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I have no comments, except that, this being so, I am now free to mutter
"doesn't know gism about x" without giving offense. Rolls trippingly off
the tongue!
clo

On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Betty wrote:

> At 08:41 PM 3/4/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> >
> > > > It is thought by many that "jazz" applied to music came from its meaning
> > > > re sex.  I don't know about "jizz."  Don't know the word at all.
> > > >
> > >  <blink> Don't know "gism"?
> >
> >I know "gism" as a bound morpheme but not as a free morpheme.
>
> I'm all for free morphemes.
>

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>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>So how is that a cul-de-sac?  It sounds like a circle to me.  Or do you
>mean there's a turnaround place at the end?  That's another thing that
>makes me more inclined to use "cul-de-sac" instead of "dead-end" -- a
>dead-end street just stops, whereas a cul-de-sac stops with a sort of
>circle in front of the last house on the street, making it easy to turn
>around and retreat.

Which is pretty much exactly what I said when the question was first asked
by Tony.

Marie

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At 09:56 AM 3/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 9:46:36 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > At 10:47 PM 3/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >>Tuesday, March 4, 2003, 10:48:24 PM, Janet Hardy wrote:
> >>
> >> >>  > There are no service plazas.    You really haven't traveled
> much, have
> >> >>>  you?   You don't have to "hunt" for a service station.   They
> have signs
> >> >>>  that go high up in the air so that you can see them from the
> >> >>>  interstate.  But you do have to exit to get to them.
> >> >>
> >> >>No, I haven't travelled much. I haven't been to Europe.
> >>
> >> > A WLM yesterday: someone told me that only 18% of Americans have
> >> > passports. (Don't know if it's true or not.)
> >>
> >>I have one, but it's no longer valid, which makes me feel
> >><weird>.
>
> > You better fix that.  No telling when you have to get out of the
> country FAST.
>
>Send me the money and I will.:)

Do you think you may have to?  The creditors coming after you?

Betty

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Bookrat wrote:

>   Alas, I have not read it, but I'm under the
> impression that the jazz=sex etymology is problematic.  (Just to clarify,
> "jazz" definitely became, in one of its senses, a euphemism for sex.  But
> that doesn't mean that "jazz" originated from a term for sex.)

Yes.  I know this topic has been debated by etymologists, and I don't
know that there's been any conclusion reached.

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Marie:
> :-)  They are serving Cajun cooking in our cafeteria today.

Cajun Mardi Gras is a lot different from
<the way it's done> here in New Orleans.

--
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Janet Hardy wrote:

> >>  Fashionable.  Trendy.
> >
> >How is this manifested?
>
> Magazine features, menus in trendy restaurants.

Even restaurant names.  There's a <trendy> Hong Kong restaurant named
"Two Sardines."

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Janet Hardy wrote:

> Slang for "jism."

Don't know that word either.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I have one, but it's no longer valid, which makes me feel
> <weird>.

I once let one expire but swore never again after having the rush and
panic of getting a new one on time when a trip came up all of a sudden.
So now I always renew before the old one expires.  That's not a big
problem now that they last ten years, of course.  The one I got last
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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 11:23:56 AM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Didn't this start out as "GR"? I was assuming that it referred to
> "Gravity's Rainbow". clo

With Pynchon, you can never be sure...

Karen
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steph wrote:
>
> Karen Kay:
> = Tuesday, March 4, 2003, 7:51:04 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> =
> = >>Sardines are said to be <in> now.
> =
> = > sez who?
> =
> = In in Europe.
> =
>
> Really!  Where?

France was specifically mentioned in Newsweek, I think.

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>From: alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET>
>I'm sure that many women still wear them. I have heard that men find
>them sexy, but I don't know that from personal experience, of course.
>They are black, btw. The garter
>belt that went with them was black lace with a pink ribbon intertwined
>through it. I don't know what became of that.

You can send them to me!

14 Puckey Drive
Cortlandt Manor, NY 10567

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At 10:04 PM 3/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>These are my new favorite dogs:
>http://www.hometown.aol.com/szizlin3/HomePage.html
>
>This breeder has puppies right now, but it won't be practical for us to
>adopt a puppy until the end of the summer. But I am sooooo tempted. Look how
>sweet!
>
>Marie
>   lounge_ascher@hotmail.com

The pups are adorable! And the adults and very sleek. They look like red
weimaraners.

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>> I live in a cul-de-sac.  It is not a dead end.
>> If you drive into it you continue around a
>> circle and drive out of it.

To complicate matters, some speakers use "dead-end" when they mean that
one street ends and one must turn either right or left onto another
street. Very confusing.

Bethany

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > I live in a cul-de-sac.  It is not a dead end.
> > If you drive into it you continue around a
> > circle and drive out of it.
>
> So how is that a cul-de-sac?  It sounds like a circle to me.  Or do
you
> mean there's a turnaround place at the end?  That's another thing that
> makes me more inclined to use "cul-de-sac" instead of "dead-end" -- a
> dead-end street just stops, whereas a cul-de-sac stops with a sort of
> circle in front of the last house on the street, making it easy to
turn
> around and retreat.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Yes.  I've just said it's a circle.  A cul-de-sac is a
blind alley.  If you are driving north on our street
you eventually drive into our circle and suddenly
you cannot continue north but find yourself
going around the circle and now you're driving
south.

           - D. M.

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>From: "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
>I've only heard that as "X St dead-ends at Y St." and not "X St is a
>dead-end street"
>>
> > >> I live in a cul-de-sac.  It is not a dead end.
> > >> If you drive into it you continue around a
> > >> circle and drive out of it.
> >
> > To complicate matters, some speakers use "dead-end" when they mean that
> > one street ends and one must turn either right or left onto another
> > street. Very confusing.

I've never heard it that way at all. If you can turn, it's not dead.

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At 04:28 AM 3/5/2003 +0000, rashmi wrote:
>Adam:
>
>> > Driving in New England summer is the pits. Aaargh - I remember many
>>hours
>> > of barely moving traffic in RI. I'm not looking forward to getting to
>>BH.
>
>>You should meet me here and we'll go from here in the Taurus of Toleration.
>
>You're on.

I can picture it now; Adam behind the wheel, Rashmi scanning the horizon
for gas stations...

cwv

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>
> Yes.  I've just said it's a circle.  A cul-de-sac is a
> blind alley.  If you are driving north on our street
> you eventually drive into our circle and suddenly
> you cannot continue north but find yourself
> going around the circle and now you're driving
> south.
>
>            - D. M.

To add to my own post, at the intersection before
you enter our block there is a sign that reads
"no outlet."

                                  - D. M.

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 2:11:54 AM, steph wrote:

> Karen Kay:
> = Tuesday, March 4, 2003, 7:51:04 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> =
= >>>Sardines are said to be <in> now.
> =
= >> sez who?
> =
> = In in Europe.
> =

> Really!  Where?

Paris, according to the article Natalie provided the URL for.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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At 09:38 AM 3/5/2003 -0500, bonnie wrote:
>>To add to my own post, at the intersection before
>>you enter our block there is a sign that reads
>>"no outlet."                              - D. M.
>
>There is a residential street in Bar Harbor that says "No Through
>Street".  But it's a lie.  They just don't want the tourists driving down it.

There is also one like that in Seal Harbor---which is even more confusing,
because that street is the winter route to the Jordan Pond area.

cwv

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At 10:47 PM 3/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Tuesday, March 4, 2003, 10:48:24 PM, Janet Hardy wrote:
>
> >>  > There are no service plazas.    You really haven't traveled much, have
> >>>  you?   You don't have to "hunt" for a service station.   They have signs
> >>>  that go high up in the air so that you can see them from the
> >>>  interstate.  But you do have to exit to get to them.
> >>
> >>No, I haven't travelled much. I haven't been to Europe.
>
> > A WLM yesterday: someone told me that only 18% of Americans have
> > passports. (Don't know if it's true or not.)
>
>I have one, but it's no longer valid, which makes me feel
><weird>.

You better fix that.  No telling when you have to get out of the country FAST.

Betty

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At 08:51 PM 3/4/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>>Tuesday, March 4, 2003, 7:12:29 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>>>  Karen Kay wrote:
>>>>  > Sardines are said to be <in> now.  I bet you food-followers already
>>>> knew
>>>>  > that.
>>>>
>>>>  What does <in> mean, wrt food?
>>
>>>  Fashionable.  Trendy.
>>
>>How is this manifested?
>
>Magazine features, menus in trendy restaurants.

Speaking of trendy, have you seen the new skirts in Japan?

Betty

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Can she go get your phosphorus?

At 12:47 PM 3/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>This is from a bookseller friend and neighbor.
>----------------------
>OK Alyce, I am telling you as the official gamekeeper-I downloaded the
>deluxe version over the weekend-nice because it did not crash out on me
>mid-game the way the original version does. My current personal best
>after
>two games on the deluxe version:
>4,012,680
>after which I crashed and burned. Bummer-I wanted to peg it out at
>9,999,999
>to see if it re-zeroes like an odometer!
>did I get any books catalogued? well, in between.....
>
>susan

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>Janet Hardy wrote:
>
>  > Slang for "jism."
>
>Don't know that word either.

RTFD.

Janet

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First and most importantly, what can you expect if you tell a
security guard that he makes poor analogies? Those are
fighting words if I ever heard 'em - whatever they mean!
clo

ps-
hmmm hmmm,
John, you still want to ask me if I expect to be taken seriously
about the possibility of arrest or worse, if certain mindsets play
out to their logical conclusions?



Karen Kay wrote:

> Lawyer Arrested for Wearing a 'Peace' T-Shirt
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6whv
>
> Karen
> "I am, we are,
> Who can distinguish us?"
>  --Deena Metzger

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Lawyer Arrested for Wearing a 'Peace' T-Shirt

    No, he was arrested for *trespass*.  That's quite another matter.

JMW

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:00:39 AM, John Williams wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Lawyer Arrested for Wearing a 'Peace' T-Shirt

>     No, he was arrested for *trespass*.  That's quite another matter.

No, it's the same matter. But I'm not sure why the charge was
trespass. Do you understand why?

Karen
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cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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That's exactly why things can get so bad so fast. He was asked
to leave for displaying "give peace a chance", and charged
with trespass after refusing. It's quite the same matter.
clo

John Williams wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Lawyer Arrested for Wearing a 'Peace' T-Shirt
>
>     No, he was arrested for *trespass*.  That's quite another matter.
>
> JMW

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>Murph:
> > I *think* Richard is pointing out the difference between Martin's
> > humor and Kingston's. I could be all wrong, though. I mean, I

>Give the pretty lady a kewpie doll!

>('cepfer it's KingsLEY)

Is Lucky Jim any good? I keep meaning to but haven't got around
to reading it.

> > Hey Richard, how's the iguana?

>Oh, I lost Earl several years ago.  I except to
>get over it one of these decades, though.

I'm so sorry. I had no idea.

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:00:52 AM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> First and most importantly, what can you expect if you tell a
> security guard that he makes poor analogies? Those are
> fighting words if I ever heard 'em - whatever they mean!

Especially when you're wrong.:)

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 12:13:42 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> internet home delivery. try amazon.com

They do drugs now?! What aren't they into???

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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>Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:36:53 AM, C.Q. Featherstonehaugh wrote:

> > -rashmi:
> >> weekly executions?" - Martin Amis

> > It's always seemed to me that Martin must have
> > inherited his sense of humor from Mom.

>Your mom or his?

I *think* Richard is pointing out the difference between Martin's
humor and Kingston's. I could be all wrong, though. I mean, I
LOL'd at the comparison.

Hey Richard, how's the iguana?

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I got it--the trespass is because he was asked to leave.

Karen
Not quite hitting on all cylinders yet this morning

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=
= Speaking of trendy, have you seen the new skirts in Japan?
=
= Betty

The one with the silkscreened undies?  Those are cute.  They
probably look less real in reality than they do in the pictures.
There was a woman at the concert the other night wearing a skin
tight off white skirt with a black thong for underwear.  that was
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On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> They are made to look as if they are transparent.

I would kick them out of my mall!

However, some fun could be had with this.  Like, you could have a horse's
ass - or elephant, or one of those fancy-assed monkeys, yes, THAT'S it, a
monkey's ass.

Ann

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Lawyer Arrested for Wearing a 'Peace' T-Shirt

http://tinyurl.com/6whv

Karen
"I am, we are,
Who can distinguish us?"
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At 09:57 AM 3/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 9:47:34 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
> > Speaking of trendy, have you seen the new skirts in Japan?
>
>I have photos, if you want them.

I guess that means you have seen them, too?

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> At 09:57 AM 3/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 9:47:34 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
> > > Speaking of trendy, have you seen the new skirts in Japan?
> >
> >I have photos, if you want them.
>
> I guess that means you have seen them, too?

Well . . can we have a word of description?

                 - D. M.

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Yes. I understand why. Malls are not actually public spaces,
although they function that way most of the time. One of the
advantages of enclosing the "public" space within the mall is
that you maintain the right to choose who can be there, any
time you feel the need, same as restaurants and bars reserving
the right to refuse service. The guard revoked the lawyer's
permission to be in the mall, and the lawyer tried to talk
him/her out of it. The guard chose to push the issue by
turning it into an arrest.

The trespass thing is  usually enforced against teens who
look like they might be from the wrong side of the tracks; but
presumably this security guard didn't think that guys wearing
peace t-shirts might be high-powered lawyers. Of course,
the company will back the employee and maintain that the
lawyer was combative, causing a disturbance, etc, right up
until they settle quietly with the lawyer and hope the whole
thing blows over. If I were the guard, though, I'd be looking
for a new job, because this may be an expensive decision.

clo

Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:00:39 AM, John Williams wrote:
>
> > Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >> Lawyer Arrested for Wearing a 'Peace' T-Shirt
>
> >     No, he was arrested for *trespass*.  That's quite another matter.
>
> No, it's the same matter. But I'm not sure why the charge was
> trespass. Do you understand why?
>
> Karen
> "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
> cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>  --Shinzen Young

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:14:05 AM, Betty Clark wrote:

> At 09:56 AM 3/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 9:46:36 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
>>
>> > At 10:47 PM 3/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>> >>Tuesday, March 4, 2003, 10:48:24 PM, Janet Hardy wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>  > There are no service plazas.    You really haven't traveled
>> much, have
>> >> >>>  you?   You don't have to "hunt" for a service station.   They
>> have signs
>> >> >>>  that go high up in the air so that you can see them from the
>> >> >>>  interstate.  But you do have to exit to get to them.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>No, I haven't travelled much. I haven't been to Europe.
>> >>
>> >> > A WLM yesterday: someone told me that only 18% of Americans have
>> >> > passports. (Don't know if it's true or not.)
>> >>
>> >>I have one, but it's no longer valid, which makes me feel
>> >><weird>.
>>
>> > You better fix that.  No telling when you have to get out of the
>> country FAST.
>>
>>Send me the money and I will.:)

> Do you think you may have to?  The creditors coming after you?

Not yet. I'm living off my retirement money for the moment.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:15:14 AM, Betty Clark wrote:

> At 09:57 AM 3/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 9:47:34 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
>> > Speaking of trendy, have you seen the new skirts in Japan?
>>
>>I have photos, if you want them.

> I guess that means you have seen them, too?

Oh, yeah.

Karen
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cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:29:18 AM, Doris Markland wrote:

>> At 09:57 AM 3/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>> >Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 9:47:34 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
>> > > Speaking of trendy, have you seen the new skirts in Japan?
>> >
>> >I have photos, if you want them.
>>
>> I guess that means you have seen them, too?

> Well . . can we have a word of description?

They are made to look as if they are transparent.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> thing blows over. If I were the guard, though, I'd be looking
> for a new job, because this may be an expensive decision.

Hey, guards have lawyers too!

Ann

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-rashmi:
> weekly executions?" - Martin Amis

It's always seemed to me that Martin must have
inherited his sense of humor from Mom.

--
Richard                give it up, y'all

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:33:33 AM, Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> They are made to look as if they are transparent.

> I would kick them out of my mall!

> However, some fun could be had with this.  Like, you could have a horse's
> ass - or elephant, or one of those fancy-assed monkeys, yes, THAT'S it, a
> monkey's ass.

A *red* monkey's ass.

No, I don't think those would work.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:36:53 AM, C.Q. Featherstonehaugh wrote:

> -rashmi:
>> weekly executions?" - Martin Amis

> It's always seemed to me that Martin must have
> inherited his sense of humor from Mom.

Your mom or his?

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Natalie Maynor:
= Janet Hardy wrote:
=
= > Slang for "jism."
=
= Don't know that word either.
=

MUTANT!

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I just ran into my Pynchon friend and asked what advice he had
for somebody re GT.  He said there used to be at least one and
maybe two good Reader's Guide type books on GT -- to check Amazon.
He said the one he remembers best of them is very helpful.  He
said if neither of those books is still available, to try to find
a good book of Pynchon criticism with a section on GT -- that you
really do need some help when leaping into GT.
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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Natalie:
> maybe two good Reader's Guide type books on GT

I tried that, and found the reader's guide more
impenetrable than the dam' book.

Perhaps our victim should just be thankful the
assignment's not worse, say an atrocity like
Finnegan's Wake or something.

--
Richard                give it up, y'all

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 11:16:06 AM, C.Q. Featherstonehaugh wrote:
> Natalie:
>> maybe two good Reader's Guide type books on GT

> I tried that, and found the reader's guide more
> impenetrable than the dam' book.

What is GT?

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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Didn't this start out as "GR"? I was assuming that it referred to
"Gravity's Rainbow". clo

Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 11:16:06 AM, C.Q. Featherstonehaugh wrote:
> > Natalie:
> >> maybe two good Reader's Guide type books on GT
>
> > I tried that, and found the reader's guide more
> > impenetrable than the dam' book.
>
> What is GT?
>
> Karen
> "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
> cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>  --Shinzen Young

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Are you glowing yet, Alyce?

I have no one to go get the Phosphorus and I am in no condition to do so
myself. Maybe tomorrow.

alyce

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Murph:
> I *think* Richard is pointing out the difference between Martin's
> humor and Kingston's. I could be all wrong, though. I mean, I

Give the pretty lady a kewpie doll!

('cepfer it's KingsLEY)

> Hey Richard, how's the iguana?

Oh, I lost Earl several years ago.  I except to
get over it one of these decades, though.

--
Richard                give it up, y'all

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This is from a bookseller friend and neighbor.
----------------------
OK Alyce, I am telling you as the official gamekeeper-I downloaded the
deluxe version over the weekend-nice because it did not crash out on me
mid-game the way the original version does. My current personal best
after
two games on the deluxe version:
4,012,680
after which I crashed and burned. Bummer-I wanted to peg it out at
9,999,999
to see if it re-zeroes like an odometer!
did I get any books catalogued? well, in between.....

susan

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 11:36:12 AM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>>Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:36:53 AM, C.Q. Featherstonehaugh wrote:

>> > -rashmi:
>> >> weekly executions?" - Martin Amis

>> > It's always seemed to me that Martin must have
>> > inherited his sense of humor from Mom.

>>Your mom or his?

> I *think* Richard is pointing out the difference between Martin's
> humor and Kingston's. I could be all wrong, though. I mean, I
> LOL'd at the comparison.

Kingsley. I forgot they were related.

> Hey Richard, how's the iguana?

> -rashmi


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Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Karen:

> >to tape-record a good portion of silence, so that if you have much
> noise
> > around you may just put on the tape and enjoy silence.
>
> I think you may have mentioned that here before. It doesn't make
> sense to me, though--silence comes from within, not without.

Natalie:

> >is first encountered recording silence.
>
> The problem with playing taped silence to cover up noise is that I'm
> not
> quite sure silence can cover up noise.

Amazzzing! I hoped I was not to explain why I liked the idea. I hoped, if
an explanation was needed someone would've given it in a funny way. Now
there are at least two people who evidently think there is a problem how
one could enjoy recorded silence and have given the feeling as if the
problem was to be discussed. Ammaazzing. Don't rack your brains, that
would break the silence, indeed :-)

Kristin

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> This is from a bookseller friend and neighbor.
> ----------------------
> OK Alyce, I am telling you as the official gamekeeper-I downloaded the
> deluxe version over the weekend-nice because it did not crash out on
me
> mid-game the way the original version does. My current personal best
> after
> two games on the deluxe version:
> 4,012,680


Gulp.

  - D. M.

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>
> Oh, Rashmi, you forgot?  Earl passed away.
>
> Betty

The reminder brings back a vivid mental
picture of the details of his demise.

            - D. M.

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internet home delivery. try amazon.com
clo

alyce cresap wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > Are you glowing yet, Alyce?
>
> I have no one to go get the Phosphorus and I am in no condition to do so
> myself. Maybe tomorrow.
>
> alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Was the phallus as nice as this one?
> http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/phallic.jpg

With whom are you standing there, Natalie?

Kristin

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Well, that's one of the things that makes morphology such a fun
little trip. Just as folk etymology can reverse time to make a
derived meaning into an antecedent, folk morphology can take
words like "syllogism" and "neologism", split the roots, and come
up with fun affixes like "gism". It didn't seem worth mentioning
initally; but then, I didn't know y'all very well yet. From now on
I will be very grumpy abt details like that, so as to fit in better!
clo

Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:42:11 AM, steph wrote:
>
> > Natalie Maynor:
> > = Janet Hardy wrote:
> > =
> = >> Slang for "jism."
> > =
> > = Don't know that word either.
> > =
>
> > MUTANT!
>
> What I want to know is where gism occurs as a bound morpheme.
>
> Karen
> "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
> cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>  --Shinzen Young

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Austin still best place to live.
http://money.cnn.com/best/bplive/

Did someone say they grew up in Highland Park, IL? That's a "big-money"
town.
--
alyce

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forwarded with permission:

There's a book called something like A READER'S
COMPANION TO GRAVITY'S RAINBOW that is indispensable.
Without it, even the most erudite of readers is likely
to get lost...not FINNEGAN'S WAKE bad, but then
Pynchon uses a lot more scientific jargon and concepts
than Joyce.

Not a book for the faint of heart.  Best overall
advice: the pace and structure of the book are like
the flight of the rocket - slow at first (launch) with
lots of shaking and extraneous vibration, gradually
picking up speed, smoothing out in flight, reaching an
apogee, then increasing in speed up to a point of
annihilation/impact.  It's a party.

         - Paul

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Also check out http://www.hyperarts.com/pynchon/gravity/

alec

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>forwarded with permission:
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>There's a book called something like A READER'S
>COMPANION TO GRAVITY'S RAINBOW that is indispensable.
>Without it, even the most erudite of readers is likely
>to get lost...not FINNEGAN'S WAKE bad, but then
>Pynchon uses a lot more scientific jargon and concepts
>than Joyce.
>
>Not a book for the faint of heart.  Best overall
>advice: the pace and structure of the book are like
>the flight of the rocket - slow at first (launch) with
>lots of shaking and extraneous vibration, gradually
>picking up speed, smoothing out in flight, reaching an
>apogee, then increasing in speed up to a point of
>annihilation/impact.  It's a party.
>
>         - Paul
>

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> Can she go get your phosphorus?

Not that close of a neighbor--about 40 miles off, as the crow flies. The
drug store just called. ALthough a prescription, my insurance won't pay
for supplements. One month's supply is $37.29. Also, the drug store did
not have it in stock until just now. They had to order it in, which
indicates that a shortage of phosphorus is probably not common.

alyce

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alyce cresap wrote:
>  a shortage of phosphorus is probably not common.


Except that a shortage of phosphorus at the drug store is common,
obviously.

alyce

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> <splutter> if they didn't do drugs, how could they ever have
> dreamed up a thing like amazon.com?

In any case, I'd have to mail the prescription to amazon first? And I
don't even have one to mail. They just call it in to the drug store.
Amazon's not too practical.

alyce


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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > sense to me, though--silence comes from within, not without.
>
> The glorious silence when I go to bed in this house is from without, as
> was the noise at my previous house.

Hmm. Now I guess I might have misunderstood Karen's remark. So my recent
answer to Natalie's and Karen's remarks may make no sense.

Kr.

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>Austin still best place to live.
>http://money.cnn.com/best/bplive/
>
>Did someone say they grew up in Highland Park, IL? That's a "big-money"
>town.

My mother did. She and her family were pretty much the only Jews
there at that time. But it was a big-money town even then.

Janet

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>  >Murph:
>>  > I *think* Richard is pointing out the difference between Martin's
>>  > humor and Kingston's. I could be all wrong, though. I mean, I
>
>>Give the pretty lady a kewpie doll!
>
>>('cepfer it's KingsLEY)
>
>Is Lucky Jim any good? I keep meaning to but haven't got around
>to reading it.

Delightful, IMO. The most likable unlikable protagonist ever.

Janet

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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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Trying to get my life to work a little more smoothly, and part of
that is spending less time online. I'll come back when things seem a
bit more under control. Write me privately if you need to talk to me.

Janet

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> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Was the phallus as nice as this one?
> > http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/phallic.jpg
>
> With whom are you standing there, Natalie?
>
> Kristin

The Jolly Green Giant?

         - D. M.

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Janet Hardy wrote:
>
> Trying to get my life to work a little more smoothly, and part of
> that is spending less time online. I'll come back when things seem a
> bit more under control. Write me privately if you need to talk to me.

Hope you get lots done. Hurry back.

alyce

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> Is Lucky Jim any good?

It's outstanding.  Though, keep in mind I am
a very biased Amisphile.

> I'm so sorry. I had no idea.

That's O.K.  It's nice to be reminded of him
once in a while.

--
Richard                give it up, y'all

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At 04:28 AM 3/5/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Adam:
>
>> > Driving in New England summer is the pits. Aaargh - I remember many
>>hours
>> > of barely moving traffic in RI. I'm not looking forward to getting to
>>BH.
>
>>You should meet me here and we'll go from here in the Taurus of Toleration.
>
>You're on.
>
>-rashmi

I'd offer too but I'm not sure the experience would be the same as in the
Taurus of Toleration. Riding in the Passat of Passive Aggressiveness might
be more stress than you're up for.

Maybe we'll see each other on the highway though.. I'll be the one speeding
up so you can't get in front of me as you attempt to exit the highway for
gas. ;-)

lisa

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 12:23:13 PM, steph wrote:

> Karen Kay:
> = Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:42:11 AM, steph wrote:
> =
= >> Natalie Maynor:
= >> = Janet Hardy wrote:
= >> =
= = >>> Slang for "jism."
= >> =
= >> = Don't know that word either.
= >> =
> =
= >> MUTANT!
> =
> = What I want to know is where gism occurs as a bound morpheme.
> =

> What I want to know is what a bound morpheme is.

A unit of meaning that doesn't occur on it's own. Like the
morpheme that means 'possessing the quality of', -ness.

The Japanese equivalent, interestingly enough, isn't bound.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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I hope your smoothing goes smoothly.

hugs

Paul





> Trying to get my life to work a little more smoothly, and part of
> that is spending less time online. I'll come back when things seem a
> bit more under control. Write me privately if you need to talk to me.
>
> Janet

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 12:34:27 PM, Janet Hardy wrote:
> Trying to get my life to work a little more smoothly, and part of
> that is spending less time online. I'll come back when things seem a
> bit more under control. Write me privately if you need to talk to me.

A*gain*?! You just got back and now you're leaving again.

<pout>

Karen

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 12:21:40 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> <splutter> if they didn't do drugs, how could they ever have
> dreamed up a thing like amazon.com?

Uh, coffee? Or is coffee a drug? I forget.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
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 --Shinzen Young

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My sister is getting ready to come to nurse me. No date set--will depend
on biopsy, etc. That will be a good thing. She is a real manager and
organizer and will see that I eat and glow.
--
alyce

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 12:18:36 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Austin still best place to live.
> http://money.cnn.com/best/bplive/

I knew that.:)

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Have some and you'll remember.

BrP




>
> Uh, coffee? Or is coffee a drug? I forget.
>
> Karen
> "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
> cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>  --Shinzen Young

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 1:00:34 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
[about the possibility of coffee being a drug]
> Have some and you'll remember.

It was thinking that I needed some more that made me think it was
a drug. But also, see below. Part of coffee's drug effects is in
the smell. I can't remember what this is called--pheremones are
from animals, but there's got to be a word for the smells that
plants give off.

And now I need to go make coffee.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 12:18:36 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> > Austin still best place to live.
> > http://money.cnn.com/best/bplive/
>
> I knew that.:)
>
> Karen


I think it's interesting that the top 10 cities fall neatly into alpha order - except for
Phoenix.


BrP

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02003-03-04 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 06:55 PM 3/4/2003 -0600, tushar wrote:
>
> >Certainly I believe in Fowler but that's beside the point. Thanks for
> >the correct answer, Rita.
>
> So, Tushar, how many credentials have you?

I am studded with all kinds of degrees from several Indian "institutes".
What do YOU have? A freakin Ph D ... I laugh!

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See, that's what I get for not following the link.  I searched
around for a while and couldn't find anything for sale, but then
when I followed the link it went right on to a spot where I could
search and find out that a house on my old block sold for $429K,
while across the street (where the houses back onto my block) one
went for $518K two years ago.

When my parents bought it in 1969, it was for $30K, and they sold
it for $60K in 1976.

Now, is that keeping up with inflation or not...

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 1:06:15 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> At 12:56 PM 3/5/2003 -0600, karen wrote:

>> > What I want to know is what a bound morpheme is.
>>
>>A unit of meaning that doesn't occur on [[[ it's ]]] own. Like the
>>morpheme that means 'possessing the quality of', -ness.

> tsk, tsk---an unbound GA.

Poop.

Well, as Natalie said. It happens in e-mail.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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02003-03-05 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> Hmm. Now I guess I might have misunderstood Karen's remark. So my recent
> answer to Natalie's and Karen's remarks may make no sense.

A very good example of blaming the victim!

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 1:04:23 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
 >> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 12:18:36 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
>> > Austin still best place to live.
>> > http://money.cnn.com/best/bplive/
>>
>> I knew that.:)
>>
>> Karen


> I think it's interesting that the top 10 cities fall neatly into alpha order - except for
> Phoenix.

How can you tell how they are ranked?

Anyway, where I live is not listed as one of the best places.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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02003-03-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> They are made to look as if they are transparent.

For everything you ever wanted to know ... http://www.klez.i-jerks.com/jfc/

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02003-03-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> What I want to know is where gism occurs as a bound morpheme.

In syllogism, of course--the funniest word in logic ...

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Karen Kay wrote:

> What I want to know is where gism occurs as a bound morpheme.

aurogism, gismade, frelgism, etc.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > > I live in a cul-de-sac.  It is not a dead end.
> > > If you drive into it you continue around a
> > > circle and drive out of it.
> >
> > So how is that a cul-de-sac?  It sounds like a circle to me.  Or do
> you
> > mean there's a turnaround place at the end?  That's another thing that
> > makes me more inclined to use "cul-de-sac" instead of "dead-end" -- a
> > dead-end street just stops, whereas a cul-de-sac stops with a sort of
> > circle in front of the last house on the street, making it easy to
> turn
> > around and retreat.
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Yes.  I've just said it's a circle.  A cul-de-sac is a
> blind alley.  If you are driving north on our street
> you eventually drive into our circle and suddenly
> you cannot continue north but find yourself
> going around the circle and now you're driving
> south.

What do you mean by a "blind alley"?  I'm getting confused.  Does your
circle have the same entrance/exit -- iow, you end up exactly where you
began?  That might make a difference, though I still wouldn't call it a
cul-de-sac unless you had to turn around at the end and head back the
way you came.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-05 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> > Hmm. Now I guess I might have misunderstood Karen's remark. So my recent
> > answer to Natalie's and Karen's remarks may make no sense.
>
> A very good example of blaming the victim!

...staring and staring at you statement, unable to make it out: who's the
victim?... :-(

Kristin, sad for her poor mind

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02003-03-05 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Austin still best place to live.
> http://money.cnn.com/best/bplive/

Read <http://money.cnn.com/2002/11/08/pf/yourhome/bplive_chicago/>.
It's sickening ...

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 1:24:16 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> What I want to know is where gism occurs as a bound morpheme.

> In syllogism, of course--the funniest word in logic ...

That's the first one that came to mind. But it's not a bound
morpheme there.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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>  >> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 12:18:36 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> >> > Austin still best place to live.
> >> > http://money.cnn.com/best/bplive/
> >>
> >> I knew that.:)
> >>
> >> Karen
>
>
> > I think it's interesting that the top 10 cities fall neatly into alpha order - except for
> > Phoenix.
>
> How can you tell how they are ranked?


That was the point.


>
> Anyway, where I live is not listed as one of the best places.
>
> Karen
> "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
> cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>  --Shinzen Young

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02003-03-05 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> >  >> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 12:18:36 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> > >> > Austin still best place to live.
> > >> > http://money.cnn.com/best/bplive/
> > >>
> > >> I knew that.:)
> > >>
> > >> Karen
> >
> >
> > > I think it's interesting that the top 10 cities fall neatly into alpha order - except for
> > > Phoenix.
> >
> > How can you tell how they are ranked?
>
>
> That was the point.

You are EVIL!
> >
> > Anyway, where I live is not listed as one of the best places.
> >
> > Karen
> > "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
> > cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
> >  --Shinzen Young

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 1:34:39 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>>  >> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 12:18:36 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
>> >> > Austin still best place to live.
>> >> > http://money.cnn.com/best/bplive/
>> >>
>> >> I knew that.:)
>> >>
>> >> Karen
>>
>>
>> > I think it's interesting that the top 10 cities fall neatly into alpha order - except for
>> > Phoenix.
>>
>> How can you tell how they are ranked?


> That was the point.

Oh.

I really do need more coffee.

Yesterday was absolutely spring-like. It smelled like spring, it
looked like spring, I mowed the lawn, everyone was smiling...

And today, the high is 39. And it's wet. Brrrrrrrrrrr!

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 1:36:19 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-05 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
>> That was the point.

> You are EVIL!

He is--and I love him for it.:)

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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> Yesterday was absolutely spring-like. It smelled like spring, it
> looked like spring, I mowed the lawn, everyone was smiling...
>
> And today, the high is 39. And it's wet. Brrrrrrrrrrr!
>
> Karen


Aha.  Now I understand the difference between Syracuse and Austin.  The day
before yesterday the high was 10 and it was snowing. Brrrrrrrrr!

And yesterday was absolutely spring-like. It smelled like spring, it
looked like spring, everyone was smiling...  The high was 39.


BrP

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > > A very good example of blaming the victim!
> >
> > ...staring and staring at you statement, unable to make it out: who's the
> > victim?... :-(
>
> You.

At least this was one of the variants I thought of.

Glad for my not hopelessly poor mind, and for going home now, leaving 805 messages
unread, going to have potato-and-codfish salad and a homemade cake which may or
may not turn out to be a shame (depends how the jelly has behaved during the hours
I was out) -- my little fair lady was 17 today.

Kristin

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02003-03-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 1:50:04 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Whereof one can't recall thereof one must reason.
>
> Have you been reading that fellow BB again?
>
> > What the hell does "Here! Here!" mean? Nothing. What does
> > "Hear! Hear!" mean? It means "oh SNAP!", or "that was well
> > testified", or "that was worthy of our hearing repeatedly".
>
> "Oh SNAP!" means "that was worthy of our hearing repeatedly"?

No.

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02003-03-05 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > > A very good example of blaming the victim!
> > >
> > > ...staring and staring at you statement, unable to make it out: who's the
> > > victim?... :-(
> >
> > You.
>
> At least this was one of the variants I thought of.
>
> Glad for my not hopelessly poor mind, and for going home now, leaving 805 messages
> unread, going to have potato-and-codfish salad and a homemade cake which may or
> may not turn out to be a shame (depends how the jelly has behaved during the hours
> I was out) -- my little fair lady was 17 today.

Have good one ... man I could go for a potato and codfish salad right now

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02003-03-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 1:36:19 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-05 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> >> That was the point.
>
> > You are EVIL!
>
> He is--and I love him for it.:)

YaY!

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Janet Hardy wrote:

> >Don't know that word either.
>
> RTFD.

I do sometimes.  It can be interesting.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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I vote for "Hear here"

BrP



> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 12:55:21 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> > A coworker just responded to an email I sent with, "HERE! HERE!".
>
> Alyce is going to hate me, but I'm so CONFUSED I don't remember
> which is the right one.
>
> Karen
> "I am, we are,
> Who can distinguish us?"
>  --Deena Metzger

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 1:43:45 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> Aha.  Now I understand the difference between Syracuse and Austin.  The day
> before yesterday the high was 10 and it was snowing. Brrrrrrrrr!

> And yesterday was absolutely spring-like. It smelled like spring, it
> looked like spring, everyone was smiling...  The high was 39.

I hate these 30+ degree swings. They suck no matter what the
temps are.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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02003-03-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 12:55:21 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> > A coworker just responded to an email I sent with, "HERE! HERE!".
>
> Alyce is going to hate me, but I'm so CONFUSED I don't remember
> which is the right one.

Whereof one can't recall thereof one must reason. What the hell
does "Here! Here!" mean? Nothing. What does "Hear! Hear!" mean?
It means "oh SNAP!", or "that was well testified", or "that was
worthy of our hearing repeatedly".

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 1:46:47 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> I vote for "Hear here"

YOU *ARE* EVIL!!!!!! Gack.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Have good one ... man I could go for a potato and codfish salad right now

We will, thanks. Ours is excellent. I started it and Imbi finished it (i.e. *making* it)
and I do not remember I've ever spoiled a potato salad, only cakes.

Kristin

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What a relief. Kevin and Riley are going to Bard College to work out in
the gym tonight and will pick it up on the way home. At last. $37.29.
--
alyce

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Yay

BrP




> What a relief. Kevin and Riley are going to Bard College to work out in
> the gym tonight and will pick it up on the way home. At last. $37.29.
> --
> alyce

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Hear! Hear!
Hear what that boring man in the wig is trying to con us into!

Here! Here!
I ordered that pitcher of beer - don't give it to the idiots at
that table!

clo

Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 12:55:21 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> > > A coworker just responded to an email I sent with, "HERE! HERE!".
> >
> > Alyce is going to hate me, but I'm so CONFUSED I don't remember
> > which is the right one.
>
> Whereof one can't recall thereof one must reason. What the hell
> does "Here! Here!" mean? Nothing. What does "Hear! Hear!" mean?
> It means "oh SNAP!", or "that was well testified", or "that was
> worthy of our hearing repeatedly".

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On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Where's the love?
>
Hear.

Ann

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>
> Glad for my not hopelessly poor mind, and for going home now, leaving
805 messages
> unread, going to have potato-and-codfish salad and a homemade cake
which may or
> may not turn out to be a shame (depends how the jelly has behaved
during the hours
> I was out) -- my little fair lady was 17 today.
>
> Kristin

Congratulations to both of you.
A beautiful age.

       - D. M.

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At 08:31 AM 3/5/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > thing blows over. If I were the guard, though, I'd be looking
> > for a new job, because this may be an expensive decision.
>
>Hey, guards have lawyers too!
>
>Ann

Not good ones. Not on their salaries.

lisa

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At 12:56 PM 3/5/2003 -0600, karen wrote:

> > What I want to know is what a bound morpheme is.
>
>A unit of meaning that doesn't occur on [[[ it's ]]] own. Like the
>morpheme that means 'possessing the quality of', -ness.

tsk, tsk---an unbound GA.

cwv

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> What a relief. Kevin and Riley are going to Bard College to work out
in
> the gym tonight and will pick it up on the way home. At last. $37.29.
> --
> alyce

Kevin and Riley sounds like:

1.  The name of an investment company
2.  The name of two pundits who talk about
     investments on TV
3.  The name of a comedy team
4.  The name of a  team of magicians
5.  A sports wear catalogue

                  - D. M.

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> My sister is getting ready to come to nurse me. No date set--will
depend
> on biopsy, etc. That will be a good thing. She is a real manager and
> organizer and will see that I eat and glow.
> --
> alyce

If she needs advice on how to care for
your sister and remain good friends,
you know who to call on.

            - D. M.

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 1:58:59 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> When the skunks wake up -
> that's why spring is in the air!

I have never seen a skunk in my neighborhood. My theory is that
the armadillos get them. Or the snakes. Or the scorpions. Or the
fire ants. Or the robins. I always thought robins were small
birds, but the ones around here seem to be as big as large
pigeons.

Or the hawks--I forgot the hawks. They usually hunt in the park,
though.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 2:01:51 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Hear! Hear!
> Hear what that boring man in the wig is trying to con us into!

> Here! Here!
> I ordered that pitcher of beer - don't give it to the idiots at
> that table!

:) I might almost be able to remember this!

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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This similar to carding the non-white guy with "office clothes"
who just walked in--and then finding some bullshit objection and
throwing him out. Yes, a bar is a private place but it is a sign
of unfairness to ask people to leave arbitrarily. (Yes, I know
the blog answer to this--a bar where this sort of thing is done
will not survive the competition ... horse's ass ...)

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Kevin and Riley sounds like:

I wish I could remember now the three names of the cardiology group a
former student of mine went to last semester.  One of them was Dr. Wheat
and one was Dr. White.  But there was a third that I can't remember.
They told my student that he should become a cardiologist and join their
practice since his last name is Rye.

--
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> Hear! Hear!
> Hear what that boring man in the wig is trying to con us into!

That reminds me, I saw an man interviewed on
TV a while ago.  He was a representative of the
Pope, and was explaining the Pope's views.
And he had, and I mean bar none, the worst
wig I have ever seen in my life.  If you happen
to see him on a news clip you will know
immediately which man I am talking about.

And then, shortly after that, when I was
mindlessly ironing some sheets (yes, I did
iron the wash and wear sheets!), my mind
wandered here and there and came up with
"Bad priests are weapons of <mass> destruction."

Probably someone has said this first but I had
never heard it, just thought of it, and mean no
disrespect, just have a quirky mind at times.
And it's a slow day.

           - D. M.

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steph wrote:

> What I want to know is what a bound morpheme is.

A morpheme that can't stand alone as a word -- like un in undone.

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 2:39:20 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> Now we have jokes about the
> armadillo invasion from Texas.

What kind of jokes?

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> > > To complicate matters, some speakers use "dead-end" when they mean that
> > > one street ends and one must turn either right or left onto another
> > > street. Very confusing.
>
> I've never heard it that way at all. If you can turn, it's not dead.

It's not dead adjectivally -- like it's not a dead-end street.  But you
dead-in when you hit the other street.

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John Williams wrote:
>
> >    "What if [Saddam] fails to comply and we
> >    fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third
> >    route, which gives him yet more
> >    opportunities to develop this program of
> >    weapons of mass destruction? ... Well, he
> >    will conclude that the international
> >    community has lost its will. He will then
> >    conclude that he can go right on and do
> >    more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating
> >    destruction. And some day, some way, I
> >    guarantee you he'll use the arsenal."
> >
>                                          - the 42nd POTUS

Nobody has ever claimed he wasn't hawkish re Saddam.  Or at least nobody
that I've heard.  But at least he seemed aware of "the international
community."

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At 09:38 AM 3/5/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>To add to my own post, at the intersection before
>>you enter our block there is a sign that reads
>>"no outlet."                              - D. M.
>
>There is a residential street in Bar Harbor that says "No Through
>Street".  But it's a lie.  They just don't want the tourists driving down it.
>
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>    --bonniev

They have those signs in and around Boston too. They make it a bit
interesting as some of the streets really aren't through ways.

lisa

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 2:36:20 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Nobody has ever claimed he wasn't hawkish re Saddam.  Or at least nobody
> that I've heard.  But at least he seemed aware of "the international
> community."

I finally finished listening to his speech here today. He said
some Very Smart things about North Korea, I thought. To wit, that
they don't want to end up like East Germany, wiped from the
history books.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 2:39:20 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> > Now we have jokes about the
> > armadillo invasion from Texas.
>
> What kind of jokes?

I haven't heard a specific joke, just something
like "We gotta do something about that
invasion from Texas."  May not sound funny
to you, but the thought of an armadillo on a
Nebraska road is hilarious to us.

                            - D. M.

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 3:00:34 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> I haven't heard a specific joke, just something
> like "We gotta do something about that
> invasion from Texas."  May not sound funny
> to you, but the thought of an armadillo on a
> Nebraska road is hilarious to us.

You won't be laughing when the fire ants arrive...

One of the things I read on a 'funny' list of things about Austin
is that there is really only one fire ant mound in Austin and
that it moves from place to place.

I think this is true, and not a joke. I don't think they ever
really die, because they keep coming up in the same places.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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At 02:27 PM 3/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 2:01:51 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > Hear! Hear!
> > Hear what that boring man in the wig is trying to con us into!
>
> > Here! Here!
> > I ordered that pitcher of beer - don't give it to the idiots at
> > that table!
>
>:) I might almost be able to remember this!


Hear! Hear!

Bring it here!

Betty

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> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 3:00:34 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> > I haven't heard a specific joke, just something
> > like "We gotta do something about that
> > invasion from Texas."  May not sound funny
> > to you, but the thought of an armadillo on a
> > Nebraska road is hilarious to us.
>
> You won't be laughing when the fire ants arrive...
- Karen

Boy, you can say that again.  Less road kill
but more pain!

                - D. M.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> I just ran into my Pynchon friend and asked what advice he had
> for somebody re GT.  He said there used to be at least one and
                  GR
Don't know why I wrote T.

--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> What is GT?

GraviTy

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Hey Richard, how's the iguana?

Late.  As in The Late.

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Austin still best place to live.
> http://money.cnn.com/best/bplive/
>
> Did someone say they grew up in Highland Park, IL? That's a "big-money"
> town.

Weird.  I went to that site and took the where-to-retire test, and all
the places listed were in NJ except for a few in NY -- even though I had
said that good weather was important.

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>
> > To add to my own post, at the intersection before
> > you enter our block there is a sign that reads
> > "no outlet."
>
> Ah ha.  So the inlet serves as the outlet.  But you don't have to
> backtrack -- you circle instead?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Yes.  After you go around the circle you are
back on the same street that brought you
into the circle.

                      - D. M.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> Well, that's one of the things that makes morphology such a fun
> little trip. Just as folk etymology can reverse time to make a
> derived meaning into an antecedent, folk morphology can take
> words like "syllogism" and "neologism", split the roots, and come
> up with fun affixes like "gism".

And then one can add gism to all kinds of stuff.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> dreamed up a thing like amazon.com?

Speaking of which, I'm worried about tomrorow night.  I'm invited to a
cocktail party at 6:00.  That means going later than 6:00, which makes
me worried about being home in time for "Survivor" at 7:00.  I've about
decided to stick a tape in as a backup but still plan on getting home by
7:00.  If I can get home, it will be good.  I can watch it on schedule.
If not, I can watch it at 8:00.

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What is Snowbash?
clo

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Janet Hardy wrote:
>
> forwarded with permission:
>
> There's a book called something like A READER'S
> COMPANION TO GRAVITY'S RAINBOW that is indispensable.
> Without it, even the most erudite of readers is likely
> to get lost...

Must be the book my friend recommended.  Of course one has to stop and
think that whoever wrote that companion must have managed to make it
through GR unaided -- unless Pynchon himself wrote the guide.

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Carolyn Ostrander
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>
>What is Snowbash?
>clo
>

A group party in West Springfield MA at Adam's place. 4 or 5 years now.


alec

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > A coworker just responded to an email I sent with, "HERE! HERE!".
>
> Alyce is going to hate me, but I'm so CONFUSED I don't remember
> which is the right one.

Depends on what you mean.  If you want the free wine dropped in your
yard as the wine-dropper moves along the street, you holler "HERE!
HERE!"  If you want somebody to listen to something, as in what she
said, it involved HEARing.

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 2:55:28 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> What I want to know is where gism occurs as a bound morpheme.

> aurogism, gismade, frelgism, etc.

Ah, in your dreams...

Karen
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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 3:02:15 PM, Betty Clark wrote:

> At 02:27 PM 3/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 2:01:51 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> > Hear! Hear!
>> > Hear what that boring man in the wig is trying to con us into!
>>
>> > Here! Here!
>> > I ordered that pitcher of beer - don't give it to the idiots at
>> > that table!
>>
>>:) I might almost be able to remember this!


> Hear! Hear!

> Bring it here!

DON'T CONFUSE ME, NOW, BETTY!!!

Karen
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cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 3:10:54 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> And then one can add gism to all kinds of stuff.

Shades of Secret Sauce...

Karen
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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 3:15:07 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> What is Snowbash?

The Wordsler part that Adam gives every spring.

Karen
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Ah. Thought it might be a festival like the BH 7/4 parade...
at this time of year the thought of bashing snow is quite
appealing! 140" and climbing here.
clo

"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >What is Snowbash?
> >clo
>
> A group party in West Springfield MA at Adam's place. 4 or 5 years now.
>
> alec

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 3:16:35 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

>> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 3:00:34 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>> > I haven't heard a specific joke, just something
>> > like "We gotta do something about that
>> > invasion from Texas."  May not sound funny
>> > to you, but the thought of an armadillo on a
>> > Nebraska road is hilarious to us.
>>
>> You won't be laughing when the fire ants arrive...
> - Karen

> Boy, you can say that again.  Less road kill
> but more pain!

Why less roadkill? Fire ants can kill deer--and humans.

Karen
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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> I've only heard that as "X St dead-ends at Y St." and not "X St is a dead-end street"

That's the way I've heard (and use it) also.  I would be likely to say
"X St dead-ends into Y St."

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Doris Markland wrote:

> "Bad priests are weapons of <mass> destruction."

:-)

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02003-03-05 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 03/05/2003 3:52:43 AM Central Standard Time,
> stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:
>
> <<
> He doesn't do it to my face.  He just spells Stephanie
> "Stefanie".  So mostly it would be like spelling Tushar "Tusar"
> (and I could pull this trick with his name too).
>
> >>
>
> Do so.

I would recommend the opposite. Do absolutely nothing. Who cares?

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Doris Markland wrote:

> armadillo invasion from Texas.

You do know why the chicken crossed the road, don't you?  To show the
armadillo that it could be done.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 3:53:31 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> I hadn't thought of that.  I was just
> picturing a dead fire ant on the road
> as opposed to a dead armadillo.

Ha. Picture a dead fawn covered with a moving brown mass.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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        The one in Kirkwood?

alyce cresap wrote:

> My sister is getting ready to come to nurse me. No date set--will depend
> on biopsy, etc. That will be a good thing. She is a real manager and
> organizer and will see that I eat and glow.
> --
> alyce
>
>


--
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        Huh?  The East Germans are pretty happy being just Germans
again as far as I can tell.

Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 2:36:20 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>Nobody has ever claimed he wasn't hawkish re Saddam.  Or at least nobody
>>that I've heard.  But at least he seemed aware of "the international
>>community."
>>
>
> I finally finished listening to his speech here today. He said
> some Very Smart things about North Korea, I thought. To wit, that
> they don't want to end up like East Germany, wiped from the
> history books.
>
> Karen
> "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
> cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>  --Shinzen Young
>
>


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>
> Ha. Picture a dead fawn covered with a moving brown mass.
>
> Karen

Yeah, like weapons of mass destruction.

            - D. M.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         The one in Kirkwood?
>
The only one I have. Warson Woods. I think my niece lives in Kirkwood.

alyce
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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 4:01:42 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         Huh?  The East Germans are pretty happy being just Germans
> again as far as I can tell.

Maybe. I don't know. But his point was that the North Koreans
wouldn't be happy just being Koreans.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 4:06:48 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

>> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 3:53:31 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>>
>> According to The Bat!, your e-mail was created at 3:53 and sent
>> at 3:51. Someone's clock is off.
>>
>> Karen

> Midwestern.  Just a bit backwards.

I'm midwestern.

Ooh, now they are 3 minutes off!

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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In a message dated 03/05/2003 3:52:43 AM Central Standard Time,
stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:

<<
He doesn't do it to my face.  He just spells Stephanie
"Stefanie".  So mostly it would be like spelling Tushar "Tusar"
(and I could pull this trick with his name too).

>>

Do so.

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 03/05/2003 1:38:20 PM Central Standard Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
And today, the high is 39. And it's wet. Brrrrrrrrrrr!


>>

Our mailbox door is iced shut, so I'll have to wait until it thaws
out to get the mail.

Evelyn Duncan
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At 03:54 PM 3/5/2003 -0600, kare'n wrote:
>Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 3:53:31 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>
>According to The Bat!, your e-mail was created at 3:53 and sent
>at 3:51. Someone's clock is off.

Or else the midwesterners are simply Einsteinian rapid.

cwv

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Pete Seeger was here recently for an activist musician festival,
and he told a story of his mother, who said that if someone was
really annoying, you should list their worst qualities on a paper,
and then scratch out their name at the top and put your own -
implication being that what irritates us most is the faults we don't
care to admit we share.

I was struck by that story all over again when reading this:
clo
Natalie Maynor wrote:

> John Williams wrote:
> >
> > >    "What if [Saddam] fails to comply and we
> > >    fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third
> > >    route, which gives him yet more
> > >    opportunities to develop this program of
> > >    weapons of mass destruction? ... Well, he
> > >    will conclude that the international
> > >    community has lost its will. He will then
> > >    conclude that he can go right on and do
> > >    more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating
> > >    destruction. And some day, some way, I
> > >    guarantee you he'll use the arsenal."
> > >
> >                                          - the 42nd POTUS

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At 12:47 PM 3/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>This is from a bookseller friend and neighbor.
>----------------------
>OK Alyce, I am telling you as the official gamekeeper-I downloaded the
>deluxe version over the weekend-nice because it did not crash out on me
>mid-game the way the original version does. My current personal best
>after
>two games on the deluxe version:
>4,012,680
>after which I crashed and burned. Bummer-I wanted to peg it out at
>9,999,999
>to see if it re-zeroes like an odometer!
>did I get any books catalogued? well, in between.....
>
>susan

I downloaded it on Saturday. It seems you can run up the score quicker with
the downloaded version.

For those curious, it didn't take long to download but I have a cable modem
and it was Saturday morning. I think you get 10 free plays or something.
The cost is $24.99 to register an amount I certainly wouldn't pay.

The "features" include better graphics in between levels, an "action" game
which is basically a speed round and score tracking. There might be more
but these are the ones that stood out.

lisa

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\
>
> >>
> >> Ha. Picture a dead fawn covered with a moving brown mass.
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > Yeah, like weapons of mass destruction.
>
> You die by millimeters, very painfully. Is that like WMD?
>
> Karen

The point, to me, was that instead of one weapon
killing a mass of people . . . with ants, a mass of
them can kill the enemies one at a time.

           - D. M.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        The one in Kirkwood?
>>
>>
> The only one I have. Warson Woods. I think my niece lives in Kirkwood.


        Same thing.  I can send a care package up with her!




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> Pete Seeger was here recently for an activist musician festival,
> and he told a story of his mother, who said that if someone was
> really annoying, you should list their worst qualities on a paper,
> and then scratch out their name at the top and put your own -
> implication being that what irritates us most is the faults we don't
> care to admit we share.
>
> I was struck by that story all over again when reading this:

Why?  That's an often-stated truth (or I guess it's a truth -- anyway,
it's often stated).  But what does it have to do with the Bill Clinton
quotation?

> > John Williams wrote:
> > >
> > > >    "What if [Saddam] fails to comply and we
> > > >    fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third
> > > >    route, which gives him yet more
> > > >    opportunities to develop this program of
> > > >    weapons of mass destruction? ... Well, he
> > > >    will conclude that the international
> > > >    community has lost its will. He will then
> > > >    conclude that he can go right on and do
> > > >    more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating
> > > >    destruction. And some day, some way, I
> > > >    guarantee you he'll use the arsenal."
> > > >
> > >                                          - the 42nd POTUS


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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 4:36:34 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> At 04:13 PM 3/5/2003 -0600, kare'n wrote:
>>Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 4:06:48 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>>
>> >> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 3:53:31 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>> >>
>> >> According to The Bat!, your e-mail was created at 3:53 and sent
>> >> at 3:51. Someone's clock is off.
>> >>
>> >> Karen
>>
>> > Midwestern.  Just a bit backwards.
>>
>>I'm midwestern.
>>
>>Ooh, now they are 3 minutes off!

> Can you say "anal compulsive"?

I can--but I would never have noticed if The Bat! didn't sort by
date created. Sometimes my replies to Doris post before she
writes her original post.:) And I wondered why... Or is the
wondering part why I'm anal compulsive?

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Karen Kay wrote:

>  Sometimes my replies to Doris post before she
> writes her original post.:) And I wondered why...

I often receive your replies to people before receiving their
originals.  Not just Doris.  Could your clock be fast?

--
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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 5:10:59 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I often receive your replies to people before receiving their
> originals.  Not just Doris.  Could your clock be fast?

Not unless the atomic clock is wrong.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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Monday, March 3, 2003, 2:06:00 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> I still can't get over Steve's starry-eyed infatuation with blogs.

This is my QOTW. Every time I read it, I laugh again.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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>From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
>Our mailbox door is iced shut, so I'll have to wait until it thaws
>out to get the mail.

How do you think some might have gotten in there?

Marie

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 5:19:28 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
>>From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
>>Our mailbox door is iced shut, so I'll have to wait until it thaws
>>out to get the mail.

> How do you think some might have gotten in there?

The same way mine gets wet:  it's outside.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
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Here's something else that does a good job of showing the differences
between POTUS 41 and 43:

http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=1309

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> >From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
> >Our mailbox door is iced shut, so I'll have to wait until it thaws
> >out to get the mail.
>
> How do you think some might have gotten in there?

The postman came before the mailbox froze?

--
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>
> Isn't that a mass weapon of destruction, not a weapon of mass
> destruction?
>
> Karen,

So it is.

   - D. M.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 4:01:42 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        Huh?  The East Germans are pretty happy being just Germans
>>again as far as I can tell.
>>
>
> Maybe. I don't know. But his point was that the North Koreans
> wouldn't be happy just being Koreans.


        They used to be.



--
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In a message dated 03/05/2003 5:19:37 PM Central Standard Time,
lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<<
>From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
>Our mailbox door is iced shut, so I'll have to wait until it thaws
>out to get the mail.

How do you think some might have gotten in there?


>>

There are two sets of doors for the mailboxes:  the mail carrier
puts the mail in by the back door, and we get the mail through
the front door.  Sometimes the carrier will put a package in which
fits through his door, and we can't get the package out our door.

Evelyn Duncan
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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 5:29:44 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 4:01:42 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>        Huh?  The East Germans are pretty happy being just Germans
>>>again as far as I can tell.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe. I don't know. But his point was that the North Koreans
>> wouldn't be happy just being Koreans.


>         They used to be.

Yes, you're right. You clearly know more about this than Bill
Clinton!

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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In a message dated 03/05/2003 5:27:38 PM Central Standard Time,
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<<
The postman came before the mailbox froze?


>>

His side isn't frozen.

Evelyn Duncan
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 5:29:44 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>
>>>Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 4:01:42 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>       Huh?  The East Germans are pretty happy being just Germans
>>>>again as far as I can tell.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Maybe. I don't know. But his point was that the North Koreans
>>>wouldn't be happy just being Koreans.
>>>
>
>
>>        They used to be.
>>
>
> Yes, you're right. You clearly know more about this than Bill
> Clinton!


        Thank you.  Now fuck off.



--
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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 5:40:40 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 5:29:44 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 4:01:42 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>       Huh?  The East Germans are pretty happy being just Germans
>>>>>again as far as I can tell.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Maybe. I don't know. But his point was that the North Koreans
>>>>wouldn't be happy just being Koreans.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>        They used to be.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, you're right. You clearly know more about this than Bill
>> Clinton!


>         Thank you.  Now fuck off.

You're welcome. And thanks for your permission!

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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02003-03-05 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >To add to my own post, at the intersection before
> >you enter our block there is a sign that reads
> >"no outlet."                              - D. M.
>
> There is a residential street in Bar Harbor that says "No Through
> Street".  But it's a lie.  They just don't want the tourists driving down
> it.

There is a small street here where there is no sign, but the general
intent is much the same, you can feel it. Hence I drag my raggedy ass
clogs through there every time I get the chance. Rude bastards, but a
very beautiful street ...

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02003-03-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 2:11:54 AM, steph wrote:
>
> > Karen Kay:
> > = Tuesday, March 4, 2003, 7:51:04 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > =
> = >>>Sardines are said to be <in> now.
> > =
> = >> sez who?
> > =
> > = In in Europe.
> > =
>
> > Really!  Where?
>
> Paris, according to the article Natalie provided the URL for.

I am calling them freedom fish from now on

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 5:03:23 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

> \
>>
>> >>
>> >> Ha. Picture a dead fawn covered with a moving brown mass.
>> >>
>> >> Karen
>>
>> > Yeah, like weapons of mass destruction.
>>
>> You die by millimeters, very painfully. Is that like WMD?
>>
>> Karen

> The point, to me, was that instead of one weapon
> killing a mass of people . . . with ants, a mass of
> them can kill the enemies one at a time.

Isn't that a mass weapon of destruction, not a weapon of mass
destruction?

Karen,
still remembering the day I got 50 bites on my foot and it
swelled up

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02003-03-05 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Where's the love?
> >
> Hear.

Thank you, deer!

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 5:52:35 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 2:11:54 AM, steph wrote:
>>
>> > Karen Kay:
>> > = Tuesday, March 4, 2003, 7:51:04 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>> > =
>> = >>>Sardines are said to be <in> now.
>> > =
>> = >> sez who?
>> > =
>> > = In in Europe.
>> > =
>>
>> > Really!  Where?
>>
>> Paris, according to the article Natalie provided the URL for.

> I am calling them freedom fish from now on

LOL.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Wasn't thinking so much of the individual, but of the nation...
clo

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >
> > Pete Seeger was here recently for an activist musician festival,
> > and he told a story of his mother, who said that if someone was
> > really annoying, you should list their worst qualities on a paper,
> > and then scratch out their name at the top and put your own -
> > implication being that what irritates us most is the faults we don't
> > care to admit we share.
> >
> > I was struck by that story all over again when reading this:
>
> Why?  That's an often-stated truth (or I guess it's a truth -- anyway,
> it's often stated).  But what does it have to do with the Bill Clinton
> quotation?
>
> > > John Williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >    "What if [Saddam] fails to comply and we
> > > > >    fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third
> > > > >    route, which gives him yet more
> > > > >    opportunities to develop this program of
> > > > >    weapons of mass destruction? ... Well, he
> > > > >    will conclude that the international
> > > > >    community has lost its will. He will then
> > > > >    conclude that he can go right on and do
> > > > >    more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating
> > > > >    destruction. And some day, some way, I
> > > > >    guarantee you he'll use the arsenal."
> > > > >
> > > >                                          - the 42nd POTUS
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Rita,
I am quickly becoming enamored of your winning ways
and gracious speech. May I come and sit at your feet and
learn netiquette from you?

clo

Rita Chapman wrote:

>
>         Thank you.  Now fuck off.

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>>Yes, you're right. You clearly know more about this than Bill
>>Clinton!
>
>        Thank you.  Now fuck off.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Tsk. Tsk.   Did you remember to call Blackwoods Campground and try for a
reservation?


    --bonniev

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02003-03-05 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Rita,
> I am quickly becoming enamored of your winning ways
> and gracious speech. May I come and sit at your feet and
> learn netiquette from you?

No, fuck off

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You should be so lucky.

Betty

At 07:05 PM 3/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Rita,
>I am quickly becoming enamored of your winning ways
>and gracious speech. May I come and sit at your feet and
>learn netiquette from you?
>
>clo
>
>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >
> >         Thank you.  Now fuck off.

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At 07:05 PM 3/5/2003 -0500, clo wrote:
>Rita,
>I am quickly becoming enamored of your winning ways
>and gracious speech. May I come and sit at your feet and
>learn netiquette from you?

First,  you must cite your credentials---and if they don't include
credentials from the State of MIssouri, then I'm sorry, it's hopeless.

cwv

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 6:25:03 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> At 05:09 PM 3/5/2003 -0600, kare'n wrote:
>>I can--but I would never have noticed if The Bat! didn't sort by
>>date created. Sometimes my replies to Doris post before she
>>writes her original post.:) And I wondered why... Or is the
>>wondering part why I'm anal compulsive?

> What started me off is this (and it's not directed solely at you):  Why is
> it that wordslers can blow off typos, mistakes in spelling, punctuation,
> and word use (let alone logic) with total equanimity (or terminal
> smugness--take your choice), yet tie their knickers in a Gordian knot
> because somebody's post indicates a faulty or mis-adjusted clock?  Is there
> anything on words-l that is that goddamned important with respect to
> time?  If you can't sort out the sequencing of events (or posts), you are
> pretty much hopeless and maybe you ought to opt for the off-planet alternative.

Boy, are YOU cranky today!!!

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Ah, but I have that critical connection!

Not only did my ex-mother-in-law hail from that glorious state,
but my boss, who is by the way the best supervisor a woman
could ask for, lived and worked for many many years in MO.
- and I have been proposed marriage within view of the Arch!

If other credentials are needed, I have majored in so many
subjects that I just say "miscellaneous" when asked; I ended
my BA after 10 years by inventing my own field of study
(Human Adaptability and Survival); I am a published author
in <France>, and I am a world-known expert in one of the
least-known methods for teaching spoken languages visually.
(Note that I don't say "world-famous" - it would not only be
trite, but also untrue). Finally, I am a poet.

If all of this is not enough to sink myself completely in your
collective eyes, I have an MA in Linguistics and know
both Braille and Morse code for reasons that have absolutely
no rhyme to them!
clo

"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> At 07:05 PM 3/5/2003 -0500, clo wrote:
> >Rita,
> >I am quickly becoming enamored of your winning ways
> >and gracious speech. May I come and sit at your feet and
> >learn netiquette from you?
>
> First,  you must cite your credentials---and if they don't include
> credentials from the State of MIssouri, then I'm sorry, it's hopeless.
>
> cwv

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> Is Lucky Jim any good?

Absolutely fantastic!

Bethany

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On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> > > To complicate matters, some speakers use "dead-end" when they mean that
>> > > one street ends and one must turn either right or left onto another
>> > > street. Very confusing.
>>
>> I've never heard it that way at all. If you can turn, it's not dead.
>
>It's not dead adjectivally -- like it's not a dead-end street.  But you
>dead-in when you hit the other street.

No - it's not dead, so it should not be referred to as dead.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> No - it's not dead, so it should not be referred to as dead.

When you go dead ahead, are you dead?

--
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SAY SOMETHING!!!
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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*confused*
but then... how do I write without analogy, idiom, metaphor?
mmph - aren't all streets, technically, dead (not-live)?
or are they un-dead, neither dead nor living?
Wow. I sense an uneasy ride home in the dark....
ooooweeeeoooooh.....
clo


"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >> > > To complicate matters, some speakers use "dead-end" when they mean that
> >> > > one street ends and one must turn either right or left onto another
> >> > > street. Very confusing.
> >>
> >> I've never heard it that way at all. If you can turn, it's not dead.
> >
> >It's not dead adjectivally -- like it's not a dead-end street.  But you
> >dead-in when you hit the other street.
>
> No - it's not dead, so it should not be referred to as dead.
>
> Bethany

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02003-03-05 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Boy, are YOU cranky today!!!
>
> ?  Sounded like typical Clyde to me.

Dr Maynor,

Linguists have proved that "Boy, are YOU cranky today" is the top phatic
response of human history. Please, do not treat it as anything else.

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Wow, that makes it really important, as probably the only thing
linguists have ever <proved>.
clo

Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-05 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > > Boy, are YOU cranky today!!!
> >
> > ?  Sounded like typical Clyde to me.
>
> Dr Maynor,
>
> Linguists have proved that "Boy, are YOU cranky today" is the top phatic
> response of human history. Please, do not treat it as anything else.

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 1:50:41 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 1:46:47 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>> > I vote for "Hear here"
>>
>> YOU *ARE* EVIL!!!!!! Gack.

> Where's the love?

In my heart.

Karen
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On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>*confused*
>but then... how do I write without analogy, idiom, metaphor?
>mmph - aren't all streets, technically, dead (not-live)?
>or are they un-dead, neither dead nor living?

Not in Tennessee, home of roadkill.

Bethany

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> My sister is getting ready to come to nurse me. No date set--will depend
> on biopsy, etc. That will be a good thing. She is a real manager and
> organizer and will see that I eat and glow.
> --
> alyce

I'm very glad Berta is coming, Alyce.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> >This breeder has puppies right now, but it won't be practical for us to
> >adopt a puppy until the end of the summer. But I am sooooo tempted. Look how
> >sweet!
> >
> >Marie
> >   lounge_ascher@hotmail.com
>
> The pups are adorable! And the adults and very sleek. They look like red
> weimaraners.

I also thought of weimaraners.

Why would it be better to wait until late summer?

--
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02003-03-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 7:25:18 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-03-05 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> >> Wow, that makes it really important, as probably the only thing
> >> linguists have ever <proved>.
>
> > Boy, are YOU punchy today!
>
> Indeed. Perhaps she should have taken a few more courses...

Maybe a computer class?

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02003-03-05 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Linguists have proved that "Boy, are YOU cranky today" is the top phatic
> > response of human history. Please, do not treat it as anything else.
>
> But it is always possible to move from a phaticism to <meaningful
> communication>.

Have linguists proved that? If so the proof certainly didn't come
out of words-l.

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how about Tai Bo?
clo

Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 7:25:18 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > 02003-03-05 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > >> Wow, that makes it really important, as probably the only thing
> > >> linguists have ever <proved>.
> >
> > > Boy, are YOU punchy today!
> >
> > Indeed. Perhaps she should have taken a few more courses...
>
> Maybe a computer class?

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PS: This restaurant also features "Malta India" and though it
has no relation to the food, I can say confidently that the
following wussbags can kiss my hairy ass:
<http://beeradvocate.com/beer/rate_results/2349/5952/>

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02003-03-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Turn on the TV!! Married in America is ON NOW.

There is no TV around here. BTW I looked it up on the web,
so I know what it is.

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02003-03-05 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant writes,
>
> ><http://dropby.com/>
>
> Small world -- Matt's an acquaintance.  He dropped by (ha! :-) the office a
> few weeks ago so I could do a technical handoff of one of my projects to
> him.

I need air ...

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Tushar Samant writes,

><http://dropby.com/>

Small world -- Matt's an acquaintance.  He dropped by (ha! :-) the office a
few weeks ago so I could do a technical handoff of one of my projects to him.

I still haven't been to Buck's yet, though.

Pete

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Well, I wasn't all that fond of the ex-mother-in-law.
But at least it wasn't Oklahoma, famous to me for being the
place I found out Elvis was dead and narrowly escaped a
beating for not being sufficiently sorrowful, so what the hey.
And notice the Good Boss is no longer there. Your day
will come!

As for imitative classification, you're welcome to judge
for yourself. I was raised by a formalist, metaphorically
speaking, and molded by a wild-ass set of free verse
heathens, it's true; but I write for myself. The local street/slam
poets seem to be down with it, and the formalist said
after deliberation that I "at least had something to say".

<http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/CreativeWriting/CreativeWriting.htm>
no spaces and case sensitive for no good reason.

Ignore the disquisition - I am a wordy bitch; and a lot of it is
disclaimers to pacify family members who would otherwise
be offended.

clo

Rita Chapman wrote:

> Clyde misinformed you.  I'm not at all fond of Missouri.
> I'm just here.  Calling a place where it is impossible to
> find a decent pizza "glorious" is being either fatuous or
> facetious.
>
> Furthermore, you'll have to wait a day or two for more hate
> because I just repented and stuff tonight.  But I do hope
> you're not one of those sucky International Library of Poets
> type poets who writes oh-so-clever verse about spring in the
> shape of a tulip because you're just a huge fan of e. e.
> cummings, because then I would need to begin sinning again
> right away.  But if you're a Bobo Barnes and Noble workshop
> type poet, then I'll just pass you off to Tushar for the
> necessary dose of hate.
>
> Nothing personal.
>
> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > Ah, but I have that critical connection!
> >
> > Not only did my ex-mother-in-law hail from that glorious state,
> > but my boss, who is by the way the best supervisor a woman
> > could ask for, lived and worked for many many years in MO.
> > - and I have been proposed marriage within view of the Arch!
> >
> > If other credentials are needed, I have majored in so many
> > subjects that I just say "miscellaneous" when asked; I ended
> > my BA after 10 years by inventing my own field of study
> > (Human Adaptability and Survival); I am a published author
> > in <France>, and I am a world-known expert in one of the
> > least-known methods for teaching spoken languages visually.
> > (Note that I don't say "world-famous" - it would not only be
> > trite, but also untrue). Finally, I am a poet.
> >
> > If all of this is not enough to sink myself completely in your
> > collective eyes, I have an MA in Linguistics and know
> > both Braille and Morse code for reasons that have absolutely
> > no rhyme to them!
> > clo
> >
> > "clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>At 07:05 PM 3/5/2003 -0500, clo wrote:
> >>
> >>>Rita,
> >>>I am quickly becoming enamored of your winning ways
> >>>and gracious speech. May I come and sit at your feet and
> >>>learn netiquette from you?
> >>>
> >>First,  you must cite your credentials---and if they don't include
> >>credentials from the State of MIssouri, then I'm sorry, it's hopeless.
> >>
> >>cwv
> >>
> >
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita

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02003-03-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>>02003-03-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>>
> >>>>Furthermore, you'll have to wait a day or two for more hate
> >>>>because I just repented and stuff tonight.  But I do hope
> >>>>you're not one of those sucky International Library of Poets
> >>>>type poets who writes oh-so-clever verse about spring in the
> >>>>shape of a tulip because you're just a huge fan of e. e.
> >>>>cummings, because then I would need to begin sinning again
> >>>>right away.  But if you're a Bobo Barnes and Noble workshop
> >>>>type poet, then I'll just pass you off to Tushar for the
> >>>>necessary dose of hate.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>There is no hate in this heart. Sorry.
> >>>
> >>
> >>      You're being Lutheran.
> >>
> >
> >Thanks. Now fuck off.
>
>
>        You will not melt my heart with such sweet nothings, Tushar.
>  I mean it.  I am a stone to you, you cheater.

LOL.

I knew you were my evil nonuplet!

So "Rita", rumors are that you are a ch*k and are cute--what can
I say to this bar-tender so she may know I am frequently sober
and will willingly accept her embraces? It doesn't have to be
in the form of a E. E. Cumming's poem. The way she was reading
"The Onion" subtly ignoring me the whole time tells me there's
a LOT going on ...

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<A> (one) computer class - check! done.
historical linguistics course - check! done.
Please don't suggest more graduate linguistics, Karen - I'll be
forced to return to Austin, and living in Austin always gets me
"enceinte".

clo

Karen Kay wrote:

> >> > Maybe a computer class?
> >>
> >> No, historical linguistics.
>
> > How can historical linguistics help in understanding manuals? Jeeze!
>
> Good question! All I can say is, it certainly helped me.
>
> Karen

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02003-03-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >02003-03-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> >>Furthermore, you'll have to wait a day or two for more hate
> >>because I just repented and stuff tonight.  But I do hope
> >>you're not one of those sucky International Library of Poets
> >>type poets who writes oh-so-clever verse about spring in the
> >>shape of a tulip because you're just a huge fan of e. e.
> >>cummings, because then I would need to begin sinning again
> >>right away.  But if you're a Bobo Barnes and Noble workshop
> >>type poet, then I'll just pass you off to Tushar for the
> >>necessary dose of hate.
> >>
> >
> >There is no hate in this heart. Sorry.
>
>
>        You're being Lutheran.

Thanks. Now fuck off.

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LOL!
clo

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > But it is always possible to move from a phaticism to <meaningful
> > > communication>.
> >
> > Have linguists proved that?
>
> Yes. p->mc2 (that 2 is supposed to be superscript)
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-03-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Furthermore, you'll have to wait a day or two for more hate
> because I just repented and stuff tonight.  But I do hope
> you're not one of those sucky International Library of Poets
> type poets who writes oh-so-clever verse about spring in the
> shape of a tulip because you're just a huge fan of e. e.
> cummings, because then I would need to begin sinning again
> right away.  But if you're a Bobo Barnes and Noble workshop
> type poet, then I'll just pass you off to Tushar for the
> necessary dose of hate.

There is no hate in this heart. Sorry.

Nothing personal

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No, no, Pete, that was truly vatic!
clo

Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Rita Chapman writes,
>
> >        Pete, can I sit at your feet and learn netiquette?  Pretty
> >please?
>
> Child, you know not of whom you ask.
>
> Pete, phatically

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02003-03-05 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > But it is always possible to move from a phaticism to <meaningful
> > > communication>.
> >
> > Have linguists proved that?
>
> Yes. p->mc2 (that 2 is supposed to be superscript)

I could ask for a cite, but I'll take your word for it. Keep
up your good work, Maynor ...

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02003-03-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> >Rita Chapman writes,
> >
> >>       Pete, can I sit at your feet and learn netiquette?  Pretty
> >>please?
> >
> >
> >Child, you know not of whom you ask.
> >
> >Pete, phatically
>
>
>        LOL ;).

That's why I LOVE Pete! :-)))))))

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02003-03-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 8:10:28 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-03-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 7:25:18 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>
> >> > 02003-03-05 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> >> >> Wow, that makes it really important, as probably the only thing
> >> >> linguists have ever <proved>.
> >>
> >> > Boy, are YOU punchy today!
> >>
> >> Indeed. Perhaps she should have taken a few more courses...
>
> > Maybe a computer class?
>
> No, historical linguistics.

How can historical linguistics help in understanding manuals? Jeeze!

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        Child, you know not of whom you ask.

Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Rita,
> I am quickly becoming enamored of your winning ways
> and gracious speech. May I come and sit at your feet and
> learn netiquette from you?
>
> clo
>
> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Thank you.  Now fuck off.
>>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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bonniev wrote:

>>> Yes, you're right. You clearly know more about this than Bill
>>> Clinton!
>>
>>
>>        Thank you.  Now fuck off.
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> Tsk. Tsk.   Did you remember to call Blackwoods Campground and try for a
> reservation?


        No, I'm preoccupied this week.  Working on it, though.  Maybe
if I remember to bring my cell to work tomorrow and I get 10
minutes to myself.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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02003-03-05 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> Natalie Maynor writes,
>
> >Yes. p->mc2 (that 2 is supposed to be superscript)
>
> Ask a smartass question....
>
> Actually, though, I'm of the opinion that phaticism is itself meaningful
> communication.

Boy, what crawled up YOUR butt?

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Ah, I knew that would mislead. I didn't study there. I <lived>
there. Twice. I'd have to go someplace - there are no more
lx courses here at SU. Like Alexander the Great, I have no
more words to conquer.
*meaningful sigh*
*soulful gaze toward the horizon*
clo

Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 8:39:20 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > Please don't suggest more graduate linguistics, Karen - I'll be
> > forced to return to Austin, and living in Austin always gets me
> > "enceinte".
>
> Why would you have to come here? The lx dept here sucks, or so
> I've been told. When did you study here?
>
> Karen
> "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
> cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>  --Shinzen Young

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > But it is always possible to move from a phaticism to <meaningful
> > communication>.
>
> Have linguists proved that?

Yes. p->mc2 (that 2 is supposed to be superscript)

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 8:32:08 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 8:10:28 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>> > 02003-03-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 7:25:18 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > 02003-03-05 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>> >> >> Wow, that makes it really important, as probably the only thing
>> >> >> linguists have ever <proved>.
>> >>
>> >> > Boy, are YOU punchy today!
>> >>
>> >> Indeed. Perhaps she should have taken a few more courses...
>>
>> > Maybe a computer class?
>>
>> No, historical linguistics.

> How can historical linguistics help in understanding manuals? Jeeze!

Good question! All I can say is, it certainly helped me.

Karen
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 20:51:03 -0600
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Clyde misinformed you.  I'm not at all fond of Missouri.
I'm just here.  Calling a place where it is impossible to
find a decent pizza "glorious" is being either fatuous or
facetious.

Furthermore, you'll have to wait a day or two for more hate
because I just repented and stuff tonight.  But I do hope
you're not one of those sucky International Library of Poets
type poets who writes oh-so-clever verse about spring in the
shape of a tulip because you're just a huge fan of e. e.
cummings, because then I would need to begin sinning again
right away.  But if you're a Bobo Barnes and Noble workshop
type poet, then I'll just pass you off to Tushar for the
necessary dose of hate.

Nothing personal.

Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Ah, but I have that critical connection!
>
> Not only did my ex-mother-in-law hail from that glorious state,
> but my boss, who is by the way the best supervisor a woman
> could ask for, lived and worked for many many years in MO.
> - and I have been proposed marriage within view of the Arch!
>
> If other credentials are needed, I have majored in so many
> subjects that I just say "miscellaneous" when asked; I ended
> my BA after 10 years by inventing my own field of study
> (Human Adaptability and Survival); I am a published author
> in <France>, and I am a world-known expert in one of the
> least-known methods for teaching spoken languages visually.
> (Note that I don't say "world-famous" - it would not only be
> trite, but also untrue). Finally, I am a poet.
>
> If all of this is not enough to sink myself completely in your
> collective eyes, I have an MA in Linguistics and know
> both Braille and Morse code for reasons that have absolutely
> no rhyme to them!
> clo
>
> "clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
>
>>At 07:05 PM 3/5/2003 -0500, clo wrote:
>>
>>>Rita,
>>>I am quickly becoming enamored of your winning ways
>>>and gracious speech. May I come and sit at your feet and
>>>learn netiquette from you?
>>>
>>First,  you must cite your credentials---and if they don't include
>>credentials from the State of MIssouri, then I'm sorry, it's hopeless.
>>
>>cwv
>>
>


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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>
>>>02003-03-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Furthermore, you'll have to wait a day or two for more hate
>>>>because I just repented and stuff tonight.  But I do hope
>>>>you're not one of those sucky International Library of Poets
>>>>type poets who writes oh-so-clever verse about spring in the
>>>>shape of a tulip because you're just a huge fan of e. e.
>>>>cummings, because then I would need to begin sinning again
>>>>right away.  But if you're a Bobo Barnes and Noble workshop
>>>>type poet, then I'll just pass you off to Tushar for the
>>>>necessary dose of hate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>There is no hate in this heart. Sorry.
>>>
>>
>>       You're being Lutheran.
>>
>
> Thanks. Now fuck off.
>


        You will not melt my heart with such sweet nothings, Tushar.
  I mean it.  I am a stone to you, you cheater.




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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 8:39:20 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Please don't suggest more graduate linguistics, Karen - I'll be
> forced to return to Austin, and living in Austin always gets me
> "enceinte".

Why would you have to come here? The lx dept here sucks, or so
I've been told. When did you study here?

Karen
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        Pete, can I sit at your feet and learn netiquette?  Pretty
please?

Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-05 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
>
>>Natalie Maynor writes,
>>
>>
>>>Yes. p->mc2 (that 2 is supposed to be superscript)
>>>
>>Ask a smartass question....
>>
>>Actually, though, I'm of the opinion that phaticism is itself meaningful
>>communication.
>>
>
> Boy, what crawled up YOUR butt?
>
>


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Rita Chapman writes,

>        Pete, can I sit at your feet and learn netiquette?  Pretty
>please?

Child, you know not of whom you ask.

Pete, phatically

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>Yes. p->mc2 (that 2 is supposed to be superscript)

Ask a smartass question....

Actually, though, I'm of the opinion that phaticism is itself meaningful
communication.

Pete

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Betty wrote:

> At 08:40 PM 3/4/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>> 02003-03-04 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>>       My god.  You've stunned poor Tushar.
>>>
>>>
>>> My god, you are TOTALLY jealous!
>>
>>
>>        I am *sob*.  I felt you slip away from me after the potato
>> wrestling remark -- it was a physical pain my heart for I
>> knew I could not compete and that my dream of someday
>> sitting on the Chain of Rocks Br. with you staring out into
>> the hot, thick night vainly trying to find the Arch in the
>> distance and breathing in the metallic perfume of the Mighty
>> Mississippi vanished in that very instant.  Oh, Tushar! Why?
>
>
> Where is the hate?
>

        After I'm done with the <hurt> of rejection, I'll work up
some blistering righteous indignation.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Doris Markland wrote:

> I live in a cul-de-sac.  It is not a dead end.
> If you drive into it you continue around a
> circle and drive out of it.

So how is that a cul-de-sac?  It sounds like a circle to me.  Or do you
mean there's a turnaround place at the end?  That's another thing that
makes me more inclined to use "cul-de-sac" instead of "dead-end" -- a
dead-end street just stops, whereas a cul-de-sac stops with a sort of
circle in front of the last house on the street, making it easy to turn
around and retreat.

--
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>To add to my own post, at the intersection before
>you enter our block there is a sign that reads
>"no outlet."                              - D. M.

There is a residential street in Bar Harbor that says "No Through
Street".  But it's a lie.  They just don't want the tourists driving down it.


    --bonniev

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>    "What if [Saddam] fails to comply and we
>    fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third
>    route, which gives him yet more
>    opportunities to develop this program of
>    weapons of mass destruction? ... Well, he
>    will conclude that the international
>    community has lost its will. He will then
>    conclude that he can go right on and do
>    more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating
>    destruction. And some day, some way, I
>    guarantee you he'll use the arsenal."
>
                                         - the 42nd POTUS

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Karen Kay:
= Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:42:11 AM, steph wrote:
=
= > Natalie Maynor:
= > = Janet Hardy wrote:
= > =
= = >> Slang for "jism."
= > =
= > = Don't know that word either.
= > =
=
= > MUTANT!
=
= What I want to know is where gism occurs as a bound morpheme.
=

What I want to know is what a bound morpheme is.

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Oh, now, see,

I thought this was for real.

Carolyn Ostrander:
= Well, that's one of the things that makes morphology such a fun
= little trip. Just as folk etymology can reverse time to make a
= derived meaning into an antecedent, folk morphology can take
= words like "syllogism" and "neologism", split the roots, and come
= up with fun affixes like "gism". It didn't seem worth mentioning
= initally; but then, I didn't know y'all very well yet. From now on
= I will be very grumpy abt details like that, so as to fit in better!
= clo
=
= Karen Kay wrote:
=
= > Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:42:11 AM, steph wrote:
= >
= > > Natalie Maynor:
= > > = Janet Hardy wrote:
= > > =
= > = >> Slang for "jism."
= > > =
= > > = Don't know that word either.
= > > =
= >
= > > MUTANT!
= >
= > What I want to know is where gism occurs as a bound morpheme.
= >
= > Karen
= > "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
= > cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
= >  --Shinzen Young

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 9:46:36 AM, Betty Clark wrote:

> At 10:47 PM 3/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>Tuesday, March 4, 2003, 10:48:24 PM, Janet Hardy wrote:
>>
>> >>  > There are no service plazas.    You really haven't traveled much, have
>> >>>  you?   You don't have to "hunt" for a service station.   They have signs
>> >>>  that go high up in the air so that you can see them from the
>> >>>  interstate.  But you do have to exit to get to them.
>> >>
>> >>No, I haven't travelled much. I haven't been to Europe.
>>
>> > A WLM yesterday: someone told me that only 18% of Americans have
>> > passports. (Don't know if it's true or not.)
>>
>>I have one, but it's no longer valid, which makes me feel
>><weird>.

> You better fix that.  No telling when you have to get out of the country FAST.

Send me the money and I will.:)

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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alyce cresap:
= Austin still best place to live.
= http://money.cnn.com/best/bplive/
=
= Did someone say they grew up in Highland Park, IL? That's a "big-money"
= town.

Janet's mom, and sort of mostly me.  I went to grade school and
junior high there.  I just had a look and none of the houses in
my old neighborhood are listed for sale so I can't tell what
they're going for these days.

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At 05:25 AM 3/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>steph wrote:
> >
> > Karen Kay:
> > = Tuesday, March 4, 2003, 7:51:04 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > =
> > = >>Sardines are said to be <in> now.
> > =
> > = > sez who?
> > =
> > = In in Europe.
> > =
> >
> > Really!  Where?
>
>France was specifically mentioned in Newsweek, I think.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

The tapas bars in Spain feature them as well.

lisa

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I've only heard that as "X St dead-ends at Y St." and not "X St is a dead-end street"

BrP



> >> I live in a cul-de-sac.  It is not a dead end.
> >> If you drive into it you continue around a
> >> circle and drive out of it.
>
> To complicate matters, some speakers use "dead-end" when they mean that
> one street ends and one must turn either right or left onto another
> street. Very confusing.
>
> Bethany

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > > >Sardines are said to be <in> now.
> > >
> > > sez who?
>
> >Newsweek.  I read about trendy sardines while walking back from the p.o.
> >this morning.
>
> Hmm. I dunno. I don't think of Newsweek as bona fide food guru.

But does somebody really need to be a food guru to know what's trendy in
food?  I think of a food guru as somebody who's into food -- somebody
who can talk about ingredients, subtle tastes, cooking methods, etc.  It
seems to me that somebody not any of that might know from
observing/listening when some kind of food was <in> among the food <in
crowds>.  I dunno.

--
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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET> on sardines:
>I try to keep them around. Every now and then only something that
>pungent and oily and savory will do.

You are so hip!

I ended up making a whitefish-like salad using some smoked whiting I picked
up at BJ's to take in my lunch today -- perfect with water crackers. Also
very pungent, oily and savory.

Marie

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It's raining again, and I say keep it coming. Be gone, Snow! I am finished
with Winter. Bring grass, daffodils, crocuses. The world has been white for
too long!

Marie
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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> So even a hint about his sense of humor would
> probably be helpful.

    "A screaming comes across the sky."  Hoo, boy, GR.  What to say?
Moby Dick with a V-2 misssle?  I loved it, but I wouldn't want to read
it again.  Kinda like what Twain said about Wagner, "Its better than it
sounds"?  I guess I liked it because I got <most> of the jokes, and
those rat-pellets of food kept me going.
    It first caught my attention when it won the National Book Award and
one of the judges quit in protest, his "Goddamned piece of crap" comment
getting some publicity.  And of course Pynchon sending Professor Irwin
Corey  to the awards banquet in his stead was a nice touch.  8-)
    Whatever you do don't go looking for coherency.  Someone once said
that it didn't have a point, and that was the point.  Don't dig for a
plot, or try to keep all the characters straight, or even treat it as a
novel at all.  Do you looking for meaning in a pool of water?  Just swim
across it and let it flow around you.

JMW

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> My sister is getting ready to come to nurse me. No date set--will depend
> on biopsy, etc. That will be a good thing. She is a real manager and
> organizer and will see that I eat and glow.

Excellent!

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 2:11:54 AM, steph wrote:
>Karen Kay:
>= Tuesday, March 4, 2003, 7:51:04 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>=
= >>>Sardines are said to be <in> now.
>=
= >> sez who?
>=
>= In in Europe.

>Really!  Where?

I don't recall having sardines on previous trips to Antwerp
but had them three times on my last trip. But they were all at
tapas style places where sardines have been de rigueur for a long
time, no. Yummy yes, trendy no. (The sardines came with a side
of olive oil, Lisa.)

-rashmi



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Are you glowing yet, Alyce?

Karen

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:42:11 AM, steph wrote:

> Natalie Maynor:
> = Janet Hardy wrote:
> =
= >> Slang for "jism."
> =
> = Don't know that word either.
> =

> MUTANT!

What I want to know is where gism occurs as a bound morpheme.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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Doris Markland writes,

>"Bad priests are weapons of <mass> destruction."

Today I had a flashback to Dr. Strangelove -- except the Jack Ripper
character was POTUS...

Pete

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> Maybe we'll see each other on the highway though.. I'll be the
> one speeding
> up so you can't get in front of me as you attempt to exit the highway for
> gas. ;-)

Um, no, I'll be the one passing your ass on the right because I can't stand
to be behind anyone, no matter how fast we're travelling. :D

--Adam
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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 12:55:21 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> A coworker just responded to an email I sent with, "HERE! HERE!".

Alyce is going to hate me, but I'm so CONFUSED I don't remember
which is the right one.

Karen
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Who can distinguish us?"
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At 05:36 PM 3/5/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>>Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:36:53 AM, C.Q. Featherstonehaugh wrote:
>
>> > -rashmi:
>> >> weekly executions?" - Martin Amis
>
>> > It's always seemed to me that Martin must have
>> > inherited his sense of humor from Mom.
>
>>Your mom or his?
>
>I *think* Richard is pointing out the difference between Martin's
>humor and Kingston's. I could be all wrong, though. I mean, I
>LOL'd at the comparison.
>
>Hey Richard, how's the iguana?

Oh, Rashmi, you forgot?  Earl passed away.

Betty

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<splutter> if they didn't do drugs, how could they ever have
dreamed up a thing like amazon.com?
clo

Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 12:13:42 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > internet home delivery. try amazon.com
>
> They do drugs now?! What aren't they into???
>
> Karen
> "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
> cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>  --Shinzen Young

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 9:47:34 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
> Speaking of trendy, have you seen the new skirts in Japan?

I have photos, if you want them.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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02003-03-05 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-03-05 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> > > Hmm. Now I guess I might have misunderstood Karen's remark. So my recent
> > > answer to Natalie's and Karen's remarks may make no sense.
> >
> > A very good example of blaming the victim!
>
> ...staring and staring at you statement, unable to make it out: who's the
> victim?... :-(
>
> Kristin, sad for her poor mind

You.

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02003-03-04 | Janet Hardy <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET> writes:
> >02003-03-04 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> >> The problem with playing taped silence to cover up noise is that I'm not
> >> quite sure silence can cover up noise.
> >
> >Not up on the latest BoBO technology, I see!
> >
> ><http://www.bose.com/noise_reduction/qc_headset/>
> >
> >I have it. It cost a pretty penny but the moment I put it on,
> >I realized it was worth it. The look is quite understated and
> >authentic. Yes, in some ways it's a power-sucking monstrosity,
> >but finally I feel safe. Without it I would certainly have gone
> >crazy.
>
> I had a chance to try a pair of these at a friend's house and intend
> to buy my own at the earliest possible opportunity, preferably before
> I have to fly on another airplane. The sound reduction is quite
> amazing.

I am getting so good at pegging these things!

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A coworker just responded to an email I sent with, "HERE! HERE!".

lisa

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02003-03-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 1:46:47 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > I vote for "Hear here"
>
> YOU *ARE* EVIL!!!!!! Gack.

Where's the love?

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Wow. 39 - it really is spring!
But then, I knew already, because on Friday I faced down a
skunk that had wandered into the garage as I was going out
to get in the car and drive to work. When the skunks wake up -
that's why spring is in the air!
clo

Karen Kay wrote:

> Yesterday was absolutely spring-like. It smelled like spring, it
> looked like spring, I mowed the lawn, everyone was smiling...
>
> And today, the high is 39. And it's wet. Brrrrrrrrrrr!
>
> Karen
> "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
> cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>  --Shinzen Young

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At 01:13 PM 3/5/2003 -0600, kare'n wrote:

>Well, as Natalie said. It happens in e-mail.

Yeah.  Right.

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02003-03-05 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> We will, thanks. Ours is excellent. I started it and Imbi finished it
> (i.e. *making* it)

Wow, she is a big girl now

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Well, if insurance doesn't cover the supplement, don't worry
about the prescription. Just order it and get them to send it
to the door.

clo

alyce cresap wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >
> > <splutter> if they didn't do drugs, how could they ever have
> > dreamed up a thing like amazon.com?
>
> In any case, I'd have to mail the prescription to amazon first? And I
> don't even have one to mail. They just call it in to the drug store.
> Amazon's not too practical.
>
> alyce
>
> -

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Now we know where <they> spend their off-duty hours!
clo

lisa alfieri wrote:

> A coworker just responded to an email I sent with, "HERE! HERE!".
>
> lisa

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>>
> I have never seen a skunk in my neighborhood. My theory is that
> the armadillos get them.>
>
> Karen

About two weeks ago an armadillo was seen in
Nebraska.  They think it's the first ever reported.
What the heck was he thinking of and how did
he get here?  Now we have jokes about the
armadillo invasion from Texas.

                  - D. M.

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 1:50:04 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Whereof one can't recall thereof one must reason.

Have you been reading that fellow BB again?

> What the hell does "Here! Here!" mean? Nothing. What does
> "Hear! Hear!" mean? It means "oh SNAP!", or "that was well
> testified", or "that was worthy of our hearing repeatedly".

"Oh SNAP!" means "that was worthy of our hearing repeatedly"?

Interesting.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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Doris Markland wrote:

> To add to my own post, at the intersection before
> you enter our block there is a sign that reads
> "no outlet."

Ah ha.  So the inlet serves as the outlet.  But you don't have to
backtrack -- you circle instead?

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > I guess that means you have seen them, too?
>
> Well . . can we have a word of description?

According to my lunch buddies, they're fake -- they're pictures of naked
bottoms and lace and stuff superimposed on pictures of the skirted
women.  They're not real skirts.

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Like the minister who did my cousin Allan's funeral and called
him "Joe" the whole time? It sort of interrupted the tender tone
of the remarks.

clo

Doris Markland wrote:

> >my mind
> >wandered here and there and came up with
> >"Bad priests are weapons of <mass> destruction."

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > Was the phallus as nice as this one?
> > http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/phallic.jpg
>
> With whom are you standing there, Natalie?

A friendly stranger in Kawasaki, Japan.

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> >>
> >> You won't be laughing when the fire ants arrive...
> > - Karen
>
> > Boy, you can say that again.  Less road kill
> > but more pain!
>
> Why less roadkill? Fire ants can kill deer--and humans.
>
> Karen

I hadn't thought of that.  I was just
picturing a dead fire ant on the road
as opposed to a dead armadillo.

               - D. M.

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 3:53:31 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

According to The Bat!, your e-mail was created at 3:53 and sent
at 3:51. Someone's clock is off.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 3:53:31 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> According to The Bat!, your e-mail was created at 3:53 and sent
> at 3:51. Someone's clock is off.
>
> Karen

Midwestern.  Just a bit backwards.

        - D. M.

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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:13:10 -0600
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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 4:06:05 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

>>
>> Ha. Picture a dead fawn covered with a moving brown mass.
>>
>> Karen

> Yeah, like weapons of mass destruction.

You die by millimeters, very painfully. Is that like WMD?

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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At 04:13 PM 3/5/2003 -0600, kare'n wrote:
>Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 4:06:48 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 3:53:31 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> >>
> >> According to The Bat!, your e-mail was created at 3:53 and sent
> >> at 3:51. Someone's clock is off.
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > Midwestern.  Just a bit backwards.
>
>I'm midwestern.
>
>Ooh, now they are 3 minutes off!

Can you say "anal compulsive"?

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02003-03-04 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>        I am *sob*.  I felt you slip away from me after the potato
> wrestling remark -- it was a physical pain my heart for I
> knew I could not compete and that my dream of someday
> sitting on the Chain of Rocks Br. with you staring out into
> the hot, thick night vainly trying to find the Arch in the
> distance and breathing in the metallic perfume of the Mighty
> Mississippi vanished in that very instant.  Oh, Tushar! Why?

Shit happens.

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Note: this is a typically corny observation but I am posting it in
case K-R-N *LOVES* it with a "!!!" following, or goes "LOL" or decides
to call me her Evil Quadrapopulet ... and the observation is: if a
restaurant is being run by a family, with several of our Latina sisters
waiting, go ahead and eat and drink everything in sight. They will not
only not mind, they will be entertained. For example, I stopped at my
favorite restaurant the other night in preparation of a musical enter-
tainment--by the way, it is mentioned before Buck's Woodside on this
page: <http://dropby.com/>--and there being nothing to stop me, I got
myself the guisado of bacalao--words encrypted to prevent Espen etc
from starting--a mountain of rice and a big ass side of garlickified
tostones. The excellence of this simple food kept me from stopping until
it was all gone, but the lady who brought it could not see my point of
view. When she saw the licked-clean plates, she practically had to lean
on the bar due to a weakness induced by all-encompassing mirth. Then she
asked me if I wanted more fish, since I was obviously very VERY hungry,
and another lady sitting at the next table joined in the general laughter.
However, I was neither testy nor flushed with shame, because hey, I was
PAYING. While I was leaving I heard a recurrence of the mirth.

Similar events constantly happen in resaurants of a similar nature.

Thank you

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 8:10:28 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 7:25:18 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>> > 02003-03-05 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>> >> Wow, that makes it really important, as probably the only thing
>> >> linguists have ever <proved>.
>>
>> > Boy, are YOU punchy today!
>>
>> Indeed. Perhaps she should have taken a few more courses...

> Maybe a computer class?

No, historical linguistics.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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At 05:09 PM 3/5/2003 -0600, kare'n wrote:
>I can--but I would never have noticed if The Bat! didn't sort by
>date created. Sometimes my replies to Doris post before she
>writes her original post.:) And I wondered why... Or is the
>wondering part why I'm anal compulsive?

What started me off is this (and it's not directed solely at you):  Why is
it that wordslers can blow off typos, mistakes in spelling, punctuation,
and word use (let alone logic) with total equanimity (or terminal
smugness--take your choice), yet tie their knickers in a Gordian knot
because somebody's post indicates a faulty or mis-adjusted clock?  Is there
anything on words-l that is that goddamned important with respect to
time?  If you can't sort out the sequencing of events (or posts), you are
pretty much hopeless and maybe you ought to opt for the off-planet alternative.

cwv

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Turn on the TV!! Married in America is ON NOW.

Karen

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At 06:32 PM 3/5/2003 -0600, kare'n wrote:


>Boy, are YOU cranky today!!!

No, just a random attack of clarity.

cwv

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Furthermore, you'll have to wait a day or two for more hate
>>because I just repented and stuff tonight.  But I do hope
>>you're not one of those sucky International Library of Poets
>>type poets who writes oh-so-clever verse about spring in the
>>shape of a tulip because you're just a huge fan of e. e.
>>cummings, because then I would need to begin sinning again
>>right away.  But if you're a Bobo Barnes and Noble workshop
>>type poet, then I'll just pass you off to Tushar for the
>>necessary dose of hate.
>>
>
> There is no hate in this heart. Sorry.


        You're being Lutheran.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Boy, are YOU cranky today!!!

?  Sounded like typical Clyde to me.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-03-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>        Pete, can I sit at your feet and learn netiquette?  Pretty
> please?

LOL!

I know you are but what am I?

> >02003-03-05 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> >
> >>Natalie Maynor writes,
> >>
> >>
> >>>Yes. p->mc2 (that 2 is supposed to be superscript)
> >>>
> >>Ask a smartass question....
> >>
> >>Actually, though, I'm of the opinion that phaticism is itself meaningful
> >>communication.
> >>
> >
> >Boy, what crawled up YOUR butt?

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02003-03-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 6:25:03 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> > At 05:09 PM 3/5/2003 -0600, kare'n wrote:
>
> >>I can--but I would never have noticed if The Bat! didn't sort by
> >>date created. Sometimes my replies to Doris post before she
> >>writes her original post.:) And I wondered why... Or is the
> >>wondering part why I'm anal compulsive?
>
> > What started me off is this (and it's not directed solely at you):  Why is
> > it that wordslers can blow off typos, mistakes in spelling, punctuation,
> > and word use (let alone logic) with total equanimity (or terminal
> > smugness--take your choice), yet tie their knickers in a Gordian knot
> > because somebody's post indicates a faulty or mis-adjusted clock?  Is there
> > anything on words-l that is that goddamned important with respect to
> > time?  If you can't sort out the sequencing of events (or posts), you are
> > pretty much hopeless and maybe you ought to opt for the off-planet alternative.
>
> Boy, are YOU cranky today!!!

No. Complaining about timestamps is absolutely ridiculous.
Maybe you should read Mr Tompkins in Wonderland ...

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02003-03-05 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Wow, that makes it really important, as probably the only thing
> linguists have ever <proved>.

Boy, are YOU punchy today!

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 7:25:18 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-05 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>> Wow, that makes it really important, as probably the only thing
>> linguists have ever <proved>.

> Boy, are YOU punchy today!

Indeed. Perhaps she should have taken a few more courses...

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Linguists have proved that "Boy, are YOU cranky today" is the top phatic
> response of human history. Please, do not treat it as anything else.

But it is always possible to move from a phaticism to <meaningful
communication>.

--
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Too much there for me to read tonight, but in all sincerity,
I will take a look tomorrow when I'm a little fresher.

Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Well, I wasn't all that fond of the ex-mother-in-law.
> But at least it wasn't Oklahoma, famous to me for being the
> place I found out Elvis was dead and narrowly escaped a
> beating for not being sufficiently sorrowful, so what the hey.
> And notice the Good Boss is no longer there. Your day
> will come!
>
> As for imitative classification, you're welcome to judge
> for yourself. I was raised by a formalist, metaphorically
> speaking, and molded by a wild-ass set of free verse
> heathens, it's true; but I write for myself. The local street/slam
> poets seem to be down with it, and the formalist said
> after deliberation that I "at least had something to say".
>
> <http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/CreativeWriting/CreativeWriting.htm>
> no spaces and case sensitive for no good reason.
>
> Ignore the disquisition - I am a wordy bitch; and a lot of it is
> disclaimers to pacify family members who would otherwise
> be offended.
>
> clo
>
> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>Clyde misinformed you.  I'm not at all fond of Missouri.
>>I'm just here.  Calling a place where it is impossible to
>>find a decent pizza "glorious" is being either fatuous or
>>facetious.
>>
>>Furthermore, you'll have to wait a day or two for more hate
>>because I just repented and stuff tonight.  But I do hope
>>you're not one of those sucky International Library of Poets
>>type poets who writes oh-so-clever verse about spring in the
>>shape of a tulip because you're just a huge fan of e. e.
>>cummings, because then I would need to begin sinning again
>>right away.  But if you're a Bobo Barnes and Noble workshop
>>type poet, then I'll just pass you off to Tushar for the
>>necessary dose of hate.
>>
>>Nothing personal.
>>
>>Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Ah, but I have that critical connection!
>>>
>>>Not only did my ex-mother-in-law hail from that glorious state,
>>>but my boss, who is by the way the best supervisor a woman
>>>could ask for, lived and worked for many many years in MO.
>>>- and I have been proposed marriage within view of the Arch!
>>>
>>>If other credentials are needed, I have majored in so many
>>>subjects that I just say "miscellaneous" when asked; I ended
>>>my BA after 10 years by inventing my own field of study
>>>(Human Adaptability and Survival); I am a published author
>>>in <France>, and I am a world-known expert in one of the
>>>least-known methods for teaching spoken languages visually.
>>>(Note that I don't say "world-famous" - it would not only be
>>>trite, but also untrue). Finally, I am a poet.
>>>
>>>If all of this is not enough to sink myself completely in your
>>>collective eyes, I have an MA in Linguistics and know
>>>both Braille and Morse code for reasons that have absolutely
>>>no rhyme to them!
>>>clo
>>>
>>>"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>At 07:05 PM 3/5/2003 -0500, clo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Rita,
>>>>>I am quickly becoming enamored of your winning ways
>>>>>and gracious speech. May I come and sit at your feet and
>>>>>learn netiquette from you?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>First,  you must cite your credentials---and if they don't include
>>>>credentials from the State of MIssouri, then I'm sorry, it's hopeless.
>>>>
>>>>cwv
>>>>
>>>>
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>


--
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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Rita Chapman writes,
>
>>        Pete, can I sit at your feet and learn netiquette?  Pretty
>> please?
>
>
> Child, you know not of whom you ask.
>
> Pete, phatically


        LOL ;).



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Ahh, <There's> the love!
clo
'night, all!

Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> > Peter Kaminski wrote:
> >
> > >Rita Chapman writes,
> > >
> > >>       Pete, can I sit at your feet and learn netiquette?  Pretty
> > >>please?
> > >
> > >
> > >Child, you know not of whom you ask.
> > >
> > >Pete, phatically
> >
> >
> >        LOL ;).
>
> That's why I LOVE Pete! :-)))))))

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>>>I know "gism" as a bound morpheme but not as a free morpheme.
>
>> I'm all for free morphemes.
>
>Free The Morphemes!!!!
>
>Karen

Better yet, "Free the Bound Morphemes!"

I have a t-shirt that I bought at ALA that says "Free the Bound
Periodicals!"  Every time someone who sees it laughs, I have a pretty good
idea what sort of place they work at.

Ken Miller
Weinstein School of Framejacking Studies
The Lostin Times

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>>  > Slang for "jism."
>>
>>Don't know that word either.
>
>RTFD.
>
>Janet

Jism is slang too.  Whether or not you find it in your FD depends on which
FD you have at hand.

I don't know whether or not it's regional, and don't have DARE at hand, but
if it is, that would explain why Natalie doesn't know the word.

Ken Miller
Assistant Drone
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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 9:20:01 PM, Bookrat wrote:
> I have a t-shirt that I bought at ALA that says "Free the Bound
> Periodicals!"  Every time someone who sees it laughs, I have a pretty good
> idea what sort of place they work at.

I dunno. I'd laugh if I saw it, and I'm not even working.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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> PS: This restaurant also features "Malta India" and though it

Goya Malta is better.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com
who wonders if they make diet Malta

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>> Aha.  Now I understand the difference between Syracuse and Austin.  The day
>> before yesterday the high was 10 and it was snowing. Brrrrrrrrr!
>
>> And yesterday was absolutely spring-like. It smelled like spring, it
>> looked like spring, everyone was smiling...  The high was 39.
>
>I hate these 30+ degree swings. They suck no matter what the
>temps are.
>
>Karen

Global warming.  Gotta love it.  After all, it's not like you have a choice.

Ken Miller
Mandelbrot School of Chaotic Studies

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I went to check on the cat before I went to bed and SOMETHING WAS
EATING ITS FOOD. And it wasn't the cat--the cat was on the chair.

It was a HUGE opossum!

I don't think I've ever seen one before. Certainly not in my
yard. They waddle pretty fast.

I knew *some*thing was eating the food and it wasn't the cat.
She's a modest eater, and pretty skinny.

Karen
"I am, we are,
Who can distinguish us?"
 --Deena Metzger

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At 08:54 PM 3/5/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Tushar Samant wrote:
>
>>02003-03-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>
>>>Furthermore, you'll have to wait a day or two for more hate
>>>because I just repented and stuff tonight.  But I do hope
>>>you're not one of those sucky International Library of Poets
>>>type poets who writes oh-so-clever verse about spring in the
>>>shape of a tulip because you're just a huge fan of e. e.
>>>cummings, because then I would need to begin sinning again
>>>right away.  But if you're a Bobo Barnes and Noble workshop
>>>type poet, then I'll just pass you off to Tushar for the
>>>necessary dose of hate.
>>
>>There is no hate in this heart. Sorry.
>
>
>        You're being Lutheran.

Hey!  What do you have against Lutherans?

Betty

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02003-03-05 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> > PS: This restaurant also features "Malta India" and though it
>
> Goya Malta is better.

Haven't tried it ... it's not the kind of thing you actively seek
out after all

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02003-03-05 | Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> writes:
> >> Aha.  Now I understand the difference between Syracuse and Austin.  The day
> >> before yesterday the high was 10 and it was snowing. Brrrrrrrrr!
> >
> >> And yesterday was absolutely spring-like. It smelled like spring, it
> >> looked like spring, everyone was smiling...  The high was 39.
> >
> >I hate these 30+ degree swings. They suck no matter what the
> >temps are.
> >
> >Karen
>
> Global warming.  Gotta love it.  After all, it's not like you have a choice.
>
> Ken Miller
> Mandelbrot School of Chaotic Studies

All 30+ degree swings I have seen in Chicago were intensely beautiful.
K*R*N needs to get with the life-enjoyment program, really.

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>According to The Bat!, your e-mail was created at 3:53 and sent
>at 3:51. Someone's clock is off.
>
>Karen

Jeez, K*R*N, I know I have a reputation as a time wonk, but I have never
bugged anyone else about a difference of two minutes, unless a server is
involved.

Ken Miller
Gallifrey School of Time Management

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>>>Ooh, now they are 3 minutes off!
>
>> Can you say "anal compulsive"?
>
>I can--but I would never have noticed if The Bat! didn't sort by
>date created. Sometimes my replies to Doris post before she
>writes her original post.:) And I wondered why... Or is the
>wondering part why I'm anal compulsive?
>
>Karen

Tell The Bat! to sort by time received.  You can save your anal
compulsivity for more important things.  Or, rather, I suppose that should
be "for less important things".

If you can't tell The Bat! To Sort! By Time Received! then get a real MUA.

Ken Miller
Gallifrey School of Time Management

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-03-05 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
= > In a message dated 03/05/2003 3:52:43 AM Central Standard Time,
= > stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:
= >
= > <<
= > He doesn't do it to my face.  He just spells Stephanie
= > "Stefanie".  So mostly it would be like spelling Tushar "Tusar"
= > (and I could pull this trick with his name too).
= >
= > >>
= >
= > Do so.
=
= I would recommend the opposite. Do absolutely nothing. Who cares?

Well, I guess it irks me like it irks you having people talk in
the men's room.  It irks me enough to mention it here, but I
really wouldn't do anything about it.

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= Why is
= it that wordslers can blow off typos, mistakes in spelling, punctuation,
= and word use (let alone logic) with total equanimity (or terminal
= smugness--take your choice), yet tie their knickers in a Gordian knot
= because somebody's post indicates a faulty or mis-adjusted clock?
= cwv

Because.

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Tushar Samant:
= Note: this is a typically corny observation but I am posting it in
= case K-R-N *LOVES* it with a "!!!" following, or goes "LOL" or decides
= to call me her Evil Quadrapopulet ... and the observation is: if a
= restaurant is being run by a family, with several of our Latina sisters
= waiting, go ahead and eat and drink everything in sight. They will not
= only not mind, they will be entertained. For example, I stopped at my
= favorite restaurant the other night in preparation of a musical enter-
= tainment--by the way, it is mentioned before Buck's Woodside on this
= page: <http://dropby.com/>--and there being nothing to stop me, I got
= myself the guisado of bacalao--words encrypted to prevent Espen etc
= from starting--a mountain of rice and a big ass side of garlickified
= tostones. The excellence of this simple food kept me from stopping until
= it was all gone, but the lady who brought it could not see my point of
= view. When she saw the licked-clean plates, she practically had to lean
= on the bar due to a weakness induced by all-encompassing mirth. Then she
= asked me if I wanted more fish, since I was obviously very VERY hungry,
= and another lady sitting at the next table joined in the general laughter.
= However, I was neither testy nor flushed with shame, because hey, I was
= PAYING. While I was leaving I heard a recurrence of the mirth.
=
= Similar events constantly happen in resaurants of a similar nature.
=
= Thank you

You're welcome.

BTW, bacalao is trendy.  It's cod.  Eat it before it's gone.

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Bookrat wrote:

> I don't know whether or not it's regional, and don't have DARE at hand, but
> if it is, that would explain why Natalie doesn't know the word.

I am sure that there are many non-regional words that I don't know.
Speaking of DARE, I was tempted to say yes to a request not long ago to
review its latest volume for a journal since it would've been nice to
get the free copy.  But I stuck to my resolve to just say no to all
research/publication-related requests.  I'm finding it easier and easier
to say no to such stuff.  Maybe I will soon be really, truly retired.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> It was a HUGE opossum!

Do Texans say "opossum," or is that left from your Midwestern origins?

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Betty wrote:

> Hey!  What do you have against Lutherans?

I'm still pondering whether to hop over from Meridian to Smith County on
my way down to the coast Saturday and look for the old Mt. Zion Lutheran
cemetery or whether to wait and do that at the end of the trip.
Probably I should wait and do it on a weekday so I can poke around in
the little public library in the county seat.

--
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Betty wrote:

> At 08:54 PM 3/5/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>> 02003-03-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>> Furthermore, you'll have to wait a day or two for more hate
>>>> because I just repented and stuff tonight.  But I do hope
>>>> you're not one of those sucky International Library of Poets
>>>> type poets who writes oh-so-clever verse about spring in the
>>>> shape of a tulip because you're just a huge fan of e. e.
>>>> cummings, because then I would need to begin sinning again
>>>> right away.  But if you're a Bobo Barnes and Noble workshop
>>>> type poet, then I'll just pass you off to Tushar for the
>>>> necessary dose of hate.
>>>
>>>
>>> There is no hate in this heart. Sorry.
>>
>>
>>
>>        You're being Lutheran.
>
>
> Hey!  What do you have against Lutherans?


        They canceled school again yesterday!  But I got ashes at a
Lutheran church last night since we're doing Lent with the
Lutherans again this year.




--
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Peter Kaminski wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Rita Chapman writes,
>>>
>>>
>>>>      Pete, can I sit at your feet and learn netiquette?  Pretty
>>>>please?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Child, you know not of whom you ask.
>>>
>>>Pete, phatically
>>>
>>
>>       LOL ;).
>>
>
> That's why I LOVE Pete! :-)))))))
>


        You do not love Pete.  You're not fooling anyone.




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13:10 28.02.2003 -0600 skrev Doris Markland:
>Anyway I had picked one picture out of
>my files to practice on and this happened to
>be the one..  It is me in 1948.
>
>      http://www.incolor.inebraska.com/dmarkld

And what a great picture!

I will try to get some pictures out on the web RSN but I have been down with some kind of flu since last Friday and go to Rana (far Borth on Sunday) so it may have to wait until next weekend.

Espen

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>02003-03-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>02003-03-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Furthermore, you'll have to wait a day or two for more hate
>>>>>>because I just repented and stuff tonight.  But I do hope
>>>>>>you're not one of those sucky International Library of Poets
>>>>>>type poets who writes oh-so-clever verse about spring in the
>>>>>>shape of a tulip because you're just a huge fan of e. e.
>>>>>>cummings, because then I would need to begin sinning again
>>>>>>right away.  But if you're a Bobo Barnes and Noble workshop
>>>>>>type poet, then I'll just pass you off to Tushar for the
>>>>>>necessary dose of hate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>There is no hate in this heart. Sorry.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>     You're being Lutheran.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Thanks. Now fuck off.
>>>
>>
>>       You will not melt my heart with such sweet nothings, Tushar.
>> I mean it.  I am a stone to you, you cheater.
>>
>
> LOL.
>
> I knew you were my evil nonuplet!


        Flattery will get you nowhere, my bald doppelganger.


> So "Rita", rumors are that you are a ch*k and are cute--what can
> I say to this bar-tender so she may know I am frequently sober
> and will willingly accept her embraces? It doesn't have to be
> in the form of a E. E. Cumming's poem. The way she was reading
> "The Onion" subtly ignoring me the whole time tells me there's
> a LOT going on ...


        Only Dan Lester thinks I'm cute, and you know what that
means.  I think we need to arrange a deprogramming
kidnapping for you right away.  It may already be too late.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Bookrat wrote:

>Jism is slang too.  Whether or not you find it in your FD depends on which
>FD you have at hand.
>
>I don't know whether or not it's regional, and don't have DARE at hand, but
>if it is, that would explain why Natalie doesn't know the word.

But I have known it all my adult life - if it's regional, and I know
it, then N. should know it too.

Bethany

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07:26 01.03.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Doris Markland wrote:
>> > > Doris has got the pimp juice!
>> >
>> > She had it then--but she's over 50 now!!!
>> >
>> > Karen
>>
>> What?  You think it just drains away???
>
>More likely gets used up.  But that raises the question of whether one
>can conserve it -- whether using less of it early means more of it is
>still around later.

A propos: I just saw the first episode in the (for me) new Absolutely Fabulous series.

Espen

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>But at least it wasn't Oklahoma, famous to me for being the
>place I found out Elvis was dead and narrowly escaped a
>beating for not being sufficiently sorrowful, so what the hey.
>clo

I was in San Raphael, California when I heard that news.  I read it out to
Clyde.  He said "Another drug addict bites the dust."  Not a single person
in Marin County even blinked.


    --bonniev

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23:03 01.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>I taped this on TV tonight. What a well-designed movie this is!

Yes. And I once (in Vienna) saw it dubbed in German. That was strange, especially here where there is supoosed to be a lot of people markeing themselves as German by there accent when they speak English.

Espen

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05:57 02.03.2003 -0800 skrev Betty:
>At 11:13 PM 3/1/2003 -0500, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>>In a message dated 03/01/2003 9:59:28 PM Central Standard Time,
>>bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
>>
>><<
>>What is an attack cabbit?
>>
>>>>
>>
>>Ryo-Ohki, part cat and part rabbit.  Loves carrots and can convert
>>into a spaceship.   www.cabbit.com.
>
>That would be handy.  Maybe Espen should breed his rabbit with a cat!

He is already working his way through walss etc. just with his teeth. I don't wnt to add cats claws.

Espen

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11:11 04.03.2003 -0600 skrev C.Q. Featherstonehaugh:
>> Paging Neal Traven. Richard Scheidt?
>
>Is this the first exposure to Pynchon?  If
>so, that's a tough order.  Start simpler,
>and kinda learn his sense of humor.

Starting with The Crying of Lot 49? I first read V - by accident - I didn't know anything about Pynchon, I just wanted a thick book to read on my way to Crete and this looked interesting. And it was.

Espen

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19:48 04.03.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>|How did humble sardines get so hip?
>
>More at http://www.msnbc.com/news/879544.asp

And then there are the norwegian (non-)sardines.

Espen

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08:37 05.03.2003 -0500 skrev Marie Ascher:
>It's raining again, and I say keep it coming. Be gone, Snow! I am finished
>with Winter. Bring grass, daffodils, crocuses. The world has been white for
>too long!

And we have had more snow for a couple of days.

Espen

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>From: Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO>
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>08:37 05.03.2003 -0500 skrev Marie Ascher:
> >It's raining again, and I say keep it coming. Be gone, Snow! I am
>finished
> >with Winter. Bring grass, daffodils, crocuses. The world has been white
>for
> >too long!
>
>And we have had more snow for a couple of days.

Alas, it is snowing here again too...we will definitely have a White
SnowBash.

Marie

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When I started to get better yesterday I tried to translate some 1930ies Rembetika (Hey. Rita) from a CD with old recordings by Roza Eskenazy. My fairly rough translations into Norwegian still meant that i had to do some almost serious work. This was when I finaly needed my fairly thick monlingual (Modern) Greek dictionary - Ingjerd laughet at me for carrying a couple of extra kilograms on our travels in Greece in 2000 after I bought the dictionary in our friendly neighbourhodd bookstore in Koukaki, Athens. But in the Rembetika (and related songs) there are many words partly out of use now, partly still very much coming from the general Turkish Empire kind of culture. (Apart from this there is also a lot of subculture jargon or slang in Rembetika texts). This was fun - I would like to have more time for this kind of work!

Espen

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Bethany K. Dumas:
= On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Bookrat wrote:
=
= >Jism is slang too.  Whether or not you find it in your FD depends on which
= >FD you have at hand.
= >
= >I don't know whether or not it's regional, and don't have DARE at hand, but
= >if it is, that would explain why Natalie doesn't know the word.
=
= But I have known it all my adult life - if it's regional, and I know
= it, then N. should know it too.
=

That would be optimistic.

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>
>At 05:09 PM 3/5/2003 -0600, kare'n wrote:
>>I can--but I would never have noticed if The Bat! didn't sort by
>>date created. Sometimes my replies to Doris post before she
>>writes her original post.:) And I wondered why... Or is the
>>wondering part why I'm anal compulsive?
>
>What started me off is this (and it's not directed solely at
>you):  Why is
>it that wordslers can blow off typos, mistakes in spelling,
>punctuation,
>and word use (let alone logic) with total equanimity (or terminal
>smugness--take your choice), yet tie their knickers in a Gordian knot
>because somebody's post indicates a faulty or mis-adjusted
>clock?  Is there
>anything on words-l that is that goddamned important with respect to
>time?  If you can't sort out the sequencing of events (or
>posts), you are
>pretty much hopeless and maybe you ought to opt for the
>off-planet alternative.
>
>cwv
>

You go boy!! GO!


alec

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At 05:16 AM 3/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Bookrat wrote:
>
> > I don't know whether or not it's regional, and don't have DARE at hand, but
> > if it is, that would explain why Natalie doesn't know the word.
>
>I am sure that there are many non-regional words that I don't know.
>Speaking of DARE, I was tempted to say yes to a request not long ago to
>review its latest volume for a journal since it would've been nice to
>get the free copy.  But I stuck to my resolve to just say no to all
>research/publication-related requests.  I'm finding it easier and easier
>to say no to such stuff.  Maybe I will soon be really, truly retired.

Good for you!

Yay!

Release Your Inner Lizard!

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At 05:23 AM 3/6/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Hey!  What do you have against Lutherans?
>
>I'm still pondering whether to hop over from Meridian to Smith County on
>my way down to the coast Saturday and look for the old Mt. Zion Lutheran
>cemetery or whether to wait and do that at the end of the trip.
>Probably I should wait and do it on a weekday so I can poke around in
>the little public library in the county seat.

I'd rather poke around cemeteries.

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Karen:

> > Do you think you may have to?  The creditors coming after you?

>Not yet. I'm living off my retirement money for the moment.

oh, no, what happened to the conflict resolution gig? And the roomie?

-rashmi


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For those interested, phosphorus comes as a white powder in a little
foil bag. Two a day. Mix with water and it turns pink and tastes like
some vague sort of juice. One month supply $37.29.
--
alyce

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 9:57:30 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> For those interested, phosphorus comes as a white powder in a little
> foil bag. Two a day. Mix with water and it turns pink and tastes like
> some vague sort of juice. One month supply $37.29.

But if it gives you some energy back, it's worth it.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 10:13:21 AM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Karen:
>> > Do you think you may have to?  The creditors coming after you?

>>Not yet. I'm living off my retirement money for the moment.

> oh, no, what happened to the conflict resolution gig? And the roomie?

The conflict resolution stuff is done. But that's only one
month's mortgage, and the mortgage has to be paid every month.
The housemate pays 1/3 of my mortgage, but I have other
expenses--like electricity, water, and cat food.

If Bush had come through for me, I would still have my retirement
money.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Published on Thursday, March 6, 2003 by the Toronto Star
       Peace Activist Implores Pope to be 'Ultimate
       Human Shield'
       'Only person' who can stop Iraq war
       Helen Caldicott sets up campaign
       by Leslie Scrivener
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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> But if it gives you some energy back, it's worth it.

I would pay much more for some energy. I just went upstairs to wash my
hair. I am back downstairs, panting and exhausted. Had to stop to sit
down here before progressing to the bed. Handy layout here--computer is
halfway between kitchen/downstairs toilet and bed. So I always can rest
and talk to you, whichever way I am headed.

alyce
>


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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 10:44:27 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> But if it gives you some energy back, it's worth it.

> I would pay much more for some energy.

Yeah.

> I just went upstairs to wash my hair. I am back downstairs,
> panting and exhausted. Had to stop to sit down here before
> progressing to the bed. Handy layout here--computer is halfway
> between kitchen/downstairs toilet and bed. So I always can rest
> and talk to you, whichever way I am headed.

And we are such good company.:) I like this setup.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 6:57:57 AM, Espen Ore wrote:
> 23:03 01.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>>I taped this on TV tonight. What a well-designed movie this is!

> Yes. And I once (in Vienna) saw it dubbed in German. That was
> strange, especially here where there is supoosed to be a lot of
> people markeing themselves as German by there accent when they
> speak English.

This would be weird.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 5:18:43 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> It was a HUGE opossum!

> Do Texans say "opossum," or is that left from your Midwestern origins?

I don't know; having never seen one before (they look like a
GIANT RAT), I have never said the word out loud. Don't remember
hearing it either.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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Karen:

>The conflict resolution stuff is done. But that's only one

I thought that was longer-term.

>month's mortgage, and the mortgage has to be paid every month.
>The housemate pays 1/3 of my mortgage, but I have other
>expenses--like electricity, water, and cat food.

>If Bush had come through for me, I would still have my retirement
>money.

:-( I worry about you, Karen.

-rashmi



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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 12:04:52 AM, Bookrat wrote:
> Tell The Bat! to sort by time received.  You can save your anal
> compulsivity for more important things.  Or, rather, I suppose that should
> be "for less important things".

LOL

> If you can't tell The Bat! To Sort! By Time Received! then get a real MUA.

Oh, it will sort by anything--all I have to do is click.

> Gallifrey School of Time Management

Who is Gallifrey?

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 11:11:08 AM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>>The conflict resolution stuff is done. But that's only one

> I thought that was longer-term.

Nope. I think that this woman will be a source of more work, but
I won't know for sure till I see some more.

> :-( I worry about you, Karen.

Thank you. Me, too!

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:51:23 PM, Bookrat wrote:
> Global warming.  Gotta love it.  After all, it's not like you have a choice.

Love is always a choice.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 11:37:44 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> All 30+ degree swings I have seen in Chicago were intensely beautiful.
> K*R*N needs to get with the life-enjoyment program, really.

I am enjoying today. It's 51 degrees, on the way to 60, and we
have lots of 75 degree days in the 7-day forecast.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Natalie:
> Yes. p->mc2 (that 2 is supposed to be superscript)

p = m * pow (c, 2);

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espen:
> Starting with The Crying of Lot 49?

...as long as the newbie realizes it's the
last straightup Pynchon thing he'll ever see.

> I first read V - by accident -

<aol>Me, too</aol>, but Gravity's Rainbow
was self-inflicted.

>I just wanted a thick book to read on my way to Crete

My excuse was jury duty.

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Oh.... doesn't know Gallifrey....
what kind of people am I consorting with?
clo

Karen Kay wrote:

> Thursday, March 6, 2003, 12:04:52 AM, Bookrat wrote:
> > Tell The Bat! to sort by time received.  You can save your anal
> > compulsivity for more important things.  Or, rather, I suppose that should
> > be "for less important things".
>
> LOL
>
> > If you can't tell The Bat! To Sort! By Time Received! then get a real MUA.
>
> Oh, it will sort by anything--all I have to do is click.
>
> > Gallifrey School of Time Management
>
> Who is Gallifrey?
>
> Karen
> "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
> cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>  --Shinzen Young

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>Why would it be better to wait until late summer?

Travel plans and stuff.

Marie

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alyce:
>Peace Activist Implores Pope to be 'Ultimate Human Shield'

Ooh!  Do we all get to nominate someone?

>'Only person' who can stop Iraq war

Well, *that* is quite an overstatement.

--
Richard   50 years, 1 day, and counting. Someone check the grave.

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Correction :
[errata: Oh.... doesn't know Gallifrey....
what kind of people am I consorting with?]

I should have said, "with what sort of people am I consorting?".

Karen,
Gallifrey is the homeworld of the Timelords, including Dr. Who.
clo

Karen Kay wrote:

> Thursday, March 6, 2003, 12:04:52 AM, Bookrat wrote:
> > Tell The Bat! to sort by time received.  You can save your anal
> > compulsivity for more important things.  Or, rather, I suppose that should
> > be "for less important things".
>
> LOL
>
> > If you can't tell The Bat! To Sort! By Time Received! then get a real MUA.
>
> Oh, it will sort by anything--all I have to do is click.
>
> > Gallifrey School of Time Management
>
> Who is Gallifrey?
>
> Karen
> "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
> cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>  --Shinzen Young

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 11:23:40 AM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Karen,
> Gallifrey is the homeworld of the Timelords, including Dr. Who.

Ah. Thank you.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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I nominate Rita to tell Bush to "fuck off!" (or Peter)
clo

"C.Q. Featherstonehaugh" wrote:

> alyce:
> >Peace Activist Implores Pope to be 'Ultimate Human Shield'
>
> Ooh!  Do we all get to nominate someone?
>
> >'Only person' who can stop Iraq war
>
> Well, *that* is quite an overstatement.
>
> --
> Richard   50 years, 1 day, and counting. Someone check the grave.

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 11:23:41 AM, C.Q. Featherstonehaugh wrote:
> alyce:
>>Peace Activist Implores Pope to be 'Ultimate Human Shield'

> Ooh!  Do we all get to nominate someone?

Who would you nominate?

>>'Only person' who can stop Iraq war

> Well, *that* is quite an overstatement.

I would nominate Shrub.

> Richard   50 years, 1 day, and counting. Someone check the grave.

50 was a good year--for the first month. Then I lost my job and
the Hard Times (tm) started...

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Karen:
> I would nominate Shrub.

I'd nominate you finding a new disparaging
name for POTUS with these suggestions:

1) seems original
2) seems clever, at least the first time you hear it

"Shrub" reminds me of the Simpsons barbershop
singing episode, where they needed a name "that
sounds clever at first but gets more annoying
every time you hear it".

--
Coney Island Baby (Lou Reed version)

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Karen Kay:
= Thursday, March 6, 2003, 5:18:43 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= > Karen Kay wrote:
= >> It was a HUGE opossum!
=
= > Do Texans say "opossum," or is that left from your Midwestern origins?
=
= I don't know; having never seen one before (they look like a
= GIANT RAT), I have never said the word out loud. Don't remember
= hearing it either.
=

Now, that is mutant.  Certainly you've heard of possums before.

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Carolyn Ostrander:
= Correction :
= [errata: Oh.... doesn't know Gallifrey....
= what kind of people am I consorting with?]
=
= I should have said, "with what sort of people am I consorting?".
=

No, you shouldn't.

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 11:31:42 AM, steph wrote:
> Karen Kay:
> = Thursday, March 6, 2003, 5:18:43 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= >> Karen Kay wrote:
= >>> It was a HUGE opossum!
> =
= >> Do Texans say "opossum," or is that left from your Midwestern origins?
> =
> = I don't know; having never seen one before (they look like a
> = GIANT RAT), I have never said the word out loud. Don't remember
> = hearing it either.
> =

> Now, that is mutant.  Certainly you've heard of possums before.

Yes, but only read about them. Maybe I'm seen them on TV or in a
zoo. Never in my yard before.

Whoops--I know the expression 'playing possum'. I may have
heard/said that. But that's different from the GIANT RAT itself.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 11:35:38 AM, C.Q. Featherstonehaugh wrote:
> "Shrub" reminds me of the Simpsons barbershop
> singing episode, where they needed a name "that
> sounds clever at first but gets more annoying
> every time you hear it".

Well, I'll certainly bow to your wishes.

Not.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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When he first made the move to claim presidency after losing
the election, I began to look for just such an epithet. Searching
my meagre knowledge of similar historical events, I remembered
a man who
a) was named George,
b) was extremely unpopular because he came to power in spite
of someone else having a better claim <and> being better qualified,
c) let his ministers set policy instead of thinking independently,
d) was "Unfamiliar with the customs of the country"
(eg democracy)
and e) "lacking fluent English"
<http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page106.asp>

So I call him EG, Elector George.
clo

"C.Q. Featherstonehaugh" wrote:

> Karen:
> > I would nominate Shrub.
>
> I'd nominate you finding a new disparaging
> name for POTUS with these suggestions:
>
> 1) seems original
> 2) seems clever, at least the first time you hear it
>
> "Shrub" reminds me of the Simpsons barbershop
> singing episode, where they needed a name "that
> sounds clever at first but gets more annoying
> every time you hear it".
>
> --
> Coney Island Baby (Lou Reed version)

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02003-03-06 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-03-05 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> = > stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:
> = >
> = > <<
> = > He doesn't do it to my face.  He just spells Stephanie
> = > "Stefanie".  So mostly it would be like spelling Tushar "Tusar"
> = > (and I could pull this trick with his name too).
> = >
> = > >>
> = >
> = > Do so.
> =
> = I would recommend the opposite. Do absolutely nothing. Who cares?
>
> Well, I guess it irks me like it irks you having people talk in
> the men's room.  It irks me enough to mention it here, but I
> really wouldn't do anything about it.

Fine.

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At 06:31 PM 3/6/2003 +0100, steph wrote:
>Karen Kay:
>= Thursday, March 6, 2003, 5:18:43 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>= > Karen Kay wrote:
>= >> It was a HUGE opossum!
>=
>= > Do Texans say "opossum," or is that left from your Midwestern origins?
>=
>= I don't know; having never seen one before (they look like a
>= GIANT RAT), I have never said the word out loud. Don't remember
>= hearing it either.
>=
>
>Now, that is mutant.  Certainly you've heard of possums before.


Redneck luau:  a six pack and a 'possum.

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> Well, I'll certainly bow to your wishes.

Whatever.  I suppose it could be worse.

You could have chosen Andrei Codrescu as
your ghostwriter.

--
Richard   50 years, 1 day, and counting. Someone check the grave.

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02003-03-06 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>Peter Kaminski wrote:
> >>>Rita Chapman writes,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Pete, can I sit at your feet and learn netiquette?  Pretty please?
> >>>
> >>>Child, you know not of whom you ask.
> >>>
> >>>Pete, phatically
> >>
> >>      LOL ;).
> >
> >That's why I LOVE Pete! :-)))))))
>
>        You do not love Pete.  You're not fooling anyone.

"Rita",

Hiding jealousy is an art we should all learn.

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02003-03-06 | "C.Q. Featherstonehaugh" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> Natalie:
> > Yes. p->mc2 (that 2 is supposed to be superscript)
>
> p = m * pow (c, 2);

NERD BOY HAS SPOKEN

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02003-03-06 | "C.Q. Featherstonehaugh" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> Karen:
> > I would nominate Shrub.
>
> I'd nominate you finding a new disparaging
> name for POTUS with these suggestions:
>
> 1) seems original
> 2) seems clever, at least the first time you hear it
>
> "Shrub" reminds me of the Simpsons barbershop
> singing episode, where they needed a name "that
> sounds clever at first but gets more annoying
> every time you hear it".

I don't even know what it means--it just sounded kind of stupid
to me the first time I heard it, and I didn't really try to find
out ...

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> SAY SOMETHING!!!
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

  GO CATS!  (25-3; 15-0 SEC)  BEAT FLORIDA!

brad

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> When he first made the move to claim presidency
> after losing the election,

** YAWN **

--
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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Oh.... doesn't know Gallifrey....
> what kind of people am I consorting with?

    You might well ask.

JMW

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> I nominate Rita to tell Bush to "fuck off!" (or Peter)

I volunteer. He is having a press conference tonight at 8 pm est. CNN is
carrying it; don't know about networks. He has had only one telecast
press conference till now, I think. Wonder if the questions need to be
pre-approved.

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Carolyn writes,

>So I call him EG, Elector George.

Not bad, but a bit geeky.  "King George" is better -- less hoity toity, and
has revolutionary resonance.

(You can even call him George III, if you count his g-g-grandfather, George
Herbert Walker, 1875-1953.)

Pete

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yeah, you're right - my thought was that some people back
then refused to call him King because they didn't acknowledge
his claim - continued to call him Elector to underscore the point.

Still, what's historical accuracy compared to evocative effect?
clo

Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Carolyn writes,
>
> >So I call him EG, Elector George.
>
> Not bad, but a bit geeky.  "King George" is better -- less hoity toity, and
> has revolutionary resonance.
>
> (You can even call him George III, if you count his g-g-grandfather, George
> Herbert Walker, 1875-1953.)
>
> Pete

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=
= Whoops--I know the expression 'playing possum'. I may have
= heard/said that. But that's different from the GIANT RAT itself.
=

Marsupial.

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Carolyn writes,

>Still, what's historical accuracy compared to evocative effect?

Depends on the situation, of course.  It is currently a time of
evocation-over-truth, unfortunately.

Pete

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 12:35:20 PM, steph wrote:

> =
> = Whoops--I know the expression 'playing possum'. I may have
> = heard/said that. But that's different from the GIANT RAT itself.
> =

> Marsupial.

Details, schmetails.


Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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I thought she was calling <you> a marsupial!
clo

Karen Kay wrote:

> Thursday, March 6, 2003, 12:35:20 PM, steph wrote:
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> > = Whoops--I know the expression 'playing possum'. I may have
> > = heard/said that. But that's different from the GIANT RAT itself.
> > =
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> > Marsupial.
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> Details, schmetails.

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We've had them around from time to time. They are very rattish - not only in
appearance but also in disposition.  If it was eating from kitty's food dish, I can
understand why she was sitting in the chair and giving it lots of room.

BrP




> Thursday, March 6, 2003, 12:35:20 PM, steph wrote:
>
> > =
> > = Whoops--I know the expression 'playing possum'. I may have
> > = heard/said that. But that's different from the GIANT RAT itself.
> > =
>
> > Marsupial.
>
> Details, schmetails.
>
>
> Karen

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LOL!

I can understand, given the <habits> of this list, why you would think that.


thinking of "marsupial" as an epithet - what qualities would a person have to have to
qualify to be so called?


BrP




> I thought she was calling <you> a marsupial!
> clo
>
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Thursday, March 6, 2003, 12:35:20 PM, steph wrote:
> >
> > > = Whoops--I know the expression 'playing possum'. I may have
> > > = heard/said that. But that's different from the GIANT RAT itself.
> > > =
> >
> > > Marsupial.
> >
> > Details, schmetails.

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 1:07:34 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> We've had them around from time to time. They are very rattish - not only in
> appearance but also in disposition.  If it was eating from kitty's food dish, I can
> understand why she was sitting in the chair and giving it lots of room.

That's good to know. I guess I'm just going to have to feed my
cat earlier in the day.

I put some canned mackerel out for the cat, but she didn't run
for it. However, it disappeared. So I put out some more--and
THAT disappeared. I guess this is one well-fed possum!:(

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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They're nocturnal aren't they?  Perhaps giving kitty breakfast instead of dinner would be
a good idea - unless you''re nocturnal as well.

:-)

BrP

-who considers 7 am to be the middle of the day



> Thursday, March 6, 2003, 1:07:34 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > We've had them around from time to time. They are very rattish - not only in
> > appearance but also in disposition.  If it was eating from kitty's food dish, I can
> > understand why she was sitting in the chair and giving it lots of room.
>
> That's good to know. I guess I'm just going to have to feed my
> cat earlier in the day.
>
> I put some canned mackerel out for the cat, but she didn't run
> for it. However, it disappeared. So I put out some more--and
> THAT disappeared. I guess this is one well-fed possum!:(
>
> Karen
> "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
> cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>  --Shinzen Young

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 1:16:32 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> They're nocturnal aren't they?  Perhaps giving kitty breakfast instead of dinner would be
> a good idea - unless you''re nocturnal as well.

> :-)

> BrP

> -who considers 7 am to be the middle of the day

Well, you're right. I've been providing a lot more food than I
probably need to because I've been feeding the fat cat across the
street plus the opossum (and probably the whole honking family!).

She's a skinny cat.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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is Google all about Michelangelo today?

Karen
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Who can distinguish us?"
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Karen writes,

>is Google all about Michelangelo today?

It's his birthday.

Pete

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 1:36:08 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Karen writes,
>>is Google all about Michelangelo today?

> It's his birthday.

Thank you. I hope Google will be all about me on my birthday!

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
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On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, steph wrote:

>= >I don't know whether or not it's regional, and don't have DARE at hand, but
>= >if it is, that would explain why Natalie doesn't know the word.
>=
>= But I have known it all my adult life - if it's regional, and I know
>= it, then N. should know it too.
>=
>
>That would be optimistic.

That would be me.

Bethany

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> When he first made the move to claim presidency after losing
> the election,

    Them seven recounts didn't do it for ya, huh?

>Tusar:


> I don't even know what it means--it just sounded kind of stupid
> to me the first time I heard it, and I didn't really try to find
> out ...
>
    Its from Molly Ivins, which explains the "stupid" part.

JMW

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Oh, I thought I specified the time period... I was recounting
one woman's attempt to provide a counterweight to "shrub".
clo


John Williams wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > When he first made the move to claim presidency after losing
> > the election,
>
>     Them seven recounts didn't do it for ya, huh?

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02003-03-06 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> is Google all about Michelangelo today?

Just click on it ... sheeze again

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 2:16:20 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-06 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> is Google all about Michelangelo today?

> Just click on it ... sheeze again

I did. It returns a google search on michelangelo. Duh. Nothing
about why the logo has michelangeo on it.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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Winter is such fun!

>
>SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
>NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOUNT HOLLY NJ
>200 PM EST THU MAR 6 2003
>
>TEMPERATURES WILL CONTINUE TO FALL...SO EVEN IN PLACES WHERE IT HAS
>BEEN JUST RAINING - THE DELMARVA PENINSULA AND EXTREME SOUTHEAST NEW
>JERSEY - STANDING WATER...SLUSH AND SNOW WILL FREEZE
>SOLID...ESPECIALLY ONCE THE SUN SETS. PLEASE PROCEED WITH CAUTION
>ESPECIALLY ON UNTREATED ROADWAYS. IN LOCATIONS WHERE SNOW AND SLEET
>HAVE ALREADY FELL UNTREATED WALKWAYS ALREADY ARE AND WILL ONLY
>BECOME MORE SLIPPERY AS THE AFTERNOON WEARS ON.
>
>ROADS...BRIDGES...AND OVERPASSES WILL BECOME SLICK AND HAZARDOUS.
>ACCUMULATION OF SNOW AND/OR ICE ON ROADWAYS...BRIDGES AND OVERPASSES
>WILL MAKE TRAVEL TREACHEROUS. EXERCISE CAUTION WHILE TRAVELING. DO
>NOT RUSH HOME THIS EVENING AND LEAVE PLENTY OF DISTANCE BETWEEN
>YOURSELF AND THE VEHICLES AROUND YOU.
>
>STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO...YOUR LOCAL RADIO OR TELEVISION
>STATIONS...OR YOUR CABLE TELEVISION OUTLET FOR FURTHER DETAILS OR
>UPDATES. YOU CAN ACCESS THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ON THE INTERNET
>AT THE FOLLOWING ADDRESS...WWW.ERH.NOAA.GOV/ER/PHI.
>

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 2:19:03 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> Winter is such fun!

It's 67 degrees!

>>TEMPERATURES WILL CONTINUE TO FALL...SO EVEN IN PLACES WHERE IT HAS
>>BEEN JUST RAINING - THE DELMARVA PENINSULA AND EXTREME SOUTHEAST NEW
>>JERSEY - STANDING WATER...SLUSH AND SNOW WILL FREEZE
>>SOLID...ESPECIALLY ONCE THE SUN SETS.

Bleah. Drive carefully, Alec.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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02003-03-06 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Thursday, March 6, 2003, 2:16:20 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-03-06 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> is Google all about Michelangelo today?
>
> > Just click on it ... sheeze again
>
> I did. It returns a google search on michelangelo. Duh. Nothing
> about why the logo has michelangeo on it.

Then click on the first hit.

Man some people haven't evolved a SINGLE Google habit after
all these years ... Dr Borkin would have evolved it in 3
femtoseconds

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Brad Grissom wrote:

>   GO CATS!  (25-3; 15-0 SEC)  BEAT FLORIDA!

Well, thank goodness!  Your silence had me worried.  You missed your
chance to talk basketball with me.  I've sworn off of it -- except that
the Lady Dawgs are doing great.  But we can talk about other things.

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Betty Clark wrote:
> >I'm still pondering whether to hop over from Meridian to Smith County on
> >my way down to the coast Saturday and look for the old Mt. Zion Lutheran
> >cemetery or whether to wait and do that at the end of the trip.
> >Probably I should wait and do it on a weekday so I can poke around in
> >the little public library in the county seat.
>
> I'd rather poke around cemeteries.

It's not an either-or thing.  It's just a when.  I've already got a
picture of my gg-grandfather's grave, though:
http://www.maynor.net/Genealogy/swit.html

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> is Google all about Michelangelo today?

Because it's his birthday.

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
> Winter is such fun!

It is snowing here--about two inches. Only 4-1/2 hours until Bush
answers questions.

alyce
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alyce cresap wrote:

> "Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
> >
> > Winter is such fun!

    My heart bleeds for you, alec.  It really does.
================================

> SOUTHWEST ARIZONA/SOUTHEAST CALIFORNIA FORECAST DISCUSSION
>               NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PHOENIX AZ
>               315 AM MST THU MAR 6 2003
>
>               .SYNOPSIS...
>               HIGH PRESSURE ALOFT WILL STRENGTHEN OVER THE DESERT SOUTHWEST THE
>               REMAINDER OF THIS WEEK...AND WITH AN EXCEPTION OF A DRY WEAK
>               DISTURBANCE MOVING ACROSS SOUTHERN ARIZONA AND NORTHERN MEXICO
>               DURING THE WEEKEND...THE HIGH PRESSURE WILL REMAIN STRONG INTO
>               THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK. THIS WILL ALLOW FOR TEMPERATURES TO WARM UP
>               SOME EACH DAY...ENDING UP WELL ABOVE NORMAL THIS WEEKEND WITH
>               CONTINUED ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK.
>               SOME OF THE WARMER TEMPERATURES COULD REACH INTO THE LOW AND MID 80S
>               DURING THAT PERIOD.
>

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steph wrote:

> = it, then N. should know it too.
>
> That would be optimistic.

?  So now I also have an exceptionally small vocabulary?  I'd always
assumed that it was at least of average size, perhaps larger than
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Betty Clark wrote:
>>  Maybe I will soon be really, truly retired.
>
> Good for you!

Have I mentioned that I still haven't been hired for this semester, even
though I've already turned in midterm grades?  The paperwork has been
slow.  Maybe I'll be hired by the time final grades are due.

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> "Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
> >
> > Winter is such fun!
>
> It is snowing here--about two inches. Only 4-1/2 hours until Bush
> answers questions.
>
> alyce
> --

and the snowjob will continue.

BrP

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On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:26:08 -0600, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
>Then click on the first hit.

But IMFTATL!

Which reminds me... What is the significance of a flag that is green, white,
and red stripes and says 1824 in the middle?

TYIA!

Karen the Quester

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alyce cresap wrote:
> He is having a press conference tonight at 8 pm est. CNN is
> carrying it; don't know about networks.

Uh oh.  Does anybody know about CBS?  I've just put a tape in the vcr to
tape "Survivor" in case I don't get home from the party by 7:00.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>Uh oh.  Does anybody know about CBS?  I've just put a tape in the vcr to
>tape "Survivor" in case I don't get home from the party by 7:00.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

CBS.com has a pop-up box telling us that their regularly scheduled
programming will air in its entirety after the President has addressed the
nation.


    --bonniev

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>
>
>Thursday, March 6, 2003, 2:19:03 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>> Winter is such fun!
>
>It's 67 degrees!
>
>>>TEMPERATURES WILL CONTINUE TO FALL...SO EVEN IN PLACES WHERE IT HAS
>>>BEEN JUST RAINING - THE DELMARVA PENINSULA AND EXTREME SOUTHEAST NEW
>>>JERSEY - STANDING WATER...SLUSH AND SNOW WILL FREEZE
>>>SOLID...ESPECIALLY ONCE THE SUN SETS.
>
>Bleah. Drive carefully, Alec.
>
>Karen

No driving, just walking across campus to the train. Train to home and a 10
minute walk home. YakTrax are helpful. Who ever mentioned it, I owe you many
beers or your poison of choice.


alec

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
>>I nominate Rita to tell Bush to "fuck off!" (or Peter)
>>
>
> I volunteer. He is having a press conference tonight at 8 pm est. CNN is
> carrying it; don't know about networks. He has had only one telecast
> press conference till now, I think. Wonder if the questions need to be
> pre-approved.
>


        It is good that clo has unearthed all this hidden talent on
the <service>.  Who knew we had such a remarkable collection
of fuckeroffers?




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 15:11:54 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Thursday, March 6, 2003, 3:06:28 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        Cheaper than my meds that *are* covered.
>>
>
> Eek! What is your copay?!


        For this med, $50 for 30 pills.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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        Cheaper than my meds that *are* covered.

alyce cresap wrote:

> For those interested, phosphorus comes as a white powder in a little
> foil bag. Two a day. Mix with water and it turns pink and tastes like
> some vague sort of juice. One month supply $37.29.
> --
> alyce
>
>


--
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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 3:06:28 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         Cheaper than my meds that *are* covered.

Eek! What is your copay?!

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 3:11:08 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         It is good that clo has unearthed all this hidden talent on
> the <service>.  Who knew we had such a remarkable collection
> of fuckeroffers?

fuckeroffer offerers


Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 3:11:54 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Thursday, March 6, 2003, 3:06:28 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>        Cheaper than my meds that *are* covered.
>>>
>>
>> Eek! What is your copay?!


>         For this med, $50 for 30 pills.

Jesus H. Christ.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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bonniev wrote:

> CBS.com has a pop-up box telling us that their regularly scheduled
> programming will air in its entirety after the President has addressed the
> nation.

They must've just added that box.  I looked right after asking that
question and saw "Survivor" listed but nothing about Dubya.  This could
actually be convenient for me.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen writes,

>Which reminds me... What is the significance of a flag that is green, white,
>and red stripes and says 1824 in the middle?

IMFTATLs are no fun if you can turn them too easily into Google queries:
<http://www.google.com/search?q=flag+green+white+red+1824>

Pete

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=
= Jesus H. Christ.
=

Sometimes I say this, but apparently I more frequently just say
Jesus Christ, because one of the Dutch guys I work with swore
with it the other day.  That sure got my attention.

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Natalie Maynor:
= Betty Clark wrote:
= >>  Maybe I will soon be really, truly retired.
= >
= > Good for you!
=
= Have I mentioned that I still haven't been hired for this semester, even
= though I've already turned in midterm grades?  The paperwork has been
= slow.  Maybe I'll be hired by the time final grades are due.
=

Are you being paid?

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Natalie Maynor:
= steph wrote:
=
= > = it, then N. should know it too.
= >
= > That would be optimistic.
=
= ?  So now I also have an exceptionally small vocabulary?  I'd always
= assumed that it was at least of average size, perhaps larger than
= average.
=

I said nothing of the sort.  I said Bethany was being optimistic.

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>YakTrax are helpful. Who ever mentioned it, I owe you many
>beers or your poison of choice.     --alec

Bring a good quality Scotch with you to Acadiafest.


    --bonniev

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         Cheaper than my meds that *are* covered.

I have an $8.00 co-pay on meds. Even my inhaler things that are $95 or
so only cost me $8.00.

alyce

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In a message dated 03/06/2003 11:24:36 AM Central Standard Time,
clostran@SYR.EDU writes:

<<
Gallifrey is the homeworld of the Timelords, including Dr. Who.

>>

It was first presented in the time of the third Doctor, played by
Patrick Troughton.  The Doctor had to call them for help, even
though he was on the run from them because he had stolen
the TARDIS he was using.  As his punishment, he was banished
to Earth, the knowledge of time travel was wiped from his mind,
and he was regenerated into Jon Pertwee (my favorite of the
Doctors).

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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Do you absentmindedly put your glasses <anywhere> on your
person and then hunt the environment for them?
Do you stuff your pockets with kleenex, cough drops,
and paperback books in case you are separated from your
purse at a boring or sniffly time?
Do you carry spare everything in your backpack, so that <if>
disaster strikes, you will never have to try to get back into
your burning home?
Do you use your car as a rolling briefcase, library, suitcase,
or extremely large purse?

If so, you *may* be A Human Marsupial!!!!
clo

"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> LOL!
>
> I can understand, given the <habits> of this list, why you would think that.
>
> thinking of "marsupial" as an epithet - what qualities would a person have to have to
> qualify to be so called?
>
> BrP
>
> > I thought she was calling <you> a marsupial!
> > clo
> >
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > > Thursday, March 6, 2003, 12:35:20 PM, steph wrote:
> > >
> > > > = Whoops--I know the expression 'playing possum'. I may have
> > > > = heard/said that. But that's different from the GIANT RAT itself.
> > > > =
> > >
> > > > Marsupial.
> > >
> > > Details, schmetails.

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 3:31:30 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Karen writes,
>>Which reminds me... What is the significance of a flag that is green, white,
>>and red stripes and says 1824 in the middle?

> IMFTATLs are no fun if you can turn them too easily into Google queries:
> <http://www.google.com/search?q=flag+green+white+red+1824>

Duh. I kept thinking Italy.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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steph wrote:

> Are you being paid?

No.  But I will be whenever I'm officially hired.

--
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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 5:05:47 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

> Thursday, March 6, 2003, 3:31:30 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>> Karen writes,
>>>Which reminds me... What is the significance of a flag that is green, white,
>>>and red stripes and says 1824 in the middle?

>> IMFTATLs are no fun if you can turn them too easily into Google queries:
>> <http://www.google.com/search?q=flag+green+white+red+1824>

> Duh. I kept thinking Italy.

But actually this seems to be a rather obscure flag--it's a
maritime flag. I wonder why my neighbors have it on their lawn.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Har!  ;-)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sue Manning" <sue_manning@yahoo.com>
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> A curious fellow died one day and found himself
> waiting in the long line of judgment. As he stood
> there he noticed that some souls were allowed to march
> right through the pearly gates into Heaven. Others
> though, were led over to Satan who threw them into the
> burning pit. But every so often, instead of hurling a
> poor soul into the fire, Satan would toss a soul off
> to one side into a small pile. After watching Satan do
> this several times, the fellow's curiosity got the
> best of him. So he strolled over and asked Satan what
> he was doing. "Excuse me, Prince of Darkness," he
> said. "I'm waiting in line for judgment, but I
> couldn't help wondering, why are you tossing those
> people aside instead of flinging them into the Fires
> of Hell with the others?"
>
> "Ah, those . . ." Satan said with a groan. "They're
> all from New England. They're still way too cold and
> wet to burn."
>
>
>
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steph wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor:
> = steph wrote:
> =
> = > = it, then N. should know it too.
> = >
> = > That would be optimistic.
> =
> = ?  So now I also have an exceptionally small vocabulary?  I'd always
> = assumed that it was at least of average size, perhaps larger than
> = average.
> =
>
> I said nothing of the sort.  I said Bethany was being optimistic.

Optimistic to think I would know a word.  If that's not about
vocabulary, then I have no idea what it is about.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> But actually this seems to be a rather obscure flag--it's a
> maritime flag. I wonder why my neighbors have it on their lawn.

Today is the anniversary of the Alamo?  I heard that at lunch today when
I heard that today was Mike's bday.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen writes,

>But actually this seems to be a rather obscure flag--it's a maritime flag.
>I wonder why my neighbors have it on their lawn.

Not so fast, grasshopper:
<http://www.texianlegacy.com/1824flag.html>
<http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us-alamo.html>

Pete

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 5:17:53 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Karen writes,
>>But actually this seems to be a rather obscure flag--it's a maritime flag.
>>I wonder why my neighbors have it on their lawn.

> Not so fast, grasshopper:
> <http://www.texianlegacy.com/1824flag.html>
> <http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us-alamo.html>

My neighbors are displaying the privateer flag. I wonder what
*that* means...

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 5:17:53 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Karen writes,

>>But actually this seems to be a rather obscure flag--it's a maritime flag.
>>I wonder why my neighbors have it on their lawn.

> Not so fast, grasshopper:
> <http://www.texianlegacy.com/1824flag.html>
> <http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us-alamo.html>

The 2nd page mentions vexillogy--I think Ligniere specializes in
this!

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Karen writes,

>My neighbors are displaying the privateer flag. I wonder what *that* means...

Evocative effect instead of historical accuracy.

Pete

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 5:26:39 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Karen writes,
>>My neighbors are displaying the privateer flag. I wonder what *that* means...

> Evocative effect instead of historical accuracy.

LOL. My fantasies are better than that.:)

I wonder if they are involved with Ron Howard's movie.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 5:09:49 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Today is the anniversary of the Alamo?  I heard that at lunch today when
> I heard that today was Mike's bday.

They have had it on their lawn for weeks, so I don't think that's
it.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
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When I was at the W store, I saw drinking water containers--made
by a company called Victory. I think these are meant to be part
of our survival stash.

Karen

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To view the entire article, go to
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White House Targets Satirist's Web Site

By Larry Neumeister NEW YORK –– An Internet lampoon of Vice President
Dick Cheney's wife is no laughing matter at the White House, which has
asked a satirist to remove pictures of her — complete with red clown
noses — from his Web site.

But the New York Civil Liberties Union struck back Wednesday on behalf
of John A. Wooden, 31, threatening a lawsuit to protect his First
Amendment rights to parody the White House and Bush officials on his
site, whitehouse.org.

The official White House site is whitehouse.gov.

Cheney counsel David S. Addington warned Wooden's Chickenhead
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show her with a red clown's nose and a missing tooth — could not be
used to make money without her consent, and asked Wooden to delete the
photos and "fictitious biographical statement about her."

Instead, Wooden cautioned Web site visitors that the vice president
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information contained on this PARODY page about Mrs. Cheney may not
actually be true."

And, it added, the editors of the Web site were "confident that any
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percent likely to be absolutely untrue. Similarly, any stories about
her penchant for licking brandy Alexanders off the hirsute belly of
her spouse are all lies, lies, lies!"

NYCLU lawyer Chris Dunn wrote the office of the vice president that
the material was "fully protected by the First Amendment."

"With everything happening in the world, you'd think the office of the
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letters to political satirists," Wooden said.

A spokeswoman for Cheney's office, Jennifer Millerwise, confirmed the
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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> My neighbors are displaying the privateer flag. I wonder what
> *that* means...

I must have missed something skimming along as I have been doing. This
is the flag of the Texas Revolution, as far as I know. DId I go to the
wrong school? Why do you think it is a privateer flag?

alyce

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 5:31:23 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> I must have missed something skimming along as I have been doing. This
> is the flag of the Texas Revolution, as far as I know.

It depends on who you read, I guess. Most of the stuff I found on
the web said not.

> DId I go to the wrong school?

I can't believe that a) you learned this and b) you remember
this. But yes, evidently you did. See http://www.lsjunction.com/facts/flags.htm

> Why do you think it is a privateer flag?

Because the sites I looked at said so.
http://www.texianlegacy.com/privater.html is one--the flag on the
left is the exactly the one my neighbor has.

From
http://www.texasmonthly.com/mag/issues/2002-03-01/webextra9.php,
an interview with Robert Maberry:

"Texasmonthly.com: What is your theory about the Alamo flag?

RM: Two flags flew over the Alamo during the famous 1836 siege.
Neither was a Mexican tricolor with "1824" inscribed. The
presence of such a flag is pure myth, and its description was not
based on any eyewitness account. The story of the 1824 flag
originated in 1860 as conjecture that the Texians were fighting
to restore the tenets of the Mexican Constitution of 1824. This
story of the 1824 flag was repeated so many times that it became
a matter of faith and assumed an undeserved place in the
mythology of Texas. In reality, the defenders of the Alamo wanted
no part of 1824."


Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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02003-03-06 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> I don't think so.

LOL.:)


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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 6:48:45 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I can't believe that a) you learned this and b) you remember
>> this. But yes, evidently you did.

> I had a flag game. Or rather, my mother did. It was an antique by the
> time I got to it. Had all the countries' flags, various variations on
> same, and things like the "Alamo" flag. Thanks for the synopsis. I bow
> to your googles.

I am by no means an expert. I expected Bethany to pipe up on
this, or La Toal--but I believe she has me killfiled.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 7:14:49 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Betty  may have hit on something here - could this be why
> you keep failing to meet the eyes of the bartender you so desire?
> Try lathering up instead of getting lathered!

He is clean-shaven.

All over.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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>I have an $8.00 co-pay on meds. Even my inhaler things that are $95 or
>so only cost me $8.00.        --alyce

This is very good.  Is this a supplemental policy to Medicare?   What
insurance company offers such a nice drug benefit?


    --bonniev

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On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>I am by no means an expert. I expected Bethany to pipe up on
>this,

I am just too effing busy - I am not yet retired and working for no pay!

Bethany

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Tushar,
Betty  may have hit on something here - could this be why
you keep failing to meet the eyes of the bartender you so desire?
Try lathering up instead of getting lathered!
clo

Betty wrote:

> At 07:03 PM 3/6/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-06 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > > At 04:10 PM 3/6/2003 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> >
> >Thank you for this excellently informative attribution line!
> >The last one had become past freakin endurance. Have naother
> >frink. Another drink. No, I insist. Thanks again
>
> Thank you for permission.  Go shave or something.

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02003-03-06 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:04 PM 3/6/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-06 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> I don't think so.
> >
> >LOL.:)
>
> Fuck off!

*sob* I wanted to sit by you and watch the arch

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Karen Kay wrote:
> I can't believe that a) you learned this and b) you remember
> this. But yes, evidently you did.

I had a flag game. Or rather, my mother did. It was an antique by the
time I got to it. Had all the countries' flags, various variations on
same, and things like the "Alamo" flag. Thanks for the synopsis. I bow
to your googles.

alyce

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Is it over yet?    I can't even stand to watch it with the sound off.  That
smirk gets to me.


>That they let Shrub answer questions by himself.
>
>'peninshula'???
>Karen

    --bonniev

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 7:16:04 PM, bonniev wrote:
> Is it over yet?    I can't even stand to watch it with the sound off.  That
> smirk gets to me.

No. I'll tell you.

Hey, what is an "Al-Quaeda type"?

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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At 01:31 PM 3/6/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
>alyce cresap wrote:
>
> > "Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
> > >
> > > Winter is such fun!
>
>     My heart bleeds for you, alec.  It really does.

Suffer, I say.

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At 04:10 PM 3/6/2003 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> >
> >
> >Thursday, March 6, 2003, 2:19:03 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> >> Winter is such fun!
> >
> >It's 67 degrees!
> >
> >>>TEMPERATURES WILL CONTINUE TO FALL...SO EVEN IN PLACES WHERE IT HAS
> >>>BEEN JUST RAINING - THE DELMARVA PENINSULA AND EXTREME SOUTHEAST NEW
> >>>JERSEY - STANDING WATER...SLUSH AND SNOW WILL FREEZE
> >>>SOLID...ESPECIALLY ONCE THE SUN SETS.
> >
> >Bleah. Drive carefully, Alec.
> >
> >Karen
>
>No driving, just walking across campus to the train. Train to home and a 10
>minute walk home. YakTrax are helpful. Who ever mentioned it, I owe you many
>beers or your poison of choice.

I read that as position.  I need another drink.  Soon I'll start posting drunk.


Betty

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At 05:22 PM 3/6/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Thursday, March 6, 2003, 5:17:53 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> > Karen writes,
> >>But actually this seems to be a rather obscure flag--it's a maritime flag.
> >>I wonder why my neighbors have it on their lawn.
>
> > Not so fast, grasshopper:
> > <http://www.texianlegacy.com/1824flag.html>
> > <http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us-alamo.html>
>
>My neighbors are displaying the privateer flag. I wonder what
>*that* means...

Be very afraid.

Betty

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02003-03-06 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 04:10 PM 3/6/2003 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

Thank you for this excellently informative attribution line!
The last one had become past freakin endurance. Have naother
frink. Another drink. No, I insist. Thanks again

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At 07:03 PM 3/6/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-03-06 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 04:10 PM 3/6/2003 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
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>Thank you for this excellently informative attribution line!
>The last one had become past freakin endurance. Have naother
>frink. Another drink. No, I insist. Thanks again

Thank you for permission.  Go shave or something.

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At 07:04 PM 3/6/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-03-06 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > I don't think so.
>
>LOL.:)

Fuck off!

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I don't think so.



At 04:50 PM 3/6/2003 -0500, texas@BIGBALLS.COM wrote:
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>_______________________________________________________________________
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>UT AUSTIN HACK YIELDS PERSONAL INFO ON THOUSANDS
>
>According to the university, more than 55,000 people had some of their
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That they let Shrub answer questions by himself.

'peninshula'???
Karen

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02003-03-06 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Tushar,
> Betty  may have hit on something here - could this be why
> you keep failing to meet the eyes of the bartender you so desire?
> Try lathering up instead of getting lathered!

Betty has deliberatly designed a hurtful remark. She knows that
I look like a moron when I (1) shave (2) smile (3) "meet eyes".
I am very close to deleting her words-l account frankly.

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At 07:15 PM 3/6/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-03-06 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 07:04 PM 3/6/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >02003-03-06 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > >> I don't think so.
> > >
> > >LOL.:)
> >
> > Fuck off!
>
>*sob* I wanted to sit by you and watch the arch

In your dreams!  You lie. Or is that lay?

Betty

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02003-03-06 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> Is it over yet?    I can't even stand to watch it with the sound off.  That
> smirk gets to me.

Please remove the above post from the archives immediately.

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I feel certain that there is a list of things you can look like, and
that "moron" is not on the list. Take heart!
clo

Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-06 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > Tushar,
> > Betty  may have hit on something here - could this be why
> > you keep failing to meet the eyes of the bartender you so desire?
> > Try lathering up instead of getting lathered!
>
> Betty has deliberatly designed a hurtful remark. She knows that
> I look like a moron when I (1) shave (2) smile (3) "meet eyes".
> I am very close to deleting her words-l account frankly.

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02003-03-06 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:15 PM 3/6/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-06 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> At 07:04 PM 3/6/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >02003-03-06 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> >> I don't think so.
> >> >
> >> >LOL.:)
> >>
> >> Fuck off!
> >
> >*sob* I wanted to sit by you and watch the arch
>
> In your dreams!  You lie. Or is that lay?

It's over ... I think I will go drink now

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-06 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>
>>Tushar,
>>Betty  may have hit on something here - could this be why
>>you keep failing to meet the eyes of the bartender you so desire?
>>Try lathering up instead of getting lathered!
>>
>
> Betty has deliberatly designed a hurtful remark. She knows that
> I look like a moron when I (1) shave (2) smile (3) "meet eyes".
> I am very close to deleting her words-l account frankly.


        But she did it in love.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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At 07:16 PM 3/6/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Thursday, March 6, 2003, 7:14:49 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > Betty  may have hit on something here - could this be why
> > you keep failing to meet the eyes of the bartender you so desire?
> > Try lathering up instead of getting lathered!
>
>He is clean-shaven.
>
>All over.

TMI!

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And he has trouble envisioning more terror than 9/11.

Karen
"I am, we are,
Who can distinguish us?"
 --Deena Metzger

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At 07:20 PM 3/6/2003 -0600, karen wrote:

>Hey, what is an "Al-Quaeda type"?

Clearly, anybody who doesn't agree with Dubya.

cwv

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>From: alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET>
>It is snowing here--about two inches. Only 4-1/2 hours until Bush
>answers questions.

He's answering questions right now, and it got tedious, so I came in here.
We ended up with some 7 inches here today. Dammit. Come sun! I'm so done!

Marie

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At 07:17 PM 3/6/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-03-06 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > Tushar,
> > Betty  may have hit on something here - could this be why
> > you keep failing to meet the eyes of the bartender you so desire?
> > Try lathering up instead of getting lathered!
>
>Betty has deliberatly designed a hurtful remark. She knows that
>I look like a moron when I (1) shave (2) smile (3) "meet eyes".
>I am very close to deleting her words-l account frankly.

You don't have the power.

We're going to send you some photos though to put on the web page.  I think
I asked Larry to send them to mem, however.  We were missing the  annual
words-l gathering photos at Elwood's (MissionFest),  Marty's
(SlugFest),  Block Island, WordQuake, and BatFest.

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 7:43:29 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> I'm so done!

It was 70 today--but it's supposed to go down to 35 tonight. I
planted some lettuce, but I got dirt in my eye, under my contact
lens.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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>We ended up with some 7 inches here today. Dammit. Come sun! I'm so done!
>Marie

Wow.  We got nothing and will get nothing from this storm.


    --bonniev

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He's taking his last question.

I bet Survivor starts at 8pm.

Karen
"I am, we are,
Who can distinguish us?"
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At 07:27 PM 3/6/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Tushar Samant wrote:
>
>>02003-03-06 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>>
>>>Tushar,
>>>Betty  may have hit on something here - could this be why
>>>you keep failing to meet the eyes of the bartender you so desire?
>>>Try lathering up instead of getting lathered!
>>
>>Betty has deliberatly designed a hurtful remark. She knows that
>>I look like a moron when I (1) shave (2) smile (3) "meet eyes".
>>I am very close to deleting her words-l account frankly.
>
>
>        But she did it in love.

No, I did it in hate.

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>He's taking his last question.
>
>I bet Survivor starts at 8pm.
>Karen

Bless you, Karen.


    --bonniev

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I feel like Mrs. "Lovey" Thurston Howell the Third
(Monotone: "oh that's wonderful; oh that's terrible; oh that's
wonderful' oh that's terrible;
wait, I lost track. Is that wonderful or terrible?")
clo

Betty wrote:

> At 07:27 PM 3/6/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> >>02003-03-06 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> >>
> >>>Tushar,
> >>>Betty  may have hit on something here - could this be why
> >>>you keep failing to meet the eyes of the bartender you so desire?
> >>>Try lathering up instead of getting lathered!
> >>
> >>Betty has deliberatly designed a hurtful remark. She knows that
> >>I look like a moron when I (1) shave (2) smile (3) "meet eyes".
> >>I am very close to deleting her words-l account frankly.
> >
> >
> >        But she did it in love.
>
> No, I did it in hate.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> This is very good.  Is this a supplemental policy to Medicare?

No, I don't have Medicare.

  What
> insurance company offers such a nice drug benefit?

GHI. I am in a small business group.

alyce
>     --bonniev


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bonniev wrote:
>
> Is it over yet?    I can't even stand to watch it with the sound off.  That
> smirk gets to me.

He sounded like a broken record, and insisted on equating Saddam with
911. No one asked him my Big Question: How will we disarm Iraq if we do
not know where the arms are? Is the entire contingent of 310,000 people
going to go around like Sherlock Holmes? It is goofy.

alyce

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Don't know if actually true, but pretty funny.

alyce
---
Black's Law Dictionary Revealed as Hoax

Montreal, PQ (Reuters) - Sarah Medhurst (nee Black) shocked journalists
  and legal scholars at a press conference held at the Black family
estate
  Monday when she revealed that Black's Law Dictionary, a highly
regarded
  legal reference text, was originally written as a joke by her
eccentric
  great grandfather Henry Campbell Black.



  Medhurst appeared unapologetic, suggesting that the Black family had
  never tried very hard to keep it a secret. "Have any of you actually
  taken the time to read it?b,  she asked, flipping open the renowned
text
Look at page 840 for instance. 'John-a-Nokes'? Or how about page
  347? 'Correality - the quality or state of being correal."  She
  a challenging look around the room.



  Medhurst admitted that the entire Black family has participated in the
  century-long ruse, working together to generate content for the
  ever-expanding text.  She credits her Uncle Bertrand with developing
one
  of their most successful filler techniques: "We created more than 30
new
  entries just by using the word 'actual'.  Actual agency - see agency.
  Actual allegiance - see allegiance.  Actual authority - see authority.
  And on and on - you get the idea."



  Medhurst admits that the family started to get lazy in later editions,
at
  times resorting to stealing terms from other dictionaries. "I remember
  one time my brother pulled 'Le Roi' (literally: "the king") right out
of
  his French-English dictionary to meet the deadline for the 5th edition
  while on a three-week ski trip in the French Alps."  She claims the
ploy
  has been used sparingly, however, and that the family put a stop to
the
  practice when her brother started bringing the Official Scrabble
  Dictionary to editorial meetings.



  Henry Campbell Black had never intended - or even imagined - that his
  dictionary would become the authoritative source for legal
terminology.

  "My great granddad had actually written the text for an upcoming firm
  skit night", Medhurst explains. "It was his way of showing how
convoluted
  and, well, pompous the legal profession had become."  The dictionary
  became an instant hit, however, and Henry Black's comedic intentions
went
  unnoticed.  When the money started to roll in, Black elected to pursue
a
  highly lucrative career in legal publishing instead of becoming a
  marginally talented prop comic.



  When asked why the family is revealing the fake after all this time,
  Medhurst stated that they had grown tired of living a lie, and were
  genuinely concerned that the universally accepted legal lexicon "is
  actually just a bunch of made-up gibberish."  The family is asking
that
  lawyers and students alike immediately dispose of any editions of
Black's
  Law Dictionary into the nearest trash receptacle or recycle bin.



  West Group, the current publisher of Black's, could not be reached for
  comment.







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On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

>  West Group, the current publisher of Black's, could not be reached for
>  comment.

I'll bet! Love it!

Thanks,
Bethany

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...that on the heels of the POTUS performance, the Sundance Channel is
airing 1984.  War is Peace.  Freedom is Slavery.  Ignorance is Strength.

cwv

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Betty wrote:

> We're going to send you some photos though to put on the web page.  I think
> I asked Larry to send them to mem, however.  We were missing the  annual
> words-l gathering photos at Elwood's (MissionFest),  Marty's
> (SlugFest),  Block Island, WordQuake, and BatFest.

    I have some from Slugfest but I think you already have them.

JMW

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clo:

>and e) "lacking fluent English"

Oh, pooh. I love the way Dubya speaks. "misunderestimate" was a word
waiting to be coined. I couldn't do without that and "strategery".

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Pete:

>Not bad, but a bit geeky.  "King George" is better -- less hoity toity, and
>has revolutionary resonance.

I love this. It's perfect. Captures that sense of entitlement that oozes out
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> tastes like
> some vague sort of juice.

I call this "red flavor."

--Adam
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02003-03-06 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:27 PM 3/6/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> >>02003-03-06 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> >>
> >>>Tushar,
> >>>Betty  may have hit on something here - could this be why
> >>>you keep failing to meet the eyes of the bartender you so desire?
> >>>Try lathering up instead of getting lathered!
> >>
> >>Betty has deliberatly designed a hurtful remark. She knows that
> >>I look like a moron when I (1) shave (2) smile (3) "meet eyes".
> >>I am very close to deleting her words-l account frankly.
> >
> >       But she did it in love.
>
> No, I did it in hate.

Lutherans!

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 8:37:34 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Oh, pooh. I love the way Dubya speaks. "misunderestimate" was a word
> waiting to be coined. I couldn't do without that and "strategery".

What does the latter mean? and how do you pronounce it?

Karen
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At 07:31 PM 3/6/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > We're going to send you some photos though to put on the web page.  I think
> > I asked Larry to send them to mem, however.  We were missing the  annual
> > words-l gathering photos at Elwood's (MissionFest),  Marty's
> > (SlugFest),  Block Island, WordQuake, and BatFest.
>
>     I have some from Slugfest but I think you already have them.

I have the nose picking ones but I was thinking about just a group photo
from each year.

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02003-03-06 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> I feel certain that there is a list of things you can look like, and
> that "moron" is not on the list. Take heart!

This is not the bar around the corner, where you go to hear your
"buddies" lie to you ... "your boss doesn't know how lucky he is
to have you" ... "your wife doesn't know how good she's got it"
... "your kids will realize one day" ... "no you definitely don't
look like a moron" ...

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 8:48:43 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-06 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>> I feel certain that there is a list of things you can look like, and
>> that "moron" is not on the list. Take heart!

> This is not the bar around the corner, where you go to hear your
> "buddies" lie to you ... "your boss doesn't know how lucky he is
> to have you" ... "your wife doesn't know how good she's got it"
> ... "your kids will realize one day" ... "no you definitely don't
> look like a moron" ...

Do you actually get that at your bars? They didn't seem like the
type.

But after 3 cosmopolitans, I was hardly in the shape to judge...

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Adam writes,

>I call this "red flavor."

Don't you find different sorts of vague fruit flavors?  We also have "blue
flavor" and maybe sometimes "purple" (although I'm not sure this is
different from grape).

Pete

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    My truck is in the shop, and I have a rental to get me through
tomorrow.  A Honda Civic has to be shoe-horned into a garage that
swallows the JMW-Mobile daily.  Bigger in width and length by far, and
without nearly the carrying capacity.  I fail to see the point.

JMW

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02003-03-06 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Thursday, March 6, 2003, 8:37:34 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > Oh, pooh. I love the way Dubya speaks. "misunderestimate" was a word
> > waiting to be coined. I couldn't do without that and "strategery".
>
> What does the latter mean?

Snortfardlism.

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02003-03-06 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:17 PM 3/6/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-06 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> >> Tushar,
> >> Betty  may have hit on something here - could this be why
> >> you keep failing to meet the eyes of the bartender you so desire?
> >> Try lathering up instead of getting lathered!
> >
> >Betty has deliberatly designed a hurtful remark. She knows that
> >I look like a moron when I (1) shave (2) smile (3) "meet eyes".
> >I am very close to deleting her words-l account frankly.
>
> You don't have the power.
>
> We're going to send you some photos though to put on the web page.  I think
> I asked Larry to send them to mem, however.  We were missing the  annual
> words-l gathering photos at Elwood's (MissionFest),  Marty's
> (SlugFest),  Block Island, WordQuake, and BatFest.

Bring it on

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02003-03-06 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Thursday, March 6, 2003, 8:48:43 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-06 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>
> >> I feel certain that there is a list of things you can look like, and
> >> that "moron" is not on the list. Take heart!
>
> > This is not the bar around the corner, where you go to hear your
> > "buddies" lie to you ... "your boss doesn't know how lucky he is
> > to have you" ... "your wife doesn't know how good she's got it"
> > ... "your kids will realize one day" ... "no you definitely don't
> > look like a moron" ...
>
> Do you actually get that at your bars? They didn't seem like the
> type.
>
> But after 3 cosmopolitans, I was hardly in the shape to judge...

What are "my" bars?

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Betty wrote:

> I have the nose picking ones but I was thinking about just a group photo
> from each year.

    I have one of those from Luavull.

JMW

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 8:53:49 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-06 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Thursday, March 6, 2003, 8:48:43 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-03-06 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>>
>> >> I feel certain that there is a list of things you can look like, and
>> >> that "moron" is not on the list. Take heart!
>>
>> > This is not the bar around the corner, where you go to hear your
>> > "buddies" lie to you ... "your boss doesn't know how lucky he is
>> > to have you" ... "your wife doesn't know how good she's got it"
>> > ... "your kids will realize one day" ... "no you definitely don't
>> > look like a moron" ...
>>
>> Do you actually get that at your bars? They didn't seem like the
>> type.
>>
>> But after 3 cosmopolitans, I was hardly in the shape to judge...

> What are "my" bars?

The ones we went to.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Betty wrote:

> At 07:27 PM 3/6/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>> 02003-03-06 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>>>
>>>> Tushar,
>>>> Betty  may have hit on something here - could this be why
>>>> you keep failing to meet the eyes of the bartender you so desire?
>>>> Try lathering up instead of getting lathered!
>>>
>>>
>>> Betty has deliberatly designed a hurtful remark. She knows that
>>> I look like a moron when I (1) shave (2) smile (3) "meet eyes".
>>> I am very close to deleting her words-l account frankly.
>>
>>
>>
>>        But she did it in love.
>
>
> No, I did it in hate.


        BB reigns.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Oh, I got it ... "my" bars are bars for people who "like
the finer things".

What "finer" things? Oh, right ... Kwak. And Bose noise-
cancelling headphones. And bistros spelled with an extra
T. And electric corkscrews.

Therefore, I can never be in a conversation where morons
talk to each other about how everybody except them is a
moron.

All is clear.

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02003-03-06 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Thursday, March 6, 2003, 8:53:49 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-06 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Thursday, March 6, 2003, 8:48:43 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > 02003-03-06 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> >>
> >> >> I feel certain that there is a list of things you can look like, and
> >> >> that "moron" is not on the list. Take heart!
> >>
> >> > This is not the bar around the corner, where you go to hear your
> >> > "buddies" lie to you ... "your boss doesn't know how lucky he is
> >> > to have you" ... "your wife doesn't know how good she's got it"
> >> > ... "your kids will realize one day" ... "no you definitely don't
> >> > look like a moron" ...
> >>
> >> Do you actually get that at your bars? They didn't seem like the
> >> type.
> >>
> >> But after 3 cosmopolitans, I was hardly in the shape to judge...
>
> > What are "my" bars?
>
> The ones we went to.

I only chose the 8 most fantabulously understated, tasteful and
authentic bars to go to.

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On 6 Mar 2003 at 18:50, Betty wrote:

> I have the nose picking ones but I was thinking about just a group photo
> from each year.

There are photos from all of those in the vast archive Kenn
accumulated and passed on. I just never found time to organize the
good ones into a decent presentation.

    mem

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>No one asked him my Big Question: How will we disarm Iraq if we do
>not know where the arms are? Is the entire contingent of 310,000 people
>going to go around like Sherlock Holmes? It is goofy.
>alyce

This doesn't strike me as much of a problem.  Once we've taken over the
country, we have all the time in the world to look for the arms and destroy
them.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:
>
> Is it over yet?    I can't even stand to watch it with the sound off.  That
> smirk gets to me.

I saw a tiny bit of it after returning from the party and before
"Survivor" started.  In the little bit of it I saw, he seemed to be
carefully posing as <humble>.

--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Hey, what is an "Al-Quaeda type"?

Swarthy and not <born again>.

--
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Speaking of legal terminology, is the term "lunacy hearing" standard?
When I read it in the Starkville Daily News this morning, I thought it
sounded like something out of the nineteenth century.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> >I call this "red flavor."
>
> Don't you find different sorts of vague fruit flavors?  We also have "blue
> flavor" and maybe sometimes "purple" (although I'm not sure this is
> different from grape).
>
> Pete

I can see how they can exist, but I've never encountered them. I don't eat
much stuff that's flavored like that anymore.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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John Williams wrote:
>
>     My truck is in the shop, and I have a rental to get me through
> tomorrow.  A Honda Civic has to be shoe-horned into a garage that
> swallows the JMW-Mobile daily.  Bigger in width and length by far, and
> without nearly the carrying capacity.  I fail to see the point.

How does the gas mileage compare?

--
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At 08:50 PM 3/6/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Thursday, March 6, 2003, 8:48:43 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-03-06 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> >> I feel certain that there is a list of things you can look like, and
> >> that "moron" is not on the list. Take heart!
>
> > This is not the bar around the corner, where you go to hear your
> > "buddies" lie to you ... "your boss doesn't know how lucky he is
> > to have you" ... "your wife doesn't know how good she's got it"
> > ... "your kids will realize one day" ... "no you definitely don't
> > look like a moron" ...
>
>Do you actually get that at your bars? They didn't seem like the
>type.
>
>But after 3 cosmopolitans, I was hardly in the shape to judge...

THREE????  Well, I guess if someone else is buying. .. .

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On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Speaking of legal terminology, is the term "lunacy hearing" standard?
>When I read it in the Starkville Daily News this morning, I thought it
>sounded like something out of the nineteenth century.

It is quite common in MIssissippi, occasional at least in Texas
and Kentucky and possibly other states. Some states have official Lunacy
Records.

Bethany

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 10:05:59 PM, Betty wrote:

> At 08:50 PM 3/6/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Thursday, March 6, 2003, 8:48:43 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>> > 02003-03-06 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>> >> I feel certain that there is a list of things you can look like, and
>> >> that "moron" is not on the list. Take heart!
>>
>> > This is not the bar around the corner, where you go to hear your
>> > "buddies" lie to you ... "your boss doesn't know how lucky he is
>> > to have you" ... "your wife doesn't know how good she's got it"
>> > ... "your kids will realize one day" ... "no you definitely don't
>> > look like a moron" ...
>>
>>Do you actually get that at your bars? They didn't seem like the
>>type.
>>
>>But after 3 cosmopolitans, I was hardly in the shape to judge...

> THREE????  Well, I guess if someone else is buying. .. .

I thought 3 made a better story.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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At 05:02 PM 3/6/2003 -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>On 6 Mar 2003 at 18:50, Betty wrote:
>
> > I have the nose picking ones but I was thinking about just a group photo
> > from each year.
>
>There are photos from all of those in the vast archive Kenn
>accumulated and passed on. I just never found time to organize the
>good ones into a decent presentation.

Ah!  None were ever posted so I was just sending one from each year.  Just
for record keeping.

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I stand corrected!
clo

On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-06 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > I feel certain that there is a list of things you can look like, and
> > that "moron" is not on the list. Take heart!
>
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> "buddies" lie to you ... "your boss doesn't know how lucky he is
> to have you" ... "your wife doesn't know how good she's got it"
> .... "your kids will realize one day" ... "no you definitely don't
> look like a moron" ...
>

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02003-03-06 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> I stand corrected!

Have a seat.

> > > I feel certain that there is a list of things you can look like, and
> > > that "moron" is not on the list. Take heart!
> >
> > This is not the bar around the corner, where you go to hear your
> > "buddies" lie to you ... "your boss doesn't know how lucky he is
> > to have you" ... "your wife doesn't know how good she's got it"
> > .... "your kids will realize one day" ... "no you definitely don't
> > look like a moron" ...

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Thank you. Ahh, that's better. May I keep it?

Before you answer, I feel in fairness compelled to point out that, though
I doubted moron was on the list, I neither stated nor implied whether I
thought the list was a <complimentary> one.

clo

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> 02003-03-06 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > I stand corrected!
>
> Have a seat.
>
> > > > I feel certain that there is a list of things you can look like, and
> > > > that "moron" is not on the list. Take heart!
> > >
> > > This is not the bar around the corner, where you go to hear your
> > > "buddies" lie to you ... "your boss doesn't know how lucky he is
> > > to have you" ... "your wife doesn't know how good she's got it"
> > > .... "your kids will realize one day" ... "no you definitely don't
> > > look like a moron" ...
>

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11:08 06.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>Thursday, March 6, 2003, 6:57:57 AM, Espen Ore wrote:
>> 23:03 01.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>>>I taped this on TV tonight. What a well-designed movie this is!
>
>> Yes. And I once (in Vienna) saw it dubbed in German. That was
>> strange, especially here where there is supoosed to be a lot of
>> people markeing themselves as German by there accent when they
>> speak English.
>
>This would be weird.

Weirder was - in some ways - Twin Peaks dubbed in Hungarian.

Espen

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11:19 06.03.2003 -0600 skrev C.Q. Featherstonehaugh:
>Richard  50 years, 1 day, and counting. Someone check the grave.

A little late: HB!!

Espen

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20:09 05.03.2003 -0600 skrev Tushar Samant:
>Note: this is a typically corny observation but I am posting it in
>case K-R-N *LOVES* it with a "!!!" following, or goes "LOL" or decides
>to call me her Evil Quadrapopulet ... and the observation is: if a
>restaurant is being run by a family, with several of our Latina sisters
>waiting, go ahead and eat and drink everything in sight. They will not
>only not mind, they will be entertained. For example, I stopped at my
>favorite restaurant the other night in preparation of a musical enter-
>tainment--by the way, it is mentioned before Buck's Woodside on this
>page: <http://dropby.com/>--and there being nothing to stop me, I got
>myself the guisado of bacalao--words encrypted to prevent Espen etc
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>tostones. The excellence of this simple food kept me from stopping until

What does bacalao stand for in this encrypted text? Hamburgers?

Espen

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >Speaking of legal terminology, is the term "lunacy hearing" standard?
> >When I read it in the Starkville Daily News this morning, I thought it
> >sounded like something out of the nineteenth century.
>
> It is quite common in MIssissippi, occasional at least in Texas
> and Kentucky and possibly other states. Some states have official Lunacy
> Records.

Do others of you think it sounds kind of archaic -- like PC language
would've changed the term or something?

--
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On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> It is quite common in MIssissippi, occasional at least in Texas
>> and Kentucky and possibly other states. Some states have official Lunacy
>> Records.
>
>Do others of you think it sounds kind of archaic -- like PC language
>would've changed the term or something?

Some jurisdictions - TN and AZ come to mind - use the term Sanity
Hearing.

Bethany

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07:32 07.03.2003 -0500 skrev Bethany K. Dumas:
>On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>> It is quite common in MIssissippi, occasional at least in Texas
>>> and Kentucky and possibly other states. Some states have official Lunacy
>>> Records.
>>
>>Do others of you think it sounds kind of archaic -- like PC language
>>would've changed the term or something?
>
>Some jurisdictions - TN and AZ come to mind - use the term Sanity
>Hearing.

There is no Sanity Claus. M. brothers

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I don't do the rest, really, as I believe in travelling light.
But I do now and then lose my glasses while they're on my face.


Carolyn Ostrander:
= Do you absentmindedly put your glasses <anywhere> on your
= person and then hunt the environment for them?
= Do you stuff your pockets with kleenex, cough drops,
= and paperback books in case you are separated from your
= purse at a boring or sniffly time?
= Do you carry spare everything in your backpack, so that <if>
= disaster strikes, you will never have to try to get back into
= your burning home?
= Do you use your car as a rolling briefcase, library, suitcase,
= or extremely large purse?
=
= If so, you *may* be A Human Marsupial!!!!
= clo
=
= "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
=
= > LOL!
= >
= > I can understand, given the <habits> of this list, why you would think that.
= >
= > thinking of "marsupial" as an epithet - what qualities would a person have to have to
= > qualify to be so called?
= >
= > BrP
= >
= > > I thought she was calling <you> a marsupial!
= > > clo
= > >
= > > Karen Kay wrote:
= > >
= > > > Thursday, March 6, 2003, 12:35:20 PM, steph wrote:
= > > >
= > > > > = Whoops--I know the expression 'playing possum'. I may have
= > > > > = heard/said that. But that's different from the GIANT RAT itself.
= > > > > =
= > > >
= > > > > Marsupial.
= > > >
= > > > Details, schmetails.

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>To view the best boat models ever hosted at words-l.org, please
>visit <http://words-l.org/images/jb/> ... Thanks go to the content
>provider, a.k.a. /Jim ...

And my thanks go to Tushar for assembling a fine presentation.

/jim

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Natalie Maynor:
= steph wrote:
= >
= > Natalie Maynor:
= > = steph wrote:
= > =
= > = > = it, then N. should know it too.
= > = >
= > = > That would be optimistic.
= > =
= > = ?  So now I also have an exceptionally small vocabulary?  I'd always
= > = assumed that it was at least of average size, perhaps larger than
= > = average.
= > =
= >
= > I said nothing of the sort.  I said Bethany was being optimistic.
=
= Optimistic to think I would know a word.  If that's not about
= vocabulary, then I have no idea what it is about.

Back, eons ago, this discussion started with the word you didn't
know.

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Natalie Maynor:
= steph wrote:
=
= > Are you being paid?
=
= No.  But I will be whenever I'm officially hired.
=

And you believe this is going to happen exactly when?

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Karen Kay:
= He is clean-shaven.
=
= All over.
=

***ALL*** over?

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Some jurisdictions - TN and AZ come to mind - use the term Sanity
> Hearing.

    Really?  I've never heard it.  Now, "competency hearing" I've heard a great
deal, and I number three attorneys among my acquaintances.

JMW in AZ

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Jim,
lest you think nobody cared,
I did look at the pictures... but don't know enough to make
suitable ooh aah noises, and didn't want to expose myself
further.
clo

Jim Bradley wrote:

> >To view the best boat models ever hosted at words-l.org, please
> >visit <http://words-l.org/images/jb/> ... Thanks go to the content
> >provider, a.k.a. /Jim ...
>
> And my thanks go to Tushar for assembling a fine presentation.
>
> /jim

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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 9:01:33 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-06 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Thursday, March 6, 2003, 8:53:49 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-03-06 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> Thursday, March 6, 2003, 8:48:43 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> >> > 02003-03-06 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>> >>
>> >> >> I feel certain that there is a list of things you can look like, and
>> >> >> that "moron" is not on the list. Take heart!
>> >>
>> >> > This is not the bar around the corner, where you go to hear your
>> >> > "buddies" lie to you ... "your boss doesn't know how lucky he is
>> >> > to have you" ... "your wife doesn't know how good she's got it"
>> >> > ... "your kids will realize one day" ... "no you definitely don't
>> >> > look like a moron" ...
>> >>
>> >> Do you actually get that at your bars? They didn't seem like the
>> >> type.
>> >>
>> >> But after 3 cosmopolitans, I was hardly in the shape to judge...
>>
>> > What are "my" bars?
>>
>> The ones we went to.

> I only chose the 8 most fantabulously understated, tasteful and
> authentic bars to go to.

8? I must have blacked out at some point...

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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At 12:25 PM 3/6/2003 -0500, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>I nominate Rita to tell Bush to "fuck off!" (or Peter)
>clo
>
>"C.Q. Featherstonehaugh" wrote:
>
> > alyce:
> > >Peace Activist Implores Pope to be 'Ultimate Human Shield'
> >
> > Ooh!  Do we all get to nominate someone?
> >
> > >'Only person' who can stop Iraq war
> >
> > Well, *that* is quite an overstatement.
> >
> > --
> > Richard   50 years, 1 day, and counting. Someone check the grave.

Peter would send him a link to his blog. I'm sure Bush would be enthralled
and forget all about The War.

lisa

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At 10:31 AM 3/7/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > I filled out the extended survey and it told me I should live in Yonkers. I
>
>I had done the short form earlier but just did the long form.  I think
>the list was the same as before.  In any case, I'm skeptical.  When I
>gave no geographical preferences and had said that lack of winter cold
>was very important to me, why would every town on the list be in NJ or
>NY?
>
>What is a "superfund site"?  It was in the health section.  I had no
>idea what it mean so marked the middle circle -- suggesting that "few
>nearby superfund sites" was of moderate importance to me.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Superfund.. someone will or has given a much better definition than I but
here's my humble attempt.

Superfund sites were effectual wastelands of towns until cleaned up with
monies from <the fund>. The towns were damaged by illegal (or legal)
dumping of chemical waste.

When our government found a bit of greener side (outbreaks of cancer and/or
other health issues forced their hand), they established this fund. Crafty
politicians who are owed favors can collect the cash and clean up their areas.

Wait, now that I think about it a minute this might not be a government
fund in that it's from tax dollars. I think what happened was the offending
companies were fined big bucks, the money went into a pool and was to be
re-distributed.

Like I said, someone else is sure to give a better definition including
google links and possible blog references (sorry.. I know.. this is the
second time in two days I've picked on blogs.. I don't know why). My
definition is from memory, take it for what it's worth.

lisa

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> >Jim,
> >lest you think nobody cared,
> >I did look at the pictures... but don't know enough to make
> >suitable ooh aah noises, and didn't want to expose myself
> >further.
>
> Well, thanks for looking.
>
> /Jim
>
> >clo

I looked too.  I'm impressed.

           - D. M.

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steph wrote:
> = > Are you being paid?
> =
> = No.  But I will be whenever I'm officially hired.
>
> And you believe this is going to happen exactly when?

I have no idea.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Alyce,

I can't find anything on the web about the Kurds. Neither cnn.com
nor Google have anything.

Oooh, the MSNBC review of Shrub's speech is good: "Televised live
on all the major networks from the East Room of the White House,
the occasion found Bush declaring this to be “an important
moment” for America and the world, yet he spoke with little
urgency and no perceptible passion."

Karen
"I am, we are,
Who can distinguish us?"
 --Deena Metzger

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Tired of listening to the Security Council
where Iraq is being lauded for doing such
a remarkable job of destroying its missiles
(what's the sum total now?) and where the
very countries scolding us in such vitriolic
terms say nothing about the land office
business they are and have been doing all
along with Iraq and what their real fear is.

This flag of caution flies both ways.

I'm going to the gym.

Disgustedly yours,

    - D. M.

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Friday, March 7, 2003, 12:44:01 PM, bonniev wrote:
> Also our credit card was shut down as "compromised".   I tried to do an
> online check of our balance last night, got "lost/stolen" card, called the
> 800 number, and was told that, because of something on their side that
> indicated the account was compromised, they had shut down the account and
> would issue new cards.  But this morning the account is back up as if
> nothing had happened in the night.

Is it on a UT computer?

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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Kristin's possum:
> me waiting for its coming back, to feel
> with my palm which its fur is like.

I can tell you that baby possums are a lot
softer than you'd think.  Or at least a lot
softer than I thought.

My previous closest experience was with an
adult, who leaped out of a garbage can, up
my arm, across my neck, down my other arm,
and off down the driveway.  I cannot recall
any more tactile details.

--
Richard        nah, I'll take the stairs

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02003-03-07 | Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> writes:
> 20:09 05.03.2003 -0600 skrev Tushar Samant:
> >Note: this is a typically corny observation but I am posting it in
> >case K-R-N *LOVES* it with a "!!!" following, or goes "LOL" or decides
> >to call me her Evil Quadrapopulet ... and the observation is: if a
> >restaurant is being run by a family, with several of our Latina sisters
> >waiting, go ahead and eat and drink everything in sight. They will not
> >only not mind, they will be entertained. For example, I stopped at my
> >favorite restaurant the other night in preparation of a musical enter-
> >tainment--by the way, it is mentioned before Buck's Woodside on this
> >page: <http://dropby.com/>--and there being nothing to stop me, I got
> >myself the guisado of bacalao--words encrypted to prevent Espen etc
> >from starting--a mountain of rice and a big ass side of garlickified
> >tostones. The excellence of this simple food kept me from stopping until
>
> What does bacalao stand for in this encrypted text? Hamburgers?

Something like that. It's not very interesting.

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"C.Q. Featherstonehaugh" wrote:

> My previous closest experience was with an
> adult, who leaped out of a garbage can, up
> my arm, across my neck, down my other arm,
> and off down the driveway.  I cannot recall
> any more tactile details.

    Stain removal?

JMW

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Friday, March 7, 2003, 2:46:25 PM, C.Q. Featherstonehaugh wrote:

> Kristin's possum:
>> me waiting for its coming back, to feel
>> with my palm which its fur is like.

> I can tell you that baby possums are a lot
> softer than you'd think.  Or at least a lot
> softer than I thought.

> My previous closest experience was with an
> adult, who leaped out of a garbage can, up
> my arm, across my neck, down my other arm,
> and off down the driveway.  I cannot recall
> any more tactile details.

JESUS H. CHRIST!!!!!!

<shudder>

Karen

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JMW:
>     Stain removal?

You'd sure thing that would have been an
issue, but evidently the shock dogged all
the hatches watertight instead of blowing
the tanks.

Same deal with the snake in the closet.

Takes a while for the testicles to descend
again, though...

--
Richard        nah, I'll take the stairs

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Welll, I think possums are cute. But then, I'm not terribly upset
by other ratlike animals, either. I still think they are a nuisance,
though, for eating everything in the garden that the raccoons,
skunks, rabbits, and cabbage moths didn't get first.
clo

"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> re: opossums
> > I don't think they are as numerous as rats, but I consider them a
> > problem because they come and eat my catfood.
> >
> > Karen
> > "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
> > cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
> >  --Shinzen Young
>
> Just a question - Would something cute eating your catfood be equivalently
> nuisencious?
>
> BrP

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From: Karen Kay <Karen@WordWrite.com>
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Friday, March 7, 2003, 3:34:40 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>>Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:30 PM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Speaking of gardens
>>
>>
>>I still haven't found where my cat poops. Should I worry about
>>eating things from the garden?
>>
>>Karen
>>"I am, we are,
>>Who can distinguish us?"
>> --Deena Metzger
>>
> You don't wash what you pick?

Yes, but not with bleach or anything. I usually just rinse it a
little.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> There were a few places in Florida too, a state I don't have much interest
> in  moving to.

I feel mutant for having not had any states other than NJ and NY.  At
least it tossed in FL for you and WA for Bonniemae.  Wonder why it
doesn't think I would want to live anywhere outside of that smallish
section of the country.

> I am however very interested in visiting Florida.

Where in Florida?  The Gulf beaches and water are prettier than the
Atlantic, though there are some things I find appealing about the
Atlantic side of the state (upon which side I lived for three years).
Miami Beach is mega-ugly imho -- both the beach itself and the garish
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I find that your sig now seems very ominous...
clo

"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >Karen
> >"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the
> >palate, tongue,
> >cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
> > --Shinzen Young
> >
>
> Cat poop eater!
>
> alec

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Karen Kay wrote:

> 106, the news said a few minutes ago. It's going to be in the
> 80's here today.

Sometime between about 12:30 and 1:00 this afternoon, the wet, gray
gloom of winter left and spring arrived.  Amazing transition -- and a
very welcome one.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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alyce cresap wrote:

>  You have me chuckling merrily, too.

That's good! I only hope you could wash your head without going upstairs,
and that you'll get all kind of help -- I guess I have read your most
recent messages on this subject, for there are much unread in my mailbox
as well that I do not want to delete before it is inevitable

> That is great. Peace
> marzipan indeed.

Well, it was some exotic fruit anyway, whether it was peach or something
else, maybe apricot, I cannot remember any more. Whether this "peace"
here is a typo or a matter of misreading, I do not know, but certainly I
would have been even more confused how to feed the possum if it would've
been peace m. -- or maybe not: in a dream most strange things may seem
natural and vice versa.

Kristin

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02003-03-07 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> bonniev wrote:
> >
> > >But then he once again
> > >associated 9/11 and Iraq, which shot the thinker image.
> > >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >
> > Not necessarily.   From the little I read, I think he was trying to say
> > something like:  "this time we are going to get the bastards before they
> > get us."
>
> Which leads us back to why Iraq in particular.

Speak for yourself. It leads ME back to why Bonnie has unethically
breached her promise of having said her last on the topic.

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> Friday, March 7, 2003, 2:59:51 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > Are they a nuisance in the regions they live? Like rats? I guess
I've
> > read more closely about them in a children's story-book translated
from
> > Portuguese, and then, has Gerald Durrell wrote about opossums, too?
But
> > neither source is likely to talk about them as a nuisance.
>
> I don't think they are as numerous as rats, but I consider them a
> problem because they come and eat my catfood.
>
> Karen

They eat the catfood that Gene sets out for our farm
cats too.  And if there are baby kittens they eat the
baby kittens and just leave the skins.

Opossums are a nuisance and they have become much
more numerous since people are no longer paid to
shoot them and turn in their skins to control the
population.

                              - D. M.

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In Ohio, the only place I had occasion to meet one of the
beasties, I called it an a-possum.  Don't know if that's my
real dialect or what I picked up there.  Bob used to have a
big one that would raid and sun itself in the garden and
would get pissed off at me when I tramped through on the way
to the barn to play with the horses.  It would run at me and
hiss, then turn around and waddle away at a remarkable
speed.  I think Bob eventually shot it.

Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
>>LOL. Well, I know they eat catfood...
>>
>
> I hope when it next time comes into my dream it won't eat up our guinea pig's
> food. :)
>
>
>>Thanks for sharing this dream with me, Kristin. I'm glad I don't
>>dream about opossums!
>>
>
> At leas it may be a lighter spot meanwhile, as our minds are busy with political
> problems, war problems for much of the time.
>
> Kristin
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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> I filled out the extended survey and it told me I should live in
> Yonkers.

Me, too.

I don't want to live in Yonkers.

--Adam
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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Have you considered a real estate job?
>
> Uh, yeah. All the real estate people I know are underemployed.

What does underemployed mean?

> Plus, it would require coursework I can't afford.

Not at the bottom end.  Assistants in real estate offices don't have to
have much in the way of credentials.

> > I was reading somewhere a day or so ago about the bad times in
> > some fields but the need for people in other fields. One of the
> > other fields was healthcare, of course, as we've already
> > discussed. Another one was real estate.
>
> *That* surprises me.

I wish I remembered where I was reading it, but I don't.

--
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>But then he once again
>associated 9/11 and Iraq, which shot the thinker image.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Not necessarily.   From the little I read, I think he was trying to say
something like:  "this time we are going to get the bastards before they
get us."


    --bonniev

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> I filled out the extended survey and it told me I should live in Yonkers.

I'm pretty sure that was one of the ones on my list also.  I found
something very strange about the list -- mainly that all of the places
were in NJ or NY (most in NJ, a few in NY).

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John Williams wrote:

> > How does the gas mileage compare?
>
>     I've only driven it about 15 miles but the needle moves down at an
> alarming rate.

That is related to tank size, of course.

--
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On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, John Williams wrote:

>> Some jurisdictions - TN and AZ come to mind - use the term Sanity
>> Hearing.
>
>    Really?

Really.

Bethany

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>Bob used to have a
>big one that would raid and sun itself in the garden
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Who is Bob?


    --bonniev

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>       Springishnesses:
>>
>>       1.  Crocuses have bloomed
>>       2.  Tulips and daffodils have popped through the crusty earth
>>       3.  Maple trees have swollen buds
>>       4.  My students are either pawing each other or trying to
>>kill each other or both (extra bonus fun!)
>>
>
> This is worst haiku I have ever read. Sorry ...
>


        I agree!




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Friday, March 7, 2003, 1:58:50 AM, Espen Ore wrote:

> 11:08 06.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>>Thursday, March 6, 2003, 6:57:57 AM, Espen Ore wrote:
>>> 23:03 01.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>>>>I taped this on TV tonight. What a well-designed movie this is!
>>
>>> Yes. And I once (in Vienna) saw it dubbed in German. That was
>>> strange, especially here where there is supoosed to be a lot of
>>> people markeing themselves as German by there accent when they
>>> speak English.
>>
>>This would be weird.

> Weirder was - in some ways - Twin Peaks dubbed in Hungarian.

I dunno. I loathed Twin Peaks, so being in Hungarian could only
have made it more appealing.

Karen
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cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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At 01:18 PM 3/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Austin still best place to live.
>http://money.cnn.com/best/bplive/
>
>Did someone say they grew up in Highland Park, IL? That's a "big-money"
>town.
>--
>alyce

I filled out the extended survey and it told me I should live in Yonkers. I
wonder how it knew I'm Italian and currently living in a guinea neighborhood.

lisa

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>Jim,
>lest you think nobody cared,
>I did look at the pictures... but don't know enough to make
>suitable ooh aah noises, and didn't want to expose myself
>further.

Well, thanks for looking.

/Jim

>clo
>

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>I dunno. I loathed Twin Peaks, so being in Hungarian could only
>have made it more appealing.

In 1990 I stayed for a while with a family in Germany, and EVERYONE -- the
whole town, all ages -- absolutely *loved* "The Golden Girls". I couldn't
help but wonder what it could be about the translation to German which would
make it so universally appealling.

Marie

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> How does the gas mileage compare?

    I've only driven it about 15 miles but the needle moves down at an
alarming rate.

JMW

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>
>    My truck is in the shop, and I have a rental to get me through
>tomorrow.  A Honda Civic has to be shoe-horned into a garage that
>swallows the JMW-Mobile daily.  Bigger in width and length by far, and
>without nearly the carrying capacity.  I fail to see the point.
>
>JMW
>

Size does not matter!


alec

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> Speaking of legal terminology, is the
> term "lunacy hearing" standard?

I first ran across it in a book about Earl
Long, but have since seen it several times
in newspaper reports.

I assume it's a legal term en<cased> in the
nacre of precedent, and using another term
would have your lawyer opening a can of You
Don't Want to Open This.

--
Richard        nah, I'll take the stairs

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espen:
> A little late: HB!!

Many thanks, though yesterday's .sig referred
to the anniversary of Stalin untimely demise.

I was reminded of him when Kingsley Amis came
up the other day.

--
...even 05-Mar-1935 would have been too late

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lisa:
> Peter would send him a link to his blog.

But then Steve Karlson would counter-blog,
and we'd all be back where we started.

--
...just leave me to my pr0n sites, thanks

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Friday, March 7, 2003, 8:40:29 AM, Jim Bradley wrote:
>>Jim,
>>lest you think nobody cared,
>>I did look at the pictures... but don't know enough to make
>>suitable ooh aah noises, and didn't want to expose myself
>>further.

> Well, thanks for looking.

I looked, too, with lust in my heart.
Karen
"I am, we are,
Who can distinguish us?"
 --Deena Metzger

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> >I dunno. I loathed Twin Peaks, so being in Hungarian could only
> >have made it more appealing.
>
> In 1990 I stayed for a while with a family in Germany, and EVERYONE --
the
> whole town, all ages -- absolutely *loved* "The Golden Girls". I
couldn't
> help but wonder what it could be about the translation to German which
would
> make it so universally appealling.
>
> Marie

Those "girls" used so much body language
that even without translation you could
almost tell what was going on.

            - D. M.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Some jurisdictions - TN and AZ come to mind - use the term Sanity
> Hearing.

If I had had to guess the normal term for such a hearing, I would've
guessed Sanity Hearing.  I guess I must not have been paying enough
attention to state news in the past since Lunacy Hearing leaped out at
me as way weird.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>I'm pretty sure that was one of the ones on my list also.  I found
>something very strange about the list -- mainly that all of the places
>were in NJ or NY (most in NJ, a few in NY).
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Mine were in NY, NJ, or the state of Washington.  Bainbridge Island was
number nine.  Westbury, New York was number one.   Makes me wonder if they
even have Maine in their database.


    --bonniev

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> I filled out the extended survey and it told me I should live in Yonkers. I

I had done the short form earlier but just did the long form.  I think
the list was the same as before.  In any case, I'm skeptical.  When I
gave no geographical preferences and had said that lack of winter cold
was very important to me, why would every town on the list be in NJ or
NY?

What is a "superfund site"?  It was in the health section.  I had no
idea what it mean so marked the middle circle -- suggesting that "few
nearby superfund sites" was of moderate importance to me.

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> Peter would send him a link to his blog. I'm sure Bush would be enthralled
> and forget all about The War.

Have y'all seen the copy of the Kiesling resignation letter that's
floating around the net?

--
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> What is a "superfund site"?  It was in the health section.

Areas so poisoned by toxic waste that the
cities they are in are (Or is it were? I
seem to recall that the SuperFund was broke)
eligible for federal moolah to deal with it.

There are a few big ones here in Cancer Alley.

--
Richard        nah, I'll take the stairs

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At 09:40 AM 3/7/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Jim,
> >lest you think nobody cared,
> >I did look at the pictures... but don't know enough to make
> >suitable ooh aah noises, and didn't want to expose myself
> >further.
>
>Well, thanks for looking.
>
>/Jim

I liked the presentation a lot.

Betty

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>At 09:40 AM 3/7/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>
>I liked the presentation a lot.
>

Yes, Tushar did a great job.

/Jim

>Betty

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At 10:16 AM 3/7/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > I filled out the extended survey and it told me I should live in Yonkers.
>
>I'm pretty sure that was one of the ones on my list also.  I found
>something very strange about the list -- mainly that all of the places
>were in NJ or NY (most in NJ, a few in NY).
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Yes, I remember you said that. Mine also included a lot of places in NY/NJ.
Some of which are notoriously <bad> NJ towns. Please don't ask me to name
the ones that fall into this category. I didn't save the search results and
I'm too fried at the moment to remember them.

There were a few places in Florida too, a state I don't have much interest
in  moving to. I am however very interested in visiting Florida. I'm pretty
sure I've mentioned my pending vacation a few times. I apologize for the
redundancy. Yesterday's wintery weather (6+ inches) I'm even more antsy to
get the hell outta this frozen dodge.

lisa

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Natalie Maynor:
= steph wrote:
= > = > Are you being paid?
= > =
= > = No.  But I will be whenever I'm officially hired.
= >
= > And you believe this is going to happen exactly when?
=
= I have no idea.
=

Do you think they will try to get away with not paying you?

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http://www.masturbateforpeace.com/



BrP

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> CNN also advises  the the Pentagon has released its plan for
> "afterwards." We are dividing Iraq into three parts:
>
> Disgustedly yours,
> alyce

You are supposed to say
it gauls you.

        - D. M.

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>Yesterday's wintery weather (6+ inches) I'm even more antsy to
>get the hell outta this frozen dodge.       --lisa

The pictures of the 100 car accident yesterday on I-95 just south of Boston
was awesome.  Are you and Tina still coming to SnowBash tomorrow?


    --bonniev

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At 12:36 PM 3/7/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>CNN also advises  the the Pentagon has released its plan for
>"afterwards." We are dividing Iraq into three parts:
>north, south, and Baghdad. North and south will be ruled by retired army
>generals and Baghdad by Barbara somebody who was the ambassador to
>Yemen. She will have 150 cohorts who will take over the various Iraqi
>ministries and run them.
>
>Disgustedly yours,
>alyce

CNN knows more than NPR who was merely speculating this morning.

Whomever was being interviewed this said it would not be ideal for us to
have the country divided in three. He said there was also some talk about
getting rid of the top Bath Party leaders and keeping some lower level
administrators in place. The reason for keeping people is for their
knowledge of the existing infrastructure. I forget who would get the North
but I think the Shi'ites would get the south.

lisa

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Friday, March 7, 2003, 12:32:23 PM, bonniev wrote:
> The pictures of the 100 car accident yesterday on I-95 just south of Boston
> was awesome.  Are you and Tina still coming to SnowBash tomorrow?

106, the news said a few minutes ago. It's going to be in the
80's here today.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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Was the Internet attacked last night?   The Pixie Pit Scrabble Site went
down, which isn't all that unusual.  But when they came back up, for the
first time, they could not recover any of the games in play.  They wiped
everything clean.

Also our credit card was shut down as "compromised".   I tried to do an
online check of our balance last night, got "lost/stolen" card, called the
800 number, and was told that, because of something on their side that
indicated the account was compromised, they had shut down the account and
would issue new cards.  But this morning the account is back up as if
nothing had happened in the night.

What's Up?

    --bonniev

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Friday, March 7, 2003, 12:46:21 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

> Tired of listening to the Security Council
> where Iraq is being lauded for doing such
> a remarkable job of destroying its missiles
> (what's the sum total now?) and where the
> very countries scolding us in such vitriolic
> terms say nothing about the land office
> business they are and have been doing all
> along with Iraq and what their real fear is.

What is their real fear?

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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Karen wrote:
>
> > What is a "superfund site"?  It was in the health section.
>
The Hudson River is a superfund site. There is another one at the
NY/MASS border. Both thanks to GE. The river is to be dredged to remove
PCBs that GE dumped for years, killing fish, eagles, plant life and
endangering anyone who eats the fish or who swims in the river. GE
refuses to pay, so the Superfund will.

alyce

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CNN also advises  the the Pentagon has released its plan for
"afterwards." We are dividing Iraq into three parts:
north, south, and Baghdad. North and south will be ruled by retired army
generals and Baghdad by Barbara somebody who was the ambassador to
Yemen. She will have 150 cohorts who will take over the various Iraqi
ministries and run them.

Disgustedly yours,
alyce

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> >But this morning the account is back up as if
> > nothing had happened in the night.
>
>Is it on a UT computer?
>Karen

The Pixie Pit is in Australia.  And I don't see why MBNA would be using UT
computers.  What happened at Texas?


    --bonniev

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At 01:32 PM 3/7/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Yesterday's wintery weather (6+ inches) I'm even more antsy to
>>get the hell outta this frozen dodge.       --lisa
>
>The pictures of the 100 car accident yesterday on I-95 just south of Boston
>was awesome.  Are you and Tina still coming to SnowBash tomorrow?

When are you leaving, Bonnie?  You better drive.  You did a good job last year.

Betty

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At 01:32 PM 3/7/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Yesterday's wintery weather (6+ inches) I'm even more antsy to
>>get the hell outta this frozen dodge.       --lisa
>
>The pictures of the 100 car accident yesterday on I-95 just south of Boston
>was awesome.  Are you and Tina still coming to SnowBash tomorrow?
>
>
>    --bonniev

mmm the highway was a big, big mess.

The result today was, Tina's commute by T was a nightmare. I guess no one
wanted to drive.

It took her 90 minutes to drive less than 2 miles from our house, park, go
from the lot to the platform, get on a train that wasn't already packed
like a what? yes, sardine can! and ride the 10-15 minutes to work.

Yes, we're both coming tomorrow. What time is everyone arriving? We're not
staying overnight so where should we meet? Is there an activity list for
tomorrow? Phone numbers we should call?

Anyone who wants my cell # can ask me back channel.

lisa

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Friday, March 7, 2003, 12:47:40 PM, bonniev wrote:
> The Pixie Pit is in Australia.  And I don't see why MBNA would be using UT
> computers.  What happened at Texas?

55,000 accounts were hacked--students, former students, and
faculty. Basically, these people will always be vulnerable to
identity theft because the university was careless.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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>When are you leaving, Bonnie?  You better drive.  You did a good job last
>year.
>Betty

We'll leave sometime tomorrow morning.   Clyde is a much more confident
driver in snow.   But we don't anticipate any problems.  Yesterday's storm
in Boston will be a dim memory.  Nothing new of any great seriousness is
anticipated tomorrow.


    --bonniev

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 >Yes, we're both coming tomorrow. What time is everyone arriving? We're not
>staying overnight so where should we meet? Is there an activity list for
>tomorrow? Phone numbers we should call?     --lisa

An activity list??!    We were just planning on showing up at Adam's
apartment.  I guess we'd get there around 4 or 4:30.


    --bonniev

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bonniev:

>An activity list??!    We were just planning on showing up at Adam's
>apartment.  I guess we'd get there around 4 or 4:30.

I just made a reservation for tomorrow at the Quality Inn in
West Springfield. (413)739-7261. Where are y'all staying?

-rashmi



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> Was the Internet attacked last night?   The Pixie Pit Scrabble Site went
> down, which isn't all that unusual.  But when they came back up, for the
> first time, they could not recover any of the games in play.  They wiped
> everything clean.


Why do I hear the words "the Pixie Pit Scrabble Site went down" in Gordon
Lightfoot's voice?


BrP

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So, CNN just said that Turkey is massing tanks, men, and heavy artillery
at the border of Iraq where the Kurds live. I expect that this will be a
nice diversion from the "real war." Now, with whom do we side? Our
"friends" the Turks? Or our "friends" the Kurds?

Disgustedly yours,
alyce

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At 07:00 PM 3/7/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>bonniev:
>
>>An activity list??!    We were just planning on showing up at Adam's
>>apartment.  I guess we'd get there around 4 or 4:30.
>
>I just made a reservation for tomorrow at the Quality Inn in
>West Springfield. (413)739-7261. Where are y'all staying?
>
>-rashmi

15 Wheeler Ave
Apt # 3
Medford, Ma.

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>  >Yes, we're both coming tomorrow. What time is everyone arriving? We're not
> >staying overnight so where should we meet? Is there an activity list for
> >tomorrow? Phone numbers we should call?     --lisa

Meet at my place whenever you arrive in town. No activity list. The general plan
is to chat, eat, and hang out. If anyone needs directions or contact info this afternoon,
email me at work, aaha@esko-graphics.com.

--Adam

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At 01:54 PM 3/7/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Yes, we're both coming tomorrow. What time is everyone arriving? We're not
>>staying overnight so where should we meet? Is there an activity list for
>>tomorrow? Phone numbers we should call?     --lisa
>
>An activity list??!    We were just planning on showing up at Adam's
>apartment.  I guess we'd get there around 4 or 4:30.
>
>
>    --bonniev

Well that's what I'm planning on doing, showing up at Adam's.

However, I remember getting there on Friday night and hanging out with
folks in and around Springfield during the day on Saturday.

So basically what I want to know is, what time will everyone be at Adam's?

lisa

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> So basically what I want to know is, what time will everyone be at Adam's?
>
> lisa

People are welcome to start showing up after lunch. Melanie says she won't be arriving
till 3 or 3:30 or so.

--Adam
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Nameless lent me a sumo tape, and I'm loving it--Musashimaru is
tied with Akebono for # of tournaments won by a foreigner. The
American announcer called him 'Moose' for short, which cracked me
up.

Karen

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > -- my little fair lady was 17 today.
>
> > Kristin
>
> Congratulations to both of you.

Thank you, thank you!

I read most of yesterday's messages in the museum where either the firewall
or sth else prevents me from sending e-letters to words-l.

Kristin

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> Friday, March 7, 2003, 12:46:21 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Tired of listening to the Security Council
> > where Iraq is being lauded for doing such
> > a remarkable job of destroying its missiles
> > (what's the sum total now?) and where the
> > very countries scolding us in such vitriolic
> > terms say nothing about the land office
> > business they are and have been doing all
> > along with Iraq and what their real fear is.
>
> What is their real fear?
>
> Karen

Losing the thriving business.

               - D. M.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> It was a HUGE opossum!

Tell me of opossums! A couple of weeks ago I saw one, but I guess it was
a busy time at work so I didn't have time to report.

The dream began with my wondering when the opossum who had long been
hibernating on a roost in the upper corner of my sleeping room should
wake up. Then it slowly opened its big eyes.

> I don't think I've ever seen one before.

Me neither. I guess its eyes were larger than those of natural possums,
and I am not quite sure what they *exactly* look like (sure, there is
some vague memory from pictures seen), but I *knew* it was one.

One of my first thoughts was it must be hungry after its long
hibernation, but I did not know what opossums ate. I called some people,
and my mother said, "I guess, they eat peach marzipan." As crazy as my
dream could be, I had never heard of it and didn't know where to get it
from, though. But during the time of my calls the opossum had gone to
the refrigerator and got a jar of pickled cucumbers. It didn't eat the
cucumbers but was entirely content with the vinegar liquid that covered
them.

My next problem was where it could satisfy its other natural needs, so
to say. Must I put newspapers on the floor? The opossum of my dream
solved the problem. It changed to a very tall man. (Now, you! Don't
giggle there!) I showed him where the bathroom was and also asked
whether he knew how to use it. He knew. After coming back from there it
changed again to an opossum.

For long I had not seen such a vivid dream with a funny plot. By now I
have forgot several details, but after the night I saw it I thought
about it for some two or three days and chuckled merrily.

Kristin

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> For long I had not seen such a vivid dream with a funny plot. By now I
> have forgot several details, but after the night I saw it I thought
> about it for some two or three days and chuckled merrily.
>
> Kristin

A funny dream.  I wonder if you kissed the
opposum to turn it into a man.

Coincidentally, I heard a man on the radio
yesterday giving some kind of report about
opposums and every time he said the word
it seemed to me he stressed the O-possum,
so we would know we was saying it
correctly.

As others have said, here we just say
possum.

                 - D. M.

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>I just made a reservation for tomorrow at the Quality Inn in
>West Springfield. (413)739-7261. Where are y'all staying?
>-rashmi

The Hampton at the same exit.


    --bonniev

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>Why do I hear the words "the Pixie Pit Scrabble Site went down" in Gordon
>Lightfoot's voice?        --BrP

Ah, yes.   The winds of November came early.  We would have made Whitefish
Bay if we had put ... ...


    --bonniev

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Friday, March 7, 2003, 2:00:23 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> It was a HUGE opossum!

> Tell me of opossums! A couple of weeks ago I saw one, but I guess it was
> a busy time at work so I didn't have time to report.

> The dream began with my wondering when the opossum who had long been
> hibernating on a roost in the upper corner of my sleeping room should
> wake up. Then it slowly opened its big eyes.

Mine had sort of pink eyes--it's a nocturnal creature.

>> I don't think I've ever seen one before.

> Me neither. I guess its eyes were larger than those of natural possums,
> and I am not quite sure what they *exactly* look like (sure, there is
> some vague memory from pictures seen), but I *knew* it was one.

The eyes on this one were pretty big.

> One of my first thoughts was it must be hungry after its long
> hibernation, but I did not know what opossums ate. I called some people,
> and my mother said, "I guess, they eat peach marzipan." As crazy as my
> dream could be, I had never heard of it and didn't know where to get it
> from, though. But during the time of my calls the opossum had gone to
> the refrigerator and got a jar of pickled cucumbers. It didn't eat the
> cucumbers but was entirely content with the vinegar liquid that covered
> them.

LOL. Well, I know they eat catfood...

> My next problem was where it could satisfy its other natural needs, so
> to say. Must I put newspapers on the floor? The opossum of my dream
> solved the problem. It changed to a very tall man. (Now, you! Don't
> giggle there!) I showed him where the bathroom was and also asked
> whether he knew how to use it. He knew. After coming back from there it
> changed again to an opossum.

LOL.

> For long I had not seen such a vivid dream with a funny plot. By now I
> have forgot several details, but after the night I saw it I thought
> about it for some two or three days and chuckled merrily.

Thanks for sharing this dream with me, Kristin. I'm glad I don't
dream about opossums!

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Karen Kay wrote:

> LOL. Well, I know they eat catfood...

I hope when it next time comes into my dream it won't eat up our guinea pig's
food. :)

> Thanks for sharing this dream with me, Kristin. I'm glad I don't
> dream about opossums!

At leas it may be a lighter spot meanwhile, as our minds are busy with political
problems, war problems for much of the time.

Kristin

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Doris Markland wrote:

> A funny dream.  I wonder if you kissed the
> opposum to turn it into a man.

[The 1st, wrong,  reaction:] No. It wasn't that sort of man. He was
extraordinarily tall, and rather thin, with a small head. My rooms had to
grow higher in my dream than they really are for the man to stand straight.

Oh, now I found I misread your sentence. But the answer is still no.
Strange, I even do not remember patting or stroking the opossum. This makes
me waiting for its coming back, to feel with my palm which its fur is like.
Evidently I *misunderestimated* it in the dream.

>  O-possum,
> so we would know we was saying it
> correctly.
>
> As others have said, here we just say
> possum.

Oh, possum! -- in every sentence? :-D

Which may lead to: Oh, [this is] a possum.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
 after the night I saw it I thought
> about it for some two or three days and chuckled merrily.

Ah, Kristin, You have me chuckling merrily, too. That is great. Peace
marzipan indeed.

alyce
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"C.Q. Featherstonehaugh" wrote:

> I can tell you that baby possums are a lot
> softer than you'd think.  Or at least a lot
> softer than I thought.

Sound so nice and makes me cry: how cute!

> My previous closest experience was with an
> adult, who leaped out of a garbage can, up
> my arm, across my neck, down my other arm,
> and off down the driveway.  I cannot recall
> any more tactile details.

Are they a nuisance in the regions they live? Like rats? I guess I've
read more closely about them in a children's story-book translated from
Portuguese, and then, has Gerald Durrell wrote about opossums, too?  But
neither source is likely to talk about them as a nuisance.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Are they a nuisance...

Oh, sorry, time to go home. Cannot wait for the answer today. So long!

Kristin

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Friday, March 7, 2003, 2:59:51 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Are they a nuisance in the regions they live? Like rats? I guess I've
> read more closely about them in a children's story-book translated from
> Portuguese, and then, has Gerald Durrell wrote about opossums, too?  But
> neither source is likely to talk about them as a nuisance.

I don't think they are as numerous as rats, but I consider them a
problem because they come and eat my catfood.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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re: opossums
> I don't think they are as numerous as rats, but I consider them a
> problem because they come and eat my catfood.
>
> Karen
> "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
> cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>  --Shinzen Young


Just a question - Would something cute eating your catfood be equivalently
nuisencious?


BrP

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Friday, March 7, 2003, 3:08:19 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>> re: opossums
>> I don't think they are as numerous as rats, but I consider them a
>> problem because they come and eat my catfood.
>>
>> Karen
>> "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
>> cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>>  --Shinzen Young


> Just a question - Would something cute eating your catfood be equivalently
> nuisencious?

Why? Do you have a fondness for catfood?:)

Seriously, anything that isn't my cat that eats my catfood is
nuisencious. (Love that word!)

Even you, ET!

Karen
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Friday, March 7, 2003, 3:26:15 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Welll, I think possums are cute. But then, I'm not terribly upset
> by other ratlike animals, either. I still think they are a nuisance,
> though, for eating everything in the garden that the raccoons,
> skunks, rabbits, and cabbage moths didn't get first.

Really? I don't think I've had any possum-damage--but then, why
eat raw food when you can have nice, processed cat food?

Karen
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I still haven't found where my cat poops. Should I worry about
eating things from the garden?

Karen
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Who can distinguish us?"
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Today's entry in the -Our Dumb Century- desk calendar:

(For those who haven't seen it, this is in the form of fake
newspaper headlines)

>From the Onion August 16, 1966

Democracy Flowers Around Globe After Bombing of Vietnamese Village

    Mao, Khrushchev Step Down
    Free Elections held in Cuba, Angola And
    N. Korea, thanks to latest Napalm raid.

!!!! I wonder if Wolfy moonlights for the Onion...

-rashmi


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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:30 PM
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>
>
>I still haven't found where my cat poops. Should I worry about
>eating things from the garden?
>
>Karen
>"I am, we are,
>Who can distinguish us?"
> --Deena Metzger
>
You don't wash what you pick?


alec

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:37 PM
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>
>
>Friday, March 7, 2003, 3:34:40 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>>>Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:30 PM
>>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>Subject: Speaking of gardens
>>>
>>>
>>>I still haven't found where my cat poops. Should I worry about
>>>eating things from the garden?
>>>
>>>Karen
>>>"I am, we are,
>>>Who can distinguish us?"
>>> --Deena Metzger
>>>
>> You don't wash what you pick?
>
>Yes, but not with bleach or anything. I usually just rinse it a
>little.
>
>Karen
>"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the
>palate, tongue,
>cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
> --Shinzen Young
>

Cat poop eater!



alec

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steph wrote:

> = I have no idea.
>
> Do you think they will try to get away with not paying you?

No.

--
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Friday, March 7, 2003, 3:38:15 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>>Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:37 PM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: Speaking of gardens
>>
>>
>>Friday, March 7, 2003, 3:34:40 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>>>>Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:30 PM
>>>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>>Subject: Speaking of gardens
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I still haven't found where my cat poops. Should I worry about
>>>>eating things from the garden?
>>>>
>>>>Karen
>>>>"I am, we are,
>>>>Who can distinguish us?"
>>>> --Deena Metzger
>>>>
>>> You don't wash what you pick?
>>
>>Yes, but not with bleach or anything. I usually just rinse it a
>>little.
>>
>>Karen
>>"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the
>>palate, tongue,
>>cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>> --Shinzen Young
>>

> Cat poop eater!

Thanks for helping me feel better about the whole thing, Alex!

Karen
"I am, we are,
Who can distinguish us?"
 --Deena Metzger

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Karen Kay wrote:

> moment” for America and the world, yet he spoke with little
> urgency and no perceptible passion."

My impression in the little bit of it I saw (the rest is on tape, but I
don't know that I'll watch it) was that the no perceptible passion was
staged -- was something he had been advised to do -- that he was trying
to change his image from reckless cowboy galloping full-speed ahead to
quiet and thoughtful listener and thinker.  But then he once again
associated 9/11 and Iraq, which shot the thinker image.

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02003-03-07 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Today's entry in the -Our Dumb Century- desk calendar:
>
> (For those who haven't seen it, this is in the form of fake
> newspaper headlines)
>
> >From the Onion August 16, 1966
>
> Democracy Flowers Around Globe After Bombing of Vietnamese Village
>
>    Mao, Khrushchev Step Down
>    Free Elections held in Cuba, Angola And
>    N. Korea, thanks to latest Napalm raid.
>
> !!!! I wonder if Wolfy moonlights for the Onion...

Send it backchannel to Bonnie.

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> Why do I hear the words "the Pixie Pit Scrabble Site went down" in Gordon
> Lightfoot's voice?

Doesn't sound like GL at all to me.  I hear Tiny Tim.  But then maybe
that's because y'all have been talking about SnowBash, which reminds me
of Mrs. Miller, which reminds me of Tiny Tim.  Are y'all going to listen
to Mrs. Miller?  I'm sad that I won't be there for it!

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02003-03-07 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> quiet and thoughtful listener and thinker.  But then he once again

The "quiet resolve" gag always brings tears to my eyes,
and garners my full 100% support. Because that's how I
am too, quiet, thoughtful and determined.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Meet at my place whenever you arrive in town. No activity list. The general plan
> is to chat, eat, and hang out.

Are y'all going to smoke in the parking lot?

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A great dream, Kristin!

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Karen Kay wrote:
> I'm glad I don't
> dream about opossums!

I really do sympathize with Rashmi's eyes' being offended by the word
"tunafish."  "Opossum" grates on my eyes big-time.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> it seemed to me he stressed the O-possum,
> so we would know we was saying it
> correctly.

I dunno about correctly.  All I can think of is The Honorable Possum.

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>Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > Meet at my place whenever you arrive in town. No activity list. The
> general plan
> > is to chat, eat, and hang out.
>
>Are y'all going to smoke in the parking lot?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Not me.  Anyway, from whom could we bum cigarettes?


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >But then he once again
> >associated 9/11 and Iraq, which shot the thinker image.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Not necessarily.   From the little I read, I think he was trying to say
> something like:  "this time we are going to get the bastards before they
> get us."

Which leads us back to why Iraq in particular.

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bonniev wrote:

> Not me.  Anyway, from whom could we bum cigarettes?

Melanie?

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bonniev wrote:

>> Bob used to have a
>> big one that would raid and sun itself in the garden
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> Who is Bob?
>


        A good friend.  I useter (I love that word for some reason)
play with his horses all the time and take care of them when
he was sick or out of town.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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The cute pink house has vanished from the Bay St. Louis listings -- the
house Bad Betty liked best and the one I'd been looking at online for
months.  I bet it has sold.  This time tomorrow I'll probably know.
I'll be there roaming around and finding these houses I've been looking
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Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 18:58:13 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
Subject: cosmopolitans
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I was inspired by Karen to have a couple with dinner.  You
know, they don't taste like you're drinking anything at all,
but I'm definitely over the legal limit.  An excellent
discovery.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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02003-03-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> nuisencious. (Love that word!)

I would not have guessed that.

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Friday, March 7, 2003, 6:58:13 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> I was inspired by Karen to have a couple with dinner.

A COUPLE?! All I could manage was one, and I could hardly walk
after that.

> You know, they don't taste like you're drinking anything at
> all, but I'm definitely over the legal limit. An excellent
> discovery.

Thank Mareeber; she inspired me.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Friday, March 7, 2003, 7:02:12 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> I don't want to live in Yonkers.

Is anyone there yet? Are you all ready?

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Friday, March 7, 2003, 6:58:13 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>I was inspired by Karen to have a couple with dinner.
>>
>
> A COUPLE?! All I could manage was one, and I could hardly walk
> after that.


        Well, it didn't taste like anything, so I had another :)...
stressful week, you know.



> Thank Mareeber; she inspired me.


        Thank you Mareeber.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> Sometime between about 12:30 and 1:00 this afternoon, the wet, gray
> gloom of winter left and spring arrived.  Amazing transition -- and a
> very welcome one.

No fair!

It is supposed to be in the mid-40's tomorrow. Heat wave!

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> Doesn't sound like GL at all to me.  I hear Tiny Tim.  But then maybe
> that's because y'all have been talking about SnowBash, which reminds me
> of Mrs. Miller, which reminds me of Tiny Tim.  Are y'all going to listen
> to Mrs. Miller?  I'm sad that I won't be there for it!

Maybe a song or two, but definitely not the entire album!

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> Are y'all going to smoke in the parking lot?

Maybe. Probably. Who knows?

I am now fully supplied with all foodstuffs needed for SnowBash. Whew!

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> > Not me.  Anyway, from whom could we bum cigarettes?
>
> Melanie?

Yup.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> Is anyone there yet? Are you all ready?

No, SnowBash is tomorrow - nobody's here yet except my new upstairs neighbor
clomping around upstairs. *sigh* S/he had better not have a loud surround
sound stereo, that's all I can say. I have had enough of that after Mr.
Asshole for two years.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:24:56 -0600
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Friday, March 7, 2003, 7:22:52 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> No, SnowBash is tomorrow - nobody's here yet except my new upstairs neighbor
> clomping around upstairs. *sigh* S/he had better not have a loud surround
> sound stereo, that's all I can say. I have had enough of that after Mr.
> Asshole for two years.

I have 3 words for you: Your Own House. I never hear anyone I
don't invite in.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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02003-03-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >Friday, March 7, 2003, 6:58:13 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >>I was inspired by Karen to have a couple with dinner.
> >>
> >
> >A COUPLE?! All I could manage was one, and I could hardly walk
> >after that.
>
>        Well, it didn't taste like anything, so I had another :)...
> stressful week, you know.

Shyeah K-R-N! Wasting a suggestible person with mundane arithmetical
inquiries is pretty dumb if you ask me ... how about a long walk
"Rita"? It's pretty warm out

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> I have 3 words for you: Your Own House. I never hear anyone I
> don't invite in.

Yeah, well, I have started saving for it now that I'm rid of the $30,000
millstone.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>>Friday, March 7, 2003, 6:58:13 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>>I was inspired by Karen to have a couple with dinner.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>A COUPLE?! All I could manage was one, and I could hardly walk
>>>after that.
>>>
>>       Well, it didn't taste like anything, so I had another :)...
>>stressful week, you know.
>>
>
> Shyeah K-R-N! Wasting a suggestible person with mundane arithmetical
> inquiries is pretty dumb if you ask me ... how about a long walk
> "Rita"? It's pretty warm out


        It is gloriously warm... 55 degrees.

        Springishnesses:

        1.  Crocuses have bloomed
        2.  Tulips and daffodils have popped through the crusty earth
        3.  Maple trees have swollen buds
        4.  My students are either pawing each other or trying to
kill each other or both (extra bonus fun!)

        Tra la la!




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Friday, March 7, 2003, 7:27:04 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> Yeah, well, I have started saving for it now that I'm rid of the $30,000
> millstone.

Good! Rates have never been lower!!!

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Good! Rates have never been lower!!!

Have you considered a real estate job?  I was reading somewhere a day or
so ago about the bad times in some fields but the need for people in
other fields.  One of the other fields was healthcare, of course, as
we've already discussed.  Another one was real estate.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Friday, March 7, 2003, 7:33:19 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Good! Rates have never been lower!!!

> Have you considered a real estate job?

Uh, yeah. All the real estate people I know are underemployed.
Plus, it would require coursework I can't afford.

> I was reading somewhere a day or so ago about the bad times in
> some fields but the need for people in other fields. One of the
> other fields was healthcare, of course, as we've already
> discussed. Another one was real estate.

*That* surprises me.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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02003-03-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>        Springishnesses:
>
>        1.  Crocuses have bloomed
>        2.  Tulips and daffodils have popped through the crusty earth
>        3.  Maple trees have swollen buds
>        4.  My students are either pawing each other or trying to
> kill each other or both (extra bonus fun!)

This is worst haiku I have ever read. Sorry ...

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Friday, March 7, 2003, 7:40:37 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > Have you considered a real estate job?
>>
>> Uh, yeah. All the real estate people I know are underemployed.

> What does underemployed mean?

They are making less money than they used to.

>> Plus, it would require coursework I can't afford.

> Not at the bottom end.  Assistants in real estate offices don't have to
> have much in the way of credentials.

I don't know what an assistant in a real estate office would be.

Karen
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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> Uh, yeah. All the real estate people I know are underemployed.
>
> > What does underemployed mean?
>
> They are making less money than they used to.

So they gave up higher-paying jobs because they decided they preferred
real estate?  I don't find that <shocking>.  Lots of people are willing
to make less to do something they decide they'd prefer doing.

But I don't know how that relates to my suggestion that you might pursue
real estate as a possibility.  You have told us that you are making zero
right now.  It's pretty hard to make less than zero, so you would not be
making less in real estate.

> > Not at the bottom end.  Assistants in real estate offices don't have to
> > have much in the way of credentials.
>
> I don't know what an assistant in a real estate office would be.

The ones I know of do pretty much all the things the agents do except
probably the <official> things at closings -- they show houses, help
with paperwork, talk to clients, etc.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Friday, March 7, 2003, 7:54:09 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> >> Uh, yeah. All the real estate people I know are underemployed.
>>
>> > What does underemployed mean?
>>
>> They are making less money than they used to.

> So they gave up higher-paying jobs because they decided they preferred
> real estate?

No, they are considering other jobs because they aren't making
enough in real estate.

>> > Not at the bottom end.  Assistants in real estate offices don't have to
>> > have much in the way of credentials.
>>
>> I don't know what an assistant in a real estate office would be.

> The ones I know of do pretty much all the things the agents do except
> probably the <official> things at closings -- they show houses, help
> with paperwork, talk to clients, etc.

They don't seem to have those here. At least, I've never heard
of them or met one.

Karen

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Friday, March 7, 2003, 7:54:09 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> But I don't know how that relates to my suggestion that you might pursue
> real estate as a possibility.  You have told us that you are making zero
> right now.  It's pretty hard to make less than zero, so you would not be
> making less in real estate.

Natalie, please rest assured that it is not your job to find me a
job. Please. Rest.

Karen
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I watched a little bit of the first half of our women's basketball game
on tv and found it not fun to watch somehow.  I mainly pondered why I
found it <unnatural> for females to be running around on the court
acting like males.  Then I decided that it is of course, like almost
everything, a matter of our cultural blinders.  I've seen lots of men's
basketball games and thus see that as the <norm>.  If I had been
watching women's basketball and had never watched men's, I would no
doubt find it <unnatural> to turn on a men's game and see males running
around on the court acting like females.  Anyway, I had left the tv on
in the other room and went back in and watched the end.  It was fun to
watch us win and was fun to watch the MSU band members playing the fight
song.  I'm not sure that the other team (SC) had a band of any kind
there.  This is the SEC tournament in Little Rock.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > So they gave up higher-paying jobs because they decided they preferred
> > real estate?
>
> No, they are considering other jobs because they aren't making
> enough in real estate.

Well, that's ok.  I think it's not wise for somebody to quit a job
because of hoping for a higher-paying job -- as in quitting before
finding another job.  But there's certainly nothing wrong with looking
for something else while working.

> > The ones I know of do pretty much all the things the agents do except
> > probably the <official> things at closings -- they show houses, help
> > with paperwork, talk to clients, etc.
>
> They don't seem to have those here. At least, I've never heard
> of them or met one.

That's surprising.  If they exist in small towns like Starkville, I
would think there would be even more in cities.  I've known a good
many.  I've never been sure quite how it worked -- like whether the
individual agents hire assistants or the agency hires them for the
individual agents or for sharing or what.  But they definitely exist
here.  One of my current students is one.  She takes just a course or
two each semester and works the rest of the time at a real estate
agency.  Another acquaintance of mine works for his wife, who is very
busy real estate agent.  He (the husband) started helping her on
weekends while he was still working at MSU as a professor of something
like forestry.  He found the real-estate life more and more interesting
and finally retired from MSU and is now a full-time assistant at the
real estate agency.

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Friday, March 7, 2003, 8:16:38 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I watched a little bit of the first half of our women's basketball game
> on tv and found it not fun to watch somehow.  I mainly pondered why I
> found it <unnatural> for females to be running around on the court
> acting like males.  Then I decided that it is of course, like almost
> everything, a matter of our cultural blinders.  I've seen lots of men's
> basketball games and thus see that as the <norm>.  If I had been
> watching women's basketball and had never watched men's, I would no
> doubt find it <unnatural> to turn on a men's game and see males running
> around on the court acting like females.

I think if you had been watching women's basketball when you were
growing up, that you would not have found those women "acting
like males". It seems to me that in the last ten years or so
(well, since Title IX, really, which is longer than that) that
women's sports have become more <athletic>, as if it was suddenly
legitimate for them to do so, and since then, the players have
become more 'male-like' in that they are truly competitive and
not afraid to be athletic.

Also, I think part of it is that women have been playing longer
by the time they get into college than they used to.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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In a message dated 03/07/2003 2:37:33 PM Central Standard Time,
Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:

<<
Oh, possum! -- in every sentence? :-D

>>

Or "Aw, possum!" as one would pass one lying on the side
of the road.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Natalie, please rest assured that it is not your job to find me a
> job. Please. Rest.

Every once in a while I fall into the delusion of thinking that you
really do want a job and thus make suggestions.  I realize that's dumb.

--
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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 20:31:58 -0600
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Friday, March 7, 2003, 8:29:59 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Natalie, please rest assured that it is not your job to find me a
>> job. Please. Rest.

> Every once in a while I fall into the delusion of thinking that you
> really do want a job and thus make suggestions.  I realize that's dumb.

I do want a job, but your suggestions are wildly unsuitable for
the most part, and I find the whole process hurtful. So please
stop it. Thank you.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > everything, a matter of our cultural blinders.  I've seen lots of men's
> > basketball games and thus see that as the <norm>.  If I had been
> > watching women's basketball and had never watched men's, I would no
> > doubt find it <unnatural> to turn on a men's game and see males running
> > around on the court acting like females.
>
> I think if you had been watching women's basketball when you were
> growing up, that you would not have found those women "acting
> like males".

Isn't that what I said above?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Friday, March 7, 2003, 8:32:08 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > everything, a matter of our cultural blinders.  I've seen lots of men's
>> > basketball games and thus see that as the <norm>.  If I had been
>> > watching women's basketball and had never watched men's, I would no
>> > doubt find it <unnatural> to turn on a men's game and see males running
>> > around on the court acting like females.
>>
>> I think if you had been watching women's basketball when you were
>> growing up, that you would not have found those women "acting
>> like males".

> Isn't that what I said above?

No. I understood you to say that your perspective would have been
different. I said that there are actual differences in the game
and in the way the players move and act.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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Karen Kay wrote:

> I do want a job, but your suggestions are wildly unsuitable for
> the most part, and I find the whole process hurtful. So please
> stop it. Thank you.

I will indeed stop it because it has become pretty obvious that you
prefer your current life of leisure to doing anything that you consider
<beneath your station>.  You don't want "a job."  You want The Perfect
Job, with high salary and proper stature.  I find that kind of attitude
hard to comprehend.  There's too much of the old puritan work ethic in
me -- which is not necessarily a good thing -- it's why I find the idea
of really retiring difficult.

What will happen when your savings run out?  Will you then be on
full-fledged welfare?  Will you consider that more appropriate for
somebody of your lofty stature than doing menial work like selling real
estate?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-03-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>      Springishnesses:
> >>
> >>      1.  Crocuses have bloomed
> >>      2.  Tulips and daffodils have popped through the crusty earth
> >>      3.  Maple trees have swollen buds
> >>      4.  My students are either pawing each other or trying to
> >>kill each other or both (extra bonus fun!)
> >>
> >
> >This is worst haiku I have ever read. Sorry ...
>
>
>        I agree!

Can I quote you everywhere without context?

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Friday, March 7, 2003, 8:45:35 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I do want a job, but your suggestions are wildly unsuitable for
>> the most part, and I find the whole process hurtful. So please
>> stop it. Thank you.

> I will indeed stop it because it has become pretty obvious that you
> prefer your current life of leisure to doing anything that you consider
> <beneath your station>.  You don't want "a job."  You want The Perfect
> Job, with high salary and proper stature.  I find that kind of attitude
> hard to comprehend.  There's too much of the old puritan work ethic in
> me -- which is not necessarily a good thing -- it's why I find the idea
> of really retiring difficult.

> What will happen when your savings run out?  Will you then be on
> full-fledged welfare?  Will you consider that more appropriate for
> somebody of your lofty stature than doing menial work like selling real
> estate?

Natalie, fuck off.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>  There's too much of the old puritan work ethic in
> me -- which is not necessarily a good thing -- it's why I find the idea
> of really retiring difficult.


        Oh my god!  Natalie's a Yankee!



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Karen Kay wrote:

> > What will happen when your savings run out?  Will you then be on
> > full-fledged welfare?  Will you consider that more appropriate for
> > somebody of your lofty stature than doing menial work like selling real
> > estate?
>
> Natalie, fuck off.

Well, I really do need to set nomail tonight since I'm leaving fairly
early tomorrow morning and hate to wait until the last minute to set
nomail in case something is glitchy at that last moment.  So I'm outta
here for a week.  I see nothing else to say in this thread anyway.  We
have very different attitudes toward work.  Feel free to carry on with
whining about being out of work and enjoying your life of leisure.  Why
stoop to the level of having to get up every morning and go to work at
an ordinary job?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Rita Chapman wrote:
> >  There's too much of the old puritan work ethic in
> > me -- which is not necessarily a good thing -- it's why I find the idea
> > of really retiring difficult.
>
>         Oh my god!  Natalie's a Yankee!

Huh?  The puritan work ethic is far from just yankee.  But I think I've
mentioned before that my ggggg-grandfather was called Yankee John Church
because he moved from Massachusetts to North Carolina.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-03-06 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> Thank you. Ahh, that's better. May I keep it?

What? Keep anything, just don't keep me for dinner, ha ha ha

> Before you answer, I feel in fairness compelled to point out that, though
> I doubted moron was on the list, I neither stated nor implied whether I
> thought the list was a <complimentary> one.

What, the list? Forget the list, they are idiots. Hey check
it out, I just figured out a new word: "misled", pronounced
my-zulled. It means being misled about the pronunciation of
"misled". So, for how long were you MISLED and how old were
you then? Thanks!

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>02003-03-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>>     Springishnesses:
>>>>
>>>>     1.  Crocuses have bloomed
>>>>     2.  Tulips and daffodils have popped through the crusty earth
>>>>     3.  Maple trees have swollen buds
>>>>     4.  My students are either pawing each other or trying to
>>>>kill each other or both (extra bonus fun!)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>This is worst haiku I have ever read. Sorry ...
>>>
>>
>>       I agree!
>>
>
> Can I quote you everywhere without context?


        No you may not, hater.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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And DSAI, of course.  But have fun at SnowBash, those of you who are
going, and toast Mrs. Miller for me when you listen to her.  And of
course toast AdamLH, the list's greatest host.  I'm setting nomail now.
Will be back March 15, afaik.
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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-03-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
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> >Can I quote you everywhere without context?
>
> >>      I agree!

Thanks, Rita!

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-On Friday, March 07, 2003, 9:16 PM -0600 Tushar Samant
<scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
>
> What, the list? Forget the list, they are idiots. Hey check
> it out, I just figured out a new word: "misled", pronounced
> my-zulled. It means being misled about the pronunciation of
> "misled". So, for how long were you MISLED and how old were
> you then? Thanks!

Wrong!   That is misled, pronounced MY-SLED and don't you forget it!

By the way, have you been sledding this year?

Terry

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02003-03-07 | Terry Wild <twild@URI.EDU> writes:
> -On Friday, March 07, 2003, 9:16 PM -0600 Tushar Samant
> <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> >
> > What, the list? Forget the list, they are idiots. Hey check
> > it out, I just figured out a new word: "misled", pronounced
> > my-zulled. It means being misled about the pronunciation of
> > "misled". So, for how long were you MISLED and how old were
> > you then? Thanks!
>
> Wrong!   That is misled, pronounced MY-SLED and don't you forget it!

Let's make it mean being misinformed about my-zulled ...

> By the way, have you been sledding this year?

Last five years ... metaphorically!

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Friday, March 7, 2003, 9:09:45 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> We have very different attitudes toward work.

You have no idea what my attitude towards work is, nor what jobs
I have applied for. Yet you continue to make false assumptions!

> Feel free to carry on with whining about being out of work and
> enjoying your life of leisure. Why stoop to the level of having
> to get up every morning and go to work at an ordinary job?

And you continue being an asshole.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Friday, March 7, 2003, 9:25:12 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Will be back March 15, afaik.

Don't hurry back.

Karen
"I am, we are,
Who can distinguish us?"
 --Deena Metzger

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--On Friday, March 07, 2003, 9:27 PM -0600 Tushar Samant
<scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>> Wrong!   That is misled, pronounced MY-SLED and don't you forget it!
>
> Let's make it mean being misinformed about my-zulled ...
>
     If you wish....

>> By the way, have you been sledding this year?
>
> Last five years ... metaphorically!

What type of surface?

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02003-03-07 | Terry Wild <twild@URI.EDU> writes:
> --On Friday, March 07, 2003, 9:27 PM -0600 Tushar Samant
> <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
>
> >> Wrong!   That is misled, pronounced MY-SLED and don't you forget it!
> >
> > Let's make it mean being misinformed about my-zulled ...
> >
>      If you wish....
>
> >> By the way, have you been sledding this year?
> >
> > Last five years ... metaphorically!
>
> What type of surface?

Bald ...

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A researcher from Johns Hopkins U presented
to the American Heart Association on the
subject of "short thighs associated with
diabetes".  The piece I read about it said that
the average length of thighs in men and women
with normal glucose tolerance is 15.8".
It was 15.4" for those with insulin resistance,
and 15.1" in those with diabetes.

My question is, how do you measure the
length of your thighs?  On the inside of the
leg, knee to crotch, or outside of leg from
knee to hip bone, or what?  Anyone know?

                      - D. M.

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Friday, March 7, 2003, 10:46:46 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> A researcher from Johns Hopkins U presented
> to the American Heart Association on the
> subject of "short thighs associated with
> diabetes".  The piece I read about it said that
> the average length of thighs in men and women
> with normal glucose tolerance is 15.8".
> It was 15.4" for those with insulin resistance,
> and 15.1" in those with diabetes.

> My question is, how do you measure the
> length of your thighs?  On the inside of the
> leg, knee to crotch, or outside of leg from
> knee to hip bone, or what?  Anyone know?

Mine were measured from the hip bone.

But surely Adam's thighs are longer than 15"?

And what about me? One of my femurs is 2" shorter than the other.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Tushar:

> > Today's entry in the -Our Dumb Century- desk calendar:
>
> > (For those who haven't seen it, this is in the form of fake
> > newspaper headlines)
> >
> >From the Onion August 16, 1966
> >
> > Democracy Flowers Around Globe After Bombing of Vietnamese Village
> >
> >    Mao, Khrushchev Step Down
> >    Free Elections held in Cuba, Angola And
> >    N. Korea, thanks to latest Napalm raid.
> >
> > !!!! I wonder if Wolfy moonlights for the Onion...
>
>Send it backchannel to Bonnie.

Why bonnie? why backchannel? what is it? etc etc.

-rashmi

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Hey Alec, did you and Heide go to the flower show this year?

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>I really do sympathize with Rashmi's eyes' being offended by the word
>"tunafish."  "Opossum" grates on my eyes big-time.
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Just think of the O as being silent, like the P in Psmith.

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>
> > My question is, how do you measure the
> > length of your thighs?  On the inside of the
> > leg, knee to crotch, or outside of leg from
> > knee to hip bone, or what?  Anyone know?
>
> Mine were measured from the hip bone.
>
> But surely Adam's thighs are longer than 15"?
>
> And what about me? One of my femurs is 2" shorter than the other.
>
> Karen

If you want to read the article, it's one of the
main headlines listed now on Yahoo.

                      - D. M.

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>>But then he once again
>>associated 9/11 and Iraq, which shot the thinker image.
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>Not necessarily.   From the little I read, I think he was trying to say
>something like:  "this time we are going to get the bastards before they

>    --bonniev

Again, that blasts the thinker image.  Iraq can't get us.  Israel, they can
get, but not us.

Now, the North Koreans, they can get us.  Chew on that for a while.

Well, the North Koreans could get *some* of us.  Not that EG would care if
California were to start glowing.  After all, he's a notoriously vindictive
man, and since we didn't vote for him he probably thinks we deserve the
worst.

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>My question is, how do you measure the
>length of your thighs?  On the inside of the
>leg, knee to crotch, or outside of leg from
>knee to hip bone, or what?  Anyone know?
>                       - D. M.

No idea.   But I recently read, that for the purpose of comparison to the
study they did about waist size and risk of heart disease, your waist is at
the top of your hip bone, which seems pretty low to me.   A woman's waist
is supposed to be under 35 inches  --  no matter if she is 6 foot tall or 5
foot tall, evidently.


    --bonniev

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>>Send it backchannel to Bonnie.
>
>Why bonnie? why backchannel? what is it? etc etc.
>-rashmi

And the ultimate questions:   Why is there a Tushar?   and   Why does he
consistently have it in for me?   How I long for post-Acadiafest when I can
leave this list and no longer be abused by T Bone.


    --bonniev

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>
> No idea.   But I recently read, that for the purpose of comparison to
the
> study they did about waist size and risk of heart disease, your waist
is at
> the top of your hip bone, which seems pretty low to me.   A woman's
waist
> is supposed to be under 35 inches  --  no matter if she is 6 foot tall
or 5
> foot tall, evidently.
>
>
>     --bonniev

I guess I don't know what a waist is then.  I always
thought it was that narrowest part.  Measuring at the
hip bone would seem to be measuring the size of
your abdomen, not your waist.  But then medically
I guess the belly size tells a lot.

                    - D. M.

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On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-06 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > Before you answer, I feel in fairness compelled to point out that, though
> > I doubted moron was on the list, I neither stated nor implied whether I
> > thought the list was a <complimentary> one.
>
> What, the list? Forget the list, they are idiots.

interesting slide of topic. *ponder* Should I restate <list of things you
might be called>?
Nah.


>Hey check
> it out, I just figured out a new word: "misled", pronounced
> my-zulled. It means being misled about the pronunciation of
> "misled". So, for how long were you MISLED and how old were
> you then? Thanks!
>

Interesting - it's the second group I belong to to discuss "myzulled" in a
year.
I would have to say that I was mizylled about the prounciation of
"horizon" till I was about 20 or so - I abstracted the pronunciation
from "horizontal" at abt age 6, I would guess, (and still do sometimes
when fatigued). Comes from reading above experience level; my daughter
was miselled about "chorus", alliterating with "church", even when she
sang in one; and my son, who read The Hobbit before he went to
kindergarten, is still treating "I have been" as homophonous with "I have
[a] bean".

clo

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...on to West Springfield.

cwv

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>I guess I don't know what a waist is then.  I always
>thought it was that narrowest part.  Measuring at the
>hip bone would seem to be measuring the size of
>your abdomen, not your waist.  But then medically
>I guess the belly size tells a lot.
>                     - D. M.

Yup.  The article said women are used to measuring the narrowest spot for
clothing fit, which is proper.  But medically they are interested in how
much abdominal fat you are carrying around.  Bad for the heart.


    --bonniev

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At 08:25 PM 3/7/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Friday, March 7, 2003, 8:16:38 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > I watched a little bit of the first half of our women's basketball game
> > on tv and found it not fun to watch somehow.  I mainly pondered why I
> > found it <unnatural> for females to be running around on the court
> > acting like males.  Then I decided that it is of course, like almost
> > everything, a matter of our cultural blinders.  I've seen lots of men's
> > basketball games and thus see that as the <norm>.  If I had been
> > watching women's basketball and had never watched men's, I would no
> > doubt find it <unnatural> to turn on a men's game and see males running
> > around on the court acting like females.
>
>I think if you had been watching women's basketball when you were
>growing up, that you would not have found those women "acting
>like males". It seems to me that in the last ten years or so
>(well, since Title IX, really, which is longer than that) that
>women's sports have become more <athletic>, as if it was suddenly
>legitimate for them to do so, and since then, the players have
>become more 'male-like' in that they are truly competitive and
>not afraid to be athletic.
>
>Also, I think part of it is that women have been playing longer
>by the time they get into college than they used to.

We watched our California Bear women beat the Arizona Sun Devils last night
in San Jose.  Now today they get to play Stanford!

Betty

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At 03:56 PM 3/7/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-03-07 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > quiet and thoughtful listener and thinker.  But then he once again
>
>The "quiet resolve" gag always brings tears to my eyes,
>and garners my full 100% support. Because that's how I
>am too, quiet, thoughtful and determined.

I love you, man!

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>From: Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM>
> > I filled out the extended survey and it told me I should live in
> > Yonkers.
>
>Me, too.
>
>I don't want to live in Yonkers.

Nah. It's much nicer here about 30 miles north. Yonkers is bleah.

Marie

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>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>Thank Mareeber; she inspired me.

I did!?

In any case, you're all welcome then.

Marie

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> Nah. It's much nicer here about 30 miles north. Yonkers is bleah.

Were it not for its bleah-ness, I'd have bought a mansion there. THe
price was right. Anywhere else, the house would have cost a fortune. Had
its own little movie theatre and a darkroom, among other amenities. But
Yonkers was nice, once.

alyce

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The whole long article is here:
February 21
<http://truthout.org/>docs_02/022203A.htm>

But this is the cream off the top (please note members at bottom):

The Project for a New American Century, or PNAC, is a group founded in
1997
that has been agitating since its inception for a war with Iraq.  PNAC
was
the driving force behind the drafting and passage of the Iraqi
Liberation
Act, a bill that painted a veneer of legality over the ultimate designs
behind such a conflict. The names of every prominent PNAC member were on
a
letter delivered to President Clinton in 1998 which castigated him for
not
implementing the Act by driving troops into Baghdad.

PNAC has funneled millions of taxpayer dollars to a Hussein opposition
group called the Iraqi National Congress, and to Iraq's heir-apparent,
Ahmed Chalabi, despite the fact that Chalabi was sentenced in absentia
by a
Jordanian court to 22 years in prison on 31 counts of bank fraud.
Chalabi
and the INC have, over the years, gathered support for their cause by
promising oil contracts to anyone that would help to put them in power
in Iraq.

Most recently, PNAC created a new group called The Committee for the
Liberation of Iraq. Staffed entirely by PNAC members, The Committee has
set
out to "educate" Americans via cable news connections about the need for
war in Iraq. This group met recently with National Security Advisor
Condoleezza Rice regarding the ways and means of this education.

Who is PNAC? Its members include:

   * Vice President Dick Cheney, one of the PNAC founders, who served as
Secretary of Defense for Bush Sr.;

   * I. Lewis Libby, Cheney's top national security assistant;

   * Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, also a founding member, along
with four of his chief aides including;

   * Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, arguably the
ideological
father of the group;

   * Eliot Abrams, prominent member of Bush's National Security Council,
who was pardoned by Bush Sr. in the Iran/Contra scandal;

   * John Bolton, who serves as Undersecretary for Arms Control and
International Security in the Bush administration;

   * Richard Perle, former Reagan administration official and present
chairman of the powerful Defense Policy Board;

   * Randy Scheunemann, President of the Committee for the Liberation of
Iraq, who was Trent Lott's national security aide and who served as an
advisor to Rumsfeld on Iraq in 2001;

   * Bruce Jackson, Chairman of PNAC, a position he took after serving
for
years as vice president of weapons manufacturer Lockheed-Martin, and who
also headed the Republican Party Platform subcommittee for National
Security and Foreign Policy during the 2000 campaign. His section of the
2000 GOP Platform explicitly called for the removal of Saddam Hussein;

   * William Kristol, noted conservative writer for the Weekly Standard,
a
magazine owned along with the Fox News Network by conservative media
mogul
Ruppert Murdoch.

The Project for the New American Century seeks to establish what they
call
'Pax Americana' across the globe. Essentially, their goal is to
transform
America, the sole remaining superpower, into a planetary empire by force
of
arms.

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The first Mystery Guest has arrived. I will leave it to y'all to conjecture
on who it could possibly be.

--Adam
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At 12:59 PM 3/8/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>The first Mystery Guest has arrived. I will leave it to y'all to conjecture
>on who it could possibly be.

I just talked to the mystery guest.  What a surprise!

Betty

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 12:27:40 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 12:59 PM 3/8/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>>The first Mystery Guest has arrived. I will leave it to y'all to conjecture
>>on who it could possibly be.

> I just talked to the mystery guest.  What a surprise!

Did he laugh for you?

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Betty wrote:
>
> I just talked to the mystery guest.  What a surprise!

Tell me. I feel left out and stupid.

alyce

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> Did he laugh for you?

Mystery Guest says you're giving it away!

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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At 01:28 PM 3/8/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > Did he laugh for you?
>
>Mystery Guest says you're giving it away!

She likes to do that.

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At 12:27 PM 3/8/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Karen
>"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
>cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>  --Shinzen Young


How do cat poop eaters experience this?

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 12:28:56 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> Did he laugh for you?

> Mystery Guest says you're giving it away!

Sorry, I'll be quiet now.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 12:36:07 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 01:28 PM 3/8/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> > Did he laugh for you?
>>
>>Mystery Guest says you're giving it away!

> She likes to do that.

I never know who the mystery guest is--and this time I didn't
know till Adam said.

Karen
"I am, we are,
Who can distinguish us?"
 --Deena Metzger

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> > Mystery Guest says you're giving it away!
>
> Sorry, I'll be quiet now.

MG says, "Good. Why give it away when you can sell it?"

--Adam
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Do you know Trials's Pub?  We're thinking of going there to watch the men's
game on TV after we watch the women's game at HP Pavilion, formerly known
as San Jose Arena before it became Compaq Center.

Come join us. Ryan can buy you a beer.

Betty

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At 12:34 PM 3/8/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Saturday, March 8, 2003, 12:36:07 PM, Betty wrote:
> > At 01:28 PM 3/8/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> >> > Did he laugh for you?
> >>
> >>Mystery Guest says you're giving it away!
>
> > She likes to do that.
>
>I never know who the mystery guest is--and this time I didn't
>know till Adam said.

Did he laugh for you?

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 12:36:56 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 12:27 PM 3/8/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Karen
>>"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
>>cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>>  --Shinzen Young


> How do cat poop eaters experience this?

You're copying clo! Several days late!!!


Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 12:41:24 PM, Betty wrote:

> At 12:34 PM 3/8/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Saturday, March 8, 2003, 12:36:07 PM, Betty wrote:
>> > At 01:28 PM 3/8/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> >> > Did he laugh for you?
>> >>
>> >>Mystery Guest says you're giving it away!
>>
>> > She likes to do that.
>>
>>I never know who the mystery guest is--and this time I didn't
>>know till Adam said.

> Did he laugh for you?

If it's who I think it is, he always laughs for me. I need to
call.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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At 12:37 PM 3/8/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Saturday, March 8, 2003, 12:36:56 PM, Betty wrote:
> > At 12:27 PM 3/8/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Karen
> >>"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate,
> tongue,
> >>cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
> >>  --Shinzen Young
>
>
> > How do cat poop eaters experience this?
>
>You're copying clo! Several days late!!!

I was copying Alex.

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> If it's who I think it is, he always laughs for me. I need to
> call.

She did, and Now They're Laughing Together. I tell you, it's two Titans of
Laughter.

-=-Adam

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 12:46:53 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> If it's who I think it is, he always laughs for me. I need to
>> call.

> She did, and Now They're Laughing Together. I tell you, it's two Titans of
> Laughter.

We must never use our power for ill.:)

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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At 01:46 PM 3/8/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > If it's who I think it is, he always laughs for me. I need to
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>
>She did, and Now They're Laughing Together. I tell you, it's two Titans of
>Laughter.

And Clyde hasn't even arrived with the beer yet!

Betty

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 12:57:33 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 01:46 PM 3/8/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> > If it's who I think it is, he always laughs for me. I need to
>> > call.
>>
>>She did, and Now They're Laughing Together. I tell you, it's two Titans of
>>Laughter.

> And Clyde hasn't even arrived with the beer yet!

We don't need to drink to laugh.

But has anyone noticed that we have never been seen in the same
room at the same time?!

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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On 8 Mar 2003 at 7:16, Doris Markland wrote:

> I guess I don't know what a waist is then.

Judging by current campus fashion, the waist is a lot lower than it
used to be. A lot.

    mem

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So it seems that there is a SECOND mystery guest. Who is that
one????????

Adam wouldn't give me a clue...

Karen
"I am, we are,
Who can distinguish us?"
 --Deena Metzger

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Well, I just received this. Please note that "I" is not me, but the
person who sent it to me. And now you have the Pope's e-mail. Can't say
that of everyone.
-------------
I suggest the Pope call another gathering of
spiritual leaders opposed to war and violence in Iraq, imploring them to
join him in a statement George Bush cannot ignore. If they gather in
Baghdad and ask the people of the world to join them in prayer, then the
war will not happen. Then the inspectors would have more time to do
their work and a political solution would surely be found.

I have already emailed the Pope and I ask you to do the same. Also,
please forward this email to as many people as you can, for it will be
hard for His Holiness to ignore the requests of millions of people. I
consider this a spiritual solution coming from religions that have in
the past been the cause of so much separation. Please help us spread the
word for this important mission.

Please send your email to: accreditamenti@pressva.va. If you would like
to send a fax from the US, the number is: 011-39-06698-85378  (from
other countries drop the 011 prefix), and to phone call:
011-39-06-69-82.
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> So it seems that there is a SECOND mystery guest. Who is that
> one????????
>
> Adam wouldn't give me a clue...

I'm still not telling. Nor am I telling Judith, her Paul, or Marie, who are
now here in addition to Mystery Guest #1.

--Adam

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02003-03-08 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> And the ultimate questions:   Why is there a Tushar?

http://asitis.com/4/8.html

> Why does he
> consistently have it in for me?   How I long for post-Acadiafest when
> I can leave this list and no longer be abused by T Bone.

You can do it right now. We do have an illusion of free will
available you know.

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02003-03-08 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 03:56 PM 3/7/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-07 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> >> quiet and thoughtful listener and thinker.  But then he once again
> >
> >The "quiet resolve" gag always brings tears to my eyes,
> >and garners my full 100% support. Because that's how I
> >am too, quiet, thoughtful and determined.
>
> I love you, man!

Get away from me, ice queen!

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02003-03-08 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-06 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > > Before you answer, I feel in fairness compelled to point out that, though
> > > I doubted moron was on the list, I neither stated nor implied whether I
> > > thought the list was a <complimentary> one.
> >
> > What, the list? Forget the list, they are idiots.
>
> interesting slide of topic.

I find it pretty boring, really. We went over it in 91.

> *ponder* Should I restate <list of things you might be called>? Nah.

It's OK ... feel free. Remember I control the subscriber list though.

> Interesting - it's the second group I belong to to discuss "myzulled"
> in a year.

What are the odds?

> I would have to say that I was mizylled about the prounciation of
> "horizon" till I was about 20 or so - I abstracted the pronunciation
> from "horizontal" at abt age 6, I would guess, (and still do sometimes
> when fatigued). Comes from reading above experience level; my daughter
> was miselled about "chorus", alliterating with "church", even when she
> sang in one; and my son, who read The Hobbit before he went to
> kindergarten, is still treating "I have been" as homophonous with
> "I have [a] bean".

Interesting slide ...

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Law to Bar Web Porn To Children Overruled


Associated Press
Saturday, March 8, 2003; Page A03

PHILADELPHIA -- A federal appeals court has ruled that a law meant to
safeguard children against Internet pornography is riddled
with problems that make it "constitutionally infirm."

A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 3rd Circuit
ruled Thursday that the Child Online Protection Act restricted
free speech by barring Web page operators from posting information
inappropriate for minors unless they limited the site to adults.
The ruling upheld an injunction blocking the government from enforcing
the law.

The court said that the law made it too difficult for adults to view
material protected by the First Amendment, including many
non-pornographic sites.

Signed by President Bill Clinton and endorsed by President Bush, the law
is one of several on Internet decency that courts have
struck down.

The American Civil Liberties Union initiated the legal challenge. The
Justice Department, which had argued in favor of the law, may
ask the 3rd Circuit to rehear the case or appeal to the U.S. Supreme
Court.

Previously, the 3rd Circuit had ruled the law unconstitutional on the
ground that it allowed the legality of Internet content to be
judged by "contemporary community standards." On appeal, the Supreme
Court said that evaluation standard alone did not make the law
unconstitutional and sent the case back to the 3rd Circuit for further
evaluation.

In Thursday's opinion, the appeals court said that in seeking to define
material harmful to minors, the law made no distinction
between material inappropriate for a 5-year-old and material harmful to
someone in his or her early teens.

The judges also said that while the law sought to get around free-speech
arguments by making the restrictions apply only to Web
operators who posted material for "commercial purposes," it did not
address what level of profitability was required.

In addition, the court said screening methods suggested by the
government, including requiring Web page viewers to give a credit
card number, would unfairly require adults to identify themselves before
viewing constitutionally protected material, such as
medical sites' sex advice.



J. Godsey
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Selling books since 1980
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On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > *ponder* Should I restate <list of things you might be called>? Nah.
>
> It's OK ... feel free. Remember I control the subscriber list though.

*heavy sigh* someone should <tell> me these things. Is there an FAQ for
WORDS-L? Perhaps it might be titled "what you can expect in return when
you annoy whom".

 I feel like I am playing the Invincible Mao all over again...

OK, Tushar. Have it your way. Among the things you may look like, I learn
that moron may be included.

a humbled
clo

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At 04:22 PM 3/8/2003 -0500, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > *ponder* Should I restate <list of things you might be called>? Nah.
> >
> > It's OK ... feel free. Remember I control the subscriber list though.
>
>*heavy sigh* someone should <tell> me these things. Is there an FAQ for
>WORDS-L? Perhaps it might be titled "what you can expect in return when
>you annoy whom".


http://www.arrirang.net/faq.html

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
= On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
= >
= > > *ponder* Should I restate <list of things you might be called>? Nah.
= >
= > It's OK ... feel free. Remember I control the subscriber list though.
=
= *heavy sigh* someone should <tell> me these things. Is there an FAQ for
= WORDS-L? Perhaps it might be titled "what you can expect in return when
= you annoy whom".
=

This is too much fun.


You should write it.

The first entry should be for Tushar.

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-03-08 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
= > And the ultimate questions:   Why is there a Tushar?
=
= http://asitis.com/4/8.html
=

Well, now at least we know why you are bald!

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> It's OK ... feel free. Remember I control the subscriber list though.

Uh-huh.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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02003-03-08 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > *ponder* Should I restate <list of things you might be called>? Nah.
> >
> > It's OK ... feel free. Remember I control the subscriber list though.
>
> *heavy sigh* someone should <tell> me these things. Is there an FAQ for
> WORDS-L?

http://www.words-l.org/faq.html

Don't *sigh* so *heavi*ly ... it's just a ploy to drive traffic
to the site. I want to sell banner ads on it.

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02003-03-08 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-03-08 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
>
> = > And the ultimate questions:   Why is there a Tushar?
> =
> = http://asitis.com/4/8.html
>
> Well, now at least we know why you are bald!

Good ... that's the only question whose answer I don't know.
What is it?

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 2:23:33 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>> So it seems that there is a SECOND mystery guest. Who is that
>> one????????
>>
>> Adam wouldn't give me a clue...

> I'm still not telling. Nor am I telling Judith, her Paul, or Marie, who are
> now here in addition to Mystery Guest #1.

And now Lisa and Tina are there. But you're still not giving
hints. Though Mareeber said she thought it was a person of the
female persuasion...

Karen
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Hey!  I'm just about to go to a BBQ in SJ at the home of the original
owners of Trials.  They sold their place to our friends when they moved
to France to open a place there.  Our friends swear that Trials is the
best pub ever.

 Sharon

On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Betty wrote:

> Do you know Trials's Pub?  We're thinking of going there to watch the men's
> game on TV after we watch the women's game at HP Pavilion, formerly known
> as San Jose Arena before it became Compaq Center.
>
> Come join us. Ryan can buy you a beer.
>
> Betty
>

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It looked wonderful. No, we had many other things to do. We did go to the
new super-size IKEA which was very cool.


Alec



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> Hey Alec, did you and Heide go to the flower show this year?
>
> -rashmi
>
>

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 4:18:21 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> It looked wonderful. No, we had many other things to do. We did go to the
> new super-size IKEA which was very cool.

<sob> I want an Ikea. And a Trader Joe's.

Karen
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Well, we're going to check it out! Come on by.

Betty

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>owners of Trials.  They sold their place to our friends when they moved
>to France to open a place there.  Our friends swear that Trials is the
>best pub ever.
>
>  Sharon
>
>On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> > Do you know Trials's Pub?  We're thinking of going there to watch the men's
> > game on TV after we watch the women's game at HP Pavilion, formerly known
> > as San Jose Arena before it became Compaq Center.
> >
> > Come join us. Ryan can buy you a beer.
> >
> > Betty
> >

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> Saturday, March 8, 2003, 4:18:21 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> > It looked wonderful. No, we had many other things to do. We did go to
the
> > new super-size IKEA which was very cool.
>
> <sob> I want an Ikea. And a Trader Joe's.
>
> Karen
Move to Wayne, PA. You would have it all.


alec

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At 04:25 PM 3/8/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Saturday, March 8, 2003, 4:18:21 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> > It looked wonderful. No, we had many other things to do. We did go to the
> > new super-size IKEA which was very cool.
>
><sob> I want an Ikea. And a Trader Joe's.

Why?  You don't have any money anyway.

We're on our way to San Jose.

Betty

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 4:28:50 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>> <sob> I want an Ikea. And a Trader Joe's.
>>
>> Karen
> Move to Wayne, PA. You would have it all.

Except I would have more than I wanted--like snow and ice and
dark, dark, dark...

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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Having a good time.   We miss you Bad Betty.  We have a mystery guest this
year -- Paul Barfoot.  But when he was introduced to me, I thought he was
Paul Kuritz and got scared.  I even wiped my hand off after shaking his.
It took me 10 minutes to figure it out.  Then I gave him a hug and everyone
sighed in relief.

Love Judith and her Paul are here.  Lisa and Tina are here.  Melanie is
great.  Paul called Karen and we all got to talk to her.  Well, not Lisa.
That was before they got here.

We arei still waiting for Rashmi, Emily, and what's-his-name.

Driving down took five hours and 20 minutes on the road plus an hour break
for lunch and gas in Portland.  Adam was right to ask.  There aren't many
gas stations right at Interstate intersections in Maine.

Oh goody.  Now the last three have arrived.  Rashmi said I have to tell that
I'm hogging the best chair in the house.  Again.

--bonniev@panax.com

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Thanks, I will but I'm not sure you'll still be there by the time Jim and
I are able to duck out of the BBQ.

 Sharon

On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Betty wrote:

> Well, we're going to check it out! Come on by.
>
> Betty
>
> At 02:16 PM 3/8/2003 -0800, Sharon Ziperovich wrote:
> >Hey!  I'm just about to go to a BBQ in SJ at the home of the original
> >owners of Trials.  They sold their place to our friends when they moved
> >to France to open a place there.  Our friends swear that Trials is the
> >best pub ever.
> >
> >  Sharon
> >
> >On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Betty wrote:
> >
> > > Do you know Trials's Pub?  We're thinking of going there to watch the men's
> > > game on TV after we watch the women's game at HP Pavilion, formerly known
> > > as San Jose Arena before it became Compaq Center.
> > >
> > > Come join us. Ryan can buy you a beer.
> > >
> > > Betty
> > >
>

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 4:31:14 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> Oh goody.  Now the last three have arrived.  Rashmi said I have to tell that
> I'm hogging the best chair in the house.  Again.

Is Melanie there? Who is the 2nd mystery guest?

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 4:35:35 PM, Betty wrote:

> At 04:25 PM 3/8/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Saturday, March 8, 2003, 4:18:21 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>> > It looked wonderful. No, we had many other things to do. We did go to the
>> > new super-size IKEA which was very cool.
>>
>><sob> I want an Ikea. And a Trader Joe's.

> Why?  You don't have any money anyway.

Are you trying to emulate Natalie? Trader Joe's would save me money.

> We're on our way to San Jose.

Do you know the way to San Jose?

Are you hooking up with the Kennster?

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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We'll be there until the Stanford/Cal Men's BB game is over.  It starts at
7.  I haven't looked at your book  yet so I'm not bringing it to return.

Betty

At 02:32 PM 3/8/2003 -0800, Sharon Ziperovich wrote:
>Thanks, I will but I'm not sure you'll still be there by the time Jim and
>I are able to duck out of the BBQ.
>
>  Sharon
>
>On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> > Well, we're going to check it out! Come on by.
> >
> > Betty
> >
> > At 02:16 PM 3/8/2003 -0800, Sharon Ziperovich wrote:
> > >Hey!  I'm just about to go to a BBQ in SJ at the home of the original
> > >owners of Trials.  They sold their place to our friends when they moved
> > >to France to open a place there.  Our friends swear that Trials is the
> > >best pub ever.
> > >
> > >  Sharon
> > >
> > >On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Betty wrote:
> > >
> > > > Do you know Trials's Pub?  We're thinking of going there to watch
> the men's
> > > > game on TV after we watch the women's game at HP Pavilion, formerly
> known
> > > > as San Jose Arena before it became Compaq Center.
> > > >
> > > > Come join us. Ryan can buy you a beer.
> > > >
> > > > Betty
> > > >
> >

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> Is Melanie there? Who is the 2nd mystery guest?
> Karen

Yes, Melanie is here.   We don't know yet who the second mystery guest is.
Hasn't arrived yet.

--bonniev

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At 09:32 PM 3/7/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Friday, March 7, 2003, 9:25:12 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Will be back March 15, afaik.
>
>Don't hurry back.

Bless your heart.

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I think they are ugly.  Make good road kill.

Betty

At 04:26 PM 3/7/2003 -0500, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>Welll, I think possums are cute. But then, I'm not terribly upset
>by other ratlike animals, either. I still think they are a nuisance,
>though, for eating everything in the garden that the raccoons,
>skunks, rabbits, and cabbage moths didn't get first.
>clo
>
>"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> > re: opossums
> > > I don't think they are as numerous as rats, but I consider them a
> > > problem because they come and eat my catfood.
> > >
> > > Karen
> > > "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate,
> tongue,
> > > cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
> > >  --Shinzen Young
> >
> > Just a question - Would something cute eating your catfood be equivalently
> > nuisencious?
> >
> > BrP

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02003-03-08 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 09:32 PM 3/7/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >Friday, March 7, 2003, 9:25:12 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >> Will be back March 15, afaik.
> >
> >Don't hurry back.
>
> Bless your heart.

K-R-N,

This person is an Ice Queen W***e. Please don't pay any attention
to her.

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        Write it.

clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
>>>*ponder* Should I restate <list of things you might be called>? Nah.
>>>
>>It's OK ... feel free. Remember I control the subscriber list though.
>>
>
> *heavy sigh* someone should <tell> me these things. Is there an FAQ for
> WORDS-L? Perhaps it might be titled "what you can expect in return when
> you annoy whom".
>
>  I feel like I am playing the Invincible Mao all over again...
>
> OK, Tushar. Have it your way. Among the things you may look like, I learn
> that moron may be included.
>
> a humbled
> clo
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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From: Diegetic Mutant Hog <whore@words-l.org>
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By the way, if anybody wants a stylingly pimponic @words-l.org
address, mail <whore@words-l.org>. Two provisos:

1 Within reason.

  E.g. don't be asking for mutant@words-l.org, because, come on,
  it's Natalie's if she ever asks for it.

2 Mail will be FORWARDED to your own address (which you should
  mail me). And ALL mail will be forwarded--there is no filtering
  there. You have your own antispam stuff, right?

Basically, I wanted to set up standard "alum" addresses for
everybody, but why run before you walk ...

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From: mem <mem@LAVA.NET>
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On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:50:56 -0800, Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:

>I have the nose picking ones but I was thinking about just a group photo
>from each year.

I set out to give you what you asked for today, but the results aren't
stellar. I've left the images large (I like big pictures), so nobody on a
dial-up link is going to like it very much. I know alternatives; I'm just
too lazy to do it today.

I was surprised, though, that I was unable to find any corresponding group
photos from Toronto, Starkville, and that place in godforsaken-ohio. The
quality of the one from Portland is quite poor. Weren't any such pictures
taken?

The work in progress is accessible from the Words-L FTFs button on the home
page at www.words-l.net.

     mem

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I think it's a little bit weird I've only been to one Fest.
   I remember thinking about going to Wordstock, but waking
up puking.

mem wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:50:56 -0800, Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:
>
>
>>I have the nose picking ones but I was thinking about just a group photo
>>
>>from each year.
>
> I set out to give you what you asked for today, but the results aren't
> stellar. I've left the images large (I like big pictures), so nobody on a
> dial-up link is going to like it very much. I know alternatives; I'm just
> too lazy to do it today.
>
> I was surprised, though, that I was unable to find any corresponding group
> photos from Toronto, Starkville, and that place in godforsaken-ohio. The
> quality of the one from Portland is quite poor. Weren't any such pictures
> taken?
>
> The work in progress is accessible from the Words-L FTFs button on the home
> page at www.words-l.net.
>
>      mem
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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From: "Adam Hartfield" <adamh1@attbi.com>
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Adam told me to post a progress report but no one can decide if we've made
any progress.

Well, <the dish> has been served and was well received.  Some had seconds.
Plates are now being washed.  Dessert will soon follow.

No fights have broken out.  We listened to a bit of Mrs. Miller singing
"Monday, Monday"  We watched a short clip of last year's SnowBash video.
Tina was impressed with the view and sound of Natalie.

Conversation is flowing.  Many are impressed with the microbrewery ale and
stout that Clyde brought along:  Cadillac Mountain Stout and Thunder Hole
Ale by Bar Harbor Brewing Company.

--bonniev

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 7:06:29 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> Well, <the dish> has been served and was well received.  Some had seconds.

I'm hungry!

> Conversation is flowing.  Many are impressed with the microbrewery ale and
> stout that Clyde brought along:  Cadillac Mountain Stout and Thunder Hole
> Ale by Bar Harbor Brewing Company.

He told me a story about this, that someone submitted them to a
contest without their knowledge, and they won the gold and
platinum medals. This is way cool.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Here is the first one today. Usually there are 3-4 by this time.

alyce

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [BI] Diary of a Newsletter Publisher - Capitulo Dos

HERE, HERE.  I always look forward to his posts.

Jennifer

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 7:24:31 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
[about "here, here" for "hear, hear"]

> Here is the first one today. Usually there are 3-4 by this time.

This would be annoying. Can you tell them to fuck off?

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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02003-03-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Saturday, March 8, 2003, 7:24:31 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> [about "here, here" for "hear, hear"]
>
> > Here is the first one today. Usually there are 3-4 by this time.
>
> This would be annoying. Can you tell them to fuck off?

EAMON, SISTER!

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 7:42:47 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Saturday, March 8, 2003, 7:24:31 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
>> [about "here, here" for "hear, hear"]
>>
>> > Here is the first one today. Usually there are 3-4 by this time.
>>
>> This would be annoying. Can you tell them to fuck off?

> EAMON, SISTER!

Eamon?

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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02003-03-08 | mem <mem@LAVA.NET> writes:
> On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:50:56 -0800, Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:
>
> >I have the nose picking ones but I was thinking about just a group photo
> >from each year.
>
> I set out to give you what you asked for today, but the results aren't
> stellar. I've left the images large (I like big pictures), so nobody on a
> dial-up link is going to like it very much. I know alternatives; I'm just
> too lazy to do it today.
>
> I was surprised, though, that I was unable to find any corresponding group
> photos from Toronto, Starkville, and that place in godforsaken-ohio. The
> quality of the one from Portland is quite poor. Weren't any such pictures
> taken?
>
> The work in progress is accessible from the Words-L FTFs button on the home
> page at www.words-l.net.

Also available at http://www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com/FTFs.html ...
Whenever complete or semi-complete, it will immediately be available from
words-l.org.

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Who is the 2nd MG?

Karen
"I am, we are,
Who can distinguish us?"
 --Deena Metzger

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        I'll bet clo travelled down with BrP!

Karen Kay wrote:

> Who is the 2nd MG?
>
> Karen
> "I am, we are,
> Who can distinguish us?"
>  --Deena Metzger
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 8:16:10 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         I'll bet clo travelled down with BrP!

Nope, I know she didn't.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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02003-03-08 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> Also available at http://www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com/FTFs.html ...

I'm taking it down again for a "more thorough mirroring". Everybody's
highly interested, right?

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 8:20:15 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-08 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
>> Also available at http://www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com/FTFs.html ...

> I'm taking it down again for a "more thorough mirroring". Everybody's
> highly interested, right?

YES!

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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        Just as well.  Can't give away too many of our secrets right
up front.

Karen Kay wrote:

> Saturday, March 8, 2003, 8:16:10 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        I'll bet clo travelled down with BrP!
>>
>
> Nope, I know she didn't.
>
> Karen
> "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
> cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>  --Shinzen Young
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 8:28:43 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         Just as well.  Can't give away too many of our secrets right
> up front.

Hmmmmmmmmmm...............

What don't you want told about you, Rita?

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
Subject: rampant materialism
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While the festers were festering, I went shopping today.
Most of my purchases were boring (clearance rack clothes,
free gift days at Estee Lauder!, and Yankee candles), we did
get a new digi camera -- an Olympus D-520 Zoom.  Looks
pretty nifty -- way niftier than my old HP PhotoSuck.  Maybe
I'll bring it to Maine.

We got all the way up to 79 degrees today.  Fabu!  But the
Alfa wouldn't start so I couldn't take Ana out top-downing.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Karen Kay wrote:

> Saturday, March 8, 2003, 8:28:43 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        Just as well.  Can't give away too many of our secrets right
>>up front.
>>
>
> Hmmmmmmmmmm...............
>
> What don't you want told about you, Rita?



        Golly gee, I don't know.  Have any in mind?




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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02003-03-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Also available at http://www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com/FTFs.html ...
>
> > I'm taking it down again for a "more thorough mirroring". Everybody's
> > highly interested, right?
>
> YES!

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 8:36:01 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> What don't you want told about you, Rita?

>         Golly gee, I don't know.  Have any in mind?

No.:)

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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02003-03-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Saturday, March 8, 2003, 8:36:01 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >> What don't you want told about you, Rita?
>
> >         Golly gee, I don't know.  Have any in mind?
>
> No.:)

LOL!

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 8:36:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> Also available at http://www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com/FTFs.html ...
>>
>> > I'm taking it down again for a "more thorough mirroring". Everybody's
>> > highly interested, right?
>>
>> YES!

> Certainly Bobby Brandom would be. My plan is to bring the rogue
> server (arrirang) down to its knees by mirroring it every day at
> www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com. Then whenever warez-master MEM
> says something's ready ... I simply slam it into the words-l.org
> area. Pax Tmetica in the house ...

Kew-L.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>
>>Saturday, March 8, 2003, 8:36:01 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>>
>>>>What don't you want told about you, Rita?
>>>>
>>>        Golly gee, I don't know.  Have any in mind?
>>>
>>No.:)
>>
>
> LOL!


        I agree!



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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02003-03-08 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >02003-03-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >
> >>Saturday, March 8, 2003, 8:36:01 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >>
> >>>Karen Kay wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>What don't you want told about you, Rita?
> >>>>
> >>>       Golly gee, I don't know.  Have any in mind?
> >>>
> >>No.:)
> >>
> >
> >LOL!

What do you say, aren't I the coolest damn person you
have ever met?

>        I agree!
>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita

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Well, it just goes downhill. Get this:

"Does this description of a book tweak anyones memory? "a lady captured
by
Indians who eventually escapes and walks a thousand miles up a river to
her
home? " Possibly the Michigan River, although that is not certain."

The 1000-mile Michigan River?

Oh my god.

alyce
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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 9:09:09 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Well, it just goes downhill. Get this:

> "Does this description of a book tweak anyones memory? "a lady captured
> by
> Indians who eventually escapes and walks a thousand miles up a river to
> her
> home? " Possibly the Michigan River, although that is not certain."

> The 1000-mile Michigan River?

> Oh my god.

This is Hannah Duston. A genuine WLM! Though it wasn't 1000
miles.

As for rivers... How long is the Colorado? It's got to be several
hundred miles.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Karen Kay wrote:
> This is Hannah Duston. A genuine WLM! Though it wasn't 1000
> miles.
>
Are you saying that it was the MICHIGAN River? I never have heard of a
Michigan RIver.

alyce

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-08 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>
>>>02003-03-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Saturday, March 8, 2003, 8:36:01 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>What don't you want told about you, Rita?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>      Golly gee, I don't know.  Have any in mind?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>No.:)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>LOL!
>>>
>
> What do you say, aren't I the coolest damn person you
> have ever met?
>
>
>>       I agree I've never met you!
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>


--
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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 9:18:40 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> This is Hannah Duston. A genuine WLM! Though it wasn't 1000
>> miles.
>>
> Are you saying that it was the MICHIGAN River? I never have heard of a
> Michigan RIver.

No, it was in Massachusetts.

Isn't there a Michigan River, Indiana? There's one in Colorado:
http://www.discountflies.com/states/colorado/rivers/michigan_river.htm

None in Michigan that I know of.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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LOL

Saturday, March 8, 2003, 9:19:15 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:

> Tushar Samant wrote:

>> 02003-03-08 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>
>>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>02003-03-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Saturday, March 8, 2003, 8:36:01 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What don't you want told about you, Rita?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Golly gee, I don't know.  Have any in mind?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>No.:)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>LOL!
>>>>
>>
>> What do you say, aren't I the coolest damn person you
>> have ever met?
>>
>>
>>>       I agree I've never met you!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>>
>>


> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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02003-03-08 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-08 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>>02003-03-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >>>>Saturday, March 8, 2003, 8:36:01 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >>>>>Karen Kay wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>What don't you want told about you, Rita?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>     Golly gee, I don't know.  Have any in mind?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>No.:)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>LOL!
> >>>
> >
> >What do you say, aren't I the coolest damn person you
> >have ever met?
> >
> >
> >>      I agree I've never met  anybody as truly fucking cool as
> >> you!
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita


Stop, I'm blushing!

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02003-03-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> LOL

I agree

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Isn't there a Michigan River, Indiana?

DOn't know. News to me.

> There's one in Colorado:

More news to me.

alyce

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02003-03-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Saturday, March 8, 2003, 9:18:40 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >> This is Hannah Duston. A genuine WLM! Though it wasn't 1000
> >> miles.
> >>
> > Are you saying that it was the MICHIGAN River? I never have heard of a
> > Michigan RIver.
>
> No, it was in Massachusetts.
>
> Isn't there a Michigan River, Indiana? There's one in Colorado:
> http://www.discountflies.com/states/colorado/rivers/michigan_river.htm
>
> None in Michigan that I know of.

You see, Alyce ... it's because of blithering maundering responses
like this that these booksellers think their statements are not
really appallingly STUPID or anything ... they think they are
valid depending on your point of view.

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Didn't show.  And now people are leaving.   But Adam said MG will come to
breakfast tomorrow.

--bonniev


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>
> Who is the 2nd MG?
>
> Karen
> "I am, we are,
> Who can distinguish us?"
>  --Deena Metzger
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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 9:25:36 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> Isn't there a Michigan River, Indiana?

> DOn't know. News to me.

It's Michigan City, IN. Duh.

>> There's one in Colorado:

> More news to me.

Your basic point, that whoever posted what they did is an ass, is
well-taken, however.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 9:29:37 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> You see, Alyce ... it's because of blithering maundering responses
> like this that these booksellers think their statements are not
> really appallingly STUPID or anything ... they think they are
> valid depending on your point of view.

BITE YOUR TONGUE, OREOTU!

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 9:31:05 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
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> breakfast tomorrow.

Dish on Emily's boyfriend!

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> You see, Alyce ... it's because of blithering maundering responses
> like this that these booksellers think their statements are not
> really appallingly STUPID or anything ... they think they are
> valid depending on your point of view.

Yes, but it is hard to get used to it. Now I am wondering how many
Michigan Rivers there really are. If I knew that, as well as their
breadth and depth, I could compute how many gallons of water they
contain. That probably would be pretty interesting.

alyce

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Alyce,
TTTTTHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!
My husband, my sis, and I were literally going nutso, trying to remember
the
name of the book.
======================
I sent her the URL of the Hannah Duston bibliography. She found what she
wanted on it. She now loves me. And I think she now knows it was not the
Michigan River.

alyce

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02003-03-08 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > You see, Alyce ... it's because of blithering maundering responses
> > like this that these booksellers think their statements are not
> > really appallingly STUPID or anything ... they think they are
> > valid depending on your point of view.
>
> Yes, but it is hard to get used to it. Now I am wondering how many
> Michigan Rivers there really are. If I knew that, as well as their
> breadth and depth, I could compute how many gallons of water they
> contain. That probably would be pretty interesting.

Just call them Tennessee Rivers when posting. That would be cool.

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02003-03-08 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> I sent her the URL of the Hannah Duston bibliography. She found what she
> wanted on it. She now loves me. And I think she now knows it was not the
> Michigan River.

Sure, she knows

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 9:38:14 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>> You see, Alyce ... it's because of blithering maundering responses
>> like this that these booksellers think their statements are not
>> really appallingly STUPID or anything ... they think they are
>> valid depending on your point of view.

> Yes, but it is hard to get used to it. Now I am wondering how many
> Michigan Rivers there really are. If I knew that, as well as their
> breadth and depth, I could compute how many gallons of water they
> contain. That probably would be pretty interesting.

We did a Words-l survey many years ago, maybe in 1991, that
showed that many people conflate all the M states. I'm not
surprised at the bookseller's error.

Oh, and it was the Merrimack River down which she escaped.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Hannah is known by others, as it turns out.

From: "J Godsey" <gods@attbi.com>
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Hannah Duston, the mother of 17 children, lived in Haverhill, where she
and 3 others were taken prisoner by some pissed off native americans and
taken upriver to an island near Boscawen about 30 miles or so, where she
scalped her captors in their sleep and came home to claim the bounty on
their hair. Which was only paid to
her husband since she was not a man.

there is a very nice well researched fictionalized account of her life
written by the mother of a friend of mine, called GALLANT
WARRIOR by Helen R Mann, (of course i can't find mine, so i must have
lent it to someone)
===========
alyce


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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 9:43:18 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Alyce,
> TTTTTHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX!!!!!!!!!!!!
> !!!!!!!!!!!
> My husband, my sis, and I were literally going nutso, trying to remember
> the
> name of the book.
> ======================
> I sent her the URL of the Hannah Duston bibliography. She found what she
> wanted on it. She now loves me. And I think she now knows it was not the
> Michigan River.

I hate people who spell 'Thanks' with an x. I say we run her
over.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
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Tushar Samant wrote:
> Just call them Tennessee Rivers when posting. That would be cool.

I appreciate that idea. It will certainly clarify things if I do.

alyce


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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> I hate people who spell 'Thanks' with an x. I say we run her
> over.

Except she sent me a card when I was in hospital, so she is a Good
Person.

alyce

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 9:49:44 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I hate people who spell 'Thanks' with an x. I say we run her
>> over.

> Except she sent me a card when I was in hospital, so she is a Good
> Person.

Oops.

Okay, we tie her up and torture her till she promises to stop
spelling thanks with an X!

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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For mystery guest is Ruth Hanschka.

Karen

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Adam says no.    Just Rashmi, Adam, Clyde, me, Emily, and what's-his-name
are left here.

         --bonnie

> For mystery guest is Ruth Hanschka.
> Karen

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 10:20:07 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> Adam says no.    Just Rashmi, Adam, Clyde, me, Emily, and what's-his-name
> are left here.

Is he giving hints?

Where did my ET go?

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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On 8 Mar 2003 at 20:36, Tushar Samant wrote:

> My plan is to bring the rogue server (arrirang) down to its knees by
> mirroring it every day at www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com. Then
> whenever warez-master MEM says something's ready ... I simply slam it
> into the words-l.org area. Pax Tmetica in the house ...

Funny you should mention that. I was just on the verge of announcing
the imminent shuttering of that site inasmuch as it is now redundant
with the resurrection words-l.org.

     mem

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02003-03-08 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@FLEX.COM> writes:
> On 8 Mar 2003 at 20:36, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > My plan is to bring the rogue server (arrirang) down to its knees by
> > mirroring it every day at www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com. Then
> > whenever warez-master MEM says something's ready ... I simply slam it
> > into the words-l.org area. Pax Tmetica in the house ...
>
> Funny you should mention that. I was just on the verge of announcing
> the imminent shuttering of that site inasmuch as it is now redundant
> with the resurrection words-l.org.

Wo o o o o o o o HOLD UP!!!!!!!! Hosting is one thing war3zmaster,
and maintaining is the another thing altogether, or what the hell!
Who's gonna do that? Come on, then!

We need some Universal Peace about who will and can make changes to
the site! You know how people are! Want their pictures all over the
web! FAQs, maps, hell knows what!

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On 8 Mar 2003 at 22:38, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Wo o o o o o o o HOLD UP!!!!!!!! Hosting is one thing war3zmaster, and
> maintaining is the another thing altogether, or what the hell! Who's
> gonna do that? Come on, then!

I thought you were buying the whole package. Maybe you need to go
back to the seller and determine whether a truthful declaration of
the terms was made in the bill of sale.

I keep thinking it's a good thing Rita didn't show up a Wordstock.
You and I would likely have ended up in a fistfight, and an old guy
like me doesn't stand a chance.

   mem

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> The work in progress is accessible from the Words-L FTFs button
> on the home
> page at www.words-l.net.
>
>      mem

Very nice work, mem. Thank you.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Saturday, March 8, 2003, 8:16:10 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >         I'll bet clo travelled down with BrP!
>
> Nope, I know she didn't.
>
> Karen
> "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
> cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>  --Shinzen Young
>
No, too shy - but that would have been fun too!
clo

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From: "Adam Hartfield" <adamh1@attbi.com>
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> Is he giving hints?

Nope, no hints. Tina and Marie tried to worm it out of me, but I was
resolute and rebuffed their wily attempts.

> Where did my ET go?

Back home. I wish he'd stayed the night here, but he had Things To Attend To
At Home tomorrow morning.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> No, too shy - but that would have been fun too!
> clo

I'm sure Paul will regale you with such stories about his good time here
that you'll be just dying to come next year.

I'm wiped and am going to bed! Very good party tonight; 13 people crammed
into my living room really wasn't too bad.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 11:12:06 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> No, too shy - but that would have been fun too!
>> clo

> I'm sure Paul will regale you with such stories about his good time here
> that you'll be just dying to come next year.

She will meet her first Wordsler before then.

> I'm wiped and am going to bed! Very good party tonight; 13 people crammed
> into my living room really wasn't too bad.

Marie said it was 'cozy'.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Saturday, March 8, 2003, 11:08:10 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> Is he giving hints?

> Nope, no hints. Tina and Marie tried to worm it out of me, but I was
> resolute and rebuffed their wily attempts.

You are too good at that, Adam!

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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I think the downloaded version is easier to play--I made it to
490,710 points without much problem--Level 22. I think I've only
managed to do this once before on the online version before it
stole all my memory.

And now, I'm going to bed.

Karen
Proud Thesaurian

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At 05:31 PM 3/8/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>Having a good time.   We miss you Bad Betty.  We have a mystery guest this
>year -- Paul Barfoot.  But when he was introduced to me, I thought he was
>Paul Kuritz and got scared.  I even wiped my hand off after shaking his.
>It took me 10 minutes to figure it out.  Then I gave him a hug and everyone
>sighed in relief.


Did you behave badly and cause tension?


>Love Judith and her Paul are here.  Lisa and Tina are here.  Melanie is
>great.  Paul called Karen and we all got to talk to her.  Well, not Lisa.
>That was before they got here.
>
>We arei still waiting for Rashmi, Emily, and what's-his-name.
>
>Driving down took five hours and 20 minutes on the road plus an hour break
>for lunch and gas in Portland.  Adam was right to ask.  There aren't many
>gas stations right at Interstate intersections in Maine.
>
>Oh goody.  Now the last three have arrived.  Rashmi said I have to tell that
>I'm hogging the best chair in the house.  Again.

How selfish.  I remember stealing it when you went out to smoke.

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At 06:23 PM 3/8/2003 -0600, Diegetic Mutant Hog wrote:
>By the way, if anybody wants a stylingly pimponic @words-l.org
>address, mail <whore@words-l.org>. Two provisos:
>
>1 Within reason.
>
>   E.g. don't be asking for mutant@words-l.org, because, come on,
>   it's Natalie's if she ever asks for it.
>
>2 Mail will be FORWARDED to your own address (which you should
>   mail me). And ALL mail will be forwarded--there is no filtering
>   there. You have your own antispam stuff, right?
>
>Basically, I wanted to set up standard "alum" addresses for
>everybody, but why run before you walk ...

Isn't this how we got all that spam from steph's words-l name and address?

Betty

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At 07:59 PM 3/8/2003 -0500, mem wrote:
>On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:50:56 -0800, Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:
>
> >I have the nose picking ones but I was thinking about just a group photo
> >from each year.
>
>I set out to give you what you asked for today, but the results aren't
>stellar. I've left the images large (I like big pictures), so nobody on a
>dial-up link is going to like it very much. I know alternatives; I'm just
>too lazy to do it today.
>
>I was surprised, though, that I was unable to find any corresponding group
>photos from Toronto, Starkville, and that place in godforsaken-ohio. The
>quality of the one from Portland is quite poor. Weren't any such pictures
>taken?
>
>The work in progress is accessible from the Words-L FTFs button on the home
>page at www.words-l.net.

Thanks, mem!  Looks great! Adam should send in SnowBash.

Betty

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Alec D. Plotkin:
= It looked wonderful. No, we had many other things to do. We did go to the
= new super-size IKEA which was very cool.
=
=
= Alec
=
=

Aren't all Ikeas supersized to begin with?

(I know, I know.  Our Ikea was huge.  Then they made it bigger.)

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-03-08 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
= > Also available at http://www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com/FTFs.html ...
=
= I'm taking it down again for a "more thorough mirroring". Everybody's
= highly interested, right?

It's geeky.  I love it.  Go go go!

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-03-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
= > >> Also available at http://www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com/FTFs.html ...
= >
= > > I'm taking it down again for a "more thorough mirroring". Everybody's
= > > highly interested, right?
= >
= > YES!
=
= Certainly Bobby Brandom would be. My plan is to bring the rogue
= server (arrirang) down to its knees by mirroring it every day at
= www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com. Then whenever warez-master MEM
= says something's ready ... I simply slam it into the words-l.org
= area. Pax Tmetica in the house ...

what's the matter with a direct connection and rsynch?  Or don't
you boys trust each other yet?

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Betty:
= At 06:23 PM 3/8/2003 -0600, Diegetic Mutant Hog wrote:
= >By the way, if anybody wants a stylingly pimponic @words-l.org
= >address, mail <whore@words-l.org>. Two provisos:
= >
= >1 Within reason.
= >
= >   E.g. don't be asking for mutant@words-l.org, because, come on,
= >   it's Natalie's if she ever asks for it.
= >
= >2 Mail will be FORWARDED to your own address (which you should
= >   mail me). And ALL mail will be forwarded--there is no filtering
= >   there. You have your own antispam stuff, right?
= >
= >Basically, I wanted to set up standard "alum" addresses for
= >everybody, but why run before you walk ...
=
= Isn't this how we got all that spam from steph's words-l name and address?
=
= Betty

No.  This is different.  You ask for an email address, tell him
yours, and he forwards all the mail to YOU.

I already told him what to do with all the mail to
steph@words-l.org, cuz you know I don't want it.
forwards the mail to

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-03-08 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > Tushar Samant:
= > = 02003-03-08 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
= >
= > = > And the ultimate questions:   Why is there a Tushar?
= > =
= > = http://asitis.com/4/8.html
= >
= > Well, now at least we know why you are bald!
=
= Good ... that's the only question whose answer I don't know.
= What is it?

All those dudes shave their heads.

(it was weak, man was it weak)

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19:29 07.03.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:

>       It is gloriously warm... 55 degrees.
>
>       Springishnesses:
>
>       1.  Crocuses have bloomed
>       2.  Tulips and daffodils have popped through the crusty earth
>       3.  Maple trees have swollen buds

And I am off to Mo for four days, which is five miles or so south of the Polar circle.

Espen

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>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>Saturday, March 8, 2003, 11:08:10 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > Nope, no hints. Tina and Marie tried to worm it out of me, but I was
> > resolute and rebuffed their wily attempts.
>
>You are too good at that, Adam!

Nope, our feminine wiles didn't have a chance -- this is one stubborn man!

Things that stand out for me re this SnowBashing event:

Adam made a delicious dinner for 13 people crammed in his living room and
didn't seem fazed by it at all.

13 people can exist in a rather small space quite cozily.

Rashmi is Official SnowBash Staff. Make this woman a t-shirt!

Melanie might be the funniest person EVER. Tina was something of a HOOT
herself.

Lisa looks great -- she must have been a "porkah" a hundred pounds
ago--SUHHH!    (?)

I was very happy to see Mystery Guest #1 -- who was thoughtful enough to
bring white roses for all the women in Honor of International Women's Day.
Mine is now in with some tulips on my dining room table, having survived the
(under 2 hour) trip home quite well.

Judith and her Paul seem well and happy. Always a pleasure.

Clyde is a very gentle soul. Bonnie, on the other hand, is a misanthrope.
:-)

Dave is a nice fella. Cute, even. Emily glows.

There was smoking in the parking lot.

Stories we're not allowed to tell were told.




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Oh, and yes, BrPaul does have the most adorable giggle!

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Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

> On 8 Mar 2003 at 22:38, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
>
>>Wo o o o o o o o HOLD UP!!!!!!!! Hosting is one thing war3zmaster, and
>>maintaining is the another thing altogether, or what the hell! Who's
>>gonna do that? Come on, then!
>>
>
> I thought you were buying the whole package. Maybe you need to go
> back to the seller and determine whether a truthful declaration of
> the terms was made in the bill of sale.
>
> I keep thinking it's a good thing Rita didn't show up a Wordstock.
> You and I would likely have ended up in a fistfight, and an old guy
> like me doesn't stand a chance.


        Don't you go dragging me into the middle of this.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On the Emergent Democracy list (which is going to be more about social
tools than democracy itself):

>Hear, hear!

:)

Pete

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>
>>LOL
>>
>
> I agree that Rita has got the Pimp Juice!






--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Sunday, March 9, 2003, 9:09:29 AM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> Bonnie back here at Adam's --  We are collecting to go off to breakfast.

Who is MG2?

Thanks for the dish on E's bf!


Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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> Nope, our feminine wiles didn't have a chance -- this is one stubborn man!

Having three older sisters does that to a guy.

> Adam made a delicious dinner for 13 people crammed in his living room and
> didn't seem fazed by it at all.
>
> 13 people can exist in a rather small space quite cozily.

Cooking dinner was easy. Having a place for everyone to sit was the
worrisome part.

--Adam, enjoying these quiet moments before people arrive to go to breakfast

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Sunday, March 9, 2003, 7:36:15 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> Oh, and yes, BrPaul does have the most adorable giggle!

Mirthful laughter rules!

Karen

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At 10:39 AM 3/9/2003 +0100, steph wrote:
>Tushar Samant:
>= 02003-03-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>= > >> Also available at http://www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com/FTFs.html ...
>= >
>= > > I'm taking it down again for a "more thorough mirroring". Everybody's
>= > > highly interested, right?
>= >
>= > YES!
>=
>= Certainly Bobby Brandom would be. My plan is to bring the rogue
>= server (arrirang) down to its knees by mirroring it every day at
>= www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com. Then whenever warez-master MEM
>= says something's ready ... I simply slam it into the words-l.org
>= area. Pax Tmetica in the house ...
>
>what's the matter with a direct connection and rsynch?  Or don't
>you boys trust each other yet?

I feel the love between them!

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Bonnie back here at Adam's --  We are collecting to go off to breakfast.

> Dish on Emily's boyfriend!
> Karen

He's tall and good looking.  He was fairly quiet without being glum or
silent.  I got a good impression.  The only thing I have against him so far
is that he's from New Hampshire --  one of those "live free and die" guys
that Mainers don't like.


--bonniev

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This just in from another bookseller, who probably is right.
--------
Actually no, it was probably Alexander Thom's
fictionalized account of Mary Ingles real escape from
Indian captors. The title is Follow The River. They did
figure she and another older woman walked 1,000 miles to
get back home. If I remember correctly Thom attempted to
follow their path.
----
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Sunday, March 9, 2003, 9:18:22 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> This just in from another bookseller, who probably is right.

Sounds like it. Here's a Wowessay.com book report on it:
http://www.wowessays.com/dbase/aa4/dli105.shtml

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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>
> Karen
> "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate,
tongue,
> cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>  --Shinzen Young

Each time I read this quote odd sensations spread
over my palate, tongue, cheeks and throat and I
begin to hold my nose.

                                   - D. M.

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Sunday, March 9, 2003, 10:19:09 AM, Doris Markland wrote:

>>
>> Karen
>> "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate,
> tongue,
>> cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>>  --Shinzen Young

> Each time I read this quote odd sensations spread
> over my palate, tongue, cheeks and throat and I


feel compelled to send attachments with list mail?


Karen

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> >> "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the
palate,
> > tongue,
> >> cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
> >>  --Shinzen Young
>
> > Each time I read this quote odd sensations spread
> > over my palate, tongue, cheeks and throat and I
>
>
> feel compelled to send attachments with list mail?
>
>
> Karen

Ah don' know nuthin'
bout no 'tachments.
Ah just hits reply.

        - D. M.

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> Who is MG2?

It was going to be Terry Wild last night, and Terry Wild & kids this morning
at breakfast. No sign of them this morning.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Every year it just gets better and better. Breakfast at Fran's was delicious
as always - the waffle maker had gone kaput, and then they ran out of
regular pancake mix, so they started using malted waffle mix. Made into
blueberry pancakes, and topped with some of Uncle Bill's maple syrup from
Vermont, it was just absolutely delicious.

Judith, Paul, Clyde, and Bonnie just departed; Rashmi, Dave, and Emily left
Fran's to go to Costco.

For this afternoon, I predict much tv-watching and maybe a nap for myself.

--Adam
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Sunday, March 9, 2003, 11:09:24 AM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> Who is MG2?

> It was going to be Terry Wild last night, and Terry Wild & kids this morning
> at breakfast. No sign of them this morning.

Oh, poop! That woulda been great!

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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I know why no one is posting this afternoon.

They are all so bash-full.

               - D. M.

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Sunday, March 9, 2003, 3:38:02 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> I know why no one is posting this afternoon.

> They are all so bash-full.

Some of them were on the phone listening to others of them tell
stories. When Bonnie gets back on line tomorrow or Tuesday, ask
her about her meeting with BrP.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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A lexographer 1st class!! 761,060 points. Next level is 800,000
points.

Karen
"I am, we are,
Who can distinguish us?"
 --Deena Metzger

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> A lexographer 1st class!! 761,060 points. Next level is 800,000
> points.
>
> Karen

Good for you!

Have you noticed that whenever you get a
special bonus gold tile it is usually down
at the bottom or in a corner and it is a
vowel surrounded by vowels or a
consonant surrounded by consonants??

             - D. M.

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Sunday, March 9, 2003, 6:42:22 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>> A lexographer 1st class!! 761,060 points. Next level is 800,000
>> points.
>>
>> Karen

> Good for you!

It's easier with the downloaded version.

> Have you noticed that whenever you get a
> special bonus gold tile it is usually down
> at the bottom or in a corner and it is a
> vowel surrounded by vowels or a
> consonant surrounded by consonants??

Yes. Wait till you get a blue tile!

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Kay" <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 6:39 PM
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> Sunday, March 9, 2003, 6:42:22 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> >> A lexographer 1st class!! 761,060 points. Next level is 800,000
> >> points.
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > Good for you!
>
> It's easier with the downloaded version.
>
> > Have you noticed that whenever you get a
> > special bonus gold tile it is usually down
> > at the bottom or in a corner and it is a
> > vowel surrounded by vowels or a
> > consonant surrounded by consonants??
>
> Yes. Wait till you get a blue tile!
>
> Karen
> "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate,
tongue,
> cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>  --Shinzen Young


Yabbut, are you going to pay money for
the downloaded version?

          - D. M.

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Sunday, March 9, 2003, 6:49:02 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> Yabbut, are you going to pay money for
> the downloaded version?

Uh, no. I'd rather pay my mortgage, TYVM.

But I'm enjoying it while it's freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Party-goers, how long will you be able to attend -fests?

Go to:

http://www.livingto100.com/

Bethany

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Did you get cool toys?

Betty

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>From me, too.

Karen
"Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate, tongue,
cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
 --Shinzen Young

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Happy Birthday, O Lioness Who Springs From The Rock.

--Adam
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I haven't been on for about a week because I was in the hospital. I'm not
completely cured yet, but I wanted to go home. Trying to catch up with my old
e-mail and wishing you a belated happy birthday Anne. Theo

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And also from me -

Bethany

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Belated Happy Birthday, Anne!

Theo, hope you are feeling better quickly.

clo


On Sun, 9 Mar 2003, Theodora Groothof wrote:

> I haven't been on for about a week because I was in the hospital. I'm not
> completely cured yet, but I wanted to go home. Trying to catch up with my old
> e-mail and wishing you a belated happy birthday Anne. Theo
>

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> I haven't been on for about a week because I was in the hospital. I'm
not
> completely cured yet, but I wanted to go home. Trying to catch up with
my old
> e-mail and wishing you a belated happy birthday Anne. Theo
>
Gee.  What happened to you?  Hope you
are feeling much better.

            - D. M.

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I've always wondered why men are so good at identifying cars.
This article explains how they do it:
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/03/09/men.cars.reut/

Karen

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In a message dated 03/09/2003 8:42:05 PM Central Standard Time,
Groothof2@AOL.COM writes:

<<
I haven't been on for about a week because I was in the hospital.
>>

Theo, I'm sorry you've been sick, and I'm happy you're back.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
This account protected by an attack cabbit.

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In a message dated 3/9/2003 10:13:12 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

<< Theo, I'm sorry you've been sick, and I'm happy you're back >>

Thanks Evelyn. I'm afraid that I never get really well again though. I'm
having seizures now on top of everything else :-[ My youngest dau has been
taking care of me, but she has a job to go to too, so life ain't easy right
now. Theo

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In a message dated 3/9/2003 8:26:29 PM, dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

<< gee.  What happened to you?  Hope you

are feeling much better.

 >>

To tell you the truth, I have no idea. The last I remember is dialing 911
because I couldn't reach my daughter, and waking up in the hospital. They
took  X-rays and found an infected bladder, but the worst part was the
seizure I had on top of that.
The bladder hadn't bothered me, but the seizures are nasty. Oh well, I've
been healthy most of my life, so I shouldn't complain. But I DO hope this is
the last of it. Theo

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In a message dated 3/9/2003 8:12:23 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:

<<
Theo, hope you are feeling better quickly.

clo

 >>

Thanks Clo

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In a message dated 3/9/2003 8:26:29 PM, dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

<< Gee.  What happened to you?  Hope you

are feeling much better.

 >>

Yes, I'm feeling better, thanks. I have no idea what happened, because I had
a seizure and passed out. I was taken to the hospital by ambulance, but don't
remember any of it. It was a weird feeling, that's all I can tell you. Theo

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Betty wrote:
>
> Did you get cool toys?

Belated happy birthday, Anne. Sorry for tardiness.

alyce

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19:29 07.03.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
       It is gloriously warm... 55 degrees.

Yesterday I arrived here in Mo i Rana in a heavy fall of snow/sleet. Today we have had rain, snow, blue sky and now storm and rain.

Espen

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In a message dated 03/10/2003 12:06:47 AM Central Standard Time,
Groothof2@AOL.COM writes:

<<
. I'm
having seizures now on top of everything else :-[
>>

Yeah, they're rough, I know.  Are they giving you
anything for them:  Dilantin, phenobarb, or one of
the newer drugs?

Evelyn Duncan
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At 08:18 PM 3/9/2003 -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>Party-goers, how long will you be able to attend -fests?
>
>Go to:
>
>http://www.livingto100.com/
>
>Bethany

according to this I'll be going for another 76 years.

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>
> To tell you the truth, I have no idea. The last I remember is dialing
911
> because I couldn't reach my daughter, and waking up in the hospital.
They
> took  X-rays and found an infected bladder, but the worst part was the
> seizure I had on top of that.
> The bladder hadn't bothered me, but the seizures are nasty. Oh well,
I've
> been healthy most of my life, so I shouldn't complain. But I DO hope
this is
> the last of it. Theo

I hope so too.  Good thing you got that
call through.

           - D. M.

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19:56 09.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>From me, too.

And from me.

Espen

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In a message dated 03/10/2003 9:24:35 AM Central Standard Time,
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<<
19:56 09.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>From me, too.

And from me.


>>

And from me.

Evelyn Duncan
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So, due to fear of mold, I've been re-sealing my bathroom. There
must be a better technique. Currently, I am reduced to slopping
it on, then taking off the excess. Is there a better way to do this?

I think if I were going to do it over, I would not have cut such
a big hole in the tube, but my housemate did it, and he cut along
one of the pre-marked lines.

Karen

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Here's my report:


It was some time friday afternoon that the idea first occurred to me that I might crash
the party.  I emailed Adam for directions, made no promises, and swore him to
silence.

Saturday morning promised to be a fine day and so i decided to go for it.  The trip is
about 225 miles - a familiar distance, though in the opposite direction from my usual
run.

I was the first to arrive.  Adam was finishing lunch and we sat and chatted and
listened to some wonderful music from his <substantial> collection.  Judith and Paul
arrived with the world's best pizza in hand and we noshed our way through the
afternoon as the other bashers arrived. Phone calls from Betty and Karen added to
the festivities.

What a joy to see Judith and Paul (the last time I was in Providence they were not
home) and Marie and Emily again.  First time ftfs with Adam, Clyde, Rashmi, Lisa
and Tina, Emily's Dave and Adam's sister Melanie were delightful as well.  Meeting
Bonnie was eventually ok though I was confused at first when, as I spoke my name,
she withdrew her hand and wiped it on her pants. When it was revealed that a case
of mistaken identity had caused the reaction, all was forgiven.

Bonnie and Clyde brought some really wonderful Bar Harbor microbrews and
everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-Bar-Harbor literature for all.  Clyde's
photographs were beautiful.  There is something very special and touching about
people who live in a place that they are so in love with.

Adam was the perfect host, in spite of being anxious about whether enough sitting
space would be available.  I myself was never worried because I just figured if there
weren't enough chairs, we'd sit on the floor or each other - either one of which would
have been ok with me.

New neighbors were moving in upstairs throughout the day.  I hope we didn't scare
them.  Adam was smart to greet them and advise them that the events in M-1 were
strictly temporary.


<The dish> is every bit as wonderful as it was rumored to be and the tiramisu was
the perfect decadence with which to end the evening.


I made it back to Syracuse in won peace.

BrP




I had a great time.  Adam, thank you for making it all possible.












> Every year it just gets better and better. Breakfast at Fran's was delicious
> as always - the waffle maker had gone kaput, and then they ran out of
> regular pancake mix, so they started using malted waffle mix. Made into
> blueberry pancakes, and topped with some of Uncle Bill's maple syrup from
> Vermont, it was just absolutely delicious.
>
> Judith, Paul, Clyde, and Bonnie just departed; Rashmi, Dave, and Emily left
> Fran's to go to Costco.
>
> For this afternoon, I predict much tv-watching and maybe a nap for myself.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com

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> must be a better technique. Currently, I am reduced to slopping
> it on, then taking off the excess. Is there a better way to do this?


I think "slop it on and take off the excess" pretty well describes my approach to life.

>
> Karen

BrP

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An "I" other than Alyce:
>I consider this a spiritual solution coming

Back in the day, el Papa was trying to arrange
a "strictly spritual" visit to Iraq in 2000 (the
Jubilee) to visit Ur, but for whatever reason,
the binge never came off.

>from religions that have in the past been
>the cause of so much separation.

All three of which sprang from that chap from Ur.

Read the dang book, people!

--
Richard        now is the acceptable time

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 10:48:43 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> I think "slop it on and take off the excess" pretty well describes my approach to life.

Liar. I think you slop it on, slop some more on and don't take off the excess.:)

Karen
who loves her ET and strives to emulate him

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>  bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > And the ultimate questions:   Why is there a Tushar?

Tushar answers:

>http://asitis.com/4/8.html

All is now clear:   "In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate the
miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I advent
Myself millennium after millennium."

Perhaps you should have control over the words-l subscriber list.  That
control you do not now have.


    --bonniev

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>For this afternoon, I predict much tv-watching and maybe a nap for myself.
>--Adam

Indeed it was an astounding success.  Thank you, Adam, for everything.   I
hope you are now rested and recovered.  You are a good host and a wonderful
chef.

We just got home.   Good news on gas stations:  We made it from the Sunoco
station on your corner all the way to Bangor on one tank of gas.  No
problem.  No need to hunt and search for petrol at the exits of I-95 which
astoundingly do not, in fact, have gas stations within close proximity.

Betty Clark, where is our Scrabble game?   I missed you at Snow Bash.   I
vividly remembered that moment of joy on the way to breakfast last year
when we palmed Natalie off on Adam and were free, free, free.  One of the
highlights of this year was to hug each person goodbye and say "See you in
Maine."


    --bonniev

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>
> Yes, it was sad.  If only he had been introduced immediately as "Brother
> Paul."   But standing in New England and being introduced to a "Paul", all
> I could think of was the horrid Paul Kuritz.  I shook his hand and then
> wiped off my hand on my jeans, a fact that Marie noticed and commented
> on.   My heart rate went up.  I thought "Who the hell would invite Paul
> Kuritz of "Real Maine" to a party."   I braced myself for abuse.

I did say my last name, but the ambient noise of your expectations seems to have
drowned it out.


It was an interesting moment.  Only knowing your list face, I wasn't sure if it was a
joke.  I took it as one (if a poor one) and went on from there.  I noted that it was the
first time that I laughed when the lightbulb went on and you flew across the room to
deliver the Hug of Apology [tm].


>
> It must have been a full ten minutes before I realized it was Paul Barfoot
> of the kindly muppet shows and sweet disposition.


I've never done a muppet show in my life.  Muppetry and puppetry are quite different
animals.

>
>
>     --bonniev

BrP

btw - Vova LOVED the Thunder Hole Ale!

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Whew, am I glad I am not the only one to be plagued by intro errors,
and thanks for saving me from a big one!

e.g.
My husband Vance and our neighbor Tom were introduced to each
other while standing by a noisy road. Tom, misunderstanding, stuck
out his hand and said, "Dan, good to meet you". Vance, thinking he
was being corrected after calling Tom "Tom", replied heartily, Dan,
it's a pleasure". They called each other Dan for 6 years, much to
the amusement of their wives, who happened to both be named
"Carolyn".

But I have been mishearing "Vova" for a couple of years now, and
Paul, you can't imagine my relief to see it written before I meet him
in person!

clo

"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> >
> > Yes, it was sad.  If only he had been introduced immediately as "Brother
> > Paul."   But standing in New England and being introduced to a "Paul", all
> > I could think of was the horrid Paul Kuritz.  I shook his hand and then
> > wiped off my hand on my jeans, a fact that Marie noticed and commented
> > on.   My heart rate went up.  I thought "Who the hell would invite Paul
> > Kuritz of "Real Maine" to a party."   I braced myself for abuse.
>
> I did say my last name, but the ambient noise of your expectations seems to have
> drowned it out.
>
> It was an interesting moment.  Only knowing your list face, I wasn't sure if it was a
> joke.  I took it as one (if a poor one) and went on from there.  I noted that it was the
> first time that I laughed when the lightbulb went on and you flew across the room to
> deliver the Hug of Apology [tm].
>
> >
> > It must have been a full ten minutes before I realized it was Paul Barfoot
> > of the kindly muppet shows and sweet disposition.
>
> I've never done a muppet show in my life.  Muppetry and puppetry are quite different
> animals.
>
> >
> >
> >     --bonniev
>
> BrP
>
> btw - Vova LOVED the Thunder Hole Ale!

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>>Some of them were on the phone listening to others of them tell
>>stories. When Bonnie gets back on line tomorrow or Tuesday, ask
>>her about her meeting with BrP.        --Karen
>
>Yes, it was sad.  If only he had been introduced immediately
>as "Brother
>Paul."   But standing in New England and being introduced to a
>"Paul", all
>I could think of was the horrid Paul Kuritz.  I shook his hand and then
>wiped off my hand on my jeans, a fact that Marie noticed and commented
>on.   My heart rate went up.  I thought "Who the hell would invite Paul
>Kuritz of "Real Maine" to a party."   I braced myself for abuse.
>
>It must have been a full ten minutes before I realized it was
>Paul Barfoot
>of the kindly muppet shows and sweet disposition.
>
>
>    --bonniev
>

Remind me. What was so horrible about Paul Kuritz?


alec

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Here's my report:

Left Nashua, NH around 3:15.  Stopped once for coffee. Arrived in
Springfield around 4:45.

Immediately thought Paul was Clyde. As I was guess wrong I saw the real
Clyde out of the corner of my eye. Confusion set into my brain as I
attempted to say and hug everyone hello while at the same time introducing
Tina.

Paul introduced himself to me. I was incredibly happy to have had the
opportunity to meet him and most thankful for the thoughtful gift of a
white rose for International Women's Day.

It was great to see Marie again, it's been a long, long time. She's as kick
ass as ever. One surprise was her reaction to the phrase, "No Suhhh!".

Rashmi looks terrific as well. Tina thinks Rashmi is the best. I think she
wants to go drinking with her. If Rashmi remembers my wine-expo story, she
will not go drinking with Tina.

Bonnie and I dished.  She does have a crush on me.

Tina and Bonnie dished. Tina now thinks of wordslers what Bonnie thinks of
wordslers.

Paul and Judith look well which is a good thing as they're both having a
few troubles here and there.

Whomever say Emily glows was right. That cutie boyfriend of hers suits her
well.

Clyde is a great guy. I knew I would enjoy talking to him.

Melanie is indeed funny.

Adam did a terrific job of mixing music, fantastic food and the right
amount of sitting space. I'm glad he hosts this gig every year, I think
we're all grateful to him for his efforts.

Tina is also thankful to Adam for hosting even if he didn't tell her who
the mystery guest was. She enjoyed meeting everyone (and believe me she was
highly skeptical) and is looking forward to Bar Harbor.

lisa
At 11:46 AM 3/10/2003 -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>Here's my report:
>
>
>It was some time friday afternoon that the idea first occurred to me that
>I might crash
>the party.  I emailed Adam for directions, made no promises, and swore him to
>silence.
>
>Saturday morning promised to be a fine day and so i decided to go for
>it.  The trip is
>about 225 miles - a familiar distance, though in the opposite direction
>from my usual
>run.
>
>I was the first to arrive.  Adam was finishing lunch and we sat and
>chatted and
>listened to some wonderful music from his <substantial>
>collection.  Judith and Paul
>arrived with the world's best pizza in hand and we noshed our way through the
>afternoon as the other bashers arrived. Phone calls from Betty and Karen
>added to
>the festivities.
>
>What a joy to see Judith and Paul (the last time I was in Providence they
>were not
>home) and Marie and Emily again.  First time ftfs with Adam, Clyde,
>Rashmi, Lisa
>and Tina, Emily's Dave and Adam's sister Melanie were delightful as
>well.  Meeting
>Bonnie was eventually ok though I was confused at first when, as I spoke
>my name,
>she withdrew her hand and wiped it on her pants. When it was revealed that
>a case
>of mistaken identity had caused the reaction, all was forgiven.
>
>Bonnie and Clyde brought some really wonderful Bar Harbor microbrews and
>everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-Bar-Harbor literature for
>all.  Clyde's
>photographs were beautiful.  There is something very special and touching
>about
>people who live in a place that they are so in love with.
>
>Adam was the perfect host, in spite of being anxious about whether enough
>sitting
>space would be available.  I myself was never worried because I just
>figured if there
>weren't enough chairs, we'd sit on the floor or each other - either one of
>which would
>have been ok with me.
>
>New neighbors were moving in upstairs throughout the day.  I hope we
>didn't scare
>them.  Adam was smart to greet them and advise them that the events in M-1
>were
>strictly temporary.
>
>
><The dish> is every bit as wonderful as it was rumored to be and the
>tiramisu was
>the perfect decadence with which to end the evening.
>
>
>I made it back to Syracuse in won peace.
>
>BrP
>
>
>
>
>I had a great time.  Adam, thank you for making it all possible.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Every year it just gets better and better. Breakfast at Fran's was
> delicious
> > as always - the waffle maker had gone kaput, and then they ran out of
> > regular pancake mix, so they started using malted waffle mix. Made into
> > blueberry pancakes, and topped with some of Uncle Bill's maple syrup from
> > Vermont, it was just absolutely delicious.
> >
> > Judith, Paul, Clyde, and Bonnie just departed; Rashmi, Dave, and Emily left
> > Fran's to go to Costco.
> >
> > For this afternoon, I predict much tv-watching and maybe a nap for myself.
> >
> > --Adam
> > adamh1@attbi.com

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>Some of them were on the phone listening to others of them tell
>stories. When Bonnie gets back on line tomorrow or Tuesday, ask
>her about her meeting with BrP.        --Karen

Yes, it was sad.  If only he had been introduced immediately as "Brother
Paul."   But standing in New England and being introduced to a "Paul", all
I could think of was the horrid Paul Kuritz.  I shook his hand and then
wiped off my hand on my jeans, a fact that Marie noticed and commented
on.   My heart rate went up.  I thought "Who the hell would invite Paul
Kuritz of "Real Maine" to a party."   I braced myself for abuse.

It must have been a full ten minutes before I realized it was Paul Barfoot
of the kindly muppet shows and sweet disposition.


    --bonniev

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> Whew, am I glad I am not the only one to be plagued by intro errors,
> and thanks for saving me from a big one!
>
> e.g.
> My husband Vance and our neighbor Tom were introduced to each
> other while standing by a noisy road. Tom, misunderstanding, stuck
> out his hand and said, "Dan, good to meet you". Vance, thinking he
> was being corrected after calling Tom "Tom", replied heartily, Dan,
> it's a pleasure". They called each other Dan for 6 years, much to
> the amusement of their wives, who happened to both be named
> "Carolyn".
>
> But I have been mishearing "Vova" for a couple of years now, and
> Paul, you can't imagine my relief to see it written before I meet him
> in person!
>
> clo


LOL  What a great story!

Vova is Vladimir (my housemate - for all who don't know that).  Russian names have
multiple permutations.  Some would call him Vladimir Alexseivich (vlaDEEmeer
alekSAY'ch), some would call him Volodia.  I have always called him Vova - the
appropriate nick chioce for good friends.  The problem, which I often forget, is that,
to English-accustomed ears it sounds like my housemate is named for his <point of
origin>.  I'm glad to clear up the misinterpretation, clo.

BrP





>
> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Yes, it was sad.  If only he had been introduced immediately as "Brother
> > > Paul."   But standing in New England and being introduced to a "Paul", all
> > > I could think of was the horrid Paul Kuritz.  I shook his hand and then
> > > wiped off my hand on my jeans, a fact that Marie noticed and commented
> > > on.   My heart rate went up.  I thought "Who the hell would invite Paul
> > > Kuritz of "Real Maine" to a party."   I braced myself for abuse.
> >
> > I did say my last name, but the ambient noise of your expectations seems to have
> > drowned it out.
> >
> > It was an interesting moment.  Only knowing your list face, I wasn't sure if it was a
> > joke.  I took it as one (if a poor one) and went on from there.  I noted that it was the
> > first time that I laughed when the lightbulb went on and you flew across the room to
> > deliver the Hug of Apology [tm].
> >
> > >
> > > It must have been a full ten minutes before I realized it was Paul Barfoot
> > > of the kindly muppet shows and sweet disposition.
> >
> > I've never done a muppet show in my life.  Muppetry and puppetry are quite different
> > animals.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >     --bonniev
> >
> > BrP
> >
> > btw - Vova LOVED the Thunder Hole Ale!

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At 02:25 PM 3/10/2003 -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>btw - Vova LOVED the Thunder Hole Ale!

Good.  I think I missed somewhat on predicting the tastes of those
attending---otherwise I would have brought more stout.

Another little irony.  On our way to Adam's I asked Bonnie if Paul might
come down from Syracuse.  She said that she thought not, that you seldom
made it to Snowbash.  Then, there you were, only to be misidentified.  I
almost missed your last name as well in the tumult that greets any arrival.

cwv

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And I am  triply glad that you appear not to have caught exactly
what my particular permutation was (unless that's the reference
to origins)!
clo

"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> > Whew, am I glad I am not the only one to be plagued by intro errors,
> > and thanks for saving me from a big one!
> >
> > e.g.
> > My husband Vance and our neighbor Tom were introduced to each
> > other while standing by a noisy road. Tom, misunderstanding, stuck
> > out his hand and said, "Dan, good to meet you". Vance, thinking he
> > was being corrected after calling Tom "Tom", replied heartily, Dan,
> > it's a pleasure". They called each other Dan for 6 years, much to
> > the amusement of their wives, who happened to both be named
> > "Carolyn".
> >
> > But I have been mishearing "Vova" for a couple of years now, and
> > Paul, you can't imagine my relief to see it written before I meet him
> > in person!
> >
> > clo
>
> LOL  What a great story!
>
> Vova is Vladimir (my housemate - for all who don't know that).  Russian names have
> multiple permutations.  Some would call him Vladimir Alexseivich (vlaDEEmeer
> alekSAY'ch), some would call him Volodia.  I have always called him Vova - the
> appropriate nick chioce for good friends.  The problem, which I often forget, is that,
> to English-accustomed ears it sounds like my housemate is named for his <point of
> origin>.  I'm glad to clear up the misinterpretation, clo.
>
> BrP

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>Remind me. What was so horrible about Paul Kuritz?
>alec

When Clyde and I announced that we were moving to Maine and started talking
about what a house would cost, where on MDI we wanted to live, etc.,  Paul
Kuritz talked about it for awhile.  And then, suddenly, in a move I never
understood (and nor did any other wordsler that I have asked), he turned on
me and got very, very unpleasant about how I didn't know squat about Maine
and how I would be one of those people who would try to yuppify Maine, and
on and on and on.

It really hurt me.  The saddest thing, from my point of view, was that I no
longer felt free to share my excitement about the move to Maine.   I just
shut up about it.  Until Paul left the list.


    --bonniev

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> And I am  triply glad that you appear not to have caught exactly
> what my particular permutation was (unless that's the reference
> to origins)!
> clo

If your mishearing of the name is the same one that many others have (mis)heard,
the origins reference stands.

BrP






>
> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> > > Whew, am I glad I am not the only one to be plagued by intro errors,
> > > and thanks for saving me from a big one!
> > >
> > > e.g.
> > > My husband Vance and our neighbor Tom were introduced to each
> > > other while standing by a noisy road. Tom, misunderstanding, stuck
> > > out his hand and said, "Dan, good to meet you". Vance, thinking he
> > > was being corrected after calling Tom "Tom", replied heartily, Dan,
> > > it's a pleasure". They called each other Dan for 6 years, much to
> > > the amusement of their wives, who happened to both be named
> > > "Carolyn".
> > >
> > > But I have been mishearing "Vova" for a couple of years now, and
> > > Paul, you can't imagine my relief to see it written before I meet him
> > > in person!
> > >
> > > clo
> >
> > LOL  What a great story!
> >
> > Vova is Vladimir (my housemate - for all who don't know that).  Russian names have
> > multiple permutations.  Some would call him Vladimir Alexseivich (vlaDEEmeer
> > alekSAY'ch), some would call him Volodia.  I have always called him Vova - the
> > appropriate nick chioce for good friends.  The problem, which I often forget, is that,
> > to English-accustomed ears it sounds like my housemate is named for his <point of
> > origin>.  I'm glad to clear up the misinterpretation, clo.
> >
> > BrP

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At 02:40 PM 3/10/2003 -0500, lisa alfieri wrote:

>Immediately thought Paul was Clyde.

Being mistaken for each other happens to us a lot.  Sometimes, we both are
mistaken for Tushar, but after a few drinks, we get over it.

cwv

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>>The work in progress is accessible from the Words-L FTFs button on the home
>>page at www.words-l.net.
>
>Thanks, mem!  Looks great! Adam should send in SnowBash.
>Betty

Just as I predicted, without you there Betty, there were no digital cameras.


    --bonniev

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Marie wrote:

>Clyde is a very gentle soul. Bonnie, on the other hand, is a misanthrope.
>:-)

Yes.  From now on I shall refer to myself as a misanthrope instead of a
recluse.   Misanthrope is more accurate.    Do you still think I'd last
even three days on any version of Survivor?


    --bonniev

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note to self for future FAQ:

BrPaul will correct your notions of puppets.
Some will call you "mutant" "nerd" or "yuppets".
Bonnie will wash hands after touching thars;
Tushar will imply you drink at wimpy bars.

Paul K will bar you from infecting his state;
Someone will reference your balding pate.
Rita will  tell you to fuck off (charmingly);
Natalie and Doris will do so alarmingly.

I see that I have at least one more stanza and a
chorus to go before I can feel I am not a newbie.
Back to work pissing wordslers off - hey, it's
research, so it's a good thing, right? .

clo

bonniev wrote:

> >Remind me. What was so horrible about Paul Kuritz?
> >alec
>
> When Clyde and I announced that we were moving to Maine and started talking
> about what a house would cost, where on MDI we wanted to live, etc.,  Paul
> Kuritz talked about it for awhile.  And then, suddenly, in a move I never
> understood (and nor did any other wordsler that I have asked), he turned on
> me and got very, very unpleasant about how I didn't know squat about Maine
> and how I would be one of those people who would try to yuppify Maine, and
> on and on and on.
>
> It really hurt me.  The saddest thing, from my point of view, was that I no
> longer felt free to share my excitement about the move to Maine.   I just
> shut up about it.  Until Paul left the list.
>
>     --bonniev

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After some of the horror stories of weather at other Snowbashes, it was a
relief to have beautiful weather throughout the weekend.

Being more of a recluse than is Bonnie (who was unmasked---by Marie---as no
recluse but rather a misanthrope), this was the first time I met any of the
attendees.

I could not look at Love Judith's Paul without thinking of Hal Holbrook
when he starred as the narrator in "Our Town."

The top story-tellers of the evening were Lisa and Tina.  Not only can they
combine on a great story, they don't jump on each others' lines.

Adam is a great host.  His Dish would be outstanding anywhere, but when one
considers that he cooks it while wedged in one corner of a closet-sized
kitchen and while everyone else is wandering into the area, looking for
drinks or glasses or whatever, it borders on the miraculous.

Occasionally on this list, mention is made of "list personnas."  What
struck me was that everyone was pretty much how I thought they would
be---no big surprises.  One of the nice things was how easily the party
could move from one all-inclusive discussion to private or small-group
discussions and back again, so smoothly.

cwv

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=
= Adam is a great host.  His Dish would be outstanding anywhere, but when one

While certainly Adam has made it his own, I thought the Dish was
actually Judith's.  No?

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try words-l.net instead.
Didn't Tushar say something about taking if offline to work on it?
clo

"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> I can't seem to reach it.
>
> alec

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of bonniev
>Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 2:57 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>>Remind me. What was so horrible about Paul Kuritz?
>>alec
>
>When Clyde and I announced that we were moving to Maine and
>started talking
>about what a house would cost, where on MDI we wanted to live,
>etc.,  Paul
>Kuritz talked about it for awhile.  And then, suddenly, in a
>move I never
>understood (and nor did any other wordsler that I have asked),
>he turned on
>me and got very, very unpleasant about how I didn't know squat
>about Maine
>and how I would be one of those people who would try to
>yuppify Maine, and
>on and on and on.
>
>It really hurt me.  The saddest thing, from my point of view,
>was that I no
>longer felt free to share my excitement about the move to
>Maine.   I just
>shut up about it.  Until Paul left the list.
>
>
>    --bonniev
>

Thanks. I did not remember these events. I remember him and he was gone. We
have had so many leave and enter our community, it is hard to track who
left, offended or stayed.

alec

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My brother, being helpful, sent these words of advice for a
hopeful writer; and I thought they were so good, that I am
passing them on to you. Hope you find them as inspiring as I
have!

clo

*********Fowarded Message: *********
Subject: RE: poetry web site
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:52:32 -0500

I looked thru several poems, and I had several of my co workers look
them over too. I really liked some of them, but some of my friends had
comments (see below).

A few comments from my coworkers:

If you want people to be interested in the things you're writing, write
about more interesting things. I'd recommend trying to get a few lines
in about fishing, hunting, football, or cars in each one.

Try to make some of these shorter. I think you'll find that you can
save paper and alot of people's time by cutting the poems down
to one or two lines. People can also focus on the point you're
trying to get across when the message is short and concise.

Poetry rhymes. Try looking at a Dr Suess book for some good
rhyming word that you could incorporate in the poetry.

If you want alot of people to read these, try emailing them to a large
distribution list. Some folks would refer this this as SPAM, but it will

reach an audience. If you send them to enough people, some of them
are bound to be interested.

Another way to raise the interest level in these is to run an internet
contest on the same website. Offer a free trip to disneyworld for
the first person to find a particular phrase.

Good luck and let me know if you want me to get more input

-N.

clo

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I can't seem to reach it.


alec

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On 10 Mar 2003 at 16:11, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

> I can't seem to reach it.

The system is alive, though the web pages don't display. Maybe T-
Bone is working on it.


    mem

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> My brother, being helpful, sent these words of advice for a
> hopeful writer; and I thought they were so good, that I am
> passing them on to you. Hope you find them as inspiring as I
> have!
>
> clo

They were awe inspiring.

Awe shucks.

         - D. M.

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Yes, it was supposed to be me.   I really wanted to go Sat. but couldn't
get a babysitter at a reasonable time to make the 4 hour commute worth it.
I'd want to visit for more than an hour or two.   I got a little
overzealous thinking I could commute 4 hours with 3 children to go to a
restaurant for breakfast.  By morning reality had set in. I will plan
better next year.

Terry
--On Sunday, March 09, 2003, 1:42 PM -0600 Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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> Sunday, March 9, 2003, 11:09:24 AM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>>> Who is MG2?
>
>> It was going to be Terry Wild last night, and Terry Wild & kids this
>> morning at breakfast. No sign of them this morning.
>
> Oh, poop! That woulda been great!
>
> Karen
> "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate,
> tongue, cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
>  --Shinzen Young

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On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:11:19 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU>
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>I can't seem to reach it.
>

Appears to be working now.

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02003-03-10 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> On 10 Mar 2003 at 16:11, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
> > I can't seem to reach it.
>
> The system is alive, though the web pages don't display. Maybe T-
> Bone is working on it.

Nope--I am as surprised as everyone. I wrote him an email some time
ago--no response yet, but it did come back up.

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>>http://www.livingto100.com/
>
>according to this I'll be going for another 76 years.
>--Lisa A.


Were you honest on the drinking question??   I don't think the world is
ready for another 76 years of you! ;-)


    --bonniev

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> >>http://www.livingto100.com/
> >
> >according to this I'll be going for another 76 years.
> >--Lisa A.
>
>
> Were you honest on the drinking question??   I don't think the world
is
> ready for another 76 years of you! ;-)
>
>
>     --bonniev

How old would that make Lisa?

By the way, I told the truth on the test
in regard to alcohol and then later went
back and lied and it only made a difference
of a year or two.  I'm still set to make
93 or 94.  So they say.  Ha.

               - D. M.

          - D. M.

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>How old would that make Lisa?

I would guess it would make her over 106.

>By the way, I told the truth on the test
>in regard to alcohol and then later went
>back and lied and it only made a difference
>of a year or two.  I'm still set to make
>93 or 94.  So they say.  Ha.
>                - D. M.

They have me down for 94.6.  So now I have another death date to think
about.  You should go back and give all the "right" answers and see what
you get.


    --bonniev

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02003-03-09 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Betty:
> = At 06:23 PM 3/8/2003 -0600, Diegetic Mutant Hog wrote:
> = >By the way, if anybody wants a stylingly pimponic @words-l.org
> = >address, mail <whore@words-l.org>. Two provisos:
> = >
> = >1 Within reason.
> = >
> = >   E.g. don't be asking for mutant@words-l.org, because, come on,
> = >   it's Natalie's if she ever asks for it.
> = >
> = >2 Mail will be FORWARDED to your own address (which you should
> = >   mail me). And ALL mail will be forwarded--there is no filtering
> = >   there. You have your own antispam stuff, right?
> = >
> = >Basically, I wanted to set up standard "alum" addresses for
> = >everybody, but why run before you walk ...
> =
> = Isn't this how we got all that spam from steph's words-l name and address?
>
> No.  This is different.  You ask for an email address, tell him
> yours, and he forwards all the mail to YOU.

Thanks for defending me against the ice queen, "Steph". You
try to do good to a person and this is the thanks you get ...

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 2:45:59 PM, steph wrote:
> While certainly Adam has made it his own, I thought the Dish was
> actually Judith's.  No?

Yes.

Karen
who had a very good day

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02003-03-09 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-03-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> = > >> Also available at http://www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com/FTFs.html ...
> = >
> = > > I'm taking it down again for a "more thorough mirroring". Everybody's
> = > > highly interested, right?
> = >
> = > YES!
> =
> = Certainly Bobby Brandom would be. My plan is to bring the rogue
> = server (arrirang) down to its knees by mirroring it every day at
> = www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com. Then whenever warez-master MEM
> = says something's ready ... I simply slam it into the words-l.org
> = area. Pax Tmetica in the house ...
>
> what's the matter with a direct connection and rsynch?  Or don't
> you boys trust each other yet?

Trust somebody who spews web pages out of IIS 5? I think NOT ...
Funny, philipahn.com is on an apache, very VERY funny ...

Secondly, you do not understand the titanic dimensions of this
regime change, "Steph". Two people are making changes to the
site now--war3zmaster MEM and me. The undemocratic one-way
nature of a sync is repugnant to our constitution.

Thirdly, yes, I am getting a lot of spam at steph@words-l.org.
I'll set it to immediate trashing tonight, and also create
addresses for those who have asked for them.

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02003-03-09 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-03-08 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> = > Tushar Samant:
> = > = 02003-03-08 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> = >
> = > = > And the ultimate questions:   Why is there a Tushar?
> = > =
> = > = http://asitis.com/4/8.html
> = >
> = > Well, now at least we know why you are bald!
> =
> = Good ... that's the only question whose answer I don't know.
> = What is it?
>
> All those dudes shave their heads.
>
> (it was weak, man was it weak)

OK, I looked at it on a graphical browser and indeed those guys have
shaved heads. Because you know who they are? They are HARE KRISHNAS
... ha ha ha ha ...

Which probably explains the, um, slightly WEIRD-ASS interpretations
of the verses ... but the site has short citable URLs which is nice.

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02003-03-09 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> This just in from another bookseller, who probably is right.
> --------
> Actually no, it was probably Alexander Thom's
> fictionalized account of Mary Ingles real escape from
> Indian captors. The title is Follow The River. They did
> figure she and another older woman walked 1,000 miles to
> get back home. If I remember correctly Thom attempted to
> follow their path.
> ----

I wonder what's involved in, say, walking to Milwaukee. Or
walking back from Milwaukee to Chicago. Anybody know of a
web site which tells you how to prepare for it etc?

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02003-03-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> I've always wondered why men are so good at identifying cars.
> This article explains how they do it:
> http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/03/09/men.cars.reut/

I completely suck at identifying cars. But again, I have yet
to see a good-looking car ... except maybe old Bentleys or
something.

BTW, I'm not gay

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 5:55:46 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> I've always wondered why men are so good at identifying cars.
>> This article explains how they do it:
>> http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/03/09/men.cars.reut/

> I completely suck at identifying cars.

That doesn't surprise me.

> But again, I have yet to see a good-looking car ... except
> maybe old Bentleys or something.

I think you learn this young or not at all.

> BTW, I'm not gay

I never really considered that you were. Your bald head EXUDES
sexuality.

Oh, wait, that was head grease...

Karen

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02003-03-10 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> When Clyde and I announced that we were moving to Maine and started talking
> about what a house would cost, where on MDI we wanted to live, etc.,  Paul
> Kuritz talked about it for awhile.  And then, suddenly, in a move I never
> understood (and nor did any other wordsler that I have asked), he turned on
> me and got very, very unpleasant about how I didn't know squat about Maine
> and how I would be one of those people who would try to yuppify Maine, and
> on and on and on.
>
> It really hurt me.  The saddest thing, from my point of view, was that
> I no longer felt free to share my excitement about the move to Maine.
> I just shut up about it.  Until Paul left the list.

I thought he was joking--in a slightly heavy-handed way, maybe, but
joking. I mean, we all know his "jokes" absolutely sucked. Then again,
he was an early example of the paternalistic patronizing old-fart style
which gained a lot of popularity for a few years on words-l, so maybe
he wasn't joking ... everybody, please pitch in on this interesting
topic.

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At 05:19 PM 3/10/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-03-09 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> > Tushar Samant:
> > = 02003-03-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > = > >> Also available at
> http://www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com/FTFs.html ...
> > = >
> > = > > I'm taking it down again for a "more thorough mirroring". Everybody's
> > = > > highly interested, right?
> > = >
> > = > YES!
> > =
> > = Certainly Bobby Brandom would be. My plan is to bring the rogue
> > = server (arrirang) down to its knees by mirroring it every day at
> > = www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com. Then whenever warez-master MEM
> > = says something's ready ... I simply slam it into the words-l.org
> > = area. Pax Tmetica in the house ...
> >
> > what's the matter with a direct connection and rsynch?  Or don't
> > you boys trust each other yet?
>
>Trust somebody who spews web pages out of IIS 5? I think NOT ...
>Funny, philipahn.com is on an apache, very VERY funny ...
>
>Secondly, you do not understand the titanic dimensions of this
>regime change, "Steph". Two people are making changes to the
>site now--war3zmaster MEM and me. The undemocratic one-way
>nature of a sync is repugnant to our constitution.
>
>Thirdly, yes, I am getting a lot of spam at steph@words-l.org.
>I'll set it to immediate trashing tonight, and also create
>addresses for those who have asked for them.

I'll wait until you are done to see if it works right before I ask for mine.

IQ

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02003-03-10 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > I completely suck at identifying cars.
>
> That doesn't surprise me.

How so?

> > But again, I have yet to see a good-looking car ... except
> > maybe old Bentleys or something.
>
> I think you learn this young or not at all.

Just for this remark, I am going to learn to identify every *&^$^%
car, truck, bus and tractor there is. Because what you say, madam,
is a nonsense.

> > BTW, I'm not gay
>
> I never really considered that you were. Your bald head EXUDES
> sexuality.
>
> Oh, wait, that was head grease...

Thank you for understanding, K-R-N. I am thinking of tattooing
"I love you this [inline graphic] much" on my head in May. People
simply don't understand. For instance when I atopped at Jimmy's
a few months ago, I ran into S*****, whom I hadn't met for years.
He says, man are you sure about this shaved head thing? You look
black.

Didn't know you needed an NAACP-issued license for that ...

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> I thought he was joking--in a slightly heavy-handed way, maybe, but
> joking. I mean, we all know his "jokes" absolutely sucked.

Never having met PK, even online, seems to be to be the perfect
credential for making pronouncements.

When Bonnie told this story, I remembered vividly moving to
OR in the mid-70's - they were selling "tourist greeting cards"
that said things like "welcome to Oregon - we hope you enjoy
the visit - just don't make it longer than 2 weeks".

It is a problem when you are attached to something that you
see as beautiful because it is pristine, and everyone else is
just aching to touch the merchandise.

Hard to know if PK was imitating people he knew, who talked
that way about "furriners", or meant it. Obviously Bonnie held the
latter interpretation, and you the former.

ps
In the PA mountains, people from "outside" are called
"Flatlanders". I kind of like the 2-dimensional feel of that.

> Then again,
> he was an early example of the paternalistic patronizing old-fart style
> which gained a lot of popularity for a few years on words-l, so maybe
> he wasn't joking ...

Sounds like my kind of guy!

> everybody, please pitch in on this interesting topic.

oh, now I bet you are being sarcastic. *newbie wiggle*
Did I get it right? huh? huh?

clo

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 6:09:42 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-10 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> > I completely suck at identifying cars.
>>
>> That doesn't surprise me.

> How so?

You didn't go to high school here.

>> > But again, I have yet to see a good-looking car ... except
>> > maybe old Bentleys or something.
>>
>> I think you learn this young or not at all.

> Just for this remark, I am going to learn to identify every *&^$^%
> car, truck, bus and tractor there is. Because what you say, madam,
> is a nonsense.

Oh, probably.

> Thank you for understanding, K-R-N. I am thinking of tattooing
> "I love you this [inline graphic] much" on my head in May. People
> simply don't understand. For instance when I atopped at Jimmy's
> a few months ago, I ran into S*****, whom I hadn't met for years.
> He says, man are you sure about this shaved head thing? You look
> black.

> Didn't know you needed an NAACP-issued license for that ...

LOL.

I think you need to stay away from Jimmy's...

Karen

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02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> My brother, being helpful, sent these words of advice for a
> hopeful writer; and I thought they were so good, that I am
> passing them on to you. Hope you find them as inspiring as I
> have!

I think the points about making it short and making it rhyme
were very well put. The rest are somewhat iffy--for instance
there are tons of people interested in things other than
football.

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> I had a great time.  Adam, thank you for making it all possible.

You're welcome, Paul. I'm so glad you came!

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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On 10 Mar 2003 at 17:19, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Trust somebody who spews web pages out of IIS 5? I think NOT ...

What can I say? It's a polite--that is to say, Canadian--company
that provides reliable service at cheap rates. I have no idea why
they choose to do it on MS software. That's their problem.


> Funny, philipahn.com is on an apache, very VERY funny ...

Different company, also cheap, but not very polite (really). I run
hawaiianhistory.org out of the same account.

For my own part, no IIS. One apache and one xitami.


> Secondly, you do not understand the titanic dimensions of this
> regime change, "Steph". Two people are making changes to the
> site now--war3zmaster MEM and me. The undemocratic one-way
> nature of a sync is repugnant to our constitution.

This is true. The era of the auteur Web site is behind. The present
cumbersome arrangement cannot be sustained, however, and will no
doubt give way to something more practical and even more
democratic.


    mem

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> Indeed it was an astounding success.  Thank you, Adam, for everything.   I
> hope you are now rested and recovered.  You are a good host and a
> wonderful chef.

You're welcome, Bonnie, and thanks for the compliments.

I was rested and recovered yesterday, but today has been a total drag-ass
day. Good thing I just had drudge German work to do.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> When Bonnie told this story, I remembered vividly moving to
> OR in the mid-70's - they were selling "tourist greeting cards"
> that said things like "welcome to Oregon - we hope you enjoy
> the visit - just don't make it longer than 2 weeks".

The rude-bastard minority is always going to be more vocal. And
more noticed. For instance, there is always a stupid van of some
kind parked near the coffee shop here, with the sticker "Welcome
to Chicago. Now go home." I have never heard this dumbass tone
from anybody in Chicago, but this one sticker will be remembered
by all who see it.

> It is a problem when you are attached to something that you
> see as beautiful because it is pristine, and everyone else is
> just aching to touch the merchandise.

Yeah, those damn everybody-elses. They have always fucked it up
for me.

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you'd have to know my brother!
His wife says he was seen at the computer, chuckling and
rubbing his hands together as he thought of the most painful
"suggestions" he could throw my way.

My response - I already had sex, drugs, picking up hitchhikers,
& rugged sports like rock-climbing in many poems, so felt
that I had the content are covered; but I was working on an
ode to my old truck (a rhyming one-liner, of course!), just to
be on the safe side.

clo

Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > My brother, being helpful, sent these words of advice for a
> > hopeful writer; and I thought they were so good, that I am
> > passing them on to you. Hope you find them as inspiring as I
> > have!
>
> I think the points about making it short and making it rhyme
> were very well put. The rest are somewhat iffy--for instance
> there are tons of people interested in things other than
> football.

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I love this! The only thing that would improve it would be moving
the van to Detroit or Toledo.
clo

Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > When Bonnie told this story, I remembered vividly moving to
> > OR in the mid-70's - they were selling "tourist greeting cards"
> > that said things like "welcome to Oregon - we hope you enjoy
> > the visit - just don't make it longer than 2 weeks".
>
> The rude-bastard minority is always going to be more vocal. And
> more noticed. For instance, there is always a stupid van of some
> kind parked near the coffee shop here, with the sticker "Welcome
> to Chicago. Now go home." I have never heard this dumbass tone
> from anybody in Chicago, but this one sticker will be remembered
> by all who see it.
>
> > It is a problem when you are attached to something that you
> > see as beautiful because it is pristine, and everyone else is
> > just aching to touch the merchandise.
>
> Yeah, those damn everybody-elses. They have always fucked it up
> for me.

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> Just as I predicted, without you there Betty, there were no
> digital cameras.

D'oh! I have one! I'm borrowing an ancient one from a friend at work. I
guess it's hidden in the pile on my desk...yep, there it is. Oh well!

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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        Good thing he had  "alot" of it.

Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> you'd have to know my brother!
> His wife says he was seen at the computer, chuckling and
> rubbing his hands together as he thought of the most painful
> "suggestions" he could throw my way.
>
> My response - I already had sex, drugs, picking up hitchhikers,
> & rugged sports like rock-climbing in many poems, so felt
> that I had the content are covered; but I was working on an
> ode to my old truck (a rhyming one-liner, of course!), just to
> be on the safe side.
>
> clo
>
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
>
>>02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>>
>>>My brother, being helpful, sent these words of advice for a
>>>hopeful writer; and I thought they were so good, that I am
>>>passing them on to you. Hope you find them as inspiring as I
>>>have!
>>>
>>I think the points about making it short and making it rhyme
>>were very well put. The rest are somewhat iffy--for instance
>>there are tons of people interested in things other than
>>football.
>>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Another reason why Chicago is fine--number of ch*x who showed up
for the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders audition: 2. And both on a lark.
According to the report, almost every other town had teeming throngs
trying for this nasty-ass job. I hope boob job numbers by city are
available someplace, because I'd like to see Chicago last in it.

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YaY!

02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> you'd have to know my brother!
> His wife says he was seen at the computer, chuckling and
> rubbing his hands together as he thought of the most painful
> "suggestions" he could throw my way.
>
> My response - I already had sex, drugs, picking up hitchhikers,
> & rugged sports like rock-climbing in many poems, so felt
> that I had the content are covered; but I was working on an
> ode to my old truck (a rhyming one-liner, of course!), just to
> be on the safe side.
>
> clo
>
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > My brother, being helpful, sent these words of advice for a
> > > hopeful writer; and I thought they were so good, that I am
> > > passing them on to you. Hope you find them as inspiring as I
> > > have!
> >
> > I think the points about making it short and making it rhyme
> > were very well put. The rest are somewhat iffy--for instance
> > there are tons of people interested in things other than
> > football.

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> Adam is a great host.  His Dish would be outstanding anywhere,

Thanks. It's Judith's Dish, though. :) I humbly reproduce it to the best of
my abilities.

> but when one considers that he cooks it while wedged in one corner of a
closet-sized
> kitchen and while everyone else is wandering into the area, looking for
> drinks or glasses or whatever, it borders on the miraculous.

> One of the nice things was how easily the party
> could move from one all-inclusive discussion to private or small-group
> discussions and back again, so smoothly.

Well, Clyde, as you'll find out more in July, the thing Wordslers do best is
talk, followed by eating, followed by Standing Around And Talking.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> >Another reason why Chicago is fine-

Sorry - I missed it - what was the first reason?

> >-number of ch*x who showed up
> >for the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders audition: 2. And both on a lark.
> >According to the report, almost every other town had teeming throngs
> >trying for this nasty-ass job. I hope boob job numbers by city are
> >available someplace, because I'd like to see Chicago last in it.

Now there's a statistic to be proud of keeping. How many do
you think will show up to audition for the actuarial spot?

clo

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Having trouble, though... can't find anything in Dr. Seuss to
rhyme with "truck"....
clo

Tushar Samant wrote:

> YaY!
>
> 02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > you'd have to know my brother!
> > His wife says he was seen at the computer, chuckling and
> > rubbing his hands together as he thought of the most painful
> > "suggestions" he could throw my way.
> >
> > My response - I already had sex, drugs, picking up hitchhikers,
> > & rugged sports like rock-climbing in many poems, so felt
> > that I had the content are covered; but I was working on an
> > ode to my old truck (a rhyming one-liner, of course!), just to
> > be on the safe side.
> >
> > clo
> >
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > 02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > > My brother, being helpful, sent these words of advice for a
> > > > hopeful writer; and I thought they were so good, that I am
> > > > passing them on to you. Hope you find them as inspiring as I
> > > > have!
> > >
> > > I think the points about making it short and making it rhyme
> > > were very well put. The rest are somewhat iffy--for instance
> > > there are tons of people interested in things other than
> > > football.

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 6:38:13 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Having trouble, though... can't find anything in Dr. Seuss to
> rhyme with "truck"....

cluck
duck
muck

Karen

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> > I no longer felt free to share my excitement about the move to Maine.
> > I just shut up about it.  Until Paul left the list.
>
>I thought he was joking--in a slightly heavy-handed way, maybe, but
>joking. I mean, we all know his "jokes" absolutely sucked.

After awhile it didn't really matter if he was joking or not.   Taking a
slam every time I posted something about Maine got exceedingly tiresome.


    --bonniev

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> ps
> In the PA mountains, people from "outside" are called
> "Flatlanders". I kind of like the 2-dimensional feel of that.

This happens in Vermont, too.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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02003-03-10 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, March 10, 2003, 6:09:42 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-10 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> > I completely suck at identifying cars.
> >>
> >> That doesn't surprise me.
> >
> > How so?
>
> You didn't go to high school here.

Well, prepare to be surprised out of your wits!!!! EVERY kid
I knew in high school could identify all sorts of cars!! LOL!
My 5-year-old nephew in the heart of ghati Mumbai can identify
58 different makes from around the world! OMG! ROFL!!!

> > Thank you for understanding, K-R-N. I am thinking of tattooing
> > "I love you this [inline graphic] much" on my head in May. People
> > simply don't understand. For instance when I atopped at Jimmy's
> > a few months ago, I ran into S*****, whom I hadn't met for years.
> > He says, man are you sure about this shaved head thing? You look
> > black.
>
> > Didn't know you needed an NAACP-issued license for that ...
>
> LOL.
>
> I think you need to stay away from Jimmy's...

Why? This maligning of a place--nay, institution--for one temporary
resident's dumbness is going a bit too far ...

http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=99052322060300.03246%40krayola.localdomain

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I think the rhyming kind of subtly went to hell in the last stanza.
My 2 cents ...

02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> note to self for future FAQ:
>
> BrPaul will correct your notions of puppets.
> Some will call you "mutant" "nerd" or "yuppets".
> Bonnie will wash hands after touching thars;
> Tushar will imply you drink at wimpy bars.
>
> Paul K will bar you from infecting his state;
> Someone will reference your balding pate.
> Rita will  tell you to fuck off (charmingly);
> Natalie and Doris will do so alarmingly.
>
> I see that I have at least one more stanza and a
> chorus to go before I can feel I am not a newbie.
> Back to work pissing wordslers off - hey, it's
> research, so it's a good thing, right? .

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02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Having trouble, though... can't find anything in Dr. Seuss to
> rhyme with "truck"....
> clo
>
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > YaY!
> >
> > 02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > you'd have to know my brother!
> > > His wife says he was seen at the computer, chuckling and
> > > rubbing his hands together as he thought of the most painful
> > > "suggestions" he could throw my way.
> > >
> > > My response - I already had sex, drugs, picking up hitchhikers,
> > > & rugged sports like rock-climbing in many poems, so felt
> > > that I had the content are covered; but I was working on an
> > > ode to my old truck (a rhyming one-liner, of course!), just to
> > > be on the safe side.
> > >
> > > clo
> > >
> > > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >
> > > > 02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > > > My brother, being helpful, sent these words of advice for a
> > > > > hopeful writer; and I thought they were so good, that I am
> > > > > passing them on to you. Hope you find them as inspiring as I
> > > > > have!
> > > >
> > > > I think the points about making it short and making it rhyme
> > > > were very well put. The rest are somewhat iffy--for instance
> > > > there are tons of people interested in things other than
> > > > football.

There's Dubuque, a city in Iowa.

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>It is a problem when you are attached to something that you
>see as beautiful because it is pristine, and everyone else is
>just aching to touch the merchandise.
>
>Hard to know if PK was imitating people he knew, who talked
>that way about "furriners", or meant it. Obviously Bonnie held the
>latter interpretation, and you the former.
>clo

Trouble was that Paul himself wasn't a native Mainer.  Besides, he lived
huddled up to the New Hampshire border -- hardly Maine at all.  Non-Mainers
are known here as people "from away" or Massholes if they happen to be from
that state and tourists.


    --bonniev

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At 06:00 PM 3/10/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>I thought he was joking--in a slightly heavy-handed way, maybe, but
>joking. I mean, we all know his "jokes" absolutely sucked. Then again,
>he was an early example of the paternalistic patronizing old-fart style
>which gained a lot of popularity for a few years on words-l, ...

I think that perhaps it began as joking, but with the notion (on his part)
to quash (or dominate) the discussion.  As you note, this in the past has
been a favorite ploy of the PPOFs.  However as time went on, and Bonnie
(and for that matter, me) indicated that he was no more the "universal"
spokesman for life in all of Maine than were either of us, the whole thing
took a nasty turn.  To this day, I do not know what his real problem
was.  To this day, I don't give a RF.

cwv

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At 07:36 PM 3/10/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>Well, Clyde, as you'll find out more in July, the thing Wordslers do best is
>talk, followed by eating, followed by Standing Around And Talking.

I certainly hope so.

cwv

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02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > >Another reason why Chicago is fine-
>
> Sorry - I missed it - what was the first reason?

I remembered until '92. It's a mistake to think that the brain
has elastic walls -- Kris Kristofferson

> > >-number of ch*x who showed up
> > >for the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders audition: 2. And both on a lark.
> > >According to the report, almost every other town had teeming throngs
> > >trying for this nasty-ass job. I hope boob job numbers by city are
> > >available someplace, because I'd like to see Chicago last in it.
>
> Now there's a statistic to be proud of keeping. How many do
> you think will show up to audition for the actuarial spot?

I don't know. 3?

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>Well, Clyde, as you'll find out more in July, the thing Wordslers do best is
>talk, followed by eating, followed by Standing Around And Talking.
>--Adam

You left out drinking and you left out ruining the plumbing.   Concern was
expressed at SnowBash about the survival of the Voigtlander marriage.   But
Rashmi admitted that Neal's marriage was likely already on the rocks before
he hosted the annual wordsler bash.


    --bonniev

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02003-03-10 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 05:19 PM 3/10/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-09 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> >> Tushar Samant:
> >> = 02003-03-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> = > >> Also available at
> >> = > >> http://www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com/FTFs.html ...
> >> = >
> >> = > > I'm taking it down again for a "more thorough mirroring".
> >> = > > Everybody's highly interested, right?
> >> = >
> >> = > YES!
> >> =
> >> = Certainly Bobby Brandom would be. My plan is to bring the rogue
> >> = server (arrirang) down to its knees by mirroring it every day at
> >> = www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com. Then whenever warez-master MEM
> >> = says something's ready ... I simply slam it into the words-l.org
> >> = area. Pax Tmetica in the house ...
> >>
> >> what's the matter with a direct connection and rsynch?  Or don't
> >> you boys trust each other yet?
> >
> >Trust somebody who spews web pages out of IIS 5? I think NOT ...
> >Funny, philipahn.com is on an apache, very VERY funny ...
> >
> >Secondly, you do not understand the titanic dimensions of this
> >regime change, "Steph". Two people are making changes to the
> >site now--war3zmaster MEM and me. The undemocratic one-way
> >nature of a sync is repugnant to our constitution.
> >
> >Thirdly, yes, I am getting a lot of spam at steph@words-l.org.
> >I'll set it to immediate trashing tonight, and also create
> >addresses for those who have asked for them.
>
> I'll wait until you are done to see if it works right before I ask for mine.
>
> IQ

Oops, forgot to add that this offer is not open to ice queens
without the pioneering spirit.

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At 07:58 PM 3/10/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>Well, Clyde, as you'll find out more in July, the thing Wordslers do best is
>>talk, followed by eating, followed by Standing Around And Talking.
>>--Adam
>
>You left out drinking and you left out ruining the plumbing.   Concern was
>expressed at SnowBash about the survival of the Voigtlander marriage.   But
>Rashmi admitted that Neal's marriage was likely already on the rocks before
>he hosted the annual wordsler bash.

OK, fine, but how about the plumbing??

One of the things I need to do is find a restaurant here that serves French
toast (take that, Dubya and all you friggin' quasi-patriots!) and kielbasa.

cwv
sipping a Coppola Rosso and finding it excellent

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Sorry.
I have one stanza more, I see
To feel I am no longer a newbie;
Returning now to irk the wordsler folk
With research or another phatic joke.

better?
clo

Tushar Samant wrote:

> I think the rhyming kind of subtly went to hell in the last stanza.
> My 2 cents ...
>
> 02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > note to self for future FAQ:
> >
> > BrPaul will correct your notions of puppets.
> > Some will call you "mutant" "nerd" or "yuppets".
> > Bonnie will wash hands after touching thars;
> > Tushar will imply you drink at wimpy bars.
> >
> > Paul K will bar you from infecting his state;
> > Someone will reference your balding pate.
> > Rita will  tell you to fuck off (charmingly);
> > Natalie and Doris will do so alarmingly.
> >
> > I see that I have at least one more stanza and a
> > chorus to go before I can feel I am not a newbie.
> > Back to work pissing wordslers off - hey, it's
> > research, so it's a good thing, right? .

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>>You left out drinking and you left out ruining the plumbing.   Concern was
>>expressed at SnowBash about the survival of the Voigtlander marriage.   But
>>Rashmi admitted that Neal's marriage was likely already on the rocks before
>>he hosted the annual wordsler bash.
>
>OK, fine, but how about the plumbing??
>cwv

Well, I certainly think that would come under the husband's duties to deal
with and repair.

Oh, oh.  Trouble already.


   --bonniev

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*hmmm hmmm hm hmmm*
 - Whatcha doin?
Watching the clue plane circle, looking for a place to land...

( I actually know quite a lot of words that rhyme, ya know...)
clo

Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > Having trouble, though... can't find anything in Dr. Seuss to
> > rhyme with "truck"....
> > clo
> >
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > YaY!
> > >
> > > 02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > > you'd have to know my brother!
> > > > His wife says he was seen at the computer, chuckling and
> > > > rubbing his hands together as he thought of the most painful
> > > > "suggestions" he could throw my way.
> > > >
> > > > My response - I already had sex, drugs, picking up hitchhikers,
> > > > & rugged sports like rock-climbing in many poems, so felt
> > > > that I had the content are covered; but I was working on an
> > > > ode to my old truck (a rhyming one-liner, of course!), just to
> > > > be on the safe side.
> > > >
> > > > clo
> > > >
> > > > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > 02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > > > > My brother, being helpful, sent these words of advice for a
> > > > > > hopeful writer; and I thought they were so good, that I am
> > > > > > passing them on to you. Hope you find them as inspiring as I
> > > > > > have!
> > > > >
> > > > > I think the points about making it short and making it rhyme
> > > > > were very well put. The rest are somewhat iffy--for instance
> > > > > there are tons of people interested in things other than
> > > > > football.
>
> There's Dubuque, a city in Iowa.

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clyde w. voigtlander writes,

>One of the things I need to do is find a restaurant here that serves French
>toast (take that, Dubya and all you friggin' quasi-patriots!)

A cartoon in Le Monde today: "Les Etats-Unis haussent le ton contre la
France" <http://www.lemonde.fr/dessins_du_jour/0,5987,46997--1,00.html>,
about a shopper and her Camembert.

Pete

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At 07:41 PM 3/10/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>> > I no longer felt free to share my excitement about the move to Maine.
>> > I just shut up about it.  Until Paul left the list.
>>
>>I thought he was joking--in a slightly heavy-handed way, maybe, but
>>joking. I mean, we all know his "jokes" absolutely sucked.
>
>After awhile it didn't really matter if he was joking or not.   Taking a
>slam every time I posted something about Maine got exceedingly tiresome.

I agree that it got to sounding pretty mean spirited after a while. I'm
horrified that you made our Paul feel badly though.

Betty

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At 07:49 PM 3/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>At 07:36 PM 3/10/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
>>Well, Clyde, as you'll find out more in July, the thing Wordslers do best is
>>talk, followed by eating, followed by Standing Around And Talking.
>
>I certainly hope so.
>
>cwv

And the drinking followed by more eating.

Betty

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 7:42:58 PM, Betty wrote:
> I agree that it got to sounding pretty mean spirited after a while. I'm
> horrified that you made our Paul feel badly though.

It made a *great* story, though. I was laughing so hard, I fell
off my couch.

Bonnie, was it really The Laugh [tm] that clued you in?

Karen

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At 07:58 PM 3/10/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>Well, Clyde, as you'll find out more in July, the thing Wordslers do best is
>>talk, followed by eating, followed by Standing Around And Talking.
>>--Adam
>
>You left out drinking and you left out ruining the plumbing.   Concern was
>expressed at SnowBash about the survival of the Voigtlander marriage.   But
>Rashmi admitted that Neal's marriage was likely already on the rocks before
>he hosted the annual wordsler bash.

Are you going to unsub afterwards?

Betty

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At 07:06 PM 3/10/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-03-10 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 05:19 PM 3/10/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >02003-03-09 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> > >> Tushar Samant:
> > >> = 02003-03-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > >> = > >> Also available at
> > >> = > >> http://www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com/FTFs.html ...
> > >> = >
> > >> = > > I'm taking it down again for a "more thorough mirroring".
> > >> = > > Everybody's highly interested, right?
> > >> = >
> > >> = > YES!
> > >> =
> > >> = Certainly Bobby Brandom would be. My plan is to bring the rogue
> > >> = server (arrirang) down to its knees by mirroring it every day at
> > >> = www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com. Then whenever warez-master MEM
> > >> = says something's ready ... I simply slam it into the words-l.org
> > >> = area. Pax Tmetica in the house ...
> > >>
> > >> what's the matter with a direct connection and rsynch?  Or don't
> > >> you boys trust each other yet?
> > >
> > >Trust somebody who spews web pages out of IIS 5? I think NOT ...
> > >Funny, philipahn.com is on an apache, very VERY funny ...
> > >
> > >Secondly, you do not understand the titanic dimensions of this
> > >regime change, "Steph". Two people are making changes to the
> > >site now--war3zmaster MEM and me. The undemocratic one-way
> > >nature of a sync is repugnant to our constitution.
> > >
> > >Thirdly, yes, I am getting a lot of spam at steph@words-l.org.
> > >I'll set it to immediate trashing tonight, and also create
> > >addresses for those who have asked for them.
> >
> > I'll wait until you are done to see if it works right before I ask for
> mine.
> >
> > IQ
>
>Oops, forgot to add that this offer is not open to ice queens
>without the pioneering spirit.

Is this getting mean spirited and nasty?  I may have to wipe my hands on my
pants after I pat your greasy head.

Betty

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> One of the things I need to do is find a restaurant here that
> serves French toast (take that, Dubya and all you friggin'
quasi-patriots!) and
> kielbasa.

You enjoyed the combination that much? Or you're searching for parity?

I *heart* Fran's. Too bad I only go there when I have company.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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>Bonnie, was it really The Laugh [tm] that clued you in?
>Karen

No.   I didn't know that he had a laugh like yours.   I don't know what it
was that brought the dawn to my feeble mind.   Someone must have said
something to him or Paul must have responded to something in a way that
made me realize who he was.


    --bonniev

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>I'm horrified that you made our Paul feel badly though.
>Betty

Yes, I feel badly about that myself and worry that his first impression of
me will always last just a little.


    --bonniev

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 8:07:51 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>Bonnie, was it really The Laugh [tm] that clued you in?
>>Karen

> No.   I didn't know that he had a laugh like yours.   I don't know what it
> was that brought the dawn to my feeble mind.   Someone must have said
> something to him or Paul must have responded to something in a way that
> made me realize who he was.

Ah, okay. Was this before or after I talked to you on the phone?

Karen

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 8:09:12 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>I'm horrified that you made our Paul feel badly though.
>>Betty

> Yes, I feel badly about that myself and worry that his first impression of
> me will always last just a little.

Our tribe doesn't generally hold grudges.

Karen

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Tushar:
>I have never heard this dumbass tone from anybody in Chicago

The jagoff probably pronounces it wrong, too.

--
Richard        now is the acceptable time

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At 08:10 PM 3/10/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:

>Well, I certainly think that would come under the husband's duties to deal
>with and repair.
>
>Oh, oh.  Trouble already.

No, I know Randy Sprague's number.  Now, whether he will show up...

cwv

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At 09:01 PM 3/10/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>You enjoyed the combination that much? Or you're searching for parity?

I enjoyed the combination---and again, thanks for recommending the
kielbasa---it was excellent.  Parity, I doubt.  I haven't seen/tasted
kielbasa like that in these parts.  Most versions have much more fat and
much less taste.

Fran's is a great place.

cwv

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Bonnie:
>Yes, I feel badly about that myself and worry that his
>first impression of me will always last just a little.

Perhaps you'll be more careful about hand-wiping
in the future.

Everybody's a winner.

--
Richard        now is the acceptable time

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>>You left out drinking and you left out ruining the plumbing.   Concern was
>>expressed at SnowBash about the survival of the Voigtlander marriage.   But
>>Rashmi admitted that Neal's marriage was likely already on the rocks before
>>he hosted the annual wordsler bash.
>
>Are you going to unsub afterwards?
>Betty

I might.  But, of course, it won't be as much fun now that Harwell isn't
the list manager and won't be able to announce to the list with great glee
that I have left the room.


    --bonniev

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> >  Someone must have said
> > something to him or Paul must have responded to something in a way that
> > made me realize who he was.
>
>Ah, okay. Was this before or after I talked to you on the phone?
>Karen

Way before.   By the time Paul called you up, I knew who he was.   My
initial confusion only lasted about ten minutes.

When you and Clyde were talking on the phone and Clyde said: "Sara will
turn him over on his back and teach him a lesson",  Paul looked at me and
said "What are they talking about??!"  I said "probably, the cats" --  who
survived their two nights alone very well.  All the food was gone, though.


    --bonniev

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On 10 Mar 2003 at 17:47, Brad Grissom wrote:

> I told her the list had been relatively quiet what
> with her absence and the SnowBash....

Not to mention your own delinquency.

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 8:22:48 PM, bonniev wrote:
> When you and Clyde were talking on the phone and Clyde said: "Sara will
> turn him over on his back and teach him a lesson",  Paul looked at me and
> said "What are they talking about??!"

LOL!!!! I can just hear his face.

> I said "probably, the cats" -- who survived their two nights
> alone very well. All the food was gone, though.

My cat is turning into a lap cat. She's a lot more civilized than
I expected. When she sees me in the living room, she scratches on
the screen and I let her in for an orgy of petting and then
throw her out. But she's very reluctant to go, and spent about
half an hour sleeping on my stomach tonight. I felt cruel, but I
don't trust her, and I don't want to watch her.

Karen

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>http://www.livingto100.com/
>
>By the way, I told the truth on the test
>in regard to alcohol and then later went
>back and lied and it only made a difference
>of a year or two.  I'm still set to make
>93 or 94.  So they say.  Ha.
>                - D. M.

I just went back and gave the "right" answer to every question.   That
upped my life expectancy from 94.6 to 101.   I don't think it's worth the
extra 6.4 years to do all that crap.


    --bonniev

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Miss Natalie honored me with a phone call a little while ago (and
y'all know how she hates telephones) to update me on her
peregrinations and ask me to tell The List that fuller reports
will be forthcoming when she returns.  She seems to miss her
online buddies, having been severed from email opportunities.
The basic route seems to have been Starkville to Bay St. Louis to
De Funiak Springs, FL to Dothan, AL (from where she called), in
search of retirement villas and ancestors.  It was good to hear
her voice.  I told her the list had been relatively quiet what
with her absence and the SnowBash....

brad

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At 09:11 PM 3/10/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:

>I might.  But, of course, it won't be as much fun now that Harwell isn't
>the list manager and won't be able to announce to the list with great glee
>that I have left the room.

Harwell?  Harwell who?

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At 05:47 PM 3/10/2003 -0500, Brad Grissom wrote:
>Miss Natalie honored me with a phone call a little while ago (and
>y'all know how she hates telephones) to update me on her
>peregrinations and ask me to tell The List that fuller reports
>will be forthcoming when she returns.

...we will alert the media...

On a more interesting note, it just came across the ESPN scroll that
Georgia has suspended Harrick and will not play in the SEC or NCAA
tournaments.  At such a time, if they aren't already, the Kentucky faithful
ought to be thanking some set of gods or another for Tubby.

cwv

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>I let her in for an orgy of petting

Wait!   I thought you were highly allergic.

  half an hour sleeping on my stomach tonight. I felt cruel, but I
>don't trust her, and I don't want to watch her.
>Karen

Don't trust her with regard to what?


    --bonniev

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> > Wait!   I thought you were highly allergic.
>I seem to be having fewer problems.

That's great news.

>Well, there is the whole question of Where She Poops.

Cats are very fastidious.  She would  never just poop or pee in your house
some place.  She'd beg to get outside if she needed to do that sort of thing.

>  And there is the issue of <claws>. She's sharpened her claws on the carpet,
>and tried to do it on the sofa more than once.     --Karen

Well, that would take a little training to make sure she doesn't do
that.   Or you could be like many cat owners I know who just give up the
fight and buy new sofas every once in awhile.


    --bonniev

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In a message dated 03/10/2003 8:40:33 PM Central Standard Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
Well, there is the whole question of Where She Poops. And there
is the issue of <claws>. She's sharpened her claws on the carpet,
and tried to do it on the sofa more than once.


>>

Litter box for the former and water pistol (not a supersoaker) for the
latter.  Or you can clip her claws and get Softpaws to cover them.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
This account protected by an attack cabbit.

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 8:32:12 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>I let her in for an orgy of petting

> Wait!   I thought you were highly allergic.

I seem to be having fewer problems. Combing her really helps, and
the fact that my other allergies aren't bad right now make a huge
difference. At first, I couldn't get within a couple of feet of
her. My ET said this happened to him, too.

>   half an hour sleeping on my stomach tonight. I felt cruel, but I
>>don't trust her, and I don't want to watch her.
>>Karen

> Don't trust her with regard to what?

Well, there is the whole question of Where She Poops. And there
is the issue of <claws>. She's sharpened her claws on the carpet,
and tried to do it on the sofa more than once.

Karen

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02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Sorry.
> I have one stanza more, I see
> To feel I am no longer a newbie;
> Returning now to irk the wordsler folk
> With research or another phatic joke.
>
> better?

Better? It's dripping with the pimp juice!

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 8:43:11 PM, bonniev wrote:
>> > Wait!   I thought you were highly allergic.
>>I seem to be having fewer problems.

> That's great news.

I guess. I was able to pet my neighbor's dog, too.

>>Well, there is the whole question of Where She Poops.

> Cats are very fastidious.  She would  never just poop or pee in your house
> some place.  She'd beg to get outside if she needed to do that sort of thing.

I dunno. Karsten's cats have always pooped and peed in his house
when they were pissed with him or his housemate.

>>  And there is the issue of <claws>. She's sharpened her claws on the carpet,
>>and tried to do it on the sofa more than once.     --Karen

> Well, that would take a little training to make sure she doesn't do
> that.

Which means I have to watch her.

> Or you could be like many cat owners I know who just give up the
> fight and buy new sofas every once in awhile.

With what??? Not having a regular income makes a huge difference
in many of my behaviors. The sofa and loveseat I have now I
bought used for $100. I like them, but they need to be replaced.
Ligniere hates them and won't sit on them. But I can't afford to
replace them, so they will have to do for at least another year.
Like the stained carpet.

Karen

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02003-03-10 | Gerald Little Milton Bostock <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> Tushar:
> >I have never heard this dumbass tone from anybody in Chicago
>
> The jagoff probably pronounces it wrong, too.

What? The word "jagoff"? It's still open to interpretations, I hope!

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 8:51:05 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Litter box for the former and water pistol (not a supersoaker) for the
> latter.

Sorry, I don't <do> litter boxes.

>  Or you can clip her claws and get Softpaws to cover them.

What are Softpaws?

Karen

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02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> *hmmm hmmm hm hmmm*
>  - Whatcha doin?
> Watching the clue plane circle, looking for a place to land...
>
> ( I actually know quite a lot of words that rhyme, ya know...)
> clo
>
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > Having trouble, though... can't find anything in Dr. Seuss to
> > > rhyme with "truck"....
> > > clo
> > >
> > > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >
> > > > YaY!
> > > >
> > > > 02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > > > you'd have to know my brother!
> > > > > His wife says he was seen at the computer, chuckling and
> > > > > rubbing his hands together as he thought of the most painful
> > > > > "suggestions" he could throw my way.
> > > > >
> > > > > My response - I already had sex, drugs, picking up hitchhikers,
> > > > > & rugged sports like rock-climbing in many poems, so felt
> > > > > that I had the content are covered; but I was working on an
> > > > > ode to my old truck (a rhyming one-liner, of course!), just to
> > > > > be on the safe side.
> > > > >
> > > > > clo
> > > > >
> > > > > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > 02003-03-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > > > > > My brother, being helpful, sent these words of advice for a
> > > > > > > hopeful writer; and I thought they were so good, that I am
> > > > > > > passing them on to you. Hope you find them as inspiring as I
> > > > > > > have!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think the points about making it short and making it rhyme
> > > > > > were very well put. The rest are somewhat iffy--for instance
> > > > > > there are tons of people interested in things other than
> > > > > > football.
> >
> > There's Dubuque, a city in Iowa.

Well, that's not too shabby!

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To anybody who is interested ... (this is the guy who runs the
servers which host words-l.org).

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Subject: Outage details - please read - JohnCompanies

Hello,

It's been a hell of a day.  As you most certainly know there was an
outage today lasting about 2 hours.  For some of you it was a little
less, and for some a little more.

The cause of the outage was something that, in across three years of
running and working with our facility provider we have never seen:
the power went out.

There are two distinct power circuits at our facility, and each system
has at least two PSUs - so, we can lose an entire circuit and not
have a machine go down.  Although we don't have all the evidence in
yet, there was some form of cascade that occurred as they switched
from one UPS to another, and for a time, all power was lost.

About two hours later we were fully functional and back up and
running - with no casualties.  It took so long because the power
surge fried a serial console router that was connected to all
of the upstream routers (sprint, genuity, and UUnet) - and it in
turn fried all of those routers.  So, we got power back after a
few minutes, but it took another 45 mins or so for our upstream
providers to swap out their routers.  It was one of the most
ridiculous domino effects I have ever seen...

Going forward:

We have a slightly different power setup in one of our racks,
and none of those systems lost power - so we are working as we
speak to duplicate that setup in the rack that did lose power.

In addition, as we have seen, even if we don't lose power, if
our providers all burn their routers we are still down - so we
are doing some arm-bending to make sure their setup is less
vulnerable.

We are extremely sorry about this outage today - it pains us
greatly to think of all of our customers banging away at a
login trying in vain to get back in - we do not take this
lightly at all, which is why we are responding and retooling
right now - even though we will probably never see such an
event again.

We extend a further apology to those people that are either
new customers, and are seeing this as a bad introduction to
their service here, and to our customers on a machine that
required a disk-swap earlier today - those people got two
outages.

Other News:

1. We upped the genuity pipe to 45 megabits/s, to match the
UUnet pipe.  Those of you that have seen little blips on
that pipe before will be happy to know this.

2. We will be updating our AUP soon to improve our guarantees.
Instead of 99.5% uptime we will be moving to 99.9%, and a lot
of the lessons learned over the past few months will help us
achieve this ... and the bigger network pipes won't hurt
either.

--john

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In a message dated 03/10/2003 8:54:38 PM Central Standard Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
What are Softpaws?


>>

Pads to put on the claws.  They stick on the claws and pad the tips
so the claws can't hurt furniture.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
This account protected by an attack cabbit.

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 7:06:43 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> cwv
> sipping a Coppola Rosso and finding it excellent

What is a Coppola Rosso?

Karen

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Tushar:
> > The jagoff probably pronounces it wrong, too.
> What? The word "jagoff"?

"Chicago", y'jag.

>It's still open to interpretations, I hope!

Does anyone but southsiders use the term "jagoff"?

Do you hear it much, if at all?

--
Richard        now is the acceptable time

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 9:02:30 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Pads to put on the claws.  They stick on the claws and pad the tips
> so the claws can't hurt furniture.

This sounds like a good idea--but she doesn't even wear a collar,
so I don't know how she would take to something <on> her. And
they cost money. But I might think about it next winter.

Karen

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On 10 Mar 2003 at 20:59, Tushar Samant wrote:

> From: info@johncompanies.com
> Subject: Outage details - please read - JohnCompanies

Wouldn't you know the Supreme Pimp Daddy would go to an outfit with
a name like this?


     mem

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 9:05:01 PM, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:
> Does anyone but southsiders use the term "jagoff"?

Yes.

> Do you hear it much, if at all?

I thought it was an ordinary <euphemism>.

Karen

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Karen:
>> Do you hear it much, if at all?
>I thought it was an ordinary <euphemism>.

Yes, I suppose so.  Maybe it's the specific
pronunciation I'm being so possessive about.

--
Richard        now is the acceptable time

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bonniev:

>consistently have it in for me?   How I long for post-Acadiafest when I can
>leave this list and no longer be abused by T Bone.

Is this a first? Fest host planning on leaving the list *before* the event?

-rashmi



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Monday, March 10, 2003, 9:11:05 PM, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:
> Karen:
>>> Do you hear it much, if at all?
>>I thought it was an ordinary <euphemism>.

> Yes, I suppose so.  Maybe it's the specific
> pronunciation I'm being so possessive about.

Of Chicawgo or jagoff? If the latter, how is it different?

Karen

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02003-03-10 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> On 10 Mar 2003 at 20:59, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > From: info@johncompanies.com
> > Subject: Outage details - please read - JohnCompanies
>
> Wouldn't you know the Supreme Pimp Daddy would go to an outfit with
> a name like this?

Good thing a true pimp doesn't understand subtle insults ...
because I was THIS close to dragging Rita in the middle!

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In a message dated 03/10/2003 9:08:47 PM Central Standard Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
This sounds like a good idea--but she doesn't even wear a collar,
so I don't know how she would take to something <on> her.
>>

I hope you have better luck than we've had.

Evelyn Duncan
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Monday, March 10, 2003, 9:25:15 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 03/10/2003 9:08:47 PM Central Standard Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

> <<
> This sounds like a good idea--but she doesn't even wear a collar,
> so I don't know how she would take to something <on> her.
>>>

> I hope you have better luck than we've had.

Er, in what?

Karen

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 9:11:33 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Is this a first? Fest host planning on leaving the list *before* the event?

No--I planned on it. But we know how *that* turned out.

Karen

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02003-03-10 | Gerald Little Milton Bostock <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> Tushar:
> > > The jagoff probably pronounces it wrong, too.
> > What? The word "jagoff"?
>
> "Chicago", y'jag.

Ah ... my bad. Yeah, he's probably a Texan or something.

> >It's still open to interpretations, I hope!
>
> Does anyone but southsiders use the term "jagoff"?
>
> Do you hear it much, if at all?

All over. It must have become universal after you left.
It has the universality gene, I mean, beats the hell out
of "schmuck", right ...

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Thanks for this!



At 08:59 PM 3/10/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>To anybody who is interested ... (this is the guy who runs the
>servers which host words-l.org).

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02003-03-10 | Betty CLARK <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> Thanks for this!

You're welcome ... as long as you stay away from my head ...

> At 08:59 PM 3/10/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >To anybody who is interested ... (this is the guy who runs the
> >servers which host words-l.org).

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02003-03-10 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:06 PM 3/10/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-10 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> At 05:19 PM 3/10/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >02003-03-09 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> >> >> Tushar Samant:
> >> >> = 02003-03-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> >> = > >> Also available at
> >> >> = > >> http://www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com/FTFs.html ...
> >> >> = >
> >> >> = > > I'm taking it down again for a "more thorough mirroring".
> >> >> = > > Everybody's highly interested, right?
> >> >> = >
> >> >> = > YES!
> >> >> =
> >> >> = Certainly Bobby Brandom would be. My plan is to bring the rogue
> >> >> = server (arrirang) down to its knees by mirroring it every day at
> >> >> = www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com. Then whenever warez-master MEM
> >> >> = says something's ready ... I simply slam it into the words-l.org
> >> >> = area. Pax Tmetica in the house ...
> >> >>
> >> >> what's the matter with a direct connection and rsynch?  Or don't
> >> >> you boys trust each other yet?
> >> >
> >> >Trust somebody who spews web pages out of IIS 5? I think NOT ...
> >> >Funny, philipahn.com is on an apache, very VERY funny ...
> >> >
> >> >Secondly, you do not understand the titanic dimensions of this
> >> >regime change, "Steph". Two people are making changes to the
> >> >site now--war3zmaster MEM and me. The undemocratic one-way
> >> >nature of a sync is repugnant to our constitution.
> >> >
> >> >Thirdly, yes, I am getting a lot of spam at steph@words-l.org.
> >> >I'll set it to immediate trashing tonight, and also create
> >> >addresses for those who have asked for them.
> >>
> >> I'll wait until you are done to see if it works right before
> >> I ask for mine.
> >>
> >> IQ
> >
> >Oops, forgot to add that this offer is not open to ice queens
> >without the pioneering spirit.
>
> Is this getting mean spirited and nasty?  I may have to wipe my
> hands on my pants after I pat your greasy head.

Don't pat-ronize me!

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02003-03-10 | Marie Ascher <lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>

Dude, I almost didn't read this--you're shooting HTML everywhere,
and I hit delete thinking it was spam. Then I saw your name on it.

As for Alyce, how do you mean? Do you mean where she's been since
around 6:30? Because I got mail from her then--yeah, yeah, I know
I should write back. I am going to.

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 9:25:37 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-10 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Monday, March 10, 2003, 7:06:43 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>> > cwv
>> > sipping a Coppola Rosso and finding it excellent
>>
>> What is a Coppola Rosso?

> ResearchTFWeb ...

Why? Clyde would tell me.

> I only drink 1er Cru burgundies or above--they cost a
> pretty penny, but the absolute divineness makes it worth
> it.

BOBO ALERT!!!

Karen

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02003-03-10 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, March 10, 2003, 7:06:43 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> > cwv
> > sipping a Coppola Rosso and finding it excellent
>
> What is a Coppola Rosso?

ResearchTFWeb ... You know I never drink this Californian
nonsense, it's like "Italian Wine", what a load o' crap.
I only drink 1er Cru burgundies or above--they cost a
pretty penny, but the absolute divineness makes it worth
it. I generally drink while listening to chamber music
on my Bose QuietComfort headphones.

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In a message dated 03/10/2003 9:32:04 PM Central Standard Time,
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<<
Er, in what?


>>

Getting a cat to wear a collar and Softpaws.

Evelyn Duncan
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This account protected by an attack cabbit.

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 9:34:33 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 03/10/2003 9:32:04 PM Central Standard Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

> <<
> Er, in what?


>>>

> Getting a cat to wear a collar and Softpaws.

Well, I don't anticipate success. Unless she <gets> that I'll
throw her outside if she doesn't keep them on. I'll have to
investigate them some more. But being in my house with claws out
is not an option.

Karen

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>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>Dude, I almost didn't read this--you're shooting HTML everywhere,
>and I hit delete thinking it was spam. Then I saw your name on it.

Ah, thanks. It's like that time I walked around the city for maybe 10 blocks
before someone was kind enough to tell me my skirt was tucked in my tights.
'preciate it.

>As for Alyce, how do you mean? Do you mean where she's been since
>around 6:30? Because I got mail from her then--yeah, yeah, I know
>I should write back. I am going to.

I haven't seen any mail from her.

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02003-03-10 | Marie Ascher <lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> >Dude, I almost didn't read this--you're shooting HTML everywhere,
> >and I hit delete thinking it was spam. Then I saw your name on it.
>
> Ah, thanks. It's like that time I walked around the city for maybe 10 blocks
> before someone was kind enough to tell me my skirt was tucked in my tights.
> 'preciate it.

This must be like one of those high-IQ tests where smart people can
see the similarity between two things ... I for one don't see HTML
mail becoming a citywide fashion statement overnight ...

> >As for Alyce, how do you mean? Do you mean where she's been since
> >around 6:30? Because I got mail from her then--yeah, yeah, I know
> >I should write back. I am going to.
>
> I haven't seen any mail from her.

Well I wrote her saying write a mail to the list or to Marie. I hate
to waste my quota of typing "Marie" but I still did it ...

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 9:15:53 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
>>No. I didn't know that he had a laugh like yours.

> He doesn't. Paul giggles. Karen's laugh is much <bigger>.

I giggle, too.

I think Paul must have been <holding back> for some reason. I
have heard him laugh <big>.

But I'm still delighted to think that Mine Is Bigger Than His.:)

Karen

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> I haven't seen any mail from her.

I gave the surgeon's report around noon. Then I took to my bed. Except
for getting some food, I have mostly been dozing because I slept almost
not at all last night out of nervousness and fear. Thanks for asking,
Marie.

alyce

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 6:50:47 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-10 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Monday, March 10, 2003, 6:09:42 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-03-10 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> > I completely suck at identifying cars.
>> >>
>> >> That doesn't surprise me.
>> >
>> > How so?
>>
>> You didn't go to high school here.

> Well, prepare to be surprised out of your wits!!!! EVERY kid
> I knew in high school could identify all sorts of cars!! LOL!
> My 5-year-old nephew in the heart of ghati Mumbai can identify
> 58 different makes from around the world! OMG! ROFL!!!

Make fun of me if you will, but the cars are so different, so the
holistic id skill is different. Remember about 'they all look
alike'? That's because people aren't used to looking at them.

Karen

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02003-03-10 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, March 10, 2003, 6:50:47 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-10 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Monday, March 10, 2003, 6:09:42 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > 02003-03-10 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> >> > I completely suck at identifying cars.
> >> >>
> >> >> That doesn't surprise me.
> >> >
> >> > How so?
> >>
> >> You didn't go to high school here.
>
> > Well, prepare to be surprised out of your wits!!!! EVERY kid
> > I knew in high school could identify all sorts of cars!! LOL!
> > My 5-year-old nephew in the heart of ghati Mumbai can identify
> > 58 different makes from around the world! OMG! ROFL!!!
>
> Make fun of me if you will, but the cars are so different, so the
> holistic id skill is different. Remember about 'they all look
> alike'? That's because people aren't used to looking at them.

So distinguishing American cars is like distinguishing American
people? And that can only be learned if you go to high school
in America? Madam, now we move into the zone of the surreal ...
the zone where you need computer classes to read instructions ...

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 10:09:34 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> I gave the surgeon's report around noon.

You gave it to me in personal mail; I don't know that you posted
it. To save you the effort, here is what you said:

"The surgeon is a sweet and lovable fellow, and honest, too.
He says he does not want to do the thoracic biopsy because he says he
would have to collapse a lung and he thinks "you might have difficulty
coming out of that." This is totally different from the pulmonologist
who blithely says, "Oh, your lung might collapse but they'll just blow
it back up."

He suggests that they do a needle biopsy while I am having a CT scan.
Minimal wear, tear, pain. I am for that."

As are we all.

> Then I took to my bed. Except
> for getting some food, I have mostly been dozing because I slept almost
> not at all last night out of nervousness and fear. Thanks for asking,
> Marie.

I'm sorry you had a bad night. Blah. Hopefully tomorrow will be
better.

Karen

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 6:13:24 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
I love your new epithet! war3zmaster MEM is how I shall think of
you.

Karen

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 10:12:50 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> So distinguishing American cars is like distinguishing American
> people?

No. Distinguishing foreign cars is like distinguishing foreign
people. Oh, wait!!!! You *ARE* a foreigner!

> And that can only be learned if you go to high school
> in America?

No, it's just easier.

> Madam, now we move into the zone of the surreal ...

Actually, I spent the day with Ligniere, who saw an older car
that flashed him back to his high school years in Florida and the
girl who owned it. It was sweet.

So yes, I stand by what I said. You have to have gone to high
school here.

Karen

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Yes, I'd called Ter, early-afternoon from work, assessing our options, yet I
had already given in to obligations working at Yawgoo, having previously
volunteered time to bring my Cub Scout den through the snowboard training
class for the day.  A long day it was.  I *really* wanted to be at the
Snowbash... $#!+...   Please accept my apologies, Adam...

'Wildmon




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> Yes, it was supposed to be me.   I really wanted to go Sat. but couldn't
> get a babysitter at a reasonable time to make the 4 hour commute worth it.
> I'd want to visit for more than an hour or two.   I got a little
> overzealous thinking I could commute 4 hours with 3 children to go to a
> restaurant for breakfast.  By morning reality had set in. I will plan
> better next year.
>
> Terry
> --On Sunday, March 09, 2003, 1:42 PM -0600 Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> wrote:
>
> > Sunday, March 9, 2003, 11:09:24 AM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> >>> Who is MG2?
> >
> >> It was going to be Terry Wild last night, and Terry Wild & kids this
> >> morning at breakfast. No sign of them this morning.
> >
> > Oh, poop! That woulda been great!
> >
> > Karen
> > "Each time you take a bite, taste sensations spread over the palate,
> > tongue, cheeks and throat and smell spreads into your nose."
> >  --Shinzen Young

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Karen Kay wrote:
> You gave it to me in personal mail; I don't know that you posted
> it. To save you the effort, here is what you said:

Thanks for saving me the effort. I didn't realize it was sent as
personal mail.

alyce

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Should add that if I make it until April 4, I have an appointment with a
highly recommended and greatly adored different pulmonologist. I have
been trying to get to see him since I first heard of him when I was in
the hospital. But he was on vacation then, and then not taking new
patients, etc., etc., but I got an appointment today for 24 days hence.
Will still have the biopsy before that, though. Berta is coming THursday
aft.

alyce

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 10:22:15 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Should add that if I make it until April 4,

I hope this is black humor?!

> Berta is coming THursday aft.

Good. When is the biopsy?

Karen

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 10:29:09 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-10 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> I love your new epithet! war3zmaster MEM is how I shall think of
>> you.

> War3zmaster is threatening to veto his arrirang site out of
> existence by the 15th! Don't think I don't know it!

NFW, WM!

Karen

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I learned how to say "The CIA" in Spanish today: La Cia.

I also learned where Ligniere worked in Caracas, and where he
lived.

And I learned the hard way that when you eat Thai soup, you don't
crunch anything in your mouth without eyeballing it first.

Karen

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bonniev:

>You left out drinking and you left out ruining the plumbing.   Concern was
>expressed at SnowBash about the survival of the Voigtlander marriage.   But
>Rashmi admitted that Neal's marriage was likely already on the rocks before
>he hosted the annual wordsler bash.

Did I really? I have no knowledge of this so doubt it was me.

Bonnie guilt-tripped me all weekend about my being a big bad
meanie on the list. I'mgoingtotryandbeniceinfuture.I'mgoingtotry
andbeniceinfuture. I'mgoingtotryandbeniceinfuture. I'mgoingto
tryandbeniceinfuture. I'mgoingtotryandbeniceinfuture.

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Monday, March 10, 2003, 10:32:36 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I hope this is black humor?!
>
> Whatever. I must confess to a wee bit of depression today.

Sorry. It's understandable.

>> Good. When is the biopsy?

> Next week. They are going to call tomorrow or Thursday.

Good.

> Doug sent a funny note today. He got his hair cut for the first time in
> seven years and is feeling weak, like Samson.

LOL. You don't think it's psychosomatic?:)

> I loved his pony tail; it exactly suited him and I hope he lets
> it grow again. He and I looked a bit twin-like when it was
> long; he has my hair, exactly--very fine and curly.

Why did he cut it?

I have a fondness for curly-headed men.

Karen

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Another successful Snowbash. Don't know how Adam manages
to pull it off every year. And he makes it all seem so effortless!
He's truly our List Honey.

As others have reported we had a large group this year and
I remember lots of laughter and giggles and good spirits all
around. Acadiafest is going to be a blast.

-rashmi

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> I hope this is black humor?!

Whatever. I must confess to a wee bit of depression today.
>
> Good. When is the biopsy?

Next week. They are going to call tomorrow or Thursday.

Doug sent a funny note today. He got his hair cut for the first time in
seven years and is feeling weak, like Samson. I loved his pony tail; it
exactly suited him and I hope he lets it grow again. He and I looked a
bit twin-like when it was long; he has my hair, exactly--very fine and
curly.

alyce

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02003-03-10 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, March 10, 2003, 6:13:24 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> I love your new epithet! war3zmaster MEM is how I shall think of
> you.

War3zmaster is threatening to veto his arrirang site out of
existence by the 15th! Don't think I don't know it!

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> Should add that if I make it until April 4, I have an appointment with
a
> highly recommended and greatly adored different pulmonologist. I have
> been trying to get to see him since I first heard of him when I was in
> the hospital. But he was on vacation then, and then not taking new
> patients, etc., etc., but I got an appointment today for 24 days
hence.
> Will still have the biopsy before that, though. Berta is coming
THursday
> aft.
>
> alyce

Good.  It helps so much to have a doctor you
like and have great confidence in.  We'll all be
pulling for you through the biopsy.

           - D. M.

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In a message dated 3/10/2003 9:22:13 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Should add that if I make it until April 4, I have an appointment with a
highly recommended and greatly adored different pulmonologist.  >>

You better make it because I will be the oldest on words-l? Just kidding, you
know me too well to think I'm serious. Unless you want to go, of course. I
was so miserable these past few days, I was begging for the end. Death isn't
scary to me, but life this way is just miserable. Theo

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-03-09 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
= > This just in from another bookseller, who probably is right.
= > --------
= > Actually no, it was probably Alexander Thom's
= > fictionalized account of Mary Ingles real escape from
= > Indian captors. The title is Follow The River. They did
= > figure she and another older woman walked 1,000 miles to
= > get back home. If I remember correctly Thom attempted to
= > follow their path.
= > ----
=
= I wonder what's involved in, say, walking to Milwaukee. Or
= walking back from Milwaukee to Chicago. Anybody know of a
= web site which tells you how to prepare for it etc?

You might look at http://www.appalachiantrail.org/ for ideas on
how to cope with distace, planning, etc.

And http://gorp.com/gorp/activity/hiking/1804_urban.htm  for how
to cope with the urban element.

and this seems to have a lot of general stuff, but with a fair
amount of long distance stuff
http://walking.about.com/mbody.htm

I'm guessing there are pros and cons to going straight up the
lake, say versus some less urban route.

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=
= Well, I don't anticipate success. Unless she <gets> that I'll
= throw her outside if she doesn't keep them on. I'll have to
= investigate them some more. But being in my house with claws out
= is not an option.
=
= Karen

Murphy needs some place to scratch.  He just needs to do it.  He
only uses the couch when he's trying to get my attention for some
reason.  What he does use is some floor inulation that goes under
laminated fake parquet.  It's just pressed paper, really, and he
gets a good couple of months out of one.

Cats have claws.  I know you're not going to declaw the cat, so I
really wonder what you mean by that last sentence.

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On 10 Mar 2003 at 22:15, Karen Kay wrote:

> I love your new epithet! war3zmaster MEM is how I shall think of
> you.

I don't know where that came from. I don't kno nothin bout no war3z.

    mem

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-10 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
>
>>On 10 Mar 2003 at 20:59, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From: info@johncompanies.com
>>>Subject: Outage details - please read - JohnCompanies
>>>
>>Wouldn't you know the Supreme Pimp Daddy would go to an outfit with
>>a name like this?
>>
>
> Good thing a true pimp doesn't understand subtle insults ...
> because I was THIS close to dragging Rita in the middle!


        Thank you.  Now fuck off.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Why did he cut it?

He said it was getting scraggly.

alyce

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>  Death isn't
> scary to me, but life this way is just miserable.

There must be a reason you stay around. You'd not be the oldest Wordsler
if I were gone. Doris is the eldest of the active ones, I think. But
some of the retired are older than she, if I am not mistaken.

alyce

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>
> I agree that it got to sounding pretty mean spirited after a while. I'm
> horrified that you made our Paul feel badly though.
>
> Betty

I never said I felt bad, Bad Betty.

BrP

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> >I'm horrified that you made our Paul feel badly though.
> >Betty
>
> Yes, I feel badly about that myself and worry that his first impression of
> me will always last just a little.
>
>
>     --bonniev

Just for the record - you redeemed yourself admirably.  What I did learn is that you
are incapable of deception or of hiding your true feelings.  That's not a bad thing
atall.


BrP

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> Monday, March 10, 2003, 8:09:12 PM, bonniev wrote:
> >>I'm horrified that you made our Paul feel badly though.
> >>Betty
>
> > Yes, I feel badly about that myself and worry that his first impression of
> > me will always last just a little.
>
> Our tribe doesn't generally hold grudges.
>
> Karen

;-)


BrP

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>>Rashmi admitted that Neal's marriage was likely already on the rocks before
>>he hosted the annual wordsler bash.
>
>Did I really? I have no knowledge of this so doubt it was me.
>-rashmi, frequent occupant of curmudgeons' corner

I thought it was you sitting next to me on the couch commenting that Neal's
then wife was sort of standoffish and a tad unpleasant at
Wordstock.  Perhaps it was me who concluded "I'll bet they were having
trouble in the marriage already at that point."  Or maybe I had you
confused with Marie all evening.  You're the one who drove on home that
night and it was Marie that came to breakfast with the rest of us.  Right?

Oh, I'm just kidding.  But I did think it was you on the couch.


    --bonniev

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At 09:04 PM 3/10/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Monday, March 10, 2003, 7:06:43 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> > cwv
> > sipping a Coppola Rosso and finding it excellent
>
>What is a Coppola Rosso?

It is an Italian-style red wine.  Rosso is one of two types of wine (the
other is Brunello) made in the Montalcino area of Tuscany.  Rosso is the
"younger" of the two---aged only a couple of years; Brunello is considered
by many to be one of the premier red wines of Italy.

Coppola is what you probably suspect.  Francis Ford Coppola, who rumor has
it, is of Italian descent, now produces wine.  His Rosso is dark and
hearty, but smoother than some of the Rossos I tasted in Italy.  No doubt
it would be too intense a sensory experience for Mr. Samant's effete
sensibilities.

cwv

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At 05:19 AM 3/11/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>... I'mgoingtotryandbeniceinfuture.I'mgoingtotry
>andbeniceinfuture. I'mgoingtotryandbeniceinfuture. I'mgoingto
>tryandbeniceinfuture. I'mgoingtotryandbeniceinfuture.
>
>-rashmi, frequent occupant of curmudgeons' corner

Would that every curmudgeon was as delightful a conversationalist as are you.

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At 05:03 PM 3/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>>http://www.livingto100.com/
>>
>>according to this I'll be going for another 76 years.
>>--Lisa A.
>
>
>Were you honest on the drinking question??   I don't think the world is
>ready for another 76 years of you! ;-)
>
>
>    --bonniev

hahahaha.

first off, I'm not going to live to be 107. second, I don't know why I got
the result I did, when I took the survey today it said I was going to live
to be 88. this means I have 51 more years of Bashing.

re: drinking... I seriously do not drink a lot or often. hence my wine-expo
behavior.

finally, it wasn't as bad as Tina made it sound. I wasn't in the middle of
the road, I was tucked into a corner on a loading dock.

I did smoke a cigar but I didn't count that in the survey.

lisa

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 12:38:55 AM, steph wrote:
> = Well, I don't anticipate success. Unless she <gets> that I'll
> = throw her outside if she doesn't keep them on. I'll have to
> = investigate them some more. But being in my house with claws out
> = is not an option.
> =
> = Karen

> Murphy needs some place to scratch.  He just needs to do it.  He
> only uses the couch when he's trying to get my attention for some
> reason.  What he does use is some floor inulation that goes under
> laminated fake parquet.  It's just pressed paper, really, and he
> gets a good couple of months out of one.

> Cats have claws.  I know you're not going to declaw the cat, so I
> really wonder what you mean by that last sentence.

I think I'm just restating that it's likely that she's going to
stay an outdoor cat. I do understand the need to scratch.

I think declawing a young cat might not be such a bad thing, but
declawing this cat would be cruel.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> I think declawing a young cat might not be such a bad thing, but
> declawing this cat would be cruel.

I oppose all declawing, but especially an outdoor cat. YOu leave it
defenseless. It cannot climb a tree to escape danger, cannot swipe and
scratch, nothing. WHo would declaw an outdoor cat?

alyce

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 8:46:21 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I think declawing a young cat might not be such a bad thing, but
>> declawing this cat would be cruel.

> I oppose all declawing, but especially an outdoor cat. YOu leave it
> defenseless. It cannot climb a tree to escape danger, cannot swipe and
> scratch, nothing. WHo would declaw an outdoor cat?

An idiot.

Sorry, when I talked about declawing a young cat, I was thinking
of a young cat you intend to keep indoors. I'd never declaw an
outdoor cat. (And since it costs money, it's a moot point
anyway.)

Why do you oppose all declawing?

Btw, there's a bill in the TX legislature to raise the death
penalty to 18. I hope this passes.

Karen

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Karen, to Alyce:
> Why do you oppose all declawing?

I'm not Alyce, but I'll bet she wouldn't
disagree with this: Because it is mutilating
an animal for no reason other than a person's
convenience.

If you can't deal with a cat the way God made
it, you have no business owning a cat.

--
Richard          as for main(), see Is 55:11

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> Of Chicawgo or jagoff? If the latter, how is it different?

There's just a <way> that members of my tribe
pronounce jagoff that shibbolethily differs
from any other way I have ever heard it.

Just comes to mind 'cuz a friend of a friend
who was in for Mardi Gras said it <right> and
I knew where he was from.

To start with, y'sorta slide the j.

--
Richard          as for main(), see Is 55:11

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 9:17:33 AM, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:
> Karen, to Alyce:
>> Why do you oppose all declawing?

> I'm not Alyce, but I'll bet she wouldn't
> disagree with this: Because it is mutilating
> an animal for no reason other than a person's
> convenience.

> If you can't deal with a cat the way God made
> it, you have no business owning a cat.

Ah, but who really 'owns a cat'?!

Karen

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>
> If you can't deal with a cat the way God made
> it, you have no business owning a cat.
>
> --
> Richard          as for main(), see Is 55:11

Um  How do you feel about spaying?

BrP

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>  shibbolethily

> Richard          as for main(), see Is 55:11


I LOVE this word.


BrP

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 9:20:34 AM, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:
> There's just a <way> that members of my tribe
> pronounce jagoff that shibbolethily differs
> from any other way I have ever heard it.

Okay.

> Just comes to mind 'cuz a friend of a friend
> who was in for Mardi Gras said it <right> and
> I knew where he was from.

> To start with, y'sorta slide the j.

I need to hear this sometime.

> Richard          as for main(), see Is 55:11

LOL. "return unto me void"! indeed.

Karen

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BrP:
> Um  How do you feel about spaying?

That's an entirely different matter and
you know it.

I even had my fakkin' GUINEA PIG castrated.
(It didn't seem to alter his sex drive, by
the way.)

--
Richard          as for main(), see Is 55:11

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Tushar:
> Ah ... my bad. Yeah, he's probably a Texan or something.

I was thinking _far_ worse: the suburbs.

--
Richard          as for main(), see Is 55:11

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 9:32:29 AM, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:
> BrP:
>> Um  How do you feel about spaying?

> That's an entirely different matter and
> you know it.

Why? Isn't it altering them for your convenience?

Karen

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Karen:
> Why? Isn't it altering them for your convenience?

I admit a bias: I not infrequently have to ride
through packs of wild dogs.  It's a bit unnerving.

Spaying/neutering benefits society; amputating the
ends of a cat's feet benefits furniture.

--
Richard          as for main(), see Is 55:11

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I do know it and I'm against declawing.  I just dislike any argument that starts with some
version of "if God had intended..."

BrP


> BrP:
> > Um  How do you feel about spaying?
>
> That's an entirely different matter and
> you know it.
>
> I even had my fakkin' GUINEA PIG castrated.
> (It didn't seem to alter his sex drive, by
> the way.)
>
> --
> Richard          as for main(), see Is 55:11

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Webmail sux, but I guess it's better than nothing.  Greetings from
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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 9:57:23 AM, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:
>>You don't think that's a slight overstatement,
>>'amputating the ends of a cat's feet'?

> No, I do not.  Are you sure you know what
> happens when a cat is "declawed"?

Well, I thought they removed the claws.

>>So far, you merely sound hysterical, Richard

> I'm gonna go all MARCIA CLARK on yo ass!

LOL.

Karen

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> LOL. "return unto me void"! indeed.

"Shall NOT return unto me void", Herb Schildt-breath.

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Richard          as for main(), see Is 55:11

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BrP:
>I just dislike any argument that starts with
>some version of "if God had intended..."

Uh oh...  Better put aside the "dominion over
the animals" gag...

--
Richard          as for main(), see Is 55:11

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 9:35:56 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> I do know it and I'm against declawing.

Even for indoor cats? Why?

Karen

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> Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 9:32:29 AM, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:
> > BrP:
> >> Um  How do you feel about spaying?
>
> > That's an entirely different matter and
> > you know it.
>
> Why? Isn't it altering them for your convenience?
>
> Karen

Perhaps, but not only that.

BrP

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Yes. <gag> is the word

BrP



> BrP:
> >I just dislike any argument that starts with
> >some version of "if God had intended..."
>
> Uh oh...  Better put aside the "dominion over
> the animals" gag...
>
> --
> Richard          as for main(), see Is 55:11

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D'accord!


BrP




> Karen:
> > Why? Isn't it altering them for your convenience?
>
> I admit a bias: I not infrequently have to ride
> through packs of wild dogs.  It's a bit unnerving.
>
> Spaying/neutering benefits society; amputating the
> ends of a cat's feet benefits furniture.
>
> --
> Richard          as for main(), see Is 55:11

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 9:44:06 AM, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:
> Spaying/neutering benefits society; amputating the
> ends of a cat's feet benefits furniture.

You don't think that's a slight overstatement, 'amputating the
ends of a cat's feet'?

As I said, I'm not considering this; I'd never do this to this to
my current cat, and I'm unlikely to have a future one unless it
finds me on its own. I'm just curious as to what the arguments
are. So far, you merely sound hysterical, Richard, which is not
attractive or convincing.

Karen

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>You don't think that's a slight overstatement,
>'amputating the ends of a cat's feet'?

No, I do not.  Are you sure you know what
happens when a cat is "declawed"?

>So far, you merely sound hysterical, Richard

I'm gonna go all MARCIA CLARK on yo ass!

--
Richard          as for main(), see Is 55:11

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 7:26:44 AM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> It is an Italian-style red wine.  Rosso is one of two types of wine (the
> other is Brunello) made in the Montalcino area of Tuscany.  Rosso is the
> "younger" of the two---aged only a couple of years; Brunello is considered
> by many to be one of the premier red wines of Italy.

Cool.

> Coppola is what you probably suspect.  Francis Ford Coppola, who rumor has
> it, is of Italian descent, now produces wine.  His Rosso is dark and
> hearty, but smoother than some of the Rossos I tasted in Italy.  No doubt
> it would be too intense a sensory experience for Mr. Samant's effete
> sensibilities.

Do you think the wine is smoother because he's an American?

I'm just wondering. I have great memories of drinking sake in
Japan, but mostly not very refined stuff. Unfortunately, in this
country, you can only buy the 'special' or 'top grade' sake. They
just don't import anything less, but I find that it has almost no
flavor.

Karen

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>
> On a more interesting note, it just came across the ESPN scroll
that
> Georgia has suspended Harrick and will not play in the SEC or
NCAA
> tournaments.  At such a time, if they aren't already, the
Kentucky faithful
> ought to be thanking some set of gods or another for Tubby.
>
> cwv

If you mean that Kentucky will not have to worry about the always
dangerous UGA, consider that it might be Tennessee instead, with
conference Player of the Year Ron Slay.  I don't believe we will
escape the tourney without a loss.

If you mean that Tubby is clean and plays by the rules, then I
say
Amen, brother.  I have already made my prayer of thanksgiving.

Re UGA's woes, they sound serious.  If it's academic fraud, as
seems to be the case, then there is a fresh meaning to John
Hannum's mantra about that "fine education I received at the
University of Georgia."

I forgot to mention that Natalie, in her phone call, was also
buoyed by Mississippi State's fortunes, both the men and the
women.

brad

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Karen Kay wrote:
> Why? Isn't it altering them for your convenience?

No. Because you can just throw the kitties and puppies out and forget
them, or send them to the shelter to be killed. Or put them in a burlap
bag and drown them yourself. Nothing inconvenient about that.

alyce

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET>
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> On 10 Mar 2003 at 17:47, Brad Grissom wrote:
>
> > I told her the list had been relatively quiet what
> > with her absence and the SnowBash....
>
> Not to mention your own delinquency.
>

Now that March Madness is here, I will be popping off more often.

brad

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>I'm just wondering. I have great memories of drinking sake in
>Japan, but mostly not very refined stuff. Unfortunately, in this
>country, you can only buy the 'special' or 'top grade' sake. They
>just don't import anything less, but I find that it has almost no
>flavor.

There is a sake factory in Berkeley, with a tasting room, where
they serve unrefined sake.

/Jim

>
>Karen

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 10:25:38 AM, bonniev wrote:
> There is some evidence that declawing a cat is not similar to
> de-fingernailing a human but rather it is comparable to taking the top
> joint off the human finger.   It is not only Richard who says this.

Thank you for a fact.

Karen

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Karen:
> Well, I thought they removed the claws.

Ah, O.K.  Next time you have access to
a declawed cat, have a look at its paws.
See for yourself.

--
Richard          as for main(), see Is 55:11

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Gerald \"Little Milton\" Bostock wrote:
>  Because it is mutilating
> an animal for no reason other than a person's
> convenience.
>
> If you can't deal with a cat the way God made
> it, you have no business owning a cat.

Richard, you have taken the words from my mouth.

alyce

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> Um  How do you feel about spaying?

I'm not Richard, but I think he would not disagree with this:
Unless you are prepared to keep a cat inside and away from all other
cats of the opposite sex, failure to spay or neuter will allow more cats
to be born that will not be taken care of and that will be killed or
suffer needlessly. Puppies, too. Only professional breeders should not
spay, and sometimes I wonder about that, thinking that there may already
be anough champion stock.

alyce

alyce

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>You don't think that's a slight overstatement, 'amputating the
>ends of a cat's feet'?
>Karen

There is some evidence that declawing a cat is not similar to
de-fingernailing a human but rather it is comparable to taking the top
joint off the human finger.   It is not only Richard who says this.


    --bonniev

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 10:17:16 AM, Jim Bradley wrote:
>>I'm just wondering. I have great memories of drinking sake in
>>Japan, but mostly not very refined stuff. Unfortunately, in this
>>country, you can only buy the 'special' or 'top grade' sake. They
>>just don't import anything less, but I find that it has almost no
>>flavor.

> There is a sake factory in Berkeley, with a tasting room, where
> they serve unrefined sake.

In *Berkeley*? How odd. Oh, well, I moved away too soon.

Karen

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 11:13:57 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Why? Isn't it altering them for your convenience?

> No. Because you can just throw the kitties and puppies out and forget
> them, or send them to the shelter to be killed. Or put them in a burlap
> bag and drown them yourself. Nothing inconvenient about that.

You are just being sarcastic with me!

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Even for indoor cats? Why?

May we remove your fingernails, Karen? YOu don't really need them, do
you?

alyce

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 11:24:38 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Even for indoor cats? Why?

> May we remove your fingernails, Karen? YOu don't really need them, do
> you?

Actually, I use them all the time. But last time I checked, my
cat doesn't thread a needle or pick up thinks with her paws.

Karen

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On 11 Mar 2003 at 8:10, bonniev wrote:

> I thought it was you sitting next to me on the couch commenting that
> Neal's then wife was sort of standoffish and a tad unpleasant at
> Wordstock.

She seemed busy and preoccupied with other things--including
repairing a broken cat--but she was not in any sense unpleasant.
That, at least, is my recollection.

    nen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> You are just being sarcastic with me!

No. I speak from the heart. It is more convenient for humans not to spay
their animals. Spaying/neutering requires responsibility and money, so
it is inconvenient. That this irresponsible convenience results in packs
of wild dogs that plague Richard, and mewling furry babes that die
piteous deaths, is something people rarely think of. Except that I do,
frequently.

alyce, bleeding heart

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Karen Kay wrote:
> Anyway, Alyce, don't go off at me, because I'm not going to kill
> any babies, and I'm not going to declaw my cat.

I am finished with the subject and am not going off at you any longer.

> She needs them in
> case the possums come after her.

I guess, although have you ever seen how long a possum's claws are?
Very, very.

alyce

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 11:44:31 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Anyway, Alyce, don't go off at me, because I'm not going to kill
>> any babies, and I'm not going to declaw my cat.

> I am finished with the subject and am not going off at you any longer.

I just wanted a fact, and Bonnie gave me one.

>> She needs them in
>> case the possums come after her.

> I guess, although have you ever seen how long a possum's claws are?
> Very, very.

I've seen pictures, I think. I think if I saw them in person, it
might be the last thing I saw...

Karen

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Alyce:
> > If you can't deal with a cat the way God made
> > it, you have no business owning a cat.
> Richard, you have taken the words from my mouth.

Nothing to add; I just want to show Br Paul that
I never said anything about "what God intended".

...and to save you some typing: s/God/nature

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Hi,

I have had cats for many years and just this past year learned that they
rely on their claws as an aid to their sense of balance.  I suppose that
means that a declawed cat will  not always land on its feet.  Only one
of my cats was ever declawed (not my decision.  She lived elsewhere for
a time.).  She seemed to be very aware of this.  Even though she never
went outside and my other cats adored her, she seemed to know that she
would be defenseless if that changed.  She was very timid and almost
reclusive until the day she died.  To this day, I regret that I let that
 happen to her and I will not ever let it happen to another cat who owns me.

My 2 cents.

Rita L.

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 11:35:28 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> You are just being sarcastic with me!

> No. I speak from the heart. It is more convenient for humans not to spay
> their animals. Spaying/neutering requires responsibility and money, so
> it is inconvenient. That this irresponsible convenience results in packs
> of wild dogs that plague Richard, and mewling furry babes that die
> piteous deaths, is something people rarely think of. Except that I do,
> frequently.

> alyce, bleeding heart

Actually, a lot of place spay and neuter for free.

Anyway, Alyce, don't go off at me, because I'm not going to kill
any babies, and I'm not going to declaw my cat. She needs them in
case the possums come after her. (Actually, her chief mode of
protecting herself is hiding. I can't remember if I mentioned
this, but one sunny winter day, I looked out the window and
wondered what that lump of dead leaves in the middle of the lawn
was. Turned out to be the cat, sunning herself. Her
black-and-gold coloring is like elegant camouflage.)

My cat is so non-threatening, the birds even come in my yard to
eat and play when she's there.

Karen

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>From: bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM>
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>>
>>Did I really? I have no knowledge of this so doubt it was me.
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>I thought it was you sitting next to me on the couch commenting that Neal's
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I think it was your misanthrope filter which caused you to infer that from
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And aren't we supposed to show some sensibility taking ftf conversations
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I read that 20% of the profits go to Palestinian and European charities.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2640259.stm

Now I don't mind the "charity" idea, but I wonder if it also funds detonable
materials and their use.

This new era is taking on an ominous personality... and fast.

'Alan

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Alan Wild wrote:

> I read that 20% of the profits go to Palestinian and European charities.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2640259.stm

from the article: "...and 10% to European NGOs."

What is NGO?

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv writes,

>What is NGO?

"Non-governmental organization."

Foundations or other organized entities that accomplish generally
international work, but aren't part of a government.

Pete

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02003-03-11 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >02003-03-10 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> >
> >>On 10 Mar 2003 at 20:59, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: info@johncompanies.com
> >>>Subject: Outage details - please read - JohnCompanies
> >>>
> >>Wouldn't you know the Supreme Pimp Daddy would go to an outfit with
> >>a name like this?
> >>
> >
> >Good thing a true pimp doesn't understand subtle insults ...
> >because I was THIS close to dragging Rita in the middle!
>
>
>        Thank you.  I agree.

LOL:)

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Karen Kay:
= > = investigate them some more. But being in my house with claws out
= > = is not an option.
=
= I think I'm just restating that it's likely that she's going to
= stay an outdoor cat. I do understand the need to scratch.
=

I don't have a problem with her staying an outdoor cat.  I just
got the impression that you were banishing her because of her
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02003-03-11 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 05:19 AM 3/11/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
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> >andbeniceinfuture. I'mgoingtotryandbeniceinfuture. I'mgoingto
> >tryandbeniceinfuture. I'mgoingtotryandbeniceinfuture.
> >
> >-rashmi, frequent occupant of curmudgeons' corner
>
> Would that every curmudgeon was as delightful a conversationalist as are
> you.

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Pete wrote:

> >What is NGO?
>
> "Non-governmental organization."

Thank you!

Kristin

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02003-03-11 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> Coppola is what you probably suspect.  Francis Ford Coppola, who rumor has
> it, is of Italian descent, now produces wine.  His Rosso is dark and
> hearty, but smoother than some of the Rossos I tasted in Italy.  No doubt
> it would be too intense a sensory experience for Mr. Samant's effete
> sensibilities.

Oh, is it BIG, for BIG people? Carry on then

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> Alan Wild wrote:
>
> > I read that 20% of the profits go to Palestinian and European charities.
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2640259.stm
>
> from the article: "...and 10% to European NGOs."
>
> What is NGO?

Non-governmental organizations associated with the UN. Cf.
http://www.ngo.org/

alyce

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Non-governmental organizations associated with the UN. Cf.
> http://www.ngo.org/

Aha. Thank you, too!

I did not know whether this abbreviation was as well known as it could be
quickly found in the net or a dictionary. So I just as quickly asked it from the
list.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv writes,

>Thank you!

You're welcome!

Came into broad use because of the UN Charter, Chapter 10, Article 71
<http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/chapt10.htm>:

The Economic and Social Council may make suitable arrangements for
consultation with non-governmental organizations which are concerned with
matters within its competence. Such arrangements may be made with
international organizations and, where appropriate, with national
organizations after consultation with the Member of the United Nations
concerned.

And from <http://ngo.fawco.org/glossary.html#ngo>, a larger definition:

NGO
Any non-governmental organization, big or small, international or local,
which is permitted to participate in United Nations related activities as
stated in Chapter 10 Article 71 of the United Nations Charter. The term NGO
covers a range of organizations, as large as Amnesty International, Green
Peace, "Medecins du Monde" - or as small as a community organization. The
largest NGO, the Red Cross has 105 million members. The term originated as
a means of distinguishing organizations which might take part in
international or UN-related activities, and which were NOT sponsored by any
government from those which ARE government-sponsored.

I agree that NGOs can mean "small" or "local," but when used to refer to
a  class, I'd judge it to mean either international organizations, or a
reference used internationally.  In-nation in the US, you'd hear a more
localized term, "non-profit", "501(c)(3)" (which refers to a tax code
exemption), etc.

Pete

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Kristin Sarv writes,

>I did not know whether this abbreviation was as well known as it could be
>quickly found in the net or a dictionary. So I just as quickly asked it
>from the list.

That's what you're supposed to do.  The words-l code for it is "IMFTATL":
it's more fun to ask the list.

Many times you'll get better context by asking the list instead of the net
or a dictionary.  Or at least you'll engender more discussion. :)

Pete

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 12:22:37 PM, steph wrote:
> I don't have a problem with her staying an outdoor cat.  I just
> got the impression that you were banishing her because of her
> claws, which I thought was silly.

It's not a reason to banish her, but it is a deterrent to me
bringing her inside full time. I'm sorry if you think that's
silly.

Karen

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In a message dated 3/11/2003 10:56:42 AM, leonard@BC.EDU writes:

<<  To this day, I regret that I let that
 happen to her and I will not ever let it happen to another cat who owns me.
 >>

Absolutely; my 2 cents worth, Theo

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> That's what you're supposed to do.  The words-l code for it is "IMFTATL":
> it's more fun to ask the list.

This was an abbreviation I quickly learned :) A very useful one!

Kristin

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In a message dated 3/11/2003 11:33:33 AM, stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM writes:

<< I don't have a problem with her staying an outdoor cat.  I just
got the impression that you were banishing her because of her
claws, which I thought was silly.
 >>

Mine  is never going to be an outdoor cat. But I agree, declawing is cruel.
Theo

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> Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> > That's what you're supposed to do.  The words-l code for it is
"IMFTATL":
> > it's more fun to ask the list.
>
> This was an abbreviation I quickly learned :) A very useful one!
>
> Kristin

I always thought it was "it's much faster to ask the list."
Even if that's not correct, it's often true.

                         - D. M.

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> > > At 05:19 AM 3/11/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > >
> > > >... I'mgoingtotryandbeniceinfuture.I'mgoingtotry
> > > >andbeniceinfuture. I'mgoingtotryandbeniceinfuture. I'mgoingto
> > > >tryandbeniceinfuture. I'mgoingtotryandbeniceinfuture.
>
> Tushar:
> > sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
> > sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
> > sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
> > sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
> > sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
> > sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
> > sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
>
> andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway
> andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway
> andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway
> andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway
> andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway
> andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway
> andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway
>
> BrP

I bet if there were not the copy'nd'paste option I had never seen these messages
:)

Kristin

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

>  In-nation in the US, you'd hear a more
> localized term, "non-profit", "501(c)(3)" (which refers to a tax code
> exemption), etc.

I guess, non-profit organization/association is a somewhat broader notion, in a
sense, although its field of action may be narrower. Kinds of hobby groups can
register themselves here and, I guess, elsewhere, as non-profit associations.
If I knew more about business (terms) and finance, I could better understand
why it is sometimes more useful for a group to register as non-profit than...
now, I do not know what are the alternatives.

Kristin

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I always thought it was "it's much faster to ask the list."

Perhaps you never needed badly to read Words-l glossary.

Kristin

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> 02003-03-11 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > At 05:19 AM 3/11/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >
> > >... I'mgoingtotryandbeniceinfuture.I'mgoingtotry
> > >andbeniceinfuture. I'mgoingtotryandbeniceinfuture. I'mgoingto
> > >tryandbeniceinfuture. I'mgoingtotryandbeniceinfuture.
> > >
> > >-rashmi, frequent occupant of curmudgeons' corner
> >
> > Would that every curmudgeon was as delightful a conversationalist as are
> > you.

Tushar:
> sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
> sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
> sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
> sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
> sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
> sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
> sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck

andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway
andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway
andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway
andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway
andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway
andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway
andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway


BrP

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > Peter Kaminski wrote:
> >
> > > That's what you're supposed to do.  The words-l code for it is
> "IMFTATL":
> > > it's more fun to ask the list.
>
> I always thought it was "it's much faster to ask the list."
> Even if that's not correct, it's often true.

Yes, it is. But now to think: it is more fun to follow the instruction
as explained formerly.

Kristin

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Correct.  I have never seen it.

8-o ,which is supposed to express amazement. It often seems to me that
I'm the only one who hasn't read everything.:)

(A bad thing with smileys is that one cannot use brackets very well.
Well, I am of course a manic bracketteer.)

Kristin

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02003-03-11 | Gerald Little Milton Bostock <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> Tushar:
> > Ah ... my bad. Yeah, he's probably a Texan or something.
>
> I was thinking _far_ worse: the suburbs.

That's impossible. It doesn't happen.

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 1:29:40 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Well, I am of course a manic bracketteer.)

Better than being a manic mouseketeer, I think.:)

Karen

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More flashbacks to Dr. Strangelove; this time to Jack Ripper's recall code
"OPE" <http://www.indelibleinc.com/kubrick/films/strangelove/images/poe.jpg>

News today:

>The US Air Force scheduled a test today of the biggest conventional bomb
>in the world, a 21,000-pound device that could play a dramatic role in an
>attack on Iraq.
>
>The bomb, known as the Massive Ordnance Air Blast, or MOAB, and
>unofficially nicknamed the Mother of All Bombs, is guided to its target by
>satellite signals. This was to be its first live test.
>
>The bomb is so powerful that its detonation was expected to create a
>mushroom cloud visible for miles.

What should I hope for?  That the Air Force knows that "Moab" is a Biblical
kingdom and place name, and is not-so-subtly telegraphing something?  Or
that they don't know, and are displaying the classic American
religio-cultural ignorance at the worst possible time?

Excerpts from Daily Bible Study - Moab
<http://www.execulink.com/~wblank/moab.htm>:

>Moab has 3 different uses in The Bible - the name of a man, the name of a
>people that descended from that man, and a territory that they occupied.
>_Moab_, from the Hebrew, has been interpreted to mean either _of the
>father_, or _beautiful land_.
>
>The land of Moab is located east of The Jordan River and The Dead Sea, and
>south of the Arnon (Numbers 21:10-15). Today, Moab is within the Kingdom
>of Jordan.
>
>It was in the Plains of Moab, opposite Jericho (Numbers 22:1, 26:63,
>Joshua 13:32), that the Israelites made their last encampment before they
>entered the Promised Land after their Wilderness Journey.
>
>Then The Lord said to him, "This is the land I promised on oath to
>Abraham, Isaac and Jacob when I said, 'I will give it to your
>descendants.' I have let you see it with your eyes, but you will not cross
>over into it." And Moses the servant of The Lord died there in Moab, as
>The Lord had said. He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth
>Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is. Moses was a hundred
>and twenty years old when he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his
>strength gone. The Israelites grieved for Moses in the plains of Moab
>thirty days, until the time of weeping and mourning was over."
>(Deuteronomy 34:1-8)

Pete

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > I always thought it was "it's much faster to ask the list."
>
> Perhaps you never needed badly to read Words-l glossary.
>
> Kristin

Correct.  I have never seen it.

        - D. M.

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On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

>No. Because you can just throw the kitties and puppies out and forget
>them, or send them to the shelter to be killed. Or put them in a burlap
>bag and drown them yourself. Nothing inconvenient about that.

I would find all those activities damned inconvenient!

Bethany

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> Maybe it's true there's no such thing
> as a coincidence.  This is way weird.
>
> Bout time to bring out Edgar Cayce again.
> Any of you read him when he was popularized
> in the 70's (I think).  I have some of his books
> in the basement.  Maybe I should look for them
> and read his predictions.  See if he talks about
> Moab.
>
>                      - D. M.


I think I'll wait until I see Atlantis rising out of the Bermuda Triangle.


BrP

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
> >
> News today:
>
> >The US Air Force scheduled a test today of the biggest conventional bomb
> >in the world, a 21,000-pound device

I heard that it was so loud that it killed birds and small animals who
cannot withstand that many decibels. IF anyone sees anything about this,
please let me know. I know the Navy has been deafening (thus killing)
whales with their booms underwater, but this would be a new assault on
the animal kingdom.

alyce

alyce

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>Bout time to bring out Edgar Cayce again.
>Any of you read him when he was popularized
>in the 70's (I think).                  - D. M.

Yes, I have.


    --bonniev

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Maybe it's true there's no such thing
as a coincidence.  This is way weird.

Bout time to bring out Edgar Cayce again.
Any of you read him when he was popularized
in the 70's (I think).  I have some of his books
in the basement.  Maybe I should look for them
and read his predictions.  See if he talks about
Moab.

                     - D. M.




> More flashbacks to Dr. Strangelove; this time to Jack Ripper's recall
code
> "OPE"
<http://www.indelibleinc.com/kubrick/films/strangelove/images/poe.jpg>
>
> News today:
>
> >The US Air Force scheduled a test today of the biggest conventional
bomb
> >in the world, a 21,000-pound device that could play a dramatic role
in an
> >attack on Iraq.
> >
> >The bomb, known as the Massive Ordnance Air Blast, or MOAB, and
> >unofficially nicknamed the Mother of All Bombs, is guided to its
target by
> >satellite signals. This was to be its first live test.
> >
> >The bomb is so powerful that its detonation was expected to create a
> >mushroom cloud visible for miles.
>
> What should I hope for?  That the Air Force knows that "Moab" is a
Biblical
> kingdom and place name, and is not-so-subtly telegraphing something?
Or
> that they don't know, and are displaying the classic American
> religio-cultural ignorance at the worst possible time?
>
> Excerpts from Daily Bible Study - Moab
> <http://www.execulink.com/~wblank/moab.htm>:
>
> >Moab has 3 different uses in The Bible - the name of a man, the name
of a
> >people that descended from that man, and a territory that they
occupied.
> >_Moab_, from the Hebrew, has been interpreted to mean either _of the
> >father_, or _beautiful land_.
> >
> >The land of Moab is located east of The Jordan River and The Dead
Sea, and
> >south of the Arnon (Numbers 21:10-15). Today, Moab is within the
Kingdom
> >of Jordan.
> >
> >It was in the Plains of Moab, opposite Jericho (Numbers 22:1, 26:63,
> >Joshua 13:32), that the Israelites made their last encampment before
they
> >entered the Promised Land after their Wilderness Journey.
> >
> >Then The Lord said to him, "This is the land I promised on oath to
> >Abraham, Isaac and Jacob when I said, 'I will give it to your
> >descendants.' I have let you see it with your eyes, but you will not
cross
> >over into it." And Moses the servant of The Lord died there in Moab,
as
> >The Lord had said. He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth
> >Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is. Moses was a
hundred
> >and twenty years old when he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his
> >strength gone. The Israelites grieved for Moses in the plains of Moab
> >thirty days, until the time of weeping and mourning was over."
> >(Deuteronomy 34:1-8)
>
> Pete
>

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> What should I hope for?  That the Air Force knows that "Moab" is a Biblical
> kingdom and place name, and is not-so-subtly telegraphing something?

    Nah, more'n likely they're just suckin' up to Orrin Hatch.

JMW

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>And aren't we supposed to show some sensibility taking ftf conversations
>among a select group of people onto the list? (Must I tell you a thousand
>times?!)      --Marie

Says she who just mentioned squatting.  And, anyway, who gives a shit
whether or not Neal's exwife was pleasant at Wordstock.  She's not even a
wordsler.  And neither is Neal anymore.


    --bonniev

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At 01:18 PM 3/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>From: bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM>
>>>>Rashmi admitted that Neal's marriage was likely already on the rocks
>>>>before
>>>>he hosted the annual wordsler bash.
>>>
>>>Did I really? I have no knowledge of this so doubt it was me.
>>>-rashmi, frequent occupant of curmudgeons' corner
>>
>>I thought it was you sitting next to me on the couch commenting that Neal's
>>then wife was sort of standoffish and a tad unpleasant at
>>Wordstock.
>
>I think it was your misanthrope filter which caused you to infer that from
>the words that were already spoken. I didn't think that that sounded like
>something Rashmi had said. I think there might have been comments made that
>she didn't participate -- staying in the house or otherwise <away> during
>the event, and that she seemed actually peeved about something at one point
>(rightfully so if she didn't really want to have 20-some people sleeping on
>her lawn and playing in her kitchen. One might assume that there were
>probably some problems in their marriage at that point -- that Wordstock
>wasn't the actual cause of their breakup -- and maybe that was said so you
>might lose some concern about having the party this year (what with Lisa's
>random squatting and all). But I don't think anyone said that they had any
>facts about this.
>
>And aren't we supposed to show some sensibility taking ftf conversations
>among a select group of people onto the list? (Must I tell you a thousand
>times?!)
>
>Marie

oh jesus I nearly spit water all over my laptop!

lisa
selective... not random.. squatter

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02003-03-11 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > 02003-03-11 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > > At 05:19 AM 3/11/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > >
> > > >... I'mgoingtotryandbeniceinfuture.I'mgoingtotry
> > > >andbeniceinfuture. I'mgoingtotryandbeniceinfuture. I'mgoingto
> > > >tryandbeniceinfuture. I'mgoingtotryandbeniceinfuture.
> > > >
> > > >-rashmi, frequent occupant of curmudgeons' corner
> > >
> > > Would that every curmudgeon was as delightful a conversationalist as are
> > > you.
>
> Tushar:
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>
> andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway
> andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway
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John Williams writes,

>     Nah, more'n likely they're just suckin' up to Orrin Hatch.

:), if that's appropriate for such a dark subject.

Pete

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At 07:32 AM 3/11/2003 -0500, bogris01 wrote:

>If you mean that Tubby is clean and plays by the rules, then I
>say
>Amen, brother.  I have already made my prayer of thanksgiving.

That's the one I meant.

I still think that Kentucky is the class of the SEC, but you're
right---they aren't unbeatable.  As for Harrick--what a sleazeball.  I note
that RI is also beginning an investigation of his antics (other than the
sexual harassment thing); he may the first coach to bring down two programs
in the same year.  So far, four teams are done for the season---three of
which (Michigan, Fresno St., Georgia) had legitimate shots to enter the
NCAA tourney with reasonable seedings.  Sad.

cwv

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At 10:01 AM 3/11/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:

>Do you think the wine is smoother because he's an American?

No.  It may be a slightly different variety of grape and because the grapes
were grown in California.  Montalcino is surrounded by vineyards but only
the grapes on one or two slopes/aspects consistently produce the premium
Brunellos.  According to the winemaker who talked to us, this is due to the
variations in soil type, sun exposure, available moisture, and microclimate
in general.  The Rossos I tasted there were good (in fact, I think I prefer
them to the Brunellos), but not as good as the Coppola.

>I'm just wondering. I have great memories of drinking sake in
>Japan, but mostly not very refined stuff. Unfortunately, in this
>country, you can only buy the 'special' or 'top grade' sake.

Interesting.  For years, the situation with single-malt whiskies was the
opposite---the really good stuff stayed in Scotland.

cwv

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> > Maybe it's true there's no such thing
> > as a coincidence.  This is way weird.
> >
> > Bout time to bring out Edgar Cayce again.
> > Any of you read him when he was popularized
> > in the 70's (I think).  I have some of his books
> > in the basement.  Maybe I should look for them
> > and read his predictions.  See if he talks about
> > Moab.
> >
> >                      - D. M.
>
>
> I think I'll wait until I see Atlantis rising out of the Bermuda
Triangle.
>
>
> BrP

Listen.  I knew Nostradamus.
And you are no Nostradamus.

             - D. M.

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Oh, my, yes!
I was told recently that women have better orgasms than men; proof:
God intended it to be so, to make up for the pain of childbirth.

When I pointed out that this was not only illogical but also nonsense, the
reply was "no, it's neither - it's just a fact; that's the way God planned
it, and it's therefore true"

clo

On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

> I do know it and I'm against declawing.  I just dislike any argument that starts with some
> version of "if God had intended..."
>
> BrP
>
>
> > BrP:
> > > Um  How do you feel about spaying?
> >
> > That's an entirely different matter and
> > you know it.
> >
> > I even had my fakkin' GUINEA PIG castrated.
> > (It didn't seem to alter his sex drive, by
> > the way.)

If he was fakin', why did he require castration?

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Actually, my cats do use claws to pull things toward them, push them away,
test their texture, separate items, etc. There's more to the claw than is
apparent at first glance.
clo

On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 11:24:38 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >> Even for indoor cats? Why?
>
> > May we remove your fingernails, Karen? YOu don't really need them, do
> > you?
>
> Actually, I use them all the time. But last time I checked, my
> cat doesn't thread a needle or pick up thinks with her paws.
>
> Karen
>

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errr I'd like to bash some snow... going out to the car last night, I
slipped on a patch of black ice covered by snow, and down I went. Dr. is
unable to determine extent of injury to left knee, due to swelling holding
everything in place (though, not to cause concern, that knee was full of
bone spurs already, and it's probably just an excruciating strain)

If I hadn't had a lunch date w/ BrPaul to lighten my day, I'da called it a
draw and gone back to bed.
Thanks for these expressive words, though:

> > > sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
> > > sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
> > > sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
> > > sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
> > > sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
> > > sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
> > > sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
> >
> > andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway
> > andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway
> > andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway
> > andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway
> > andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway
> > andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway
> > andnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodwayandnotinthegoodway

clo

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>02003-03-11 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > At 05:19 AM 3/11/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >
> > >... I'mgoingtotryandbeniceinfuture.I'mgoingtotry
> > >andbeniceinfuture. I'mgoingtotryandbeniceinfuture. I'mgoingto
> > >tryandbeniceinfuture. I'mgoingtotryandbeniceinfuture.
> > >
> > >-rashmi, frequent occupant of curmudgeons' corner
> >
> > Would that every curmudgeon was as delightful a conversationalist as are
> > you.

Tushar:
>sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
>sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
>sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
>sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
>sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
>sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck
>sucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksucksuck

Hey Tushar, someone proposed that the next event be held in
Chicago - to invoke the infamous Words-L Host Curse ...

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>errr I'd like to bash some snow... going out to the car last night, I
>slipped on a patch of black ice covered by snow, and down I
>went. Dr. is
>unable to determine extent of injury to left knee, due to
>swelling holding
>everything in place (though, not to cause concern, that knee
>was full of
>bone spurs already, and it's probably just an excruciating strain)
>
>If I hadn't had a lunch date w/ BrPaul to lighten my day, I'da
>called it a
>draw and gone back to bed.
>Thanks for these expressive words, though:
>


Ice sucks big time. I hate Winter because of the ice, not the cold or the
snow.


alec

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Daddy and I had an early-morning date at District Court to
probate my mother's will.  We arrived early, as it is difficult
for Daddy to walk.  Security even tried to hold his metal cane
but he convinced them otherwise.  As we sat waiting for our
lawyer, I saw a familiar redheaded fellow walk by.  I leaped out
of my chair and called out, "Hey, Joe!"  He turned and replied,
"Hey, Brad!"  I was impressed that he remembered me and my name;
he is a famous local (former) saloon owner.  (If you've seen a
cheapo Lee Majors movie entitled -Steel-, you've seen shots of
his bar, where interiors were filmed.  Meant to create a working
class milieu, but it was really a college hangout.  And the film
is noted locally for the plunging death of a stunt man from a
skyscraper--his giant airbag failed.  But I am wandering from the
point...)  We swapped stories about why we were there, and I took
him over to meet my father.  "Daddy, this is my friend Joe from a
long time ago; he's a former, uh, hardware-store owner."  Joe and
I grinned at each other, then I 'fessed up.  "No, Daddy, he owned
a famous bar, and was noted for all-night pig-roast vigils out in
the country, among other things."

Joe went on about his bidness, and Daddy and I resumed our wait.
After a few minutes, he turned to me and said, "Son, does it not
ever bother you that every bartender in town seems to know you?"

The reply that I made, cunning as it was, is irrelevant.

brad

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bonniev:

>I thought it was you sitting next to me on the couch commenting that Neal's
>then wife was sort of standoffish and a tad unpleasant at
>Wordstock.

I remember trying to tell you that you and Clyde weren't
responsible for feeding hordes of hungry festers. That we
were capable of foraging for ourselves - that's about the only reassurance I
remember giving.

-rashmi

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02003-03-11 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 10:01 AM 3/11/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >Do you think the wine is smoother because he's an American?
>
> No.  It may be a slightly different variety of grape and because the grapes
> were grown in California.  Montalcino is surrounded by vineyards but only
> the grapes on one or two slopes/aspects consistently produce the premium
> Brunellos.

Yeah, Karen!

> According to the winemaker who talked to us, this is due to the variations
> in soil type, sun exposure, available moisture, and microclimate in general.

Winemakers know all kinds of s3krit stuff ...

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02003-03-11 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Hey Tushar, someone proposed that the next event be held in
> Chicago - to invoke the infamous Words-L Host Curse ...

Someone is pretty witty!

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At 08:04 AM 3/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> > I agree that it got to sounding pretty mean spirited after a while. I'm
> > horrified that you made our Paul feel badly though.
> >
> > Betty
>
>I never said I felt bad, Bad Betty.
>
>BrP

You didn't giggle for ten minutes!

BB

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 3:23:15 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> Actually, my cats do use claws to pull things toward them, push them away,
> test their texture, separate items, etc. There's more to the claw than is
> apparent at first glance.

Hm. I've only seen my cat use her claws in my furniture. So far.
And she did the kneading thing in my skin when I was petting her
once.

Karen

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In a message dated 03/10/2003 10:22:12 PM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<<
Should add that if I make it until April 4,
>>

We will have a listparty.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
This account protected by an attack cabbit.

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 3:43:18 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> errr I'd like to bash some snow... going out to the car last night, I
> slipped on a patch of black ice covered by snow, and down I went. Dr. is
> unable to determine extent of injury to left knee, due to swelling holding
> everything in place (though, not to cause concern, that knee was full of
> bone spurs already, and it's probably just an excruciating strain)

Argh! Sorry. I hope it gets better soon.

> If I hadn't had a lunch date w/ BrPaul to lighten my day, I'da called it a
> draw and gone back to bed.

Well, lunch with Paul would brighten MY day, I'll tell you
what...

You'll have to stand in for him in three weeks!:)

Karen

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02003-03-11 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> You might look at http://www.appalachiantrail.org/ for ideas on
> how to cope with distace, planning, etc.
>
> And http://gorp.com/gorp/activity/hiking/1804_urban.htm  for how
> to cope with the urban element.
>
> and this seems to have a lot of general stuff, but with a fair
> amount of long distance stuff
> http://walking.about.com/mbody.htm
>
> I'm guessing there are pros and cons to going straight up the
> lake, say versus some less urban route.

Brokenly I reply: thank you

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 4:17:13 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-11 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
>> At 10:01 AM 3/11/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> >Do you think the wine is smoother because he's an American?
>>
>> No.  It may be a slightly different variety of grape and because the grapes
>> were grown in California.  Montalcino is surrounded by vineyards but only
>> the grapes on one or two slopes/aspects consistently produce the premium
>> Brunellos.

> Yeah, Karen!

>> According to the winemaker who talked to us, this is due to the variations
>> in soil type, sun exposure, available moisture, and microclimate in general.

> Winemakers know all kinds of s3krit stuff ...

Yeah, Tushar!

Karen

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> We will have a listparty.

Great. YOu bring the cold cuts.

alyce

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02003-03-11 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 4:17:13 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-11 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >> At 10:01 AM 3/11/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >> >Do you think the wine is smoother because he's an American?
> >>
> >> No.  It may be a slightly different variety of grape and because the grapes
> >> were grown in California.  Montalcino is surrounded by vineyards but only
> >> the grapes on one or two slopes/aspects consistently produce the premium
> >> Brunellos.
>
> > Yeah, Karen!
>
> >> According to the winemaker who talked to us, this is due to the variations
> >> in soil type, sun exposure, available moisture, and microclimate in general.
>
> > Winemakers know all kinds of s3krit stuff ...
>
> Yeah, Tushar!

Puhlease ... you did not know it about soil type and microclimate
in general. It's a good idea to choose whom you want to BS ...

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 2:31:57 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>>I'm just wondering. I have great memories of drinking sake in
>>Japan, but mostly not very refined stuff. Unfortunately, in this
>>country, you can only buy the 'special' or 'top grade' sake.

> Interesting.  For years, the situation with single-malt whiskies was the
> opposite---the really good stuff stayed in Scotland.

Oh, the best stuff probably stays in Japan. But I think that's a
different issue than the one I'm talking about. The grades don't
have anything to do with flavor.

Karen

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 6:22:52 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Puhlease ... you did not know it about soil type and microclimate
> in general.

Excuse me???? I lived in CA, the home of the microclimate. This
is a basic part of winemaking.

> It's a good idea to choose whom you want to BS ...

You're the only one who always falls for it.

Hm. Do you know the play "Pigman"? I think you should star.

Karen

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>I remember trying to tell you that you and Clyde weren't
>responsible for feeding hordes of hungry festers. That we
>were capable of foraging for ourselves -    --rashmi

O.k.   If that's how you want it.   But I was planning to make a couple of
cheesecakes and two apple pies.  Clyde was going to lay in some microbrews
and bake bread.  He was even thinking of creating a new <dish>.


    --bonniev

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In a message dated 3/11/2003 2:25:59 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:

<< > I do know it and I'm against declawing.  I just dislike any argument
that starts with some
> version of "if God had intended..."
>
> BrP
 >>

You and me both. Theo

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In a message dated 3/11/2003 2:33:45 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:

<< > Actually, I use them all the time. But last time I checked, my
> cat doesn't thread a needle or pick up thinks with her paws.
 >>

Cats haven't learned how to sew, so don't compare illogical items. So no AHA
at all here. Theo

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> class for the day.  A long day it was.  I *really* wanted to be at the
> Snowbash... $#!+...   Please accept my apologies, Adam...

No apologies needed. See you at SB7 in 2004.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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02003-03-11 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 6:22:52 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Puhlease ... you did not know it about soil type and microclimate
> > in general.
>
> Excuse me???? I lived in CA, the home of the microclimate. This
> is a basic part of winemaking.

Oh ... maybe you did know it then.

Still, it's different when a wineMAKER says it.

> > It's a good idea to choose whom you want to BS ...
>
> You're the only one who always falls for it.

You would now all about that ...

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In a message dated 3/11/2003 4:42:56 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< And she did the kneading thing in my skin when I was petting her
once.
 >>

And I suppose that felt good? I've got a scratch pad for mine that she uses a
lot; it can be found in large department stores like K-Mart. I found mine at
Safeway. Theo

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 7:16:46 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:
> In a message dated 3/11/2003 4:42:56 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

> << And she did the kneading thing in my skin when I was petting her
> once.
>  >>

> And I suppose that felt good?

Claws in skin? No, it didn't.

> I've got a scratch pad for mine that she uses a lot; it can be
> found in large department stores like K-Mart. I found mine at
> Safeway.

I send mine outside.

Karen

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At 09:56 PM 3/11/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
 >Hey Tushar, someone proposed that the next event be held in
>Chicago - to invoke the infamous Words-L Host Curse ...

Someone???   I thought it was bloody unanimous.

cwv

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At 07:35 PM 3/11/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>I remember trying to tell you that you and Clyde weren't
>>responsible for feeding hordes of hungry festers. That we
>>were capable of foraging for ourselves -    --rashmi
>
>O.k.   If that's how you want it.   But I was planning to make a couple of
>cheesecakes and two apple pies.  Clyde was going to lay in some microbrews
>and bake bread.  He was even thinking of creating a new <dish>.

Well, not exactly a new dish.  Anyhow, one way or the other, there will be
things here to replenish the body and spirit---and for those who believe
that way, probably to keep body and soul together.

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In a message dated 3/11/2003 6:20:41 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< I send mine outside.

Karen
 >>

You're not making any sense. Cats need to scratch whether they're in or out,
and declawing them is cruel IMO. Theo

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 7:34:05 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:
> In a message dated 3/11/2003 6:20:41 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> << I send mine outside.

> Karen
>  >>

> You're not making any sense.

Moi?!

> Cats need to scratch whether they're in or out,
> and declawing them is cruel IMO. Theo

Well, that's good to know.

Karen

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>When we got hubby's aunt's cat, she was already declawed.
>It was great.  If I ever get another cat, it would be
>declawed.  Sooooo much less hassle.  She was as well
>adjusted as any other cat I've ever had.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

We had our first two cats declawed.  I thought they were well
adjusted.  One of them could even climb trees with her back claws.   But
the three we have now all have their claws.  We got sentimental in our old age.


    --bonniev

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When we got hubby's aunt's cat, she was already declawed.
It was great.  If I ever get another cat, it would be
declawed.  Sooooo much less hassle.  She was as well
adjusted as any other cat I've ever had. I don't think it's
that much different than spay/neuter (which I don't do
anymore because I think it has lasting health effects).

Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 7:34:05 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
>>In a message dated 3/11/2003 6:20:41 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>><< I send mine outside.
>>
>
>>Karen
>> >>
>>
>
>>You're not making any sense.
>>
>
> Moi?!
>
>
>>Cats need to scratch whether they're in or out,
>>and declawing them is cruel IMO. Theo
>>
>
> Well, that's good to know.
>
> Karen
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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In a message dated 03/11/2003 9:17:38 AM Central Standard Time,
rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:

<<
If you can't deal with a cat the way God made
it, you have no business owning a cat.

>>

I am in favor of spaying/neutering cats older than
6 months.

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 03/11/2003 9:35:06 AM Central Standard Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
Why? Isn't it altering them for your convenience?

>>

That's not the only reason.  Before we got Tarot neutered
he would beat on the door trying to get out.  Afterwards,
he was much more peaceful.  And Sweetie went into heat
just after she was 6 months old; that's too much for a baby
to put up with.

Evelyn Duncan
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I went for a walk, listening to Bill Bryson's "A Walk in the
Woods". This is a truly funny book, at least the part I listened
to tonight. I really do like listening to books read by their
authors.

And when I came home, I found a raccoon either dead or sleeping
on my lawn. This is NOT good. (I am a city girl, but I still
don't think a raccoon would choose to sleep under a streetlight.)

Karen

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In a message dated 03/11/2003 8:51:38 AM Central Standard Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
Why do you oppose all declawing?

>>

It hurts the cat; not only the claws are removed, but the toes
upto the first joint.

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 03/11/2003 11:30:56 AM Central Standard Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
But last time I checked, my
cat doesn't thread a needle or pick up thinks with her paws.


>>

Sweetie picks up things with her paws.  We have a game in
which she's in a drawer with her jingle balls; she will pick up
a ball with a paw and toss the ball out of the drawer.  I, who
feel as if I'm the ball guy at Wimbledon, fetch the ball and
toss it back to her.

Evelyn Duncan
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> > If I hadn't had a lunch date w/ BrPaul to lighten my day, I'da called it a
> > draw and gone back to bed.
>
> Well, lunch with Paul would brighten MY day, I'll tell you
> what...
>
> You'll have to stand in for him in three weeks!:)
>

that's a deal!
clo

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On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, bonniev wrote:

> >I remember trying to tell you that you and Clyde weren't
> >responsible for feeding hordes of hungry festers. That we
> >were capable of foraging for ourselves -    --rashmi
>
> O.k.   If that's how you want it.   But I was planning to make a couple of
> cheesecakes and two apple pies.  Clyde was going to lay in some microbrews
> and bake bread.  He was even thinking of creating a new <dish>.
>

Rashmi,
don't discourage her now!
clo

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02003-03-11 | Gerald Little Milton Bostock <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> Tushar:
> > That's impossible. It doesn't happen.
>
> Nonsense.
>
> Run where the brave dare not go.
> March into hell for that heavenly cause.
>
> The world will be a better place for it.

No ... really ... ? The suburb people have infiltrated?

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In a message dated 03/11/2003 6:22:52 PM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<<
Great. YOu bring the cold cuts.


>>

I'd like to.  April 4th is also Sweetie's birthday and my nephew
Henry's birthday.

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 3/11/2003 7:20:07 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

<< I am in favor of spaying/neutering cats >>

So am I, but that has nothing to do with declawing them.
Theo

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 8:50:12 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Sweetie picks up things with her paws.  We have a game in
> which she's in a drawer with her jingle balls; she will pick up
> a ball with a paw and toss the ball out of the drawer.  I, who
> feel as if I'm the ball guy at Wimbledon, fetch the ball and
> toss it back to her.

I used to play hockey with a roommate's cat a long time ago. But
I've never seen this cat use her paws. She doesn't play with
anything.

Karen

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In a message dated 3/11/2003 7:50:45 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

<< Sweetie picks up things with her paws.  We have a game in
which she's in a drawer with her jingle balls; she will pick up
a ball with a paw and toss the ball out of the drawer.  I, who
feel as if I'm the ball guy at Wimbledon, fetch the ball and
toss it back to her. >>

And it proves what? Inquiring minds want to know Theo

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Greetings from Starkville.  Because I ended up making the opposite loop
-- going east when I had planned to go west, I realized around noon
today that the logical thing to do was to spend tonight in Starkville
and go west tomorrow.  My house seems very strange and lonely without
Spencer, though.  He doesn't know I'm home tonight.  Actually, it would
be fun to stay here and cultivate my garden, but I know that it's easier
to go on and travel now while Spencer is in Furrbabies.  So I'm heading
out tomorrow morning to go south and west.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Tushar:
> That's impossible. It doesn't happen.

Nonsense.

Run where the brave dare not go.
March into hell for that heavenly cause.

The world will be a better place for it.

--
Richard          as for main(), see Is 55:11

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Has been pronounced dead by my housemate, two neighbors, and two
dogs. I'm going to call Animal Control tomorrow.

Karen

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Karen Kay writes,

>Has been pronounced dead by my housemate, two neighbors, and two
>dogs. I'm going to call Animal Control tomorrow.

A strong plastic bag or two and a trash can won't do it?

Pete

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 9:49:38 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Karen Kay writes,
>>Has been pronounced dead by my housemate, two neighbors, and two
>>dogs. I'm going to call Animal Control tomorrow.

> A strong plastic bag or two and a trash can won't do it?

Well, tomorrow *is* trash day. But it's pretty big. And it's been
there for a while. I'm not enthusiastic about the prospect, but I
guess I'll try.

Karen

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On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:06:20 -0500, bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> wrote:

>>And aren't we supposed to show some sensibility taking ftf conversations
>>among a select group of people onto the list? (Must I tell you a thousand
>>times?!)      --Marie
>
>Says she who just mentioned squatting.  And, anyway, who gives a shit
>whether or not Neal's exwife was pleasant at Wordstock.  She's not even a
>wordsler.  And neither is Neal anymore.

Sez who?

Or do you discuss on the list every failed-years-ago marriage you hear about?


FTR, at the time of Wordstock...  Oh hell, forget it.  You don't really care
about it anyway.

neal, still a member of the curmudgeon club

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"On a Small Bridge in Iraq" is an evocative travelogue by Japanese writer
Natsuki Ikezawa, recounting what he experienced during his travels in Iraq
in late 2002.  39 pages with photos by Seiichi Motohashi, English
translation by Alfred Birnbaum.  Free e-book in PDF format.  Highly
recommended.

english: <http://www.cafeimpala.com/downloadbookE.html>
française: <http://www.impala.jp/iraq/>

Pete

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= >
= > I'm guessing there are pros and cons to going straight up the
= > lake, say versus some less urban route.
=
= Brokenly I reply: thank you

No, that part comes after the walking.

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ML is not pictured in the Wordstock group photo, but she's in the Slugfest one.

neal

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 03/11/2003 9:35:06 AM Central Standard Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>
> <<
> Why? Isn't it altering them for your convenience?
>
>
>
> That's not the only reason.  Before we got Tarot neutered
> he would beat on the door trying to get out.  Afterwards,
> he was much more peaceful.  And Sweetie went into heat
> just after she was 6 months old; that's too much for a baby
> to put up with.


        Funny, that's what nature intended.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 1:29:40 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > Well, I am of course a manic bracketteer.)
>
> Better than being a manic mouseketeer, I think.:)

I hoped by today somebody has continued the pun. For though I browsed
dictionaries and all, I wasn't able to find or make up new words to
answer and go on with it.

Kristin, the uncreative

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

>  Cats need to scratch whether they're in or out,

I'm surprised none has mentioned the scratching-posts made and put up at home
for cats. Of course, not all cats can be trained very well to use them instead
of sofas and carpets, but I've read of such artificial trees and seen them in
catalogues as well.

For an out-door cat I see little purpose for such a tree indoors, but otherwise
it is worth trying, I guess, especially when a cat is trained since young. Btw,
it was in this thread where I heard about declawing, for the very first time.

Kristin

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> "On a Small Bridge in Iraq" is an evocative travelogue by Japanese
writer
> Natsuki Ikezawa, recounting what he experienced during his travels in
Iraq
> in late 2002.  39 pages with photos by Seiichi Motohashi, English
> translation by Alfred Birnbaum.  Free e-book in PDF format.  Highly
> recommended.
>
> english: <http://www.cafeimpala.com/downloadbookE.html>
> française: <http://www.impala.jp/iraq/>
>
> Pete

I was listening to Senator Dianne Feinstein on
TV the other night.  She seemed well read on
the subject of Iraq and she recommended
"The Reckoning" by Sandra MacKey.

                    - D. M.

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Karen, I am sorry I got booted off computer by son before reading this
last night. Hope you stuck to your guns and called Animal Control. Also
hope yr cat has rabies shots. What is the rabies incidence in Austin now?
There was an outbreak when I was there, but I'm well aware that's outdated
info now....
clo


On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 9:49:38 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> > Karen Kay writes,
> >>Has been pronounced dead by my housemate, two neighbors, and two
> >>dogs. I'm going to call Animal Control tomorrow.
>
> > A strong plastic bag or two and a trash can won't do it?
>
> Well, tomorrow *is* trash day. But it's pretty big. And it's been
> there for a while. I'm not enthusiastic about the prospect, but I
> guess I'll try.
>
> Karen
>

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Ouch, busted! This is exactly why history's best *not* repeated...
clo

On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Neal Traven wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:06:20 -0500, bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> wrote:
>
> >>And aren't we supposed to show some sensibility taking ftf conversations
> >>among a select group of people onto the list? (Must I tell you a thousand
> >>times?!)      --Marie
> >
> >Says she who just mentioned squatting.  And, anyway, who gives a shit
> >whether or not Neal's exwife was pleasant at Wordstock.  She's not even a
> >wordsler.  And neither is Neal anymore.
>
> Sez who?
>
> Or do you discuss on the list every failed-years-ago marriage you hear about?

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
> >
> And it proves what? Inquiring minds want to know Theo

Proves it is fun to play with cats and that cats can manipulate willing
humans.

alyce

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>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> > He doesn't. Paul giggles. Karen's laugh is much <bigger>.
>
>I giggle, too.
>
>I think Paul must have been <holding back> for some reason. I
>have heard him laugh <big>.
>
>But I'm still delighted to think that Mine Is Bigger Than His.:)

His is Cuter, though.

Marie

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At 09:46 PM 3/11/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Has been pronounced dead by my housemate, two neighbors, and two
>dogs.

It's just stunned.

monty

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At 09:33 PM 3/11/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:

>I used to play hockey with a roommate's cat a long time ago. But
>I've never seen this cat use her paws. She doesn't play with
>anything.

It is possible that being an outdoor cat pretty much on her own, she has
lost much of the ability or inclination to play.  If the two of you
continue to build on the relationship, she may start feeling secure enough
to play.

cwv

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On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> >
> > We will have a listparty.
>
> Great. YOu bring the cold cuts.
>
> alyce
>
I'll bring a famous salad.
clo

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17:38 10.03.2003 -0500 skrev bonniev:
>>How old would that make Lisa?
>
>I would guess it would make her over 106.
>
>>By the way, I told the truth on the test
>>in regard to alcohol and then later went
>>back and lied and it only made a difference
>>of a year or two.  I'm still set to make
>>93 or 94.  So they say.  Ha.
>>               - D. M.
>
>They have me down for 94.6.  So now I have another death date to think
>about.  You should go back and give all the "right" answers and see what
>you get.

I am set for 85.9

Espen

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 7:15:20 AM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> It is possible that being an outdoor cat pretty much on her own, she has
> lost much of the ability or inclination to play.  If the two of you
> continue to build on the relationship, she may start feeling secure enough
> to play.

Could be. But I actually think she feels pretty secure.

This cat is far more of a lap-cat than I ever dreamed possible
for a cat who has been outdoors for so long. I didn't talk to her
much yesterday, and when I opened the door to let her in for a
pet last night, she went crazy, wanting to be petted everywhere.
I was too tired to <perform>, so she just lay on my stomach for a
while, and was unhappy when I booted her. But before that, I
tried to play with her, and she wasn't having any. She doesn't
use her front paws, she bites anything that comes near her paws
that she doesn't want there.

Karen

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 7:13:20 AM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> At 09:46 PM 3/11/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Has been pronounced dead by my housemate, two neighbors, and two
>>dogs.

> It's just stunned.

This is, of course, what I thought at first.

Karen

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 7:13:27 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:
>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>> > He doesn't. Paul giggles. Karen's laugh is much <bigger>.
>>
>>I giggle, too.
>>
>>I think Paul must have been <holding back> for some reason. I
>>have heard him laugh <big>.
>>
>>But I'm still delighted to think that Mine Is Bigger Than His.:)

> His is Cuter, though.

Oh, twist the knife some more, Marie!

Karen

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 6:35:33 AM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> Karen, I am sorry I got booted off computer by son before reading this
> last night. Hope you stuck to your guns and called Animal Control.

Can you call them in the middle of the night? I was going to wait
till 8AM.

> Also hope yr cat has rabies shots.

Me, too.

> What is the rabies incidence in Austin now? There was an
> outbreak when I was there, but I'm well aware that's outdated
> info now....

It seems to always be a problem here.

Karen

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 6:07:09 AM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> I'm surprised none has mentioned the scratching-posts made and put up at home
> for cats. Of course, not all cats can be trained very well to use them instead
> of sofas and carpets, but I've read of such artificial trees and seen them in
> catalogues as well.

I can't imagine how people train their cats to do anything.

> Btw, it was in this thread where I heard about declawing, for
> the very first time.

Well, I'm sorry I brought it up.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > What is the rabies incidence in Austin now? There was an
> > outbreak when I was there, but I'm well aware that's outdated
> > info now....

We have almost no raccoons here now because rabies wiped them all out
about four years ago. I saw one as road kill on the way to Albany, which
is the first and only sign of them I've seen in years. We got wild
turkeys in exchange--the raccoons used to eat the turkey eggs, but no
more. Ergo: lots of turkeys.

alyce

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 8:02:34 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > What is the rabies incidence in Austin now? There was an
>> > outbreak when I was there, but I'm well aware that's outdated
>> > info now....

> We have almost no raccoons here now because rabies wiped them all out
> about four years ago. I saw one as road kill on the way to Albany, which
> is the first and only sign of them I've seen in years. We got wild
> turkeys in exchange--the raccoons used to eat the turkey eggs, but no
> more. Ergo: lots of turkeys.

I think wild turkeys are much nicer to have than raccoons. Far
less trouble.

Karen

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I just phoned the animal control people, and they said just put
it on the curb--which is more or less right where it is.

Karen

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> >Has been pronounced dead by my housemate, two neighbors, and two
> >dogs.
>
> It's just stunned.

    No, its pining for the fjords.

JMW

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 8:23:27 AM, John Williams wrote:
> "clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>> >Has been pronounced dead by my housemate, two neighbors, and two
>> >dogs.
>>
>> It's just stunned.

>     No, its pining for the fjords.

The 'M' is for obscure.

Karen

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 8:23:27 AM, John Williams wrote:

> >     No, its pining for the fjords.

It's bloody demised, I tell you.

alyce

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>
>Joe went on about his bidness, and Daddy and I resumed our wait.
>After a few minutes, he turned to me and said, "Son, does it not
>ever bother you that every bartender in town seems to know you?"
>
>The reply that I made, cunning as it was, is irrelevant.
>
>brad
>

Dad's say the damnest things. Pass the beer.



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This is for something that's supposed to be written at a fairly
low reading level. The sentence is "I uphold my solutions to
problems", but I want to use a more common word than 'uphold'.
Except I can't think of one. Help?

Karen

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At 08:03 AM 3/12/2003 -0600, Karen wrote:

>Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 8:02:34 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >> > What is the rabies incidence in Austin now? There was an
> >> > outbreak when I was there, but I'm well aware that's outdated
> >> > info now....
>
> > We have almost no raccoons here now because rabies wiped them all out
> > about four years ago. I saw one as road kill on the way to Albany, which
> > is the first and only sign of them I've seen in years. We got wild
> > turkeys in exchange--the raccoons used to eat the turkey eggs, but no
> > more. Ergo: lots of turkeys.
>
>I think wild turkeys are much nicer to have than raccoons. Far
>less trouble.

haven't seen what a flock of wild turkeys can do to traffic when they
decide to stand in the middle of a road, have ya?  ;->

from my livejournal, an entry on wild turkeys from early February, when I
was staying with a friend north of Boston:

the honking has started down on the street -- not the same bursts of noise
that indicate "you stupid ass, get out of my way," but a more rhythmic
honking, more contained and yet more hopeless -- so the wild turkeys must
be back in the middle of the road.

Yup. They're standing there at the moment, undoubtedly trying to decide
whether it's worth the effort to trudge up the icy driveway before
launching themselves into the air (flap-èd-a, flap-èd-a, flap-èd-a), as
they attempt to gain sufficient height to actually land on a tree limb and
settle in for the night.

The locals have apparently learned that the only way to cope with the
turkey crossings is just to keep right on going, so the honking also tends
to indicate a non-local encountering the flock ... the repeat visitors,
like me, can be amused by the ungainly trot (once the ornery things decide
to move), the unlikely nature of flight demonstrated daily, and the sport
of identifying which lumps in tree crotches are actually birds and which
are merely piles of twigs, snow, and other debris.

--Elaine

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 9:07:51 AM, Elaine M. Brennan wrote:

> haven't seen what a flock of wild turkeys can do to traffic when they
> decide to stand in the middle of a road, have ya?  ;->

Thanks for the lovely blog entry. No, I must admit that I
haven't.

In "A Walk in the Woods", Bryson mentions that bears use the
Appalachian Trail.

Karen

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= while, and was unhappy when I booted her. But before that, I
= tried to play with her, and she wasn't having any. She doesn't
= use her front paws, she bites anything that comes near her paws
= that she doesn't want there.
=
= Karen

May I recommend a string tied up into a ball/big knot at the end.
Murphy doesn't play much, but he almost always goes for this.
Especially if you pull it just out of sight.

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 9:15:20 AM, steph wrote:
> May I recommend a string tied up into a ball/big knot at the end.
> Murphy doesn't play much, but he almost always goes for this.
> Especially if you pull it just out of sight.

I'll try it.

With other cats, I've done the scratching-the-rug trick, making a
noise to attract their attention, and then they go after my hand
like a mouse. But this cat goes for my hand only to be petted. As
far as she's concerned, that's what god made hands for.

Karen

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Karen Kay:
= This is for something that's supposed to be written at a fairly
= low reading level. The sentence is "I uphold my solutions to
= problems", but I want to use a more common word than 'uphold'.
= Except I can't think of one. Help?
=
= Karen

WTF do you mean.

she of the low reading level

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 9:19:26 AM, steph wrote:

> Karen Kay:
> = This is for something that's supposed to be written at a fairly
> = low reading level. The sentence is "I uphold my solutions to
> = problems", but I want to use a more common word than 'uphold'.
> = Except I can't think of one. Help?
> =
> = Karen

> WTF do you mean.

> she of the low reading level

What do you mean? I don't think uphold is that common a word. I
looked in the thesaurus it said "support, bear, carry, hold,
sustain, shoulder; hold up, back up, bolster up, shore up". None
of those sound quite right to me. But 'back up, carry, hold' are
the level of word I'm looking for. 'sustain, shoulder, bolster
up, shore up, uphold' are less common words.

Karen

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At 09:59 AM 3/12/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 9:10:58 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > Dead animals, birds especially, actually frighten me. I cannot stand to
> > look at them and there's no way in hell I'd actually touch one.
>
>Why are you frightened of them? Disease?
>
>Karen

My fear isn't based on anything logical. I just get freaked out by dead
animals.

When I was a kid we always had a cat or two around as did my grandparents.
I also played outside by myself a lot. It was no uncommon for my,
basketball, tennis ball, or some such thing, to roll under bushes and
assorted other garden cover. Every now and then, I'd rush to get my ball
and find a decaying carcass. It scared the ever loving shit outta me.

There was also an underpass I had to walk/ride my bike under to get to the
good park about a mile from my house. A day didn't go by without there
being a squashed up pigeon under there. My toes would curl, my heart would
race and I'd try to get through there as fast as I could. And god forbid a
live pigeon take flight while I was under there, it was enough to send me
into a panic.

Our cats were also known to leave dead rodents/birds on the front porch for
us. There's something about seeing a slightly mangled (sometimes very
mangled) bird/mouse that would make my stomach flip, body shudder and heart
race.

I never got over this. A neighborhood cat left some mouse entrails for tina
and I one day last summer. I couldn't go up the steps until a neighbor
removed the mess. A couple years ago I stepped on the wing of a dead bird
in Harvard Square and went into a walking convulsion in front of some
friends and of course all the foot/car traffic jamming the square.

There you have it, more than you ever wanted to know about my fear of birds
and dead animals of any kind.

lisa

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Karen Kay:
= Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 9:19:26 AM, steph wrote:
=
= > Karen Kay:
= > = This is for something that's supposed to be written at a fairly
= > = low reading level. The sentence is "I uphold my solutions to
= > = problems", but I want to use a more common word than 'uphold'.
= > = Except I can't think of one. Help?
= > =
= > = Karen
=
= > WTF do you mean.
=
= > she of the low reading level
=
= What do you mean? I don't think uphold is that common a word. I
= looked in the thesaurus it said "support, bear, carry, hold,
= sustain, shoulder; hold up, back up, bolster up, shore up". None
= of those sound quite right to me. But 'back up, carry, hold' are
= the level of word I'm looking for. 'sustain, shoulder, bolster
= up, shore up, uphold' are less common words.
=
= Karen

I mean, I don't understand the sentence "I uphold my solutions to
problems".  Ah.  Do you mean, "I stand behind my solutions to
problems"?  The problem is, I don't know what that means either,
but I kind of get it a little better.  Like "I'm confident of my
solutions to problems".

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I maintain my solutions to problems.    I stand by my solutions.


> > Karen Kay:
> > = This is for something that's supposed to be written at a fairly
> > = low reading level. The sentence is "I uphold my solutions to
> > = problems", but I want to use a more common word than 'uphold'.
> > = Except I can't think of one. Help?
> > =
> > = Karen
>
> > WTF do you mean.
>
> > she of the low reading level
>
>What do you mean? I don't think uphold is that common a word. I
>looked in the thesaurus it said "support, bear, carry, hold,
>sustain, shoulder; hold up, back up, bolster up, shore up". None
>of those sound quite right to me. But 'back up, carry, hold' are
>the level of word I'm looking for. 'sustain, shoulder, bolster
>up, shore up, uphold' are less common words.
>
>Karen

    --bonniev

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>In "A Walk in the Woods", Bryson mentions that bears use the
>Appalachian Trail.      --Karen

I loved the section of the book on hiking in the Sucky South.  He abandoned
that and headed further north.


    --bonniev

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At 09:13 AM 3/12/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:

>In "A Walk in the Woods", Bryson mentions that bears use the
>Appalachian Trail.

...and when the blackberries are ripe, they can get damned possessive about it.

On the drive to Snowbash last weekend we noticed (hard not to) two or three
dead skunks.  It must be approaching spring if they are beginning to move
around.

cwv

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 9:40:26 AM, steph wrote:
> I mean, I don't understand the sentence "I uphold my solutions to
> problems".  Ah.  Do you mean, "I stand behind my solutions to
> problems"?  The problem is, I don't know what that means either,
> but I kind of get it a little better.  Like "I'm confident of my
> solutions to problems".

Actually... It's not my sentence, but I understood it the same
way you did. It's not necessarily a matter of confidence, but the
willingness to commit to a solution and follow through. (Which
can sometimes be a problem--this can demonstrate inflexibility.)

Thanks to you and Bonnie for helping me clarify.

Karen

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 9:10:58 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> I wouldn't try anything involving an animal corpse. I'd definitely call
> Animal Control.

That's what I ended up doing.

> Dead animals, birds especially, actually frighten me. I cannot stand to
> look at them and there's no way in hell I'd actually touch one.

Why are you frightened of them? Disease?

Karen

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 9:53:13 AM, bonniev wrote:
>>In "A Walk in the Woods", Bryson mentions that bears use the
>>Appalachian Trail.      --Karen

> I loved the section of the book on hiking in the Sucky South.  He abandoned
> that and headed further north.

BONNIE! I'm not that far yet. He's on the plane to Georgia with
his fabulous hiking companion.

Karen

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 9:52:00 AM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> I believe that steph is having the same problem that I have---without
> additional context, it is difficult to know <what> the writer intends, so
> it is difficult to suggest an adequate alternative.

And the same problem I am having, which is why I asked for
help!:) There is no other context. (This is part of a conflict
resolution assessment tool.)

Karen

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> > I loved the section of the book on hiking in the Sucky South.  He abandoned
> > that and headed further north.
>
>BONNIE! I'm not that far yet. He's on the plane to Georgia with
>his fabulous hiking companion.        --Karen

O.k.  Then I won't tell you the part about when he gets to Maine.


    --bonniev

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 10:07:26 AM, bonniev wrote:
>> > I loved the section of the book on hiking in the Sucky South.  He abandoned
>> > that and headed further north.
>>
>>BONNIE! I'm not that far yet. He's on the plane to Georgia with
>>his fabulous hiking companion.        --Karen

> O.k.  Then I won't tell you the part about when he gets to Maine.

Thank you. We can talk about when I get there.

Karen

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At 09:34 AM 3/12/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>What do you mean? I don't think uphold is that common a word. I
>looked in the thesaurus it said "support, bear, carry, hold,
>sustain, shoulder; hold up, back up, bolster up, shore up". None
>of those sound quite right to me. But 'back up, carry, hold' are
>the level of word I'm looking for. 'sustain, shoulder, bolster
>up, shore up, uphold' are less common words.

I believe that steph is having the same problem that I have---without
additional context, it is difficult to know <what> the writer intends, so
it is difficult to suggest an adequate alternative.

cwv

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At 10:04 PM 3/11/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 9:49:38 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> > Karen Kay writes,
> >>Has been pronounced dead by my housemate, two neighbors, and two
> >>dogs. I'm going to call Animal Control tomorrow.
>
> > A strong plastic bag or two and a trash can won't do it?
>
>Well, tomorrow *is* trash day. But it's pretty big. And it's been
>there for a while. I'm not enthusiastic about the prospect, but I
>guess I'll try.
>
>Karen

I wouldn't try anything involving an animal corpse. I'd definitely call
Animal Control.

Dead animals, birds especially, actually frighten me. I cannot stand to
look at them and there's no way in hell I'd actually touch one.

Also, animal control may be interested to see if the creature had rabies.

lisa

lisa

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 10:29:37 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> steph wrote:
>> WTF do you mean.
>>
>> she of the low reading level

> And I am another. Thanks, Steph, for owning up, I was too embarrassed.

Oh, you should never be when I ask questions like this. The fact
that you, a reasonably articulate person, doesn't understand the
sentence, is valuable information to me in and of itself.

> The sentence means nothing to me. You don't need another word, you need
> another sentence. This is one of the reasons I often complain about
> technical writers. I know each word, but not the way they're strung
> together.

This isn't a technical document. It's in company with other
statements like "I put forward a compromise position to try to
break deadlocks". You assign these number values representing
Always, Often, Not very often, etc.

Karen

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 10:40:59 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
> Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 10:31:45 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
>> Karen Kay wrote:'uphold'.
>>>
>>> What do you mean? I don't think uphold is that common a word.
>> ]
>> The problem is not with "uphold." What does the sentence mean?

> It's an expression of a value.

Hahaha. Talk about meaningless sentences!:)

Karen

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All righty wordsler buddies, it's time for me to fly.

Yes, sunny, beautiful, no snow, no sleet, no temps below 30, Florida.

This is the first time had completely beaten me up. I cannot wait to feel
warmth.

Upon my return there's no way I'll be able to wade through all the message
you'll have left. I know I won't miss anything though as whatever is
discuss is sure to be repeated.

Until Monday, be well...

lisa

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 10:22:19 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> There you have it, more than you ever wanted to know about my fear of birds
> and dead animals of any kind.

Thank you. I don't have that sort of fear, but I also haven't had
that much contact with dead animals.

Karen

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steph wrote:
> WTF do you mean.
>
> she of the low reading level

And I am another. Thanks, Steph, for owning up, I was too embarrassed.

The sentence means nothing to me. You don't need another word, you need
another sentence. This is one of the reasons I often complain about
technical writers. I know each word, but not the way they're strung
together.

alyce

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 10:31:45 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:'uphold'.
>>
>> What do you mean? I don't think uphold is that common a word.
> ]
> The problem is not with "uphold." What does the sentence mean?

It's an expression of a value.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:'uphold'.
>
> What do you mean? I don't think uphold is that common a word.
]
The problem is not with "uphold." What does the sentence mean?

alyce

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Karen:
> This isn't a technical document. It's in company with other
> statements like "I put forward a compromise position to try to

O.K., then you don't need a new sentence, you
need a whole 'nother set of statements.

Yeesh.  I deal with forms like this every day.

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At 11:18 AM 3/12/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 11:15:20 AM, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:
> > Karen:
> >> This isn't a technical document. It's in company with other
> >> statements like "I put forward a compromise position to try to
>
> > O.K., then you don't need a new sentence, you
> > need a whole 'nother set of statements.
>
> > Yeesh.  I deal with forms like this every day.
>
>Then maybe you need them? I don't have the time to fuck around
>with this beyond a little rewording.
>
>Karen

Such language. I am fucking offended.


alec

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Doris Markland writes,

>She seemed well read on the subject of Iraq and she recommended "The
>Reckoning" by Sandra MacKey.

Thanks, Doris.

Pete

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 11:15:20 AM, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:
> Karen:
>> This isn't a technical document. It's in company with other
>> statements like "I put forward a compromise position to try to

> O.K., then you don't need a new sentence, you
> need a whole 'nother set of statements.

> Yeesh.  I deal with forms like this every day.

Then maybe you need them? I don't have the time to fuck around
with this beyond a little rewording.

Karen

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> I don't have the time to fuck around
> with this beyond a little rewording.

Fine, then, I *don't* feel your pain.

So just shrug, leave it the way it is, and
let your clients deal with the shitty data
they get from their suckass form.

But I guess they didn't hire you to do that.

My old boss was really good at refining
low-grade ore like this.

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Please visit http://www.globalvigil.org and plan a candlelight vigil for
peace in your area on Sunday, March 16 at 7 pm.  MoveOn.org and the Win
Without War coalition, together with Archbishop Desmond Tutu and many
faith-based organizations, are calling this vigil.

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 11:50:21 AM, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:
> So just shrug, leave it the way it is, and
> let your clients deal with the shitty data
> they get from their suckass form.

I'm trying to improve it as much as I can.

> But I guess they didn't hire you to do that.

It's a pre-assessment; it's not going to determine whether there
is world peace or not.

> My old boss was really good at refining
> low-grade ore like this.

What's his phone number?

(Just kidding.)

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
 The sentence is "I uphold my solutions to
> problems", but I want to use a more common word than 'uphold'.
> Except I can't think of one. Help?


OK, after pondering this for 3-4 hours, I have decided that it is meant
to say, "I stand by my solutions to problems."

alyce

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 12:18:26 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>  The sentence is "I uphold my solutions to
>> problems", but I want to use a more common word than 'uphold'.
>> Except I can't think of one. Help?


> OK, after pondering this for 3-4 hours, I have decided that it is meant
> to say, "I stand by my solutions to problems."

That's what Bonnie and Stevie said--and what I went with.

I don't think it's fair to say that's what the author meant,
though.

Karen

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Please visit http://www.globalvigil.org

There may be one planned in your area already. If you go to the URL, and
put in your zip code, it will tell you what is going on within 10 miles.
I was surprised and pleased to see that there will be two right near
here, although  I won't be able to go because they both entail longish
walks after parking.

alyce

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02003-03-12 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> Ouch, busted! This is exactly why history's best *not* repeated...

Ha ha, talk about the wrong take on things ... Bonnie inadvertantly
said something "sensitive" and got "busted" ... ha ha ha ha

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02003-03-12 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> = >
> = > I'm guessing there are pros and cons to going straight up the
> = > lake, say versus some less urban route.
> =
> = Brokenly I reply: thank you
>
> No, that part comes after the walking.

That was funnier than the bald joke!

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A mistake neither you nor I are likely to be guilty of, sadly....
clo

Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-12 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > Ouch, busted! This is exactly why history's best *not* repeated...
>
> Ha ha, talk about the wrong take on things ... Bonnie inadvertantly
> said something "sensitive" and got "busted" ... ha ha ha ha

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Hm. Can't, in my neighborhood, 'cause I will be in Providence.
Anyone know the area there? Maybe there's one I can join as
an interloper.
clo

alyce cresap wrote:

> Please visit http://www.globalvigil.org and plan a candlelight vigil for
> peace in your area on Sunday, March 16 at 7 pm.  MoveOn.org and the Win
> Without War coalition, together with Archbishop Desmond Tutu and many
> faith-based organizations, are calling this vigil.
>
> alyce

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My library email is being like the Roach Motel today (messages check in but they don't check out).  It's maddening hearing the conversation without being able to respond!!!


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Maybe you are right.

02003-03-12 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> A mistake neither you nor I are likely to be guilty of, sadly....
> clo
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> Tushar Samant wrote:
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> > 02003-03-12 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > > Ouch, busted! This is exactly why history's best *not* repeated...
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> > Ha ha, talk about the wrong take on things ... Bonnie inadvertantly
> > said something "sensitive" and got "busted" ... ha ha ha ha

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 6:51:03 AM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< > It's just stunned.

This is, of course, what I thought at first.

Karen
 >>

Can't you tell when an animal is dead? It's not that hard. Theo

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 1:33:35 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/12/2003 6:51:03 AM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

> << > It's just stunned.

> This is, of course, what I thought at first.

> Karen
>  >>

> Can't you tell when an animal is dead? It's not that hard. Theo

Evidently, no, I can't tell, Theo. How do you tell? I might have
been able to tell in the light, but this was about 10pm.

Karen

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>>Can't you tell when an animal is dead? It's not that hard. Theo
>Evidently, no, I can't tell, Theo. How do you tell?

...and anyway, doesn't the legal definition
of "death" vary from state to state?

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Karen:
> It's a pre-assessment

What does this mean? (I am not being a wiseass.)

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 1:45:47 PM, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:
> Karen:
>> It's a pre-assessment

> What does this mean? (I am not being a wiseass.)

It helps them figure out where they are before they do the
training course. Helps them figure out what to focus on during
training.

Karen

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At 01:42 PM 3/12/2003 -0600, Gerald \"Little Milton\" Bostock wrote:

>--
>             what the hell is caller ID?

It is a more primitive level than recipient EGO

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 9:31:57 AM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< > What do you mean? I don't think uphold is that common a word.
]
The problem is not with "uphold." What does the sentence mean?

alyce
 >>

What she said. Theo

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Karen:
>It helps them figure out where they are
>before they do the training course.

Got it.  The "pre" refers to the training
course, not the assessment.

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 2:13:08 PM, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:
> Karen:
>>It helps them figure out where they are
>>before they do the training course.

> Got it.  The "pre" refers to the training
> course, not the assessment.

Argh! Yes.

Sorry, I'm so frazzled today I can't figure out if I used the
term wrong or if it's ambiguous. I think I've heard
pre-assessment and post-assessment. But you're right, the pre- or
post- is wrt the training in each case. Having it refer to the
assessment wouldn't make any sense, would it?

Oh, dear. I have about 200 pages of The Electric Kool-Aid Acid
Test to finish reading before 7pm. I guess that I'm probably in
the right frame of mind for it.

Karen

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 12:39:42 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< Evidently, no, I can't tell, Theo. How do you tell? I might have
been able to tell in the light, but this was about 10pm.
 >>

Jeez, it's no wonder that Americans are considered ignorant by the rest of
the world.
For one thing. It'll feel cold and stiff to the touch. If you're worried it
has rabies, put on a pair of gloves if you have them. If not, cover your hand
with a plastic bag.
On another subject, what reason do we have to drop this monster bomb on Iraq?
I'm thoroughly disgusted with all that's going on these days. We have no
proof that any terrorists came from Iraq afaik. And I don't blame other
countries not wanting to get involved in this. There you have my opinion on
this whole asinine affair. Theo

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:13:02 -0500
From: Terry Wild <twild@uri.edu>
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Subject: Re: The Raccoon
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--On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 10:10 AM -0500 lisa alfieri
<alfieri@ATTBI.COM> wrote:

> Also, animal control may be interested to see if the creature had rabies.
>
> lisa


Around here, they only test animals if they are known to have come in
direct contact with pets or humans, and I'm not all that sure about the
pets part.

Terry

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 3:13:02 PM, Terry Wild wrote:
> Around here, they only test animals if they are known to have come in
> direct contact with pets or humans, and I'm not all that sure about the
> pets part.

I'm sure some stray came close enough to touch it. There was a
little poodle out there last night when my housemate and I were
looking at it, and it was straining on the leash to get at it.

Karen

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> Jeez, it's no wonder that Americans are considered ignorant by the rest of
> the world.

Once again, dear Theo, you have endeared yourself to your friends. Why
do you do this?

> For one thing. It'll feel cold and stiff to the touch. If you're worried it
> has rabies, put on a pair of gloves if you have them. If not, cover your hand
> with a plastic bag.

So you would approach an animal in the dark and touch it, with or
without gloves or a plastic bag? That is plain stupid, and dangerous.
What if it were injured and attacked right through the glove or plastic
bag?

No wonder some furriners are considered to be ignorant.

alyce

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 2:37:50 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:
> In a message dated 3/12/2003 12:39:42 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> << Evidently, no, I can't tell, Theo. How do you tell? I might have
> been able to tell in the light, but this was about 10pm.
>  >>

> Jeez, it's no wonder that Americans are considered ignorant by the rest of
> the world.

Uh-huh.

> For one thing. It'll feel cold and stiff to the touch. If you're worried it
> has rabies, put on a pair of gloves if you have them. If not, cover your hand
> with a plastic bag.

Jeeze, Theo, anyone can tell by touching it. I thought you were
going to tell me something sensible.

There's no way I'm going to go up to a wild animal in the middle
of the night and touch it. If it's not dead, it would attack me,
and I don't have health insurance to help me get through whatever
it gives me. If it's dead, that's just gross. I think your advice
to touch it is crazy.

Karen

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:24:17 -0500
From: Terry Wild <twild@uri.edu>
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--On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 10:00 AM -0600 Karen Kay
<Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

> BONNIE! I'm not that far yet. He's on the plane to Georgia with
> his fabulous hiking companion.
>
> Karen

You are in for a treat.  I laughed heartily at the FHC's choice of packing
items.  His adventures are a riot.

Terry

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 3:24:17 PM, Terry Wild wrote:

> --On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 10:00 AM -0600 Karen Kay
> <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>> BONNIE! I'm not that far yet. He's on the plane to Georgia with
>> his fabulous hiking companion.
>>
>> Karen

> You are in for a treat.  I laughed heartily at the FHC's choice of packing
> items.  His adventures are a riot.

I loved the Laura Ashley bag--he just doesn't sound like a Laura
Ashley guy.

Karen

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:31:56 -0500
From: Terry Wild <twild@uri.edu>
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--On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 1:39 PM -0600 Karen Kay
<Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>
> Evidently, no, I can't tell, Theo. How do you tell? I might have
> been able to tell in the light, but this was about 10pm.
>
> Karen

A long stick, give it a poke.  If it just flops, it's dead.  If unsure,
give it a couple of pokes.  A broomhandle will do.

Terry

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 1:48:47 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< If it's dead, that's just gross. I think your advice
to touch it is crazy.
 >>

If it hasn't moved in several days,(that's how long you've been asking us
about it), wouldn't logic dictate that's been dead for that long? But of
course *I* don't know anything. Afterall I wasn't born in this biggest,
greatest, most powerful country in the world. I'm sick and tired hearing
about all this stupidity, and I'm beginning to hope that we WILL attack Iraq,
and that we get back what we deserve. My life is worthless the way it is now,
anyway, so nothing is lost afaic. There's nothing gross about a dead body
because that's how nature intended it. If it's sick, or just plain too old, a
body dies. Got anymore stupid remarks to make? Theo

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:40:33 -0500
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--On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 1:40 PM -0500 Carolyn Ostrander
<clostran@SYR.EDU> wrote:

> Hm. Can't, in my neighborhood, 'cause I will be in Providence.
> Anyone know the area there? Maybe there's one I can join as
> an interloper.
> clo
>

Providence as in RI?  How long will you be around?

Terry

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:46:39 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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        Nonsequitor of the week!

Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/12/2003 12:39:42 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>
> << Evidently, no, I can't tell, Theo. How do you tell? I might have
> been able to tell in the light, but this was about 10pm.
>  >>
>
> Jeez, it's no wonder that Americans are considered ignorant by the rest of
> the world.
> For one thing. It'll feel cold and stiff to the touch. If you're worried it
> has rabies, put on a pair of gloves if you have them. If not, cover your hand
> with a plastic bag.
> On another subject, what reason do we have to drop this monster bomb on Iraq?
> I'm thoroughly disgusted with all that's going on these days. We have no
> proof that any terrorists came from Iraq afaik. And I don't blame other
> countries not wanting to get involved in this. There you have my opinion on
> this whole asinine affair. Theo
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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>A long stick, give it a poke.  If it just flops, it's dead.  If unsure,
>give it a couple of pokes.  A broomhandle will do.
>Terry

Make a loud noise and if it doesn't move you have your first clue.


    --bonniev

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        I think Theo is losing it.

Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/12/2003 1:48:47 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>
> << If it's dead, that's just gross. I think your advice
> to touch it is crazy.
>  >>
>
> If it hasn't moved in several days,(that's how long you've been asking us
> about it), wouldn't logic dictate that's been dead for that long? But of
> course *I* don't know anything. Afterall I wasn't born in this biggest,
> greatest, most powerful country in the world. I'm sick and tired hearing
> about all this stupidity, and I'm beginning to hope that we WILL attack Iraq,
> and that we get back what we deserve. My life is worthless the way it is now,
> anyway, so nothing is lost afaic. There's nothing gross about a dead body
> because that's how nature intended it. If it's sick, or just plain too old, a
> body dies. Got anymore stupid remarks to make? Theo
>
>


--
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Theodora Groothof wrote:

>  I'm sick and tired hearing
> about all this stupidity, and I'm beginning to hope that we WILL attack Iraq,
> and that we get back what we deserve.

    You, Chrissie Hyd, and Tom Robbins, eh?

JMW

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>         Nonsequitor of the week!

Maybe she was trying to say that they should
have dropped the Monster Bomb[tm] on Karen's
raccoon.

--
Richard             what the hell is caller ID?

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On 12 Mar 2003 at 15:50, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:

> Maybe she was trying to say that they should
> have dropped the Monster Bomb[tm] on Karen's
> raccoon.

I guess we couldn't drop Karen's raccoon on Iraq. That would be
biological warfare, and we don't do things like that.


    mem

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 2:09:08 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Once again, dear Theo, you have endeared yourself to your friends. Why
do you do this?
 >>

Because I'm not afraid to speak my mind, and as you well know, The
Netherlands were the first country to withdraw support in this matter. WE,
and I repeat, WE know about war, not you. You have voiced your objection at
first too, and now you agree?
Common Alyce, be fair. You don't like it any better than I do. But the truth
may not be spoken by anyone who is a "furriner?" What makes you think
Americans are so smart in this matter? It stinks, plain and simple. And I'm
not afraid to voice my opinion on this matter. If it does not "endear" me to
my friends, so be it. Anytime I'm not allowed to post, just tell me, and I'll
leave. Free speech, huh? Sure, as long as it doesn't interfere with anyone
else's opinion. Theo

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> <clostran@SYR.EDU> wrote:
>
> > Hm. Can't, in my neighborhood, 'cause I will be in Providence.
> > Anyone know the area there? Maybe there's one I can join as
> > an interloper.

Find the zip code of where you will be and you can look it up.

alyce

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 2:47:32 PM, bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:

<< >A long stick, give it a poke.  If it just flops, it's dead.  If unsure,
>give it a couple of pokes.  A broomhandle will do.
>Terry

Make a loud noise and if it doesn't move you have your first clue.
 >>

But that requires using logic, Bonnie. Evidently Karen isn't able to use it.
I know I'm not allowed to say anything that may be offensive to my *friends*
according to Alyce. Well, so be it. Just say the word, and I'll leave
forever. Theo

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 2:49:26 PM, williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU writes:

<<    You, Chrissie Hyd, and Tom Robbins, eh?

JMW
 >>

I never heard of those people, but we would get back what we deserve. Don't
get me wrong, I'm not looking forward to any more wars, and I consider Bush
to be one of the most ignorant presidents, and *I* didn't vote for him, but
heaven forbid I speak my piece, that's another thing that's not welcomed.
here.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>  Anytime I'm not allowed to post, just tell me, and I'll
> leave. Free speech, huh? Sure, as long as it doesn't interfere with anyone
> else's opinion.

You may post all you like. As you very well know, I (and some other
wordslers) am/are absolutely in total agreement with you about not going
to war. Therefore I do not understand why you lump us all together and
call us names. We are supposedly your friends. I doubt that in the
Netherlands it is common etiquette to call your friends ignorant (and
worse). It certainly is not de rigeur here. It is possible for friends
to disagree without getting mean and vicious, right? You consistently
insult us. It is ridiculous. And rude. But carry on. Speech is free, at
least for the time being.

alyce

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 2:51:11 PM, rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:

<< Maybe she was trying to say that they should
have dropped the Monster Bomb[tm] on Karen's
raccoon.
 >>

ROFL! Theo

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 3:03:18 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Find the zip code of where you will be and you can look it up.

alyce
 >>

The site wouldn't come up again on AOL. Theo

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>  but
> heaven forbid I speak my piece, that's another thing that's not welcomed.
> here.

That is silly, Theo. You can and do say whatever you like. And we answer
you saying whatever we like. Free speech for everybody!

alyce

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Ah. In the context of "Agree-disagre", I think this means,
"When I decide what to do, I trust my choices".

I once paraphrased Roger Fry in entirety at the 4th grade level.
clo

Karen Kay wrote:

> This is for something that's supposed to be written at a fairly
> low reading level. The sentence is "I uphold my solutions to
> problems", but I want to use a more common word than 'uphold'.
> Except I can't think of one. Help?
>
> Karen

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/12/2003 2:47:32 PM, bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:
>
> << >A long stick, give it a poke.  If it just flops, it's dead.  If unsure,
>
>>give it a couple of pokes.  A broomhandle will do.
>>Terry
>>
>
> Make a loud noise and if it doesn't move you have your first clue.
>  >>
>
> But that requires using logic, Bonnie. Evidently Karen isn't able to use it.
> I know I'm not allowed to say anything that may be offensive to my *friends*
> according to Alyce. Well, so be it. Just say the word, and I'll leave
> forever. Theo


        Theo, you need to decide which country you live in. But yes,
I would love it if you left the list.  Sometimes you are
just so frickin' stupid, I can't help picking on you, and I
always regret it, but there you have it.  You know, like
when you claim to be a computer expert, but can't figure out
what a 404 error is or even how to subscribe and unsubscribe
yourself from a mailing list.

        I'll repent later on.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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In a message dated 3/12/2003 3:17:10 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< It is possible for friends
to disagree without getting mean and vicious, right? You consistently
insult us. It is ridiculous. And rude. But carry on. Speech is free, at
least for the time being. >>

Telling the truth is mean and vicious? Well, so be it. If you were able to
understand my language, I could send you an example of what the Dutch think
of us. I was pitied for my intentions to come to this country, I'll tell you
that. Would you like me to translate something they have written about this
situation? Would you believe me? Because it isn't just me you know. Theo

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 3:41:43 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:
> If it hasn't moved in several days,(that's how long you've been asking us
> about it),

Huh? You are insane, Theo. I discovered it about 9pm last night,
and when my housemate came home, we got a flashlight and went out
and looked at it.

> wouldn't logic dictate that's been dead for that long?

I am assuming that it died some time yesterday.

> Got anymore stupid remarks to make?

I think Alyce said it nicely for me.

Karen

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 3:45:58 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>A long stick, give it a poke.  If it just flops, it's dead.  If unsure,
>>give it a couple of pokes.  A broomhandle will do.
>>Terry

> Make a loud noise and if it doesn't move you have your first clue.

Good point.

Karen

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 3:53:27 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 12 Mar 2003 at 15:50, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:
>> Maybe she was trying to say that they should
>> have dropped the Monster Bomb[tm] on Karen's
>> raccoon.

> I guess we couldn't drop Karen's raccoon on Iraq. That would be
> biological warfare, and we don't do things like that.

LOL. I feel a need to go check and see if they took it away.

Karen

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Would you please set my uclink account to nomail?  The server is down so I can't
do it.

Many thank,
Love from you to me,

Betty

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 12:39:49 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Ah. In the context of "Agree-disagre", I think this means,
> "When I decide what to do, I trust my choices".

Too late! And I'm not sure that's exactly right.

> I once paraphrased Roger Fry in entirety at the 4th grade level.

I don't know who Roger Fry is, but paraphrasing anything at the
4th grade level is an accomplishment and I salute you.

Karen

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 3:24:00 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<         Theo, you need to decide which country you live in. But yes,
I would love it if you left the list.  Sometimes you are
just so frickin' stupid, I can't help picking on you, and I
always regret it, but there you have it.  You know, like
when you claim to be a computer expert, but can't figure out
what a 404 error is or even how to subscribe and unsubscribe
yourself from a mailing list.
 >>

I NEVER claimed to be a computer expert, and everything above is a lie.
But what's the use trying to argue with you, you seem to know everything
better.
Have it your way, dear heart. See if I care. Theo

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 3:31:56 PM, Terry Wild wrote:
> --On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 1:39 PM -0600 Karen Kay
> <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>>
>> Evidently, no, I can't tell, Theo. How do you tell? I might have
>> been able to tell in the light, but this was about 10pm.
>>
>> Karen

> A long stick, give it a poke.  If it just flops, it's dead.  If unsure,
> give it a couple of pokes.  A broomhandle will do.

I used to be fearless about this sort of thing. Till the snapping
turtle bit the stick in two. I found that another test is having
4 people and 2 dogs stand over it looking at it. If it doesn't
move, it's dead.

Karen

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 3:48:01 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         I think Theo is losing it.

I'm pretty sure she lost it already.

Karen

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 4:33:32 PM, BB Clark wrote:
> Would you please set my uclink account to nomail?  The server is down so I can't
> do it.

Does this mean you're leaving?

Karen

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>Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 4:33:32 PM, BB Clark wrote:
> > Would you please set my uclink account to nomail?  The server is down
> so I can't
> > do it.
>
>Does this mean you're leaving?
>Karen

I don't think she's been reading us for awhile.  Uclink has been down off
and on for awhile now.  She has resorted to playing Scrabble at a different
address.  Perhaps she will subscribe to words-l from that address.


    --bonniev

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 4:40:48 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 4:33:32 PM, BB Clark wrote:
>> > Would you please set my uclink account to nomail?  The server is down
>> so I can't
>> > do it.
>>
>>Does this mean you're leaving?
>>Karen

> I don't think she's been reading us for awhile.  Uclink has been down off
> and on for awhile now.  She has resorted to playing Scrabble at a different
> address.  Perhaps she will subscribe to words-l from that address.

Oh, goodie, let's talk about her!:)

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 4:40:48 PM, bonniev wrote:
>
>>>Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 4:33:32 PM, BB Clark wrote:
>>>
>>>>Would you please set my uclink account to nomail?  The server is down
>>>>
>>>so I can't
>>>
>>>>do it.
>>>>
>>>Does this mean you're leaving?
>>>Karen
>>>
>
>>I don't think she's been reading us for awhile.  Uclink has been down off
>>and on for awhile now.  She has resorted to playing Scrabble at a different
>>address.  Perhaps she will subscribe to words-l from that address.
>>
>
> Oh, goodie, let's talk about her!:)
>

        Yeah, how's her marriage?




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 4:47:22 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 4:40:48 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>
>>>>Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 4:33:32 PM, BB Clark wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Would you please set my uclink account to nomail?  The server is down
>>>>>
>>>>so I can't
>>>>
>>>>>do it.
>>>>>
>>>>Does this mean you're leaving?
>>>>Karen
>>>>
>>
>>>I don't think she's been reading us for awhile.  Uclink has been down off
>>>and on for awhile now.  She has resorted to playing Scrabble at a different
>>>address.  Perhaps she will subscribe to words-l from that address.
>>>
>>
>> Oh, goodie, let's talk about her!:)
>>

>         Yeah, how's her marriage?

Well, she's in love with Adam, so I dunno... Do you think they
are having a secret affair?

Karen

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/12/2003 3:24:00 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> <<         Theo, you need to decide which country you live in. But yes,
> I would love it if you left the list.  Sometimes you are
> just so frickin' stupid, I can't help picking on you, and I
> always regret it, but there you have it.  You know, like
> when you claim to be a computer expert, but can't figure out
> what a 404 error is or even how to subscribe and unsubscribe
> yourself from a mailing list.
>  >>
>
> I NEVER claimed to be a computer expert, and everything above is a lie.
> But what's the use trying to argue with you, you seem to know everything
> better.
> Have it your way, dear heart. See if I care. Theo
>

        Hey, I'm just brave enough to speak my mind, so there!




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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>Oh, goodie, let's talk about her!:)
>Karen

I only have good things to say and that's not much fun.  I missed my
BadBetty at SnowBash this year.


    --bonniev

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 4:50:25 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>Oh, goodie, let's talk about her!:)
>>Karen

> I only have good things to say and that's not much fun.  I missed my
> BadBetty at SnowBash this year.

Well, I miss *my* Bad Betty all the time. So there!

Karen

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>>Have it your way, dear heart. See if I care. Theo
>
>        Hey, I'm just brave enough to speak my mind, so there!
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Why, Rita.   Did you acquire that ability in some foreign country??


    --bonniev

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That cats try to cover your mouth and nose?

Karen
who breathed in far too much cat hair today

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I would never leave you, Angel.
> Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 4:33:32 PM, BB Clark wrote:
> > Would you please set my uclink account to nomail?  The server is down so I
> can't
> > do it.
>
> Does this mean you're leaving?
>
> Karen

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 5:05:04 PM, BB Clark wrote:
> I would never leave you, Angel.

Whew!

Karen

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02003-03-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 3:48:01 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >         I think Theo is losing it.
>
> I'm pretty sure she lost it already.

WRONG

The correct answer is "I agree!"

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 3:50:19 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<  Hey, I'm just brave enough to speak my mind, so there! >>

ROFL. When you are brave enough to speak your mind, it's ok, but when I do
it's stupid.
Get lost already, It's senseless trying to have a discussion about anything
with an attitude like that. It's just like the US is allowed any weapons it
chooses, but Iraq isn't. Follow this logic? Of course you don't, afterall
this biggest, most powerful country in the world is NEVER wrong!! I'd be
laughing, if it weren't so sad. Theo

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Very good, thank you!
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 4:40:48 PM, bonniev wrote:
> >
> >>>Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 4:33:32 PM, BB Clark wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Would you please set my uclink account to nomail?  The server is down
> >>>>
> >>>so I can't
> >>>
> >>>>do it.
> >>>>
> >>>Does this mean you're leaving?
> >>>Karen
> >>>
> >
> >>I don't think she's been reading us for awhile.  Uclink has been down off
> >>and on for awhile now.  She has resorted to playing Scrabble at a different
> >>address.  Perhaps she will subscribe to words-l from that address.
> >>
> >
> > Oh, goodie, let's talk about her!:)
> >
>
>         Yeah, how's her marriage?
>
>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>

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02003-03-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 12:39:49 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > Ah. In the context of "Agree-disagre", I think this means,
> > "When I decide what to do, I trust my choices".
>
> Too late! And I'm not sure that's exactly right.

This begins to sound like you know what it means.

What the hell does it mean, K-R-N?

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 4:15:29 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< Oh, fuck off, Theo, or follow along a little better. I'd never
declaw this cat.
 >>

No, YOU fuck off, because you can't read. I said TALK about declawing, and we
have, not because you were for it. But you're so smart, aren't you? Yes, all
of you are, and I'm not, right? Theo

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> ROFL. When you are brave enough to speak your mind, it's ok, but when I do
> it's stupid.

Theo, you are switching subjects in the middle of the stream. No one was
talking about Iraq or war, and suddenly you attack us and all Americans
and the country itself. We were talking about raccoons, for heaven's
sake.

alyce
> Get lost already, It's senseless trying to have a discussion about anything
> with an attitude like that. It's just like the US is allowed any weapons it
> chooses, but Iraq isn't. Follow this logic? Of course you don't, afterall
> this biggest, most powerful country in the world is NEVER wrong!! I'd be
> laughing, if it weren't so sad. Theo


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        I've been promoted!  Take heed, Tushar.  I'm now the biggest
and baddest in the WORLD.

Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/12/2003 3:50:19 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> <<  Hey, I'm just brave enough to speak my mind, so there! >>
>
> ROFL. When you are brave enough to speak your mind, it's ok, but when I do
> it's stupid.
> Get lost already, It's senseless trying to have a discussion about anything
> with an attitude like that. It's just like the US is allowed any weapons it
> chooses, but Iraq isn't. Follow this logic? Of course you don't, afterall
> this biggest, most powerful country in the world is NEVER wrong!! I'd be
> laughing, if it weren't so sad. Theo
>
>


--
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rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 5:18:18 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>That cats try to cover your mouth and nose?
>>Karen

> This is why some ancient or superstitious civilizations wouldn't allow cats
> in a sleeping room.  They try to steal your breathe.

I know that. But *why*. Why are they so attracted to it?

Karen

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02003-03-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 5:14:07 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-03-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 5:11:38 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > 02003-03-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> >> Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 12:39:49 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >> >> > Ah. In the context of "Agree-disagre", I think this means,
> >> >> > "When I decide what to do, I trust my choices".
> >> >>
> >> >> Too late! And I'm not sure that's exactly right.
> >>
> >> > This begins to sound like you know what it means.
> >>
> >> > What the hell does it mean, K-R-N?
> >>
> >> Don't be sending me on a bad trip, Elephant Boy. I've been
> >> reading The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test and I'm tripping....
>
> > Nobody else can do it. You send yourself.
>
> I agree.

There. Simple, isn't it?

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02003-03-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>        I've been promoted!  Take heed, Tushar.

Why?

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I am going on Saturday, and the conference runs Mon - Wed.
*counting on fingers* umm, 5 days, more or less.
clo

On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Terry Wild wrote:

> --On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 1:40 PM -0500 Carolyn Ostrander
> <clostran@SYR.EDU> wrote:
>
> > Hm. Can't, in my neighborhood, 'cause I will be in Providence.
> > Anyone know the area there? Maybe there's one I can join as
> > an interloper.
> > clo
> >
>
> Providence as in RI?  How long will you be around?
>
> Terry
>

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He is the List Honey.
> Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 4:47:22 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> > Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >> Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 4:40:48 PM, bonniev wrote:
> >>
> >>>>Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 4:33:32 PM, BB Clark wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Would you please set my uclink account to nomail?  The server is down
> >>>>>
> >>>>so I can't
> >>>>
> >>>>>do it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>Does this mean you're leaving?
> >>>>Karen
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>I don't think she's been reading us for awhile.  Uclink has been down off
> >>>and on for awhile now.  She has resorted to playing Scrabble at a different
> >>>address.  Perhaps she will subscribe to words-l from that address.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Oh, goodie, let's talk about her!:)
> >>
>
> >         Yeah, how's her marriage?
>
> Well, she's in love with Adam, so I dunno... Do you think they
> are having a secret affair?
>
> Karen

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Did they treat you kindly, Bonnie?
> >Oh, goodie, let's talk about her!:)
> >Karen
>
> I only have good things to say and that's not much fun.  I missed my
> BadBetty at SnowBash this year.
>
>
>     --bonniev

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 5:08:57 PM, BB Clark wrote:
> He is the List Honey.

Yes, he is!

What should I bring to my potluck? Do you think garlic stuffed
olives would be *enough*? It's at 7pm, and there's always so much
food.

Karen

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 5:11:38 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 12:39:49 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> > Ah. In the context of "Agree-disagre", I think this means,
>> > "When I decide what to do, I trust my choices".
>>
>> Too late! And I'm not sure that's exactly right.

> This begins to sound like you know what it means.

> What the hell does it mean, K-R-N?

Don't be sending me on a bad trip, Elephant Boy. I've been
reading The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test and I'm tripping....

Karen

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 3:56:25 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< That cats try to cover your mouth and nose? >>

To prevent you from talk about declawing? Oh, I forget. I'm not allowed to
speak my piece. Theo

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 5:13:19 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:
> In a message dated 3/12/2003 3:56:25 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

> << That cats try to cover your mouth and nose? >>

> To prevent you from talk about declawing? Oh, I forget. I'm not allowed to
> speak my piece. Theo

Oh, fuck off, Theo, or follow along a little better. I'd never
declaw this cat.

Karen

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 5:14:07 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 5:11:38 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-03-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 12:39:49 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> >> > Ah. In the context of "Agree-disagre", I think this means,
>> >> > "When I decide what to do, I trust my choices".
>> >>
>> >> Too late! And I'm not sure that's exactly right.
>>
>> > This begins to sound like you know what it means.
>>
>> > What the hell does it mean, K-R-N?
>>
>> Don't be sending me on a bad trip, Elephant Boy. I've been
>> reading The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test and I'm tripping....

> Nobody else can do it. You send yourself.

No, no, that's not true. According to the book, anyway. U R
wrong-o on this one.

Karen

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02003-03-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 5:11:38 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 12:39:49 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >> > Ah. In the context of "Agree-disagre", I think this means,
> >> > "When I decide what to do, I trust my choices".
> >>
> >> Too late! And I'm not sure that's exactly right.
>
> > This begins to sound like you know what it means.
>
> > What the hell does it mean, K-R-N?
>
> Don't be sending me on a bad trip, Elephant Boy. I've been
> reading The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test and I'm tripping....

Nobody else can do it. You send yourself.

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>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>I think wild turkeys are much nicer to have than raccoons. Far
>less trouble.

We've got both, but only the raccoons pull everyone's garbage apart.

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>That cats try to cover your mouth and nose?
>Karen

This is why some ancient or superstitious civilizations wouldn't allow cats
in a sleeping room.  They try to steal your breathe.


    --bonniev

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
> Telling the truth is mean and vicious?

Not at all. What is mean and vicious is the way you call all Americans
namea, including us, your presumed friends. You may hate the United
States, but surely not everyone who lives here. My remarks to you have
nothing to do with your political opinions which you are free to post at
length. They are about your being absolutely rude to wordslers for no
reason at all.

alyce

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For the most part.   Adam did say at one point:   "Move over,
Jesus.  Bonnie is coming up on the cross."       Why are you top posting??

>Did they treat you kindly, Bonnie?
> > >Oh, goodie, let's talk about her!:)     --Karen
> >
> > I only have good things to say and that's not much fun.  I missed my
> > BadBetty at SnowBash this year.    --bonniev

    --bonniev

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>What should I bring to my potluck? Do you think garlic stuffed
>olives would be *enough*? It's at 7pm, and there's always so much
>food.       --Karen

Garlic stuffed olives is way more than enough!   Did you finally bring a
jar home intact?


    --bonniev

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>From: Neal Traven <beisbol@ALUMNI.PITT.EDU>
>FTR, at the time of Wordstock...  Oh hell, forget it.  You don't really
>care
>about it anyway.

I do. BTW, how's Uncle Eddie? Last you mentioned him, I think you said his
diabetes was bothering him.

Marie

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Are you listening to the story of
Elizabeth Smart from Salt Lake
City who disappeared months
ago?  She has been found alive
and well.

So good to hear good news
for a change

                  - D. M.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/12/2003 4:15:29 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>
> << Oh, fuck off, Theo, or follow along a little better. I'd never
> declaw this cat.
>  >>
>
> No, YOU fuck off, because you can't read. I said TALK about declawing, and we
> have, not because you were for it. But you're so smart, aren't you? Yes, all
> of you are, and I'm not, right? Theo
>

        She's getting it!




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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At 06:18 PM 3/12/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>That cats try to cover your mouth and nose?
>>Karen
>
>This is why some ancient or superstitious civilizations wouldn't allow cats
>in a sleeping room.  They try to steal your breathe.

First, the word is "breath."  Like most superstitions, this one is
baseless.  Our cats will come onto the bed in the morning and move right to
our faces---to smell our breath.  It's their way of confirming who we
are.  It's also a means to try to awaken us so that we will feed them.

cwv

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>>>That cats try to cover your mouth and nose?
>>>Karen
>>
>>This is why some ancient or superstitious civilizations wouldn't allow cats
>>in a sleeping room.  They try to steal your breathe.    --bonniev
>
>First, the word is "breath."       --cwv

I think my marriage is in trouble.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

>>>> That cats try to cover your mouth and nose?
>>>> Karen
>>>
>>>
>>> This is why some ancient or superstitious civilizations wouldn't
>>> allow cats
>>> in a sleeping room.  They try to steal your breathe.    --bonniev
>>
>>
>> First, the word is "breath."       --cwv
>
>
> I think my marriage is in trouble.
>

        Already?  Man, we're getting good.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 5:25:37 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>What should I bring to my potluck? Do you think garlic stuffed
>>olives would be *enough*? It's at 7pm, and there's always so much
>>food.       --Karen

> Garlic stuffed olives is way more than enough!   Did you finally bring a
> jar home intact?

No, but the store is on the way.

Karen

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>       I've been promoted!  Take heed, Tushar.
>>
>
> Why?
>

        Must you be so frickin' stupid?




--
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Nah, you're just trying to set us up for talking about you after
ArcadiaFest.
clo

bonniev wrote:

> >>>That cats try to cover your mouth and nose?
> >>>Karen
> >>
> >>This is why some ancient or superstitious civilizations wouldn't allow cats
> >>in a sleeping room.  They try to steal your breathe.    --bonniev
> >
> >First, the word is "breath."       --cwv
>
> I think my marriage is in trouble.
>
>     --bonniev

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Oh, I so agree with you. My parents sent me on a real bad trip
to visit my aunt once.
clo

Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 5:14:07 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >> Don't be sending me on a bad trip, Elephant Boy. I've been
> >> reading The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test and I'm tripping....
>
> > Nobody else can do it. You send yourself.
>
> No, no, that's not true. According to the book, anyway. U R
> wrong-o on this one.
>
> Karen

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02003-03-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> >>      I've been promoted!  Take heed, Tushar.
> >>
> >
> >Why?
> >
>
>        Must you be so frickin' handsome?

I didn't choose it, Rita.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>02003-03-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>     I've been promoted!  Take heed, Tushar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Why?
>>>
>>>
>>       Must you be so frickin' handsome?
>>
>
> I didn't choose it, Rita.
>
        Stop toying with my affections, you cad.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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02003-03-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >02003-03-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> >>Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>
> >>>02003-03-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>    I've been promoted!  Take heed, Tushar.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Why?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>      Must you be so frickin' handsome?
> >>
> >
> >I didn't choose it, Rita.
> >
>        Stop toying with my affections, you hunka burning pimp love.


I'll try my best but baby I got to be what I is

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>
>>>02003-03-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>02003-03-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>   I've been promoted!  Take heed, Tushar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Why?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>     Must you be so frickin' handsome?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I didn't choose it, Rita.
>>>
>>>
>>       Stop toying with my affections, you hunka burning pimp love.
>>
>
>
> I'll try my best but baby I got to be a flaming sleze pimple.


        I agree!



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Probably not well, but it is amazing.

Doris Markland wrote:

> Are you listening to the story of
> Elizabeth Smart from Salt Lake
> City who disappeared months
> ago?  She has been found alive
> and well.
>
> So good to hear good news
> for a change
>
>                   - D. M.
>
>


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bonniev wrote:

>>> Have it your way, dear heart. See if I care. Theo
>>
>>
>>        Hey, I'm just brave enough to speak my mind, so there!
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> Why, Rita.   Did you acquire that ability in some foreign country??
>


        Oh, yes, we Freedonians KNOW about these things, but I'm not
allowed to speak my mind!



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>Nah, you're just trying to set us up for talking about you after
>ArcadiaFest.          --clo

Start spelling it right or else you can't come!    Acadiafest.   No R.


    --bonniev

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--On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 7:33 PM -0500 bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM>
wrote:

>> Nah, you're just trying to set us up for talking about you after
>> ArcadiaFest.          --clo
>
> Start spelling it right or else you can't come!    Acadiafest.   No R.
>
>
>     --bonniev

She's coming to RI, it is all over now, she won't know what to do with her
Rs.

Terrrrry

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02003-03-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >02003-03-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> >>Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>02003-03-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>02003-03-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>  I've been promoted!  Take heed, Tushar.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>Why?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>    Must you be so frickin' handsome?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I didn't choose it, Rita.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>      Stop toying with my affections, you hunka burning pimp love.
> >>
> >
> >
> >I'll try my best but baby I got to be a flaming sleze pimple.
>
>
>        Take me now!


Please, people are beginning to stare ...

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>I am going on Saturday, and the conference runs Mon - Wed.
>*counting on fingers* umm, 5 days, more or less.
>clo

How is your knee?


    --bonniev

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On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:28:07 -0500, Marie Ascher
<lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

>>From: Neal Traven <beisbol@ALUMNI.PITT.EDU>
>>FTR, at the time of Wordstock...  Oh hell, forget it.  You don't really
>>care
>>about it anyway.
>
>I do. BTW, how's Uncle Eddie? Last you mentioned him, I think you said his
>diabetes was bothering him.
>
>Marie

When last I saw Eddie, a little less than a year ago, I learned that he was
acting almost entirely as supervisor rather than worker.  ML's sister
Jeannie has a Victorian in Colorado Springs, which he's been rehabbing for
the last five-ish years, and he now hires people to do the stuff he used to
do himself.

That's because he's finally manifesting diabetic complications.  It's
amazing that it's taken so long; despite his near-death experience back in
1994 or so, he's never really tried to deal with the disease ... his idea
of "controlling" his glucose is to maintain it at 200 or so.  He diligently
uses his glucometer and records the results, but doesn't pay any attention
whatsoever to the difference between the numbers he records and the values
he's supposed to be aiming for.  Anyway, he now has retinopathy and (much
more troubling) nephropathy.  I suspect he isn't too far away from renal
failure.

I may hear more about his condition soon, as I believe Jeannie will be
passing through here on business in a few weeks.

WRT Mary Lynn then, now, and in-between, I think it best to go backchannel
on it (after all, it's been pronounced that I'm not a wordsler).  Marie,
you know where to reach me.

neal

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--On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 6:51 PM -0500 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU
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> I am going on Saturday, and the conference runs Mon - Wed.
> *counting on fingers* umm, 5 days, more or less.
> clo
>

Are you booked solid or should we locals consider a meeting, probably over
food and drinks?  Judith and Paul are in Providence, I'm 30 minutes away.
Maybe Adam if he's recovered. /Jim?  Lisa?

Terry

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 4:23:57 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< They are about your being absolutely rude to wordslers for no
reason at all. >>

People who can't stand anyone else's opinion, that's who you are. I have
nothing against you, but if I'm not allowed to voice what #I# think about
this Iraq affair, that's not freedom of speech asaik. Let's face it: half of
you claim to be so well educated, but if you were, you'd allow someone else's
opinion too. That's what freedom of speech means, doesn't it? Or is it only
in force for born here Americans? Have it your way; see if I care. Theo

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Theodora Groothof writes,

>I have nothing against you, but if I'm not allowed to voice what #I# think
>about this Iraq affair, that's not freedom of speech asaik.

Yo, Theo -- it ain't about the Iraq affair.

This is what you said: "Jeez, it's no wonder that Americans are considered
ignorant by the rest of the world," in reference to a dead animal in the dark.

Perhaps you could imagine some Americans, even those with anti-Bush or
anti-war feelings, being a little insulted at the generalization.

Pete

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 4:28:11 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< I'd be
> laughing, if it weren't so sad. Theo >>

You won't be laughing when it actually gets to be war. Remember if you will,
that I warned you all about it way back when. What is so courageous about
dropping a monster bomb on innocent people, if you're only after one man? But
of course this country is NEVER wrong, is it? Theo

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 4:31:25 PM, dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

<< Are you listening to the story of
Elizabeth Smart from Salt Lake
City who disappeared months
ago?  She has been found alive
and well.

So good to hear good news
for a change
 >>

With that I'll agree. Theo

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This is driving me crazy. Paul and I are victims of a misbehaving mail
server today - I have received some things about 6 times; others only
after reading about 20 replies to them; and with very odd lags, especially
on sending *some* messages out.

Not only am I not booked solid, I am only leaving on Saturday in order to
run away from home and get some wild time in. err, apologies, some
unscheduled time.

I'm open for anything, and would gladly meet new people - just tell me an
address and I will be there looking foolish.

clo


On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Terry Wild wrote:

> --On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 6:51 PM -0500 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU
> wrote:
>
> > I am going on Saturday, and the conference runs Mon - Wed.
> > *counting on fingers* umm, 5 days, more or less.
> > clo
> >
>
> Are you booked solid or should we locals consider a meeting, probably over
> food and drinks?  Judith and Paul are in Providence, I'm 30 minutes away.
> Maybe Adam if he's recovered. /Jim?  Lisa?
>
> Terry
>

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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We already had greedy assholes positioning for whatever they can
get, opportunists getting stupid agendas passed in the general chaos,
complacent strutters invoking unbelievably lofty ideas, and so on
and so forth ... but now the similarity with a dotcom-going-to-hell
is complete, with the surreal "freedom fries" marketing stunt. Ha
ha ha ha ha ... we should be thankful for comic relief in times
like this.

Another comedic statement I read in the same story--by supreme
comic Tom DeLay--"I don't think we have to retaliate against
France," he said. "They have isolated themselves."

It's a good thing--insight into the concept of isolating oneself...

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> Would you please set my uclink account to nomail?  The server is
> down so I can't do it.

Done.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 4:31:32 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<< But you're so smart, aren't you? Yes, all
> of you are, and I'm not, right? Theo
>

        She's getting it!
 >>

That really show how small-minded you are. I've never called anyone of you
names, because I'm too mature for namecalling. But perhaps you're not smart
enough to get that. Theo

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On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, bonniev wrote:

> >I am going on Saturday, and the conference runs Mon - Wed.
> >*counting on fingers* umm, 5 days, more or less.
> >clo
>
> How is your knee?
>
>
>     --bonniev
>

Sore, and stiff, but so much better today that I suspect it was not such a
bad fall as it seemed at the time. Thanks for asking!
clo

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/12/2003 4:31:32 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> << But you're so smart, aren't you? Yes, all
>
>>of you are, and I'm not, right? Theo
>>
>>
>
>         She's getting it!
>  >>
>
> That really show how small-minded you are. I've never called anyone of you
> names, because I'm too mature for namecalling. But perhaps you're not smart
> enough to get that. Theo


        Yabbut, you said you leave if somebody asked, and I did.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Nah, you're just trying to set us up for talking about you after
> ArcadiaFest.
> clo
>
> bonniev wrote:
>
> > I think my marriage is in trouble.
> >
> >     --bonniev

I think me wordsler-status is in trouble!
Acadia - I meant Acadia!

ooh oooh, I have to tell a bad story my dad tells.
We always use the punch line on occasions such as this. Sorry!

A lady goes into a butcher shop and asks for "2 lbs
of veal and 1 lb of kidleys".
The butcher scratches his head, and asks herself to
repeat the order.

"I said, I'd like 2 lbs of veal and 1 lb of kidleys, please".

Finally, after several iterations, the butcher is enlightened:
"ohhh, you want <kidneys>!"

Quoth the shopper:
"I said kiddleys, didle I?"


clo

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> For the most part.   Adam did say at one point:   "Move over,
> Jesus.  Bonnie is coming up on the cross."

And here you are AGAIN, trying to play the poor martyr!!!

> Why are you top posting??

Because AT&T's web mail interface STINKS.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com, soon to be comcast.net

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At 08:49 PM 3/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > Would you please set my uclink account to nomail?  The server is
> > down so I can't do it.
>
>Done.

Thank you, Adam. I can't believe that it is still down. The problems
started last week but with just a few people.  It's gotten worse.

Betty

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At 09:01 PM 3/12/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > For the most part.   Adam did say at one point:   "Move over,
> > Jesus.  Bonnie is coming up on the cross."
>
>And here you are AGAIN, trying to play the poor martyr!!!
>
> > Why are you top posting??
>
>Because AT&T's web mail interface STINKS.

Exactly.  Adam knows my pain.

Betty

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 6:52:48 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<< Yabbut, you said you leave if somebody asked, and I did. >>

Are you the #voice# of words-l? Theo (Who keeps reading, not because she
agrees with it, but because it gives her a good idea about the country's
attitude on the whole)

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> This is for something that's supposed to be written at a fairly
> low reading level. The sentence is "I uphold my solutions to
> problems", but I want to use a more common word than 'uphold'.
> Except I can't think of one. Help?
>
> Karen

stand by ?

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At 10:11 AM 3/12/2003 -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > This is for something that's supposed to be written at a fairly
> > low reading level. The sentence is "I uphold my solutions to
> > problems", but I want to use a more common word than 'uphold'.
> > Except I can't think of one. Help?
> >
> > Karen
>
>stand by ?

Standing by, Paul.

Betty

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/12/2003 6:52:48 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> << Yabbut, you said you leave if somebody asked, and I did. >>
>
> Are you the #voice# of words-l? Theo (Who keeps reading, not because she
> agrees with it, but because it gives her a good idea about the country's
> attitude on the whole)


        Yes, I am the Voice of Words-l, as a matter of fact. Don't
let the door hit you on the fanny on your way out.  Or were
you toying with my fervent wishes?




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>
>>>02003-03-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>02003-03-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>02003-03-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been promoted!  Take heed, Tushar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Must you be so frickin' handsome?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>I didn't choose it, Rita.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>     Stop toying with my affections, you hunka burning pimp love.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>I'll try my best but baby I got to be a flaming sleze pimple.
>>>
>>
>>       Take me now!
>>
>
>
> Please, people are beginning to stare at my irresistably blushing ass.



        My heavens, have you no shame?



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Oh, Theo, I don't want you to go!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
This account protected by an attack cabbit.

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From: "MR J. GERARD HARDY" <gerardhardy@ecplaza.net>
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MR J. GERARD HARDY
MAURITIUS COMMERCIAL BANK LTD
NO 9-15 SIR WILLIAM NEWTON STREET
PORT-LOUIS
MAURITIUS

DIRECTOR TEL:874-762-970-480

DIRECT FAX:874-762-970-481

Attn The President/CEO

I am Mr J. Gerard Hardy, vice president,Mauritius Commercial Bank
Ltd. I have urgent and very confidential business proposition for
you.

On June 6, 1998, an American Oil consultant contractor with
Mauritius Mining Corporation, Mr Charles Andason made a numbered
time
Fixed Deposit for twelve calendar months valuedat
US$25,000,000.00 Twenty- five Million Dollars in my branch. Upon
maturity,I sent a routine notification to his forwarding address but
got no
reply.
After a month, we sent a reminder and finally we discovered from
his contract employers,the Island of Mauritius Mining
Corporation, that Mr
Charles Andason died from an automobile accident. On further
investigation,
I found out that he died without making a WILL and all attempts
to trace his next of kin was fruitless.

I therefore made further investigation and discovered that Mr
Charles Andason did not declare any kin or relations in all his
official
documents including his Bank Deposit paperwork in my Bank. This
sum of
US$25,000,000.00 is still sitting in my Bank and the interest is
being
rolled over with the principal sum at the end of each year. No
one will
ever come forward to claim it. According to the Island of
Mauritius Law, at
the expiration of 5(five) years, the money will revert to the
ownership of
the Island of Mauritius Government if nobody applies to claim the
fund.

Consequently, my proposal is that I will like you as a Foreigner
to stand in as the next of kin to Mr Charles Andason so that the
fruits of this old man's labor will not get into the hands of some
corrupt government officials. This is simple. I will like you to
provide
immediately your full names and address so that the Attorney will
prepare
the necessary documents and affidavits which will put you in
place as the
next of kin. We shall employ the service of two Attorneys for
drafting and
notarization of the WILL and to obtain the necessary documents
and letter
of probate administration in your favor for the transfer. A bank
account in
any part of the world which you will provide will then facilitate
the
transfer of this money to you as the beneficiary/next of kin.
The money will be paid into your account for us to share in the
ratio of 60% for me and 40% for you.

There is no risk at all as all the paperwork for this transaction
will be done by the Attorney and my position guarantees the
successful
execution of this transaction. If you are interested,please reply
immediately via the private email address below.
Upon your response, I shall then provide you with more details
and relevant documents that will help you understand the
transaction.

Please observe utmost confidentiality and rest assured that this
transaction would be most profitable for both of us because I
shall require your assistance to invest my share in your country.

Awaiting your urgent reply via my email:gerardhardy3@consultant.com





Thanks and regards,

MR J. GERARD HARDY
DIRECTOR TEL:874-762-970-480
DIRECT FAX:874-762-970-481

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Neal wrote:

> ... his idea of "controlling" his glucose is to maintain it at 200 or so.
He
> diligently uses his glucometer and records the results, but doesn't pay
any attention
> whatsoever to the difference between the numbers he records and the values
> he's supposed to be aiming for.

Gah! I keep mine beneath 120.

> on it (after all, it's been pronounced that I'm not a wordsler).

That's just bullshit, and you know better than to pay any attention to that.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> >BONNIE! I'm not that far yet. He's on the plane to Georgia with
> >his fabulous hiking companion.        --Karen
>
> O.k.  Then I won't tell you the part about when he gets to Maine.
>
>
>     --bonniev

There's a debate term for this (i.e. mentioning something by saying you won't
mention it).  I can't remember what it is.  Does anyone else remember?

BrP

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Theodora Groothof writes,

>Yes, dear. That's what the rest of the world thinks of you, whether you like
>it or not. Let's face it, how big a percentage of Americans can't read?

Hang in there with us, Theo.  Some of us are trying to be friendly.

Pete

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 6:53:07 PM, kaminski@ISTORI.COM writes:

<< Yo, Theo -- it ain't about the Iraq affair.

This is what you said: "Jeez, it's no wonder that Americans are considered
ignorant by the rest of the world," in reference to a dead animal in the dark.
 >>

Yes, dear. That's what the rest of the world thinks of you, whether you like
it or not. Let's face it, how big a percentage of Americans can't read? You
know that's a fact and that I'm not making it up. My oldest daughter was not
allowed to take an extra language in high school, because she *already* had 5
subjects. Do you have any idea how many subjects I took? Aside from 3 foreign
languages that is? She was only allowed one, because as I said, *She already
took FIVE subjects* sheesh, education is a joke here, afaic. Half the people
can't read or write, and I'd really like to know how much Bush has learned.
But I guess I'll never find that out. Will I? Theo

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 7:54:25 PM, kaminski@ISTORI.COM writes:

<< Hang in there with us, Theo.  Some of us are trying to be friendly.

Pete
 >>

Namecalling is not my idea of friends, Pete. But I'll try to be more
tolerant. There may be *Some hope for some of you !* :-)  Theo

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my messages to w-l are not showing up in my inbox.  Is anyone else seeing them?

BrP

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> Are you booked solid or should we locals consider a meeting, probably over
> food and drinks?  Judith and Paul are in Providence, I'm 30 minutes away.
> Maybe Adam if he's recovered. /Jim?  Lisa?

Not me, I'm booked up this weekend, but if your route takes you on I-90,
clo, you're more than welcome to get off Exit 4 in MA and come visit for a
spell if the times work out.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 7:15:57 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<  Or were
you toying with my fervent wishes? >>

Nobody is keeping you from ignoring me if that's what's bothering you, dear
heart! Remember "freedom"? You are allowed as much as I am to practice it,
right? Theo

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In a message dated 03/12/2003 8:58:35 PM Central Standard Time,
prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:

<<
my messages to w-l are not showing up in my inbox.  Is anyone else seeing
them?


>>

This one showed up.

Evelyn Duncan
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Theodora Groothof wrote:

>Yes, dear. That's what the rest of the world thinks of you, whether you like
it or not. Let's face it, how big a percentage of Americans can't read? You
[blah blah blah]<

Tell us, Theo, what exactly are you doing to improve the world?

Bethany

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 7:28:55 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

<< Oh, Theo, I don't want you to go! >>

Thank you Evelyn for your support. I just hope you won't get into trouble
with the rest of them. Theo

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In a message dated 03/12/2003 9:15:10 PM Central Standard Time,
Groothof2@AOL.COM writes:

<<
Thank you Evelyn for your support. I just hope you won't get into trouble
with the rest of them. Theo

>>

If I do, it will be OK.  It's more important with me that I can live with
myself than to keep quiet.  I've had to spend too many years "keeping
quiet."  Never was able to tell Erin or Annegret what I thought of them.
I wish I had the chance now.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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> quiet."  Never was able to tell Erin or Annegret what I thought of them.
> I wish I had the chance now.

Doesn't Annegret still work at Sears?

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 7:58:33 PM, prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:

<< my messages to w-l are not showing up in my inbox.  Is anyone else seeing
them?

BrP

 >>

Just the last one addressed to me. Theo

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In a message dated 03/12/2003 9:32:47 PM Central Standard Time,
adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<<
Doesn't Annegret still work at Sears?


>>

Yes.  So does Erin.

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 3/12/2003 7:59:14 PM, dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:

<< Tell us, Theo, what exactly are you doing to improve the world?

Bethany
 >>

There isn't a whole lot this invalid woman is able to do, but I try to treat
anyone with kindness whenever I can. Afaik, I have no enemies, except you
people of course!
So what else do you want to know? And don't think that I wouldn't tell Bush
what I think of him if I were allowed. Theo

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On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Theodora Groothof wrote:

>There isn't a whole lot this invalid woman is able to do, but I try to treat
>anyone with kindness whenever I can. Afaik, I have no enemies, except you
>people of course!
>So what else do you want to know? And don't think that I wouldn't tell Bush
>what I think of him if I were allowed. Theo

Okay, thank you. I am instructed. Calling individuals who probably do
not agree on a single political or social issue "you people" and
implying that they are collective "enemies" is obviously a kindness.

Interesting ...

What is keeping you from emailing our president?

Bethany

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In a message dated 3/12/2003 8:27:57 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

<< If I do, it will be OK.  It's more important with me that I can live with
myself than to keep quiet.  I've had to spend too many years "keeping
quiet."  Never was able to tell Erin or Annegret what I thought of them.
I wish I had the chance now.
 >>

Well, it's too late for you now, but not for me. So I'm saying what I feel,
but of course
no matter what they told me when I became a citizen, *furriners* aren't
allowed to speak their mind. All I'm doing is reporting what the other
countries think of it, and it ain't pretty. All they have to do is kick me
off the list, but ALL of them, not just a few. I know I have some support
from some of you, and I thank you for it, but *friends* don't treat a friend
as some of you have, that's my opinion. Just because you don't believe what
most of the world thinks of you, that doesn't make it a lie, and that's the
last I want to say on this subject. Theo

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> People who can't stand anyone else's opinion, that's who you are. I have
> nothing against you, but if I'm not allowed to voice what #I# think about
> this Iraq affair, that's not freedom of speech asaik.

Repeat, repeat: No one has stopped you from posting about Iraq and not
everyone disagrees with your position.

> Let's face it: half of you claim to be so well educated,

Not half of us. All of us.

> but if you were, you'd allow someone else's
> opinion too. That's what freedom of speech means, doesn't it? Or is it only
> in force for born here Americans? Have it your way; see if I care.

Please cite an instance when your words were censored.

alyce

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

 What is so courageous about
> dropping a monster bomb on innocent people, if you're only after one man? But
> of course this country is NEVER wrong, is it?

Please give a  citation of a Words-L post that suggests it is
courageous. Can't do it? Amazing.

alyce

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> Are you the #voice# of words-l? Theo (Who keeps reading, not because she
> agrees with it, but because it gives her a good idea about the country's
> attitude on the whole)

ROFL. If ever there was a forum that does not reflect the country's
attitude on the whole, this is it. Suggest you widen your reading, Theo,
for a real feel of the country.

alyce


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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> In a message dated 03/12/2003 8:58:35 PM Central Standard Time,
> prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:
>
> <<
> my messages to w-l are not showing up in my inbox.  Is anyone else seeing
> them?

I see you, Paul.
alye

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On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:37:31 -0500, Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM> wrote:

>Neal wrote:
>
>> ... his idea of "controlling" his glucose is to maintain it at 200 or so.
>He
>> diligently uses his glucometer and records the results, but doesn't pay
>any attention
>> whatsoever to the difference between the numbers he records and the values
>> he's supposed to be aiming for.
>
>Gah! I keep mine beneath 120.

But you know that under 90 or so is better.

Eddie never checked his glucose prior to his crisis back in our days at The
Farm, and I bet that he'd been walking around for years with blood sugar
levels of 300-400.  When we took him to the hospital the night he almost
died, his glucose was somewhere north of 800.

>
>> on it (after all, it's been pronounced that I'm not a wordsler).
>
>That's just bullshit, and you know better than to pay any attention to that.
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@attbi.com

Of course I do.  I'm just having fun with it.

neal, wondering whether it's possible to go from Seattle to Denver (for
SABR, 7/9-13) via Maine

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 7:06:41 PM, Neal Traven wrote:
> (after all, it's been pronounced that I'm not a wordsler).

I knew I should have said something at the time... You know that
isn't true, don't you?!

Once a Wordsler, always a Wordsler. Even Paul Kuritz.

Karen

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 7:33:27 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:
> In a message dated 3/12/2003 4:23:57 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

> << They are about your being absolutely rude to wordslers for no
reason at all. >>>

> People who can't stand anyone else's opinion, that's who you are.

LOL! You must be on pretty good drugs, Theo.

Karen

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 9:11:16 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>> This is for something that's supposed to be written at a fairly
>> low reading level. The sentence is "I uphold my solutions to
>> problems", but I want to use a more common word than 'uphold'.
>> Except I can't think of one. Help?
>>
>> Karen

> stand by ?

Oh, yes, my sweet ET!

Karen

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Adam,

Thanks for the offer. But if you are booked, I might add confusion
to your weekend, because I rarely arrive at the time I think I will on
long drives! I might be passing Exit 4 about lunchtime on Sat, with
luck. What do you think?

If that's not convenient, I do travel Rt 90 occasionally, since my brother
lives in Maine and I have colleagues at MIT I check in with now and
again. Maybe a rain check?

clo

 On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

> > Are you booked solid or should we locals consider a meeting, probably over
> > food and drinks?  Judith and Paul are in Providence, I'm 30 minutes away.
> > Maybe Adam if he's recovered. /Jim?  Lisa?
>
> Not me, I'm booked up this weekend, but if your route takes you on I-90,
> clo, you're more than welcome to get off Exit 4 in MA and come visit for a
> spell if the times work out.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com
>

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>>>       I've been promoted!  Take heed, Tushar.
>>>
>>
>> Why?
>>
>
>        Must you be so frickin' stupid?

>Rita Rouvalis Chapman


He is The Spirit That Always Denies.  That's his *job*.  It's what he *does*.

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>on it (after all, it's been pronounced that I'm not a wordsler).

>neal

Tushar pronounced me a mere "pretender to wordslarity" something like five
or six years ago.  Of course, I was a neophyte then, having only been on
the list for three or four years.

Wasn't it Karen who hypothesized that Wordslers never leave the list, they
only go on sabbatical?

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>From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
>quiet."  Never was able to tell Erin or Annegret what I thought of them.
>I wish I had the chance now.

Don't you think you should just put it behind you and move on?

Marie

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I'm wide awake at 4:15 AM. I feel like Natalie. It's really not such a bad
time of day, after all.

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-03-12 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > = >
= > = > I'm guessing there are pros and cons to going straight up the
= > = > lake, say versus some less urban route.
= > =
= > = Brokenly I reply: thank you
= >
= > No, that part comes after the walking.
=
= That was funnier than the bald joke!

Tanks!

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>From: Marie Ascher <lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
>>quiet."  Never was able to tell Erin or Annegret what I thought of them.
>>I wish I had the chance now.
>
>Don't you think you should just put it behind you and move on?

Let me add, while I'm talking to myself here at this unholy hour, ...
Evelyn, learn from your mistakes and apply what you've learned in the
future. It won't necessarily do you any good to go back to Sears and speak
your mind, but you might have learned something about not letting people
trample on you that you can apply in the future. Do speak your mind. Do
stand up for yourself. But leave those people at Sears where they belong
with their Maintenance Agreements and bad attitudes.

Marie

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>Joe went on about his bidness, and Daddy and I resumed our wait.
>After a few minutes, he turned to me and said, "Son, does it not
>ever bother you that every bartender in town seems to know you?"

I liked the days when I knew most bartenders in town -- meant far more free
drinks!

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On 13 Mar 2003 at 4:35, Marie Ascher wrote:

> Let me add, while I'm talking to myself here at this unholy hour, ...

You always have an audience.

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On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 04:08:59 -0500, Marie Ascher <lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM>
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>I'm wide awake at 4:15 AM. I feel like Natalie. It's really not such a bad
>time of day, after all.
>
>Marie
>   lounge_ascher@hotmail.com

And I'm forcing myself to finally call it a night at 1:54am.  This sort of
thing is a regular occurrence.  Nightowl forever...

Good thing I've never required a lot of sleep; my bedside alarm is set for 6:45.

neal, who really *is* signing off for the night

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Tushar Samant:
= and so forth ... but now the similarity with a dotcom-going-to-hell
= is complete, with the surreal "freedom fries" marketing stunt. Ha
= ha ha ha ha ... we should be thankful for comic relief in times
= like this.
=

I was out with the guys last night, and they took this sillyness
on a bit further out, with freedom kisses, freedom toast, and
naturally freedom letters.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/12/2003 7:15:57 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> <<  Or were
> you toying with my fervent wishes? >>
>
> Nobody is keeping you from ignoring me if that's what's bothering you, dear
> heart! Remember "freedom"? You are allowed as much as I am to practice it,
> right? Theo


        I think I'll take out my frustrations with the horrible
American educational system on you personally instead.
Consider it your contribution to the world.



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        I was up due to some loud thunderstorms.  I must have been in
REM sleep during the storms because I can remember some real
humdinger dreams, among them meeting Ligniere at BrPaul's
apartment, where I was wearing a red running suit (those
kind you see East Euro thugs wearing).

Marie Ascher wrote:

> I'm wide awake at 4:15 AM. I feel like Natalie. It's really not such a bad
> time of day, after all.
>
> Marie
>   lounge_ascher@hotmail.com
>
>
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        The American education system is far different than the
European one.  As somebody who places foriegn exchange
students in American schools and has to work with the two
systems on a regular basis, I am very familiar with these
differences.  I am also very familiar with the educational
backgrounds of both Euro and American teenagers, and there
isn't much difference in their knowledge bases with the one
exception of foriegn langauges.  Many of *my* students take
more than one langauge during their High School careers,
although they don't usually have room in their schedules for
more than one at once.  The American system tends to have
six subjects at a time as opposed to the Euro system which
has nine at a time.  The U.S. also does not kick its lowest
achieving students out of the system at the 6th grade level.

        The U.S. illiteracy rate is under 10%.  In The Netherlands it
is 6%.

        I could go on, but I'm one of "those people" who teach and
thus I must get off my fat ass and go to work and pay my
taxes so that medicare can pay your bills.


Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/12/2003 6:53:07 PM, kaminski@ISTORI.COM writes:
>
> << Yo, Theo -- it ain't about the Iraq affair.
>
> This is what you said: "Jeez, it's no wonder that Americans are considered
> ignorant by the rest of the world," in reference to a dead animal in the dark.
>  >>
>
> Yes, dear. That's what the rest of the world thinks of you, whether you like
> it or not. Let's face it, how big a percentage of Americans can't read? You
> know that's a fact and that I'm not making it up. My oldest daughter was not
> allowed to take an extra language in high school, because she *already* had 5
> subjects. Do you have any idea how many subjects I took? Aside from 3 foreign
> languages that is? She was only allowed one, because as I said, *She already
> took FIVE subjects* sheesh, education is a joke here, afaic. Half the people
> can't read or write, and I'd really like to know how much Bush has learned.
> But I guess I'll never find that out. Will I? Theo
>
>


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>From: steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM>
>I was out with the guys last night, and they took this sillyness
>on a bit further out, with freedom kisses, freedom toast, and
>naturally freedom letters.

BrPaul was giggling over the notion of freedom kisses at SnowBash, though we
didn't get to freedom letters.

Marie


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>From: Neal Traven <beisbol@ALUMNI.PITT.EDU>
> >I'm wide awake at 4:15 AM. I feel like Natalie. It's really not such a
>bad
> >time of day, after all.
>
>And I'm forcing myself to finally call it a night at 1:54am.  This sort of
>thing is a regular occurrence.  Nightowl forever...

I thought I was too. I remember the days when I'd be last man standing
around these parts, but I'm in bed by 10:30 most nights, weeknights anyway
-- and then I read, but that's besides the point.

I've got some extra anxiety these days due to an unpleasantness that being a
Supervisor has brought on at work. I'll get over it, but there has been some
lost sleep in the last two weeks and a general buzz of stress about me.

Marie

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>From: "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@FLEX.COM>
> > Let me add, while I'm talking to myself here at this unholy hour, ...
>
>You always have an audience.

You're sweet. BTW, we talked about YOU at SnowBash too. Everyone was fair
game!

Marie

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>From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
>        I was up due to some loud thunderstorms.  I must have been in
>REM sleep during the storms because

That must be the storm system that is promising to send us more - ugh! -
snow today.

I can remember some real
>humdinger dreams, among them meeting Ligniere at BrPaul's
>apartment, where I was wearing a red running suit (those
>kind you see East Euro thugs wearing).

EuroTrash!

BrPaul lives in a big clackety house.

Marie

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LOL! a great description.

BrP



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A good friend of mine had the perfect comment - muttering "Pardon my freedom"
when hearing the news.

BrP



> >From: steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM>
> >I was out with the guys last night, and they took this sillyness
> >on a bit further out, with freedom kisses, freedom toast, and
> >naturally freedom letters.
>
> BrPaul was giggling over the notion of freedom kisses at SnowBash, though we
> didn't get to freedom letters.
>
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How come it's only the French that are getting this treatment?  Russia and Germany
are siding with France.  Shouldn't we be substituting "freedom" for "Russian" and
"German" as well? Or is it only for the alliterative value ?  I guess it would be too
confusing to have two kinds of "freedom dressing."  But we could at least talk about
the game of "freedom roullette" we're playing.

BrP





> > >From: steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM>
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> > >on a bit further out, with freedom kisses, freedom toast, and
> > >naturally freedom letters.
> >
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Rita:
>         I was up due to some loud thunderstorms.  I must have been in
> REM sleep during the storms because I can remember some real
> humdinger dreams, among them meeting Ligniere at BrPaul's
> apartment, where I was wearing a red running suit (those
> kind you see East Euro thugs wearing).


I love making cameos in people's dreams.

BrP

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> Tushar Samant:
> = and so forth ... but now the similarity with a dotcom-going-to-hell
> = is complete, with the surreal "freedom fries" marketing stunt. Ha
> = ha ha ha ha ... we should be thankful for comic relief in times
> = like this.
> =
>
> I was out with the guys last night, and they took this sillyness
> on a bit further out, with freedom kisses, freedom toast, and
> naturally freedom letters.

I can't help wondering if Bob Ney, Rep from Ohio who had his photo op with the
"freedom fries" sign in the House cafeteria, is a descendant of Michel Ney,  Marshall
in Napoleon's army.


BrP

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Adam is only minutes from the Pike.  Had I known that in the past I certainly would
have stopped there on the way to Providence.

BrP




> Adam,
>
> Thanks for the offer. But if you are booked, I might add confusion
> to your weekend, because I rarely arrive at the time I think I will on
> long drives! I might be passing Exit 4 about lunchtime on Sat, with
> luck. What do you think?
>
> If that's not convenient, I do travel Rt 90 occasionally, since my brother
> lives in Maine and I have colleagues at MIT I check in with now and
> again. Maybe a rain check?
>
> clo
>
>  On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > > Are you booked solid or should we locals consider a meeting, probably over
> > > food and drinks?  Judith and Paul are in Providence, I'm 30 minutes away.
> > > Maybe Adam if he's recovered. /Jim?  Lisa?
> >
> > Not me, I'm booked up this weekend, but if your route takes you on I-90,
> > clo, you're more than welcome to get off Exit 4 in MA and come visit for a
> > spell if the times work out.
> >
> > --Adam
> > adamh1@attbi.com
> >

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> Tushar Samant:
> = and so forth ... but now the similarity with a dotcom-going-to-hell
> = is complete, with the surreal "freedom fries" marketing stunt. Ha
> = ha ha ha ha ... we should be thankful for comic relief in times
> = like this.
> =
>
> I was out with the guys last night, and they took this sillyness
> on a bit further out, with freedom kisses, freedom toast, and
> naturally freedom letters.

Any freedom men present?

         - D. M.

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> On 13 Mar 2003 at 4:35, Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> > Let me add, while I'm talking to myself here at this unholy hour,
...
>
> You always have an audience.
>
Mem, what on earth are you doing, up
in the middle of the night?

            - D. M.

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Doris Markland:
= > Tushar Samant:
= > = and so forth ... but now the similarity with a dotcom-going-to-hell
= > = is complete, with the surreal "freedom fries" marketing stunt. Ha
= > = ha ha ha ha ... we should be thankful for comic relief in times
= > = like this.
= > =
= >
= > I was out with the guys last night, and they took this sillyness
= > on a bit further out, with freedom kisses, freedom toast, and
= > naturally freedom letters.
=
= Any freedom men present?
=
=          - D. M.

Well, actually, by then he had left.

Hmmm.  And in Quebec do we have some freedom Canadians?

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Thursday, March 13, 2003, 12:51:38 AM, Bookrat wrote:
> Wasn't it Karen who hypothesized that Wordslers never leave the list, they
> only go on sabbatical?

I think it was Natalie, but I agree with my whole heart and my
whole mind.

Karen

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One another list I am on, there is speculation that we should
return the Statue of Liberty to the Freedoms who forged it
and gave it to us.

clo

steph wrote:

> Doris Markland:
> = > Tushar Samant:
> = > = and so forth ... but now the similarity with a dotcom-going-to-hell
> = > = is complete, with the surreal "freedom fries" marketing stunt. Ha
> = > = ha ha ha ha ... we should be thankful for comic relief in times
> = > = like this.
> = > =
> = >
> = > I was out with the guys last night, and they took this sillyness
> = > on a bit further out, with freedom kisses, freedom toast, and
> = > naturally freedom letters.
> =
> = Any freedom men present?
> =
> =          - D. M.
>
> Well, actually, by then he had left.
>
> Hmmm.  And in Quebec do we have some freedom Canadians?

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Jeez, we already returned it to New Jrsey.  Isn't that bad enough?


BrP

> One another list I am on, there is speculation that we should
> return the Statue of Liberty to the Freedoms who forged it
> and gave it to us.
>
> clo
>
> steph wrote:
>
> > Doris Markland:
> > = > Tushar Samant:
> > = > = and so forth ... but now the similarity with a dotcom-going-to-hell
> > = > = is complete, with the surreal "freedom fries" marketing stunt. Ha
> > = > = ha ha ha ha ... we should be thankful for comic relief in times
> > = > = like this.
> > = > =
> > = >
> > = > I was out with the guys last night, and they took this sillyness
> > = > on a bit further out, with freedom kisses, freedom toast, and
> > = > naturally freedom letters.
> > =
> > = Any freedom men present?
> > =
> > =          - D. M.
> >
> > Well, actually, by then he had left.
> >
> > Hmmm.  And in Quebec do we have some freedom Canadians?

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At 09:57 AM 3/13/2003 -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>Jeez, we already returned it to New Jrsey.  Isn't that bad enough?

Given what the Bush administration has accomplished so far, the statue has
lost a lot of its meaning, anyhow.

cwv

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The library server seems to have held all outgoing mail for most of the day yesterday -
only burping it all out some time last evening.  Perhaps the time discrepancy between
"sent" and "received" was screwing things up.

BrP




> But there must be something strange with your messages. After reading this
> one, I clicked on the delete-button, and later on tried to find it in the
> Trash-folder, to answer it. It wasn't together with other test-thread
> messages as it should have been, so I used "search" to find it. Then I opened
> it and wanted to file it back to my words-l folder, to this my computer
> reacted showing a window saying, "This program has [...] an illegal operation
> and will be shut down." I haven't had this window for long, so I guess, there
> has some information come together with your message that seemed wrong to the
> computer.
>
> Kristin

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Paul,
I doubt it was the library server. The e-gateway for the university
was downed by what they termed as "an unusually large amount
of spam" (after your message, I checked system alerts).

Sorry to bother the list with it - just want you all to know that
the *library* is innocent in any inconveniences we caused y'all!
clo

"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> The library server seems to have held all outgoing mail for most of the day yesterday -
> only burping it all out some time last evening.  Perhaps the time discrepancy between
> "sent" and "received" was screwing things up.
>
> BrP
>
> > But there must be something strange with your messages.

You're just noticing this NOW???!
clo

> After reading this
> > one, I clicked on the delete-button, and later on tried to find it in the
> > Trash-folder, to answer it. It wasn't together with other test-thread
> > messages as it should have been, so I used "search" to find it. Then I opened
> > it and wanted to file it back to my words-l folder, to this my computer
> > reacted showing a window saying, "This program has [...] an illegal operation
> > and will be shut down." I haven't had this window for long, so I guess, there
> > has some information come together with your message that seemed wrong to the
> > computer.
> >
> > Kristin

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I sent that one from my netscape address after I became aware that sending from the
library address was only so much spitting into the wind.

BrP



> You told us about the problem yesterday already, didn't you? I remember a message of yours,
> so at least it came through.
>
> Kristin

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Aha. Thanks.   I should not have assumed that the library was at fault.  Forgive me
Ernest Stevenson Bird.

BrP



> Paul,
> I doubt it was the library server. The e-gateway for the university
> was downed by what they termed as "an unusually large amount
> of spam" (after your message, I checked system alerts).
>
> Sorry to bother the list with it - just want you all to know that
> the *library* is innocent in any inconveniences we caused y'all!
> clo
>

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> At 09:57 AM 3/13/2003 -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> >Jeez, we already returned it to New Jrsey.  Isn't that bad enough?
>
> Given what the Bush administration has accomplished so far, the statue
has
> lost a lot of its meaning, anyhow.
>
> cwv

Oh for cripes sake.

 And as for the freedom people . . they seem to
be bringing Americans together on at least one thing.

                    - D. M.

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Paul:

> my messages to w-l are not showing up in my inbox.  Is anyone else seeing
> them?

Yes, several.

But there must be something strange with your messages. After reading this
one, I clicked on the delete-button, and later on tried to find it in the
Trash-folder, to answer it. It wasn't together with other test-thread
messages as it should have been, so I used "search" to find it. Then I opened
it and wanted to file it back to my words-l folder, to this my computer
reacted showing a window saying, "This program has [...] an illegal operation
and will be shut down." I haven't had this window for long, so I guess, there
has some information come together with your message that seemed wrong to the
computer.

Kristin

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> The library server seems to have held all outgoing mail for most of the day yesterday -

I'll test as well: the previous message I sent as a reply to Evelyn's, it was where I got
your text, Paul, too (after the appearance of that warning window and after the netscape
was shut down against my will). I'll see what happens when I send this.

You told us about the problem yesterday already, didn't you? I remember a message of yours,
so at least it came through.

Kristin

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What is not normal with it is that lines are not wrapped. Those of my own messages usually are.

Kr.

Kristin Sarv wrote:

> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> > The library server seems to have held all outgoing mail for most of the day yesterday -
>
> I'll test as well: the previous message I sent as a reply to Evelyn's, it was where I got
> your text, Paul, too (after the appearance of that warning window and after the netscape
> was shut down against my will). I'll see what happens when I send this.
>
> You told us about the problem yesterday already, didn't you? I remember a message of yours,
> so at least it came through.
>
> Kristin

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>(after all, it's been pronounced that I'm not a wordsler).

And by, of all people, the perpetual newbie.

Kinda like when I was invested with the title
of WORDS-L Town Drunk by 'Al 'Wild.

--
Richard            a *televised appearance*???

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Karen:
> Once a Wordsler, always a Wordsler. Even Paul Kuritz.

Oooh!  Isn't there some sort of sanitation
ritual you must perform after uttering the
unutterable name?

--
Richard            a *televised appearance*???

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Thursday, March 13, 2003, 9:49:31 AM, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:
> Karen:
>> Once a Wordsler, always a Wordsler. Even Paul Kuritz.

> Oooh!  Isn't there some sort of sanitation
> ritual you must perform after uttering the
> unutterable name?

No, if it were Galmin Stound, that would be different.

Karen

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > > But there must be something strange with your messages.
>
> You're just noticing this NOW???!
> clo

I read  the original test-message of Paul ten minutes ago. I've been away from the computer
for some 20 hours.

Now I'll hurry to my son's school concert, but will back later, for some time.

Kristin

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> Doesn't Annegret still work at Sears?

What kinda Commie name is "Annegret" anyway?

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> No, if it were Galmin Stound, that would be different.

Shouldn't you be taking the vowels out of these names?

Oh, wait, that's "Tushar's" gag.

No, wait again, it's not.  He replaces them with
another token, no?

So we're good to go on this.

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der Nederlander:
>I was out with the guys last night, and they took this sillyness

The things we eat really aren't French fries
anyway, are they?

And, in QP at least, they call egg-bread "pan d'or".

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Adam,

Sorry last night for posting to the list at large, instead of directly to
you - I suppose it's my first e-oops; and luckily it wasn't serious!

Paul says you are quite close to the pike, and I am rethinking - I just
don't want to overpack your weekend if you are really busy. Do you think
you will be free Saturday in late am or early pm? I have no deadline to
meet, so I may actually be able to appear at an appointed place on time,
more or less, if you are free. It would be fun to say hello!

clo

On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

> > Are you booked solid or should we locals consider a meeting, probably over
> > food and drinks?  Judith and Paul are in Providence, I'm 30 minutes away.
> > Maybe Adam if he's recovered. /Jim?  Lisa?
>
> Not me, I'm booked up this weekend, but if your route takes you on I-90,
> clo, you're more than welcome to get off Exit 4 in MA and come visit for a
> spell if the times work out.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com
>

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > > > But there must be something strange with your messages.
> >
> > You're just noticing this NOW???!
> > clo
>
> I read  the original test-message of Paul ten minutes ago. I've been away from the computer
> for some 20 hours.
>
> Now I'll hurry to my son's school concert, but will back later, for some time.
>
> Kristin

Again the clue plane circles hopefully*. It's getting low on gas.

*I know it's non-standard usage by now, but I couldn't resist
an opp to use <hopefully> in its original sense

<sigh>
How many years have you been corresponding with BrP?
And you're just noticing there's  something strange with his
messages NOW!???!
clo

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I gotta start minding my..

> And, in QP at least, they call egg-bread "pan d'or".

I, of course, meant "PQ".

We call it "pan perdu" here.

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At 2:02 AM -0800 3/13/03, steph wrote:
>I was out with the guys last night, and they took this sillyness
>on a bit further out, with freedom kisses, freedom toast, and
>naturally freedom letters.

On the third day of Christmas, our true loves will have to give us three
freedom hens.

We'll have to titilate ourselves with freedom postcards.

The painters among us will have to put freebom blue, freedom grey, freedom
purple, and freedom red on their palettes.

We'll have to nosh on a baguette of freedom bread, our ham-and-ryes will
need to be served on freedom rolls and we'll have to sweeten our desserts
with freedom cream.

We'll have to draw curved lines with freedom curves.

Chess players will have to employ the freedom defence.

We'll need to use freedom dressing on our Salad Nicoise.  But hold on--this
salad is named after a town in F____, so we'll have to rename it Salad
Liberty.

Our orchestras will need to substitute freedom horns.

Our seamstresses will need to sew freedom knots.

The upper class will need to employ freedom maids.

Our houses will need freedom roofs, freedom doors, and freedom windows.

And I haven't even gotten halfway through the first head-word entry in the
OED, but I've got to get ready for work now.

However, it occurs to me that after we finish with the nouns, we'll still
have the place names.  We'll need to redraw an awful lot of maps, what with
all the Freedomburgs, Freedomvilles, and Freedomtowns.

Ken Miller
Assistant Drone
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Doris Markland wrote:
>  And as for the freedom people . . they seem to
> be bringing Americans together on at least one thing.

What is that?

alyce

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> > We call it "pan perdu" here.
> Isn't it 'pain perdu'?

OUCH!

You're right.

--
Richard            a *televised appearance*???

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>--On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 6:51 PM -0500 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU
>wrote:
>
>> I am going on Saturday, and the conference runs Mon - Wed.
>> *counting on fingers* umm, 5 days, more or less.
>> clo
>>
>
>Are you booked solid or should we locals consider a meeting, probably over
>food and drinks?  Judith and Paul are in Providence, I'm 30 minutes away.
>Maybe Adam if he's recovered. /Jim?  Lisa?
>

I expect to be around, and don't know of any committemnts.

/Jim

>Terry

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> Doris Markland wrote:
> >  And as for the freedom people . . they seem to
> > be bringing Americans together on at least one thing.
>
> What is that?
>
> alyce

Having the diversion of playing with
freedom names.

               - D. M.

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> Summary with url's:
>
But when? And, it's snowing.

alyce

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Gerald \"Little Milton\" Bostock wrote:

> > > We call it "pan perdu" here.
> > Isn't it 'pain perdu'?
>
> OUCH!
>
> You're right.
>
> --
> Richard            a *televised appearance*???

Or "Pain Purdue?"
clo

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Thursday, March 13, 2003, 9:55:20 AM, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:

> I gotta start minding my..

>> And, in QP at least, they call egg-bread "pan d'or".

> I, of course, meant "PQ".

> We call it "pan perdu" here.

Isn't it 'pain perdu'?

Karen

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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Summary with url's:

ART
http://www.thearmoryshow.com/index2.php
http://www.nationalacademy.org/museum/dickinson.html

FOOD
http://www.babbonyc.com/
http://www.murraysbagels.com

LODGING
www.wshotel.com

ENTERTAINMENT
http://www.go-brooklyn.com/html/issues/_vol26/26_04/donmar.html
http://tinyurl.com/7c3v

Ann

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On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

> But when? And, it's snowing.

We just returned:  Friday - Tuesday.  It wasn't snowing but there was snow
on the ground, and that ugly frozen slush that makes me nostalgic.

Ann

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On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> > At 09:57 AM 3/13/2003 -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > >Jeez, we already returned it to New Jrsey.  Isn't that bad enough?
> >
> > Given what the Bush administration has accomplished so far, the statue
> has
> > lost a lot of its meaning, anyhow.
> >
> > cwv
>
> Oh for cripes sake.
>
>  And as for the freedom people . . they seem to
> be bringing Americans together on at least one thing.
>
>                     - D. M.
>

What I find interesting and heartening in all of this
is that now <they> are the "Freedom People", which I
thought was supposed to be <us>. I love that,
especially since that makes people who side with
<them> -

Freedom-lovers!

I'm in bed with the Freedoms!
clo

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>Again the clue plane circles hopefully*. It's getting low on gas.
>
>*I know it's non-standard usage by now, but I couldn't resist
>an opp to use <hopefully> in its original sense

>clo


What is non-standard about the use of "hopefully" as a sentence modifier?
It is rather the restriction on its sentence-modifying use that is pedantic
and, in a sense, non-standard.

Clearly, some people don't understand sentence modifiers.  Frankly, that's
their own problem.  Ideally, their clue planes will land sometime.  But
realistically, there will always be pedants.

Ken Miller
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When I talked to Natalie on the phone, I told her that I had
always dismissed her worrywart concerns about ice storms until we
had a big one last month.  It crippled this medium-sized city --
100,000+ people without power for a week or more.  Our news was
upstaged by the record snowfalls in the Northeast, but it was
awful.  Daddy and I retreated several counties away for several
days, once we got the fallen tree chain-sawed and removed from
our driveway.  There was no room at the inn for miles in every
direction.  But people helped each other out.

The tree was our neighbor's Bradford pear (ironically, planted by
Daddy himself years ago).  Once urban forestry's darling
ornamental tree, its limitations became apparent with time:  in
the springtime it becomes a favorite roost for nuisance birds,
and it falls over after a few years anyway.  All of them in
Lexington fell over in the ice storm; the newspaper asked if
there was a champion survivor and got no takers, coming up with
the slogan, "Banish the Bradford!"  There oughta be a tee shirt.

brad

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On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Bookrat wrote:

>Clearly, some people don't understand sentence modifiers.  Frankly, that's
>their own problem.  Ideally, their clue planes will land sometime.  But
>realistically, there will always be pedants.

Amen, bro'!

Bethany

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Ann Borkin wrote:
> We just returned:  Friday - Tuesday.

Can you give a better and more detailed report than just URLs?

alyce

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Among a jillion other things, he wrote Spartacus. He was black-listed by
HUAC, and his books were removed from libraries. They've crept back,
though.
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alyce

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On 13 Mar 2003 at 7:39, Marie Ascher wrote:

> You're sweet. BTW, we talked about YOU at SnowBash too.

I'm confident there was precious little to say, but just to have my
name upon your sweet lips is a source of joy beyond compare.


     mem

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On 13 Mar 2003 at 7:37, Doris Markland wrote:

> Mem, what on earth are you doing, up
> in the middle of the night?

It's easy.

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At 08:12 PM 3/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > class for the day.  A long day it was.  I *really* wanted to be at the
> > Snowbash... $#!+...   Please accept my apologies, Adam...
>
>No apologies needed. See you at SB7 in 2004.

What is the date?

Betty

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Marie wrote:
> > I'm wide awake at 4:15 AM. I feel like Natalie. It's really not such a bad
> > time of day, after all.

I was up then, too. Went out and fed the birds so they'd have food first
thing (deer ate all that was out there yesterday afternoon), but then
went back to bed.

alyce

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> On 13 Mar 2003 at 7:37, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Mem, what on earth are you doing, up
> > in the middle of the night?
>
> It's easy.

Nonsequitur of the 2d half of the week.
clo

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At 03:51 AM 3/12/2003 -0500, Neal Traven wrote:
>ML is not pictured in the Wordstock group photo, but she's in the Slugfest
>one.
>
>neal

I really enjoyed meeting her at Slugfest. I didn't go to Wordstock but I
have the t-shirt.

Seeing the photo reminds me that we missed Hannum's birthday!  Hope it was
a good one.

Remembering passing around the bottle,
Betty

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My problem is slightly different--I am getting too many "Paul
Barfoot" posts in my inbox.

I must say those guys at the university are pretty well-mannered,
talking about "an unusually large amount of spam".

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At 07:52 AM 3/12/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 7:13:27 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> >>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> >> > He doesn't. Paul giggles. Karen's laugh is much <bigger>.
> >>
> >>I giggle, too.
> >>
> >>I think Paul must have been <holding back> for some reason. I
> >>have heard him laugh <big>.
> >>
> >>But I'm still delighted to think that Mine Is Bigger Than His.:)
>
> > His is Cuter, though.
>
>Oh, twist the knife some more, Marie!


Did he break anything, Adam?

Betty

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02003-03-12 | Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> writes:
> Tushar pronounced me a mere "pretender to wordslarity"

Sure, I wanted to pronounce "wordslarity" ...

> Wasn't it Karen who hypothesized that Wordslers never leave the list,
> they only go on sabbatical?

That is a far-reaching hypothesis. It implies nothing less
than "wordsler" can be always be replaced by "loser" ...

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At 04:24 PM 3/12/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
>>In a message dated 3/12/2003 2:47:32 PM, bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:
>>
>><< >A long stick, give it a poke.  If it just flops, it's dead.  If unsure,
>>
>>>give it a couple of pokes.  A broomhandle will do.
>>>Terry
>>
>>Make a loud noise and if it doesn't move you have your first clue.
>>  >>
>>
>>But that requires using logic, Bonnie. Evidently Karen isn't able to use it.
>>I know I'm not allowed to say anything that may be offensive to my *friends*
>>according to Alyce. Well, so be it. Just say the word, and I'll leave
>>forever. Theo
>
>
>        Theo, you need to decide which country you live in. But yes,
>I would love it if you left the list.  Sometimes you are
>just so frickin' stupid, I can't help picking on you, and I
>always regret it, but there you have it.  You know, like
>when you claim to be a computer expert, but can't figure out
>what a 404 error is or even how to subscribe and unsubscribe
>yourself from a mailing list.
>
>        I'll repent later on.
>
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>


I agree. Theo,  GO AWAY!!!



alec  - who almost never repents.

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02003-03-13 | Gerald Little Milton Bostock <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> The things we eat really aren't French fries
> anyway, are they?

I asked around if anybody has ever says *French* fries.
Of course not ... they say "fries".

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At 01:18 PM 3/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>  The sentence is "I uphold my solutions to
> > problems", but I want to use a more common word than 'uphold'.
> > Except I can't think of one. Help?
>
>
>OK, after pondering this for 3-4 hours, I have decided that it is meant
>to say, "I stand by my solutions to problems."
>
>alyce

Let me see if I have to right.  You have a job and you now want us to do it
for you??

Dead Bird Betty

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02003-03-12 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> Oh, Theo, I don't want you to go!

Now that both sides on the issue hav been expressed, let
me come out looking extremely saintly by saying I don't
care either way, and I don't know why people have such
strong feelings, go forth and live life and BE.

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02003-03-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>
> Once a Wordsler, always a Wordsler.

LAME

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Your sister is arriving today, right?

Betty
> Marie wrote:
> > > I'm wide awake at 4:15 AM. I feel like Natalie. It's really not such a bad
> > > time of day, after all.
>
> I was up then, too. Went out and fed the birds so they'd have food first
> thing (deer ate all that was out there yesterday afternoon), but then
> went back to bed.
>
> alyce

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02003-03-13 | Marie Ascher <lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Let me add, while I'm talking to myself here at this unholy hour, ...
> Evelyn, learn from your mistakes and apply what you've learned in the
> future. It won't necessarily do you any good to go back to Sears and speak
> your mind, but you might have learned something about not letting people
> trample on you that you can apply in the future. Do speak your mind. Do
> stand up for yourself. But leave those people at Sears where they belong
> with their Maintenance Agreements and bad attitudes.

I agree, this "speaking your mind" after the fact does absolutely
nothing for you. You could try it but it is almost certain that it
will leave you feeling lame and foolish. That said, I think talking
to oneself at an unholy hour is pretty damn weird too.

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02003-03-13 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:

> On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Bookrat wrote:
> >there will always be pedants.
>
> Amen, bro'!

I agree!

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ohmygod!
> Summary with url's:
>
> ART
> http://www.thearmoryshow.com/index2.php
> http://www.nationalacademy.org/museum/dickinson.html
>
> FOOD
> http://www.babbonyc.com/
> http://www.murraysbagels.com
>
> LODGING
> www.wshotel.com
>
> ENTERTAINMENT
> http://www.go-brooklyn.com/html/issues/_vol26/26_04/donmar.html
> http://tinyurl.com/7c3v
>
> Ann

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02003-03-13 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Ann Borkin wrote:
> > We just returned:  Friday - Tuesday.
>
> Can you give a better and more detailed report than just URLs?

I think Pete read in some visionary book that a bulk of future
communication will consist entirely of URL citations.

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> My problem is slightly different--I am getting too many "Paul
> Barfoot" posts in my inbox.


There's always killfile.

BrPPaul R. Barfoot
Special Collections
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Bookrat wrote:

> >Again the clue plane circles hopefully*. It's getting low on gas.
> >
> >*I know it's non-standard usage by now, but I couldn't resist
> >an opp to use <hopefully> in its original sense
>
> >clo
>
> What is non-standard about the use of "hopefully" as a sentence modifier?
> It is rather the restriction on its sentence-modifying use that is pedantic
> and, in a sense, non-standard.

lol!
When is the last time *you* heard someone publicly use "hopefully"
to describe an actual state of mind, rather than to announce a
tentative future event? (besides yourself). Of course I realize that
anthropomorphizing the clue plane is itself problematic....
clo

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BB Clark wrote:
>
> Your sister is arriving today, right?
>
Supposed to. However, she is terrified of driving in the snow, so I am
guessing she will stay at a motel in Albany till tomorrow. We checked
the long-range weather reports carefully and this was to be a safe day.
But no. Warm and sunny yesterday and tomorrow, but not today.

Biopsy is a week froom tomorrow. Results on the 24th.

alyce

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> 02003-03-13 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> > Ann Borkin wrote:
> > > We just returned:  Friday - Tuesday.
> >
> > Can you give a better and more detailed report than just URLs?
>
> I think Pete read in some visionary book that a bulk of future
> communication will consist entirely of URL citations.

future?

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Clo:

> >Again the clue plane circles hopefully*. It's getting low on gas.
> >

Boo:

>   Ideally, their clue planes will land sometime.

The clue plane slightly touched the land before I left. But I had no time to
make sure whether it was the right airport.

>>You're just noticing this NOW???!

Could you, please, mention any single message sender here who is not a bit
strange? ;-)

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Clo:
>
> > >Again the clue plane circles hopefully*. It's getting low on gas.
> > >
>
> Boo:
>
> >   Ideally, their clue planes will land sometime.
>
> The clue plane slightly touched the land before I left. But I had no time to
> make sure whether it was the right airport.

I did notice that you said you had only 10 minutes to read - and
knowing how prolific the list is, it crossed my mind that it was
unfair - too late, too late, alas! the "sent" button had been depressed.

> >>You're just noticing this NOW???!
>
> Could you, please, mention any single message sender here who is not a bit
> strange? ;-)

wildly casting about, but restrained by the terrible lashing received the last
time I tried to pay a compliment to Tushar -
humbly,
well....... no.

clo

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> I recommended a librarian look for an out of print book using
> bookfinder.com. He wrote down "bookfinders.com" (with an s). Apparently
> that's a porn site. Perhaps Alyce mentioned this here, I don't know. But the
> part of the story I found funny, was when he came to ask me how sure I was
> about that URL (and I assured him that I was not sexual harassing him), he
> told me, you know I see the three X's appear and I think, this can't be
> right, a web page about the Super Bowl?


or about Amsterdam


BrP




> Marie
>    lounge_ascher@hotmail.com

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Thanks Alyce. We have a huge collection of radical literature here and Fast was one
of our <buddies>.  I feel like I know these old rads (living and dead) like old friends
since I spend so much time with them.

BrP




> Among a jillion other things, he wrote Spartacus. He was black-listed by
> HUAC, and his books were removed from libraries. They've crept back,
> though.
> --
> alyce

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It is a dangerous dangerous game you play when you try to compliment the elephant
boy.


BrP




> wildly casting about, but restrained by the terrible lashing received the last
> time I tried to pay a compliment to Tushar -
> humbly,
> well....... no.
>
> clo

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Why do they have to be single?




>
> Could you, please, mention any single message sender here who is not a bit
> strange? ;-)
>
> Kristin

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> Why do they have to be single?
>
> >
> > Could you, please, mention any single message sender here who is not a bit
> > strange? ;-)

ok, any paired msg sender, any multiple msg sender... what else? any plural
sender? no, that's not that...

Kr.

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The messages I have sent today are appearing on the list in random (so it would
seem) order.  Some thing show up right away and others take 10 minutes, half an
hour, or longer to show up.  It's all very confusing.

BrP

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I recommended a librarian look for an out of print book using
bookfinder.com. He wrote down "bookfinders.com" (with an s). Apparently
that's a porn site. Perhaps Alyce mentioned this here, I don't know. But the
part of the story I found funny, was when he came to ask me how sure I was
about that URL (and I assured him that I was not sexual harassing him), he
told me, you know I see the three X's appear and I think, this can't be
right, a web page about the Super Bowl?

Marie
   lounge_ascher@hotmail.com




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=
= Could you, please, mention any single message sender here who is not a bit
= strange? ;-)
=
= Kristin

Me.  I'm really strange.

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steph wrote:

> = Could you, please, mention any single message sender here who is not a bit
> = strange? ;-)
> =
> = Kristin
>
> Me.  I'm really strange.

Yeah, I've noticed! :)

But I cannot forgive myself that I could not arrange meeting Your Strangeness in
summer in Amsterdam. The travel fever I had, and then I just lost all courage:
what if I cannot utter a word... Silly me.

Kristin

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> At 07:52 AM 3/12/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 7:13:27 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> > >>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> > >> > He doesn't. Paul giggles. Karen's laugh is much <bigger>.
> > >>
> > >>I giggle, too.
> > >>
> > >>I think Paul must have been <holding back> for some reason. I
> > >>have heard him laugh <big>.
> > >>
> > >>But I'm still delighted to think that Mine Is Bigger Than His.:)
> >
> > > His is Cuter, though.
> >
> >Oh, twist the knife some more, Marie!
>
>
> Did he break anything, Adam?
>
> Betty

wind

BrP

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There. There.  It'll be okay.

Betty
> The messages I have sent today are appearing on the list in random (so it would
> seem) order.  Some thing show up right away and others take 10 minutes, half an
> hour, or longer to show up.  It's all very confusing.
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> BrP

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Yay!
> 02003-03-13 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
>
> > On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Bookrat wrote:
> > >there will always be pedants.
> >
> > Amen, bro'!
>
> I agree!

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  http://bernie.house.gov/documents/releases/20030306181342.asp
For Immediate Release, 3/6/2003
Sanders Introduces "Freedom To Read Protection Act"

Bill Would Stop Patriot Act Gov't Monitoring of Library/Bookstore
Records

Washington, DC- Congressman Bernie Sanders (I-VT), members of the
American
Library Association and Representatives from the American Booksellers
Foundation for Free Expression announced at a press conference today the
introduction of Sanders' "Freedom to Read Protection Act." The
legislation
would exempt libraries and booksellers from provisions of the USA
Patriot
Act that allow the federal government to access library or bookstore
records
without having to get a traditional search warrant. Sanders and other
congressional sponsors of the bill believe that the legislation is
needed to
protect Americans' constitutionally guaranteed right to read and access
information without governmental intrusion or monitoring.
--
alyce

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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02003-03-13 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > 02003-03-13 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> > > Ann Borkin wrote:
> > > > We just returned:  Friday - Tuesday.
> > >
> > > Can you give a better and more detailed report than just URLs?
> >
> > I think Pete read in some visionary book that a bulk of future
> > communication will consist entirely of URL citations.
>
> future?

<http://www.bartleby.com/61/68/F0376800.html>

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Thursday, March 13, 2003, 2:28:56 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Well, I am too busy *living*, so I will leave the paranoid
> girls, you and Bernie, to your chitchat while I enjoy the
> season.

It's 81 degrees; I'm going to mow the lawn.

Karen

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Thursday, March 13, 2003, 2:41:08 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> What season would that be?
> Snow and a low of 10 degrees predicted for tonight.

It's 81 here...

Karen

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Thursday, March 13, 2003, 11:44:04 AM, Betty Clark wrote:

> At 01:18 PM 3/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>  The sentence is "I uphold my solutions to
>> > problems", but I want to use a more common word than 'uphold'.
>> > Except I can't think of one. Help?
>>
>>
>>OK, after pondering this for 3-4 hours, I have decided that it is meant
>>to say, "I stand by my solutions to problems."
>>
>>alyce

> Let me see if I have to right.

I dunno; you may have to left!

> You have a job and you now want us to do it for you??

No, I wanted you to HELP me do my job.

Karen

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Thursday, March 13, 2003, 12:26:33 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Biopsy is a week froom tomorrow. Results on the 24th.

Fingers crossed!

Karen

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You get up late.  Mine is set for 5:15 a.m.

I always think of you on Thursdays, Neal, because that is when I see your cousin
at our Medical lecture.

Betty
> On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 04:08:59 -0500, Marie Ascher <lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
>
> >I'm wide awake at 4:15 AM. I feel like Natalie. It's really not such a bad
> >time of day, after all.
> >
> >Marie
> >   lounge_ascher@hotmail.com
>
> And I'm forcing myself to finally call it a night at 1:54am.  This sort of
> thing is a regular occurrence.  Nightowl forever...
>
> Good thing I've never required a lot of sleep; my bedside alarm is set for 6:45.
>
> neal, who really *is* signing off for the night

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Thursday, March 13, 2003, 12:26:33 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> > Biopsy is a week froom tomorrow. Results on the 24th.
>
> Fingers crossed!

Thanks. Berta is in ALbany trying to decide whether to drive here or
stay there. About 4-6" of snow.

alyce

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Sure it is!  You've done other weird flights over the fourth!
>
> neal, wondering whether it's possible to go from Seattle to Denver (for
> SABR, 7/9-13) via Maine

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What season would that be?
Snow and a low of 10 degrees predicted for tonight.
clo

Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-13 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> > http://bernie.house.gov/documents/releases/20030306181342.asp
> > For Immediate Release, 3/6/2003
> > Sanders Introduces "Freedom To Read Protection Act"
> >
> > Bill Would Stop Patriot Act Gov't Monitoring of Library/Bookstore
> > Records
>
> Well, I am too busy *living*, so I will leave the paranoid
> girls, you and Bernie, to your chitchat while I enjoy the
> season.

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> Thursday, March 13, 2003, 12:26:33 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> > Biopsy is a week froom tomorrow. Results on the 24th.
>
> Fingers crossed!
>
> Karen

Toes crossed!

     - D. M.

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Thursday, March 13, 2003, 11:38:49 AM, Betty Clark wrote:

> At 07:52 AM 3/12/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 7:13:27 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> >>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>> >> > He doesn't. Paul giggles. Karen's laugh is much <bigger>.
>> >>
>> >>I giggle, too.
>> >>
>> >>I think Paul must have been <holding back> for some reason. I
>> >>have heard him laugh <big>.
>> >>
>> >>But I'm still delighted to think that Mine Is Bigger Than His.:)
>>
>> > His is Cuter, though.
>>
>>Oh, twist the knife some more, Marie!


> Did he break anything, Adam?

I only break things in public places.

Karen

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Thursday, March 13, 2003, 7:35:56 AM, Brad Grissom wrote:
> All of them in Lexington fell over in the ice storm; the
> newspaper asked if there was a champion survivor and got no
> takers, coming up with the slogan, "Banish the Bradford!" There
> oughta be a tee shirt.

Bradford pears suck big time. Glad yours is gone.

Karen

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Like this?
clo

Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-13 | BB Clark <bfclark2@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> > There. There.  It'll be okay.
> >
> > Betty
> > > The messages I have sent today are appearing on the list in random (so
> > > it would seem) order.  Some thing show up right away and others take 10
> > > minutes, half an hour, or longer to show up.  It's all very confusing.
> > >
> > > BrP
>
> I agree. It's a lot better than quoted material and responses
> appearing in random order.

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02003-03-13 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> http://bernie.house.gov/documents/releases/20030306181342.asp
> For Immediate Release, 3/6/2003
> Sanders Introduces "Freedom To Read Protection Act"
>
> Bill Would Stop Patriot Act Gov't Monitoring of Library/Bookstore
> Records

Well, I am too busy *living*, so I will leave the paranoid
girls, you and Bernie, to your chitchat while I enjoy the
season.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> Well, I am too busy *living*, so I will leave the paranoid
> girls, you and Bernie, to your chitchat while I enjoy the
> season.

I wish you every happiness in your *living.*

alyce


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02003-03-13 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > My problem is slightly different--I am getting too many "Paul
> > Barfoot" posts in my inbox.
>
>
> There's always killfile.

Do you mean <http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/k.html#kill_file>?

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02003-03-13 | BB Clark <bfclark2@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> There. There.  It'll be okay.
>
> Betty
> > The messages I have sent today are appearing on the list in random (so
> > it would seem) order.  Some thing show up right away and others take 10
> > minutes, half an hour, or longer to show up.  It's all very confusing.
> >
> > BrP

I agree. It's a lot better than quoted material and responses
appearing in random order.

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They're predicting temp above 50f here for saturday.  It will be the first time since
Dec 20 that we have been there.

I'll be in Toronto.


BrP





> What season would that be?
> Snow and a low of 10 degrees predicted for tonight.
> clo
>
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-03-13 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> > > http://bernie.house.gov/documents/releases/20030306181342.asp
> > > For Immediate Release, 3/6/2003
> > > Sanders Introduces "Freedom To Read Protection Act"
> > >
> > > Bill Would Stop Patriot Act Gov't Monitoring of Library/Bookstore
> > > Records
> >
> > Well, I am too busy *living*, so I will leave the paranoid
> > girls, you and Bernie, to your chitchat while I enjoy the
> > season.

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Evil Twins on the web! http://www.rahul.net/karen/eviltwins.html

Gosh, it's hard to tell which is who. I'm the one wearing the
dress, I think.

Karen

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>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>Evil Twins on the web! http://www.rahul.net/karen/eviltwins.html
>
>Gosh, it's hard to tell which is who. I'm the one wearing the
>dress, I think.

The pictures aren't showing up for me. Maybe it is true that the two of you
can't be seen in the same place at the same time.

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>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>Now that both sides on the issue hav been expressed, let
>me come out looking extremely saintly by saying I don't
>care either way, and I don't know why people have such
>strong feelings, go forth and live life and BE.

Yay! Me too!


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Thursday, March 13, 2003, 3:06:39 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> The pictures aren't showing up for me. Maybe it is true that the two of you
> can't be seen in the same place at the same time.

Poop. So much for Microsoft. I trusted Bill's html.

If you have Netscape, they came up for me in Netscape, but not in
IE. I won't have time to monkey with it till late tomorrow or
over the weekend.

Karen

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Hmmm.  I get no pics just the word art

and I was anxious to see who was wearing the dress

BrP





> Evil Twins on the web! http://www.rahul.net/karen/eviltwins.html
>
> Gosh, it's hard to tell which is who. I'm the one wearing the
> dress, I think.
>
> Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
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>
>Evil Twins on the web! http://www.rahul.net/karen/eviltwins.html
>
>Gosh, it's hard to tell which is who. I'm the one wearing the
>dress, I think.
>
>Karen
>

Works in Opera and Netscape. Not IE.


alec

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>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>Poop. So much for Microsoft. I trusted Bill's html.

That is some ugly-ass code.

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On 13 Mar 2003 at 15:10, Karen Kay wrote:

> If you have Netscape, they came up for me in Netscape, but not in
> IE.

Worked that way for me, too: okay in Mozilla but a no-show in MSIE.
But, Jesus, look at the amount of stuff MS Word generated just to
display that simple page. And the MS browser can't handle it.
Beautiful.


    mem

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I ssaw it! I saw it!
clo

Karen Kay wrote:

> Evil Twins on the web! http://www.rahul.net/karen/eviltwins.html
>
> Gosh, it's hard to tell which is who. I'm the one wearing the
> dress, I think.
>
> Karen

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btw clo, the pic on the right (the one not wearing a dress) was taken at a place very
familiar to you on Owasco Lake.

:-)

BrP



> I ssaw it! I saw it!
> clo
>
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Evil Twins on the web! http://www.rahul.net/karen/eviltwins.html
> >
> > Gosh, it's hard to tell which is who. I'm the one wearing the
> > dress, I think.
> >
> > Karen

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Thursday, March 13, 2003, 3:07:34 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> Hmmm.  I get no pics just the word art

> and I was anxious to see who was wearing the dress

You know what you were wearing, friend of all...

Isn't your hair the same color now that it was then?

Karen

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I have an Emil Premru story... we were <there> when I was a
baby, and I wouldn't leave the serving bowl of jello alone, so
my mother kept moving it. Emil quietly went out to the kitchen
and came back with one of those *huge* bowls they had, filled
with the stuff... set me down in it and told my Mom
"You leave her alone - that's how children learn!"

PS to this day I can't stand the sight of jello.

"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> btw clo, the pic on the right (the one not wearing a dress) was taken at a place very
> familiar to you on Owasco Lake.
>
> :-)

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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>I have an Emil Premru story... we were <there> when I was a
>baby, and I wouldn't leave the serving bowl of jello alone, so
>my mother kept moving it. Emil quietly went out to the kitchen
>and came back with one of those *huge* bowls they had, filled
>with the stuff... set me down in it and told my Mom
>"You leave her alone - that's how children learn!"
>
>PS to this day I can't stand the sight of jello.
>
>"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
>> btw clo, the pic on the right (the one not wearing a dress)
>was taken at a place very
>> familiar to you on Owasco Lake.
>>
>> :-)
>

Who is Emil?


alec


------------
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plotkina@isc.upenn.edu

"Peace cannot be kept by force.  It can only be achieved by understanding" -
Albert Einstein

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Emil was a very gentle character from BrPaul's and my collective
past, a minister who loved singing very silly songs and wore
a series of astounding bow ties. Sorry. One should never drag
specifics about strangers into general tales. I mentioned him to
amuse BrPaul, but told the story to explain an aspect of his
evil-twin-ness; we were raised in tangential circles.
clo

"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >I have an Emil Premru story... we were <there> when I was a
> >baby, and I wouldn't leave the serving bowl of jello alone, so
> >my mother kept moving it. Emil quietly went out to the kitchen
> >and came back with one of those *huge* bowls they had, filled
> >with the stuff... set me down in it and told my Mom
> >"You leave her alone - that's how children learn!"
> >
> >PS to this day I can't stand the sight of jello.
> >
> >"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> >
> >> btw clo, the pic on the right (the one not wearing a dress)
> >was taken at a place very
> >> familiar to you on Owasco Lake.
> >>
> >> :-)
> >
>
> Who is Emil?
>
> alec
>
> ------------
> Alec D. Plotkin
> plotkina@isc.upenn.edu
>
> "Peace cannot be kept by force.  It can only be achieved by understanding" -
> Albert Einstein

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On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 06:27 , Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Alan Wild wrote:
>
>> I read that 20% of the profits go to Palestinian and European charities.
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2640259.stm
>
> from the article: "...and 10% to European NGOs."
>
> What is NGO?

Non Govermental Organisations such as Médecins sans Frontières. Aid
organisations which are not set up or funded directly by governments.

>
> Kristin
>
Roy

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02003-03-13 | Marie Ascher <lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> >Now that both sides on the issue hav been expressed, let
> >me come out looking extremely saintly by saying I don't
> >care either way, and I don't know why people have such
> >strong feelings, go forth and live life and BE.
>
> Yay! Me too!

Yay!

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02003-03-13 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> What season would that be?
> Snow and a low of 10 degrees predicted for tonight.
> clo

Is this a compliment? Because if it is, you are fried sunny side
up, lady ...


> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-03-13 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> > > http://bernie.house.gov/documents/releases/20030306181342.asp
> > > For Immediate Release, 3/6/2003
> > > Sanders Introduces "Freedom To Read Protection Act"
> > >
> > > Bill Would Stop Patriot Act Gov't Monitoring of Library/Bookstore
> > > Records
> >
> > Well, I am too busy *living*, so I will leave the paranoid
> > girls, you and Bernie, to your chitchat while I enjoy the
> > season.

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02003-03-13 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Well, I am too busy *living*, so I will leave the paranoid
> > girls, you and Bernie, to your chitchat while I enjoy the
> > season.
>
> I wish you every happiness in your *living.*

YaY! Same to you!

BTW, what's the temperature in Austin right now? Do you
have any guesses? Wonder if it is warm enough to mow
the lawn.

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02003-03-13 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Like this?
YaY! You got it!

> clo
>
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-03-13 | BB Clark <bfclark2@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> > > There. There.  It'll be okay.

> > > Betty
> > > > The messages I have sent today are appearing on the list in random (so
> > > > it would seem) order.  Some thing show up right away and others take 10
> > > > minutes, half an hour, or longer to show up.  It's all very confusing.
> > > >
> > > > BrP
> >
> > I agree. It's a lot better than quoted material and responses
> > appearing in random order.

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In a message dated 3/13/2003 1:26:58 PM, dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

<< > Thursday, March 13, 2003, 12:26:33 PM, alyce cresap wrote:

> > Biopsy is a week froom tomorrow. Results on the 24th.

>

 >>

I'm rooting for good results with every fiber that's working in my busted
body.
Theo

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In a message dated 3/13/2003 1:49:09 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Tushar Samant wrote:
> Well, I am too busy *living*, so I will leave the paranoid
> girls, you and Bernie, to your chitchat while I enjoy the
> season.
 >>

I envy you your *living*. But I wish you every happiness you are able to get
from it, Theo

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02003-03-13 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 3/13/2003 1:49:09 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:
>
> << Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Well, I am too busy *living*, so I will leave the paranoid
> > girls, you and Bernie, to your chitchat while I enjoy the
> > season.
>  >>
>
> I envy you your *living*. But I wish you every happiness you are able to get
> from it, Theo

Exactly what I was about to tell Alyce myself. Thanks for
doing it ....HUGZ

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On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

> Can you give a better and more detailed report than just URLs?

I don't have time or patience for a report but I will give you one detail
for every URL.

ART
http://www.thearmoryshow.com/index2.php

WOW this was crowded with too much to see.  Every booth had either a
skinny beauty or a thin wan pale man.

http://www.nationalacademy.org/museum/dickinson.html

WOW Edward Dickinson is a painter I'd never heard of but I sure liked him
better than I would've like the Cremaster show at the Guggenheim.

FOOD
http://www.babbonyc.com/

WOW they say this is Italian food but WOW it tastes like EuroCalifornian
to me WOW it was good.  Had the multimillionaire tasting menu with wines.

http://www.murraysbagels.com

WOW I love NY bagels.

LODGING
www.wshotel.com

WOW they have small hot rooms.  Good location though.

ENTERTAINMENT
http://www.go-brooklyn.com/html/issues/_vol26/26_04/donmar.html

YAWN I don't think I can do theatre any more.

http://tinyurl.com/7c3v

HEY some guy was sitting on me.

Ann

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In a message dated 3/13/2003 2:10:43 PM, lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< >From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>Now that both sides on the issue hav been expressed, let
>me come out looking extremely saintly by saying I don't
>care either way, and I don't know why people have such
>strong feelings, go forth and live life and BE.
 >>

You wouldn't talk that way and be happy when your house and belongings were
destroyed by enemy attacks, now would you? The way Bush has been willing to
attack Iraq, and if he REALLY is that dangerous that would be a big
possibility. Of course NOBODY would attack us because we are the biggest,
strongest country in this world. aren't we? But what if he got help from the
rest of that world that's against us?
Just wondering, Theo

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It's beginning to look like we have turned the corner on winter.  Although
it is rather cold today (especialy with the wind chill) and March here is
notorious for the 14-inch surprise, things are looking up.  We now can see
some bare ground around here---on the southerly-exposed reaches.  The town
has found most of the storm drains and freed them from the winter
accumulation of snow and ice, so maybe the next rain and subsequent freeze
won't turn the streets into skating rinks.

The birds are more active.  The bluejays have unlimbered their entire
repertoire of songs.  A pair of mourning doves is again establishing
residence near our house---Sere especially seems to be taken with the
doves; she sits outside on our walks and sings to the doves, who refuse to
come down and play.  I think I heard a cardinal the other day, but never
could spot him.

The fluorescent orange signs warning of frost heaves, bumps, and weight
limitations have sprung up on telephone and power poles along most of the
roads.  Between the frost heaves and the potholes, automotive travel is
sometimes adventuresome.  The road crews are trying to at least temporarily
patch the potholes, but with things warming up, they have trouble keeping up.

And finally, the real indication of approaching spring:  today, the ladies
were sitting on the window ledge inside the Bar Harbor Gift Shop, beginning
to unpack this year's selection of offerings.

cwv

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02003-03-13 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 3/13/2003 2:10:43 PM, lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
>
> << >From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> >Now that both sides on the issue hav been expressed, let
> >me come out looking extremely saintly by saying I don't
> >care either way, and I don't know why people have such
> >strong feelings, go forth and live life and BE.
>  >>
>
> You wouldn't talk that way and be happy when your house and belongings were
> destroyed by enemy attacks, now would you? The way Bush has been willing to
> attack Iraq, and if he REALLY is that dangerous that would be a big
> possibility. Of course NOBODY would attack us because we are the biggest,
> strongest country in this world. aren't we? But what if he got help from the
> rest of that world that's against us?
> Just wondering, Theo

I'm happy to leave the wondering to paranoid girls!

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02003-03-13 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> WOW Edward Dickinson is a painter I'd never heard of but I sure liked him
> better than I would've like the Cremaster show at the Guggenheim.

Cremaster show was a real show?

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On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-13 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > WOW Edward Dickinson is a painter I'd never heard of but I sure liked him
> > better than I would've like the Cremaster show at the Guggenheim.
>
> Cremaster show was a real show?

http://www.guggenheim.org/exhibitions/barney/

Ann

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> Doesn't Annegret still work at Sears?>
> Yes.  So does Erin.
>
> Evelyn Duncan

So, you still have a chance to speak your mind to them.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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In a message dated 3/13/2003 5:48:44 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<< I'm happy to leave the wondering to paranoid girls! >>

Yes, paranoid *girls* would be doing that. But I'm a fullgrown woman, who has
lived many years, and already survived one war. I'm not eager to have to live
through another one, but you evidently are eager to do so. That shows your
immaturity to me, and to the rest of the world that's more mature. This is
the last you'll be hearing from me on this subject, because I realize you,
and all of you, eager for destroying many innocent people in the process, are
unable to listen to reason. So go ahead, sit back and let Bush have his way.
When the *shit* starts, don't tell me you weren't warned. Theo

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> But you know that under 90 or so is better.

Cite, please. All the literature I've seen points to 2 hour post-prandial
readings under 140 (and that's the lowest of the various numbers) as being
the goal. My fasting blood glucose is between 90 and 110. My glycosolated
hemoglobin (I think, the HbA1c) test has been 4.7 for the past 6 months, and
that's even a bit low for non-diabetics from what I understand.

> neal, wondering whether it's possible to go from Seattle to Denver (for
> SABR, 7/9-13) via Maine

This reminds me, there was a column about SABR in the sports section of the
daily rag a few weeks ago. We have our own chapter here in Springfield,
which I did not know.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> Thanks for the offer. But if you are booked, I might add confusion
> to your weekend, because I rarely arrive at the time I think I will on
> long drives! I might be passing Exit 4 about lunchtime on Sat, with
> luck. What do you think?

No good, I'll be in East Longmeadow, far from the Pike at that time. :(

> If that's not convenient, I do travel Rt 90 occasionally, since my brother
> lives in Maine and I have colleagues at MIT I check in with now and
> again. Maybe a rain check?

Sure. I work not far from exit 6, so perhaps on your way back we could set
something up.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> Evil Twins on the web! http://www.rahul.net/karen/eviltwins.html

Since nobody could see those, they have been ripped off and pasted
sloppily at <http://www.words-l.org/bestof03.html> ... "enjoy"

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02003-03-13 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 3/13/2003 5:48:44 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> << I'm happy to leave the wondering to paranoid girls! >>
>
> Yes, paranoid *girls* would be doing that. But I'm a fullgrown woman, who has
> lived many years, and already survived one war. I'm not eager to have to live
> through another one, but you evidently are eager to do so. That shows your
> immaturity to me, and to the rest of the world that's more mature. This is
> the last you'll be hearing from me on this subject, because I realize you,
> and all of you, eager for destroying many innocent people in the process, are
> unable to listen to reason. So go ahead, sit back and let Bush have his way.
> When the *shit* starts, don't tell me you weren't warned. Theo

Actually I already consider myself warned. I am always on the
lookout for suspicious people like you.

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02003-03-13 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-13 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>
> > > WOW Edward Dickinson is a painter I'd never heard of but I sure liked him
> > > better than I would've like the Cremaster show at the Guggenheim.
> >
> > Cremaster show was a real show?
>
> http://www.guggenheim.org/exhibitions/barney/

Hm, I don't know where I heard about it but I thought it was dumbass
joke and there was no real exhibition. On the other hand maybe art
shows in the 90s were exactly as much of dumbass jokes as TV shows...

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Emily's team came through and beat Arizona in overtime!

Yay!

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02003-03-13 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> 02003-03-13 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > 02003-03-13 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> >
> > > > WOW Edward Dickinson is a painter I'd never heard of but I sure liked him
> > > > better than I would've like the Cremaster show at the Guggenheim.
> > >
> > > Cremaster show was a real show?
> >
> > http://www.guggenheim.org/exhibitions/barney/
>
> Hm, I don't know where I heard about it but I thought it was dumbass
> joke and there was no real exhibition. On the other hand maybe art
> shows in the 90s were exactly as much of dumbass jokes as TV shows...

Ha ha ... it wasn't even a show it was a bunch of movies ...

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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:19:56 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/13/2003 2:10:43 PM, lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
>
> << >From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>
>>Now that both sides on the issue hav been expressed, let
>>me come out looking extremely saintly by saying I don't
>>care either way, and I don't know why people have such
>>strong feelings, go forth and live life and BE.
>>
>  >>
>
> You wouldn't talk that way and be happy when your house and belongings were
> destroyed by enemy attacks, now would you? The way Bush has been willing to
> attack Iraq, and if he REALLY is that dangerous that would be a big
> possibility. Of course NOBODY would attack us because we are the biggest,
> strongest country in this world. aren't we? But what if he got help from the
> rest of that world that's against us?
> Just wondering, Theo


        Who you calling "we" Dutch lady?



--
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> Did he break anything, Adam?
>
> Betty

Nobody broke anything that I'm aware of, and someone even figured out how to
change the toilet paper. I was impressed.

I did break a cereal bowl the next day - it fell out of the dish drainer and
into the sink.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com
at least it wasn't one of the treasured crystal wine goblets

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---- Original Message -----
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> > But you know that under 90 or so is better.
>
> Cite, please. All the literature I've seen points to 2 hour post-prandial
> readings under 140 (and that's the lowest of the various numbers) as being
> the goal. My fasting blood glucose is between 90 and 110. My glycosolated
> hemoglobin (I think, the HbA1c) test has been 4.7 for the past 6 months,
and
> that's even a bit low for non-diabetics from what I understand.
>
That is damn good. Keep up the good work.

alec

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In a message dated 3/13/2003 5:59:00 PM, adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<< So, you still have a chance to speak your mind to them.
 >>

Don't listen to them Evelyn. It wouldn't serve any purpose at this late date,
and most likely, they have forgotten most of it by now, and it will only
serve as a reminder to the miserable time you were having then. I can imagine
them saying to each other:"We did a really good job, and hurt her good,
didn't we?" And laugh their heads off, because mean spirited people do that
sorta stuff. That's my feeling about it. I can symphasize with your
situation, but it would hurt you more than them at this late date. Theo

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> >No apologies needed. See you at SB7 in 2004.
>
> What is the date?
>
> Betty

Bad Betty, I can't plan that far ahead. Ask me again in January 2004.

--Adam
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At 08:23 PM 3/13/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > >No apologies needed. See you at SB7 in 2004.
> >
> > What is the date?
> >
> > Betty
>
>Bad Betty, I can't plan that far ahead. Ask me again in January 2004.

Well, one must plan early.

When I called and you asked me where I was, did you think I was going to be
another mystery guest?

Betty

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clyde w. voigtlander wrote:


> The birds are more active.  The bluejays have unlimbered their entire
> repertoire of songs.  A pair of mourning doves is again establishing
> residence near our house---Sere especially seems to be taken with the
> doves; she sits outside on our walks and sings to the doves, who refuse to
> come down and play.  I think I heard a cardinal the other day, but never
> could spot him.


        The doves have been hanging out near my front door all
winter.  They are a stupid, even for birds.  I'm thinking of
catching some of them and using them to start one of the
pups in the field.

        I heard a starling yesterday when it got up to 73.  The
neighborhood owl and the robins are also back.  The
cardinals never leave, of course.

        And, of course, Saturday is the St. Pat's parade -- our
official start to spring.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Adam Hartfield wrote:

>>Did he break anything, Adam?
>>
>>Betty
>>
>
> Nobody broke anything that I'm aware of, and someone even figured out how to
> change the toilet paper. I was impressed.
>
> I did break a cereal bowl the next day - it fell out of the dish drainer and
> into the sink.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com
> at least it wasn't one of the treasured crystal wine goblets
>


        You can have some of mine.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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> When I called and you asked me where I was, did you think I was
> going to be another mystery guest?

Anything's possible.

Mostly I was getting over the shock of getting an incoming call on my cell
phone.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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>         You can have some of mine.

Thank you for the offer - I appreciate it, especially since I know you have
oodles of Waterford you don't want.

However, I've been thinking about this exact subject for a while now, and I
think it's high time for me to buy my own nice stuff and build memories and
traditions with it, not with other people's superfluous items. I don't want
any more used furniture, for example.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         The doves have been hanging out near my front door all
> winter.  They are a stupid, even for birds.  I'm thinking of
> catching some of them and using them to start one of the
> pups in the field.

    I've mentioned before that, while not I'm not a birder or anything close to
it, the columbidea seem particularly dim.

JMW

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Has anyone been to either of the Cirque Du Soleil shows?  We're making a
trip in June for a few days. I'm attending a conference
(http://www.asrt.org/asrt.htm ) but Larry can stay free with me.

Betty

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> That is damn good. Keep up the good work.
>
> alec

Thank you. :) It is hard work as you know only too well.

I just bought an exercycle today, a good expensive one that isn't flimsy and
one on which the seat goes high enough. I am to be called tomorrow to set up
delivery. No more depending on the weather for exercise. :D

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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In a message dated 3/13/2003 6:46:01 PM, williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU writes:

<<    Theo, we've been under attack for over a decade, with hundreds of
servicemen
and diplomats killed, naval vessels attacked, airplanes shot at, and embassys
bombed, all before September 11th.  If that isn't an "attack" what do you call
it?
 >>

But it didn't happen in THIS country, did it? YOUR house wasn't destroyed, or
your family killed, was it? I'm not going to bother getting through to you
people about what war is REALLY like any longer. Have it your way, This is my
last response on the subject. Theo

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

>Of course NOBODY would attack us because we are the biggest,strongest country
in this world. aren't we?

    I don't think so.
    Theo, we've been under attack for over a decade, with hundreds of servicemen
and diplomats killed, naval vessels attacked, airplanes shot at, and embassys
bombed, all before September 11th.  If that isn't an "attack" what do you call
it?

>But what if he got help from the rest of that world that's against us?

    The League Of Nations is becoming more increasingly irrelevant than it was
previously.  The only shining thing that has emerged thus far is that we now
know who our friends are.

JMW

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/13/2003 6:46:01 PM, williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU writes:
>
> <<    Theo, we've been under attack for over a decade, with hundreds of
> servicemen
> and diplomats killed, naval vessels attacked, airplanes shot at, and embassys
> bombed, all before September 11th.  If that isn't an "attack" what do you call
> it?
>  >>
>
> But it didn't happen in THIS country, did it? YOUR house wasn't destroyed, or
> your family killed, was it? I'm not going to bother getting through to you
> people about what war is REALLY like any longer. Have it your way, This is my
> last response on the subject. Theo


        LIAR!



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 08:43 PM 3/13/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > When I called and you asked me where I was, did you think I was
> > going to be another mystery guest?
>
>Anything's possible.
>
>Mostly I was getting over the shock of getting an incoming call on my cell
>phone.

I didn't have your other number.  I think I have only answered my cell
phone once.  I rarely turn it on.

The last time it rang was when we were visiting Elwood and Mary Ann at the
quilt show in Marin.  Larry and I were cat sitting the cat from hell that
week.  He, appropriately called Trouble, escaped  when I opened the
door.  We looked and looked for him and alerted Larry's folks who live
nearby.  We couldn't look any longer because it was time to meet
everyone.  Larry's dad called and alerted us that the cat was found.  It
was a great relief.  I hate that cat.

Betty

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Adam Hartfield wrote:


> However, I've been thinking about this exact subject for a while now, and I
> think it's high time for me to buy my own nice stuff and build memories and
> traditions with it, not with other people's superfluous items. I don't want
> any more used furniture, for example.


        I understand.  I have a house full of furniture from dead
relatives, which is memorable in a way, but at some point it
would be nice to have more stuff in my house that I actually
picked out instead of the hodgepodge I have now.  I did pick
out my formal livingroom stuff, but I'm never in there.  My
bedroom set belonged to my mother-in-law (it's not old; I
went with her to buy it), and Ana's set belonged to my
mother, then me, now Ana.  I've never even picked out my own
pots/pans/dishes -- all hand-me-downs.  I'm actually kinda
happy when a dog breaks something :).




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:04:28 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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John Williams wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        The doves have been hanging out near my front door all
>>winter.  They are a stupid, even for birds.  I'm thinking of
>>catching some of them and using them to start one of the
>>pups in the field.
>>
>
>     I've mentioned before that, while not I'm not a birder or anything close to
> it, the columbidea seem particularly dim.


        Yep.  Even dumber than quail, and that's going some.




--
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At 08:46 PM 3/13/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> >         You can have some of mine.
>
>Thank you for the offer - I appreciate it, especially since I know you have
>oodles of Waterford you don't want.
>
>However, I've been thinking about this exact subject for a while now, and I
>think it's high time for me to buy my own nice stuff and build memories and
>traditions with it, not with other people's superfluous items. I don't want
>any more used furniture, for example.

Well, if you don't want her Waterford. . .  . .

Betty

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At 08:53 PM 3/13/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > That is damn good. Keep up the good work.
> >
> > alec
>
>Thank you. :) It is hard work as you know only too well.
>
>I just bought an exercycle today, a good expensive one that isn't flimsy and
>one on which the seat goes high enough. I am to be called tomorrow to set up
>delivery. No more depending on the weather for exercise. :D

Where are you going to put it?

Betty

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At 08:54 PM 3/13/2003 -0500, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>In a message dated 3/13/2003 6:46:01 PM, williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU writes:
>
><<    Theo, we've been under attack for over a decade, with hundreds of
>servicemen
>and diplomats killed, naval vessels attacked, airplanes shot at, and embassys
>bombed, all before September 11th.  If that isn't an "attack" what do you call
>it?
>  >>
>
>But it didn't happen in THIS country, did it? YOUR house wasn't destroyed, or
>your family killed, was it? I'm not going to bother getting through to you
>people about what war is REALLY like any longer. Have it your way, This is my
>last response on the subject. Theo


Yay!!!!

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

BB

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> >I just bought an exercycle today, a good expensive one that
> Where are you going to put it?
>
> Betty

My bedroom. I think I'm gonna tune the autoharp one last time with the
keyboard, and then loan the keyboard to Melanie. She says Alexandra has been
bugging them for piano lessons for some time now.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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At 09:11 PM 3/13/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > >I just bought an exercycle today, a good expensive one that
> > Where are you going to put it?
> >
> > Betty
>
>My bedroom. I think I'm gonna tune the autoharp one last time with the
>keyboard, and then loan the keyboard to Melanie. She says Alexandra has been
>bugging them for piano lessons for some time now.

Do you have a TV in there you can watch while pedaling?

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>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>Has anyone been to either of the Cirque Du Soleil shows?  We're making a
>trip in June for a few days. I'm attending a conference
>(http://www.asrt.org/asrt.htm ) but Larry can stay free with me.

I've seen Cirque du Soleil twice in New York (once across the river in
Jersey City actually -- a ferry took us across). Always surreal and
extremely entertaining, if not a bit overpriced.

Marie

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>From: Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM>
>Nobody broke anything that I'm aware of, and someone even figured out how
>to
>change the toilet paper. I was impressed.

I spent a long time in the service industry, my talents never cease to
amaze.

Marie

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> Do you have a TV in there you can watch while pedaling?

No. I'm thinking about getting one.

--Adam
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At 09:19 PM 3/13/2003 -0500, Marie Ascher wrote:
I've seen Cirque du Soleil twice in New York (once across the river in
>Jersey City actually -- a ferry took us across). Always surreal and
>extremely entertaining, if not a bit overpriced.
>
>Marie

Yes.  Larry has seen it so much on TV that he is not interested in spending
that much money to see it live. I think I'll go to "O" by myself.

Betty

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At 09:22 PM 3/13/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > Do you have a TV in there you can watch while pedaling?
>
>No. I'm thinking about getting one.

You could have it powered by the exercyle!

Betty

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> Has anyone been to either of the Cirque Du Soleil shows?  We're making
a
> trip in June for a few days. I'm attending a conference
> (http://www.asrt.org/asrt.htm ) but Larry can stay free with me.
>
> Betty

One of my sons saw it.  He called me, still in
a (trance, daze, aura of wonderment) and
said it was the greatest thing he had ever
seen in his life.

             - D. M.

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At 08:29 PM 3/13/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:

>One of my sons saw it.  He called me, still in
>a (trance, daze, aura of wonderment) and
>said it was the greatest thing he had ever
>seen in his life.
>
>              - D. M.

Which one did he see?  Mystere?  I don't know which one to make
reservations for.

Betty

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Thursday, March 13, 2003, 6:58:51 PM, Diegetic Mutant Hog wrote:
>> Evil Twins on the web! http://www.rahul.net/karen/eviltwins.html

> Since nobody could see those, they have been ripped off and pasted
> sloppily at <http://www.words-l.org/bestof03.html> ... "enjoy"

Thank you. Boy, we look grumpy for two happy people!

Karen

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At 10:35 PM 3/13/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>Oh, oh. Sorry to be discussing medical things. :)

That's okay.  Natalie is back on the road isn't she?  Glad you're feeling
better, Adam.

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In a message dated 03/13/2003 9:46:44 AM Central Standard Time,
rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:

<<
> Doesn't Annegret still work at Sears?

What kinda Commie name is "Annegret" anyway?


>>

She comes from Ghana.

Evelyn Duncan
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>From: Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM>
> > But you know that under 90 or so is better.
>
>Cite, please. All the literature I've seen points to 2 hour post-prandial
>readings under 140 (and that's the lowest of the various numbers) as being
>the goal.

90 or so is better of course -- 80 is probably the best anyone will ever do,
but not really possible for a diabetic. Below 140 puts you in the normal
(non-diabetic) range. I imagine before you started eating better you were
diagnosed at over 200? If I'm not mistaken that's the WHO guideline for
diagnosis for postprandial glucose.

I say, hoo-rah!

Marie



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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> But it didn't happen in THIS country, did it? YOUR house wasn't destroyed, or
> your family killed, was it?

    Oh, okay.  Since you weren't killed in the bombing of Rotterdam then I guess
WWII doesn't matter.

> I'm not going to bother getting through to you
> people about what war is REALLY like any longer. Have it your way, This is my
> last response on the subject. Theo

    Thank God for small favors.

JMW

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> 90 or so is better of course -- 80 is probably the best anyone
> will ever do, but not really possible for a diabetic.

This afternoon my 2-hours-after-lunch reading was 87.

> Below 140 puts you in the normal
> (non-diabetic) range. I imagine before you started eating better you were
> diagnosed at over 200?

I don't know. I pegged the doctor's office meter (it went up to 500) when I
went in for my diagnosis, so I have no idea at what I was actually running.
All I know is they gave me 10 cc's of insulin and I felt SO much better than
I had in a long time.

It's not just the eating better, it's the medication and exercise. Glyburide
got me into the 300's but it took metformin to get me down to the 120's.
Losing weight has helped - I went off the glyburide last September and am
now just on metformin.

The Dish and dessert at SnowBash were the most carbs I've consumed
since....well, longer than I can remember. I had a small sweet potato and a
piece of pie at Christmas - that's probably it.

Oh, oh. Sorry to be discussing medical things. :)

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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>From: Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM>
> > 90 or so is better of course -- 80 is probably the best anyone
> > will ever do, but not really possible for a diabetic.
>
>This afternoon my 2-hours-after-lunch reading was 87.

WOW! That's awesome!

Marie

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In a message dated 03/13/2003 2:56:29 AM Central Standard Time,
lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<<
Don't you think you should just put it behind you and move on?


>>

Yes, there's a lot I should put behind me.

Evelyn Duncan
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> Ha ha ... it wasn't even a show it was a bunch of movies ...

Well it had a fucking stupid sculpture on the first floor - I saw that
and pulled ourselves out of the line.  PLUS a bunch of movies IS a show,
in the Guggenheim, stupid.

Ann

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> At 08:29 PM 3/13/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >One of my sons saw it.  He called me, still in
> >a (trance, daze, aura of wonderment) and
> >said it was the greatest thing he had ever
> >seen in his life.
> >
> >              - D. M.
>
> Which one did he see?  Mystere?  I don't know which one to make
> reservations for.
>
> Betty

That I don't know.  And he's where
I can't ask him.  He's choking in a
sandstorm.

                  - D. M.

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I have DSL service with my phone company,
which is Quest.  I am also paying an ISP.

I did some research and found I could save
some money by going with my Cable company,
which will bundle my internet with my TV and
also serve as my ISP.  I can save about $50
per month at least.

Any reason why I shouldn't go with cable?

            - D. M.

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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:18:43 -0600
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Thursday, March 13, 2003, 7:56:21 PM, Betty wrote:
> Has anyone been to either of the Cirque Du Soleil shows?

Cirque du Soleil is what I'm going to audition for once I get
through Advanced Pilates.

I don't think it makes any difference what show you go to, Betty;
they are all fabulous.

Karen

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At 10:18 PM 3/13/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
> > At 08:29 PM 3/13/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > >One of my sons saw it.  He called me, still in
> > >a (trance, daze, aura of wonderment) and
> > >said it was the greatest thing he had ever
> > >seen in his life.
> > >
> > >              - D. M.
> >
> > Which one did he see?  Mystere?  I don't know which one to make
> > reservations for.
> >
> > Betty
>
>That I don't know.  And he's where
>I can't ask him.  He's choking in a
>sandstorm.

Oh, no!  I caught some of that coverage on TV.

Betty

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At 10:18 PM 3/13/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Thursday, March 13, 2003, 7:56:21 PM, Betty wrote:
> > Has anyone been to either of the Cirque Du Soleil shows?
>
>Cirque du Soleil is what I'm going to audition for once I get
>through Advanced Pilates.
>
>I don't think it makes any difference what show you go to, Betty;
>they are all fabulous.

Okay. I'm going to do it.  I'll send the url when I get back.

Betty

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Thursday, March 13, 2003, 10:22:23 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> Any reason why I shouldn't go with cable?

You need to check in your area to see which is better. Service is
really, really variable.

Karen

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At 10:20 PM 3/13/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Thursday, March 13, 2003, 10:22:23 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> > Any reason why I shouldn't go with cable?
>
>You need to check in your area to see which is better. Service is
>really, really variable.

I've heard that, too.  We have been very happy with our cable.

Betty

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Thursday, March 13, 2003, 10:43:17 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 10:20 PM 3/13/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Thursday, March 13, 2003, 10:22:23 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>> > Any reason why I shouldn't go with cable?
>>
>>You need to check in your area to see which is better. Service is
>>really, really variable.

> I've heard that, too.  We have been very happy with our cable.

I have cable and I like it, too, but there are parts of town in
which it's terrible.

Karen

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On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:07:09 -0500, Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM> wrote:

>> But you know that under 90 or so is better.
>
>Cite, please. All the literature I've seen points to 2 hour post-prandial
>readings under 140 (and that's the lowest of the various numbers) as being
>the goal. My fasting blood glucose is between 90 and 110. My glycosolated
>hemoglobin (I think, the HbA1c) test has been 4.7 for the past 6 months, and
>that's even a bit low for non-diabetics from what I understand.

Didn't realize you were talking about post-prandial ... I was thinking of
fasting glucose, since that's the only way I ever have it measured.  Mine's
usually in the 85-95 range (lucky me, eh?).  And I wasn't aware that you'd
been diagnosed with DM, being a non-wordsler and all.  :-)

In a diagnosed diabetic, an A1c under 5 is *great*.  The ADA guidelines talk
about either 7 or 8 as a milestone.

>
>> neal, wondering whether it's possible to go from Seattle to Denver (for
>> SABR, 7/9-13) via Maine
>
>This reminds me, there was a column about SABR in the sports section of the
>daily rag a few weeks ago. We have our own chapter here in Springfield,
>which I did not know.
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@attbi.com

Ah yes, the Rabbit Maranville chapter, I believe.  Not the biggest or the
most active, since they're surrounded by chapters in Albany, Worcester,
Boston, and Providence.

neal

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This from our esteemed departmental computer support group. Why it took
them three days to think of letting us know, I can't fathom!

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I wanted to let folks know that there is a problem with mail on
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Incoming mail from off-campus seems to be moving a bit faster.  CMS
has been notified, and hopefully will have this resolved on Friday.
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Kristin Sarv:
= steph wrote:
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= > = Could you, please, mention any single message sender here who is not a bit
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= > = Kristin
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I have just stolen a few minutes to scan and edit some photos:

Grandchildren:

http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/ITKE.jpg
February

Skiing:

http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/rest.jpg,
Lunchbreak at Tryvann (Oslo)

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Espen skiing at Tryvann (Oslo)

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Weather change in Skomakerløypa ("The shoemaker's trail) (Oslo)

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Another weather change in Skomakerløypa

http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/skom3.jpg
Skiing along Skomakerløypa

Espen

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11:30 11.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 11:24:38 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
>> Karen Kay wrote:
>>> Even for indoor cats? Why?
>
>> May we remove your fingernails, Karen? YOu don't really need them, do
>> you?
>
>Actually, I use them all the time. But last time I checked, my
>cat doesn't thread a needle or pick up thinks with her paws.

My dautghter's cat (the one in the wash basin photo) had great fun for some time in fishing up grapes, spearing them on her claws.

Espen

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Doris Markland:
= I have DSL service with my phone company,
= which is Quest.  I am also paying an ISP.
=
= I did some research and found I could save
= some money by going with my Cable company,
= which will bundle my internet with my TV and
= also serve as my ISP.  I can save about $50
= per month at least.
=
= Any reason why I shouldn't go with cable?
=
=             - D. M.

Ask anybody you know who has it what they think of the service.
What are your other experiences with the cable company?  Are they
good, bad, ugly?  The closer they live to you the better.  How
often does your cable tv go out?

(she who works for the cable company and has dsl from the phone
company)

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because they were busy fixing the problem!

clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
= This from our esteemed departmental computer support group. Why it took
= them three days to think of letting us know, I can't fathom!
=
= ---------- Forwarded message ----------
= Subject: Email Delays -Its not you!
=
= I wanted to let folks know that there is a problem with mail on
= campus.  It is taking up to 4-6 hours for messages to get delivered.
= Incoming mail from off-campus seems to be moving a bit faster.  CMS
= has been notified, and hopefully will have this resolved on Friday.
= --

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Marie Ascher:
= >From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
= >Poop. So much for Microsoft. I trusted Bill's html.
=
= That is some ugly-ass code.
=

no kidding.

try this:
<html>
<body>
<img src="eviltwins_files/image003.jpg" width=160 height=181>
<img src="eviltwins_files/image005.jpg" width=166 height=202>
<br><br>
<img src="eviltwins_files/image001.jpg" >
</body>
</html>


this probably took me less time to crank out than Bill too.

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steph:
= Doris Markland:
= = I have DSL service with my phone company,
= = which is Quest.  I am also paying an ISP.
= =
= = I did some research and found I could save
= = some money by going with my Cable company,
= = which will bundle my internet with my TV and
= = also serve as my ISP.  I can save about $50
= = per month at least.
= =
= = Any reason why I shouldn't go with cable?
= =
= =             - D. M.
=
= Ask anybody you know who has it what they think of the service.
= What are your other experiences with the cable company?  Are they
= good, bad, ugly?  The closer they live to you the better.  How

I meant, the closer the person you ask, not the cable company.  I
seem to have some things out of order above...

= often does your cable tv go out?
=
= (she who works for the cable company and has dsl from the phone
= company)

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Bad for the Chapman bottom line!

Doris Markland wrote:

> I have DSL service with my phone company,
> which is Quest.  I am also paying an ISP.
>
> I did some research and found I could save
> some money by going with my Cable company,
> which will bundle my internet with my TV and
> also serve as my ISP.  I can save about $50
> per month at least.
>
> Any reason why I shouldn't go with cable?
>
>             - D. M.
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, steph wrote:

> Doris Markland:
> = I have DSL service with my phone company,
> = which is Quest.  I am also paying an ISP.
> =
> = I did some research and found I could save
> = some money by going with my Cable company,
> = which will bundle my internet with my TV and
> = also serve as my ISP.  I can save about $50
> = per month at least.
> =
> = Any reason why I shouldn't go with cable?
> =
> =             - D. M.
>
> Ask anybody you know who has it what they think of the service.
> What are your other experiences with the cable company?  Are they
> good, bad, ugly?  The closer they live to you the better.  How
> often does your cable tv go out?
>
> (she who works for the cable company and has dsl from the phone
> company)
>

Good questions! We just <finally> got a stable connection at the house -
turned out the cable from the street was 25 years old - some days the
longest we were online was 2-5 minutes. They replaced the section, and
- voila!

When we lived in the country, summer storms shut down the connection about
a half dozen times every summer - that was not as bad as this!

If the cable in your area is reliable, I'd go for cheaper, for sure.

clo

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On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Espen Ore wrote:

> I have just stolen a few minutes to scan and edit some photos:
>
> Grandchildren:
>
> http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/ITKE.jpg
> February
>

*gasp* It's Karen and BrPaul!

clo

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16:15 11.03.2003 -0500 skrev clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
>Oh, my, yes!
>I was told recently that women have better orgasms than men; proof:
>God intended it to be so, to make up for the pain of childbirth.
>
>When I pointed out that this was not only illogical but also nonsense, the
>reply was "no, it's neither - it's just a fact; that's the way God planned
>it, and it's therefore true"

And Teiresias got into trouble with Hera because he supported Zeus and claimed that it was true that women had better orgasms (and since he had been both male and female he spoke from experience).

Espen

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 4:47:13 AM, Espen Ore wrote:
> 11:30 11.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>>Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 11:24:38 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
>>> Karen Kay wrote:
>>>> Even for indoor cats? Why?
>>
>>> May we remove your fingernails, Karen? YOu don't really need them, do
>>> you?
>>
>>Actually, I use them all the time. But last time I checked, my
>>cat doesn't thread a needle or pick up thinks with her paws.

> My dautghter's cat (the one in the wash basin photo) had great fun for some time in fishing up grapes, spearing them on her claws.

I still haven't seen this cat use her paws for anything but
kneading my skin. She knocked on the door twice yesterday to be
petted, though.

Karen

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 5:15:05 AM, steph wrote:
> this probably took me less time to crank out than Bill too.

You would be wrong about that.

The pictures were sent to me in a Word file, so all I did was
save as HTML. That was quicker than extracting the pictures from
the file and writing a page to hold them.

I can write HTML, Steph, I've been doing it for 8 years now.

Karen

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 6:04:30 AM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Espen Ore wrote:
>> I have just stolen a few minutes to scan and edit some photos:
>>
>> Grandchildren:
>>
>> http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/ITKE.jpg
>> February
>>

> *gasp* It's Karen and BrPaul!

Which one is the bald one?

Karen

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These are the tomato cages of my dreams!

http://www.tomatocage.com/

Karen

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17:56 13.03.2003 -0800 skrev Betty:
>Has anyone been to either of the Cirque Du Soleil shows?  We're making a
>trip in June for a few days. I'm attending a conference
>(http://www.asrt.org/asrt.htm ) but Larry can stay free with me.

I was at one (I believe - if I don't mix them up with another Canadian New Circus group) in Bergen some years ago.

Espen

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 3:50:00 AM, Espen Ore wrote:
> http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/skom3.jpg
> Skiing along Skomakerløypa

Gosh! This almost makes me wish for cold and snow! It's going to
be 80 again today, though, so...

Karen

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08:17 14.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>Friday, March 14, 2003, 3:50:00 AM, Espen Ore wrote:
>> http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/skom3.jpg
>> Skiing along Skomakerløypa
>
>Gosh! This almost makes me wish for cold and snow! It's going to
>be 80 again today, though, so...

It has been claimed that the Norwegians developed from the village idiot who got confused at the end of the last ice age. Something was missing: the ice, and so he went after it. This same proto-Norwegian can be seen every spring at Easter time: instead of staying down where the spring is coming, he (or she) runs with the whole family up to the mountains where there is still ice and snow. Ingjerd and I will take a mountain weekend in the beginning of April ...

Espen

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> >>
>
>But it didn't happen in THIS country, did it? YOUR house
>wasn't destroyed, or
>your family killed, was it? I'm not going to bother getting
>through to you
>people about what war is REALLY like any longer. Have it your
>way, This is my
>last response on the subject. Theo
>

Thank God!


alec

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Much deleted...

>
>Oh, oh. Sorry to be discussing medical things. :)
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@attbi.com
>

Never be sorry for discussing medical things. Most care and we act as a
great support group.


alec

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I wish I had known him better.  My memory of him is that he was my first experience
with someone who looked old but related to me (I was 4 or 5 at the time I remember
meeting him) as a friend.  It was both that he had the sparkle of youth and that he
listened to what I had to say as if I were an adult.  I'd love to know more of his story.

BrP




> Emil was a very gentle character from BrPaul's and my collective
> past, a minister who loved singing very silly songs and wore
> a series of astounding bow ties. Sorry. One should never drag
> specifics about strangers into general tales. I mentioned him to
> amuse BrPaul, but told the story to explain an aspect of his
> evil-twin-ness; we were raised in tangential circles.
> clo

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>This is my last response on the subject.

Homer : I'll never wiggle my bare butt in public again.
Lisa : I'd like to believe that this time. I really would.

--
Richard       wotza EU import quota for umbrellas?

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One of the local Tex-Mex restaurants ahs announced that their "Texas fries" will now be
known as "Plutochracy fries."

BrP

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Karen Kay:
= Friday, March 14, 2003, 5:15:05 AM, steph wrote:
= > this probably took me less time to crank out than Bill too.
=
= You would be wrong about that.
=
= The pictures were sent to me in a Word file, so all I did was
= save as HTML. That was quicker than extracting the pictures from
= the file and writing a page to hold them.
=
= I can write HTML, Steph, I've been doing it for 8 years now.
=
= Karen

How long did it take to do Save As|Html?

(I didn't think you could NOT write HTML)

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On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>
> Cremaster show was a real show?

It is an *exhibition*:
-------------------------------------------
"Imagine a biological and metabolic force converting into tangible form.
And as that force transmogrifies and begins to take shape, it must follow
one rule: it cannot subdivide into separate entities, even though it is
compelled to do so at every turn. This is the process that governs Matthew
Barney’s CREMASTER series, a five-part film cycle accompanied by related
sculptures, photographs, and drawings. Begun in 1995, with a projected
completion date of 2002, the cycle describes the evolution of form through
elaborate biochemical and psychosexual metaphors. Eschewing chronological
order, Barney has completed parts 4, 1, 5, and 2 of the series thus far,
each of which narrates fantastical allegories of growth, transformation,
and physical transcendence. Taking the cremaster muscle (which controls
testicular contractions in response to external stimuli) as their
conceptual departure point, the films circulate around anatomical
conditions of “ascension” and “descension” to metaphorically describe
imaginary beings suspended in states of latency. In Barney’s eccentrically
erotic universe, nothing is construed as simply one thing or the other.
Rigid dualistic categories—male/female, entropy/order—give way to an
enclosed system capable of self-mutation. Hybrid creatures revel in zones
of genital indeterminacy, struggling to retain their polymorphous nature."

---------------------------

I was so put off by the stupid sculpture, and so ignorant of what else
would be there, and so fondly remembering the over-the-top brilliance of
Nam Jun Paik's tarting up the Frank Lloyd Wright spaces, that I ran back
out into the sunlight.

But now I see I probably made a mistake.  Because I am really really
curious about the movies.  Has anyone seen one of the Cremaster films?

Ann

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These are great, Espen.  Thanks!

Betty

At 10:50 AM 3/14/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>I have just stolen a few minutes to scan and edit some photos:
>
>Grandchildren:
>
>http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/ITKE.jpg
>February
>
>Skiing:
>
>http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/rest.jpg,
>Lunchbreak at Tryvann (Oslo)
>
>http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/e-try.jpg
>Espen skiing at Tryvann (Oslo)
>
>http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/skom1.jpg
>Weather change in Skomakerløypa ("The shoemaker's trail) (Oslo)
>
>http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/skom2.jpg
>Another weather change in Skomakerløypa
>
>http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/skom3.jpg
>Skiing along Skomakerløypa
>
>Espen

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The Phillips Collection Gallery in D.C. is currently running an exhibit called 'Margaret
Bourke White  The Photography of Design 1927-1936"  Syracuse has a huge
collection of MBWs photographs as well as her personal papers and so we worked
closely with the curator from The Phillips for almost a year and a half.  Today we
received the book that accompanies the exhibition (it's really much more than just an
exhibition catalog) and it is beautiful.  The nice thing is that they sent me a personal
copy as well as the copies for the library.  Nice!

BrP

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02003-03-13 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Thursday, March 13, 2003, 6:58:51 PM, Diegetic Mutant Hog wrote:
> >> Evil Twins on the web! http://www.rahul.net/karen/eviltwins.html
>
> > Since nobody could see those, they have been ripped off and pasted
> > sloppily at <http://www.words-l.org/bestof03.html> ... "enjoy"
>
> Thank you. Boy, we look grumpy for two happy people!

Could we give the whole happy-happy LOL-filled life-loving
Akbar-and-Jeff crap a damn REST for a while? Thanks!

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02003-03-13 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > Ha ha ... it wasn't even a show it was a bunch of movies ...
>
> Well it had a fucking stupid sculpture on the first floor - I saw that
> and pulled ourselves out of the line.  PLUS a bunch of movies IS a show,
> in the Guggenheim, stupid.

I suggest you improve your language, Dr Borkin.

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02003-03-14 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> But now I see I probably made a mistake.  Because I am really really
> curious about the movies.  Has anyone seen one of the Cremaster films?

Just imagine a damn biological and metabolic force converting into
tangible form, will you?

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02003-03-14 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> because they were busy fixing the problem!
>
> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
> = This from our esteemed departmental computer support group. Why it took
> = them three days to think of letting us know, I can't fathom!

Sorry, I cannot support this staff. I sympathize with frazzled
admins spending hours in various states of being in the dark,
getting (butthead) network providers and other service people
to cooperate, salvaging lost data, deciding what to give up on,
etc etc, but they can't write a lousy email saying "it's not
you"?

> = ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> = Subject: Email Delays -Its not you!
> =
> = I wanted to let folks know that there is a problem with mail on
> = campus.  It is taking up to 4-6 hours for messages to get delivered.
> = Incoming mail from off-campus seems to be moving a bit faster.  CMS
> = has been notified, and hopefully will have this resolved on Friday.
> = --

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=
= Could we give the whole happy-happy LOL-filled life-loving
= Akbar-and-Jeff crap a damn REST for a while? Thanks!

Oh, I miss Akbar and Jeff.

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Partisan, but worth a view:

  http://www.house.gov/appropriations_democrats/caughtonfilm.htm

Bethany

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On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> Just imagine a damn biological and metabolic force converting into
> tangible form, will you?

OK, I'll try:

Looks a lot like -YOU- !

swoon

Ann

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> = Could we give the whole happy-happy LOL-filled life-loving
> = Akbar-and-Jeff crap a damn REST for a while? Thanks!
>
> Oh, I miss Akbar and Jeff.

I want to be Akbar.  I always thought he was much cuter than Jeff.


BrP

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> 02003-03-14 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > = Could we give the whole happy-happy LOL-filled life-loving
> > > = Akbar-and-Jeff crap a damn REST for a while? Thanks!
> > >
> > > Oh, I miss Akbar and Jeff.
> >
> > I want to be Akbar.  I always thought he was much cuter than Jeff.
>
> A quick question ... are they gay? What's your opinion?

Matt Groening was asked this question and his response was "They're either lovers
or brothers - or both."


BrP

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02003-03-14 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > = Could we give the whole happy-happy LOL-filled life-loving
> > = Akbar-and-Jeff crap a damn REST for a while? Thanks!
> >
> > Oh, I miss Akbar and Jeff.
>
> I want to be Akbar.  I always thought he was much cuter than Jeff.

A quick question ... are they gay? What's your opinion?

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In a message dated 3/14/2003 5:14:48 AM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:

<<  I have just stolen a few minutes to scan and edit some photos:
>
> Grandchildren:
>
> http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/ITKE.jpg
> February
 >>

Cute babies, Espen! Mine are already beyond baby stage, and when they were, I
was unfortunately not around to see them. Theo

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-03-14 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
= > > = Could we give the whole happy-happy LOL-filled life-loving
= > > = Akbar-and-Jeff crap a damn REST for a while? Thanks!
= > >
= > > Oh, I miss Akbar and Jeff.
= >
= > I want to be Akbar.  I always thought he was much cuter than Jeff.
=
= A quick question ... are they gay? What's your opinion?

Of course.

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Paul R. Barfoot:
= > = Could we give the whole happy-happy LOL-filled life-loving
= > = Akbar-and-Jeff crap a damn REST for a while? Thanks!
= >
= > Oh, I miss Akbar and Jeff.
=
= I want to be Akbar.  I always thought he was much cuter than Jeff.
=
=
= BrP

Jeff is better dressed.

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In a message dated 3/14/2003 7:24:43 AM, Espen.Ore@NB.NO writes:

<< This same proto-Norwegian can be seen every spring at Easter time: instead
of staying down where the spring is coming, he (or she) runs with the whole
family up to the mountains where there is still ice and snow. Ingjerd and I
will take a mountain weekend in the beginning of April ...

 >>

I've got a picture with snow on an Idaho mountain I could send you, if you'd
like. Skiing is out for me of course, but the view is pretty from where I
live, anyway.
Theo

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of steph
>Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:45 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>Tushar Samant:
>= 02003-03-14 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
>= > > = Could we give the whole happy-happy LOL-filled life-loving
>= > > = Akbar-and-Jeff crap a damn REST for a while? Thanks!
>= > >
>= > > Oh, I miss Akbar and Jeff.
>= >
>= > I want to be Akbar.  I always thought he was much cuter than Jeff.
>=
>= A quick question ... are they gay? What's your opinion?
>
>Of course.
>

A cartoon says much, he he he...
http://www.pinette.net/chris/akbarjeff/akbar1.jpg




alec

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In a message dated 3/14/2003 11:38:10 AM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<< Evil Twins on the web! http://www.rahul.net/karen/eviltwins.html
>
> > Since nobody could see those, >>

Huh? They came up perfectly clear on *my* screen. Theo

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> =
> = I want to be Akbar.  I always thought he was much cuter than Jeff.
> =
> =
> = BrP
>
> Jeff is better dressed.

Then I'm definitely Akbar

BrP

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What Jeff says about Akbar:

"All I know is this: Akbar is spiritually enlightened. His fashion sense is impeccable.
He is possessed of an almost canine sensuality.  He is kind yet he is crafty.  He is
serene yet he is unpredictable.  He is stunningly handsome and he is unique.  And
that's good enough for me."



BrP

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Well, I'm definitely not Akbar.
clo

"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> What Jeff says about Akbar:
>
> "All I know is this: Akbar is spiritually enlightened. His fashion sense is impeccable.
> He is possessed of an almost canine sensuality.  He is kind yet he is crafty.  He is
> serene yet he is unpredictable.  He is stunningly handsome and he is unique.  And
> that's good enough for me."
>
> BrP

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I'm going nomail.  Since Purim and St Patrik's Day coincide, I'm off to Toronto to get
doubly drunk with a bunch of Irish Jews.

Karen and Alyce will have to be evil without me.


BrP

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Sheesh. Have a great time, and keep 'em off the road!

I am leaving tomorrow am for Providence. With luck, I will
drink coffee far into the night with interesting strangers, perhaps
even a wordsler or two! Likewise back Weds. - we'll have to
compare notes. Now about this blog thing...
clo

"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> I'm going nomail.  Since Purim and St Patrik's Day coincide, I'm off to Toronto to get
> doubly drunk with a bunch of Irish Jews.
>
> Karen and Alyce will have to be evil without me.
>
> BrP

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Ohio St. Upsets No. 18 Wisconsin 58-50

CHICAGO - Sean Connolly scored 21 points, and Brent Darby made four free
throws in the last 39 seconds Friday to seal Ohio State's 58-50 upset of No.
18 Wisconsin in the quarterfinals of the Big Ten tournament.

Connolly hit five 3-pointers, one shy of his career high, as Ohio State shot
56 percent from long range. Darby finished with 16 points, six assists and
just one turnover.


The Buckeyes (16-13), last year's Big Ten tournament champions, will now
play the winner of the Michigan State-Purdue game.

The top-seeded Badgers, meanwhile, are going home after their opening
conference tournament game for a second straight year. Wisconsin (22-7) won
the regular-season Big Ten title outright for the first time since 1947, but
the team was done in Friday by cold shooting, sloppiness and a lack of an
inside game.

later,

alec

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 9:44:34 AM, steph wrote:

> Karen Kay:
> = Friday, March 14, 2003, 5:15:05 AM, steph wrote:
= >> this probably took me less time to crank out than Bill too.
> =
> = You would be wrong about that.
> =
> = The pictures were sent to me in a Word file, so all I did was
> = save as HTML. That was quicker than extracting the pictures from
> = the file and writing a page to hold them.
> =
> = I can write HTML, Steph, I've been doing it for 8 years now.
> =
> = Karen

> How long did it take to do Save As|Html?

> (I didn't think you could NOT write HTML)

I don't know. The long part woulda been extracting the pictures
from the Word file and saving them. (Paul cropped them and put
them into a Word file.) He also had that cute little Evil Twins
graphic. (Normally I wouldn't begrudge the effort, but this week
has been extraordinarily busy.)

I think that instead of you and me going back and forth on this,
my time would be better served teaching Paul HTML. (He is my Evil
Twin because he doesn't even own a computer, let alone a cell
phone...)

Karen

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Oh right, wait till he goes nomail and can't poke fun at himself!

And what's this - you actually own a cell phone? Wow, now
that's technology!

clo

Karen Kay wrote:

> I don't know. The long part woulda been extracting the pictures
> from the Word file and saving them. (Paul cropped them and put
> them into a Word file.) He also had that cute little Evil Twins
> graphic. (Normally I wouldn't begrudge the effort, but this week
> has been extraordinarily busy.)
>
> I think that instead of you and me going back and forth on this,
> my time would be better served teaching Paul HTML. (He is my Evil
> Twin because he doesn't even own a computer, let alone a cell
> phone...)
>
> Karen

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There are many phrases--for instance, the one-word phrase "arguably"--
which in reality mean "I am an asshole". There is a motherlode in
technobabble too, but I won't go into it, after a traumatic experience
on this list where precision was labelled as technobabble and babble
as the human touch. But I feel up to pointing out one phrase--it is:
"You make some interesting points, but..." Apart from being patronizing,
it means "I am too stupid to understand that you gave me a chance to
avoid such and such a point, so I will press it again and then receive
a rude answer that it's none of my freakin business".

What can be more jackass-like than a STUPID person being patronizing?

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At 04:54 PM 3/14/2003 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>Ohio St. Upsets No. 18 Wisconsin 58-50
>
>The top-seeded Badgers, meanwhile, are going home after their opening
>conference tournament game for a second straight year. Wisconsin (22-7) won
>the regular-season Big Ten title outright for the first time since 1947, but
>the team was done in Friday by cold shooting, sloppiness and a lack of an
>inside game.

Pretty much true.  They didn't look good.  On the other hand, Ohio St. is
the reigning Big-10 tournament champion and they have looked good in their
first two tourney games.  Wisco is in the Big Dance; their seeding may
suffer after today.  They also played without their starting center, who
got hurt in practice the last couple of days and is done for the season.  I
don't look for them to go very deep into the NCAA.

cwv

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At 04:13 PM 3/14/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:


>What can be more jackass-like than a STUPID person being patronizing?

You, of all people, should know.

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:

> let alone a cell phone...)

Who needs a cell phone?

alyce

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On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> There are many phrases--for instance, the one-word phrase "arguably"--
> which in reality mean "I am an asshole". There is a motherlode in

 . . . .

> What can be more jackass-like than a STUPID person being patronizing?

INTERESTING STUFF.

Ann

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<center><b><font color="#FFCC00"><font size=+4>Prague Festival Dance Prize
2003</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+3>from 17th to 21st April 2003
in Prague (Czech Republic)</font></font></b></center>
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<center><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+4>Dance Grand Prix "Italia"
2003</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+3>which will be heldeld in Italy
from 19th to 24th June 2003</font></font></b></center>
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<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>the WARM UP TIME!!</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+2>the upcoming <i>W</i>ORL<i>D</i>ANC<i>E</i>VENT<i>S</i></font><font size=+1>...
</font><font size=+2>like
no other</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+3>IS ARRIVING!</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+3>ARE YOU READY FOR THIS??</font></font></b>
<p><b><font size=+3>International Event CompetitionforBallet, Contemporary,
Modern,</font></b>
<br><b><font size=+3>Hip Hop, Latin, Swing, Folk, Tap,</font></b>
<br><b><font size=+3>Schools, Companies and Dance-Theatrical Educational
Institutes.</font></b>
<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+3>AWAITING the SPRINGTIME for the
UPCOMING</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><i><font size=+4>E</font></i><font size=+3>ASTER
and </font><i><font size=+4>S</font></i><font size=+3>UMMER </font><i><font size=+4>D</font></i><font size=+3>ANC</font><i><font size=+4>E</font></i><font size=+3>VENT</font><i><font size=+4>S</font></i><font size=+3>!!!!!!!</font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+3>You can book the LAST places
for your dancegroup to participate!!</font></font></b>
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<p><b><u><font color="#000000"><font size=+4>Follow our instructions to
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<br><b><font size=+4><u><font color="#000000">or search our web address
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<p><b><font size=+4>AND FAX YOUR REQUEST of info to</font></b>
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<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>DANCERS, CHOREOGRAPHERS, DANCESTUDENTS,
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<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>PREPARE YOURSELF TO ENTER IN
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<br><b><i><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>D</font></font><font size=+3>ANCEFESTIVAL</font><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>S</font></font><font size=+3>EASON</font><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>2</font></font><font size=+3>00</font><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>3</font></font><font size=+3>,</font></i></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>THE MOST FAMOUS DANCE THEATRE</font></font></b>
<br><b><i><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>"H</font></font><font size=+3>ALL
OF </font><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>F</font></font><font size=+3>AME
</font><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>A</font></font><font color="#000000"><font size=+3>WARD</font></font><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>S"</font></font></i><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>IN
THE </font><i><font size=+4>W</font></i></font><font size=+2><i><font color="#000000">ORLD</font></i><font color="#FF0000">:</font></font></b></center>

<p><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>1998 - "Centro Studio Danza e
Movimento"</font><font size=+3> FLORENCE - ITALY</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>1999 - "Il Balletto" CastelFranco
Veneto </font><font size=+3>VENICE - ITALY</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>2000 - "Academy for Performing
Arts" </font><font size=+3>HONG KONG - CHINA</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>2001 - "Uai Qi Dan&ccedil;a"
</font><font size=+3>FORTALEZA
- BRAZIL</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
- "Ballet Folklorico Mexicano" </font><font size=+3>CANCUN - MEXICO</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>2002 - "Elta Dance Company"
</font><font size=+3>LIPSEKT
- RUSSIA</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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<center><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>2003.... MAYBE</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>YOUR DANCEGROUP!!!!!!</font></font></b>
<br>&nbsp;
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<hr WIDTH="100%"><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>And during the&nbsp;
PRAGUE FESTIVAL 2003:</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>THE SPECIAL AWARD CAREER</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>TO</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>one of the&nbsp; "DANCE CONTEMPORARY
US. STAR":</font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#999900"><font size=+3>Mrs. MONIQUE MELTON</font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#999900"><font size=+3>STAR of the AMERICAN BALLET</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#999900"><font size=+3>&amp;</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#999900"><font size=+3>DIRECTOR of METROPOLITAN BALLET
COMPANY</font></font></b>
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<p><b><font size=+2>The deadline to register your group for this incredible
opportunity is the 30 March!!!</font></b>
<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+1>A meeting of dancers, dancelovers,
amateurs and audience&nbsp; from all the five continents</font></font></b>
<p><b><font size=+2>All the subject of Therpsichore Art will be in competition</font></b>
<p><b><font size=+2>All the languages in the dressing-rooms of our stages</font></b>
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<hr WIDTH="100%">
<p><b><font size=+2>A special DANCE OPPORTUNITY in PRAGUE during the Festival:</font></b>
<br><b><i><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+2>the The Ballet Company of
the National Theatre of Prague,</font></font></i></b>
<br><b><i><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+2>will present the 19April,
in the the National Theatre of Prague,</font></font></i></b>
<br><b><i><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+2>the Ballet "SWAN LAKE" choregraphy
by M. Petipa.</font></font></i></b>
<br><b><i><font color="#000000"><font size=+2>&nbsp;(free on charges for
every dance participant to the&nbsp; Prague Festival 2003)</font></font></i></b>
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<center><b><font size=+2>These are&nbsp; the&nbsp; "</font><i><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+3>W</font></font></i><font size=+2>ORL</font><i><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+3>D</font></font></i><font size=+2>ANC</font><i><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+3>E</font></font></i><font size=+2>VENT</font><i><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+3>S</font></font></i><font size=+2>"</font></b>
<br><b><font size=+2>FESTIVAL COMPETITIONS !</font></b>
<br><b><font size=+2>Our Organizzation has over 10 years of group and educational
events experience.</font></b>
<br><b><font size=+2>Do not risk the success of your performing groups
with other Companies without our theatrical experience!</font></b>
<p><b><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+4>Ask &amp; compare!</font></font></b>
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<center><b><font color="#CC0000"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
If you require any kind of information about our organization I can provide
you with the e-mail and post address of many&nbsp; previous participants
from all over the world</font></font></b></center>

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<br><b><font color="#000000"><font size=+2>The Best Things Happen While
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<b><i><font size=+2>your group will dance and compete in a spirit of friendly
in the biggest meeting of WorlDance in europe the next seasons and</font></i></b>
<p><font size=+4><b><i>G</i><font color="#FF0000">o</font></b><i>o<b><font color="#3333FF">D</font></b></i>a<b><i><font color="#FF0000">n</font></i></b>c<b><i><font color="#3333FF">E</font></i></b></font>
<p><b><i><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+3>SEE YOU IN&nbsp; our dance
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don't hesitate to ask us the advertising materials and we will send to
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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > There are many phrases--for instance, the one-word phrase "arguably"--
> > which in reality mean "I am an asshole". There is a motherlode in
>
>  . . . .
>
> > What can be more jackass-like than a STUPID person being patronizing?
>
> INTERESTING STUFF.
>
> Ann

Tushar,
you make some interesting points, though they are arguably overstated.
But at least no one has made the mistake of trying to compliment you
today!
clo

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02003-03-14 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 04:13 PM 3/14/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
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> >What can be more jackass-like than a STUPID person being patronizing?
>
> You, of all people, should know.

I don't, I am too stupid :-(

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02003-03-14 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > let alone a cell phone...)
>
> Who needs a cell phone?

Chatty monks? HAAAAAA hahahahahahahaha

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 4:07:59 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Oh right, wait till he goes nomail and can't poke fun at himself!

LOL. We poke fun at ourselves all the time.

> And what's this - you actually own a cell phone? Wow, now
> that's technology!

It doesn't do pictures, though. And actually, if you call it now,
you'll get to talk to Ligniere. He has it for a couple of days.

Karen

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 4:13:31 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> There are many phrases--for instance, the one-word phrase "arguably"--
> which in reality mean "I am an asshole".

That's such an 80's word.

> What can be more jackass-like than a STUPID person being patronizing?

*I* wouldn't know.

Karen

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 4:21:25 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> let alone a cell phone...)

> Who needs a cell phone?

Anyone who goes anywhere. It's *very* tough to find a payphone
these days.

Karen

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 12:37:54 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-13 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Thursday, March 13, 2003, 6:58:51 PM, Diegetic Mutant Hog wrote:
>> >> Evil Twins on the web! http://www.rahul.net/karen/eviltwins.html
>>
>> > Since nobody could see those, they have been ripped off and pasted
>> > sloppily at <http://www.words-l.org/bestof03.html> ... "enjoy"
>>
>> Thank you. Boy, we look grumpy for two happy people!

> Could we give the whole happy-happy LOL-filled life-loving
> Akbar-and-Jeff crap a damn REST for a while? Thanks!

Sure--till Wednesday when Akbar gets back.

Jeff

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 8:24:11 AM, Espen Ore wrote:
> 08:17 14.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>>Gosh! This almost makes me wish for cold and snow! It's going to
>>be 80 again today, though, so...

> It has been claimed that the Norwegians developed from the
> village idiot who got confused at the end of the last ice age.
> Something was missing: the ice, and so he went after it. This
> same proto-Norwegian can be seen every spring at Easter time:
> instead of staying down where the spring is coming, he (or she)
> runs with the whole family up to the mountains where there is
> still ice and snow. Ingjerd and I will take a mountain weekend
> in the beginning of April ...

Thanks for this story, Espen. I will think of you when I'm
sweating.

Jeff

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 3:23:04 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> I'm going nomail.  Since Purim and St Patrik's Day coincide, I'm off to Toronto to get
> doubly drunk with a bunch of Irish Jews.

> Karen and Alyce will have to be evil without me.

You know what we need--a picture of Alyce when she was 5! Do you
have one, Alyce? If you can scan it and e-mail it to me, then we
can be ETs all together!

Karen

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02003-03-14 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: English Language Discussion Group
> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of steph
> >Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:45 PM
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: Together again for the first time...
> >
> >
> >Tushar Samant:
> >= 02003-03-14 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> >= > > = Could we give the whole happy-happy LOL-filled life-loving
> >= > > = Akbar-and-Jeff crap a damn REST for a while? Thanks!
> >= > >
> >= > > Oh, I miss Akbar and Jeff.
> >= >
> >= > I want to be Akbar.  I always thought he was much cuter than Jeff.
> >=
> >= A quick question ... are they gay? What's your opinion?
> >
> >Of course.
>
> A cartoon says much, he he he...
> http://www.pinette.net/chris/akbarjeff/akbar1.jpg

OK, that's two separate opinions that they are gay

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On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> OK, that's two separate opinions that they are gay

Whatever happened to the teletubbies, did they grow up to be Jeff & Akbar?

Ann

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> Yes, there's a lot I should put behind me.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> This account protected by an attack cabbit.

Which, apparently, included unsubbing from two addresses.

*sigh*

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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>  And I wasn't aware that you'd
> been diagnosed with DM, being a non-wordsler and all.  :-)

Yeah, well, it wasn't something I announced immediately to the list. I told
some people at SnowBash last year, but that was about it until a month or
two ago.

--Adam
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Theodora Groothof wrote:
> << So much for Words-L being a support group.
>  >>
>
> You said it. She was hurting and she didn't get any support from y'all. Theo

Who?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 7:36:35 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Theodora Groothof wrote:
>> << So much for Words-L being a support group.
>>  >>
>>
>> You said it. She was hurting and she didn't get any support from y'all. Theo

> Who?

Evidently Evelyn unsubbed.

Jeff

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At 08:26 PM 3/14/2003 -0500, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>In a message dated 3/14/2003 6:07:29 PM, adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:
>
><< Oh, I tell people to fuck off, and mean it, from time to time. I'm not
>always the List Honey.
>  >>
>
>If you told her to fuck off, you needlessly hurt her feelings, Adam.
>She was having a difficult time, and you shouldn't have added to her
>misery. Theo

Yeah, Adam.  Apologize immediately!

Betty

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Betty wrote:

> At 07:51 PM 3/14/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
>> > Yes, there's a lot I should put behind me.
>> >
>> > Evelyn Duncan
>> > brandykitt@aol.com
>> > This account protected by an attack cabbit.
>>
>> Which, apparently, included unsubbing from two addresses.
>>
>> *sigh*
>
>
> She'll be back.  She came back last time after 24 hours.
>


        She usually does.  It's just how Evelyn is.  I think she gets
more support from us than anywhere else (as unsupportive as
we are).




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Betty wrote:
> > > Who needs a cell phone?
> >
> >Anyone who goes anywhere. It's *very* tough to find a payphone
> >these days.
>
> I rarely use my cell phone.   I'm cutting on my coverage. Why do you always
> need to call someone?

I've been trying to figure out what to do about the cell phone
situation.  I have no need for a cell phone 99.99% of the time.  I got
the cell phone because of worry about my mother and needing to be
reachable wherever I was.  Now that she's no longer alive, my only use
of it is for leaving the number at Furrbabies when I travel so that I
don't have to plan in advance exactly where I'll be every night and
leave a bunch of numbers.  Since I don't travel all that much, having a
cell phone seems extreme.  I'm almost certainly going to drop it.  It
would be cheaper to call Furrbabies every night when traveling than to
have a cell phone.  But I'm having some misgivings about Furrbabies.
I'm getting some bad vibes.  Am pondering them.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-03-14 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 3/14/2003 6:14:02 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>
> << So much for Words-L being a support group.
>
> You said it. She was hurting and she didn't get any support from y'all. Theo

This is not a free service. Yes, I personally subscribed so I can
flame people about things, but I find things to flame on my own,
not depend on others to feed me. You constantly beg for flameable
straight lines, and I am sorry but I cannot bring myself to respect
that.

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> If you told her to fuck off, you needlessly hurt her feelings, Adam.
> She was having a difficult time, and you shouldn't have added to her
> misery. Theo

Theo, I most certainly did not do any such thing.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 8:32:50 AM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> Never be sorry for discussing medical things. Most care and we act as a
> great support group.

We do? On the rare occasion, maybe.

Jeff

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 9:43:39 AM, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:
I'll never wiggle my bare butt in public again.

Speaking of your bare butt, who is Gerald Bostock?

Jeff

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02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Friday, March 14, 2003, 4:13:31 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > There are many phrases--for instance, the one-word phrase "arguably"--
> > which in reality mean "I am an asshole".
>
> That's such an 80's word.

Wow, thanks for this amazing and rarely-heard bit of info!

It reminds me--some time I ago: a few of us are walking down the
street when I see a lady wearing a kick-ass green winter coat. I
mean it was GREEN and I haven't seen anything like it. I say that's
a great coat and here is what I am informed of: that it's such an
80s color.

I bow to people who wear "autumn colors" in autumn and "spring
colors" in spring (they are not colors, of course--just the
wispiest possible vaguely-directed deviations from white or
black), and change picture frames on the walls, on a solstice,
from a New England Barn in Snow to a New England Barn in Summer,
hold on, when I said bow I actually meant BARF-O-RAMA

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02003-03-13 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> But it didn't happen in THIS country, did it? YOUR house wasn't destroyed,
> or your family killed, was it? I'm not going to bother getting through to
> you people about what war is REALLY like any longer. Have it your way,
> This is my last response on the subject. Theo

What's there to know, it's on TV all the time. You don't get cable?

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I went to a meeting this morning about the potato chip mfr
quality control stuff this morning, and discovered that part of
the mfr process is a metal detector! It's one of the last steps
before packaging.

One of the people at the meeting, Alyce, is a Master Gardener, so
I had a great time talking to her. (In fact, the guy was late, so
we talked for an hour.) She told me that one of Austin's best
nurseries is right down the street from where our meeting was.
I've heard of the nursery, but didn't realize it was Right
There--that was a thrilling discovery. They have gorgeous plants
and I spent $20. I bought a lime tree, among other things.

After that, I went to visit Ligniere and discovered that he has a
secret stash of wine where I can get at it--so if I ever need
some, I can steal his. That was useful.

And then, I went to visit A New Friend, and I learned how to spin
yarn from wool! It was so much fun! It's like making something
out of nothing. She gave me a huge hunk of unspun wool to spin,
but I managed to break the spindle in half when I was on the
phone after I got home, so... I need to see if I can make another
one. I can see me getting totally hooked on fiber. She
participates in a sheep-to-shawl contest that I think would be a
lot of fun.

Her parting words to me were "If you need some more, I can hook
you up". OHMIGOD!!!! Isn't that what crack dealers say?!

Jeff,
well on the road to hell and in need of a nap

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02003-03-14 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> -------------------------------------------
> "Imagine a biological and metabolic force converting into tangible form.
> And as that force transmogrifies and begins to take shape, it must follow
> one rule: it cannot subdivide into separate entities, even though it is
> compelled to do so at every turn. This is the process that governs Matthew
> Barney’s CREMASTER series, a five-part film cycle accompanied by related
> sculptures, photographs, and drawings. Begun in 1995, with a projected
> completion date of 2002, the cycle describes the evolution of form through
> elaborate biochemical and psychosexual metaphors. Eschewing chronological
> order, Barney has completed parts 4, 1, 5, and 2 of the series thus far,
> each of which narrates fantastical allegories of growth, transformation,
> and physical transcendence. Taking the cremaster muscle (which controls
> testicular contractions in response to external stimuli) as their
> conceptual departure point, the films circulate around anatomical
> conditions of “ascension” and “descension” to metaphorically describe
> imaginary beings suspended in states of latency. In Barney’s eccentrically
> erotic universe, nothing is construed as simply one thing or the other.
> Rigid dualistic categories—male/female, entropy/order—give way to an
> enclosed system capable of self-mutation. Hybrid creatures revel in zones
> of genital indeterminacy, struggling to retain their polymorphous nature."
> ---------------------------

There are several interesting points about the surface of this text
(i.e., for this text, this text):

#1 Windows smart-quotes: an infallible sign of whorethought.

#2 Beginning of a sentence with "and", which immediately establishes
   the whoretheme of a sloppy English, antithetical for instance to
   any telling of "deep Celtic myths".

#3 Zillions of redundancies, such as "subdivide" for "divide",
   "suspended in latency", and "film cycle" for "film", stupidities
   such as "chronological order" for "numerical order" and "dualistic
   [something] in entropy and order", and pretensions such as "4,1,5,2"
   for "1,2,4,5" and "ascension" for "ascent"--altogether amounting to
   a cheapass quest for whorethrills.

Even if you self-mutify the fundamental and rigidly dualistic categories
of thought, namely "pimp/ho", you know which end of the spectrum a
write-up like this is at ...

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 6:23:30 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>> OK, that's two separate opinions that they are gay

> Whatever happened to the teletubbies, did they grow up to be Jeff & Akbar?

I am not gay.

Jeff

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02003-03-14 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > Just imagine a damn biological and metabolic force converting into
> > tangible form, will you?
>
> OK, I'll try:
>
> Looks a lot like -YOU-, you bald chocolate jesus smouldering with the
overwhelming sexuality of a superpimped love-god
>
> swoon

Dr Borkin, *please*. People are staring.

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02003-03-14 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > OK, that's two separate opinions that they are gay
>
> Whatever happened to the teletubbies, did they grow up to be Jeff & Akbar?

Nope, still revelling in zones of genital indeterminacy, struggling
to retain their polymorphous nature.

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02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Friday, March 14, 2003, 6:23:30 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>
> >> OK, that's two separate opinions that they are gay
> >
> > Whatever happened to the teletubbies, did they grow up to be Jeff & Akbar?
>
> I am not gay.
>
> Jeff

I am not married.

Al Bundy

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02003-03-14 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>
> INTERESTING STUFF.

Thank you, Borkin. The last incidence of this remark happened in a bar.
A BAR--the one where Kwak may be drunk. The bad thing about serving beers
which are hard to find in an area is that they are relatively expensive
and that leads to a percentage of JAGOFFs frequenting the bar. For example
the kind of JAGOFF who hears the bartender say "people can be very particular
about beer" and reply "guilty"--"guilty", just like that. What a stupidass!
And then there is the type I heard yesterday, asking some stunningly mundane
question about why the bar's license to serve food or whatever has been so
slow in coming, and after hearing the bartender reply with polite evasions,
saying "you make some inetersting points, but". Poor damn Michael ... If
it was for example V*to (employed at another bar), he would have kicked
this dumbass out immediately.

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02003-03-14 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Tushar,
> you make some interesting points, though they are arguably overstated.

Thank you! I knew I was on to something.

> But at least no one has made the mistake of trying to compliment you
> today!

Compliment? Borkin pretty much fell in my lap a few minutes ago.
Embarrassing, highly embarrassing ... (lame excuse about non-
Parisian shoes notwithstanding)

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 6:51:03 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>> Yes, there's a lot I should put behind me.
>>
>> Evelyn Duncan
>> brandykitt@aol.com
>> This account protected by an attack cabbit.

> Which, apparently, included unsubbing from two addresses.

> *sigh*

Are you *whining*???? What happened to my determinedly cheerful
Adam who would never tell anyone to fuck off?

Jeff

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> Are you *whining*???? What happened to my determinedly cheerful
> Adam who would never tell anyone to fuck off?

No, I'm not whining about it, I'm just sorry that that's how she handled
whatever it was that caused her to unsub.

Oh, I tell people to fuck off, and mean it, from time to time. I'm not
always the List Honey.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com
p.s. "Jeff" ?

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 7:07:15 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> Are you *whining*???? What happened to my determinedly cheerful
>> Adam who would never tell anyone to fuck off?

> No, I'm not whining about it, I'm just sorry that that's how she handled
> whatever it was that caused her to unsub.

What?! Evelyn unsubbed????

So much for Words-L being a support group.

> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com
> p.s. "Jeff" ?

Paul has always wanted to be Akbar, so this is my obvious role...

Jeff

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In a message dated 3/14/2003 6:07:29 PM, adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<< Oh, I tell people to fuck off, and mean it, from time to time. I'm not
always the List Honey.
 >>

If you told her to fuck off, you needlessly hurt her feelings, Adam.
She was having a difficult time, and you shouldn't have added to her
misery. Theo

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 7:26:49 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:
> In a message dated 3/14/2003 6:07:29 PM, adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:
> << Oh, I tell people to fuck off, and mean it, from time to time. I'm not
> always the List Honey.
>  >>

> If you told her to fuck off, you needlessly hurt her feelings, Adam.
> She was having a difficult time, and you shouldn't have added to her
> misery. Theo

GET A CLUE, THEO!!!!

Adam didn't tell Evelyn to fuck off. I misunderstood what Adam
was saying and was surprised that he was whining (as I thought),
because he is normally such a sweetie.

Jeff

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Y'all can be interesting again now.  I'm home.  More about my travels
later.
--
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In a message dated 3/14/2003 6:14:02 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< So much for Words-L being a support group.
 >>

You said it. She was hurting and she didn't get any support from y'all. Theo

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At 05:35 PM 3/14/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Friday, March 14, 2003, 4:21:25 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >> let alone a cell phone...)
>
> > Who needs a cell phone?
>
>Anyone who goes anywhere. It's *very* tough to find a payphone
>these days.

I rarely use my cell phone.   I'm cutting on my coverage. Why do you always
need to call someone?

Betty

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At 07:51 PM 3/14/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > Yes, there's a lot I should put behind me.
> >
> > Evelyn Duncan
> > brandykitt@aol.com
> > This account protected by an attack cabbit.
>
>Which, apparently, included unsubbing from two addresses.
>
>*sigh*

She'll be back.  She came back last time after 24 hours.

Betty

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 7:38:13 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 05:35 PM 3/14/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Friday, March 14, 2003, 4:21:25 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
>> > Karen Kay wrote:
>> >> let alone a cell phone...)
>>
>> > Who needs a cell phone?
>>
>>Anyone who goes anywhere. It's *very* tough to find a payphone
>>these days.

> I rarely use my cell phone.   I'm cutting on my coverage. Why do you always
> need to call someone?

I don't always need to call someone. If I'm out all day, I use it to phone
my voicemail--that's how I found out about the meeting today.

Jeff

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 7:43:31 PM, Betty wrote:

> At 08:26 PM 3/14/2003 -0500, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>>In a message dated 3/14/2003 6:07:29 PM, adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:
>>
>><< Oh, I tell people to fuck off, and mean it, from time to time. I'm not
>>always the List Honey.
>>  >>
>>
>>If you told her to fuck off, you needlessly hurt her feelings, Adam.
>>She was having a difficult time, and you shouldn't have added to her
>>misery. Theo

> Yeah, Adam.  Apologize immediately!

You are Bad, Betty! Don't feed the trolls!

Jeff

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02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> I misunderstood what Adam was saying

That's a symptom of needing a clue. I mean this is cluelessness
on an epic scale. Sheeze

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 7:48:27 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> I misunderstood what Adam was saying

> That's a symptom of needing a clue. I mean this is cluelessness
> on an epic scale. Sheeze

Tushar! You be more supportive or I'll unsub!!!!!!

Jeff

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> What?! Evelyn unsubbed????

That's what I said in my first message, duh.

> So much for Words-L being a support group.

*shrug* She goes through phases.

> Paul has always wanted to be Akbar, so this is my obvious role...
>
> Jeff

Right. I read that in later posts.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 7:52:53 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> What?! Evelyn unsubbed????

> That's what I said in my first message, duh.

No, you said that she needed to put unsubbing behind her. I
didn't understand the statement.

> Right. I read that in later posts.

I love my Akbar!

Jeff

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02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Friday, March 14, 2003, 7:48:27 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> I misunderstood what Adam was saying
>
> > That's a symptom of needing a clue. I mean this is cluelessness
> > on an epic scale. Sheeze
>
> Tushar! You be more supportive or I'll unsub!!!!!!

YaY!

Let's analyze your thinking here ... "Evelyn was on the list and
now she isn't--a thing which has happened a few times. Adam, who
is in a position to know who is on the list, and whom I call Honey
or some such epithet so often I cloy myself, posts expressing
disappointment that she isn't on the list. So, what could have
happened? Of course! Adam must have been a rude bastard and asked
her to FUCK OFF. Since that's surprising to the point of being
incredible, I'll credit it immediately!"

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02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> No, you said that she needed to put unsubbing behind her.

Take it up with Theo ... it's worked wonders for me.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-14 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
>
>>In a message dated 3/14/2003 6:14:02 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>>
>><< So much for Words-L being a support group.
>>
>>You said it. She was hurting and she didn't get any support from y'all. Theo
>>
>
> This is not a free service. Yes, I personally subscribed so I can
> flame people about things, but I find things to flame on my own,
> not depend on others to feed me. You constantly beg for flameable
> straight lines, and I am sorry but I cannot bring myself to respect
> that.


        Flame pimp.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 07:31 PM 3/14/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Y'all can be interesting again now.  I'm home.  More about my travels
>later.

Did you buy a house?

Betty

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At 07:44 PM 3/14/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> > > > Who needs a cell phone?
> > >
> > >Anyone who goes anywhere. It's *very* tough to find a payphone
> > >these days.
> >
> > I rarely use my cell phone.   I'm cutting on my coverage. Why do you always
> > need to call someone?
>
>I've been trying to figure out what to do about the cell phone
>situation.  I have no need for a cell phone 99.99% of the time.  I got
>the cell phone because of worry about my mother and needing to be
>reachable wherever I was.  Now that she's no longer alive, my only use
>of it is for leaving the number at Furrbabies when I travel so that I
>don't have to plan in advance exactly where I'll be every night and
>leave a bunch of numbers.  Since I don't travel all that much, having a
>cell phone seems extreme.  I'm almost certainly going to drop it.  It
>would be cheaper to call Furrbabies every night when traveling than to
>have a cell phone.  But I'm having some misgivings about Furrbabies.
>I'm getting some bad vibes.  Am pondering them.

Oh, oh.  Maybe you could find a kid like Alyce did to take care of him when
you travel.

Speaking of Alyce. . . . Alyce, did your sister arrive?

Betty

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>
>>No, you said that she needed to put unsubbing behind her.
>>
>
> Take it up with Theo ... it's worked wonders for me.


        Get behind me, Satan.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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02003-03-14 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >02003-03-14 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> >
> >>In a message dated 3/14/2003 6:14:02 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> >>
> >><< So much for Words-L being a support group.
> >>
> >>You said it. She was hurting and she didn't get any support from y'all.
> >>Theo
> >>
> >
> >This is not a free service. Yes, I personally subscribed so I can
> >flame people about things, but I find things to flame on my own,
> >not depend on others to feed me. You constantly beg for flameable
> >straight lines, and I am sorry but I cannot bring myself to respect
> >that.
>
>
>        Flame pimp.

What a delightfully eccentric way of saying you are melting!
*blush* I have not deserved this ...

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02003-03-14 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 08:09 PM 3/14/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >Just as I expected ... the shittiest damn behavior I have ever
> >faced. Whatever. Screw you and the education system which taught
> >you this. This is the last I am posting on this subject.
>
>
> That's funny---you don't <look> Dutch...

Oh dear me ... you don't look like an insensitive asshole either.
But you still did manage to drive away a wordsler who was hurting.
So piss off ...

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In a message dated 3/14/2003 7:00:02 PM, bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<< I hope you'll write to her, Theo.
 >>

FYI,  I am, Betty. And I don't give a fuck who disapproves either. She's a
good person, and we know it. Theo

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On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

> Theodora Groothof wrote:
> > You said it. She was hurting and she didn't get any support from y'all.
>
> Evelyn always has been given top quality Wordsler support, through her
> good times and the bad. I am upset to learn that she uns*bbed and don't
> understand why she did it.
>
> alyce
>

Enjoyable as the repartee has been, have y'all considered the possibility
that she is going away for the weekend?

(in the absence of any evidence)
clo

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On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Theodora Groothof wrote:

>I didn't remark on the fact that she misspelled *foreign* TWICE with all her
>college degrees. And that is *teaching* our youngsters? Just wondering Theo

I am always fascinated by the propensity of some of <us> to confuse
spelling and keyboarding.

Bethany

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On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> > Both of you--fuck off. Out!
>
>
>         And, as the Official Voice of Words-l, I disaprove of their
> association.  No talking you two.  Out!

What a stone-ass BITCH.

Mutt

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>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>>I find this upsetting.  Surely she will come back!  Evelyn is one of the
>>people at the <heart> of Words-L.
>
>Wordslers always come back. Richard came back!

I think she got upset at all the bickering with Theo -- the "fuck offs" and
such which I, of course, think Theo brings on herself, but that Evelyn
doesn't see it that way.

I've recently made some comments to Evelyn which I hope she didn't take
offense at -- semi-tough love. I know Evelyn is a little fragile, but it's
fair to say she also needs a reality check sometimes, to pick herself up and
face forward, not back. I hope she comes back, but if she's doing this to
put something behind her (maybe she has some heavy resentments against some
people here, I don't know), so be it. Let her go and wish her the best.

Marie

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>opossum or racoon, and heard a sickening thud, that is what it
>sounded like, magnified many times!"


She says opossum.

People just want to get to work and many may support the same feelings but
get the hell out of the way.

Betty

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> >No college kids around? What is ideal is to find someone willing to stay at
> >your house when you are away.

I haven't seen the original yet but am replying to the quoting of it.
There were certainly college students aplenty in my old neighborhood,
which is why I left it.  Not in my current immediate neighborhood.  The
problem with a student, of course, is that we are likely to be out of
town at the same time.

> Or a dog swap with another dog owner.

That would be very nice.  I wish I knew somebody interested in such an
arrangement.  I've stayed alert for this kind of possibility for a long
time now, but dog owners I know have other arrangements in place.

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Betty wrote:

>  Find
> out where the old owner went.

She wasn't the owner.  The current owner was the owner then also.  But
this person and her husband lived at Fbabies, and she seemed to be the
primary caregiver to the dogs.  I know where she went.  Or at least I
think I do -- as in I heard it somewhere.  She supposedly opened a
grooming place in West Point.  I might try to find her and inquire of
her about dog-sitting places she might know of.  It should be easy to
find her even if I can't find her grooming place since I think she was
very active in PAWS in Columbus (the therapy-dog group).

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Betty wrote:

> You don't have to move.  You should probably stay in a college town. You
> can go visit other quaint areas.

It's true that I wouldn't want to be somewhere that didn't have at least
some of the attributes of a college town.

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At 08:33 PM 3/14/2003 -0500, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>In a message dated 3/14/2003 6:14:02 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>
><< So much for Words-L being a support group.
>  >>
>
>You said it. She was hurting and she didn't get any support from y'all. Theo

I hope you'll write to her, Theo.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-14 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>
>>>02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>No, you said that she needed to put unsubbing behind her.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Take it up with Theo ... it's worked wonders for me.
>>>
>>       Get behind me, Satan.
>>
>
> I guess you have never really been in HELL, have you? No wonder
> all of you endorse the use of "satan" in this casual way. Dumb
> ass Americans!


        Oh, stop!  Stop!  Your sophisticated mode of discourse and
worldly wisdom is making me weak with desire!




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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02003-03-14 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> Speaking of Alyce. . . . Alyce, did your sister arrive?

I think that's tomorrow.

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02003-03-14 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >02003-03-14 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> >>Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>No, you said that she needed to put unsubbing behind her.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Take it up with Theo ... it's worked wonders for me.
> >>>
> >>      Get behind me, Satan.
> >>
> >
> >I guess you have never really been in HELL, have you? No wonder
> >all of you endorse the use of "satan" in this casual way. Dumb
> >ass Americans!
>
>
>        Oh, stop!  Stop!  Your sophisticated mode of discourse and
> worldly wisdom is making me weak with desire!


Just as I expected ... the shittiest damn behavior I have ever
faced. Whatever. Screw you and the education system which taught
you this. This is the last I am posting on this subject.

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02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Friday, March 14, 2003, 8:03:20 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-14 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> Speaking of Alyce. . . . Alyce, did your sister arrive?
>
> > I think that's tomorrow.
>
> It was Thursday at first, but then there was snow, and she was
> going to arrive the following day, which is Friday.
>
> Do you know something you're not telling? Do you have Insider
> Information, O Akbar-wannabe?

WRONG

I have been an Anthony-wannabe for a long time.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-14 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>
>>>02003-03-14 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>No, you said that she needed to put unsubbing behind her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Take it up with Theo ... it's worked wonders for me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>     Get behind me, Satan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I guess you have never really been in HELL, have you? No wonder
>>>all of you endorse the use of "satan" in this casual way. Dumb
>>>ass Americans!
>>>
>>
>>       Oh, stop!  Stop!  Your sophisticated mode of discourse and
>>worldly wisdom is making me weak with desire!
>>
>
>
> Just as I expected ... the shittiest damn behavior I have ever
> faced. Whatever. Screw you and the education system which taught
> you this. This is the last I am posting on this subject.


        YaY!




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Friday, March 14, 2003, 8:03:20 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-14 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
>> Speaking of Alyce. . . . Alyce, did your sister arrive?

> I think that's tomorrow.

It was Thursday at first, but then there was snow, and she was
going to arrive the following day, which is Friday.

Do you know something you're not telling? Do you have Insider
Information, O Akbar-wannabe?

Jeff

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At 07:49 PM 3/14/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Friday, March 14, 2003, 7:48:27 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> I misunderstood what Adam was saying
>
> > That's a symptom of needing a clue. I mean this is cluelessness
> > on an epic scale. Sheeze
>
>Tushar! You be more supportive or I'll unsub!!!!!!

Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out!

Support R Us

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At 08:09 PM 3/14/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:

>Just as I expected ... the shittiest damn behavior I have ever
>faced. Whatever. Screw you and the education system which taught
>you this. This is the last I am posting on this subject.


That's funny---you don't <look> Dutch...

cwv

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 8:20:55 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 07:49 PM 3/14/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Friday, March 14, 2003, 7:48:27 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>> > 02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> I misunderstood what Adam was saying
>>
>> > That's a symptom of needing a clue. I mean this is cluelessness
>> > on an epic scale. Sheeze
>>
>>Tushar! You be more supportive or I'll unsub!!!!!!

> Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out!

> Support R Us

Fuck you, Bad Betty!!! I learned how to spin today and I don't
need you any more!

Jeff

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02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Friday, March 14, 2003, 8:20:55 PM, Betty wrote:
> > At 07:49 PM 3/14/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Friday, March 14, 2003, 7:48:27 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>
> >> > 02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> >> I misunderstood what Adam was saying
> >>
> >> > That's a symptom of needing a clue. I mean this is cluelessness
> >> > on an epic scale. Sheeze
> >>
> >>Tushar! You be more supportive or I'll unsub!!!!!!
>
> > Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out!
>
> > Support R Us
>
> Fuck you, Bad Betty!!! I learned how to spin today and I don't
> need you any more!

Both of you--fuck off. Out!

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02003-03-14 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >02003-03-14 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> >>Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>02003-03-14 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>No, you said that she needed to put unsubbing behind her.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>Take it up with Theo ... it's worked wonders for me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>    Get behind me, Satan.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I guess you have never really been in HELL, have you? No wonder
> >>>all of you endorse the use of "satan" in this casual way. Dumb
> >>>ass Americans!
> >>>
> >>
> >>      Oh, stop!  Stop!  Your sophisticated mode of discourse and
> >>worldly wisdom is making me weak with desire!
> >>
> >
> >
> >Just as I expected ... the shittiest damn behavior I have ever
> >faced. Whatever. Screw you and the education system which taught
> >you this. This is the last I am posting on this subject.
>
>
>        YaY!


I'd like to hear what syllable comes out your uneducated mouth
when somebody makes you unsub with rude remarks......HUGZ

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At 08:17 PM 3/14/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Friday, March 14, 2003, 8:20:55 PM, Betty wrote:
> > At 07:49 PM 3/14/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Friday, March 14, 2003, 7:48:27 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>
> >> > 02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> >> I misunderstood what Adam was saying
> >>
> >> > That's a symptom of needing a clue. I mean this is cluelessness
> >> > on an epic scale. Sheeze
> >>
> >>Tushar! You be more supportive or I'll unsub!!!!!!
>
> > Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out!
>
> > Support R Us
>
>Fuck you, Bad Betty!!! I learned how to spin today and I don't
>need you any more!

<SOB>  You really know how to hurt a person.

Are you going to Maine?

Betty

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 8:32:11 PM, Betty wrote:
> Are you going to Maine?

If Akbar stops to pick me up on his way!

Jeff

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-14 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>
>>>02003-03-14 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>02003-03-14 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No, you said that she needed to put unsubbing behind her.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Take it up with Theo ... it's worked wonders for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Get behind me, Satan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>I guess you have never really been in HELL, have you? No wonder
>>>>>all of you endorse the use of "satan" in this casual way. Dumb
>>>>>ass Americans!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>     Oh, stop!  Stop!  Your sophisticated mode of discourse and
>>>>worldly wisdom is making me weak with desire!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Just as I expected ... the shittiest damn behavior I have ever
>>>faced. Whatever. Screw you and the education system which taught
>>>you this. This is the last I am posting on this subject.
>>>
>>
>>       YaY!
>>
>
>
> I'd like to hear what syllable comes out your uneducated mouth
> when somebody makes you unsub with rude remarks......HUGZ


        Cheeyah.  Like, that never even happened in 1991.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Friday, March 14, 2003, 8:31:27 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/14/2003 7:00:02 PM, bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

> << I hope you'll write to her, Theo.
>  >>

> FYI,  I am, Betty. And I don't give a fuck who disapproves either. She's a
> good person, and we know it. Theo

Who disapproves????????????????????? No one.

Jeff

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>
>>Friday, March 14, 2003, 8:20:55 PM, Betty wrote:
>>
>>>At 07:49 PM 3/14/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>>
>>>>Friday, March 14, 2003, 7:48:27 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I misunderstood what Adam was saying
>>>>>>
>>>>>That's a symptom of needing a clue. I mean this is cluelessness
>>>>>on an epic scale. Sheeze
>>>>>
>>>>Tushar! You be more supportive or I'll unsub!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out!
>>>
>>>Support R Us
>>>
>>Fuck you, Bad Betty!!! I learned how to spin today and I don't
>>need you any more!
>>
>
> Both of you--fuck off. Out!


        And, as the Official Voice of Words-l, I disaprove of their
association.  No talking you two.  Out!




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In a message dated 3/14/2003 7:16:26 PM, bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<< Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out!

Support R Us
 >>

ROFL!!! Theo

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 8:41:34 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 08:29 PM 3/14/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Friday, March 14, 2003, 8:32:11 PM, Betty wrote:
>> > Are you going to Maine?
>>
>>If Akbar stops to pick me up on his way!

> Maybe JMW can and then he can swing by and get Sylvia!

YES!!!!!!!!

Jeff

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In a message dated 3/14/2003 7:26:25 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<< I'd like to hear what syllable comes out your uneducated mouth
when somebody makes you unsub with rude remarks......HUGZ
 >>

I didn't remark on the fact that she misspelled *foreign* TWICE with all her
college degrees. And that is *teaching* our youngsters? Just wondering Theo

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On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> And then, I went to visit A New Friend, and I learned how to spin
> yarn from wool! *snip*

It does sound like a good day. Like you, I am fascinated by fabric
construction. If I am sane enough when packing, I will bring you some of
the yarn my daughter has spun. I don't have the patience to get the hang
of drop spindle work, but I have a pretty good rhythm for a neophyte on
the wheel. I also used to do bobbin lace, netting, and needle lace, back
before I had a day job and an avocation and...

> I can see me getting totally hooked on fiber.
*snip*

I get hooked on it all the time. Hangnails, zipper pulls, the springy
thing that makes the door close as I go out...

clo

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Friday, March 14, 2003, 8:55:32 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> It does sound like a good day. Like you, I am fascinated by fabric
> construction. If I am sane enough when packing, I will bring you some of
> the yarn my daughter has spun.

Oh, lovely!

> I don't have the patience to get the hang of drop spindle work,
> but I have a pretty good rhythm for a neophyte on the wheel.

Ah! I tried two different drop spindles, one heavy and one light.
The heavy one was quite easy to use.

>  I also used to do bobbin lace, netting, and needle lace, back
> before I had a day job and an avocation and...

I managed to escape this, but I admire it a lot. A grad school
friend used to tat.

>> I can see me getting totally hooked on fiber.
> *snip*

> I get hooked on it all the time. Hangnails, zipper pulls, the springy
> thing that makes the door close as I go out...

I am such a great punster when I have no idea what I'm doing!!!!

Jeff

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> >        Oh, stop!  Stop!  Your sophisticated mode of discourse and
> > worldly wisdom is making me weak with desire!
>
>
> Just as I expected ... the shittiest damn behavior I have ever
> faced. Whatever. Screw you and the education system which taught
> you this. This is the last I am posting on this subject.

Jeez, grow up and learn to take a fucking COMPLIMENT will you?

Ann

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On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Theodora Groothof wrote:

> FYI,  I am, Betty. And I don't give a fuck who disapproves either. She's a
> good person, and we know it. Theo

Who's 'we'?  You and Old Europe?

Mutt

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On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Who disapproves????????????????????? No one.
>
> Jeff

Speak for yourself, "Jeff."

Mutt

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>
> I didn't remark on the fact that she misspelled *foreign* TWICE with all her
> college degrees. And that is *teaching* our youngsters? Just wondering Theo

Good eye, Theo.  TWICE, huh?  Some "teacher."  Throwing herself at any
stupid pimp that happens by words-l.

Ann

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
> I am always fascinated by the propensity of some of <us> to confuse
> spelling and keyboarding.

Keep out of this, Ms. Ho Aplenty!  "propensity" ha ha ha that's one of
them "I'm an ass" words.

Mutt

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On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-14 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >
> > > Just imagine a damn biological and metabolic force converting into
> > > tangible form, will you?
> >
> > OK, I'll try:
> >
> > Looks a lot like -YOU-, you bald chocolate monkey smirking with the
> dwindling sexuality of a superpimped Ken doll
> >
> > swoon
>
> Dr Borkin, *please*. People are staring.

Well if you didn't lift your leg when you pee it would help a lot.

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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:47:49 -0600
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This is from a letter I got last week from my older sister who
lives in Rock Island, IL. I don't think I posted this before, but
if I did, well...sorry! I am still quite appalled by this.

Karen

"I am finishing this up on Saturday---yesterday was the worst
(non-violent action) peace protest ever here: a group of my
friends blocked morning traffic to the Arsenal with the purpose
of getting arrested, bearing a banner stating "War in Iraq...Not
in our name." (Not on arsenal property, but on Rock Island side.)
What I couldn't believe was that people actually rammed the
protesters with their cars, and looked like they would actually
drive over the bodies! (Other regular banners include "support
our troops---no war in Iraq!;" lately I have been carrying
Barbara Lee's words "Let us not become the evil we
deplore"---when Bush was in town, he saw my other poster that
read "Iraqi lives are precious, too!" in response to one of his
speeches; I still carry that sometimes...---Anyway, I was
standing with others across the street from the attention-getting
lawbreakers so had a good view of the events---all this violence
just to get to work, and remember this isn't just arsenal
employees, anyone can use the bridge...anyway, I was traumatized
for the rest of the day. Both the Arsenal police as well as those
from the city who actually made the arrests were excellent---I
was so glad they arrived, and even they had a hard time
controlling some of the wild drivers! At the same time, we had
our usual honks of support and thumbs-up signs, even in front of
the Arsenal police! None of the protesters who were hit had
severe injuries---the hardest hit was a 25-year-old young man who
went flying when he was side-swiped; if you have ever hit an
opossum or racoon, and heard a sickening thud, that is what it
sounded like, magnified many times!"

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In a message dated 3/14/2003 8:03:57 PM, dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:

<< I am always fascinated by the propensity of some of <us> to confuse
spelling and keyboarding.

Bethany
 >>

What does keyboarding have to do with spelling? If you are a teacher you
should be able to spell the language you teach, no matter which one it is.
When you are on a keyboard you are able to correct a word you misspelled. If
*I* notice it, you, as a teacher, certainly should, or you have no business
teaching afaic. So I, as a foriegner ,(big grin), have no admiration for the
quality of education in this country. Theo

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-03-14 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > because they were busy fixing the problem!
= >
= > clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
= > = This from our esteemed departmental computer support group. Why it took
= > = them three days to think of letting us know, I can't fathom!
=
= Sorry, I cannot support this staff. I sympathize with frazzled
= admins spending hours in various states of being in the dark,
= getting (butthead) network providers and other service people
= to cooperate, salvaging lost data, deciding what to give up on,
= etc etc, but they can't write a lousy email saying "it's not
= you"?
=

Actually, I find it a pretty good indicator of the quality of the
management of their departmantal computer support group.  In this
case they're on the road to improvement.  They acutally got a
note out about the problem.

Isn't it that you've never worked any place big enough to have
this kind of communication breakdown?

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On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Theodora Groothof wrote:

>What does keyboarding have to do with spelling?

Theo, they are separate activities.

>When you are on a keyboard you are able to correct a word you misspelled.
If >*I* notice it, you, as a teacher, certainly should, or you have no
business >teaching afaic.

So unless one is willing to be a prissy spellchecker 24 hours a day, one
should not teach? GIVE me a break ...

Ooops, I meant Give me a brake! Stop it! You are a prissy spellchecker -
it's fine for you to have a hobby, but the rest of us are not required to
have the same one.

Bethany

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On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

>Keep out of this, Ms. Ho Aplenty!  "propensity" ha ha ha that's one of
>them "I'm an ass" words.

Sounds like you know it well!

B.

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At 07:58 AM 3/15/2003 -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> >What does keyboarding have to do with spelling?
>
>Theo, they are separate activities.
>
> >When you are on a keyboard you are able to correct a word you misspelled.
>If >*I* notice it, you, as a teacher, certainly should, or you have no
>business >teaching afaic.
>
>So unless one is willing to be a prissy spellchecker 24 hours a day, one
>should not teach? GIVE me a break ...
>
>Ooops, I meant Give me a brake! Stop it! You are a prissy spellchecker -
>it's fine for you to have a hobby, but the rest of us are not required to
>have the same one.
>
>Bethany

Besides, that is Karen's job.

B

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Betty wrote:

> Did you buy a house?

No.  The only one I saw for sale that wasn't a falling-down hovel was
too expensive.  Those that I had posted pictures of turned out to be
quite sad.  In a couple of cases the house itself wasn't so terrible,
but the neighborhood was an eyesore.  I don't like <regular>
neighborhoods, as in subdivisions of houses of similar price, style, and
occupants.  I prefer odd neighborhoods -- diversity, etc.  But the Bay
St. Louis situation is extreme.  I don't want to look out across the
ally-type street at a shack with a confederate flag across its side and
garbage and tires in the yard.

I wish I had taken some pictures of some of the houses, showing a wider
view than is shown on the real estate pages.  But it was drizzling and
misting much of the time I was there, and there weren't any convenient
places to stop on the narrow streets.  The town really is fascinating.
It's a combination of slum and quaintness.  What I think may be going on
is a gradual change to something really artsy and cute, but, as far as
the houses go, it's still in a very early stage.  Slumminess still rules
most areas.

More later.  I'm still pondering the whole scene.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
> You said it. She was hurting and she didn't get any support from y'all.

Evelyn always has been given top quality Wordsler support, through her
good times and the bad. I am upset to learn that she uns*bbed and don't
understand why she did it.

alyce

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Betty wrote:

> Oh, oh.  Maybe you could find a kid like Alyce did to take care of him when
> you travel.

There are no children in my neighborhood.  I do plan to check out some
of the other Furrbabies type places, though.  I think I mentioned a good
while back that I liked the person who used to live at Furrbabies and
seemed to be the one mainly in charge.  She left a long time ago,
though.  The owner is ok, but sometimes she seems a bit phony.  The
prices keep going up, which is not my major concern since Spencer is
worth high prices, but also the hours of pickup and delivery get
shorter, you have to pay for another whole day if picking up after noon,
employees keep quitting, etc.  And Spencer just doesn't seem as happy
with the place.  Also -- and this was a biggy to me -- when we got home
yesterday, he headed straight for his water bowl and drank lots of
water.  This made me wonder whether Fbabies has started doing what I've
heard that vets often do with boarding dogs -- water-deprive them to
reduce the amount of urine floating around the place.  All in all, I
think it's time to do some exploring of other possibilities.  I wish I
could find a dog medium like the one in the book I read recently to
communicate with Spencer and find out exactly what life is like at
Fbabies.  Have any of you by chance read the book by the man whose
golden retriever would alert him to heart attacks?  You've probably
heard of this man or seen him on tv.  The book is not particularly well
written but was nevertheless interesting to me until it got a bit too
<psychic> -- about finding out that Dakota (aka Cody) was actually an
angel inside a dog's body and that he was incarnated as this dog in
order to show the importance of the dog-human bond and make life better
for service dogs, etc.  Some of this info was gleaned through Brenda,
the dog communicator, who could find out exactly what Dakota was
thinking, even when they weren't together.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Evelyn always has been given top quality Wordsler support, through her
> good times and the bad. I am upset to learn that she uns*bbed and don't
> understand why she did it.

I find this upsetting.  Surely she will come back!  Evelyn is one of the
people at the <heart> of Words-L.

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Where does one find the little paper things to go around candles for a
candlelight vigil?  And what kinds of candles and what kinds of holders,
etc?  I've never vigiled before but need to find the right equipment
before tomorrow night.

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Betty wrote:

> She says opossum.

I suspected all along that that O was from Karen's midwestern
background, not from her current life.

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 7:43:16 AM, Betty wrote:
>>opossum or racoon, and heard a sickening thud, that is what it
>>sounded like, magnified many times!"

> She says opossum.

I did notice that.

> People just want to get to work and many may support the same feelings but
> get the hell out of the way.

Oh, please. You'd never deliberately hit a human being with your
car, Betty. You're not that Bad.:(

Jeff

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 7:48:32 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Betty wrote:
>> She says opossum.

> I suspected all along that that O was from Karen's midwestern
> background, not from her current life.

I never said it was from my current life. I *think* what I
said--and what I still believe--is that it's a spelling thing,
not a pronunciation thing. The *name of the animal* is opossum.
When you look up 'possum' in the dictionary, it says 'short for
opossum'.

Jeff

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>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>Where does one find the little paper things to go around candles for a
>candlelight vigil?  And what kinds of candles and what kinds of holders,
>etc?  I've never vigiled before but need to find the right equipment
>before tomorrow night.

Any (slow-burning) taper candle would work. And you could fashion one of
those paper things -- which I presume are to keep the wax from melting onto
your hand from a paper plate (the floppy white kind) or any thin cardboard.
Cut a circle, cut a slit to the center, cut out a hole for the candle in
that center, wrap the cardboard around the candle, stick a piece of scotch
tape on it.

Not that I've vigilled much -- my only vigil was a post-9/11 memorial for
the men who died on our block -- and I didn't have a hand-protector thingie.

Marie

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 8:14:45 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> Any (slow-burning) taper candle would work. And you could fashion one of
> those paper things -- which I presume are to keep the wax from melting onto
> your hand from a paper plate (the floppy white kind) or any thin cardboard.

Or a small paper/plastic bowl.

Jeff

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At 07:34 AM 3/15/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>More later.  I'm still pondering the whole scene.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

You don't have to move.  You should probably stay in a college town. You
can go visit other quaint areas.

Betty

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At 07:44 AM 3/15/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Oh, oh.  Maybe you could find a kid like Alyce did to take care of him when
> > you travel.
>
>There are no children in my neighborhood.  I do plan to check out some
>of the other Furrbabies type places, though.  I think I mentioned a good
>while back that I liked the person who used to live at Furrbabies and
>seemed to be the one mainly in charge.  She left a long time ago,
>though.  The owner is ok, but sometimes she seems a bit phony.  The
>prices keep going up, which is not my major concern since Spencer is
>worth high prices, but also the hours of pickup and delivery get
>shorter, you have to pay for another whole day if picking up after noon,
>employees keep quitting, etc.  And Spencer just doesn't seem as happy
>with the place.  Also -- and this was a biggy to me -- when we got home
>yesterday, he headed straight for his water bowl and drank lots of
>water.  This made me wonder whether Fbabies has started doing what I've
>heard that vets often do with boarding dogs -- water-deprive them to
>reduce the amount of urine floating around the place.  All in all, I
>think it's time to do some exploring of other possibilities.


Our golden retriever wouldn't eat or drink when he stayed at the vets. Find
out where the old owner went.

No college kids around? What is ideal is to find someone willing to stay at
your house when you are away.

Betty

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>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> >> She says opossum.
>
> > I suspected all along that that O was from Karen's midwestern
> > background, not from her current life.
>
>I never said it was from my current life. I *think* what I
>said--and what I still believe--is that it's a spelling thing,
>not a pronunciation thing. The *name of the animal* is opossum.
>When you look up 'possum' in the dictionary, it says 'short for
>opossum'.

I think I use both. If someone asks, "What's that dead animal on the road?"
I'd probably say, "An opposum." But I also would say "playing possum"
(definitely have said) or "possum stew" (may not have actually ever said,
but if I did...).

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At 07:45 AM 3/15/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>alyce cresap wrote:
>
> > Evelyn always has been given top quality Wordsler support, through her
> > good times and the bad. I am upset to learn that she uns*bbed and don't
> > understand why she did it.
>
>I find this upsetting.  Surely she will come back!  Evelyn is one of the
>people at the <heart> of Words-L.

Wordslers always come back. Richard came back!

B

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>No college kids around? What is ideal is to find someone willing to stay at
>your house when you are away.

Or a dog swap with another dog owner.

Marie

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At 07:47 AM 3/15/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Where does one find the little paper things to go around candles for a
>candlelight vigil?  And what kinds of candles and what kinds of holders,
>etc?  I've never vigiled before but need to find the right equipment
>before tomorrow night.

Use a battery operated one.  It's safer.

Betty

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 8:21:42 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> I think I use both. If someone asks, "What's that dead animal on the road?"
> I'd probably say, "An opposum." But I also would say "playing possum"
> (definitely have said) or "possum stew" (may not have actually ever said,
> but if I did...).

When I told my housemate there was one out there, I said
'possum'. But I didn't send him e-mail to do it.

Jeff

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At 08:05 AM 3/15/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Saturday, March 15, 2003, 7:43:16 AM, Betty wrote:
> >>opossum or racoon, and heard a sickening thud, that is what it
> >>sounded like, magnified many times!"
>
> > She says opossum.
>
>I did notice that.
>
> > People just want to get to work and many may support the same feelings but
> > get the hell out of the way.
>
>Oh, please. You'd never deliberately hit a human being with your
>car, Betty. You're not that Bad.:(

Road rage is terrible around here. People need to be medicated.

Betty

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 8:30:16 AM, Betty wrote:
> Road rage is terrible around here. People need to be medicated.

That's true, but my sister lives in Rock Island, IL.

Jeff

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > I suspected all along that that O was from Karen's midwestern
> > background, not from her current life.
>
> I never said it was from my current life. I *think* what I
> said--and what I still believe--is that it's a spelling thing,

I know you said it wasn't from your current life.  I think you said you
weren't sure where it was from -- something about not being a word you
used often.

> not a pronunciation thing. The *name of the animal* is opossum.
> When you look up 'possum' in the dictionary, it says 'short for
> opossum'.

Well, duh.  A dictionary probably says that a crawfish is a crayfish.  I
wasn't talking about <official> language.  I was talking about what
people say.  As I think I've said before, it's funny to imagine the look
on the serving person's face if you ordered crayfish in a restaurant
around here.  And that reminds me of a sign I found funny somewhere in
my recent travels.  It was somewhere I spent some time since I remember
passing the sign several times.  Can't remember where now.  It was a
little shack-type place with a sign outside that said "Crawfish --
boiled or alive."  I finally decided it was a take-out place -- like you
could buy them already cooked and just eat them or you could buy them
live and cook them yourself.

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> Any (slow-burning) taper candle would work. And you could fashion one of
> those paper things -- which I presume are to keep the wax from melting onto
> your hand from a paper plate (the floppy white kind) or any thin cardboard.
> Cut a circle, cut a slit to the center, cut out a hole for the candle in
> that center, wrap the cardboard around the candle, stick a piece of scotch
> tape on it.

Thanks!  Are candles in places like Wmart labeled "slow-burning"?

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Betty wrote:

> Use a battery operated one.  It's safer.

A battery-operated candle?  Where can I find one?  Wmart?  I hate that
we're playing basketball at noon today.  That's an inconvenient time on
a day when I have tons of things to do.  But I need to see us through
this game.  If we lose, which we probably will, I can feel free again
rather than enslaved to basketball times.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/14/2003 7:26:25 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> << I'd like to hear what syllable comes out your uneducated mouth
> when somebody makes you unsub with rude remarks......HUGZ
>  >>
>
> I didn't remark on the fact that she misspelled *foreign* TWICE with all her
> college degrees. And that is *teaching* our youngsters? Just wondering Theo


        How many degrees do I have, Theo?  Do you know?




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At 08:40 AM 3/15/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Marie Ascher wrote:
> >
> > >No college kids around? What is ideal is to find someone willing to
> stay at
> > >your house when you are away.
>
>I haven't seen the original yet but am replying to the quoting of it.
>There were certainly college students aplenty in my old neighborhood,
>which is why I left it.  Not in my current immediate neighborhood.  The
>problem with a student, of course, is that we are likely to be out of
>town at the same time.
>
> > Or a dog swap with another dog owner.
>
>That would be very nice.  I wish I knew somebody interested in such an
>arrangement.  I've stayed alert for this kind of possibility for a long
>time now, but dog owners I know have other arrangements in place.

Ask around. Maybe your lunch bunch can help you out.  My friend uses a
cow-orker.  She has a lovely home with a great view so it's always a treat
to stay there, too.  You may have to throw in incentives.

Betty

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At 08:44 AM 3/15/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Use a battery operated one.  It's safer.
>
>A battery-operated candle?  Where can I find one?  Wmart?

I don't know but I've seen them.


>  I hate that
>we're playing basketball at noon today.  That's an inconvenient time on
>a day when I have tons of things to do.  But I need to see us through
>this game.  If we lose, which we probably will, I can feel free again
>rather than enslaved to basketball times.

We lost last night.  All the top seeds are eliminated from the Pac 10
tournament.  Emily's Bruins almost came through.

Betty

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/14/2003 8:03:57 PM, dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:
>
> << I am always fascinated by the propensity of some of <us> to confuse
> spelling and keyboarding.
>
> Bethany
>  >>
>
> What does keyboarding have to do with spelling? If you are a teacher you
> should be able to spell the language you teach, no matter which one it is.


        I make spelling errors in Greek, too.




> When you are on a keyboard you are able to correct a word you misspelled. If
> *I* notice it, you, as a teacher, certainly should, or you have no business
> teaching afaic. So I, as a foriegner ,(big grin), have no admiration for the
> quality of education in this country. Theo


        Studies show that keyboarding tends to increase in the
incidence of errors by up to 50%.  I know that 'cuz I'm a
bad teacher.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Marie Ascher wrote:

>> No college kids around? What is ideal is to find someone willing to
>> stay at
>> your house when you are away.
>
>
> Or a dog swap with another dog owner.
>


        That's what I do.  That's why I've always got house full of
dogs I don't own.  But I have good places to send my dogs
when I need to.

        In an hour I'm off to the parade!  I'll see if my new camera
takes some good pictures.  Tomorrow I'm expecting a new
rescue from a puppymill in.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Marie Ascher wrote:
>
>
>>Any (slow-burning) taper candle would work. And you could fashion one of
>>those paper things -- which I presume are to keep the wax from melting onto
>>your hand from a paper plate (the floppy white kind) or any thin cardboard.
>>Cut a circle, cut a slit to the center, cut out a hole for the candle in
>>that center, wrap the cardboard around the candle, stick a piece of scotch
>>tape on it.
>>
>
> Thanks!  Are candles in places like Wmart labeled "slow-burning"?
>


        Do you have a religious type store?  We have a place called
"Catholic Supply" around the corner that has all that kind
of stuff.  I think I'd probably swipe a candle stub from the
altar guild, personally.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:12:21 -0600
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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>>Both of you--fuck off. Out!
>>>
>>
>>        And, as the Official Voice of Words-l, I disaprove of their
>>association.  No talking you two.  Out!
>>
>
> What a stone-ass BITCH.
>

        So sayest thou.



--
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Do they all  have expiration dates?

We've been using OneSuite.com but the time expires after six months. I have
to hurry and call people before the end of the month.  I still have over
$5.00 on my account and only use 2.5 cents per minute.  Does anyone want me
to call them?  I think most of the time was used at a higher rate when I
was in Mexico.

Betty

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You doing anything special, Natalie?

Betty

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At 08:29 PM 3/14/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Friday, March 14, 2003, 8:32:11 PM, Betty wrote:
> > Are you going to Maine?
>
>If Akbar stops to pick me up on his way!

Maybe JMW can and then he can swing by and get Sylvia!

Betty

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02003-03-14 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >
> >>No, you said that she needed to put unsubbing behind her.
> >>
> >
> >Take it up with Theo ... it's worked wonders for me.
>
>        Get behind me, Satan.

I guess you have never really been in HELL, have you? No wonder
all of you endorse the use of "satan" in this casual way. Dumb
ass Americans!

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>who is Gerald Bostock?

The St. Clive child prodigy epic poet
disqualified in a last minute rumpus.


--
Richard       wotza EU import quota for umbrellas?

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

you have no business
> teaching afaic.

It's afaik, but that's OK, Theo. None of us is perfect.

alyce

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 11:09:21 AM, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:
>>who is Gerald Bostock?

> The St. Clive child prodigy epic poet
> disqualified in a last minute rumpus.

I think I understand all the words in this sentence, but I'm
having a lot of trouble parsing it for meaning.

Jeff

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 11:13:52 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Theodora Groothof wrote:

> you have no business
>> teaching afaic.

> It's afaik, but that's OK, Theo. None of us is perfect.

I think Theo meant 'as far as I'm concerned'. But it's still a
bizarre thing to say afaic.

Jeff

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Betty wrote:
>
> Wordslers always come back. Richard came back!

And it has made me very happy to have him here.

alyce

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In a message dated 3/15/2003 6:08:42 AM, dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:

<< Ooops, I meant Give me a brake! Stop it! You are a prissy spellchecker -
it's fine for you to have a hobby, but the rest of us are not required to
have the same one.

Bethany

 >>

All it shows is that you are an ignorant person who can't spell. If you can
live with that, be my guest, but I choose not to, and that's MY privilege.
And that's the last time I'm going to waste my time on the subject. All I
would like to add is that my children learned how to spell correctly, because
I paid attention to their school learnings when they attended school. My
oldest is a teacher too, and I'm sure she pays a lot of attention to what her
pupils are doing. because that's what they need when they are going out into
the world to make a living. Theo

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In a message dated 3/15/2003 10:15:02 AM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< It's afaik, but that's OK, Theo. None of us is perfect.

alyce
 >>

No, Alyce, I meant as far as I care, and that's still spelled with a C. Theo

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Ann Borkin wrote:

>>I didn't remark on the fact that she misspelled *foreign* TWICE with all her
>>college degrees. And that is *teaching* our youngsters? Just wondering Theo
>>
>
> Good eye, Theo.  TWICE, huh?  Some "teacher."  Throwing herself at any
> stupid pimp that happens by words-l.


        I must say, the parade marshall in charge of herding us into
formation this year was so GODDAMN handsome my heart broke
instantly.

        I think we might get on the news this year since we were
right behind FOX2 TV.  I hope we're not behind them ever
again, though, because it made the crowd a little chaotic
what with the bead throwing celebrities.  The Budweiser
Clydesdales, who we usually follow, were a better deal.

        Ana and Katie held the club banner and did a fantastic job.
Two 7-year-old blonde cuties leading the redheads. Katie has
Down's Syndrome.  I can't believe how big the two of them
are getting.  Our first year in the parade, Ana was a
toddler and I had her in a backpack.




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        Theo, you can't get to me by calling me a bad teacher.  I am
very secure in knowing that I am a good teacher in spite of
being a pretty average speller.  I'm a first-year teacher in
my district and my classes are already over enrolled for
next year because I'm being requested by parents.  I 'fess
up to being a poor speller at the beginning of the year, and
my students can earn extra credit if they catch me
misspelling something on the board.

        Good spellers are visual learners because we learn to spell
by memorizing the shapes of words.  I am not a visual
learner -- it is my weakest area -- thus spelling has always
been difficult for me.  Spelling does not equal writing, of
course.  You are aware that I have made a living as a writer?

        By the way, when are you unsubbing, Theo?


Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/15/2003 6:08:42 AM, dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:
>
> << Ooops, I meant Give me a brake! Stop it! You are a prissy spellchecker -
> it's fine for you to have a hobby, but the rest of us are not required to
> have the same one.
>
> Bethany
>
>  >>
>
> All it shows is that you are an ignorant person who can't spell. If you can
> live with that, be my guest, but I choose not to, and that's MY privilege.
> And that's the last time I'm going to waste my time on the subject. All I
> would like to add is that my children learned how to spell correctly, because
> I paid attention to their school learnings when they attended school. My
> oldest is a teacher too, and I'm sure she pays a lot of attention to what her
> pupils are doing. because that's what they need when they are going out into
> the world to make a living. Theo
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Letter from a bookseller who was visited by another bookseller whom she
recognized but never has met. She was miffed because he didn't introduce
himself when he came into her shop. I was interested in this because we
often speak on this <service> about the difference in what constitutes
good manners in different regions of the country. Was it bad manners for
the bookdealer not to introduce himself?
=======
"When you go into a bookstore, do you introduce yourselves? To me, it
seems rude not to, particularly if you expect to benefit from a trade
discount.  Am I being petty, or just too Southern?  Sometimes, I do feel
that I am the only one in the world with any manners left."
===========
Bad-mannered Yankee who does not introduce herself at various stores

--
alyce

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
> >
> No, Alyce, I meant as far as I care, and that's still spelled with a C. Theo


Well, sorry! I never have heard the expression "as far as I care," and
certainly never have seen this acronym. But then, I went to a US
university, so that would explain it.

alyce

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 3:57:00 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Theodora Groothof wrote:
>> >
>> No, Alyce, I meant as far as I care, and that's still spelled with a C. Theo

> Well, sorry! I never have heard the expression "as far as I care," and
> certainly never have seen this acronym. But then, I went to a US
> university, so that would explain it.

Is that an English sentence?

In any case, it's a nonstandard acronym.

Hey, Alyce, did Berta get there okay?

Jeff

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At 03:14 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>   I 'fess up to being a poor speller at the beginning of the year, and
>my students can earn extra credit if they catch me
>misspelling something on the board.
>
>        Good spellers are visual learners because we learn to spell
>by memorizing the shapes of words.  I am not a visual
>learner -- it is my weakest area -- thus spelling has always
>been difficult for me.

Hey, Rita---
I can't speak for Theo, who is outspoken by very few, but I've never known
you on the list to try to cover up for a lapse---unlike others who invoke
all sorts of reasons for not cleaning up what they have written.

>  Spelling does not equal writing, of
>course.

Well, it's certainly a part of it.

cwv

>

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>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>think I do -- as in I heard it somewhere.  She supposedly opened a
>grooming place in West Point.

West Point, NY?

Marie

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clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> At 03:14 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>   I 'fess up to being a poor speller at the beginning of the year, and
>> my students can earn extra credit if they catch me
>> misspelling something on the board.
>>
>>        Good spellers are visual learners because we learn to spell
>> by memorizing the shapes of words.  I am not a visual
>> learner -- it is my weakest area -- thus spelling has always
>> been difficult for me.
>
>
> Hey, Rita---
> I can't speak for Theo, who is outspoken by very few, but I've never known
> you on the list to try to cover up for a lapse---unlike others who invoke
> all sorts of reasons for not cleaning up what they have written.


        Do you perceive that as a cover-up?  I didn't intend it that
way.  I'm just explaining why I am a bad speller, not trying
to deny being a bad speller :).  I have always been a bad
speller and I shall always be a bad speller, even though I
do actually try hard at it.  Visual stuff is just difficult
for me. You should see me try to read a timeline.  I can't
do it.  I suspect it is also why I don't like TV.


>>  Spelling does not equal writing, of
>> course.
>
>
> Well, it's certainly a part of it.
>


        Sure.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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02003-03-15 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Ann Borkin wrote:
> >On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >>>Both of you--fuck off. Out!
> >>>
> >>
> >>       And, as the Official Voice of Words-l, I disaprove of their
> >>association.  No talking you two.  Out!
> >>
> >
> >What a stone-ass BITCH.
> >
>
>        So sayest thou.


OK, Rita and Borkin--OUT!

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Betty wrote:

> Ask around. Maybe your lunch bunch can help you out.  My friend uses a
> cow-orker.  She has a lovely home with a great view so it's always a treat
> to stay there, too.  You may have to throw in incentives.

The only dog I know of related to my lunch group is taken care of by an
adult daughter in town when they go out of town.  A house-sitter would
be nice and might be findable for whole years but not likely for short
trips.

--
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02003-03-14 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>02003-03-14 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>>02003-03-14 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>>>>02003-03-14 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>>>>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>>>>>>02003-03-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No, you said that she needed to put unsubbing behind her.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Take it up with Theo ... it's worked wonders for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Get behind me, Satan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I guess you have never really been in HELL, have you? No wonder
>>>>>>all of you endorse the use of "satan" in this casual way. Dumb
>>>>>>ass Americans!
>>>>>>
>>>>>    Oh, stop!  Stop!  Your sophisticated mode of discourse and
>>>>>worldly wisdom is making me weak with desire!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Just as I expected ... the shittiest damn behavior I have ever
>>>>faced. Whatever. Screw you and the education system which taught
>>>>you this. This is the last I am posting on this subject.
>>>
>>>      YaY!
>>
>>
>>I'd like to hear what syllable comes out your uneducated mouth
>>when somebody makes you unsub with rude remarks......HUGZ
>
>
>       Cheeyah.  Like, that never even happened in 1991.

ROFL!!!!

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Have you seen that movie about the Indian girl soccer players?

Jeff

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         In an hour I'm off to the parade!  I'll see if my new camera
> takes some good pictures.  Tomorrow I'm expecting a new
> rescue from a puppymill in.

Take pictures of the puppy!  Re parades, I toyed with the idea of
staying in Jackson for today's big annual parade featuring the Sweet
Potato Queens.  I wonder if there are pictures on the web -- or a webcam
except that it's presumably over by now -- or at least the parade is --
the St P's Day festivities at Hal and Mal's last all weekend.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 05:02 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Ask around. Maybe your lunch bunch can help you out.  My friend uses a
> > cow-orker.  She has a lovely home with a great view so it's always a treat
> > to stay there, too.  You may have to throw in incentives.
>
>The only dog I know of related to my lunch group is taken care of by an
>adult daughter in town when they go out of town.  A house-sitter would
>be nice and might be findable for whole years but not likely for short
>trips.

You'd be surprised, I think.

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02003-03-14 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > >        Oh, stop!  Stop!  Your sophisticated mode of discourse and
> > > worldly wisdom is making me weak with desire!
> >
> >
> > Just as I expected ... the shittiest damn behavior I have ever
> > faced. Whatever. Screw you and the education system which taught
> > you this. This is the last I am posting on this subject.
>
> Jeez, grow up and learn to take a fucking COMPLIMENT will you?

So you put a stamp of disapproval on me. Great. See if I give
a fuck. I am not going to change ....HUGZ

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02003-03-15 | Marie Ascher <lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>
> I think she got upset at all the bickering with Theo -- the "fuck offs"
> and such which I, of course, think Theo brings on herself, but that
> Evelyn doesn't see it that way.

OK, you are the one person I am not going to throw out. I wish
the moron Americans on this list were more like you. Evelyn has
zero skills to distinguish between real fights and joke fights.
Too bad ... this list was founded to provide space for idiotic
arguments to go on hell for leather over large spans of time.

Meanwhile, it's obvious that the evil bitch known as Theo made
Evelyn unsub with her nasty foul mouth. What kind of family
raised her?

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/15/2003 4:06:29 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
> << I looked hurriedly at Wmart this morning but didn't see anything
> likely.  Also didn't find a likely candle, but I'll go back tomorrow.  I
> got in a hurry because I had dawdled for ages and ages in several
> different conversations.  The Wmart social life was even better than
> usual this morning.
>  >>
> I would say a votive candle holder would do the job. You know what I mean:
> those little cups that come in several colors. And I think that any
> department store would carry them. I have some, but they were given to me as
> gifts, so I don't know where they were bought. Sorry. Theo


        Don't listen to her, Natalie.  Those glass votives heat up
too much and would burn your hand.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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02003-03-15 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> It's an absolute *must* if you do it for a living as I have. The paper I
> wrote for has never had to correct my writing, and I'm proud of that fact,
> and I don't care if you consider me arrogant either. Once, in highschool,
> when I turned in an assay I had to write, my teacher said that it was
> excellent, but that he had given it an 8, because I had made ONE spelling
> mistake. I'll never forget that as long as I live. :-)
> As you probably know, we are graded from 1-10 where 6 is average, therefor it
> was still a good grade, but I was sad that I had overlooked the mistake,
> because the subject I had written about had been a priority when I wrote it;
> not the spelling.
> It saddens me to realize that writing correctly in your own language is not
> considered to be important in USA schools. That's all, and I promise I'll
> never again touch the subject again. Theo

Must have been one of those low-grade rags which go under in a
couple of years--I lost count of the illiteracies in this post...

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Bethany, the innumerate:
>I request a reduction in sentence to an additional 30 days only.

That'd still leave you a few days short of
the end of Lent.

--
Richard the Reckoner      be perfected

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02003-03-15 | Marie Ascher <lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> >OK, you are the one person I am not going to throw out. I wish
> >the moron Americans on this list were more like you.
>
> I sense that you are talking out of your ass.

The system maybe taught you some sense but absolutely no manners
as I can see. Instead of stooping to name-calling as dumb as yours
I am going to stop wasting time on this thread.

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:09:18 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> To the contrary.  The cover-up is when someone says that it is a trivial
> thing, or that e-mail is "different," or that they are too busy with their
> great thoughts to be concerned with it.

Really? E-mail *is* very different to me. I don't make nearly as
many errors when I'm writing real stuff--I never even have to
spell-check my stuff. But I do think that spelling is trivial.

> Good spelling is not trivial, nor given the complexity of the English
> language, all that easy.  People differ considerably in their ability to
> handle certain things.  Hell, spelling has always been easy for me; math
> has been a chore.  However, if I make a math error, I don't blow if off as
> something beneath my notice.  Nor do I blame it on "keyboarding."

I think writing good sentences is a lot harder than good
spelling--and rarer.

Jeff

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:20:15 PM, Betty wrote:

> At 05:03 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>Have you seen that movie about the Indian girl soccer players?
>>
>>Jeff

> I thought Kevin was your male name?

Grrrrrrrrr!

Jeff

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:41:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Have you seen that movie about the Indian girl soccer players?
>>
>> Jeff

> No.

You need to.

Jeff

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:46:53 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I've been meaning to ask why Karen has become Jeff.

Read the archives.

> Why does she have a male name?

Because my ET is gay.

> It's nice to think of a rather attractive single male in the
> neighborhood, though he's a bit young for me. There's another
> single male across the street who is around my age, but he's
> quite weird and reclusive. He's been the county public health
> doctor for years and is apparently scared of his shadow and
> terrified of anybody else's shadow.

Uh-oh!!! Natalie's on the prowl!

Jeff

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/15/2003 4:25:35 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> <<   It's not a sentence -- it's a sentence fragment, which is a
> pretty egregious grammar error.  What kind of education
> produces that kind of nonsense?
>  >>
>
> Excuse me all to pieces. In my language words that follow a comma do not
> require a capital letter. Bowing her head in shame: Theo


        It followed a period.

        Just how many windows are there in your new house?



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Betty wrote:

> >A battery-operated candle?  Where can I find one?  Wmart?
>
> I don't know but I've seen them.

I looked hurriedly at Wmart this morning but didn't see anything
likely.  Also didn't find a likely candle, but I'll go back tomorrow.  I
got in a hurry because I had dawdled for ages and ages in several
different conversations.  The Wmart social life was even better than
usual this morning.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Do you have a religious type store?

No.

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02003-03-14 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 3/14/2003 7:26:25 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> << I'd like to hear what syllable comes out your uneducated mouth
> when somebody makes you unsub with rude remarks......HUGZ
>  >>
>
> I didn't remark on the fact that she misspelled *foreign* TWICE with all her
> college degrees. And that is *teaching* our youngsters? Just wondering Theo

What's "that" supposed to mean? Immigrant lowlife should learn their
pronouns or GET OUT. Seriously

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In a message dated 3/15/2003 3:10:53 PM, cwv@PANAX.COM writes:

<< >  Spelling does not equal writing, of
>course.

Well, it's certainly a part of it.
 >>

It's an absolute *must* if you do it for a living as I have. The paper I
wrote for has never had to correct my writing, and I'm proud of that fact,
and I don't care if you consider me arrogant either. Once, in highschool,
when I turned in an assay I had to write, my teacher said that it was
excellent, but that he had given it an 8, because I had made ONE spelling
mistake. I'll never forget that as long as I live. :-)
As you probably know, we are graded from 1-10 where 6 is average, therefor it
was still a good grade, but I was sad that I had overlooked the mistake,
because the subject I had written about had been a priority when I wrote it;
not the spelling.
It saddens me to realize that writing correctly in your own language is not
considered to be important in USA schools. That's all, and I promise I'll
never again touch the subject again. Theo

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Betty wrote:

>  Does anyone want me
> to call them?

Call Brad.

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02003-03-15 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> >In a message dated 3/14/2003 7:26:25 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
> >
> ><< I'd like to hear what syllable comes out your uneducated mouth
> >when somebody makes you unsub with rude remarks......HUGZ
> > >>
> >
> >I didn't remark on the fact that she misspelled *foreign* TWICE with
> >all her college degrees. And that is *teaching* our youngsters? Just
> >wondering Theo
> >
>
>        How many degrees do I have, Theo?  Do you know?

Pretty fuckin close to zero, I wouldn't be surprised!

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02003-03-14 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> Enjoyable as the repartee has been, have y'all considered the possibility
> that she is going away for the weekend?
>
> (in the absence of any evidence)

That's it, this assholistic remark has pushed me over the age.
C.L.O.--out!

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:04:29 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> So you put a stamp of disapproval on me. Great. See if I give
> a fuck. I am not going to change ....HUGZ

Learn how to spell, please! You must be a bad teacher. Everyone
knows that 'hugs' has no Z.

Jeff

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At 04:32 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:


>        Do you perceive that as a cover-up?

To the contrary.  The cover-up is when someone says that it is a trivial
thing, or that e-mail is "different," or that they are too busy with their
great thoughts to be concerned with it.

Good spelling is not trivial, nor given the complexity of the English
language, all that easy.  People differ considerably in their ability to
handle certain things.  Hell, spelling has always been easy for me; math
has been a chore.  However, if I make a math error, I don't blow if off as
something beneath my notice.  Nor do I blame it on "keyboarding."

cwv

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Betty wrote:
>
> You doing anything special, Natalie?

My plans for tomorrow are to buy a candle, to watch MSU beat Kentucky on
tv at noon, and to go to the 7 p.m. peace vigil.  If I find time, I will
also put some pictures on the web and possibly transplant a zillion
jonquils that I want to be elsewhere from where they are now.

Speaking of flora, I was surprised to see when I got home yesterday that
my ornamental cabbages have sprouted beautiful spiral steeples.  I
didn't know they were going to do that.

Also speaking of flora, did I mention the huge pots I bought at Lowe's
on my way back to Sville late Tuesday?  Today I bought five huge bags of
potting soil at Wmart and some Purple Majesties at the Co-op.  And
yesterday I stole some gravel near Furrbabies to put in the bottoms of
the pots.  I also drilled the holes in the bottoms yesterday.  This
afternoon I planted the Purple Majesties.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-03-15 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> >What does keyboarding have to do with spelling?
>
> Theo, they are separate activities.
>
> >When you are on a keyboard you are able to correct a word you misspelled.
> If >*I* notice it, you, as a teacher, certainly should, or you have no
> business >teaching afaic.
>
> So unless one is willing to be a prissy spellchecker 24 hours a day, one
> should not teach? GIVE me a break ...
>
> Ooops, I meant Give me a brake! Stop it! You are a prissy spellchecker -
> it's fine for you to have a hobby, but the rest of us are not required to
> have the same one.

Dr Dumas--this bickering is completely ridiculous. Get out and stay
out for 40 days ...

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Costco has Splenda-flavored Diet Hansen's. The ginger ale is
quiet good--very gingery.

Karen

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At 05:03 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Have you seen that movie about the Indian girl soccer players?
>
>Jeff

I thought Kevin was your male name?

B

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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        One of my freshmen is writing her I-search on how bad diet
soda is for you :).

Karen Kay wrote:

> Costco has Splenda-flavored Diet Hansen's. The ginger ale is
> quiet good--very gingery.
>
> Karen
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Good spellers are visual learners because we learn to spell
> by memorizing the shapes of words.  I am not a visual
> learner -- it is my weakest area -- thus spelling has always
> been difficult for me.  Spelling does not equal writing, of

I haven't researched the topic lately, but afaik nobody has yet shown a
link of any kind between good/bad spelling and intelligence.  (The myth
that brilliant people are bad spellers is indeed thought to be a myth.
But brilliant people are just as likely to be bad spellers as good
spellers.)  Also, unless new discoveries have been made, it is still
thought that teaching somebody to be a good speller is almost
impossible.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 05:06 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > >A battery-operated candle?  Where can I find one?  Wmart?
> >
> > I don't know but I've seen them.
>
>I looked hurriedly at Wmart this morning but didn't see anything
>likely.  Also didn't find a likely candle, but I'll go back tomorrow.  I
>got in a hurry because I had dawdled for ages and ages in several
>different conversations.  The Wmart social life was even better than
>usual this morning.

You should bring house sitting and dog sitting into the many
conversations.  People know people.

Betty

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In a message dated 3/15/2003 4:06:29 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< I looked hurriedly at Wmart this morning but didn't see anything
likely.  Also didn't find a likely candle, but I'll go back tomorrow.  I
got in a hurry because I had dawdled for ages and ages in several
different conversations.  The Wmart social life was even better than
usual this morning.
 >>
I would say a votive candle holder would do the job. You know what I mean:
those little cups that come in several colors. And I think that any
department store would carry them. I have some, but they were given to me as
gifts, so I don't know where they were bought. Sorry. Theo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        In an hour I'm off to the parade!  I'll see if my new camera
>>takes some good pictures.  Tomorrow I'm expecting a new
>>rescue from a puppymill in.
>>
>
> Take pictures of the puppy!  Re parades, I toyed with the idea of
> staying in Jackson for today's big annual parade featuring the Sweet
> Potato Queens.  I wonder if there are pictures on the web -- or a webcam
> except that it's presumably over by now -- or at least the parade is --
> the St P's Day festivities at Hal and Mal's last all weekend.


        I will.  I have two girls coming.  Neither are puppies --
they're breeding stock that was up for auction. It'll be
pretty chaotic around here as I try to get them housebroken,
etc.  I'm working on a web page for our little rescue right now.

        I forgot my camera this morning for the parade, but other
people took pictures and promised to send them to me.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

>you have no business
>> teaching afaic.
>
>It's afaik, but that's OK, Theo. None of us is perfect.

Cool, alyce! It's afaik afaik also.

Bethany

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At 06:09 PM 3/15/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 04:32 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Do you perceive that as a cover-up?
>
>To the contrary.  The cover-up is when someone says that it is a trivial
>thing, or that e-mail is "different," or that they are too busy with their
>great thoughts to be concerned with it.
>
>Good spelling is not trivial, nor given the complexity of the English
>language, all that easy.  People differ considerably in their ability to
>handle certain things.  Hell, spelling has always been easy for me; math
>has been a chore.  However, if I make a math error, I don't blow if off as
>something beneath my notice.  Nor do I blame it on "keyboarding."

Or lack of sleep or coffee?

Betty

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>I think Theo meant 'as far as I'm concerned'. But it's still a
>bizarre thing to say afaic.

I'm sure that Theo, the perfect speller, can direct us to a standard
desk dictionay that contains the <word> 'afaic.'

Bethany

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02003-03-15 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 3/15/2003 6:08:42 AM, dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:
>
> << Ooops, I meant Give me a brake! Stop it! You are a prissy spellchecker -
> it's fine for you to have a hobby, but the rest of us are not required to
> have the same one.
>
> Bethany
>
>  >>
>
> All it shows is that you are an ignorant person who can't spell. If you can
> live with that, be my guest, but I choose not to, and that's MY privilege.
> And that's the last time I'm going to waste my time on the subject. All I
> would like to add is that my children learned how to spell correctly, because
> I paid attention to their school learnings when they attended school. My
> oldest is a teacher too, and I'm sure she pays a lot of attention to what her
> pupils are doing. because that's what they need when they are going out into
> the world to make a living. Theo

Are you in the habit of beginning sentences with a lower case "b"?
Post the name of your daughter's school, I'm calling the inspectors
on it.

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At 05:12 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> >
> > You doing anything special, Natalie?
>
>My plans for tomorrow are to buy a candle,

Shouldn't you buy 60 candles??

Betty

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On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Theodora Groothof wrote:

><< Ooops, I meant Give me a brake! Stop it! You are a prissy spellchecker -
>it's fine for you to have a hobby, but the rest of us are not required to
>have the same one.
>
>Bethany
>
>All it shows is that you are an ignorant person who can't spell. If you can
>live with that, be my guest, but I choose not to, and that's MY privilege.
>And that's the last time I'm going to waste my time on the subject. All I
>would like to add is that my children learned how to spell correctly, because
>I paid attention to their school learnings when they attended school. My
>oldest is a teacher too, and I'm sure she pays a lot of attention to what her
>pupils are doing. because that's what they need when they are going out into
>the world to make a living. Theo

LOL! Thanks for a large moment of levity!

Bethany

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At 05:12 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-03-15 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> > On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Theodora Groothof wrote:
> >
> > >What does keyboarding have to do with spelling?
> >
> > Theo, they are separate activities.
> >
> > >When you are on a keyboard you are able to correct a word you misspelled.
> > If >*I* notice it, you, as a teacher, certainly should, or you have no
> > business >teaching afaic.
> >
> > So unless one is willing to be a prissy spellchecker 24 hours a day, one
> > should not teach? GIVE me a break ...
> >
> > Ooops, I meant Give me a brake! Stop it! You are a prissy spellchecker -
> > it's fine for you to have a hobby, but the rest of us are not required to
> > have the same one.
>
>Dr Dumas--this bickering is completely ridiculous. Get out and stay
>out for 40 days ...

and nights.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Good spellers are visual learners because we learn to spell
>>by memorizing the shapes of words.  I am not a visual
>>learner -- it is my weakest area -- thus spelling has always
>>been difficult for me.  Spelling does not equal writing, of
>>
>
> I haven't researched the topic lately, but afaik nobody has yet shown a
> link of any kind between good/bad spelling and intelligence.  (The myth
> that brilliant people are bad spellers is indeed thought to be a myth.
> But brilliant people are just as likely to be bad spellers as good
> spellers.)  Also, unless new discoveries have been made, it is still
> thought that teaching somebody to be a good speller is almost
> impossible.


        That is what I understand, as well.  I expect papers to be
proofread, etc., but I put a low priority on spelling in my
classes since I have so many learning disabled students.  By
the time they get to me, they're either good spellers or bad
spellers, and knocking points off a wonderfully written and
argued essay because they misspelled a word would make me a
horrible teacher.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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In a message dated 3/15/2003 4:06:43 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<< What's "that" supposed to mean? Immigrant lowlife should learn their
pronouns or GET OUT. Seriously
 >>
Immigrant lowlife? Well, thank you very much. If that's what you consider me
to be, I thank you kindly. At least *this lowlife* does not stoop to calling
anybody names.
Theo

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At 05:16 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >         Good spellers are visual learners because we learn to spell
> > by memorizing the shapes of words.  I am not a visual
> > learner -- it is my weakest area -- thus spelling has always
> > been difficult for me.  Spelling does not equal writing, of
>
>I haven't researched the topic lately, but afaik nobody has yet shown a
>link of any kind between good/bad spelling and intelligence.  (The myth
>that brilliant people are bad spellers is indeed thought to be a myth.
>But brilliant people are just as likely to be bad spellers as good
>spellers.)  Also, unless new discoveries have been made, it is still
>thought that teaching somebody to be a good speller is almost
>impossible.

I could never understand getting a bad grade on a spelling test. You know
what the questions are going to be.

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02003-03-15 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 04:32 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >       Do you perceive that as a cover-up?
>
> To the contrary.  The cover-up is when someone says that it is a trivial
> thing, or that e-mail is "different," or that they are too busy with their
> great thoughts to be concerned with it.
>
> Good spelling is not trivial, nor given the complexity of the English
> language, all that easy.  People differ considerably in their ability to
> handle certain things.  Hell, spelling has always been easy for me; math
> has been a chore.  However, if I make a math error, I don't blow if off as
> something beneath my notice.  Nor do I blame it on "keyboarding."

A math mistake is a math mistake--if anybody blames it on keyboarding
they will get their ass kicked, so it's no great virtue to refrain from
thus blaming. On the other hand you can communicate with any reasonably
intelligent person even while making a large number of typos. In other
words--GET OUT and find some dumb ass literal robots to talk to.

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On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Theodora Groothof wrote:

>It's an absolute *must* if you do it for a living as I have. The paper I
>wrote for has never had to correct my writing, and I'm proud of that fact,
>and I don't care if you consider me arrogant either. Once, in highschool,
>when I turned in an assay I had to write, my teacher said that it was
>excellent, but that he had given it an 8, because I had made ONE spelling
>mistake. I'll never forget that as long as I live. :-)

Theo, there is a large difference between writing and editing (and
editing includes spell-checking). One reason many students are poor
writers is that they were taught earlier in life by teachers who did not
know the difference between writing and editing.

Bethany

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-15 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
>
>>In a message dated 3/15/2003 6:08:42 AM, dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:
>>
>><< Ooops, I meant Give me a brake! Stop it! You are a prissy spellchecker -
>>it's fine for you to have a hobby, but the rest of us are not required to
>>have the same one.
>>
>>Bethany
>>
>> >>
>>
>>All it shows is that you are an ignorant person who can't spell. If you can
>>live with that, be my guest, but I choose not to, and that's MY privilege.
>>And that's the last time I'm going to waste my time on the subject. All I
>>would like to add is that my children learned how to spell correctly, because
>>I paid attention to their school learnings when they attended school. My
>>oldest is a teacher too, and I'm sure she pays a lot of attention to what her
>>pupils are doing. because that's what they need when they are going out into
>>the world to make a living. Theo
>>
>
> Are you in the habit of beginning sentences with a lower case "b"?
> Post the name of your daughter's school, I'm calling the inspectors
> on it.


        It's not a sentence -- it's a sentence fragment, which is a
pretty egregious grammar error.  What kind of education
produces that kind of nonsense?


--
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02003-03-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:04:29 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > So you put a stamp of disapproval on me. Great. See if I give
> > a fuck. I am not going to change ....HUGZ
>
> Learn how to spell, please! You must be a bad teacher. Everyone
> knows that 'hugs' has no Z.
>
> Jeff

Is your name "Jeff"? Do you lie like this on your resumes and
tax returns? Just wondering.

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In a message dated 3/15/2003 4:09:45 PM, cwv@PANAX.COM writes:

<<  However, if I make a math error, I don't blow if off as
something beneath my notice.  Nor do I blame it on "keyboarding."
 >>
What you said :-} Theo

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/15/2003 3:10:53 PM, cwv@PANAX.COM writes:
>
> << >  Spelling does not equal writing, of
>
>>course.
>>
>
> Well, it's certainly a part of it.
>  >>
>
> It's an absolute *must* if you do it for a living as I have.


        No, not really.


> It saddens me to realize that writing correctly in your own language is not
> considered to be important in USA schools. That's all, and I promise I'll
> never again touch the subject again. Theo


        Nonsequitor of the week!




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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-15 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Theodora Groothof wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In a message dated 3/14/2003 7:26:25 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>>>
>>><< I'd like to hear what syllable comes out your uneducated mouth
>>>when somebody makes you unsub with rude remarks......HUGZ
>>>
>>>I didn't remark on the fact that she misspelled *foreign* TWICE with
>>>all her college degrees. And that is *teaching* our youngsters? Just
>>>wondering Theo
>>>
>>>
>>       How many degrees do I have, Theo?  Do you know?
>>
>
> Pretty fuckin close to zero, I wouldn't be surprised!


        You win the boobie prize!




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02003-03-15 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 05:12 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-15 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> >> On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Theodora Groothof wrote:
> >>
> >> >What does keyboarding have to do with spelling?
> >>
> >> Theo, they are separate activities.
> >>
> >> >When you are on a keyboard you are able to correct a word you misspelled.
> >>
> >> If *I* notice it, you, as a teacher, certainly should, or you have no
> >> business teaching afaic.
> >>
> >> So unless one is willing to be a prissy spellchecker 24 hours a day, one
> >> should not teach? GIVE me a break ...
> >>
> >> Ooops, I meant Give me a brake! Stop it! You are a prissy spellchecker -
> >> it's fine for you to have a hobby, but the rest of us are not required to
> >> have the same one.
> >
> >Dr Dumas--this bickering is completely ridiculous. Get out and stay
> >out for 40 days ...
>
> and nights.

No, nights are OK.

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02003-03-15 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> >I think Theo meant 'as far as I'm concerned'. But it's still a
> >bizarre thing to say afaic.
>
> I'm sure that Theo, the perfect speller, can direct us to a standard
> desk dictionay that contains the <word> 'afaic.'

Typical shitty behavior by under-educated Americans ...

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On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>Dr Dumas--this bickering is completely ridiculous. Get out and stay
>out for 40 days ...

The first 10 dya of Lent are past (or will be at midnight); therefore I
request a reduction in sentence to an additional 30 days only.

Bethany the penitent

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02003-03-15 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> LOL! Thanks for a large moment of levity!

Is "levity" as much of an I-am-an-ass word as "propensity"?
Discuss.

Borkin, you can come in now

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02003-03-15 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 3/15/2003 4:06:43 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> << What's "that" supposed to mean? Immigrant lowlife should learn their
> pronouns or GET OUT. Seriously
>  >>
> Immigrant lowlife? Well, thank you very much. If that's what you consider me
> to be, I thank you kindly. At least *this lowlife* does not stoop to calling
> anybody names.

Is that so? Thanks indeed! A non-name-calling lowlife is still a lowlife.

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>I think I understand all the words in this sentence,
>but I'm having a lot of trouble parsing it for meaning.

It's just some nonsense from a Jethro Tull record.

I'll be changing the name soon.

--
Richard      be perfected

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Betty wrote:

> At 05:16 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>> Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>> >         Good spellers are visual learners because we learn to spell
>> > by memorizing the shapes of words.  I am not a visual
>> > learner -- it is my weakest area -- thus spelling has always
>> > been difficult for me.  Spelling does not equal writing, of
>>
>> I haven't researched the topic lately, but afaik nobody has yet shown a
>> link of any kind between good/bad spelling and intelligence.  (The myth
>> that brilliant people are bad spellers is indeed thought to be a myth.
>> But brilliant people are just as likely to be bad spellers as good
>> spellers.)  Also, unless new discoveries have been made, it is still
>> thought that teaching somebody to be a good speller is almost
>> impossible.
>
>
> I could never understand getting a bad grade on a spelling test. You know
> what the questions are going to be.


        Ana does, even though we practice every night.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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02003-03-14 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-14 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > > On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just imagine a damn biological and metabolic force converting into
> > > > tangible form, will you?
> > >
> > > OK, I'll try:
> > >
> > > Looks a lot like -YOU-, you bald chocolate monkey smirking with the
> > dwindling sexuality of a superpimped Ken doll
> > >
> > > swoon
> >
> > Dr Borkin, *please*. People are staring.
>
> Well I can't help it when I see -YOU- you saffron-scented sirloin cut
of mesquite mumbai man-meat!!!
>
> swoon


Dr Borkin, this is highly crass and vulgar!

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>when I turned in an assay I had to write, my teacher said that it was
>excellent, but that he had given it an 8, because I had made ONE spelling

I'm sure it's already been done but HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I give you a 3.

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>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>Have you seen that movie about the Indian girl soccer players?

"Bend it Like Beckham"?

Bruce just bought us tickets to a Man U game in July at the Meadowlands.

Marie

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02003-03-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Have you seen that movie about the Indian girl soccer players?
>
> Jeff

No.

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02003-03-15 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-03-14 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> = > because they were busy fixing the problem!
> = >
> = > clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
> = > = This from our esteemed departmental computer support group. Why it took
> = > = them three days to think of letting us know, I can't fathom!
> =
> = Sorry, I cannot support this staff. I sympathize with frazzled
> = admins spending hours in various states of being in the dark,
> = getting (butthead) network providers and other service people
> = to cooperate, salvaging lost data, deciding what to give up on,
> = etc etc, but they can't write a lousy email saying "it's not
> = you"?
>
> Actually, I find it a pretty good indicator of the quality of the
> management of their departmantal computer support group.  In this
> case they're on the road to improvement.  They acutally got a
> note out about the problem.
>
> Isn't it that you've never worked any place big enough to have
> this kind of communication breakdown?

You formula answer (they were busy fixing the problem) made me
think they were aware of the problem from the start. What does
the size of a department have to do letting people know they
are working on the problem?

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>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>OK, you are the one person I am not going to throw out. I wish
>the moron Americans on this list were more like you.

I sense that you are talking out of your ass.

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02003-03-15 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >Dr Dumas--this bickering is completely ridiculous. Get out and stay
> >out for 40 days ...
>
> The first 10 dya of Lent are past (or will be at midnight); therefore I
> request a reduction in sentence to an additional 30 days only.
>
> Bethany the penitent

Overruled. OUT!

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02003-03-14 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> >
> > I didn't remark on the fact that she misspelled *foreign* TWICE with all her
> > college degrees. And that is *teaching* our youngsters? Just wondering Theo
>
> Good eye, Theo.  TWICE, huh?  Some "teacher."  Throwing herself at any
> stupid pimp that happens by words-l.

Who axed YOU, mary poppins? Mind your business, pimp-throwers are
the best teachers.

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:07:34 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/15/2003 3:10:53 PM, cwv@PANAX.COM writes:

> << >  Spelling does not equal writing, of
>>course.

> Well, it's certainly a part of it.
>  >>

> It's an absolute *must* if you do it for a living as I have.

No, it's not. Spelling is the least important thing.

> The paper I wrote for has never had to correct my writing, and
> I'm proud of that fact, and I don't care if you consider me
> arrogant either.

Misguided, at the very least.

>  Once, in highschool,
> when I turned in an assay I had to write, my teacher said that it was
> excellent, but that he had given it an 8, because I had made ONE spelling
> mistake. I'll never forget that as long as I live. :-)

Yeah, you misspelled 'essay' as 'assay'.

Jeff

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At 06:41 PM 3/15/2003 -0500, Marie Ascher wrote:
>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>Have you seen that movie about the Indian girl soccer players?
>
>"Bend it Like Beckham"?
>
>Bruce just bought us tickets to a Man U game in July at the Meadowlands.

Did you cancel your trip to Europe?

Betty

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:15:33 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         One of my freshmen is writing her I-search on how bad diet
> soda is for you :).

I-search?

Why is it bad for you? I probably average one can every 3 weeks.
Am I going to die soon?!

Jeff

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:21:38 PM, Betty wrote:
> You should bring house sitting and dog sitting into the many
> conversations.  People know people.

I agree.

Jeff

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:19:00 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         Don't listen to her, Natalie.  Those glass votives heat up
> too much and would burn your hand.

I agree.

Karen

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In a message dated 3/15/2003 4:25:35 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<   It's not a sentence -- it's a sentence fragment, which is a
pretty egregious grammar error.  What kind of education
produces that kind of nonsense?
 >>

Excuse me all to pieces. In my language words that follow a comma do not
require a capital letter. Bowing her head in shame: Theo

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On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:

>Bethany, the innumerate:
>>I request a reduction in sentence to an additional 30 days only.
>
>That'd still leave you a few days short of
>the end of Lent.

Wrong issue, Coach. I did not mention the end of Lent.

Bethany

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Letter from a bookseller who was visited by another bookseller whom she
> recognized but never has met. She was miffed because he didn't introduce
> himself when he came into her shop. I was interested in this because we
> often speak on this <service> about the difference in what constitutes
> good manners in different regions of the country. Was it bad manners for
> the bookdealer not to introduce himself?
> =======
> "When you go into a bookstore, do you introduce yourselves? To me, it
> seems rude not to, particularly if you expect to benefit from a trade
> discount.  Am I being petty, or just too Southern?  Sometimes, I do feel
> that I am the only one in the world with any manners left."
> ===========
> Bad-mannered Yankee who does not introduce herself at various stores

I can't imagine walking into a store and introducing myself.  But then I
don't know how things are supposed to operate within bookselling
circles.

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Marie Ascher wrote:
> >think I do -- as in I heard it somewhere.  She supposedly opened a
> >grooming place in West Point.
>
> West Point, NY?

West Point, MS -- one of the three points of The Golden Triangle,
Starkville and Columbus being the other two.

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On 15 Mar 2003 at 17:48, Karen Kay wrote:

> Yeah, you misspelled 'essay' as 'assay'.

Maybe she majored in mining.

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:25:26 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 05:12 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>Betty wrote:
>> >
>> > You doing anything special, Natalie?
>>
>>My plans for tomorrow are to buy a candle,

> Shouldn't you buy 60 candles??

LOL, I caught the clue. HB, N!

Jeff

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> I would say a votive candle holder would do the job. You know what I mean:

I just checked my Ra mail and found a note from the local organizer (who
was sent my registration when I registered) saying that they (she and
her husband) are bringing a bunch of paper cups to put the candles in.
So apparently all I need to take is a candle -- plus my peace sign since
she said to bring stuff like that also -- that they wanted to put them
up around the courthouse to make clear the purpose of the candling.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Don't listen to her, Natalie.  Those glass votives heat up
> too much and would burn your hand.

What about paper cups?  Perhaps I should plan on wearing gloves.

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Betty wrote:
> >Jeff
>
> I thought Kevin was your male name?

I've been meaning to ask why Karen has become Jeff.  Why does she have a
male name?  And I'm reminded of some interesting gossip I heard at Wmart
this morning.  I learned that a couple down the street from me is
getting a divorce because she is running off with a minister.  I said to
the person telling me this that that house must have vibes of some kind
since the previous owner left her minister husband to run off with her
lover.  He (my conversation partner) then said, "a female minister."  I
was confused at first, thinking he thought I meant that the previous
person had been a minister -- the one who ran off with her lover, a
registrar.  But no, he said that he meant that the current person
running off with a minister is running off with a female minister.  The
husband is staying in the house, along with the children.  It's nice to
think of a rather attractive single male in the neighborhood, though
he's a bit young for me.  There's another single male across the street
who is around my age, but he's quite weird and reclusive.  He's been the
county public health doctor for years and is apparently scared of his
shadow and terrified of anybody else's shadow.

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Betty wrote:

> >  The Wmart social life was even better than
> >usual this morning.
>
> You should bring house sitting and dog sitting into the many
> conversations.  People know people.

Of the three long conversations, one might have been productive in that
respect.  One problem, though, is that people go out of town at the same
time -- holidays.  Hmm.  Once I really retire, I won't necessarily be on
everybody else's schedule.  Interesting thought.

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Betty wrote:

> >My plans for tomorrow are to buy a candle,
>
> Shouldn't you buy 60 candles??

Only if I also buy a cake.  Hmm.  Maybe I should do that.  And I could
sing, "Six-tee candlesssss."  Gosh.  Today is an anniversary.  It was on
March 15, 1959, that I last heard "Sixteen Candles" on the radio as a
top 40 or whatever they were called back then.  I remember thinking that
was unfair -- that I should've heard it the next day also.

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On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> The first 10 dya of Lent are past (or will be at midnight); therefore I
>> request a reduction in sentence to an additional 30 days only.
>>
>> Bethany the penitent
>
>Overruled. OUT!

sob! (is that ambiguous??? is ambiguity allowed?)

Bethany

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:25:25 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:04:29 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > So you put a stamp of disapproval on me. Great. See if I give
>> > a fuck. I am not going to change ....HUGZ
>>
>> Learn how to spell, please! You must be a bad teacher. Everyone
>> knows that 'hugs' has no Z.
>>
>> Jeff

> Is your name "Jeff"? Do you lie like this on your resumes and
> tax returns? Just wondering.

If Akbar were here, he would KICK YOUR ASS! So there!

Jeff

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:27:19 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         Nonsequitor of the week!

-tur.

TYVM.:)

Theo

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>It saddens me to realize that writing correctly in your own language is not
>considered to be important in USA schools.

Theo, how the heck do you extrapolate from the typos in informal yammering
with friends on this <service> to the consideration given to formal writing
in US schools?

Wait, don't answer that.  Because there's a much more important question:
*why* do you do so?

Is it really that much more important than being friends?

Ignoring the spelling and grammatical errors in *your* post,

Pete

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:33:52 PM, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:
>>I think I understand all the words in this sentence,
>>but I'm having a lot of trouble parsing it for meaning.

> It's just some nonsense from a Jethro Tull record.

Jethro Tull!

> I'll be changing the name soon.

Ah.

> --
> Richard      be perfected

I'm sure you are! I've very glad you're back, Richard, or Gerald,
or whoever you are.:) I made Bonnie promise not to talk about
Catholicism.

Jeff

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:41:24 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>Have you seen that movie about the Indian girl soccer players?

> "Bend it Like Beckham"?

Thank you! I heard an interview on the radio and now I want to
see it.

> Bruce just bought us tickets to a Man U game in July at the Meadowlands.

I am gelous!

Jeff

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:57:00 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

> On 15 Mar 2003 at 17:48, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Yeah, you misspelled 'essay' as 'assay'.

> Maybe she majored in mining.

My bad!

Jeff

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Then again, I'm happy with what I've accomplished here in the past
twenty-four hours.  But I bet the street-dancing is going on right now
and is jolly:

http://www.halandmals.com/stpat/

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On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>LOL, I caught the clue. HB, N!
>
>Jeff

And also from me.

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Don't listen to her, Natalie.  Those glass votives heat up
>>too much and would burn your hand.
>>
>
> What about paper cups?  Perhaps I should plan on wearing gloves.
>


        I think they work better.  I just know that when I burn my
Yankee Candles, the votives and the counter underneath tend
to heat up, and Yankee Candles wax doesn't tend to burn all
that hotly (if you drip it on yourself, the wax is just warm).



--
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02003-03-15 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@FLEX.COM> writes:
> On 15 Mar 2003 at 17:48, Karen Kay wrote:
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> > Yeah, you misspelled 'essay' as 'assay'.
>
> Maybe she majored in mining.

WRONG

Maybe she majored as a miner ... heh heh

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:15:33 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        One of my freshmen is writing her I-search on how bad diet
>>soda is for you :).
>>
>
> I-search?


        It's a type of research paper that, in theory, helps develop
voice as it is written in the first person.  The idea is the
students research something they want to learn about, and
the paper is largely a narrative of that process -- the
paper is somewhat recursive :).  Remember that memory thing
I did?  That was an I-search.  I found it a fun format to
write in, and it is fun to teach.  I can't remember who came
up with the idea for it -- McCrorie?


> Why is it bad for you? I probably average one can every 3 weeks.
> Am I going to die soon?!


        I'll let you know what Lizzie comes up with :).




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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'pneumonia bug...

http://my.aol.com/news/news_story.psp?type=1&cat=0200&id=03031508383460085

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02003-03-15 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> >It saddens me to realize that writing correctly in your own language is not
> >considered to be important in USA schools.
>
> Theo, how the heck do you extrapolate from the typos in informal yammering
> with friends on this <service> to the consideration given to formal writing
> in US schools?
>
> Wait, don't answer that.  Because there's a much more important question:
> *why* do you do so?
>
> Is it really that much more important than being friends?
>
> Ignoring the spelling and grammatical errors in *your* post,

This guy must be spewing typos all over!

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:39:55 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Rita Chapman wrote:

>>         Don't listen to her, Natalie.  Those glass votives heat up
>> too much and would burn your hand.

> What about paper cups?  Perhaps I should plan on wearing gloves.

Paper cups are okay--I've used those before. They are good
because they catch the wax.

Jeff

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In a message dated 3/15/2003 5:00:15 PM, kaminski@ISTORI.COM writes:

<< Is it really that much more important than being friends?
 >>

No, it isn't. But may I remind you that I was castigated to no end by this
list when I used to write *hugz* too. It was just used as joke when I was on
a different network, and when I used *hugz Theo* it identified me as being
ME. I knew too, that it was incorrect, but all of you were telling me to stop
it or get off. But of course that's not remembered by any of you now, but
it's the truth.
Theo

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 6:29:58 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         It's a type of research paper that, in theory, helps develop
> voice as it is written in the first person.  The idea is the
> students research something they want to learn about, and
> the paper is largely a narrative of that process -- the
> paper is somewhat recursive :).  Remember that memory thing
> I did?  That was an I-search.  I found it a fun format to
> write in, and it is fun to teach.  I can't remember who came
> up with the idea for it -- McCrorie?

I would write like this all the time if I could. Though my ET and
I usually use the first person plural...

>> Why is it bad for you? I probably average one can every 3 weeks.
>> Am I going to die soon?!


>         I'll let you know what Lizzie comes up with :).

I am on tenterhooks!

Jeff

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:27:19 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        Nonsequitor of the week!
>>
>
> -tur.
>
> TYVM.:)
>
> Theo
>


        LOL.  Make that three languages I can't spell in :).




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Theodora Groothof writes,

>><< Is it really that much more important than being friends?
>
>No, it isn't.

And so, why don't you stop pushing people away?

>But may I remind you that I was castigated to no end by this list when I
>used to write *hugz* too.

If you think that was a spelling correction, I think you're mistaken.

>but all of you were telling me to stop it or get off.

Not "all" of us, and that you remember it that way hurts the ones who didn't.

And have you noticed how often one of the other people here gets told to
stop something?

>But of course that's not remembered by any of you now, but it's the truth.

We've seen just today that it's well-remembered.

Pete

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02003-03-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:41:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Have you seen that movie about the Indian girl soccer players?
> >>
> >> Jeff
>
> > No.
>
> You need to.
>
> Jeff

OK.

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 6:37:25 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:41:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-03-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> Have you seen that movie about the Indian girl soccer players?
>> >>
>> >> Jeff
>>
>> > No.
>>
>> You need to.
>>
>> Jeff

> OK.

And then tell me how you liked it. Thanks, sweetie.

Jeff

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At 06:09 PM 3/15/2003 -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> >I think Theo meant 'as far as I'm concerned'. But it's still a
> >bizarre thing to say afaic.
>
>I'm sure that Theo, the perfect speller, can direct us to a standard
>desk [[[dictionay]]]]


Yeah, right.  I do believe that you have taken over as the poster girl for
the anti-tenure movement.  Perhaps a semester of "football English" would
help in your case.

cwv

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 6:55:56 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Hey, Alyce, did Berta get there okay?

> Yes, Thursday in the snow. SHe is working hard cleaning up the debris
> around here.

I'm glad. I hope you are, too!

Your ET

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        Hello, Berta!  Take good care of our Alyce!

alyce cresap wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>Hey, Alyce, did Berta get there okay?
>>
>
> Yes, Thursday in the snow. SHe is working hard cleaning up the debris
> around here.
>
> alyce
>
>


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At 06:29 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:15:33 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>        One of my freshmen is writing her I-search on how bad diet
>>>soda is for you :).
>>
>>I-search?
>
>
>        It's a type of research paper that, in theory, helps develop
>voice as it is written in the first person.  The idea is the
>students research something they want to learn about, and
>the paper is largely a narrative of that process -- the
>paper is somewhat recursive :).  Remember that memory thing
>I did?  That was an I-search.  I found it a fun format to
>write in, and it is fun to teach.  I can't remember who came
>up with the idea for it -- McCrorie?
>
>
>>Why is it bad for you? I probably average one can every 3 weeks.
>>Am I going to die soon?!
>
>
>        I'll let you know what Lizzie comes up with :).

Doesn't it leach the calcium out of your bones or something?

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At 07:47 PM 3/15/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 03:23 PM 3/15/2003 -0800, Betty wrote:
>
>>Or lack of sleep or coffee?
>
>That sometimes may be the case, but I don't use it as an excuse.

Jeff does.

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Doris Markland wrote:

>>>The first 10 dya of Lent are past (or will be at midnight);
>>>
> therefore I
>
>>>request a reduction in sentence to an additional 30 days only.
>>>
>>>Bethany the penitent
>>>
>>Overruled. OUT!
>>
>
> I have not been following this thread, but I must
> comment that the word "lent" has meaning for
> me only if someone lent me money or their
> ear.  With all my religious background,
> I have never understood lent.


        Isn't Lent a Catholic/Episcopalian/Lutheran/Orthodox thing?
I didn't think most denominations recognized the Lenten season.




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At 07:55 PM 3/15/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
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> > Hey, Alyce, did Berta get there okay?
>
>Yes, Thursday in the snow. SHe is working hard cleaning up the debris
>around here.

Oh, dear.  Are you keeping an eye on her so she doesn't get carried
away?  Is she a good cook?

Betty

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> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >         Good spellers are visual learners because we learn to spell
> > by memorizing the shapes of words.  I am not a visual
> > learner -- it is my weakest area -- thus spelling has always
> > been difficult for me.  Spelling does not equal writing, of
>
> I haven't researched the topic lately, but afaik nobody has yet shown
a
> link of any kind between good/bad spelling and intelligence.  (The
myth
> that brilliant people are bad spellers is indeed thought to be a myth.
> But brilliant people are just as likely to be bad spellers as good
> spellers.)  Also, unless new discoveries have been made, it is still
> thought that teaching somebody to be a good speller is almost
> impossible.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I have always been a good speller, and I am very
visual, although I think I learned spelling through
my ears because of phonics.

Nevertheless I find myself making spelling errors
in email and it amazes me.  I had not mispelled
anything for years before email.  I think it's because I
think and type fast when I respond to something
and words sometimes come out phonetically
but not properly. It's weird.

                              - D. M.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Hey, Alyce, did Berta get there okay?

Yes, Thursday in the snow. SHe is working hard cleaning up the debris
around here.

alyce

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On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> >when I turned in an assay I had to write,

Assay? We wrote essays.

alyce

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02003-03-15 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 3/15/2003 5:00:15 PM, kaminski@ISTORI.COM writes:
>
> << Is it really that much more important than being friends?
>  >>
>
> No, it isn't. But may I remind you that I was castigated to no end by this
> list when I used to write *hugz* too. It was just used as joke when I was on
> a different network, and when I used *hugz Theo* it identified me as being
> ME. I knew too, that it was incorrect, but all of you were telling me to stop
> it or get off. But of course that's not remembered by any of you now, but
> it's the truth.

I remember it very well, since it went on continuously for several months.
People would log out about midnight and be on again at 7 for a rematch.
I for one refuse to be cowed by your vulgar abuse--I basically think the
word "hugz" is stupid and illiterate. By the way, that tired old excuse--
"I myself knew it was wrong"--won't work. Spare me ...

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At 03:23 PM 3/15/2003 -0800, Betty wrote:

>Or lack of sleep or coffee?

That sometimes may be the case, but I don't use it as an excuse.

cwv

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> > The first 10 dya of Lent are past (or will be at midnight);
therefore I
> > request a reduction in sentence to an additional 30 days only.
> >
> > Bethany the penitent
>
> Overruled. OUT!

I have not been following this thread, but I must
comment that the word "lent" has meaning for
me only if someone lent me money or their
ear.  With all my religious background,
I have never understood lent.

                      - D. M.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> It's an absolute *must* if you do it for a living as I have. The paper I
> wrote for has never had to correct my writing,

It should be "never has had to," not "has never had to." You are not
supposed to split up verbs like that.

> That's all, and I promise I'll
> never again touch the subject again.

Thank you.
alyce

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I went to a poetry reading some time ago--not an open mic, but also
not a knits-or-tweeds gathering with grant-trolling professorial
poets (probably also living a stereotypical "literary life"). But
I can't classify it and don't want to. I saw half of it, which was
two poets. The first was a musician lady whose first piece was ...
this nonsense dada "spoken sonata" she introduced as written by
the German author in an "invented language". Etc. It was definitely
startling, no doubt about that. I listened seriously for a while,
then found myself sympathizing with a few giggling people in the
audience--it had undoubtedly taken a STUPID turn. Finally it pissed
me off, because it was not an invented damn language. True, a few
stand-alone sounds can't be classified as "language-like" or not,
but an accumulation perhaps can, and this wasn't it. It wasn't
linguistic in the slightest--musical, maybe. And it didn't sound
like very good music. And it went on too damn long, given the
paucity of "themes". And it sounded like the *beginning* of
potential music--some nonsense you yell *in private* to get an
itching rhythm and dammed up syllables out of your body. "Real"
musicians, at least in India, call this the inchoate mass from
which real music if any may be derived. So, all in all, I didn't
quite like it.

Today I clicked around to see if I could identify it. It was simpler
than I thought--it's "Ursonate" by Kurt Schwitters. Not very obscure
either, it seems ... Despite having no desire to hear the damn thing
I clicked on it. Well, his performance was entirely different. First
off, it didn't take a STUPID turn anywhere. Second, you could feel it
was not being presented as a "poem in an invented language", it was
being offered as a piece of music. Right--there was no giggling to
be eicited by this, because, for instance, no accidentally formed
English words were going to distract you. Third, it really was rather
lyrical in many places, and some parts sounded like vedic chants I
had to listen to from time to time as a child. And fourth, it sounded
reasonably processed.

Is this the result of hearing it a second time? I don't think so.
That woman screwed it up. She made it sound like words, and put
trivial meanings in them. Pity that that's the first introduction
to it for most in the audience. Rinnzekete bee bee nnz krr müü?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> I can't imagine walking into a store and introducing myself.  But then I
> don't know how things are supposed to operate within bookselling
> circles.

No differently from other circles, I think. I believe the letter-writer
is a little goofy, but just thought I'd ask, because she brought up her
southern-ness.

alyce
>


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02003-03-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Saturday, March 15, 2003, 6:37:25 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-03-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:41:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > 02003-03-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> >> Have you seen that movie about the Indian girl soccer players?
> >> >>
> >> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> > No.
> >>
> >> You need to.
> >>
> >> Jeff
>
> > OK.
>
> And then tell me how you liked it. Thanks, sweetie.
>
> Jeff

Thank you for explaining my needs.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Ignoring the spelling and grammatical errors in *your* post,

But it's a furrin language.  That doesn't count.

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At 06:52 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I put some pictures on the web of Lake Bruin, the place we went several
>times a year from when I was an embryo until I was about thirteen.  I
>was gratified to find the old house with no trouble, even though it
>doesn't look at all the way it used to.  The way I managed to find it
>was that I knew it had to be a certain segment of Lake Bruin because of
>the levee -- it had to be the segment closest to the river.  So I looked
>at a map of the lake and figured out where that would be.  It was so
>very weird when I started rounding a bend and saw the levee in front of
>me and knew that I was about to cross the old cattle-gap, even though it
>was obvious that the cattle-gap was no longer there.  The street was
>paved, not gravel, and there was no hint of a cattle-gap.  Still, my
>whole being felt the feel of the tires on the cattle-gap that wasn't
>there, and I knew that I would see the old place to my right as soon as
>I crossed the no-longer-existent cattle-gap.  And I did.  I first saw
>Hezekiah and Mary's house, near the road, now empty and boarded up.
>(I'm sure that Hezekiah and Mary are dead now, but I wonder what became
>of Ernestine, their daughter who was my age.  She and I played
>together.  They were the caretakers of the place.)  Then I saw the big
>house, which looks not at all now like that old white rambling house,
>though the skeleton of the old house was visible under the skin of the
>current house.  And I saw the metal railings going down the steps to the
>pier, with the boathouse on the right.  I felt that I had gone back in a
>time machine even though the house looked quite different and there was
>a driveway and carport that weren't there in the olden days.  I wish
>somebody had been in the yard.  I would've stopped and asked to go down
>on the pier and ideally to go into the house.  But everything looked
>quiet.
>
>Anyway, I put the pictures on the web for my RRB to look at if he's so
>inclined.  He adored Lake Bruin.  He fished there constantly as a small
>child and then duck and deer hunted there later.  I remember the time he
>and some friends put an illegally shot doe into the trunk of a car and
>brought it back to Jackson.  Talk about a smelly trunk.  Gosh, I wish I
>could go back in time and be shooting pool with Bishop Girou (spelling?
>he was an important Catholic bishop who for some reason was with us
>there one time) at Lake Bruin.
>
>As I said, nobody could possibly be interested in these pictures, but
>here they are:
>http://www.maynor.net/LakeBruin/

I've gone back in time like that in Montana. It's a strange feeling
sometimes, isn't it?  I felt as if I could sit on the steps and wait for
the DDT truck again.

Betty

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Betty wrote:
>
>>Oh, dear.  Are you keeping an eye on her so she doesn't get carried
>>away?  Is she a good cook?
>>
>
> She brought an extra (empty) suitcase and is filling it up with stuff
> she wants. She is a good cook, yes.
>


        I doubt she's even scratched the surface :).




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        Fr. Rich just wrote a really lovely essay about a similar
place in Minnesota that he and his family have been going to
since he was a child.  He turned 60 this year, also.

        I have similar memories about the White Mountains in New
Hampshire.  When we stopped to see the Saco River a few
years ago, I recognized every rock from childhood.  I'm
looking forward to another trip through the National Forest
this summer.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I put some pictures on the web of Lake Bruin, the place we went several
> times a year from when I was an embryo until I was about thirteen.  I
> was gratified to find the old house with no trouble, even though it
> doesn't look at all the way it used to.  The way I managed to find it
> was that I knew it had to be a certain segment of Lake Bruin because of
> the levee -- it had to be the segment closest to the river.  So I looked
> at a map of the lake and figured out where that would be.  It was so
> very weird when I started rounding a bend and saw the levee in front of
> me and knew that I was about to cross the old cattle-gap, even though it
> was obvious that the cattle-gap was no longer there.  The street was
> paved, not gravel, and there was no hint of a cattle-gap.  Still, my
> whole being felt the feel of the tires on the cattle-gap that wasn't
> there, and I knew that I would see the old place to my right as soon as
> I crossed the no-longer-existent cattle-gap.  And I did.  I first saw
> Hezekiah and Mary's house, near the road, now empty and boarded up.
> (I'm sure that Hezekiah and Mary are dead now, but I wonder what became
> of Ernestine, their daughter who was my age.  She and I played
> together.  They were the caretakers of the place.)  Then I saw the big
> house, which looks not at all now like that old white rambling house,
> though the skeleton of the old house was visible under the skin of the
> current house.  And I saw the metal railings going down the steps to the
> pier, with the boathouse on the right.  I felt that I had gone back in a
> time machine even though the house looked quite different and there was
> a driveway and carport that weren't there in the olden days.  I wish
> somebody had been in the yard.  I would've stopped and asked to go down
> on the pier and ideally to go into the house.  But everything looked
> quiet.
>
> Anyway, I put the pictures on the web for my RRB to look at if he's so
> inclined.  He adored Lake Bruin.  He fished there constantly as a small
> child and then duck and deer hunted there later.  I remember the time he
> and some friends put an illegally shot doe into the trunk of a car and
> brought it back to Jackson.  Talk about a smelly trunk.  Gosh, I wish I
> could go back in time and be shooting pool with Bishop Girou (spelling?
> he was an important Catholic bishop who for some reason was with us
> there one time) at Lake Bruin.
>
> As I said, nobody could possibly be interested in these pictures, but
> here they are:
> http://www.maynor.net/LakeBruin/
>
> Now I need to go deal with the orange roughy and asparagus.  I have more
> pictures of things perhaps more interesting, like Bay St. Louis beaches
> and lots of tombstones.  Oh wait -- here's one of some people in BSL who
> are renovating a falling-down house -- she's the sister-in-law of
> somebody I know here -- I dropped in on them and took a picture:
> http://www.maynor.net/washst.jpg
>
> It's online since I did it first so that I could send it to her.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>


--
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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Isn't Lent a Catholic/Episcopalian/Lutheran/Orthodox thing?
> I didn't think most denominations recognized the Lenten season.

It's observed by some Methodists.  After all, John Wesley was an
Anglican until death.

Re Lutherans and Orthodoxians, I found the Lutheran cemetery in Smith
County, MS, and took a picture of my gg-grandfather's grave there.  And
I thought of you, Rita, when roaming around in Vicksburg and passing a
pretty Orthodox Church.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> >>
> >
> > I have not been following this thread, but I must
> > comment that the word "lent" has meaning for
> > me only if someone lent me money or their
> > ear.  With all my religious background,
> > I have never understood lent.
>
>
>         Isn't Lent a Catholic/Episcopalian/Lutheran/Orthodox thing?
> I didn't think most denominations recognized the Lenten season.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

I think it was mentioned in the Methodist church
but never explained (to my satisfaction), and
we were not asked to make any sacrifices or to
honor it in a personal way, as far as I remember.

But then it may be that sometimes I turned
a deaf ear.

                   - D. M.

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02003-03-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Saturday, March 15, 2003, 7:34:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Saturday, March 15, 2003, 6:37:25 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>
> >> > 02003-03-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> >> Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:41:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >> > 02003-03-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> >> >> Have you seen that movie about the Indian girl soccer players?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Jeff
> >> >>
> >> >> > No.
> >> >>
> >> >> You need to.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> > OK.
> >>
> >> And then tell me how you liked it. Thanks, sweetie.
> >>
> >> Jeff
>
> > Thank you for explaining my needs.
>
> Happy to oblige!
>
> Jeff

OK.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
At least *this lowlife* does not stoop to calling
> anybody names.

You have called Americans a zillion names, Theo. Have you forgotten?

alyce

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On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>I have not been following this thread, but I must
>comment that the word "lent" has meaning for
>me only if someone lent me money or their
>ear.  With all my religious background,
>I have never understood lent.

Lent is generally observed by Presby, Methodist, Lutheran, Anglican,
Episcopal, RC, and Eastern Orthodox churches.

In the 16th c Anabaptists kicked Lent out, arguing (wrongly as it
happened) that RCs invented it. All Christian churches emanating from or
heavily influenced by Anabaptists (Amish, Mennonites, Baptists, Puritans,
Plymouth Brethren) tend not to observe Lent.

A few Methodist etc. churches also do not observe it - often because
of being in a general cultural environment that not does observe it.

Lent appears to be making a general comeback. (The best evidence is that It
was observed by the early church from apostolic days on.)

Some history:
Its purpose is and always has been self-examination and penitence,
demonstrated by self-denial, in preparation for Easter. Early church
father Irenaus of Lyons (c.130-c.200) wrote of such a season in the
earliest days of the church, but back then it lasted only two or three
days, not the 40 observed today.

In 325, the Council of Nicea discussed a 40-day Lenten season of fasting,
but it's unclear whether its original intent was just for new Christians
preparing for Baptism, but it soon encompassed the whole Church.

How exactly the churches counted those 40 days varied depending on
location. In the East, one only fasted on weekdays. The western church's
Lent was one week shorter, but included Saturdays. But in both places, the
observance was both strict and serious.

Today (and this has been true for a long time) Lent does NOT include
Sundays - all Sundays are "little Easters." Otherwise it begins on Ash
Wed. and extends through Holy Saturday (the day before Easter), which of
course follows Maundy Thursday and Good Friday.

Bethany

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I put some pictures on the web of Lake Bruin, the place we went several
times a year from when I was an embryo until I was about thirteen.  I
was gratified to find the old house with no trouble, even though it
doesn't look at all the way it used to.  The way I managed to find it
was that I knew it had to be a certain segment of Lake Bruin because of
the levee -- it had to be the segment closest to the river.  So I looked
at a map of the lake and figured out where that would be.  It was so
very weird when I started rounding a bend and saw the levee in front of
me and knew that I was about to cross the old cattle-gap, even though it
was obvious that the cattle-gap was no longer there.  The street was
paved, not gravel, and there was no hint of a cattle-gap.  Still, my
whole being felt the feel of the tires on the cattle-gap that wasn't
there, and I knew that I would see the old place to my right as soon as
I crossed the no-longer-existent cattle-gap.  And I did.  I first saw
Hezekiah and Mary's house, near the road, now empty and boarded up.
(I'm sure that Hezekiah and Mary are dead now, but I wonder what became
of Ernestine, their daughter who was my age.  She and I played
together.  They were the caretakers of the place.)  Then I saw the big
house, which looks not at all now like that old white rambling house,
though the skeleton of the old house was visible under the skin of the
current house.  And I saw the metal railings going down the steps to the
pier, with the boathouse on the right.  I felt that I had gone back in a
time machine even though the house looked quite different and there was
a driveway and carport that weren't there in the olden days.  I wish
somebody had been in the yard.  I would've stopped and asked to go down
on the pier and ideally to go into the house.  But everything looked
quiet.

Anyway, I put the pictures on the web for my RRB to look at if he's so
inclined.  He adored Lake Bruin.  He fished there constantly as a small
child and then duck and deer hunted there later.  I remember the time he
and some friends put an illegally shot doe into the trunk of a car and
brought it back to Jackson.  Talk about a smelly trunk.  Gosh, I wish I
could go back in time and be shooting pool with Bishop Girou (spelling?
he was an important Catholic bishop who for some reason was with us
there one time) at Lake Bruin.

As I said, nobody could possibly be interested in these pictures, but
here they are:
http://www.maynor.net/LakeBruin/

Now I need to go deal with the orange roughy and asparagus.  I have more
pictures of things perhaps more interesting, like Bay St. Louis beaches
and lots of tombstones.  Oh wait -- here's one of some people in BSL who
are renovating a falling-down house -- she's the sister-in-law of
somebody I know here -- I dropped in on them and took a picture:
http://www.maynor.net/washst.jpg

It's online since I did it first so that I could send it to her.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 08:30 PM 3/15/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > I can't imagine walking into a store and introducing myself.  But then I
> > don't know how things are supposed to operate within bookselling
> > circles.
>
>No differently from other circles, I think. I believe the letter-writer
>is a little goofy, but just thought I'd ask, because she brought up her
>southern-ness.

Bless her heart.

Jake

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Why is it bad for you? I probably average one can every 3 weeks.
> Am I going to die soon?!

I'll be there to greet you.  I average about one a day.

--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> LOL, I caught the clue. HB, N!

Thank you!  This really does feel good.  Much better than whichever year
-- must've been last year -- when I finally around 9 p.m. on my birthday
mentioned it on the list so that I wouldn't have to go to bed that night
without any bday greetings at all.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Really? E-mail *is* very different to me. I don't make nearly as
> many errors when I'm writing real stuff--I never even have to
> spell-check my stuff. But I do think that spelling is trivial.

What she said.  All of it.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I'm sure you are! I've very glad you're back, Richard, or Gerald,
> or whoever you are.:) I made Bonnie promise not to talk about
> Catholicism.

I thought I was the one said to have driven Richard away.  Something
about saying "flesh" instead of "body" re Communion.  I found that way
weird since "flesh" is what I remembered from liturgy (not Catholic,
though).

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Paper cups are okay--I've used those before. They are good
> because they catch the wax.

BB may be right that I shouldn't move.  I wonder whether there's even a
peace vigil scheduled at all in BSL, much less whether the organizers
are bringing paper cups.

But speaking of church, as we just were, I have a picture of the church
I will go to if I move to BSL.  Will get it online at some point.

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Betty wrote:
> Oh, dear.  Are you keeping an eye on her so she doesn't get carried
> away?  Is she a good cook?

She brought an extra (empty) suitcase and is filling it up with stuff
she wants. She is a good cook, yes.

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Uh-oh!!! Natalie's on the prowl!

Not really.  I'm just always <alert> in such ways.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> http://www.halandmals.com/stpat/

I hate frames.  That url is the general one.  I failed to go to "open
frame in new window" before cutting/pasting.  I had meant to post the
schedule:

http://www.halandmals.com/stpat/schedule/sched.html

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

>  But of course that's not remembered by any of you now, but
> it's the truth.

I remember it.  "Hugs" would be just as off-putting in a sig, imho.

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At 07:39 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > I'm sure you are! I've very glad you're back, Richard, or Gerald,
> > or whoever you are.:) I made Bonnie promise not to talk about
> > Catholicism.
>
>I thought I was the one said to have driven Richard away.  Something
>about saying "flesh" instead of "body" re Communion.  I found that way
>weird since "flesh" is what I remembered from liturgy (not Catholic,
>though).

EEEEEEEEK.    Out!  All of you.

Betty

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At 08:43 PM 3/15/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> > Oh, dear.  Are you keeping an eye on her so she doesn't get carried
> > away?  Is she a good cook?
>
>She brought an extra (empty) suitcase and is filling it up with stuff
>she wants. She is a good cook, yes.

Don't let her escape with just one suitcase. You must have some she can
take, too.

Betty

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 7:12:40 PM, Betty wrote:
> Doesn't it leach the calcium out of your bones or something?

Not diet soda in particular--any carbonated beverage.

Jeff

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 7:34:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Saturday, March 15, 2003, 6:37:25 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>> > 02003-03-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:41:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> >> > 02003-03-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> >> Have you seen that movie about the Indian girl soccer players?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jeff
>> >>
>> >> > No.
>> >>
>> >> You need to.
>> >>
>> >> Jeff
>>
>> > OK.
>>
>> And then tell me how you liked it. Thanks, sweetie.
>>
>> Jeff

> Thank you for explaining my needs.

Happy to oblige!

Jeff

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> A few Methodist etc. churches also do not observe it - often because
> of being in a general cultural environment that not does observe it.

Methodist churches seem to vary widely in general.  The one I grew up in
was basically Episcopalian in practices and attitudes.  When I started
singing in the Episcopal Church choir here, I found that I knew pretty
much all of the words to all of the stuff we said in the services.  It
was identical to the Methodist stuff except for the few little
differences like Christ's descending into Hell and rising again instead
of arising from the dead and ascending into Heaven forthwith.  But some
Methodist churches aren't as <high church> as mine was.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> No differently from other circles, I think. I believe the letter-writer
> is a little goofy, but just thought I'd ask, because she brought up her
> southern-ness.

I can say with assurance that Southerners do not routinely introduce
themselves when walking into stores.

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I hate it when the BellSouth outgoing mailserver acts contrary.  Maybe
its incoming mailserver does also, but I have no relationship with it.
I don't get my incoming mail via BS.  This weekend the BS mailserver has
been working only off and on, which means that I have to dial up to MSU
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pain it would be if I got incoming mail via BS instead of via Wojo.  I
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MSU outgoing mailserver's name and squirted mail through it while
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At 08:10 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Saturday, March 15, 2003, 7:12:40 PM, Betty wrote:
> > Doesn't it leach the calcium out of your bones or something?
>
>Not diet soda in particular--any carbonated beverage.

Yes, you're correct.  Drink milk.

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 8:21:25 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 08:10 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Saturday, March 15, 2003, 7:12:40 PM, Betty wrote:
>> > Doesn't it leach the calcium out of your bones or something?
>>
>>Not diet soda in particular--any carbonated beverage.

> Yes, you're correct.  Drink milk.

No, thank you.

Jeff

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At 06:21 PM 3/15/2003 -0800, Betty wrote:
>At 08:10 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Saturday, March 15, 2003, 7:12:40 PM, Betty wrote:
>> > Doesn't it leach the calcium out of your bones or something?
>>
>>Not diet soda in particular--any carbonated beverage.
>
>Yes, you're correct.  Drink milk.

Except for Marie and Clyde!

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 20:23:11 -0600
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Isn't Lent a Catholic/Episcopalian/Lutheran/Orthodox thing?
>>I didn't think most denominations recognized the Lenten season.
>>
>
> It's observed by some Methodists.  After all, John Wesley was an
> Anglican until death.
>
> Re Lutherans and Orthodoxians, I found the Lutheran cemetery in Smith
> County, MS, and took a picture of my gg-grandfather's grave there.  And
> I thought of you, Rita, when roaming around in Vicksburg and passing a
> pretty Orthodox Church.


        I want my cousin to take a picture of the Rouvalis Orthodox
Church in Achaia and send it to me.

        We're doing Lent with the Lutherans again this year.  I
really, really dislike attending churches other than my own
parish*, but I go every year because a) I like the tradition
of extra services during Lent b) I like the concept of
bringing churches together instead of splitting apart and c)
Fr. Rich was very personally involved in the concordat
between us and the Lutherans, and I feel I owe him the
support.  But I must say I'm not a fan of the Lutheran
services.  I'm relieved that the next two weeks are back at
St. B.


        *This is just my personal weirdness.
--
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Betty wrote:

> At 06:29 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>> Saturday, March 15, 2003, 5:15:33 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>>        One of my freshmen is writing her I-search on how bad diet
>>>> soda is for you :).
>>>
>>>
>>> I-search?
>>
>>
>>
>>        It's a type of research paper that, in theory, helps develop
>> voice as it is written in the first person.  The idea is the
>> students research something they want to learn about, and
>> the paper is largely a narrative of that process -- the
>> paper is somewhat recursive :).  Remember that memory thing
>> I did?  That was an I-search.  I found it a fun format to
>> write in, and it is fun to teach.  I can't remember who came
>> up with the idea for it -- McCrorie?
>>
>>
>>> Why is it bad for you? I probably average one can every 3 weeks.
>>> Am I going to die soon?!
>>
>>
>>
>>        I'll let you know what Lizzie comes up with :).
>
>
> Doesn't it leach the calcium out of your bones or something?


        I think she's concentrating on the effects of the artificial
sweeteners.




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Doris Markland wrote:


> I have always been a good speller, and I am very
> visual, although I think I learned spelling through
> my ears because of phonics.


I'd be surprised if phonics taught you how to spell.



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I went to the library earlier this evening. Picked up a book
called "Crappy Not Happy" or something. I couldn't resist the
title. I'll let y'all know how it is. Anyway, people bring
magazines they are done with and leave them by the door. Did you
know that there is a magazine for women with breast cancer?! I
didn't, until today. Is there a magazine for every disease?

Karen

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 8:23:11 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         We're doing Lent with the Lutherans again this year.  I
> really, really dislike attending churches other than my own
> parish*, but I go every year because a) I like the tradition
> of extra services during Lent

The Catholic church on the corner is doing extra services during
Lent.

Jeff

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Jeff writes,

> > Doesn't it leach the calcium out of your bones or something?
>
>Not diet soda in particular--any carbonated beverage.

UL.

Carbonation or phosphorous (phosphoric acid) seems to have no effect;
caffeine may have a small effect.

http://www.obgyn.net/newsrx/womens_health-Osteoporosis-20010913-19.asp
http://www.healthsentinel.com/Briefs/Soda.htm

http://www.nsda.org/About/news/nutritionarticle.html (bias warning,
manufacturer's organization)

Drinking calcium-free beverages vs. calcium-containing beverages will
probably have an effect, however.  (Milk has its own problems, but that's a
different story.)

Pete

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 8:24:55 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> I'd be surprised if phonics taught you how to spell.

Why? I think it helped me.

Jeff

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YaY!

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 8:31:35 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Doris, Natalie - do you know what the Collect of the Day is?

I thought it was just a collect. Yes, it varies daily, but so
does all the scripture.

Jeff

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Subject: Collect of the Day


> Doris, Natalie - do you know what the Collect of the Day is?
>
> Bethany

It doesn't ring a bell, but then as I said
I wasn't listening too closely, and I
haven't participated for years.

             - D. M>

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> > > > > Just imagine a damn biological and metabolic force converting into
> > > > > tangible form, will you?
> > > > OK, I'll try:
> > > > Looks a lot like -YOU-, you bald chocolate monkey smirking with the
> > > dwindling sexuality of a superpimped Ken doll
> > > > swoon
> > > Dr Borkin, *please*. People are staring.
> > Well I can't help it when I see -YOU- you saffron-scented sirloin cut
> of mesquite mumbai man-meat!!!
> > swoon
>
> Dr Borkin, this is highly crass and vulgar!

Right-o, you iggernut furriner, kiss my pennywhistle, it's St Patricks
day!

Dr. Brokin

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Just saying...

Karen

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>
>
> > I have always been a good speller, and I am very
> > visual, although I think I learned spelling through
> > my ears because of phonics.
>
>
> I'd be surprised if phonics taught you how to spell.
>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

You are kidding!

      - D. M.

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Doris, Natalie - do you know what the Collect of the Day is?

Bethany

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Doris Markland wrote:

>>
>>>I have always been a good speller, and I am very
>>>visual, although I think I learned spelling through
>>>my ears because of phonics.
>>>
>>
>>I'd be surprised if phonics taught you how to spell.
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>>
>
> You are kidding!


        OK, I have a few words for you:

        Breed
        Bread
        Read
        Read (past tense)
        Red





--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Betty wrote:
> I felt as if I could sit on the steps and wait for
> the DDT truck again.

Did you also play in the DDT?  Can I look forward to your company in the
cancer ward?  As I think I've mentioned before, playing in the spray
from the DDT truck was one of the favorite summer activities in my
neighborhood.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 06:25 PM 3/15/2003 -0800, Betty wrote:

>>Yes, you're correct.  Drink milk.
>
>Except for Marie and Clyde!

I can't speak for Marie, but I consume a reasonable amount of
(lactose-free) milk in coffee, on cereal, and in cooking.  I don't dislike
milk and and other dairy products, I simply can't digest them very well
without substantial help.

cwv

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The other "sound poem" was improvised, and I have really nothing
to say except it's hard to make these sound not comical. We turn
immediately to the second poet of the evening, and boy that was
a complex experience. First off, when he came in and sat in the
same row as me a few feet away, damned if you couldn't cut the
fug with a machete ... Not that he was a disgusting guy or
anything, overall, but.

Then when his time came he proceeded to deliver the most addle-
brained "poems" imaginable. I wasn't really listening after line
3 anyway ... but when something recurred in the third poem I felt
a bit interested. It was a sad false alarm--after a few of the
most numbingly dull poems, it turned out that these "themes"
recurred because he had no fresh words. It was just a sad spec-
tacle of a drug-destroyed brain. His stopping and explaining some
dumb allusion in the poem was even sadder--because he thought that
was the killer punchline and it wasn't. Etc. The whole thing came
to an ignominious end and people clapped politely. I was thinking
by that time of a similar sad waste of time--my favorite comedian
Norm McDonald. His sucking had no bounds, he explained his dumb
excuses for punchlines when he got no laughs, and with it he
excited horror and pity. And yet, I thought, there must be people
who thought he was "charmingly incompetent" or some crap, people
who thought that the sucking itself was, like, pretty funny. Dear
gods. Sure snough, an absurdly-dressed character comes up and
emphatically congratulates the poet--especially on his incredible
references to the 80s.

It was horrible. Be warned--there is a huge, HUGE number of them,
and now they getting old, and they are dullest people in the world,
crammed full of "80s references" and even more superficial stuff.
They are sad, sad people.

Damn, I couldn't even drink after that though--curse this St
Patricks nonsense ...

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02003-03-15 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Did you also play in the DDT?  Can I look forward to your company in the
> cancer ward?  As I think I've mentioned before, playing in the spray
> from the DDT truck was one of the favorite summer activities in my
> neighborhood.

I don't think you have ever mentioned this.

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On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Is "levity" as much of an I-am-an-ass word as "propensity"?
> Discuss.
>
> Borkin, you can come in now

It's all in  how you use it.  Like, if you say something like "This levity
does not become you," you are an ass.  But if you say "Stop this fucking
levity it gives me a pain in the cremaster" that's beyond cool.

Borkin

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Rita Chapman wrote:

 b) I like the concept of
> bringing churches together instead of splitting apart

Starkville has a wonderful community-wide Thanksgiving service a few
nights before Thanksgiving.  All the churches in town participate (or
maybe all -- maybe some don't), and it's really fun.  I haven't been
since I quit singing, but I loved going and singing in the huge mass
choir made up of all the church choirs in town.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> Doris, Natalie - do you know what the Collect of the Day is?

I'm not sure what you mean about knowing what it is.  It's part of the
church service -- usually an early part.

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At 08:48 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> > I felt as if I could sit on the steps and wait for
> > the DDT truck again.
>
>Did you also play in the DDT?  Can I look forward to your company in the
>cancer ward?  As I think I've mentioned before, playing in the spray
>from the DDT truck was one of the favorite summer activities in my
>neighborhood.
.
Yes, we discussed this in 1996.

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On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> I don't think you have ever mentioned this.

I remember it.  I paired it with my college roomate telling me how she
used to love taking deep breaths of the exhaust from buses (Manhattan &
Brooklyn).

Ann

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Just saying...

I don't get excited by this one.  The one I care most about is the
December one.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Doris, Natalie - do you know what the Collect of the Day is?
>
> I thought it was just a collect. Yes, it varies daily, but so
> does all the scripture.

I've seen it called more often just The Collect.  But I've also
sometimes seen it called The Collect of the Day.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > I don't get excited by this one.  The one I care most about is the
> > December one.
>
> Isn't that a solstice? Or did I screw up?

No, you didn't screw up.  The December one is a solstice.  But I lump
solstices and equinoxes together as a <group> -- which I bet Theo thinks
is bad and is a result of my inferior US education.

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 9:09:04 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > I don't get excited by this one.  The one I care most about is the
>> > December one.
>>
>> Isn't that a solstice? Or did I screw up?

> No, you didn't screw up.  The December one is a solstice.  But I lump
> solstices and equinoxes together as a <group> -- which I bet Theo thinks
> is bad and is a result of my inferior US education.

I don't know what Theo thinks, but I think it's bad to lump
different things in the same basket.

Jeff

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> off, it didn't take a STUPID turn anywhere. Second, you could feel it
> was not being presented as a "poem in an invented language", it was

This is terrific, thanks, what a find.  I had never heard of this.

If anybody wants a site, here one is:
http://www.kunstradio.at/PROJECTS/SCHWITTERS/EXHIBITS/ursonate2.html

Ann

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I don't know what Theo thinks, but I think it's bad to lump
> different things in the same basket.

You don't see any similarity at all between equinoxes and solstices?  I
am likely mutant in this, but I see them as very much of a common
basket.

--
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> Costco has Splenda-flavored Diet Hansen's. The ginger ale is
> quiet good--very gingery.

I'll have to look for it at my Costco. I don't normally go down the soda
aisle.

I'm on my last bottle of Black Cherry Waist Watchers by Adirondack. Time to
head to the despised chain of supermarkets for more. I wish my home chain
carried it.

--Adam
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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 9:03:16 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I don't get excited by this one.  The one I care most about is the
> December one.

Isn't that a solstice? Or did I screw up?

Jeff

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> It was horrible. Be warned--there is a huge, HUGE number of them,
> and now they getting old, and they are dullest people in the world,
> crammed full of "80s references" and even more superficial stuff.
> They are sad, sad people.

One of the weirdest things about growing old is seeing younger
generations age, and badly.

- a Pompous Ass saying from Dr. A. M. H. Borkin

Ann

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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> without any bday greetings at all.

Are you counting?  Count me in, Happy Birthday, Natalie.

Ann

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > without any bday greetings at all.
>
> Are you counting?  Count me in, Happy Birthday, Natalie.

Thank you.  I'm not counting -- I'm just happy for a greeting at all.  I
do always get a card from an old boyfriend, laying a guilt trip upon me
since his bday is March 6.  I never send him a card, even though I
always think about him on the 6th.  He then sends me one, making me feel
bad for not having sent him one.  I told him about my guilt at one of
our hs class reunions.  I got his card yesterday.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-03-15 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > off, it didn't take a STUPID turn anywhere. Second, you could feel it
> > was not being presented as a "poem in an invented language", it was
>
> This is terrific, thanks, what a find.  I had never heard of this.
>
> If anybody wants a site, here one is:
> http://www.kunstradio.at/PROJECTS/SCHWITTERS/EXHIBITS/ursonate2.html

There is a huge stash at http://www.ubu.com/mp3/

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02003-03-15 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > I don't think you have ever mentioned this.
>
> I remember it.  I paired it with my college roomate telling me how she
> used to love taking deep breaths of the exhaust from buses (Manhattan &
> Brooklyn).

I was employing levity to hide my pain, STUPID. Like we haven't heard
the dancing in DDT thing every year since 1991 ...

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 9:15:45 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> You don't see any similarity at all between equinoxes and solstices?  I
> am likely mutant in this, but I see them as very much of a common
> basket.

The equinoxes are alike because of course the days and nights
are the same length. The spring one makes me happy, the fall one
makes me sad. The solstices are different; they are the PEAK of
summer or PEAK of winter.

They are all part of the same sine wave of life, but honestly,
can't that be said about almost anything? Even bad poetry.

Jeff

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 9:17:39 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> I'm on my last bottle of Black Cherry Waist Watchers by Adirondack. Time to
> head to the despised chain of supermarkets for more. I wish my home chain
> carried it.

One of the Hansen's flavors is black cherry.

Jeff

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On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
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> I was employing levity to hide my pain, STUPID. Like we haven't heard
> the dancing in DDT thing every year since 1991 ...

Oh, sorry, exSQUEEZE ME!

HUGZ

Norma Jean

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Karen Kay wrote:

> They are all part of the same sine wave of life, but honestly,
> can't that be said about almost anything? Even bad poetry.

Yes, but I see equinoxes and solstices as being much more alike than
many other things that can be paired.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>
>         OK, I have a few words for you:
>
>         Breed
>         Bread
>         Read
>         Read (past tense)
>         Red
> -
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

I don't remember how all that was presented
but I know it was  made clear to us, and
I don't remember any confusion.  Maybe
it was phonics in context or something.
Words were never a mystery to me.
However they taught us, we had a feeling
for the words.  One thing we did not do
was learn by memorizing how the word
looked (whatever that's called), which is
how my children were taught . . rather
dismally.  I later wished I had taught them
reading at home, but we were asked not to
interfere with the system they were
<teaching>.

                 - D. M.

                      - D. M.

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02003-03-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> The equinoxes are alike because of course the days and nights
> are the same length. The spring one makes me happy, the fall one
> makes me sad.

Ah, so they ARE different after all.

> The solstices are different; they are the PEAK of summer or PEAK
> of winter.  They are all part of the same sine wave of life, but
> honestly, can't that be said about almost anything? Even bad poetry.

No, "Jeff".

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02003-03-15 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > They are all part of the same sine wave of life, but honestly,
> > can't that be said about almost anything? Even bad poetry.
>
> Yes, but I see equinoxes and solstices as being much more alike than
> many other things that can be paired.

Dr Maynor is correct ... and Dr Kay is wrong. Which leads me to
the question: is mutant@words-l.org an appropriate address for
Dr Maynor. For if it is, an alias to Maynor's real address will
be provided cheerfully, even blithely.

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At 09:48 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-03-15 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > > They are all part of the same sine wave of life, but honestly,
> > > can't that be said about almost anything? Even bad poetry.
> >
> > Yes, but I see equinoxes and solstices as being much more alike than
> > many other things that can be paired.
>
>Dr Maynor is correct ... and Dr Kay is wrong. Which leads me to
>the question: is mutant@words-l.org an appropriate address for
>Dr Maynor. For if it is, an alias to Maynor's real address will
>be provided cheerfully, even blithely.

I want to be BadBetty@words-l.org

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02003-03-15 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > I was employing levity to hide my pain, STUPID. Like we haven't heard
> > the dancing in DDT thing every year since 1991 ...
>
> Oh, sorry, exSQUEEZE ME!
>
> HUGZ
>
> Norma Jean

I barf repeatedly. Borkin--OUT!

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>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>>Bruce just bought us tickets to a Man U game in July at the Meadowlands.
>
>Did you cancel your trip to Europe?

Nah. If my mom's crazy enough to go, I'll go down with her. The game is July
31.

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02003-03-15 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 09:48 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-15 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> >> Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >> > They are all part of the same sine wave of life, but honestly,
> >> > can't that be said about almost anything? Even bad poetry.
> >>
> >> Yes, but I see equinoxes and solstices as being much more alike than
> >> many other things that can be paired.
> >
> >Dr Maynor is correct ... and Dr Kay is wrong. Which leads me to
> >the question: is mutant@words-l.org an appropriate address for
> >Dr Maynor. For if it is, an alias to Maynor's real address will
> >be provided cheerfully, even blithely.
>
> I want to be BadBetty@words-l.org

Since you asked nice, Ice Queen ...

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At 10:31 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-03-15 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 09:48 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >02003-03-15 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > >> Karen Kay wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > They are all part of the same sine wave of life, but honestly,
> > >> > can't that be said about almost anything? Even bad poetry.
> > >>
> > >> Yes, but I see equinoxes and solstices as being much more alike than
> > >> many other things that can be paired.
> > >
> > >Dr Maynor is correct ... and Dr Kay is wrong. Which leads me to
> > >the question: is mutant@words-l.org an appropriate address for
> > >Dr Maynor. For if it is, an alias to Maynor's real address will
> > >be provided cheerfully, even blithely.
> >
> > I want to be BadBetty@words-l.org
>
>Since you asked nice, Ice Queen ...


Make it so, dankish elf-skinned clotpole.

BB

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>in email and it amazes me.  I had not mispelled

Oops, there goes another...stupid American

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This St Pat's Horror Show reminds me of the bartender at Fitzers
in New York ... he looked like he would play, say, the part of
"mustardseed" or something. I immediately guessed his name must
be with high probability Tom, AND IT WAS. Anyway ... somebody
busted in, and asked about what beers they had. Tom says "Bood,
Bood Lay-It ..."

"BOOD"? WTF? This is fuckin America, cut out this turbo-ethnic
bastardry!

Very nice guy, I am not denying that

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02003-03-15 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 10:31 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-15 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> At 09:48 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >02003-03-15 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> >> >> Karen Kay wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > They are all part of the same sine wave of life, but honestly,
> >> >> > can't that be said about almost anything? Even bad poetry.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, but I see equinoxes and solstices as being much more alike than
> >> >> many other things that can be paired.
> >> >
> >> >Dr Maynor is correct ... and Dr Kay is wrong. Which leads me to
> >> >the question: is mutant@words-l.org an appropriate address for
> >> >Dr Maynor. For if it is, an alias to Maynor's real address will
> >> >be provided cheerfully, even blithely.
> >>
> >> I want to be BadBetty@words-l.org
> >
> >Since you asked nice, Ice Queen ...
>
> Make it so, dankish elf-skinned clotpole.

It is already so!!!@ Dumb Americans!

Nice language there, though

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In a message dated 3/15/2003 8:14:24 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< I got his card yesterday. >>

I can't send you a card, since I don't know your address, but happy day,
anyway.
Theo

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I'm on the road in the morning . .
Will be at Mayo's probably all week . .
Where I will be thoroughly gone over . .
Run through the Xray and the boob crusher . .
Viewed and interviewed, measured and probed . .
And hopefully declared physically fit
And once again, a perfect AH . .
After certain invasive procedures.

I'll have my laptop with me.

            - D. M.

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Saturday, March 15, 2003, 11:57:51 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> And once again, a perfect AH

AH?

Jeff

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Doris Markland wrote:

>>        OK, I have a few words for you:
>>
>>        Breed
>>        Bread
>>        Read
>>        Read (past tense)
>>        Red
>>-
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>
>
> I don't remember how all that was presented
> but I know it was  made clear to us, and
> I don't remember any confusion.  Maybe
> it was phonics in context or something.
> Words were never a mystery to me.
> However they taught us, we had a feeling
> for the words.  One thing we did not do
> was learn by memorizing how the word
> looked (whatever that's called), which is
> how my children were taught . . rather
> dismally.  I later wished I had taught them
> reading at home, but we were asked not to
> interfere with the system they were
> <teaching>.


        You learned by families, ie. you learned a list like face,
pace, race, then the next week pat, rat, fat.

        It sounds like your children learned whole language (which is
not what I was talking about), which most educators don't
believe in it anymore.  Most kids do best with a combo of
whole language and phonics.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> I can't send you a card, since I don't know your address, but happy day,
> anyway.

Thank you!

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 7:33:54 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
>> Saturday, March 15, 2003, 11:57:51 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>> > And once again, a perfect AH
>>
>> AH?
>>
>> Jeff

> The only verdict you want after
> a colonoscopy.

I've never had one, and have no plans to have one, so I'm still
clue-free.

Jeff

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>
>
>         You learned by families, ie. you learned a list like face,
> pace, race, then the next week pat, rat, fat.
>
>         It sounds like your children learned whole language (which is
> not what I was talking about), which most educators don't
> believe in it anymore.  Most kids do best with a combo of
> whole language and phonic

--
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Think you're right and I agree.

             - D. M.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I asked the question because I learned to my surprise last week that one
> of our most faithful daily office readers at the Cathedral (daily for
> Morning Prayer, read at 8 a.m. M-F) did not have the faintest idea what I
> meant when I used the phrase "Collect of the Day." She had just been
> selecting a collect from those suggested as additional collects and
> reading it instead.

I'd always thought it was simply a canned prayer considered appropriate
for a particular Sunday of the year.  But if it absolutely has to be
used, why are there also "additional collects"?

--
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I asked whether Natalie and Doris know what the collect of the day is, and
I received these responses:

>I thought it was just a collect. Yes, it varies daily, but so
>does all the scripture.

>It doesn't ring a bell, but then as I said I wasn't listening too
>closely, and I haven't participated for years.

>I'm not sure what you mean about knowing what it is.  It's part of the
>church service -- usually an early part.

>I've seen it called more often just The Collect.  But I've also
>sometimes seen it called The Collect of the Day.

I asked the question because I learned to my surprise last week that one
of our most faithful daily office readers at the Cathedral (daily for
Morning Prayer, read at 8 a.m. M-F) did not have the faintest idea what I
meant when I used the phrase "Collect of the Day." She had just been
selecting a collect from those suggested as additional collects and
reading it instead. The Collect of the Day (used in all daily offices)
is always the Collect for the preceding Sunday. It is a prayer appointed
for the particular Sunday on a one year cycle, a prayer uttered near the
beginning of the Eucharist - it precedes the lessons.

(It may be modeled on Biblical language, but it is not necessarily
verbatim scripture.)

Bethany

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> Saturday, March 15, 2003, 11:57:51 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> > And once again, a perfect AH
>
> AH?
>
> Jeff

The only verdict you want after
a colonoscopy.

         - D. M.

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On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I'd always thought it was simply a canned prayer considered appropriate
>for a particular Sunday of the year.  But if it absolutely has to be
>used, why are there also "additional collects"?

Many things need to be prayed for.

Bethany

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> On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >I'd always thought it was simply a canned prayer considered
appropriate
> >for a particular Sunday of the year.  But if it absolutely has to be
> >used, why are there also "additional collects"?
>
> Many things need to be prayed for.
>
> Bethany

Pray for peace.

       - D. M.

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----- Original Message -----
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> > If you told her to fuck off, you needlessly hurt her feelings, Adam.
> > She was having a difficult time, and you shouldn't have added to her
> > misery. Theo
>
> Theo, I most certainly did not do any such thing.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com
>

Theo needs to learn to read how to read.

alec

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----- Original Message -----
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> Theodora Groothof wrote:
> > You said it. She was hurting and she didn't get any support from y'all.
>
> Evelyn always has been given top quality Wordsler support, through her
> good times and the bad. I am upset to learn that she uns*bbed and don't
> understand why she did it.
>
> alyce
>
Crazy and stressed!


alec

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 10:00:01 AM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> Theo needs to learn to read how to read.

Alec! What are you doing here on a Sunday?

Karen

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> In a message dated 3/15/2003 3:10:53 PM, cwv@PANAX.COM writes:
>
> << >  Spelling does not equal writing, of
> >course.
>
> Well, it's certainly a part of it.
>  >>
>
> It's an absolute *must* if you do it for a living as I have. The paper I
> wrote for has never had to correct my writing, and I'm proud of that fact,
> and I don't care if you consider me arrogant either. Once, in highschool,
> when I turned in an assay I had to write, my teacher said that it was

Is it essay? Amazing speller.


> excellent, but that he had given it an 8, because I had made ONE spelling
> mistake. I'll never forget that as long as I live. :-)
> As you probably know, we are graded from 1-10 where 6 is average, therefor
it
> was still a good grade, but I was sad that I had overlooked the mistake,
> because the subject I had written about had been a priority when I wrote
it;
> not the spelling.
> It saddens me to realize that writing correctly in your own language is
not
> considered to be important in USA schools. That's all, and I promise I'll
> never again touch the subject again. Theo
>

alec

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-03-15 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > Tushar Samant:
= > = 02003-03-14 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > = > because they were busy fixing the problem!
= > = >
= > = > clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
= > = > = This from our esteemed departmental computer support group. Why it took
= > = > = them three days to think of letting us know, I can't fathom!
= > =
= > = Sorry, I cannot support this staff. I sympathize with frazzled
= > = admins spending hours in various states of being in the dark,
= > = getting (butthead) network providers and other service people
= > = to cooperate, salvaging lost data, deciding what to give up on,
= > = etc etc, but they can't write a lousy email saying "it's not
= > = you"?
= >
= > Actually, I find it a pretty good indicator of the quality of the
= > management of their departmantal computer support group.  In this
= > case they're on the road to improvement.  They acutally got a
= > note out about the problem.
= >
= > Isn't it that you've never worked any place big enough to have
= > this kind of communication breakdown?
=
= You formula answer (they were busy fixing the problem) made me
= think they were aware of the problem from the start. What does
= the size of a department have to do letting people know they
= are working on the problem?

You're probably right.  They probably didn't realize there was a
problem right away.  In bigger places the IT staff is a bit more
isolated from everyone else.  Then they forget to actually tell
everyone else what's going on.  Until someone from mgt. actually
realizes it's a good idea to inform everyone that things aren't
working as they're supposed to.

Alec is probably a better one than I to comment on this.

I dunno.  I just work to keep my credibility up with the guys so
when I tell them I think there is something the matter, they
actually look.

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Can't remember whether I've pointed this out before:

http://www.oeaw.ac.at/kal/sh/index.htm#sample

(somebody's idea of what Homer, sung, might have sounded like)

Ann

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >I'd always thought it was simply a canned prayer considered appropriate
> >for a particular Sunday of the year.  But if it absolutely has to be
> >used, why are there also "additional collects"?
>
> Many things need to be prayed for.

So additional means additional as in doing more than one the same day,
right?  I thought maybe it meant additional as in choosing to substitute
one of the others.

--
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On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>So additional means additional as in doing more than one the same day,
>right?  I thought maybe it meant additional as in choosing to substitute
>one of the others.

Well, to take this topic further than it should probably be taken on this
<service>, yes. During Morning Prayer, for instance, it is proper to
include the Lord's Prayer, one set of suffrages, the Collect of the Day,
additional collects as desired (these are options), and (not optional), a
collect for mission (unless the Eucharist is to follow) - then either a
General Thanksgiving or the Prayer of St. Chrysostom.

Bethany

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On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>Pray for peace.

Indeed.

Bethany

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I guess tomorrow is now today, so I hope it is the right day to say
Happy Birthday.

alyce

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Beliefnet has collected a "faith-by-faith guide to where the major
religious denominations stand on war with Iraq"
<http://www.beliefnet.com/story/121/story_12190_1.html>.

They count 9 Christian groups opposed, and 1 supportive (Southern Baptist
Convention as represented by Richard Land, who has strong ties to President
Bush).  3 Jewish groups want to exhaust all other options first, but don't
oppose war.  2 other groups (Council on American-Islamic Relations,
Unitarian Universalist Association) also oppose.

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> I guess tomorrow is now today, so I hope it is the right day to say
> Happy Birthday.

Thank you.  Yesterday's tomorrow is indeed today.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Go Dawgs!

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These aren't very exciting pictures, but here they are anyway:

http://www.msstate.edu./Archives/Words-L/Mar03/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>  it is still
> thought that teaching somebody to be a good speller is almost
> impossible.

I won't argue, but it just slipped into my mind that it is vice versa when
learning a foreign language -- at least by the "old school method", so to
say (no immersing in a language, or teaching colloquial lg first and then
starting to learn grammar and spelling -- note that I am not saying one
method is better than others).

I have found out recently that I have forsaken my pronunciation even on the
level that I do not remember how all those -eres and -ears are to be
pronounced. I was working on it just today for a while: wear vs. weary, ear
and hear vs. hare or hair, then: appear, etc. (Now wait, I didn't check up
'pear' ... aha, differently from 'appear'!) I tended to always say the more
remote(?), back and broader variant, even in words learnt long ago. I had
to check up how exactly 'dear' and 'clear' are to be pronounced.

Somehow spelling is easier to remember. Maybe it differs individually.

I hope ere long I can remember correct pronunciation again.

Kristin

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Roy Jaques wrote:

> > What is NGO?
>
> Non Govermental Organisations such as Médecins sans Frontières. Aid
> organisations which are not set up or funded directly by governments.

Thank you, too.

Kristin

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 1:31:59 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> When it comes to nitpicking, shouldn't it be written as two words?

Usually it is. But we divide it into words because we are native
English speakers. Lots of languages don't have word divisions at
all, you know. I read that English has word divisions because
Irish monks were were too stupid to understand written language
without it. (Japanese has no word divisions.)

>  Non
> sequitur -- (it) cannot be/is not  concluded/deduced? Or is it a matter
> of ortography differences in  various Latin sources?

It's literally 'does not follow'.

Jeff

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steph wrote:

>  then I just lost all courage:
> = what if I cannot utter a word... Silly me.
> =
> = Kristin
>
> I had a visitor once from Finland who is deaf.  So she carried
> around a notebook and we talked that way.

Sure we've managed in one way or another. Even if neither of us knows cued speech.

Kristin

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> >>        Nonsequitor of the week!
> >
> > -tur.
> >
> > Theo
> >
>
>         LOL.  Make that three languages I can't spell in :).

When it comes to nitpicking, shouldn't it be written as two words? Non
sequitur -- (it) cannot be/is not  concluded/deduced? Or is it a matter
of ortography differences in  various Latin sources?

Kr

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/15/2003 5:00:15 PM, kaminski@ISTORI.COM writes:
>
> << Is it really that much more important than being friends?
>  >>
>
> No, it isn't.

:-(

Kr.

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 12:22:34 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> During Morning Prayer, for instance, it is proper to
> include the Lord's Prayer, one set of suffrages, the Collect of the Day,

What is a suffrage?

Jeff

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Kristin Sarv wrote too quickly (don't read it!):

> > << Is it really that much more important than being friends?
> >  >>
> >
> > No, it isn't.
>
> :-(

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--- Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
> These aren't very exciting pictures, but here they
> are anyway:
>
> http://www.msstate.edu./Archives/Words-L/Mar03/
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
Plenty good enough, though, to jog my memory and make
me realize that I have been in BSL, quite recently -
sorry, geography center must have been sleeping.
(or I signed on after you talked about why you were
going there).

Why were you there? Were you househunting? forgive my
mouse-brain.
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Betty wrote:
>
> Sorry, Natalie but it was close.

Close doesn't count.  Losers are losers, alas.  I didn't end up watching
much of it.  I didn't like the way it was <feeling>.  I kept it on and
was in and out, especially during the first half, when we were ahead.  I
saw only a little bit of the second half.  One problem, though, with
being in different rooms and judging from the cheering how things are
going is that it doesn't work at a game when neither team is at home
since there seems to be about the same amount of cheering for each of
them.  So finally I went back in and watched the last minute of the
game.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, March 16, 2003, 2:11:34 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > But, sorry, there are still over four days till the equinox comes, aren't
> > there. Do not tell me it comes earlier on the Western hemisphere!
>
> Because of where Austin is located, it comes earlier.

Well, this is definitely beyond my Ken. (how , o, how should I be able to write
it with a minuscule!)

I thought solstices and equinoxes (I cannot find any other plural for it, and
dare not to experiment) take place at the same moment all around the earth.

Kristin

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02003-03-16 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> --- alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Theodora Groothof wrote:
> > >
> > > >when I turned in an assay I had to write,
> >
> > Assay? We wrote essays.
>
> Unless she was reporting after weighing and checking
> the gold content of the subject...

Typical statement by a barbarian war supporter ... Enough.
This is the last thing I am going to say on this subject.

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Karen Kay wrote:

>  Lots of languages don't have word divisions at
> all, you know. I read that English has word divisions because
> Irish monks were were too stupid to understand written language
> without it. (Japanese has no word divisions.)

Yes, I thought it might have been the case with at least some Latin sources
as well.

Poor stupid(sic!) Irish monks!

> > Non
> > sequitur -- (it) cannot be/is not  concluded/deduced?

> It's literally 'does not follow'.

Thank you, gay Jeff -- note that I didn't say 'A gay'! Cannot one use it as a
nice adjective any more? :-(

But 'does not follow' was what I meant. Sometimes it is so difficult to
remember the most natural simple expression. Thanks

Kristin

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 1:45:51 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Why were you there? Were you househunting? forgive my
> mouse-brain.

How was Providence? Did you meet up with Wordslers?

Jeff

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 1:59:38 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>>  Lots of languages don't have word divisions at
>> all, you know. I read that English has word divisions because
>> Irish monks were were too stupid to understand written language
>> without it. (Japanese has no word divisions.)

> Yes, I thought it might have been the case with at least some Latin sources
> as well.

I thought only medieval latin had word divisions, but that's not
my <area>. I only remember looking it up once because some
students were balking at writing Japanese without word divisions.

Jeff

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > I don't know what Theo thinks, but I think it's bad to lump
> > different things in the same basket.
>
> You don't see any similarity at all between equinoxes and solstices?  I
> am likely mutant in this, but I see them as very much of a common
> basket.

I am happy that there is the same word for all of the four in Estonian.
Maybe astronomers sometimes use some specific words.

But I'm also happy that the sun rises so high already every day. And that
its daily journeys are longer and longer.

But, sorry, there are still over four days till the equinox comes, aren't
there. Do not tell me it comes earlier on the Western hemisphere!

Kristin

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We lost the stupid basketball game.
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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 2:11:34 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> But, sorry, there are still over four days till the equinox comes, aren't
> there. Do not tell me it comes earlier on the Western hemisphere!

Because of where Austin is located, it comes earlier.

Jeff

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Why were you there? Were you househunting?

Sort of househunting, mainly <feeling> the place.  Still am not sure
exactly what I felt in its essence.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Viewed and interviewed, measured and probed . .
> And hopefully declared physically fit

Yes, hopefully!

> I'll have my laptop with me.

That'll certainly make you more safe :)

Kristin

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Sorry, Natalie but it was close.

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02003-03-16 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > > I don't know what Theo thinks, but I think it's bad to lump
> > > different things in the same basket.
> >
> > You don't see any similarity at all between equinoxes and solstices?  I
> > am likely mutant in this, but I see them as very much of a common
> > basket.
>
> I am happy that there is the same word for all of the four in Estonian.
> Maybe astronomers sometimes use some specific words.

Most excellent ... what is it? I know it's not perestroika ha ha ha

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02003-03-16 | Rita "bitches got the pimp juice 2" Chapman writes:
>
>        You learned by families, ie. you learned a list like face,
> pace, race, then the next week pat, rat, fat.
>
>        It sounds like your children learned whole language (which is
> not what I was talking about), which most educators don't
> believe in it anymore.  Most kids do best with a combo of
> whole language and phonics.

I should add that knowing absolutely nothing about the pronunciation
of words (actually, knowing that you now nothing) helps tremendously
with spelling.

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 2:24:50 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> I should add that knowing absolutely nothing about the pronunciation
> of words (actually, knowing that you now nothing) helps tremendously
> with spelling.

You are a Now Nothing, Tushar! Hahahaha!!!

Jeff

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02003-03-16 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >  Lots of languages don't have word divisions at
> > all, you know. I read that English has word divisions because
> > Irish monks were were too stupid to understand written language
> > without it. (Japanese has no word divisions.)
>
> Yes, I thought it might have been the case with at least some Latin
> sources as well.
>
> Poor stupid(sic!) Irish monks!

I think the American educational system follows directly from
this stupid act. Discuss

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--- alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Theodora Groothof wrote:
> >
> > >when I turned in an assay I had to write,
>
> Assay? We wrote essays.
>
> alyce
>

Unless she was reporting after weighing and checking
the gold content of the subject...
clo

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02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, March 16, 2003, 2:24:50 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I should add that knowing absolutely nothing about the pronunciation
> > of words (actually, knowing that you now nothing) helps tremendously
> > with spelling.
>
> You are a Now Nothing, Tushar! Hahahaha!!!
>
> Jeff

Tell it to Akbar and stop wasting our time

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > I am happy that there is the same word for all of the four in Estonian.
> > Maybe astronomers sometimes use some specific words.
>
> Most excellent ... what is it? I know it's not perestroika ha ha ha

You-u, stupid boy!!!

Estonian and Russian are different languages, they even do not belong into the
same families.

Aamf, though I am on the verge of wrath I may tell you the word. It is
'pööripäev'. Now try to read it out loud.

Kristin

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In a message dated 3/16/2003 1:28:48 PM, clostran@YAHOO.COM writes:

<< > >when I turned in an assay I had to write,
>
> Assay? We wrote essays.
>
> alyce >>

Excuse me all to pieces, I made an error. Theo

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 2:25:26 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> I thought solstices and equinoxes (I cannot find any other plural for it, and
> dare not to experiment) take place at the same moment all around the earth.

The literal equinox (where days and nights are equal length)
takes place at different times. The date is just a date.

Jeff

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Betty wrote:
> >
> > You doing anything special, Natalie?
>
> My plans for tomorrow are to buy a candle, to watch MSU beat Kentucky on
> tv at noon, and to go to the 7 p.m. peace vigil.  If I find time, I will
> also put some pictures on the web and possibly transplant a zillion
> jonquils that I want to be elsewhere from where they are now.

Oh my! It is March 16! Happy Birthday, Natalie! Indeed!

What a row of exclamations it made(!)

Kristin

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 2:29:23 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Tell it to Akbar and stop wasting our time

Akbar is in Ontario. I miss him!

Jeff

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02003-03-16 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > I am happy that there is the same word for all of the four in Estonian.
> > > Maybe astronomers sometimes use some specific words.
> >
> > Most excellent ... what is it? I know it's not perestroika ha ha ha
>
> You-u, stupid boy!!!
>
> Estonian and Russian are different languages, they even do not belong into
> the same families.

Who'd have known? The people look exactly the same.

> Aamf, though I am on the verge of wrath I may tell you the word. It is
> 'pööripäev'. Now try to read it out loud.

I could get by just knowing the spelling... But--how is it
pronounced anyway?

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> But, sorry, there are still over four days till the equinox comes, aren't
> there. Do not tell me it comes earlier on the Western hemisphere!

It is 20 March, I think.

alyce

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 2:50:46 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> THat's *is*, and it turned out (once I looked at the
> conference info) to be Newport, not Providence.
> Another mouse-brain incident; it seems I got out of
> sunless Syracuse just in the nick of time!

Clearly.

> Not early enough, however, to connect with any
> wordslers yesterday. I am still hoping to catch up
> with some this evening or by sneaking out of the
> conference some day...

<sob!> I wanted to be your first!

> The hotel is right on water, and the sky is blue, and
> no one is keeping tabs on me or asking if I did X
> yet... I am loving it!

Cool. I like Newport a lot.

Karen

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--- Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> wrote:
> steph wrote:
>
> >  then I just lost all courage:
> > = what if I cannot utter a word... Silly me.
> > =
> > = Kristin
> >
> > I had a visitor once from Finland who is deaf.  So
> she carried
> > around a notebook and we talked that way.
>
> Sure we've managed in one way or another. Even if
> neither of us knows cued speech.
>
> Kristin

All right, what's the cued speech remark for? Pick a
thing even my mouse brain can respond to, and talk
about it when I'm not looking, go ahead...



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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:07:29 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:00:33 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>> > Germans and Englishmen and Finnish, Latvians and Norwegians look more or less the
>> > same, too. Yet the language spoken by one of the mentioned peoples is not even
>> > Indo-European, as is not ours.
>>
>> Finnish! It's close to Estonian, though, isn't it?

> You are a clever girl, Jeff ...

But I have a LOT of trouble making unaspirated initial stops. I'm
sure it's easier for you, Mr. Now Nothing!

Jeff

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > >And what could the "astrological equinox" be?
> >
> > Never heard of that. Only astronomical.
>
> People seem to be losing their sense of history left and right ...

Ok, ok. I'm sure astrologists are concerned with the equinox, too, in some way or
another. But I guess for their hocus-pocus they use the very same astronomical
calculations. If they calculated it before astronomy was developed, then it was an
early sign of modern science to be developed. Even Stonehenge people knew equinox,
as, I'm sure, even more primitive folks did as well.

Kristin, far from thinking that scientific knowledge is the only possible one, but
that was not the point here.

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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> Sunday, March 16, 2003, 1:45:51 PM, Carolyn
> Ostrander wrote:
> > Why were you there? Were you househunting? forgive
> my
> > mouse-brain.
>
> How was Providence? Did you meet up with Wordslers?
>
> Jeff
>
THat's *is*, and it turned out (once I looked at the
conference info) to be Newport, not Providence.
Another mouse-brain incident; it seems I got out of
sunless Syracuse just in the nick of time!

Not early enough, however, to connect with any
wordslers yesterday. I am still hoping to catch up
with some this evening or by sneaking out of the
conference some day...

The hotel is right on water, and the sky is blue, and
no one is keeping tabs on me or asking if I did X
yet... I am loving it!

But Kinko's is really expensive for email, took me a
long time to work out a workaround so that I could
post to the list... so I am going to be in withdrawal
for part of the time, I fear...

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Estonian and Russian are different languages, they even do not belong into
> > the same families.
>
> Who'd have known? The people look exactly the same.

Germans and Englishmen and Finnish, Latvians and Norwegians look more or less the
same, too. Yet the language spoken by one of the mentioned peoples is not even
Indo-European, as is not ours.

> > 'pööripäev'. Now try to read it out loud.
>
> I could get by just knowing the spelling... But--how is it
> pronounced anyway?

Our spelling is close to pronunciation. Long ö, diphthong äe, the stress on the
first syllable of the word, but as it is a compound word I won't mind if you put
a slight additional stress on the second part päev 'day', too.

Ok, does it help if I say also, that ö is like your schwa, only the lips are
actively rounded? ä is close to the vowel in English 'cat', more a back-vowel
than that. So you must utter a diphthong ä-sound+e-sound ('e' like that in
English 'fed', 'heck', 'check'). Do not aspirate 'p'-s. Do all this and you're
there.

Kristin

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:00:33 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Germans and Englishmen and Finnish, Latvians and Norwegians look more or less the
> same, too. Yet the language spoken by one of the mentioned peoples is not even
> Indo-European, as is not ours.

Finnish! It's close to Estonian, though, isn't it?

Jeff

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02003-03-16 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > Estonian and Russian are different languages, they even do not belong into
> > > the same families.
> >
> > Who'd have known? The people look exactly the same.
>
> Germans and Englishmen and Finnish, Latvians and Norwegians look more
> or less the same, too. Yet the language spoken by one of the mentioned
> peoples is not even Indo-European, as is not ours.

I'll make a note of this ...

> Our spelling is close to pronunciation. Long ö, diphthong äe, the stress
> on the first syllable of the word, but as it is a compound word I won't
> mind if you put a slight additional stress on the second part päev 'day',
> too.
>
> Ok, does it help if I say also, that ö is like your schwa, only the lips
> are actively rounded? ä is close to the vowel in English 'cat', more a
> back-vowel than that. So you must utter a diphthong ä-sound+e-sound ('e'
> like that in English 'fed', 'heck', 'check'). Do not aspirate 'p'-s. Do
> all this and you're there.

There's a long way to go ...

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:02:21 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> How can a definition which refers to a DAY AND A NIGHT have
> anything to do with a TIME? The "literal equinox" is a freakin'
> DAY ...

Right, yesterday.

> And what could the "astrological equinox" be? The exact
> moment when ... what? The center of the solar disc passes the
> equator? Yeah, that depends a lot where you're looking at it
> from ... after all you have 8000 miles' latitude ... Jeeze!

I don't know why you're bringing in astrology.

Jeff

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02003-03-16 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
>
> You-u, stupid boy!!!

I may add that this sounds a lot like an exclamation you might
hear from ... the staff of certain "ethnic" restaurants here ...

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02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:00:33 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > Germans and Englishmen and Finnish, Latvians and Norwegians look more or less the
> > same, too. Yet the language spoken by one of the mentioned peoples is not even
> > Indo-European, as is not ours.
>
> Finnish! It's close to Estonian, though, isn't it?

You are a clever girl, Jeff ...

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02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:02:21 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > How can a definition which refers to a DAY AND A NIGHT have
> > anything to do with a TIME? The "literal equinox" is a freakin'
> > DAY ...
>
> Right, yesterday.

Do not create unnecessary diversions, K-R-N.

> > And what could the "astrological equinox" be? The exact
> > moment when ... what? The center of the solar disc passes the
> > equator? Yeah, that depends a lot where you're looking at it
> > from ... after all you have 8000 miles' latitude ... Jeeze!
>
> I don't know why you're bringing in astrology.

They have their calculations tight.

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:39:36 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> >> Along with Japanese,
>> >> Hungarian, and Turkish.
>>
>> > Hungarian -- yes. The other two -- no.
>>
>> My bad. They are all Altaic.

> I must revise my knowledge of language families and sub-families as well
> (as well as the notions concerning the groups I've mentioned as
> sub-families here). But Hungarian is certainly a Finno-Ugric language,

Yes, it puts the 'Ugric' in Finno-Ugric.

> although it has had much of Turkish influence on it. But as to its
> structure, afaik, it belongs to the F-U family, I'm quite sure, even if
> there are different researches around.

F-U is included in Altaic.

To be honest, I often think that Finnish, Turkish, and Hungarian
are all the same language, they are so close sometimes.

Jeff

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02003-03-15 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 3/15/2003 8:14:24 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
> << I got his card yesterday. >>
>
> I can't send you a card, since I don't know your address, but happy day,
> anyway.

What an absurd excuse for deliberately hurtful behavior! Thank you.
Really, thanks a lot!

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02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:07:29 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:00:33 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> >> > Germans and Englishmen and Finnish, Latvians and Norwegians look
> >> > more or less the same, too. Yet the language spoken by one of the
> >> > mentioned peoples is not even Indo-European, as is not ours.
> >>
> >> Finnish! It's close to Estonian, though, isn't it?
>
> > You are a clever girl, Jeff ...
>
> But I have a LOT of trouble making unaspirated initial stops. I'm
> sure it's easier for you, Mr. Now Nothing!

That's OK, I have trouble with unbounded nonlinear optimism ...

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02003-03-16 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 3/16/2003 1:28:48 PM, clostran@YAHOO.COM writes:
>
> << > >when I turned in an assay I had to write,
> >
> > Assay? We wrote essays.
> >
> > alyce >>
>
> Excuse me all to pieces, I made an error. Theo

Somebody's getting REALLY Americanized ...

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alyce cresap wrote:

> > But, sorry, there are still over four days till the equinox comes, aren't
> > there.

> It is 20 March, I think.

Tushar:

>How can a definition which refers to a DAY AND A NIGHT have
>anything to do with a TIME?

The so to say 'peak' is computed exactly, according to specific positions of
certain heavenly bodies(can this be the right expression? I doubt, but cannot
find better one in the moment, used a dubious dictionary closest to me). In our
calendar it is at 3.00a.m. March 21. So, if it should be the same moment
everywhere... now, something is wrong -- then it'd be later on the Western
hemisphere, not earlier. /sigh/ I do not know.

>And what could the "astrological equinox" be?

Never heard of that. Only astronomical.

Kristin

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:12:04 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:07:29 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:00:33 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>> >> > Germans and Englishmen and Finnish, Latvians and Norwegians look
>> >> > more or less the same, too. Yet the language spoken by one of the
>> >> > mentioned peoples is not even Indo-European, as is not ours.
>> >>
>> >> Finnish! It's close to Estonian, though, isn't it?
>>
>> > You are a clever girl, Jeff ...
>>
>> But I have a LOT of trouble making unaspirated initial stops. I'm
>> sure it's easier for you, Mr. Now Nothing!

> That's OK, I have trouble with unbounded nonlinear optimism ...

Which is our trademark, Akbar (who has an almost canine
sensuality) and me.

Jeff

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02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Akbar (who has an almost canine sensuality)

Please, not this revolting stuff in mixed company!

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02003-03-16 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> >How can a definition which refers to a DAY AND A NIGHT have
> >anything to do with a TIME?
>
> The so to say 'peak' is computed exactly, according to specific positions of
> certain heavenly bodies(can this be the right expression? I doubt, but cannot
> find better one in the moment, used a dubious dictionary closest to me). In our
> calendar it is at 3.00a.m. March 21. So, if it should be the same moment
> everywhere... now, something is wrong -- then it'd be later on the Western
> hemisphere, not earlier. /sigh/ I do not know.

Perhaps K-R-N meant different local times. K-R-N can be uncannily
right at times ...

> >And what could the "astrological equinox" be?
>
> Never heard of that. Only astronomical.

People seem to be losing their sense of history left and right ...
I blame the American educational system.

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:16:20 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Akbar (who has an almost canine sensuality)

> Please, not this revolting stuff in mixed company!

:)

Jeff

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:00:33 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > Germans and Englishmen and Finnish, Latvians and Norwegians look more or less the
> > same, too. Yet the language spoken by one of the mentioned peoples is not even
> > Indo-European, as is not ours.
>
> Finnish! It's close to Estonian, though, isn't it?

Very. As close as some of Estonian dialects are to each other. Both are Fenno-Ugric
lgs.
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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:16:28 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Finnish! It's close to Estonian, though, isn't it?

> Very. As close as some of Estonian dialects are to each other.

I didn't realize they were *that* close. This explains a lot.

> Both are Fenno-Ugric lgs.

Finno-Ugric is how I've usually seen it. Along with Japanese,
Hungarian, and Turkish. (I used to be an historical linguist, a
long long time ago.)

Jeff

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Both are Fenno-Ugric lgs.
>
> Finno-Ugric is how I've usually seen it.

Yes, I wasn't sure. (So much of my knowledge of spelling:-)) It is
differently spelled in different languages.

> Along with Japanese,
> Hungarian, and Turkish.

Hungarian -- yes. The other two -- no.

Kristin

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > You-u, stupid boy!!!
>
> I may add that this sounds a lot like an exclamation you might
> hear from ... the staff of certain "ethnic" restaurants here ...

Am I not "ethnic" in this list?

Kristin

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> All right, what's the cued speech remark for? Pick a
> thing even my mouse brain can respond to, and talk
> about it when I'm not looking, go ahead...

:-)

I must confess it was your web page where I freshed my memory as to the
notion "cued speech".

Kristin

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:26:59 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > Both are Fenno-Ugric lgs.
>>
>> Finno-Ugric is how I've usually seen it.

> Yes, I wasn't sure. (So much of my knowledge of spelling:-)) It is
> differently spelled in different languages.

Yes.

>> Along with Japanese,
>> Hungarian, and Turkish.

> Hungarian -- yes. The other two -- no.

My bad. They are all Altaic.

Jeff

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> Along with Japanese,
> >> Hungarian, and Turkish.
>
> > Hungarian -- yes. The other two -- no.
>
> My bad. They are all Altaic.

I must revise my knowledge of language families and sub-families as well
(as well as the notions concerning the groups I've mentioned as
sub-families here). But Hungarian is certainly a Finno-Ugric language,
although it has had much of Turkish influence on it. But as to its
structure, afaik, it belongs to the F-U family, I'm quite sure, even if
there are different researches around.

Kristin

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02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, March 16, 2003, 2:25:26 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > I thought solstices and equinoxes (I cannot find any other plural for it, and
> > dare not to experiment) take place at the same moment all around the earth.
>
> The literal equinox (where days and nights are equal length)
> takes place at different times. The date is just a date.

How can a definition which refers to a DAY AND A NIGHT have
anything to do with a TIME? The "literal equinox" is a freakin'
DAY ... And what could the "astrological equinox" be? The exact
moment when ... what? The center of the solar disc passes the
equator? Yeah, that depends a lot where you're looking at it
from ... after all you have 8000 miles' latitude ... Jeeze!

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> Jethro Tull!

Jethro Bodean.

Tag, you're it.

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:45:20 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> It's late at night already and a busy week is on its way. I'll see
> whether I stay, and hardly read messages, or go nomail. But I won't
> decide today. Let's see.

Indeed! I love having you here, Kristin.

Jeff

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Karen:
>I made Bonnie promise not to talk about Catholicism.

Y'got a cork for that other one?

jeezopeet, I'm never that tiresome, am I?

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It's late at night already and a busy week is on its way. I'll see
whether I stay, and hardly read messages, or go nomail. But I won't
decide today. Let's see.

Kristin

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> about saying "flesh" instead of "body" re Communion.

I recall a really fascinating meditation on
comparative rates of decay and the possible
necessity of tabernacle refrigeration.

Whatever.  Happy Birthday, Nattybumpkins

Thanks to your dogassed Dawgs, I now have
to deal with those blue-faced yahoos.

KU won the last time the SEC tournament
was here, too.  I recall that sleepless
night vividly.

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On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Indeed! I love having you here, Kristin.

Me too, bring on more Ethnics.

Ann

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02003-03-16 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Indeed! I love having you here, Kristin.
>
> Me too, bring on more Ethnics.

Now I feel kind of bad making dumbass jokes about Estonian
being pretty much the same as Russian ...

Stupid Boy

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>02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Sunday, March 16, 2003, 2:25:26 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>> > I thought solstices and equinoxes (I cannot find any other plural for it, and
>> > dare not to experiment) take place at the same moment all around the earth.
>>
>> The literal equinox (where days and nights are equal length)
>> takes place at different times. The date is just a date.
>
>How can a definition which refers to a DAY AND A NIGHT have
>anything to do with a TIME? The "literal equinox" is a freakin'
>DAY ... And what could the "astrological equinox" be? The exact
>moment when ... what? The center of the solar disc passes the
>equator? Yeah, that depends a lot where you're looking at it
>from ... after all you have 8000 miles' latitude ... Jeeze!

Yeabut if you take a compass out at sunset on the equinox, sunset
well bear 270 true, from anywhere.

/Jim

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At 03:58 PM 3/16/2003 -0600, Gerald \"Little Milton\" Bostock wrote:
>Karen:
> >I made Bonnie promise not to talk about Catholicism.
>
>Y'got a cork for that other one?
>
>jeezopeet, I'm never that tiresome, am I?

You may be many things, Richard, but tiresome, you're not.  As to the
"other one," there are few things as tiresome as an ex-drunk who has found
religion.

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> My bad. They are all Altaic.
>
> > I must revise my knowledge of language families and sub-families as well
>
> Yes, it puts the 'Ugric' in Finno-Ugric.

Oh.

>  I'm quite sure, even if
> > there are different researches around.
>
> F-U is included in Altaic.

Uh-huh! -- while my irony is all cast on myself. As I said, I must
mostmostmost definitely revise it.

> To be honest, I often think that Finnish, Turkish, and Hungarian
> are all the same language, they are so close sometimes.

:) This makes me laugh but certainly NOT at you. If I could ever understand a
Turkish word without preliminary knowledge!

Kristin

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On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Jeff aka Karen Kay wrote:

>What is a suffrage?

Generally, a prayer. In the Anglican tradition, they are often read
antiphonally, the officiant beginning and the people responding. Set A for
Morning Prayer Rite II in the BCP begins:

V. Show us your mercy, O Lord;
R. And grant us your salvation.

etc.

Bethany

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02003-03-16 | Jim Bradley <jimb@URIACC.URI.EDU> writes:
> >02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Sunday, March 16, 2003, 2:25:26 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> >> > I thought solstices and equinoxes (I cannot find any other plural for it, and
> >> > dare not to experiment) take place at the same moment all around the earth.
> >>
> >> The literal equinox (where days and nights are equal length)
> >> takes place at different times. The date is just a date.
> >
> >How can a definition which refers to a DAY AND A NIGHT have
> >anything to do with a TIME? The "literal equinox" is a freakin'
> >DAY ... And what could the "astrological equinox" be? The exact
> >moment when ... what? The center of the solar disc passes the
> >equator? Yeah, that depends a lot where you're looking at it
> >from ... after all you have 8000 miles' latitude ... Jeeze!
>
> Yeabut if you take a compass out at sunset on the equinox, sunset
> well bear 270 true, from anywhere.

Ha ha ha ... don't take it seriously, it was a K-R-N flame, which
is for entertainment value.

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02003-03-16 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> You may be many things, Richard, but tiresome, you're not.  As to the
> "other one," there are few things as tiresome as an ex-drunk who has
> found religion.

But man, those few are MAGNIFIQUE ...

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:58:55 PM, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:
> Karen:
>>I made Bonnie promise not to talk about Catholicism.

> Y'got a cork for that other one?

Sorry, no.

> jeezopeet, I'm never that tiresome, am I?

No. Not unless someone specifically requests it.

Jeff

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 4:24:30 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Jeff aka Karen Kay wrote:
>>What is a suffrage?

> Generally, a prayer. In the Anglican tradition, they are often read
> antiphonally, the officiant beginning and the people responding. Set A for
> Morning Prayer Rite II in the BCP begins:

> V. Show us your mercy, O Lord;
> R. And grant us your salvation.

> etc.

Okay, they are called something else in Catholicism.

But I forget what at the moment.

Jeff

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Oh my! It is March 16! Happy Birthday, Natalie! Indeed!

Thank you!  I just transplanted a bunch of jonquils, which may well die
since I did it quite sloppily, but that's ok.  I'm just happy to have
them moved so that grass-cutting will be easier.  I'm only half finished
with the job -- will do the rest next weekend probably.  But half
finished is better than not started.  Now I'm about to go wash the caked
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Cool. I like Newport a lot.

Does Don Thornton still live there?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Very. As close as some of Estonian dialects are to each other.
>
> I didn't realize they were *that* close. This explains a lot.

What does it explain?

> > Both are Fenno-Ugric lgs.
>
> Finno-Ugric is how I've usually seen it. Along with Japanese,
> Hungarian, and Turkish. (I used to be an historical linguist, a
> long long time ago.)

Hungarian I was aware of, but Japanese and Turkish??  I was not aware of
that at all.

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OK ... a movie which combines an elaborate traditional wedding
and a girl who has her own plans ... wow, these are the exact
two premises never used in any Bombay movie in the last ten
years! Sheeeeit ... As for the tired old "acting is delightful"
excuse--spare me.

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 5:12:54 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > Very. As close as some of Estonian dialects are to each other.
>>
>> I didn't realize they were *that* close. This explains a lot.

> What does it explain?

A lot of what I know about Finns and Estonians.

Jeff

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 5:14:47 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> OK ... a movie which combines an elaborate traditional wedding
> and a girl who has her own plans ... wow, these are the exact
> two premises never used in any Bombay movie in the last ten
> years! Sheeeeit ... As for the tired old "acting is delightful"
> excuse--spare me.

You weren't delighted? I'm sorry.

Jeff

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Natalie, here are the girls from the puppymill auction:

http://www.etext.org/~rita/irishrescue.html

They're in *remarkably* good shape for auction dogs --
they're a much different story than the 6 I got a couple of
years ago.

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Gerald \"Little Milton\" Bostock wrote:

> Thanks to your dogassed Dawgs, I now have
> to deal with those blue-faced yahoos.

They did indeed look pretty dogassed in the parts of today's game I
saw.  They looked much, much better yesterday.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > What does it explain?
>
> A lot of what I know about Finns and Estonians.

And perhaps it explains how easily Finns make beer buys in Estonia.  I
think I mentioned the enormous amount of Estonian beer rolling onto the
ferry back to Helsinki.

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At 05:14 PM 3/16/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>OK ... a movie which combines an elaborate traditional wedding
>and a girl who has her own plans ... wow, these are the exact
>two premises never used in any Bombay movie in the last ten
>years! Sheeeeit ... As for the tired old "acting is delightful"
>excuse--spare me.

What is your favorite movie, Tushar?

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Natalie, here are the girls from the puppymill auction:
>
> http://www.etext.org/~rita/irishrescue.html

Cute pictures!  They seem to be settling in happily.

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At 05:18 PM 3/16/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Natalie, here are the girls from the puppymill auction:
>
>http://www.etext.org/~rita/irishrescue.html
>
>They're in *remarkably* good shape for auction dogs --
>they're a much different story than the 6 I got a couple of
>years ago.

Those are *puppies*?

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> At 05:18 PM 3/16/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>
>> Natalie, here are the girls from the puppymill auction:
>>
>> http://www.etext.org/~rita/irishrescue.html
>>
>> They're in *remarkably* good shape for auction dogs --
>> they're a much different story than the 6 I got a couple of
>> years ago.
>
>
> Those are *puppies*?


        Not really.  Belle is 7, and I'm not sure how old Cinderella
is.  Cinderella is a puppy, though -- not much over a year
(Irish take about 2 years to mature).

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02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, March 16, 2003, 5:14:47 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > OK ... a movie which combines an elaborate traditional wedding
> > and a girl who has her own plans ... wow, these are the exact
> > two premises never used in any Bombay movie in the last ten
> > years! Sheeeeit ... As for the tired old "acting is delightful"
> > excuse--spare me.
>
> You weren't delighted? I'm sorry.

I haven't watched it, I just coincidentally saw Ebert and whatsname
discuss it. Yeah, it's probably a delightful movie ... to people
whose vocabulary contains the word "delightful".

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At 05:28 PM 3/16/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>02003-03-16 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >
> > What is your favorite movie, Tushar?
>
>ARE YOU COMING ON TO ME?

You? You artless bit-fowling giglet?

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At 05:34 PM 3/16/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
>>At 05:18 PM 3/16/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>>>Natalie, here are the girls from the puppymill auction:
>>>
>>>http://www.etext.org/~rita/irishrescue.html
>>>
>>>They're in *remarkably* good shape for auction dogs --
>>>they're a much different story than the 6 I got a couple of
>>>years ago.
>>
>>
>>Those are *puppies*?
>
>
>        Not really.  Belle is 7, and I'm not sure how old Cinderella
>is.  Cinderella is a puppy, though -- not much over a year
>(Irish take about 2 years to mature).


I want Cinderella. Do you really call her that?

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Betty wrote:

> At 05:34 PM 3/16/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> Betty wrote:
>>
>>> At 05:18 PM 3/16/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Natalie, here are the girls from the puppymill auction:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.etext.org/~rita/irishrescue.html
>>>>
>>>> They're in *remarkably* good shape for auction dogs --
>>>> they're a much different story than the 6 I got a couple of
>>>> years ago.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Those are *puppies*?
>>
>>
>>
>>        Not really.  Belle is 7, and I'm not sure how old Cinderella
>> is.  Cinderella is a puppy, though -- not much over a year
>> (Irish take about 2 years to mature).
>
>
>
> I want Cinderella. Do you really call her that?


        That's the name she came with, believe it or not.  Ana liked
it.  You can have her if you want her.  She's a doll-baby.

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02003-03-16 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
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> What is your favorite movie, Tushar?

ARE YOU COMING ON TO ME?

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 5:18:59 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> They're in *remarkably* good shape for auction dogs --
> they're a much different story than the 6 I got a couple of
> years ago.

They're pretty!

So, what is a puppy mill auction?

Jeff

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 5:28:16 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Yeah, it's probably a delightful movie ... to people
> whose vocabulary contains the word "delightful".

Akbar thinks I'm delightful.:)

Jeff

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http://vigilpics.moveon.org/images/index.html

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 6:28:08 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> http://vigilpics.moveon.org/images/index.html

We talked about this this morning, and it turns out that there
are 6 of them in Austin! In the end, it was recommended that
people just stand out in front of their house with their
neighbors....

Jeff

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Is a great flavor. (Yes, this is two days in a row; I'm
definitely going to die.)

Karen

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02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, March 16, 2003, 5:28:16 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Yeah, it's probably a delightful movie ... to people
> > whose vocabulary contains the word "delightful".
>
> Akbar thinks I'm delightful.:)

Good for Akbar. Could you give me a more specific reason
to see the movie in the subject ... I mean the idea I
got from Ebert was that it was not much more than average
schmalz (he was raving of course) ... and you can take
it from me that I am not a fan of those "wedding" movies
even slightly. I think that genre is in parody phase by
now in Bombay.

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 6:35:02 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Could you give me a more specific reason
> to see the movie in the subject ...

Because I think you need to see cute little girls playing soccer,
for some reason. I'm strongly convinced of this.

I haven't even seen scenes of it, so I probably should stop
pushing it now.

Jeff

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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:58:32 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: new puppies
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, March 16, 2003, 5:18:59 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>They're in *remarkably* good shape for auction dogs --
>>they're a much different story than the 6 I got a couple of
>>years ago.
>>
>
> They're pretty!
>
> So, what is a puppy mill auction?


        Auctions where commercial breeders auction off breeding
stock.  Here's a good description:
http://www.ilmorescue.org/Dog%20Auction.htm

I don't go to them.  Cecily (who is *tough* broad) does
that.  It can get ugly for rescuers at some auctions, but in
general the commercial breeders know they're there.

        She's seen some horrible stuff -- she told me a story one
time about a poor little blind bitch who couldn't stand up
that she almost got for $10 until the auctioneer announced
she was in whelp and it went up to several hundred.

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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:04:38 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: new puppies
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Natalie, here are the girls from the puppymill auction:
>>
>>http://www.etext.org/~rita/irishrescue.html
>>
>
> Cute pictures!  They seem to be settling in happily.
>


        Belle hasn't left my side since I picked her up at Cecily's.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, March 16, 2003, 6:58:32 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>>So, what is a puppy mill auction?
>>>
>
>>        Auctions where commercial breeders auction off breeding
>>stock.  Here's a good description:
>>http://www.ilmorescue.org/Dog%20Auction.htm
>>
>
> Fuck.


        Yep.  Probably the same auction these girls came from by the
description.







>>        She's seen some horrible stuff -- she told me a story one
>>time about a poor little blind bitch who couldn't stand up
>>that she almost got for $10 until the auctioneer announced
>>she was in whelp and it went up to several hundred.
>>
>
> Excuse me while I go throw up.
>
> I know who I want to nuke.


        They're regulated by the Dept. of Agriculture.  This is where
pet store puppies originate.  Now you know why I was so
angry when my sister bought that puppy from a puppymill for
my dad.

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 6:58:32 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> So, what is a puppy mill auction?

>         Auctions where commercial breeders auction off breeding
> stock.  Here's a good description:
> http://www.ilmorescue.org/Dog%20Auction.htm

Fuck.

>         She's seen some horrible stuff -- she told me a story one
> time about a poor little blind bitch who couldn't stand up
> that she almost got for $10 until the auctioneer announced
> she was in whelp and it went up to several hundred.

Excuse me while I go throw up.

I know who I want to nuke.

Jeff

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 7:23:22 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         They're regulated by the Dept. of Agriculture.  This is where
> pet store puppies originate.  Now you know why I was so
> angry when my sister bought that puppy from a puppymill for
> my dad.

I know.

I mean, I know what puppy mills *are*--I just didn't realize that
they sold dogs to each other in an organized way. Just knowing
what puppy mills are, I'd never buy a dog from a puppy mill. But
these auctions are totally disgusting. I'm glad that rescue
people go to them.

Jeff

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> These aren't very exciting pictures, but here they are anyway:
>
> http://www.msstate.edu./Archives/Words-L/Mar03/

Nice that both Jews *and* Gentiles are welcome at the House Of Worship. I
take it that's not the normal situation at these types of places?

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:11:53 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, March 16, 2003, 7:23:22 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        They're regulated by the Dept. of Agriculture.  This is where
>>pet store puppies originate.  Now you know why I was so
>>angry when my sister bought that puppy from a puppymill for
>>my dad.
>>
>
> I know.
>
> I mean, I know what puppy mills *are*--I just didn't realize that
> they sold dogs to each other in an organized way. Just knowing
> what puppy mills are, I'd never buy a dog from a puppy mill. But
> these auctions are totally disgusting. I'm glad that rescue
> people go to them.


        Oh, it's a huge industry.  The puppy farmers aren't all that
bright, but they do know they need to outcross their lines.
  There is also a very strange veneer of Christianity at
these things. The brokers, who act as the go-between between
the stores and farmers,  are multi-million dollar
corporations.  Alyce will not be surprised to note that when
they transport these poor puppies, the trucks often meet the
brokers, etc. at Walmarts.

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From: "Betty" <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
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> Sorry, Natalie but it was close.

I will hold my tongue for a while about UKy's fortunes, but I
will say that Betty's Bears and Natalie's Maroons could meet in
the East.  I will hold all predictions until Clyde weighs in.
MSU was impressive in today's loss: I could teach Natalie some
things about fanhood.  Daddy hollered at me, with 4 seconds left
and UKy ahead by 7, "Son, we could win this one."

I love it.

brad  P.S. The telecasters said today when the Maroons became the
Bulldogs; it was sometime in the 60s, but I couldn't catch it.

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On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>  There is also a very strange veneer of Christianity at
>these things. The brokers, who act as the go-between between
>the stores and farmers,  are multi-million dollar
>corporations.  Alyce will not be surprised to note that when
>they transport these poor puppies, the trucks often meet the
>brokers, etc. at Walmarts.

? How is that a veneer of Xity?

Bethany

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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:49:56 -0600
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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> > http://www.msstate.edu./Archives/Words-L/Mar03/
>
> Nice that both Jews *and* Gentiles are welcome at the House Of Worship. I
> take it that's not the normal situation at these types of places?

I don't think there are many of "these types of places."  The truth is
that I didn't just stumble upon that place.  I had bought a book a while
back called _Off the Beaten Path in Mississippi_ and had read about it.
The book mentioned the "Jews and Gentiles" sign.  The book also said
that if you go in, you get to listen to interesting preaching, but I'm
not sure it was open for business when I went by and took the picture.
That was about 7 a.m.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>> Alyce will not be surprised to note that when
>>they transport these poor puppies, the trucks often meet the
>>brokers, etc. at Walmarts.
>>
>
> With Wmart's blessing?  If not, I wouldn't implicate Wmart.  That's the
> kind of place that's an easy rendezvous point for people from other
> towns.  In fact, it's the kind of place I met the next-leg person when I
> transported some spitzes on a rescue run from New Orleans to Ohio a few
> years ago.


        Yes.  These are semi-trailers with dozens and dozens of
puppies packed in them, not little old ladies in station
wagons.  Walmart and Hunte Corp. have an agreement.


> I'm not sure about nationally, but our local Wmart is very much
> supportive of the OCHS (Oktibbeha County Humane Society).  They help us
> in many ways, from outright money to letting us set up tables inside the
> store to all kinds of things.
>


        One must never confuse profit and public relations.

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 8:11:53 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>   There is also a very strange veneer of Christianity at
> these things.

Yes, I understand that.

Jeff

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At 05:45 PM 3/16/2003 -0500, bogris01 wrote:
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>
>
> > Sorry, Natalie but it was close.
>
>I will hold my tongue for a while about UKy's fortunes, but I
>will say that Betty's Bears and Natalie's Maroons could meet in
>the East.


We're injured.

Betty

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> The hotel is right on water, and the sky is blue, and
> no one is keeping tabs on me or asking if I did X
> yet... I am loving it!

Which one? I've been to corporate conventions at the Marriott...it's nice.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>> There is also a very strange veneer of Christianity at
>>these things. The brokers, who act as the go-between between
>>the stores and farmers,  are multi-million dollar
>>corporations.  Alyce will not be surprised to note that when
>>they transport these poor puppies, the trucks often meet the
>>brokers, etc. at Walmarts.
>>
>
> ? How is that a veneer of Xity?
>


        Is Xity where Xena comes from?

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bogris01 wrote:

> MSU was impressive in today's loss: I could teach Natalie some
> things about fanhood.  Daddy hollered at me, with 4 seconds left
> and UKy ahead by 7, "Son, we could win this one."

I didn't think we were impressive at all today.  Did you see our game
yesterday?  We seemed on fire as we stomped LSU.  Today we seemed
lethargic.  Mario seemed clumsy as a post (haha), Timmy Bowers wasn't
doing those impressive 3-pointers, even Derek Zimmerman wasn't his usual
hustling self.  This was certainly not our only unimpressive game of the
season, of course.  Losing to Arkansas??  That was rock bottom.  But
today was certainly not as good as yesterday.  Also, I keep seeing names
like Oklahoma and Xavier bandied about as good teams, both of which
creampuffs we beat easily back during creampuff season.

> brad  P.S. The telecasters said today when the Maroons became the
> Bulldogs; it was sometime in the 60s, but I couldn't catch it.

It's a dumb name.  The only reason I'm glad we're not something like the
Snakes is that I do like watching Bully on tv when he's present.  I
wouldn't want to watch a snake (or a gator for that matter).

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 05:45 PM 3/16/2003 -0500, bogris01 wrote:

>I will hold my tongue for a while about UKy's fortunes, but I
>will say that Betty's Bears and Natalie's Maroons could meet in
>the East.

Unless I misinterpret the bracket, for that to happen, Cal must beat NC
State and Oklahoma and Sherrill U. must beat Louisville---both tall orders.

>MSU was impressive in today's loss:

Losses are losses.  MSU, like NC State, had a lead and couldn't hold
it--and in both cases, the teams they lost to really didn't have to win;
their places in the NCAA were pretty much locked in.

Kentucky--Pitt could be a really good game---if Pitt gets that far (I think
they have a tougher draw than does Kentucky).  Looks to me like the West is
the toughest region---I wonder if Arizona can stay healthy enough to make
it through.

Kentucky still looks like a good bet.  Tubby has them playing the sort of
intelligent defense that can carry a team a long way.  Again, any so-called
Kentucky fan who doesn't like Tubby is in serious need of therapy.

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:

> We talked about this this morning, and it turns out that there
> are 6 of them in Austin! In the end, it was recommended that
> people just stand out in front of their house with their
> neighbors....

It makes sense to me that cities would have multiple ones.  I was
impressed at the turnout at ours since I don't think there had been very
much publicity.  As usual, I can't judge numbers, but it was certainly
respectable.  People had candles in all kinds of holders.  I used one of
the paper cups provided, which worked fine.  As with the previous
rallies, we had a wide variety of ages, appearances, etc.

--
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At 08:34 PM 3/16/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        Is Xity where Xena comes from?

Well, it's all mythological...

cwv

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>  Alyce will not be surprised to note that when
> they transport these poor puppies, the trucks often meet the
> brokers, etc. at Walmarts.

With Wmart's blessing?  If not, I wouldn't implicate Wmart.  That's the
kind of place that's an easy rendezvous point for people from other
towns.  In fact, it's the kind of place I met the next-leg person when I
transported some spitzes on a rescue run from New Orleans to Ohio a few
years ago.

I'm not sure about nationally, but our local Wmart is very much
supportive of the OCHS (Oktibbeha County Humane Society).  They help us
in many ways, from outright money to letting us set up tables inside the
store to all kinds of things.

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>         Is Xity where Xena comes from?

No, she's from Amphipolis.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com
who watched that show WAY too much

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clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> At 08:34 PM 3/16/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        Is Xity where Xena comes from?
>
>
> Well, it's all mythological...
>


        True.

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:57:17 PM, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:
>> Jethro Tull!

> Jethro Bodean.

> Tag, you're it.

Homer and.

Jeff

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:50:21 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> :) This makes me laugh but certainly NOT at you. If I could ever understand a
> Turkish word without preliminary knowledge!

Kebab?

Actually, I went with Ligniere to visit a couple of his Turkish
friends earlier in the week, and I was impressed that one of
their names perfectly illustrated Turkish vowel harmony. But I
was so busy listening to the vowels, I have no idea what his name
is! Luckily there won't be a test.

Jeff

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At 09:23 PM 3/16/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:50:21 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > :) This makes me laugh but certainly NOT at you. If I could ever
> understand a
> > Turkish word without preliminary knowledge!
>
>Kebab?
>
>Actually, I went with Ligniere to visit a couple of his Turkish
>friends earlier in the week, and I was impressed that one of
>their names perfectly illustrated Turkish vowel harmony. But I
>was so busy listening to the vowels, I have no idea what his name
>is! Luckily there won't be a test.
>
>Jeff

Praise the goddess.

Mutt

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Have you ever used this on a salad?

Karen

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These billboards are really good ones.

http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2003-03-07/pols_naked14.html

Karen
"I am, we are,
Who can distinguish us?"
 --Deena Metzger

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 9:38:33 PM, Betty wrote:
> Praise the goddess.

> Mutt

Bucking to be our quadruplet?!

Jeff

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At 09:35 PM 3/16/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Have you ever used this on a salad?
>
>Karen

Who is Karen?

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At 09:39 PM 3/16/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Sunday, March 16, 2003, 9:38:33 PM, Betty wrote:
> > Praise the goddess.
>
> > Mutt
>
>Bucking to be our quadruplet?!

No actually I find your "Jeff" pretty annoying and stupid.  Aren't you
getting enough attention?

Betty

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Sunday, March 16, 2003, 10:05:23 PM, Betty wrote:
> Aren't you getting enough attention?

No; Akbar won't be back till Tuesday night, Ligniere is being
weirder than usual, and Nameless is getting ready to go to Costa
Rica. My life is so sad! No one loves me!!!!

Jeff

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At 10:04 PM 3/16/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Sunday, March 16, 2003, 10:05:23 PM, Betty wrote:
> > Aren't you getting enough attention?
>
>No; Akbar won't be back till Tuesday night, Ligniere is being
>weirder than usual, and Nameless is getting ready to go to Costa
>Rica. My life is so sad! No one loves me!!!!
>
>Jeff

What you chose to cut says it all.

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Carolyn Ostrander:
= --- Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> wrote:
= > steph wrote:
= >
= > >  then I just lost all courage:
= > > = what if I cannot utter a word... Silly me.
= > > =
= > > = Kristin
= > >
= > > I had a visitor once from Finland who is deaf.  So
= > she carried
= > > around a notebook and we talked that way.
= >
= > Sure we've managed in one way or another. Even if
= > neither of us knows cued speech.
= >
= > Kristin
=
= All right, what's the cued speech remark for? Pick a
= thing even my mouse brain can respond to, and talk
= about it when I'm not looking, go ahead...
=
=

It was beyond me.  That's all I have to say.

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-03-16 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
= > In a message dated 3/16/2003 1:28:48 PM, clostran@YAHOO.COM writes:
= >
= > << > >when I turned in an assay I had to write,
= > >
= > > Assay? We wrote essays.
= > >
= > > alyce >>
= >
= > Excuse me all to pieces, I made an error. Theo
=
= Somebody's getting REALLY Americanized ...

Well, you'd think so, after all these years.  Didn't take you
long though, did it, MR. NOW.

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=
= People seem to be losing their sense of history left and right ...
= I blame the American educational system.

I blame Jay-Z.

(I heard a song with pimp juice in the lyrics.  Oh, I am so with
it, I could be 14 again! NOT)

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18:09 15.03.2003 -0500 skrev clyde w. voigtlander:
>At 04:32 PM 3/15/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>       Do you perceive that as a cover-up?
>
>To the contrary.  The cover-up is when someone says that it is a trivial
>thing, or that e-mail is "different," or that they are too busy with their
>great thoughts to be concerned with it.
>
>Good spelling is not trivial, nor given the complexity of the English
>language, all that easy.  People differ considerably in their ability to
>handle certain things.  Hell, spelling has always been easy for me; math
>has been a chore.  However, if I make a math error, I don't blow if off as
>something beneath my notice.  Nor do I blame it on "keyboarding."

I have never learned to type, but I have become a fairly quick non-touch-type typer with a combination of 3-4 fingers and partly looking, partly knowing where the keys are. This means that when I am typing fast, and when my thoughts are flowing and I try to catch up, there are lots of typing errors opposed to what I when i write with a pen on paper. For me these are errors whch come from keyboarding. The fact that they are also send out to this lits (and to ther others with other texts) shows that I am also lazy and don't take time to proofread before I push the "Send"-key.

Espen

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Or now, yesterday: HB from me!

Espen

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Espen Ore wrote:
>
> Or now, yesterday: HB from me!

Thank you.  At least the war didn't start on my bday.  I'm mightily
depressed at the thought of today, though.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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20:23 15.03.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>       Isn't Lent a Catholic/Episcopalian/Lutheran/Orthodox thing?
>>>I didn't think most denominations recognized the Lenten season.
>>
>>It's observed by some Methodists.  After all, John Wesley was an
>>Anglican until death.
>>
>>Re Lutherans and Orthodoxians, I found the Lutheran cemetery in Smith
>>County, MS, and took a picture of my gg-grandfather's grave there.  And
>>I thought of you, Rita, when roaming around in Vicksburg and passing a
>>pretty Orthodox Church.
>
>
>       I want my cousin to take a picture of the Rouvalis Orthodox
>Church in Achaia and send it to me.

Is Rouvalis a common name? There is a Vassilis Rouvalis who is working on web-pages (or a book?) on castles on the Peloponnese.

Espen

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21:22 15.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>Saturday, March 15, 2003, 9:15:45 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> You don't see any similarity at all between equinoxes and solstices?  I
>> am likely mutant in this, but I see them as very much of a common
>> basket.
>
>The equinoxes are alike because of course the days and nights
>are the same length. The spring one makes me happy, the fall one
>makes me sad. The solstices are different; they are the PEAK of
>summer or PEAK of winter.

Yes, so from the winter solstice the days are getting longer, and from the summer solstice things are getting darker again.

Espen

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Espen Ore wrote:

> 20:23 15.03.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
>
>>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>      Isn't Lent a Catholic/Episcopalian/Lutheran/Orthodox thing?
>>>>I didn't think most denominations recognized the Lenten season.
>>>>
>>>It's observed by some Methodists.  After all, John Wesley was an
>>>Anglican until death.
>>>
>>>Re Lutherans and Orthodoxians, I found the Lutheran cemetery in Smith
>>>County, MS, and took a picture of my gg-grandfather's grave there.  And
>>>I thought of you, Rita, when roaming around in Vicksburg and passing a
>>>pretty Orthodox Church.
>>>
>>
>>      I want my cousin to take a picture of the Rouvalis Orthodox
>>Church in Achaia and send it to me.
>>
>
> Is Rouvalis a common name? There is a Vassilis Rouvalis who is working on web-pages (or a book?) on castles on the Peloponnese.
>


No, it isn't a common name.  We're all related.  Vassilis is
my cousin.  The book is finished -- I think it is in Greek
and German.  The web page has been languishing for quite
some time.

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13:40 16.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>Sunday, March 16, 2003, 1:31:59 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>> When it comes to nitpicking, shouldn't it be written as two words?
>
>Usually it is. But we divide it into words because we are native
>English speakers. Lots of languages don't have word divisions at
>all, you know. I read that English has word divisions because
>Irish monks were were too stupid to understand written language
>without it. (Japanese has no word divisions.)

Word divisions were used pretty early in Latin, even in the oldest Latin papyry - as opposed to the (Classical) Greek tradition.

Espen

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15:06 16.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:02:21 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> How can a definition which refers to a DAY AND A NIGHT have
>> anything to do with a TIME? The "literal equinox" is a freakin'
>> DAY ...
>
>Right, yesterday.

I thought Austin was on the surface of the earth but it seems now that it is floating somewhere in space.

Espen

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15:23 16.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:16:28 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>> Karen Kay wrote:
>>> Finnish! It's close to Estonian, though, isn't it?
>
>> Very. As close as some of Estonian dialects are to each other.
>
>I didn't realize they were *that* close. This explains a lot.
>
>> Both are Fenno-Ugric lgs.
>
>Finno-Ugric is how I've usually seen it. Along with Japanese,
>Hungarian, and Turkish. (I used to be an historical linguist, a
>long long time ago.)

Along with Japanese and Turkish????????

Espen

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06:13 17.03.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
>Espen Ore wrote:
>>
>>Is Rouvalis a common name? There is a Vassilis Rouvalis who is working on web-pages (or a book?) on castles on the Peloponnese.
>
>
>No, it isn't a common name.  We're all related.  Vassilis is
>my cousin.  The book is finished -- I think it is in Greek
>and German.  The web page has been languishing for quite
>some time.

I may try to find it in Athens later this year. Last year we visited some of the Venetian castles (Koroni and Mothoni) and every time I have been to the Peloponnese I have seen the "frankish" ruins. Last year we stopped for a short time in Karitena and were impressed by both the town and the castle - this is where Kolokotronis held out I believe.

Espen

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 6:11:44 AM, Espen Ore wrote:
> Yes, so from the winter solstice the days are getting longer,
> and from the summer solstice things are getting darker again.

And that's why I love the winter solstice, hate the summer one.

Jeff

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>-----Original Message-----
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>Sunday, March 16, 2003, 10:00:01 AM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>> Theo needs to learn to read how to read.
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>Alec! What are you doing here on a Sunday?
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>Karen
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Checking email from home. Need to put my three cents in the discussion.


alec

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>> No, you didn't screw up.  The December one is a solstice.  But I lump
>> solstices and equinoxes together as a <group> -- which I bet Theo thinks
>> is bad and is a result of my inferior US education.
>
>I don't know what Theo thinks, but I think it's bad to lump
>different things in the same basket.
>
>Jeff

The very concept of "lumping" implies that one is lumping different things.
It's all a matter of how granular one wants to be.  Oranges and apples are
different things, but they can be lumped together as fruit.  And of course
one can carry this down as well as up the hierarchy: Fujis and Galas are
different things, but they can be lumped together as apples.

Ken Miller
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Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:44:30 AM, Bookrat wrote:
> Ken Miller
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Thank you for the new word, Boo.

Jeff

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I did someone a favor, kind person that I am, and they rewarded
me with a betta. Obviously, I can't stick this in with the other
fish. So, what do I do with it?

I looked on the web, and came across the idea of putting a beta
in with a plant, and that sort of appeals to me. Has anyone done
this or seen it done? Did you think this was cool, or did it look
weird.

I'm thinking of Lucky Bamboo for the plant.

Karen

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On Saturday, March 15, 2003 at 23:57, Doris Markland wrote:

> I'm on the road in the morning . .
> Will be at Mayo's probably all week . .
> Where I will be thoroughly gone over . .
> Run through the Xray and the boob crusher . .
> Viewed and interviewed, measured and probed . .
> And hopefully declared physically fit
> And once again, a perfect AH . .
> After certain invasive procedures.

Might I ask what (roughly) a week of such investigations at the Mayo
costs?

Tony H.

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Betty wrote:
> No actually I find your "Jeff" pretty annoying and stupid.

I am very annoyed by it because every time I see it I think it is my
Jeff and then I have to do a double take and go back to be sure it is
not he. So cut it out, now.

alyce

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 10:16:53 AM, alyce cresap wrote:

> Betty wrote:
>> No actually I find your "Jeff" pretty annoying and stupid.

> I am very annoyed by it because every time I see it I think it is my
> Jeff and then I have to do a double take and go back to be sure it is
> not he. So cut it out, now.

> alyce

<pout>

Yes, ma'am!

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There are some Uzbekistani musicians playing live on KUT
(http://www.kut.org). If you like percussion, you should listen.

Karen

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> There are some Uzbekistani musicians playing live on KUT

Fun Fact: According to some, Mohammed al-Khowarizmi
(you know, he wrote Kitab al jabr w'al-muqabala) was
from (what is now) Khiva, Uzbekistan.

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 11:14:05 AM, Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock wrote:
>> There are some Uzbekistani musicians playing live on KUT

> Fun Fact: According to some, Mohammed al-Khowarizmi
> (you know, he wrote Kitab al jabr w'al-muqabala) was
> from (what is now) Khiva, Uzbekistan.

Why this is a fun fact?

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brad sez:
>when the Maroons became the Bulldogs; it
>was sometime in the 60s

a) what, was "Maroons" non-1960s-PC?
(the Marquette WHATs???)

b) didn't UGA have anything to say about
having more than one Dawg in the SEC?

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> Why this is a fun fact?

There are many things about the various ?*stans
that are not common knowledge.

I'm just spreading the love, man.

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On Monday, March 17, 2003 at 9:53, Karen Kay wrote:

> I did someone a favor, kind person that I am, and they rewarded
> me with a betta. Obviously, I can't stick this in with the other
> fish. So, what do I do with it?

Keep it alone. They don't seem to mind small containers too much.
Some refs suggest that one can be kept with a smallish group of small
community fish (maybe guppies or little tetras), but I've also heard
that the beta will attack them. As usual, adding the most aggressive
after the others are established is the best bet.

> I looked on the web, and came across the idea of putting a beta
> in with a plant, and that sort of appeals to me. Has anyone done
> this or seen it done? Did you think this was cool, or did it look
> weird.

We (well, Simon) have one in a small tank with an artificial plant.
They seem to get along fine. What he didn't like at all was the
thermometer we added after he was established. Probably it shows him
a reflection of himself; regardless, he attacked it for a day or two
before getting used to it.

> I'm thinking of Lucky Bamboo for the plant.

Our beta is "Fireworks"; the plastic plant is unnamed.

Tony H.

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 11:34:16 AM, Tony Harminc wrote:
> Keep it alone. They don't seem to mind small containers too much.
> Some refs suggest that one can be kept with a smallish group of small
> community fish (maybe guppies or little tetras), but I've also heard
> that the beta will attack them. As usual, adding the most aggressive
> after the others are established is the best bet.

I'm very tempted to put it in my other tank--those fish have
terrorized any other fish I've put in there.

> We (well, Simon) have one in a small tank with an artificial plant.
> They seem to get along fine. What he didn't like at all was the
> thermometer we added after he was established. Probably it shows him
> a reflection of himself; regardless, he attacked it for a day or two
> before getting used to it.

Interesting.

>> I'm thinking of Lucky Bamboo for the plant.

> Our beta is "Fireworks"; the plastic plant is unnamed.

LOL. I won't actually name either of them.

Karen

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Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock :

Richard, what's with the cutesy username?

>Fun Fact: According to some, Mohammed al-Khowarizmi
>(you know, he wrote Kitab al jabr w'al-muqabala) was

My rusty urdu makes this out as "Book against oppression" -
does that sound right?

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 12:42:35 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock :

> Richard, what's with the cutesy username?

Jethro Tull.

(I asked the other day.)

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> Richard, what's with the cutesy username?

Back when I was being more creative, my names
frightened Tushar.  So I'm more vanilla now.

>My rusty urdu makes this out as "Book against
>oppression" - does that sound right?

The translation I know, which I stole from
Knuth's book, is "Rules of restoration and
reduction".

Since I wouldn't recognize Urdu if it bit
me on the ass, I have to take Knuth on faith.

But he's never led me wrong before.

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K*R*N:

> > Richard, what's with the cutesy username?

>Jethro Tull.

Yabbut, why's he using it, why now etc. etc.

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 12:54:04 PM, baldrick wrote:
>> Richard, what's with the cutesy username?

> Back when I was being more creative, my names
> frightened Tushar.  So I'm more vanilla now.

>>My rusty urdu makes this out as "Book against
>>oppression" - does that sound right?

> The translation I know, which I stole from
> Knuth's book, is "Rules of restoration and
> reduction".

> Since I wouldn't recognize Urdu if it bit
> me on the ass, I have to take Knuth on faith.

> But he's never led me wrong before.

'kitab' has to do with writing; I don't think it's explicitly a
book, though.

Jeeze, the pieces that stick in your head...

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 12:55:49 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>> > Richard, what's with the cutesy username?

>>Jethro Tull.

> Yabbut, why's he using it, why now etc. etc.

Because It's There.

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>> Richard, what's with the cutesy username?
>(I asked the other day.)

I think it was pissing her off.

In the interest of content, here's another
fun fact; he invented the seed drill.

http://www.teachersfirst.com/lessons/inventor/ag3.htm

Now you know.

Back to Peano's axioms...

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 12:57:29 PM, baldrick wrote:

>>> Richard, what's with the cutesy username?
>>(I asked the other day.)

> I think it was pissing her off.

Me? No.

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 12:57:29 PM, baldrick wrote:
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Why did wheels on the shuttle make the weavers weave faster?
Wouldn't the wheels get caught in the warp?

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> > I think it was pissing her off.
> Me? No.

her == "Rashmi"

I thought it might be a tributary of
the anti-Jeff stream.  Problem solved.

--
Richard             "...an angry vulgarity"

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 1:16:43 PM, baldrick wrote:

>> > I think it was pissing her off.
>> Me? No.

> her == "Rashmi"

Ah. Probably.

> I thought it might be a tributary of
> the anti-Jeff stream.  Problem solved.

Are you really bald?

And what's the answer to my shuttle question?

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02003-03-17 | Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> writes:
> I thought Austin was on the surface of the earth but it seems now that it
> is floating somewhere in space.

Yeah, Austin's, like, weird ...

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 1:20:11 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-17 | Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> writes:
>> I thought Austin was on the surface of the earth but it seems now that it
>> is floating somewhere in space.

> Yeah, Austin's, like, weird ...

At least the sun sets in the west, and not in the north.

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Cliff "Charlie Weaver" Arquette:
> Wouldn't the wheels get caught in the warp?

As long as the wheels were larger than the
space between the threads, and the shuttle
wasn't heavy enough to push the threads too
far down, I don't see a problem.

--
Richard             "...an angry vulgarity"

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02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, March 16, 2003, 9:38:33 PM, Betty wrote:
> > Praise the goddess.
>
> > Mutt
>
> Bucking to be our quadruplet?!

It's true ... it's the derivative stuff which gets noticed.
Doubtless due to the American educational system ...

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On Monday, March 17, 2003 at 12:57, baldrick wrote:

> In the interest of content, here's another
> fun fact; he invented the seed drill.

Not only did I know who 'Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock' was,
I knew about Jethro Tull and the seed drill. Scary indeed what one
remembers from 1969 or so. (Well, TaaB was later, but we were already
listening to Tull and amused by the name. What was that other hot
invention of the day - Arkwright's water frame?)

> Back to Peano's axioms...

I induce that you enjoy this stuff...

Tony H.

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02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> No; Akbar won't be back till Tuesday night, Ligniere is being
> weirder than usual, and Nameless is getting ready to go to Costa
> Rica. My life is so sad! No one loves me!!!!

Probably because of your naming scheme. You know Confucius said that
giving things proper names is the top priority of any civilization?

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 1:24:08 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> No; Akbar won't be back till Tuesday night, Ligniere is being
>> weirder than usual, and Nameless is getting ready to go to Costa
>> Rica. My life is so sad! No one loves me!!!!

> Probably because of your naming scheme. You know Confucius said that
> giving things proper names is the top priority of any civilization?

Well, he didn't say that in the bits I read in grad school. So I
don't believe you.

baldrick

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02003-03-16 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> >At 08:34 PM 3/16/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >>       Is Xity where Xena comes from?
> >
> >
> >Well, it's all mythological...
>
>
>        True.

It's cool to see blindingly intelligent people subverting
the dominant paradigm so wittily ... So, what's in it that
has a "veneer of Christianity"?

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In a message dated 3/17/2003 3:14:21 AM, Espen.Ore@NB.NO writes:

<< I have never learned to type, but I have become a fairly quick
non-touch-type typer with a combination of 3-4 fingers and partly looking,
partly knowing where the keys are.  >>

I hear you. Even though I knew how to type fast once, since I lost the use of
one arm, touch-typing is no longer possible for me. But, like you, I do what
I'm able of to the best of my ability.
Theo

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Tony:
> I induce that you enjoy this stuff...

And *where*, sir, do you stand on the issue
of zero as a natural number?

--
Richard             "...an angry vulgarity"

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Tony:
>Scary indeed what one remembers from 1969 or so.

I hope you remember what happened in July.

--
Richard             "...an angry vulgarity"

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> Are you really bald?

St. Baldrick's is a head-shaving event
that raises money for Childhood Cancer
Foundation.  NOLA's was this Saturday.

As I maintain only a thin grayish lichen
up top, I harvested my winter facial fur.

http://www.stbaldricks.org

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Richard             "...an angry vulgarity"

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baldrick <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>:

> > > I think it was pissing her off.
> > Me? No.

>her == "Rashmi"

Nah - pure unadulterated curiosity.

>I thought it might be a tributary of
>the anti-Jeff stream.  Problem solved.

I was mildly annoyed by Jeff but that's because I read gazillion
of Karen's posts from the weekend in one sitting and the stunt
loses its charm on the 5th repetition. 'sokay if you space it out.

-rashmi



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02003-03-17 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, March 17, 2003, 1:24:08 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>
> >> No; Akbar won't be back till Tuesday night, Ligniere is being
> >> weirder than usual, and Nameless is getting ready to go to Costa
> >> Rica. My life is so sad! No one loves me!!!!
>
> > Probably because of your naming scheme. You know Confucius said that
> > giving things proper names is the top priority of any civilization?
>
> Well, he didn't say that in the bits I read in grad school. So I
> don't believe you.

I will defend your right to do so, K-R-N.

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On 17 Mar 2003 at 13:29, Karen Kay wrote:

> Well, he didn't say that in the bits I read in grad school. So I
> don't believe you.

What do you suppose he meant by rectification of names?

   mem

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 2:15:04 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 17 Mar 2003 at 13:29, Karen Kay wrote:
>> Well, he didn't say that in the bits I read in grad school. So I
>> don't believe you.

> What do you suppose he meant by rectification of names?

Don't know, don't really care. I <recognize> the issue, but I'm
not a Sinologist.

I discovered today that my lawnmower stops working well when the
very thick Bermuda grass and wild garlic are over a foot high. I
still don't consider this a major flaw.

Karen

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 1:33:37 PM, baldrick wrote:
> As I maintain only a thin grayish lichen
> up top, I harvested my winter facial fur.

> http://www.stbaldricks.org

This is my favorite part: http://www.stbaldricks.org/chicagovote.asp

Tushar, Check This Out!

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> I discovered today that my lawnmower stops working well when the
> very thick Bermuda grass and wild garlic are over a foot high. I
> still don't consider this a major flaw.

The flaw is not with the machine but with you, letting it grow so high.
That is a lot to ask of any mower.

alyce

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 3:03:00 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I discovered today that my lawnmower stops working well when the
>> very thick Bermuda grass and wild garlic are over a foot high. I
>> still don't consider this a major flaw.

> The flaw is not with the machine but with you, letting it grow so high.
> That is a lot to ask of any mower.

Most assuredly. I like letting the back grow because of the
wildflowers, though I should have done the first cut before now.

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http://asia.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=2394101

"The only option (to secure peace) is the departure of the
warmonger number one in the world, the failing President Bush who
made his country a joke," Iraqi Foreign Minister Naji Sabri told
reporters."


Karen

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02003-03-17 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Gerald "Little Milton" Bostock :
>
> Richard, what's with the cutesy username?

Ha ha ha ...! The answer is "Jethro Tull", apparently

> >Fun Fact: According to some, Mohammed al-Khowarizmi
> >(you know, he wrote Kitab al jabr w'al-muqabala) was
>
> My rusty urdu makes this out as "Book against oppression" -
> does that sound right?

Rashmi--this is one of the best howlers I have come across.
No offense ... It is the "book about completing and balancing"
or some such. From which it got translated to "Liber algebrae
et almucabala".

But we should probably burn it just to be safe ...

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02003-03-17 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> 'kitab' has to do with writing; I don't think it's explicitly a
> book, though.

No, it is a book.

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--- Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM> wrote:
> > The hotel is right on water, and the sky is blue,
> and
> > no one is keeping tabs on me or asking if I did X
> > yet... I am loving it!
>
> Which one? I've been to corporate conventions at the
> Marriott...it's nice.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com

Yes, it's the Newport Marriott. Biggest drawback...
Business Center is on the blink, no internet unless I
go to Kinko's. Not impressive for the conference folk.

clo

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02003-03-17 | baldrick <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> > Richard, what's with the cutesy username?
>
> Back when I was being more creative, my names
> frightened Tushar.  So I'm more vanilla now.

Please .. it's OK ...

> >My rusty urdu makes this out as "Book against
> >oppression" - does that sound right?
>
> The translation I know, which I stole from
> Knuth's book, is "Rules of restoration and
> reduction".
>
> Since I wouldn't recognize Urdu if it bit
> me on the ass, I have to take Knuth on faith.
>
> But he's never led me wrong before.

"Muqabla" does mean resistance or opposition, in Urdu and
clearly in Arabic too (qabil = capable). The connection
to reducing (both sides of an equation) is clear ... but
why "jabr" sounds so much like oppression or coercion is
unclear. I think it's just accidental, and mainly due to
us less educated Indians in the south confusing j and z ...

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On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>02003-03-17 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> 'kitab' has to do with writing; I don't think it's explicitly a
>> book, though.
>
>No, it is a book.

yes, book. kitabu = singular, vitabu = plural

Bethany

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On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:31:06 -0600, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
>02003-03-17 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> 'kitab' has to do with writing; I don't think it's explicitly a
>> book, though.
>
>No, it is a book.

Well, http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~navin/india/urdu.dictionary says

"kitaab:  A n.m. book/writing/despatch"

Karen

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> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Here is a list of countries that were bombed by the
> USA since the end of worldwar II, as researched by
> the historian William Blum :
>
> China 1945-46
> Korea 1950-53
> China 1950-53
> Guatemala 1954
> Indonesia 1958
> Cuba 1959-60
> Guatemala 1960
> Congo 1964
> Peru 1965
> Laos 1964-73
> Vietnam 1961-73
> Cambodge 1969-70
> Guatemala 1967-69
> Chili (Santiago) 1973
> Granada 1983
> Libya 1986
> El Salvador 1980s
> Nicaragua 1980s
> Lebanon 1985
> Panama 1989
> Irak 1991-2002
> Soudan 1998
> Yugoslavia 1999
> Afghanistan 2001-2002
>
>
> How many of these countries did see the light of
> democracy and the respect of human rights as a
> result of the bombings?
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> Sunday, March 16, 2003, 2:50:46 PM, Carolyn
> Ostrander wrote:
> > THat's *is*, and it turned out (once I looked at
> the
> > conference info) to be Newport, not Providence.
> > Another mouse-brain incident; it seems I got out
> of
> > sunless Syracuse just in the nick of time!
>
> Clearly.
>
> > Not early enough, however, to connect with any
> > wordslers yesterday. I am still hoping to catch up
> > with some this evening or by sneaking out of the
> > conference some day...
>
> <sob!> I wanted to be your first!

And you still may! My timing is off in subtle but
important ways this week; I feel like a new bride
burning her first meal - such careful plans, gone all
awry!

I still have shameless high hopes of bumping into
someone, however - and take heart, Jeff, I still bear
that token from your beloved Akbar, which none may
wrest from me!

By the way, though, to avoid this kind of embarrassing
near-miss, it wouldn't be a bad idea to email me
back-channel and let me know how to find you.

> > The hotel is right on water, and the sky is blue,
> and
> > no one is keeping tabs on me or asking if I did X
> > yet... I am loving it!
>
> Cool. I like Newport a lot.

Yeah. Feeling just a little smug about pulling off an
actual 1.5 days to myself here!
clo

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 3:41:49 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> I still have shameless high hopes of bumping into
> someone, however - and take heart, Jeff, I still bear
> that token from your beloved Akbar, which none may
> wrest from me!

Wow, he gave it to you already?!

> By the way, though, to avoid this kind of embarrassing
> near-miss, it wouldn't be a bad idea to email me
> back-channel and let me know how to find you.

Okay.

Karen

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02003-03-17 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> I was mildly annoyed by Jeff but that's because I read gazillion
> of Karen's posts from the weekend in one sitting and the stunt
> loses its charm on the 5th repetition. 'sokay if you space it out.

What about the nerd invasion underway right now, with people
talking about induction and piano etc? That's not annoying?

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Gerald \"Little Milton\" Bostock wrote:

> b) didn't UGA have anything to say about
> having more than one Dawg in the SEC?

Seems to me it really is dumb to have duplicate animals in the same
conference.  But then there are duplicate tigers also.

Re what you said last night about Kentucky having also won the last time
the SEC championship was played in NO, are you sure?  I read something
on cnn.com that said the last time it was played there was also a
matchup between KY and MSU.  But we won that one.  Here's the url:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/college/news/2003/03/16/sec_ap/

It's in the gray box that for some reason won't let me copy to paste the
relevant pargraph.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Yeah, Austin's, like, weird ...
>
> At least the sun sets in the west, and not in the north.

But it didn't make the international best-places-to-live list.

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02003-03-17 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > Yeah, Austin's, like, weird ...
> >
> > At least the sun sets in the west, and not in the north.
>
> But it didn't make the international best-places-to-live list.

That's because the damn bobos stuck Namibia in there ... Austin R00lZ

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02003-03-17 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >02003-03-17 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> 'kitab' has to do with writing; I don't think it's explicitly a
> >> book, though.
> >
> >No, it is a book.
>
> yes, book. kitabu = singular, vitabu = plural

What the hell is this, Swahili?

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02003-03-17 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:31:06 -0600, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> >02003-03-17 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> 'kitab' has to do with writing; I don't think it's explicitly a
> >> book, though.
> >
> >No, it is a book.
>
> Well, http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~navin/india/urdu.dictionary says
>
> "kitaab:  A n.m. book/writing/despatch"

Game, set and match to you then!

Here are the words which led to the confusion:

  zabar:     P    n.m.    above/superior/greater/top
  zabardast:      adj.    vigorous/violent/tyrranical/superior

Persian, not Arabic. I should have been able to guess with the
"dast" part, but I have gotten old now ... alas!

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I did manage to watch Survivor Thursday night, by wolfing down some very
good food and rushing to my motel room in the strange little shabby
motel with super low prices and free drinks at cocktail hour and a
wonderful restaurant.  Great place to stay.  A seemingly retarded man
sat on the porch and rocked and greeted people, one of the waitresses
was a midget, the ambience of the whole place was wonderful.  Anyway, I
did see Survivor.  Did y'all discuss it?  One thing I'm wondering about
is sex.  Are we to assume that part of their <reward> for being the two
youngest people was sex?  Surely we aren't supposed to think that they
shared that romantic-looking bed after the good food and wine and simply
went to sleep.  Are we?  Nothing seemed to be said or implied about sex,
though.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-03-17 | Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> writes:
> The very concept of "lumping" implies that one is lumping different things.
> It's all a matter of how granular one wants to be.  Oranges and apples are
> different things, but they can be lumped together as fruit.  And of course
> one can carry this down as well as up the hierarchy: Fujis and Galas are
> different things, but they can be lumped together as apples.

Great example of how to uphold an hierarchy while SOUNDING like
you are not ...

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On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> yes, book. kitabu = singular, vitabu = plural
>
>What the hell is this, Swahili?

More properly, tushkins, Kiswahili.

Bethany

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 4:45:30 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-17 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:31:06 -0600, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
>> >02003-03-17 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> 'kitab' has to do with writing; I don't think it's explicitly a
>> >> book, though.
>> >
>> >No, it is a book.
>>
>> Well, http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~navin/india/urdu.dictionary says
>>
>> "kitaab:  A n.m. book/writing/despatch"

> Game, set and match to you then!

HA!

> Here are the words which led to the confusion:

>   zabar:     P    n.m.    above/superior/greater/top
>   zabardast:      adj.    vigorous/violent/tyrranical/superior

> Persian, not Arabic. I should have been able to guess with the
> "dast" part, but I have gotten old now ... alas!

Neat.

Well, all foreigners sound alike anyway.

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02003-03-17 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, March 17, 2003, 2:15:04 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>
> >> Well, he didn't say that in the bits I read in grad school.
> >> So I don't believe you.
>
> > What do you suppose he meant by rectification of names?
>
> Don't know, don't really care. I <recognize> the issue, but I'm
> not a Sinologist.

Thanks for a very convincing Janet-<shrug> imitation. Although
lacking a Sinology Ph.D. I remain impressed by the importance
of this principle. It is (all together now) more important
today than ever.

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02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Because I think you need to see cute little girls playing soccer,
> for some reason. I'm strongly convinced of this.

Thank you for the update. I'll walk over to Evanston ASAP.

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02003-03-17 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-03-16 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> = > In a message dated 3/16/2003 1:28:48 PM, clostran@YAHOO.COM writes:
> = >
> = > << > >when I turned in an assay I had to write,
> = > >
> = > > Assay? We wrote essays.
> = > >
> = > > alyce >>
> = >
> = > Excuse me all to pieces, I made an error. Theo
> =
> = Somebody's getting REALLY Americanized ...
>
> Well, you'd think so, after all these years.  Didn't take you
> long though, did it, MR. NOW.

I didn't have to do anything. I was already pretty dumb.

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 5:54:16 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Because I think you need to see cute little girls playing soccer,
>> for some reason. I'm strongly convinced of this.

> Thank you for the update. I'll walk over to Evanston ASAP.

I think you need to see Cute Little Indian Girls [tm] playing
soccer.

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02003-03-17 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >> yes, book. kitabu = singular, vitabu = plural
> >
> >What the hell is this, Swahili?
>
> More properly, tushkins, Kiswahili.

Excuse me all to pieces. It must have been my incomplete
education.....HUGZ

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02003-03-17 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, March 17, 2003, 5:54:16 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Because I think you need to see cute little girls playing soccer,
> >> for some reason. I'm strongly convinced of this.
>
> > Thank you for the update. I'll walk over to Evanston ASAP.
>
> I think you need to see Cute Little Indian Girls [tm] playing
> soccer.

Oak Park's too far.

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On 17 Mar 2003 at 17:53, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Although lacking a Sinology Ph.D. I remain impressed by the importance
> of this principle.

The importance of Confucian thought exceeds the bounds of sinology.
Why, I'll bet they've even heard of Confucius in Japan.


     mem

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The Texas economy is 3 times larger than Russia's...

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I must admit I used to feel that rhetoric in the English language
died after Churchill ... until I heard "either you are for us",
and hope was rekindled. Today, we witness the finest flowering
of English speech yet, with "moment of truth". It shines with
a noble, quiet resolve, and the subtlety and un-sovietness of
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Monday, March 17, 2003, 5:59:48 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 17 Mar 2003 at 17:53, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> Although lacking a Sinology Ph.D. I remain impressed by the importance
>> of this principle.

> The importance of Confucian thought exceeds the bounds of sinology.
> Why, I'll bet they've even heard of Confucius in Japan.

I bet they have, too.

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 6:06:35 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> I must admit I used to feel that rhetoric in the English language
> died after Churchill ... until I heard "either you are for us",
> and hope was rekindled. Today, we witness the finest flowering
> of English speech yet, with "moment of truth". It shines with
> a noble, quiet resolve, and the subtlety and un-sovietness of
> it raises goosepimples on my skin.

Then you're in good shape for Bush's speech.

Dang. I just set my VCR--I'm going to have to un-set it.

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Tushar:
>but why "jabr" sounds so much like oppression or
>coercion is unclear.

I have no idea if I'm remembering correctly,
and I can't remember where I read this (not
Knuth), but... the "jabr" part comes from
the word doctors used to resetting broken
bones.

coercion -> restoration?

--
Richard             "...an angry vulgarity"

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On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> More properly, tushkins, Kiswahili.
>
>Excuse me all to pieces. It must have been my incomplete
>education.....HUGZ

I think that is contagious around here ... as are <"HUGZ">.

Bethany

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>But then there are duplicate tigers also.

Indeed -- there are also multiple Death Valleys,
come to think of it.  But did they both join
the league as tigers?

>Re what you said last night about Kentucky
>having also won the last time

Ah. I must have misinterpreted mourning for
merriment back then.

A gaggle of KU Jennifers decided to discuss the
state of the world in front of my door at 5:45
this morning.

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02003-03-17 | Jugador Zurdo <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
>

I have changed my mind, the name still scares and depresses me.

> Tushar:
> >but why "jabr" sounds so much like oppression or
> >coercion is unclear.
>
> I have no idea if I'm remembering correctly,
> and I can't remember where I read this (not
> Knuth), but... the "jabr" part comes from
> the word doctors used to resetting broken
> bones.
>
> coercion -> restoration?

No, that "coercion" part was a false alarm. Totally different
sound, different language (Farsi), different language family.
But "jabr" as resetting sounds correct--wasn't the veterinary
book called "jabr al hayawan" or something?

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Natalie:
> the last time the SEC championship was played in NO

Yeah, the mists are clearing.  That was the
one where all the Dawgs were wearing Kentucky's
prematurely printed "SEC Champions" t-shirts.

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Richard             "...an angry vulgarity"

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> I have changed my mind, the name still scares and depresses me.

I admit, that was a test.  Sorry.

> But "jabr" as resetting sounds correct--wasn't the veterinary
> book called "jabr al hayawan" or something?

I'm really in over my head here, and am only
remembering bits and pieces, anyway.

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Richard             "...an angry vulgarity"

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02003-03-17 | AM Soup Rim Champignon writes:
>

Hey, that's the guy who runs the Buddhist day camp I go to!

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> I must admit I used to feel that rhetoric in the English language
> died after Churchill ... until I heard "either you are for us",
> and hope was rekindled.

What about "love it or leave it"?  I was thinking about that recently
and started wondering exactly how one can just up and leave a country.
One can leave it as a tourist, of course, but "America: Love It or Leave
It" suggests moving away.  Are there countries out there that allow
somebody to waltz right in and become a citizen?  Like what if I decided
right now that I wanted to be French?  Sure, I can buy a plane ticket to
France and enter with my U.S. passport.  But I would still be a U.S.
citizen.  How could I become French?  The marriage thing is an old and
obvious means, of course.  Find a country you want to move to, con a
citizen into marrying you, and you've got an inside track toward
citizenship.  But that takes some conning.  Iow, what I'm wondering is
what these people who say "love it or leave it" think one should do.
Leave it how?

> Today, we witness the finest flowering
> of English speech yet, with "moment of truth". It shines with
> a noble, quiet resolve, and the subtlety and un-sovietness of
> it raises goosepimples on my skin.

Yep.  And this reminds me of something else I was wondering about, even
more recently  than I was wondering about the above stuff I wrote.  When
I was reading earlier today what the Iraqi foreign minister said re
Bush, I found myself agreeing with some of it (not every word but some
of it).  I thought he hit the nail on the head in a good bit of it.  I
trust that it's ok for me to say that right now since the bombs haven't
started falling yet.  But when they do, would saying that I agree with
the Iraqi foreign minister be treason, resulting in my execution?
Doesn't the constitution say that treason is something like "adhering to
the enemy"?  Is agreeing with an Iraqi offical "adhering to the enemy"?
This is a serious question, btw.  I am not principled enough to want to
speak my mind if it means I might be beheaded for it.  But I do want to
say that whatever it was the Iraqi person said about the "crazy man"
rang very true to me.  I trust it's ok to say that now.  Just not
tomorrow.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Dang. I just set my VCR--I'm going to have to un-set it.

What do you mean?  What did you set it for, and why do you need to reset
it?

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 6:29:46 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> Dang. I just set my VCR--I'm going to have to un-set it.

> What do you mean?  What did you set it for, and why do you need to reset
> it?

I need to re-set it because I forgot to allow for Shrub's speech.

As for what I set it for, that's none of your business.

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On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:28:13 -0600, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
>I trust it's ok to say that now.  Just not tomorrow.

Why would tomorrow be different?

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Jugador Zurdo wrote:
>
> >But then there are duplicate tigers also.
>
> Indeed -- there are also multiple Death Valleys,
> come to think of it.  But did they both join
> the league as tigers?

The two Death Valleys I know of are in different conferences (though the
same general part of the country).  Re when the duplicate tigers showed
up, I'm not sure.

> >Re what you said last night about Kentucky
> >having also won the last time
>
> Ah. I must have misinterpreted mourning for
> merriment back then.

Could be.  Or perhaps you heard MSU merriment.

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Jugador Zurdo wrote:
>
> Natalie:
> > the last time the SEC championship was played in NO
>
> Yeah, the mists are clearing.  That was the
> one where all the Dawgs were wearing Kentucky's
> prematurely printed "SEC Champions" t-shirts.

It was indeed the time of the famous premature t-shirts, although I
don't know that the dawgs were wearing them.  I think they were pretty
hard to get.  Brad may know what the end of that story was -- whether
the KY bookstore did manage to suck them all back.
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Karen Kay wrote:

> >I trust it's ok to say that now.  Just not tomorrow.
>
> Why would tomorrow be different?

I'm not sure.  That's why I'm asking.  When Dubya tells us tonight that
we are going to war against Iraq, will that mean that agreeing with
something an Iraqi official said will be treason, punishable by death?

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 6:47:10 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> It's very common here. The plant is usually a peace lily. My father has a
> pothos in with his fish.

Those seem to be the common ones.

Actually, I totally forgot about this fish. I guess I'd better go
find it and feed it so it doesn't die before I decide what to do
with it!

Karen

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 6:54:17 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I don't know.  I just have a feeling that the war is about to be
> <official>.

It depends on what you mean by that, of course. But what I read
indicates that he's going to give them a 2-day warning.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >> Dang. I just set my VCR--I'm going to have to un-set it.
>
> > What do you mean?  What did you set it for, and why do you need to reset
> > it?
>
> I need to re-set it because I forgot to allow for Shrub's speech.

How do you know how long his speech is going to be?  And you must have
set it a good while back since his speech was announced a good while
back.

> As for what I set it for, that's none of your business.

Sorry for asking.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 6:37:55 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> How do you know how long his speech is going to be?  And you must have
> set it a good while back since his speech was announced a good while
> back.

I set my VCR right before I posted--I forgot about his speech.
What does 'a good while back' mean? I thought it was announced
today.

>> As for what I set it for, that's none of your business.

> Sorry for asking.

No problem.

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02003-03-17 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
>
> What about "love it or leave it"?

It is unnecessary to analyze it, since nobody says it.

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 6:39:19 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> >I trust it's ok to say that now.  Just not tomorrow.
>>
>> Why would tomorrow be different?

> I'm not sure.  That's why I'm asking.  When Dubya tells us tonight that
> we are going to war against Iraq, will that mean that agreeing with
> something an Iraqi official said will be treason, punishable by death?

Do you think Bush is actually going to invoke the War Powers Act
tonight?

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> I looked on the web, and came across the idea of putting a beta
> in with a plant, and that sort of appeals to me. Has anyone done
> this or seen it done? Did you think this was cool, or did it look
> weird.

It's very common here. The plant is usually a peace lily. My father has a
pothos in with his fish.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I set my VCR right before I posted--I forgot about his speech.
> What does 'a good while back' mean? I thought it was announced
> today.

Mid-day yesterday.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Yes, it's the Newport Marriott. Biggest drawback...
> Business Center is on the blink, no internet unless I
> go to Kinko's. Not impressive for the conference folk.

Last time I was there, it was 1995 or 6, and there was no pervasive
Internet.

--Adam
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Do you think Bush is actually going to invoke the War Powers Act
> tonight?

I don't know.  I just have a feeling that the war is about to be
<official>.

--
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Two other inexplicable things about this pub--this very pub
I go to any time I feel the need to drink, MY damn pub--where
I went yesterday, I admit it, since some previous drinking at
a jazz club made me forget "St Pat's" was still underway--I
go in and get carded first time in history--and for the first
time in history the bar is overflowing on a Sunday night--and
twenty thousand Sikh brothers waiting outside in their cabs,
certain of bounteous fares--then some tall dude who is neither
Eamonn nor Dan is at the bar, and he gives out a PLASTIC "pint",
is when I suddenly remembered the specialness of this weekend.
So I lean against the corner part of the bar so as not to
interfere with any festivity and be as invisible as possible
and get the drink done quick, when the tall dude (bartender)
asks me if I am pounding the beer because his girlfriend is
sitting at the table elsewhere ... Can you decipher this? I
felt amazingly guilty--drunks are suggestible--so I wave Dan
over and ask if I was in anyone's way, and Dan says no, and
joins his hands and bows! Surreal, completely surreal ...
then I ask for a second drink, and while I am drinking--not
pounding--it, the tall dude comes by and says he can give me
a place at the bar, no need to stand by where his girlfriend
is sitting at the table. I look around and here is NO occupied
table anywhere except in the far corner, with about 8 people
sitting around ... but I walk over to the midsection of the
bar, wondering like hell knows! Then Eamon passes me without
saying hi and leaves, and Dan comes by and gives me a "Cosmo-
politan" (Jameson) and when I want to pay him he again joins
his hands like I am the dalai lama ... And over all this,
freakin BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY.

I am going to ask them who the hell the tall guy was and the
connection between my drinking a paid-for drink and his mythical
girlfriend ... What the hell, it made me feel like I was a
jerk, like I flung my drink in this (fictitious) woman's face.

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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:59:49 -0600
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Monday, March 17, 2003, 6:56:04 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> What the hell, it made me feel like I was a
> jerk, like I flung my drink in this (fictitious) woman's face.

Your life is so surreal, my pet.

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Top song which signifies "St Patricks weekend" at pubs
in the city:

BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY.

I absolutely don't get it. A prehistoric song by a gay
half-Indian Zoroastrian screaming "in the name of Allah"
is ... the enduring symbol of Brit identity? Is EVERYONE
insane?

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02003-03-17 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > What the hell, it made me feel like I was a
> > jerk, like I flung my drink in this (fictitious) woman's face.
>
> Your life is so surreal, my pet.

Not really--for instance, Eamonn and Dan are those guys' real names.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > I don't know.  I just have a feeling that the war is about to be
> > <official>.
>
> It depends on what you mean by that, of course. But what I read
> indicates that he's going to give them a 2-day warning.

Yes, I knew that was what he was supposedly going to say (and did say).
But somehow it seems a wee bit more <official> than before.  I guess
it's not totally official yet, though, so maybe I should go find the
parts of the Iraqi minister's comments that I thought were dead-on and
post them.
...

"He should go away from the presidency and let the Americans lead an
 ordinary life with other nations, not a life of aggression, a policy of
aggression
 against other nations," Sabri said. "This policy has brought about
disasters to
 the U.S. So for the U.S. to live properly with the world and for the
world
 nations to live in peace, this crazy man should go."

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-03-17 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Yes, I knew that was what he was supposedly going to say (and did say).
> But somehow it seems a wee bit more <official> than before.  I guess
> it's not totally official yet, though, so maybe I should go find the
> parts of the Iraqi minister's comments that I thought were dead-on and
> post them.
> ...
>
> "He should go away from the presidency and let the Americans lead an
> ordinary life with other nations, not a life of aggression, a policy
> of aggression against other nations," Sabri said. "This policy has
> brought about disasters to the U.S. So for the U.S. to live properly
> with the world and for the world nations to live in peace, this crazy
> man should go."

But comments don't stand on their own; their content is important
but who said it is also crucially important. Why should anybody
(on "our" side I mean) even listen to what an Iraqi minister has
to say? He has no authority. But it's pretty damn sad how many
people have these exact same thoughts at the moment--only a few
moral-free philosophers and a few financially untroubled fat cats
with quiet resolves seem to be thinking otherwise--and most of them
seem to be making lame arguments anyway, like "it's too late now",
"we can't be seen as wimpy", etc. In retrospect, it seems that a
dumb habit of *starting* at the highest pitch of belligerence has
landed him in a shithole after a year.

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 7:55:00 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> In retrospect, it seems that a dumb habit of *starting* at the
> highest pitch of belligerence has landed him in a shithole
> after a year.

You think?!

The problem is that he's dragging me in after him, and it's
*very* smelly in there.

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In a message dated 3/17/2003 10:03:35 AM Central Standard Time,
tony@HARMINC.COM writes:


> > I'm on the road in the morning . .
> > Will be at Mayo's probably all week . .
> > Where I will be thoroughly gone over . .
> > Run through the Xray and the boob crusher . .
> > Viewed and interviewed, measured and probed . .
> > And hopefully declared physically fit
> > And once again, a perfect AH . .
> > After certain invasive procedures.
>
> Might I ask what (roughly) a week of such investigations at the Mayo
> costs?
>
> Tony H.
>

Offhand, I don't know.  I've been there before but the bills
were covered by Medicare and my private insurance and
I didn't total them up or remember the amounts.  I can
look more closely when this is over, however I do
know that in the past my costs to go to Mayo's are no
more than they would have been to go to doctors and
hospitals in my home city.

                   - D. M.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> But it's pretty damn sad how many
> people have these exact same thoughts at the moment--

I was eating a sandwich Thursday in the kind of scuzzy sandwich place
one finds in a tiny factory outlet strip mall in a small town -- the day
the rain came and dampened my Vicksburg plans, and I was of course
eavesdropping while eating.  I liked what I heard from some very
<ordinary-looking> people, as in typical middle- or lower-middle-classed
residents of a small Mississippi town.  One of them was saying, "What if
some other countries went to the UN with a request that the US destroy
its weapons of mass destruction immediately or be disarmed by attack?"
The other two people nodded.  I can't remember all of what they said,
but that statement was the gist.  But then I think about that Telecomm
window person I was talking to not long ago who revealed no knowledge of
anything beyond her pleasure with Dubya since he wasn't screwing around
with Monica.

> only a few
> moral-free philosophers and a few financially untroubled fat cats
> with quiet resolves seem to be thinking otherwise--and most of them
> seem to be making lame arguments anyway, like "it's too late now",
> "we can't be seen as wimpy", etc. In retrospect, it seems that a
> dumb habit of *starting* at the highest pitch of belligerence has
> landed him in a shithole after a year.

The problem is that he has dragged the whole country into a shithole.
And there are many voters like that Telecomm person.  Then again, we may
never have another election anyway.  The shithole may be quicksand
beyond escape.  This country may be totally doomed, one way or another.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-03-17 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> The problem is that he has dragged the whole country into a shithole.
> And there are many voters like that Telecomm person.  Then again, we may
> never have another election anyway.  The shithole may be quicksand
> beyond escape.  This country may be totally doomed, one way or another.

Puh-lease ...

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Offhand, I don't know.  I've been there before but the bills
> were covered by Medicare and my private insurance and

I was amazed at how my mother's combination of Medicare and AARP
insurance paid *everything*.  That is so very different from my world,
where my insurance pays zero since I never reach the enormously high
deductible, and preventive things, which is usually all I have -- things
like mammograms and pap smears, don't even count toward the deductible.

There are some things to be said for reaching sixty-five.  I was
thinking that Medicare might cease to exist by then, but I read
somewhere just today that it is said to be solvent until something like
2040, so I think I'm ok.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Monday, March 17, 2003, 7:55:00 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > In retrospect, it seems that a dumb habit of *starting* at the
> > highest pitch of belligerence has landed him in a shithole
> > after a year.
>
> You think?!
>
> The problem is that he's dragging me in after him, and it's
> *very* smelly in there.

Hearhere, hearhere.

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Betty wrote:
>
> Are they ruined or will this make them more popular?

I heard that one Tupelo radio station is refusing to play them.  As I
said earlier, this country is becoming a very scary place to live.  I
wonder if ordinary Germans felt this way in the late '30s.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > The problem is that he has dragged the whole country into a shithole.
> > And there are many voters like that Telecomm person.  Then again, we may
> > never have another election anyway.  The shithole may be quicksand
> > beyond escape.  This country may be totally doomed, one way or another.
>
> Puh-lease ...

I remember that when I said shortly after 9/11 that things wouldn't be
the same, you scoffed at that thought and asked what had changed in my
life.  Well, various things have changed for me and for millions of
other people.  I can't take my manicure kit onto an airplane, to name
one example.  But more to the point, I find the current situation(s)
scarier than anything I've ever experienced before.  The (s) means both
external and internal threats.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:09:50 PM, Betty wrote:
> Are they ruined or will this make them more popular?

Do you really care?!

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Are they ruined or will this make them more popular?

Betty

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Tushar:

>Rashmi--this is one of the best howlers I have come across.
>No offense ... It is the "book about completing and balancing"
>or some such. From which it got translated to "Liber algebrae
>et almucabala".

That part of my brain is dead or dormant - I was thrilled to
recognize fragments of the title.

Which reminds me, say Richard, have you read Orhan Pamuk's
"My Name is Red". I've pushed this book a lot on the list but
not since your return.

>But we should probably burn it just to be safe ...

here here

-rashmi

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >I heard that one Tupelo radio station is refusing to play them.  As I
> >said earlier, this country is becoming a very scary place to live.  I
> >wonder if ordinary Germans felt this way in the late '30s.
>
> Are you serious???

I'm not sure which part your question is about -- the Tupelo radio
station or my worry about the country.  But I guess it doesn't matter
since the answer is yes in either case.

--
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On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I heard that one Tupelo radio station is refusing to play them.  As I
>said earlier, this country is becoming a very scary place to live.  I
>wonder if ordinary Germans felt this way in the late '30s.

Are you serious???

Bethany

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Espen Ore wrote:

> 06:13 17.03.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
>
>>Espen Ore wrote:
>>
>>>Is Rouvalis a common name? There is a Vassilis Rouvalis who is working on web-pages (or a book?) on castles on the Peloponnese.
>>>
>>
>>No, it isn't a common name.  We're all related.  Vassilis is
>>my cousin.  The book is finished -- I think it is in Greek
>>and German.  The web page has been languishing for quite
>>some time.
>>
>
> I may try to find it in Athens later this year. Last year we visited some of the Venetian castles (Koroni and Mothoni) and every time I have been to the Peloponnese I have seen the "frankish" ruins. Last year we stopped for a short time in Karitena and were impressed by both the town and the castle - this is where Kolokotronis held out I believe.
>


I'm sure he'd be happy to let you know where it is.  I owe him
  email.

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clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 08:34 PM 3/16/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:

>>       Is Xity where Xena comes from?

>Well, it's all mythological...

No wonder the right wing is in such ascendancy. It's a direct
backlash to this kind of elitist snobbery.

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:31:58 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> But we may not.  I see no reason not to say it the way I said it.

The sky may fall, too, Chicken Little.

Karen

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        At least now we know who is for the war.  I was confused
about that since everyone I know is against it.  It's those
perverse country music fans.

        Parent-Teacher conferences are going to be the death of me.

Karen Kay wrote:

> Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:09:50 PM, Betty wrote:
>
>>Are they ruined or will this make them more popular?
>>
>
> Do you really care?!
>
>

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At 09:15 PM 3/17/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:09:50 PM, Betty wrote:
> > Are they ruined or will this make them more popular?
>
>Do you really care?!


Yes. I like them.

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:37:08 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         At least now we know who is for the war.  I was confused
> about that since everyone I know is against it.  It's those
> perverse country music fans.

But the musicians themselves are anti.:)

>         Parent-Teacher conferences are going to be the death of me.

I hope not!

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:42:11 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 09:15 PM 3/17/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:09:50 PM, Betty wrote:
>> > Are they ruined or will this make them more popular?
>>
>>Do you really care?!


> Yes. I like them.

I do, too. I think they'll be okay.

Karen

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > But more to the point, I find the current situation(s) scarier than
> > anything I've ever experienced before.  The (s) means both external
> > and internal threats.
>
> Then say that. Don't say "we may not have another election".

But we may not.  I see no reason not to say it the way I said it.

--
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02003-03-17 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> I remember that when I said shortly after 9/11 that things wouldn't be
> the same, you scoffed at that thought and asked what had changed in my
> life.  Well, various things have changed for me and for millions of
> other people.  I can't take my manicure kit onto an airplane, to name
> one example.

Got a better one? We really need a better one. "Things are not the same"
month after month ... jeeze.

> But more to the point, I find the current situation(s) scarier than
> anything I've ever experienced before.  The (s) means both external
> and internal threats.

Then say that. Don't say "we may not have another election".

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>
>> At 08:34 PM 3/16/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>       Is Xity where Xena comes from?
>>
>
>> Well, it's all mythological...
>
>
> No wonder the right wing is in such ascendancy. It's a direct
> backlash to this kind of elitist snobbery.


        I dunno. I don't have any problem in knowing that my
religious tendencies aren't very logical... I mean, faith is
all about believing what can't be proven.  I gave up trying
to be sensible about it a long time ago and I just accept
that I'm superstitious.  I guess it could be snobbery to be
able to frame my belief system in a discussion of mythology,
but I don't see any real conflict in that.

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02003-03-17 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:37:08 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >         At least now we know who is for the war.  I was confused
> > about that since everyone I know is against it.  It's those
> > perverse country music fans.
>
> But the musicians themselves are anti.:)

Fans are for it? Or radio stations are "for it", due to ... well,
being media?

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:44:01 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-17 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:37:08 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>> >         At least now we know who is for the war.  I was confused
>> > about that since everyone I know is against it.  It's those
>> > perverse country music fans.
>>
>> But the musicians themselves are anti.:)

> Fans are for it? Or radio stations are "for it", due to ... well,
> being media?

No, fans are for it. They are mad at the Ch*x and have started
destroying CDs, stuff like that.

What will I do if Akbar can't come back from Canada?!

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:37:08 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        At least now we know who is for the war.  I was confused
>>about that since everyone I know is against it.  It's those
>>perverse country music fans.
>>
>
> But the musicians themselves are anti.:)


        Artists are more sensible about these things :).


>
>>        Parent-Teacher conferences are going to be the death of me.
>>
>
> I hope not!
>


        I just had a bowl of ice cream, and that helped my throat.
But teaching all day and then talking to 50+ parents is
grueling.  I have really good parents, and I have great
students, but enough is enough.

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:48:02 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         I just had a bowl of ice cream, and that helped my throat.
> But teaching all day and then talking to 50+ parents is
> grueling.  I have really good parents, and I have great
> students, but enough is enough.

Yes. Do you have to teach tomorrow?

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Karen:

> >         At least now we know who is for the war.  I was confused
> > about that since everyone I know is against it.  It's those
> > perverse country music fans.

>But the musicians themselves are anti.:)

No! Country musicians are totally pro-war. Remember that song Sylvia
posted about kicking Saddam's ass for 9-11 - That sums up the general
sentiment of country musicians I think. (The deejays at the "alternative"
music station I listen to all seem pretty pro-war.)

> > Yes. I like them.

>I do, too.

I don't. I tried listening but couldn't take it.

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Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:49:50 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Karen:
>>But the musicians themselves are anti.:)

> No! Country musicians are totally pro-war.

No. Otherwise the Dixie Chicks wouldn't be in trouble.

> I don't. I tried listening but couldn't take it.

You don't think Earl had to die?

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--On Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:46 PM -0600 Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
wrote:

> What will I do if Akbar can't come back from Canada?!

You will send him the biggest Congratulations card you can find.  This
would be a dream come true for him.

Terry

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My credit card company sent me e-mail telling me they'll generate
fake credit card numbers for me to use online. Has anyone else
done this?

Karen

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In a message dated 3/17/2003 7:28:17 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<  "What if
some other countries went to the UN with a request that the US destroy
its weapons of mass destruction immediately or be disarmed by attack?" >>

I've been saying this for a long time, too, but not getting much support for
it.
I was hearing pretty much the same question when I was listening to Charli
Rose on PBS tonight. They were saying, among other things, that you cannot
force democracy.
That that has never worked, and that it can only be achieved by peaceful
means.
It was also brought up that if we become *too powerful* by this war, that
many countries will increase their ability to have the power to destroy the
US, in case we decide to dictate some other country to subject it to our
wishes. I was happy to hear that at least *some* intelligent people were also
against it. I remember the interview with Dan Rather with Sadaam some time
ago, in which he promised that if any nation was going to attack his country,
that he would not hesitate to use whatever force he had left on them. They
also mentioned that many other countries would increase their amount of
weapons, *just in case* :-{
Theo

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Karen Kay:
= My credit card company sent me e-mail telling me they'll generate
= fake credit card numbers for me to use online. Has anyone else
= done this?
=

Does the email ask you to tell them your credit card number?
(IOW, are you sure this mail is from your credit card company?)

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         At least now we know who is for the war.  I was confused
> about that since everyone I know is against it.

Bonnie has said she's for it.  I don't remember whether JMW has said it
directly, but I think he's for it.  So that's two more people you know.
I know a third -- the Telecomm window person who said that the federal
deficit is Clinton's fault and that she's surprised God hasn't struck us
down for the sin in this country and that attacking Iraq is the right
thing to do because of planes crashing into buildings in NY and because
Dubya wouldn't be for this war unless it was right.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:48:02 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        I just had a bowl of ice cream, and that helped my throat.
>>But teaching all day and then talking to 50+ parents is
>>grueling.  I have really good parents, and I have great
>>students, but enough is enough.
>>
>
> Yes. Do you have to teach tomorrow?


        Oh yes.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/18/opinion/18TUE1.html

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-17 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>
>>Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:37:08 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>        At least now we know who is for the war.  I was confused
>>>about that since everyone I know is against it.  It's those
>>>perverse country music fans.
>>>
>>But the musicians themselves are anti.:)
>>
>
> Fans are for it? Or radio stations are "for it", due to ... well,
> being media?
>

        I'm not sure how it works.  The station I listen to the most
seems divided down the middle in terms of the on-air talent.

        The morning show I despise (I like the format, so the station
is on my presets for the rest of the day) is for the war,
but they're gross -- I think they're goal is to be the
Christan Don Imus.

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>Bonnie has said she's for it.  I don't remember whether JMW has said it
>directly, but I think he's for it.     -- Natalie

I did not say that. I am in fact very much against this war.   I may join
the peace people on our village green who plan to meet at 5 p.m. on the day
the bombs begin to fall.


    --bonniev

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Karen:

> >>But the musicians themselves are anti.:)

> > No! Country musicians are totally pro-war.

>No. Otherwise the Dixie Chicks wouldn't be in trouble.

I don't get it. Dixie Chicks were critical of Bush which is rare
in country music that's why they're in trouble.

-rashmi

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bonniev wrote:
> I did not say that. I am in fact very much against this war.   I may join
> the peace people on our village green who plan to meet at 5 p.m. on the day
> the bombs begin to fall.

Obviously my memory is screwy.  I thought you had said that listening to
people like Alyce and me talking against the war had made you change
your mind and be in favor of it -- something about being a repeat of
what happened with you re the first Gulf War -- that you had started out
against it but changed to being in favor of it because you didn't like
hearing your rowing partner promoting peace.  The reason that
(apparently flawed) memory stuck in my head was that I thought it was
not a very intelligent means of arriving at beliefs.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 3/18/2003 2:39:03 AM Central Standard Time,
stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM writes:


>
> Karen Kay:
> = My credit card company sent me e-mail telling me they'll generate
> = fake credit card numbers for me to use online. Has anyone else
> = done this?
> =
>
> Does the email ask you to tell them your credit card number?
> (IOW, are you sure this mail is from your credit card company?)
>

My thought too.  I just had one of those from Pay Pal
and it's spam.  I'm still getting the bad eBay spam.

                      = D. M.

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 2:29:37 AM, steph wrote:
> Karen Kay:
> = My credit card company sent me e-mail telling me they'll generate
> = fake credit card numbers for me to use online. Has anyone else
> = done this?
> =

> Does the email ask you to tell them your credit card number?
> (IOW, are you sure this mail is from your credit card company?)

Yes. It tells me to go to the website where I pay my bills. I'm
not concerned about that, it's just the whole procedure that
sounds odd.

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 5:49:00 AM, Rita Chapman wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:48:02 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>        I just had a bowl of ice cream, and that helped my throat.
>>>But teaching all day and then talking to 50+ parents is
>>>grueling.  I have really good parents, and I have great
>>>students, but enough is enough.
>>>
>>
>> Yes. Do you have to teach tomorrow?


>         Oh yes.

Oh, god. Good luck.

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Dixie Chicks

Fans on tractors smash Dixie Chicks CDs to support Bush
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030317/ap_wo_en_ge/na_a_e_cel_mus_us_people_dixie_chicks_2

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:30:52 AM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Karen:
>> >>But the musicians themselves are anti.:)

>> > No! Country musicians are totally pro-war.

>>No. Otherwise the Dixie Chicks wouldn't be in trouble.

> I don't get it. Dixie Chicks were critical of Bush which is rare
> in country music that's why they're in trouble.

"totally" isn't the same as "mostly".

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Happy Purim!!

Story is  http://www.holidays.net/purim/story2.htm


alec

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15:51 17.03.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>> How many of these countries did see the light of
>> democracy and the respect of human rights as a
>> result of the bombings?

Such as Chile in 1973?

Espen

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> Are they ruined or will this make them more popular?

Why'd she stop at Texas?  Why didn't she apologize
on behalf of all of Western Civilization?

(Surprisingly, googling on "natalie maines bush"
got me the information I was looking for.)

--
Richard             patseph day

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>have you read Orhan Pamuk's "My Name is Red".

I'll add it to my list.

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> No wonder the right wing is in such ascendancy. It's
> a direct backlash to this kind of elitist snobbery.

Don't feed the troll, Rashmi.

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>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 10:19 AM
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>
>> Are they ruined or will this make them more popular?
>
>Why'd she stop at Texas?  Why didn't she apologize
>on behalf of all of Western Civilization?
>
>(Surprisingly, googling on "natalie maines bush"
>got me the information I was looking for.)
>
>--
>Richard             patseph day
>

Why are you surprised ? What information were you expecting?


alec

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On Tuesday, March 18, 2003 at 8:13, Karen Kay wrote:

> > = My credit card company sent me e-mail telling me they'll generate
> > = fake credit card numbers for me to use online. Has anyone else
> > = done this?

> > Does the email ask you to tell them your credit card number?
> > (IOW, are you sure this mail is from your credit card company?)
>
> Yes. It tells me to go to the website where I pay my bills. I'm
> not concerned about that, it's just the whole procedure that
> sounds odd.

What do you find odd about it? The idea's been around for a couple of
years - I think Amex started it. Of course it doesn't protect *you*
against much; it protects the CC company.

Tony H.
"It's for your own protection..."

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My quote for the week.


''There was never a good war or a bad peace.'' - Benjamin Franklin

alec

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 9:35:30 AM, Tony Harminc wrote:
> What do you find odd about it? The idea's been around for a couple of
> years - I think Amex started it. Of course it doesn't protect *you*
> against much; it protects the CC company.

Maybe that's why it sounds odd to me; I was trying to figure out
the benefit for me.:)

Has anyone had trouble ordering over the internet?

Karen

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alec:
> Why are you surprised ? What information were you expecting?

I expected to have to wade through pages of
URLs for commercial pr0n sites.

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http://tinyurl.com/7pa4

Karen

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Alec D. Plotkin writes,

>''There was never a good war or a bad peace.'' - Benjamin Franklin

Duke of Wellington after Waterloo: "Nothing except a battle lost can be
half as melancholy as a battle won."

 From a report by BBC correspondent in Amman, reflecting on the coming war:
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/from_our_own_correspondent/2851567.stm>

Pete

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I never heard of it till today. Thought that some of you might be
interested, despite the fact that this article is quite long. It is not
clear to me what Manga and Anime are. Does someone understand?

alyce
=======

http://publishersweekly.reviewsnews.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA284758&display=breakingNews

Manga Sales Just Keep Rising by Heidi MacDonald -- 3/17/2003
News >

Manga publishers scramble to meet a steady rise in demand

Manga continues to be one of the hottest categories in bookstores, and
publishers are responding to the demand with both new product
and new marketing tools. Manga, like Japanese anime before it, is
gradually evolving from a hard-core cult obsession to the kind of
mainstream phenomenon that teens and young adults adopt as their own.

The strength of manga's appeal becomes apparent when you consider that
most of the top-selling books are printed in the original
Japanese right-to-left format. Not only do readers have to relearn how
to read comics, they have to relearn how to read a book. But
the audience has not been intimidated, and more publishers are going to
what is being called the "authentic Japanese" format, which
has been aggressively championed by Tokyopop.

Dark Horse, a longtime American publisher of manga, has traditionally
reversed film in order to offer Western-style left-to-right
editions. Dark Horse v-p of sales and marketing Michael Martens confirms
the company's change to the right-to-left format, although
series already started in the left-to-right format will stay that way.

Although relatively new, Tokyopop manga titles are dominating the weekly
Bookscan charts. Steve Kleckner, v-p of sales and marketing
at Tokyopop, reports that sales doubled last year, and he expect them to
double again this year as title output increases from 300
to 500. Dark Horse enjoys steady sales from a line of proven classics,
such as Astro Boy, Akira, Ghost in the Shell and Lone Wolf
and Cub, which has over half a million copies of its 20 volumes in
print.

Viz, which pioneered manga in the American market, recently underwent a
reorganization after being acquired by Shueisha, publisher
of Shonen Jump, the biggest manga magazine in Japan. The American
version of Shonen Jump was launched ambitiously last year, and has
sold well on newsstands.

Viz v-p of marketing Liza Coppola points out that the audience is often
highly educated about products that haven't even made it to
America yet. She noted, "These are fans that know exactly what they
want. As soon as the property is announced, they know when it's
coming." Viz's plan for the coming year include a line of Shonen Jump
graphic novels, spun off from the magazine and featuring such
franchise characters as Yu-Gi-Oh and Dragonball Z. This summer, Viz will
launch the cult favorite Excel Saga. Overall, Viz is
de-emphasizing monthly periodical comics in favor of graphic novels and
the house has reduced the prices on its graphic novels to
$7.95, to be more competitive with Tokyopop. (Dark Horse is also
bringing down prices, although not much below $13.95.)

Raijin launched last year with a weekly comics magazine featuring more
boy-oriented fare. While sales to specialty stores for Raijin
magazine remain modest, the revamped graphic novel treatment of Fist of
the Northstar , which is serialized in the magazine, has
found success in bookstores and more graphic novels are planned. Success
breeds imitation. Marvel, Image and DC have also jumped
into the fray with projects ranging from Marvel's recently announced
Tsunami line (News, Feb. 3) to DC's American manga edition of
Kia Asamiya's Batman: Child of Dreams.

This year, manga publishers are moving in all sorts of directions. Dark
Horse just launched Man-Machine Interface, the eagerly
awaited sequel to the bestselling 1995 Ghost in the Shell. DH is
introducing Metropolis, Lost World and Future World by Osamu
Tezuka, the legendary manga artist known as the "Walt Disney of Japan."
Beyond that, DH has several new licenses about to be signed,
many of them already well known in the United States from either video
anime releases or live-action films. DH is also developing
manga versions of American comics, according to Martens.

Kleckner ascribes the success of Tokyopop's manga line to strong
licenses, which include top sellers Chobits and Love Hina. "I am
still amazed every week at how well the books are performing across the
board, not just with women but with males as well, and a lot
of that is the CLAMP stuff," he said.

CLAMP is a collective of women artists and writers who are responsible
for such hits on both sides of the Pacific as Chobits and
Cardcaptor Sakura. Later this year, Tokyo Pop will release CLAMP School
Detectives, Duklyon: CLAMP School Defenders and The Man of
Many Faces, all with various school settings. Tokyopop is also
publishing Battle Royale, a Lord of the Flies like tale about
students competing to survive on an island; it's already created a
sensation in Japan.

Tokyopop's young-reader-friendly Cine-manga line of storyboard-style
(books made from images from the animated films) licensed books
recently added Disney's Kim Possible and Lizzie McGuire, and
Nickelodeon's Sponge Bob Square Pants and Jimmy Neutron to the lineup.
Kim Possible is already doing very well in bookstores, "without any
display and without any promotions. It's just on the shelves,"
Kleckner points out.

The Cine-manga books are also being launched into Target and Wal-Mart
(one manga title, the epic fantasy Rave Master , is also being
introduced into Target); Kleckner views the move as experimental. And
Tokyopop is looking at other nontraditional outlets, said
Kleckner, "retail places that never carried books before, but that
appeal to young customers, like video game dealers."

Although manga is a hot category, it still hasn't reached mass market
numbers. "We're not going to scare John Grisham, but the
numbers are really solid," said one marketing executive. But returns
continue to be phenomenally low. "Our sell-through has been
really good," said Martens at Dark Horse. Tokyopop's returns are about
8%, which suggests there may not be enough product on the
shelves. "My goal," said Kleckner, "is double-digits in returns." "We
need to demystify the category," said Martens. "It's a format,
not a genre."

And while librarians have been very receptive, Martens noted, he and
Kleckner emphasized that are still some doubters. "I still run
into a lot of people in the book business who are convinced this is just
a fad and it's gong to go away in a year or so. How wrong
they are," said Kleckner, whose background includes many years in
electronics retail and the video game industry. He points to such
kids' properties as Pokimon and Yu-Gi-Oh and noted that when one fad
fades, another takes its place. "It's like video games do you
think there isn't going to be a another hot racing game in a year? This
is not going away."

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 10:10:10 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> I never heard of it till today. Thought that some of you might be
> interested, despite the fact that this article is quite long. It is not
> clear to me what Manga and Anime are. Does someone understand?

Anime are animated movies.

Manga are Japanese 'comic books'.

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Manga are what you read when you're waiting for your food to be
served in a Japanese restaurant. (This is one thing I miss about
Japan--you don't have to bring your own reading material.) You'll
see a table of 4 people, and all of them are reading... Unlike
this country, where restaurant reading seems to be rare.

Manga can be comic 'novels', but often one manga publication will
have several continuing serials. Also, they are often very
violent and sexually explicit, with busty blonde, blue-eyed women
being raped, etc.

There are books that teach you how to learn Japanese through
manga.

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:25:23 -0500 (EST)
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On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

N> Iow, what I'm wondering is what these people who say "love it or leave
N> it" think one should do. Leave it how?

        What they *think* one should do?  In what way does thinking enter
into it?

N> But when they do, would saying that I agree with the Iraqi foreign
N> minister be treason, resulting in my execution? Doesn't the
N> constitution say that treason is something like "adhering to the
N> enemy"?  Is agreeing with an Iraqi offical "adhering to the enemy"?

        From Article III, Section 3 of the US Constitution: "Treason
against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them,
or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."  Not being
a lawyer, I don't know whether saying that you agree with the Iraqi
foreign minister would count as giving aid or comfort, but I tend to doubt
it -- I think we're talking about actually assisting those who are making
war against the United States.  I mean, what if the Iraqi foreign minister
said that the sky was blue, and I said that I agreed?  Not that
freedom-fries-eating, chix-disc-breaking Merkins wouldn't exercise their
right to throw rotten tomatoes at you anyway.

N> This is a serious question, btw.  I am not principled enough to want to
N> speak my mind if it means I might be beheaded for it.  But I do want to
N> say that whatever it was the Iraqi person said about the "crazy man"
N> rang very true to me.  I trust it's ok to say that now.  Just not
N> tomorrow.

        I doubt that it will be different, legally speaking, tomorrow.  I
could be wrong, but I don't think we'll technically be in a declared war
situation.  That is, I think Congress gave Bush the power to order
military action in Iraq but not to actually declare war.

--
Take care,
Tom Lee (flint@kiva.net)
who doesn't actually know anything anymore

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On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>> >I heard that one Tupelo radio station is refusing to play them.  As I
>> >said earlier, this country is becoming a very scary place to live.  I
>> >wonder if ordinary Germans felt this way in the late '30s.
>>
>> Are you serious???
>
>I'm not sure which part your question is about -- the Tupelo radio
>station or my worry about the country.  But I guess it doesn't matter
>since the answer is yes in either case.

I find it quite scary that you think/imply that the US in 2003 is very
much like Nazi Germany.

Bethany

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Tushar Samant wrote

 Dan comes by and gives me a "Cosmo-
> politan" (Jameson) and when I want to pay him he again joins
> his hands like I am the dalai lama ... And over all this,
> freakin BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY.

It's things like this post that brighten my days.

alyce

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On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

K> My credit card company sent me e-mail telling me they'll generate
K> fake credit card numbers for me to use online. Has anyone else
K> done this?

        I haven't done this, but one of my credit card companies' website
says that I can do this.  They are supposedly one-time-use numbers that
will not work after the single transaction they're intended for.  Whoever
I'm buying from never sees the number that's actually on my credit card
and therefore can't do dishonest things with it.  That's the idea, anyway.

--
Take care,
Tom Lee (flint@kiva.net)
isn't gray plastic amazing?

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> Espen Ore wrote:
> > I may try to find it in Athens later this year. Last year we visited some of the Venetian castles (Koroni and Mothoni) and every time I have been to the Peloponnese I have seen the "frankish" ruins.

In your meanderings, see if you come across any Barozzi castle ruins on
Naxos. Or perhaps a palaszo in Venice. My archaeologist was named
Barozzi as well as Oikonomides. One of his ancestors supplied ships to
the Crusaders, he said, and was rewarded with property.

alyce

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On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

a> I never heard of it till today. Thought that some of you might be
a> interested, despite the fact that this article is quite long. It is not
a> clear to me what Manga and Anime are. Does someone understand?

        "Anime" is just the Japanese word for animation -- animated
drawings of any kind.  In the USA, the word "anime" usually refers to
Japanese animation, whether it be movies, TV shows or direct-to-video
offerings.

        "Manga" is just the Japanese word for serial art, I guess you'd
call it; still drawings arranged in panels that have an order in which
they are to be looked at on the page.  Basically Japanese comic books.

        Though many people talk about the violent pornography available in
manga and anime form, many genres are represented ... science fiction,
sword-and-sorcery, soap operas, Westerns, detective/cop stories,
children's stories, etc.  The simple fact is that in America, when we
think of cartoons and comic books, we think they're meant for children,
even though there are now some that aren't.  In Japan, it is well
understood that there are cartoons and comic books for all ages.  An anime
film is on an equal footing with a live-action film of the same genre.

--
Take care,
Tom Lee (flint@kiva.net)
who has to go to lunch now and not read during it

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 10:45:41 AM, Tom Lee wrote:
>         "Manga" is just the Japanese word for serial art, I guess you'd
> call it; still drawings arranged in panels that have an order in which
> they are to be looked at on the page.  Basically Japanese comic books.

As far as I know, a single cartoon is also a manga, though the
term is most often used for comic books in this country.

>         Though many people talk about the violent pornography available in
> manga and anime form, many genres are represented ... science fiction,
> sword-and-sorcery, soap operas, Westerns, detective/cop stories,
> children's stories, etc.

I hink lumping anime and manga together is a mistake. Anime have
always been more varied than manga IME--though I am not a fan of
either.

> In Japan, it is well understood that there are cartoons and
> comic books for all ages.

More than that, no distinction is made between comic
books/animation and other forms of expression.

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--- alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> wrote:
> I never heard of it till today. Thought that some of
> you might be
> interested, despite the fact that this article is
> quite long. It is not
> clear to me what Manga and Anime are. Does someone
> understand?
>
> alyce
> =======
>
Alyce,
Anime is animated cartoons, with sci-fi or fantasy or
superhero characters, created in Japan (originally).
Think cartoons derived from Godzilla, or Star Wars,
some now very goth and dark, some very beautiful. One
of the best may be "Princess Okon- geez, lost track of
the name (it's on my daughter's shelf at home; when I
get back from Newport I will report). "DragonballZ" is
an americanized watered down version, which you can
see on tv every afternoon. Poke-mon is a 30-yr old
version of the little kid stuff, just imported to the
US a couple of years ago (My sister-in-law Tomoko used
to watch it when she was growing up in Japan). Some of
it is very hot and some is really hokey, and that's
part of it's campy charm.

Manga is the comic book version - some incredible art;
some has traditional themes from Japanese culture,
others are more - generic monster-smashing stuff.
Manga-jin (magazine) is used to teach street or
conversational japanese through clips from Manga - if
you're interested in seeing a variety of samples, you
might find it in academic settings or your local comic
store.

clo

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
> I was happy to hear that at least *some* intelligent people were also
> against it.

What is this? You never heard of any intelligent people on this list who
are against it?

alyce

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 10:55:44 AM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Manga-jin (magazine)

No, manga-zine. Like e-zine.

> is used to teach street or
> conversational japanese through clips from Manga -

This is an excellent, excellent, superb resource.

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--- Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
> Betty wrote:
> >
> > Are they ruined or will this make them more
> popular?
>
> I heard that one Tupelo radio station is refusing to
> play them.  As I
> said earlier, this country is becoming a very scary
> place to live.  I
> wonder if ordinary Germans felt this way in the late
> '30s.

Yes, very much this way to judge from the letters and
comments I have read. And Natalie, re your earlier
comment about disagreeing being equated with betrayal
- there won't be any grandfathering. Everything you or
I or anyone has said that can be construed as harmful
to control and power would be fair game for
prosecution if the country goes in that direction.

Pretending Americans are different and better won't
protect us either.

Where is that War Powers Reversal Bill? What happened
to it?

Does anyone know what's going on with the move to
impeach?
clo

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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:42:11 PM, Betty wrote:
> > At 09:15 PM 3/17/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >>Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:09:50 PM, Betty wrote:
> >> > Are they ruined or will this make them more
> popular?
> >>
> >>Do you really care?!
>
>
> > Yes. I like them.
>
> I do, too. I think they'll be okay.
>
> Karen

They have a pretty good following within the
folk/women's music arena as well; I don't think they'd
be able to do the mega-concerts or have as much money;
but they could still do the black box circuit and so
on  and be pretty popular.
clo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Obviously my memory is screwy.  I thought you had said that listening to
> people like Alyce and me talking against the war had made you change
> your mind and be in favor of it

That was Rashmi who said that.

alyce

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Alyce:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Obviously my memory is screwy.  I thought you had said that listening to
> > people like Alyce and me talking against the war had made you change
> > your mind and be in favor of it

>That was Rashmi who said that.

Wrong. I had already made up my mind. I did say that listening
to Alyce and Natalie would probably swell the ranks of the
pro-war. But Bonnie said I was being mean and I'm now on a
mission to be nice.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> I find it quite scary that you think/imply that the US in 2003 is very
> much like Nazi Germany.

I think/imply the same as Natalie. Is it really scary to you that we
think/imply this? Why? Discuss.'

alyce

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Tom Lee wrote:
>         "Manga" is just the Japanese word for serial art, I guess you'd
> call it; still drawings arranged in panels that have an order in which
> they are to be looked at on the page.

Thanks. IMFTATL.

alyce

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Wrong. I had already made up my mind. I did say that listening
> to Alyce and Natalie would probably swell the ranks of the
> pro-war.

I must have misunderstood. Sorry. Thanks for being n a nice mission
(now).

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
>> >>> Along with Japanese,
>> >>> Hungarian, and Turkish.
>>>
>>> > Hungarian -- yes. The other two -- no.
>>
>>> My bad. They are all Altaic.

Kristin:

>> I must revise my knowledge of language families and sub-families as
well

Karen:

>F-U is included in Altaic.

Karen, as I was quite confused already, I didn't want to argue, or was
not able to, either. But would you mind thinking it over and telling me
whether it is a matter of different classification or what.

What I got to know from my revision: There are Uralic lgs and Altaic
lgs.

Finno-Ugric is a sub-group of Uralic, along with the sub-group of
Samoyed lgs and the Yukagir lg alone.

Altaic group is divided into the Turkish-Tatar, Mongolian,
Tunguz-Manju(correct name?spelling?) and Korean sub-groups. The first
two are quite close to each other, the third one is rather different,
and Korean was not connected with Altaic lgs in earlier classifications
(before 60ies? 70ies? 50ies?).

And then, in my source-book there is a group named Japanese/Japan
languages which includes only two languages: Japanese and Ryukyu or
Lyukyu (spelling?).

As you are an expert in Japanese I readily believe that your statement
of Japanese belonging into the Altaic family is correct, and I guess,
this must be a matter of different classifications. As to the one about
Finno-Ugric lgs being included into Altaic I am not sure of (aamf, hard
to believe it).

Kristin

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02003-03-18 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote
>
>  Dan comes by and gives me a "Cosmo-
> > politan" (Jameson) and when I want to pay him he again joins
> > his hands like I am the dalai lama ... And over all this,
> > freakin BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY.
>
> It's things like this post that brighten my days.

Well Alyce, at the risk of sounding like a pompous ass, let me say that
this IS how life is "over here". It hasn't changed one bit. Maybe a new
era of worldwide rampage and a constant "Israeli" existence under orange
alert was inaugurated yesterday--but if so it won't make its effects felt
for a while. It's not correct--though it may be attractive--to think we
are living in a twilight before the dark. We simply are not ...

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02003-03-18 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Obviously my memory is screwy.  I thought you had said that listening to
> people like Alyce and me talking against the war had made you change
> your mind and be in favor of it -- something about being a repeat of
> what happened with you re the first Gulf War -- that you had started out
> against it but changed to being in favor of it because you didn't like
> hearing your rowing partner promoting peace.

Dr Voigtlander likes to pull a flea-bitten old rabbit out of tattered
old hat ... perhaps the little staged "change of mind" succeeds with
freshmen taking philosophy, but we need new dramas now and Dr V won't
do it. ALAS!

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alyce:
>>I find it quite scary that you think/imply that the US in 2003 is very
>>much like Nazi Germany.
>I think/imply the same as Natalie. Is it really scary to you that we
>think/imply this? Why? Discuss.'

Before the discussion begins, I have a question.

In what specific way(s) is the United States, in
mid-March, 2003, "very much" like Nazi Germany?

--
Richard             patseph day

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At 02:53 PM 3/15/2003 -0500, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>In a message dated 3/15/2003 6:08:42 AM, dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:
>
><< Ooops, I meant Give me a brake! Stop it! You are a prissy spellchecker -
>it's fine for you to have a hobby, but the rest of us are not required to
>have the same one.
>
>Bethany
>
>  >>
>
>All it shows is that you are an ignorant person who can't spell. If you can
>live with that, be my guest, but I choose not to, and that's MY privilege.
>And that's the last time I'm going to waste my time on the subject. All I
>would like to add is that my children learned how to spell correctly, because
>I paid attention to their school learnings when they attended school. My
>oldest is a teacher too, and I'm sure she pays a lot of attention to what her
>pupils are doing. because that's what they need when they are going out into
>the world to make a living. Theo

hahaha this is hysterical.

I can't spell for shit and my grammar is terrible. I've been criticized for
it many times on this list. It's never stopped me from continuing on
though. More importantly, to me, despite my obvious ignorance and lowly BA
in Poli Sci I make a good living. I bet I even make more than your daughter
and her perfect spelling. It could even be that I make twice as much as her.

You don't gotta bee smart or no how two spell in oder to make a liveing.

lisa

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>            patseph day

I keep reading this as "patnsteph" day.

-rashmi


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In a message dated 3/18/2003 10:17:22 AM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< What is this? You never heard of any intelligent people on this list who
are against it?

alyce

 >>

Alyce, I was not referring to this list, only to the general public in this
country. I had always assumed that the people making up our government were
*thinking* people, but I've yet to hear one of them protesting this war.
Perhaps I haven't paid close attention, and some of them have indeed done so,
but as far as I know the general press has not made it known. They have
reported on the British doing so, though.
Do you understand what I'm saying? BTW, Evelyn told me that she thinks you
are nice too :-} Theo

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02003-03-18 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >           patseph day
>
> I keep reading this as "patnsteph" day.

Please, not THIS positive of a frame of mind ... It's giving
me flashbacks to the lovey dovey 1993 Akbar and Jeff crap ...

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 2:58:55 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-18 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>> >           patseph day
>>
>> I keep reading this as "patnsteph" day.

> Please, not THIS positive of a frame of mind ... It's giving
> me flashbacks to the lovey dovey 1993 Akbar and Jeff crap ...

Please! We are SO 21st century.

Btw, Akbar should be back tonight--I (selfishly) have my fingers
crossed.

Karen

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On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

>> I find it quite scary that you think/imply that the US in 2003 is very
>> much like Nazi Germany.
>
>I think/imply the same as Natalie. Is it really scary to you that we
>think/imply this? Why? Discuss.'

It suggests to me that you know very little about history. And I believe
that in fact those of us who do not remember are condemned to repeat ....
and I find that prospect VERY scary indeed.

Bethany

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 1:41:28 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> As you are an expert in Japanese I readily believe that your statement
> of Japanese belonging into the Altaic family is correct, and I guess,
> this must be a matter of different classifications. As to the one about
> Finno-Ugric lgs being included into Altaic I am not sure of (aamf, hard
> to believe it).

Hungarian and Japanese are frighteningly close. (I was a teaching
assistant for a woman who gave Hungarian examples for everything
she taught.)

Kristin, people argue about where Japanese belongs. It's a
favorite topic of conversation among Japanese linguists. It
doesn't really matter, and you may not believe it, that's fine.

Karen

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At 06:33 PM 3/18/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Alyce:
>>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > Obviously my memory is screwy.  I thought you had said that listening to
>> > people like Alyce and me talking against the war had made you change
>> > your mind and be in favor of it
>
>>That was Rashmi who said that.
>
>Wrong. I had already made up my mind. I did say that listening
>to Alyce and Natalie would probably swell the ranks of the
>pro-war. But Bonnie said I was being mean and I'm now on a
>mission to be nice.
>
>-rashmi



Don't do it, Rashmi.  Pretty soon we'll have the whole list sending hugs
and kisses to each other and calling pet names.  <gag>

Betty

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 3:29:33 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> Don't do it, Rashmi.  Pretty soon we'll have the whole list sending hugs
> and kisses to each other and calling pet names.  <gag>

I love you, Bad Betty. <smooch!>

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Tushar:

>What about the nerd invasion underway right now, with people
>talking about induction and piano etc? That's not annoying?

Nah, it takes me back to 1991. I cared about this stuff back
then. Now I treat it with an indulgent smile.

-rashmi, old'n'jaded ex-nerd


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lisa alfieri wrote:


> I can't spell for shit and my grammar is terrible. I've been criticized for
> it many times on this list. It's never stopped me from continuing on
> though. More importantly, to me, despite my obvious ignorance and lowly BA
> in Poli Sci I make a good living. I bet I even make more than your daughter
> and her perfect spelling. It could even be that I make twice as much as
> her.


        Yeah, rub it in Lisa.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 5:49:00 AM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>
>>>Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:48:02 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>       I just had a bowl of ice cream, and that helped my throat.
>>>>But teaching all day and then talking to 50+ parents is
>>>>grueling.  I have really good parents, and I have great
>>>>students, but enough is enough.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Yes. Do you have to teach tomorrow?
>>>
>
>
>>        Oh yes.
>>
>
> Oh, god. Good luck.


        I stumbled through.  Two more days until spring break!

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02003-03-18 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> lisa alfieri wrote:
>
>
> >I can't spell for shit and my grammar is terrible. I've been criticized for
> >it many times on this list. It's never stopped me from continuing on
> >though. More importantly, to me, despite my obvious ignorance and lowly BA
> >in Poli Sci I make a good living. I bet I even make more than your daughter
> >and her perfect spelling. It could even be that I make twice as much as
> >her.
>
>        Yeah, rub it in Lisa.

You missed a COMMA! Idiot! Excuse me all to pieces!

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        At least now we know who is for the war.  I was confused
>>about that since everyone I know is against it.
>>
>
> Bonnie has said she's for it.  I don't remember whether JMW has said it
> directly, but I think he's for it.  So that's two more people you know.
> I know a third -- the Telecomm window person who said that the federal
> deficit is Clinton's fault and that she's surprised God hasn't struck us
> down for the sin in this country and that attacking Iraq is the right
> thing to do because of planes crashing into buildings in NY and because
> Dubya wouldn't be for this war unless it was right.


        I run in reasonably intelligent circles, I guess.  I didn't
thing of JMW, probably because he seems to be for any sort
of thing military action.  Or at least I can't think of one
he's been against.

        There are days I wish God would strike me down.

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At 03:39 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 3:29:33 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> > Don't do it, Rashmi.  Pretty soon we'll have the whole list sending hugs
> > and kisses to each other and calling pet names.  <gag>
>
>I love you, Bad Betty. <smooch!>


SLAP!!!!!!!


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Many people I know are either in the gung-ho "let's go kick ass"
or "let's get this over with" camp - some flavor of pro-war,
I guess. The doubts I hear expressed are that "we'll go in
and not find any chemicals or nucular weapons and that'll make
us look bad". I keep pointing out that if that were the case
the CIA/Army will prolly plant some incriminating evidence,
so no worries there.

-rashmi, one step ahead of the conspiracy theorists



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I set up a personality within my Eudora so that I can get the Heartside
Inn's mail for the next two weeks.   It works nicely.   But I just now
discovered that I can't send mail as the Hearthside.   How come?   Any help
for me out there??

    --bonniev

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 4:27:43 PM, bonniev wrote:
> I set up a personality within my Eudora so that I can get the Heartside
> Inn's mail for the next two weeks.   It works nicely.   But I just now
> discovered that I can't send mail as the Hearthside.   How come?   Any help
> for me out there??

Your personality is incomplete!

I don't have Eudora, but can't you just change the 'from' name?

Karen

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02003-03-18 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 03:39 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 3:29:33 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> >> Don't do it, Rashmi.  Pretty soon we'll have the whole list sending hugs
> >> and kisses to each other and calling pet names.  <gag>
> >
> >I love you, Bad Betty. <smooch!>
>
>
> SLAP!!!!!!!

I LOVE ice queens sometimes!

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> > discovered that I can't send mail as the Hearthside.   How come?   Any help
> > for me out there??
>
>Your personality is incomplete!

I don't think it is.

>I don't have Eudora, but can't you just change the 'from' name?
>Karen

Sure.  But then it would still be coming from my email address instead of
theirs.  I can do it.  And that is in fact what I did to answer the one
info request I've had so far.  But I would rather that the responses came
from their email address.


    --bonniev

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 5:13:16 PM, bonniev wrote:
>> > discovered that I can't send mail as the Hearthside.   How come?   Any help
>> > for me out there??
>>
>>Your personality is incomplete!

> I don't think it is.

>>I don't have Eudora, but can't you just change the 'from' name?
>>Karen

> Sure.  But then it would still be coming from my email address instead of
> theirs.

I don't understand.

>  I can do it.  And that is in fact what I did to answer the one
> info request I've had so far.  But I would rather that the responses came
> from their email address.

Fer sure.

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02003-03-18 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >Your personality is incomplete!
>
> I don't think it is.

There is an old Latin joke: Who shall K-R-N the K-R-Ns themselves?

> >I don't have Eudora, but can't you just change the 'from' name?
> >Karen
>
> Sure.  But then it would still be coming from my email address instead of
> theirs.  I can do it.  And that is in fact what I did to answer the one
> info request I've had so far.  But I would rather that the responses came
> from their email address.

Maybe she means there is a "From" in the personality itself.
And possible a Reply-To, and maybe even Sender. I'd set these
to Hearthside in the personality.

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 5:20:13 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
>>>I don't have Eudora, but can't you just change the 'from' name?
>>>Karen

>> Sure.  But then it would still be coming from my email address instead of
>> theirs.

> I don't understand.

>>  I can do it.  And that is in fact what I did to answer the one
>> info request I've had so far.  But I would rather that the responses came
>> from their email address.

> Fer sure.

I still don't understand. But I can tell you how I have my
account on The Bat! set up. I suck mail from my ISP in CA, but I
send it out via my ISP here, because that's how I'm connected. I
do that by setting up the SMTP as the local ISP, and the 'from'
address as my CA address.

Karen

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>  It's not correct--though it may be attractive--to think we
> are living in a twilight before the dark. We simply are not ...

Oh! But I was complimenting you and thanking you for the wondrous way in
which you share your life. That particular post had nothing to do with
orange alerts and the end of the world.

alyce


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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 5:22:09 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-18 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
>> >Your personality is incomplete!
>>
>> I don't think it is.

> There is an old Latin joke: Who shall K-R-N the K-R-Ns themselves?

>> >I don't have Eudora, but can't you just change the 'from' name?
>> >Karen
>>
>> Sure.  But then it would still be coming from my email address instead of
>> theirs.  I can do it.  And that is in fact what I did to answer the one
>> info request I've had so far.  But I would rather that the responses came
>> from their email address.

> Maybe she means there is a "From" in the personality itself.
> And possible a Reply-To, and maybe even Sender. I'd set these
> to Hearthside in the personality.

So in essence what you're saying is that her personality is
incomplete...

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02003-03-18 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >  It's not correct--though it may be attractive--to think we
> > are living in a twilight before the dark. We simply are not ...
>
> Oh! But I was complimenting you and thanking you for the wondrous way in
> which you share your life. That particular post had nothing to do with
> orange alerts and the end of the world.

Hehehe ... I'm just saying, you know?

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In fact, apart from Don Adriano de Armado, a fantastical Spaniard,
they might be the original pimps:

http://www.neonatology.org/pearls/pimping.html

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02003-03-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 5:22:09 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-03-18 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >> >Your personality is incomplete!
> >>
> >> I don't think it is.
>
> > There is an old Latin joke: Who shall K-R-N the K-R-Ns themselves?
>
> >> >I don't have Eudora, but can't you just change the 'from' name?
> >> >Karen
> >>
> >> Sure.  But then it would still be coming from my email address instead of
> >> theirs.  I can do it.  And that is in fact what I did to answer the one
> >> info request I've had so far.  But I would rather that the responses came
> >> from their email address.
>
> > Maybe she means there is a "From" in the personality itself.
> > And possible a Reply-To, and maybe even Sender. I'd set these
> > to Hearthside in the personality.
>
> So in essence what you're saying is that her personality is
> incomplete...

I don't think so, Karen.

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 5:31:25 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> In fact, apart from Don Adriano de Armado, a fantastical Spaniard,
> they might be the original pimps:

> http://www.neonatology.org/pearls/pimping.html

I love you, Tushar. <smooooooch!>

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> > Sure.  But then it would still be coming from my email address instead of
> > theirs.
>
>I don't understand.

O.k.   I changed my own settings to look theirs.   Can you still tell it is
really me?

Hearthside Inn
7 High Street
Bar Harbor, Maine 04609
207 288 1019
www.hearthsideinn.com

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 5:24:54 PM, Hearthside Inn wrote:

>> > Sure.  But then it would still be coming from my email address instead of
>> > theirs.
>>
>>I don't understand.

> O.k.   I changed my own settings to look theirs.   Can you still tell it is
> really me?

> Hearthside Inn
> 7 High Street
> Bar Harbor, Maine 04609
> 207 288 1019
> www.hearthsideinn.com

No. You are listed as X-Sender, but how many people look at
headers?

You can send me private mail, too, if you think the listserv
might have changed something. Karen@wordwrite.com

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02003-03-18 | Hearthside Inn <bears@HEARTHSIDEINN.COM> writes:
> O.k.   I changed my own settings to look theirs.   Can you still tell it is
> really me?

Yes, if you persist in being a pedantic ass:

> X-Sender: bonniev/mail.panax.com@pop3.norton.antivirus

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 >do that by setting up the SMTP as the local ISP, and the 'from'
>address as my CA address.
>Karen

This, I think works.   I have to use my own ISP rather than theirs in the
"general properties" part of the personality.    Thanks.


    --bonniev

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 5:40:09 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-18 | Hearthside Inn <bears@HEARTHSIDEINN.COM> writes:
>> O.k.   I changed my own settings to look theirs.   Can you still tell it is
>> really me?

> Yes, if you persist in being a pedantic ass:

>> X-Sender: bonniev/mail.panax.com@pop3.norton.antivirus

But isn't that as good as it gets in these days of
authentication?

Karen

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 5:32:38 PM, Hearthside Inn wrote:
>  >do that by setting up the SMTP as the local ISP, and the 'from'
>>address as my CA address.
>>Karen

> This, I think works.   I have to use my own ISP rather than theirs in the
> "general properties" part of the personality.    Thanks.

Yep.

You're welcome.

HAHAHA TUSHAR!!!! I RoooL, you drool.

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alyce cresap wrote:
> > Obviously my memory is screwy.  I thought you had said that listening to
> > people like Alyce and me talking against the war had made you change
> > your mind and be in favor of it
>
> That was Rashmi who said that.

Rashmi had a rowing partner who caused her to change her mind about the
first Gulf War because she got tired of listening to his bleeding-heart
liberalism?  I didn't know that Rashmi was a rower.

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:
>
> alyce:
> >>I find it quite scary that you think/imply that the US in 2003 is very
> >>much like Nazi Germany.
> >I think/imply the same as Natalie. Is it really scary to you that we
> >think/imply this? Why? Discuss.'
>
> Before the discussion begins, I have a question.
>
> In what specific way(s) is the United States, in
> mid-March, 2003, "very much" like Nazi Germany?

I don't remember writing that "the US in 2003 is very much like Nazi
Germany."  My memory is of writing something like "I wonder if this is
how the Germans felt in the late '30s."  I do wonder that.  They had a
leader who was into attacking/killing, who spoke to the masses with
sincere tone, etc.  I wonder if the ordinary Germans were feeling
horrified by what their country was doing.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> As you are an expert in Japanese I readily believe that your statement
> of Japanese belonging into the Altaic family is correct, and I guess,
> this must be a matter of different classifications.

I am not an expert in Japanese and of course defer to Karen on this
topic also, but I thought that whether Japanese was Altaic was still
considered debatable.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

>  I had always assumed that the people making up our government were
> *thinking* people, but I've yet to hear one of them protesting this war.

Who all are you including in "people making up our government"?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Kristin, people argue about where Japanese belongs. It's a
> favorite topic of conversation among Japanese linguists. It

Oh good.  I thought maybe I had been <errant> in thinking that it was
still being argued.  Language classifications are not my field at all.
I flirt with them when teaching certain courses but do not consider
myself on top of the latest word.

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bonniev wrote:

> >I don't have Eudora, but can't you just change the 'from' name?
> >Karen
>
> Sure.  But then it would still be coming from my email address instead of
> theirs.  I can do it.  And that is in fact what I did to answer the one
> info request I've had so far.  But I would rather that the responses came
> from their email address.

I'm confused.  I don't understand why changing the identity or whatever
Eudora calls it wouldn't make the e-mail come from the e-mail address
you inserted, except for those eagle-eyes who might study the full
headers and find your ISP's involvement.

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The old building with the most incredible willow in the backyard
(which you can practically touch from the train) now has condos
for sale. If it wasn't for this damned uncertain "work permit"...

Actually, if it wasn't for the astronomical price (which it almost
certainly is) ...

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I still don't understand. But I can tell you how I have my
> account on The Bat! set up. I suck mail from my ISP in CA, but I
> send it out via my ISP here, because that's how I'm connected. I
> do that by setting up the SMTP as the local ISP, and the 'from'
> address as my CA address.

Me too.  I mean my incoming and outgoing things are different.  Because
of the modern world of today in which we live, I have to match my
outgoing mailserver with how I'm connected.  That means I use
mail.bellsouth.net for outgoing mail -- except when it balks, which it
sometimes does, in which case I change the settings to smtp.msstate.edu
and dial the MSU terminal server.  My incoming mail has nothing at all
to do with bellsouth.net.  It comes via wojomedia.com.  Incoming mail
doesn't care how you're connected.
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Hearthside Inn wrote:

> O.k.   I changed my own settings to look theirs.   Can you still tell it is
> really me?

Only because we know you.  A stranger would not know it was you.

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 >> O.k. I changed my own settings to look theirs. Can you still tell it is
 >> really me?     --bonniev/Hearthside Inn

 >Yes, if you persist in being a pedantic ass:
 >> X-Sender: bonniev/mail.panax.com@pop3.norton.antivirus
 >T-Bone

I think I got rid of the X-Sender info as being me.   Thanks Tushar and Karen.

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 6:18:00 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> The old building with the most incredible willow in the backyard
> (which you can practically touch from the train) now has condos
> for sale. If it wasn't for this damned uncertain "work permit"...

> Actually, if it wasn't for the astronomical price (which it almost
> certainly is) ...

Do you want to live that close to the El? People can watch you
eating breakfast in your bathrobe. Or even worse, without!

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 6:16:37 PM, Hearthside B&B wrote:
> I think I got rid of the X-Sender info as being me.   Thanks Tushar and Karen.

Your welcome.

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02003-03-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 6:18:00 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > The old building with the most incredible willow in the backyard
> > (which you can practically touch from the train) now has condos
> > for sale. If it wasn't for this damned uncertain "work permit"...
>
> > Actually, if it wasn't for the astronomical price (which it almost
> > certainly is) ...
>
> Do you want to live that close to the El? People can watch you
> eating breakfast in your bathrobe. Or even worse, without!

I thrive on train sounds, and they are not that loud anyway. As
for people--if they want to lose THEIR breakfast they are free
to do so.

Which brings me to the question of bathrobes--I mean I haven't
figured out what they are for. You take off whatever you were
wearing to bed, you get in the shower, you get out, dry yourself
and put on your clothes. Where does a "bathrobe" come in?

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02003-03-18 | Hearthside B&B <bears@HEARTHSIDEINN.COM> writes:
> I think I got rid of the X-Sender info as being me.

YaY!

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 6:38:38 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Which brings me to the question of bathrobes--I mean I haven't
> figured out what they are for. You take off whatever you were
> wearing to bed, you get in the shower, you get out, dry yourself
> and put on your clothes. Where does a "bathrobe" come in?

A lot of people (like me) don't take a shower as soon as they get
up. It's for post-bed, pre-putting on clothes padding around the
house. Or for post-shower, pre-putting on clothes &c.

Bertie Wooster regularly wore one.

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Here's what I was remembering -- something Bonnie said on Feb. 23:

> The exact same thing is happening to me that happened during the first
> Bush's Gulf War.  I started out against it.  But the more I talked to my
> rowing partner, with his bleeding heart misdirection and stupid
> argumentation, the more I began to be totally in favor of war.
>
> And, like Doris, that's all I have to say about it.  Clearly, your mind is
> made up and you don't want to listen.
>
> --bonniev

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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I've been hearing this word a lot lately. I'm sorry to disappoint
Natalie, but I'm hearing 'opossum' from Texans and NCns and
a mixture of other Yankees and Southerners about 90% of the time.

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At 06:18 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>The old building with the most incredible willow in the backyard
>(which you can practically touch from the train) now has condos
>for sale. If it wasn't for this damned uncertain "work permit"...
>
>Actually, if it wasn't for the astronomical price (which it almost
>certainly is) ...

Check it out.  You may be surprised.  Aren't you making mega bucks?

Betty

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At 06:28 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 6:16:37 PM, Hearthside B&B wrote:
> > I think I got rid of the X-Sender info as being me.   Thanks Tushar and
> Karen.
>
>Your welcome.

Ohmygod!  This is my pet peeve.  Your when you mean you're.  Where did you
get your degree?

Betty

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:07:06 PM, Betty wrote:

> At 06:28 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 6:16:37 PM, Hearthside B&B wrote:
>> > I think I got rid of the X-Sender info as being me.   Thanks Tushar and
>> Karen.
>>
>>Your welcome.

> Ohmygod!  This is my pet peeve.  Your when you mean you're.  Where did you
> get your degree?

Berkeley. HAHAHA!!!

I was afraid no one would fall for my troll.:)

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02003-03-18 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 06:18 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >The old building with the most incredible willow in the backyard
> >(which you can practically touch from the train) now has condos
> >for sale. If it wasn't for this damned uncertain "work permit"...
> >
> >Actually, if it wasn't for the astronomical price (which it almost
> >certainly is) ...
>
> Check it out.  You may be surprised.  Aren't you making mega bucks?

Oh, I am making GIGA bucks, as always! But this is, by a strange
twist of geography, so close to Wrigley field that I dare not even
ask ...

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02003-03-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 6:38:38 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Which brings me to the question of bathrobes--I mean I haven't
> > figured out what they are for. You take off whatever you were
> > wearing to bed, you get in the shower, you get out, dry yourself
> > and put on your clothes. Where does a "bathrobe" come in?
>
> A lot of people (like me) don't take a shower as soon as they get
> up. It's for post-bed, pre-putting on clothes padding around the
> house. Or for post-shower, pre-putting on clothes &c.
>
> Bertie Wooster regularly wore one.

Sounds worse than posting rich.

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:07:16 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Oh, I am making GIGA bucks, as always! But this is, by a strange
> twist of geography, so close to Wrigley field that I dare not even
> ask ...

Will you be able to watch games from your place?

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At 07:04 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:07:06 PM, Betty wrote:
>
> > At 06:28 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 6:16:37 PM, Hearthside B&B wrote:
> >> > I think I got rid of the X-Sender info as being me.   Thanks Tushar and
> >> Karen.
> >>
> >>Your welcome.
>
> > Ohmygod!  This is my pet peeve.  Your when you mean you're.  Where did you
> > get your degree?
>
>Berkeley. HAHAHA!!!
>
>I was afraid no one would fall for my troll.:)


Whew!  I'm easy.

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:09:37 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 6:38:38 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > Which brings me to the question of bathrobes--I mean I haven't
>> > figured out what they are for. You take off whatever you were
>> > wearing to bed, you get in the shower, you get out, dry yourself
>> > and put on your clothes. Where does a "bathrobe" come in?
>>
>> A lot of people (like me) don't take a shower as soon as they get
>> up. It's for post-bed, pre-putting on clothes padding around the
>> house. Or for post-shower, pre-putting on clothes &c.
>>
>> Bertie Wooster regularly wore one.

> Sounds worse than posting rich.

I don't own one.

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At 07:07 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-03-18 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 06:18 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >The old building with the most incredible willow in the backyard
> > >(which you can practically touch from the train) now has condos
> > >for sale. If it wasn't for this damned uncertain "work permit"...
> > >
> > >Actually, if it wasn't for the astronomical price (which it almost
> > >certainly is) ...
> >
> > Check it out.  You may be surprised.  Aren't you making mega bucks?
>
>Oh, I am making GIGA bucks, as always! But this is, by a strange
>twist of geography, so close to Wrigley field that I dare not even
>ask ...

That may be a negative for some.  I get excited when people get their own
places!

Hugs,
Betty

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:13:56 PM, Betty wrote:

> At 07:04 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:07:06 PM, Betty wrote:
>>
>> > At 06:28 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>> >>Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 6:16:37 PM, Hearthside B&B wrote:
>> >> > I think I got rid of the X-Sender info as being me.   Thanks Tushar and
>> >> Karen.
>> >>
>> >>Your welcome.
>>
>> > Ohmygod!  This is my pet peeve.  Your when you mean you're.  Where did you
>> > get your degree?
>>
>>Berkeley. HAHAHA!!!
>>
>>I was afraid no one would fall for my troll.:)


> Whew!  I'm easy.

That's what Larry says, anyway.:)))))))

I LOVE YOU, BETTY!

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:16:40 PM, Betty wrote:
>>Oh, I am making GIGA bucks, as always! But this is, by a strange
>>twist of geography, so close to Wrigley field that I dare not even
>>ask ...

> That may be a negative for some.  I get excited when people get their own
> places!

Wrigley Field is a <hip> area nowadays. My lesbian cousin lives
there.

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02003-03-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:07:16 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Oh, I am making GIGA bucks, as always! But this is, by a strange
> > twist of geography, so close to Wrigley field that I dare not even
> > ask ...
>
> Will you be able to watch games from your place?

No. Anyway the point is mute.

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02003-03-18 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:07 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-18 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> At 06:18 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >The old building with the most incredible willow in the backyard
> >> >(which you can practically touch from the train) now has condos
> >> >for sale. If it wasn't for this damned uncertain "work permit"...
> >> >
> >> >Actually, if it wasn't for the astronomical price (which it almost
> >> >certainly is) ...
> >>
> >> Check it out.  You may be surprised.  Aren't you making mega bucks?
> >
> >Oh, I am making GIGA bucks, as always! But this is, by a strange
> >twist of geography, so close to Wrigley field that I dare not even
> >ask ...
>
> That may be a negative for some.  I get excited when people get their own
> places!

What's "own"? We should proably ask Dr Voigtlander.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Which brings me to the question of bathrobes--I mean I haven't
> figured out what they are for. You take off whatever you were
> wearing to bed, you get in the shower, you get out, dry yourself
> and put on your clothes. Where does a "bathrobe" come in?

I don't go straight from bed to shower.  I first drink coffee, read
e-mail, check wunderground to see what I might want to wear, eat
breakfast.  That's when I wear a bathrobe.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:17:15 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:07:16 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > Oh, I am making GIGA bucks, as always! But this is, by a strange
>> > twist of geography, so close to Wrigley field that I dare not even
>> > ask ...
>>
>> Will you be able to watch games from your place?

> No. Anyway the point is mute.

LOL

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> I've been hearing this word a lot lately. I'm sorry to disappoint
> Natalie, but I'm hearing 'opossum' from Texans and NCns and
> a mixture of other Yankees and Southerners about 90% of the time.

It doesn't exactly <disappoint me>.  But it does surprise me.  I don't
think I've ever heard anybody say "opossum" at any point in my life, and
much of my life has been spent among people from all kinds of places.

It also wouldn't scan in that old camp song:  "Hambone am sweet, chicken
am good, possum meet am berry, berry fine, taint so, but give me, oh
give me, I really wish you would, that watermelon hanging on the vine."

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At 07:12 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:13:56 PM, Betty wrote:
>
> > At 07:04 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:07:06 PM, Betty wrote:
> >>
> >> > At 06:28 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >> >>Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 6:16:37 PM, Hearthside B&B wrote:
> >> >> > I think I got rid of the X-Sender info as being me.   Thanks
> Tushar and
> >> >> Karen.
> >> >>
> >> >>Your welcome.
> >>
> >> > Ohmygod!  This is my pet peeve.  Your when you mean you're.  Where
> did you
> >> > get your degree?
> >>
> >>Berkeley. HAHAHA!!!
> >>
> >>I was afraid no one would fall for my troll.:)
>
>
> > Whew!  I'm easy.
>
>That's what Larry says, anyway.:)))))))
>
>I LOVE YOU, BETTY!


Thanks for calling , Karen.  I apologize for sending my long ass sig. that
I have to use for some correspondence at work.  I was mixing pleasure and
work an waiting for Bonnie to take her turn in Scrabble.

Betty

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At 07:14 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:16:40 PM, Betty wrote:
> >>Oh, I am making GIGA bucks, as always! But this is, by a strange
> >>twist of geography, so close to Wrigley field that I dare not even
> >>ask ...
>
> > That may be a negative for some.  I get excited when people get their own
> > places!
>
>Wrigley Field is a <hip> area nowadays. My lesbian cousin lives
>there.

Well, if your lesbian cousin can afford it, Tushar can.  Women always make
less money. I read that on the web so it must be true.

Betty

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My profession is in demand.  Last week I got offers that included a $1500
signing bonus but that was southern California. That didn't seem like very
much.  Today I got one from UCSF Medical Center offering $3,000.

Coincidentally, ironically I also received my annual letter from he Social
Security Administration. At the bottom it says:  Estimated taxes paid for
SS  $579. My employers also paid $579.  For Medicare I only paid $33.

Does this mean I won't have Medicare coverage when I finally get old like
Clyde.

Betty

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11:42 18.03.2003 -0500 skrev alyce cresap:
>> Espen Ore wrote:
>> > I may try to find it in Athens later this year. Last year we visited some of the Venetian castles (Koroni and Mothoni) and every time I have been to the Peloponnese I have seen the "frankish" ruins.
>
>In your meanderings, see if you come across any Barozzi castle ruins on
>Naxos. Or perhaps a palaszo in Venice. My archaeologist was named
>Barozzi as well as Oikonomides. One of his ancestors supplied ships to
>the Crusaders, he said, and was rewarded with property.

Aha - I have been reading the memoirs of Geoffrey de Villehardouin [b.c.1160-d.c.1213] who held much of the Peloponnese as a result of the forth crusade - the one where the vily Venetians turned the crusade towards Konstantinople rather than Jerusalem. It is from this time that both the "Frankish" castles and the Venetian strongholds in Koroni and Modoni come.

Espen

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21:31 17.03.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
>Espen Ore wrote:
>
>>06:13 17.03.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
>>
>>>Espen Ore wrote:
>>>
>>>>Is Rouvalis a common name? There is a Vassilis Rouvalis who is working on web-pages (or a book?) on castles on the Peloponnese.
>>>
>>>No, it isn't a common name.  We're all related.  Vassilis is
>>>my cousin.  The book is finished -- I think it is in Greek
>>>and German.  The web page has been languishing for quite
>>>some time.
>>
>>I may try to find it in Athens later this year. Last year we visited some of the Venetian castles (Koroni and Mothoni) and every time I have been to the Peloponnese I have seen the "frankish" ruins. Last year we stopped for a short time in Karitena and were impressed by both the town and the castle - this is where Kolokotronis held out I believe.
>
>
>I'm sure he'd be happy to let you know where it is.  I owe him
> email.

Thank you - I would appreciate this!

Espen

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17:21 18.03.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
>> As you are an expert in Japanese I readily believe that your statement
>> of Japanese belonging into the Altaic family is correct, and I guess,
>> this must be a matter of different classifications.
>
>I am not an expert in Japanese and of course defer to Karen on this
>topic also, but I thought that whether Japanese was Altaic was still
>considered debatable.

And if I dare say so, whether Ural and Altaic are in any way at all related.

But the I am not an expert in either one.

Espen

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11:10 18.03.2003 -0500 skrev alyce cresap:
>I never heard of it till today. Thought that some of you might be
>interested, despite the fact that this article is quite long. It is not
>clear to me what Manga and Anime are. Does someone understand?

Now I am a small time fan of anime and manga but for the last month or so I have been indr the influence of Greek Rembetika and here the word "manga" has another meaning. See for instance this short introduction to rembetika:

<http://www.mustrad.org.uk/articles/damn_soc.htm>

Espen

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02003-03-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>
> Wrigley Field is a <hip> area nowadays.

I'll note that down ...

> My lesbian cousin lives there.

I read somewhere that GAYs[tm] are the vanguard of
gentrification ... Well, lesbians must bring up the
rear

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02003-03-18 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:14 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:16:40 PM, Betty wrote:
> >>>Oh, I am making GIGA bucks, as always! But this is, by a strange
> >>>twist of geography, so close to Wrigley field that I dare not even
> >>>ask ...
> >
> >> That may be a negative for some.  I get excited when people get their own
> >> places!
> >
> >Wrigley Field is a <hip> area nowadays. My lesbian cousin lives
> >there.
>
> Well, if your lesbian cousin can afford it, Tushar can.  Women always make
> less money. I read that on the web so it must be true.

Yeah, I will compete with a powerd**e for expensive living!

Anyway--I don't like ANYTHING about the area except the
relative oldness of the building and the tree. Let it go...

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Sunday night I had dinner guests and one was warning the other about the
things that like to get into your garbage around these parts. She said, "The
worst are the raccoons and the...the...uh, fat, ugly..." I said (without
thinking about it), "Possums?" "Yes. Possum." So there it was -- I thought I
said "opossum" but here I didn't.

Marie
   lounge_ascher@hotmail.com





>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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>
>I've been hearing this word a lot lately. I'm sorry to disappoint
>Natalie, but I'm hearing 'opossum' from Texans and NCns and
>a mixture of other Yankees and Southerners about 90% of the time.


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At 06:13 PM 3/18/2003 -0800, you wrote:

>Does this mean I won't have Medicare coverage when I finally get old like
>Clyde.

I suspect that that will depend on what the present administration does,
should its focus ever move from the Middle East.  You probably will have
some sort of coverage, but the form of the coverage may change (Dubya likes
HMOs).  I don't recall (like you said, I'm old) what my deductions were for
SS vs Medicare, other than that the Medicare deduction was substantially
less---about what I paid each each year to the Save the Pterodactyls campaign.

cwv

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Hearthside Inn
>Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 6:25 PM
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>
>
>> > Sure.  But then it would still be coming from my email
>address instead of
>> > theirs.
>>
>>I don't understand.
>
>O.k.   I changed my own settings to look theirs.   Can you
>still tell it is
>really me?
>
>Hearthside Inn
>7 High Street
>Bar Harbor, Maine 04609
>207 288 1019
>www.hearthsideinn.com
>

Go away spammers!! :)



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At 03:59 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
>
>>I can't spell for shit and my grammar is terrible. I've been criticized for
>>it many times on this list. It's never stopped me from continuing on
>>though. More importantly, to me, despite my obvious ignorance and lowly BA
>>in Poli Sci I make a good living. I bet I even make more than your daughter
>>and her perfect spelling. It could even be that I make twice as much as
>>her.
>
>
>        Yeah, rub it in Lisa.

You made your choice.

lisa

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A message I sent three hours ago hasn't got into list yet :(

Kr

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Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:39:09 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 07:14 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:16:40 PM, Betty wrote:
>> >>Oh, I am making GIGA bucks, as always! But this is, by a strange
>> >>twist of geography, so close to Wrigley field that I dare not even
>> >>ask ...
>>
>> > That may be a negative for some.  I get excited when people get their own
>> > places!
>>
>>Wrigley Field is a <hip> area nowadays. My lesbian cousin lives
>>there.

> Well, if your lesbian cousin can afford it, Tushar can.  Women always make
> less money. I read that on the web so it must be true.

She's a teacher, so she makes very little, as Lisa can testify.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> A message I sent three hours ago hasn't got into list yet :(
>
> Kr

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<html><head><title>OTC Vault.com Stock Watch fd4jTH_5DLFekeBudNap4H-sN</title></head><body bgcolor=#BEDADC link=#000099 vlink=#000099 style=tab-interval:.5in lang=EN-US><div class=Section1><table width=797 border=0 align=center bgcolor=#FFFFFF><tr><td><table width=795 border=1 bordercolor=005522><tr><td height=58 bgcolor=005927><div align=center><img src=http://lureof.tripod.com/name.jpg></div></td></tr></table><table width=795 border=1 align=center height=51 bordercolor=005522 name=Name><tr><td><table width=100% border=0 align=center height=43><tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF><td width=31% height=39><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:
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font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Issue 403<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>Vol VII</font></span></i></b><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif"><i style=mso-bidi-font-style:normal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><span style="mso-spacerun:
yes">    </span>March 2003<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></span></i></font></td><td width=40% height=39><font color=#FFFFFF>fd4jTH_5DLFekeBudNap4H-sN</font></td><td width=29% height=39><p align=right><b><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size=4>Market Research &amp; Analysis</font></b></p></td></tr></table></td></tr></table><table border=1 align=center height=31 width=795 bordercolor=005522 name=ticker><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF height=25><p align=center><B><font size=3 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nutech Digital (OTCBB: NTDL)</font></B></p></td></tr></table><table width=795 border=1 align=center bordercolor=005522 name=headline><tr><td bgcolor=#999999><div align=center><font size=3 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><B><font size=3 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nutech Digital (NTDL) Rides the Record Breaking $20 Billion DVD Market Wave</font></B></font></div></td></tr></table><table width=100% border=1 align=center name!
=info bordercolor=005522><tr><td width=6834 height=111><table width=100% border=0 align=center><tr><td width=387 height=226 bgcolor=#FFFFFF><blockquote><p><font color=#0000FF size=2 face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><B><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">OTCVault focuses on mini-cap stocks on the move. Stocks that suddenly jump in volume and may be moving on an upward trend.<br> </font></B></font><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><br> <font size=2>Have you walked into a video rental store lately? Take a look at the inventory and I&#8217;m sure you will see exactly what it is that I see. There are by far a greater number of rentals on DVD than video cassette. Almost 6 years to the day Lee Kasper, founder and President of Nutech Digital had envisioned just that! Lee believed that the DVD would be the chosen method to view home video entertainment and boy was he right! In fact the stellar success of the DVD has propelled home video to become Am!
erica&#8217;s most popular entertainment medium, surpassing consumer spending on movie tickets, music video games and mass market books.</font></font></p><p><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nutech Digital (OTCBB: NTDL), founded in 1997 and located in a new 12,000 square foot facility, is an entertainment licensing company of DVD software and DVD video products. The company is also a distributor and producer of entertainment films, karaoke music and software. Founder, Lee Kasper is one of the primary reasons we were drawn to this company. His track record speaks for itself. In 1982 Lee co-founded Image Entertainment and was essential in developing the company from its humble beginnings to over $60 million in annual sales. His accomplishments at Image included building a team of international manufacturers; and obtaining a first licensing agreement with New World Pictures which eventually led him to become the key negotiator of licensing contracts with!
 over one hundred studios including Disney, Orion, New Line Cinema, HBO, MCA, Twentieth Century Fox and Playboy.</font></p><p><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Developing sales relationships with major retailers such as Circuit City, Tower Records, Wherehouse, Musicland and Ingram; and raising over $6 Million from Mitsubishi and Mitsui. In 1993 Mr. Kasper left Image Entertainment to form Nutech Entertainment.</font></font></p><p><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size=2><br></font></font></p></blockquote></td><td width=388 height=226 bgcolor=#FFFFFF><blockquote><p><br> <font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Within the first year Nutech Entertainment became one of the largest producers of Karaoke music in the country. Than in 1997 Lee formed Nutech Digital to license manufacture and distribute DVD&#8217;s worldwide. At that time both Nutech Digital and Nutech En!
tertainment achieved combined sales of $1.45 million in revenue. In 2000 Lee decided to combine his two companies and by year end the entity was able to achieve revenues of $4.2 million. In fact many of Nutechs clientale include the likes of Virgin Mega Stores, Nobody beats the Wiz, Blockbuster Canada, J&amp;R Music and Hollywood video just to name a few.</font></p><p><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">In 1999, 4.1 million DVD players shipped in the U.S. alone. In 2000 this number was projected to double to 8 million players. In actuality, 9.7 million players were shipped, a 235% increase. In 2001 16.7 million players were shipped, a 407% increase in 2 years. As of September 30th, 2002, 13.5 million players were shipped.<a href=http://www.dvdinformation.com/news/press/101602.html)>Source:Info</a> DVD is rapidly gaining ground on VHS. DVD sales, as expected have surpassed VHS sales in 2002. All major studios have announced that as of January 2003, all t!
itles will no longer be released on VHS. By 2010, the 1999 sales ratio will reverse with worldwide spending on DVD of $64.7 billion versus $2.5 billion on VHS. With the growth opportunities and the relatively young DVD market expanding, the possibilities are boundless. Nutech&#8217;s highly skilled technological team of associates have only been able to touch the surface of these emerging technologies, whereby we believe expansion is eminent.</font></p><p><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">For exciting new developments click on the following news releases</font></p><p><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><a href=http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/030310/105208_1.html>http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/030310/105208_1.html</a></font></p><p><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><a href=http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/030225/255700_1.html>http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/030225/255700_1.html</a></font></p><p align=left>&nbsp;</p></blockquote></td></tr><!
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From: steph <stevie@yoccoz.multinix.com>
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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-03-18 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
= > >           patseph day
= >
= > I keep reading this as "patnsteph" day.
=
= Please, not THIS positive of a frame of mind ... It's giving
= me flashbacks to the lovey dovey 1993 Akbar and Jeff crap ...

What is your problem, MR. STICK-UP-ASS?

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty
>Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:13 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Signing bonuses
>
>
>My profession is in demand.  Last week I got offers that
>included a $1500
>signing bonus but that was southern California. That didn't
>seem like very
>much.  Today I got one from UCSF Medical Center offering $3,000.
>

Are you thinking of taking the UCSF offer? Or showing it to your current
boss?



alec

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I am spending the evening in my motel room after a
busy day at the clinic and I have some questions.

1.  HBO is playing a movie and I missed the beginning so
don't know what movie it is.  Looks like Hope Lange playing
the lead.  Her husband says he's a woman in a man's body.
Anyone know what movie this is?

2.  I just heard someone say that today France said that
if Sadaam uses chemical weapons, etc. on the U. S. that
they will come to our aid.  Does anyone besides me find this
hilarious?

                       - D. M.

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At 04:18 PM 3/19/2003 +0200, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>A message I sent three hours ago hasn't got into list yet :(

You are not unique in that regard.  The list apparently was down for some
time and only began to recover about 45 minutes ago.  It seems to picking
up the current messages now; I also sent one earlier that is out there
somewhere yet.

cwv

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 8:18:49 AM, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> A message I sent three hours ago hasn't got into list yet :(

> Kr

But this one did!

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Rashmi Murthy:
= >            patseph day
=
= I keep reading this as "patnsteph" day.
=
= -rashmi
=

It made me blink a couple of times and even look to see if I
could figure it out.  Head in Yiddish?

When our wonderful webserver is up it will be at
http://www.patnsteph.net.

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=
= Betty Clark
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Oooh.  Corporate Signature Competition!

Now that I actually have a job title, I can compete!

Stephanie Mandell
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At 09:16 AM 3/19/2003 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:


>Go away spammers!! :)

One caller this morning inquired about the rates for this weekend.  It
puzzles me a bit that someone would want to come here in what is the one
unlovely time of the year on MDI.

cwv

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At 09:39 PM 3/17/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Monday, March 17, 2003, 9:37:08 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >         At least now we know who is for the war.  I was confused
> > about that since everyone I know is against it.  It's those
> > perverse country music fans.
>
>But the musicians themselves are anti.:)

Not Charlie Daniels. He caused a patriotic stir two weeks ago when he went
off on the pansy ass Hollywood types in an open letter he posted on  his
web site.

I confess to going to the web site to check it out but, I couldn't find it.
So I've dropped it.

As for the Dixie Chicks, I think they'll be OK. They might lose some of
their fans but, they have a very diverse following. People who aren't
necessary fans of country music are into them. Good for them for saying
what they believe. As a matter of fact, good for Charlie Daniels too, I
don't agree with his POV but he can say whatever he wants.

lisa

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Hungarian and Japanese are frighteningly close. (I was a teaching
> assistant for a woman who gave Hungarian examples for everything
> she taught.)
>
> Kristin, people argue about where Japanese belongs. It's a
> favorite topic of conversation among Japanese linguists. It
> doesn't really matter, and you may not believe it, that's fine.

It is interesting, anyway, that you've written here. It's a pity it doesn't
ring a bell for me for I know neither of the languages. Seen or heard
sentences -- yes, but nothing to find that to muse on. Thanks for the remark
about them.

Kristin

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Lisa:

> >        Yeah, rub it in Lisa.

>You made your choice.

Yeah, tell her, Lisa.

How was Florida?

-rashmi


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 From an AP headline this morning:

House Republican leaders split a military tax bill in two after lawmakers
from both parties balked at combining relief for American troops going into
war with new tax breaks for ranchers, tackle box makers and drug companies.

cwv

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>Which brings me to the question of bathrobes--I mean I haven't
>figured out what they are for. You take off whatever you were
>wearing to bed, you get in the shower, you get out, dry yourself
>and put on your clothes. Where does a "bathrobe" come in?

They look good hanging on the peg on the back of the bathroom door.  Much
like a commode-hugging rug looks good.   I'm sure you remember those.


    --bonniev

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At 08:39 PM 3/18/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:

>2.  I just heard someone say that today France said that
>if Sadaam uses chemical weapons, etc. on the U. S. that
>they will come to our aid.  Does anyone besides me find this
>hilarious?

...just goes to show you that chivalry isn't dead...

cwv

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>They have a pretty good following within the
>folk/women's music arena as well; I don't think they'd
>be able to do the mega-concerts or have as much money;
>but they could still do the black box circuit and so
>on  and be pretty popular.
>clo

What is a "black box circuit"?  I can infer that it refers to a set of
low-key performing venues, but I've not heard the term before.

Ken Miller
Assistant Drone
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>>Oh, I am making GIGA bucks, as always! But this is, by a strange
>>twist of geography, so close to Wrigley field that I dare not even
>>ask ...
>
>That may be a negative for some.  I get excited when people get their own
>places!
>
>Hugs,
>Betty

Where is the hate, babe?  WHERE IS THE HATE!?

Snugglz,
Booykins

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Natalie,

I just saw a preview for Survivor, and evidently it's going to be
steamy this week.

Karen

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

>   It seems to picking
> up the current messages now; I also sent one earlier that is out there
> somewhere yet.

Ah, that's a relief. Also that I'm not the only one. I'm only sorry for my
panicking -- I already sent a message twice. I won't any more. Just try to
find time a bit later for communicating.

Kristin

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At 02:41 PM 3/19/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Lisa:
>
>> >        Yeah, rub it in Lisa.
>
>>You made your choice.
>
>Yeah, tell her, Lisa.
>
>How was Florida?
>
>-rashmi

Florida was fan-freakin'-tastic!

We had a great time. Among other things we...
...put 352 miles on our rental car
...went to the beach a couple times
...went to Miami
...we got drunk at a Ladies Drink for Free promo thing,
... high tailed it out of Miami due to obnoxious Spring breakers,
... came back thawed and refreshed.

Things that I did include...
...getting pulled over by the state police
...drinking a watermelon martini (basically straight vodka that had chunks
of watermelon soaking in it)
...playing golf for the first time in my life (par was 70.. I shot a 110
and got yelled at 3 times for bad cart driving etiquette)

Tina...
...got a sunburn
...set out on a quest to find the ultimate Cuban restaurant
...had an almond joy martini
...has decided she could live in florida

Thanks for Asking

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I have "Life With Bonnie" on, and I kept having these weird
twinges...

Turns out she has my tablecloth on her kitchen table. Is this
validation or what?!

Karen

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>Natalie,
>I just saw a preview for Survivor, and evidently it's going to be
>steamy this week.      --Karen

And, don't forget, it is tonight rather than Thursday.


    --bonniev

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of steph
>Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 5:56 AM
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>
>
>=
>= Betty Clark
>= Manager Diagnostic Support Services
>= University Health Services
>= UC Berkeley
>= 2222 Bancroft Way , Room 1139
>= Berkeley, CA 94720-4300
>= email:bclark@uhs.berkeley.edu
>= office:  510.642.5053
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>
>Oooh.  Corporate Signature Competition!
>
>Now that I actually have a job title, I can compete!
>
>Stephanie Mandell
>PEDC Deployment Manager
>United Pan-Europe Communications N.V.
>The Netherlands
>
>e: smandell@upccorp.com
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>

I'll play too.


alec


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steph, on "patseph day":
>It made me blink a couple of times and even look
>to see if I could figure it out.  Head in Yiddish?

Yesterday was the day between St. Patrick's
Day and St. Joseph's Day, both of which are
BFDs down here.

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> What is your problem, MR. STICK-UP-ASS?

He's feeling the love.  It's just his
way of expressing it.

I just ate the first Krispy Kreme donut
of my life.

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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to take up space with klutzy user question:


This is pretty stupid but I can't ask anybody at work because I am in
violation of the Technology Policy.

In violation of said policy, I telnet daily to one of Rahul's servers and
read words-l at work (oh and also some librarian lists etc.).

We recently got switched to god knows which Windows operating system, it's
got an X in the name, NT maybe?  Anyway, the telnet software makes it so I
can't read what's being responded to, so I tried to change the coloring
and fonts, and in fact did change them, but not so's I could read the
responded-to messages.

I was frustrated and angry and got stupid and changed some setting so that
now when I use the Telnet address I always have, the new screen fills up
EVERY SINGLE PART OF MY computer screen so that I CAN'T MINIMIZE IT!

I used to keep it on all of the time, usually minimized for quick
retrieval and easy fast exit.  Now if I want to tuck it away I have to
spend the time logging off.

Seems like there should be a function key or some combination of keyboard
commands that would let me minimize even though I can't click on anything
to do it the way I used to.

Ann

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At 05:59 AM 3/17/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Espen Ore wrote:
> >
> > Or now, yesterday: HB from me!
>
>Thank you.  At least the war didn't start on my bday.  I'm mightily
>depressed at the thought of today, though.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

First and most importantly, Happy Belated Birthday Natalie.

re: The War, a lot of people in my circle are depressed about it.

It was the talk of my volleyball team the other day. There's been nonstop
chatter around the office. It's on the tv at the gym. And when I finally
get home Tina's there telling me she's scared we're going to die.

Neither one of us has been getting a good night's sleep. I've been having
dreams which involve someone dying. Tina has asked me on a number of
occasions if we're going to be attacked w/ a nuclear weapon on our own soil.

I took the Gulf War in stride. This time it's different. The war itself,
the fighting in Iraq, isn't what keeps me from peaceful sleep. What worries
me most is, we'll agitate terrorist into striking us here at home. Unlike
Tina I don't fear nuclear weapons but bombing of some sort aren't off my
radar screen.


lisa

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ann:
> Seems like there should be a function key

The Window-M combination will minimize all open windows.

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 10:06:25 AM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Seems like there should be a function key or some combination of keyboard
> commands that would let me minimize even though I can't click on anything
> to do it the way I used to.

At one point, my CTS was so bad that I got a list of keyboard
commands from Microsoft's website. It's under handicapped access,
I think. I also think maybe Mem helped me find it.

Also, you know you can read your Rahul mail over the web, right?

I use TeraTerm SSH for telnetting. Are you using the native
Windows telnet? That sucks in a lot of ways.

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At 10:12 PM 3/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Which brings me to the question of bathrobes--I mean I haven't
>>figured out what they are for. You take off whatever you were
>>wearing to bed, you get in the shower, you get out, dry yourself
>>and put on your clothes. Where does a "bathrobe" come in?
>
>They look good hanging on the peg on the back of the bathroom door.  Much
>like a commode-hugging rug looks good.   I'm sure you remember those.

They do?

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Oh, and of course, ALT-SPACEBAR-N will
minimize only the window with the focus.

HTH

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Richard                   MG.swap(LeBaron);

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>>They look good hanging on the peg on the back of the bathroom door.  Much
>>like a commode-hugging rug looks good.   I'm sure you remember those.
>
>They do?

About as good as a commode-hugging rug looks.


    --bonniev

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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YAAAAY , THANKS!

On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, no straight, chaser wrote:

> ann:
> > Seems like there should be a function key
>
> The Window-M combination will minimize all open windows.
>
> --
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At 09:29 AM 3/19/2003 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: English Language Discussion Group
> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:13 PM
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Signing bonuses
> >
> >
> >My profession is in demand.  Last week I got offers that
> >included a $1500
> >signing bonus but that was southern California. That didn't
> >seem like very
> >much.  Today I got one from UCSF Medical Center offering $3,000.
> >
>
>Are you thinking of taking the UCSF offer? Or showing it to your current
>boss?

I am going to show it to my current boss and human resources. It's that
time of year when they are requesting information for new
negotiations.  They always acknowledge we lag behind but don't do anything
about it.  No need to because there is no turnover.

I don't want to commute to San Francisco.

Betty

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On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Also, you know you can read your Rahul mail over the web, right?
>
No, how?

Ann

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 10:19:30 AM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> Also, you know you can read your Rahul mail over the web, right?
>>
> No, how?

It's in the directions at http://www.rahul.net

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Did Tina find the ultimate Cuban restaurant? This is one
quest I'd enjoy fer sure.

I know watermelon martinis but can't imagine what an almond
joy martini is.

Did you talk your way out of a ticket??

Is Miami littered with beautiful people?

-rashmi

=============================================================

Florida was fan-freakin'-tastic!

We had a great time. Among other things we...
...put 352 miles on our rental car
...went to the beach a couple times
...went to Miami
...we got drunk at a Ladies Drink for Free promo thing,
... high tailed it out of Miami due to obnoxious Spring breakers,
... came back thawed and refreshed.

Things that I did include...
...getting pulled over by the state police
...drinking a watermelon martini (basically straight vodka that had chunks
of watermelon soaking in it)
...playing golf for the first time in my life (par was 70.. I shot a 110
and got yelled at 3 times for bad cart driving etiquette)

Tina...
...got a sunburn
...set out on a quest to find the ultimate Cuban restaurant
...had an almond joy martini
...has decided she could live in florida

Thanks for Asking



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Richard:

>I just ate the first Krispy Kreme donut
>of my life.

And? What's the verdict? Was it an earthshattering
experience? Were you underwhelmed? Did you go back
for seconds?

-rashmi


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D.M:

>I am spending the evening in my motel room after a
>busy day at the clinic and I have some questions.

How are the tests going? Is this a "regular" check-up?

>2.  I just heard someone say that today France said that
>if Sadaam uses chemical weapons, etc. on the U. S. that
>they will come to our aid.  Does anyone besides me find this
>hilarious?

Things I find hilarious about the situation:

Spain, our big ally, is not sending any combat troops. WTF
kind of ally is that?

Among the countries in the coalition are the two perennial basket
cases - Afghanistan and Eritrea. For some reason that cracks
me up.

-rashmi


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Rashmi, on my lost donut-newbie status:
>Was it an earthshattering experience?

It was a donut (capsule review: enh).

But I'm not all that big on sweets, anyway.

>Did you go back for seconds?

Not if I'm gonna keep this girlish figure.

--
Richard                   MG.swap(LeBaron);

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=
= I use TeraTerm SSH for telnetting. Are you using the native
= Windows telnet? That sucks in a lot of ways.

I used to think that TeraTerm SSH was great, but I've gotten
hooked on PuTTY.

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 10:42:05 AM, steph wrote:
> = I use TeraTerm SSH for telnetting. Are you using the native
> = Windows telnet? That sucks in a lot of ways.

> I used to think that TeraTerm SSH was great, but I've gotten
> hooked on PuTTY.

I like PuTTY, too. I think I had it on the hard drive that died.

Actually, I have succumbed to the 20th century and am now
exclusively POPping my mail. Who'd a thunk it?!

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At 04:33 PM 3/19/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Did Tina find the ultimate Cuban restaurant? This is one
>quest I'd enjoy fer sure.

We found a good one in Miami and a decent but not remarkable one in West
Palm Beach.

There are two more we want to try, both recommended by a friend who's of
Cuban decent. We'll try these the next time we go down there.


>I know watermelon martinis but can't imagine what an almond
>joy martini is.

It was $11. It had chocolate and coconut around the rim. Tina said it was
strong. Very strong. That's all I remember about it.

If I had to guess I'd say it had kaluha, coconut rum and maybe vodka in it.
Another combo could have been dark chocolate godiva liquer, coconut rum and
vodka.


>Did you talk your way out of a ticket??

Yes. Basically I went into the HOV lane too soon. I crossed a double solid
line. I didn't do it on purpose though. So many cars were doing the same
thing I honestly thought I was OK.


>Is Miami littered with beautiful people?

No, it was littered with primped out, pimped out, college kids. This was
probably the most disappointing part of our trip.

It was so crowded we could neither walk nor drive to the most famous part
of South Beach. I love art deco and was anxious to see the hotels and
possibly have a mojito in one of their bars. We couldn't take the crowds
though so we split.

Speaking of mojito's, no one knew what they were. It wasn't until the day
before we left, when I hooked up with my Cuban friend, that we found
someone who knew exactly what we were talking about. She was surprised we
couldn't find one.

lisa

>-rashmi
>
>=============================================================
>
>Florida was fan-freakin'-tastic!
>
>We had a great time. Among other things we...
>...put 352 miles on our rental car
>...went to the beach a couple times
>...went to Miami
>...we got drunk at a Ladies Drink for Free promo thing,
>... high tailed it out of Miami due to obnoxious Spring breakers,
>... came back thawed and refreshed.
>
>Things that I did include...
>...getting pulled over by the state police
>...drinking a watermelon martini (basically straight vodka that had chunks
>of watermelon soaking in it)
>...playing golf for the first time in my life (par was 70.. I shot a 110
>and got yelled at 3 times for bad cart driving etiquette)
>
>Tina...
>...got a sunburn
>...set out on a quest to find the ultimate Cuban restaurant
>...had an almond joy martini
>...has decided she could live in florida
>
>Thanks for Asking
>
>
>
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At 09:31 AM 3/19/2003 -0600, you wrote:

>I just ate the first Krispy Kreme donut
>of my life.
>--
>Richard                   MG.swap(LeBaron);

Oh that's another thing Tina and I did in FLA. We went to Krispy Kreme for
breakfast one morning. They stuck two hot donuts in our face. We mmm'd and
ahhh'd, enjoying every bite.

Tina wanted to get coffee and leave. I made her buy a donut and I picked
one out for myself. We had these for lunch that same day. She said her
powdered donut was dry. My sour cream glazed donut wasn't much better.

When the KK they're building here opens, we won't be going. We've had our fill.

lisa

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 6:06:29 AM, Espen Ore wrote:
> 11:10 18.03.2003 -0500 skrev alyce cresap:
>>I never heard of it till today. Thought that some of you might be
>>interested, despite the fact that this article is quite long. It is not
>>clear to me what Manga and Anime are. Does someone understand?

> Now I am a small time fan of anime and manga but for the last month or so I have been indr the influence of Greek Rembetika and here the word "manga" has another meaning. See for instance this
> short introduction to rembetika:

> <http://www.mustrad.org.uk/articles/damn_soc.htm>

This is very cool, Espen. Now I have a new word to describe
Ligniere.

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In a message dated 3/19/2003 10:39:10 AM Central Standard Time,
rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM writes:


>
> How are the tests going? Is this a "regular" check-up?
>
> - Rashmi

Just finished my last appointment and will hit the road
for a leisurely trip back to Nebraska, with an overnite
stop in Iowa

    This was a routine checkup but I did come with some
    concerns, which proved to be ill-founded, so that all
    my news is good news.  The numbness and pain I was
   experiencing in my legs IS being caused by the meds
   I was taking for high cholesterol and my doctor agreed
   with the decision I made a month ago to stop taking this
   kind of medicine.  I did have one small polyp removed
   from the colon and haven't received the path report but
   assume it will be okay.

   So now I take no meds of any kind except a smidgin of
   estrogen, and that is really good for a woman of
   my age.  Mayos says I'm downright healthy.

                     - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

>   Mayos says I'm downright healthy.

Excellent! (And expected, too, not only hoped)

Kristin

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At 07:01 AM 3/19/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >>Oh, I am making GIGA bucks, as always! But this is, by a strange
> >>twist of geography, so close to Wrigley field that I dare not even
> >>ask ...
> >
> >That may be a negative for some.  I get excited when people get their own
> >places!
> >
> >Hugs,
> >Betty
>
>Where is the hate, babe?  WHERE IS THE HATE!?
>
>Snugglz,
>Booykins

I cannot hate.  Not even the bald unholy one.

Betty

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Krispy Kremes are lame. They are probably the stupidest food
I have ever ate.

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Another profession in demand is debt consolidation and bankruptcy.
It's like the second most advertized thing on TV, after SUVs.

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 12:38:37 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Krispy Kremes are lame. They are probably the stupidest food
> I have ever ate.

What is the smartest food you have ever ate?

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I have been advised to report in.

:-)

I'm home after four beautiful days in T.O.  I attended the 40th birthday party of a
good friend and was most impressed at the interesting variety of people within his
circle.  One of the more colourful characters was a guy who is obsessed with
martinis.  He carries a briefcase at all times with the proper ingredients.  At the party,
he was making them for all who wished and was constantly vigilant to be sure they
were not being languished over ("must be consumed chilled!  They're no good
warm.").  His total attention was on this project.  I never once saw him speak or even
make eye contact with anyone who was not drinking his martinis.

The weather was beautiful.  Steve and I got lots of garden prep work done.

The border security was intense.  Even the non-suspicious wre thoroughly
searched.

What'd I miss?

BrP

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02003-03-19 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>

Dr Borkin, I think you should use an SSH client of some kind.
Telnetting is pathetic.

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02003-03-19 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Actually, I have succumbed to the 20th century and am now
> exclusively POPping my mail. Who'd a thunk it?!

POP is a regression to the 19th century.

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02003-03-19 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 12:38:37 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Krispy Kremes are lame. They are probably the stupidest food
> > I have ever ate.
>
> What is the smartest food you have ever ate?

Probably a dolphin steak or something ...

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> >
> > What is the smartest food you have ever ate?
>
> Probably a dolphin steak or something ...

I hope it was at least tuna-free dolphin.

akBrP

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>Rashmi, on my lost donut-newbie status:
> >Was it an earthshattering experience?

>It was a donut (capsule review: enh).

I didn't care at all for the one I tried. Dunno what to make
of reports of new Krispy Kreme franchises causing traffic jams,
people oohing and aahing about how great they taste etc.

> >Did you go back for seconds?

>Not if I'm gonna keep this girlish figure.

Good call.

-rashmi


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>Please correct as I just did, the langauge to language...Mark Twain
supposedly said show me a person who spells all of their words the same
way and I will show you a boring individual. I have now become as boring
as a termite.<

Bethany

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 12:45:57 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-19 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>>

> Dr Borkin, I think you should use an SSH client of some kind.
> Telnetting is pathetic.

In fact, I didn't think that Rahul let you plain telnet.

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 12:46:33 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-19 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Actually, I have succumbed to the 20th century and am now
>> exclusively POPping my mail. Who'd a thunk it?!

> POP is a regression to the 19th century.

Prove it.

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> I have been advised to report in.

You've got good advisors.

> :-)

> What'd I miss?

Everything!

Good you had nice days

Kristin

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 12:49:08 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> akBrP

Glad to see you back, sweet akBrP.:)

Jeff

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> >Rashmi, on my lost donut-newbie status:
> > >Was it an earthshattering experience?
>
> >It was a donut (capsule review: enh).
>
> I didn't care at all for the one I tried. Dunno what to make
> of reports of new Krispy Kreme franchises causing traffic jams,
> people oohing and aahing about how great they taste etc.


It's all in the name. It would be interesting to do a test giving them various names
and see if the rose would be as sweet.  I have had them and I thought they were ok
when very very fresh - but I'd never stand in line for one.  I'd never stand in line for
Timbits either, but don't tell that to Canadian Immigration.


akBrP

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At 12:40 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Another profession in demand is debt consolidation and bankruptcy.
>It's like the second most advertized thing on TV, after SUVs.

I keep getting spam to refinance my house.

Betty

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At 01:40 PM 3/19/2003 -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>I have been advised to report in.

YaY

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Bush has sent his official notification to Congress that he intends to make
not-nice.
The Speaker of the House responded with:
"This is not a declaration that we are in any specific type of activity at this
time,"
uh huh

akBrP

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>
>It's all in the name. It would be interesting to do a test
>giving them various names
>and see if the rose would be as sweet.  I have had them and I
>thought they were ok
>when very very fresh - but I'd never stand in line for one.
>I'd never stand in line for
>Timbits either, but don't tell that to Canadian Immigration.
>
>
>akBrP
>

Tim Hortons covers Buffalo. Don't need to go through immigration for a
Timbit:)



alec

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At 01:40 PM 3/19/2003 -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>   One of the more colourful characters was a guy who is obsessed with
>martinis.  He carries a briefcase at all times with the proper
>ingredients.  At the party,
>he was making them for all who wished and was constantly vigilant to be
>sure they
>were not being languished over ("must be consumed chilled!  They're no good
>warm.").

Yes, but  gin or vodka?  Were they shaken or stirred?  Olive or twist?  Did
he carry his own ice?
  What brands?

cwv

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> At 12:40 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >Another profession in demand is debt consolidation and bankruptcy.
> >It's like the second most advertized thing on TV, after SUVs.
>
> I keep getting spam to refinance my house.
>
> Betty

I get offers to puchase fine art, fine wine and to learn Spanish.  At least I get classy
spam.

BrP

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> I didn't care at all for the one I tried.

Just the *name* has grossed me out all these
years; "cream" should, under no circumstances
(pardon that French!) be "crispy".

But my little St. Joseph's Altar here was
looking pretty sparse with just a bagel on
it, so I took this opportunity.

--
Richard                   MG.swap(LeBaron);

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 1:00:48 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> It's all in the name. It would be interesting to do a test giving them various names
> and see if the rose would be as sweet.

I did a taste test once of KK and RR--Round Rock Donuts. I like
RR better--KK glazed are too sweet.

> akBrP
Jeff

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Subject:  BBC interview on archiving endangered languages

GoDigital, the weekly BBC world service programme that looks at how
technology is changing our lives, this week carries an interview with
Professor Peter Austin, (Märit Rausing Chair in Field Linguistics and
Director of the Endangered Languages Academic Program, SOAS) about
''how technology can help preserve lost languages for future
generations''. There is both an audio and video file available (until
Sunday 23rd March) at:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/1478157.stm

Once at this page, you'll need to click ''audio'' or ''video'', and
then the interview with Peter Austin can be found 16 minutes and 50
seconds into the programme.

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 1:11:22 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>> At 12:40 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>> >Another profession in demand is debt consolidation and bankruptcy.
>> >It's like the second most advertized thing on TV, after SUVs.
>>
>> I keep getting spam to refinance my house.
>>
>> Betty

> I get offers to puchase fine art, fine wine and to learn Spanish.  At least I get classy
> spam.

I almost forwarded some spam I got yesterday. It was spam for a
video to tell you what to do in case we're attacked by
nontraditional WOMD.

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On Wednesday, March 19, 2003 at 16:38, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Among the countries in the coalition are the two perennial basket
> cases - Afghanistan and Eritrea. For some reason that cracks
> me up.

The "coalition" reminds me the lists of countries not using the
metric system, or perhaps those doing capital punishment in a big
way. The US plus a handful of either nobodies or very ugly places.

Tony H.

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ANWR drilling is supposed to be voted on today.

Karen

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On Tuesday, March 18, 2003 at 20:39, Doris Markland wrote:

> 2.  I just heard someone say that today France said that
> if Sadaam uses chemical weapons, etc. on the U. S. that
> they will come to our aid.  Does anyone besides me find this
> hilarious?

I don't. What do you find hilarious about it? Is it that France
wouldn't have much to offer the US, or perhaps that France has
opposed US warmongering? Or something else?

I see nothing wrong with France's attitude, and I imagine many other
countries and people would have the very same position. Any country
using chemical weapons obviously deserves the most extreme sanctions.
Pretty obviously the US would respond with its own WMD (probably
wouldn't hesitate to use nukes) in such a case, but other countries
would clearly also use their armed forces to assist.

Of course unlike almost all other countries, the US has never said it
won't use nukes in a first strike.

Tony H.

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can you say "under the radar" ?

BrP

> ANWR drilling is supposed to be voted on today.
>
> Karen

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At 02:11 PM 3/19/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > At 12:40 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > >Another profession in demand is debt consolidation and bankruptcy.
> > >It's like the second most advertized thing on TV, after SUVs.
> >
> > I keep getting spam to refinance my house.
> >
> > Betty
>
>I get offers to puchase fine art, fine wine and to learn Spanish.  At
>least I get classy
>spam.

I also get spam to enlarge body part that I don't possess.

B

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I was going to respond in a very similar way, but got busy with actual work and
hadn't formed my response yet.  So - what Tony said!

BrP

btw, Here is the statement made by the government on the saner side of the border:

If military action proceeds without a new resolution of the Security Council,
Canada will not participate.




> On Tuesday, March 18, 2003 at 20:39, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > 2.  I just heard someone say that today France said that
> > if Sadaam uses chemical weapons, etc. on the U. S. that
> > they will come to our aid.  Does anyone besides me find this
> > hilarious?
>
> I don't. What do you find hilarious about it? Is it that France
> wouldn't have much to offer the US, or perhaps that France has
> opposed US warmongering? Or something else?
>
> I see nothing wrong with France's attitude, and I imagine many other
> countries and people would have the very same position. Any country
> using chemical weapons obviously deserves the most extreme sanctions.
> Pretty obviously the US would respond with its own WMD (probably
> wouldn't hesitate to use nukes) in such a case, but other countries
> would clearly also use their armed forces to assist.
>
> Of course unlike almost all other countries, the US has never said it
> won't use nukes in a first strike.
>
> Tony H.

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Oh, I'll bet you could borrow one.

akBrP

>
> I also get spam to enlarge body part that I don't possess.
>
> B

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 1:32:05 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> can you say "under the radar" ?

'under the radar'.:)

The only good thing is that they'll probably lose.

> BrP

>> ANWR drilling is supposed to be voted on today.
>>
>> Karen

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 1:34:00 PM, Betty Clark wrote:

> At 02:11 PM 3/19/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>> > At 12:40 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>> > >Another profession in demand is debt consolidation and bankruptcy.
>> > >It's like the second most advertized thing on TV, after SUVs.
>> >
>> > I keep getting spam to refinance my house.
>> >
>> > Betty
>>
>>I get offers to puchase fine art, fine wine and to learn Spanish.  At
>>least I get classy
>>spam.

> I also get spam to enlarge body part that I don't possess.

I forward mine to Akbar.:)

Jeff

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On Tuesday, March 18, 2003 at 21:47, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> >What about the nerd invasion underway right now, with people
> >talking about induction and piano etc? That's not annoying?
>
> Nah, it takes me back to 1991. I cared about this stuff back
> then. Now I treat it with an indulgent smile.
>
> -rashmi, old'n'jaded ex-nerd

Remind me what you do these days.

Tony H.

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02003-03-19 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 12:46:33 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-19 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Actually, I have succumbed to the 20th century and am now
> >> exclusively POPping my mail. Who'd a thunk it?!
>
> > POP is a regression to the 19th century.
>
> Prove it.

I might if I wanted to but I am not a Sinologist and
don't particularly care <shrug>

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 2:01:21 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-19 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 12:46:33 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-03-19 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> Actually, I have succumbed to the 20th century and am now
>> >> exclusively POPping my mail. Who'd a thunk it?!
>>
>> > POP is a regression to the 19th century.
>>
>> Prove it.

> I might if I wanted to but I am not a Sinologist and
> don't particularly care <shrug>

<smooch!>

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On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-19 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> >
>
> Dr Borkin, I think you should use an SSH client of some kind.
> Telnetting is pathetic.

Why is telnetting pathetic?

Ann

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 2:09:17 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> 02003-03-19 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>> >
>>
>> Dr Borkin, I think you should use an SSH client of some kind.
>> Telnetting is pathetic.

> Why is telnetting pathetic?

It's SO 20th century!

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I don't know if this law has been replaced, but in answer to your
question of the other day:


The U.S. Sedition Act
16 May, 1918


------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------

SECTION 3. Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully
make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to
interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces
of the United States, or to promote the success of its enemies, or shall
willfully make or convey false reports, or false statements, . . . or
incite insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the
military or naval forces of the United States, or shall willfully
obstruct . . . the recruiting or enlistment service of the United
States, or . . . shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any
disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of
government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United
States, or the military or naval forces of the United States . . . or
shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy, or shall
willfully . . . urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production
. . . or advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of the
acts or things in this section enumerated and whoever shall by word or
act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United
States is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States
therein, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or
imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both....
--
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02003-03-19 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 2:01:21 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-19 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 12:46:33 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > 02003-03-19 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> >> Actually, I have succumbed to the 20th century and am now
> >> >> exclusively POPping my mail. Who'd a thunk it?!
> >>
> >> > POP is a regression to the 19th century.
> >>
> >> Prove it.
>
> > I might if I wanted to but I am not a Sinologist and
> > don't particularly care <shrug>
>
> <smooch!>

Now I know you are Christian by your love. The simplest "proof"
is that pop makes a distinction between "server" and "workstation",
the former being some kind of a terminus on the internet, and the
latter a black box. Having your read messages "at home" where you
can't access them is just one annoying symptom of this. If your
machine is on the net, it's a host. Why can't mail just GO to
it the normal way? Why do you need another protocol for it? Etc
etc. I read my mail where my mailbox is.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> What is the smartest food you have ever ate?

Don't know about smart, but the nicest food I have ever ate is Girl
Scouts Thin Mints and also some peanut butter cookies that came from
some Rita person in St. Louis. She says I am supposed to pig out and
grow. She must be a pretty nice lady, sending provisions to poor old
ladies in the East.

alyce

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In a message dated 3/19/2003 12:06:07 PM, bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<< I keep getting spam to refinance my house. >>

You and me both :-{ Theo

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At 02:42 PM 3/19/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > What is the smartest food you have ever ate?
>
>Don't know about smart, but the nicest food I have ever ate is Girl
>Scouts Thin Mints and also some peanut butter cookies that came from
>some Rita person in St. Louis. She says I am supposed to pig out and
>grow. She must be a pretty nice lady, sending provisions to poor old
>ladies in the East.

Bless her heart.  Are you going to share with your sister?

Betty

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Tony Harminc wrote:
>
> I see nothing wrong with France's attitude, and I imagine many other
> countries and people would have the very same position.

Agreed. I don't see the funny part. It is funnier to think that our new
ally Eritrea is going to help us a lot. If statistics can be believed,
the percentage of people against the war in France, Germany, Russia,
etc., is very high. I assume that the prime ministers, presidents, etc.,
of these countries simply are listening to their constituents, a
desirable thing, to my mind. (The UK excepted--Blair got a big yes from
parliament, yet "they" say that 95% of the people are opposed.)

alyce

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02003-03-19 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> thing, to my mind. (The UK excepted--Blair got a big yes from
> parliament, yet "they" say that 95% of the people are opposed.)

Who is going to say "no" now?

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>From http://tedbarlowfaq.blogspot.com/

Q: How many U.S. troops does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: 280,000. But once that bulb is changed, a domino effect
will take place, with the new bulb serving as a dramatic and
inspiring example of illumination for other bulbs in the region,
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On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

A> I don't know if this law has been replaced, but in answer to your
A> question of the other day:
A>
A>
A> The U.S. Sedition Act
A> 16 May, 1918

        Interesting.  So it may not be treason, but it may be sedition.
Of course, that depends on "when the United States is at war."  Isn't it
true that, technically speaking, the USA hasn't been at war since 1945?
Did Congress give Bush the power to actually declare war last fall?  Or
will this just be another police action?

--
Take care,
Tom Lee (flint@kiva.net)
"Police action on terrorism" just doesn't have the same ring

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At 08:39 PM 3/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I am spending the evening in my motel room after a
>busy day at the clinic and I have some questions.
>
>1.  HBO is playing a movie and I missed the beginning so
>don't know what movie it is.  Looks like Hope Lange playing
>the lead.  Her husband says he's a woman in a man's body.
>Anyone know what movie this is?

It might be a movie called, Normal. It was on HBO last night and the
description said it was about a married man who decides to have a sex
change. I didn't watch the movie and I have no idea who in it. I'm even
surprised I remembered the name.

lisa


>2.  I just heard someone say that today France said that
>if Sadaam uses chemical weapons, etc. on the U. S. that
>they will come to our aid.  Does anyone besides me find this
>hilarious?
>
>                        - D. M.

Not hilarious but umm, weird? No, annoying is better. The French annoy me.

I think their one goal is to continue to be able to sell Iraqi oil to those
who want it. Since we're probably their biggest customer, I'm not at all
surprised they don't want this war happening. Their willingness to help,
whatever that turns out to mean, says to me they are interest in saving
their investment.

lisa

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At 05:42 PM 3/19/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>=
>= I use TeraTerm SSH for telnetting. Are you using the native
>= Windows telnet? That sucks in a lot of ways.
>
>I used to think that TeraTerm SSH was great, but I've gotten
>hooked on PuTTY.

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At 08:17 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:39:09 PM, Betty wrote:
> > At 07:14 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:16:40 PM, Betty wrote:
> >> >>Oh, I am making GIGA bucks, as always! But this is, by a strange
> >> >>twist of geography, so close to Wrigley field that I dare not even
> >> >>ask ...
> >>
> >> > That may be a negative for some.  I get excited when people get
> their own
> >> > places!
> >>
> >>Wrigley Field is a <hip> area nowadays. My lesbian cousin lives
> >>there.
>
> > Well, if your lesbian cousin can afford it, Tushar can.  Women always make
> > less money. I read that on the web so it must be true.
>
>She's a teacher, so she makes very little, as Lisa can testify.

I didn't say teachers made very little. I said I made more than them.

lisa

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At 05:39 PM 3/18/2003 -0800, Betty wrote:
>At 07:14 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:16:40 PM, Betty wrote:
>> >>Oh, I am making GIGA bucks, as always! But this is, by a strange
>> >>twist of geography, so close to Wrigley field that I dare not even
>> >>ask ...
>>
>> > That may be a negative for some.  I get excited when people get their own
>> > places!
>>
>>Wrigley Field is a <hip> area nowadays. My lesbian cousin lives
>>there.
>
>Well, if your lesbian cousin can afford it, Tushar can.  Women always make
>less money. I read that on the web so it must be true.
>
>Betty

Ask any lesbian and she'll tell you it's true. She might even tell you that
lesbians make less than non-lesbian women.

lisa
who doesn't buy into it but not 'cause she can't afford it

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>I keep getting spam to refinance my house.
>Betty

I am stunned at the amount of spam that the Hearthside Inn gets.   It must
be because they own a domain.   I get no spam.  Now I am treated each day
to five or six offers to enlarge my breasts or penis.


    --bonniev

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Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>>At 12:40 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>>>Another profession in demand is debt consolidation and bankruptcy.
>>>It's like the second most advertized thing on TV, after SUVs.
>>>
>>I keep getting spam to refinance my house.
>>
>>Betty
>>
>
> I get offers to puchase fine art, fine wine and to learn Spanish.  At least I get classy
> spam.
>


        Jeez.  All mine is either from highly placed officials in
defunct African nations or Russian cuties just 4 me.

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 08:17 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>
>> Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:39:09 PM, Betty wrote:
>> > At 07:14 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>> >>Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:16:40 PM, Betty wrote:
>> >> >>Oh, I am making GIGA bucks, as always! But this is, by a strange
>> >> >>twist of geography, so close to Wrigley field that I dare not even
>> >> >>ask ...
>> >>
>> >> > That may be a negative for some.  I get excited when people get
>> their own
>> >> > places!
>> >>
>> >>Wrigley Field is a <hip> area nowadays. My lesbian cousin lives
>> >>there.
>>
>> > Well, if your lesbian cousin can afford it, Tushar can.  Women
>> always make
>> > less money. I read that on the web so it must be true.
>>
>> She's a teacher, so she makes very little, as Lisa can testify.
>
>
> I didn't say teachers made very little. I said I made more than them.


        The paycheck is much nicer in the summertime when I collect
it for sitting on my fat ass doing nothing at all.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> 2.  I just heard someone say that today France said that
> if Sadaam uses chemical weapons, etc. on the U. S. that
> they will come to our aid.  Does anyone besides me find this
> hilarious?

Why hilarious?  When I read it yesterday, it struck me as <logical>.
France has said all along that it would be in favor of a UN attack on
Iraq if cause was clearly established.  The use of chemical weapons
would be cause, wouldn't it?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I just saw a preview for Survivor, and evidently it's going to be
> steamy this week.

Oh good.  I'm still wondering why nobody has responded to my question
about whether we were supposed to assume that the rocket scientist and
the horsey-faced girl had sex last week.

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> worst are the raccoons and the...the...uh, fat, ugly..." I said (without
> thinking about it), "Possums?" "Yes. Possum." So there it was -- I thought I
> said "opossum" but here I didn't.

You are hereby validated as <talking right>.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

>  but the form of the coverage may change (Dubya likes
> HMOs).

But don't we have less than two years of him left?  Maybe his messes can
be cleaned up to some extent after that.

Quote of the week from ftf conversation:  "Daddy, I don't think
President Bush is thinking very well."  From the just-turned-eight
daughter of a friend of mine as he was driving her to school this
morning.

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> what they believe. As a matter of fact, good for Charlie Daniels too, I
> don't agree with his POV but he can say whatever he wants.

Which returns me to a question I think I asked earlier:  Why does
anybody care what the political views of musicians, movie stars, etc.
are?

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Yeah, tell her, Lisa.
>
> How was Florida?

Did Lisa ever say where in Florida she went?

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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alyce cresap wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>What is the smartest food you have ever ate?
>>
>
> Don't know about smart, but the nicest food I have ever ate is Girl
> Scouts Thin Mints and also some peanut butter cookies that came from
> some Rita person in St. Louis. She says I am supposed to pig out and
> grow. She must be a pretty nice lady, sending provisions to poor old
> ladies in the East.
>


        Alyce has saved me from the caloric tyranny of the girl
scouts.  Enjoy :).

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 4:01:56 PM, bonniev wrote:
> I am stunned at the amount of spam that the Hearthside Inn gets.   It must
> be because they own a domain.   I get no spam.  Now I am treated each day
> to five or six offers to enlarge my breasts or penis.

5 or 6?! I get about 250-300 pieces of spam/day.

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>I don't remember writing that "the US in 2003 is very much like Nazi
>Germany."  My memory is of writing something like "I wonder if this is
>how the Germans felt in the late '30s."  I do wonder that.

FWIW, here's a description by Thom Hartmann of the historical actions of
Hitler written in a way that strikingly mirrors the things Bush has done:
<http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0316-08.htm>.

By definition, it's slanted writing -- but Hartmann had to slant
significantly less than he should have had to in a piece like this.

Pete

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At 05:34 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 4:01:56 PM, bonniev wrote:
> > I am stunned at the amount of spam that the Hearthside Inn gets.   It must
> > be because they own a domain.   I get no spam.  Now I am treated each day
> > to five or six offers to enlarge my breasts or penis.
>
>5 or 6?! I get about 250-300 pieces of spam/day.

Yes, but you've been around.

Betty

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 5:56:32 PM, Betty wrote:

> At 05:34 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 4:01:56 PM, bonniev wrote:
>> > I am stunned at the amount of spam that the Hearthside Inn gets.   It must
>> > be because they own a domain.   I get no spam.  Now I am treated each day
>> > to five or six offers to enlarge my breasts or penis.
>>
>>5 or 6?! I get about 250-300 pieces of spam/day.

> Yes, but you've been around.

And I post to Usenet. 90% of my spam is to addresses I used only
on Usenet.

Jeff,
who is happy that her akBrrrrrrrp came back to her

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I turned on CBS news at 5:30 to see whether there was anything newer
than what I can read on cnn.com.  There wasn't, but I found interesting
a statement made by Whatshisname -- the WH person who does tv stuff.  He
shook his head and said, "Saddam has now committed his final act of
defiance."  That act of defiance, he said, was that Dubya had told
Saddam and his sons to leave Iraq within 48 hours.  So he defied Dubya's
command?  Is that in the category with defying UN resolutions?  I find
this confusing.
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lisa alfieri wrote:

> We had a great time. Among other things we...
> ...put 352 miles on our rental car
> ...went to the beach a couple times
> ...went to Miami

Where did you go originally?  As in where did you rent the car?  Where
were you other than Miami?

> ...has decided she could live in florida

I loved the three years I lived in Florida.

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bonniev wrote:
> And, don't forget, it is tonight rather than Thursday.

Eeeek!  Thank you.  How would somebody who doesn't read Words-L know?
How did you know?  And why is it tonight instead of tomorrow night?

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 6:01:53 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> bonniev wrote:
>> And, don't forget, it is tonight rather than Thursday.

> Eeeek!  Thank you.  How would somebody who doesn't read Words-L know?
> How did you know?  And why is it tonight instead of tomorrow night?

you don't think it's going to be dumped for war coverage?

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Karen Kay writes,

>5 or 6?! I get about 250-300 pieces of spam/day.

A couple people I respect highly really like POPFile
<http://popfile.sourceforge.net/>, a POP proxy / trainable Bayesian
filter.  One of them reports after a couple weeks that he's getting 99.9%
accuracy (real number, not hype) in sorting emails into 10 buckets, one of
which is for spam.

He gets about 60% spam, and out of the last 600 messages, only one
incorrectly ended up in the spam bucket -- and it was easy to fish out
before he flushed all the rest.

He appreciates that it's using *his* definition of spam, instead of someone
else's, and that his email gets sorted nicely, now, too.

As for me, I get about 3% spam, on a basis of 200-400 messages/day, because
my ISP uses blackhole lists to bounce incoming junk.  I've only had two
complaints from people saying they couldn't send me mail, both from folks
whose ISP hosts spammers.

Pete

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:

> I just ate the first Krispy Kreme donut
> of my life.

Am I mutant for not knowing for sure whether I've eaten a KK donut?
Almost certainly I have since (as we've discussed before) Krispy Kreme
has been around here for ages and since I've eaten various donuts in my
life.  Also, I still can't remember whether it was KK or Mr.D. across
the street from my apartment in Japan, where I once or twice ate
donuts.  I also ate donuts in Japan a couple of breakfasts when
traveling, and it was either KK or Mr.

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> >Thank you.  At least the war didn't start on my bday.  I'm mightily
> >depressed at the thought of today, though.

> First and most importantly, Happy Belated Birthday Natalie.

Thank you.  Re war and bdays, it's bad enough that the Mai Lai massacre
was on my bday.

> re: The War, a lot of people in my circle are depressed about it.

I should hope.

>  Tina has asked me on a number of
> occasions if we're going to be attacked w/ a nuclear weapon on our own soil.

Not likely by Iraq.  Which returns us to the question of -- nevermind --
why repeat it.

> Unlike
> Tina I don't fear nuclear weapons but bombing of some sort aren't off my
> radar screen.

Welcome to the late '50s and early '60s.  I'm sure I've told before the
story of thinking that I was not going to get to wear my two new dresses
to school because Krushev was going to be assassinated on his visit to
the US shortly before the beginning of that school year and the country
would be nuked as a result.

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Betty Clark wrote:

> >They look good hanging on the peg on the back of the bathroom door.  Much
> >like a commode-hugging rug looks good.   I'm sure you remember those.
>
> They do?

Sort of like a commode-hugging rug, she said.

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Doris Markland wrote:

>     Mayos says I'm downright healthy.

That is happy news (not that I thought you weren't -- you *seem*
healthy).

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After days of phone tag and a couple of VTV (voice-to-voice) meetings, we
finally connected for lunch in Newport.  clo is every bit as charming as
she is on list.  Since this was her trip, I'll let her post the WHTMIN when
she returns.  Now to get her to Acadiafest (I did it, no r!)

Terry

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Tony Harminc wrote:

> The "coalition" reminds me the lists of countries not using the
> metric system, or perhaps those doing capital punishment in a big

I thought that only the US and Sierre Leone were non-metric.  Are there
others?

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At 06:00 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > We had a great time. Among other things we...
> > ...put 352 miles on our rental car
> > ...went to the beach a couple times
> > ...went to Miami
>
>Where did you go originally?  As in where did you rent the car?  Where
>were you other than Miami?
>
> > ...has decided she could live in florida
>
>I loved the three years I lived in Florida.

  I hated being there in June but I know you like that weather.

Betty

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It's More Fun To Ask Adam To Ask The List, I guess. From Melanie:

-----Original Message-----
From: Demetriou, Melanie
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:25 AM
To: 'AMH'
Subject: IMFTAATATL


I want to send the nursery rhyme about Betty Butter to Karen [our sister]. A
web search
produces only this bastardized version, or variations thereof:
Betty Butter bought a butter,
But the butter Betty Butter
bought was too bitter,
So Betty Butter bought a
better butter to make the
bitter butter better.

That is *not* the way I learned it! Think a Wordsler might have the original
text?

Mel

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>Oh good.  I'm still wondering why nobody has responded to my question
>about whether we were supposed to assume that the rocket scientist and
>the horsey-faced girl had sex last week.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

No, we were supposed to assume that they did not.  They were more
interested in food and a shower than sex.   They had just met one
another.  There were cameras on them.


    --bonniev

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>Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 4:01:56 PM, bonniev wrote:
> > I am stunned at the amount of spam that the Hearthside Inn gets.   It must
> > be because they own a domain.   I get no spam.  Now I am treated each day
> > to five or six offers to enlarge my breasts or penis.
>
>5 or 6?! I get about 250-300 pieces of spam/day.     --Karen

Ohmygod.    They get about 30 or 40.  Only 5 or 6 are about penis
enlargement.    Why do you put up with that amount of spam?   It's ridiculous.


    --bonniev

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Tony Harminc wrote:

> > 2.  I just heard someone say that today France said that
> > if Sadaam uses chemical weapons, etc. on the U. S. that
> > they will come to our aid.  Does anyone besides me find this
> > hilarious?
>
> I don't. What do you find hilarious about it? Is it that France
> wouldn't have much to offer the US, or perhaps that France has
> opposed US warmongering? Or something else?

Thank you, Tony.  I was beginning to think my mind was mush or
something.  I found France's statement quite reasonable.

....
> Of course unlike almost all other countries, the US has never said it
> won't use nukes in a first strike.

Not to mention who has a <proven record> of nuking.  That's one thing
that I find so very weird about people saying things like, "Saddam has a
proven record of using weapons [of whatever kind]."  Ah, but the US?  Of
course not.  Weapons of mass destruction?  We wouldn't think of
developing such things, much less using them.  We are <virtuous>.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Betty Clark wrote:

> I also get spam to enlarge body part that I don't possess.

And that reminds me of the only time I've ever liked spam -- that time
in Hville after my mother was already bedridden but I checked her e-mail
for her when I was there.  I took her a printout of "Enlarge Your Penis"
mail, and she laughed for hours and hours, which was good for her.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>Eeeek!  Thank you.  How would somebody who doesn't read Words-L know?
>How did you know?  And why is it tonight instead of tomorrow night?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

It's tonight because basketball will be dancing tomorrow night.  I knew
because I watch the CBS soaps which will also be canceled tomorrow and Friday.


    --bonniev

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02003-03-19 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >5 or 6?! I get about 250-300 pieces of spam/day.     --Karen
>
> Ohmygod.    They get about 30 or 40.  Only 5 or 6 are about penis
> enlargement.    Why do you put up with that amount of spam?   It's
> ridiculous.

She is *bragging* about the number ... puh!

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At 07:41 PM 3/19/2003 -0500, Terry WIld wrote:
>   Now to get her to Acadiafest (I did it, no r!)

There is hope for you.

cwv

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Even India--with only about 30 years of official democracy--was
healthy enough to come out of two years of "internal emergency"
and suspension of elections, and vote the ***** out of office.
So it just seems unthinkable to me that anything resembling a
tenth of that could happen here ...

Please don't read me as a patronizing shit laughing at "paranoid
girls", though.

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In a message dated 3/19/2003 4:04:59 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< Oh good.  I'm still wondering why nobody has responded to my question
about whether we were supposed to assume that the rocket scientist and
the horsey-faced girl had sex last week.
 >>

Perhaps because we don't give a damn, do you think? Theo

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02003-03-19 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 3/19/2003 4:04:59 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
> << Oh good.  I'm still wondering why nobody has responded to my question
> about whether we were supposed to assume that the rocket scientist and
> the horsey-faced girl had sex last week.
>  >>
>
> Perhaps because we don't give a damn, do you think? Theo

Don't give a damn? Why, thank you. I don't know where you got
the idea but thanks a lot indeed. That's definitely the shittiest
gesture anybody's ever made.

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> >= Betty Clark
> >Stephanie Mandell
> Alec D. Plotkin-IT Support Specialist

[snip]

What happened to the four-line sig? That's what mine at work is.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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>Betty Butter bought a butter,
>But the butter Betty Butter
>bought was too bitter,
>So Betty Butter bought a
>better butter to make the
>bitter butter better.

I remember that it started:

Betty Botta bought some butter
but she found the butter bitter
...

Bethany

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>>I loved the three years I lived in Florida.   --Natalie
>
>I hated being there in June but I know you like that weather.
>Betty

I rather enjoyed the two partial years that I lived in Gainesville,
Florida.   But I never spent a June or July or August there.   The azaleas
blooming everywhere in February were quite nice.   I wouldn't want to live
there permanently.   But the Gainesville and Ocala area certainly were nice
to visit.


    --bonniev

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> Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 10:06:25 AM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > Seems like there should be a function key or some combination
> of keyboard
> > commands that would let me minimize even though I can't click
> on anything
> > to do it the way I used to.

Sounds to me like your DOS window is set to start up in full screen mode.
Press ALT-ENTER to switch it back to windowed mode, and then you can
minimize it to your heart's content.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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alyce cresap wrote (followed by quoted):
>
> I don't know if this law has been replaced, but in answer to your
> question of the other day:

Thanks.  And has the war started yet?  I was busy watching Survivor.
Was happy with the result.  And speaking of tv, just think of all this
good tv we've got ahead of us, alternating between cheering for
basketball and cheering for bombs.

> make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to

Who gets to decide what is false?

>  shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any
> disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of
> government of the United States,

Uh oh.  Does that mean language abusing Dubya and his gang?

> or the Constitution of the United
> States,

I am a great believer in the Constitution of the United States, which
was violated when Congress voted last fall to give Dubya the go-ahead
for this war.

> or the military or naval forces of the United States

I am in no way disrespectful of the military.  In fact, I am galled by
the people making a dichotomy between support of peace and support of
the troops, as if those are mutually exclusive attitudes, which they are
not.  Troops don't make decisions on when, where, why to fight.

> shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy,

Eek.  Have we officially declared France an enemy yet, or are we going
to wait until after Iraq to attack France?  I have a French-flag
windsock.  It happens to be in my junk-room right now, but I think I've
said before that my junk-room contains many things that I don't consider
junk.

> act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United
> States is at war

I stay a bit confused by what "at war" means in these days of our not
officially declaring war since it's more convenient not to.  And that
reminds me of something else I've been thinking a good bit about lately,
though I've thought about in the past also:  Does anybody else find the
idea or "rules" re war odd?  I mean international rules -- as in
countries are going at each other and killing each other's soldiers, yet
there are "rules."  Something about that raises in me the same kinds of
thoughts I had back when we had the "black market tax" in Mississippi --
the tax on liquor sold in the state, even though selling liquor in the
state was illegal.

> or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States
> therein, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or
> imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both....

Well, I've got my home-equity loan that could take care of the $10,000.
Do you know where I would be imprisoned?  Would it have internet
connections?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Good, I knew you could!
;)

clo

Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 1:32:05 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > can you say "under the radar" ?
>
> 'under the radar'.:)
>
> The only good thing is that they'll probably lose.
>
> > BrP
>
> >> ANWR drilling is supposed to be voted on today.
> >>
> >> Karen

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> I use F-Secure SSH. I switched from PuTTY when someone here told me it was
> found to lead to file system corruption.

I'm happily muddling along with plain old free TerraTerm Pro telnet.

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bonniev wrote:

> I am stunned at the amount of spam that the Hearthside Inn gets.   It must
> be because they own a domain.   I get no spam.  Now I am treated each day
> to five or six offers to enlarge my breasts or penis.

It's not about owning a domain.  I get mega-mega-mega amounts of spam at
ra.msstate.edu but very little at my own domain.  Neither of those
incoming places has spam filters.  I think the difference is that my ra
address has been bandied about the net for far longer.

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  But Jaye Albright, a consultant to fifty country radio stations in
  the U.S. and Canada, calls the controversy "a tempest in a teapot."

  "Out of some 2,100 country stations in America, maybe five or six
  boycotted the Chicks, and most of them only for a day or two as a
  publicity stunt," says Albright, singling out a bulldozing of Chicks
  CDs by Shreveport, Louisiana, station KRMD that drew an estimated
  200 to 400 listeners. "A station can get that many people at any
  remote broadcast from a car dealership. It was very underwhelming,
  almost laughable."

Not that anybody sane expected otherwise, but this is why it
really annoys me when someone says "no, the fans have begun to
destroy the CDs!", such as might be K-R-N. I mean I understand
how traumatic separation from "Akbar" could be, but come on ...

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Eeeek!  Thank you.  How would somebody who doesn't read Words-L know?
> > How did you know?  And why is it tonight instead of tomorrow night?
>
> you don't think it's going to be dumped for war coverage?

Tonight's Survivor?  No.  (That's easy to say now that I've already
watched it, but I would have said the same thing earlier.)  Isn't the
war going to wait until the sandstorm subsides?

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Terry WIld wrote:
>
> After days of phone tag and a couple of VTV (voice-to-voice) meetings, we
> finally connected for lunch in Newport.  clo is every bit as charming as
> she is on list.  Since this was her trip, I'll let her post the WHTMIN when
> she returns.  Now to get her to Acadiafest (I did it, no r!)

Good work, Terry!  What do you think our odds are of luring her to
UnReal Maine in July?

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>Not that anybody sane expected otherwise, but this is why it
>really annoys me when someone says "no, the fans have begun to
>destroy the CDs!", such as might be K-R-N.

She probably said that because she saw the TV footage of the fans doing
exactly that.   They took a tractor or a car or something and ran over
Dixie Chick CDs and tapes.   It made exciting TV for some.  As the footage
rolled, some female talking head of a certain age even said "I will
certainly never buy another Dixie Chick CD."


    --bonniev

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02003-03-19 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Eek.  Have we officially declared France an enemy yet, or are we going
> to wait until after Iraq to attack France?  I have a French-flag
> windsock.  It happens to be in my junk-room right now, but I think I've
> said before that my junk-room contains many things that I don't consider
> junk.

Dr Maynor, even though France is an effeminate anti-semitic
soon-to-become-Muslim rogue state, I think the possibility
of its becoming an enemy is remote. Though there might be
a bout of childish and pissy "I'm not TALKING to you" and
"trade war" moves ... I hope this sets your mind at rest.
However, if the RRB&SIL could be discovered to like wines
and cheeses, it would be a good idea to remind them that
these are high-profile products in a trade war.

North Korea is perhaps the next evil to take on--trained
weapons-detecting psychics are already gathering justi-
fication for preventive war ...

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>Isn't the war going to wait until the sandstorm subsides?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Now the word is that there is a "strategical advantage" to allowing the
enemy to watch the sky for awhile.   Perhaps they will wait for the dark of
the moon.


    --bonniev

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>Good work, Terry!  What do you think our odds are of luring her to
>UnReal Maine in July?      -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Quite good, I'd say.  She's already made inquiries.


    --bonniev

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--On Wednesday, March 19, 2003 8:41 PM -0600 Natalie Maynor
<natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

>
> Good work, Terry!  What do you think our odds are of luring her to
> UnReal Maine in July?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

I'd have to say it is extremely possible.

Terry

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02003-03-19 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >Not that anybody sane expected otherwise, but this is why it
> >really annoys me when someone says "no, the fans have begun to
> >destroy the CDs!", such as might be K-R-N.
>
> She probably said that because she saw the TV footage of the fans doing
> exactly that.   They took a tractor or a car or something and ran over
> Dixie Chick CDs and tapes.   It made exciting TV for some.  As the footage
> rolled, some female talking head of a certain age even said "I will
> certainly never buy another Dixie Chick CD."

I see I have failed to communicate. Let me rephrase: it annoys
me when somebody channels that day's talking head.

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> Now the word is that there is a "strategical advantage" to allowing the
> enemy to watch the sky for awhile.   Perhaps they will wait for
> the dark of
> the moon.

They haven't waited. CNN reporting anti-aircraft fire, explosions over
Baghdad. President Bush is to address the nation at 10:15 EST.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Oh good.  I'm still wondering why nobody has responded to my question
> >about whether we were supposed to assume that the rocket scientist and
> >the horsey-faced girl had sex last week.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> No, we were supposed to assume that they did not.  They were more
> interested in food and a shower than sex.   They had just met one
> another.  There were cameras on them.

But they got the food and shower first.  Then they nestled into that
double bed together.  And they'd gotten to know each other pretty well
by then.  Were the cameras on them all night?

I'm not sure whether I'm as big a fan of the rocket scientist as I was
at first.  He was my favorite for a good while, but I've started
wondering about him.  I think it was his decision to vote off Jean(?)
last week because he had learned from the horse-faced person whose name
I don't know that Jean was going to be the next to go.  Iow, he was too
believing of Hores-Face's every word, imho.  She's the one who was
promoting Heidi.  I can't see what Heidi has going for her in any way.
She strikes me as one who should've gone ages ago.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Betty wrote:

> >I loved the three years I lived in Florida.
>
>   I hated being there in June but I know you like that weather.

I moved from Florida to Memphis and found Memphis quite hot.  Florida
never felt hot to me.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Eeeek!  Thank you.  How would somebody who doesn't read Words-L know?
> >How did you know?  And why is it tonight instead of tomorrow night?
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> It's tonight because basketball will be dancing tomorrow night.  I knew
> because I watch the CBS soaps which will also be canceled tomorrow and Friday.

Oh.  Our first game is late Friday night.  I would be thinking about
watching at least part of it, but I can't since there's an Englist-Dept
Symposium that night, with the paper to start at almost exactly the time
our basketball game starts.  Maybe I'll sneak out just before the paper
and come home and watch the game.  (Obvioulsy I don't *have to* go to
the symposium.  But I want to go because it's being hosted by some good
friends of mine who now live in Japan most of the year and whom I see
not very often and because I like the person reading, etc. etc.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Rita:

>         I dunno. I don't have any problem in knowing that my
>religious tendencies aren't very logical... I mean, faith is
>all about believing what can't be proven.  I gave up trying
>to be sensible about it a long time ago and I just accept
>that I'm superstitious.  I guess it could be snobbery to be
>able to frame my belief system in a discussion of mythology,
>but I don't see any real conflict in that.

ok. Thanks. I don't get religion on any level anymore -
spiritual, intellectual, personal, social ... it's a big puzzle.

-rashmi

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Tushar:

>I see I have failed to communicate. Let me rephrase: it annoys
>me when somebody channels that day's talking head.

Why?


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>President Bush is to address the nation at 10:15 EST.

Great.  That means on the West Coast they will cut away from that and
return folk to their regularly scheduled programming -- Survivor.


    --bonniev

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>Tushar:
>>I see I have failed to communicate. Let me rephrase: it annoys
>>me when somebody channels that day's talking head.
>
>Why?      --Rashmi

Ask not why.   Just about everything annoys the T Bone.


    --bonniev

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bonniev:

> >Good work, Terry!  What do you think our odds are of luring her to
> >UnReal Maine in July?      -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

>Quite good, I'd say.  She's already made inquiries.

Speaking of which, there's been no reply from Eden Brook to my
reservation request. I sent the e-mail on Sunday ...

-rashmi



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>Speaking of which, there's been no reply from Eden Brook to my
>reservation request. I sent the e-mail on Sunday ...
>-rashmi

Better try calling them up.   God knows who is looking at their email this
time of year.   The motel is boarded up for the winter.   The owners might
be in Florida this week or something.

I just made a reservation for July 16th and 17th at the Island Inn on
Monhegan Island, ten miles off the coast of Maine.   I know from experience
that the woman taking reservations isn't even out on that island at this
time of year.   I did get a room booked though.  It will be our "recover
from Acadiafest" vacation.


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At 6:55 PM -0800 3/19/03, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>They haven't waited. CNN reporting anti-aircraft fire, explosions over
>Baghdad. President Bush is to address the nation at 10:15 EST.

I suspect that the top headline in tomorrow's edition of The Onion will be
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"HOLY FUCKING SHIT!
America at War!"

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Suddenly a couple of weeks ago, I began to get large amts of
spam from "Russian girls [who] want to meet" me
clo



Betty Clark wrote:

> At 12:40 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >Another profession in demand is debt consolidation and bankruptcy.
> >It's like the second most advertized thing on TV, after SUVs.
>
> I keep getting spam to refinance my house.
>
> Betty

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Terry WIld wrote:

> After days of phone tag and a couple of VTV (voice-to-voice) meetings, we
> finally connected for lunch in Newport.  clo is every bit as charming as
> she is on list.  Since this was her trip, I'll let her post the WHTMIN when
> she returns.  Now to get her to Acadiafest (I did it, no r!)
>
> Terry

I would counter and say that Terry and Edward are much more
charming than I, but I don't want to upset Tushar.

Seriously, it was the most fun I had in five days.
Will do WHTMIN after sleep.
clo

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That Brother Paul is such a jokester!

BB

At 10:22 PM 3/19/2003 -0500, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>Suddenly a couple of weeks ago, I began to get large amts of
>spam from "Russian girls [who] want to meet" me
>clo
>
>
>
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > At 12:40 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > >Another profession in demand is debt consolidation and bankruptcy.
> > >It's like the second most advertized thing on TV, after SUVs.
> >
> > I keep getting spam to refinance my house.
> >
> > Betty

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02003-03-20 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Tushar:
>
> >I see I have failed to communicate. Let me rephrase: it annoys
> >me when somebody channels that day's talking head.
>
> Why?

There are two aspects to this question^U Combine the facts,
"RASHMI"! (a) it came from a talking head on TV; (b) somebody
channelled THAT. What are the odds that it's not the most
predictable and superficial truth? Astronomically small.
What are the odds that you thought about it already? Astro-
nomically large. Hence hearing it is a waste of time, which
really kinda annoys me.

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At 10:54 AM -0800 3/19/03, Karen Kay wrote:
>Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 12:46:33 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> POP is a regression to the 19th century.
>
>Prove it.

Why POP when you can IMAP?

Ken Miller
Systems Annalist
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I confess, this aspect had not occurred to me!
clo

Betty wrote:

> That Brother Paul is such a jokester!
>
> BB
>
> At 10:22 PM 3/19/2003 -0500, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >Suddenly a couple of weeks ago, I began to get large amts of
> >spam from "Russian girls [who] want to meet" me
> >clo
> >
> >
> >
> >Betty Clark wrote:
> >
> > > At 12:40 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > > >Another profession in demand is debt consolidation and bankruptcy.
> > > >It's like the second most advertized thing on TV, after SUVs.
> > >
> > > I keep getting spam to refinance my house.
> > >
> > > Betty

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On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Theodora Groothof wrote:

> Perhaps because we don't give a damn, do you think? Theo

'Atta girl, Theo, plus I'm glad you stopped the HUGZ!

Ann
GRABZ!

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 2:12:57 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> <smooch!>

> Now I know you are Christian by your love.

Moi?


> Why can't mail just GO to it the normal way? Why do you need
> another protocol for it? Etc etc. I read my mail where my
> mailbox is.

Well, I recognize that you're channelling Natalie, but I still
have to say: I can't afford the long distance calls to CA.

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> >=  Are you using the native
> >= Windows telnet? That sucks in a lot of ways.

I don't remember who wrote this or even whether they were asking me.  But
I will answer: Yes, and I agree, AND I don't have any freakin choice at
work - they won't let me even download the goddamned Google TOOLBAR.  I
have protested and requested and am waiting the next turndown to protest
again.

At home, I use Nifty Telnet 1,1 SSH r3, because RAHUL says to use it.

Ann

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 6:04:30 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Karen Kay writes,

>>5 or 6?! I get about 250-300 pieces of spam/day.

> A couple people I respect highly really like POPFile
> <http://popfile.sourceforge.net/>, a POP proxy / trainable Bayesian
> filter.  One of them reports after a couple weeks that he's getting 99.9%
> accuracy (real number, not hype) in sorting emails into 10 buckets, one of
> which is for spam.

I'm not sure what a POP proxy / trainable Bayesian filter is, but
The Bat! does an excellent job. I have more than 10 buckets--over
30, but I probably use about 20 of them regularly. It catches 95%
of my spam, something like that.

> He gets about 60% spam, and out of the last 600 messages, only one
> incorrectly ended up in the spam bucket -- and it was easy to fish out
> before he flushed all the rest.

Cool. I go through my spam, but I have them sorted by the address
they are sent to, so that makes it a lot easier to determine when
something ends up there by accident.

> As for me, I get about 3% spam, on a basis of 200-400 messages/day, because
> my ISP uses blackhole lists to bounce incoming junk.  I've only had two
> complaints from people saying they couldn't send me mail, both from folks
> whose ISP hosts spammers.

I'd rather get more spam and filter it than not be able to get
e-mail.

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 6:53:00 PM, bonniev wrote:
> Why do you put up with that amount of spam?   It's ridiculous.

I filter it out. What else am I supposed to do about it????

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 6:58:07 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-19 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
>> >5 or 6?! I get about 250-300 pieces of spam/day.     --Karen
>>
>> Ohmygod.    They get about 30 or 40.  Only 5 or 6 are about penis
>> enlargement.    Why do you put up with that amount of spam?   It's
>> ridiculous.

> She is *bragging* about the number ... puh!

No brag, just fact...

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 8:36:07 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

>   But Jaye Albright, a consultant to fifty country radio stations in
>   the U.S. and Canada, calls the controversy "a tempest in a teapot."

>   "Out of some 2,100 country stations in America, maybe five or six
>   boycotted the Chicks, and most of them only for a day or two as a
>   publicity stunt," says Albright, singling out a bulldozing of Chicks
>   CDs by Shreveport, Louisiana, station KRMD that drew an estimated
>   200 to 400 listeners. "A station can get that many people at any
>   remote broadcast from a car dealership. It was very underwhelming,
>   almost laughable."

> Not that anybody sane expected otherwise, but this is why it
> really annoys me when someone says "no, the fans have begun to
> destroy the CDs!", such as might be K-R-N. I mean I understand
> how traumatic separation from "Akbar" could be, but come on ...

He's back now, so my trauma is over.

I don't get what part of 'fans are destroying CDs' is untrue.

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 8:38:52 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> > Eeeek!  Thank you.  How would somebody who doesn't read Words-L know?
>> > How did you know?  And why is it tonight instead of tomorrow night?
>>
>> you don't think it's going to be dumped for war coverage?

> Tonight's Survivor?  No.  (That's easy to say now that I've already
> watched it, but I would have said the same thing earlier.)  Isn't the
> war going to wait until the sandstorm subsides?

No.

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 8:49:00 PM, bonniev wrote:

>>Isn't the war going to wait until the sandstorm subsides?
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

> Now the word is that there is a "strategical advantage" to allowing the
> enemy to watch the sky for awhile.   Perhaps they will wait for the dark of
> the moon.

That's what Ligniere thinks. March 28th.

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 8:51:17 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-19 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
>> >Not that anybody sane expected otherwise, but this is why it
>> >really annoys me when someone says "no, the fans have begun to
>> >destroy the CDs!", such as might be K-R-N.
>>
>> She probably said that because she saw the TV footage of the fans doing
>> exactly that.   They took a tractor or a car or something and ran over
>> Dixie Chick CDs and tapes.   It made exciting TV for some.  As the footage
>> rolled, some female talking head of a certain age even said "I will
>> certainly never buy another Dixie Chick CD."

> I see I have failed to communicate. Let me rephrase: it annoys
> me when somebody channels that day's talking head.

I didn't channel a talking head.

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>>President Bush is to address the nation at 10:15 EST.
>
>Great.  That means on the West Coast they will cut away from that and
>return folk to their regularly scheduled programming -- Survivor.
>
>
>    --bonniev

???

I can't figure out what message you're sending here.  West Coasters, unlike
patriotic Americans, wouldn't switch to CNN if the president were declaring
war on a foreign country?

Anyay, out here on the fringes of decent society, we get Survivor at the
late hour of 8:00 PM local time, 11:00 PM Presidential time.  The
announcement was 45 minutes ago and the talking heads, having had nothing
new to report for the last 45 minutes, have finally released the TV
cameras, and we have our regularly scheduled programming

I wouldn't mind missing Survivor for breaking news, but I'd be really
pissed if I missed it for talking heads with nothing to say.

Ken Miller
Richard Hatch School of Survival Studies

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-19 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> >
>
> Dr Borkin, I think you should use an SSH client of some kind.
> Telnetting is pathetic.

Color me pathetic too. I love telnet, even though I have set up a
pretty effective filtering system in Netscape.
Right now it's telling me I only have 237 unread messages in
my Words-L folder...
but I am still going home to bed now.
clo

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> > Yes, it's the Newport Marriott. Biggest drawback...
> > Business Center is on the blink, no internet unless I
> > go to Kinko's. Not impressive for the conference folk.
>
> Last time I was there, it was 1995 or 6, and there was no pervasive
> Internet.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com

*Politely*
How interesting.

I had no idea how important it had become to me until I was
deprived while trying to make assignations with people.

And thanks to cell phones, almost <No> working pay
phones anywhere!

clo

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 9:51:58 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> I don't remember who wrote this or even whether they were asking me.  But
> I will answer: Yes, and I agree, AND I don't have any freakin choice at
> work - they won't let me even download the goddamned Google TOOLBAR.  I
> have protested and requested and am waiting the next turndown to protest
> again.

What do you need the Google Toolbar for?

> At home, I use Nifty Telnet 1,1 SSH r3, because RAHUL says to use it.

One of Rahul's many good points is that he really doesn't give a
shit what you use.

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> >Great.  That means on the West Coast they will cut away from that and
> >return folk to their regularly scheduled programming -- Survivor.
> >    --bonniev
>
>???
>
>I can't figure out what message you're sending here.  West Coasters, unlike
>patriotic Americans, wouldn't switch to CNN if the president were declaring
>war on a foreign country?
>Ken Miller
>Richard Hatch School of Survival Studies

Oh, it's just the absurdity of it all.   The US is dropping bombs, killing
people.  Our soldiers are getting gassed and poisoned and in a
sandstorm.   But here in the good ole USA we sit on our overfed asses and
watch the latest reality show.   The talking heads treat war like one more
spectator sport and then return us to our "regularly scheduled
programming."   Life has just gotten too bizarre for me.  And Sunday night
our movie stars will accept their awards.   "So it goes."    or   "Beam me
up Scotty."


    --bonniev

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At 11:13 PM 3/19/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>> >Great.  That means on the West Coast they will cut away from that and
>> >return folk to their regularly scheduled programming -- Survivor.
>> >    --bonniev
>>
>>???
>>
>>I can't figure out what message you're sending here.  West Coasters, unlike
>>patriotic Americans, wouldn't switch to CNN if the president were declaring
>>war on a foreign country?
>>Ken Miller
>>Richard Hatch School of Survival Studies
>
>Oh, it's just the absurdity of it all.   The US is dropping bombs, killing
>people.  Our soldiers are getting gassed and poisoned and in a
>sandstorm.   But here in the good ole USA we sit on our overfed asses and
>watch the latest reality show.   The talking heads treat war like one more
>spectator sport and then return us to our "regularly scheduled
>programming."   Life has just gotten too bizarre for me.  And Sunday night
>our movie stars will accept their awards.   "So it goes."    or   "Beam me
>up Scotty."

What did you have for dinner tonight?

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>What did you have for dinner tonight?

Soup and freshly baked bread.


    --bonniev

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On the subject of sedition,
a nameless apolitical just handed me this url:
<http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/top11/kim_jong_bush.htm>

clo

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The ANWR thing failed.

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>Oh, it's just the absurdity of it all.   The US is dropping bombs, killing
>people.  Our soldiers are getting gassed and poisoned and in a
>sandstorm.   But here in the good ole USA we sit on our overfed asses and
>watch the latest reality show.   The talking heads treat war like one more
>spectator sport and then return us to our "regularly scheduled
>programming."   Life has just gotten too bizarre for me.  And Sunday night
>our movie stars will accept their awards.   "So it goes."    or   "Beam me
>up Scotty."
>
>
>    --bonniev

     ...And they, since they
     Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs.

     Robert Frost, "Out, out--"


I remember being really bent out of shape when the first Gulf War started.
I remember being barely functioning after 9/11.

This particular juggernaut has been on the march for months, and for all
the hope that many people (including myself) had, it was not a matter of
if, but when.

The consequences are sad, and they will get sadder.  But in the meanwhile,
our lives go on.

Ken Miller
William Saroyan School for the Study of the Human Comedy

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 8:49:31 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> But they got the food and shower first.  Then they nestled into that
> double bed together.  And they'd gotten to know each other pretty well
> by then.  Were the cameras on them all night?

Why do you care?

> She was the one who was promoting Heidi. I can't see what Heidi
> has going for her in any way. She strikes me as one who
> should've gone ages ago.

Why? She's a gym teacher, she's gotta be strong.

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:09:25 -0600
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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 1:42:37 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Don't know about smart, but the nicest food I have ever ate is Girl
> Scouts Thin Mints and also some peanut butter cookies that came from
> some Rita person in St. Louis. She says I am supposed to pig out and
> grow. She must be a pretty nice lady, sending provisions to poor old
> ladies in the East.

I'm glad she's fattening you up. Good luck tomorrow with your
scan/biopsy. I love you, Alyce, and I'll be thinking of you.

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:12:46 -0600
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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 1:09:08 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

> Bush has sent his official notification to Congress that he intends to make
> not-nice.
> The Speaker of the House responded with:
> "This is not a declaration that we are in any specific type of activity at this
> time,"
> uh huh

> akBrP

This sounds like what I used to tell my Mom when she asked me
what I was doing in the basement that was making so much noise.

Jeff

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At 11:01 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 8:49:31 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > But they got the food and shower first.  Then they nestled into that
> > double bed together.  And they'd gotten to know each other pretty well
> > by then.  Were the cameras on them all night?
>
>Why do you care?

Inquiring minds!

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 11:28:47 PM, Betty wrote:

> At 11:01 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 8:49:31 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > But they got the food and shower first.  Then they nestled into that
>> > double bed together.  And they'd gotten to know each other pretty well
>> > by then.  Were the cameras on them all night?
>>
>>Why do you care?

> Inquiring minds!

Is it unAmerican not to care about other people's sex lives?

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At 11:27 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 11:28:47 PM, Betty wrote:
>
> > At 11:01 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 8:49:31 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >> > But they got the food and shower first.  Then they nestled into that
> >> > double bed together.  And they'd gotten to know each other pretty well
> >> > by then.  Were the cameras on them all night?
> >>
> >>Why do you care?
>
> > Inquiring minds!
>
>Is it unAmerican not to care about other people's sex lives?


I'm sure it is!  There should be web cams in all bedrooms!

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>>> > But they got the food and shower first.  Then they nestled into that
>>> > double bed together.  And they'd gotten to know each other pretty well
>>> > by then.  Were the cameras on them all night?
>>>
>>>Why do you care?
>
>> Inquiring minds!
>
>Is it unAmerican not to care about other people's sex lives?

"Lechery, lechery; still, wars and lechery; nothing else holds fashion."
--Shakespeare, _Troilus and Cressida_, Act V, Scene 2

Ken Miller
Quotational Correspondent
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Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 11:42:45 PM, Bookrat wrote:

>>>> > But they got the food and shower first.  Then they nestled into that
>>>> > double bed together.  And they'd gotten to know each other pretty well
>>>> > by then.  Were the cameras on them all night?
>>>>
>>>>Why do you care?
>>
>>> Inquiring minds!
>>
>>Is it unAmerican not to care about other people's sex lives?

> "Lechery, lechery; still, wars and lechery; nothing else holds fashion."
> --Shakespeare, _Troilus and Cressida_, Act V, Scene 2

LOL. You win.:)

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09:57 19.03.2003 -0500 skrev Alec D. Plotkin:
>>=
>>= Betty Clark
>>= Manager Diagnostic Support Services
>>= University Health Services
>>= UC Berkeley
>>= 2222 Bancroft Way , Room 1139
>>= Berkeley, CA 94720-4300
>>= email:bclark@uhs.berkeley.edu
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>>= http://www.uhs.berkeley.edu
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>>Oooh.  Corporate Signature Competition!
>>
>>Now that I actually have a job title, I can compete!
>>
>>Stephanie Mandell
>>PEDC Deployment Manager
>>United Pan-Europe Communications N.V.
>>The Netherlands
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>
>I'll play too.
>
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>alec
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> ------------
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>''There was never a good war or a bad peace.'' - Benjamin Franklin

Me too!

Espen


Espen S. Ore
Overingeniør, IT-avdelingen, Nasjonalbiblioteket avd. Oslo
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Karen Kay:
= Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 10:42:05 AM, steph wrote:
= > = I use TeraTerm SSH for telnetting. Are you using the native
= > = Windows telnet? That sucks in a lot of ways.
=
= > I used to think that TeraTerm SSH was great, but I've gotten
= > hooked on PuTTY.
=
= I like PuTTY, too. I think I had it on the hard drive that died.
=
= Actually, I have succumbed to the 20th century and am now
= exclusively POPping my mail. Who'd a thunk it?!

What's that leave, me, Tushar and Natalie as the throwbacks?

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> However, if the RRB&SIL could be discovered to like wines
> and cheeses, it would be a good idea to remind them that
> these are high-profile products in a trade war.

Their only operating principle is do whatever is comfortable,
convenient, and helpful to them personally.  They aren't into principles
that involve sacrifice.  If French products that they might like become
illegal, they'll be able to buy them on the black market.

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bonniev wrote:

> Monhegan Island, ten miles off the coast of Maine.   I know from experience

How will you travel there?  Will you row?

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Bookrat wrote:

> Why POP when you can IMAP?

Not all servers offer IMAP.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > But they got the food and shower first.  Then they nestled into that
> > double bed together.  And they'd gotten to know each other pretty well
> > by then.  Were the cameras on them all night?
>
> Why do you care?

Because watching Survivor means caring about the <characters>.  If I
didn't care, I wouldn't watch it.

> > She was the one who was promoting Heidi. I can't see what Heidi
> > has going for her in any way. She strikes me as one who
> > should've gone ages ago.
>
> Why? She's a gym teacher, she's gotta be strong.

I can't see that she's contributed anything.  She just slouches around
looking fish-faced.

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I think I mentioned last night that I find things like "rules" of war
baffling.  I'm also confused by something else.  Don't we have a general
law or rule or whatever against assassinating foreign leaders?  Wouldn't
the plan last night of trying to go straight for Saddam and kill him be
a violation of that?  I'm not suggesting that was a bad idea -- as long
as we're getting into the bloody mess, it would seem efficient to try to
get rid of him first in hope of averting more death and destruction.
Iow, I'm not taking a <position> here.  I'm just asking for help in
understanding how these rules, laws, etc. work.  Like what does the one
about not assassinating heads of state mean if it apparently doesn't
mean trying to kill Saddam?
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A poster on another list longs for Verner's ginger ale - does anyone know
where (what cities) it is  available in?

Thanks,
Bethany

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>bonniev wrote:
>
> > Monhegan Island, ten miles off the coast of Maine.   I know from experience
>
>How will you travel there?  Will you row?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I don't do ocean rowing.   It's a rather long kayak paddle.  There is a ferry.


    --bonniev

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Did I ever tell you the story about the woman in Tomsk who beat me with a bouquet
of roses because I refused to marry her daughter?

BrP



> That Brother Paul is such a jokester!
>
> BB
>
> At 10:22 PM 3/19/2003 -0500, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >Suddenly a couple of weeks ago, I began to get large amts of
> >spam from "Russian girls [who] want to meet" me
> >clo
> >
> >
> >
> >Betty Clark wrote:
> >
> > > At 12:40 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > > >Another profession in demand is debt consolidation and bankruptcy.
> > > >It's like the second most advertized thing on TV, after SUVs.
> > >
> > > I keep getting spam to refinance my house.
> > >
> > > Betty

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> A poster on another list longs for Verner's ginger ale - does anyone know
> where (what cities) it is  available in?

Starkville, Mississippi, USA.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
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> Did I ever tell you the story about the woman in Tomsk who beat me with a bouquet
> of roses because I refused to marry her daughter?

Which meaning of beat?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> >Oh, it's just the absurdity of it all.   The US is dropping bombs, killing
> >people.  Our soldiers are getting gassed and poisoned and in a
> >sandstorm.   But here in the good ole USA we sit on our overfed asses and
> >watch the latest reality show.   The talking heads treat war like one more
> >spectator sport and then return us to our "regularly scheduled
> >programming."   Life has just gotten too bizarre for me.  And Sunday night
> >our movie stars will accept their awards.   "So it goes."    or   "Beam me
> >up Scotty."
> >
> >
> >    --bonniev
>
>      ...And they, since they
>      Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs.
>
>      Robert Frost, "Out, out--"
>
>
> I remember being really bent out of shape when the first Gulf War started.
> I remember being barely functioning after 9/11.
>
> This particular juggernaut has been on the march for months, and for all
> the hope that many people (including myself) had, it was not a matter of
> if, but when.
>
> The consequences are sad, and they will get sadder.  But in the meanwhile,
> our lives go on.
>
> Ken Miller
> William Saroyan School for the Study of the Human Comedy




I remember that when<Bush I> lauched <Gulf War I> we were in the middle of
rehearsals for Macbeth.  The image from Act 2 Scene 2 of Lady M saying "I have
done the deed. Didst thou not hear a noise?" has stayed with me.

BrP

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> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> >
> > Did I ever tell you the story about the woman in Tomsk who beat me with a bouquet
> > of roses because I refused to marry her daughter?
>
> Which meaning of beat?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

accosted, hit, assaulted

BrP

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Isn't it VernOrs not VernErs ?

BrP




> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >
> > A poster on another list longs for Verner's ginger ale - does anyone know
> > where (what cities) it is  available in?
>
> Starkville, Mississippi, USA.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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I have a good friend in Toronto who grew up in Hungary.  He spent a year in China
teaching English and he talks about the similarities between Hungarian and Chinese.  I
myself don't know enough about any of these languages to have an opinion, but I offer
his for what it's worth.

BrP




>
> Hungarian and Japanese are frighteningly close. (I was a teaching
> assistant for a woman who gave Hungarian examples for everything
> she taught.)
>
> Kristin, people argue about where Japanese belongs. It's a
> favorite topic of conversation among Japanese linguists. It
> doesn't really matter, and you may not believe it, that's fine.
>
> Karen

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> My quote for the week.
>
>
> ''There was never a good war or a bad peace.'' - Benjamin Franklin
>
> alec

"There was never a good whore or a bad piece."  -Bill Clinton

(I know - this is totally unfair, but I couldn't resist)

BrP

Paul R. Barfoot
Special Collections
Syracuse University Library

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> = --- Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> wrote:
> = > Sure we've managed in one way or another. Even if
> = > neither of us knows cued speech.
> = >
> = > Kristin
> Carolyn Ostrander responded:
> = All right, what's the cued speech remark for? Pick a
> = thing even my mouse brain can respond to, and talk
> = about it when I'm not looking, go ahead...
> =
> and then  steph wrote:
> >It was beyond me.  That's all I have to say.

steph,
Kristin was making a reference to my area of expertise, an
obscure method of communication. She picked it off my
web page, but I got all excited because I thought someone
else had heard of it before.

clo

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-17 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> >
> > What about "love it or leave it"?
>
> It is unnecessary to analyze it, since nobody says it.

Lucky you, to live in a place where nobody says "it".

Around here, {America: [Heart] It or Leave It} is still common currency,
both in bumper stickers
and in conversations.

clo

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 6:15:25 AM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> A poster on another list longs for Verner's ginger ale - does anyone know
> where (what cities) it is  available in?

Vernor's.

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Okay, does anyone else giggle when they see those TV commercials
that say "Don't have sex--help your friends to wait"?

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Here are some web pages discussing the similarities between Ural-Altaic and
Japanese (and more), often with warnings about conflating similarity and
relatedness.  The first two are pretty extensive.

http://www2.4dcomm.com/millenia/lang.htm
http://member.melbpc.org.au/~tmajlath/index1.html
http://www.anthrotech.com/forum/?showtopic=92
http://www.cic.sfu.ca/tqj/JapaneseStudy/european.html
http://www.shift.jp.org/world/047/budapest.shtml

Pete

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 8:21:22 AM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Here are some web pages discussing the similarities between Ural-Altaic and
> Japanese (and more), often with warnings about conflating similarity and
> relatedness.

I agree that it's wise to be cautious about conflating similarity
and relatedness. A good example of that is the fact that Chinese
and Japanese used the same writing system, and that Japanese has
a lot of loanwords from Chinese. But at the same time, similarity
(that is, the comparative method) is how linguists do determine
relatedness.

Karen

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>In a message dated 3/19/2003 4:04:59 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
><< Oh good.  I'm still wondering why nobody has responded to
>my question
>about whether we were supposed to assume that the rocket scientist and
>the horsey-faced girl had sex last week.
> >>
>
>Perhaps because we don't give a damn, do you think? Theo
>

I give a damn damnit. Don't ever speak for a group. You are one voice.


alec

cranky today

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Hungarian and Japanese are frighteningly close. (I was a teaching
> > assistant for a woman who gave Hungarian examples for everything
> > she taught.)
> >
> > Kristin, people argue about where Japanese belongs. It's a
> > favorite topic of conversation among Japanese linguists. It
> > doesn't really matter, and you may not believe it, that's fine.
>
> It is interesting, anyway, that you've written here. It's a pity it doesn't
> ring a bell for me for I know neither of the languages. Seen or heard
> sentences -- yes, but nothing to find that to muse on. Thanks for the remark
> about them.
>
> Kristin

A thing I find absolutely fascinating is that the default for Signed Languages
seems to be Topic/Comment syntax, with particles and counters - which is
the base structure of  Japanese, and (I gather) the Altaics. I don't know
Hungarian, Finnish, or Estonian but I do know some Japanese and ASL,
and a bit <about> the structural aspects of a couple of other SLs.
Is Hungarian T/C also?

clo

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Bookrat wrote:

> >They have a pretty good following within the
> >folk/women's music arena as well; I don't think they'd
> >be able to do the mega-concerts or have as much money;
> >but they could still do the black box circuit and so
> >on  and be pretty popular.
> >clo
>
> What is a "black box circuit"?  I can infer that it refers to a set of
> low-key performing venues, but I've not heard the term before.
>
> Ken Miller
> Assistant Drone
> Johnson Institute for the Study of Harmless Drudgery

The Black Box Circuit is one method of booking shows at
coffee houses and college campuses - at least it <was>,
when I was an undergrad; and I mention it to performers
on the folk circuit now and they nod, and seem to know
what I am talking about.

Acts signed on to a tour - so many college campuses and
small venues - and it gave them bread-and-butter gigs.
Campuses bought packages - so many touring acts per
season - cheaper than if they had to book each act
separately, and a whole lot less paperwork and time for
student coffeehouse organizers.

clo

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Go to:

http://libwww.syr.edu/digital/images/s/StreetAndSmith/covergallery/index.html

and select image 12  "Ted Strong's Vigilantes"

Is it my imagination or does the man up the tree look hauntingly familiar?


BrP

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The loud little handful - as usual - will shout for the war. The pulpit will
- warily and cautiously - object... at first. The great, big, dull bulk of
the nation will rub its sleepy
eyes and try to make out why there should be a war, and will say, earnestly
and indignantly, "It is unjust and dishonorable, and there is no necessity
for it." Then the
handful will shout louder. A few fair men on the other side will argue and
reason against the war with speech and pen, and at first will have a hearing
and be applauded, but
it will not last long; those others will outshout them, and presently the
antiwar audiences will thin out and lose popularity. Before long, you will
see this curious thing: the
speakers stoned from the platform, and free speech strangled by hordes of
furious men... Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame
upon the nation that
is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing
falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any
refutations of them; and thus he
will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for
the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception."

      - - - Mark Twain, from his story "The Mysterious Stranger"

I talked to my boss today about the ramifications of putting political
statements on my office walls.

clo

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> Is it my imagination or does the man up the tree look hauntingly familiar?

Indeed.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Carolyn Ostrander writes,

>The Black Box Circuit is one method of booking shows at
>coffee houses and college campuses - at least it <was>,

A "black box," then, meaning a small (75-200 seats), unadorned performance
space.  In context (though referring more to theater than music):

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/entertainment/performing_arts/3901948.htm
http://homepages.nyu.edu/~cd291/TOP/
http://www.arts.buffalo.edu/html/venues.html
http://www.artsworks.net/cvenues/performing/theatres.html

It's fortuitous that you can add "circuit" onto it in this sense.  "Black
box" and "circuit" go well together in their tech meanings, too.

Pete

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Is "declaring" war actually done anymore by anyone?

BrP



>
>         I doubt that it will be different, legally speaking, tomorrow.  I
> could be wrong, but I don't think we'll technically be in a declared war
> situation.  That is, I think Congress gave Bush the power to order
> military action in Iraq but not to actually declare war.
>
> --
> Take care,
> Tom Lee (flint@kiva.net)
> who doesn't actually know anything anymore

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At 04:16 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, you wrote:

>        The paycheck is much nicer in the summertime when I collect
>it for sitting on my fat ass doing nothing at all.

A definite perk!

lisa

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At 05:14 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > what they believe. As a matter of fact, good for Charlie Daniels too, I
> > don't agree with his POV but he can say whatever he wants.
>
>Which returns me to a question I think I asked earlier:  Why does
>anybody care what the political views of musicians, movie stars, etc.
>are?
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Personally, I don't care. It just so happens to be the media who cares as
they're the ones reporting this crap.

lisa

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At 05:16 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> > Yeah, tell her, Lisa.
> >
> > How was Florida?
>
>Did Lisa ever say where in Florida she went?
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Lisa flew into West Palm Beach. She spent most of her time in that area.
She did drive down to Miami for lunch, an event she reported on in her
"vacation" post.

Lisa also played golf in Lake Worth and bummed in and around Lantana.
However most of her activities were centered around West Palm Beach.

lisa

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At 04:51 PM 3/19/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>At 06:00 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>lisa alfieri wrote:
>>
>> > We had a great time. Among other things we...
>> > ...put 352 miles on our rental car
>> > ...went to the beach a couple times
>> > ...went to Miami
>>
>>Where did you go originally?  As in where did you rent the car?  Where
>>were you other than Miami?
>>
>> > ...has decided she could live in florida
>>
>>I loved the three years I lived in Florida.
>
>  I hated being there in June but I know you like that weather.
>
>Betty

I don't think I could take the heat either. Tina seems to think she could.
I do remember her wilting last summer when we had a couple strings of 90+
heat and outrageous humidity.

We asked some people what it was like and received mixed responses. Two
guys on the golf course said it was no different than the temperature that
day. A friend said she's lived there all her life and dreads the summer
months, she just can't take it. Her girlfriend said it wasn't that bad.

Tina and I won't be moving there any time soon. She has to finish nursing
school and I'm riding out my employment with my current company (things
have levelled off here but I'm not placing any bets on whether I'll have a
job through the summer).

lisa

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At 05:56 AM 3/20/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>I think I mentioned last night that I find things like "rules" of war
>baffling.  I'm also confused by something else.  Don't we have a general
>law or rule or whatever against assassinating foreign leaders?  Wouldn't
>the plan last night of trying to go straight for Saddam and kill him be
>a violation of that?  I'm not suggesting that was a bad idea -- as long
>as we're getting into the bloody mess, it would seem efficient to try to
>get rid of him first in hope of averting more death and destruction.
>Iow, I'm not taking a <position> here.  I'm just asking for help in
>understanding how these rules, laws, etc. work.  Like what does the one
>about not assassinating heads of state mean if it apparently doesn't
>mean trying to kill Saddam?
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


They mentioned this on CNN last night. There is a rule stating we are not
to assassinate a foreign leader. The rule gets chucked when a war starts.

lisa

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She wasn't cute?

At 08:24 AM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Did I ever tell you the story about the woman in Tomsk who beat me with a
>bouquet
>of roses because I refused to marry her daughter?
>
>BrP
>
>
>
> > That Brother Paul is such a jokester!
> >
> > BB
> >
> > At 10:22 PM 3/19/2003 -0500, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > >Suddenly a couple of weeks ago, I began to get large amts of
> > >spam from "Russian girls [who] want to meet" me
> > >clo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Betty Clark wrote:
> > >
> > > > At 12:40 PM 3/19/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > > > >Another profession in demand is debt consolidation and bankruptcy.
> > > > >It's like the second most advertized thing on TV, after SUVs.
> > > >
> > > > I keep getting spam to refinance my house.
> > > >
> > > > Betty

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clo,

  Marvellous quote.  Thanks.

I have to admit that if I had seen only the line  "The great, big, dull bulk of the nation
will rub its sleepy eyes..."  my first guess would have been Dylan Thomas.


BrP






> The loud little handful - as usual - will shout for the war. The pulpit will
> - warily and cautiously - object... at first. The great, big, dull bulk of
> the nation will rub its sleepy
> eyes and try to make out why there should be a war, and will say, earnestly
> and indignantly, "It is unjust and dishonorable, and there is no necessity
> for it." Then the
> handful will shout louder. A few fair men on the other side will argue and
> reason against the war with speech and pen, and at first will have a hearing
> and be applauded, but
> it will not last long; those others will outshout them, and presently the
> antiwar audiences will thin out and lose popularity. Before long, you will
> see this curious thing: the
> speakers stoned from the platform, and free speech strangled by hordes of
> furious men... Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame
> upon the nation that
> is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing
> falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any
> refutations of them; and thus he
> will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for
> the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception."
>
>       - - - Mark Twain, from his story "The Mysterious Stranger"
>
> I talked to my boss today about the ramifications of putting political
> statements on my office walls.
>
> clo

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who?

> She wasn't cute?
>
> At 08:24 AM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Did I ever tell you the story about the woman in Tomsk who beat me with a
> >bouquet
> >of roses because I refused to marry her daughter?

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Me!
clo

"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> who?
>
> > She wasn't cute?
> >
> > At 08:24 AM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Did I ever tell you the story about the woman in Tomsk who beat me with a
> > >bouquet
> > >of roses because I refused to marry her daughter?

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> to school because Krushev was going to be assassinated on his visit to
> the US shortly before the beginning of that school year and the country
> would be nuked as a result.

You really are a glass-half-empty kind
of person, aren't you?

--
Richard                   ready, steady, go

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Paul R. Barfoot writes,

>I have to admit that if I had seen only the line  "The great, big, dull
>bulk of the nation will rub its sleepy eyes..."  my first guess would have
>been Dylan Thomas.

Yes, thanks, Carolyn.

Note that the work was assembled posthumously from several unfinished
works.  It'd be interesting to see the originals (_Mark Twain's Mysterious
Stranger Manuscripts_, William M. Gibson, 1969).

Here's an etext of the 1916 version with a preface about the assemblage:

http://www.xooqi.com/iboox/xo_0089_twain_mysteriousstranger.html

and a longer article about it:

http://www.boondocksnet.com/twainwww/essays/mysterious_stranger0011.html

Pete

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>Think a Wordsler might have the original text?

Damn!  This was one of my first, if not my
very first solo performance.  Also, in a
shocking coincidence, I baked a cake last
night.

Dunno the original text, but here's what
they made me memorize:

Betty Botter bought some butter
But, she said, "This butter's bitter!
So she bought some other butter
Better than the bitter butter
And it made her butter batter better.

--
Richard                   ready, steady, go

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There was just a piece on the news about a local man who got a
white horse and a suit of armor and proposed to his girlfriend
yesterday...

Karen

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Karen:
> Okay, does anyone else giggle when they see those TV commercials
> that say "Don't have sex--help your friends to wait"?

I haven't seen the ads, but what's funny about this?

--
Richard                   ready, steady, go

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The daughter you refused to marry.

At 10:33 AM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>who?
>
> > She wasn't cute?
> >
> > At 08:24 AM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Did I ever tell you the story about the woman in Tomsk who beat me with a
> > >bouquet
> > >of roses because I refused to marry her daughter?

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 9:58:58 AM, no straight, chaser wrote:
> Karen:
>> Okay, does anyone else giggle when they see those TV commercials
>> that say "Don't have sex--help your friends to wait"?

> I haven't seen the ads, but what's funny about this?

The way she says it, it sounds like she's advocating either
homosex (not that there's anything wrong with that!) or mutual
masturbation.

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On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> What do you need the Google Toolbar for?

1.  To avoid one layer of entry:  we can't set our own home fucking page.
2.  To use the "search this site" function without having to type in the
special site command.  I'm often trying to find something on a particular
government agency or organization site.

It's odd and stupid that a Google "search this site" can find stuff that
the site-specific search engine won't find.  I suppose maybe some of this
is on purpose.  But anyway.  GIVE ME BACK MY GOOGLE FUCKING TOOLBAR.

Ann

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Bethany:
> where (what cities) it is available in?

Anywhere UPS goes.

http://www.popsoda.com/vernors.html

(I think Janet Hardy first mentioned this site.)

--
"It's what we drink around here..."

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I never met the daughter.  The mother attended one of our performances and latched
onto me as the most likely candidate.  She had brought flowers to give to whoever her
prospective s-i-l might be and when I realized she spoke no english, I pretended to
understand no Russian.  She tried and tried to explain and eventually got so frustrated
that she hit me with the flowers.

BrP



> The daughter you refused to marry.
>
> At 10:33 AM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >who?
> >
> > > She wasn't cute?
> > >
> > > At 08:24 AM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >Did I ever tell you the story about the woman in Tomsk who beat me with a
> > > >bouquet
> > > >of roses because I refused to marry her daughter?

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 10:08:15 AM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> GIVE ME BACK MY GOOGLE FUCKING TOOLBAR.

Yes. I can see that you need it.

Free the Google Toolbar!

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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Right now, here in SF, it looks like many tiny protest groups are forming.
I suppose they'll all join some mass later, or by now, but I rather like
the idea of neighborhood or work groups rioting in place.  Maybe I'll just
throw a tantrum at the reception desk.   Or better, outside IT:  Give me
back my Google, Fascists, and STOP THE WAR.

Ann

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On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Sounds to me like your DOS window is set to start up in full screen mode.
> Press ALT-ENTER to switch it back to windowed mode, and then you can
> minimize it to your heart's content.

This works too!  Plus I can get in and change what it lets me change.

Thanks, Adam

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Isn't your signature reversed? I'm used to straight, no chaser.

Betty

At 09:51 AM 3/20/2003 -0600, no straight, chaser wrote:
> >Think a Wordsler might have the original text?
>
>Damn!  This was one of my first, if not my
>very first solo performance.  Also, in a
>shocking coincidence, I baked a cake last
>night.
>
>Dunno the original text, but here's what
>they made me memorize:
>
>Betty Botter bought some butter
>But, she said, "This butter's bitter!
>So she bought some other butter
>Better than the bitter butter
>And it made her butter batter better.
>
>--
>Richard                   ready, steady, go

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I called everyone and only got answering machines!  It was fun listening to
Espen speak Norwegian though.

Betty

At 09:54 AM 3/20/2003 +0100, Espen Ore wrote:
>09:57 19.03.2003 -0500 skrev Alec D. Plotkin:
> >>=
> >>= Betty Clark
> >>= Manager Diagnostic Support Services
> >>= University Health Services
> >>= UC Berkeley
> >>= 2222 Bancroft Way , Room 1139
> >>= Berkeley, CA 94720-4300
> >>= email:bclark@uhs.berkeley.edu
> >>= office:  510.642.5053
> >>= http://www.uhs.berkeley.edu
> >>
> >>Oooh.  Corporate Signature Competition!
> >>
> >>Now that I actually have a job title, I can compete!
> >>
> >>Stephanie Mandell
> >>PEDC Deployment Manager
> >>United Pan-Europe Communications N.V.
> >>The Netherlands
> >>
> >>e: smandell@upccorp.com
> >>t: +31 20 77 89105
> >>m: +31 6 1101 2260
> >>f: +31 20 77 89363
> >>
> >
> >I'll play too.
> >
> >
> >alec
> >
> >
> > ------------
> >Alec D. Plotkin-IT Support Specialist
> >plotkina@isc.upenn.edu
> >http://pobox.upenn.edu/~plotkina/
> >University of Pennsylvania
> >ISC-Technology Support Services/ULAR
> >Medical School Mailroom MC 6014
> >Philadelphia, PA 19104
> >Phone:215-898-2321
> >Fax:  215-573-9998
> >''There was never a good war or a bad peace.'' - Benjamin Franklin
>
>Me too!
>
>Espen
>
>
>Espen S. Ore
>Overingeniør, IT-avdelingen, Nasjonalbiblioteket avd. Oslo
>Tel: 23 27 61 25 - Fax: 23 27 60 10 - e-post: espen.ore@nb.no
>www.nb.no

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Betty:
>Isn't your signature reversed?

Yes.

>I'm used to straight, no chaser.

So am I, believe me.

But it's Lent.  I do this every year.

--
Richard                   ready, steady, go

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Karen Kay wrote:
 Good luck tomorrow with your
> scan/biopsy. I love you, Alyce, and I'll be thinking of you.

Thanks. I am sore afraid. I learned yesterday what they are going to do.

alyce


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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty Clark
>Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:12 AM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>I called everyone and only got answering machines!  It was fun
>listening to
>Espen speak Norwegian though.
>
>Betty
>

Did you or Cal-Berk pay for the calls ?


alec

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of alyce cresap
>Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:18 AM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Dixie Chicks
>
>
>Karen Kay wrote:
> Good luck tomorrow with your
>> scan/biopsy. I love you, Alyce, and I'll be thinking of you.
>
>Thanks. I am sore afraid. I learned yesterday what they are
>going to do.
>
>alyce
>
>
>--
I would be afraid too. Good luck and my thoughts are with you.


alec

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 10:17:30 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>  Good luck tomorrow with your
>> scan/biopsy. I love you, Alyce, and I'll be thinking of you.

> Thanks. I am sore afraid. I learned yesterday what they are going to do.

What are they going to do?

Alyce, I'm sorry you're afraid. I'm glad Berta is there with you.
We are with you, too.

And if they hurt you, Paul will go kick their ass.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
  Like what does the one
> about not assassinating heads of state mean if it apparently doesn't
> mean trying to kill Saddam?

Someone on CNN explained that once a "war" has started, the law against
assassinations is not applicable.

alyce

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> They mentioned this on CNN last night. There is a rule stating we are not
> to assassinate a foreign leader. The rule gets chucked when a war starts.

Now that declaring war is apparently passe, how does one decide exactly
when a war starts?  Like if we had succeeded in hitting Saddam with that
first bomb, wouldn't assassinating a foreign leader have been
simultaneous with starting a war?  Perhaps the big difference is talking
about one's intentions instead of just sneaking up and doing it.

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>Lisa also played golf in Lake Worth and bummed in and around Lantana.
>However most of her activities were centered around West Palm Beach.
>lisa

Bonnie once attended a week long sculling school in West Palm Beach.  It
was held on a little manmade lake in a then new housing development.


    --bonniev

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:

> > would be nuked as a result.
>
> You really are a glass-half-empty kind
> of person, aren't you?

No, not really.  Supposedly people in my generation grew up in great
fear of being bombed.  I don't remember being fearful except that one
time in relation to those two new dresses that I especially liked.

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> I never met the daughter.  The mother attended one of our performances

Was the mother cute?  Why did you say no?

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> Right now, here in SF, it looks like many tiny protest groups are forming.
> I suppose they'll all join some mass later,

That is supposed to be happening in NYC, with all converging in Times
Square. But I haven't been watching TV, so don't know if it has really
occurred.

alyce

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> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> >
> > I never met the daughter.  The mother attended one of our performances
>
> Was the mother cute?  Why did you say no?


Anyone who assaults you with roses is, by definition, not cute.

I never actually said "no" because that would have given away that I understood
what she was asking.  But I wasn't interested because I guessed that the daughter
probably didn't have a penis.

BrP


>
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Karen Kay wrote:
> What are they going to do?

They are going to stick me in the back with lidocaine-laden needles. I
don't love needles. Then they put in a bigger needle and suck some crud
out to examine. That takes about 15 minutes only. Then they put a
band-aid on the hole. Then I have to wait 4-6 hours while they monitor
me to be sure 1) I don't hemorrhage and 2) that the hole in my lung
closes up. If it doesn't, they put a tube in my lung and I don't
understand--presumably try to get it closed up somehow. It is not
without risk, this procedure. We leave here at 8 for 10 am check-in.
Then procedure is at 11, and then wait till 5 if all goes well. So it
will be almost a 12-hour affair by the time we get home. I didn't know
about the six hours of monitoring. I thought it was just the 15 minutes.

alyce

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 10:47:42 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> They are going to stick me in the back with lidocaine-laden needles. I
> don't love needles.

But if they are lidocaine-laden, you'll only feel the first one.
(I hope. I also hope you get them from someone who knows how to
give shots.)

I thought you were going to do this today, but it's tomorrow?

What are you planning to do during those 6 hours? Do you have
something good to read?

Karen

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The anti-war thing in NYC is to be at 5pm in Times Square today. There
will be a huge rally on Saturday at noon on Broadway between 36th and
42nd Sts.
--
alyce

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A missed opportunity.  Funny story.

Betty

At 11:09 AM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I never met the daughter.  The mother attended one of our performances and
>latched
>onto me as the most likely candidate.  She had brought flowers to give to
>whoever her
>prospective s-i-l might be and when I realized she spoke no english, I
>pretended to
>understand no Russian.  She tried and tried to explain and eventually got
>so frustrated
>that she hit me with the flowers.
>
>BrP
>
>
>
> > The daughter you refused to marry.
> >
> > At 10:33 AM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >who?
> > >
> > > > She wasn't cute?
> > > >
> > > > At 08:24 AM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > > > >Did I ever tell you the story about the woman in Tomsk who beat me
> with a
> > > > >bouquet
> > > > >of roses because I refused to marry her daughter?

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul R. Barfoot
>Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:50 AM
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>
>
>> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>> >
>> > I never met the daughter.  The mother attended one of our
>performances
>>
>> Was the mother cute?  Why did you say no?
>
>
>Anyone who assaults you with roses is, by definition, not cute.
>
>I never actually said "no" because that would have given away
>that I understood
>what she was asking.  But I wasn't interested because I
>guessed that the daughter
>probably didn't have a penis.
>

She might have had a moustache.


alec

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Karen Kay wrote:
> I thought you were going to do this today, but it's tomorrow?

Friday, March 21, 2003.
>
> What are you planning to do during those 6 hours?

I will think good thoughts and pray to get out alive.

I have many good books to read, but will not be able to concentrate.

alyce

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At 11:25 AM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: English Language Discussion Group
> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty Clark
> >Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:12 AM
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: Dixie Chicks
> >
> >
> >I called everyone and only got answering machines!  It was fun
> >listening to
> >Espen speak Norwegian though.
> >
> >Betty
> >
>
>Did you or Cal-Berk pay for the calls ?

I'm trying to use up my phone card that expires at the end of the month.  I
have to approve and not approve any charges here so I can't and wouldn't
take advantage.  It's stress free when you operate that way.

Betty

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= >what she was asking.  But I wasn't interested because I
= >guessed that the daughter
= >probably didn't have a penis.
= >
=
= She might have had a moustache.
=
=
= alec

You got something against that?

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 11:15:48 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I thought you were going to do this today, but it's tomorrow?

> Friday, March 21, 2003.

Oh, gosh. I misread this as March 31 and thought 'Ack! She has
way too long to wait.' But tomorrow is better. How long is Berta
planning to stay with you?

>> What are you planning to do during those 6 hours?

> I will think good thoughts and pray to get out alive.

Oh, Alyce! I'm so sorry you are so fearful. We will pray for the
same thing, of course.

> I have many good books to read, but will not be able to concentrate.

You'll be reduced to watching soap operas on TV. Or war coverage.
I don't know which is worse for the psyche.

Karen

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Government warning signs, interpreted for the masses:
http://titaniumcounter.com/temp/emergency/

Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
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>= >what she was asking.  But I wasn't interested because I
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>You got something against that?
>

Women with moustaches don't do much for me. Sorry.



alec

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Karen:

>The ANWR thing failed.

This was my favorite part of the debate/vote: (from the NYT)

The chief proponent of drilling, Senator Ted Stevens, Republican of Alaska,
ended his remarks on the floor with an unusual but unmistakable threat to
use his power as Appropriations Committee chairman against those who
disagreed with him.

"People who vote against this today are voting against me," Mr. Stevens
said. "I will not forget it."


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Natalie:
>Supposedly people in my generation grew
>up in great fear of being bombed.

I guess by the time I came along, the
novelty had worn off.  It was just a
fact of life.

I always wanted to steal a can of those
civil defense biscuits that were stored
in the school basement.  What do you
suppose *those* were made of?

--
"...civil defense biscuits is PEOPLE!"

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 11:41:38 AM, no straight, chaser wrote:
> civil defense biscuits that were stored
> in the school basement.  What do you
> suppose *those* were made of?

> --
> "...civil defense biscuits is PEOPLE!"

This must be why I can't force myself to eat tempeh.

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 11:35:35 AM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
[about ANWR]
> This was my favorite part of the debate/vote: (from the NYT)

> The chief proponent of drilling, Senator Ted Stevens, Republican of Alaska,
> ended his remarks on the floor with an unusual but unmistakable threat to
> use his power as Appropriations Committee chairman against those who
> disagreed with him.

> "People who vote against this today are voting against me," Mr. Stevens
> said. "I will not forget it."

Bleah.

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http://titaniumcounter.com/temp/emergency/

Note to Natalie: This is humor. You should go to the URL.

alyce

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 12:00:01 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> http://titaniumcounter.com/temp/emergency/

> Note to Natalie: This is humor. You should go to the URL.

Does no one read my posts any more?

<pout>

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Karen Kay wrote:
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> Does no one read my posts any more?

Sorry. I posted it before I read yours. I got mine elsewhere. I am not a
crook.

alyce

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Cal 39
NCState 36

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Karen Kay wrote:
 How long is Berta
> planning to stay with you?
>
Undetermined. Until we see if I will be having treatment, need in-home
care, whatever.

alyce

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 12:18:18 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> Does no one read my posts any more?

> Sorry. I posted it before I read yours. I got mine elsewhere. I am not a
> crook.

Here's another one. (But I think the other one is funnier.)

Karen

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 12:26:53 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

> Thursday, March 20, 2003, 12:18:18 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
>> Karen Kay wrote:
>>>
>>> Does no one read my posts any more?

>> Sorry. I posted it before I read yours. I got mine elsewhere. I am not a
>> crook.

> Here's another one. (But I think the other one is funnier.)

Oops! http://ducttapeandbalingwire.com/

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At 12:02 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>The anti-war thing in NYC is to be at 5pm in Times Square today. There
>will be a huge rally on Saturday at noon on Broadway between 36th and
>42nd Sts.
>--
>alyce

According to the radio this morning Boston is bracing itself for a march
today.

The People's Republic of Cambridge is also paying close attention to
marchers who are threatening to stop traffic.

Both places were terribly snarled over the summer when janitors went on
strike and blocked on ramps and main streets. Their actions didn't endear
them to anyone. I'm curious to see how peace marchers are taken.

lisa

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 11:48:35 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> The People's Republic of Cambridge is also paying close attention to
> marchers who are threatening to stop traffic.

> Both places were terribly snarled over the summer when janitors went on
> strike and blocked on ramps and main streets. Their actions didn't endear
> them to anyone. I'm curious to see how peace marchers are taken.

They'll just run over 'em like they did in IL.

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At 01:18 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Cal 39
>NCState 36

Thanks.  I'm keeping an eye on Game Tracker.  Larry and Ryan are in Reno
betting on the games.

Betty

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There has been a long standing plan to have demonstrations everywhere at 5 pm on
the day following the announcement of the start of the war.  I was surprised to see
the announcement of the Syracuse demonstration on the editorial page of the paper
this morning. I didn't expect them to be publicizing it. I wonder what counter-
demonstrations there will be.

BrP



> At 12:02 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >The anti-war thing in NYC is to be at 5pm in Times Square today. There
> >will be a huge rally on Saturday at noon on Broadway between 36th and
> >42nd Sts.
> >--
> >alyce
>
> According to the radio this morning Boston is bracing itself for a march
> today.
>
> The People's Republic of Cambridge is also paying close attention to
> marchers who are threatening to stop traffic.
>
> Both places were terribly snarled over the summer when janitors went on
> strike and blocked on ramps and main streets. Their actions didn't endear
> them to anyone. I'm curious to see how peace marchers are taken.
>
> lisa

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Alyce,
my thoughts will be with you as well.
Please don't be shy about letting us know if there is anything at
all we can do.

Terry and I were talking at lunch about (among many things)
the notion that people have that they shouldn't ask other
people for help - it would "bother" them. It won't, however,
bother us.

clo

alyce cresap wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>  Good luck tomorrow with your
> > scan/biopsy. I love you, Alyce, and I'll be thinking of you.
>
> Thanks. I am sore afraid. I learned yesterday what they are going to do.
>
> alyce
>
> --
> alyce cresap, books & ephemera
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In Bush War One, one of the  words I got sick of was "attrit"  In Bush War Two, I'm
already sick of "embedded journalists"

BrP

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 1:19:56 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> In Bush War One, one of the  words I got sick of was "attrit"

What the heck does this mean?

>  In Bush War Two, I'm
> already sick of "embedded journalists"

Sounds like a disease.

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> Thursday, March 20, 2003, 1:19:56 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > In Bush War One, one of the  words I got sick of was "attrit"
>
> What the heck does this mean?

to wear down

to cause attrition

>
> >  In Bush War Two, I'm
> > already sick of "embedded journalists"
>
> Sounds like a disease.

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 1:31:47 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>> Thursday, March 20, 2003, 1:19:56 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>> > In Bush War One, one of the  words I got sick of was "attrit"
>>
>> What the heck does this mean?

> to wear down

> to cause attrition

Hearing about embedded journalists attrits me.

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On 20 Mar 2003 at 14:19, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

> In Bush War One, one of the  words I got sick of was "attrit"  In Bush War
> Two, I'm already sick of "embedded journalists"

Whom we must distinguish from in-bedded journalists, of course. Or
can we?


   mem

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Karen Kay wrote:
> Here's another one. (But I think the other one is funnier.)
>
> Karen

Oh yes? Where?

alyce


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I'm a producer!!! 4 strawberries, one of which has a teeny tiny
bite out of it.:(

Karen

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At 12:51 PM 3/20/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Thursday, March 20, 2003, 11:48:35 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> > The People's Republic of Cambridge is also paying close attention to
> > marchers who are threatening to stop traffic.
>
> > Both places were terribly snarled over the summer when janitors went on
> > strike and blocked on ramps and main streets. Their actions didn't endear
> > them to anyone. I'm curious to see how peace marchers are taken.
>
>They'll just run over 'em like they did in IL.

If the didn't run over the janitors I don't think they'll run over the
protesters.

Besides I thin Bostonians like swearing, beeping and flipping people off
more than they like to make contact.

lisa

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Justice Scalia is being celebrated at an award ceremony
honoring his contribution to free speech.

He has prohibited press coverage of the event.
--
alyce

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Alyce - you're wonderful.  I'm sending this to everyone I know - as soon as I stop
laughing enough to find their addresses.

BrP



> Justice Scalia is being celebrated at an award ceremony
> honoring his contribution to free speech.
>
> He has prohibited press coverage of the event.
> --
> alyce

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As my first message on this theme got quite long I continue here: I also was
able to make a decision how to regard the Estonian government's decision to
agree with the plans of war of the USA, to support the plan. If you read my
longish message on my thoughts of the war then you may guess: now, of course,
I agree to our government's decision.

There's one thing I keep thinking over and over again. The Prime Ministed has
said repeatedly, to calm down those who are against the decision -- and there
are many, of course, as there are many who are against the war, which is
quite as natural as that many Americans and most of you in this list of ours
are against it -- so, he has repeated that no Estonian soldiers are sent to
the war. That'd calm me, yes, if it wouldn't sound a bit two-faced. But at
least I am not to worry because of our boys yet.

None of us knows what are the consequences. Two web pages communicating
online news are open on the screen of my computer. There are not much to get
to know yet what might be the counteractions made by Saddam. Terror in both
America and Europe?

Kristin

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A little Dixie follow up from cnn.com:


S.C.: Free Chicks concert

COLUMBIA, South Carolina (AP) -- South Carolina House members say the Dixie
Chicks should apologize for lead singer Natalie Maines' criticism of
President Bush by performing a free concert for troops.

Republican state Rep. Catherine Ceips introduced a resolution Wednesday
calling for the country music trio to perform for South Carolina troops and
their families.

Maines, speaking about President Bush's push for military action against
Iraq, told a London audience last week, "Just so you know, we're ashamed
the president of the United States is from Texas."

Radio stations nationwide are boycotting the Dixie Chicks even though
Maines, a native of Lubbock, Texas, has publicly apologized.

Cindi Berger, the Dixie Chicks' publicist, had no comment on the
resolution, which passed the House on a 50-35 vote and left some lawmakers
angry and others confused.

"I think it's an olive branch to the Dixie Chicks," Ceips said.

"But only after they apologize first for exercising their free speech, is
that correct?" asked House Minority Leader James Smith, a Democrat.

The Dixie Chicks have been in Europe promoting their recent release "Home,"
which won a Grammy last month for best country album.

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At 02:19 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>In Bush War One, one of the  words I got sick of was "attrit"  In Bush War
>Two, I'm
>already sick of "embedded journalists"
>
>BrP

For me it's "target of opportunity" which was used ad nauseam last night
and today's "decapitation attack".

lisa

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In a message dated 3/20/2003 4:56:50 AM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<   Like what does the one
about not assassinating heads of state mean if it apparently doesn't
mean trying to kill Saddam? >>

What puzzles me is the talk about not trying to hurt "the people." Aren't he
and his sons not people? I guess I'm just a not informed ignorant foreigner,
huh? Theo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> Alyce,
> my thoughts will be with you as well.

Thanks.

> Please don't be shy about letting us know if there is anything at
> all we can do.
>
Bring me home alive!

alyce

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> The consequences are sad, and they will get sadder.  But in the meanwhile,
> our lives go on.
>
> Ken Miller
> William Saroyan School for the Study of the Human Comedy

It took me long to make up my mind about the war and matters concerning it. I
wanted to share it with you all yesterday when the thoughts were fresher and I
wasn't tired yet (the schedule we have here in the office this year is just
crazy).

What I concluded: to start the war was not a wrong thing nor injust. But I'm
not apt to state the same thing positively: that it was right and just, for a
war is a very bad thing anyway. It'd be unjustice to all who'd get killed and
injured and their relatives and friends. But, as to the world as a whole, it'd
have been unjust on its part to just sit and do nothing. For I guess there is a
danger looming up from some parts of the world. When should the right moment to
start fighting it have been? Now? In a year? In a decade? So, it has turned out
for me, no matter how sloganly it may sound, that the USA just took the risk,
and the task onto itself. Maybe too hastily, I do not know. If it had never
intervened, victims would have been there anyway -- Iraqis. So now that the war
has begun (and yesterday, before it) I am worried for US soldiers, and others
who are going to help them. The whole affair is unjust against you, USAers, at
least for those who are against the war, that the government decided to start
the war. I'm serious.

As I said, Iraqis are victims anyway. The regime in Iraq is awful. Till
recently I wasn't sure how people there might feel about the regime -- taking
into account that I knew actually nothing about their ways of thought. By now
I'm sure, be their thinking as different as it should be, it cannot be that
normal, ordinary Iraqis could tolerate the regime.

I'll say something as a comparison here. Deep in Russian times, say, in 1970s,
and the first half of 1980s, here many of us would have regarded it welcome if
the USA had started war against SU. We knew, of course that it couldn't be
expected. So it'd make no sense to speculate what would have happened then. It
just couldn't happen: the world was different, the relations between states
were different. What I only cannot help saying is that people against the
Soviet regime would have suffered because what SU government would have done to
them in case of such attack, and presumably not directly because of the deeds
of the attackers. Saddam regime is not better than that. -- Now, there is one
big difference. The Soviet regime was a foreign one for us and for many
incorporated into the SU. The regime in Iraq, is, so to say, their own. I do
not know whether it'll make any, or much, difference as to the people's regard
to the regime, and foreigners' attack against their hated regime.

Kristin

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> In Bush War One, one of the  words I got sick of was "attrit"  In Bush War Two, I'm
> already sick of "embedded journalists"

Oh, you beat me to it. What a stupid phrase. It makes me think of ticks
burrowed under  the skin.

alyce

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Theodora Groothof
>Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 3:09 PM
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>
>In a message dated 3/20/2003 4:56:50 AM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
><<   Like what does the one
>about not assassinating heads of state mean if it apparently doesn't
>mean trying to kill Saddam? >>
>
>What puzzles me is the talk about not trying to hurt "the
>people." Aren't he
>and his sons not people? I guess I'm just a not informed
>ignorant foreigner,
>huh? Theo
>

You said it.

alec

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In a message dated 3/20/2003 6:37:49 AM, prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:

<< > >Oh, it's just the absurdity of it all.   The US is dropping bombs,
killing
> >people.  Our soldiers are getting gassed and poisoned and in a
> >sandstorm.   But here in the good ole USA we sit on our overfed asses and
> >watch the latest reality show.   The talking heads treat war like one more
> >spectator sport and then return us to our "regularly scheduled
> >programming."   Life has just gotten too bizarre for me.  And Sunday night
> >our movie stars will accept their awards.   "So it goes."    or   "Beam me
> >up Scotty."
> >
> >
> >    --bonniev >>

Yeah Bonnie, You're just *not with it*. :-{ Theo (who's not *with it* either)

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In a message dated 3/20/2003 7:34:59 AM, plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:

<< I give a damn damnit. Don't ever speak for a group. You are one voice.
 >>

I know for a fact that I'm not the only one not interested in some stupid TV
show, so you can keep your insults to yourself if you don't mind, miss
knowitall. Theo

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Theodora Groothof
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>In a message dated 3/20/2003 7:34:59 AM, plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:
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><< I give a damn damnit. Don't ever speak for a group. You are
>one voice.
> >>
>
>I know for a fact that I'm not the only one not interested in
>some stupid TV
>show, so you can keep your insults to yourself if you don't mind, miss
>knowitall. Theo
>

Wrong answer, try again. Mr. Knowitall. I have a penis, last I checked.


alec

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In a message dated 3/20/2003 7:57:47 AM, clostran@SYR.EDU writes:

<< I talked to my boss today about the ramifications of putting political
statements on my office walls.

clo
 >>

My neighbor across the street has put out the flag today. In support of the
war I assume, because I've seen the ads on TV about showing your support by
flying the American flag. I have not met the people yet, so I don't know them
or their beliefs, but I guess they are not the kind of people I'd like to be
my friends, anyway.
Theo

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 3:33 PM
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>
>
>Thursday, March 20, 2003, 2:22:16 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 3/20/2003 7:34:59 AM,
>plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:
>
>> << I give a damn damnit. Don't ever speak for a group. You
>are one voice.
>>  >>
>
>> I know for a fact that I'm not the only one not interested
>in some stupid TV
>> show, so you can keep your insults to yourself if you don't
>mind, miss
>> knowitall. Theo
>
>LOL. Alec has a penis, Theo.
>

Maybe foreigners are different. :)

alec

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 2:36:30 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>>Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 3:33 PM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>>
>>
>>Thursday, March 20, 2003, 2:22:16 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>>
>>> In a message dated 3/20/2003 7:34:59 AM,
>>plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:
>>
>>> << I give a damn damnit. Don't ever speak for a group. You
>>are one voice.
>>>  >>
>>
>>> I know for a fact that I'm not the only one not interested
>>in some stupid TV
>>> show, so you can keep your insults to yourself if you don't
>>mind, miss
>>> knowitall. Theo
>>
>>LOL. Alec has a penis, Theo.
>>

> Maybe foreigners are different. :)

<snicker>

Not in my (vast) experience.

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 2:22:16 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/20/2003 7:34:59 AM, plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:

> << I give a damn damnit. Don't ever speak for a group. You are one voice.
>  >>

> I know for a fact that I'm not the only one not interested in some stupid TV
> show, so you can keep your insults to yourself if you don't mind, miss
> knowitall. Theo

LOL. Alec has a penis, Theo.

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 2:16:57 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Justice Scalia is being celebrated at an award ceremony
> honoring his contribution to free speech.

> He has prohibited press coverage of the event.

LOL. He has a great sense of humor!

:(

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Karen, on Scalia:
> LOL. He has a great sense of humor!

Actually, he does.  He's the only Supreme
that can get Ginsburg to laugh.

--
Richard                   ready, steady, go

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Cal beat NCState 76-74


alec

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In a message dated 3/20/2003 9:23:52 AM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Thanks. I am sore afraid. I learned yesterday what they are going to do.

alyce
 >>

Don't worry about the procedure too much, Aly. I'm sure they'll give you
enough anesthesia for the painful part. Wishing you good news about it, too.
Theo

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02003-03-20 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> What puzzles me is the talk about not trying to hurt "the people."
> Aren't he and his sons not people?

The talk you refer to is intended for reasonably intelligent
audience.

> I guess I'm just a not informed ignorant foreigner, huh? Theo

I have insufficient evidence to confirm or deny this....HUGZ

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At 10:10 PM 3/20/2003 +0200, you wrote:
> > The consequences are sad, and they will get sadder.  But in the meanwhile,
> > our lives go on.
> >
> > Ken Miller
> > William Saroyan School for the Study of the Human Comedy
>
>It took me long to make up my mind about the war and matters concerning it. I
>wanted to share it with you all yesterday when the thoughts were fresher and I
>wasn't tired yet (the schedule we have here in the office this year is just
>crazy).
>
>What I concluded: to start the war was not a wrong thing nor injust. But I'm
>not apt to state the same thing positively: that it was right and just, for a
>war is a very bad thing anyway. It'd be unjustice to all who'd get killed and
>injured and their relatives and friends. But, as to the world as a whole, it'd
>have been unjust on its part to just sit and do nothing. For I guess there
>is a
>danger looming up from some parts of the world. When should the right
>moment to
>start fighting it have been? Now? In a year? In a decade? So, it has
>turned out
>for me, no matter how sloganly it may sound, that the USA just took the risk,
>and the task onto itself. Maybe too hastily, I do not know. If it had never
>intervened, victims would have been there anyway -- Iraqis. So now that
>the war
>has begun (and yesterday, before it) I am worried for US soldiers, and others
>who are going to help them. The whole affair is unjust against you, USAers, at
>least for those who are against the war, that the government decided to start
>the war. I'm serious.
>
>As I said, Iraqis are victims anyway. The regime in Iraq is awful. Till
>recently I wasn't sure how people there might feel about the regime -- taking
>into account that I knew actually nothing about their ways of thought. By now
>I'm sure, be their thinking as different as it should be, it cannot be that
>normal, ordinary Iraqis could tolerate the regime.
>
>I'll say something as a comparison here. Deep in Russian times, say, in 1970s,
>and the first half of 1980s, here many of us would have regarded it welcome if
>the USA had started war against SU. We knew, of course that it couldn't be
>expected. So it'd make no sense to speculate what would have happened then. It
>just couldn't happen: the world was different, the relations between states
>were different. What I only cannot help saying is that people against the
>Soviet regime would have suffered because what SU government would have
>done to
>them in case of such attack, and presumably not directly because of the deeds
>of the attackers. Saddam regime is not better than that. -- Now, there is one
>big difference. The Soviet regime was a foreign one for us and for many
>incorporated into the SU. The regime in Iraq, is, so to say, their own. I do
>not know whether it'll make any, or much, difference as to the people's regard
>to the regime, and foreigners' attack against their hated regime.
>
>Kristin


Thanks for writing this, Kristin.

Betty

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At 02:32 PM 3/20/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Thursday, March 20, 2003, 2:22:16 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 3/20/2003 7:34:59 AM, plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:
>
> > << I give a damn damnit. Don't ever speak for a group. You are one voice.
> >  >>
>
> > I know for a fact that I'm not the only one not interested in some
> stupid TV
> > show, so you can keep your insults to yourself if you don't mind, miss
> > knowitall. Theo
>
>LOL. Alec has a penis, Theo.

You've seen it?

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At 03:48 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Cal beat NCState 76-74
>
>
>alec

Yes!  In overtime.  Now we get to play Oklahoma.  :-)

Betty

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In a message dated 3/20/2003 1:28:48 PM, prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:

<< Alyce - you're wonderful.  I'm sending this to everyone I know - as soon
as I stop
laughing enough to find their addresses.

BrP
 >>

Love, you! Shhhh :-} Theo

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Tushar wrote:

>Now I feel kind of bad making dumbass jokes about Estonian
>being pretty much the same as Russian ...

I felt I owed an answer to it even before I read this some days ago, but
I had no time.

I just wanted to explain why I got so angry, and furious I was, for the
whole evening. By the next morning I had calmed down already and I
understood there was actually not as good a reason to get mad. It
certainly was not that you did not *know*. It was that you so readily
*said* it without knowing. Well,  I wouldn't be very glad if we were
mistaken for Latvians, either, but in this case it was different. For
me, nothing to do, the first association with the word 'a Russian' is
'an occupant'. That is not an obstacle for me to enjoy Pushkin or Andrei
Tarkovsky's movies or Prokofiev's music, for they were genuine Russians
living in Russia and contributing to the interesting Russian culture and
way of thought.

But the Russians here... I must explain the situation a bit. Before WWII
the total percentage of foreigners in Estonia was 10: (Baltic) Germans,
Swedes, ... and of course some Russians, mostly those having had their
abodes at the borde regions for centuries -- the two states were
neighbours anyway. Starting from 1939, after Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and
its secret protocols, Russians from the Soviet Russia started to come to
live here, first the army officers and their wives (some of who went to
parties nightgowns on, for they had never seen so beautiful "dresses" --
sorry for my apparent political incorrectness here, as it may be
regarded, but this anecdote from the real life is a kind of account
itself), later on hords and hords of workers till the percentage of
Russians reached a bit lower than 50 per cent.

It was a quick and abrupt change. There kept coming more of them in
1970s, when I was in my teens and able to understand more of the world.
They didn't want to learn Estonian, and they did not, for in the
situation we had here it was unconceivable to have a law that would have
required it. There were doctors and shop-assistants who did not speak or
even understand Estonian. The older I got the more it happened that when
I went to a shop and the shop-assistant could not understand what I
wanted I just went out of the shop. That often meant doing without the
good, for going into another shop (ha-ha-ha... you have not lived in the
SU, thank god. Well, yes, there were shops where I knew that at least
some shop-assistants were Estonians, or then, understood Estonian, for
there were exceptions among the migrants, too, but there were few shops
all in all, besides, they were empty of necessary goods till early in
the evening or so (things got worse and worse). Ok, but I do not want to
speak about shopping. They were different, most were uneducated, they
felt superior. And as to the education, well, many of them when arriving
here thought that we were retarded and that we could not read or write,
which was a nonsense, but why they thought so was that in Russia there
really were many more or less remote places where people actually were
illiterate. I guess many of them maintained the idea for long, for they
were not interested how it was really. Here the matter of literacy had
been different for... mmm, I do not know whether I dare to say 'for
centuries', for I do not know how well the farmers taught in small
schools for some years actually could read, but if not since the 17th
century, then certainly since the first half of the 19th all the
Estonians were literate.(Not much to be proud of when compared to old,
much developed, many-faceted cultures, but...)

Uh, I am not going on with it. It has become too long a message already.
I only add that I regret I know so little myself about people in the
world. But I'd think thrice before I'd identify an Indian as a member of
one or other people living in India. For I do not know much of the
peoples there, I must alwas look it up in clever books, and I do not
know either how important it might be for one to be identified in the
right way.

Kristin

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alyce cresap wrote:

> will be almost a 12-hour affair by the time we get home. I didn't know
> about the six hours of monitoring. I thought it was just the 15 minutes.

Ugh.  I wish it were this time tomorrow so you'd be about to head home.

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

>   But I wasn't interested because I guessed that the daughter
> probably didn't have a penis.

When was this event?  Was it after you discovered the desirability of a
penis?

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Kristin Sarv
>Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 4:28 PM
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>
>Tushar wrote:
>
>>Now I feel kind of bad making dumbass jokes about Estonian
>>being pretty much the same as Russian ...
>
>I felt I owed an answer to it even before I read this some
>days ago, but I had no time.

Kristin,

Tushar is not very serious about much. His posts need not be taken very
seriously. I usually delete them.

alec

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> A thing I find absolutely fascinating is that the default for Signed Languages
> seems to be Topic/Comment syntax, with particles and counters - which is
> the base structure of  Japanese, and (I gather) the Altaics. I don't know
> Hungarian, Finnish, or Estonian but I do know some Japanese and ASL,
> and a bit <about> the structural aspects of a couple of other SLs.
> Is Hungarian T/C also?

I haven't thought of languages in these terms. I wonder whether it is the same
division as analytic vs. synthetic languages. While Germanic and Romanic lgs are
analytic, Uralic lgs are mostly synthetic, as much as I know. Might it be what you
meant?

Kristin

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St. Louis

Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> A poster on another list longs for Verner's ginger ale - does anyone know
> where (what cities) it is  available in?
>
> Thanks,
> Bethany
>
>

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Yeah, Miss Alec cranky butt!

Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/20/2003 7:34:59 AM, plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:
>
> << I give a damn damnit. Don't ever speak for a group. You are one voice.
>  >>
>
> I know for a fact that I'm not the only one not interested in some stupid TV
> show, so you can keep your insults to yourself if you don't mind, miss
> knowitall. Theo
>
>

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

>  I was listening to Charli
> Rose on PBS tonight. They were saying, among other things, that you cannot
> force democracy.

Yep, that's one more problem...

Kristin

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> http://titaniumcounter.com/temp/emergency/
>
> Note to Natalie: This is humor. You should go to the URL.

Yes.  They're funny.

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Alyce,

  Many good thoughts sent your way.  Here's hoping things go well and the
healing is quick.  Look forward to your return...

Terry

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Tom Lee wrote:

>         From Article III, Section 3 of the US Constitution: "Treason
> against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them,

> -- I think we're talking about actually assisting those who are making
> war against the United States.  I mean, what if the Iraqi foreign minister
> said that the sky was blue, and I said that I agreed?

lol! A light moment to read in this serious discussion.

Kristin

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >Tushar wrote:
> >
> >>Now I feel kind of bad making dumbass jokes about Estonian
> >>being pretty much the same as Russian ...
> >
> >I felt I owed an answer to it even before I read this some
> >days ago, but I had no time.
>
> Kristin,
>
> Tushar is not very serious about much. His posts need not be taken very
> seriously. I usually delete them.

Yes, I've understood it. Maybe I needed more myself what I wrote than I
thought Tushar would need it. It was just that I was really furious, and I
thought why.

Aamf, it made me good to get angry reading the post in the list. :-) I
guess it was the first time for earlier when there've been serious quarrels
(well, there are some going on right now), they've made me sad, or annoyed.
I haven't really got mad before. Now I got to know how it is to be angry in
this service. ;-)

Kristin

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Karen Kay wrote:

> LOL. Alec has a penis, Theo.

How do you know?  I was reading something not long ago about a Civil War
soldier who was later discovered to be a female masquerading as a male.

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Possum bite?  Raccoon bite?  Cat bite? ET bite?

Do tell

BrP




> I'm a producer!!! 4 strawberries, one of which has a teeny tiny
> bite out of it.:(
>
> Karen

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02003-03-20 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> Tushar is not very serious about much. His posts need not be taken
> very seriously. I usually delete them.

After you print them out and laminate and frame them and hang them
in your bedroom ... I know that you little monkey ...

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>  Good luck tomorrow with your
> > scan/biopsy. I love you, Alyce, and I'll be thinking of you.
>
> Thanks. I am sore afraid. I learned yesterday what they are going to do.

Poor you! I'll be thinking of you, too. Be a brave girl! And get the best
answers of analyses ever!

My, I have over 400 unread messages -- how on earth could I think I must
investigate a thread named Dixie Chicks to find this! But it's Words-l, of
course.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> I haven't thought of languages in these terms. I wonder whether it is the same
> division as analytic vs. synthetic languages. While Germanic and Romanic lgs are
> analytic, Uralic lgs are mostly synthetic, as much as I know. Might it be what you
> meant?

I wouldn't say that all Germanic languages are analytic.  In fact, are
any of them other than (Modern) English really analytic?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I wouldn't say that all Germanic languages are analytic.  In fact, are
> any of them other than (Modern) English really analytic?

Now to think... German is certainly less analytic than English. But there's a long way
for it to reach the syntheticity of Estonian or Finnish -- not that I'd think it should
do it, of course.

Kristin

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I can't think of anything more pointless (in the US) than anti-war
protests planned for today.

-rashmi

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > I wouldn't say that all Germanic languages are analytic.  In fact, are
> > any of them other than (Modern) English really analytic?
>
> Now to think... German is certainly less analytic than English. But there's a long way
> for it to reach the syntheticity of Estonian or Finnish --

True.  I think of of analytic/synthetic as sort of a continuum with
German slightly on the synthetic end.  Old English was also on the
synthetic end.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> I can't think of anything more pointless (in the US) than anti-war
> protests planned for today.

I also have some problems getting enthusiastic about peace rallies now.
I looked around in closets for a little light to put in my window as
part of the light-in-the-window thing but shrugged when I couldn't find
an appropriate one and gave up.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

--- the matter is I do not exactly remember what she wrote in a message presumably in
this thread about Finns coming to buy beer from here :-(

Natalie, I hope you do not regard it very important to get an answer to it, only  the
matter is that there was something in your message that I could answer, and, yes, you
had mentioned the beer-buying earlier, I remember. I've apparently deleted the recent
one, too.

Maybe there was not much to say on my side, only that, yes, goods are cheaper here than
on the other shore of the Finnish Gulf, and as most of Finnish tourists are rather nice
in my opinion -- let them come and fetch it for them. Some time ago there were some
problems, perhaps, for many of the tourists only seemed to come here after alcohol, both
for consuming it here and buying to take it with them. (Perhaps it was not the majority
of tourists, but many people here thought they were all like that.) By now the situation
has normalized, I see Finnish touristis among the audience of interesting (academic)
concerts, and let them buy as much beer with them as they want. I won't blame them.

Kristin

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Natalie, Lisa:

> > Which returns me to a question I think I asked earlier:  Why does
> > anybody care what the political views of musicians, movie stars, etc.
> >are?

>Personally, I don't care. It just so happens to be the media who cares as
>they're the ones reporting this crap.

Here, here. It seems like pro-war celebs make less of a splash
than anti-war. Prolly a ploy to discredit the anti-war types by
focusing on celebs - makes it easier to scoff and sneer at the
whole pov without looking at the merits.

-rashmi, on board with every attempt at media-bashing



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http://www.sfbg.com/37/25/art_stage_ursula.html

A Bonnie moment?  A group of us are going to this tonight.  If I dressed
like a nun I could save $5.00 on the ticket.

Betty

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> --- the matter is I do not exactly remember what she wrote in a message presumably in
> this thread about Finns coming to buy beer from here :-(

It was just a joking comment about how communication between Finns and
Estonians must be good in the world of beer commerce since I saw so many
Finns (or I assumed most of them were Finns) rolling incredible amounts
of Estonian beer onto the ferry that was about to leave Tallinn.

> Natalie, I hope you do not regard it very important to get an answer to it, only  the
> matter is that there was something in your message that I could answer, and, yes, you
> had mentioned the beer-buying earlier, I remember. I've apparently deleted the recent
> one, too.

I don't remember asking a question.  Or not a real one.  Maybe a joking
one of some kind re beer and languages.

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02003-03-20 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> I can't think of anything more pointless (in the US) than anti-war
> protests planned for today.

No--some sort of anti-war protest should go on through the duration
of the war and after that. If you are simply going to have "pragmatic
responses" to done deals you might as well shut up completely. The
meaning of anti-war protests now is: "I was opposed to this, and I
will oppose anything like this in the future". It doesn't necessarily
mean "call off the war". It might, to some people ... but that's fine
too. This is not a freaking tribal kingdom, it's a democracy.

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Thanks for the suggestions re cities - I shall pass them on.

Bethany

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> No--some sort of anti-war protest should go on through the duration
> of the war and after that. If you are simply going to have "pragmatic
> responses" to done deals you might as well shut up completely. The
> meaning of anti-war protests now is: "I was opposed to this, and I
> will oppose anything like this in the future". It doesn't necessarily
> mean "call off the war". It might, to some people ... but that's fine
> too. This is not a freaking tribal kingdom, it's a democracy.

I agree that continued efforts/statements to promote peace are
important.  (Did I already say that?  I think I was about to write more
in my response a little while ago but then didn't.  The more was going
to be about what I see as good about the continuing efforts.)  But I
don't see rallies/protests/etc as all that relevant right now.  Even
though the die was almost certainly cast a few days ago, I still saw the
point in protesting that die.  Now that it is irrevocably cast, I see
less point in protesting this particular war.  I certainly intend to
keep sporting my peace bumper sticker, my peace web button, etc.

--
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Home and catching up.

As I reported once before, digest mail is now
delivered in attachments, each message being
an individual attachment.  Weird and much 
messier for reading.

But that's okay.  I don't think I'll use the
digest form anymore.  I'll probably just cancel
the subscription when I'm gone.

I didn't have the patience to read all the
attachments.  Did I miss anything?

                - D. M.

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> 02003-03-20 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > I can't think of anything more pointless (in the US) than anti-war
> > protests planned for today.
>
> No--some sort of anti-war protest should go on through the duration
> of the war and after that. If you are simply going to have "pragmatic
> responses" to done deals you might as well shut up completely. The
> meaning of anti-war protests now is: "I was opposed to this, and I
> will oppose anything like this in the future". It doesn't necessarily
> mean "call off the war". It might, to some people ... but that's fine
> too. This is not a freaking tribal kingdom, it's a democracy.

Oh?  Are we a democracy or a republic?

             - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I didn't have the patience to read all the
> attachments.  Did I miss anything?

Karen has attested that Alec has a penis.  Or was that after you were
already home and back to regular mail?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>  but I guess they are not the kind of people I'd like to be
> my friends, anyway.

I have flown a flag here since Jan. 1, 1988, when I moved in. I don't
intend taking it down. It has to do with my belief in free speech, and
does not mean that I support the war.

alyce

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At 05:12 PM 3/20/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Home and catching up.
>
>As I reported once before, digest mail is now
>delivered in attachments, each message being
>an individual attachment.  Weird and much
>messier for reading.
>
>But that's okay.  I don't think I'll use the
>digest form anymore.  I'll probably just cancel
>the subscription when I'm gone.
>
>I didn't have the patience to read all the
>attachments.  Did I miss anything?
>
>                 - D. M.


Doris, just set nomail.

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
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>
> Ugh.  I wish it were this time tomorrow so you'd be about to head home.

Me, too. But that is what I'm thinking now: "At this time tomorrow I
should be on the way home."

alyce
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Doris Markland wrote:
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>
> Oh?  Are we a democracy or a republic?

A Republic, they say. But Bush wants to establish a democracy in Iraq,
so maybe that's better?

alyce
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>              - D. M.


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Doris Markland wrote:
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>Oh?  Are we a democracy or a republic?

um, I don't see the problem. Can't we be both? They're two separate things
and not incompatible, no?

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > I didn't have the patience to read all the
> > attachments.  Did I miss anything?
>
> Karen has attested that Alec has a penis.

That sounds so attestical.

           - D. M.


>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 3:46:37 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>>   But I wasn't interested because I guessed that the daughter
>> probably didn't have a penis.

> When was this event?  Was it after you discovered the desirability of a
> penis?

I'm pretty sure that Paul knew that penises were enjoyable items
all along...

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> Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> >
> > Oh?  Are we a democracy or a republic?
>
> A Republic, they say. But Bush wants to establish a democracy in Iraq,
> so maybe that's better?
>
> alyce
> >
> >              - D. M.

I don't know what would work there.  Who does?

But I was always taught that a democracy was a
system in which each individual has a say in
government, which is a bit unmanageable.
A republic is a system in which individuals
elect someone to represent their group, state,
etc. in government and speak for them.

                - D. M.

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 5:01:40 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>> No--some sort of anti-war protest should go on through the duration
>> of the war and after that. If you are simply going to have "pragmatic
>> responses" to done deals you might as well shut up completely. The
>> meaning of anti-war protests now is: "I was opposed to this, and I
>> will oppose anything like this in the future". It doesn't necessarily
>> mean "call off the war". It might, to some people ... but that's fine
>> too. This is not a freaking tribal kingdom, it's a democracy.

> I agree that continued efforts/statements to promote peace are
> important.  (Did I already say that?  I think I was about to write more
> in my response a little while ago but then didn't.  The more was going
> to be about what I see as good about the continuing efforts.)  But I
> don't see rallies/protests/etc as all that relevant right now.  Even
> though the die was almost certainly cast a few days ago, I still saw the
> point in protesting that die.  Now that it is irrevocably cast, I see
> less point in protesting this particular war.  I certainly intend to
> keep sporting my peace bumper sticker, my peace web button, etc.

So you are a fair-weather war protester, too?

I agree with Tushar about the purpose and utility of the current
protests.

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 4:14:28 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> LOL. Alec has a penis, Theo.

> How do you know?

He said.

>  I was reading something not long ago about a Civil War
> soldier who was later discovered to be a female masquerading as a male.

Uh-huh.

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 2:05:54 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> Possum bite?  Raccoon bite?  Cat bite? ET bite?

> Do tell

Don't know.

I don't think it's a cat bite. It's awfully small... Maybe a
possum bite.

Could be an ET bite, but not this ET, a real ET.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> This is not a freaking tribal kingdom, it's a democracy.

They're arresting people in the streets in Albany, 25 so far, for civil
disobedience. SOme chained themselves to bike racks and some laid down
in the street.

alyce

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 3:17:53 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> At 02:32 PM 3/20/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>Thursday, March 20, 2003, 2:22:16 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>>
>> > In a message dated 3/20/2003 7:34:59 AM, plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:
>>
>> > << I give a damn damnit. Don't ever speak for a group. You are one voice.
>> >  >>
>>
>> > I know for a fact that I'm not the only one not interested in some
>> stupid TV
>> > show, so you can keep your insults to yourself if you don't mind, miss
>> > knowitall. Theo
>>
>>LOL. Alec has a penis, Theo.

> You've seen it?

I don't look and tell.

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 5:25:13 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>> This is not a freaking tribal kingdom, it's a democracy.

> They're arresting people in the streets in Albany, 25 so far, for civil
> disobedience. SOme chained themselves to bike racks and some laid down
> in the street.

They are doing this is Austin, too, but no one's been arrested.

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 6:18:37 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> stodgy.  Here they're vomiting for peace (at the federal building)

Vomiting for peace?

Karen

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On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

> disobedience. SOme chained themselves to bike racks and some laid down
> in the street.

stodgy.  Here they're vomiting for peace (at the federal building)

Ann

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Karen Kay wrote:

> So you are a fair-weather war protester, too?

Fair weather?  I don't see that at all.  Did I really think when holding
that candle the other night that things were going well re peace?  No.
And, as I said, I certainly intend to keep participating in peace
efforts.  I do, however, think that things are different now from what
they were even twenty-four hours ago.

My main enthusiasm now is for getting rid of Dubya.  Did I mention the
odd moment I had a couple of days ago when getting in my car and turning
on the ignition, which meant turning on the radio, hearing a man saying
something like "It's scary when a maniac is in a leadership position,"
nodding my head in agreement thinking Dubya, and then realizing a bit
later that this man was talking about Saddam?

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

>  I have a penis, last I checked.

Hmm, I'm proofread an article today about Hume and his doubts of induction
about (even the closest) future.

Kr.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >  I was reading something not long ago about a Civil War
> > soldier who was later discovered to be a female masquerading as a male.
>
> Uh-huh.

I wish I remembered his/her name.  But I don't.  I remember that she was
an immigrant who for some reason became a soldier.  Yankee, I think.

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 6:27:53 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> >  I was reading something not long ago about a Civil War
>> > soldier who was later discovered to be a female masquerading as a male.
>>
>> Uh-huh.

> I wish I remembered his/her name.  But I don't.  I remember that she was
> an immigrant who for some reason became a soldier.  Yankee, I think.

I doubt her name was Alec Plotkin.

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On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Thursday, March 20, 2003, 6:18:37 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > stodgy.  Here they're vomiting for peace (at the federal building)
>
> Vomiting for peace?

I think you can figure it out.

Ann

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At 06:25 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > This is not a freaking tribal kingdom, it's a democracy.
>
>They're arresting people in the streets in Albany, 25 so far, for civil
>disobedience. SOme chained themselves to bike racks and some laid down
>in the street.

I just radiated a young man who got pushed off his bike.  Broke his wrist.

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I think this was the one (although in googling for her I discovered
there were others also):

*********
AGO records also reveal that on August 3, 1862, a nineteen-year-old
Irish immigrant named Albert D. J. Cashier, described as having a light
complexion, blue eyes, and auburn hair, enlisted in the Ninety-fifth
Illinois Infantry. Cashier served steadily until August 17, 1865, when
the regiment was mustered out of the Federal army. Cashier participated
in approximately forty battles and skirmishes in those long, hard four
years. After the war, Cashier worked as a laborer, eventually drew a
pension, and finally went to live in the Quincy, Illinois, Soldiers'
Home. In 1913 a surgeon at the home discovered that Albert D. J. Cashier
was a woman. A public disclosure of the finding touched off a storm of
sensational newspaper stories, for Cashier had lived her entire adult
life as a man. None of Cashier's
former comrades-in-arms ever suspected that he was a she. Apparently,
neither did the
commandant at the Soldiers' Home. She died October 11, 1914, in an
insane asylum.(12) [A deposition from a fellow soldier taken in 1915
revealed that her deception was quite complete.]
*********
from:
http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/spring_1993_women_in_the_civil_war_2.html

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >> >  I was reading something not long ago about a Civil War
> >> > soldier who was later discovered to be a female masquerading as a male.
> >>
> >> Uh-huh.
>
> > I wish I remembered his/her name.  But I don't.  I remember that she was
> > an immigrant who for some reason became a soldier.  Yankee, I think.
>
> I doubt her name was Alec Plotkin.

?

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In a message dated 3/20/2003 4:14:54 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< I have flown a flag here since Jan. 1, 1988, when I moved in. I don't
intend taking it down. It has to do with my belief in free speech, and
does not mean that I support the war.

alyce
 >>

Dear Ally, coming from you, I believe it, but today, after hearing all this
talk about flying the flag to show your support with the war, it's different.
They just put it up today, therefor I assumed because it was because they
support the war. Please understand that I have nothing against flying it on
the 4th of July or any other holiday. BTW. I heard that several hundred
anti-war protesters have arrested today. Both here, and overseas. Theo

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> Dear Ally, coming from you, I believe it, but today, after hearing all this
> talk about flying the flag to show your support with the war, it's different.

I've been hearing it as to show support of the troops.  To me that's
quite different from showing support of the war.  At all the peace
rallies I've attended I've heard nothing but respect and appreciation
expressed for the troops.  Troops don't make the decisions of
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02003-03-20 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > 02003-03-20 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > > I can't think of anything more pointless (in the US) than anti-war
> > > protests planned for today.
> >
> > No--some sort of anti-war protest should go on through the duration
> > of the war and after that. If you are simply going to have "pragmatic
> > responses" to done deals you might as well shut up completely. The
> > meaning of anti-war protests now is: "I was opposed to this, and I
> > will oppose anything like this in the future". It doesn't necessarily
> > mean "call off the war". It might, to some people ... but that's fine
> > too. This is not a freaking tribal kingdom, it's a democracy.
>
> Oh?  Are we a democracy or a republic?

I am really so sorry. I will withdraw my citizenship application tomorrow.

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This has been a winter of turnover.  Several B&B inns have changed hands;
some we more or less knew about, some of which have been
surprises.  Anyhow, it seems to have been a good winter to sell an
inn.  Tonight, as we were having a drink and considering the menu at Mache
Bistro, Maureen, the owner, volunteered that James (our favorite waiter at
Havana and a wintertime occasional helper at Mache) and his wife had bought
a very nice restuarant in Southwest Harbor.  Not only that, but he had
already lured away the sous chef from Havana.  Interesting times, not only
in terms of what James and Elizabeth will develop at the Preble Grill, but
how Havana will fare, having lost two of their better people.

Anyhow, the dinner was great.  The greens with apple and a great blue
cheese went down well.  Then, I had "Waterzooi," which was essentially a
spicy bouillabaisse---sans tomato---with salmon, calamari, and
shrimp.  Exquisite.  Bonnie had a small sirloin with a jalapeno-chevre
sauce that also disappeared quickly.

Back to the more mundane world of college hoops.

cwv

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I wonder if all of the bubbas who are delighting in eating "Freedom Fries"
while stomping on brie and pouring French wines into the waters of the U.S.
realize that Wild Turkey whiskey is now owned by France's Pernod Ricard
group?  The same people ought not to stay at Red Roof Inns or Motel Sixes,
nor read (yeah, I know, this is a real reach) anything from Random House,
Knopf, or Modern Library publishers.

cwv

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 6:30:55 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>> Thursday, March 20, 2003, 6:18:37 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> > stodgy.  Here they're vomiting for peace (at the federal building)
>>
>> Vomiting for peace?

> I think you can figure it out.

I don't. Masturbate for peace *almost* makes sense to me. But
taking an emetic for peace? No.

Though I must admit that the whole thing nauseates me.

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>>>I see I have failed to communicate. Let me rephrase: it annoys
> >>me when somebody channels that day's talking head.
>
>>Why?      --Rashmi

>Ask not why.   Just about everything annoys the T Bone.

I'm glad he wasn't annoyed by the www.neonatal.org link on pimping
he passed on the other day. I just checked it out and it's a hoot.
Great find, Tushar.

I'm afraid of channeling Tushar here but I'm more annoyed than
usual by the talking heads. I know it's early but I haven't watched
any of the war but am getting my news online -- this way I get to
skip the on-air preening.

-rashmi

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> >
> > Oh?  Are we a democracy or a republic?
>
> I am really so sorry. I will withdraw my citizenship application
tomorrow.

No.  Please don't do that.  If you are going to
be here we want you legal.  Then we will begin
to educate you.  :-)

          - D. M.

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>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>Karen Kay wrote:
> > >> >  I was reading something not long ago about a Civil War
> > >> > soldier who was later discovered to be a female masquerading as a
>male.
> > >>
> > >> Uh-huh.
> >
> > > I wish I remembered his/her name.  But I don't.  I remember that she
>was
> > > an immigrant who for some reason became a soldier.  Yankee, I think.
> >
> > I doubt her name was Alec Plotkin.
>
>?

Duh! Alec has a penis...

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D.M:

>But I was always taught that a democracy was a
>system in which each individual has a say in
>government, which is a bit unmanageable.
>A republic is a system in which individuals
>elect someone to represent their group, state,
>etc. in government and speak for them.

I'm no civics geek but this sounds all wrong to me.

Republic = not a monarchy. France, USA are republics.
Britain, Australia, Kuwait are monarchies.

Democracy is representational government. France,
US, Britain, Australia are all democracies. Our great
ally Saudi Arabia is not.

Does this sound right? Lilla or William Wild should be
able to set us straight on this.

-rashmi

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>From: Terry WIld <twild@URI.EDU>
>Alyce,
>
>  Many good thoughts sent your way.  Here's hoping things go well and the
>healing is quick.  Look forward to your return...

>From me too. Big **HUGZ** to you Alyce.

I'm not reading enough right now except to know that I need to seek out an
Almond Joy martini and that Alec has a penis...so I'm not sure what's going
on, but my best wishes are with you.

Marie




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Tushar Samant wrote:

>  I will withdraw my citizenship application tomorrow.

Are you really going to become <one of us>?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> any of the war but am getting my news online -- this way I get to
> skip the on-air preening.

I prefer getting news online for lots of reasons.

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>But that's okay.  I don't think I'll use the
>digest form anymore.  I'll probably just cancel
>the subscription when I'm gone.

Yeah. Just go nomail and check the archives when you return if you really
care enough to follow up on what important details you might have missed. As
if.

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> >From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> >Karen Kay wrote:
> > > >> >  I was reading something not long ago about a Civil War
> > > >> > soldier who was later discovered to be a female masquerading as a
> >male.
> > > >>
> > > >> Uh-huh.
> > >
> > > > I wish I remembered his/her name.  But I don't.  I remember that she
> >was
> > > > an immigrant who for some reason became a soldier.  Yankee, I think.
> > >
> > > I doubt her name was Alec Plotkin.
> >
> >?
>
> Duh! Alec has a penis...

You also know that?  I didn't realize that Alec had been so <free> with
Wordslers.  But I don't understand your "duh."  My point about the Civil
War soldier is that one doesn't necessarily know which sex somebody is
without doing <exploration>.

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>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>02003-03-20 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> > Tushar is not very serious about much. His posts need not be taken
> > very seriously. I usually delete them.
>
>After you print them out and laminate and frame them and hang them
>in your bedroom ... I know that you little monkey ...

I think you have Alec and me confused, my malt-scented lust object...

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02003-03-21 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> I'm glad he wasn't annoyed by the www.neonatal.org link on pimping
> he passed on the other day. I just checked it out and it's a hoot.
> Great find, Tushar.

Not really a "find" per se ... a friend of mine sent it on.

> I'm afraid of channeling Tushar here

Don't fear it ... embrace it baby

> but I'm more annoyed than usual by the talking heads. I know it's
> early but I haven't watched any of the war but am getting my news
> online -- this way I get to skip the on-air preening.

Oh is Ashley on a carrier? *swoon*

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Speaking of which, I got a notice today from Ana's school
stating that they will be having a walk-a-thon during the
school day on April 4th.  They are requesting $100 per
family donation.  All children raising $25 will receive a
t-shirt.  Any child not raising $25 will not be permitted to
participate in the walk *during the school day*.

Is it just me, or is this shitty?

Anyway, next year she is going to WG.  I'm looking at either
a mixed age group (grades 1 - 3 combined) or a loop (teacher
"loops" with the students for two years) program.  I think
either would be good for her.  I'm also not comfortable not
having any access to special school district services these
days since issues are re-emerging.  Bleh.  Why does the
school thing have to be so freakin' difficult?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Marie Ascher wrote:
>
>>>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> I was reading something not long ago about a Civil War
>>>>>>>soldier who was later discovered to be a female masquerading as a
>>>>>>>
>>>male.
>>>
>>>>>>Uh-huh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I wish I remembered his/her name.  But I don't.  I remember that she
>>>>>
>>>was
>>>
>>>>>an immigrant who for some reason became a soldier.  Yankee, I think.
>>>>>
>>>>I doubt her name was Alec Plotkin.
>>>>
>>>?
>>>
>>Duh! Alec has a penis...
>>
>
> You also know that?  I didn't realize that Alec had been so <free> with
> Wordslers.  But I don't understand your "duh."  My point about the Civil
> War soldier is that one doesn't necessarily know which sex somebody is
> without doing <exploration>.


        Well.  Acadiafest is starting to have potential.

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02003-03-20 | Marie Ascher <lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> >02003-03-20 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> >> Tushar is not very serious about much. His posts need not be taken
> >> very seriously. I usually delete them.
> >
> >After you print them out and laminate and frame them and hang them
> >in your bedroom ... I know that you little monkey ...
>
> I think you have Alec and me confused, my malt-scented lust object...

What...? Who? Oh puppeteer monkey in the sky I think I'm going to DIE

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02003-03-20 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> If you are going to be here we want you legal.

Thanks for the support!

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>   Any child not raising $25 will not be permitted to
> participate in the walk *during the school day*.
>
> Is it just me, or is this shitty?

Mega-shitty.

> I'm also not comfortable not
> having any access to special school district services these
> days since issues are re-emerging.

What does this mean?

> Bleh.  Why does the
> school thing have to be so freakin' difficult?

I just learned something about the Starkville Schools that I had no idea
of before.  They have an open house for the parents of the next-grade
students sometime around this time of year, and the parents meet and
talk to the teachers and then choose which teacher they want their child
to have.  I don't know what happens if everybody chooses the same
teacher.  Apparently that doesn't happen since the people who were
talking about it yesterday said that it works well.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > War soldier is that one doesn't necessarily know which sex somebody is
> > without doing <exploration>.
>
>         Well.  Acadiafest is starting to have potential.

Yes.  It could get even more interesting that the hand tests we were
doing on the porch at Clambake.

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02003-03-21 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> I'm no civics geek but this sounds all wrong to me.
>
> Republic = not a monarchy. France, USA are republics.
> Britain, Australia, Kuwait are monarchies.
>
> Democracy is representational government. France,
> US, Britain, Australia are all democracies. Our great
> ally Saudi Arabia is not.
>
> Does this sound right? Lilla or William Wild should be
> able to set us straight on this.

More fundamentally, "democracy" doesn't and shouldn't signify anything
so narrow as "a structure of government". It's a sheaf of ideas, and there
are more, or less, democratic ways of doing things. You can get a sense
of how democratic a society is by observing what people instinctively
think are beneficial ways of reaching a concensus etc. Typically, people
who intone some lameass statement such as "this is a Republic"--and there
are lots of those--have very little feel for democratic institutions are
about.

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>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> > Duh! Alec has a penis...
>
>You also know that?

I do. I read it on words-l. Besides, I've met the hairy sunofabitch and I
promise, that ain't no woman.

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Here's a declaration that some of you have probably already signed but
that others of you who might be interested in signing might have missed:

http://www.moveon.org/declaration/

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> I do. I read it on words-l. Besides, I've met the hairy sunofabitch and I
> promise, that ain't no woman.

I've showered with him, and I agree that it would be highly unlikely for
him to be a her.

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>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>02003-03-20 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> > >> Tushar is not very serious about much. His posts need not be taken
> > >> very seriously. I usually delete them.
> > >
> > >After you print them out and laminate and frame them and hang them
> > >in your bedroom ... I know that you little monkey ...
> >
> > I think you have Alec and me confused, my malt-scented lust object...
>
>What...? Who? Oh puppeteer monkey in the sky I think I'm going to DIE

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New York.

>St. Louis
>
>Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
>>A poster on another list longs for Verner's ginger ale - does anyone know
>>where (what cities) it is  available in?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Bethany
>>
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Natalie Maynor wrote:


>
>>I'm also not comfortable not
>>having any access to special school district services these
>>days since issues are re-emerging.
>>
>
> What does this mean?


        The school she is in does not have any special education at
all.  Although Ana doesn't need services, sometimes little
issues crop up that I need to consult with an occupational
therapist about.  I tend to talk to the special education
people in my building and get information that way (I work
with many of the special education kids), but there are
limits.  And, of course, now that I'm working with so many
learning disabled kids, I'm getting a much clearer picture
of what she'll be dealing with as she advances through school.



>>Bleh.  Why does the
>>school thing have to be so freakin' difficult?
>>
>
> I just learned something about the Starkville Schools that I had no idea
> of before.  They have an open house for the parents of the next-grade
> students sometime around this time of year, and the parents meet and
> talk to the teachers and then choose which teacher they want their child
> to have.  I don't know what happens if everybody chooses the same
> teacher.  Apparently that doesn't happen since the people who were
> talking about it yesterday said that it works well.
>
> --


You can request a teacher in my district and I think it is
honored if at all possible.  Different kids work better with
different kinds of teachers, so if they're good teachers
with different styles, I'll bet it does work out.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> I can't think of anything more pointless (in the US) than anti-war
> protests planned for today.
>
> -rashmi

Having just come back from participating in one, I respectfully
disagree. The point of protests now, and until change comes, is
very clear. It has long been clear that last night was going to come.

We also know from past experience that many who disagreed,
or who were not able to articulate clear feelings of disagreement
but who had dreaded the open agression would at this moment
feel either hopeless or that it was now some kind of test of
loyalty to suspend independent judgment. (I am not talking about
anyone who is actively a supporter of the war). So this is a moment
when the voice of reason could easily be stilled everywhere.

But for those of us who have worked through to a clear stand
opposing the war, the long work of mourning the losses - loss
of life, loss of freedom, loss of dignity, loss of integrity on the
part of our leaders and compatriots in some cases, loss of
pride in America, loss of hope - now begins, and it is important
that this be done in public. We stand in public and mourn the
loss because those who grieve silently and fear to speak need
to know that they are not alone. We stand in public and mourn
so that those who have been sent know that we support them
and want them to come back to us alive. We stand in public and
mourn to remind our leaders of shame, remorse, and repentence
- the three sisters that wait for them in their dreams, because they
know that what they have done and what they have commited to
do is wrong.

We stand in public and mourn because there is another way to
do life, and we stand for that peaceful way.

And finally, there are those who stand in public and beat
drums and shout, and perhaps throw things, because the injustice
that is being perpetrated is breaking their hearts, and the pain
and anger is too great to do anything else.

clo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> And finally, there are those who stand in public and beat
> drums and shout, and perhaps throw things, because the injustice
> that is being perpetrated is breaking their hearts, and the pain
> and anger is too great to do anything else.

I wish I were able to do that. I understand a helicopter is down.
Already.

alyce
>
> clo


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Rita Chapman wrote:

> You can request a teacher in my district and I think it is
> honored if at all possible.  Different kids work better with
> different kinds of teachers, so if they're good teachers
> with different styles, I'll bet it does work out.

The people I was talking to yesterday represented children of widely
varying ages, from second grade through high school, and they all said
that it works well.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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> I'm afraid of channeling Tushar here but I'm more annoyed than
> usual by the talking heads. I know it's early but I haven't watched
> any of the war but am getting my news online -- this way I get to
> skip the on-air preening.
>
> -rashmi

Same here. Even CNN.com was annoying me today, so I went to reuters.com and
was much less unhappy with what I was reading.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> D.M:
>
> >But I was always taught that a democracy was a
> >system in which each individual has a say in
> >government, which is a bit unmanageable.
> >A republic is a system in which individuals
> >elect someone to represent their group, state,
> >etc. in government and speak for them.
>
> I'm no civics geek but this sounds all wrong to me.
>
> Republic = not a monarchy. France, USA are republics.
> Britain, Australia, Kuwait are monarchies.
>
> Democracy is representational government. France,
> US, Britain, Australia are all democracies. Our great
> ally Saudi Arabia is not.
>
> Does this sound right? Lilla or William Wild should be
> able to set us straight on this.
>
> -rashmi

According to the very thorough education in civics I had
back in the old days,
we are a republic, which means we have a representative form
of government with departmentalized units with some autonomy.
Democracy, the mass noun, refers to a sort of philosophy of
extending the greatest amount of freedom and control possible
to as many people as possible. So our democratic freedoms, which
are being so quickly stripped from us, are part of Democracy.

"A democracy", the count noun, refers to a govenmental form
in which everyone has a say, as long as they count as a person
in the definition - so for example I was repeatedly made aware
that in ancient Greece, any landholder could theoretically take
part in the original version of the governing structure. Of course
the (male) teacher wasn't as aware as the female students were
that the majority of Greek people weren't "Citizens" in the sense
of being able to participate. But once senators were elected to
make the decisions (eg Rome - we were always having to compare
and contrast Rome and Greece on this point), it wasn't a
democracy; it was a republican form of government.

clo

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> >From: Terry WIld <twild@URI.EDU>
> >Alyce,
> >
> >  Many good thoughts sent your way.  Here's hoping things go well and the
> >healing is quick.  Look forward to your return...
>
> >From me too. Big **HUGZ** to you Alyce.
>
> I'm not reading enough right now except to know that I need to seek out an
> Almond Joy martini and that Alec has a penis...so I'm not sure what's going
> on, but my best wishes are with you.
>
> Marie

This Almond Joy thing is funny. Are you sure it's a martini?
I have a coworker who is on a quest to get Almond Joys from
every bar she enters; and only two of about 40 or 50 I have
seen her try have had anyone who was even capable of
looking it up to see what was in it... it's a mixed drink with an
almond liqueur, a cream something, and a chocolate something.
I am pretty sure there's no vermouth!
clo

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 We stand in public and mourn so that those who have been
sent know that we support them and want them to come
back to us alive.
> clo


I would not question your right to express your feelings
as you wish, but I must comment that from the standpoint
of those "who have been sent" your actions may not be
interpreted as support.  It makes me wonder if you really
understand things from their point of view...if you have
ever sent anyone, or waited for anyone who was sent
to protect your right to live and express yourself as you
wish.

I'm not critical or angry.  Don't misunderstand.
My view and my experience are just quite different from
yours.

                           - D. M.

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> Fwiw, a very large percent of the participants in the peace rallies
I've
> been to have sons or daughters or other family members in the military
> (mainly sons).

Could be, but it doesn't make any particular sense.
Their sons/daughters made their decisions, the parents
made theirs.  The kids want to be where they are for
their own reasons.  I would guess they may be very
embarrassed by such parents.

>
> With due respect for military personnel, which I think I've already
said
> earlier, I don't get this about protecting our right to live and
express
> ourselves as we wish.

I wouldn't try to explain it to you, even if I could
Anyway I've driven hundreds of miles today, with
much on my mind.  I'm not up to explaining anything
to anyone tonight even if I knew the answers, which
I don't.

 As I also said earlier, it is not the troops who
> make the decisions about when/where/why to fight, so I am *not*
blaming
> them, but could you explain to me how our violating international law,
> attacking a country that has not attacked us, and incurring the wrath
of
> much of the world is going to help protect our right to live and
express
> ourselves?  I would say it's jeopardizing it bigtime.

Those troops obey their commands no matter what
they are.  If our country were invaded they would be
called out to protect you in ways that you could more
readily see.  But no matter what their commander in
chief orders they will obey, and that is a consistency
you can count upon in this country.  Just watch in the
next few days/weeks what will possibly happen in a
country where this is not the case.  Think about it.

                 - D. M.

                    - D. M.

>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> mourn to remind our leaders of shame, remorse, and repentence
> - the three sisters that wait for them in their dreams, because they
> know that what they have done and what they have commited to
> do is wrong.

I'm not convinced of that.  I certainly believe it's wrong, but I'm not
convinced that all of the leaders or war-supporters believe it's wrong.
I think they may think it's right.

> And finally, there are those who stand in public and beat
> drums and shout, and perhaps throw things, because the injustice
> that is being perpetrated is breaking their hearts, and the pain
> and anger is too great to do anything else.

I do feel pain and anger.  I also feel the greatest depression I've ever
felt in my life.  I continue to go through the motions, like signing all
the anti-war documents I see on the web, wearing my peace-sign button,
etc. etc.  But I feel numb.  We didn't even have a day-after rally
here.  I worry that everybody else is feeling numb also.  I've got to
give lots of credit to our local Green Party since they're the ones who
have been the major organizers of our marches and rallies and vigils.
But then I've always felt an affinity with the Greens.  If I ever get
fed up with the Democratic Party, I will be a Green.

In addition to feeling pain, anger, and depression, I feel major
bafflement.  Has anybody come up with a reason yet for why this country
is attacking another country on what is apparently whim?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I would not question your right to express your feelings
> as you wish, but I must comment that from the standpoint
> of those "who have been sent" your actions may not be
> interpreted as support.  It makes me wonder if you really
> understand things from their point of view...

Fwiw, a very large percent of the participants in the peace rallies I've
been to have sons or daughters or other family members in the military
(mainly sons).  A couple of our staunchest protestors have a son in the
military who miraculously escaped death at the Pentagon on 9/11 when he
happened shortly before 9:00 to go over to another section of the
building to check on his son, who was at his first day of day-care
there.  When he got back to his office, it wasn't there.  Nor were his
coworkers.  Well, some of their body pieces were.

> if you have
> ever sent anyone, or waited for anyone who was sent
> to protect your right to live and express yourself as you
> wish.

With due respect for military personnel, which I think I've already said
earlier, I don't get this about protecting our right to live and express
ourselves as we wish.  As I also said earlier, it is not the troops who
make the decisions about when/where/why to fight, so I am *not* blaming
them, but could you explain to me how our violating international law,
attacking a country that has not attacked us, and incurring the wrath of
much of the world is going to help protect our right to live and express
ourselves?  I would say it's jeopardizing it bigtime.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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I do indeed understand in a very personal way the waiting, the
dedication, the pride, the fear. There are people I know and
care about who are or have been at war.

I also know that those who are being sent are being told that
they are protecting me, and would like to think that is what
they are doing. That they are doing so against my wishes
and without my consent doesn't in any way lessen the nobility
of those urges to do right.

Everyone always gets to decide how they interpret actions.
Those who have been sent, and those who go willingly as
well, are being exposed for the most part to a pretty restricted
story of what is true - a pretty polarized one. There isn't much
room in that schema for me to be concerned about protecting
them, any more than there is room for them to consider whether
what they are doing is wrong.

That's lucky for their peace of mind in one way - it lessens
nagging doubts. Not so lucky in another way - if they need
to explore the pros and cons of what they're being asked to do,
they don't have much support for even thinking the thoughts.

Green ribbons that say "support the troops by bringing them
home" are part of a multi-dimensional world that exists, whether
it's understood or not. But if they never catch a glimpse of it,
there's not even any chance for questions to arise or understanding
to grow. It's my job to stand where I can be seen and
remind them that the world is more complicated than that.
clo

Doris Markland wrote:

>  We stand in public and mourn so that those who have been
> sent know that we support them and want them to come
> back to us alive.
> > clo
>
> I would not question your right to express your feelings
> as you wish, but I must comment that from the standpoint
> of those "who have been sent" your actions may not be
> interpreted as support.  It makes me wonder if you really
> understand things from their point of view...if you have
> ever sent anyone, or waited for anyone who was sent
> to protect your right to live and express yourself as you
> wish.
>
> I'm not critical or angry.  Don't misunderstand.
> My view and my experience are just quite different from
> yours.
>
>                            - D. M.

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--On Friday, March 21, 2003 1:33 AM +0000 Rashmi Murthy
<rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

> Does this sound right? Lillia or William Wild should be
> able to set us straight on this.
>

I know William is not *there* yet, and Lillia is studying other countries,
but will ask her and report back.

Terry

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 7:30:15 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:

>>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>> > >> >  I was reading something not long ago about a Civil War
>> > >> > soldier who was later discovered to be a female masquerading as a
>>male.
>> > >>
>> > >> Uh-huh.
>> >
>> > > I wish I remembered his/her name.  But I don't.  I remember that she
>>was
>> > > an immigrant who for some reason became a soldier.  Yankee, I think.
>> >
>> > I doubt her name was Alec Plotkin.
>>
>>?

> Duh! Alec has a penis...

That's how this started. Have you seen it?!

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 7:44:18 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Speaking of which, I got a notice today from Ana's school
> stating that they will be having a walk-a-thon during the
> school day on April 4th.  They are requesting $100 per
> family donation.  All children raising $25 will receive a
> t-shirt.  Any child not raising $25 will not be permitted to
> participate in the walk *during the school day*.

> Is it just me, or is this shitty?

This is WAY shitty.

What is the walk-a-thon for?

> Anyway, next year she is going to WG.  I'm looking at either
> a mixed age group (grades 1 - 3 combined) or a loop (teacher
> "loops" with the students for two years) program.  I think
> either would be good for her.

Ooh, I like the loop idea.

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 9:32:43 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> It's my job to stand where I can be seen and
> remind them that the world is more complicated than that.

YaY for clo! Very nicely said, the whole thing, both posts,
brava!!!! I'm going to wallpaper my house with your posts.

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>
> I also know that those who are being sent are being told that
> they are protecting me, and would like to think that is what
> they are doing. That they are doing so against my wishes
> and without my consent doesn't in any way lessen the nobility
> of those urges to do right.
>than that.
> clo

If I have any opportunity to speak with any military
personnel I shall gladly ask them to cross you and
Nat off the list of those they are protecting.  :-)

                       - D. M.

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> Thursday, March 20, 2003, 7:44:18 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> > Speaking of which, I got a notice today from Ana's school
> > stating that they will be having a walk-a-thon during the
> > school day on April 4th.  They are requesting $100 per
> > family donation.  All children raising $25 will receive a
> > t-shirt.  Any child not raising $25 will not be permitted to
> > participate in the walk *during the school day*.
>
> > Is it just me, or is this shitty?
>
> This is WAY shitty.


Way, way, way, way shitty.

         - D. M.

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>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>Thursday, March 20, 2003, 9:32:43 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > It's my job to stand where I can be seen and
> > remind them that the world is more complicated than that.
>
>YaY for clo! Very nicely said, the whole thing, both posts,
>brava!!!! I'm going to wallpaper my house with your posts.


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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Fwiw, a very large percent of the participants in the peace rallies
> I've
> > been to have sons or daughters or other family members in the military
> > (mainly sons).
>
> Could be, but it doesn't make any particular sense.
> Their sons/daughters made their decisions, the parents
> made theirs.  The kids want to be where they are for
> their own reasons.  I would guess they may be very
> embarrassed by such parents.

You would guess wrong in at least some of the cases.  Those
sons/daughters did commit themselves to the military and thereby
accepted the fact that they might be fighting an immoral war.  So in
that sense, yes -- they are where they are.  But I know that in at least
some of the cases they are most certainly not embarrassed by parents who
are protesting such a war.

>  As I also said earlier, it is not the troops who
> > make the decisions about when/where/why to fight, so I am *not*
> blaming
> > them, but could you explain to me how our violating international law,
> > attacking a country that has not attacked us, and incurring the wrath
> of
> > much of the world is going to help protect our right to live and
> express
> > ourselves?  I would say it's jeopardizing it bigtime.
>
> Those troops obey their commands no matter what
> they are.

That is precisely my point.  The troops don't make the decisions.  The
troops obey their commands, no matter what they are.  That is why I find
it highly inappropriate for people to equate being against the war to
being against the troops.  Although there are no doubt some crazies out
there somewhere, I personally know of no war protestors who are
protesting against the troops.  The troops are doing what they committed
themselves to do when they joined.  They are following orders.

> If our country were invaded they would be
> called out to protect you in ways that you could more
> readily see.

Well, duh.  Obviously it's readily seen that troops are protecting us if
the country is invaded.  That's a no-brainer.  The question here is not
about fighting back if attacked.  The question here is why we are the
attackers.

>  But no matter what their commander in
> chief orders they will obey, and that is a consistency
> you can count upon in this country.  Just watch in the
> next few days/weeks what will possibly happen in a
> country where this is not the case.  Think about it.

I don't get your point.  I have not questioned our troops in any way.  I
realize that they are trained to obey the commander in chief no matter
what.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Doris,
I want to thank you. I know you are tired and that you have a
lot more to worry about right now than my political stance.

As I said, I care quite a lot about the men and women who
are there, and if you think that knowing some of us would not
have asked them to put their lives on the line in this way would
lessen their burden in any way, please do convey it. Please be
sure, though, to convey also our concern for their safety, and
the fact that many of us are putting ourselves on the line for
them in the best way we know how, at the same time.
clo

Doris Markland wrote:

> >
> > I also know that those who are being sent are being told that
> > they are protecting me, and would like to think that is what
> > they are doing. That they are doing so against my wishes
> > and without my consent doesn't in any way lessen the nobility
> > of those urges to do right.
> >than that.
> > clo
>
> If I have any opportunity to speak with any military
> personnel I shall gladly ask them to cross you and
> Nat off the list of those they are protecting.  :-)
>
>                        - D. M.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Thursday, March 20, 2003, 9:58:39 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> >>YaY for clo! Very nicely said, the whole thing, both posts,
> >>brava!!!! I'm going to wallpaper my house with your posts.
>
> > Careful, she may DIE as it appears my hops-laden lust object has
>
> No, no, she has to come to Austin with a love token from My
> Akbrrrrrrp. And I have to give her one for him.
>
> Jeff

Sigh, always the bridesmaid - never the bride!
clo

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>
> That is precisely my point.  The troops don't make the decisions.  The
> troops obey their commands, no matter what they are.  That is why I
find
> it highly inappropriate for people to equate being against the war to
> being against the troops.  Although there are no doubt some crazies
out
> there somewhere, I personally know of no war protestors who are
> protesting against the troops.  The troops are doing what they
committed
> themselves to do when they joined.  They are following orders.

I agree that people who are protesting the war are not
protesting against the troops.  Nevertheless their
activity at this particular time creates a negative energy
which is not helpful to anyone.
>
> > If our country were invaded they would be
> > called out to protect you in ways that you could more
> > readily see.
>
> Well, duh.  Obviously it's readily seen that troops are protecting us
if
> the country is invaded.  That's a no-brainer.  The question here is
not
> about fighting back if attacked.  The question here is why we are the
> attackers.

As you said, the troops do not make that call.
>
> >  But no matter what their commander in
> > chief orders they will obey, and that is a consistency
> > you can count upon in this country.  Just watch in the
> > next few days/weeks what will possibly happen in a
> > country where this is not the case.  Think about it.
>
> I don't get your point.  I have not questioned our troops in any way.
I
> realize that they are trained to obey the commander in chief no matter
> what.

You were right.  You didn't get my point.

                               - D. M.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 9:58:39 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
>>YaY for clo! Very nicely said, the whole thing, both posts,
>>brava!!!! I'm going to wallpaper my house with your posts.


> Careful, she may DIE as it appears my hops-laden lust object has

No, no, she has to come to Austin with a love token from My
Akbrrrrrrp. And I have to give her one for him.

Jeff

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Doris Markland wrote:

> If I have any opportunity to speak with any military
> personnel I shall gladly ask them to cross you and
> Nat off the list of those they are protecting.  :-)

I do see the :-), but I nevertheless find this comment insulting.  I've
gotta log off and go to bed -- am up too late.  But I don't think you
get my point.  I can't speak for clo, but I can speak for myself in
saying that I am very much appreciative of the protection of the
military.  Like the Frenchman I think I mentioned going to hear a while
back, I understand why the US went after the Taliban.  (The Frenchman's
point was that that was totally logical, legal, etc. -- it was
defense.)  What I don't get, like the Frenchman, is why we're attacking
Iraq.  Exactly what am I being protected from?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > If I have any opportunity to speak with any military
> > personnel I shall gladly ask them to cross you and
> > Nat off the list of those they are protecting.  :-)
>
> I do see the :-), but I nevertheless find this comment insulting.
 > --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Please don't be insulted.  It was my impression,
honestly, that you didn't want to be protected.
I'll put you back on the list if you wish or if I could
or if it it would make any difference.  Goodnight.  Have
a good sleep.

                 - D. M.

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Yeah, yeah, I signed off from lounge_ascher@hotmail.com -- but here I am from my new address. Hope this one doesn't bounce so much, Adam!!

Marie

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 10:17:34 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> I agree that people who are protesting the war are not
> protesting against the troops.  Nevertheless their
> activity at this particular time creates a negative energy
> which is not helpful to anyone.

Bullshit. It's not the same sort of energy that is generated by
the military, but it's not negative energy.

And I have to say that I was very impressed by the attitude of
the Austin police official who was in charge of the police
response to the marchers today. At least *he* grokked that.

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 10:08:14 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> Yeah, yeah, I signed off from lounge_ascher@hotmail.com -- but

Did we ever know why you were a lounge ascher?

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On Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:40 PM -0600 Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
wrote:
Rita:
>> Anyway, next year she is going to WG.  I'm looking at either
>> a mixed age group (grades 1 - 3 combined) or a loop (teacher
>> "loops" with the students for two years) program.  I think
>> either would be good for her.
>
> Ooh, I like the loop idea.

We did looping with William.  He has the same teacher this year as last.
We felt that would benefit him as she knew him and he knew what was
expected.  It has worked out very well.

Terry

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 10:42:13 PM, Terry WIld wrote:
> We did looping with William.  He has the same teacher this year as last.
> We felt that would benefit him as she knew him and he knew what was
> expected.  It has worked out very well.

What happens in the year when he gets a new teacher? (I'm
thinking that for some kids it might be harder because they only
do it every two years.)

Karen

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> > Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >> > Careful, she may DIE as it appears my hops-laden lust object has
> >>
> >> No, no, she has to come to Austin with a love token from My
> >> Akbrrrrrrp. And I have to give her one for him.
> >>
>

I promise not to die until I become someone's hops-laden lust
object. This has now become my ambition in life. But since
Alec won't have me, I fear I may be doomed to wander the
earth in perpetuity, looking for an objectifier.

clo

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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 10:12:27 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Thursday, March 20, 2003, 9:58:39 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> >>YaY for clo! Very nicely said, the whole thing, both posts,
>> >>brava!!!! I'm going to wallpaper my house with your posts.
>>
>> > Careful, she may DIE as it appears my hops-laden lust object has
>>
>> No, no, she has to come to Austin with a love token from My
>> Akbrrrrrrp. And I have to give her one for him.
>>
>> Jeff

> Sigh, always the bridesmaid - never the bride!

LOL. I'm not sure *quite* what this means in this context, but I
have a love token for you, too. So there!:)

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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 22:58:33 -0600
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Thursday, March 20, 2003, 10:50:30 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> I promise not to die until I become someone's hops-laden lust
> object.

Do you like beer well enough to become hops-laden?

> This has now become my ambition in life. But since
> Alec won't have me, I fear I may be doomed to wander the
> earth in perpetuity, looking for an objectifier.

I don't think you'll have to wait long...

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http://dear_raed.blogspot.com/

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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 23:27:44 -0600
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You'll love the gift shop!

http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/store.aspx?s=notreadygov.0


Karen

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> Thursday, March 20, 2003, 10:17:34 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> > I agree that people who are protesting the war are not
> > protesting against the troops.  Nevertheless their
> > activity at this particular time creates a negative energy
> > which is not helpful to anyone.
>
> Bullshit. It's not the same sort of energy that is generated by
> the military, but it's not negative energy.

- Karen

Well, if I were opposed to my school participating
in basketball, I think that getting up on the sidelines
in front of the crowd in the gym and shouting "Down with
basketball!  Stop the game!" would not be the
best timing nor the best means of achieving my goal.
And it certainly would not create the kind of energy
that would help the team to win that game.

                  - D. M.

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In a message dated 3/20/2003 6:08:22 PM, cwv@PANAX.COM writes:

<< I wonder if all of the bubbas who are delighting in eating "Freedom Fries"
while stomping on brie and pouring French wines into the waters of the U.S.
realize that Wild Turkey whiskey is now owned by France's Pernod Ricard
group?  The same people ought not to stay at Red Roof Inns or Motel Sixes,
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Knopf, or Modern Library publishers.
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Or eating fancy dishes that were created by the much admired French quisine?
Theo

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> http://dear_raed.blogspot.com/


This is fascinating.  I hope the whole
thing is settled before anyone gets there.
They just said that 20% of the Republican
Guard has or is about to surrender.

     - D. M.

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In a message dated 3/20/2003 8:52:55 PM, dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

<< > Thursday, March 20, 2003, 7:44:18 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:

> > Speaking of which, I got a notice today from Ana's school

> > stating that they will be having a walk-a-thon during the

> > school day on April 4th.  They are requesting $100 per

> > family donation.  All children raising $25 will receive a

> > t-shirt.  Any child not raising $25 will not be permitted to

> > participate in the walk *during the school day*.

>

> > Is it just me, or is this shitty?

>

> This is WAY shitty.



Way, way, way, way shitty.

 >>

WAY,WAY,WAY,WAY,WAY,WAY,WAY,WAY,WAY,WAY,WAY, SHITTY!!!!!!!!  Theo

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On 20 Mar 2003 at 23:50, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> But since Alec won't have me, I fear I may be doomed to wander the earth
> in perpetuity, looking for an objectifier.

Are you cute?

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>In addition to feeling pain, anger, and depression, I feel major
>bafflement.  Has anybody come up with a reason yet for why this country
>is attacking another country on what is apparently whim?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Yes.   I understand why the US is attacking Iraq.  And you would too, if
you would just open up your mind a little bit.   I don't think the reasons
that are given are right or sufficient.   I don't think we should have
attacked Iraq.  But I certainly do understand the reasons given.   I hardly
think it is a "whim".   Did you even read what Kristen had to say?  I think
it is the duty of an intelligent person to try to understand the other side
of any argument.


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Duh! Alec has a penis...
>
> That's how this started. Have you seen it?!

Time for a show of hands.  How many Wordslers have seen Alec's sinclair?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Thursday, March 20, 2003, 10:42:13 PM, Terry WIld wrote:
>
>>We did looping with William.  He has the same teacher this year as last.
>>We felt that would benefit him as she knew him and he knew what was
>>expected.  It has worked out very well.
>>
>
> What happens in the year when he gets a new teacher? (I'm
> thinking that for some kids it might be harder because they only
> do it every two years.)


        Some of my fresmen will sort of "loop" with me -- since I am
the only one teaches sophomore CWC, all the LD freshmen I
have now who need CWC are in for another year of torture
from me :).

        I think Ana would do well being looped, but I have my eye on
the grades 1 - 3 class for her.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I agree that people who are protesting the war are not
> protesting against the troops.  Nevertheless their
> activity at this particular time creates a negative energy
> which is not helpful to anyone.

I don't think it can be said that it's not helpful to anyone.  Clo said
some things in one of her postings on this subject last night that I
believe show how/who it might be helping.  It might be helping the
future of this country for one thing.  And it is psychologically helpful
to speak out against what you believe to be wrong.  Reminds me in a way
of the "Who would Jesus bomb?" bumper stickers.

> > > If our country were invaded they would be
> > > called out to protect you in ways that you could more
> > > readily see.
> >
> > Well, duh.  Obviously it's readily seen that troops are protecting us
> if
> > the country is invaded.  That's a no-brainer.  The question here is
> not
> > about fighting back if attacked.  The question here is why we are the
> > attackers.
>
> As you said, the troops do not make that call.

This discussion is obviously going in circles and therefore going
nowhere.  Yes, the troops don't make the calls.  That is why these
protests are not against the troops.  I have said that repeatedly, as
have all of the speakers at the rallies I've attended, plus of course
the various parents of military people who have marched with peace
signs, etc.

> > >  But no matter what their commander in
> > > chief orders they will obey, and that is a consistency
> > > you can count upon in this country.  Just watch in the
> > > next few days/weeks what will possibly happen in a
> > > country where this is not the case.  Think about it.
> >
> > I don't get your point.  I have not questioned our troops in any way.
> I
> > realize that they are trained to obey the commander in chief no matter
> > what.
>
> You were right.  You didn't get my point.

So what was your point?  That our troops are better trained than Iraq's
and that they'll follow their commands in this war while the Iraqi
soldiers jump ship?  I'm in no way doubting that.  I have confidence
that our troops will prevail in all ways over the Iraqi troops.

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Terry WIld wrote:

> We did looping with William.  He has the same teacher this year as last.
> We felt that would benefit him as she knew him and he knew what was
> expected.  It has worked out very well.

Wouldn't that make the transition harder after the second year, though?
Maybe not.  I guess the same question could be asked about the
difference between changing teachers after a week or after a month or
whatever.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Well, if I were opposed to my school participating
> in basketball, I think that getting up on the sidelines
> in front of the crowd in the gym and shouting "Down with
> basketball!  Stop the game!" would not be the
> best timing nor the best means of achieving my goal.
> And it certainly would not create the kind of energy
> that would help the team to win that game.

It would be more appropriate outside of the gym, imho.  Re the war, are
there protestors lined up along the routes through the desert?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:
>
>
>>Well, if I were opposed to my school participating
>>in basketball, I think that getting up on the sidelines
>>in front of the crowd in the gym and shouting "Down with
>>basketball!  Stop the game!" would not be the
>>best timing nor the best means of achieving my goal.
>>And it certainly would not create the kind of energy
>>that would help the team to win that game.
>>
>
> It would be more appropriate outside of the gym, imho.  Re the war, are
> there protestors lined up along the routes through the desert?


        I don't want to "win" -- that means people die.  In any case,
I don't think that's an issue when their army is already
surrendering.

        Quit re-fighting Vietnam.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Thursday, March 20, 2003, 7:44:18 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Speaking of which, I got a notice today from Ana's school
>>stating that they will be having a walk-a-thon during the
>>school day on April 4th.  They are requesting $100 per
>>family donation.  All children raising $25 will receive a
>>t-shirt.  Any child not raising $25 will not be permitted to
>>participate in the walk *during the school day*.
>>
>
>>Is it just me, or is this shitty?
>>
>
> This is WAY shitty.
>
> What is the walk-a-thon for?


        They're raising money for a new building.  I have
participated in some of the other fundraisers, like buying
donuts or whatever, but I will simply not permit my
seven-year-old to beg for money.  I think it is unethical.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >In addition to feeling pain, anger, and depression, I feel major
> >bafflement.  Has anybody come up with a reason yet for why this country
> >is attacking another country on what is apparently whim?
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Yes.   I understand why the US is attacking Iraq.  And you would too, if
> you would just open up your mind a little bit.   I don't think the reasons
> that are given are right or sufficient.   I don't think we should have
> attacked Iraq.  But I certainly do understand the reasons given.   I hardly
> think it is a "whim".   Did you even read what Kristen had to say?  I think
> it is the duty of an intelligent person to try to understand the other side
> of any argument.

Sorry -- by "has anybody come up with a reason," I meant a convincing
reason.  Obviously I know what has been said to the media on the
subject.  I may not watch much tv, but I do follow the news every day.
Why you don't think I don't read with interest arguments on other sides
I don't know.  But then you said "an intelligent person."

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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08:11 20.03.2003 -0800 skrev Betty Clark:
>I called everyone and only got answering machines!  It was fun listening to
>Espen speak Norwegian though.

And I was so sleepy when I got to work that I thought at first that she was referring to a call from em where I had been speaking Norwegian - and I couldn't really believe that.

Espen

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At 12:36 AM 3/21/2003 -0500, Theodora Groothof wrote:

>Or eating fancy dishes that were created by the much admired French quisine?

There, we part ways.  French cuisine is a mediocre derivative of Italian
cuisine.

cwv

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At 10:06 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > I'm afraid of channeling Tushar here but I'm more annoyed than
> > usual by the talking heads. I know it's early but I haven't watched
> > any of the war but am getting my news online -- this way I get to
> > skip the on-air preening.
> >
> > -rashmi
>
>Same here.

...war as a spectator sport.

cwv

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> At 10:06 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > > I'm afraid of channeling Tushar here but I'm more annoyed than
> > > usual by the talking heads. I know it's early but I haven't
watched
> > > any of the war but am getting my news online -- this way I get to
> > > skip the on-air preening.
> > >
> > > -rashmi
> >
> >Same here.
>
> ...war as a spectator sport.
>
> cwv

The ultimate Survivor.

     - D. M.

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>Sorry -- by "has anybody come up with a reason," I meant a convincing
>reason.  Obviously I know what has been said to the media on the
>subject.   -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

So, in other words, you meant "has anybody come up with a reason that I
would find compelling?"  which is a pretty meaningless question.


    --bonniev

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> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> >   But I wasn't interested because I guessed that the daughter
> > probably didn't have a penis.
>
> When was this event?  Was it after you discovered the desirability of a
> penis?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

It was in 1996.  I discovered the the desirability of a penis at approximately the same
time I first noticed I had one - some time around 1949.

BrP

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Friday, March 21, 2003, 6:13:36 AM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Thursday, March 20, 2003, 7:44:18 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>Speaking of which, I got a notice today from Ana's school
>>>stating that they will be having a walk-a-thon during the
>>>school day on April 4th.  They are requesting $100 per
>>>family donation.  All children raising $25 will receive a
>>>t-shirt.  Any child not raising $25 will not be permitted to
>>>participate in the walk *during the school day*.
>>>
>>
>>>Is it just me, or is this shitty?
>>>
>>
>> This is WAY shitty.
>>
>> What is the walk-a-thon for?


>         They're raising money for a new building.  I have
> participated in some of the other fundraisers, like buying
> donuts or whatever, but I will simply not permit my
> seven-year-old to beg for money.  I think it is unethical.

It sounds like they are extorting money from parents.

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-rashmi:
>I can't think of anything more pointless (in the US)
>than anti-war protests planned for today.

Oh, it gave some people here another
chance to haul out their "FREE MUMIA"
and "REPARATIONS NOW" signs to wave
in front of the lo-cal news cameras.

"What the...  ?"

--
Richard         "ingenious and brilliant", my ass

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> On 20 Mar 2003 at 23:50, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > But since Alec won't have me, I fear I may be doomed to wander the earth
> > in perpetuity, looking for an objectifier.
>
> Are you cute?

Find out.
clo

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At 10:37 PM 3/20/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>I can't think of anything more pointless (in the US) than anti-war
>protests planned for today.
>
>-rashmi

Now I'm seriously going to keep you and Tina away from each other. She said
the same thing last night. She wanted to know what the point was since the
war had already started.

The point is, just because it's started doesn't mean people have to start
liking it and they can keep reminding their government and the rest of the
world of their feelings.

lisa

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At 08:07 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I wonder if all of the bubbas who are delighting in eating "Freedom Fries"
>while stomping on brie and pouring French wines into the waters of the U.S.
>realize that Wild Turkey whiskey is now owned by France's Pernod Ricard
>group?  The same people ought not to stay at Red Roof Inns or Motel Sixes,
>nor read (yeah, I know, this is a real reach) anything from Random House,
>Knopf, or Modern Library publishers.
>
>cwv

We stayed at a Red Roof Inn while in Florida. It was disgusting and I hated
every minute of it. I will never again  stay in one of their hotels,
regardless of whether a French company owns it.

lisa
who doesn't drink wild turkey 'cause she's sure it would burn a whole in
her throat.

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At 08:34 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>I'm not reading enough right now except to know that I need to seek out an
>Almond Joy martini
>Marie

If you can't make it to the Blue Martini in West Palm Beach, you can at
least look at their recipes...

http://www.acreativefactory.com/pbnl/BlueMartini/PAGES/menu.html

According to their menu and Almond Joy is $11 and consists of...

Malibu Coconut Rum, Godiva Dark Chocolate Liqueur. Garnished with Coconut
shavings and a chocolate rim.

lisa
who had the oreo cookie but it wasn't worth bragging about

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 08:34 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >I'm not reading enough right now except to know that I need to seek out an
> >Almond Joy martini
> >Marie
>
> If you can't make it to the Blue Martini in West Palm Beach, you can at
> least look at their recipes...
>
> http://www.acreativefactory.com/pbnl/BlueMartini/PAGES/menu.html
>
> According to their menu and Almond Joy is $11 and consists of...
>
> Malibu Coconut Rum, Godiva Dark Chocolate Liqueur. Garnished with Coconut
> shavings and a chocolate rim.
>
> lisa
> who had the oreo cookie but it wasn't worth bragging about

Oh, right, I forgot about the coconut rum. But there still is usually
something almondy in it as well, and I really thought there was
cream in it as well. Though this sounds better to me.
clo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> lisa alfieri wrote:
>
>
>>At 08:34 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'm not reading enough right now except to know that I need to seek out an
>>>Almond Joy martini
>>>Marie
>>>
>>If you can't make it to the Blue Martini in West Palm Beach, you can at
>>least look at their recipes...
>>
>>http://www.acreativefactory.com/pbnl/BlueMartini/PAGES/menu.html
>>
>>According to their menu and Almond Joy is $11 and consists of...
>>
>>Malibu Coconut Rum, Godiva Dark Chocolate Liqueur. Garnished with Coconut
>>shavings and a chocolate rim.
>>
>>lisa
>>who had the oreo cookie but it wasn't worth bragging about
>>
>
> Oh, right, I forgot about the coconut rum. But there still is usually
> something almondy in it as well, and I really thought there was
> cream in it as well. Though this sounds better to me.


        How is this a martini?

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Clyde:
clyde:
>At 10:06 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > > I'm afraid of channeling Tushar here but I'm more annoyed than
> > > usual by the talking heads. I know it's early but I haven't watched
> > > any of the war but am getting my news online -- this way I get to
> > > skip the on-air preening.

> >Same here.

>...war as a spectator sport.

Howard Stern called the war "a blowout. Bad Superbowl". I'm still
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Natalie:
> though the die was almost certainly cast a few days ago

and then

> Now that it is irrevocably cast, I see

Look, it was either cast, or it wasn't.  That's
the whole point of the expression.

"Croupier, I'd like a do over, please."

--
Richard         "ingenious and brilliant", my ass

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At 10:12 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>This Almond Joy thing is funny. Are you sure it's a martini?
>I have a coworker who is on a quest to get Almond Joys from
>every bar she enters; and only two of about 40 or 50 I have
>seen her try have had anyone who was even capable of
>looking it up to see what was in it... it's a mixed drink with an
>almond liqueur, a cream something, and a chocolate something.
>I am pretty sure there's no vermouth!
>clo

The term "martini" has been bastardized.

lisa

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clo:

>>Malibu Coconut Rum, Godiva Dark Chocolate Liqueur. Garnished with Coconut
>>shavings and a chocolate rim.
>>
>>lisa

>Oh, right, I forgot about the coconut rum. But there still is usually
>something almondy in it as well, and I really thought there was

My martini connoisseur pal thought it had amaretto.

-rashmi



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Betty Clark wrote:

> >It took me long to make up my mind about the war and matters concerning it. I
> >wanted to share it with you all

> Thanks for writing this, Kristin.

And I thank you for reading, as well as others who read it.

Kristin

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Doris Markland wrote:

> >> It makes me wonder if you really
> >>understand things from their point of view...if you have
> >>ever sent anyone, or waited for anyone who was sent
> >>to protect your right to live and express yourself as you
> >>wish.

Natalie:

>>In addition to feeling pain, anger, and depression, I feel major
>>bafflement.  Has anybody come up with a reason yet for why this
country
>>is attacking another country on what is apparently whim?
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Bonnie:

>Yes.   I understand why the US is attacking Iraq.  And you would too,
if
>you would just open up your mind a little bit.   I don't think the
reasons
>that are given are right or sufficient.   I don't think we should have
>attacked Iraq.  But I certainly do understand the reasons given.   I
hardly
>think it is a "whim".   Did you even read what Kristen had to say?  I
think
>it is the duty of an intelligent person to try to understand the other
side
>of any argument.

I miss John M. W. in the discussion!

Kristin

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On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >
>
> I promise not to die until I become someone's hops-laden lust
> object. This has now become my ambition in life. But since
> Alec won't have me, I fear I may be doomed to wander the
> earth in perpetuity, looking for an objectifier.

Well have you started on the hops-laden part?  Perhaps you're looking for
lust in all the wrong places.  Tushar can advise you on the beers if need
be - do all the bartenders in the county know you yet?

Ann

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > >
> >
> > I promise not to die until I become someone's hops-laden lust
> > object. This has now become my ambition in life. But since
> > Alec won't have me, I fear I may be doomed to wander the
> > earth in perpetuity, looking for an objectifier.
>
> Well have you started on the hops-laden part?  Perhaps you're looking for
> lust in all the wrong places.  Tushar can advise you on the beers if need
> be - do all the bartenders in the county know you yet?
>
> Ann

No - but a shocking number of the barflys do!

So hops-lading is a prerequisite to becoming a lust object.
This may explain quite a lot. I take it Almond Joys will not help
me attain this joyous state?

It's a delicate problem.... I can't stand to drink in company with
my stex, and I 'm in his company quite a bit...

clo

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At 08:00 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>This has been a winter of turnover.  Several B&B inns have changed hands;
>some we more or less knew about, some of which have been
>surprises.  Anyhow, it seems to have been a good winter to sell an
>inn.  Tonight, as we were having a drink and considering the menu at Mache
>Bistro, Maureen, the owner, volunteered that James (our favorite waiter at
>Havana and a wintertime occasional helper at Mache) and his wife had bought
>a very nice restuarant in Southwest Harbor.  Not only that, but he had
>already lured away the sous chef from Havana.  Interesting times, not only
>in terms of what James and Elizabeth will develop at the Preble Grill, but
>how Havana will fare, having lost two of their better people.
>
>Anyhow, the dinner was great.  The greens with apple and a great blue
>cheese went down well.  Then, I had "Waterzooi," which was essentially a
>spicy bouillabaisse---sans tomato---with salmon, calamari, and
>shrimp.  Exquisite.  Bonnie had a small sirloin with a jalapeno-chevre
>sauce that also disappeared quickly.
Will there be any good places to eat by the  time we get there?

>Back to the more mundane world of college hoops.

Go Bears!

B

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At 08:30 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>> > >> >  I was reading something not long ago about a Civil War
>> > >> > soldier who was later discovered to be a female masquerading as a
>>male.
>> > >>
>> > >> Uh-huh.
>> >
>> > > I wish I remembered his/her name.  But I don't.  I remember that she
>>was
>> > > an immigrant who for some reason became a soldier.  Yankee, I think.
>> >
>> > I doubt her name was Alec Plotkin.
>>
>>?
>
>Duh! Alec has a penis...


You've seen it, too??


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----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Date: Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:27 pm
Subject: Re: Bless your heart!

> Thursday, March 20, 2003, 10:08:14 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> > Yeah, yeah, I signed off from lounge_ascher@hotmail.com -- but
>
> Did we ever know why you were a lounge ascher?

No. Probably not. I'm not quite sure meself. It's a lifestyle thing.

Marie

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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> So hops-lading is a prerequisite to becoming a lust object.
> This may explain quite a lot. I take it Almond Joys will not help
> me attain this joyous state?
>
> It's a delicate problem.... I can't stand to drink in company with
> my stex, and I 'm in his company quite a bit...

I'm talking lust object and you're talking "delicate problem"?


Hey, decide what you want to be, l.o. or a neurotic wuss.

Ann

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Time for a show of hands.  How many Wordslers have seen Alec's sinclair?

...but I won't tell you, I won't tell you... :-)

Kr.

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At 07:44 PM 3/20/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Speaking of which, I got a notice today from Ana's school
>stating that they will be having a walk-a-thon during the
>school day on April 4th.  They are requesting $100 per
>family donation.  All children raising $25 will receive a
>t-shirt.  Any child not raising $25 will not be permitted to
>participate in the walk *during the school day*.
>
>Is it just me, or is this shitty?

Very shitty!
B

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > So hops-lading is a prerequisite to becoming a lust object.
> > This may explain quite a lot. I take it Almond Joys will not help
> > me attain this joyous state?
> >
> > It's a delicate problem.... I can't stand to drink in company with
> > my stex, and I 'm in his company quite a bit...
>
> I'm talking lust object and you're talking "delicate problem"?
>
> Hey, decide what you want to be, l.o. or a neurotic wuss.
>
> Ann

LOL
(lust object laughter)
Ann, I look to you to show me the way.
clo

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At 10:35 AM 3/21/2003 -0500, lisa alfieri wrote:
 >The term "martini" has been bastardized.

...and it all started with vodka...

cwv

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At 08:16 AM 3/21/2003 -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
>Will there be any good places to eat by the  time we get there?

I'm confident that there will be.  Things change every year.  I'm fairly
sure that Havana has had two, possibly three chefs during its short
lifetime and the food has remained good.

cwv

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At 07:24 AM 3/21/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > At 10:06 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > > > I'm afraid of channeling Tushar here but I'm more annoyed than
> > > > usual by the talking heads. I know it's early but I haven't
>watched
> > > > any of the war but am getting my news online -- this way I get to
> > > > skip the on-air preening.
> > > >
> > > > -rashmi
> > >
> > >Same here.
> >
> > ...war as a spectator sport.
> >
> > cwv

Reality TV

>The ultimate Survivor.
>
>      - D. M.

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> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > Duh! Alec has a penis...
> >
> > That's how this started. Have you seen it?!
>
> Time for a show of hands.  How many Wordslers have seen Alec's sinclair?

>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


I am keeping my hands right where they are thank you.


BrP

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lisa alfieri:
= At 08:34 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
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= According to their menu and Almond Joy is $11 and consists of...
=

Is $11 a normal price for a cocktail??!

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=
= Well have you started on the hops-laden part?  Perhaps you're looking for
= lust in all the wrong places.  Tushar can advise you on the beers if need
= be - do all the bartenders in the county know you yet?
=
= Ann

I am now working on the hops-laden part of the evening.  Now I
just need to write something!

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02003-03-20 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> "A democracy", the count noun, refers to a govenmental form
> in which everyone has a say, as long as they count as a person
> in the definition -

That's a pretty dumb definition, and I hope they don't keep
teaching that in school.

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At 07:14 PM 3/21/2003 +0100, steph wrote:

>Is $11 a normal price for a cocktail??!

I imagine that for a fancy-schmancy "house special" in Florida, it probably
is.

cwv

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That Rumsfeld is having a good time?

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Karen Kay writes,

>That Rumsfeld is having a good time?

A good writerly piece about the past few months, which conveys some of
that: <http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030331&s=shawn>.

 From that piece, regarding "democracy":

>In school we were taught various terms to characterize political
>systems--"oligarchy," "autocracy," "democracy." What is our system? No
>term for it exists. To call it a democracy puts a false picture in the
>mind. How can you call it a democracy when, for example, the people don't
>even know today why in 1991 the first President Bush seemed to seek out
>the opportunity to attack Iraq, circumventing opportunities to avoid war?
>Yes, we're allowed to vote for our leaders, but we don't know what they're
>really like, because we're not allowed to know what they do. The enormous
>enterprises of the government are conducted sometimes for the benefit of
>some of the citizens, maybe even occasionally for the benefit of all of
>the citizens, but the citizens don't even know what the government is
>doing, much less why, much less who the beneficiaries are. The citizens
>can hardly be expected to comment intelligently on the government's
>decisions, because the citizens don't know what's actually going on, and
>they can't find out. We are lied to, manipulated and brainwashed, and then
>we're brought in at the appropriate moment to cheer and applaud, and we're
>never even told what we were being asked to applaud. If that's
>"democracy," then we're using the word in a very restricted fashion.

Pete

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02003-03-20 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >  I will withdraw my citizenship application tomorrow.
>
> Are you really going to become <one of us>?

No, I just threaten it from time to time--to piss Doris off, among others.

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-03-20 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
= > Tushar Samant wrote:
= >
= > >  I will withdraw my citizenship application tomorrow.
= >
= > Are you really going to become <one of us>?
=
= No, I just threaten it from time to time--to piss Doris off, among others.

Why do you think that would piss off Doris?

and

Doris, would that piss you off?


I do think, though, that you ought to nail down as well as you
can your right to stay.  You are not going to be a happy camper if
they decide to boot you for one reason or another (or no reason
at all).

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> Karen Kay writes,
>
> >That Rumsfeld is having a good time?
>
> A good writerly piece about the past few months, which conveys some of
> that: <http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030331&s=shawn>.
>
>  From that piece, regarding "democracy":
>
> >In school we were taught various terms to characterize political
> >systems--"oligarchy," "autocracy," "democracy." What is our system?
No
> >term for it exists. To call it a democracy puts a false picture in
the
> >mind. How can you call it a democracy when, for example, the people
don't
> >even know today why in 1991 the first President Bush seemed to seek
out
> >the opportunity to attack Iraq, circumventing opportunities to avoid
war?
> >Yes, we're allowed to vote for our leaders, but we don't know what
they're
> >really like, because we're not allowed to know what they do. The
enormous
> >enterprises of the government are conducted sometimes for the benefit
of
> >some of the citizens, maybe even occasionally for the benefit of all
of
> >the citizens, but the citizens don't even know what the government is
> >doing, much less why, much less who the beneficiaries are. The
citizens
> >can hardly be expected to comment intelligently on the government's
> >decisions, because the citizens don't know what's actually going on,
and
> >they can't find out. We are lied to, manipulated and brainwashed, and
then
> >we're brought in at the appropriate moment to cheer and applaud, and
we're
> >never even told what we were being asked to applaud. If that's
> >"democracy," then we're using the word in a very restricted fashion.
>
> Pete


Pete, if this is what you've been reading no
wonder you've been so upset.

How old is the person writing this?


                   - D. M.

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02003-03-20 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> Well, if I were opposed to my school participating
> in basketball, I think that getting up on the sidelines
> in front of the crowd in the gym and shouting "Down with
> basketball!  Stop the game!" would not be the
> best timing nor the best means of achieving my goal.
> And it certainly would not create the kind of energy
> that would help the team to win that game.

As I said, no particular grasp of what democracy is about.

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02003-03-21 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> Pete, if this is what you've been reading no
> wonder you've been so upset.
>
> How old is the person writing this?

And what race? From the coasts or the middle? City or country?

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02003-03-21 | steph <stevie@YOCCOZ.MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-03-20 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> = > Tushar Samant wrote:
> = >
> = > >  I will withdraw my citizenship application tomorrow.
> = >
> = > Are you really going to become <one of us>?
> =
> = No, I just threaten it from time to time--to piss Doris off, among others.
>
> Why do you think that would piss off Doris?
>
> and
>
> Doris, would that piss you off?

Damn, do I need to try something else?

> I do think, though, that you ought to nail down as well as you
> can your right to stay.  You are not going to be a happy camper if
> they decide to boot you for one reason or another (or no reason
> at all).

I have a "right to stay"? More like I have a profile to stay...I
almost think that India has been belligerent, anti-Muslim and with
a particular hatred of Arabs for so long, just so I could stay...

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Doris Markland writes,

>Pete, if this is what you've been reading no wonder you've been so upset.

It's pretty close to my independent observation (kid though I am).  I think
we're close to state-of-the-art in "democracy," and that it's generally a
good thing -- but it's also not the same thing that the framers envisioned,
anymore, or what I was taught was "democracy" in grade school.  The world
has changed.

You'll laugh, but I'm excited about the way the world changes even more
with massive, personal connectivity, and things like blogs, and by
extension, the Emergent Democracy people I'm working with.

>How old is the person writing this?

Born in November, 1943: <http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Shawn>.  You
know who he is: <http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Makeup/6353/wshawn.html>.

Pete

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> 02003-03-21 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> > How can I take seriously a philosopher whose surname is Pannekoeke?
>
> Depends on the syrup haaaaaahahahahaha

Depends on how fast he gets to the table
before he deflates.

               - D. M.

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02003-03-21 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > 02003-03-21 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> > > How can I take seriously a philosopher whose surname is Pannekoeke?
> >
> > Depends on the syrup haaaaaahahahahaha
>
> Depends on how fast he gets to the table
> before he deflates.

That's another valid answer ...

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Sorry -- by "has anybody come up with a reason," I meant a convincing
> >reason.  Obviously I know what has been said to the media on the
> >subject.   -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> So, in other words, you meant "has anybody come up with a reason that I
> would find compelling?"  which is a pretty meaningless question.

Of course that's what I mean.  Has anybody come up with a compelling
reason means unless otherwise specified compelling to the questioner.
Whether it's a meaningless question I don't know.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> 02003-03-20 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > Well, if I were opposed to my school participating
> > in basketball, I think that getting up on the sidelines
> > in front of the crowd in the gym and shouting "Down with
> > basketball!  Stop the game!" would not be the
> > best timing nor the best means of achieving my goal.
> > And it certainly would not create the kind of energy
> > that would help the team to win that game.
>
> As I said, no particular grasp of what democracy is about.

It's because I live in a republic.

             - D. M.

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> 02003-03-20 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > >  I will withdraw my citizenship application tomorrow.
> >
> > Are you really going to become <one of us>?
>
> No, I just threaten it from time to time--to piss Doris off, among
others.

Not at all.  I think you are an American
at heart.

             - D. M.

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> Doris Markland writes,
>
> >Pete, if this is what you've been reading no wonder you've been so
upset.
>
> It's pretty close to my independent observation (kid though I am).  I
think
> we're close to state-of-the-art in "democracy," and that it's
generally a
> good thing -- but it's also not the same thing that the framers
envisioned,
> anymore, or what I was taught was "democracy" in grade school.  The
world
> has changed.
>
> You'll laugh, but I'm excited about the way the world changes even
more
> with massive, personal connectivity, and things like blogs, and by
> extension, the Emergent Democracy people I'm working with.
>
> >How old is the person writing this?
>
> Born in November, 1943: <http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Shawn>.
You
> know who he is:
<http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Makeup/6353/wshawn.html>.
>
> Pete


Just a kid.  But you're right.  I do know his face.

                   - D. M.

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02003-03-21 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > 02003-03-20 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > > Well, if I were opposed to my school participating
> > > in basketball, I think that getting up on the sidelines
> > > in front of the crowd in the gym and shouting "Down with
> > > basketball!  Stop the game!" would not be the
> > > best timing nor the best means of achieving my goal.
> > > And it certainly would not create the kind of energy
> > > that would help the team to win that game.
> >
> > As I said, no particular grasp of what democracy is about.
>
> It's because I live in a republic.

No, you live in a domestic community-sized tyranny. Whereas
we are talking about a country.

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Must I think that funny names make people to become philosophers?

How can I take seriously a philosopher whose surname is Pannekoeke? He
is quoted quite often. Another one is Pelikan, often quoted, too. And
now I have an article to proofread a co-author of which is Beat
Sitter-Liver, professor of practical philosophy at Freiburg University.

Kristin

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At 07:14 PM 3/21/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri:
>= At 08:34 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>=
>=
>= According to their menu and Almond Joy is $11 and consists of...
>=
>
>Is $11 a normal price for a cocktail??!

no and it wasn't worth it either. at least mine wasn't.

lisa

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> > >
> > > As I said, no particular grasp of what democracy is about.
> >
> > It's because I live in a republic.
>
> No, you live in a domestic community-sized tyranny. Whereas
> we are talking about a country.

Go back to class.  You are not yet ready
for citizenship.

                    - D. M.

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Dow Jones up 2%!

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02003-03-21 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > > >
> > > > As I said, no particular grasp of what democracy is about.
> > >
> > > It's because I live in a republic.
> >
> > No, you live in a domestic community-sized tyranny. Whereas
> > we are talking about a country.
>
> Go back to class.  You are not yet ready
> for citizenship.

I am guessing you didn't have to take classes ...

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lisa:

> >I can't think of anything more pointless (in the US) than anti-war
> >protests planned for today.

>Now I'm seriously going to keep you and Tina away from each other.

I have this annoying trait of wanting to see many sides of every
issue. For example whileI believe anti-war protests in the US
yesterday were counterproductive I also agreed with Karen's point
about fair-weather protesters.

>She said
>the same thing last night. She wanted to know what the point was since the
>war had already started.

>The point is, just because it's started doesn't mean people have to start
>liking it and they can keep reminding their government and the rest of the
>world of their feelings.

Yeah, but stopping traffic and causing a ruckus is really dumb at this
point. They need to find more imaginative ways of registering their
objections to the war. This ain't the 60s dammit.

-rashmi

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Karen Kay writes,

>That Rumsfeld is having a good time?

I haven't followed today's events but he has every right to be
pleased by the way things are going so far. This is turning
out into one heck of a lopsided conflict.

-rashmi


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> > Born in November, 1943: <http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Shawn>.
You
> > know who he is:
<http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Makeup/6353/wshawn.html>.
> >
> > Pete

>Just a kid.

barf.

-rashmi

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> Dow Jones up 2%!

and oil prices down

yippee! Ain't war grand ?


BrP

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02003-03-21 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> How can I take seriously a philosopher whose surname is Pannekoeke?

Depends on the syrup haaaaaahahahahaha

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> We stayed at a Red Roof Inn while in Florida. It was disgusting and I hated
> every minute of it. I will never again  stay in one of their hotels,
> regardless of whether a French company owns it.

What made it disgusting?  I don't think I've ever stayed in one.

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:
> > though the die was almost certainly cast a few days ago
>
> and then
>
> > Now that it is irrevocably cast, I see
>
> Look, it was either cast, or it wasn't.  That's
> the whole point of the expression.

Correct.  That's why I said "almost certainly" in the first sentence.
Or is it my "irrevocably" that you're objecting to?  I agree that
something like "clearly" or "for sure" would have been a better choice.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> I miss John M. W. in the discussion!

Where is he?  Has he joined the Marines and left us?

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> lisa:
>
> > >I can't think of anything more pointless (in the US) than anti-war
> > >protests planned for today.
>
> >Now I'm seriously going to keep you and Tina away from each other.
>
> I have this annoying trait of wanting to see many sides of every
> issue. For example whileI believe anti-war protests in the US
> yesterday were counterproductive I also agreed with Karen's point
> about fair-weather protesters.
>
> >She said
> >the same thing last night. She wanted to know what the point was since the
> >war had already started.
>
> >The point is, just because it's started doesn't mean people have to start
> >liking it and they can keep reminding their government and the rest of the
> >world of their feelings.
>
> Yeah, but stopping traffic and causing a ruckus is really dumb at this
> point. They need to find more imaginative ways of registering their
> objections to the war. This ain't the 60s dammit.
>
> -rashmi

Well, I am still braiding my hair.
clo

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--On Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:48 PM -0600 Karen Kay
<Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

> What happens in the year when he gets a new teacher? (I'm
> thinking that for some kids it might be harder because they only
> do it every two years.)
>

When the new teacher comes, it is the typical transition period.  William
had to do that from 1st to 2nd.  Part of the benefit is that for those
children who have difficulties during transition, they still go about
learning transition skills in the classroom.  Children can't get away from
transition, but hopefully the older they get the easier it gets.

Terry

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> For example whileI believe anti-war protests in the US
> yesterday were counterproductive I also agreed with Karen's point
> about fair-weather protesters.

What exactly is a "fair-weather protester"?

> Yeah, but stopping traffic and causing a ruckus is really dumb at this
> point.

Is there any point at which that behavior would not be dumb?  Seems to
me it would be counter-productive.  (Then again, the Starkville Police
did stop the traffic briefly at each intersection of Main Street during
our peace march.  People didn't seem to mind.  The ones I saw cheered
and gave thumbs-up signs.)

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At 03:13 PM 3/21/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > We stayed at a Red Roof Inn while in Florida. It was disgusting and I hated
> > every minute of it. I will never again  stay in one of their hotels,
> > regardless of whether a French company owns it.
>
>What made it disgusting?  I don't think I've ever stayed in one.

It had that stale smoke smell. The blanket had burn holes in it. There were
no dresser drawers to put anything in, instead there were a few shelves for
our clothes. The wanted to "confiscate" my license for 30 minutes when I
asked to borrow a lighter. The desk help was a freakin' bee-aach when I
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out of the shower) so they guy came and removed it from the room. The alarm
clock was set for 4:45 am and went off promptly on the first morning of our
stay. The towels sucked. It took them hours to clean the pool after an
overnight rain had dumped natural and unnatural (cigarette wrapper for one)
articles in it.

Basically I hated it.  I'm not a hotel/motel/B&B snob. This one just didn't
get very good grades from me.

lisa

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Terry WIld wrote:

> --On Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:48 PM -0600 Karen Kay
> <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>
>> What happens in the year when he gets a new teacher? (I'm
>> thinking that for some kids it might be harder because they only
>> do it every two years.)
>>
>
> When the new teacher comes, it is the typical transition period.  William
> had to do that from 1st to 2nd.  Part of the benefit is that for those
> children who have difficulties during transition, they still go about
> learning transition skills in the classroom.  Children can't get away from
> transition, but hopefully the older they get the easier it gets.


        The middle school years are the most critical, which is
typically when we force them to make the most transitions.

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Was this the day of the biopsy?
>
> Yes.  She was to be stuck this morning and then monitored for hours,
> finishing the ordeal late afternoon but with a longish trip home.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Gotta be a hard day for her.

          - D. M.

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Doris writes,

>Anyone know why CNN was singled out?

It may just be that they were the last US network there.

Or of course, if the US can play the propaganda /intimidation game, so can
Iraq -- CNN has singular standing in the world, and kicking them out sends
a certain message.

Pete

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >-----Original Message-----
> >
> >= She might have had a moustache.
>
> >= alec
> >
> >You got something against that?
> >
>
> Women with moustaches don't do much for me. Sorry.
>
> alec

I bet not, with that attitude!
clo
Groucho Marx for a day

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> It had that stale smoke smell. The blanket had burn holes in it.

Ugh.

> There were
> no dresser drawers to put anything in, instead there were a few shelves for
> our clothes.

This is interesting.  Somebody I was sharing a hotel room with one time
put things in the dresser drawers, which I found surprising since I
didn't realize anybody ever did.  Am I mutant in not doing so?  I use
hotel closets or racks for hanging things that need to hang, and I might
put shoes on the floor under the hanging clothes, but that's it for
putting things away.  The rest of my stuff is quite content to stay in
the suitcase.  I lived that way even the time I was in the same hotel
room for six weeks.

> The wanted to "confiscate" my license for 30 minutes when I
> asked to borrow a lighter.

Huh?  What does this mean?

> The desk help was a freakin' bee-aach when I
> checked in upon arrival. The cable selections were lame. The smoke alarm in
> our room went off at full blast while I was buck freakin' naked (just got
> out of the shower) so they guy came and removed it from the room. The alarm
> clock was set for 4:45 am and went off promptly on the first morning of our
> stay. The towels sucked. It took them hours to clean the pool after an
> overnight rain had dumped natural and unnatural (cigarette wrapper for one)
> articles in it.
>
> Basically I hated it.  I'm not a hotel/motel/B&B snob. This one just didn't
> get very good grades from me.

It indeed sounds unpleasant.  I *hate* it when somebody leaves an alarm
clock set and I don't notice.  I wish hotels didn't have them.  I always
take and use my own.  Speaking of smoke alarms, I did tell earlier,
didn't I, the story of our honeymooning secretary and her groom at the
Peabody in Memphis when there was a major fire-alarm in the middle of
the night and the people all had to stand out on the cold sidewalks for
an hour or so but the ducks were quickly escorted to a waiting
limousine, where they relaxed until going back inside.

Have I told about the wonderful little hotel I stumbled upon in
Vicksburg last week?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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> She should be on her way home now.  That's a good thought.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Was this the day of the biopsy?

          - D. M.

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She should be on her way home now.  That's a good thought.

--
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Doris Markland wrote:

> Was this the day of the biopsy?

Yes.  She was to be stuck this morning and then monitored for hours,
finishing the ordeal late afternoon but with a longish trip home.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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alyce cresap wrote:
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> Hi, I am home. Am OK, but stressed out. More later.

WELCOME HOME!

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"An Iraqi information ministry official who declined to be identified told Reuters in Baghdad that CNN was told to leave "because they have become a propaganda "

Anyone know why CNN was singled out?

          - D. M.

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02003-03-21 | Tony Harminc <tony@HARMINC.COM> writes:
> "representative democracy"

Yes, this was the term we were taught. Though public referenda can
in principle be taken (the "Kashmir plebiscite" being a famous case).

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Hi, I am home. Am OK, but stressed out. More later.

alyce

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"An Iraqi information ministry official who declined to be identified
told Reuters in Baghdad that CNN was told to leave "because they have
become a propaganda "

Anyone know why CNN was singled out?

          - D. M.

I don't know why my quote was cut off and now
I can't find it to find the rest of the sentence.
But you get the idea.

               - D. M.

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6:09 p.m.   " An entire division of the Iraqi army, numbering
 8,000 soldiers, surrendered to coalition forces in 
southern Iraq Friday, Pentagon sources said."

Yeah.  I have been in hopes of surrenders and
peaceful conclusions and no bloodshed necessary.

                  - D. M.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
> >Anyone know why CNN was singled out?
>
> It may just be that they were the last US network there.

CBS is still there -- but actually I don't think it's really CBS itself
-- it's via British SkySomething.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Yeah.  I have been in hopes of surrenders and
> peaceful conclusions and no bloodshed necessary.

No bloodshed necessary?  Your hope for that one is too late.

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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

>Hi, I am home. Am OK, but stressed out. More later.

Glad you're safely home, alyce - please tell us about your day. Later.

Bethany

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Doris quotes,

>6:09 p.m.   " An entire division of the Iraqi army, numbering 8,000
>soldiers, surrendered to coalition forces in southern Iraq Friday,
>Pentagon sources said."

I wonder if this was the 51st division: "The commander of Iraq's 51st
division and his top deputy surrendered..."; "American officials said that
many of the soldiers of the 51st had simply left their posts and that the
division melted away."

Note however, "The most loyal and capable forces, however, are the
Republican Guards, who still seem determined to fight."

<http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/21/international/worldspecial/21CND-SURR.html>

Pete

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> Doris quotes,
>
> >6:09 p.m.   " An entire division of the Iraqi army, numbering 8,000
> >soldiers, surrendered to coalition forces in southern Iraq Friday,
> >Pentagon sources said."
>
> I wonder if this was the 51st division: "The commander of Iraq's 51st
> division and his top deputy surrendered..."; "American officials said
that
> many of the soldiers of the 51st had simply left their posts and that
the
> division melted away."
>
> Note however, "The most loyal and capable forces, however, are the
> Republican Guards, who still seem determined to fight."
>
>
<http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/21/international/worldspecial/21CND-SURR
.html>
>
> Pete


I heard also that many soldiers around the country
had just put down their guns, changed their clothes,
and decided they were no longer soldiers.  There
will be no statistics on these guys.  One assumes
they will just melt back into the populace . . . and
I can't say that I blame them.

The Republican Guards a tougher bunch.  No doubt.
But if their leaders are compromised or out of touch
there may be confusion.

                - D. M.

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02003-03-21 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> Note however, "The most loyal and capable forces, however, are the
> Republican Guards, who still seem determined to fight."
>
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/21/international/worldspecial/21CND-SURR.html>

How tough is the Republican Guard? From what I read some time
ago, Schwarzkopf had pretty grim words to say.

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Rashmi:
>> Does this sound right? Lilla or William Wild should be
>> able to set us straight on this.

I asked at dinner tonight.  Lillia says she is just learning that (6th
grade) and said a democracy has a single leader.  That's all she had to say
on the subject.  I think there is still a ways to go on this one.

Terry

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At 05:30 PM 3/21/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Hi, I am home. Am OK, but stressed out. More later.
>
>alyce

Thanks for checking in!!  We've been thinking about you.

Betty

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02003-03-21 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> Anyone know why CNN was singled out?

It's "international".

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On Friday, March 21, 2003 at 1:33, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Republic = not a monarchy. France, USA are republics.
> Britain, Australia, Kuwait are monarchies.
>
> Democracy is representational government. France,
> US, Britain, Australia are all democracies. Our great
> ally Saudi Arabia is not.
>
> Does this sound right? Lilla or William Wild should be
> able to set us straight on this.

Sounds about right to me, though obviously "democracy" means simply
rule by the people, without specifying the details.

Other terms I've heard often are "constitutional monarchy" and
"representative democracy". The former meaning that the monarch is
constrained by a constitution (not necessarily written), and in
practical terms is entirely or mostly a figurehead; the latter that
the voters elect representatives to a legislature, parliament, etc.
and don't (or rarely) vote directly on issues.

Tony H.

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> 02003-03-21 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > Anyone know why CNN was singled out?
>
> It's "international".

Makes sense.

    - D. M.

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CBS has a webcam in Baghdad with sound.  You can hear the noise of
insects buzzing.  It's here (at something like Live Webcast):

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/home/main100.shtml

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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I sent an e-mail about 5:15 saying that I was home, but never saw it
come through. Details later. Am tired and stressed out so will send
details another time.

alyce

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> I sent an e-mail about 5:15 saying that I was home, but never saw it
> come through. Details later. Am tired and stressed out so will send
> details another time.
>
> alyce

Your message did come through, Alyce.
I have been thinking of you.  I know it's
been a hard day.  It hope it brings good
news.

            - D. M.

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How can people stand to watch this war stuff on tv?  I watched the 5:30
news and can't shake the images from my head, especially the one of that
man shaking his fist and saying, "Thank you, Mr. Bush, for taking my
only son."  Reading about death and destruction is hard enough.  I don't
want to see the parents of dead soldiers on a tv screen.

Do the rest of you feel depressed beyond words?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>Do the rest of you feel depressed beyond words?
>-- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

No, I don't.   I'm not watching TV news.   Basketball is about the only
thing on our TV.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Do the rest of you feel depressed beyond words?
> >-- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> No, I don't.   I'm not watching TV news.   Basketball is about the only
> thing on our TV.

I didn't mean that it's just the watching of tv that depressed me.  I
was depressed before doing that.  But seeing that man's face didn't
help.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> alyce cresap wrote:
> >
> > Hi, I am home. Am OK, but stressed out. More later.
>
> WELCOME HOME!
>
> --

YaY Alyce!
clo

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At 07:08 PM 3/21/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>How can people stand to watch this war stuff on tv?  I watched the 5:30
>news and can't shake the images from my head, especially the one of that
>man shaking his fist and saying, "Thank you, Mr. Bush, for taking my
>only son."  Reading about death and destruction is hard enough.  I don't
>want to see the parents of dead soldiers on a tv screen.
>
>Do the rest of you feel depressed beyond words?

Yes.

Turn off the TV, Natalie.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> >Do the rest of you feel depressed beyond words?
>
> Yes.
>
> Turn off the TV, Natalie.

It's not on.  I had it on only long enough to watch Dan Rather at 5:30
-- and wasn't in the room all of the thirty minutes.  Now I'm going to
turn off the computer also and go to an English-Dept Symposium to hear
somebody read a paper about Jane Austen.  If there's a big enough crowd,
I might try to sneak out the back door when the reading starts (around
9:00) and come home.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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    Okay, I'm back from Mexico.  Did I miss anything?

JMW

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        I find the death and destruction extremely sad and
depressing.  I find it sad and depressing that these
soldiers we're supporting are murdering these people.

        I can't watch the TV.  There's something deeply immoral about
watching people die as entertainment.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> How can people stand to watch this war stuff on tv?  I watched the 5:30
> news and can't shake the images from my head, especially the one of that
> man shaking his fist and saying, "Thank you, Mr. Bush, for taking my
> only son."  Reading about death and destruction is hard enough.  I don't
> want to see the parents of dead soldiers on a tv screen.
>
> Do the rest of you feel depressed beyond words?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>

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In a message dated 3/21/2003 1:33:34 PM, Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:

<< How can I take seriously a philosopher whose surname is Pannekoeke? >>

FYI, it's either Pannekoek, or Pannekoeken. Depends on whether it's single or
plural, and it's Dutch :-} Theo

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At 06:21 PM 3/21/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
>     Okay, I'm back from Mexico.  Did I miss anything?
>
>JMW

Have you ever had a $11.00 martini?  I forgot what was in it.  We've been
discussing Alec a lot. The NCAA tournament and the war started.

Betty

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>     Okay, I'm back from Mexico.  Did I miss anything?
>
> JMW

  Not much.  Just the war.

     - D. M.

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02003-03-21 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> How can people stand to watch this war stuff on tv?

There are a few people on another group I am on who are
taking the YippeKIOK to new extremes--talking exclusively
about who has the wider screen TV to watch it on, and their
respective sound systems etc. One is a proven yammerer of
all cliches known on the topic, more often doing it for
the pleasure of annoying people than not. The other is
conflicted in a Bonnie kind of way, but much more, and
it's hard to say where his mind is headed anymore. Anyway,
this is good evidence that you shouldn't "watch the war".
Screw TV anyway. The five minutes I watched it for, I
heard the lamest lines imaginable from any TV persona
in recent history.

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Betty wrote:

> At 06:21 PM 3/21/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
>
>>     Okay, I'm back from Mexico.  Did I miss anything?
>>
>> JMW
>
>
> Have you ever had a $11.00 martini?  I forgot what was in it.  We've been
> discussing Alec a lot. The NCAA tournament and the war started.


        Not really Alec -- just his penis.

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In a message dated 3/21/2003 4:48:10 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Hi, I am home. Am OK, but stressed out. More later.

alyce
 >>

Welcome back. Hope the news is going to be all GOOD! Theo

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My outgoing mail is OK. However, something is wrong. I had 5,000+
messages in my inbox (350 from today). But then no more would come in. I
deleted about 1,000 of them, but still nothing would come in. So I
rebooted. Then I got in a little batch of messages, which let me know
that you got my "home" note. I read and deleted those. And now I have a
totally blank inbox, but it says I have 3,903 messages, with 2,097 of
them unread. Where are these messages? I rebooted, but they did not
reappear. THey have to be in here somewhere. Any clues? (Netscape) So, I
can get a few at a time in now, so I can read your advice, if any, but
the old ones are all gone. I may go to bed though, I am beat/beaten. And
my basement is flooding and the sump pump broke while we were eating
dinner and the plumber was just here at 9:00 and he is coming back in a
half hour to install a new one so that everything does not get wet.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/21/2003 1:33:34 PM, Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:
>
> << How can I take seriously a philosopher whose surname is Pannekoeke? >>
>
> FYI, it's either Pannekoek, or Pannekoeken. Depends on whether it's single or
> plural, and it's Dutch :-} Theo

How can you say that a man's name is either singular or plural? FYI, his
name is his name is his name...it has nothing to do with singular and
plural.

alyce
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In a message dated 3/21/2003 1:16:51 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<< > How old is the person writing this?

And what race? From the coasts or the middle? City or country?
 >>

What difference does THAT make? Pete is right, and that's all that counts.
Theo

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02003-03-21 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 3/21/2003 1:16:51 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> << > How old is the person writing this?
> And what race? From the coasts or the middle? City or country?
>  >>
>
> What difference does THAT make? Pete is right, and that's all that counts.

Now it seems you even need counting classes. Where did you go to
school, and what family taught you these shitty manners? Excuse
me all to pieces ... thank you very much indeed!

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> >
> > >Do the rest of you feel depressed beyond words?
> > >-- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

No.  My glass is not half empty, it is half full.

I don't like war, was not in favor of it.  But since
we are in it I plan to take a positive attitude.  I trust
that there is good afoot. . .that perhaps the war was
meant to lead to a better life for the people of Iraq,
and that good ripples may go out from there.
If a war was necessary for eventual peace (and
I said IF because I don't understand any more than
you do what is going on) then I do not want to stand
in the way of that.  I agree to allow the war to bring
things to a focus and a possible peaceful solution
and a new life for thousands of people.  Standing
in front of the bulldozer at this point would be
stupid. . . if the bulldozer is cutting new ground
for new lives.

Listen, Natalie, our servicemen are not  like the
ones of old who plundered and raped and took
over countries to exploit them.  They are following
orders of course, but they are volunteers, not
conscripts,  and they are the most intelligent, most
professional we have ever had.  They will be the first,
when they can, to shelter and love the people of Iraq.
I know these young men.  I think you have no idea.

               - D. M.

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I
> can get a few at a time in now, so I can read your advice, if any, but
> the old ones are all gone. I may go to bed though, I am beat/beaten.
And
> my basement is flooding and the sump pump broke while we were eating
> dinner and the plumber was just here at 9:00 and he is coming back in
a
> half hour to install a new one so that everything does not get wet.
>
> alyce

What's the saying?  It never rains but it pours?
So sorry.  Bad timing.  I hope they get it fixed.

                      - D. M.

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In a message dated 3/21/2003 7:13:17 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< How can you say that a man's name is either singular or plural? FYI, his
name is his name is his name...it has nothing to do with singular and
plural.

alyce
 >>

I am talking about the word, not his name. Theo

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
>
> I'd say Alyce is none the worse for the wear. That's a good sign.

YOu deserve a smiley. 8-}

alyce

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Well, this post will probably right your capsized mailbox ... but
the post is unfortunately about my realization that there are some
real assholes in Chicago. Incredible but true. I was at this jazz
festival some months ago--it was very much an old-people festival,
I mean the specific concert was in a huge room with paintings on
ceilings. Know what I'm saying. Old black guys wearing checked caps
turning to you to say that's a bad dude on the piano there ... "bad
dude", just like that. You know. Eccentric looking Jews in shirt-
sleeves. Anyway. The concert was great, but right at the kickoff
somebody in the audience whistled so freakin loud it drowned out
the trumpeter--whose name is David Young. He sort of lost interest
for quite some time after that. Now we fast-forward to the end of
the show, when a geeky kind of woman from New York stands up and
says she wants to get a Chicago branch going for this charity which
gets medical assistance for old jazz artists. So if interested people
could meet her after ... and this is when some asshole interrupts her
and gives her five bucks. He gave her $5. With the tone "now shut up".
It was a mortifying sight, and I believe that exact guy is also the
whistler. What an ass ...

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> 02003-03-21 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> > Well put, Doris. I agree. Yes, is is very sad to witness the grief
of a
> > parent who has lost an only son. It is also very beautiful to know
how
> > much love we can have for each other and how courageous we can be
when we
> > allow ourelves to be seen grieving. I love the full range of human
life
> > .... all of it, not just the <nice> parts.
>
> Wow, that's a remarkable display of ... I don't know what it is of
> except it's STUNNING ...

Tushar . . . back to the books.  Study for your test.

                        - D. M.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
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> I am talking about the word, not his name. Theo

Fine, but Tushar was speaking of a person, and you corrected him when
there was no error. Why?

alyce

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
>>I am talking about the word, not his name. Theo
>>
>
> Fine, but Tushar was speaking of a person, and you corrected him when
> there was no error. Why?


        What do you expect from a woman who spells "cuisine" with a
"q"?  She's practically illiterate.

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On 21 Mar 2003 at 21:39, alyce cresap wrote:

> Fine, but Tushar was speaking of a person, and you corrected him when
> there was no error. Why?

I'd say Alyce is none the worse for the wear. That's a good sign.


     mem

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02003-03-21 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> Well put, Doris. I agree. Yes, is is very sad to witness the grief of a
> parent who has lost an only son. It is also very beautiful to know how
> much love we can have for each other and how courageous we can be when we
> allow ourelves to be seen grieving. I love the full range of human life
> .... all of it, not just the <nice> parts.

Wow, that's a remarkable display of ... I don't know what it is of
except it's STUNNING ...

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> 02003-03-21 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> > Theodora Groothof wrote:
> > >
> > > I am talking about the word, not his name. Theo
> >
> > Fine, but Tushar was speaking of a person, and you corrected him when
> > there was no error. Why?
>
> Actually, it was Kr. who was speaking of the name, I believe.

I think that Kr's post may be in the 3,905 messages that I cannot
access.

The new pump is in, so I can go to bed.

alyce

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> > in front of the bulldozer at this point would be
> > stupid. . . if the bulldozer is cutting new ground
> > for new lives.
>
>
>         Has this *ever* worked?

Yes.  Hitler.
>
>
> > Listen, Natalie, our servicemen are not  like the
> > ones of old who plundered and raped and took
> > over countries to exploit them.  They are following
> > orders of course, but they are volunteers, not
> > conscripts,  and they are the most intelligent, most
> > professional we have ever had.  They will be the first,
> > when they can, to shelter and love the people of Iraq.
> > I know these young men.  I think you have no idea.
>
>
>         Doris, how could you be so naive?
>
>         Every time I see footage of the bombing, I see murder.  What
> do you see?

Do we have figures yet?  What we saw bombed today
was outlying facilities.  There may have been individual
deaths, of course, but I have not yet heard.  Bombs were not
dropped on the population but on buildings that
served as central points for the rape and pillage by
Sadaam of his own people.

            - D. M.

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02003-03-20 | Marie Ascher <lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> >Thursday, March 20, 2003, 9:32:43 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >> It's my job to stand where I can be seen and
> >> remind them that the world is more complicated than that.
> >
> >YaY for clo! Very nicely said, the whole thing, both posts,
> >brava!!!! I'm going to wallpaper my house with your posts.
>
>
> Careful, she may DIE as it appears my hops-laden lust object has

You-u, stupid girl!!!

I got hops-laden AFTER I got called lust-object. Puhlease. And
by the way, why are you in such a happy mood all of a sudden?
Huh, huh?

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02003-03-20 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Thursday, March 20, 2003, 10:50:30 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > I promise not to die until I become someone's hops-laden lust
> > object.
>
> Do you like beer well enough to become hops-laden?

Ignore these naysayers and have a beer.

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02003-03-21 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> Well have you started on the hops-laden part?  Perhaps you're looking for
> lust in all the wrong places.  Tushar can advise you on the beers if need
> be - do all the bartenders in the county know you yet?

Dr Borkin, that was like not very comedic at all! You-u, stupid girl!!!

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02003-03-21 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> I think that Kr's post may be in the 3,905 messages that I cannot
> access.

It was in some foreign language anyway.

> The new pump is in, so I can go to bed.

I read that as "pimp"

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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>> > >Do the rest of you feel depressed beyond words?
>> > >-- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>No.  My glass is not half empty, it is half full.

Well put, Doris. I agree. Yes, is is very sad to witness the grief of a
parent who has lost an only son. It is also very beautiful to know how
much love we can have for each other and how courageous we can be when we
allow ourelves to be seen grieving. I love the full range of human life
.... all of it, not just the <nice> parts.

Bethany

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02003-03-21 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Theodora Groothof wrote:
> >
> > I am talking about the word, not his name. Theo
>
> Fine, but Tushar was speaking of a person, and you corrected him when
> there was no error. Why?

Actually, it was Kr. who was speaking of the name, I believe.
As for correcting the absence of error...I have insufficient
education to understand why that may be done...HUGZ

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02003-03-21 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > Wow, that's a remarkable display of ... I don't know what it is of
> > except it's STUNNING ...
>
> Tushar . . . back to the books.  Study for your test.

Books and tests are SO anti-life. I prefer to look at the
half-full part of the glass.

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Doris Markland wrote:
> Do we have figures yet?  What we saw bombed today
> was outlying facilities.  There may have been individual
> deaths, of course, but I have not yet heard.  Bombs were not
> dropped on the population but on buildings that
> served as central points for the rape and pillage by
> Sadaam of his own people.
>
Advanced technology or not, I do not believe that the bombs were able to
fall onto those buildings and not hit a single person. Would the palaces
have been empty even of servants? Hard to believe.

alyce

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> On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >> > >Do the rest of you feel depressed beyond words?
> >> > >-- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >
> >No.  My glass is not half empty, it is half full.
>
> Well put, Doris. I agree. Yes, is is very sad to witness the grief of
a
> parent who has lost an only son. It is also very beautiful to know how
> much love we can have for each other and how courageous we can be when
we
> allow ourelves to be seen grieving. I love the full range of human
life
> .... all of it, not just the <nice> parts.
>
> Bethany

Thank you, Bethany, for about the only
backing I have felt on this list.  Not that
it matters, as we all have our opinions.

                 - D. M.

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Friday, March 21, 2003, 9:09:30 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Doris Markland wrote:
>> Do we have figures yet?  What we saw bombed today
>> was outlying facilities.  There may have been individual
>> deaths, of course, but I have not yet heard.  Bombs were not
>> dropped on the population but on buildings that
>> served as central points for the rape and pillage by
>> Sadaam of his own people.
>>
> Advanced technology or not, I do not believe that the bombs were able to
> fall onto those buildings and not hit a single person. Would the palaces
> have been empty even of servants? Hard to believe.

I wonder where Doris got her rose-colored glasses.

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Doris Markland wrote:


> I don't like war, was not in favor of it.  But since
> we are in it I plan to take a positive attitude.  I trust
> that there is good afoot. . .that perhaps the war was
> meant to lead to a better life for the people of Iraq,
> and that good ripples may go out from there.
> If a war was necessary for eventual peace (and
> I said IF because I don't understand any more than
> you do what is going on) then I do not want to stand
> in the way of that.  I agree to allow the war to bring
> things to a focus and a possible peaceful solution
> and a new life for thousands of people.  Standing
> in front of the bulldozer at this point would be
> stupid. . . if the bulldozer is cutting new ground
> for new lives.


        Has this *ever* worked?


> Listen, Natalie, our servicemen are not  like the
> ones of old who plundered and raped and took
> over countries to exploit them.  They are following
> orders of course, but they are volunteers, not
> conscripts,  and they are the most intelligent, most
> professional we have ever had.  They will be the first,
> when they can, to shelter and love the people of Iraq.
> I know these young men.  I think you have no idea.


        Doris, how could you be so naive?

        Every time I see footage of the bombing, I see murder.  What
do you see?

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Friday, March 21, 2003, 3:08:29 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Karen Kay writes,
>>That Rumsfeld is having a good time?

> I haven't followed today's events but he has every right to be
> pleased by the way things are going so far. This is turning
> out into one heck of a lopsided conflict.

I guess. But his unholy glee is, well, unholy. Distressing for me
to watch.

I heard that he was castigating the army for being too cautious.
Uh, yeah. You first, Don.

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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>Wow, that's a remarkable display of ... I don't know what it is of
>except it's STUNNING ...

Tushar, have I told you lately that you have great adjectives?

Bethany

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Friday, March 21, 2003, 8:55:05 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> The new pump is in, so I can go to bed.

Good night.
Sleep tight.
Don't let the bed bugs bite.

I'm glad you're back, Alyce.

Karen

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Friday, March 21, 2003, 2:30:39 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Must I think that funny names make people to become philosophers?

> How can I take seriously a philosopher whose surname is Pannekoeke? He
> is quoted quite often. Another one is Pelikan, often quoted, too. And
> now I have an article to proofread a co-author of which is Beat
> Sitter-Liver, professor of practical philosophy at Freiburg University.

The only Pelikan I know is Jaroslav Pelikan, a historian at Yale.

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02003-03-21 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >Wow, that's a remarkable display of ... I don't know what it is of
> >except it's STUNNING ...
>
> Tushar, have I told you lately that you have great adjectives?

I didn't know I had them. But your vision of love and humanity
in images of murder pulled them out of me.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> I heard that he was castigating the army for being too cautious.
> Uh, yeah. You first, Don.

Oh,no, I don't think that Don will serve. I believe that Don, like
George, Dick, and a few others in their merry band, was otherwise busy
when he was of the proper age to serve.

alyce

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Friday, March 21, 2003, 9:27:04 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> I believe I mentioned it already--living in a community-sized
> domestic tyranny. I was in one for a while--those things are,
> like, rose-gardens of glasses.
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Nice phrase, mon amour!

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02003-03-21 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>
> I wonder where Doris got her rose-colored glasses.

I believe I mentioned it already--living in a community-sized
domestic tyranny. I was in one for a while--those things are,
like, rose-gardens of glasses.

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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-21 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> > On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > >Wow, that's a remarkable display of ... I don't know what it is of
> > >except it's STUNNING ...
> >
> > Tushar, have I told you lately that you have great adjectives?
>
> I didn't know I had them. But your vision of love and humanity
> in images of murder pulled them out of me.

I likewise expelled something unexpected.
clo

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> D.M:
>
> >Thank you, Bethany, for about the only
> >backing I have felt on this list.  Not that
> >it matters, as we all have our opinions.
>
> Calling 60-yr old farts "kid" is demeaning and condescending.
> Sorry I can't back you on that.
>
> -rashmi

Not meant to be demeaning and
condescending in any fashion.
You will see how this is humor
when you are my age.  There is
little to laugh at but self and the
fact that everyone else is young.

           - D. M.

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>D.M:
>
>>Thank you, Bethany, for about the only
>>backing I have felt on this list.  Not that
>>it matters, as we all have our opinions.
>
>Calling 60-yr old farts "kid" is demeaning and condescending.
>Sorry I can't back you on that.

Huh?

Bethany

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> Calling 60-yr old farts "kid" is demeaning and condescending.
> Sorry I can't back you on that.

WHO called 60 year old farts 'kid'?

This sounds possibly disgusting, or also possibly STUNNING.

Ann

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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-22 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > D.M:
> >
> > >Thank you, Bethany, for about the only
> > >backing I have felt on this list.  Not that
> > >it matters, as we all have our opinions.
> >
> > Calling 60-yr old farts "kid" is demeaning and condescending.
> > Sorry I can't back you on that.
>
> "Oh well, that can't ruffle my serene complacency ... have
> a good night's sleep, I think you probably don't know how
> to manage your time."
>

OK, who set up the microphone in my house? This is too uncanny.
First, "love it or leave it" - where do people say it anymore? In my
bedroom, apparently!

And now this! Rashmi, love, you are channeling my stbex!
clo

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02003-03-21 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Friday, March 21, 2003, 9:27:04 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > like, rose-gardens of glasses.
>
> Nice phrase, mon amour!

The phrase sucks in my opinion--but I will not contradict you.

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02003-03-22 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> D.M:
>
> >Thank you, Bethany, for about the only
> >backing I have felt on this list.  Not that
> >it matters, as we all have our opinions.
>
> Calling 60-yr old farts "kid" is demeaning and condescending.
> Sorry I can't back you on that.

"Oh well, that can't ruffle my serene complacency ... have
a good night's sleep, I think you probably don't know how
to manage your time."

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Friday, March 21, 2003, 9:17:03 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I heard that he was castigating the army for being too cautious.
>> Uh, yeah. You first, Don.

> Oh,no, I don't think that Don will serve. I believe that Don, like
> George, Dick, and a few others in their merry band, was otherwise busy
> when he was of the proper age to serve.

Absolutely--but he enjoys architecting wars. And therefore, I do
not trust him.

I had a good day today. I was in a meeting when you were being
poked and prodded, but after that I went and spun some more wool
and learned how to make knitting needles. And then we went to the
crack house--I mean, Hill Country Weavers, home of beautiful
fibers and fabulous buttons.

Karen

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D.M:

>Thank you, Bethany, for about the only
>backing I have felt on this list.  Not that
>it matters, as we all have our opinions.

Calling 60-yr old farts "kid" is demeaning and condescending.
Sorry I can't back you on that.

-rashmi


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Friday, March 21, 2003, 9:24:44 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>>Thank you, Bethany, for about the only
>>backing I have felt on this list.  Not that
>>it matters, as we all have our opinions.

> Calling 60-yr old farts "kid" is demeaning and condescending.
> Sorry I can't back you on that.

Go, Rashmi!

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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-20 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > Thursday, March 20, 2003, 10:50:30 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > > I promise not to die until I become someone's hops-laden lust
> > > object.
> >
> > Do you like beer well enough to become hops-laden?
>
> Ignore these naysayers and have a beer.
>

Thanks, I did.
clo

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Friday, March 21, 2003, 9:31:10 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>> I didn't know I had them. But your vision of love and humanity
>> in images of murder pulled them out of me.

> I likewise expelled something unexpected.

I hope it didn't hurt!:)

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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> I had a good day today. I was in a meeting when you were being
> poked and prodded, but after that I went and spun some more wool
> and learned how to make knitting needles. And then we went to the
> crack house--I mean, Hill Country Weavers, home of beautiful
> fibers and fabulous buttons.
>

Ooh, ahh, take me, take me!

In Freeport ME, there is a button outlet store. I took my kids there one
day and we <sorted> barrels of buttons, choosing the most fun ones - spent
the entire afternoon and bought a biiig bag.

But the next time we went, there was a big sign that said "no button
barrel sorting - you must scoop out a random sample and take what you
get", or words to that effect. I had the impression it was a case of
direct cause and effect - they seemed to remember me.

clo

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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-21 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> > On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > >Wow, that's a remarkable display of ... I don't know what it is of
> > >except it's STUNNING ...
> >
> > Tushar, have I told you lately that you have great adjectives?
>
> I didn't know I had them. But your vision of love and humanity
> in images of murder pulled them out of me.

- WHEW -

Ann

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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>I didn't know I had them. But your vision of love and humanity
>in images of murder pulled them out of me.

You may want to check your dictionary for a definition of <murder>. Your
adjectives are great, but your nouns need work.

Bethany

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On 21 Mar 2003 at 22:17, alyce cresap wrote:

> Oh,no, I don't think that Don will serve. I believe that Don, like
> George, Dick, and a few others in their merry band, was otherwise busy
> when he was of the proper age to serve.

I'm no admirer of Rumsfeld, but, in fact, he served in the Navy as
an aviator and flight instructor from 1954 to 1957, then continued
in the reserves until he retired as a captain in 1989 (according to
his DoD biography).

    mem

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> Doris Markland wrote:
> > Do we have figures yet?  What we saw bombed today
> > was outlying facilities.  There may have been individual
> > deaths, of course, but I have not yet heard.  Bombs were not
> > dropped on the population but on buildings that
> > served as central points for the rape and pillage by
> > Sadaam of his own people.
> >
> Advanced technology or not, I do not believe that the bombs were able
to
> fall onto those buildings and not hit a single person. Would the
palaces
> have been empty even of servants? Hard to believe.
>
> alyce
>
No one has expected that.  It was said from
the start there would be loss of life.  On both
sides.  That's war.

                      - D. M.

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Friday, March 21, 2003, 9:34:18 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> Ooh, ahh, take me, take me!

Well, that's the most interesting offer I've had today. I didn't
realize you were <that way>.:)

> In Freeport ME, there is a button outlet store. I took my kids there one
> day and we <sorted> barrels of buttons, choosing the most fun ones - spent
> the entire afternoon and bought a biiig bag.

> But the next time we went, there was a big sign that said "no button
> barrel sorting - you must scoop out a random sample and take what you
> get", or words to that effect. I had the impression it was a case of
> direct cause and effect - they seemed to remember me.

LOL. This is not that kind of place. The buttons are pre-sorted
and really marvelous. I really like some purple wavy ceramic
ones. But they had the silver ones for Norwegian sweaters (hi,
Espen!) and wooden ones and cute little sheep ones and, oh, ALL
KINDS!!!! Gorgeous silk scarves for $110.

They will laugh if I take you there--IT IS LIKE CRACK!!! I want
to get my friends high!!!!

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Friday, March 21, 2003, 9:46:38 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> Calling 60-yr old farts "kid" is demeaning and condescending.
>> Sorry I can't back you on that.

> WHO called 60 year old farts 'kid'?

> This sounds possibly disgusting, or also possibly STUNNING.

Doris called someone born in 1943 a kid. I think it's STUNNING.

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> > Advanced technology or not, I do not believe that the bombs were
able to
> > fall onto those buildings and not hit a single person. Would the
palaces
> > have been empty even of servants? Hard to believe.
>
> I wonder where Doris got her rose-colored glasses.

I was born with them.  But read on.
I don't believe there were no casualties,
if that's what you mean.

         - D. M.

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Friday, March 21, 2003, 9:43:42 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> I'm no admirer of Rumsfeld, but, in fact, he served in the Navy as
> an aviator and flight instructor from 1954 to 1957, then continued
> in the reserves until he retired as a captain in 1989 (according to
> his DoD biography).

Thank you. That makes me feel a little better. I still find his
glee disgusting, but more... reasonable.

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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Friday, March 21, 2003, 9:46:38 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >> Calling 60-yr old farts "kid" is demeaning and condescending.
> >> Sorry I can't back you on that.
>
> > WHO called 60 year old farts 'kid'?
>
> > This sounds possibly disgusting, or also possibly STUNNING.
>
> Doris called someone born in 1943 a kid. I think it's STUNNING.
>

Yes, and what's more, it was my honey Wallace Shawn, the only celebrity I
would EVER EVER consent to date!
I would have said something before, but I was STUNNED!
clo

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> 02003-03-21 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >
> > I wonder where Doris got her rose-colored glasses.
>
> I believe I mentioned it already--living in a community-sized
> domestic tyranny. I was in one for a while--those things are,
> like, rose-gardens of glasses.

What is a community-sized domestic tyranny?

                 - D. M.

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John Williams wrote:
>
>     Okay, I'm back from Mexico.  Did I miss anything?

Whew!  We thought you were in Iraq.  What you have missed:  Alyce's
seriously traumatic day, war insanity, Alec's penis.  I think that's
about it.

I'm back from the symposium, turned on tv to see what was happening in
the basketball game, saw that it was one more bit of suckiness, and am
now up past my bedtime online.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I can't watch the TV.  There's something deeply immoral about
> watching people die as entertainment.

I think it was only the past day or so that Wordslers started talking
about war as a spectator sport, but I've been talking about it to ftf
people for a good while now.  I really do believe that there are people
out there *enjoying* the war coverage -- cheering on <our team> as it
wreaks havoc.

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> My outgoing mail is OK. However, something is wrong. I had 5,000+
> messages in my inbox (350 from today). But then no more would come in. I
> deleted about 1,000 of them, but still nothing would come in. So I
> rebooted. Then I got in a little batch of messages, which let me know
> that you got my "home" note. I read and deleted those. And now I have a
> totally blank inbox, but it says I have 3,903 messages, with 2,097 of
> them unread. Where are these messages?

I wish I knew the answer.  I would think that mail quotas would have to
do with an ISP, not with your mail-reader.

> my basement is flooding and the sump pump broke while we were eating
> dinner and the plumber was just here at 9:00 and he is coming back in a
> half hour to install a new one so that everything does not get wet.

Crappola.  I think my day has been shitty, but I definitely defer to
yours as shittier.

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Doris Markland wrote:
> > > >Do the rest of you feel depressed beyond words?
> > > >-- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> No.  My glass is not half empty, it is half full.

So you enjoy watching death and destruction?  I don't see that as really
a matter of half-full or half-empty glasses.

> I don't like war, was not in favor of it.  But since
> we are in it I plan to take a positive attitude.

A positive attitude toward death and destruction?  See above.

> If a war was necessary for eventual peace (and
> I said IF because I don't understand any more than
> you do what is going on) then I do not want to stand
> in the way of that.

War for peace.  Uh huh.

> Listen, Natalie, our servicemen are not  like the
> ones of old who plundered and raped and took
> over countries to exploit them.  They are following
> orders of course, but they are volunteers, not
> conscripts,  and they are the most intelligent, most
> professional we have ever had.  They will be the first,
> when they can, to shelter and love the people of Iraq.
> I know these young men.  I think you have no idea.

I know for sure that you have no idea whatsoever of what my pov on this
is.  Have I said anything about servicemen plundering or raping and
exploiting????  Have I said anything to suggest that our volunteer army
is not intelligent or professional????  I really, really don't
understand why you can't GET IT that I have said NOTHING WHATSOEVER
negative about our troops.  Plunder?  Rape?  Lack of intelligence?  Lack
of professionalism?  Cites please for where I have even remotely
suggested such things.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Doris, how could you be so naive?
>
>         Every time I see footage of the bombing, I see murder.  What
> do you see?

A basketball game.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Oh,no, I don't think that Don will serve. I believe that Don, like
> George, Dick, and a few others in their merry band, was otherwise busy
> when he was of the proper age to serve.

Rumsfeld?  I thought he had been in the military.  Not true?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Friday, March 21, 2003, 1:49:59 PM, steph wrote:
> I do think, though, that you ought to nail down as well as you
> can your right to stay.  You are not going to be a happy camper if
> they decide to boot you for one reason or another (or no reason
> at all).

Yeah, Tushar, I write INS about you every week, but they never
listen to me!

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>
> I know for sure that you have no idea whatsoever of what my pov on
this
> is.  Have I said anything about servicemen plundering or raping and
> exploiting????  Have I said anything to suggest that our volunteer
army
> is not intelligent or professional????  I really, really don't
> understand why you can't GET IT that I have said NOTHING WHATSOEVER
> negative about our troops.  Plunder?  Rape?  Lack of intelligence?
Lack
> of professionalism?  Cites please for where I have even remotely
> suggested such things.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

No you never said anything like that and I
did not mean my remarks for you personally.
I'm sorry if it came across that way.  I was
seeing this war not as murder and mayhem
but as a liberating thing.  I am sorry I chose
poor examples to try to express that.

            - D. M.

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Friday, March 21, 2003, 10:59:35 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> No you never said anything like that and I
> did not mean my remarks for you personally.
> I'm sorry if it came across that way.  I was
> seeing this war not as murder and mayhem
> but as a liberating thing.  I am sorry I chose
> poor examples to try to express that.

You can choose to focus on whatever part of this fucking war you
want to, Doris, but the fact is that war *is* murder and mayhem.

Karen

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > Advanced technology or not, I do not believe that the bombs were able
> to
> > fall onto those buildings and not hit a single person. Would the
> palaces
> > have been empty even of servants? Hard to believe.
> >
> > alyce
> >
> No one has expected that.  It was said from
> the start there would be loss of life.  On both
> sides.  That's war.

Trahlahtrahla.  What are a few lost lives here and there?  There will of
course be more on the other side because a military giant has chosen to
attack a very weak opponent (since that opponent is a threat to the
giant, for reasons I haven't quite fathomed yet).  I wonder whether
Doris's cavalier attitude toward loss of life would be the same if the
strengths of the countries were reversed.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Doris called someone born in 1943 a kid. I think it's STUNNING.

I think she's right.  Someone born in 1943 is indeed young. :-)

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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> Yes, and what's more, it was my honey Wallace Shawn, the only celebrity I
> would EVER EVER consent to date!

Wow.  Even that French guy in UNFAITHFUL, you wouldn't consent to date
-him-?

Ann

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Friday, March 21, 2003, 10:37:46 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

>> Yes, and what's more, it was my honey Wallace Shawn, the only celebrity I
>> would EVER EVER consent to date!

> Wow.  Even that French guy in UNFAITHFUL, you wouldn't consent to date
> -him-?

Olivier Martinez. YUM!

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>    Okay, I'm back from Mexico.  Did I miss anything?
>
>JMW

Numerous opportunities to pontificate and/or blow your stack.  (You might
want to check with your physician regarding your blood pressure before you
resub. :-) )

Beinvenidos a su casa!

Ken Miller
Bernard Chien Perro Memorial Institute for Words-L Studies

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>Listen, Natalie, our servicemen are not  like the
>ones of old who plundered and raped and took
>over countries to exploit them.  They are following
>orders of course, but they are volunteers, not
>conscripts,  and they are the most intelligent, most
>professional we have ever had.  They will be the first,
>when they can, to shelter and love the people of Iraq.
>I know these young men.  I think you have no idea.
>
>               - D. M.

They are soldiers.  Their Commander-in-Chief has ordered them to take a
certain objective, and in order to do that they will almost certainly have
to kill or be killed.

As the brother of a retired soldier myself (and he is the kind of man I
want to be when I grow up), I have no doubt that these soldiers will kill
as few as they can, and as much as is compatible with their orders they
will not harm civilians.

That's not the issue.  The issue is that once a military action was decided
upon, these men and women have no choice but to kill and destroy.  It's
what they do; it's their profession; while I don't believe that there is
*necessarily* anything morally wrong with that profession -- self-defense
is a primal right -- it would be morally spineless to pretend that killing
and destruction are not an inevitable part of any military action.

The issue is not the soldiers.  The issue is the decisions that were made
by their Commander-in-Chief.  From what I can gather, there are many of my
fellow citizens who don't understand that it is possible to criticize the
latter without criticizing the former.  I myself haven't yet found a way to
understand people who think that way.

Ken Miller

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Thank you. That makes me feel a little better. I still find his
> glee disgusting, but more... reasonable.

I find any glee related to war disgusting -- especially this war since I
don't know why we're fighting it and since it has been obvious since it
was first thought of that we, the military giant, would stomp the
military midget to smithereens handily.  Cheering about it is obscene,
imho.

NOTE TO DORIS:  TROOPS FOLLOW ORDERS AND ACT PROFESSIONALLY.  WHEN THEY
JOIN THE MILITARY, THEY COMMIT THEMSELVES TO FIGHTING.  I DO NOT BELIEVE
THAT OUR TROOPS ARE OVER THERE RAPING AND PILLAGING.

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>
> You can choose to focus on whatever part of this fucking war you
> want to, Doris, but the fact is that war *is* murder and mayhem.
>
> Karen

Yes.

I wish you had all been around to
protest in 1941.

Or do I?

              - D. M.

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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > Yes, and what's more, it was my honey Wallace Shawn, the only celebrity I
> > would EVER EVER consent to date!
>
> Wow.  Even that French guy in UNFAITHFUL, you wouldn't consent to date
> -him-?
>
> Ann
>
Never seen him. It's My Dinner With Andre that tipped me off to Wallace's
brilliance as a dinner companion. Watching him munch and nod disarmingly
as Andre waxed eloquent about running naked in the woods of Eastern Europe
awoke an urge to likewise sit across from a companion who knew how to
listen intently to a shaggy dog story.

Although I will never drink from a goblet with him, after seeing him as
Fezzini in the Princess Bride.

What is the quote?
" You fell victim to one of the classic blunders.  The most famous is
never get involved in a land war in Asia; and only slightly less well
known is this: Never go in against a Sicilian, when death is on the line!"
<http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/6665/script.htm#4>

*sigh* Inconceivable!
clo

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I wish you had all been around to
> protest in 1941.
>
> Or do I?

What exactly would we have been protesting in '41?

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Friday, March 21, 2003, 11:01:44 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Friday, March 21, 2003, 10:37:46 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> > On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>>
>> >> Yes, and what's more, it was my honey Wallace Shawn, the only celebrity I
>> >> would EVER EVER consent to date!
>>
>> > Wow.  Even that French guy in UNFAITHFUL, you wouldn't consent to date
>> > -him-?
>>
>> Olivier Martinez. YUM!
>>

> After searching imdb.com -

> Oh no. Not my type at all, besides being younger than my youngest
> sibling, which is a line I never cross!

I don't care how old he is. I can't believe he's not your
type--he was very endearing in "Unfaithful".

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<blockquote>&nbsp;
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<center><b><font color="#FFCC00"><font size=+4>Prague Festival Dance Prize
2003</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+3>from 17th to 21st April 2003
in Prague (Czech Republic)</font></font></b></center>
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<center><b><font color="#FFFFFF"><font size=+3>&amp;</font></font></b></center>
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<center><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+4>Dance Grand Prix "Italia"
2003</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+3>which will be heldeld in Italy
from 19th to 24th June 2003</font></font></b></center>
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<center>
<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>the WARM UP TIME!!</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+2>the upcoming <i>W</i>ORL<i>D</i>ANC<i>E</i>VENT<i>S</i></font><font size=+1>...
</font><font size=+2>like
no other</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+3>IS ARRIVING!</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+3>ARE YOU READY FOR THIS??</font></font></b>
<p><b><font size=+3>International Event CompetitionforBallet, Contemporary,
Modern,</font></b>
<br><b><font size=+3>Hip Hop, Latin, Swing, Folk, Tap,</font></b>
<br><b><font size=+3>Schools, Companies and Dance-Theatrical Educational
Institutes.</font></b>
<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+3>AWAITING the SPRINGTIME for the
UPCOMING</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><i><font size=+4>E</font></i><font size=+3>ASTER
and </font><i><font size=+4>S</font></i><font size=+3>UMMER </font><i><font size=+4>D</font></i><font size=+3>ANC</font><i><font size=+4>E</font></i><font size=+3>VENT</font><i><font size=+4>S</font></i><font size=+3>!!!!!!!</font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+3>You can book the LAST places
for your dancegroup to participate!!</font></font></b>
<br>&nbsp;
<p><b><u><font color="#000000"><font size=+4>Follow our instructions to
contact us by fax</font></font></u></b>
<br><b><font size=+4><u><font color="#000000">or search our web address
with all info and e.mails on the most important Search Engine under "</font></u><font color="#3366FF">dancefestival</font><u><font color="#000000">"
or "</font></u><font color="#FF6600">praguefestival</font><u><font color="#000000">"</font></u></font></b>
<br><b><u><font color="#000000"><font size=+4>and you will find our e.mail
address</font></font></u></b>
<p><b><font size=+4>AND FAX YOUR REQUEST of info to</font></b>
<br><b><font size=+4>&lt;0039054751299></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>E-MAIL info &lt;tiberiomeneghelli@supereva.it></font></font></b>
<br>&nbsp;
<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>DANCERS, CHOREOGRAPHERS, DANCESTUDENTS,
DANCELOVERS:</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>PREPARE YOURSELF TO ENTER IN
THE</font></font></b>
<br><b><i><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>D</font></font><font size=+3>ANCEFESTIVAL</font><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>S</font></font><font size=+3>EASON</font><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>2</font></font><font size=+3>00</font><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>3</font></font><font size=+3>,</font></i></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>THE MOST FAMOUS DANCE THEATRE</font></font></b>
<br><b><i><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>"H</font></font><font size=+3>ALL
OF </font><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>F</font></font><font size=+3>AME
</font><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>A</font></font><font color="#000000"><font size=+3>WARD</font></font><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>S"</font></font></i><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>IN
THE </font><i><font size=+4>W</font></i></font><font size=+2><i><font color="#000000">ORLD</font></i><font color="#FF0000">:</font></font></b></center>

<p><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>1998 - "Centro Studio Danza e
Movimento"</font><font size=+3> FLORENCE - ITALY</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>1999 - "Il Balletto" CastelFranco
Veneto </font><font size=+3>VENICE - ITALY</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>2000 - "Academy for Performing
Arts" </font><font size=+3>HONG KONG - CHINA</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>2001 - "Uai Qi Dan&ccedil;a"
</font><font size=+3>FORTALEZA
- BRAZIL</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
- "Ballet Folklorico Mexicano" </font><font size=+3>CANCUN - MEXICO</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>2002 - "Elta Dance Company"
</font><font size=+3>LIPSEKT
- RUSSIA</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
-&nbsp; "Skip Entertainment"</font><font size=+3> GUAM - USA</font></font></b>
<center><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>2003.... MAYBE</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>YOUR DANCEGROUP!!!!!!</font></font></b>
<br>&nbsp;
<p><b><font size=+2>The deadline to register your group for this incredible
opportunity is the 30 March!!!</font></b>
<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+1>A meeting of dancers, dancelovers,
amateurs and audience&nbsp; from all the five continents</font></font></b>
<p><b><font size=+2>All the subject of Therpsichore Art will be in competition</font></b>
<p><b><font size=+2>All the languages in the dressing-rooms of our stages</font></b>
<br>
<hr WIDTH="100%">
<p><b><font size=+2>A special DANCE OPPORTUNITY in PRAGUE during the Festival:</font></b>
<br><b><i><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+2>the The Ballet Company of
the National Theatre of Prague,</font></font></i></b>
<br><b><i><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+2>will present the 19April,
in the the National Theatre of Prague,</font></font></i></b>
<br><b><i><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+2>the Ballet "SWAN LAKE" choregraphy
by M. Petipa.</font></font></i></b>
<br><b><i><font color="#000000"><font size=+2>&nbsp;(free on charges for
every dance participant to the&nbsp; Prague Festival 2003)</font></font></i></b><b><i><font color="#000000"><font size=+2></font></font></i></b>
<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>And during the&nbsp; PRAGUE FESTIVAL
2003:</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>THE SPECIAL AWARD CAREER</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>TO</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>one of the&nbsp; "DANCE CONTEMPORARY
US. STAR":</font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#999900"><font size=+3>Mrs. MONIQUE MELTON</font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#999900"><font size=+3>STAR of the AMERICAN BALLET</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#999900"><font size=+3>&amp;</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#999900"><font size=+3>DIRECTOR of METROPOLITAN BALLET
COMPANY</font></font></b>
<br>
<hr WIDTH="100%"></center>

<blockquote>
<center><b><font size=+2>These are&nbsp; the&nbsp; "</font><i><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+3>W</font></font></i><font size=+2>ORL</font><i><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+3>D</font></font></i><font size=+2>ANC</font><i><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+3>E</font></font></i><font size=+2>VENT</font><i><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+3>S</font></font></i><font size=+2>"</font></b>
<br><b><font size=+2>FESTIVAL COMPETITIONS !</font></b>
<br><b><font size=+2>Our Organizzation has over 10 years of group and educational
events experience.</font></b>
<br><b><font size=+2>Do not risk the success of your performing groups
with other Companies without our theatrical experience!</font></b>
<p><b><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+4>Ask &amp; compare!</font></font></b>
<p>
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<center><b><font color="#CC0000"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
If you require any kind of information about our organization I can provide
you with the e-mail and post address of many&nbsp; previous participants
from all over the world</font></font></b></center>

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<br><b><font color="#000000"><font size=+2>The Best Things Happen While
You're Dancing</font></font></b></center>

<hr WIDTH="100%"></blockquote>
<b><i><font size=+2>your group will dance and compete in a spirit of friendly
in the biggest meeting of WorlDance in europe the next seasons and</font></i></b>
<p><font size=+4><b><i>G</i><font color="#FF0000">o</font></b><i>o<b><font color="#3333FF">D</font></b></i>a<b><i><font color="#FF0000">n</font></i></b>c<b><i><font color="#3333FF">E</font></i></b></font>
<p><b><i><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+3>SEE YOU IN&nbsp; our dance
floors......</font></font></i></b>
<center>
<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+3>...where everyone is in the Spotlight!</font></font></b></center>

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don't hesitate to ask us the advertising materials and we will send to
you the free on charges info pachage with the new brochures (with the FEE
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materials.</font></font></b>
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Friday, March 21, 2003, 10:37:46 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> >> Yes, and what's more, it was my honey Wallace Shawn, the only celebrity I
> >> would EVER EVER consent to date!
>
> > Wow.  Even that French guy in UNFAITHFUL, you wouldn't consent to date
> > -him-?
>
> Olivier Martinez. YUM!
>

After searching imdb.com -

Oh no. Not my type at all, besides being younger than my youngest
sibling, which is a line I never cross!

clo

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >
> > I know for sure that you have no idea whatsoever of what my pov on
> this
> > is.  Have I said anything about servicemen plundering or raping and
> > exploiting????  Have I said anything to suggest that our volunteer
> army
> > is not intelligent or professional????  I really, really don't
> > understand why you can't GET IT that I have said NOTHING WHATSOEVER
> > negative about our troops.  Plunder?  Rape?  Lack of intelligence?
> Lack
> > of professionalism?  Cites please for where I have even remotely
> > suggested such things.
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> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> No you never said anything like that and I
> did not mean my remarks for you personally.
> I'm sorry if it came across that way.  I was
> seeing this war not as murder and mayhem
> but as a liberating thing.  I am sorry I chose
> poor examples to try to express that.

Whether we should be at war is something that is obviously debatable,
and you and I are of opposite points of view on that.  But what you keep
on and on and on bringing up is something that we have no disagreement
at all about but that you seem to think we do.  Your posting cuts off
what you said before my reply above.  What you said was all about how I
just didn't understand because I didn't know military people well enough
and that they were professional and that they weren't raping and
pillaging -- that they are intelligent, caring people, etc. etc.  What
does that have to do with what I have been talking about???  I have said
*NOTHING* negative about the troops.  I know why they are doing what
they are doing.  It is what troops do.  War is indeed murder and mayhem,
but it is not the troops who make the decision on when murder and mayhem
might be needed.  The troops do what they are commanded to do.  So
please quit telling me that I don't understand and that the troops are
following orders and that they are not raping and pillaging.  I KNOW
THAT.  I have said a gazillion times that the troops are following
orders.  I had not mentioned earlier that I didn't think they were
raping and pillaging because that had not occurred to me as something
they might be doing.  As I have said before, I know of nobody at all in
my many anti-war friends who are against the troops.  So please stop
your broken record about the troops.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>I wish you had all been around to
>protest in 1941.
>
>Or do I?
>
>              - D. M.

On December 7, 1941, our country was attacked.  We went to war with the
country that attacked us, and when that country's allies declared war on
us, we went to war with them too.  I call your attention to the word "war"
because FDR went Congress to ask it to declare war, which it did with
little hesitation.  (Not unanimously--some things are eternal.  But with
little hesitation.)

The current conflict has little if any similarity the events of 1941.  It
is true that we were attacked on September 11, 2001, but we were not
attacked by Iraq nor by anyone in their employ.

I don't think that anyone is questioning that Iraq represented a potential
threat to American security.  The questions are: 1) whether or not it
represented enough of a threat for us to go to war at this moment and
without international backing; 2) whether or not going to war in such a
way--given the fact that a huge anti-American backlash is an inevitable
result of such an action--is less dangerous to American security than
finding some way of not going to war; 3) if President Bush thought that war
was necessary, why didn't he go to Congress and ask it to declare war?

I hope I'm a fool feeling as pessimistic as I do about the current
situation.  I would love for the war to over in a jiffy, for Iraq to be
suddenly democratic, and for all of this to happen without something
happening to ignite the tinderbox that the Middle East has become.  I hope
that, five years hence, everyone now reading this will be able to make fun
of my worry-wart-ishness.

Ken Miller

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In a message dated 3/21/2003 7:41:23 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Fine, but Tushar was speaking of a person, and you corrected him when
there was no error. Why?

alyce
 >>

His name WAS that word. I was not being mean, just saying that they used the
word wrong. Understand now? Theo

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In a message dated 3/21/2003 8:09:35 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Advanced technology or not, I do not believe that the bombs were able to
fall onto those buildings and not hit a single person. Would the palaces
have been empty even of servants? Hard to believe.
 >>

Ell said, Ally. Sleep tight. Theo

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In a message dated 3/21/2003 11:07:16 PM, bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM writes:

<< I hope I'm a fool feeling as pessimistic as I do about the current
situation.  I would love for the war to over in a jiffy, for Iraq to be
suddenly democratic, and for all of this to happen without something
happening to ignite the tinderbox that the Middle East has become.  I hope
that, five years hence, everyone now reading this will be able to make fun
of my worry-wart-ishness.

 >>

You and me both. Theo

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On Wednesday, March 19, 2003, at 08:19 , alyce cresap wrote:
> Agreed. I don't see the funny part. It is funnier to think that our new
> If statistics can be believed,
> the percentage of people against the war in France, Germany, Russia,
> etc., is very high. I assume that the prime ministers, presidents, etc.,
> of these countries simply are listening to their constituents, a
> desirable thing, to my mind. (The UK excepted--Blair got a big yes from
> parliament, yet "they" say that 95% of the people are opposed.)
>
He may have got a yes (not a big yes either) from the Commmons his life
will get interesting if someone opposes him for the leadership of the
Labour party.

I don't know if it was reported over there but number of his cabinet have
resigned over the subject. He is not as comfortable as he looks.

> alyce
>
Roy

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= Listen, Natalie, our servicemen are not  like the
= ones of old who plundered and raped and took
= over countries to exploit them.  They are following
= orders of course, but they are volunteers, not
= conscripts,  and they are the most intelligent, most
= professional we have ever had.  They will be the first,
= when they can, to shelter and love the people of Iraq.
= I know these young men.  I think you have no idea.
=
=                - D. M.

No, now they just rape their female cadets at the academy:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Central/03/08/academy.assault.ap/

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John Williams wrote:

>     Okay, I'm back from Mexico.  Did I miss anything?

You missed that I missed you in a discussion on the war. But, no doubt
-- and alas! -- you'll have plenty of opportunity for amendment. ('Alas'
because it'll take so long before it's over, I mean.)

Kristin

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> You-u, stupid girl!!!

Glad to see that re developing your skills you've got a huge potential,
Tushar ;-)

Kristin

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/21/2003 1:33:34 PM, Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:
>
> << How can I take seriously a philosopher whose surname is Pannekoeke? >>
>
> FYI, it's either Pannekoek, or Pannekoeken. Depends on whether it's single or
> plural, and it's Dutch :-} Theo

Thank you, Theo. I was not entirely sure of the spelling. It must have been the
first, singular, then.

Kristin

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/21/2003 7:13:17 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:
>
> << How can you say that a man's name is either singular or plural? FYI, his
> name is his name is his name...it has nothing to do with singular and
> plural.
>
> alyce
>  >>
>
> I am talking about the word, not his name. Theo

And I do not know the traditions of  Dutch surnames. We have several surnames
which are in the possessive case, and there may be some irregularities that
make a name with a clear meaning sound slightly different from the noun they
are related to.
Maybe I'll try to search the name in the web, but not at the moment.

Kristin

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alyce cresap wrote:

> I think that Kr's post may be in the 3,905 messages that I cannot
> access.

Oh, but it's good that you're here. And evidently alive enough to read the
post and answer. -- No, I did not want to sound black-humorous, but a message
of yours suggested the latter sentence of mine.

As I've about 20 times less of unread messages than you have, I'll soon find
those in which you've described your Friday

Kristin

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-21 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> > I think that Kr's post may be in the 3,905 messages that I cannot
> > access.
>
> It was in some foreign language anyway.

:-P

Kr.

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> > Doris quotes,
> >
> > >6:09 p.m.   " An entire division of the Iraqi army, numbering 8,000
> > >soldiers, surrendered to coalition forces in southern Iraq Friday,
> > >Pentagon sources said."

Pete:
>> I wonder if this was the 51st division: "The commander of Iraq's 51st

> > division and his top deputy surrendered..."; "American officials said
> that
> > many of the soldiers of the 51st had simply left their posts and that
> the
> > division melted away."

Doris:

> I heard also that many soldiers around the country
> had just put down their guns, changed their clothes,
> and decided they were no longer soldiers.  There
> will be no statistics on these guys.

I think, too, that their surrendering, and maybe also refusing to fight are
the best. It also very clearly shows what they think and feel. Only if there
should be left *any* trace of the current regime after the war, then I'll
sorry for them.

Kristin

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BrPaul,

Did you ever get a chance to sign up for that listserv I told you about,
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This link came from them.
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alyce cresap wrote:

>  And
> my basement is flooding and the sump pump broke

:-( As if you've had little trouble already.

When I read your sentence "The new pump is in, so I can go to bed" in
another message I thought you were slangishly speaking about some medicine
that was given to you to recover and sleep peacefully.

Kristin

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > I wish you had all been around to
> > protest in 1941.
> >
> > Or do I?
>
> What exactly would we have been protesting in '41?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


War.

  - D. M.

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> On December 7, 1941, our country was attacked.  We went to war with
the
> country that attacked us, and when that country's allies declared war
on
> us, we went to war with them too.  I call your attention to the word
"war"
> because FDR went Congress to ask it to declare war, which it did with
> little hesitation.  (Not unanimously--some things are eternal.  But
with
> little hesitation.)
>
> The current conflict has little if any similarity the events of 1941.
It
> is true that we were attacked on September 11, 2001, but we were not
> attacked by Iraq nor by anyone in their employ.
>
> I don't think that anyone is questioning that Iraq represented a
potential
> threat to American security.  The questions are: 1) whether or not it
> represented enough of a threat for us to go to war at this moment and
> without international backing; 2) whether or not going to war in such
a
> way--given the fact that a huge anti-American backlash is an
inevitable
> result of such an action--is less dangerous to American security than
> finding some way of not going to war; 3) if President Bush thought
that war
> was necessary, why didn't he go to Congress and ask it to declare war?
>
> I hope I'm a fool feeling as pessimistic as I do about the current
> situation.  I would love for the war to over in a jiffy, for Iraq to
be
> suddenly democratic, and for all of this to happen without something
> happening to ignite the tinderbox that the Middle East has become.  I
hope
> that, five years hence, everyone now reading this will be able to make
fun
> of my worry-wart-ishness.
>
> Ken Miller

Good post.

    - D. M.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:
> > > > >Do the rest of you feel depressed beyond words?
> > > > >-- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >
> > No.  My glass is not half empty, it is half full.
>
> So you enjoy watching death and destruction?

Natalie, I am sure you are not thinking of it so much differently than I do.
Even if you are openly against the war and I reached the conclusion that
this very war was not unjust to be started.

Of course, any normal human being is depressed by it. Who has said s/he
*enjoyed* it?

But documental shots are the source for us living in peaceful places in
their cosy homes to remind us what a war really is. Movies or books with
made up plots never tell us the same.

We must know, we must feel -- and I'm sure you know and feel, otherwise you
wouldn't have took part in the races against war. But why talk about
enjoying the shots?

Kristin

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Roy Jaques wrote:

> I don't know if it was reported over there but number of his cabinet have
> resigned over the subject. He is not as comfortable as he looks.

Not only has it been reported over here, but some of their comments on
the subject have been wll publicized also.  Robin Cook in particular has
been quoted quite a bit here.

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Speaking of names, did y'all know that in Papua New Guinea it is taboo
to say the names of your in-laws, and since people's names are also
names of common objects, you have to find other ways to name those
objects that share a name with your in-laws.

--
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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I can't watch the TV.  There's something deeply immoral about
> watching people die as entertainment.

Again! Who says it's entertainment? If the TV should present it as such it's
the matter of their team's morals, not that one should watch documental shots
as entertainment.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> I think, too, that their surrendering, and maybe also refusing to fight are
> the best. It also very clearly shows what they think and feel. Only if there

They feel that they'd rather be alive than dead and have perhaps been
reading some of the leaflets about what happens to war criminals?

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > What exactly would we have been protesting in '41?

> War.

Well, I assumed from the date that you were referring to PH, but why do
you think we would have been protesting fighting in self-defense?  I
realize, of course, that there are people who protest all fighting of
any kind, but they are few.  Even the Afghanistan situation wasn't
protested vehemently, though there was a problem since the US had been
attacked by a group within a country rather than by a country and since
the risk of loss of innocent lives was especially high because of the
hidden targets.  Nevertheless, most people realized that something had
to be done to fight back against the Taliban.  If Iraq had attacked the
US, I don't think you'd find many protesters on the streets (of this
country or other countries).

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >         I can't watch the TV.  There's something deeply immoral about
> > watching people die as entertainment.
>
> Again! Who says it's entertainment? If the TV should present it as such it's
> the matter of their team's morals, not that one should watch documental shots
> as entertainment.

Natalie:

>I really do believe that there are people
>out there *enjoying* the war coverage -- cheering on <our team> as it
>wreaks havoc.

Aha. I got an answer to my question.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Of course, any normal human being is depressed by it. Who has said s/he
> *enjoyed* it?

We were speculating last night about the seeming glee of people like
Rumsfeld.  I also truly believe that there are people sitting in front
of tv sets watching the smoke coming up from the burning buildings in
Baghdad and cheering for <Our Team>.  Maybe not.  I hope not.  But it
would not surprise me.

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At 11:24 PM 3/21/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > I wish you had all been around to
> > protest in 1941.
> >
> > Or do I?
>
>What exactly would we have been protesting in '41?

If I'm not mistaken, right up until the bombs dropped on Pearl Harbor very
late in 1941, a Senator from Nebraska (home of all right-thinking
Americans) was a vociferous dissenter regarding Lend-Lease and <any>
involvement of the USA in the emerging world conflict.

cwv

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Bookrat wrote:

> The current conflict has little if any similarity the events of 1941.

Which of course is why I asked Doris what we would be protesting in '41.

> I hope I'm a fool feeling as pessimistic as I do about the current
> situation.  I would love for the war to over in a jiffy, for Iraq to be
> suddenly democratic, and for all of this to happen without something
> happening to ignite the tinderbox that the Middle East has become.  I hope
> that, five years hence, everyone now reading this will be able to make fun
> of my worry-wart-ishness.

I can't imagine not feeling pessimistic about the mess.  I do think the
war itself will be over quickly.  (I haven't checked cnn.com yet this
morning to find out what has happened while I was sleeping.)  I don't
think anybody has doubted that our military would make pretty quick work
of slaying the mouse.  That's part of what may incur wrath against us.
It will help if our troops do produce piles of chemical and biological
weapons (are they stored in piles?).  Although that won't make this
attack <legal>, it will at least make it look more justified.

I guess I need to check the news now to find out what the Turks and
Kurds are doing, among other things.

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>Rita Chapman wrote:
> >         I can't watch the TV.  There's something deeply immoral about
> > watching people die as entertainment.
>
>Again! Who says it's entertainment? If the TV should present it as such it's
>the matter of their team's morals, not that one should watch documental shots
>as entertainment.        --Kristin

The problem is that some of our newscasters really do seem to present the
war as entertainment.  They do not simply do documental shots.   They hype
it.  They give each campaign a cute name.  They treat it much the same way
that they do the Olympic Games which have also become unbearable to watch
because every athlete has to have some personal drama in his life that he
overcame to strive for a gold medal in some sport.  It's all disgusting.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > I think, too, that their surrendering, and maybe also refusing to fight are
> > the best. It also very clearly shows what they think and feel. Only if there
>
> They feel that they'd rather be alive than dead and have perhaps been
> reading some of the leaflets about what happens to war criminals?

You may be right. Any of them has his own considerations.

What I hoped was that they do not want to fight for the regime they have and think
the best way to fight for their country's welfare is not to fight for the regime.
Maybe I'm naive, but there's hope that some of the surrenderers are as naive as I.

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bonniev wrote:

> >Again! Who says it's entertainment? If the TV should present it as such it's
> >the matter of their team's morals, not that one should watch documental shots
> >as entertainment.        --Kristin
>
> The problem is that some of our newscasters really do seem to present the
> war as entertainment.  They do not simply do documental shots.   They hype
> it.  They give each campaign a cute name.  They treat it much the same way
> that they do the Olympic Games which have also become unbearable to watch
> because every athlete has to have some personal drama in his life that he
> overcame to strive for a gold medal in some sport.  It's all disgusting.

Yes, it is. And those cute names I've read suck. I understand one watching TV
cannot get the information without lot of disgusting pathetic, or propagandistic,
or whichever noise around it. Why I started to argue was that the subject here
started from being against watching documental shots, giving information one can
get from nowhere else. -- Not that one should be able to watch it from one morning
till the next.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Maybe I'm naive, but there's hope that some of the surrenderers are as naive as I.

I feel sure that there are individual differences in their reasons.

Meanwhile, in spite of being disgusted with it all, I'm finding
something intriguing about the CBS webcam.  It's now in the Central
Command room, where something is apparently about to happen.  The sounds
now are of the conversations of the various gathered reporters.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Meanwhile, in spite of being disgusted with it all, I'm finding
> something intriguing about the CBS webcam.

I opened the page when I read your message where you sent the web address. I cannot find
webcam, though. Which of the various links conveying visual images do you mean?

Kristin

It's now in the Central

> Command room, where something is apparently about to happen.  The sounds
> now are of the conversations of the various gathered reporters.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 08:42 PM 3/21/2003 -0800, Bookrat wrote:

>The issue is not the soldiers.  The issue is the decisions that were made
>by their Commander-in-Chief.  From what I can gather, there are many of my
>fellow citizens who don't understand that it is possible to criticize the
>latter without criticizing the former.  I myself haven't yet found a way to
>understand people who think that way.

I agree.  For all of the grumbling about the protests, I haven't seen
anyone offer an alternative means of dissent---that is, one that would
likely to be "recorded" by the administration.  People seem to have
forgotten that this country was founded as a result of dissent.  Probably
as far back as history is recorded, governments have operated on the
premise that silence is consent; so how else does one register disagreement
without becoming vocal and visible?  Certainly, some protesters (as usual)
have gone overboard, but then so have some administration loyalists.   But
that's not the issue.  The principal issue remains:  how to express dissent
in a meaningful, timely, and effective manner.  The second and closely
related issue is how to educate people that dissent is not disloyalty.

cwv

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>  As I have said before, I know of nobody at all in
> my many anti-war friends who are against the troops.  So please stop
> your broken record about the troops.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Natalie, it may have been obvious that I was
posting last night under the influence of the
grape.  I think I'll try not to do that again
because it skewers the thinking and the way
things come out.  In my own defense, however,
I had mentioned troops only once and did not
go on and on.

While I would not exactly take back all my
words of last night I would certainly take back
the sentimental sloppiness of them.  Trying
awfully hard to find something positive in a
bad situation.

                  - D. M.

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>What you said was all about how I
>just didn't understand because I didn't know military people well enough
>and that they were professional and that they weren't raping and
>pillaging -- that they are intelligent, caring people, etc. etc.  What
>does that have to do with what I have been talking about???  I have said
>*NOTHING* negative about the troops.   -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Yes, you have said something negative which inspired Doris's comment that
our soldiers would not be murdering and raping.  You, Natalie, said that
our soldiers were over there murdering people.  That's an unnecessary,
inflammatory word.  They are indeed killing people.  But killing is not
murdering.

But you, Natalie, constantly use insulting and inflammatory language.   You
call a Survivor contestant "horse-faced" where "a long, narrow face" would
be neutrally descriptive.   You call a possibly immodest denim jumper
"dressed like a whore".   You describe a woman who chooses to not work
outside her home as "a leech".

When someone calls you on this kind of language, you get all innocent-like
and claim you didn't mean anything negative.  Well, language has power to
hurt and insult.


    --bonniev

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

>   The second and closely
> related issue is how to educate people that dissent is not disloyalty.

This adds something surprising to my knowledge of a country known by its
longlasting freedom and liberty. Was it that you asked here, Clyde, a problem
before Bush? I understand from messages in the list that it is a problem now
(this "love it or leave it" etc.) but I thought for long time people were aware
that one may criticize, if necessary, a country they love.

Kristin

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bonniev wrote:

>> Rita Chapman wrote:
>> >         I can't watch the TV.  There's something deeply immoral about
>> > watching people die as entertainment.
>>
>> Again! Who says it's entertainment? If the TV should present it as
>> such it's
>> the matter of their team's morals, not that one should watch
>> documental shots
>> as entertainment.        --Kristin
>
>
> The problem is that some of our newscasters really do seem to present the
> war as entertainment.  They do not simply do documental shots.   They hype
> it.  They give each campaign a cute name.  They treat it much the same way
> that they do the Olympic Games which have also become unbearable to watch
> because every athlete has to have some personal drama in his life that he
> overcame to strive for a gold medal in some sport.  It's all disgusting.


        Everyday on my way to work I pass a radio station's billboard
that advertises the "Showdown with Saddam."

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> I agree.  For all of the grumbling about the protests, I haven't seen
> anyone offer an alternative means of dissent---that is, one that would
> likely to be "recorded" by the administration.  People seem to have
> forgotten that this country was founded as a result of dissent.  Probably
> as far back as history is recorded, governments have operated on the
> premise that silence is consent; so how else does one register disagreement
> without becoming vocal and visible?  Certainly, some protesters (as usual)
> have gone overboard, but then so have some administration loyalists.   But
> that's not the issue.  The principal issue remains:  how to express dissent
> in a meaningful, timely, and effective manner.  The second and closely
> related issue is how to educate people that dissent is not disloyalty.
>

Well, Bill Moyers is on a campaign to take back the flag, by wearing and
displaying it next to peace and anti-war expressions. I have, for
instance, a button that says "Peace is Patriotic".

Another form of dissent that will, I hope, gain ground as it becomes
apparent how dangerous the plutocratic oligarchy is to its citizens, is
the campaign to impeach.

clo

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> Basically I hated it.  I'm not a hotel/motel/B&B snob.

LOL. After having read your description of the hotel it goes without saying :-)

Kristin

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        Actually, Bonnie, I called it murder.  I think it is murder.
  I say that married to a Vietnam vet who knows my opinions
of such things (and thinks Doris is just goofy), and as the
sister of a Desert Storm vet who murdered Iraqi citizens 10
years ago (who thinks *I'm* pretty goofy, but also thinks
this war is a dicey thing, but is too distracted right now
by impending twins to worry about it too much).

bonniev wrote:

>> What you said was all about how I
>> just didn't understand because I didn't know military people well enough
>> and that they were professional and that they weren't raping and
>> pillaging -- that they are intelligent, caring people, etc. etc.  What
>> does that have to do with what I have been talking about???  I have said
>> *NOTHING* negative about the troops.   -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>
> Yes, you have said something negative which inspired Doris's comment that
> our soldiers would not be murdering and raping.  You, Natalie, said that
> our soldiers were over there murdering people.  That's an unnecessary,
> inflammatory word.  They are indeed killing people.  But killing is not
> murdering.
>
> But you, Natalie, constantly use insulting and inflammatory language.   You
> call a Survivor contestant "horse-faced" where "a long, narrow face" would
> be neutrally descriptive.   You call a possibly immodest denim jumper
> "dressed like a whore".   You describe a woman who chooses to not work
> outside her home as "a leech".
>
> When someone calls you on this kind of language, you get all innocent-like
> and claim you didn't mean anything negative.  Well, language has power to
> hurt and insult.
>
>
>    --bonniev
>

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        I can't watch the TV.  There's something deeply immoral about
>>watching people die as entertainment.
>>
>
> I think it was only the past day or so that Wordslers started talking
> about war as a spectator sport, but I've been talking about it to ftf
> people for a good while now.  I really do believe that there are people
> out there *enjoying* the war coverage -- cheering on <our team> as it
> wreaks havoc.
>

        Of course they are.  And this is somehow less offensive than
people cheering when the towers went down?

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>Was it that you asked here, Clyde, a problem
>before Bush? I understand from messages in the list that it is a problem now
>(this "love it or leave it" etc.) but I thought for long time people were
>aware
>that one may criticize, if necessary, a country they love.
>Kristin

It was a problem  before Bush.   While this country certainly does
acknowledge the right to free speech and dissent, during times of war or
trouble, the cluelessly patriotic start thinking that dissent is
disloyalty.   This happened often during the Vietnam War.   The college
student protesters were often told to love it or leave it.  And, in fact,
some did leave.  For Canada.

It happened again after 9/11 when those who felt that perhaps our attackers
weren't "cowards" and had some legitimate gripes against the behavior of
the USA on the world scene, they were viewed as unpatriotic, not real
Americans.

And those clueless patriots also have the right of free speech.  So we yell
at each across the barricades, the police keep watch, and no one gets
arrested unless they take it beyond speech and into fisticuffs.   God Bless
America.


    --bonniev

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Doris Markland wrote:

>>>in front of the bulldozer at this point would be
>>>stupid. . . if the bulldozer is cutting new ground
>>>for new lives.
>>>
>>
>>        Has this *ever* worked?
>>
>
> Yes.  Hitler.


How about in:
Korea
Vietnam
Cambodia
Guatamala
Panama
Cuba
Iraq
Iran
Afghanistan
Libya

Or any of the other dozens of countries we have bombed in
the name of "Freedom."

If you think Iraq is going to suddenly turn into some sort
of prosperous representative government, you're not paying
attention.  They're more likely to end up with a strict and
repressive Islamic regime.





>
>>
>>>Listen, Natalie, our servicemen are not  like the
>>>ones of old who plundered and raped and took
>>>over countries to exploit them.  They are following
>>>orders of course, but they are volunteers, not
>>>conscripts,  and they are the most intelligent, most
>>>professional we have ever had.  They will be the first,
>>>when they can, to shelter and love the people of Iraq.
>>>I know these young men.  I think you have no idea.
>>>
>>
>>        Doris, how could you be so naive?
>>
>>        Every time I see footage of the bombing, I see murder.  What
>>do you see?
>>
>
> Do we have figures yet?  What we saw bombed today
> was outlying facilities.  There may have been individual
> deaths, of course, but I have not yet heard.  Bombs were not
> dropped on the population but on buildings that
> served as central points for the rape and pillage by
> Sadaam of his own people.


Oh my god.  How can you firebomb a city and not kill anyone?
  What kind of line is "there may have been individual
deaths, of course" ... what other kind of deaths are there?

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bonniev wrote:

> It was a problem  before Bush.   While this country certainly does
> acknowledge the right to free speech and dissent, during times of war or
> trouble, the cluelessly patriotic start thinking that dissent is
> disloyalty.

Thanks, Bonnie

Kristin

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That's fine, Rita.   But it negates nothing I said about Natalie.   You
don't post in that unnecessarily inflammatory way.  You state your
opinion.  You might use strong language.  But you don't bait and then cloak
yourself in amazed innocence that someone would be offended.


>        Actually, Bonnie, I called it murder.  I think it is murder.
>  I say that married to a Vietnam vet who knows my opinions
>of such things (and thinks Doris is just goofy), and as the
>sister of a Desert Storm vet who murdered Iraqi citizens 10
>years ago (who thinks *I'm* pretty goofy, but also thinks
>this war is a dicey thing, but is too distracted right now
>by impending twins to worry about it too much).
>
>bonniev wrote:
>
>>>What you said was all about how I
>>>just didn't understand because I didn't know military people well enough
>>>and that they were professional and that they weren't raping and
>>>pillaging -- that they are intelligent, caring people, etc. etc.  What
>>>does that have to do with what I have been talking about???  I have said
>>>*NOTHING* negative about the troops.   -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>
>>
>>Yes, you have said something negative which inspired Doris's comment that
>>our soldiers would not be murdering and raping.  You, Natalie, said that
>>our soldiers were over there murdering people.  That's an unnecessary,
>>inflammatory word.  They are indeed killing people.  But killing is not
>>murdering.
>>
>>But you, Natalie, constantly use insulting and inflammatory language.   You
>>call a Survivor contestant "horse-faced" where "a long, narrow face" would
>>be neutrally descriptive.   You call a possibly immodest denim jumper
>>"dressed like a whore".   You describe a woman who chooses to not work
>>outside her home as "a leech".
>>
>>When someone calls you on this kind of language, you get all innocent-like
>>and claim you didn't mean anything negative.  Well, language has power to
>>hurt and insult.
>>
>>
>>    --bonniev

    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

> The problem is that some of our newscasters really do seem to present the
> war as entertainment.  They do not simply do documental shots.   They hype
> it.  They give each campaign a cute name.  They treat it much the same way
> that they do the Olympic Games which have also become unbearable to watch
> because every athlete has to have some personal drama in his life that he
> overcame to strive for a gold medal in some sport.  It's all disgusting.

I don't remember the precise phrases, but I heard somebody talking a day
or so ago about having heard some of the tv people's use of sports terms
for describing the war.  I think one term was "an audible."  Not knowing
what that is in sports talk, I'm not sure what it is re war.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> "clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> >   The second and closely
> > related issue is how to educate people that dissent is not disloyalty.
>
> This adds something surprising to my knowledge of a country known by its
> longlasting freedom and liberty. Was it that you asked here, Clyde, a problem
> before Bush? I understand from messages in the list that it is a problem now
> (this "love it or leave it" etc.) but I thought for long time people were aware
> that one may criticize, if necessary, a country they love.
>
> Kristin
>

Kristin,
It is very human for people to only like free speech when they agree with
the products of it. So it's a constant struggle to make sure that right is
protected, and its limits are constantly being debated and contested.

In many many situations in our past, people have been threatened,
attacked, even killed, by others who disagreed with their opinions. And
there have been times when these actions have been sanctioned by the
government. Not many; but they have happened. One of the most frequently
cited examples is the McCarthy era of the 1950s, when people could lose
their jobs for associating in social settings with people who might or
might not be Communist supporters.

One of the things that operates the most strongly to protect liberties is
the awareness that "it CAN happen here", and so we can't permit them to be
nibbled away at the edges.

clo

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

>  So it's a constant struggle to make sure that right is
> protected, and its limits are constantly being debated and contested.

Yes, I can see it.

> One of the things that operates the most strongly to protect liberties is
> the awareness that "it CAN happen here",

Thank you, too. This kind of explanations all again help me to get more to know about
ways of thinking, or mentalities. The more I get to know the more interesting it is
to learn something additional again. That was why I asked.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> I opened the page when I read your message where you sent the web address. I cannot find
> webcam, though. Which of the various links conveying visual images do you mean?

It's over to the right and near the top of that first screen and says
something like "Live Webcast."  The one this morning got boring quickly
-- it was the same thing that was presumably being shown on tv and that
could be read in the news -- speeches by generals about the specifics of
the war.  Before the speeches started, it was moderately interesting
because of hearing reporters' casual conversations with each other
(which made me wonder whether they were aware that their voices were
being blasted over the net).  But what I found more intriguing was last
night's scenes and sounds -- just an ordinary shot of a street in
Baghdad with the sound of the mosquitoes or whatever they were, then the
noise of a car approaching, the view of the car passing on, etc.  I
think I heard a distant dog bark at one point.

Don't ask me why I found that intriguing.  I really don't know.  It's
something akin to my immediate fascination with e-mail and my brief
period of getting on Bitnet Relay and <talking> to people all over the
world.  I knew as I was doing it that telephones had for many years been
linking people all over the world in such a way, but I was nevertheless
intrigued by the computer hook-ups.  There was also something about that
street scene last night that was akin to the thoughts I've had when
traveling and doing things like staring at trees beside a highway in a
faraway country thinking about how trees are similar all over the world
or listening to a thunderstorm on another side of the world and thinking
how it sounds like a thunderstrom right here in Starkville.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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bonniev wrote:

> Yes, you have said something negative which inspired Doris's comment that
> our soldiers would not be murdering and raping.  You, Natalie, said that
> our soldiers were over there murdering people.  That's an unnecessary,
> inflammatory word.  They are indeed killing people.  But killing is not
> murdering.

I understand the legal distinction between the terms but not the
practical distinction.  I did not, however, introduce the word "murder"
into this discussion.  I agreed that war was "murder and mayhem" when
somebody else said it, but you can't blame me for coming up with the
word "murder."

> But you, Natalie, constantly use insulting and inflammatory language.   You
> call a Survivor contestant "horse-faced" where "a long, narrow face" would
> be neutrally descriptive.   You call a possibly immodest denim jumper
> "dressed like a whore".   You describe a woman who chooses to not work
> outside her home as "a leech".
>
> When someone calls you on this kind of language, you get all innocent-like
> and claim you didn't mean anything negative.  Well, language has power to
> hurt and insult.

Of course language can hurt and insult.  And I certainly do not claim
not to mean anything negative when I call somebody "horse-faced" or
"dressed like a whore."  Those terms are intentionally negative, not
intended as <neutral>.  As for a "leech," I have no memory of ever
having called anybody a leech.  If I did, then it was presumably
intended negatively since I do have a negative feeling about the word
"leech."  (I'm not sure that I've ever actually used the word at all,
now that I think about it.)  I have talked about parasitical agreements
in marriages.  Is that what you're referring to?  And I do not see that
as insulting.  I see it as a neutral description of personal
arrangements people have, where people draw off of each other's
strengths in a mutually acceptable way.  It's a division-of-labor kind
of thing.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> Well, Bill Moyers is on a campaign to take back the flag, by wearing and
> displaying it next to peace and anti-war expressions. I have, for
> instance, a button that says "Peace is Patriotic".

I didn't know this thought was related to Bill Moyers.  It has been
present at all the peace rallies I've been involved in.  Flags are
everywhere, along with peace symbols.  And my car and webpage have both
sported "Peace is Patriotic" banners for a good while now.  The
connection between patriotism and involvement in peace rallies is an
obvious one to me.

> Another form of dissent that will, I hope, gain ground as it becomes
> apparent how dangerous the plutocratic oligarchy is to its citizens, is
> the campaign to impeach.

Hey, Bonnie -- You know how you claim that I never think about issues
and am lemming-like in my actions and beliefs?  Well, guess what.  I'm
not on the impeachment bandwagon.

Somehow that reminds me of another one of my differences with some of my
pro-peace associates -- the human shield thing.  Does anybody know how
many foreign human shields are still in Iraq and what's happening with
them?  I read that the Japanese are trying to lure home their human
shields from Iraq but that the shields are still there.  (I've forgotten
how many.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Doris Markland wrote:

>   In my own defense, however,
> I had mentioned troops only once and did not
> go on and on.

Maybe only once last night, but you have said the same type thing
repeatedly over the past couple of days.  I will talk about being
against the war, and you will counter with how the troops are only
following commands.  I will say that I know that -- that I have never
laid the blame for the war on the troops, and you will say things like
how they are well-trained and loyal and how I would "see that in the
coming days" -- as if I needed to see that.  I have not doubted that.  I
think I said sometime yesterday or day before (well before the
rape/pillage posting) that we were obviously going around in circles and
getting nowhere because we were talking about two different things.  I
was talking about the decision-makers (Bush, Rumsfeld, et al), NOT about
the troops.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 5:00:05 AM, steph wrote:
[the military]
> No, now they just rape their female cadets at the academy:
> http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Central/03/08/academy.assault.ap/

'Twas ever thus. My sister said a lot of the women in her unit in
boot camp were raped; she considered herself lucky to not have
been.

Karen

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Doris, you just keep right on posting. If my son were over there, I'd be
posting under the influence, too, I'm sure. I hope he comes home safely,
and soon.  I'm sorry that he had to go.

Betty

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At 04:21 PM 3/22/2003 +0200, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> >   The second and closely
> > related issue is how to educate people that dissent is not disloyalty.
>
>This adds something surprising to my knowledge of a country known by its
>longlasting freedom and liberty. Was it that you asked here, Clyde, a problem
>before Bush? I understand from messages in the list that it is a problem now
>(this "love it or leave it" etc.) but I thought for long time people were
>aware
>that one may criticize, if necessary, a country they love.

Bonnie answered this, but there is a bit more, I think.  The problem goes
all the way back to our revolution---not all Americans (colonials,
whatever) were in favor of declaring independence and fighting the
British---and they did not fare particularly well.  I'm not that much of a
historian to be able to recount all of the examples of the "love it or
leave it" and "if you don't like it, just shut the hell up" occurrences in
our history, save that there have been many.  As Bonnie noted, the Viet Nam
war was perhaps the most extensively devisive time in our recent
history.  I think that it's also important to know that in the Viet Nam
instance, the raucous and sometimes violent attempts to suppress dissent
occurred under both Democratic and Republican administrations.

I guess that any country which develops nationalistic pride also develops
the "super-patriot" who sees dissent as disloyalty, if not downright
treason.  We are no different.

cwv

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 6:58:53 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
>> What exactly would we have been protesting in '41?
>>
>> --
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


> War.

There were protests in '41, I'm quite sure, because there were
Quakers then.

Karen

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Natalie:
>parasitical agreements in marriages.
...
>draw off of each other's strengths in a mutually acceptable way.

Don't mistake mutual parasitism for symbiosis.

--
Richard          (   )

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

>  The problem goes
> all the way back to our revolution---not all Americans (colonials,
> whatever) were in favor of declaring independence and fighting the
> British---and they did not fare particularly well.

As to history so distant I have long had many questions both to myself and to you,
American co-listers. Again they are mostly about "how you feel about..." I'm sure
at some time I go on asking them, till that they are a matter of reflection of my
own, together with more knowledge innoticeably and inevitably accumulating in my
mind.

>  the raucous and sometimes violent attempts to suppress dissent
> occurred under both Democratic and Republican administrations.

/Sigh/ I am to investigate more about their differences, both historically and
now. I often feel that actually my knowledge of history and politics are rather
poor, as is my ability to analyse -- at least I want them to be better.

> I guess that any country which develops nationalistic pride also develops
> the "super-patriot" who sees dissent as disloyalty, if not downright
> treason.  We are no different.

I see.

Kristin

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > webcam, though. Which of the various links conveying visual images do you mean?
>
> It's over to the right and near the top of that first screen and says
> something like "Live Webcast."

Found it at last.

> Don't ask me why I found that intriguing.  I really don't know.  It's
> something akin to my immediate fascination with e-mail and my brief
> period of getting on Bitnet Relay and <talking> to people all over the
> world.  I knew as I was doing it that telephones had for many years been
> linking people all over the world in such a way, but I was nevertheless
> intrigued by the computer hook-ups.

There is something more fascinating in communicating over Internet, indeed.

>  the thoughts I've had when
> traveling and doing things like staring at trees beside a highway in a
> faraway country thinking about how trees are similar all over the world
> or listening to a thunderstorm on another side of the world and thinking
> how it sounds like a thunderstrom right here in Starkville.

There *is* something, I agree.

Kristin

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bonniev wrote:
>
> That's fine, Rita.   But it negates nothing I said about Natalie.   You
> don't post in that unnecessarily inflammatory way.  You state your
> opinion.  You might use strong language.  But you don't bait and then cloak
> yourself in amazed innocence that someone would be offended.

Bullshit.  I think it very much negates the main point of your posting,
which I quote here:

> >>Yes, you have said something negative which inspired Doris's comment that
> >>our soldiers would not be murdering and raping.  You, Natalie, said that
> >>our soldiers were over there murdering people.  That's an unnecessary,
> >>inflammatory word.  They are indeed killing people.  But killing is not
> >>murdering.

I have never chosen the word "murder" to describe what troops are doing
in a war except in the very indirect way of echoing somebody's phrase
like "murder and mayhem" in saying "Yes, war is murder and mayhem,
but...."

If you're going to make accusations, please get your facts straight.
Please show me where I inflamed Doris by saying that our soldiers were
over there murdering people.  In spite of my trying to trick Giggles
into thinking I was Rita at the beginning of Clambake, I am not Rita.  I
could understand a newbie getting Wordslers mixed up, but you are not a
newbie.  Your attitudes are quite obvious, unfortunately.  No, Rita
doesn't say things in an inflammatory way.  She merely says to Doris
that she considers what the troops are doing in Iraq to be murder.  But
somehow you decide to attach her words to me.  Ad hominem at its finest.
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bonniev wrote:

> It was a problem  before Bush.   While this country certainly does
> acknowledge the right to free speech and dissent, during times of war or
> trouble, the cluelessly patriotic start thinking that dissent is
> disloyalty.   This happened often during the Vietnam War.   The college
> student protesters were often told to love it or leave it.  And, in fact,
> some did leave.  For Canada.
>
> It happened again after 9/11 when those who felt that perhaps our attackers
> weren't "cowards" and had some legitimate gripes against the behavior of
> the USA on the world scene, they were viewed as unpatriotic, not real
> Americans.
>
> And those clueless patriots also have the right of free speech.  So we yell
> at each across the barricades, the police keep watch, and no one gets
> arrested unless they take it beyond speech and into fisticuffs.   God Bless
> America.

This is a very good posting, clo.

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Betty wrote:
>
> Doris, you just keep right on posting. If my son were over there, I'd be
> posting under the influence, too, I'm sure. I hope he comes home safely,
> and soon.  I'm sorry that he had to go.

I agree.  No matter how many times I disagree with Doris, I am always
thankful that she is here with us and posting her views, even when they
are minority views and thus might lead some people to slink away and
hang out only with those who share the views.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >> What exactly would we have been protesting in '41?

> > War.
>
> There were protests in '41, I'm quite sure, because there were
> Quakers then.

There have always been pacifists.  But Doris's comment seemed to be
about us Wordslers who are against this war.

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:

> >draw off of each other's strengths in a mutually acceptable way.
>
> Don't mistake mutual parasitism for symbiosis.

Actually, I do think I might have used the word symbiosis in that
discussion.  I confess to lack of technical knowledge of biology and
perhaps screwed up the metaphor.

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, bonniev wrote:

> But you, Natalie, constantly use insulting and inflammatory language.   You
> call a Survivor contestant "horse-faced" where "a long, narrow face" would
> be neutrally descriptive.   You call a possibly immodest denim jumper
> "dressed like a whore".   You describe a woman who chooses to not work
> outside her home as "a leech".
>
> When someone calls you on this kind of language, you get all innocent-like
> and claim you didn't mean anything negative.  Well, language has power to
> hurt and insult.

Bonniev!  You horse-faced whore-dressing leech!  Well put!

Ann

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> This is a very good posting, clo.
>

ROTFL!!!

Thanks, Natalie!
I do my poor best.

Bonnie -
which is worse, my saying "ArcadiaFest", or someone attributing
my words to you? I need Tushar to explain the insult hierarchy to me.
clo

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I don't remember the precise phrases, but I heard somebody talking a day
> or so ago about having heard some of the tv people's use of sports terms
> for describing the war.  I think one term was "an audible."  Not knowing
> what that is in sports talk, I'm not sure what it is re war.

Sports language and war language borrow from each other quite commonly,
of course*.  Part of THE GREAT WAR AND MODERN MEMORY describes World War I
use of football & cricket language - also, there's a part that describes the
symbolic kicking of a football just preceding an attack.

*heh heh to my credit, I think this is the first time I've used "of
course" in this pompous ass way

Ann

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Wonder what thoughts are going thro' the minds of rulers in
Syria, Iran, North Korea as they watch the awesome firepower
of the US military.

I can also imagine the shopping lists of defense departments
in China, India, Pakistan ... more customers for the military
industrial complex. Yay!

-rashmi

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Kristin Sarv writes,

>Maybe I'll try to search the name in the web, but not at the moment.

Anton Pannekoek

Small bio: <http://kurasje.tripod.com/lex/l00300.htm>

Pete

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We're placing flowers on the courthouse steps at noon today, and I've
been wondering about something.  I think I've noticed in pictures
through the years of flowers placed in public places for various causes
that they are usually big bouquets, often still in their paper
wrappers.  But I keep looking at all the pretty jonquils in my yard
thinking that I should go pick them and take them instead -- that it
would be more <personal> or something.  Or should I just go by the
grocery store and buy some flowers on my way to the courthouse?

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
> I'm no admirer of Rumsfeld, but, in fact, he served in the Navy as
> an aviator and flight instructor from 1954 to 1957, then continued
> in the reserves until he retired as a captain in 1989 (according to
> his DoD biography).

I hasten to apologize for disseminating incorrect information. I thought
I heard that none of the people most closely involved in the war were
veterans. I guess I didn't.

alyce

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> Wonder what thoughts are going thro' the minds of rulers in
> Syria, Iran, North Korea as they watch the awesome firepower
> of the US military.

I've assumed that that was a large part of the point.  Sort of like
Truman's showing Russia the bomb in '45.

N. Korea has commented on the situation, hasn't it?  Something
threatening sounding, though I can't remember exactly what now.  Too
much inflow of stuff for my brain to handle these days.  Maybe it's just
as well that our basketball team fell apart last night so that I won't
have that kind of stuff to add to the brain clutter.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> I hasten to apologize for disseminating incorrect information. I thought
> I heard that none of the people most closely involved in the war were
> veterans. I guess I didn't.

I consider Colin Powell closely involved, though I realize it's not in
the same way as Rumsfeld.  I wish I had an inside track to CP's brain --
as in knowing what his thoughts have been over the past year or so.

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I just googled for 'flowers peace rally' and got the feeling that maybe
they're supposed to be white.  The hits I looked at specified "white cut
flowers."  I better get a move on and see whether any grocery store has
any.  I do have some very small white flowers blooming in my yard, I
think, but they would be a very tiny contribution.

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U.S. MAG SAYS HI TO ARAB READERS

By KEITH J. KELLY
----------------------------------------------------------
March 21, 2003 -- Your tax dollars are at work on a new magazine for the
Arab world.
After we finish bombing Iraq, Colin Powell's State Department has a plan
to help win the hearts and minds of the populace in 22 Arab nations.

It plans to start publishing a lifestyle magazine for Arabs in the 18-
to 35-year-old bracket that will showcase America - minus its politics
and religion.

"Basically, it's a magazine that will reflect American lifestyle and
culture," said Raphael Calis, project manager for the International
Information Program at the State Department.

The name of the magazine is not yet finalized, but Janet Ottenberg and
Richard Creighton - principals of Washington D.C.-based custom publisher
The Magazine Group, which is handling the edit and design - said that
the working title is simply "Hi."

"The idea came to us from our Arab staff," said Creighton. "The name's
tested well; we should know for sure in the next two weeks."

The State Department even helps to sell about 10 pages of ads in the
72-page debut issue.

The Arabic-language publication "is going to be a newsstand, lifestyle,
consumer magazine," said Creighton

<more>
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At 11:11 AM 3/22/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >
> > Wonder what thoughts are going thro' the minds of rulers in
> > Syria, Iran, North Korea as they watch the awesome firepower
> > of the US military.
>
>I've assumed that that was a large part of the point.  Sort of like
>Truman's showing Russia the bomb in '45.
>
>N. Korea has commented on the situation, hasn't it?  Something
>threatening sounding, though I can't remember exactly what now.  Too
>much inflow of stuff for my brain to handle these days.  Maybe it's just
>as well that our basketball team fell apart last night so that I won't
>have that kind of stuff to add to the brain clutter.

You can root for the Bears today!

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Ann Borkin wrote:

>
> *heh heh to my credit, I think this is the first time I've used "of
> course" in this pompous ass way

You need more practice, of course*
clo

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I interpreted your initial statement to mean that they didn't do active
duty -
and I don't see anything here that contradicts that.
Did Rumsfeld in fact do anything other than teach other people to fly?
clo

alyce cresap wrote:

> "Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
> > I'm no admirer of Rumsfeld, but, in fact, he served in the Navy as
> > an aviator and flight instructor from 1954 to 1957, then continued
> > in the reserves until he retired as a captain in 1989 (according to
> > his DoD biography).
>
> I hasten to apologize for disseminating incorrect information. I thought
> I heard that none of the people most closely involved in the war were
> veterans. I guess I didn't.
>
> alyce

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> His name WAS that word. I was not being mean, just saying that they used the
> word wrong. Understand now? Theo

No. There is no such thing as a person's name being wrong. Names, over
the years, may get changed--they may lose a letter or add a syllable,
whatever. But to say that a person's name is wrong is stupid, may I say?

alyce


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Roy Jaques wrote:
>
> I don't know if it was reported over there but number of his cabinet have
> resigned over the subject.

I heard only of Robin Cook.

alyce

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>Bonnie -
>which is worse, my saying "ArcadiaFest", or someone attributing
>my words to you? I need Tushar to explain the insult hierarchy to me.
>clo

I don't feel insulted by either.   I do like to see Acadia National Park
spelled correctly.  As for Natalie's whining and point-making and
retracting and explaining and feigned innocence, I try to ignore her.  But
about every three weeks I explode.   I'm over it now.  I'll go back to
being quiet.


    --bonniev

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At 12:24 PM 3/22/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Theodora Groothof wrote:
> >
> > His name WAS that word. I was not being mean, just saying that they
> used the
> > word wrong. Understand now? Theo
>
>No. There is no such thing as a person's name being wrong. Names, over
>the years, may get changed--they may lose a letter or add a syllable,
>whatever. But to say that a person's name is wrong is stupid, may I say?
>
>alyce

I have a friend whose name is Shelia.  People keep wanting to "correct" the
spelling.

Betty

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > << How can I take seriously a philosopher whose surname is Pannekoeke? >>
> >
> > FYI, it's either Pannekoek, or Pannekoeken. Depends on whether it's single or
> > plural, and it's Dutch :-} Theo
>
> Thank you, Theo. I was not entirely sure of the spelling. It must have been the
> first, singular, then.

Do not give in so easily, Kristin. If you Google for Pannekoeke, as in
your original post, you will find many, many people whose name is just
that. Not Pannekoeken and not Pannekoek. Sorry, Theo, but Pannekoeke is
a name. Check it out.

alyce

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Betty wrote:

> You can root for the Bears today!

I'll be for them but won't be paying attention.  As I've mentioned
before, I'm a sports fan only in a selfish way.  I watch only us -- and
only when we're doing fairly well.

I've picked some white crocuses that are looking on their last leg.  I
hope my contribution to the event isn't terribly tacky.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Kristin Sarv writes,

>Even if you are openly against the war and I reached the conclusion that
>this very war was not unjust to be started.

My objection is not to the war, but to the way public discourse in this
country was short-circuited and global consensus was coercively engaged and
ultimately ignored.

The administration's desperate scan for rationalizations to attack Iraq was
disheartening and suspicious, and the fact that groups like the Committee
for the Liberation of Iraq
<http://www.istori.com/log/archives/00000239.html> were really just fronts
for the same people behind the America über alles group, Project for the
New American Century, which are the same people behind the administration,
is just sickening.

Even if war were the only way to fix the problems, and even if that war
were just, the flag of justice is draped around a body of very dubious intent.

Pete

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I've picked some white crocuses that are looking on their last leg.  I
> hope my contribution to the event isn't terribly tacky.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

No, it's sincere and natural. Don't be all commercial about
symbolism, not now!

clo

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bonniev wrote:
> As for Natalie's whining and point-making and
> retracting and explaining and feigned innocence, I try to ignore her.  But
> about every three weeks I explode.   I'm over it now.  I'll go back to
> being quiet.

And you would not feel the desire to set the record straight if somebody
falsely accused you of inflaming Doris by calling our troops murderers?
I'm not feigning anything whatsoever.  I am saying that I did not
appreciate your false accusation.  And what exactly have I retracted?  I
said that Amy was dressed like a whore at Jigglefest and have never
claimed innocence or retraction or whatever.  I stand by what I said.  I
thought she looked like a whore (on that one day, not on the other
day).  The horse-faced person on Survivor?  I intentionally chose a
negative term, not to insult her directly since I doubt very much that
she reads Words-L, but because she was one of that little gang of girls
who kept talking about how cute they were.  I have not claimed that my
choice of that description was <neutral> or <innocent>.  The only thing
I've ever claimed was neutral and innocent was my use of "parasite" or
"symbiotic" or whatever (I know it wasn't "leech") in reference to
marital arrangements.  I have never suggested that there was anything
wrong with such arrangements.  Your defensiveness on that issue suggests
to me that you do indeed have some doubts.

--
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>Anton Pannekoek

I should add this is a guess, based on the fact that his name and
"philosophy" are often coincident on the web; Kristin will have to tell us
if I guessed right. :)

Pete

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> >Anton Pannekoek
>
> I should add this is a guess, based on the fact that his name and
> "philosophy" are often coincident on the web; Kristin will have to tell us
> if I guessed right. :)

The matter is, I haven't read his works. I've only found his name several
times in the lists of references following philosophical articles. As an
author, I am quite sure, not an editor.

His first name I cannot remember as Anton. Whereas "Jaroslav Pelikan", a
historian, I remembered at once when Karen mentioned him.

I googled a bit. This time with 'Pannekoeke'. There are many people with that
form of the name, too. But Pannekoeke+philosophy or philosopher did not give
any results.

(Maybe it is deflated after all? And only syrup is left?)

Kristin

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As gut-wrenching and depressive as I find it, my objection is not to the
war, but to the way public discourse in this country was short-circuited
and global consensus was coercively engaged and ultimately ignored.

The administration's desperate scan for rationalizations to attack Iraq was
disheartening and suspicious, and the fact that groups like the Committee
for the Liberation of Iraq
<http://www.istori.com/log/archives/00000239.html> were really just fronts
for the same people behind the America über alles group, Project for the
New American Century, which are the same people behind the administration,
is just sickening.

Even if war were the only way to fix the problems, and even if that war
were just, the flag of justice would be draped around a body of very
dubious intent.

Pete

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

 I have, for
> instance, a button that says "Peace is Patriotic".

I have a pin on my coat that has a person waving a peace symbol in one
hand and a flag in the other. A bookseller friend sent it to me last
fall.

alyce

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
> I understand from messages in the list that it is a problem now
> (this "love it or leave it" etc.) but I thought for long time people were aware
> that one may criticize, if necessary, a country they love.

It goes back to Viet Nam at least, and maybe before that. "Love it or
leave it" is old.

alyce

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Mis-fire, sorry -- meant for another group.

Pete

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Peter Kaminski:
= Kristin Sarv writes,
=
= >Maybe I'll try to search the name in the web, but not at the moment.
=
= Anton Pannekoek
=
= Small bio: <http://kurasje.tripod.com/lex/l00300.htm>
=
= Pete


No, no, he's not allowed to spell his name that way anymore.
We've had an official spelling rules change, and it must now be
Pannenkoek.  Because apparently, you have to use more than one
pan if you're making pancakes.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> I just googled for 'flowers peace rally' and got the feeling that maybe
> they're supposed to be white.  The hits I looked at specified "white cut
> flowers."  I better get a move on and see whether any grocery store has
> any.  I do have some very small white flowers blooming in my yard, I
> think, but they would be a very tiny contribution.

It's the thought that counts. Jonquils are fine.

alyce

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Results will be Monday or Tuesday. It was not as bad as I feared because
the doctor changed the procedure to suit me. He wanted me to lie on my
stomach so he could go into the mass from the back. Alas, I cannot
breathe while on my back. So he took it from the front instead, but not
from within the lung as it would have been from the back. There are
cells under my skin and all over, so he accommodated me, even though it
was a little more work for him because he had to fish around instead of
just grabbing a clump. Anyway, because he did not go into my lung, there
was no danger of it collapsing (odds are 1 in 5 that it will in this
procedure, a statistic they did not share until I was in the CT scan
machine). Still, they kept me for four hours afterwards, checking my
blood pressure every 15 minutes. And then let me go.

alyce

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On 22 Mar 2003 at 12:22, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> I interpreted your initial statement to mean that they didn't do
> active duty - and I don't see anything here that contradicts that. Did
> Rumsfeld in fact do anything other than teach other people to fly? clo

Rumsfeld's service from 1954 to 1957 was what most people would call
active duty. Perhaps you have a special definition of your own or are
you suggesting that only combat service counts for anything? Why be
so dismissive of flying and teaching others to fly? Many spend their
military service doing work of far less significance.

    mem

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Duh. made a mistake. I meant to say that I cannot breathe whilst on my
stomach, which is why I was put on my back.

alyce

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Natalie--more humor

http://www.terrorready.net/index.asp

and then go back to the home page
http://www.terrorready.net/

alyce

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Results will be Monday or Tuesday. It was not as bad as I feared because
> the doctor changed the procedure to suit me.

And yet it made you very tired. A day like that perhaps should do. I hope
you had a good night rest. You sound as brisk as ever today, but you
generally do.

Let's hope the best.

Kristin

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This doesn't sound like much fun, but less traumatic than I
had feared for you.  I hope you're enjoying having your
sister around.

alyce cresap wrote:

> Results will be Monday or Tuesday. It was not as bad as I feared because
> the doctor changed the procedure to suit me. He wanted me to lie on my
> stomach so he could go into the mass from the back. Alas, I cannot
> breathe while on my back. So he took it from the front instead, but not
> from within the lung as it would have been from the back. There are
> cells under my skin and all over, so he accommodated me, even though it
> was a little more work for him because he had to fish around instead of
> just grabbing a clump. Anyway, because he did not go into my lung, there
> was no danger of it collapsing (odds are 1 in 5 that it will in this
> procedure, a statistic they did not share until I was in the CT scan
> machine). Still, they kept me for four hours afterwards, checking my
> blood pressure every 15 minutes. And then let me go.
>
> alyce
>
>

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> I have a pin on my coat that has a person
> waving a peace symbol in one hand

...and the other in her pocket?

--
I-I-I oughta know

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I understand the legal distinction between the terms but not the
>practical distinction.  I did not, however, introduce the word "murder"
>into this discussion.  I agreed that war was "murder and mayhem" when
>somebody else said it, but you can't blame me for coming up with the
>word "murder."

The distinction between murder and killing is real. Are you suggesting
that you can be exonerated for saying anything at all so long as someone
else said it first?

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I consider Colin Powell closely involved, though I realize it's not in
> the same way as Rumsfeld.

I was not including CP in my <erroneous> stataement. I meant George,
Dick, John, Wolfowitz, COndi, etc.

Did you hear that the daily White House National Security Briefings are
now called War Council Meetings?

alyce

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> This doesn't sound like much fun, but less traumatic than I
> had feared for you.  I hope you're enjoying having your
> sister around.
>
Theh trauma would have been being on my stomach, and that was my huge
advance fear. Once that was overcome, it was clear sailing. Yes, sister
is a take-charge person, so I am having an easy life just now.

alyce

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >I understand the legal distinction between the terms but not the
> >practical distinction.  I did not, however, introduce the word "murder"
> >into this discussion.  I agreed that war was "murder and mayhem" when
> >somebody else said it, but you can't blame me for coming up with the
> >word "murder."
>
> The distinction between murder and killing is real. Are you suggesting
> that you can be exonerated for saying anything at all so long as someone
> else said it first?
>
> Bethany
>

I have seen a lot of this kind of statement in the last couple of days,
and I find it tedious to delete.

To say "the distinction is real" adds no understanding.

Natalie,
I talked to my sister today. Their house in Kiln, 25 miles from Bay St.
Louis, is still unsold. They still haven't found a place in Delaware/
environs, and are very discouraged.

She says that Bay St. Louis is a wonderful community, a very nice place
with congenial inhabitants. It is one of my favorite places to visit, so I
certainly hope you move there! She was too harried to give more details,
and I didn't push it with her so anxious.

But I will definitely get the name of that cafe!

clo

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

>I have seen a lot of this kind of statement in the last couple of days,
>and I find it tedious to delete.
>
>To say "the distinction is real" adds no understanding.

Earlier, I suggested the use of dictionaries. The difference is in state
of mind. It is a HUGE difference. Otherwise, every person who has ever,
for reasons beyond his or her control, commited an act which eventually
caused the death of another would be in prison or would have been executed
for murder.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> >I have seen a lot of this kind of statement in the last couple of days,
> >and I find it tedious to delete.
> >
> >To say "the distinction is real" adds no understanding.
>
> Earlier, I suggested the use of dictionaries. The difference is in state
> of mind. It is a HUGE difference. Otherwise, every person who has ever,
> for reasons beyond his or her control, commited an act which eventually
> caused the death of another would be in prison or would have been executed
> for murder.
>
> Bethany

Mmm, Natalie specifically referenced the legal distinction, but
technically that distinction is between "murder" (homicide) and
"accident" (accidental death/manslaughter, I suppose), with being
so stupid you cause someone to die when you could easily have
prevented it (criminally negligent homicide) as an intermediate.

So your comment still leaves me without any helpful information,
though I am not all that interested in the topic - I am much more
interested in the discourse strategy of restating something firmly
and then behaving as if it were a decisive, informative point.

And, by the way, I don't think yours was a particularly egregious
example; it merely happened to be the one at hand at the moment.

clo

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

> On 22 Mar 2003 at 12:22, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > I interpreted your initial statement to mean that they didn't do
> > active duty - and I don't see anything here that contradicts that. Did
> > Rumsfeld in fact do anything other than teach other people to fly? clo
>
> Rumsfeld's service from 1954 to 1957 was what most people would call
> active duty. Perhaps you have a special definition of your own or are
> you suggesting that only combat service counts for anything? Why be
> so dismissive of flying and teaching others to fly? Many spend their
> military service doing work of far less significance.
>
>     mem
>

to paraphrase Alice,
people's tempers do come and go so quickly here!

I'm not the originator of the comments, though I understand that to say so
my open me to censure; but I will take the heat for unnecessarily cavalier
language.

You are correct, and I am not - active duty in peacetime or a backwater or
even at a desk is still active duty.

I remain, however, surprised to find that Rumsfeld was not an active
career officer for a long period of time - if he was in the reserves,
doesn't that mean a "weekend warrior"? Or do the reserves have career
officers who run training continuously? Hm, for the first time I find a
miniscule note of curiosity about Rumsfeld's background.

clo

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>
> I agree.  No matter how many times I disagree with Doris, I am always
> thankful that she is here with us and posting her views, even when
they
> are minority views and thus might lead some people to slink away and
> hang out only with those who share the views.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Gee, Natalie.  Maybe we should take a vote.
I may be blackballed.

                      - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> >
> > I agree.  No matter how many times I disagree with Doris, I am always
> > thankful that she is here with us and posting her views, even when
> they
> > are minority views and thus might lead some people to slink away and
> > hang out only with those who share the views.
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Gee, Natalie.  Maybe we should take a vote.
> I may be blackballed.
>
>                       - D. M.

What is this propensity to take compliments and encouragements as
insults? I thought when Tushar did it it was <cute>, but it now appears
to be a trend...

clo

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Doris Markland wrote:
> Gee, Natalie.  Maybe we should take a vote.
> I may be blackballed.

No. It's not that easy to get out of Words-L.

alyce

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 4:19:39 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:

>> >
>> > I agree.  No matter how many times I disagree with Doris, I am always
>> > thankful that she is here with us and posting her views, even when
>> they
>> > are minority views and thus might lead some people to slink away and
>> > hang out only with those who share the views.
>> >
>> > --
>> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>
>> Gee, Natalie.  Maybe we should take a vote.
>> I may be blackballed.
>>
>>                       - D. M.

> What is this propensity to take compliments and encouragements as
> insults? I thought when Tushar did it it was <cute>, but it now appears
> to be a trend...

I assumed Doris was still drunk.

Karen

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Carolyn writes,

>Hm, for the first time I find a miniscule note of curiosity about
>Rumsfeld's background.

A pretty extensive profile:
<http://www.geocities.com/rummyfan/chicagomag.html>.

Pete

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02003-03-21 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Friday, March 21, 2003, 1:49:59 PM, steph wrote:
> > I do think, though, that you ought to nail down as well as you can
> > your right to stay.  You are not going to be a happy camper if they
> > decide to boot you for one reason or another (or no reason at all).
>
> Yeah, Tushar, I write INS about you every week, but they never
> listen to me!

I heard that they require proofread letters nowadays.

Your fed-fattening tax dollars at work

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02003-03-22 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > You-u, stupid girl!!!
>
> Glad to see that re developing your skills you've got a huge potential,
> Tushar ;-)

Sometimes I think, all I need is a few sober days ...

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02003-03-21 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> WHO called 60 year old farts 'kid'?

It was a JOKE

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02003-03-21 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> stbex

May I ask what THE HELL THIS MEANS?

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-21 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > WHO called 60 year old farts 'kid'?
>
> It was a JOKE

Oh, a JOKE.

Are we allowed to say that on Words-L?
clo

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02003-03-21 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >I didn't know I had them. But your vision of love and humanity
> >in images of murder pulled them out of me.
>
> You may want to check your dictionary for a definition of <murder>. Your
> adjectives are great, but your nouns need work.

- WHEW -

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02003-03-22 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > It was a JOKE
>
> Oh, a JOKE.
>
> Are we allowed to say that on Words-L?

What pronoun is this, "we"?

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-21 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > stbex
>
> May I ask what THE HELL THIS MEANS?

soon-to-be-ex. Wishful thinking - it's probably going to take years;
my way of expressing extreme frustration.
clo

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At 04:18 PM 3/22/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> > I agree.  No matter how many times I disagree with Doris, I am always
> > thankful that she is here with us and posting her views, even when
>they
> > are minority views and thus might lead some people to slink away and
> > hang out only with those who share the views.
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>Gee, Natalie.  Maybe we should take a vote.
>I may be blackballed.
>
>                       - D. M.

She must mean the minority views on this list which I am not really sure
about.  Only a few are stating their beliefs.  Regardless, I don't think we
vote.

Time out from the war for sports-Stanford lost.  Bears up next.

Betty

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02003-03-22 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> They give each campaign a cute name.

They are pretty Soviet names if you ask me. You know,
even cute needs a bit of talent--STUNNING but true.

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02003-03-22 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-03-21 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > > stbex
> >
> > May I ask what THE HELL THIS MEANS?
>
> soon-to-be-ex. Wishful thinking - it's probably going to take years;
> my way of expressing extreme frustration.

Well, good luck

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At 05:19 PM 3/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > >
> > > I agree.  No matter how many times I disagree with Doris, I am always
> > > thankful that she is here with us and posting her views, even when
> > they
> > > are minority views and thus might lead some people to slink away and
> > > hang out only with those who share the views.
> > >
> > > --
> > >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >
> > Gee, Natalie.  Maybe we should take a vote.
> > I may be blackballed.
> >
> >                       - D. M.
>
>What is this propensity to take compliments and encouragements as
>insults? I thought when Tushar did it it was <cute>, but it now appears
>to be a trend...

This is words fucking l, clo.  We can take it anyway we want.  Or not.

Betty

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At 04:21 PM 3/22/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Saturday, March 22, 2003, 4:19:39 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >> >
> >> > I agree.  No matter how many times I disagree with Doris, I am always
> >> > thankful that she is here with us and posting her views, even when
> >> they
> >> > are minority views and thus might lead some people to slink away and
> >> > hang out only with those who share the views.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >>
> >> Gee, Natalie.  Maybe we should take a vote.
> >> I may be blackballed.
> >>
> >>                       - D. M.
>
> > What is this propensity to take compliments and encouragements as
> > insults? I thought when Tushar did it it was <cute>, but it now appears
> > to be a trend...
>
>I assumed Doris was still drunk.
>
>Karen


I think clo needs a drink.

Betty

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02003-03-22 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> Yes, it is. And those cute names I've read suck. I understand one
> watching TV cannot get the information without lot of disgusting
> pathetic, or propagandistic, or whichever noise around it.

It's odd, but somehow it's the ex-Soviet people around here who
bristle immediately at names like "Iraqi Freedom Campaign" etc.

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Betty Clark wrote:

> >
> > > What is this propensity to take compliments and encouragements as
> > > insults? I thought when Tushar did it it was <cute>, but it now appears
> > > to be a trend...
> >
> >I assumed Doris was still drunk.
> >
> >Karen
>
> I think clo needs a drink.
>
> Betty

Only if Tushar is buying.
clo

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Betty Clark wrote:

> At 04:21 PM 3/22/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>
>> Saturday, March 22, 2003, 4:19:39 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>>
>> > Doris Markland wrote:
>>
>> >> >
>> >> > I agree.  No matter how many times I disagree with Doris, I am
>> always
>> >> > thankful that she is here with us and posting her views, even when
>> >> they
>> >> > are minority views and thus might lead some people to slink away and
>> >> > hang out only with those who share the views.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>> >>
>> >> Gee, Natalie.  Maybe we should take a vote.
>> >> I may be blackballed.
>> >>
>> >>                       - D. M.
>>
>> > What is this propensity to take compliments and encouragements as
>> > insults? I thought when Tushar did it it was <cute>, but it now appears
>> > to be a trend...
>>
>> I assumed Doris was still drunk.
>>
>> Karen
>
>
>
> I think clo needs a drink.
>


        I'm going to have a few tonight.  Babysitter lined up and
everything.  Woo hoo!

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02003-03-22 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> *heh heh to my credit, I think this is the first time I've used "of
> course" in this pompous ass way

"Of course" is not pompous. It's a way of saying, I want to tell
you this, but not in a way presuming you don't know it--you might
very well know it, and anyway knowing it is no big deal. What's
that, a compression ratio of 20:1, BORKIN?

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>This doesn't sound like much fun, but less traumatic than I
>>had feared for you.  I hope you're enjoying having your
>>sister around.
>>
>>
> Theh trauma would have been being on my stomach, and that was my huge
> advance fear. Once that was overcome, it was clear sailing. Yes, sister
> is a take-charge person, so I am having an easy life just now.
>


        Excellent.

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At 04:36 PM 3/22/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>02003-03-21 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > stbex
>
>May I ask what THE HELL THIS MEANS?

I just assumed it was stud t-bone ex.

BB

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02003-03-22 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 04:36 PM 3/22/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >02003-03-21 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> >> stbex
> >
> >May I ask what THE HELL THIS MEANS?
>
> I just assumed it was stud t-bone ex.

Please ... if you really want to come on to me do it in private
mail ... *sigh*

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> > Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >> >
> >> > I agree.  No matter how many times I disagree with Doris, I am
always
> >> > thankful that she is here with us and posting her views, even
when
> >> they
> >> > are minority views and thus might lead some people to slink away
and
> >> > hang out only with those who share the views.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >>
> >> Gee, Natalie.  Maybe we should take a vote.
> >> I may be blackballed.
> >>
> >>                       - D. M.
>
> > What is this propensity to take compliments and encouragements as
> > insults? I thought when Tushar did it it was <cute>, but it now
appears
> > to be a trend...
>
> I assumed Doris was still drunk.
>
> Karen

Not so.  I just don't want to lead any of
you to slink away.  Was that a compliment?
Really?

                         - D. M.

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02003-03-22 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >>       I can't watch the TV.  There's something deeply immoral about
> >>watching people die as entertainment.
> >>
> >
> >I think it was only the past day or so that Wordslers started talking
> >about war as a spectator sport, but I've been talking about it to ftf
> >people for a good while now.  I really do believe that there are people
> >out there *enjoying* the war coverage -- cheering on <our team> as it
> >wreaks havoc.
>
>        Of course they are.  And this is somehow less offensive than
> people cheering when the towers went down?

Yes. You heard it from the matriarch--the "school basketball"
metaphor for war.

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Betty Clark wrote:

> At 04:36 PM 3/22/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >02003-03-21 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > > stbex
> >
> >May I ask what THE HELL THIS MEANS?
>
> I just assumed it was stud t-bone ex.
>
> BB

How I wish! I could do with one right now
clo

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02003-03-22 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> If you think Iraq is going to suddenly turn into some sort
> of prosperous representative government, you're not paying
> attention.  They're more likely to end up with a strict and
> repressive Islamic regime.

"Democracy doesn't spread like an oil slick" ... hey, I was
drunk when I heard whoever it was on TV, but it did make me
laugh.

> Oh my god.  How can you firebomb a city and not kill anyone?
> What kind of line is "there may have been individual deaths,
> of course" ... what other kind of deaths are there?

Mass deaths, of course--a much greater evil, as perpetrated
by the bunkered guy, over there, that Arab guy, whoever...

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02003-03-21 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >         Doris, how could you be so naive?
> >
> >         Every time I see footage of the bombing, I see murder.  What
> > do you see?
>
> A basketball game.

Hm, you make an interesting point ...

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02003-03-21 | Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> writes:
> On December 7, 1941, our country was attacked.  We went to war with the
> country that attacked us, and when that country's allies declared war on
> us, we went to war with them too.  I call your attention to the word "war"
> because FDR went Congress to ask it to declare war, which it did with
> little hesitation.  (Not unanimously--some things are eternal.  But with
> little hesitation.)
>
> The current conflict has little if any similarity the events of 1941.
> It is true that we were attacked on September 11, 2001, but we were not
> attacked by Iraq nor by anyone in their employ.

I don't think you personally know any soldiers, do you? How old
are you, by the way? Where in the country, approximately, do you
live?

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On 22 Mar 2003 at 16:51, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> to paraphrase Alice, people's tempers do come and go so quickly here!

It's unclear to me what tempers have to do with it. Does yours rise
whenever someone comments on something you've written?


> You are correct, and I am not - active duty in peacetime or a
> backwater or even at a desk is still active duty.

That was my only point.


> I remain, however, surprised to find that Rumsfeld was not an active
> career officer for a long period of time - if he was in the reserves,
> doesn't that mean a "weekend warrior"? Or do the reserves have career
> officers who run training continuously?

These are probably questions better anaswered by Alan since he chose
that route rather than have to live in any of those seedy army towns.
Only Rumsfeld himself is likely to be able to tell you why he chose
not to be a career active-duty officer. Perhaps he thought serving in
in Congress and stuff like that offered more potential satisfaction.

     mem

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-22 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>If you think Iraq is going to suddenly turn into some sort
>>of prosperous representative government, you're not paying
>>attention.  They're more likely to end up with a strict and
>>repressive Islamic regime.
>>
>
> "Democracy doesn't spread like an oil slick" ... hey, I was
> drunk when I heard whoever it was on TV, but it did make me
> laugh.
>

        I need to drink more often.

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> On 22 Mar 2003 at 16:51, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > to paraphrase Alice, people's tempers do come and go so quickly here!
>
> It's unclear to me what tempers have to do with it. Does yours rise
> whenever someone comments on something you've written?

Not mine, no. Yet.
I find it refreshingly direct, bracingly frank.
But then, I'm young yet, so perhaps that accounts for it.

clo

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 4:58:35 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

>> > Doris Markland wrote:
>>
>> >> >
>> >> > I agree.  No matter how many times I disagree with Doris, I am
> always
>> >> > thankful that she is here with us and posting her views, even
> when
>> >> they
>> >> > are minority views and thus might lead some people to slink away
> and
>> >> > hang out only with those who share the views.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>> >>
>> >> Gee, Natalie.  Maybe we should take a vote.
>> >> I may be blackballed.
>> >>
>> >>                       - D. M.
>>
>> > What is this propensity to take compliments and encouragements as
>> > insults? I thought when Tushar did it it was <cute>, but it now
> appears
>> > to be a trend...
>>
>> I assumed Doris was still drunk.
>>
>> Karen

> Not so.  I just don't want to lead any of
> you to slink away.  Was that a compliment?
> Really?

Mine wasn't, but Natalie's was.

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02003-03-22 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
>
> Gee, Natalie.  Maybe we should take a vote.
> I may be blackballed.

Somebody needs a HUG ... !

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02003-03-22 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Ann Borkin wrote:
> > *heh heh to my credit, I think this is the first time I've
> > used "of course" in this pompous ass way
>
> You need more practice, of course*

It's interesting that you say that--I am surprised
you didn't notice it earlier.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-22 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > Ann Borkin wrote:
> > > *heh heh to my credit, I think this is the first time I've
> > > used "of course" in this pompous ass way
> >
> > You need more practice, of course*
>
> It's interesting that you say that--I am surprised
> you didn't notice it earlier.

Am I to infer you see me as an expert in this area?
Perhaps I should just be blackballed!

clo

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02003-03-22 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> My objection is not to the war, but to the way public discourse in this
> country was short-circuited and global consensus was coercively engaged
> and ultimately ignored.
>
> The administration's desperate scan for rationalizations to attack
> Iraq was disheartening and suspicious, and the fact that groups like
> the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq
> <http://www.istori.com/log/archives/00000239.html> were really just
> fronts for the same people behind the America über alles group, Project
> for the New American Century, which are the same people behind the
> administration, is just sickening.
>
> Even if war were the only way to fix the problems, and even if that war
> were just, the flag of justice is draped around a body of very dubious
> intent.

To be quite frank, I don't think a quick and relatively bloodless
execution of this war means it will blow over. Not only should you
expect lots of countries talking about imminent terrorist threats
to THEIR populations, but you should also expect a sequence of
campaigns against other axis-of-evil countries, one by one ...

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Betty wrote:

> I have a friend whose name is Shelia.  People keep wanting to "correct" the
> spelling.

I think I might have told before about when teaching hs in Memphis
having to get a note from a homeroom student's parents to make sure his
name really was spelled Micheal instead of Michael before they printed
the diplomas.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-03-22 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-22 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > > > *heh heh to my credit, I think this is the first time I've
> > > > used "of course" in this pompous ass way
> > >
> > > You need more practice, of course*
> >
> > It's interesting that you say that--I am surprised
> > you didn't notice it earlier.
>
> Am I to infer you see me as an expert in this area?
> Perhaps I should just be blackballed!

Good question!

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02003-03-22 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> Not only should you expect lots of countries talking about imminent
> terrorist threats to THEIR populations,

I forgot to add: some of them have nukes ...

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-22 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> > Not only should you expect lots of countries talking about imminent
> > terrorist threats to THEIR populations,
>
> I forgot to add: some of them have nukes ...

Oh, and you're just thinking of this now?
Have you ever considered running for President?
clo

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02003-03-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Speaking of names, did y'all know that in Papua New Guinea it is taboo
> to say the names of your in-laws, and since people's names are also
> names of common objects, you have to find other ways to name those
> objects that share a name with your in-laws.

True ... it seems I had a great grandmother who substituted the
morpheme which was her husband's name. Good way to coin new words,
huh

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> The administration's desperate scan for rationalizations to attack Iraq was
> disheartening and suspicious,

I heard a frightening caller on some kind of NPR segment when coming
back from the co-op this afternoon (with various plants and containers
-- more about that later).  I don't know who the <hosts> were or what
this show was, but this woman from somewhere called up and asked, "Are
our troops in Iraq going to catch those horrible people who flew planes
against buildings on 9/11?"  The host person sounded a bit confused by
the question and said something like, "Well, the terrorist links with
Iraq are still being explored."  The other host person said something
like, "To make sure the record is clear" and went on to give the
nationalities of all the known people involved in 9/11, adding that none
were from Iraq.  The caller said in a voice that you'd need to hear to
get the tone, "But the people in Iraq are Muslim, right?"   Her tone was
of "so there" or "what's the difference."  The radio people went on to
point out that not all Muslims were the same, but she hung up with an
uh-huhish sound.

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>Mmm, Natalie specifically referenced the legal distinction, but
>technically that distinction is between "murder" (homicide) and
>"accident" (accidental death/manslaughter, I suppose), with being

That's not true. Anyway, the discussion was about murder v killing, not
murder vs. accidental death/manslaughter.

>And, by the way, I don't think yours was a particularly egregious
>example; it merely happened to be the one at hand at the moment.

I did not give an example.

Bethany

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > I've picked some white crocuses that are looking on their last leg.  I
> > hope my contribution to the event isn't terribly tacky.
> No, it's sincere and natural. Don't be all commercial about
> symbolism, not now!

Thank you.  My flowers were just fine.  This rally was smaller than the
earlier ones but was very good.  Some of the speeches made, both planned
and impromptu, made many of the same points you made, btw, about why it
is important to keep rallying.

And we had peace signs mingled with yellow bring-home-the-troops-safely
ribbons.  And flags of course.

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02003-03-22 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Wonder what thoughts are going thro' the minds of rulers in
> Syria, Iran, North Korea as they watch the awesome firepower
> of the US military.
>
> I can also imagine the shopping lists of defense departments
> in China, India, Pakistan ... more customers for the military
> industrial complex. Yay!

It may be a good "continuing" ad campaign, but probably not
anything eye-opening. Hasn't India for instance been a huge
buyer for years now? They don't come more anti-Muslim than
that either ... poor bastards

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alyce cresap wrote:

> It's the thought that counts. Jonquils are fine.

The jonquils would have been fine.  People brought various kinds of
flowers.  The flowers are being placed at the base of the flagpole
beside the monument honoring people from here who died in Vietnam.

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In a few moments, I hope, I will send in my required report
on What Happened To Me In Newport.

As a newbie, having no guidance in particular, I have spent
a little time on this... well, it's a complicated story... well,
all my stories are kind of... Where is Wallace Shawn when
I need him?!

What I want to know is, is it ok if I kind of ran over reasonable
length and wrote kind of a tome?

clo

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At 05:56 PM 3/22/2003 -0500, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > At 04:36 PM 3/22/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > >02003-03-21 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > > > stbex
> > >
> > >May I ask what THE HELL THIS MEANS?
> >
> > I just assumed it was stud t-bone ex.
> >
> > BB
>
>How I wish! I could do with one right now
>clo

www.goodvibes.com

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Carolyn Ostrander writes,

>I find it refreshingly direct, bracingly frank.

 From a blog post in which I referred to this list: "... it acts very much
like a family, with all the large and small details of life and living, and
all the bickering and love that a family has."
<http://www.istori.com/log/archives/00000214.html>

If you can't be direct with your family, who can you be direct with?

(Sorry to be sentimental, but I'm reminded of a line spoken by the little
alien at the end of _Lilo & Stitch_, a warm, touching movie despite of
being from Disney: "This is my family.  I found it, all on my own.  It is
little, and broken... but still good.  Yeah, still good.")

Pete

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> The distinction between murder and killing is real. Are you suggesting
> that you can be exonerated for saying anything at all so long as someone
> else said it first?

I don't really care about being exonerated by Bonnie.  She's not exactly
the Pope.  But tell me this.  Do you not find it odd that she would say
that I used inflammatory language to Doris by saying that the troops
were murdering in Iraq when these are all the statements about murder
that were made (excluding one made by Tushar that I don't think was on
the subject and that you responded to by telling him he should look up
the word -- I don't even remember that exchange but came across when I
just did a grep -inw for all instances of "murder" in yesterday's list
mail):

Rita wrote to Doris:

| Every time I see footage of the bombing, I see murder.  What
| do you see?

It was Doris who used the phrase "murder and mayhem" here:

|  I was
| seeing this war not as murder and mayhem
| but as a liberating thing.

Karen replied to Doris:

| You can choose to focus on whatever part of this fucking war you
| want to, Doris, but the fact is that war *is* murder and mayhem.

Natalie's only use of the word "murder":

| I know why they are doing what
| they are doing.  It is what troops do.  War is indeed murder and
mayhem,
| but it is not the troops who make the decision on when murder and
mayhem
| might be needed.  The troops do what they are commanded to do.

So you agree with Bonnie that I am the one who used the inflammatory
speech?  Not Rita?  Not Karen?  Only Natalie.  If so, then I do know
that my views of language are quite mutant.

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02003-03-22 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> ... more customers for the military industrial complex. Yay!

Well, the defense industry WOULD need lots of tech writers ...

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02003-03-22 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-22 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
>
> > > Not only should you expect lots of countries talking about imminent
> > > terrorist threats to THEIR populations,
> >
> > I forgot to add: some of them have nukes ...
>
> Oh, and you're just thinking of this now?
> Have you ever considered running for President?

You raise an interesting issue.

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02003-03-20 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> It's odd and stupid that a Google "search this site" can find stuff that
> the site-specific search engine won't find.

No, homegrown search engines are very likely to suck compared to
Google.

> I suppose maybe some of this is on purpose.  But anyway.  GIVE ME BACK
> MY GOOGLE FUCKING TOOLBAR.

It's ridiculous to prevent your own reasearch staff from installing
a well-known search tool. They should hire better IT staff...

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Tushar Samant writes,

>Not only should you expect lots of countries talking about imminent
>terrorist threats to THEIR populations, but you should also expect a
>sequence of campaigns against other axis-of-evil countries, one by one ...

Yep.  Perhaps World War III is here, just not evenly distributed.

The home team will win lots of materiel and support contract dollars for a
while, but I wish Bush et al. weren't forcing a biggest dick contest with
the EU, China, etc.

Is India likely to be in that running, too?

Pete

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Natalie--more humor
>
> http://www.terrorready.net/index.asp

Thanks!

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> She says that Bay St. Louis is a wonderful community, a very nice place
> with congenial inhabitants. It is one of my favorite places to visit, so I
> certainly hope you move there! She was too harried to give more details,
> and I didn't push it with her so anxious.

I really, really lust after the expensive house I looked at -- the one
that I think I mentioned here, didn't I?  I went inside because a person
who called herself the "caretaker" was sitting on the porch when I
stopped and picked up a brochure.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> I'm not the originator of the comments, though I understand that to say so

Re originating comments, I was happy to see earlier today that you
immediately caught on to why I said "good posting, clo" (or something
like that) in response to Bonnie.

> You are correct, and I am not - active duty in peacetime or a backwater or
> even at a desk is still active duty.

And active duty in wartime means an automatic medal, even if you do
nothing but play golf and fly around for fun in airplanes.  I think I've
mentioned before that my RRB received a medal because of serving during
the Vietnam war.  He thoroughly enjoyed those two years of service.  The
base sent him all around to golf tournaments since he's a good golfer,
he flew around in jets (and got extra pay for it) visiting AF bases in
interesting places just for fun (he was a "flight surgeon"), and he
occasionally saw patients -- always healthy ones since the clientele
tends to be healthy in settings like that.

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>>I assumed Doris was still drunk.
>>Karen
>
>I think clo needs a drink.
>Betty

One of the Innkeepers at stitch'n'bitch last Wednesday said that she had to
be careful about drinking in the evening because then she couldn't be
coherent while taking reservations on the phone.   Well, I just took a two
night reservation for the Hearthside after two margaritas and while
listening to the music from Chicago, a CD that came in the mail as a most
appreciated early birthday present from Bad Betty.


    --bonniev --    "he had it comin', if you'd a been there, you'd a done
the same."

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > I agree.  No matter how many times I disagree with Doris, I am always
> > thankful that she is here with us and posting her views, even when
> they
> > are minority views and thus might lead some people to slink away and
> > hang out only with those who share the views.
>
> Gee, Natalie.  Maybe we should take a vote.
> I may be blackballed.

Nah.  I don't think so.  You're <in>.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Betty wrote:

> At 05:56 PM 3/22/2003 -0500, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >Betty Clark wrote:
> >
> > > At 04:36 PM 3/22/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > > >02003-03-21 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > > > > stbex
> > > >
> > > >May I ask what THE HELL THIS MEANS?
> > >
> > > I just assumed it was stud t-bone ex.
> > >
> > > BB
> >
> >How I wish! I could do with one right now
> >clo
>
> www.goodvibes.com

Oh... I thought we were talking about roast beef...
clo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > Gee, Natalie.  Maybe we should take a vote.
> > I may be blackballed.
> >
> >                       - D. M.
> What is this propensity to take compliments and encouragements as
> insults? I thought when Tushar did it it was <cute>, but it now appears
> to be a trend...

I don't think Doris took my comments as an insult.  I certainly hope
not.  I have said on various occasions that Doris is one of my list
<heroes>.  I am quite serious about that.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-03-22 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant writes,
>
> >Not only should you expect lots of countries talking about imminent
> >terrorist threats to THEIR populations, but you should also expect a
> >sequence of campaigns against other axis-of-evil countries, one by one ...
>
> Yep.  Perhaps World War III is here, just not evenly distributed.
>
> The home team will win lots of materiel and support contract dollars for a
> while, but I wish Bush et al. weren't forcing a biggest dick contest with
> the EU, China, etc.
>
> Is India likely to be in that running, too?

India is most certainly in the running ... and I wouldn't be surprised
if India's involvement in the weapons market--as buyer, seller, broker,
etc--turns out much deeper than we think. Historically, the Indian army's
job has been to keep insurgencies down--at which they have been specta-
cularly successful--and I don't see how it can escape anybody there that
now is their chance to branch out. India is the first non-Muslim entity
going out of the middle east, it's strategically placed and without any
"communist" taint anymore, the government gives off strong anti-Muslim
vibes, it's sufficiently high tech, it was basically welcoming to Enron,
the activism industry is showing signs of sickliness and corruption, and
did I mention it's always been resistant to Islam--the greatest virtue
anybody can have anymore ...

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I don't really care about being exonerated by Bonnie.

Your focus is interesting. I did not mention Bonnie in my question.

>the Pope.  But tell me this.  Do you not find it odd that she would say
>that I used inflammatory language to Doris by saying that the troops
>were murdering in Iraq when these are all the statements about murder
>that were made (excluding one made by Tushar that I don't think was on
>the subject and that you responded to by telling him he should look up
>the word -- I don't even remember that exchange but came across when I
>just did a grep -inw for all instances of "murder" in yesterday's list
>mail):
>
I got lost in this sentence! Where does it end?

Anyway, I did not either say that you were the only person who claimed
murder or that no one else claimed murder. I don't know why you asked this
question.

AFAIK, you said:

>War is indeed murder and mayhem

I was asking a question of you, not anyone else.

Bethany

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02003-03-22 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> In a few moments, I hope, I will send in my required report
> on What Happened To Me In Newport.
>
> As a newbie, having no guidance in particular, I have spent
> a little time on this... well, it's a complicated story... well,
> all my stories are kind of... Where is Wallace Shawn when
> I need him?!
>
> What I want to know is, is it ok if I kind of ran over reasonable
> length and wrote kind of a tome?

We already have "wordy bitch" in the database against you ... so,
what the hell, post it, there's always the delete key ... hahahahaha

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If the last ten days had taught me nothing else, I was certainly
made aware of my dependence on computing and the internet.
The campus email situation was sliding from dreary through
dire as I began preparations for a trip *by myself* to words-ler
territory.

The charms of the journey were: two days of unassigned time;
the potential to meet new people; and 5 days in a jewel-like setting,
in Newport. The only drawbacks were a looming presentation
at the upcoming advising conference, and the necessity to
schmooze with colleagues I could theoretically see by walking
a block across campus at any time. Other than that, I was
free as a bird (tm)!

Assignments that had to be completed before I left
were incomplete at the technical "end of the week", so on
Saturday morning I dutifully trudged in to the office, where
my boss, a sweet, graceful, and highly cultured woman,
was ensconced in a reception area chair, swearing like a
trooper - the entire network was popping up and down like
the ducks in a sideshow shooting gallery.

After going swiftly from plan B through plans G, K, and Q,
we finally agreed to delay some projects to my return, and I
started off toward the east, though about six hours later than
The Plan, if I can call a loose list of phone numbers, emails,
and loose approximations of schedules by the name. The Plan
(or TP, as it quickly became) was rendered even more loose and
airy than my normal take-it-as-it-comes meandering schedule
because of the email situation. Judith had been unreachable,
by choice or necessity; but /Jim, Adam, and Terry had all
indicated an interest in getting together "if something is going on".
Trouble was, no "goings on" had been proposed at which all
three could potentially be present, and my ever-more-sketchy
connections made it difficult to get clear details.

The first casualty was a proposed stop-by as I passed Adam
on Saturday morning (in theory). Since it was after 2 pm when
I finally pulled out of the campus parking lot, this was clearly
not an option. Nor was I going to be in Rhode Island in the
early afternoon to tour RISD with Terry, an option we had
explored and regretfully discarded.

Racing down the turnpike toward my next point of near-destiny
(an outing with Terry), I realized with sinking heart that I was not
going to reach the hotel or any near point until any sane person
would be deeply engaged in preparing for the company she
had told me was arriving on the morrow. Knowing Terry to be
eminently sane (after all, she's a Words-ler), I phoned in my
regrets.

Arriving at the hotel, I went immediately to the Business Center,
to retrieve my email and check out TP. Imagine my surprise on
peeping through the door to discover a thriving Gift Shoppe!
The original GS was undergoing renovations; the BC had been
moved to - the Game Room. (It's fortunate I have kicked my
addiction to pinball, for I eventually discovered the entire
GR, unplugged, in an obscure corner of the Fitness Salon...)
and indeed, I found the BC to be physically there, although
woefully absent in any functional sense. Neither fax nor phone,
basic computer, nor copier nor "internet arcade" were functional.

Retiring to the bar (the restaurant was closed) I discovered that
Newport is a <very> Irish town, and St. Patrick's Day starts a
little early there... The bar was full of raucous drunks, and it
seemed that every other one was smoking a cigar (I never
realized before that cigars are Irish!) I judged it time to leave
when the St. Patrick's Day <bagpiper> showed up in full
regalia and began to pipe full bore in my ear.

Determined, in spite of missing Adam and Terry both, to meet
<somebody>, I now turned to /Jim. Several attempts to meet
with /him met the same fate, helped to disaster by my inability
to get anything mechanical to run as predicted. It took time to
get the phone in my room functional; by the time I managed it,
/he was unavailable. Although we spoke by phone, I could
never call at a time that made it possible to make a date. Sorry
for all the phone calls, /Jim!

I have to say parenthetically that Newport is lovely, full of
intriguing shops and amazing mansions, and very inexpensive
in the off-season. On Monday night I had the great good
fortune to dine at Cafe' Zelda, and because it was <again>,
or possible <still> St. Patrick's Day, and Zelda is not Irish,
the entire menu was 1/2 off! Had there been a little frig in
the hotel room, I would have taken full advantage - the food
there is excellent.

By now I had discovered the Kinko's connection (expensive
though it was), and was gainfully employing a whole new
generation of service-sector workers while yahoo (my only
conduit with the campus servers still not talking to each other)
pumped, ground, and lurched through Hundreds of Absolutely
Inane Comments on Nothing from Words-L, you have no idea
how much less witty you all are on dial-up than on a T-1
connection!!!

But the furies took pity on me at the last, for Terry admitted
to being a night owl, and opined that we could meet for a cup
of coffee if I called her - oh, lovely innocuous Ma Bell! - when
I was free after the presentation on Tuesday evening.

And call I did - Alan, I am getting to know your voice quite
well, though I stuttered and dropped the phone the first time
I heard it! *heavy sigh* - voice mail was to be my sad fate.
I went to an obligatory reception. It would be short. I phoned
again, and indicated that I would be back at the hotel in a trice.
But cruel fate, in the shape of a gaggle of coworkers, caught
me in its cruel fingers and wound me round with obligation -
they were going to a restaurant; it was the dreaded "social
function", and (curse the luck!) they needed me to drive.

And drive I did. I admit, I am better backing up than going
forward, and better still when I have my beloved "Bongo
Fury" pumping at full volume; but in a pinch I can move a
group of women in heels and full-bore pomposity 6 blocks
with the best of them. Naturally, since <I> chose the
restaurant (the Blues Cafe), it was closed. What the hell?
We all piled in the car and drove another <half a block>, to
the Red Parrot. And it should be red with embarrassment.
I have never waited so long in a bar that couldn't mix an
Almond Joy "martini", to hike upstairs with an injured knee
and watch my colleague be inundated by an entire tray of
ice-water-s, sealing my fate. (She couldnt' possibly walk the
9 blocks back to the hotel in a dripping wet suit and heels -
I would have to stick around and drive them back).

Clomping back down the stairs, I was sent across the street
to the local pay phone, a '70s vintage baby that obligingly
turned up a dial tone, had working keys, and permitted me
to hear the lovely ringing tones of Alan's voice mail
message again. It only lacked a working microphone into
which to speak to leave a message. After four attempts,
I realized that I was going to have to take up Stoicism and
accept the will of the gods. Clumping back upstairs, I ordered
the smallest, quickest thing I could find on the menu
(fried green tomatoes) and mentally urged my colleagues to
bore each other into a supor before the dessert tray arrived.
I helped, by contributing an anecdote about going to France
to deliver a co-written paper, having the co-author who had
made the hotel arrangments miss his flight from Houston,
being stranded in a gare in Paris with night approaching, and
meeting both a pickpocket, and a loan shark who housed me
for three days in Cherbourg. The horror and rising boredom
on the attending faces was most enjoyable - apparently my
preferred mode of travel doesn't suit everyone. (Just a note -
this was the only thing that went my way that evening).

Arriving eventually back at the hotel, I discovered a voice
mail from Terry, telling me that she was *at work*, and
giving me a number, which unfortunately rang at a desk
she had left about the time I was parking under the hotel.
With a sigh, I went to bed.

By now my wordsler window was closing at an alarming rate.
If I could leave town early enough, I might catch Adam on
my way back west. If I delayed, I might be able to lunch with
Terry. Which way?

It was a beautiful morning; the sky was blue (a thing I don't
see all that much in Snowy Syracuse); I decided to light out
early and drive in daylight. Taking a wrong turn, I soon
landed where I <thought> I was going, Providence. I tooled
around the city, toyed with the idea of visiting RISD without
my guide, Terry, and eventually settled for enjoying the
architecture and the blue sky. Turning north again, I retraced
my steps to the point where I had first gone wrong, and lo!
A little blue sign informed me that there was a phone just
ahead.

Never one to turn down an opportunity for disappointment,
I sprang into action, and stopped at the looming rest area.
Oh, rapture! Terry's actual voice answered the phone (no
offense, Alan, it's a very nice email message). She admitted
that lunch could be managed, and after discussion we agreed
on a time and a location we both had actually heard of before
(the Brick Alley).
Like all good romance writers, I am tempted to draw a veil
across the actual encounter. Terry arrived with Edward in hand;
and he and I discovered much in common - for instance, a long
tradition of adding side-dishes to beverages, and a strong
tendency to drink from the wrong side of the cup.

We ate nori rolls, and plainer fare. The food was good, and
the waiter was tolerant with children (a Good Thing even
when the children are as well-behaved as Terry's). We talked
about raising kids (Terry and I did; Edward didn't contribute
that much, actually), siblings, <ALL OF YOU>, and the
upcoming AcadiaFest. In short, we had a ball.

I don't have much more to add (I hear that sarcastic noise!).
By the time I got to Springfield, she'll be rising...la la la - oh,
I mean, by the time I got to Springfield, Adam was running
errands, and we missed yet again (seems fitting to close on
a wordsler miss, somehow), but I will catch him in a future
jaunt down the pike.

All in all, I am very happy and look forward to more encounters
with Words-lers. Karen, forewarned is fore-armed!

clo

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > > Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > >> >
> > >> > I agree.  No matter how many times I disagree with Doris, I am
> always
> > >> > thankful that she is here with us and posting her views, even
> when
> > >> they
> > >> > are minority views and thus might lead some people to slink away
> and
> > >> > hang out only with those who share the views.
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> > >>
> > >> Gee, Natalie.  Maybe we should take a vote.
> > >> I may be blackballed.
> > >>
> > >>                       - D. M.
> >
> > > What is this propensity to take compliments and encouragements as
> > > insults? I thought when Tushar did it it was <cute>, but it now
> appears
> > > to be a trend...
> >
> > I assumed Doris was still drunk.
> >
> > Karen
>
> Not so.  I just don't want to lead any of
> you to slink away.  Was that a compliment?
> Really?

I'm confused -- which is why I didn't risk deleting any of the above,
even blank spaces.  Was what a compliment?  Although I wasn't thinking
at the time I wrote it, "this is a compliment," I guess that word would
apply to it.  It was a pro-Doris statement.  On this list, Doris's views
often appear to be minority view.  (I say "appear to be" because I don't
know what lurkers might be thinking.)  Yet she doesn't seem to feel
daunted by that.  And I think that's good.

Or am I lost totally.  Was Doris talking about something else entirely?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> I don't think you personally know any soldiers, do you? How old

I couldn't help thinking today at our peace rally about the idea of not
knowing soldiers personally, as I was arm to arm with a West Point
graduate.

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At 06:56 PM 3/22/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>>I assumed Doris was still drunk.
>>>Karen
>>
>>I think clo needs a drink.
>>Betty
>
>One of the Innkeepers at stitch'n'bitch last Wednesday said that she had to
>be careful about drinking in the evening because then she couldn't be
>coherent while taking reservations on the phone.   Well, I just took a two
>night reservation for the Hearthside after two margaritas and while
>listening to the music from Chicago, a CD that came in the mail as a most
>appreciated early birthday present from Bad Betty.
>
>
>    --bonniev --    "he had it comin', if you'd a been there, you'd a done
>the same."

I love it.  I'm going to mix my second.  Let's all post drunk tonight. The
Pac 10 if falling fast.

Betty

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02003-03-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > I don't think you personally know any soldiers, do you? How old
>
> I couldn't help thinking today at our peace rally about the idea of not
> knowing soldiers personally, as I was arm to arm with a West Point
> graduate.

Let it go!

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Clo and Bethany talking about murder vs. killing"

> > >To say "the distinction is real" adds no understanding.   --clo
> >
> > Earlier, I suggested the use of dictionaries. The difference is in state
> > of mind. It is a HUGE difference.     --Bethany

"State of mind" ???  !!!!!    I disagree.   I always thought murder was
simply an unlawful killing.   A lawful killing would be one that is
sanctioned by the state.    Killings commonly sanctioned by the state are
self defense, the execution of criminals after a fair trial, and killings
done by soldiers in time of war.    I imagine some here would say that the
killings now being done by our soldiers in Iraq still count as murder
because this is not a just war.


    --bonniev

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> What I want to know is, is it ok if I kind of ran over reasonable
> length and wrote kind of a tome?

Yes.  I've gotta log off now for a while, but I can tell you in advance
of reading your tome that the answer to your question is yes.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 5:30:02 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-22 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>> ... more customers for the military industrial complex. Yay!

> Well, the defense industry WOULD need lots of tech writers ...

I'd say "YaY", but I don't do particularly well in large
organizations.

The next project I'm working on is a course on managing change.
The irony is exquisite if I do say so myself.

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As one text states it, "culpability requires that an actor must have
consciousness of her criminal intention. ... Traditionally, the
distinction has turned on whether the actor "premeditated"; the intention
to commit murder must pass through her stream of consciousness."

Bethany

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 6:02:47 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> What I want to know is, is it ok if I kind of ran over reasonable
> length and wrote kind of a tome?

We encourage that.

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 6:07:13 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Betty wrote:
>> At 05:56 PM 3/22/2003 -0500, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> >Betty Clark wrote:
>> >
>> > > At 04:36 PM 3/22/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>> > > >02003-03-21 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
>> > > > > stbex
>> > > >
>> > > >May I ask what THE HELL THIS MEANS?
>> > >
>> > > I just assumed it was stud t-bone ex.
>> > >
>> > > BB
>> >
>> >How I wish! I could do with one right now
>> >clo
>>
>> www.goodvibes.com

> Oh... I thought we were talking about roast beef...

Sausages!!!

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 6:06:18 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 05:48 PM 3/22/2003 -0500, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>>Betty Clark wrote:
>>
>> > >
>> > > > What is this propensity to take compliments and encouragements as
>> > > > insults? I thought when Tushar did it it was <cute>, but it now appears
>> > > > to be a trend...
>> > >
>> > >I assumed Doris was still drunk.
>> > >
>> > >Karen
>> >
>> > I think clo needs a drink.
>> >
>> > Betty
>>
>>Only if Tushar is buying.
>>clo

> He got Karen drunk but she is a cheap drunk.

Yes, I am!

I suspect Akbar is, too.

Jeff

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At 05:57 PM 3/22/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > She says that Bay St. Louis is a wonderful community, a very nice place
> > with congenial inhabitants. It is one of my favorite places to visit, so I
> > certainly hope you move there! She was too harried to give more details,
> > and I didn't push it with her so anxious.
>
>I really, really lust after the expensive house I looked at -- the one
>that I think I mentioned here, didn't I?  I went inside because a person
>who called herself the "caretaker" was sitting on the porch when I
>stopped and picked up a brochure.

No, you didn't tell us much.  You sent loads of awful urls that you were
going to look at. Was the yard huge in the expensive house? How big was
it?  How expensive?

Betty

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Well done.  I read every word.   You could have lifted the veil a bit more,
though:

>Like all good romance writers, I am tempted to draw a veil
>across the actual encounter. Terry arrived with Edward in hand;
>clo

    --bonniev

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >I don't really care about being exonerated by Bonnie.
>
> Your focus is interesting. I did not mention Bonnie in my question.

Well then I don't really know what your point was.  My point was about
Bonnie's saying that I had been the one to use inflammatory language.
The greppings of the archives I did confirmed my clear memory that that
was not the case.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Have you ever considered running for President?
>
> You raise an interesting issue.

Indeed.  Can the Constitution be changed?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 5:30:53 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> (Sorry to be sentimental, but I'm reminded of a line spoken by the little
> alien at the end of _Lilo & Stitch_, a warm, touching movie despite of
> being from Disney: "This is my family.  I found it, all on my own.  It is
> little, and broken... but still good.  Yeah, still good.")

Awwww...:)

Karen

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, bonniev wrote:

>"State of mind" ???  !!!!!    I disagree.

You may disagree, of course - it's the wl way. But courts and dictionaries
recognize the difference. It is true that the word murder is somtimes used
in a broader sense, but in all jurisdictions murder in any but a
very casual sense, certainly in a legal sense, requires either intent
to kill or something like reckless disregard of consequences.

Have you heard of manslaughter, vehicular homicide, involuntary
manslaughter, unintended consequences?

Bethany

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>Well then I don't really know what your point was.  My point was about
>Bonnie's saying that I had been the one to use inflammatory language.
>The greppings of the archives I did confirmed my clear memory that that
>was not the case.     -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Bethany's point might have been that I was allowed to pick on you about the
word murder even though you weren't the first to introduce it into the
dialogue.   I admit that I was wrong about thinking you were.   Because
Doris addressed you in her reassurance that our troops were professional
rather than murderers and rapists, I assumed it was you when it was Rita
who first spoke about murder.   However, I don't apologize because usually
it <is> you who introduces the inflammatory language.


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> > >I assumed Doris was still drunk.
> >> > >Karen
> >> >
> >> > I think clo needs a drink.
> >> > Betty
> >>
> >>Only if Tushar is buying.
> >>clo
>
> > He got Karen drunk but she is a cheap drunk.
>
> Yes, I am!
> I suspect Akbar is, too.
> Jeff

Another thing we have in common!
I'll say it quickly before Tushar can -
clo's a common drunk
clo

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 4:30:51 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-21 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Friday, March 21, 2003, 1:49:59 PM, steph wrote:
>> > I do think, though, that you ought to nail down as well as you can
>> > your right to stay.  You are not going to be a happy camper if they
>> > decide to boot you for one reason or another (or no reason at all).
>>
>> Yeah, Tushar, I write INS about you every week, but they never
>> listen to me!

> I heard that they require proofread letters nowadays.

Phhhhhhbt.

> Your fed-fattening tax dollars at work

Yeah, well, once they unbloat you can pack your bags, baby!!!!

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 6:47:35 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Another thing we have in common!

Akbar tells me that we have many things in common. I look forward
to investigating all of them in person.

Karen

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> >I don't really care about being exonerated by Bonnie.
>>
>> Your focus is interesting. I did not mention Bonnie in my question.
>
>Well then I don't really know what your point was.  My point was about
>Bonnie's saying that I had been the one to use inflammatory language.
>The greppings of the archives I did confirmed my clear memory that that
>was not the case.

I did not ask whether you wanted to be exonerated by Bonnie. I asked
whether you expect to be exonerated for the use of language anytime you
are saying something that has alreay been said by someone else. Bonnie
had nothing to do with my question,whcih was a response to your excuse
that you you were only saying something that had already been said.

This is quite boring ...

Bethany

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 1:11:45 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Results will be Monday or Tuesday. It was not as bad as I feared because
> the doctor changed the procedure to suit me.

I'm very happy about this.

> Anyway, because he did not go into my lung, there
> was no danger of it collapsing

Good.

> (odds are 1 in 5 that it will in this procedure, a statistic
> they did not share until I was in the CT scan machine).

I am glad that the doctor didn't go into your lung.

Karen

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At 05:48 PM 3/22/2003 -0500, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > >
> > > > What is this propensity to take compliments and encouragements as
> > > > insults? I thought when Tushar did it it was <cute>, but it now appears
> > > > to be a trend...
> > >
> > >I assumed Doris was still drunk.
> > >
> > >Karen
> >
> > I think clo needs a drink.
> >
> > Betty
>
>Only if Tushar is buying.
>clo

He got Karen drunk but she is a cheap drunk.

Betty

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> To be quite frank, I don't think a quick and relatively bloodless
> execution of this war means it will blow over. Not only should you

That was one thing said at today's rally.  And it is of course (sorry
AnnBork) something that we've all thought about.  "This war" is quite
likely to lead to lots of other wars -- for various reasons, from the
ignition of more conflict in the Middle East to the idea that
<preemptive strikes> are just fine, etc.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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In a message dated 3/22/2003 4:45:44 AM, Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:

<< Thank you, Theo. I was not entirely sure of the spelling. It must have
been the
first, singular, then.

Kristin
 >>

You're welcome, Kristin. It's no big deal, but I just couldn't resist ;-}

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Congratulations, Alyce! We're glad you made it through so well.
We will all be rooting for you again when you go in to hear the
results.

clo

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In a message dated 3/22/2003 6:01:37 AM, Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:

<< We must know, we must feel -- and I'm sure you know and feel, otherwise you
wouldn't have took part in the races against war. But why talk about
enjoying the shots?

Kristin
 >>

Couldn't have said it better than that, Kristin
Theo

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > I couldn't help thinking today at our peace rally about the idea of not
> > knowing soldiers personally, as I was arm to arm with a West Point
> > graduate.
>
> Let it go!

Antecedent, please.  What is it that I should let go of?

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Betty wrote:

> I love it.  I'm going to mix my second.  Let's all post drunk tonight. The
> Pac 10 if falling fast.

Posting drunk is fun.  Where is Alan, btw?  He has been quiet lately.
But let's not talk about basketball, in which I've lost interest now.
And it's all about me remember.  We must discuss only things I'm
interested in.

Hmm.  Just thought about something.  The Lady Dawgs are supposedly quite
good this year and are off somewhere playing in whatever the Lady's
thing is called.  I should go to cnn.com and see how they're doing.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 07:27 PM 3/22/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > I love it.  I'm going to mix my second.  Let's all post drunk tonight. The
> > Pac 10 if falling fast.
>
>Posting drunk is fun.  Where is Alan, btw?  He has been quiet lately.
>But let's not talk about basketball, in which I've lost interest now.
>And it's all about me remember.  We must discuss only things I'm
>interested in.

You know not what you ask!  Arizona won. Cal and Oregon lost.  On to the women.

We're going to leave the war and basketball behind and go to Monterey tomorrow.

Have you had anything to drink yet?

Clo is the first to see the new Wild.  I'm looking forward to seeing all
the Wild ones in Maine.

Betty

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>  It's all disgusting.
>
>     --bonniev

Yes. You forgot to mention the ominous music each network uses.

Today's news has far too much non-information on the screen - the cute
graphics, the waving flag background, and the ever-present crawling line of
information across the bottom of the screen.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Betty wrote:

> >I really, really lust after the expensive house I looked at -- the one
> >that I think I mentioned here, didn't I?  I went inside because a person
> >who called herself the "caretaker" was sitting on the porch when I
> >stopped and picked up a brochure.
>
> No, you didn't tell us much.  You sent loads of awful urls that you were
> going to look at. Was the yard huge in the expensive house? How big was
> it?  How expensive?

No, the yard at the expensive house was perfect -- tiny.  I was thinking
about that as cutting this godawfully big yard a couple of days ago.
The wonderful house isn't on that real-estate site I was sending those
urls from, but I found it on realtor.com.  I should go there again and
send y'all the url.

Re house size, I can't remember the precise sq-footage, but it was
pretty much perfect -- something around 1500.  The price will seem way,
way low to you as a Californian -- it's $175,000.  Yes, I could buy a
house for that amount.  But I do not ever want to be a slave to a
house.  Iow, I would never buy a house that would <push> me -- that
would make me worry that if the house fell down I'd be in debtor's
prison or whatever.  As we've discussed before, I am financially
conservative.  Like the Democratic Party, unlike the Republican party
that seems to think nothing of putting this country into debtor's
prison.

Bay St. Louis is a strange town, though.  It's very difficult to get a
good grasp of real real-estate values.  This wonderful house does
overlook some pretty slummy places, just not as slummy as the other
houses I saw do.  And the rule-of-thumb in real estate is don't buy the
most expensive hosue on the block.  This one is sandwiched between
houses that probably cost about $5,000 when they were bought.  But that
would've been a while back.

The BSL thing is complicated.  I should revisit.  I could do it on a
weekend but need to figure out what to do about Spencer.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I did not ask whether you wanted to be exonerated by Bonnie. I asked
> whether you expect to be exonerated for the use of language anytime you
> are saying something that has alreay been said by someone else. Bonnie
> had nothing to do with my question,whcih was a response to your excuse
> that you you were only saying something that had already been said.
>
> This is quite boring ...

Indeed.  I find nothing more boring than the kind of legal nit-picking
you seem to relish.  Different strokes for different folks.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Well then I don't really know what your point was.  My point was about
> >Bonnie's saying that I had been the one to use inflammatory language.
> >The greppings of the archives I did confirmed my clear memory that that
> >was not the case.     -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Bethany's point might have been that I was allowed to pick on you about the
> word murder even though you weren't the first to introduce it into the
> dialogue.

You are certainly allowed to pick on me about anything that turns you
on.

>  However, I don't apologize because usually
> it <is> you who introduces the inflammatory language.

Uh huh.

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In a message dated 3/22/2003 8:13:12 AM, Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:

<< Thank you, too. This kind of explanations all again help me to get more to
know about
ways of thinking, or mentalities. The more I get to know the more interesting
it is
to learn something additional again. That was why I asked.

Kristin
 >>

Kristin, I'll tell you something that has happened to me on several
occasions. That's people telling me when I commented on something, not
necessarily criticizing mind you, to go back where I came from. At the time,
not fully knowing yet, that this was common practice here, it hurt me. But
over the years, I've gotten used to it, and can ignore it! Theo

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Crap.  There's no "e-mail this listing" feature on realtor.com.  Here's
the url I'm looking at:

http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/HomeListing.asp?pgnum=9&frm=bymap&st=MS&typ=1&typ=2&typ=3&typ=4&typ=5&typ=6&pgsz=5&view=2&mnbed=2&mnbath=2&mnprice=150000&mxprice=175000&js=off&gate=&poe=realtor&fid=so&mnsqft=&exft=&mls=xmls&ct=Bay+St.+Louis&areaid=21231&sid=9FEE3566B58A4E44B9D9000674D7AAC&snum=43&lnksrc=RSR_PROPPHOT

It's this MLS listing# 138749 in Bay St. Louis, MS.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 7:53:14 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Crap.  There's no "e-mail this listing" feature on realtor.com.  Here's
> the url I'm looking at:

> http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/HomeListing.asp?pgnum=9&frm=bymap&st=MS&typ=1&typ=2&typ=3&typ=4&typ=5&typ=6&pgsz=5&view=2&mnbed=2&mnbath=2&mnprice=150000&mxprice=175000&js=off&gate=&poe=realtor&fid=so&mnsqft=&exft=&mls=xmls&ct=Bay+St.+Louis&areaid=21231&sid=9FEE3566B58A4E44B9D9000674D7AAC&snum=43&lnksrc=RSR_PROPPHOT

Can you TinyURL it?

> It's this MLS listing# 138749 in Bay St. Louis, MS.

> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-03-22 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Yeah, well, once they unbloat you can pack your bags, baby!!!!

The innuendo on this list has gone to hell!

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02003-03-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > You raise an interesting issue.
>
> Indeed.  Can the Constitution be changed?

That's another very interesting point!

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02003-03-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > To be quite frank, I don't think a quick and relatively bloodless
> > execution of this war means it will blow over. Not only should you
>
> That was one thing said at today's rally.  And it is of course (sorry
> AnnBork) something that we've all thought about.  "This war" is quite
> likely to lead to lots of other wars -- for various reasons, from the
> ignition of more conflict in the Middle East to the idea that
> <preemptive strikes> are just fine, etc.

Not preemptive. *Preventive*. Let's appreciate the dangerousness
of the precedent here ...

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02003-03-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > I couldn't help thinking today at our peace rally about the idea of not
> > > knowing soldiers personally, as I was arm to arm with a West Point
> > > graduate.
> >
> > Let it go!
>
> Antecedent, please.  What is it that I should let go of?

You know. Things. For instance, I personally did not read a thing
"Bonnie" said about you--the Bonnies of the world are notoriously
rude and baiting in nature. That could be one of the things you
could let go.

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At 07:40 PM 3/22/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > >I really, really lust after the expensive house I looked at -- the one
> > >that I think I mentioned here, didn't I?  I went inside because a person
> > >who called herself the "caretaker" was sitting on the porch when I
> > >stopped and picked up a brochure.
> >
> > No, you didn't tell us much.  You sent loads of awful urls that you were
> > going to look at. Was the yard huge in the expensive house? How big was
> > it?  How expensive?
>
>No, the yard at the expensive house was perfect -- tiny.  I was thinking
>about that as cutting this godawfully big yard a couple of days ago.
>The wonderful house isn't on that real-estate site I was sending those
>urls from, but I found it on realtor.com.  I should go there again and
>send y'all the url.


Yes, do.  I'd like to see it.


>Re house size, I can't remember the precise sq-footage, but it was
>pretty much perfect -- something around 1500.  The price will seem way,
>way low to you as a Californian -- it's $175,000.  Yes, I could buy a
>house for that amount.  But I do not ever want to be a slave to a
>house.  Iow, I would never buy a house that would <push> me -- that
>would make me worry that if the house fell down I'd be in debtor's
>prison or whatever.  As we've discussed before, I am financially
>conservative.  Like the Democratic Party, unlike the Republican party
>that seems to think nothing of putting this country into debtor's
>prison.


Our house is 1200 sq. feet for two of us.  I couldn't afford to buy it today.


>Bay St. Louis is a strange town, though.  It's very difficult to get a
>good grasp of real real-estate values.  This wonderful house does
>overlook some pretty slummy places, just not as slummy as the other
>houses I saw do.  And the rule-of-thumb in real estate is don't buy the
>most expensive hosue on the block.  This one is sandwiched between
>houses that probably cost about $5,000 when they were bought.  But that
>would've been a while back.


Location, location, location.


>The BSL thing is complicated.  I should revisit.  I could do it on a
>weekend but need to figure out what to do about Spencer.

Take him with you.  See if he likes it.

Betty

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02003-03-22 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> I'll say it quickly before Tushar can -
> clo's a common drunk

I wasn't planning to say that. Are you sure you understand
me? Because nobody here does.

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02003-03-22 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> Today's news has far too much non-information on the screen - the cute
> graphics, the waving flag background, and the ever-present crawling line
> of information across the bottom of the screen.

Pretty cool, huh ... the "media" learning from dotcoms which learned
from the media ...

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In a message dated 3/22/2003 9:43:49 AM, aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:

<< Bonniev!  You horse-faced whore-dressing leech!  Well put!

Ann
 >>

ROFL  Theo

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02003-03-22 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Saturday, March 22, 2003, 5:30:02 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-22 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >> ... more customers for the military industrial complex. Yay!
>
> > Well, the defense industry WOULD need lots of tech writers ...
>
> I'd say "YaY", but I don't do particularly well in large
> organizations.

Oh, there will be many satellite businesses in Texas.

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02003-03-22 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 3/22/2003 9:43:49 AM, aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:
>
> << Bonniev!  You horse-faced whore-dressing leech!  Well put!
>
> Ann
>  >>
>
> ROFL  Theo

I see that it pleases you when somebody gets cussed out. Excuse
me all to pieces

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At 07:53 PM 3/22/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Crap.  There's no "e-mail this listing" feature on realtor.com.  Here's
>the url I'm looking at:
>
>http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/HomeListing.asp?pgnum=9&frm=bymap&st=MS&typ
>=1&typ=2&typ=3&typ=4&typ=5&typ=6&pgsz=5&view=2&mnbed=2&mnbath=2&mnprice=150
>000&mxprice=175000&js=off&gate=&poe=realtor&fid=so&mnsqft=&exft=&mls=xmls&c
>t=Bay+St.+Louis&areaid=21231&sid=9FEE3566B58A4E44B9D9000674D7AAC&snum=43&ln
>ksrc=RSR_PROPPHOT
>
>It's this MLS listing# 138749 in Bay St. Louis, MS.

Avoid two story homes.  Forget about it.

Betty

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Bonnie writes,

>"State of mind" ???  !!!!!    I disagree.   I always thought murder was
>simply an unlawful killing.

m-w adds but does not require state of mind: "1 : the crime of unlawfully
killing a person especially with malice aforethought."

>I imagine some here would say that the killings now being done by our
>soldiers in Iraq still count as murder because this is not a just war.

Or legal, depending on your jurisdiction.

Pete

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 7:58:00 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
>> Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>> > To be quite frank, I don't think a quick and relatively bloodless
>> > execution of this war means it will blow over. Not only should you
>>
>> That was one thing said at today's rally.  And it is of course (sorry
>> AnnBork) something that we've all thought about.  "This war" is quite
>> likely to lead to lots of other wars -- for various reasons, from the
>> ignition of more conflict in the Middle East to the idea that
>> <preemptive strikes> are just fine, etc.

> Not preemptive. *Preventive*. Let's appreciate the dangerousness
> of the precedent here ...

Preventative

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Today's news has far too much non-information on the screen - the cute
> graphics, the waving flag background, and the ever-present crawling line of
> information across the bottom of the screen.

That sounds like typical CNN to me.  I am certainly not claiming to be a
tv expert.  That would be laughable beyond words.  But from my
once-in-a-while perspective I will say that I find CNN highly annoying
to watch because of the screen clutter -- the boxes, the scrolling lines
at the bottom, etc.  And I will also say that I like CBS news.  Sure,
Dan Rather is a flake in ways, hugging poles during hurricanes,
imagining abductors out for him, etc.  But in my (yes, limited) viewing
of various networks, I have found CBS news to be the most interesting
and well-balanced.

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Betty wrote:

> We're going to leave the war and basketball behind and go to Monterey tomorrow.

You are certainly running to Monterey often these days.  If you hadn't
say "we," I would've started suspecting a lover there.

> Have you had anything to drink yet?

Bien sur.  I'm sipping the kangaroo bottle stuff -- can't remember its
name -- yellow bird or something -- in this case its shiraz, though I
also like its merlot.  Yellow Tail!  That's it.

> Clo is the first to see the new Wild.  I'm looking forward to seeing all
> the Wild ones in Maine.

Moi aussi.  The Wild Bunch is a good bunch.

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Karen Kay wrote:

http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/HomeListing.asp?pgnum=9&frm=bymap&st=MS&typ=1&typ=2&typ=3&typ=4&typ=5&typ=6&pgsz=5&view=2&mnbed=2&mnbath=2&mnprice=150000&mxprice=175000&js=off&gate=&poe=realtor&fid=so&mnsqft=&exft=&mls=xmls&ct=Bay+St.+Louis&areaid=21231&sid=9FEE3566B58A4E44B9D9000674D7AAC&snum=43&lnksrc=RSR_PROPPHOT
>
> Can you TinyURL it?

I don't know.  I clicked on it after it was distributed on the list to
make sure it worked, and it took me merrily to the site.  I can't
remember what one does to tinyurl something.

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In a message dated 3/22/2003 10:24:26 AM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< No. There is no such thing as a person's name being wrong. Names, over
the years, may get changed--they may lose a letter or add a syllable,
whatever. But to say that a person's name is wrong is stupid, may I say?

alyce
 >>

Alyce, I see you still don't understand. I NEVER said the name was wrong. All
I commented on was the spelling of the WORD. Next you're going to tell me *go
back where you came from*, I expect? Sadly, Theo

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Antecedent, please.  What is it that I should let go of?
>
> You know. Things. For instance, I personally did not read a thing
> "Bonnie" said about you--the Bonnies of the world are notoriously
> rude and baiting in nature. That could be one of the things you
> could let go.

I think you have a point there.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-22 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > I'll say it quickly before Tushar can -
> > clo's a common drunk
>
> I wasn't planning to say that. Are you sure you understand
> me? Because nobody here does.

Yeah, it didn't sound as good once it came out as I thought it would.
I'll say this before you can -
you-u stupid girl!

clo

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At 08:14 PM 3/22/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > We're going to leave the war and basketball behind and go to Monterey
> tomorrow.
>
>You are certainly running to Monterey often these days.  If you hadn't
>say "we," I would've started suspecting a lover there.

It's our favorite place.  Last time we went to Bodega Bay though.


> > Have you had anything to drink yet?
>
>Bien sur.  I'm sipping the kangaroo bottle stuff -- can't remember its
>name -- yellow bird or something -- in this case its shiraz, though I
>also like its merlot.  Yellow Tail!  That's it.

I like Shiraz. What happened to Carolyn? She is lurking again?

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 8:15:48 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

> http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/HomeListing.asp?pgnum=9&frm=bymap&st=MS&typ=1&typ=2&typ=3&typ=4&typ=5&typ=6&pgsz=5&view=2&mnbed=2&mnbath=2&mnprice=150000&mxprice=175000&js=off&gate=&poe=realtor&fid=so&mnsqft=&exft=&mls=xmls&ct=Bay+St.+Louis&areaid=21231&sid=9FEE3566B58A4E44B9D9000674D7AAC&snum=43&lnksrc=RSR_PROPPHOT
>>
>> Can you TinyURL it?

> I don't know.  I clicked on it after it was distributed on the list to
> make sure it worked, and it took me merrily to the site.  I can't
> remember what one does to tinyurl something.

One goes to TinyUrl.com.

I clicked on the link you posted and it took me nowhere; I don't
know why, because my mail reader didn't wrap it.

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Betty wrote:

> Our house is 1200 sq. feet for two of us.  I couldn't afford to buy it today.

That's a good size.  My previous house was about 1000, which was perfect
for one person.  This house is ahout 2000, which is way too big for one
person.

> >The BSL thing is complicated.  I should revisit.  I could do it on a
> >weekend but need to figure out what to do about Spencer.
>
> Take him with you.  See if he likes it.

I think I said way back before getting Spencer that my next dog would be
introduced to travel -- to staying in motels etc.  But I haven't done
that.  I guess maybe I should try it.  But it's daunting.  What if he
freaked out if left in a motel room?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 08:20 PM 3/22/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Saturday, March 22, 2003, 8:15:48 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >
> http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/HomeListing.asp?pgnum=9&frm=bymap&st=MS&ty
> p=1&typ=2&typ=3&typ=4&typ=5&typ=6&pgsz=5&view=2&mnbed=2&mnbath=2&mnprice=1
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> >>
> >> Can you TinyURL it?
>
> > I don't know.  I clicked on it after it was distributed on the list to
> > make sure it worked, and it took me merrily to the site.  I can't
> > remember what one does to tinyurl something.
>
>One goes to TinyUrl.com.
>
>I clicked on the link you posted and it took me nowhere; I don't
>know why, because my mail reader didn't wrap it.

It took me right to it.  You must upgrade or something.

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02003-03-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > Antecedent, please.  What is it that I should let go of?
> >
> > You know. Things. For instance, I personally did not read a thing
> > "Bonnie" said about you--the Bonnies of the world are notoriously
> > rude and baiting in nature. That could be one of the things you
> > could let go.
>
> I think you have a point there.

An *interesting* point, I have an *interesting* point,
get with the program "Natalie"!

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Saturday, March 22, 2003, 7:58:00 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> >> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>
> >> > To be quite frank, I don't think a quick and relatively bloodless
> >> > execution of this war means it will blow over. Not only should you
> >>
> >> That was one thing said at today's rally.  And it is of course (sorry
> >> AnnBork) something that we've all thought about.  "This war" is quite
> >> likely to lead to lots of other wars -- for various reasons, from the
> >> ignition of more conflict in the Middle East to the idea that
> >> <preemptive strikes> are just fine, etc.
>
> > Not preemptive. *Preventive*. Let's appreciate the dangerousness
> > of the precedent here ...
>
> Preventative

Danger
clo

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 8:26:35 PM, Betty wrote:

> At 08:20 PM 3/22/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Saturday, March 22, 2003, 8:15:48 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> >
>> http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/HomeListing.asp?pgnum=9&frm=bymap&st=MS&ty
>> p=1&typ=2&typ=3&typ=4&typ=5&typ=6&pgsz=5&view=2&mnbed=2&mnbath=2&mnprice=1
>> 50000&mxprice=175000&js=off&gate=&poe=realtor&fid=so&mnsqft=&exft=&mls=xml
>> s&ct=Bay+St.+Louis&areaid=21231&sid=9FEE3566B58A4E44B9D9000674D7AAC&snum=4
>> 3&lnksrc=RSR_PROPPHOT
>> >>
>> >> Can you TinyURL it?
>>
>> > I don't know.  I clicked on it after it was distributed on the list to
>> > make sure it worked, and it took me merrily to the site.  I can't
>> > remember what one does to tinyurl something.
>>
>>One goes to TinyUrl.com.
>>
>>I clicked on the link you posted and it took me nowhere; I don't
>>know why, because my mail reader didn't wrap it.

> It took me right to it.  You must upgrade or something.

Uh-huh.

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On 22 Mar 2003 at 20:11, Karen Kay wrote:

> Preventative

Unadulterated bullshit.

Preventive.


    mem

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Tushar, Pete:

> >Not only should you expect lots of countries talking about imminent
> >terrorist threats to THEIR populations, but you should also expect a
> >sequence of campaigns against other axis-of-evil countries, one by one
>...

'swhat I referred to this morning. Iran, Syria and N. Korea are going
to make sure they acquire some (more) nukes real soon. I bet the raw
power of the US (oops, coalition) has them shaking in their boots.

>Yep.  Perhaps World War III is here, just not evenly distributed.

This reminds me. Two suggested names for the conflict before it started-
dubyadubya III and Survivor : Baghdad.

>The home team will win lots of materiel and support contract dollars for a
>while, but I wish Bush et al. weren't forcing a biggest dick contest with
>the EU, China, etc.

China 's still poised to be the biggest rival for US dominance down the
road. And  this reminds me of another country likely to be thinking hard
about acquiring serious firepower - Taiwan. This is a great precedent for
Chinese action someday.

>Is India likely to be in that running, too?

Nah. It's too poor and has serious problems in not just Kashmir but
potentially the norteastern states.

-rashmi

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 8:24:39 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 22 Mar 2003 at 20:11, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Preventative

> Unadulterated bullshit.

> Preventive.

YOU HAVE BEEN *TWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAKED*!!!! Hahahaha!

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02003-03-23 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> 'swhat I referred to this morning. Iran, Syria and N. Korea are going
> to make sure they acquire some (more) nukes real soon. I bet the raw
> power of the US (oops, coalition) has them shaking in their boots.

Did they learn about it this week?

> >Is India likely to be in that running, too?
>
> Nah. It's too poor and has serious problems in not just Kashmir but
> potentially the norteastern states.

"It's too poor"? What kind of bizarre logic is that?

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02003-03-22 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Saturday, March 22, 2003, 8:24:39 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> > On 22 Mar 2003 at 20:11, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >> Preventative
>
> > Unadulterated bullshit.
>
> > Preventive.
>
> YOU HAVE BEEN *TWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAKED*!!!! Hahahaha!

Nice save

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Betty wrote:

> Avoid two story homes.  Forget about it.

Why??  I've always wanted a two-story home!  That picture is misleading,
btw -- as real-estate pictures often are.  The house looks much more
<majestic> in that picture than it really is.  But I do love the
two-story feature.  The front of it is one-story, as is clear from the
picture, but the back is two-story.  There are stairs up to an upstairs
bedroom.  (But there's also a downstairs full bath, which I consider
essential when house-looking, which I think we've discussed before.)
One thing about his house, though, that I wonder about -- the woman who
showed me around -- the woman who is house-sitting the house --
mentioned that it has two a/c/heat systems, one for up and one for
down.  Ok, so that makes good sense.  I know plenty of people who have
such an arrangement.  BUT -- the idea as I've known it was that they
could shut off the upstairs if not using it.  This house in BSL has no
way to shut off the upstairs.  The house-sitter said that it was simply
more efficient to have such a heat/ac system -- that you could turn it
on lower in the part of the house you weren't in at the time.  I dunno.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 8:27:26 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-22 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Saturday, March 22, 2003, 8:24:39 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>> > On 22 Mar 2003 at 20:11, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> >> Preventative
>>
>> > Unadulterated bullshit.
>>
>> > Preventive.
>>
>> YOU HAVE BEEN *TWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAKED*!!!! Hahahaha!

> Nice save

It was a premeditated tweak; I just thought Mem was too savvy to
fall for it.

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 8:28:32 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Betty wrote:
>> Avoid two story homes.  Forget about it.

> Why??

I mentioned to one neighbor who's in her 40's that I bought my
house because it was 1 story, and she said that her knees ache
from the steps in her house sometimes.

> BUT -- the idea as I've known it was that they
> could shut off the upstairs if not using it.

I've never heard of this for zone heating/ac.

> This house in BSL has no
> way to shut off the upstairs.  The house-sitter said that it was simply
> more efficient to have such a heat/ac system -- that you could turn it
> on lower in the part of the house you weren't in at the time.  I dunno.

Yes, that's the way it usually works, as I understand it.

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02003-03-22 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> I'll say this before you can -
> you-u stupid girl!

Thanks!

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Indeed.  I find nothing more boring than the kind of legal nit-picking
>you seem to relish.  Different strokes for different folks.

Cite, please.

Bethany

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> That sounds like typical CNN to me.

And Fox and MSNBC. To be honest, I didn't even consider network TV when
whining about the news. The only network news I watch is ABC, and rarely
anymore at that.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Tushar:

> > 'swhat I referred to this morning. Iran, Syria and N. Korea are going
> > to make sure they acquire some (more) nukes real soon. I bet the raw
> > power of the US (oops, coalition) has them shaking in their boots.

>Did they learn about it this week?

No. But this week saw a new strategy for bringing about regime change.
Having weapons is all well and good. Using them is another matter.

> > Nah. It's too poor and has serious problems in not just Kashmir but
> > potentially the norteastern states.

>"It's too poor"? What kind of bizarre logic is that?

winning the biggest dick contest requires serious moolah.

-rashmi
-rashmi

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At 08:21 PM 3/22/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Our house is 1200 sq. feet for two of us.  I couldn't afford to buy it
> today.
>
>That's a good size.  My previous house was about 1000, which was perfect
>for one person.  This house is ahout 2000, which is way too big for one
>person.
>
> > >The BSL thing is complicated.  I should revisit.  I could do it on a
> > >weekend but need to figure out what to do about Spencer.
> >
> > Take him with you.  See if he likes it.
>
>I think I said way back before getting Spencer that my next dog would be
>introduced to travel -- to staying in motels etc.  But I haven't done
>that.  I guess maybe I should try it.  But it's daunting.  What if he
>freaked out if left in a motel room?

Don't leave him there.

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On 22 Mar 2003 at 20:30, Karen Kay wrote:

> It was a premeditated tweak; I just thought Mem was too savvy to
> fall for it.

What can I say? Better that than having the unwary think they were
getting sound advice from a professional writer. Or do they pay you
by the syllable?

    mem

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At 08:28 PM 3/22/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Avoid two story homes.  Forget about it.
>
>Why??  I've always wanted a two-story home!  That picture is misleading,
>btw -- as real-estate pictures often are.  The house looks much more
><majestic> in that picture than it really is.  But I do love the
>two-story feature.  The front of it is one-story, as is clear from the
>picture, but the back is two-story.  There are stairs up to an upstairs
>bedroom.  (But there's also a downstairs full bath, which I consider
>essential when house-looking, which I think we've discussed before.)
>One thing about his house, though, that I wonder about -- the woman who
>showed me around -- the woman who is house-sitting the house --
>mentioned that it has two a/c/heat systems, one for up and one for
>down.  Ok, so that makes good sense.  I know plenty of people who have
>such an arrangement.  BUT -- the idea as I've known it was that they
>could shut off the upstairs if not using it.  This house in BSL has no
>way to shut off the upstairs.  The house-sitter said that it was simply
>more efficient to have such a heat/ac system -- that you could turn it
>on lower in the part of the house you weren't in at the time.  I dunno.

You are getting old and will not be able to climb stairs when your bones
fall apart. Bonnie said.

Betty

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At 08:30 PM 3/22/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Saturday, March 22, 2003, 8:27:26 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-03-22 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Saturday, March 22, 2003, 8:24:39 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> >> > On 22 Mar 2003 at 20:11, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Preventative
> >>
> >> > Unadulterated bullshit.
> >>
> >> > Preventive.
> >>
> >> YOU HAVE BEEN *TWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAKED*!!!! Hahahaha!
>
> > Nice save
>
>It was a premeditated tweak; I just thought Mem was too savvy to
>fall for it.

Aren't you cute.

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> >>I clicked on the link you posted and it took me nowhere; I don't
> >>know why, because my mail reader didn't wrap it.   --Karen
>
> > It took me right to it.  You must upgrade or something.  --Nat
>
>Uh-huh.     --Karen

It took me right to it also.


    --bonniev

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > I think you have a point there.
>
> An *interesting* point, I have an *interesting* point,
> get with the program "Natalie"!

Yes.  You had an interesting point there.  Interesting stuff, I'd say.

Speaking of interesting, there are certainly more car sounds in Baghdad
tonight than last night.

--
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>Did you make reservations for Acadiafest? Mine are done.
>-rashmi

Oh, goody.   Did you call them?  Did they sound nice?


    --bonniev

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 9:16:27 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Well, it doesn't work as well, but it does in fact work a little.
> I know several families who live in very long ranch houses, and
> use zone heating despite not having tightly separated zones.

I'd do zone heating in my house if I had the money, because of
the way it's divided into <areas>.

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 8:42:54 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 22 Mar 2003 at 20:30, Karen Kay wrote:

>> It was a premeditated tweak; I just thought Mem was too savvy to
>> fall for it.

> What can I say? Better that than having the unwary think they were
> getting sound advice from a professional writer. Or do they pay you
> by the syllable?

LOL! No.

I doubt I'd ever have occasion to write either of these words.
And if I did, I'd be writing preventive. I promise.

Karen

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

>Today's news has far too much non-information on the screen - the cute
>graphics, the waving flag background, and the ever-present crawling line of
>information across the bottom of the screen.

I'm still staying off the teevee. I did watch some Style stuff but that was
it.

Did you make reservations for Acadiafest? Mine are done.

-rashmi



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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 8:48:25 PM, Betty wrote:
>>It was a premeditated tweak; I just thought Mem was too savvy to
>>fall for it.

> Aren't you cute.

Akbar thinks I'm cute.

Ligniere thinks I'm cute.

Nameless thinks I'm cute, and so do his friends.

EVERYONE LOVES ME AND THINKS I'M CUTE!!!

Even Tushar.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Saturday, March 22, 2003, 8:28:32 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Betty wrote:
> >> Avoid two story homes.  Forget about it.
>
> > Why??
>
> I mentioned to one neighbor who's in her 40's that I bought my
> house because it was 1 story, and she said that her knees ache
> from the steps in her house sometimes.
>
> > BUT -- the idea as I've known it was that they
> > could shut off the upstairs if not using it.
>
> I've never heard of this for zone heating/ac.
>
> > This house in BSL has no
> > way to shut off the upstairs.  The house-sitter said that it was simply
> > more efficient to have such a heat/ac system -- that you could turn it
> > on lower in the part of the house you weren't in at the time.  I dunno.
>
> Yes, that's the way it usually works, as I understand it.

As a person with serious knee problems, I will attest that there are
days when they ache on the stairs. But I also know that moving
from a house that was 2 stories to one that is essentially 3 stories
has improved my leg strength and actually lessened the knee pain
through regular exercise. I do have a rule - someone else carries
things up and down whenever possible (knee trouble is bad enough
to affect balance).

I was strongly advocating for a one-floor place, seeing myself in
a wheelchair if bad luck befalls. But I feel stronger and happier
now, and the house does have a dining room adjacent to the bathroom,
which has doors that shut tight enough to make it a really charming
first floor bedroom if the need ever arises.

The price thing seems to me to be a bigger barrier. I agree with
you heartily after tripling our mortgage 18 months ago - it's a
strain to know that you don't have that flexibility.

clo

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> Did you make reservations for Acadiafest? Mine are done.

Not yet. Meant to this week, but was too busy at work.

What days did we agree on, again?

--Adam

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But only from a mutant perpective perhaps -- another street scene in
Baghdad with the sounds of the birds and insects and cars.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/home/main100.shtml

Click on "webcast" on the right side of the screen.
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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I don't know.  I clicked on it after it was distributed on the list to
> > make sure it worked, and it took me merrily to the site.  I can't
> > remember what one does to tinyurl something.
>
> One goes to TinyUrl.com.

And does what there?  Or goes when there?  Maybe I'll check this out
tomorrow.  Am fading rapidly tonight, even though it's not even 9:00
yet.  Just as I don't allow myself to get up before 4:00, except in odd
situations, I don't allow myself to go to bed before 9:00, except in odd
situations.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Karen Kay wrote:
> I mentioned to one neighbor who's in her 40's that I bought my
> house because it was 1 story, and she said that her knees ache
> from the steps in her house sometimes.

Way weird, imho.  I don't know all that many invalids who are only in
their 40s.

> > BUT -- the idea as I've known it was that they
> > could shut off the upstairs if not using it.
>
> I've never heard of this for zone heating/ac.

It's the only point I've ever heard of for having two systems.  One
frequent situation that I know of is parents whose children have grown
up and moved away, at which point they quit using the heating/cooling in
the part of the house the now-gone children lived in.  But if you didn't
have a door that could close between those parts of the house, it
wouldn't work.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > That sounds like typical CNN to me.
>
> And Fox and MSNBC. To be honest, I didn't even consider network TV when
> whining about the news. The only network news I watch is ABC, and rarely
> anymore at that.

I will confess to never having watched Fox news (but having heard that
it's known to be mega-rightwing) and never having even heard of MSNBC.
(When typing that, I wondered whether it was related to NBC, which I do
in fact know.)

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> What is this propensity to take compliments and encouragements as
> insults? I thought when Tushar did it it was <cute>, but it now appears
> to be a trend...
>
> clo

Hey clo, an ethnography of words-l 2003, you could even blog it!

Ann

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I'm still comparing services and prices, 
hoping to maybe cut costs, and just
found I can get a wireless hookup for
my computer (if they first determine that
my roof gives an unobstructed view of
their tower).  Cost $40 a month for both the
wireless and ISP service.

Do any of you have wireless?  Any comments
on it?

                   - D. M.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
 Next you're going to tell me *go
> back where you came from*, I expect?

You expect wrong. That is a stupid thing to say and you know it.

alyce

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Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 21:11:28 -0600
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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 9:07:13 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I mentioned to one neighbor who's in her 40's that I bought my
>> house because it was 1 story, and she said that her knees ache
>> from the steps in her house sometimes.

> Way weird, imho.  I don't know all that many invalids who are only in
> their 40s.

This is a perfect example of the way you use inflammatory speech,
by introducing the term 'invalid' into a conversation where it
wasn't.

>> > BUT -- the idea as I've known it was that they
>> > could shut off the upstairs if not using it.
>>
>> I've never heard of this for zone heating/ac.

> It's the only point I've ever heard of for having two systems.

It's normal to have different zones for different floors or
sections of the house.

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> "Of course" is not pompous. It's a way of saying, I want to tell
> you this, but not in a way presuming you don't know it--you might
> very well know it, and anyway knowing it is no big deal. What's
> that, a compression ratio of 20:1, BORKIN?

Well the way -I- was using it was ironic.  I was It was a way of saying I
am announcing that I presume you know it just to raise the question of
whether you know it and suggest that you fucking DON'T.

Some people use "as you know" like this - you can tell they don't think
you know it, but you ought to know it, and they feel safe rubbing it in
that you don't know it, because they've said you know it!

Ann

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
> >> I mentioned to one neighbor who's in her 40's that I bought my
> >> house because it was 1 story, and she said that her knees ache
> >> from the steps in her house sometimes.
>
> >Way weird, imho.  I don't know all that many invalids who are only in
> >their 40s.

-Thanks! I attest that one can have knee pain before complete
immobilization.

> >> > BUT -- the idea as I've known it was that they
> >> > could shut off the upstairs if not using it.
> >
> >> I've never heard of this for zone heating/ac.
>
> >It's the only point I've ever heard of for having two systems.  One
> >frequent situation that I know of is parents whose children have grown
> >up and moved away, at which point they quit using the heating/cooling in
> >the part of the house the now-gone children lived in.  But if you didn't
> >have a door that could close between those parts of the house, it
> >wouldn't work.

Well, it doesn't work as well, but it does in fact work a little.
I know several families who live in very long ranch houses, and
use zone heating despite not having tightly separated zones.

clo

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> It's normal to have different zones for different floors or
> sections of the house.

I have five. And three stairways. But now it is hard for me to get
upstairs, which may mean I will have to go elsewhere, if I cannot get to
the shower. If anyone wants a two-storey house, be sure there is a
downstairs shower.

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Saturday, March 22, 2003, 9:07:13 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >> I mentioned to one neighbor who's in her 40's that I bought my
> >> house because it was 1 story, and she said that her knees ache
> >> from the steps in her house sometimes.
>
> > Way weird, imho.  I don't know all that many invalids who are only in
> > their 40s.
>
> This is a perfect example of the way you use inflammatory speech,
> by introducing the term 'invalid' into a conversation where it
> wasn't.

Yes, Natalie, I feel all inflamed now, and it's <your> <fault>!
*pant pant*
Now I am going to have to go out and buy my own drinks
so that I can post drunk - and cheaply, too!
clo

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> > I suppose maybe some of this is on purpose.  But anyway.  GIVE ME BACK
> > MY GOOGLE FUCKING TOOLBAR.
>
> It's ridiculous to prevent your own reasearch staff from installing
> a well-known search tool. They should hire better IT staff...

My request went up the ladder and I got permission to have THEM install
it.  I'm still waiting but I'll get it eventually.  Jeez.

Things are turning ugly at my place of employment.  We have a jackass HR
director, a new one; and the biggest honcho, somebody I would work for to
be president of the US, seriously, is leaving, to be replaced by one of
two types you'd expect in a large law firm.  Already my very own boss is
acquiring stupid jargon and snappy acronyms.  Like RAP:  that stands for
let me try to remember - - - for Responsibility, Accessibility, and
Performance.  I think.

This is thoroughly disgusting.  My Firm used to be relatively free of this
kind of crap.

Ann

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> It's normal to have different zones for different floors or
> sections of the house.

Maybe that's normal in your experience, but not in mine. It's probably due
to the age of the housing stock.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Crap.  There's no "e-mail this listing" feature on realtor.com.  Here's
> the url I'm looking at:
>
> http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/HomeListing.asp?pgnum=9&frm=bymap&st=MS&typ=1&typ=2&typ=3&typ=4&typ=5&typ=6&pgsz=5&view=2&mnbed=2&mnbath=2&mnprice=150000&mxprice=175000&js=off&gate=&poe=realtor&fid=so&mnsqft=&exft=&mls=xmls&ct=Bay+St.+Louis&areaid=21231&sid=9FEE3566B58A4E44B9D9000674D7AAC&snum=43&lnksrc=RSR_PROPPHOT
>
> It's this MLS listing# 138749 in Bay St. Louis, MS.

Wouldn't the electric bill be huge? Is there a second floor? Looks as if
there should be with the windows and all. But it says cathedral
ceilings, so I assume that they are where the windows are and there is
no second floor. Is the porch deep? I cannot understand this house
because the picture is too small and shaded.

alyce

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 9:24:33 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> It's normal to have different zones for different floors or
>> sections of the house.

> Maybe that's normal in your experience, but not in mine. It's probably due
> to the age of the housing stock.

More likely the furnace stock. Even older houses here are zoned,
if the AC has been replaced. (Which it most likely has.)

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> --> http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/HomeListing.asp?pgnum=9&frm=bymap&
> st=MS&typ=1&typ=2&typ=3&typ=4&typ=5&typ=6&pgsz=5&view=2&mnbed=2&mn
> bath=2&mnprice=150000&mxprice=175000&js=off&gate=&poe=realtor&fid=
so&mnsqft=&exft=&mls=xmls&ct=Bay+St.+Louis&areaid=21231&sid=>
9FEE3566B58A4E44B9D9000674D7AAC&snum=43&lnksrc=RSR_PROPPHOT
> >
> > It's this MLS listing# 138749 in Bay St. Louis, MS.


Here's the tiny URL:

http://tinyurl.com/7zc9

--Adam

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 9:29:04 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>> --> http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/HomeListing.asp?pgnum=9&frm=bymap&
>> st=MS&typ=1&typ=2&typ=3&typ=4&typ=5&typ=6&pgsz=5&view=2&mnbed=2&mn
>> bath=2&mnprice=150000&mxprice=175000&js=off&gate=&poe=realtor&fid=
> so&mnsqft=&exft=&mls=xmls&ct=Bay+St.+Louis&areaid=21231&sid=>
> 9FEE3566B58A4E44B9D9000674D7AAC&snum=43&lnksrc=RSR_PROPPHOT
>> >
>> > It's this MLS listing# 138749 in Bay St. Louis, MS.


> Here's the tiny URL:

> http://tinyurl.com/7zc9

Thank you.

JEEEEZE! That's a tiny lot--43x93.

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>I have five. And three stairways. But now it is hard for me to get
>upstairs, which may mean I will have to go elsewhere, if I cannot get to
>the shower.        --alyce

You are up late, alyce.   Do you and your sister watch movies from NetFlix
like you and Ken did?

Where would you go if you left your big old farm house?   Any plans?


    --bonniev

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > I suppose maybe some of this is on purpose.  But anyway.  GIVE ME BACK
> > > MY GOOGLE FUCKING TOOLBAR.
> >
> > It's ridiculous to prevent your own reasearch staff from installing
> > a well-known search tool. They should hire better IT staff...
>
> My request went up the ladder and I got permission to have THEM install
> it.  I'm still waiting but I'll get it eventually.  Jeez.
>
> Things are turning ugly at my place of employment.  We have a jackass HR
> director, a new one; and the biggest honcho, somebody I would work for to
> be president of the US, seriously, is leaving, to be replaced by one of
> two types you'd expect in a large law firm.  Already my very own boss is
> acquiring stupid jargon and snappy acronyms.  Like RAP:  that stands for
> let me try to remember - - - for Responsibility, Accessibility, and
> Performance.  I think.
>
> This is thoroughly disgusting.  My Firm used to be relatively free of this
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>
> Ann

Like "I'll rap you upside the head if you keep messing up"?
clo

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> JEEEEZE! That's a tiny lot--43x93.

The house I grew up in, and which I still think is the Perfect Size - used
about half of a 50 x 100 lot. It was two stories, 3 BR, 1.5 bath. It only
had 1 zone of heat and no central A/C system.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> >I have five. And three stairways. But now it is hard for me to get
> >upstairs, which may mean I will have to go elsewhere, if I cannot get to
> >the shower.        --alyce

Can't you put a shower on the first floor anywhere?

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Betty wrote:

> I like Shiraz. What happened to Carolyn? She is lurking again?

It wasn't all that long ago that she last resurfaced, was it?  But it
was especially brief, I think.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >Indeed.  I find nothing more boring than the kind of legal nit-picking
> >you seem to relish.  Different strokes for different folks.
>
> Cite, please.

Case in point. :-)

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > >> Preventative
> >
> > > Unadulterated bullshit.
> >
> > > Preventive.
> >
> > YOU HAVE BEEN *TWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAKED*!!!! Hahahaha!
>
> Nice save

I am obviously wrong perhaps, but I thought Karen's "prevntative" was
indeed a joke.

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Betty wrote:

> >I think I said way back before getting Spencer that my next dog would be
> >introduced to travel -- to staying in motels etc.  But I haven't done
> >that.  I guess maybe I should try it.  But it's daunting.  What if he
> >freaked out if left in a motel room?
>
> Don't leave him there.

So how could I do things like eat?

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Betty wrote:

> You are getting old and will not be able to climb stairs when your bones
> fall apart. Bonnie said.

But that's not a problem when there's a full bath downstairs.  I can
enjoy the upstairs while on my last legs and then move downstairs
fulltime and not pay any attention to the upstairs again until selling
the house to move to a nursing home.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Way weird, imho.  I don't know all that many invalids who are only in
> > their 40s.
>
> This is a perfect example of the way you use inflammatory speech,
> by introducing the term 'invalid' into a conversation where it
> wasn't.

I find this fascinating.  I see nothing "inflammatory" about what I
said.  I seriously thank you for giving me some clues toward figuring
out why I am thought to use inflammatory words.  To me, somebody who has
trouble climbing stairs in his/her 40s is an invalid.  I don't intend to
be inflaming in saying so.  I simply consider that a fact.

> > It's the only point I've ever heard of for having two systems.
>
> It's normal to have different zones for different floors or
> sections of the house.

As I said earlier, I am well aware of that system.  But the people I
know who have that system use it to shut off a part of the house not in
use.

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
>  If anyone wants a two-storey house, be sure there is a
> downstairs shower.

I would not buy a house that didn't have a full downstairs bathroom plus
a room that could at least serve as a bedroom in a pinch.  If I didn't
feel that way, I would have bought a in-some-ways-wonderful house that I
looked at a few years ago.  When I saw that it had only a half-bath
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alyce cresap wrote:

> > It's this MLS listing# 138749 in Bay St. Louis, MS.
>
> Wouldn't the electric bill be huge?

Why?  Here one normally eschews electric heat since gas heat has
traditionally been cheaper, but gas heat is creeping upward even here,
I've heard that gas heat is sky-high on the coast, and the heat question
is less crucial there since there's less cold weather.  The a/c in that
house is electric, as is the norm here also.

> Is there a second floor? Looks as if
> there should be with the windows and all. But it says cathedral
> ceilings, so I assume that they are where the windows are and there is
> no second floor.

There is a second floor on the back of the house.  The front of the
house goes all the way up -- as in cathedral ceiling.

>Is the porch deep?

The porch seems a <normal> size.

> I cannot understand this house
> because the picture is too small and shaded.

And the picture does not really show much of anything about the house
and its neighborhood.  I wish I'd taken some pictures.

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> > JEEEEZE! That's a tiny lot--43x93.
>
>The house I grew up in, and which I still think is the Perfect Size - used
>about half of a 50 x 100 lot. It was two stories, 3 BR, 1.5 bath. It only
>had 1 zone of heat and no central A/C system.
>--Adam

You'll like our house.   The lot is about 110' by 66'.   It has 1584 square
feet plus a 1040 square foot basement.   It has three bedrooms and 1.75
bathrooms.   It has a story and a half, with the upstairs not on the oil
furnace.  No central A/C system.

I thought of you today, Adam, when I took a walk for the first time in a
long time along the Shore Path in town.   Where there were icy stretches, I
walked along the narrow ledge of the retaining wall looking down at the
five foot drop to the rocky shore.

It was a pretty day here.   I even bought an ice cream cone to eat during
my Shore Path walk.  But tomorrow morning we are supposed to get two to
four inches of SNOW.


    --bonniev

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At 09:12 PM 3/22/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > >I think I said way back before getting Spencer that my next dog would be
> > >introduced to travel -- to staying in motels etc.  But I haven't done
> > >that.  I guess maybe I should try it.  But it's daunting.  What if he
> > >freaked out if left in a motel room?
> >
> > Don't leave him there.
>
>So how could I do things like eat?

Drive through McDonald's or something

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 9:31:23 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > Way weird, imho.  I don't know all that many invalids who are only in
>> > their 40s.
>>
>> This is a perfect example of the way you use inflammatory speech,
>> by introducing the term 'invalid' into a conversation where it
>> wasn't.

> I find this fascinating.  I see nothing "inflammatory" about what I
> said.  I seriously thank you for giving me some clues toward figuring
> out why I am thought to use inflammatory words.  To me, somebody who has
> trouble climbing stairs in his/her 40s is an invalid.  I don't intend to
> be inflaming in saying so.  I simply consider that a fact.

I think you're nuts, frankly, if you can't see why the term
'invalid' is inflammatory.

And, actually, I find the idea of her being considered an invalid
ludicrous. She's very healthy and very strong. I don't know what
she does for exercise--I know she walks, and she may also run.

I guess I've been an invalid for many years by your lights.

>> > It's the only point I've ever heard of for having two systems.
>>
>> It's normal to have different zones for different floors or
>> sections of the house.

> As I said earlier, I am well aware of that system.  But the people I
> know who have that system use it to shut off a part of the house not in
> use.

I repeat, I've never seen it used for that. The house next door
(where I got my cat from) has two zones, and I know they are
using the whole house. My friend Susan has 3 zones in her house.
And no part of it is closed off.

Karen

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> >>  But it's daunting.  What if he
> >>freaked out if left in a motel room?
> >
> > Don't leave him there.
>
>So how could I do things like eat?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Get him used to being left in the car.   I know several people here who
leave their dogs in the car because they are much happier there than left
home alone.


    --bonniev

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 9:54:56 PM, bonniev wrote:
> Get him used to being left in the car.   I know several people here who
> leave their dogs in the car because they are much happier there than left
> home alone.

What about when it's hot?

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>But that's not a problem when there's a full bath downstairs.  I can
>enjoy the upstairs while on my last legs and then move downstairs
>fulltime and not pay any attention to the upstairs again until selling
>the house to move to a nursing home.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Yup.  That's what I plan to do.   I'll bet you could afford that house if
you sold both of your houses in Starkville.


    --bonniev

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> I thought of you today, Adam, when I took a walk for the first time in a
> long time along the Shore Path in town.   Where there were icy
> stretches, I walked along the narrow ledge of the retaining wall looking
down at the
> five foot drop to the rocky shore.

GAAAAAH.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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>  bonniev wrote:
> > Get him used to being left in the car.   I know several people here who
> > leave their dogs in the car because they are much happier there than left
> > home alone.
>
>What about when it's hot?       --Karen

Oh, yeah.  I forgot about that.   It seldom gets that hot here that you
can't leave a dog in a car with the windows open.


    --bonniev

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At 4:37 PM -0800 3/22/03, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>As one text states it, "culpability requires that an actor must have
>consciousness of her criminal intention. ... Traditionally, the
>distinction has turned on whether the actor "premeditated"; the intention
>to commit murder must pass through her stream of consciousness."
>
>Bethany

And what do your texts say about the word "killing"?  After all, that's
where this whole discussion began: with assertion that there is a
difference between "killing" and "murder".  If your texts don't say
anything about "killing", then you have nothing to compare.

Ken Miller
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-and that's me for the evening. Good night, all; it's been quite a day.
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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 9:59:11 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>  bonniev wrote:
>> > Get him used to being left in the car.   I know several people here who
>> > leave their dogs in the car because they are much happier there than left
>> > home alone.
>>
>>What about when it's hot?       --Karen

> Oh, yeah.  I forgot about that.   It seldom gets that hot here that you
> can't leave a dog in a car with the windows open.

Whereas, it's mostly that hot here. Though people do it.

I just finished reading a pretty good Maine book:
http://tinyurl.com/7zdm. But it's Real Maine, set in Bangor.

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>> Not preemptive. *Preventive*. Let's appreciate the dangerousness
>> of the precedent here ...
>
>Preventative

The Lounge Lass just puked!

Ken Miller
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>I just finished reading a pretty good Maine book:
>http://tinyurl.com/7zdm. But it's Real Maine, set in Bangor.

Looks good.  I may look for it.   I was never very sure just where Real
Maine is.


    --bonniev

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 10:12:01 PM, Bookrat wrote:

>>> Not preemptive. *Preventive*. Let's appreciate the dangerousness
>>> of the precedent here ...
>>
>>Preventative

> The Lounge Lass just puked!

> Ken Miller
> Tomlinson School of Orthograpic Norms

LOL.

Thank you, thank you very much.

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02003-03-23 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> No. But this week saw a new strategy for bringing about regime change.

That strategy doesn't scale, necessarily.

> >> Nah. It's too poor and has serious problems in not just Kashmir but
> >> potentially the norteastern states.
>
> >"It's too poor"? What kind of bizarre logic is that?
>
> winning the biggest dick contest requires serious moolah.

You don't have to WIN ... just get sufficiently fat. Will
India, directly or indirectly, feed off a weapons frenzy?
Highly likely ...

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Saturday, March 22, 2003, 10:12:10 PM, bonniev wrote:

>>I just finished reading a pretty good Maine book:
>>http://tinyurl.com/7zdm. But it's Real Maine, set in Bangor.

> Looks good.  I may look for it.   I was never very sure just where Real
> Maine is.

In most ways, I think Maine is irrelevant to the book.

It's not a *great* book, but I liked it.

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>In most ways, I think Maine is irrelevant to the book.

I'm reading "Drowning Ruth" right now.  It was an Oprah pick awhile
back.  It takes place in Wisconsin, not too far from Milwaukee.  But I
recognize nothing of Wisconsin in the book.  It even takes place on a farm
in about the era that my mother was growing up on a Wisconsin
farm.   Nothing sounds familiar.

>It's not a *great* book, but I liked it.

Sometimes that's about all we get in life.


    --bonniev

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At 11:24 PM 3/22/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>In most ways, I think Maine is irrelevant to the book.
>
>I'm reading "Drowning Ruth" right now.  It was an Oprah pick awhile
>back.  It takes place in Wisconsin, not too far from Milwaukee.  But I
>recognize nothing of Wisconsin in the book.  It even takes place on a farm
>in about the era that my mother was growing up on a Wisconsin
>farm.   Nothing sounds familiar.
>
>>It's not a *great* book, but I liked it.
>
>Sometimes that's about all we get in life.

And then you die.

Betty

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What Happened to me at the Yacht Club

Warning:  I'm drunk off my ass.

So, my darling husband decides to joing a Yacht Club, which
is hysterical in and of itself.  We went to their kick-off
party this evening at Pere Marquette, which is actually a
very lovely lodge on the Illinois side of the river.  They
serve a dynamite fried chicken dinner.   I decided to dress
conservatively... black ankle-length skirt, 3/4 lengh
sleeved buttom-up silk brocade top.

The place is packed with fat old guys -- I mean more fat old
guys than I've seen at a dozen BDSM parties combined.  All
very nice, but still.  This gives me the giggle fits and I
haven't even started in on the Tom Collins.  A couple drinks
later and a guy comes up and stands next to me and ask me if
I am sober enough to read the numbers on his raffle tickets.
  Well, marginally,  He says if he wins he'll give me half.
  Meanwhile I learn that his wife is the scantily dressed
blonde *my* husband was hitting on (also giving me the
giggle fits).  Well, miracles happen and he wins the $200
jackpot and I get $100... it is good to be an English teacher.

Later on, we head to the pool.  The scantily dressed blonde
lent me a bathing suit (she's 10x better looking than I
am... what her husband was thinking I have no idea) so I
could participate in the hottubbing..... where somebody
dumped a couple bottles of Mr. Bubble.  Goodness.  Then
another fat old guy threw me in the pool.

I think it is going to be an interesting summer.

Tushar, you coming?

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>-Thanks! I attest that one can have knee pain before complete
>immobilization.

Indeed. Torn cartilage will do it every time!

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Because I'm covered in bites. And I didn't spend time outside
> yesterday.

What kind of bites?

--
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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Bella is extremely attached to me.  She can't stand to be
> separated from me for even a minute.  It's quite odd.

Isn't she the one said not to like other dogs?  How is that working out?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > Here's the color of our house - sort of intermediate - we
> > use a blue similar to this as trim:
> > http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/Dreamscape/door.jpg
>
> I love your house!  The front porch makes me want to stroll up and sit a
> spell.  I'm having trouble telling exactly what the main color of the
> house is, but I can tell I like it.  I love the blue trim.
>

It's a darker shade of gray than yours, on the blueish sided. Here are
more photos of it, if you are interested -

warning - they are imbedded in a description of an art installation piece
I want to build - just skip that stuff and hit the ".jpg" links.

<http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/Dreamscape/Dreamscape.htm>
(further disclaimer - that's not my furniture - these are the pictures
Vance took when we bought it last year).
clo

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bonniev wrote:

>>        I do indeed have campground reservations at Acadia.  --Rita
>
>
> Oh goody.   You actually got into Blackwoods Campground on the 4th of
> July ??
>


        The 4th and 5th, yep.

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On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, bonniev wrote:

> >Thanks, we are in love with it. No, I had no hand in it. We bought it 18
> >months ago, and these are the photos we took back then.
> >clo
>
> Who is "we"?   You and the soon to be ex?
>
>
>     --bonniev
>
That's us. And the two kids, and the two cats, who really enjoy ripping up
the curtains and the carpeting on the stairway.

clo

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On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>>  Or do you seriously mean that I was an invalid from May of last
>> year until I had knee surgery in October - because I walked with
>> difficulty and in pain (in Knoxville, Atlanta, Vancouver, etc.)?
>
>Yes.

We need to send Natalie a new dictionary. Or maybe teach her to use URLs.
All this time I did not know that I was "[a]n infirm or sickly person."

Double sheeesssshhhhhhhh!

Bethany

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> Alyce, I see you still don't understand. I NEVER said the name was wrong. All
> I commented on was the spelling of the WORD. Next you're going to tell me *go
> back where you came from*, I expect? Sadly, Theo

I do not think Alyce has ever said something like that to you. Thus, there's no
need to be sad nor make others sad.

Kristin

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Betty wrote:

>> > Don't leave him there.
>>
>>So how could I do things like eat?
>
>Drive through McDonald's or something

SONIC!

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I repeat, I've never seen it used for that. The house next door
> (where I got my cat from) has two zones, and I know they are
> using the whole house. My friend Susan has 3 zones in her house.
> And no part of it is closed off.

Does zone heating/cooling when used that way (i.e., when no part of the
house is closed off) save on costs, or is its main point something like
evening the comfort level -- as in not having the upstairs hotter
because of rising heat?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Bookrat wrote:

>And what do your texts say about the word "killing"?  After all, that's
>where this whole discussion began: with assertion that there is a
>difference between "killing" and "murder".  If your texts don't say
>anything about "killing", then you have nothing to compare.

What exactly do you want to know about the word? Most texts
recognize that killing results in death. What more do you want to know? I
don't understand why you have asked this question.

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:

> JEEEEZE! That's a tiny lot--43x93.

It's a perfect size -- just enough space for Spencer without extra
space.  That picture distorts the size of both the lot and the house --
makes them both look bigger than they are.  All the houses in that part
of BSL are on narrow streets with very small yards, especially very
small front yards.

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander writes,
>
> >I find it refreshingly direct, bracingly frank.
>
>  From a blog post in which I referred to this list: "... it acts very much
> like a family, with all the large and small details of life and living, and
> all the bickering and love that a family has."
> <http://www.istori.com/log/archives/00000214.html>
>
> If you can't be direct with your family, who can you be direct with?

Yes, coming from a large and extremely vocal family, I recognized it right
away. The first clue might have been seeing someone say,
"I know you are, but what am I?"

I will admit I sometimes feel like the guy(always a newbie counselor) my
father convinced to trot around the outside of a "living picture" at
summer camp (peope standing with arms outstretched as trees, crouching as
bushes and flowers, etc.). "Suddenly" deciding that the portrait needed a
title he would declaim with studied innocence, "Let's call it, 'Spring
Has Come, and the Sap is Running'".

clo

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 7:00:05 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Does zone heating/cooling when used that way (i.e., when no part of the
> house is closed off) save on costs, or is its main point something like
> evening the comfort level -- as in not having the upstairs hotter
> because of rising heat?

The main purpose of zone heating/cooling is to save costs.
Because you're not in all parts of the house all day.

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On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > I repeat, I've never seen it used for that. The house next door
> > (where I got my cat from) has two zones, and I know they are
> > using the whole house. My friend Susan has 3 zones in her house.
> > And no part of it is closed off.
>
> Does zone heating/cooling when used that way (i.e., when no part of the
> house is closed off) save on costs, or is its main point something like
> evening the comfort level -- as in not having the upstairs hotter
> because of rising heat?

I would say it is the latter, or both - it cuts the cost slightly of
getting the part of the house that's most remote to be comfortable, and
makes it easier to maintain a constant temperature, or a reasonable one.

Btw, there seem to be two definitions of "closed off" here.
In many of the zone heating houses I've seen (eg my sister's house in
Kiln), there's a door leading to the hallway all the bedrooms open into -
so, even though the rooms are in current use, there is not a lot of
airflow between them when that door is closed.

clo

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bonniev wrote:

> Get him used to being left in the car.   I know several people here who
> leave their dogs in the car because they are much happier there than left
> home alone.

That works in winter.

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bonniev wrote:
>   I'll bet you could afford that house if
> you sold both of your houses in Starkville.

I would certainly hope so.  If not, something is very much amiss in the
world of finances.  It would be pointless to sell my rental house,
though, since having the rent coming in is better.

Speaking of houses, it has recently occurred to me that I don't like the
color of my house (the house I live in) -- that gray is drab.  I'm not
about to go to the big expense of having it painted before it really
needs it (it almost needs it now, though), but I think when painting
time comes, I'm going to change the color.  I've been having fun
thinking about what to change it to.  Yellow, which is probably my
favorite house color, won't work since the houses on each side of mine
are sort of pale mustardy colors -- that's probably not a very good
description of their colors, but the colors are such that yellow
wouldn't look good between them imho.  I'm thinking now about blue --
either Williamsburg blue, which wouldn't really be all that big a change
from its current gray, or a darker, brighter blue.

Have I mentioned that the only thing wrong with my DSL line is that
BellSouth's outgoing mailserver is majorly sucky?  It works for a few
minutes, then stops working.  It has stopped again.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Whereas, it's mostly that hot here. Though people do it.

I would call the police if I saw a dog in a car without sufficient air.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> I think it is going to be an interesting summer.

Indeed.  Your life is definitely not boring!

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

>  Or do you seriously mean that I was an invalid from May of last
> year until I had knee surgery in October - because I walked with
> difficulty and in pain (in Knoxville, Atlanta, Vancouver, etc.)?

Yes.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> Btw, there seem to be two definitions of "closed off" here.

I was using it to be totally closed off -- as in doors shut and no
heating/cooling.  I do that in this house, even though it is not totally
efficient when you don't have zone heating/cooling.  In fact, some
people argue that it does no good at all -- that the central heat/ac
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I found a picture of the color blue that I'm considering for my house.
First of all, here's a picture of the current gray of my house:
http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/Rooms/front.jpg

Actually, this one of the outhouse shows the color more clearly:
http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/Rooms/driveway.jpg

Or this one:
http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/Rooms/street.jpg

Now, here's the blue I'm thinking about:
http://www.users.muohio.edu/karrowrs/College/Houses/cotton.jpg

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 7:56:37 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Because I'm covered in bites. And I didn't spend time outside
>> yesterday.

> What kind of bites?

Big ones (probably a spider bite) and little ones. What kind do
you want?

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 7:56:01 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> In fact, some
> people argue that it does no good at all -- that the central heat/ac
> will do the same thing even if you have some of the rooms closed off
> (with their vents closed).  It has been my observation, however, that it
> does help some.

I closed the vent in my guest room, but I am under no illusion
that this has an effect on my heating bill.

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 7:11:02 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Whereas, it's mostly that hot here. Though people do it.

> I would call the police if I saw a dog in a car without sufficient air.

What does that have to do with anything? When it's hot, you don't
leave animals in a car, even if the car is wide open.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > What kind of bites?
>
> Big ones (probably a spider bite) and little ones. What kind do
> you want?

I don't want any bites.  I was just wondering what kinds of things were
biting you these days.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I closed the vent in my guest room, but I am under no illusion
> that this has an effect on my heating bill.

So why did you close it?

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 8:24:00 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I closed the vent in my guest room, but I am under no illusion
>> that this has an effect on my heating bill.

> So why did you close it?

Because optimism is our nature.

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 8:37:28 AM, Betty wrote:
> I just assumed fleas.

The fleas are still sleeping, I assume. I haven't seen any fleas,
and I would, since I use a flea comb on my cat.

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On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Now, here's the blue I'm thinking about:
> http://www.users.muohio.edu/karrowrs/College/Houses/cotton.jpg
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Ooh, that is dramatic!
Here's the color of our house - sort of intermediate - we
use a blue similar to this as trim:
http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/Dreamscape/door.jpg

clo

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Karen Kay wrote:
 > >> Whereas, it's mostly that hot here. Though
people do it.
 > >  I would call the police if I saw a dog in a car
without sufficient air.
> What does that have to do with anything?
When it's hot, you don't
> leave animals in a car, even if the car is
wide open.

What does what have to do with anything?  I'm against leaving dogs in
cars in hot weather because there's always a risk that the a/c could
malfunction and the dog wouldn't be able to do anything about it.  But
I have done it on occasion for very short times -- like running into a
store for a couple of minutes.  I would certainly not do that without
leaving the a/c running.
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At 12:19 AM 3/23/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>What Happened to me at the Yacht Club

LOL.  I'm glad you are coming to AcadiaFest.  Did you make reservations yet?

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> I think I said way back before getting Spencer that my next dog would be
> introduced to travel -- to staying in motels etc.  But I haven't done
> that.  I guess maybe I should try it.  But it's daunting.  What if he
> freaked out if left in a motel room?


        Vinnie enjoys travel.  I just crate him in the room.  But,
then again, I'm an astonishingly cruel dog owner for using
those little cages.  I almost never leave him in the car.

        Oh, Cinderella went to a new home already -- with Anna.  I
doggy sit her other Irish all the time, so I'm comforted by
the thought that Cinderella will come to visit because I was
getting very attached to her.

        Bella is extremely attached to me.  She can't stand to be
separated from me for even a minute.  It's quite odd.

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Betty wrote:

> At 12:19 AM 3/23/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> What Happened to me at the Yacht Club
>
>
> LOL.  I'm glad you are coming to AcadiaFest.  Did you make reservations
> yet?


        Will there be fat old guys?

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At 09:00 AM 3/23/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>
>>I think I said way back before getting Spencer that my next dog would be
>>introduced to travel -- to staying in motels etc.  But I haven't done
>>that.  I guess maybe I should try it.  But it's daunting.  What if he
>>freaked out if left in a motel room?
>
>
>        Vinnie enjoys travel.  I just crate him in the room.  But,
>then again, I'm an astonishingly cruel dog owner for using
>those little cages.  I almost never leave him in the car.
>
>        Oh, Cinderella went to a new home already -- with Anna.  I
>doggy sit her other Irish all the time, so I'm comforted by
>the thought that Cinderella will come to visit because I was
>getting very attached to her.

But, but,  you already gave her to ME.

Betty

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At 09:01 AM 3/23/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
>>At 12:19 AM 3/23/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>What Happened to me at the Yacht Club
>>
>>
>>LOL.  I'm glad you are coming to AcadiaFest.  Did you make reservations
>>yet?
>
>
>        Will there be fat old guys?

Wordslers.  Same thing?

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> At 09:01 AM 3/23/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> Betty wrote:
>>
>>> At 12:19 AM 3/23/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>> What Happened to me at the Yacht Club
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL.  I'm glad you are coming to AcadiaFest.  Did you make reservations
>>> yet?
>>
>>
>>
>>        Will there be fat old guys?
>
>
> Wordslers.  Same thing?


        Yes, I'm afeared.

        I do indeed have campground reservations at Acadia.  But I
think my ill-gotten $100 will be long gone by then.  I have
a feeling I'll be supplying that guy with beer all summer.
Hope he has a nice boat.

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At 07:31 AM 3/23/2003 -0800, Larry Clark wrote:
> >> At 12:19 AM 3/23/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >        Will there be fat old guys?
>
>Me
>
>Larry

Will you buy me beer?

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At 07:21 PM 3/22/2003 -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:

>Things are turning ugly at my place of employment.  We have [[[[ a jackass
>HR ]]]]
>director, a new one;

I spent my entire career believeing that that term was a redundancy

>and the biggest honcho, somebody I would work for to
>be president of the US, seriously, is leaving, to be replaced by one of
>two types you'd expect in a large law firm.  Already my very own boss is
>acquiring stupid jargon and snappy acronyms.  Like RAP:  that stands for
>let me try to remember - - - for Responsibility, Accessibility, and
>Performance.  I think.
>
>This is thoroughly disgusting.  My Firm used to be relatively free of this
>kind of crap.

Welcome to the 21st century.

cwv

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-22 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> > Yes, it is. And those cute names I've read suck.

> It's odd, but somehow it's the ex-Soviet people around here who
> bristle immediately at names like "Iraqi Freedom Campaign" etc.

With "around here" you mean around there where you live, not in words-l,
I suppose?

As an answer to your thinking it's odd: It is because they've heard too
much empty words.

Kristin

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > > You-u, stupid girl!!!
> >
> > Glad to see that re developing your skills you've got a huge potential,
> > Tushar ;-)
>
> Sometimes I think, all I need is a few sober days ...

Don't you think that would diminish it?

Kristin

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 9:59:40 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> The front of the house looks to be just one story high. If it has a
> cathedral ceiling (i.e., two stories high),

A cathedral ceiling isn't two stories high. I mean, I have
cathedral ceilings, and no way is my house as high as the house
next door. They add an extra 8 feet maybe.

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Betty:
= At 07:31 AM 3/23/2003 -0800, Larry Clark wrote:
= > >> At 12:19 AM 3/23/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
= >
= > >        Will there be fat old guys?
= >
= >Me
= >
= >Larry
=
= Will you buy me beer?

Can't you guys do that in private?  Geez.

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>> At 12:19 AM 3/23/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        Will there be fat old guys?

Me

Larry

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bonniev wrote:
>
> You are up late, alyce.   Do you and your sister watch movies from NetFlix
> like you and Ken did?

We were watching a DVD, yes. We are watching the original BBC Forsyte
Saga. Berta never saw it, and I loved it and am happy to see it again.
Just stopped at the computer between brushing my teeth and going to bed.
>
> Where would you go if you left your big old farm house?   Any plans?

I am much in demand by children and sister. I don't want to leave and am
distressed at the thought. Let's not talk about it just now, OK?

alyce

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>out why I am thought to use inflammatory words.  To me, somebody who has
>trouble climbing stairs in his/her 40s is an invalid.  I don't intend to
>be inflaming in saying so.  I simply consider that a fact.

Natalie, give us a break! You know more than that about the English
language. Or do you seriously mean that I was an invalid from May of last
year until I had knee surgery in October - because I walked with
difficulty and in pain (in Knoxville, Atlanta, Vancouver, etc.)? Or maybe
I was not a invalid because I am not in my 40s. Does one have to be in
one's 40s to be an invalid because of knee problems?

Sheeessssh.....

Bethany

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= could participate in the hottubbing..... where somebody
= dumped a couple bottles of Mr. Bubble.  Goodness.  Then
= another fat old guy threw me in the pool.
=
= I think it is going to be an interesting summer.
=

For some reason this reminds me of when I walked past the grade
school the other day and the parents were dropping off their kids
for school.  The place was an absolute meat market.

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>        I do indeed have campground reservations at Acadia.  --Rita

Oh goody.   You actually got into Blackwoods Campground on the 4th of July ??


    --bonniev

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>>Oh goody.   You actually got into Blackwoods Campground on the 4th of
>>July ??
>        The 4th and 5th, yep.

YaY !!


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

>>> Oh goody.   You actually got into Blackwoods Campground on the 4th of
>>> July ??
>>
>>        The 4th and 5th, yep.
>
>
> YaY !!
>

        I agree!

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At 07:40 AM 03/23/2003 -0800, Betty wrote:

>Will you buy me beer?

Give me $100

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> Here's the color of our house - sort of intermediate - we
> use a blue similar to this as trim:
> http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/Dreamscape/door.jpg

I love your house!  The front porch makes me want to stroll up and sit a
spell.  I'm having trouble telling exactly what the main color of the
house is, but I can tell I like it.  I love the blue trim.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> A cathedral ceiling isn't two stories high. I mean, I have
> cathedral ceilings, and no way is my house as high as the house
> next door. They add an extra 8 feet maybe.

Perhaps there are no rules. I only think of cathedral ceilings as being
about 20 feet high.

alyce


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At 04:59 PM 3/23/2003 +0100, steph wrote:
>= could participate in the hottubbing..... where somebody
>= dumped a couple bottles of Mr. Bubble.  Goodness.  Then
>= another fat old guy threw me in the pool.
>=
>= I think it is going to be an interesting summer.
>=
>
>For some reason this reminds me of when I walked past the grade
>school the other day and the parents were dropping off their kids
>for school.  The place was an absolute meat market.

??

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On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

> Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > Can't you put a shower on the first floor anywhere?
>
> Don't know where. It would be major and the only likely place would be
> in the library. Would hate to rip apart by custom-built bookshelves and
> cabinets. In fine weather, I can shower under the garden hose.
>
> alyce
>
That would be my pick even in winter, over disturbing a library!

Do you have anything like an understairs closet, or perhaps a basement
with 2 entrances? (If you don't need to go down there often, and have a
set of storm stairs that workmen can come in, maybe you could convert the
internal stairway space into a shower - just leave the stairs underneath,
and build a platform over them to hold the bathroom - we did that for my
grandfather, and my parents use it now).

 clo

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Because I'm covered in bites. And I didn't spend time outside
yesterday.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> I asked because electric heat around here will bankrupt most people
> pretty quickly.

That's always been the attitude here also.  But gas is galloping upward
at an alarming pace.  And there's a significant difference between here
and the coast in how much heat would be needed.

> > There is a second floor on the back of the house.  The front of the
> > house goes all the way up -- as in cathedral ceiling.
>
> The front of the house looks to be just one story high. If it has a
> cathedral ceiling (i.e., two stories high), then the back part if three
> stories high? I don't get it, unless we are talking about different
> cathedral ceilings than I know.

Oops.  Why did I write that?  It's not what I meant at all.  The front
is one story, the back two stories.  But there is a cathedralish feeling
involved in how the stairs go up.  I can't remember it well enough now
to describe it.  Guess I need to go back to BSL.

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Betty wrote:

> >= another fat old guy threw me in the pool.

> >school the other day and the parents were dropping off their kids
> >for school.  The place was an absolute meat market.
>
> ??

Just inflammatory language at work.

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On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, steph wrote:
> For some reason this reminds me of when I walked past the grade
> school the other day and the parents were dropping off their kids
> for school.  The place was an absolute meat market.

The parents, or the kids?

Ann

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On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, bonniev wrote:

> >Here's the color of our house - sort of intermediate - we
> >use a blue similar to this as trim:
> >http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/Dreamscape/door.jpg
> >clo
>
> Wow.  That's pretty.   Did you do the red trim on the pillars
> yourself?   It takes a steady hand.  The wood screen door is gorgeous.
>
>
>     --bonniev
>

Thanks, we are in love with it. No, I had no hand in it. We bought it 18
months ago, and these are the photos we took back then.

clo

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> Do you have anything like an understairs closet,

YEs, but it is adjacecnt to the library--you'd have to destroy the
library to use it.

> or perhaps a basement with 2 entrances?

Just one entrance, and I can't get down there anyway. Don't know if you
know, clo, that I am on oxygen and only can go 50' in any direction.

alyce

Nope.

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>Thanks, we are in love with it. No, I had no hand in it. We bought it 18
>months ago, and these are the photos we took back then.
>clo

Who is "we"?   You and the soon to be ex?


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
  But there is a cathedralish feeling
> involved in how the stairs go up.

The realtor says cathedral ceiling. You didn't say it.

alyce

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Here's a very nice Inn in Bar Harbor, painted somewhat like your house,
clo.   http://www.primroseinn.com/   The third color on the pillars isn't
red, though.



    --bonniev

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Ann Borkin:
= On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, steph wrote:
= > For some reason this reminds me of when I walked past the grade
= > school the other day and the parents were dropping off their kids
= > for school.  The place was an absolute meat market.
=
= The parents, or the kids?
=

The parents.  They were all 20-somethings.  I felt SO OLD!

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= >for school.  The place was an absolute meat market.
=
= ??

The parents were all flirting with each other.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> << Thank you, too. This kind of explanations all again help me to get more to
> know about
> ways of thinking, or mentalities. The more I get to know the more interesting
> it is
> to learn something additional again. That was why I asked.
>
> Kristin
>  >>
>
> Kristin, I'll tell you something that has happened to me on several
> occasions. That's people telling me when I commented on something, not
> necessarily criticizing mind you, to go back where I came from. At the time,
> not fully knowing yet, that this was common practice here, it hurt me. But
> over the years, I've gotten used to it, and can ignore it! Theo

Theo, honestly, I do not like the way you often criticize things here. -- And
I've said it earlier, telling you that there's is a difference whether to be
critical or just say: you, Americans are all like that and that. One may be
critical towards everything, yet I never think it right to insult anybody saying
that their land is good for nothing. You live there, right? It must have its
reasons. At some moment it was better for you to move there instead of staying in
Netherlands. The *way* you tend to criticize the US here is like criticizing
somebody's family which I'd never approve either -- telling another person that
his/her brother is silly or mother is bad, or...

When you have better periods, I understand you're not a mean person, but actually
you may be quite tender and nice. That's why I keep reading your post, too. But
it is just sad to read all your unreasonable accusations here.

Sorry. I'd rather say something nicer to you, but it is difficult when answering
this very post of yours. Still, I wish you happier life than you are compelled to
live, and hope that your happiness will reflect in your messages as well.

Kristin

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> That's people telling me when I commented on something, not
> necessarily criticizing mind you, to go back where I came from.

I see, my recent post as an answer to this was not exactly on the issue. For I
started my tirade about the way you have criticized matters. Sorry. But maybe the
point is that your comments may tend to be hurting?

Wishing you better times, anyway,
Kristin

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On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, bonniev wrote:

> Here's a very nice Inn in Bar Harbor, painted somewhat like your house,
> clo.   http://www.primroseinn.com/   The third color on the pillars isn't
> red, though.
>
>
>
>     --bonniev
>

That is nice, isn't it? The "Painted Ladies" sort of trim pairings really
are very effective.
clo

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> warning - they are imbedded in a description of an art installation piece
> I want to build - just skip that stuff and hit the ".jpg" links.
>
> <http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/Dreamscape/Dreamscape.htm>

Fun!  Do you like your claw-foot bathtub?  I've thought at times about
getting one.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> The realtor says cathedral ceiling. You didn't say it.

Oh.  I thought I had maybe said it.  Anyway, I remember a feeling of
<height> in the front of the house.  Don't remember exactly what created
it.

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At 08:19 AM 3/23/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Sunday, March 23, 2003, 7:56:37 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >> Because I'm covered in bites. And I didn't spend time outside
> >> yesterday.
>
> > What kind of bites?
>
>Big ones (probably a spider bite) and little ones. What kind do
>you want?

I just assumed fleas.

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At 09:01 AM 3/23/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        Will there be fat old guys?

The Shriners are a principal component of the parade on the Fourth (they
bring their noisy, tiny cars, too).

cwv

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Why?  Here one normally eschews electric heat since gas heat has
> traditionally been cheaper,

I asked because electric heat around here will bankrupt most people
pretty quickly.
> >
> There is a second floor on the back of the house.  The front of the
> house goes all the way up -- as in cathedral ceiling.

The front of the house looks to be just one story high. If it has a
cathedral ceiling (i.e., two stories high), then the back part if three
stories high? I don't get it, unless we are talking about different
cathedral ceilings than I know.

alyce

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Case in point. :-)

Huh?

Bethany

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>Here's the color of our house - sort of intermediate - we
>use a blue similar to this as trim:
>http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/Dreamscape/door.jpg
>clo

Wow.  That's pretty.   Did you do the red trim on the pillars
yourself?   It takes a steady hand.  The wood screen door is gorgeous.


    --bonniev

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
> Can't you put a shower on the first floor anywhere?

Don't know where. It would be major and the only likely place would be
in the library. Would hate to rip apart by custom-built bookshelves and
cabinets. In fine weather, I can shower under the garden hose.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> I found a picture of the color blue

None of them looks blue on my monitor.

alyce

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Here are some pictures of new pots -- the one by the front door I got
yesterday at the co-op, the two big ones in the ugly spot I got at
Lowe's in my mid-travel zip through Columbus, and the Rubbermaid storage
thing as pot was an idea I had at Wmart yesterday.  (The little pot in
front of the Rubbermaid thing is leftover winter violas that will no
doubt be withering within the next month or so.)

http://www.maynor.net/Pots/

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On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > warning - they are imbedded in a description of an art installation piece
> > I want to build - just skip that stuff and hit the ".jpg" links.
> >
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>
> Fun!  Do you like your claw-foot bathtub?  I've thought at times about
> getting one.
>

Yep!
With my bad knee, it helps a lot to have something to hold on to.
And of course, I grew up with one, so it feels familiar.
clo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
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> Here are some pictures of new pots

They work for me.
alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Bella is extremely attached to me.  She can't stand to be
>>separated from me for even a minute.  It's quite odd.
>>
>
> Isn't she the one said not to like other dogs?  How is that working out?
>


        She is OK with other dogs unless they get near me.  I'm
getting it sorted out.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Here are some pictures of new pots -- the one by the front door I got
> yesterday at the co-op,

I like this one, at the front door.

And I like your dwarf purple fountaingrass, too.

Kristin

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> Yep!
> With my bad knee, it helps a lot to have something to hold on to.
> And of course, I grew up with one, so it feels familiar.

I noticed a shower curtain in the picture.  Do you use the shower?
Although I know it's done, I've never been sure how well showers work
with claw-foot tubs.

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alyce cresap wrote:
> > Here are some pictures of new pots
>
> They work for me.

Thank you.  I think things will look much better once the plants are
bigger and prettier -- especially after the Purple Majesties are doing
their thing instead of sitting there just looking like some springs of
grass.

I found out that the co-op sells gravel -- that I don't have to go out
and steal it near Furbabies.

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On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > or perhaps a basement with 2 entrances?
>
> Just one entrance, and I can't get down there anyway. Don't know if you
> know, clo, that I am on oxygen and only can go 50' in any direction.
>
> alyce

I probably signed on after that was discussed, but I assumed that not
being able to go upstairs meant not being able to go downstairs either.
That's why I was suggesting building a platform across the stairwell,
blocking it off, to make another room.

Sorry to add to the list of things that won't work :(

clo

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> I like this one, at the front door.

Thanks.  I fell in love with that one when I saw it a week or two ago
and went back yesterday and bought it.  I was hesitant because it was
godawfully expensive.  When I got it home, though, I found that it
didn't look right in the place I had bought it for (where the Rubbermaid
thing now is).  So I fiddled around and moved the pot that was by the
front door (not included in these pictures -- sitting on my side steps
now) and put the new pot there.

> And I like your dwarf purple fountaingrass, too.

I think I'm really going to like it when it gets bigger.  I love purple
fountaingrass.  The dwarf gets only a foot or so tall (oops -- what's
that in centimeters?), which I thought might be good beside the fence.
I got just two of them yesterday but maybe should get some more.  I've
got the two of them sitting there amidst daylilies.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > I like this one, at the front door.
>
>   I was hesitant because it was
> godawfully expensive.

It looks like that :-)

> > And I like your dwarf purple fountaingrass, too.
>
> I think I'm really going to like it when it gets bigger.  I love purple
> fountaingrass.  The dwarf gets only a foot or so tall (oops -- what's
> that in centimeters?),

about 33 cm, if I'm not mistaken.

I do not know that plant, and I couldn't see purple on the picture (will it
be of that colour later on?). But plants that look like bunches of grass,
still being different, are interesting.

Kristin

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=
= I noticed a shower curtain in the picture.  Do you use the shower?
= Although I know it's done, I've never been sure how well showers work
= with claw-foot tubs.
=

Patrick used to have one in his old house.  It works fine.

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On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > Yep!
> > With my bad knee, it helps a lot to have something to hold on to.
> > And of course, I grew up with one, so it feels familiar.
>
> I noticed a shower curtain in the picture.  Do you use the shower?
> Although I know it's done, I've never been sure how well showers work
> with claw-foot tubs.
>

This one works just fine - I have seen others that got the floor wet
behind and before, but ours is very well behaved. I wish we had a picture
of the TP holder - it's the most convenient and easy-to-use I have ever
met!
clo

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> This one works just fine - I have seen others that got the floor wet
> behind and before, but ours is very well behaved.

My shower in the big bathroom gets my floor wet -- because of the wimply
little showerhead thing I put on it that flops around at odd angles.
I've started using the other bathroom for showers and the big one for
baths.  I really like the Japanese system, whether you follow their bath
rules or not -- the drain in the floor.  I've also seen that in some
European hotels.  It makes good sense.

> I wish we had a picture
> of the TP holder - it's the most convenient and easy-to-use I have ever
> met!

Take a picture!  What makes it convenient and easy to use?  Is it like
Adam's?

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> >   I was hesitant because it was
> > godawfully expensive.
>
> It looks like that :-)

It looks like some kind of fancy mud-like clay but is actually the
light-weight stuff.

> I do not know that plant, and I couldn't see purple on the picture (will it
> be of that colour later on?). But plants that look like bunches of grass,
> still being different, are interesting.

Here's a picture of some full-sized purple fountain grass (as opposed to
dwarf, which mine is):

http://www.bio.upenn.edu/media/graphics/facilities/greenhouse/biopond/summer02/purplefountaingrass.jpg

....
Just found a picture of some dwarf:
http://www.pernellgerver.com/dwarfpurplefountaingrass.htm

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I've got to leave for a symphony chorus concert.  I'd rather sit in my
backyard and admire the day, but I feel obligated to go.  <sigh>.
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= baths.  I really like the Japanese system, whether you follow their bath
= rules or not -- the drain in the floor.  I've also seen that in some
= European hotels.  It makes good sense.
=

This doesn't work very well if the floor is not slanted right.

steph of the possibly sinking house
(that or the clogged drain, I hope)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> It looks like some kind of fancy mud-like clay but is actually the
> light-weight stuff.

This is a kind of disappointment, but if it looks as good in real as on the photo it is a nice thing
anyway.

> Here's a picture of some full-sized purple fountain grass (as opposed to
> dwarf, which mine is):
>
> http://www.bio.upenn.edu/media/graphics/facilities/greenhouse/biopond/summer02/purplefountaingrass.jpg

Wow, it *is* beautiful. Simple and beautiful.

> Just found a picture of some dwarf:
> http://www.pernellgerver.com/dwarfpurplefountaingrass.htm

And as nice it is.

Kristin

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>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > How can people stand to watch this war stuff on tv?  I watched the 5:30
> > news and can't shake the images from my head, especially the one of that
> > man shaking his fist and saying, "Thank you, Mr. Bush, for taking my
> > only son."

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 4:15:39 PM, John Williams wrote:

>>
>> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>> > How can people stand to watch this war stuff on tv?  I watched the 5:30
>> > news and can't shake the images from my head, especially the one of that
>> > man shaking his fist and saying, "Thank you, Mr. Bush, for taking my
>> > only son."

Did this escape prematurely? What's your comment?

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> This is a kind of disappointment, but if it looks as good in real as on the photo it is a nice thing
> anyway.

There's no way you can tell by looking at it that it isn't heavy.  I
reached for one of them at the co-op to see whether it was too heavy for
me to pick up and was amazed when it came hopping right up.

> Wow, it *is* beautiful. Simple and beautiful.

I discovered it last summer -- admiring it in a neighbor's yard.  The
problem is that it's an annual here.  I've been watching that neighbor's
dead fountain grass this spring thinking that maybe it will come back to
life, but it's still deader than a doornail.  It's a perennial a couple
of zones south of here.  If I move to Bay St. Louis, I could have it as
a perennial.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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whimsy wrote:
>
> = baths.  I really like the Japanese system, whether you follow their bath
> = rules or not -- the drain in the floor.  I've also seen that in some
> = European hotels.  It makes good sense.
> =
>
> This doesn't work very well if the floor is not slanted right.

True.  Just chopping a drain into the middle of any old floor wouldn't
be a good idea.

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 4:52:58 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I discovered it last summer -- admiring it in a neighbor's yard.  The
> problem is that it's an annual here.  I've been watching that neighbor's
> dead fountain grass this spring thinking that maybe it will come back to
> life, but it's still deader than a doornail.  It's a perennial a couple
> of zones south of here.  If I move to Bay St. Louis, I could have it as
> a perennial.

It's a perennial here, I'm pretty sure. (I'm in 8b.)

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> > How can people stand to watch this war stuff on tv?  I watched the 5:30
> >> > news and can't shake the images from my head, especially the one of that
> >> > man shaking his fist and saying, "Thank you, Mr. Bush, for taking my
> >> > only son."
>
> Did this escape prematurely? What's your comment?

    Yes, it did. One, you're assuming the man in question even has a son, and
furthermore that the supposed son is in the service.  And as for the "taking",
that means he must be the lone draftee in an all-volunteer armed forces, doesn't
it?
    Anyway, I think they could all do more good if they just eliminated
homelessness by holding hands.  It worked before...

JMW

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The following URL refers to a TV programme I watched this evening.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent/2864967.stm

Is this happening widely in the US ?

Roy

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > of zones south of here.  If I move to Bay St. Louis, I could have it as
> > a perennial.
>
> It's a perennial here, I'm pretty sure. (I'm in 8b.)

I was thinking you were maybe in 9.  I've read that it's a perennial in
9-11, but I would guess that it might squeak by in 8b.  I'm in 7b.
Hmm.  I just checked a zone map and see that Bay St. Louis is 8b, not 9.

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Yet another TV programme about the Blair and the mess he
is heading towards/through.

I have no idea how long it takes to download through
the link on the right side of the page. The programme is
about 45 mins.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/2858047.stm

Roy

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Roy Jaques wrote:
>
> Is this happening widely in the US ?

Yes. If schools won't let recruiters in, they lose their government
money. And then, despite GWB's slogan, some children are left behind.

alyce

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 5:09:20 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > of zones south of here.  If I move to Bay St. Louis, I could have it as
>> > a perennial.
>>
>> It's a perennial here, I'm pretty sure. (I'm in 8b.)

> I was thinking you were maybe in 9.

Nope. It gets down into the teens here. Houston is 9a, I think.

> Hmm.  I just checked a zone map and see that Bay St. Louis is 8b, not 9.

What it often means is that if you sweat over it for a few years,
once it gets firmly established, it will be okay.

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 5:01:53 PM, John Williams wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> >> > How can people stand to watch this war stuff on tv?  I watched the 5:30
>> >> > news and can't shake the images from my head, especially the one of that
>> >> > man shaking his fist and saying, "Thank you, Mr. Bush, for taking my
>> >> > only son."
>>
>> Did this escape prematurely? What's your comment?

>     Yes, it did. One, you're assuming the man in question even has a son, and
> furthermore that the supposed son is in the service.  And as for the "taking",
> that means he must be the lone draftee in an all-volunteer armed forces, doesn't
> it?

Was this an American man?

My brother is a volunteer, too, even more so because he's in the
National Guard. And I'd still rail at Bush if he were killed.

>     Anyway, I think they could all do more good if they just eliminated
> homelessness by holding hands.  It worked before...

When was this?

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Roy Jaques wrote:
>
> The following URL refers to a TV programme I watched this evening.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent/2864967.stm
>
> Is this happening widely in the US ?

I've read that it's happening, but I don't know much about it.  Rita
probably knows more.

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John Williams wrote:
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>     Yes, it did. One, you're assuming the man in question even has a son, and
> furthermore that the supposed son is in the service.

He had a son who was in the service and who was killed. I saw him the
next day and he apologized--he said he had been upset the day before
(understandably).

alyce

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02003-03-23 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> > > > You-u, stupid girl!!!
> > >
> > > Glad to see that re developing your skills you've got a huge potential,
> > > Tushar ;-)
> >
> > Sometimes I think, all I need is a few sober days ...
>
> Don't you think that would diminish it?

And at other times I think, you are the only one who understands me ...

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John Williams wrote:
>
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > >> > How can people stand to watch this war stuff on tv?  I watched the 5:30
> > >> > news and can't shake the images from my head, especially the one of that
> > >> > man shaking his fist and saying, "Thank you, Mr. Bush, for taking my
> > >> > only son."
> >
> > Did this escape prematurely? What's your comment?
>
>     Yes, it did. One, you're assuming the man in question even has a son, and
> furthermore that the supposed son is in the service.

According to the tv people he was the father of one of the first
soldiers to die.  Perhaps he was really just a random stranger that the
tv network hired to masquerade as the grieving parent.

> And as for the "taking",
> that means he must be the lone draftee in an all-volunteer armed forces, doesn't
> it?

I didn't interpret it that way.  I interpreted it as a father grieving
his son's death and wishing Bush hadn't insisted on this war.  But you
are welcome to your own interpretation.

>     Anyway, I think they could all do more good if they just eliminated
> homelessness by holding hands.  It worked before...

Huh?  You lost me here.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >>        At least now we know who is for the war.  I was confused
> >>about that since everyone I know is against it.
> >>
> >
> > Bonnie has said she's for it.  I don't remember whether JMW has said it
> > directly, but I think he's for it.  So that's two more people you know.
>
>         I run in reasonably intelligent circles, I guess.  I didn't
> thing of JMW, probably because he seems to be for any sort
> of thing military action.  Or at least I can't think of one
> he's been against.

    There are some people on this <service> who are as full of shit as a
mining-camp four-holer on Sunday morning.

JMW

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When Iraq was invaded I was in Switzerland and the only
news programme which was constantly covering the "events"
was CNN.

It struck me how the presenters were getting excited by
it all and to the exclusion of all other news. I ended
buying a French language newspaper to find out the
Champions League football results the next morning.

Roy

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02003-03-23 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-03-22 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> > > Yes, it is. And those cute names I've read suck.
>
> > It's odd, but somehow it's the ex-Soviet people around here who
> > bristle immediately at names like "Iraqi Freedom Campaign" etc.
>
> With "around here" you mean around there where you live, not in words-l,
> I suppose?

Yes.

> As an answer to your thinking it's odd: It is because they've heard too
> much empty words.

No, I also think they recognize them faster and have "associations"

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02003-03-22 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > "Of course" is not pompous. It's a way of saying, I want to tell
> > you this, but not in a way presuming you don't know it--you might
> > very well know it, and anyway knowing it is no big deal. What's
> > that, a compression ratio of 20:1, BORKIN?
>
> Well the way -I- was using it was ironic.

The age of irony is so over .. BORKIN!

>                                         I was It was a way of saying I
> am announcing that I presume you know it just to raise the question of
> whether you know it and suggest that you fucking DON'T.
>
> Some people use "as you know" like this - you can tell they don't think
> you know it, but you ought to know it, and they feel safe rubbing it in
> that you don't know it, because they've said you know it!

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02003-03-22 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Saturday, March 22, 2003, 9:07:13 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >> I mentioned to one neighbor who's in her 40's that I bought my
> >> house because it was 1 story, and she said that her knees ache
> >> from the steps in her house sometimes.
>
> > Way weird, imho.  I don't know all that many invalids who are only in
> > their 40s.
>
> This is a perfect example of the way you use inflammatory speech,
> by introducing the term 'invalid' into a conversation where it
> wasn't.

Well, get immune already ..

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02003-03-23 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> >-Thanks! I attest that one can have knee pain before complete
> >immobilization.
>
> Indeed. Torn cartilage will do it every time!

If you read "torn cartilage" as "corn tortilla" ... what are the
odds you are hungry?

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 5:23:15 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> If you read "torn cartilage" as "corn tortilla" ... what are the
> odds you are hungry?

Pretty good.

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02003-03-23 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, steph wrote:
> > For some reason this reminds me of when I walked past the grade
> > school the other day and the parents were dropping off their kids
> > for school.  The place was an absolute meat market.
>
> The parents, or the kids?

The parents, of course, BORKIN! Are you in a suburb? Walk over to
"soccer practice" some time ...

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Karen Kay wrote:

> What it often means is that if you sweat over it for a few years,
> once it gets firmly established, it will be okay.

I can see how something not considered hardy in a particular zone would
make it through certain winters.  This past one would not have been one
of them in my zone.  But we don't get down into single digits every
winter for sure.  In fact, we don't get into single digits most
winters.  I'm guessing that some winters we might not even get down to
the teens, although I'm not sure of that.

--
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-03-23 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> I found a picture of the color blue that I'm considering for my house.
> First of all, here's a picture of the current gray of my house:
> http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/Rooms/front.jpg
>
> Actually, this one of the outhouse shows the color more clearly:
> http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/Rooms/driveway.jpg
>
> Or this one:
> http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/Rooms/street.jpg
>
> Now, here's the blue I'm thinking about:
> http://www.users.muohio.edu/karrowrs/College/Houses/cotton.jpg

Thanks for choosing a different shade. You house will still be
a rectangular blue and white wooden box with sloping roof, but
at least it will be a different shade of blue!

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> According to the tv people he was the father of one of the first
> soldiers to die.

    That's the proof, a statement by a talking hairdo?  Or are they taking the
demonstrator's word unchallenged?

> Perhaps he was really just a random stranger that the
> tv network hired to masquerade as the grieving parent.

    Inasmuch as they have a record of falsifying data - food additive scares, rigging
phony crash and rollover tests, and hiring actors to give translations bogus accents -
I would not put it past them.

> > And as for the "taking",
> > that means he must be the lone draftee in an all-volunteer armed forces, doesn't
> > it?
>
> I didn't interpret it that way.  I interpreted it as a father grieving
> his son's death and wishing Bush hadn't insisted on this war.  But you
> are welcome to your own interpretation.

    If this is true, which I doubt, then I am sorry.

> >     Anyway, I think they could all do more good if they just eliminated
> > homelessness by holding hands.  It worked before...
>
> Huh?  You lost me here.

    Short Attention Span Theater brings you "Hands Across America".

JMW

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02003-03-23 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Now, here's the blue I'm thinking about:
> > http://www.users.muohio.edu/karrowrs/College/Houses/cotton.jpg
>
> Ooh, that is dramatic!
> Here's the color of our house - sort of intermediate - we
> use a blue similar to this as trim:
> http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/Dreamscape/door.jpg

Where do you live? Because in many suburbs over here, this
sort of thing would get zoned out immediately.

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John Williams wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>       At least now we know who is for the war.  I was confused
>>>>about that since everyone I know is against it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Bonnie has said she's for it.  I don't remember whether JMW has said it
>>>directly, but I think he's for it.  So that's two more people you know.
>>>
>>        I run in reasonably intelligent circles, I guess.  I didn't
>>thing of JMW, probably because he seems to be for any sort
>>of thing military action.  Or at least I can't think of one
>>he's been against.
>>
>
>     There are some people on this <service> who are as full of shit as a
> mining-camp four-holer on Sunday morning.


        Tee hee.  And which military action have you been against?  I
just don't remember one.  You must like peace sometimes.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Was this an American man?

He appeared to be.  He was a middle-aged black man speaking American
English.

> >     Anyway, I think they could all do more good if they just eliminated
> > homelessness by holding hands.  It worked before...
>
> When was this?

I still don't understand JMW's sentence.  They who?  More good than
what?  I fear that my brain has died totally.  Maybe it's the fumes from
the stinky carpet smell at Trinity Presbyterian Church, where I went to
a concert this afternoon.  Every time I'm in that church, I'm amused at
a sign in a certain section labeling it "scent free" since the whole
room reeks of some kind mildewy smell.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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John Williams wrote:

>     There are some people on this <service> who are as full of shit as a
> mining-camp four-holer on Sunday morning.

I am glad you're home, JMW.  We've missed you.

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02003-03-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, March 23, 2003, 5:23:15 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > If you read "torn cartilage" as "corn tortilla" ... what are the
> > odds you are hungry?
>
> Pretty good.

Thank you for the update, K-R-N.

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Roy Jaques wrote:

> It struck me how the presenters were getting excited by
> it all and to the exclusion of all other news.

The regular (first/home/whatever) page of cnn.com is now 100% war.  You
have to click on something like "other news" to get to anything else.

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Oh, yes.  As the article implies, the practice primarily
affects impoverished schools, but all schools have to
provide the names and addresses to the recruiters.  Webster
Groves is an affluent community, and we don't have ROTC or
anything like that, but when I was in the City schools, ROTC
was all over the place.  I get military recruiting letters
for the girls all the time.

The No Child Left Behind thing is absolute horseshit.

Roy Jaques wrote:

> The following URL refers to a TV programme I watched this evening.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent/2864967.stm
>
> Is this happening widely in the US ?
>
> Roy
>

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The evil twins have been taken off the the "Best of 2003"
page to ward off contamination, and the evil TRIPLETS have
been given their own quarantined page! Check it out *right*
*now* at <http://words-l.org/bestof03-2.html>!

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I keep thinking that this is too good to be true and that the problems
are going to start again, but there's an outside chance that I've solved
the problem I was having with outgoing mail -- the problem I was blaming
on mail.bellsouth.net.  I looked at my Zone Alarm screen a little while
ago and saw lots of instances of blocked outgoing mail, so I tried
turning off Zone Alarm (which I don't think I really need with a
hardware firewall anyway, do I?).  Everything has worked smoothly since
then.

But why would the problem have been only with outgoing mail when I was
connected via the DSL line?  What I've done a zillion times since this
problem has been growing more and more frequent is change my settings to
smtp.msstate.edu, dial the MSU terminal server, and squirt out the
mail.  No problem at all.

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 5:32:53 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Sunday, March 23, 2003, 5:23:15 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > If you read "torn cartilage" as "corn tortilla" ... what are the
>> > odds you are hungry?
>>
>> Pretty good.

> Thank you for the update, K-R-N.

You can't faze me, Tushie. I am Feeling Good because I have a
date with *ar* next week!

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02003-03-23 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> What Happened to me at the Yacht Club
>
> Warning:  I'm drunk off my ass.
>
> So, my darling husband decides to joing a Yacht Club, which
> is hysterical in and of itself.  We went to their kick-off
> party this evening at Pere Marquette, which is actually a
> very lovely lodge on the Illinois side of the river.  They
> serve a dynamite fried chicken dinner.   I decided to dress
> conservatively... black ankle-length skirt, 3/4 lengh
> sleeved buttom-up silk brocade top.
>
> The place is packed with fat old guys -- I mean more fat old
> guys than I've seen at a dozen BDSM parties combined.  All
> very nice, but still.  This gives me the giggle fits and I
> haven't even started in on the Tom Collins.  A couple drinks
> later and a guy comes up and stands next to me and ask me if
> I am sober enough to read the numbers on his raffle tickets.
>  Well, marginally,  He says if he wins he'll give me half.
>  Meanwhile I learn that his wife is the scantily dressed
> blonde *my* husband was hitting on (also giving me the
> giggle fits).  Well, miracles happen and he wins the $200
> jackpot and I get $100... it is good to be an English teacher.
>
> Later on, we head to the pool.  The scantily dressed blonde
> lent me a bathing suit (she's 10x better looking than I
> am... what her husband was thinking I have no idea) so I
> could participate in the hottubbing..... where somebody
> dumped a couple bottles of Mr. Bubble.  Goodness.  Then
> another fat old guy threw me in the pool.
>
> I think it is going to be an interesting summer.
>
> Tushar, you coming?

Working on fat and old AS WE SPEAK ... that $100 is very nice, Rita!

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 5:37:35 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> The evil twins have been taken off the the "Best of 2003"
> page to ward off contamination, and the evil TRIPLETS have
> been given their own quarantined page! Check it out *right*
> *now* at <http://words-l.org/bestof03-2.html>!

THANK YOU! I love you, man. And I really appreciate this.

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Roy Jaques wrote:

> The following URL refers to a TV programme I watched this evening.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent/2864967.stm
>
> Is this happening widely in the US ?

    It just so happens that I'm familiar with the word "codswallop".  I
can personally testify that it went on in the Johnson administration,
and I have memories of it going on before that although it may not have
been codified.
    Sheesh.

JMW

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02003-03-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, March 23, 2003, 5:32:53 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Sunday, March 23, 2003, 5:23:15 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > If you read "torn cartilage" as "corn tortilla" ... what are the
> >> > odds you are hungry?
> >>
> >> Pretty good.
>
> > Thank you for the update, K-R-N.
>
> You can't faze me, Tushie. I am Feeling Good because I have a
> date with *ar* next week!

Fine.

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02003-03-22 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> My request went up the ladder and I got permission to have THEM install
> it.  I'm still waiting but I'll get it eventually.  Jeez.

But really, what is it that prevents you from installing things?
The wrath of HR?

> Already my very own boss is acquiring stupid jargon and snappy acronyms.

Handling power gracefully is a skill ... mostly it just corrupts
(of course, as you very well know).

Anyhow, I am trying to think what might alleviate this situation
a little ... I mean you can't replace a toolbar, but you might
be able to come close.

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John Williams wrote:
> > According to the tv people he was the father of one of the first
> > soldiers to die.
>
>     That's the proof, a statement by a talking hairdo?  Or are they taking the
> demonstrator's word unchallenged?

Sorry, but I have no proof.  All I know is that CBS news after
announcing the deaths of these two soldiers took us then to interviews
with their families.  The first was somebody who said something like how
sad he was that his brother (I think it was) had been killed but that he
knew he had died bravely, etc. etc.  The second was this man who shook
his fist and said the "Thanks, Mr. Bush, for taking my only son."

> > Perhaps he was really just a random stranger that the
> > tv network hired to masquerade as the grieving parent.
>
>     Inasmuch as they have a record of falsifying data - food additive scares, rigging
> phony crash and rollover tests, and hiring actors to give translations bogus accents -
> I would not put it past them.

May be.  But it does seem odd that they would think they could get away
with something like that when real soldiers with real names had died.
Like wouldn't the real parents get upset by having some hired actor
impersonating them?  Names were given of these dead soldiers.

> > >     Anyway, I think they could all do more good if they just eliminated
> > > homelessness by holding hands.  It worked before...
> >
> > Huh?  You lost me here.
>
>     Short Attention Span Theater brings you "Hands Across America".

I'm still lost.  I assume that it's my brain that's gone.  "A mind is a
terrible thing to lose." -GWB

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On 23 Mar 2003 at 17:39, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I looked at my Zone Alarm screen a little while ago
> and saw lots of instances of blocked outgoing mail, so I tried turning
> off Zone Alarm (which I don't think I really need with a hardware
> firewall anyway, do I?).

Why don't you just configure Zone Alarm so that it works correctly?

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Bookrat wrote:

> >    Okay, I'm back from Mexico.  Did I miss anything?
> >
> >JMW
>
> Numerous opportunities to pontificate and/or blow your stack.  (You might
> want to check with your physician regarding your blood pressure before you
> resub. :-) )
>
> Beinvenidos a su casa!

    Gracias!
    I must say this trip was <different>.  8-)
    PP was friggin' *deserted*, and the local economy was hurting*, although
it did make for ample parking.  Coming back to the Safe Side I was asked to
+prove+ my citizenship for the first time in my life, and there was an
additional Migra checkpoint ten miles inside.  I am up to speed on surf
watching, Tecate drinking, and buying still-warm tortillas on the beach before
7, but my knowledge of current events is a bit laggard.  (All I heard of note
was that the border would be closed for 72 hours, and my reaction was,
"Great!"  Didn't happen...)  At dinner one night we decided that if the
balloon went up we could find no safer place to be.
    It grieves me to say that SW radio no longer rules.  The Beeb was full of
local council crap, Radio Australia kept me fully informed of the sad state of
Philippino emigration, and thanks to Radio Pyongyang I was fully updated as to
Dear Leader's opening of Beet Plant Number 43, but as a source of news it was
a washout.

JMW

* Sometimes we even got a FAVORABLE exchange rate!

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> But really, what is it that prevents you from installing things?
> The wrath of HR?

They've rigged it so that we can't download software.  I guess.  In any
case, I can't manage the download at my pc.

> Anyhow, I am trying to think what might alleviate this situation
> a little ... I mean you can't replace a toolbar, but you might
> be able to come close.

I'll get it eventually.  Meanwhile, I am being taught my place, I guess.

Ann

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02003-03-23 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> They've rigged it so that we can't download software.  I guess.

Oh, THAT they are good at!

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Thanks for choosing a different shade. You house will still be
> a rectangular blue and white wooden box with sloping roof, but
> at least it will be a different shade of blue!

Ok, so my brain is still dead.  Are you suggesting that you don't like
the shade of blue I am considering?  I saw another shade of blue I sort
of liked while walking Spencer early this afternoon.  Maybe I'll take a
picture of it sometime soon and post it for your opinion.  What about
red instead of blue?  Do you like red houses?

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> > I looked at my Zone Alarm screen a little while ago
> > and saw lots of instances of blocked outgoing mail, so I tried turning
> > off Zone Alarm (which I don't think I really need with a hardware
> > firewall anyway, do I?).
>
> Why don't you just configure Zone Alarm so that it works correctly?

It worked fine for however many months it's been on my computer.  The
problems started recently, though I had changed nothing.  I haven't the
foggiest idea how to configure Zone Alarm so that it works correctly.
I'm just happy that the extremely annoying outgoing mailserver problem
seems to be solved now.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I'm still lost.  I assume that it's my brain that's gone.  "A mind is a
> terrible thing to lose." -GWB

    My, how things change.  A few years ago that quote was attributed to Dan Quayle.

JMW

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I wrote:

> > > >     Anyway, I think they could all do more good if they just eliminated
> > > > homelessness by holding hands.  It worked before...
> > >
> > > Huh?  You lost me here.
> >
> >     Short Attention Span Theater brings you "Hands Across America".
>
> I'm still lost.  I assume that it's my brain that's gone.  "A mind is a
> terrible thing to lose." -GWB

I'm giving up on catching on.  I do think that my brain is gone.  If
you'd tell me who "they" are, I might make some progress on
understanding why you're talking about "Hands Across America" (I do
remember it, btw -- that's not the question) in relation to dead
soldiers and grieving parents.

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John Williams wrote:

> > I'm still lost.  I assume that it's my brain that's gone.  "A mind is a
> > terrible thing to lose." -GWB
>
>     My, how things change.  A few years ago that quote was attributed to Dan Quayle.

Oops!  Sorry.  I told you my brain was dead.  It was indeed Quayle, not
Dubya.  It's easy to get them mixed up, although that doesn't make it
fair or right.

So are you going to tell me the antecedent of "they" in your thing about
Hands Across America?

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Karen speaking too Natalie:
> > This is a perfect example of the way you use inflammatory speech,
> > by introducing the term 'invalid' into a conversation where it
> > wasn't.

Tushar:
>Well, get immune already ..

Why should we have to get immune?  Why can't Natalie exhibit some of that
famous Southern charm and be oh so sweet to us?


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

> Why should we have to get immune?  Why can't Natalie exhibit some of that
> famous Southern charm and be oh so sweet to us?

I've been studying Rita's postings carefully to try to emulate her style
since you gave her as an example of one who does not use inflammatory
descriptions.  I looked around at the concert this afternoon in hopes of
finding fat old men so that I could report on them since that seems to
be the kind of language you promote as non-tacky.  Problem was that I
didn't see any fat old men there.  I'm still looking for appropriate
things of that kind to mention, though.

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John Williams wrote:

> Roy Jaques wrote:
>
>
>>The following URL refers to a TV programme I watched this evening.
>>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent/2864967.stm
>>
>>Is this happening widely in the US ?
>>
>
>     It just so happens that I'm familiar with the word "codswallop".  I
> can personally testify that it went on in the Johnson administration,
> and I have memories of it going on before that although it may not have
> been codified.
>     Sheesh.


        The money thing, John, that's what is new.

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>The evil twins have been taken off the the "Best of 2003"
>page to ward off contamination, and the evil TRIPLETS have
>been given their own quarantined page! Check it out *right*
>*now* at <http://words-l.org/bestof03-2.html>!

How wonderful.   Where did you get the background picture?  Is that anyone
we know?


    --bonniev

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> The evil twins have been taken off the the "Best of 2003"
> page to ward off contamination, and the evil TRIPLETS have
> been given their own quarantined page! Check it out *right*
> *now* at <http://words-l.org/bestof03-2.html>!

Tushar, you are so cool and clever.

Triplet #2
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> bonniev wrote:
>
>
>>Why should we have to get immune?  Why can't Natalie exhibit some of that
>>famous Southern charm and be oh so sweet to us?
>>
>
> I've been studying Rita's postings carefully to try to emulate her style
> since you gave her as an example of one who does not use inflammatory
> descriptions.  I looked around at the concert this afternoon in hopes of
> finding fat old men so that I could report on them since that seems to
> be the kind of language you promote as non-tacky.  Problem was that I
> didn't see any fat old men there.  I'm still looking for appropriate
> things of that kind to mention, though.


        As a Yankee, I don't know any better, bless my heart.




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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 6:19:00 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I've been studying Rita's postings carefully to try to emulate her style
> since you gave her as an example of one who does not use inflammatory
> descriptions.  I looked around at the concert this afternoon in hopes of
> finding fat old men so that I could report on them since that seems to
> be the kind of language you promote as non-tacky.

You're conflating non-tacky and inflammatory. These are not
interchangeable terms.

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>How wonderful.   Where did you get the background picture?  Is that anyone
>we know?   --bonniev

Never mind.   Now I get it.   You just highlighted Alyce out from the
picture.   Who are those two women, Alyce?   What an excellent picture.


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:

> You're conflating non-tacky and inflammatory. These are not
> interchangeable terms.

I'm still trying to catch on.  I'm struggling with the difference
between "a fat old man" and "a horse-faced woman."  Not to mention with
why it's not inflammatory for Rita to say that she sees "murder" in
Iraq.  As I said, I'm still working on it.  Will try to get there and
achieve Ritaesque goodness.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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02003-03-23 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > The evil twins have been taken off the the "Best of 2003"
> > page to ward off contamination, and the evil TRIPLETS have
> > been given their own quarantined page! Check it out *right*
> > *now* at <http://words-l.org/bestof03-2.html>!
>
> Tushar, you are so cool and clever.

More like, I am positioning for a spot up top ...

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 6:41:29 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> You're conflating non-tacky and inflammatory. These are not
>> interchangeable terms.

> I'm still trying to catch on.  I'm struggling with the difference
> between "a fat old man" and "a horse-faced woman."  Not to mention with
> why it's not inflammatory for Rita to say that she sees "murder" in
> Iraq.  As I said, I'm still working on it.  Will try to get there and
> achieve Ritaesque goodness.

I didn't get on your case over either of these instances.

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 6:41:40 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-23 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
>> Tushar Samant wrote:
>> >
>> > The evil twins have been taken off the the "Best of 2003"
>> > page to ward off contamination, and the evil TRIPLETS have
>> > been given their own quarantined page! Check it out *right*
>> > *now* at <http://words-l.org/bestof03-2.html>!
>>
>> Tushar, you are so cool and clever.

> More like, I am positioning for a spot up top ...

Does this mean you're emigrating to Canada with Paul?

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
>>You're conflating non-tacky and inflammatory. These are not
>>interchangeable terms.
>>
>
> I'm still trying to catch on.  I'm struggling with the difference
> between "a fat old man" and "a horse-faced woman."  Not to mention with
> why it's not inflammatory for Rita to say that she sees "murder" in
> Iraq.  As I said, I'm still working on it.  Will try to get there and
> achieve Ritaesque goodness.



        Keep working on it.  Maybe you'll get there.

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I've got to say that house looks like posting VERY rich ... In fact,
I thought it was this ... guy's ... house. A guy in college with me
who invited me to do our math assignments together, and turned out
to be unholy stinking rich. Man, just the library in that house, and
the piano and his charities-running mama and what not, I am not sure
I breathed for a couple of hours ...

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JMW:

>I am up to speed on surf
>watching, Tecate drinking, and buying still-warm tortillas on the beach
>before
>7,

Man,  I'm SO gelous. I want to practice on these important skills.

-rashmi, who loves loves loves surf (and surfer-d00d) watching

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02003-03-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, March 23, 2003, 6:41:40 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-23 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> >> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >
> >> > The evil twins have been taken off the the "Best of 2003"
> >> > page to ward off contamination, and the evil TRIPLETS have
> >> > been given their own quarantined page! Check it out *right*
> >> > *now* at <http://words-l.org/bestof03-2.html>!
> >>
> >> Tushar, you are so cool and clever.
>
> > More like, I am positioning for a spot up top ...
>
> Does this mean you're emigrating to Canada with Paul?

I was thinking, but if Paul's going, forget it ...

Seriously, though, I thought about it once, based on my assessment
of the future of software in the USA. It wasn't much of an assess-
ment. I still do think independent "inventors", and small novel
businesses in general, are going to have a pretty hard time, with
all the asshole laws being passed (though they will get an SUV for
free). But I thought I should consider it more holistically, so to
say. What can give you a satisfactory life? In particular, can your
inventive side--such as it is--be funnelled into doing something
good? Etc. The political possibilities in the USA are probably
getting closed, one by one, but perhaps "community" possibilities
(whatever that means) are not. Well, not much precise thinking here.
Fact is, I really like Chicago, and I think I can do something here.

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02003-03-23 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Thanks for choosing a different shade. You house will still be
> > a rectangular blue and white wooden box with sloping roof, but
> > at least it will be a different shade of blue!
>
> Ok, so my brain is still dead.  Are you suggesting that you don't like
> the shade of blue I am considering?

No, I love it!

> I saw another shade of blue I sort of liked while walking Spencer early
> this afternoon.  Maybe I'll take a picture of it sometime soon and post
> it for your opinion.  What about red instead of blue?  Do you like red
> houses?

I like red houses, brown houses and some grey and blue houses.
And I like other colored houses if they are sufficiently "pimped".

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 6:58:08 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Fact is, I really like Chicago, and I think I can do something here.

I think so, too.

You can take me to Charlie Trotter's ! Hahahahahaha!:)

Karen

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02003-03-23 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> Karen speaking too Natalie:
> >> This is a perfect example of the way you use inflammatory speech,
> >> by introducing the term 'invalid' into a conversation where it
> >> wasn't.
>
> Tushar:
> >Well, get immune already ..
>
> Why should we have to get immune?  Why can't Natalie exhibit some of that
> famous Southern charm and be oh so sweet to us?

I personally wish she won't, one of the reasons being I don't want to
delete hundreds of tedious Voigtlander messages about superficiality
and fakeness of the south etc.

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02003-03-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, March 23, 2003, 6:58:08 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Fact is, I really like Chicago, and I think I can do something here.
>
> I think so, too.
>
> You can take me to Charlie Trotter's ! Hahahahahaha!:)

Oh HAAAA ha ha ha ha!

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Adam:

>Not yet. Meant to this week, but was too busy at work.

>What days did we agree on, again?

July 2 -  6.

I sent e-mail but they seem to prefer the phone. 800-323-7819 and
leave a message if there's no answer.

-rashmi

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bonniev:

> >Did you make reservations for Acadiafest? Mine are done.
> >-rashmi

>Oh, goody.   Did you call them?  Did they sound nice?

Our conversation was really short so, <shrug>. Nothing out
of the ordinary which is good I guess.

-rashmi




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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-23 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > > Now, here's the blue I'm thinking about:
> > > http://www.users.muohio.edu/karrowrs/College/Houses/cotton.jpg
> >
> > Ooh, that is dramatic!
> > Here's the color of our house - sort of intermediate - we
> > use a blue similar to this as trim:
> > http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/Dreamscape/door.jpg
>
> Where do you live? Because in many suburbs over here, this
> sort of thing would get zoned out immediately.

I can't wait to hear what makes this outtazone.
clo

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 7:26:25 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>> 02003-03-23 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
>> > On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > > Now, here's the blue I'm thinking about:
>> > > http://www.users.muohio.edu/karrowrs/College/Houses/cotton.jpg
>> >
>> > Ooh, that is dramatic!
>> > Here's the color of our house - sort of intermediate - we
>> > use a blue similar to this as trim:
>> > http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/Dreamscape/door.jpg
>>
>> Where do you live? Because in many suburbs over here, this
>> sort of thing would get zoned out immediately.

> I can't wait to hear what makes this outtazone.

The colors.

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Steve Martin is really angry.

Karen

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I thought I asked this during the Golden Globes, but is it now
acceptable to clap for yourself?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Steve Martin is really angry.
>
> Karen

At what?
clo

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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:12:04 -0600
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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 8:09:22 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Steve Martin is really angry.
>>
>> Karen

> At what?

The war. He got it under control after a moment, but I thought he
was going to explode.

Jeff

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, March 23, 2003, 7:26:25 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> 02003-03-23 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> >> > On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >> > > Now, here's the blue I'm thinking about:
> >> > > http://www.users.muohio.edu/karrowrs/College/Houses/cotton.jpg
> >> >
> >> > Ooh, that is dramatic!
> >> > Here's the color of our house - sort of intermediate - we
> >> > use a blue similar to this as trim:
> >> > http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/Dreamscape/door.jpg
> >>
> >> Where do you live? Because in many suburbs over here, this
> >> sort of thing would get zoned out immediately.
>
> > I can't wait to hear what makes this outtazone.
>
> The colors.

OK, less than helpful. Is it too close to patriotic?

We live, by the way, in a historic district near the university. The
house is from the Arts and Crafts period, which was a big deal
in Syracuse because the Stickleys (among others) lived there.

The colors and trim are drawn from a palette of approved colors
from the time period, I think. I was wondering if the objection
was to the silvervine draped over the porch (I understand it's
a form of clematis).

clo

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 8:15:17 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> > I can't wait to hear what makes this outtazone.
>>
>> The colors.

> OK, less than helpful. Is it too close to patriotic?

> We live, by the way, in a historic district near the university. The
> house is from the Arts and Crafts period, which was a big deal
> in Syracuse because the Stickleys (among others) lived there.

Oh! I didn't realize. I love Stickley stuff. You can bring me
some furniture when you come to Austin.:)

> The colors and trim are drawn from a palette of approved colors
> from the time period, I think.

That's what I was wondering, if they are <approved> or not. I
think that's what Tushar was getting at. If not, well, then. He
still has to take me to dinner in December.

> I was wondering if the objection
> was to the silvervine draped over the porch (I understand it's
> a form of clematis).

Is clematis a bad thing?!

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>
> >> Steve Martin is really angry.
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > At what?
>
> The war. He got it under control after a moment, but I thought he
> was going to explode.
>
> Jeff

I must have missed that.  What did he say?
I didn't hear or see anything.  Just heard him
say "No red carpet . . boy, that will really
show them!"

                  - D. M.

               - D. M.

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 8:29:27 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> I didn't hear or see anything.  Just heard him
> say "No red carpet . . boy, that will really
> show them!"

That was the beginning. Then he said that all the proceeds from
the televising of the Oscar performance was going to go to major
corporations, and that should make us all feel better. He sounded
quite bitter.

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I nearly forgot... in order to get to Pere Marquette from
where we live, we have to drive across the Lewis and Clark
Bridge and about 15 or so miles of Illinois 100, aka The
Great River Road.  We managed to hit the Lewis and Clark at
just the right hour when the sun is sinking and intensifying
all the colors of our little world.  The sky was pink, the
yellow supports of the bridge hummed they were so vivid, and
even the murky waters of the Mississippi were smooth and blue.

The River Road was just as lovely.  As we came around a
curve, on one side the sun hovered over an island, and I'd
swear I'd never seen a sun so enormous and orange and bold,
while the bluffs to the other side glowed pink.  My god.  I
think my heart would have broken on the spot had my husband
not pointed out that we were across the river from Our Lady
Penis (big statue of Our Lady of Fatima -- from behind, the
way the robes are carved make it look exactly like an
enormous penis -- I may go to hell for that).

Then we rolled into Grafton, a little town full of
historical Inns advertising eagle watching stays, bars, and
ice cream(e) shop(pe)s.  On the billboard into town is a
sign that reads "America is the greatest... if you don't
agree then leave."

We took a little side street cut through the bluffs, and it
was lined with dented and moldy single-wides crouched along
a creek bed with their backs up against the granite.  The
yards were hard-packed dirt and no sun filtered through,
even with the trees still bare.  Just above, several
enormous houses perch overlooking the river.

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> Sunday, March 23, 2003, 8:29:27 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> > I didn't hear or see anything.  Just heard him
> > say "No red carpet . . boy, that will really
> > show them!"
>
> That was the beginning. Then he said that all the proceeds from
> the televising of the Oscar performance was going to go to major
> corporations, and that should make us all feel better. He sounded
> quite bitter.

I heard that but apparently it blew past me as
his kind of humor.

                       - D. M.

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 8:45:29 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> I heard that but apparently it blew past me as
> his kind of humor.

No. He's not usually so bitter.

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02003-03-23 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > I can't wait to hear what makes this outtazone.
> >
> > The colors.
>
> OK, less than helpful. Is it too close to patriotic?

I don't know where this is going. Those colors would be
found "loud", that's all.

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I thought too much about BORKIN's Google toolbar problem and
finally dolled up an old web tool to come up with the *exact
opposite* of the solution.

But it's probably useful ... I for one find it really convenient,
to search for things in various sources.

<http://words-l.org/stfw/>

Suggestions for additions welcome ...

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For JMW:  I just googled for the name of the alleged soldier whose
alleged father was mad at Bush.  It's Staff Sgt. Kendall Damon
Waters-Bey.  You might want to alert the real father to the lie
perpetrated by the talking hairdo on tv.  I quoted the part I remembered
about "Thank you, Mr. Bush, for taking my only son."  He also addressed
this to Bush:  "This was not your son or daughter. That chair he sat in
at Thanksgiving will be empty forever."  I heard him say that also on tv
but copied the quotation from here:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/2057574/detail.html

Anyway, I think you should try to find the real parent of this dead
soldier so that the record can be set straight about the tv lie.  But
I'm still trying to figure out what any of this has to do with Hands
Across America.  That's still flopping around in my head as a mystery.

But I'm about to take my floppy, dead-brained head to bed.  We're moving
into Early Modern English in my 8:00 class tomorrow.  That must mean
that the semester is galloping toward its finish line.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

> We took a little side street cut through the bluffs, and it
> was lined with dented and moldy single-wides crouched along
> a creek bed with their backs up against the granite.  The
> yards were hard-packed dirt and no sun filtered through,
> even with the trees still bare.  Just above, several
> enormous houses perch overlooking the river.


It sounds so much like there is another sentence coming to tie these
observations together -

but even without it, I for some reason have an image of a schoolyard craps
game - the participants crouched low and crowded together, and the
spectators towering above, and looking just a shade less disreputable.

clo

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>We took a little side street cut through the bluffs, and it
>>was lined with dented and moldy single-wides crouched along
>>a creek bed with their backs up against the granite.  The
>>yards were hard-packed dirt and no sun filtered through,
>>even with the trees still bare.  Just above, several
>>enormous houses perch overlooking the river.
>>
>
>
> It sounds so much like there is another sentence coming to tie these
> observations together -
>


        Maybe.  I'm just bullshitting off the top of my head.  Here's
a site with some nice pictures of the River Road:
http://www.riverbend2000.com/images/rvrart/


>

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On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> I thought too much about BORKIN's Google toolbar problem and
> finally dolled up an old web tool to come up with the *exact
> opposite* of the solution.
>
> But it's probably useful ... I for one find it really convenient,
> to search for things in various sources.
>
> <http://words-l.org/stfw/>
>
> Suggestions for additions welcome ...
>

Congrats. It's potentially useful enough for the kinds of stupid things
people ask me all the time, that <I> may have to buy <you> a beer!
clo

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02003-03-23 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Anyway, I think you should try to find the real parent of this dead
> soldier so that the record can be set straight about the tv lie.  But
> I'm still trying to figure out what any of this has to do with Hands
> Across America.  That's still flopping around in my head as a mystery.

Let it go!

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> Sunday, March 23, 2003, 8:45:29 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> > I heard that but apparently it blew past me as
> > his kind of humor.
>
> No. He's not usually so bitter.

But when he said the red carpet thing it
sounded to me as if he were making
fun of those who are upset.  I guess
before this is over I may know.

Boy the guy who made the impassioned
speech against Bush or whatever (think
it was Michael Moore) was really booed.

                 - D. M.

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02003-03-23 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Maybe.  I'm just bullshitting off the top of my head.  Here's
> a site with some nice pictures of the River Road:
> http://www.riverbend2000.com/images/rvrart/

What a scam ... no picture of the penis lady

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 9:40:54 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> Boy the guy who made the impassioned
> speech against Bush or whatever (think
> it was Michael Moore) was really booed.

I was either making dinner or on the phone with ET #1 when that
happened.

ET #3

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On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> But I'm about to take my floppy, dead-brained head to bed.  We're moving
> into Early Modern English in my 8:00 class tomorrow.  That must mean
> that the semester is galloping toward its finish line.

You get to teach Early Modern English? I do so envy you. Who are your
students?
Early Modern is what Mercy hoped to study when she got handed
the Pyncheon-assigning tutor instead at Oxford.
Hope that you and your students have a great time.
clo

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Susan Sarandon is one good-looking broad!

I think I'm in love.

ET #3

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karen:

>That was the beginning. Then he said that all the proceeds from
>the televising of the Oscar performance was going to go to major
>corporations, and that should make us all feel better. He sounded
>quite bitter.

You're imagining things, Karen. "proceeds go to major corporations"
is a typical Steve Martin kinda joke.

-rashmi

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 9:46:56 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> You're imagining things, Karen. "proceeds go to major corporations"
> is a typical Steve Martin kinda joke.

I guess I don't <get> his humor, then.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
Sunday, March 23, 2003, 9:46:56 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> You're imagining things, Karen. "proceeds go to major corporations"
> is a typical Steve Martin kinda joke.

I guess I don't <get> his humor, then.

This seems odd to me - it's so much like Words-L humor.

Or Mark Twain's rendition of New England humor-
(I wish I owned half that dog - why? - I would shoot my half!)

clo

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 9:52:57 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> This seems odd to me - it's so much like Words-L humor.

> Or Mark Twain's rendition of New England humor-
> (I wish I owned half that dog - why? - I would shoot my half!)

I don't get any of this, then.

OHMIGOD!!! Maybe I've been laughing at the wrong things for the
past 14 years!

ET #3

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On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> But it's probably useful ... I for one find it really convenient,
> to search for things in various sources.
>
> <http://words-l.org/stfw/>

It can't be you're supposed to choose one source?  Because I put in
Tushar Samant and hit GO and got an error message.  Of course if I hit GROUPS
with the same search I will come up with zillions of stupid hits.

Just testing

Ann

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Pedro Almodovar won an Oscar! Woohoo!

Karen

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>Steve Martin is really angry.
>Karen

At what point did you get that impression??


    --bonniev

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I always enjoy near the end when they have
the big group of former winners onstage and
introduce each one.   Some of them I would
not have recognized . . . Patricia Neal and
Jennifer Jones and some others whose names
I can't think of now.  Olivia DeHaviland
looked and sounded great, I thought.
Still had some of that old sparkle.

                  - D. M.

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Last year on Oscar night, we took Alyce out to dinner.  That was fun.  Then
Adam drove Alyce home and drove Natalie to the airport.  Marie drove
herself back home to *uc*.   Betty and I retired to our room above the
restaurant, played Scrabble, and watched the Oscars until we couldn't stay
awake anymore.   We turned off the lights and went to sleep under our
mallard duck chandelier.   Good memories.


    --bonniev

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>>Steve Martin is really angry.
>>Karen
>
>At what point did you get that impression??
>    --bonniev

Never mind.  I read further and got the answer.   I thought it was brave of
the Academy to give an award to Roman Polanski.


    --bonniev

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Sunday, March 23, 2003, 11:04:10 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>Steve Martin is really angry.
>>Karen

> At what point did you get that impression??

In the very beginning. Watching the muscle in his jaw jump.

ET #3

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > > It's odd, but somehow it's the ex-Soviet people around here who
> > > bristle immediately at names like "Iraqi Freedom Campaign" etc.
>
> Yes.
>
> > As an answer to your thinking it's odd: It is because they've heard too
> > much empty words.
>
> No, I also think they recognize them faster and have "associations"

It was what I meant (and I am a bit confused how else could my words be
interpreted-- but I have only read this message today, so it'll perhaps be
clear to me soon).

Kristin

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20:35 21.03.2003 -0600 skrev Doris Markland:
>over countries to exploit them.  They are following
>orders of course, but they are volunteers, not
>conscripts,  and they are the most intelligent, most
>professional we have ever had.  They will be the first,

This means mercenaries?

Espen

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> You get to teach Early Modern English? I do so envy you. Who are your
> students?

Heavens.  I find this stage of HOTEL (History of the English Language)
not at all exciting.  Except for the Great Vowel Shift, things were
pretty ho-hum.  It's fun to talk about external matters like the
attitudes toward and uses of Latin in the Renaissance and to illustrate
the ye/thou usage in excerpts from Shakespeare since many of the
students have been reading Shakespeare without any idea of the
significance of second-person pronouns at that time.  But otherwise, as
I said, I find this the least interesting part of HOTEL.  I'm not all
that crazy about Middle English actually, but talking about the changes
between OE and ME is fun.  And post-Renaissance is kind of fun because
of talking about the prissy eighteenth-century attitudes and then
getting into stuff like twentieth-century varieties of English.  My
favorite part of the course is OE, though.

> Early Modern is what Mercy hoped to study when she got handed

The language or the lit (not that one can do lit without lang, of
course)?  Obviously the Renaissance was a <biggy> re literary
productivity.

> the Pyncheon-assigning tutor instead at Oxford.

I had been thinking just a couple of days ago about the GR assignment
and meaning to ask you how it's going.  Any word from her on that?

> Hope that you and your students have a great time.

Students start getting pretty bedraggled at this time in a semester --
especially those who've managed to get behind.  Oh -- I just remembered
that you asked who the students were in my HOTEL class.  They're a
combination of juniors, seniors, and MA students, a combination of
various majors, a combination of races (assuming here that <races> mean
<colors> -- black, white, yellow are in this class), about a 50-50 mix
of males/females, mostly traditional college age, mostly USAers (all but
a couple of Koreans and a Ukrainian), overall a class that's worse than
usual for this course re grades -- far too many Fs at midterm.  The
students in my Sociolinguistics class at 9:00 are much better overall.
Same kind of mix as described above but fewer Ed majors.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > I'm still trying to figure out what any of this has to do with Hands
> > Across America.  That's still flopping around in my head as a mystery.
>
> Let it go!

I hate mysteries, especially when I think they may be representing the
loss of more brain cells from my head.  I worry about galloping
alzheimers.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Boy the guy who made the impassioned
> speech against Bush or whatever (think
> it was Michael Moore) was really booed.

I finally figured out that y'all are talking about the Academy Awards.
Why are political speeches involved?  I've seen the show only one time,
many years ago while drinking lots of wine at some friends' house.  I
remember nothing of the tv -- only remember how another friend of mine,
driving just behind me as we left, ended up in jail that night for drunk
driving.  We had consumed approximately the same amount.  We've
discussed many times whether the difference was luck, my driving skills
vs his, or discrimination against males by the SPD.  But that is a
digression.  My point was simply that I thought this show was about
handing out oscars to people for acting, directing, and other matters
related to the producing of movies.  I guess the sub-point, or maybe the
super-point, is one I've raised before:  Why would anybody care what the
political opinions of movie actors are?

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07:16 23.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>Because I'm covered in bites. And I didn't spend time outside
>yesterday.

I know it because the first flowering coltsfoots (coltsfeet?) have been found in Oslo yesterday.

Espen

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21:42 23.03.2003 +0100 skrev whimsy:
>= baths.  I really like the Japanese system, whether you follow their bath
>= rules or not -- the drain in the floor.  I've also seen that in some
>= European hotels.  It makes good sense.
>=
>
>This doesn't work very well if the floor is not slanted right.

I lived with my children in a family-student-housing in Bergen for 1 1/2 years, and there the highest point in the bath floor was the drain ...

Espen

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On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Espen Ore wrote:

> 07:16 23.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
> >Because I'm covered in bites. And I didn't spend time outside
> >yesterday.
>
> I know it because the first flowering coltsfoots (coltsfeet?) have been found in Oslo yesterday.
>
> Espen
>

and we have snowdrops in our yard!
clo

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 6:48:46 AM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Espen Ore wrote:

>> 07:16 23.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>> >Because I'm covered in bites. And I didn't spend time outside
>> >yesterday.
>>
>> I know it because the first flowering coltsfoots (coltsfeet?) have been found in Oslo yesterday.
>>
>> Espen
>>

> and we have snowdrops in our yard!
> clo

At brunch yesterday, someone else commented that the bugs seem to
know it's spring. (This was after someone else reached over and
touched my breast without so much as a by-your-leave. She claimed
it was a spider; I have my doubts...)

ET #3

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Espen Ore wrote:
>
> 07:16 23.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
> >Because I'm covered in bites. And I didn't spend time outside
> >yesterday.
>
> I know it because the first flowering coltsfoots (coltsfeet?) have been found in Oslo yesterday.

I meant to say yesterday that I'm expecting to be attacked at any moment
by huge swarms of bees.  I've never seen so many bees buzzing around the
holly bushes.  That makes walking out my usual door to go somewhere (or
returning) a challenge.  And more bees are cavorting around on my
decklet, buzzing, playing chase with each other (sexual harrassment
perhaps), etc. etc.  I can't believe that this is a normal bee
situation.  I've never seen so many bees in past years.

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 7:27:39 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I meant to say yesterday that I'm expecting to be attacked at any moment
> by huge swarms of bees.  I've never seen so many bees buzzing around the
> holly bushes.  That makes walking out my usual door to go somewhere (or
> returning) a challenge.  And more bees are cavorting around on my
> decklet, buzzing, playing chase with each other (sexual harrassment
> perhaps), etc. etc.  I can't believe that this is a normal bee
> situation.  I've never seen so many bees in past years.

If this were a movie, this would be a prelude to discovering that
they have been Africanized.

ET #3

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Blog-promotion:
http://www.iht.com/articles/90796.htm

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I've never seen so many bees in past years.
>
> If this were a movie, this would be a prelude to discovering that
> they have been Africanized.

So far, they seem to be more interested in the holly bushes and in each
other than they do in me.  I'm sort of a <fly on the wall> to them.

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>Why would anybody care what the
>political opinions of movie actors are?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

That's hardly the point.   The point is that actors care and they have a
platform from which to declare their concern.   There was only one
outburst.  It came from the winner in the documentary film category.  He
brought the rest of the nominees up on the stage with him.  I'm sure it was
planned -- no matter who won.   He told Mr. Bush that he should be ashamed.

Others spoke out in support of the troops and the hope for their swift
return home and peace for all of us, including the Iraqi people.

    --bonniev

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>and we have snowdrops in our yard!
>clo

and we have snow banks in our yard!


    --bonniev

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"Dr. Dolittle might have not have been able to get animals to talk so that other people could hear them, but perhaps Japanese toy maker Takara can. The company unveiled a gadget called Bowlingual , which scrutinizes and translates a dog's barks into expressions such as "I've had enough" or "I'm a little bored, let's play." The gizmo was tested on a dog at the Tokyo Toy Show, an annual event featuring electronic games, collectibles and dolls from all over the world thet ended on Sunday. Bowlingual consists of a wireless microphone, which is attached to a dog's collar, and a terminal that analyzes and matches each "woof" with a set of preprogrammed phrases. According to Takara, the device detects feelings - including happiness, frustration and sadness - and displays the associated expressions on the terminal's screen. Bowlingual can also be used to record a dog's mood throughout the day when owners are away from home. A prototype of the device was unveiled last August with the intention of helping dog owners better comprehend their pets. It has a recommended retail price of $100 (12,800 yen). It's not known whether Takara is adapting the device to be used with cats."

                         - D. M.

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> >and we have snowdrops in our yard!
> >clo
>
> and we have snow banks in our yard!
>
>
>     --bonniev

And we have grass in our yard just
showing the first hints of green.

                - D. M.

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 8:10:50 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
> And we have grass in our yard just
> showing the first hints of green.

And I have to mow again...

Karen

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-23 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> > > > > You-u, stupid girl!!!
> > > >
> > > > Glad to see that re developing your skills you've got a huge potential,
> > > > Tushar ;-)
> > >
> > > Sometimes I think, all I need is a few sober days ...
> >
> > Don't you think that would diminish it?
>
> And at other times I think, you are the only one who understands me ...

LOL. Broadminded as I am. Now which carpet should I choose here in the office to
bite?...

Kristin

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> > >and we have snowdrops in our yard!
> > >clo
> >
> > and we have snow banks in our yard!
> >     --bonniev
>
>And we have grass in our yard just
>showing the first hints of green.
>                 - D. M.

Actually, other parts of our yard also have the first hints of green in the
grass.  And the lilac buds are plumping.


    --bonniev

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--bonniev:
>I thought it was brave of the Academy
>to give an award to Roman Polanski.

Yep, in these times, we're all heroes.

--
Richard             prius/pious... oh, *I* get it

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On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, bonniev wrote:
>>Steve Martin is really angry.
>At what point did you get that impression??

Perhaps before the show even started.

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Richard             prius/pious... oh, *I* get it

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Espen:
> This means mercenaries?

HEY!  Call the inflammatory speech police!


"HE is, at this Time, transporting large Armies of
foreign Mercenaries to compleat the Works of Death,
Desolation, and Tyranny..."

For me at least, the <outsider> connotations of
this word have always made that adjective CLANK
off my ear.  Of course, that may be because this
is where I first learned the word, so that was a
seed was sown in the proverbial good soil.

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Richard             prius/pious... oh, *I* get it

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While sipping my coffee earlier this morning
I went looking for and dipping into blog sites.
Wow, what a range of opinions and chatter.
Very interesting ones coming out of Iraq.

I didn't write.  Just read.  Now my eyes are
tired and my head is tired.  Talk about words
. . . . the world is full of them at any given
moment. . . . they're coming at us from
every direction.

Let's just fight the war with words.
They're cheap and they don't do
physical damage.

                - D. M.

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Natalie, on the apiary:
>playing chase with each other (sexual harrassment perhaps)

Oooh!  Hot girly-girly insect action!

Do queen bees live as long as queen termites?

I used to call one of my bosses the Queen Termite.

If a monkey bit you, what kind of medicine would you get?

--
Richard             prius/pious... oh, *I* get it

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 9:26:00 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
> Let's just fight the war with words.
> They're cheap and they don't do
> physical damage.

Duh.

Tell it to Shrub, Doris, don't preach to the choir!

ET #3

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-23 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Maybe.  I'm just bullshitting off the top of my head.  Here's
>>a site with some nice pictures of the River Road:
>>http://www.riverbend2000.com/images/rvrart/
>>
>
> What a scam ... no picture of the penis lady
>

That's because she's on the Missouri side of the river:
http://www.roadtripamerica.com/places/lady.htm

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ET alyce is the only one smiling.  What does she know that we don't?

BrP



> The evil twins have been taken off the the "Best of 2003"
> page to ward off contamination, and the evil TRIPLETS have
> been given their own quarantined page! Check it out *right*
> *now* at <http://words-l.org/bestof03-2.html>!

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Natalie, thank you for sharing information about your idiosyncratic use of
the word <invalid> - I was able to use it in my intro lx class today.

Bethany

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> Monday, March 24, 2003, 9:26:00 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
> > Let's just fight the war with words.
> > They're cheap and they don't do
> > physical damage.
>
> Duh.
>
> Tell it to Shrub, Doris, don't preach to the choir!
>
> ET #3

I wasn't preaching to the choir.
I was singing with the choir.

          - D. M.

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Doris writes,

>I wasn't preaching to the choir.
>I was singing with the choir.

Right on! :)

Pete

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At 07:38 PM 3/20/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Marie Ascher wrote:
> >
> > >From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> > >Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > >> >  I was reading something not long ago about a Civil War
> > > > >> > soldier who was later discovered to be a female masquerading as a
> > >male.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Uh-huh.
> > > >
> > > > > I wish I remembered his/her name.  But I don't.  I remember that she
> > >was
> > > > > an immigrant who for some reason became a soldier.  Yankee, I think.
> > > >
> > > > I doubt her name was Alec Plotkin.
> > >
> > >?
> >
> > Duh! Alec has a penis...
>
>You also know that?  I didn't realize that Alec had been so <free> with
>Wordslers.  But I don't understand your "duh."  My point about the Civil
>War soldier is that one doesn't necessarily know which sex somebody is
>without doing <exploration>.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


I would email you a digital picture, but I know my manhood exists.


alec

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Tee hee.  And which military action have you been against?  I
> just don't remember one.  You must like peace sometimes.

    Vietnam.  Grenada.  Somalia.  Bosnia.  I prefer peace always, except where
the alternative is the silence of the grave, or worse.  I am not prepared to
sacrifice lives to maintain a sense of probity.

JMW

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At 08:57 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>> > Duh! Alec has a penis...
>>
>>You also know that?
>
>I do. I read it on words-l. Besides, I've met the hairy sunofabitch and I
>promise, that ain't no woman.
>
>Marie
>
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Thanks.


alec

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    So, once in a great while the 'nets get something right.  I suppose the
Law of Averages could account for that.  Their overall credulity is still
down there with used-car salesman.

JMW

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It's a symbolic act and the flowers will not actually get used in a bouquet that will
grace someone's dinner table.  I say go for the cheapest option.

BrP





> We're placing flowers on the courthouse steps at noon today, and I've
> been wondering about something.  I think I've noticed in pictures
> through the years of flowers placed in public places for various causes
> that they are usually big bouquets, often still in their paper
> wrappers.  But I keep looking at all the pretty jonquils in my yard
> thinking that I should go pick them and take them instead -- that it
> would be more <personal> or something.  Or should I just go by the
> grocery store and buy some flowers on my way to the courthouse?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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bonniev wrote:
>   Who are those two women, Alyce?   What an excellent picture.

Mother and grandmother in their black velvet tea dresses.

alyce

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At 05:54 AM 3/21/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > Duh! Alec has a penis...
> >
> > That's how this started. Have you seen it?!
>
>Time for a show of hands.  How many Wordslers have seen Alec's sinclair?
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


Natalie,

PLEASE, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

Thanks and God Bless you.

Alec

PS. I have a fucking Penis.

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At 05:54 AM 3/21/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > Duh! Alec has a penis...
> >
> > That's how this started. Have you seen it?!
>
>Time for a show of hands.  How many Wordslers have seen Alec's sinclair?
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Natalie,

Are you so lonely that you need to worry about my Penis. When did you last
get some Penis? Dog penis does not count.


alec

Bless you.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
= On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Espen Ore wrote:
=
= > 07:16 23.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
= > >Because I'm covered in bites. And I didn't spend time outside
= > >yesterday.
= >
= > I know it because the first flowering coltsfoots (coltsfeet?) have been found in Oslo yesterday.
= >
= > Espen
= >
=
= and we have snowdrops in our yard!
= clo

I have one snowdrop blooming.  The crocuses are almost done.  The
narcissus that are in the pot with them haven't started.  The
tulips are now starting to put up their buds, and I have this one
huge monster thing that I forgot what it is coming up.

I need to check upstairs today.

We spent yesterday sweeping up all the bamboo leaves from the
winter, and now the table and chairs are up there too, ready to
be oiled.

YaY!

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:

> Espen:
> > This means mercenaries?
>
> HEY!  Call the inflammatory speech police!
>
> "HE is, at this Time, transporting large Armies of
> foreign Mercenaries to compleat the Works of Death,
> Desolation, and Tyranny..."
>
> For me at least, the <outsider> connotations of
> this word have always made that adjective CLANK
> off my ear.  Of course, that may be because this
> is where I first learned the word, so that was a
> seed was sown in the proverbial good soil.

It is interesting, that the use of "foreign" with "mercenaries"
has become an unanalyzed whole. We never think of the
implication of a standing peacetime army in our own backyard.
In fact, it never occured to me until you brought it up just now.


<Thank You, Espen> for inflaming my thoughts :-0

clo

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On Sunday, March 23, 2003 at 20:35, Rita Chapman wrote:

> Then we rolled into Grafton, a little town full of
> historical Inns advertising eagle watching stays, bars, and
> ice cream(e) shop(pe)s.

I think you mean roughtly "ice cre(a)m(e) shop(pe)s". Well, a more
rigorous RE is needed, but it has to allow for "creme" as well as
"cream" and maybe "creame".

Tony H.

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On Sunday, March 23, 2003 at 21:15, Tushar Samant wrote:

> I thought too much about BORKIN's Google toolbar problem and
> finally dolled up an old web tool to come up with the *exact
> opposite* of the solution.
>
> But it's probably useful ... I for one find it really convenient,
> to search for things in various sources.
>
> <http://words-l.org/stfw/>
>
> Suggestions for additions welcome ...

http://bible.gospelcom.net/

Tony H.

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Tony:
> a more rigorous RE is needed

I'm up for the challege, but Tushar would
just make fun of us.

--
Richard             prius/pious... oh, *I* get it

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Tony Harminc writes,

>http://bible.gospelcom.net/

I miss Richard Goerwitz's Bible Browser
<http://www.stg.brown.edu/webs/bible_browser_message.html>, though he does
have texts at his home site <http://www.goerwitz.com/texts/bible/>, at least.

In the absence of Bible Browser, Brown U. recommends
<http://purl.org/ECanon> as well as Bible Gateway.

Pete

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>I thought it was brave of the Academy
>to give an award to Roman Polanski.
>
>Yep, in these times, we're all heroes.

Except Mr. Polanski.

Bethany

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John Williams wrote:

>   I prefer peace always, except where
> the alternative is the silence of the grave, or worse.  I am not prepared to
> sacrifice lives to maintain a sense of probity.

Yep. Thanks. This was what was missing in a discussion here when you were in
Mexico.

Kr.

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At 06:05 PM 3/22/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>At 07:40 PM 3/22/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>Betty wrote:
>
>
>Our house is 1200 sq. feet for two of us.  I couldn't afford to buy it today.
>

Our apartment is 1100 sq. feet. Scary.
My brother in Davis has told about the real estate market in Calif. Very
expensive compared to Philly.


alec

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On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>>I thought it was brave of the Academy
>>>to give an award to Roman Polanski.
>>Yep, in these times, we're all heroes.
>
> Except Mr. Polanski.

geebus, Bethany, I assumed Bonnie was being sarcastic.

--
Richard             prius/pious... oh, *I* get it

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On Thursday, March 20, 2003 at 23:03, Karen Kay wrote:

> http://dear_raed.blogspot.com/

And he's back on the air after a weekend MIA! The whole blog gives me
such a Tusharesque feeling... it's amazing. This young-sounding guy
commenting so litterarily yet matter-of-factly on the goings on. Near
perfect English, with just the occasional tiny slip. He knows all
about Our World, and of course we know nothing about His. He even
kindly explains the odd food term or little bit of local history, all
of which naturally feeds the feeling that he's actually a crack team
of linguists and propagandists assembled in some office in London or
Fort Meade or Tel Aviv or somewhere. (It would be too much to hope
that the team's in some bunker in Baghdad.)

But yet... I guess I'm willing to enjoy him even if he isn't real,
though of course I'm fondly hoping he is. It's just too good. And if
he is a confabulation, presumably he'll just fade away when his job
is done, leaving his audience to mourn and the team to chuckle over
near-giveaways made and lessons learned.

Tony H.

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I just had to get away for awhile.

Evelyn Duncan
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The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> I just had to get away for awhile.

Glad you're back. We were slightly worried but thought you could manage,
whatever it was that made you to get away.

Kristin

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> It is interesting

**  YAWN  **

> that the use of "foreign" with "mercenaries"
> has become an unanalyzed whole.

Do ya really think so???

> We never think of the
> implication of a standing peacetime army in our own backyard.

Who's "we"?

> In fact, it never occured to me until you brought it up just now.

Gee, this shocks me.

--
Richard             prius/pious... oh, *I* get it

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> I just had to get away for awhile.
>
Hi.
alyce

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At 02:45 AM 3/23/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
>>Today's news has far too much non-information on the screen - the cute
>>graphics, the waving flag background, and the ever-present crawling line of
>>information across the bottom of the screen.
>
>I'm still staying off the teevee. I did watch some Style stuff but that was
>it.
>
>Did you make reservations for Acadiafest? Mine are done.
>
>-rashmi

Mine are done too. Made them on Saturday for the Hearthside.

Bonnie made and interesting comment, said my list portrayal of Tina is
different than what Tina's like in real life. It's been bugging me ever
since. Clarification: it bugs me that I may be portraying Tina inaccurately.

lisa

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> On Thursday, March 20, 2003 at 23:03, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > http://dear_raed.blogspot.com/
>
> And he's back on the air after a weekend MIA! The whole blog gives me
> such a Tusharesque feeling... it's amazing. This young-sounding guy
> commenting so litterarily yet matter-of-factly on the goings on. Near
> perfect English, with just the occasional tiny slip. He knows all
> about Our World, and of course we know nothing about His. He even
> kindly explains the odd food term or little bit of local history, all
> of which naturally feeds the feeling that he's actually a crack team
> of linguists and propagandists assembled in some office in London or
> Fort Meade or Tel Aviv or somewhere. (It would be too much to hope
> that the team's in some bunker in Baghdad.)
>
> But yet... I guess I'm willing to enjoy him even if he isn't real,
> though of course I'm fondly hoping he is. It's just too good. And if
> he is a confabulation, presumably he'll just fade away when his job
> is done, leaving his audience to mourn and the team to chuckle over
> near-giveaways made and lessons learned.
>
> Tony H.

I'm reading him too.

        - D. M.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> bonniev wrote:
> >     What an excellent picture.
>
> Mother and grandmother in their black velvet tea dresses.

It is beautiful. Oh those lost times! Together with Doris's recent "hit"
this suggests an association in me with the choir rehearsal today.
(Doris had another real "hit", too, but what I mean here is that from
the end of 1940s.)

I joined the alumni choir of the Tartu University Academic Women's Choir
about a year ago. Today we had a rehearsal together with the young
singers, students. It makes one half younger to do something together
with young people -- maybe paradoxically, for one may think it'd make
you feel older. But it must be something what teachers often say:
working with young people keeps one young.

Kristin

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> I just had to get away for awhile.


Welcome back.  I hope getting away was productive.

BrP

>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
> gets the cheese.

- and the late worm avoids being eaten.

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02003-03-23 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > But it's probably useful ... I for one find it really convenient,
> > to search for things in various sources.
> >
> > <http://words-l.org/stfw/>
>
> It can't be you're supposed to choose one source?  Because I put in
> Tushar Samant and hit GO and got an error message.  Of course if I
> hit GROUPS with the same search I will come up with zillions of stupid
> hits.

Stupid? Thanks a lot. Excuse me all to pieces. Anyway, all I did
was put a style sheet over my "optimized for w3m" page, so things
are not perfect--by which I mostly mean not documented, though there
are some unbearable kludges in the processing too ... Anyhow, the
"go" is for when there is a URL in there.

I have been the only user of this for a while, and I don't expect
anybody to find "CPAN" or Sanskrit dictionaries that useful ...

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02003-03-24 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> Tony Harminc writes,
>
> >http://bible.gospelcom.net/
>
> I miss Richard Goerwitz's Bible Browser
> <http://www.stg.brown.edu/webs/bible_browser_message.html>, though he does
> have texts at his home site <http://www.goerwitz.com/texts/bible/>, at
> least.

I was pretty unpleasantly surprised to find it gone.
What's the reason?

> In the absence of Bible Browser, Brown U. recommends
> <http://purl.org/ECanon> as well as Bible Gateway.

Well, what will it be? ECanon or Gospelcom?

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Tony Harminc wrote:

> On Sunday, March 23, 2003 at 20:35, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>Then we rolled into Grafton, a little town full of
>>historical Inns advertising eagle watching stays, bars, and
>>ice cream(e) shop(pe)s.
>>
>
> I think you mean roughtly "ice cre(a)m(e) shop(pe)s". Well, a more
> rigorous RE is needed, but it has to allow for "creme" as well as
> "cream" and maybe "creame".


        No, "creme" would only refer to some sort of filling made
with shortening and/or whipped cream, not ice cream.
Different meaning altogether.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> you feel older. But it must be something what teachers often say:
> working with young people keeps one young.


        Well, you have to stay active, that's for sure.

        Today, Ana and I went on a two-hour hike along the Chain of
Rocks Canal.  It's a warm, windy day, and we both turned a
little pink.  The wind was whipping around a lot of dust --
the bottoms are eerily dry for this time of year.  River
barge traffic is back now that the ice is starting to melt
upriver, but we need some rain.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Today, Ana and I went on a two-hour hike along the Chain of
> Rocks Canal.  It's a warm, windy day, and we both turned a
> little pink.

And fresh, I suppose

>  but we need some rain.

Mm-mm... warm spring rain. It'll take some time before we get that.
Though spring is here, too.

Kristin

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I totally agree both in general termas and in terms of choirs.  I sang with the
Syracuse University Capel Choir for 12 years.  When I started, I was only twice the
age of the next oldest person by the end, approaching three times that number.  In
all those years I never once felt old.  I was totally accepted as if I were student-aged.

BrP




>
> I joined the alumni choir of the Tartu University Academic Women's Choir
> about a year ago. Today we had a rehearsal together with the young
> singers, students. It makes one half younger to do something together
> with young people -- maybe paradoxically, for one may think it'd make
> you feel older. But it must be something what teachers often say:
> working with young people keeps one young.
>
> Kristin

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02003-03-24 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tony Harminc wrote:
> >On Sunday, March 23, 2003 at 20:35, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >>Then we rolled into Grafton, a little town full of
> >>historical Inns advertising eagle watching stays, bars, and
> >>ice cream(e) shop(pe)s.
> >>
> >
> >I think you mean roughtly "ice cre(a)m(e) shop(pe)s". Well, a more
> >rigorous RE is needed, but it has to allow for "creme" as well as
> >"cream" and maybe "creame".
>
>        No, "creme" would only refer to some sort of filling made
> with shortening and/or whipped cream, not ice cream.
> Different meaning altogether.

OK Richard, get to work ...

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02003-03-24 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> I would email you a digital picture, but I know my manhood exists.

So how's it going with the 800 extra spams a day?

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>===== Original Message From bonniev <bonniev@panax.com> =====
>Last year on Oscar night, we took Alyce out to dinner.  That was fun.  Then
>Adam drove Alyce home and drove Natalie to the airport.  Marie drove
>herself back home to *uc*.   Betty and I retired to our room above the
>restaurant, played Scrabble, and watched the Oscars until we couldn't stay
>awake anymore.   We turned off the lights and went to sleep under our
>mallard duck chandelier.   Good memories.
>
>
>    --bonniev

This year Larry and I were high on a hill in Monterey and didn't even watch
the Oscars or the war. It's beautiful  here. Larry is on the golf course and I
stopped by here to have a mocha to give my bicycle butt a rest.

Is Evelyn back yet?

Betty

Betty

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Tushar Samant writes,

>I was pretty unpleasantly surprised to find it gone.
>What's the reason?

Goerwitz moved on, so STG stopped maintaining it.

>Well, what will it be? ECanon or Gospelcom?

Gospelcom looks okay, but I still miss the Bible Browser interface and
cross-text capabilities.

I especially liked looking at the BBE and Latin versions, which I may just
do out of Goerwitz's or someone else's text copies.

Maybe when not so busy, I'll write to him about resurrecting Bible Browser,
too.

Shoot!  Just found out he was running a Quran Browser
there!  <http://www.stg.brown.edu/webs/quran_browser_message.html>

Never even got to try it.

Here's the searchable one I've used most: <http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/>.

This one looks nice, too:
<http://www.unn.ac.uk/societies/islamic/quran/naeindex.htm>.

Pete

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On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, no straight, chaser wrote:

>>>>I thought it was brave of the Academy
>>>>to give an award to Roman Polanski.
>>>Yep, in these times, we're all heroes.
>>
>> Except Mr. Polanski.
>
>geebus, Bethany, I assumed Bonnie was being sarcastic.

Oh, I hope so!

Bethany

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 10:06:02 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> ET alyce is the only one smiling.  What does she know that we don't?

There are also fewer people in her picture than in the ones ours
came from...

ET #3

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John Williams wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Tee hee.  And which military action have you been against?  I
>>just don't remember one.  You must like peace sometimes.
>>
>
>     Vietnam.  Grenada.  Somalia.  Bosnia.  I prefer peace always, except where
> the alternative is the silence of the grave, or worse.  I am not prepared to
> sacrifice lives to maintain a sense of probity.


        What's the differencen between the lives in the
above-mentioned countries and the lives in Iraq?

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>
> This year Larry and I were high on a hill in Monterey and didn't even
watch
> the Oscars or the war. It's beautiful  here. Larry is on the golf
course and I
> stopped by here to have a mocha to give my bicycle butt a rest.
>
> Is Evelyn back yet?
>
> Betty

Please, Betty, learn to use commas, as in:

"Larry and I were high, on a hill in Monterey"

                      - D. M.

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----- Original Message -----
> >> Not preemptive. *Preventive*. Let's appreciate the dangerousness
> >> of the precedent here ...
> >
> >Preventative
>
> The Lounge Lass just puked!
>
> Ken Miller
> Tomlinson School of Orthograpic Norms

:-)

Maybe I'm pregnant.

Marie

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Are you starting a rumor?

BrP




> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> Not preemptive. *Preventive*. Let's appreciate the dangerousness
> > >> of the precedent here ...
> > >
> > >Preventative
> >
> > The Lounge Lass just puked!
> >
> > Ken Miller
> > Tomlinson School of Orthograpic Norms
>
> :-)
>
> Maybe I'm pregnant.
>
> Marie

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For those interested in such things...

 From cnn.com

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/03/24/sprj.irq.iraq.blogger.reut/index.html

I haven't looked at the actual blog but I might.

lisa

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> For those interested in such things...
>
>  From cnn.com
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/03/24/sprj.irq.iraq.blogger.reut/index.html
>
> I haven't looked at the actual blog but I might.
>
> lisa

Isn't this the one Karen posted the other day?  I think it was Karen.

BrP

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In a message dated 03/24/2003 12:42:59 PM Central Standard Time,
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<<
Glad you're back. We were slightly worried but thought you could manage,
whatever it was that made you to get away.


>>

Thanks!  It was just everything:  work, Mom, Kathie, people in general.
I wish I had a job in which it was just me and the computer or books.

Evelyn Duncan
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The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
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Hi, Alyce!

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 03/24/2003 1:04:40 PM Central Standard Time,
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<<
Welcome back.  I hope getting away was productive.


>>

Thanks!  I've started reading Dianetics; I hope it helps.

Evelyn Duncan
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02003-03-24 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> Are you starting a rumor?

Loose lips sink ships

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02003-03-24 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> Isn't this the one Karen posted the other day?  I think it was Karen.

I don't understand the URL at all, it has an underscore.

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> 02003-03-24 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > Isn't this the one Karen posted the other day?  I think it was Karen.
>
> I don't understand the URL at all, it has an underscore.


http://

dear_raed.blogspot.com/

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-24 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > Isn't this the one Karen posted the other day?  I think it was Karen.
>
> I don't understand the URL at all, it has an underscore.

cute. If it's really a problem, try the mirror <dearraed.blogspot.com>

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 2:53:33 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>> For those interested in such things...
>>
>>  From cnn.com
>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/03/24/sprj.irq.iraq.blogger.reut/index.html
>>
>> I haven't looked at the actual blog but I might.
>>
>> lisa

> Isn't this the one Karen posted the other day?  I think it was Karen.

Yep.

ET #3

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02003-03-24 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-24 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
>
> > > Isn't this the one Karen posted the other day?  I think it was Karen.
> >
> > I don't understand the URL at all, it has an underscore.
>
> cute. If it's really a problem, try the mirror <dearraed.blogspot.com>

No, I was confused. It probably didn't load because of traffic.

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"Richard" wrote:

> >> It is interesting
> >**  YAWN  **
> >> that the use of "foreign" with "mercenaries"
> >> has become an unanalyzed whole.
> >Do ya really think so???

You did see the word interesting, no? Tushar, help him out, here!

> >> We never think of the
> >> implication of a standing peacetime army in our own backyard.
> >Who's "we"?
> >> In fact, it never occured to me until you brought it up just now.
> >Gee, this shocks me.

Well, it should shock you. And it should disappoint you, too - if you
believe me.

clo

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>Bonnie made and interesting comment, said my list portrayal of Tina is
>different than what Tina's like in real life. It's been bugging me ever
>since. Clarification: it bugs me that I may be portraying Tina inaccurately.
>lisa

Maybe I'm just full of shit.  But I was thinking that you post sort of
protective of Tina whereas Tina, in person, seemed in need of no
protection.  She seemed like an equal, capable partner.  Before you feel
bugged, Lisa, see if anyone here even thinks as I do, that you sound sort
of protective.  Chances are high that I'm full of shit.


    --bonniev

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>>>Betty wrote:
>>Our house is 1200 sq. feet for two of us.  I couldn't afford to buy it today.
>Our apartment is 1100 sq. feet. Scary.
>My brother in Davis has told about the real estate market in Calif. Very
>expensive compared to Philly.       --alec

It may happen everywhere.   We bought this house six and a half years ago
and we couldn't afford it today.


    --bonniev

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 3:30:37 PM, bonniev wrote:
> Maybe I'm just full of shit.  But I was thinking that you post sort of
> protective of Tina whereas Tina, in person, seemed in need of no
> protection.  She seemed like an equal, capable partner.  Before you feel
> bugged, Lisa, see if anyone here even thinks as I do, that you sound sort
> of protective.  Chances are high that I'm full of shit.

I agree that Lisa posts protective. I have no idea what Tina's
like in person, though.

ET #3

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 1:29:49 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> I have been the only user of this for a while, and I don't expect
> anybody to find "CPAN" or Sanskrit dictionaries that useful ...

Why are you using Sanskrit dictionaries?

ET #3

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 12:20:12 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
> On Thursday, March 20, 2003 at 23:03, Karen Kay wrote:

>> http://dear_raed.blogspot.com/

> And he's back on the air after a weekend MIA! The whole blog gives me
> such a Tusharesque feeling... it's amazing. This young-sounding guy
> commenting so litterarily yet matter-of-factly on the goings on. Near
> perfect English, with just the occasional tiny slip. He knows all
> about Our World, and of course we know nothing about His. He even
> kindly explains the odd food term or little bit of local history, all
> of which naturally feeds the feeling that he's actually a crack team
> of linguists and propagandists assembled in some office in London or
> Fort Meade or Tel Aviv or somewhere. (It would be too much to hope
> that the team's in some bunker in Baghdad.)

> But yet... I guess I'm willing to enjoy him even if he isn't real,
> though of course I'm fondly hoping he is. It's just too good. And if
> he is a confabulation, presumably he'll just fade away when his job
> is done, leaving his audience to mourn and the team to chuckle over
> near-giveaways made and lessons learned.

*EXACTLY*

"Virupaksha lives!"

But to be honest, I was extremely moved by the postings of a
linguist during the last Gulf War, and this reminded me of that
first and OREOTU second.

ET #3

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At 03:53 PM 3/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > For those interested in such things...
> >
> >  From cnn.com
> >
> >
> http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/03/24/sprj.irq.iraq.blogger.reut/index.html
> >
> > I haven't looked at the actual blog but I might.
> >
> > lisa
>
>Isn't this the one Karen posted the other day?  I think it was Karen.
>
>BrP

Could be.. I am WAY far behind in mail.

lisa

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bonniev writes,

>She seemed like an equal, capable partner.  Before you feel
>bugged, Lisa, see if anyone here even thinks as I do, that you sound sort
>of protective.  Chances are high that I'm full of shit.

I generally expect that hearing about an SO by proxy will be different than
meeting the SO in person.

So I don't see a problem with Lisa's portrayal of Tina here, or with
Bonnie's observation.

Pete

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On Monday, March 24, 2003 at 14:01, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-24 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> > I would email you a digital picture, but I know my manhood exists.
>
> So how's it going with the 800 extra spams a day?

I just realized that "spams" differs from "spasms" by only one
letter. Learn something every day...

Tony H.
"First, you need a big hard disk."

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 3:44:55 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:

> On Monday, March 24, 2003 at 14:01, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> 02003-03-24 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
>> > I would email you a digital picture, but I know my manhood exists.
>>
>> So how's it going with the 800 extra spams a day?

> I just realized that "spams" differs from "spasms" by only one
> letter. Learn something every day...

> Tony H.
> "First, you need a big hard disk."

"Increase the number and intensity of your contractions."


ET #3

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tushar Samant
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>
>02003-03-24 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
>> I would email you a digital picture, but I know my manhood exists.
>
>So how's it going with the 800 extra spams a day?
>

??

alec

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>----- Original Message -----
>> >> Not preemptive. *Preventive*. Let's appreciate the dangerousness
>> >> of the precedent here ...
>> >
>> >Preventative
>>
>> The Lounge Lass just puked!
>>
>> Ken Miller
>> Tomlinson School of Orthograpic Norms
>
>:-)
>
>Maybe I'm pregnant.
>
>Marie
>

>From your mouth to G-ds ears.


alec

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Yes.  I've thought about getting a Bowlingual.  Didn't it win Time
magazine's "the year's best invention" award last year?

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:

> "HE is, at this Time, transporting large Armies of
> foreign Mercenaries to compleat the Works of Death,
> Desolation, and Tyranny..."
>
> For me at least, the <outsider> connotations of
> this word have always made that adjective CLANK

Is it just connotation?  I thought the definition of "mercenary" (in
soldiering contexts) included being a foreigner.

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 3:57:46 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> "no straight, chaser" wrote:

>> "HE is, at this Time, transporting large Armies of
>> foreign Mercenaries to compleat the Works of Death,
>> Desolation, and Tyranny..."
>>
>> For me at least, the <outsider> connotations of
>> this word have always made that adjective CLANK

> Is it just connotation?  I thought the definition of "mercenary" (in
> soldiering contexts) included being a foreigner.

Nope. French Foreign Legion, yes. Mercenaries, no.

ET #3

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> Natalie, thank you for sharing information about your idiosyncratic use of
> the word <invalid> - I was able to use it in my intro lx class today.

You are quite welcome.  I'm always happy to help a colleague.

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> > Are you starting a rumor?
>
>Loose lips sink ships

Ah, happy memories of the billboards in Oak Ridge, Tennessee.    In the 1980s.


    --bonniev

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> It's a symbolic act and the flowers will not actually get used in a bouquet that will
> grace someone's dinner table.  I say go for the cheapest option.

Thank you.  I should go by the courthouse and see whether they look
terribly dead by now.  I feel sure that they do, even though I did put a
wet napkin at their bottom, held on by a rubber band.

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> PLEASE, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

You seem to be way behind in mail.  Your penis faded away days ago.  I'd
forgotten about it until you brought it back up.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, March 23, 2003, 8:15:17 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >> > I can't wait to hear what makes this outtazone.
>
> >> I was wondering if the objection
> >> was to the silvervine draped over the porch (I understand it's
> >> a form of clematis).
>
> >Is clematis a bad thing?!

Not for me, but this particular thing is a heavy growth, very
bushy and free. I was wondering if Tushar's suburban zoning
would rule out anything this ungroomed.
clo

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 5:07 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
>> PLEASE, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
>
>You seem to be way behind in mail.  Your penis faded away days
>ago.  I'd
>forgotten about it until you brought it back up.
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Having a life other then Words-l.


alec

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''If we make peaceful revolution impossible, we make violent revolution
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>I agree that Lisa posts protective. I have no idea what Tina's
>like in person, though.         --ET #3

Tina's wonderful in person.  Full of life.  Full of opinion.  Full of funny
stories.  She'd make a great wordsler.


    --bonniev

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Welcome back!!  We missed you.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Today, Ana and I went on a two-hour hike along the Chain of

Is today some kind of Yankee holiday?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> Loose lips sink ships

ShhhH! The walls have ears.
--
alyce

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/03/24/sprj.irq.iraq.blogger.reut/index.html

|404 Error Message
|The page you requested cannot be found. The page you are looking for
might
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Somebody needs to teach that message writer about parallel structure.

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At 03:37 PM 3/24/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Monday, March 24, 2003, 3:30:37 PM, bonniev wrote:
> > Maybe I'm just full of shit.  But I was thinking that you post sort of
> > protective of Tina whereas Tina, in person, seemed in need of no
> > protection.  She seemed like an equal, capable partner.  Before you feel
> > bugged, Lisa, see if anyone here even thinks as I do, that you sound sort
> > of protective.  Chances are high that I'm full of shit.
>
>I agree that Lisa posts protective. I have no idea what Tina's
>like in person, though.
>
>ET #3

The best way for me to describe Tina is to say she's a hot fucking shit. I
guess this is why I found it interesting when Bonnie said I posted
protective of her.

lisa

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At 05:12 PM 3/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>I agree that Lisa posts protective. I have no idea what Tina's
>>like in person, though.         --ET #3
>
>Tina's wonderful in person.  Full of life.  Full of opinion.  Full of funny
>stories.  She'd make a great wordsler.
>
>
>    --bonniev

Yes, Tina is all those things. I personally think she is absolutely fantastic.

Tina on words-l would be something. The thought of it has me GAMD so much
so that I can't stop.

I just got off the phone with her, she says she would like to be called
Queen LaTina (we saw Bringin Down the House w/ Queen Latifah) when she
arrives in Maine.

lisa

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >> PLEASE, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
> >
> >You seem to be way behind in mail.  Your penis faded away days
> >ago.  I'd
> >forgotten about it until you brought it back up.
>
> Having a life other then Words-l.

That is fine, and you don't have to explain an absence.  But I do think
it makes sense to notice the age of the postings you're saying "shut the
fuck up" to.  It wasn't likely that your penis would last that long as
an item of interest.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 4:20:41 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> The best way for me to describe Tina is to say she's a hot fucking shit.

Is that a good thing?

> I guess this is why I found it interesting when Bonnie said I
> posted protective of her.

You do, no question.

Karen

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> > PLEASE, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
>
> You seem to be way behind in mail.  Your penis faded away days ago.
I'd
> forgotten about it until you brought it back up.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

She said brought it back up. ;-)

           - D. M.

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I just went to http://dearraed.blogspot.com/ and read a little bit of
it.  Fwiw, it screams fake to me.  So much so that, unlike Tony, I
couldn't find anything interesting about it.  Maybe I didn't read enough
of it.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > forgotten about it until you brought it back up.

> She said brought it back up. ;-)

Yes, indeed.  I chose my words carefully.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Today, Ana and I went on a two-hour hike along the Chain of
>>
>
> Is today some kind of Yankee holiday?
>


        Yes, indeed.  It is that Yankee-est of Yankee Holidays:
Spring Break.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Yes, indeed.  It is that Yankee-est of Yankee Holidays:
> Spring Break.

Ah so.  I don't think of spring break as at all Yankee.  I just think of
it as <newish>.  It didn't exist back when I was in hs or when I was
teaching hs.  I think it might have when I was in college, though.  I'm
pretty sure that that's when our choir tour always was, minimizing our
class absences.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-03-24 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, March 24, 2003, 1:29:49 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I have been the only user of this for a while, and I don't expect
> > anybody to find "CPAN" or Sanskrit dictionaries that useful ...
>
> Why are you using Sanskrit dictionaries?

I don't like this tone. Who is this information meant for? Homeland
Security, or INS? Why could I not be interested in an online Sanskrit
dictionary, *K-R-N*? Are you suggesting I lug it around in a backpack?
Give me back my FUCKING SANSKRIT DICTIONARY TOOLBAR!

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Yes, indeed.  It is that Yankee-est of Yankee Holidays:
>>Spring Break.
>>
>
> Ah so.  I don't think of spring break as at all Yankee.  I just think of
> it as <newish>.  It didn't exist back when I was in hs or when I was
> teaching hs.  I think it might have when I was in college, though.  I'm
> pretty sure that that's when our choir tour always was, minimizing our
> class absences.
>


        It isn't Yankee at all, of course, this being *Missouri*.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         It isn't Yankee at all, of course, this being *Missouri*.

I agree that spring break isn't Yankee, but Missouri certainly is.
Gosh, I miss my dead friend who used to shake her head about things her
Yankee husband did.  He was from St. Louis.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 04:47 PM 3/24/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Monday, March 24, 2003, 4:20:41 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> > The best way for me to describe Tina is to say she's a hot fucking shit.
>
>Is that a good thing?

Oh yeah definitely.

lisa

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At 09:45 PM 3/23/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Susan Sarandon is one good-looking broad!
>
>I think I'm in love.
>
>ET #3

Mmmm hmmm.. she exudes power and sexuality. Very hot!

lisa

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02003-03-24 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> At 09:45 PM 3/23/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >Susan Sarandon is one good-looking broad!
> >
> >I think I'm in love.
> >
> >ET #3
>
> Mmmm hmmm.. she exudes power and sexuality. Very hot!

To me she looks like she exudes B.O.

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        Midwesterners certainly do odd things, but they're not
Yankees.  As a southern belle, you are not qualified to
judge who is or is not a Yankee.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        It isn't Yankee at all, of course, this being *Missouri*.
>>
>
> I agree that spring break isn't Yankee, but Missouri certainly is.
> Gosh, I miss my dead friend who used to shake her head about things her
> Yankee husband did.  He was from St. Louis.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 5:28:50 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-24 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
>> At 09:45 PM 3/23/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>> >Susan Sarandon is one good-looking broad!
>> >
>> >I think I'm in love.
>> >
>> >ET #3
>>
>> Mmmm hmmm.. she exudes power and sexuality. Very hot!

> To me she looks like she exudes B.O.

Isn't that sexy to Indians?

ET #3

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02003-03-24 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Not for me, but this particular thing is a heavy growth, very
> bushy and free. I was wondering if Tushar's suburban zoning
> would rule out anything this ungroomed.

That answer is yes. Hippies stay out ...

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02003-03-24 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, March 24, 2003, 5:28:50 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-24 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> >> At 09:45 PM 3/23/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >> >Susan Sarandon is one good-looking broad!
> >> >
> >> >I think I'm in love.
> >> >
> >> >ET #3
> >>
> >> Mmmm hmmm.. she exudes power and sexuality. Very hot!
>
> > To me she looks like she exudes B.O.
>
> Isn't that sexy to Indians?

What's it to me? I am completely Americanized.

Besides, if you touched S***n S******n on the arm it would
feel like the slightly uncooked fat at the sides of a hurriedly
done fish.

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 5:35:45 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-24 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Monday, March 24, 2003, 5:28:50 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-03-24 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
>> >> At 09:45 PM 3/23/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>> >> >Susan Sarandon is one good-looking broad!
>> >> >
>> >> >I think I'm in love.
>> >> >
>> >> >ET #3
>> >>
>> >> Mmmm hmmm.. she exudes power and sexuality. Very hot!
>>
>> > To me she looks like she exudes B.O.
>>
>> Isn't that sexy to Indians?

> What's it to me? I am completely Americanized.

> Besides, if you touched S***n S******n on the arm it would
> feel like the slightly uncooked fat at the sides of a hurriedly
> done fish.

It's not her arm I want to touch. Jeeeeze!

ET #3

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In the movie "The Horse Whisperer", does Robt. Redford's
character die?

Karen

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02003-03-24 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, March 24, 2003, 5:35:45 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-24 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Monday, March 24, 2003, 5:28:50 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > 02003-03-24 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> >> >> At 09:45 PM 3/23/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >Susan Sarandon is one good-looking broad!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I think I'm in love.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >ET #3
> >> >>
> >> >> Mmmm hmmm.. she exudes power and sexuality. Very hot!
> >>
> >> > To me she looks like she exudes B.O.
> >>
> >> Isn't that sexy to Indians?
>
> > What's it to me? I am completely Americanized.
>
> > Besides, if you touched S***n S******n on the arm it would
> > feel like the slightly uncooked fat at the sides of a hurriedly
> > done fish.
>
> It's not her arm I want to touch. Jeeeeze!

Then please don't talk to a sensitive guy like me.

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Adam Osborne, portable computer pioneer, dead at 64
Monday March 24, 5:58 pm ET
By Eric Auchard
>NEW YORK, March 24 (Reuters) - Adam Osborne, whose successes and failures
pioneering the first portable computer became one of Silicon Valley's
great cautionary tales, is dead at 64 after a long illness.
....
The popularity of the 23-pound luggable computer he introduced in 1981
made his start-up, Osborne Computer Corp., the fastest-growing company up
to that time, thanks in part to his willingness to cut the cost of
computers nearly in half compared with rivals such as first-to-market
Apple Computer.

But the rigors of "hypergrowth" -- a term coined to describe his company's
rise -- ended in an even quicker plunge into bankruptcy two years later,
making Osborne's legacy a textbook study of the perils of undisciplined
growth.

A later generation of dot-com entrepreneurs would come to repeat his
mistakes on an even more spectacular scale.<

Shortly after the Osborne-1 came out, Asa Bishop insisted that I go look
at one. I did and said that I was not going to use a 5-inch monitor
screen. Asa pointed out that for $100 I could buy an additional monitor
and plug it in. At that time, I had a grant to buy a computer for the lx
program. We were about to buy an Apple, but I quickly calculated that we
could buy 2 Osbornes for the price of 1 Apple. And the Osborne came with 5
software programs, including WordStar (remember that?). I ordered 2
Osbornes, complete with external monitors and printers. I put one in my
office, then asked who else on the lx committee wanted the other one. No
one did, so I took it home. So from that year - about 1981 - I was able
to carry disks back and forth.

I loved the Osbornes. I used it for all my academic work. I also took the
first examination taken with a computer in the law school on one. And I
wrote all my law school papers on one, edited the law school newspaper on
one, etc.

Thank you, Adam! I love you, man!

Bethany

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I just noticed that my neighbors' f'ing Lawn Service cut down my pampas
grass all the way to the ground -- the pampas grass that I've been
nurturing and watching and hoping to get big and bushy and wonderful.
Maybe this is good.  Maybe it will make it zoom up high and proud even
faster.  But I think maybe I should put something like a little wire
thing beside each one of them.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         Midwesterners certainly do odd things, but they're not
> Yankees.  As a southern belle, you are not qualified to
> judge who is or is not a Yankee.

Indeed I am.  And indeed Midwesterners are Yankees.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > To me she looks like she exudes B.O.
>
> Isn't that sexy to Indians?

Have we already discussed the male sweat put on women's upper lips that
made them be in happier moods?  That was an interesting research report,
but I can't remember now whether we talked about it since I think it was
right before I left on my regional travels spring break.  It was
definitely pre-war -- back when other news was reported.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> It's not her arm I want to touch. Jeeeeze!

I haven't been following some of these threads carefully (or at all) and
may be totally confused, but little snippets from time to time have made
me wonder whether Karen is trying to <do a BrP> -- trying to tell us
that she's decided she's gay.  Is that right, or is it my alzheimerish
brain getting things mushed up?

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> In the movie "The Horse Whisperer", does Robt. Redford's
> character die?

I saw that movie, but I can't remember much about it except that a man
did good things for a little girl by talking to a horse.

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02003-03-20 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> [...]
> Uh, I am not going on with it. It has become too long a message already.
> I only add that I regret I know so little myself about people in the
> world. But I'd think thrice before I'd identify an Indian as a member
> of one or other people living in India. For I do not know much of the
> peoples there, I must alwas look it up in clever books, and I do not
> know either how important it might be for one to be identified in the
> right way.

This is from a while ago, but I'll answer anyway--I don't even slightly
care if I am "identified" as Arab, Tanzanian or from the sultanate of
kurdistan, let alone from some other part of India. In my case at least,
people can't be expected to know. (My first taste of this, as a matter of
fact, was provided by words-l, when some pompous ass from MIT or Princeton
or something explained patiently to me how some aspect of English works,
with easy examples from Hindi or Bengali--one of them presumably being
my language. My latest taste of this was finding out that some of my
friends for four years think I am Muslim. I'm just saying ...)

As for land grabs, and random people moving in, and generally being
heedless of what the culture is about, and being stupid barbarians
overall--I have had my share of it. Not a lot, but I do know how it
feels. Whatever the reality, the mental MODEL is invariably that of
an invading upper class tolerating a lower class which resists them
for no reason ... "why don't they just go away", "with all we have
done for them" etc. Upper classes like this are remarkably deaf.

Now that I think about it, my first months in college were like this
too--of course it was I who had signed up to be treated as a stupid,
slow guy, and in retrospect, it seems they even gave me an unconscious
hint by losing my application without a trace. But for whatever reason,
it didn't seem such an impossible leap for me, so I kept at it, and
managed to get in a couple of weeks into the term, and regardless of
what happened initially, from the second year on it was very satisfying.
"Beginnings are just that, merely beginnings ..."

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02003-03-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >         Midwesterners certainly do odd things, but they're not
> > Yankees.  As a southern belle, you are not qualified to
> > judge who is or is not a Yankee.
>
> Indeed I am.  And indeed Midwesterners are Yankees.

That's true, Rita is talking BS. Would this meaning of "Yankee"
even exist without southern belle types defining it?

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 6:16:19 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> It's not her arm I want to touch. Jeeeeze!

> I haven't been following some of these threads carefully (or at all) and
> may be totally confused, but little snippets from time to time have made
> me wonder whether Karen is trying to <do a BrP> -- trying to tell us
> that she's decided she's gay.  Is that right, or is it my alzheimerish
> brain getting things mushed up?

I think your brain is getting things mushed up. I certainly want
to <do BrP>. But that doesn't mean that I don't want to do Susan
Sarandon, too.

Though not together.

Necessarily.

Not that I'll have the opportunity.

ET #3

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I haven't read the book and can't remember how the movie ended, but if
your question is related to your having read the book and seen this man
die in the end and having been discussing it with somebody who saw the
movie but didn't read the book and having that person say that he didn't
die, then my guess is that he didn't die in the movie.  That's based on
this:

************
Fans of
 the book may quibble with the film's altered ending, and with the
manipulation of
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
************
from: http://insights.uca.org.au/reviews/movies/horse_whisperer.htm

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02003-03-24 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-23 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> > > > > > You-u, stupid girl!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Glad to see that re developing your skills you've got a huge
> > > > > potential, Tushar ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Sometimes I think, all I need is a few sober days ...
> > >
> > > Don't you think that would diminish it?
> >
> > And at other times I think, you are the only one who understands me ...
>
> LOL. Broadminded as I am. Now which carpet should I choose here in the
> office to bite?...

Bite a carpet? Do I want to know what this means?

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02003-03-24 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, March 24, 2003, 6:16:19 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >> It's not her arm I want to touch. Jeeeeze!
>
> > I haven't been following some of these threads carefully (or at all) and
> > may be totally confused, but little snippets from time to time have made
> > me wonder whether Karen is trying to <do a BrP> -- trying to tell us
> > that she's decided she's gay.  Is that right, or is it my alzheimerish
> > brain getting things mushed up?
>
> I think your brain is getting things mushed up. I certainly want
> to <do BrP>. But that doesn't mean that I don't want to do Susan
> Sarandon, too.
>
> Though not together.
>
> Necessarily.
>
> Not that I'll have the opportunity.
>
> ET #3

Our diagnosis of brain mush is, uh, differently directed ...

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> That's true, Rita is talking BS. Would this meaning of "Yankee"
> even exist without southern belle types defining it?

?  I'm not sure whether I totally understand your question.  It is quite
well known that the definition of "yankee" varies regionally.

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 6:25:09 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I haven't read the book and can't remember how the movie ended, but if
> your question is related to your having read the book and seen this man
> die in the end and having been discussing it with somebody who saw the
> movie but didn't read the book and having that person say that he didn't
> die, then my guess is that he didn't die in the movie.

No, my interest is entirely onanistic. That is, I saw the movie,
and I just finished listening to the book on MP3, and I was
shocked at the ending. I didn't remember being shocked at the
ending of the movie.

ET #3

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Monday, March 24, 2003, 6:16:19 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >> It's not her arm I want to touch. Jeeeeze!
>
> > I haven't been following some of these threads carefully (or at all) and
> > may be totally confused, but little snippets from time to time have made
> > me wonder whether Karen is trying to <do a BrP> -- trying to tell us
> > that she's decided she's gay.  Is that right, or is it my alzheimerish
> > brain getting things mushed up?
>
> I think your brain is getting things mushed up. I certainly want
> to <do BrP>. But that doesn't mean that I don't want to do Susan
> Sarandon, too.
>
> Though not together.
>
> Necessarily.
>
> Not that I'll have the opportunity.

Your response makes me think that my brain is even more screwed up than
I had thought it might be.  I don't know who Susan Sarandon is (though
I've seen the name), but I guessed from the name that she was female.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
>
>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>        Midwesterners certainly do odd things, but they're not
>>>Yankees.  As a southern belle, you are not qualified to
>>>judge who is or is not a Yankee.
>>>
>>Indeed I am.  And indeed Midwesterners are Yankees.
>>
>
> That's true, Rita is talking BS. Would this meaning of "Yankee"
> even exist without southern belle types defining it?


        Well, I suppose they need something to do.

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In a message dated 03/24/2003 2:11:19 PM Central Standard Time,
bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<<
Is Evelyn back yet?


>>

Yep.  Had to go to Sears to get a new VCR today since the old one
died this morning.  This one isn't as nice as the old one (can't change
channels by pressing the number buttons), but I'll get used to it.

Evelyn Duncan
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The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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In a message dated 03/24/2003 4:32:23 PM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
Welcome back!!  We missed you.

>>

Thanks!  I missed you all, too.

Evelyn Duncan
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gets the cheese.

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02003-03-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > That's true, Rita is talking BS. Would this meaning of "Yankee"
> > even exist without southern belle types defining it?
>
> ?  I'm not sure whether I totally understand your question.  It is quite
> well known that the definition of "yankee" varies regionally.

Those other regions have BS definitions.

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02003-03-24 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> >>Rita Chapman wrote:
> >>
> >>>       Midwesterners certainly do odd things, but they're not
> >>>Yankees.  As a southern belle, you are not qualified to
> >>>judge who is or is not a Yankee.
> >>>
> >>Indeed I am.  And indeed Midwesterners are Yankees.
> >>
> >
> >That's true, Rita is talking BS. Would this meaning of "Yankee"
> >even exist without southern belle types defining it?
>
>
>        Well, I suppose they need something to do.

Instead of being gelous how about defining something constructive
yourself?

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On Monday, March 24, 2003 at 18:25, Tushar Samant wrote:

> > LOL. Broadminded as I am. Now which carpet should I choose here in the
> > office to bite?...
>
> Bite a carpet? Do I want to know what this means?

Surely not related to pillow-biting or sushi-eating or anything like
*that*.

George Leroy xxxxbiter

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This was said by a Pentagon spokeswoman named Victoria Clarke:

***************************
                  "We said repeatedly that one of the
                  reasons you work so hard to avoid going
                  to war is because bad things happen
                  and people die and that is awful, but if
                  you have context on this plan, it is going,
                  according to most people who have the
                  right kind of context, about as we
                  expected," she said.
****************************
from: http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/24/sprj.irq.pentagon/index.html

"Work so hard to avoid going to war."  Uh huh.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > ?  I'm not sure whether I totally understand your question.  It is quite
> > well known that the definition of "yankee" varies regionally.
>
> Those other regions have BS definitions.

I'm not sure that "BS definitions" makes any sense for such a term.

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02003-03-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> This was said by a Pentagon spokeswoman named Victoria Clarke:
>
> ***************************
>                   "We said repeatedly that one of the
>                   reasons you work so hard to avoid going
>                   to war is because bad things happen
>                   and people die and that is awful, but if
>                   you have context on this plan, it is going,
>                   according to most people who have the
>                   right kind of context, about as we
>                   expected," she said.
> ****************************
> from: http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/24/sprj.irq.pentagon/index.html
>
> "Work so hard to avoid going to war."  Uh huh.

Is this really new? I think we even heard this on the list ...
that brain mush does take its toll :-)

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-24 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>02003-03-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>      Midwesterners certainly do odd things, but they're not
>>>>>Yankees.  As a southern belle, you are not qualified to
>>>>>judge who is or is not a Yankee.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Indeed I am.  And indeed Midwesterners are Yankees.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>That's true, Rita is talking BS. Would this meaning of "Yankee"
>>>even exist without southern belle types defining it?
>>>
>>
>>       Well, I suppose they need something to do.
>>
>
> Instead of being gelous how about defining something constructive
> yourself?


        I don't have to.  I'm the Official Voice of Words-L.

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02003-03-24 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:
>
> << Welcome back.  I hope getting away was productive. >>
>
> Thanks!  I've started reading Dianetics; I hope it helps.

Where did you get that idea? Everything I have read on the
net says it hurts.

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02003-03-24 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>02003-03-24 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>>02003-03-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
>>>>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>     Midwesterners certainly do odd things, but they're not
>>>>>>Yankees.  As a southern belle, you are not qualified to
>>>>>>judge who is or is not a Yankee.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Indeed I am.  And indeed Midwesterners are Yankees.
>>>>>
>>>>That's true, Rita is talking BS. Would this meaning of "Yankee"
>>>>even exist without southern belle types defining it?
>>>
>>>      Well, I suppose they need something to do.
>>
>>Instead of being gelous how about defining something constructive
>>yourself?
>
>       I don't have to.  I'm the Official Voice of Words-L.

It's a bigger responsibility than you think, "Rita".

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02003-03-23 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> It can't be you're supposed to choose one source?  Because I put in
> Tushar Samant and hit GO and got an error message.  Of course if I
> hit GROUPS with the same search I will come up with zillions of stupid
> hits.

OK, I understand this completely now. You naturally thought GO would
do all searches. It doesn't, I am afraid, Borkin. You'd better treat
all the words up there as so much programmer talk. "Yellow" means
search the yellow pages etc. It's just a router of searches, done
because I frequently search something in the dictionary immediately
followed by a google search, and it was beginning to piss me off to
have to type the same word in different forms.

Now if you use w3m--the only browser--and switch on the "dictionary
lookup" feature--coincidentally contributed by T Bone--then with your
cursor on any word and a single keystroke, you can move to a form
like this with the word already filled in. Pretty excellent, huh

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In a message dated 03/24/2003 6:56:11 PM Central Standard Time,
scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<<
Where did you get that idea? Everything I have read on the
net says it hurts.

>>

Well, I've had it with traditional psychiatry.  That did more
to hurt me than help.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Tony Harminc wrote:

> On Monday, March 24, 2003 at 18:25, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > LOL. Broadminded as I am. Now which carpet should I choose here in the
> > > office to bite?...
> >
> > Bite a carpet? Do I want to know what this means?
>
> Surely not related to pillow-biting or sushi-eating or anything like
> *that*.
>
> George Leroy xxxxbiter

Porgy!
clo

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02003-03-24 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> > > > It's odd, but somehow it's the ex-Soviet people around here who
> > > > bristle immediately at names like "Iraqi Freedom Campaign" etc.
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > > As an answer to your thinking it's odd: It is because they've heard
> > > too much empty words.
> >
> > No, I also think they recognize them faster and have "associations"
>
> It was what I meant (and I am a bit confused how else could my words be
> interpreted-- but I have only read this message today, so it'll perhaps
> be clear to me soon).

The interpretation hinges on the word "empty". These may be empty
words in the sense they refer to nothing real, but they are highly
charged. They have "meta" meanings.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 03/24/2003 6:56:11 PM Central Standard Time,
> scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> <<
> Where did you get that idea? Everything I have read on the
> net says it hurts.
>
>
>
> Well, I've had it with traditional psychiatry.  That did more
> to hurt me than help.
>


        You don't have enough money for dianetics.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Is this really new? I think we even heard this on the list ...
> that brain mush does take its toll :-)

True about the brain mush, but I don't remember seeing this Pentagon
person's statement until a little while ago.  The beginning of the story
said "Pentagon officials... Monday" and the date at the top said this:
Monday, March 24, 2003 Posted: 5:54 PM EST (2254 GMT)

(I didn't go in search of that.  It was still sitting there in the
background window when I came back in here and started reading mail
again.)

Or are you talking about the <concept> -- the joke about trying to avoid
war?  That, of course, isn't something that's new.  Dubya has furrowed
his brow for the public for weeks, trying to pretend that he wasn't
chomping at the bits.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Monday, March 24, 2003, 6:16:19 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >> It's not her arm I want to touch. Jeeeeze!
>
> > I haven't been following some of these threads carefully (or at all) and
> > may be totally confused, but little snippets from time to time have made
> > me wonder whether Karen is trying to <do a BrP> -- trying to tell us
> > that she's decided she's gay.  Is that right, or is it my alzheimerish
> > brain getting things mushed up?
>
> I think your brain is getting things mushed up. I certainly want
> to <do BrP>. But that doesn't mean that I don't want to do Susan
> Sarandon, too.
> Though not together.
> Necessarily.
> Not that I'll have the opportunity.

Jeff, I can see you and I are going to have to have a little talk...
clo

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I don't have to.  I'm the Official Voice of Words-L.

No, you are just the voice of non-imflammatory behavior.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie, Tushar:

> > "Work so hard to avoid going to war."  Uh huh.

>Is this really new? I think we even heard this on the list ...
>that brain mush does take its toll :-)

Why the smiley? Are you trying to be inflammatory?

-rashmi

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02003-03-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > I'm still trying to figure out what any of this has to do with Hands
> > > Across America.  That's still flopping around in my head as a mystery.
> >
> > Let it go!
>
> I hate mysteries, especially when I think they may be representing the
> loss of more brain cells from my head.  I worry about galloping
> alzheimers.

I see ... well it was before my time so I don't give a rat's ass,
but possibly it refers to the fact that the most fundamental divide
in America in our era (Republicans/Democrats) is perhaps not as cut
and dried after all ... and hands across America proved that the hard-
headed element sworn to the betterment of the nation does sometimes
condescend to do the kind of soft-headed things which make the stupid,
lax, incompetent and ungrateful element feel good. If you recall it
was Reagan or somebody like that who started hands across America.

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02003-03-24 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> 02003-03-24 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> > > > > It's odd, but somehow it's the ex-Soviet people around here who
> > > > > bristle immediately at names like "Iraqi Freedom Campaign" etc.
> > >
> > > Yes.
> > >
> > > > As an answer to your thinking it's odd: It is because they've heard
> > > > too much empty words.
> > >
> > > No, I also think they recognize them faster and have "associations"
> >
> > It was what I meant (and I am a bit confused how else could my words be
> > interpreted-- but I have only read this message today, so it'll perhaps
> > be clear to me soon).
>
> The interpretation hinges on the word "empty". These may be empty
> words in the sense they refer to nothing real, but they are highly
> charged. They have "meta" meanings.

And I saw it explained in understandable marketing terms in some paper
today ... probably not Wall Street Journal since I think I saw color
photos, but my memory's vague now.

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02003-03-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Rita Chapman wrote:
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> >         I don't have to.  I'm the Official Voice of Words-L.
>
> No, you are just the voice of non-imflammatory behavior.

That is the official voice.

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02003-03-24 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> >scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
> >
> ><<
> >Where did you get that idea? Everything I have read on the
> >net says it hurts.
> >
> >
> >Well, I've had it with traditional psychiatry.  That did more
> >to hurt me than help.
>
>
>        You don't have enough money for dianetics.

What do they do? Kick you out if you don't have money?

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02003-03-25 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Natalie, Tushar:
>
> >> "Work so hard to avoid going to war."  Uh huh.
>
> >Is this really new? I think we even heard this on the list ...
> >that brain mush does take its toll :-)
>
> Why the smiley? Are you trying to be inflammatory?

Goddamit Rashmi, it doesn't work if you talk about it!

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In a message dated 03/24/2003 7:22:15 PM Central Standard Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<
You don't have enough money for dianetics.

>>

Had enough money to buy the book, and they send me free
stuff all the time.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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> > http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/Dreamscape/door.jpg
>
> I love your house!  The front porch makes me want to stroll up and sit a
> spell.  I'm having trouble telling exactly what the main color of the
> house is, but I can tell I like it.  I love the blue trim.

I love clo's house, too.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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02003-03-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Or are you talking about the <concept> -- the joke about trying to avoid
> war?  That, of course, isn't something that's new.  Dubya has furrowed
> his brow for the public for weeks, trying to pretend that he wasn't
> chomping at the bits.

Yeah, then what kind of keen political sense does it take to
repeat the line? They do have some standards for spokespersons
you know. "We didn't want to ... grieves us to have to ... but
now that we have decided ... everything is cool ... going as
expected ... " etc etc ... even I can do it.

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 7:06:13 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>> Monday, March 24, 2003, 6:16:19 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > Karen Kay wrote:
>> >> It's not her arm I want to touch. Jeeeeze!
>>
>> > I haven't been following some of these threads carefully (or at all) and
>> > may be totally confused, but little snippets from time to time have made
>> > me wonder whether Karen is trying to <do a BrP> -- trying to tell us
>> > that she's decided she's gay.  Is that right, or is it my alzheimerish
>> > brain getting things mushed up?
>>
>> I think your brain is getting things mushed up. I certainly want
>> to <do BrP>. But that doesn't mean that I don't want to do Susan
>> Sarandon, too.
>> Though not together.
>> Necessarily.
>> Not that I'll have the opportunity.

> Jeff, I can see you and I are going to have to have a little talk...

A *little* talk???? Ain't no such thing.:)

ET #3

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02003-03-24 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Tony Harminc wrote:
> > On Monday, March 24, 2003 at 18:25, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > > LOL. Broadminded as I am. Now which carpet should I choose here in the
> > > > office to bite?...
> > >
> > > Bite a carpet? Do I want to know what this means?
> >
> > Surely not related to pillow-biting or sushi-eating or anything like
> > *that*.
> >
> > George Leroy xxxxbiter
>
> Porgy!

I just want to say I have nothing to do with this nonsense.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > > > I'm still trying to figure out what any of this has to do with Hands
> > > > Across America.  That's still flopping around in my head as a mystery.
> > >
> > > Let it go!
> >
> > I hate mysteries, especially when I think they may be representing the
> > loss of more brain cells from my head.  I worry about galloping
> > alzheimers.
>
> I see ... well it was before my time so I don't give a rat's ass,
> but possibly it refers to the fact that the most fundamental divide
> in America in our era (Republicans/Democrats) is perhaps not as cut
> and dried after all ... and hands across America proved that the hard-
> headed element sworn to the betterment of the nation does sometimes
> condescend to do the kind of soft-headed things which make the stupid,
> lax, incompetent and ungrateful element feel good. If you recall it
> was Reagan or somebody like that who started hands across America.

Sorry, but that still does not explain to my mushed brain why that was
said in response to something about the reaction of a grieving parent to
the death of his son.  Iirc, JMW said something like "they should hold
hands instead" and then specificed the Hands Across America thing.  Who
should hold hands?  The parents of the dead soldiers?

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >         I don't have to.  I'm the Official Voice of Words-L.
> >
> > No, you are just the voice of non-imflammatory behavior.
>
> That is the official voice.

Indeed.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> >        You don't have enough money for dianetics.
>
> What do they do? Kick you out if you don't have money?

I'm only vaguely aware of dianetics, but if it's considered part of the
US medical system, then I think the answer would be yes, wouldn't it?

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> > You're imagining things, Karen. "proceeds go to major corporations"
> > is a typical Steve Martin kinda joke.

>I guess I don't <get> his humor, then.

He's the best of the lot, as hosts go. He was in good form last night.

The best moment was that guy trying to play tonsil hockey with Halle
Berry. I was surprised there were no boos when Roman Polanski's
award was announced. I don't think there were any major fashion
boo-boos. What's the verdict, Doris?

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Or are you talking about the <concept> -- the joke about trying to avoid
> > war?  That, of course, isn't something that's new.  Dubya has furrowed
> > his brow for the public for weeks, trying to pretend that he wasn't
> > chomping at the bits.
>
> Yeah, then what kind of keen political sense does it take to
> repeat the line?

I hadn't exactly thought of it as keen political sense.

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 7:41:31 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>> >        You don't have enough money for dianetics.
>>
>> What do they do? Kick you out if you don't have money?

> I'm only vaguely aware of dianetics, but if it's considered part of the
> US medical system, then I think the answer would be yes, wouldn't it?

You are really funny tonight, Natalie.

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 7:42:40 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>> > You're imagining things, Karen. "proceeds go to major corporations"
>> > is a typical Steve Martin kinda joke.

>>I guess I don't <get> his humor, then.

> He's the best of the lot, as hosts go. He was in good form last night.

Later on, I thought he was quite funny.

> The best moment was that guy trying to play tonsil hockey with Halle
> Berry.

Adrien what's-his-face who was there with his Mom. That *was*
wonderful.

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In a message dated 03/24/2003 7:42:06 PM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
I'm only vaguely aware of dianetics, but if it's considered part of the
US medical system, then I think the answer would be yes, wouldn't it?

>>

No, it's outside the traditional medical and psychiatric system.

Evelyn Duncan
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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>  I was surprised there were no boos when Roman Polanski's
> award was announced.

Ok, I'm finally going to ask something I've been wondering about since
whoever first mentioned Roman Polanski in this discussion.  Why would
there be boos?  I don't follow movie stuff at all, which I think is
pretty obvious, but I'm somewhat aware of who he is.  I do remember
Charles Manson (he's still alive in jail, right?  was turned down fairly
recently for parole?), and I do remember vaguely a sex scandal that got
RP kicked out.  But why exactly would there have been booing at the
Academy Awards?  For the sex thing?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> What do they do? Kick you out if you don't have money?
>
> > I'm only vaguely aware of dianetics, but if it's considered part of the
> > US medical system, then I think the answer would be yes, wouldn't it?
>
> You are really funny tonight, Natalie.

Funny?  Why funny?  I'm not feeling particularly funny.  I'm feeling
depressed about this incredibly stupid war.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 03/24/2003 7:22:15 PM Central Standard Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
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> <<
> You don't have enough money for dianetics.
>
>
>
> Had enough money to buy the book, and they send me free
> stuff all the time.
>


        But you have to buy classes to reach higher levels of
enlightenment.  Or something like that.  Anyway, I'm not
supposed to talk about them since they dropped that lawsuit
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
>
>> I was surprised there were no boos when Roman Polanski's
>>award was announced.
>>
>
> Ok, I'm finally going to ask something I've been wondering about since
> whoever first mentioned Roman Polanski in this discussion.  Why would
> there be boos?  I don't follow movie stuff at all, which I think is
> pretty obvious, but I'm somewhat aware of who he is.  I do remember
> Charles Manson (he's still alive in jail, right?  was turned down fairly
> recently for parole?), and I do remember vaguely a sex scandal that got
> RP kicked out.  But why exactly would there have been booing at the
> Academy Awards?  For the sex thing?
>


        I think he still has statuatory rape charges hanging over his
head if he returns to the U.S. stemming from his fucking a
14-year-old.

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On 24 Mar 2003 at 20:32, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Had enough money to buy the book, and they send me free
> stuff all the time.

Does it make you at all suspicious that they send you free stuff
all the time?

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Natalie:

>  Ok, I'm finally going to ask something I've been wondering about since
>whoever first mentioned Roman Polanski in this discussion.  Why would
>  there be boos?  I don't follow movie stuff at all, which I think is
>  pretty obvious, but I'm somewhat aware of who he is.  I do remember
>Charles Manson (he's still alive in jail, right?  was turned down fairly
>recently for parole?), and I do remember vaguely a sex scandal that got
>  RP kicked out.  But why exactly would there have been booing at the
>  Academy Awards?  For the sex thing?

I don't know what you mean by "sex thing". I'm also confused by your
throwing in Charles Manson. What does he have to do with anything?

-rashmi

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> <<
> I'm only vaguely aware of dianetics, but if it's considered part of the
> US medical system, then I think the answer would be yes, wouldn't it?
> >>
>
> No, it's outside the traditional medical and psychiatric system.

I knew it was considered <non-traditional> but wasn't sure how it fit in
with the laughable US medical system.

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02003-03-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > > > > I'm still trying to figure out what any of this has to do with Hands
> > > > > Across America.  That's still flopping around in my head as a mystery.
> > > >
> > > > Let it go!
> > >
> > > I hate mysteries, especially when I think they may be representing the
> > > loss of more brain cells from my head.  I worry about galloping
> > > alzheimers.
> >
> > I see ... well it was before my time so I don't give a rat's ass,
> > but possibly it refers to the fact that the most fundamental divide
> > in America in our era (Republicans/Democrats) is perhaps not as cut
> > and dried after all ... and hands across America proved that the hard-
> > headed element sworn to the betterment of the nation does sometimes
> > condescend to do the kind of soft-headed things which make the stupid,
> > lax, incompetent and ungrateful element feel good. If you recall it
> > was Reagan or somebody like that who started hands across America.
>
> Sorry, but that still does not explain to my mushed brain why that was
> said in response to something about the reaction of a grieving parent to
> the death of his son.  Iirc, JMW said something like "they should hold
> hands instead" and then specificed the Hands Across America thing.  Who
> should hold hands?  The parents of the dead soldiers?

Oh. Sorry, I didn't realize the context. It may be that people who
shed tears publicly are, how you say, lily-livered poltroons, whose
negligible mental processes one can't presume to have a clue about,
but maybe holding hands makes them feel good.

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02003-03-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > >         I don't have to.  I'm the Official Voice of Words-L.
> > >
> > > No, you are just the voice of non-imflammatory behavior.
> >
> > That is the official voice.
>
> Indeed.

DON'T START AGAIN!

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         But you have to buy classes to reach higher levels of
> enlightenment.  Or something like that.  Anyway, I'm not
> supposed to talk about them since they dropped that lawsuit
> against me.

Lawsuit?

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I think he still has statuatory rape charges hanging over his
> head if he returns to the U.S. stemming from his fucking a
> 14-year-old.

So was he there to receive his award?  If so, why wasn't he arrested?

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02003-03-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > Or are you talking about the <concept> -- the joke about trying to avoid
> > > war?  That, of course, isn't something that's new.  Dubya has furrowed
> > > his brow for the public for weeks, trying to pretend that he wasn't
> > > chomping at the bits.
> >
> > Yeah, then what kind of keen political sense does it take to
> > repeat the line?
>
> I hadn't exactly thought of it as keen political sense.

Well, then there is nothing amazing about a droid lacking a keen
sense of anything ... OR IS THERE?

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> > << Welcome back.  I hope getting away was productive. >>
> >
> > Thanks!  I've started reading Dianetics; I hope it helps.
>
> Where did you get that idea? Everything I have read on the
> net says it hurts.

>From the Amazon site:

" Read This Instead of Dianetics, August 22, 2000
 Reviewer: A reader from Clearwater, Florida (NOT!)
If you are thinking about reading Dianetics or any such LRH book, or
even (gasp!) joining Scientology, I urge you to read this book first. It
exposes Hubbard for who he really was (or is, as some would say). He was
not a war hero, a nuclear physicist, or any of the other multitude of
things that he claimed to be. Such fanatical claims are to be believed
(unlike the Scientology bull) because the book is exhaustively
researched, with an extensive bibliography and with many footnotes.
Seriously, L. Ron Hubbard was an evil, paranoid, and highly complex
individual, although unquestionably a brilliant man. Many of the things
that he did are disturbing, it is amazing that people would eat all of
his dogma and do all of the ridicilous things that he asked. A brilliant
read."

                      - D. M.

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In a message dated 03/24/2003 7:56:52 PM Central Standard Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<
        But you have to buy classes to reach higher levels of
enlightenment.  Or something like that.
>>

What isn't like that?


Evelyn Duncan
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The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
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02003-03-24 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 03/24/2003 7:56:52 PM Central Standard Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> <<
>         But you have to buy classes to reach higher levels of
> enlightenment.  Or something like that.
> >>
>
> What isn't like that?

Buddhism. Go it

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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:03:49 -0600
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        I think he still has statuatory rape charges hanging over his
>>head if he returns to the U.S. stemming from his fucking a
>>14-year-old.
>>
>
> So was he there to receive his award?  If so, why wasn't he arrested?
>


        I don't think so.  I didn't watch the show, but that's what I
understand from listening to the radio -- that he can't come
back to the U.S. or he'll be arrested.

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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:05:31 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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I managed to take a few new photos with the new digital
camera before the batteries ran out.  There's  a nice one of
Ana and Vinnie on http://www.etext.org/~rita.

I think I'm working up a mini-fascination with the places I
take them for our hikes.

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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:06:25 -0600
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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 03/24/2003 7:56:52 PM Central Standard Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> <<
>         But you have to buy classes to reach higher levels of
> enlightenment.  Or something like that.
>
>
> What isn't like that?
>


        Actual spirituality.

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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:07:42 -0600
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        But you have to buy classes to reach higher levels of
>>enlightenment.  Or something like that.  Anyway, I'm not
>>supposed to talk about them since they dropped that lawsuit
>>against me.
>>
>
> Lawsuit?
>

        Yep.  They took offense to something on ETEXT, which is not
unusual, but they actually have lawyers.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >  Ok, I'm finally going to ask something I've been wondering about since
> >whoever first mentioned Roman Polanski in this discussion.  Why would
> >  there be boos?  I don't follow movie stuff at all, which I think is
> >  pretty obvious, but I'm somewhat aware of who he is.  I do remember
> >Charles Manson (he's still alive in jail, right?  was turned down fairly
> >recently for parole?), and I do remember vaguely a sex scandal that got
> >  RP kicked out.  But why exactly would there have been booing at the
> >  Academy Awards?  For the sex thing?
>
> I don't know what you mean by "sex thing".

The rape thing that Rita just mentioned.  I vaguely remembered it.

> I'm also confused by your
> throwing in Charles Manson. What does he have to do with anything?

I may have my movie people mixed up.  I'm not into movie people.  But
there's a very strong thing in my head telling me that Charles Manson
became <famous> (and jailed) for murdering the wife and friends of Roman
Polanski.  That's the first time I had ever heard of Roman Polanski --
except, as I said, I may have my movie people mixed up -- maybe it was
somebody with a similar name.  When I hear the name Polanski, I think
two things -- Manson and later sex scandal.

--
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02003-03-24 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> That's because she's on the Missouri side of the river:
> http://www.roadtripamerica.com/places/lady.htm

Hehe ... "townspeople decided to erect a shrine" ... Anyway,
what's your opinion about this, Alec?

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In a message dated 03/24/2003 8:03:50 PM Central Standard Time,
mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET writes:

<<
Does it make you at all suspicious that they send you free stuff
all the time?

>>

I'm on all sorts of mailing lists.  That's why I got suspicious when
my mail stopped coming (we had a substitute mailman, and the
card telling him which mailbox is ours got lost).  Anyway, I had
sent in for information several years ago and got on their list.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Sorry, but that still does not explain to my mushed brain why that was
> > said in response to something about the reaction of a grieving parent to
> > the death of his son.  Iirc, JMW said something like "they should hold
> > hands instead" and then specificed the Hands Across America thing.  Who
> > should hold hands?  The parents of the dead soldiers?
>
> Oh. Sorry, I didn't realize the context. It may be that people who
> shed tears publicly are, how you say, lily-livered poltroons, whose
> negligible mental processes one can't presume to have a clue about,
> but maybe holding hands makes them feel good.

The man wasn't shedding tears.  He was shaking his fist and saying bad
things about our Pres.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-03-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > > Sorry, but that still does not explain to my mushed brain why that was
> > > said in response to something about the reaction of a grieving parent to
> > > the death of his son.  Iirc, JMW said something like "they should hold
> > > hands instead" and then specificed the Hands Across America thing.  Who
> > > should hold hands?  The parents of the dead soldiers?
> >
> > Oh. Sorry, I didn't realize the context. It may be that people who
> > shed tears publicly are, how you say, lily-livered poltroons, whose
> > negligible mental processes one can't presume to have a clue about,
> > but maybe holding hands makes them feel good.
>
> The man wasn't shedding tears.  He was shaking his fist and saying bad
> things about our Pres.

The same derision applies no matter what he is doing. But since
I clearly don't know all the details, I will now withdraw from
this ...

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02003-03-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > I hadn't exactly thought of it as keen political sense.
> >
> > Well, then there is nothing amazing about a droid lacking a keen
> > sense of anything ... OR IS THERE?
>
> I guess not.  It's just that I wouldn't have thought at this stage one
> would make a public statement that ridiculous.

What a nonsense, Madam--if you think that a spokes-droid possesses a
sense for the ridiculous, it is in fact you who is the amazing one...

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 8:04:21 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 03/24/2003 7:56:52 PM Central Standard Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

> <<
>         But you have to buy classes to reach higher levels of
> enlightenment.  Or something like that.
>>>

> What isn't like that?

Quakerism. I'm taking a <free> class. They are even paying for my
books.

ET #3

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>But there's a very strong thing in my head telling me that Charles Manson
>became <famous> (and jailed) for murdering the wife and friends of Roman
>Polanski.

Yes.  Sharon Tate was married to Polanski, and was 8 months pregnant when
she was killed by Manson.

As for the statutory rape, Samantha Geimer (nee Gailey) was 13, not 14,
when Polanski forced himself on her after plying her with 'ludes and
champagne, but she doesn't have feelings of anger towards him any more.

Pete

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > I hadn't exactly thought of it as keen political sense.
>
> Well, then there is nothing amazing about a droid lacking a keen
> sense of anything ... OR IS THERE?

I guess not.  It's just that I wouldn't have thought at this stage one
would make a public statement that ridiculous.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> camera before the batteries ran out.  There's  a nice one of
> Ana and Vinnie on http://www.etext.org/~rita.

Great picture!

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In a message dated 03/24/2003 8:11:06 PM Central Standard Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<
Actual spirituality.

>>

I'm not looking for a religion; I'm looking for a course of study
to repair what psychiatry did.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:26:01 -0600
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Monday, March 24, 2003, 8:04:21 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
>>In a message dated 03/24/2003 7:56:52 PM Central Standard Time,
>>rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>>
>
>><<
>>        But you have to buy classes to reach higher levels of
>>enlightenment.  Or something like that.
>>
>
>>What isn't like that?
>>
>
> Quakerism. I'm taking a <free> class. They are even paying for my
> books.


        You know that Quakers are celibate, right?

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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:25:25 -0600
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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 03/24/2003 8:11:06 PM Central Standard Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> <<
> Actual spirituality.
>
>
>
> I'm not looking for a religion; I'm looking for a course of study
> to repair what psychiatry did.


        Religion and spirituality aren't the same thing.  But
Scientology is a religion or at the very least a belief
system.  Not sure how it repairs psychological damage, but
what the heck, knock yourself out.

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 8:26:01 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Monday, March 24, 2003, 8:04:21 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>>
>>>In a message dated 03/24/2003 7:56:52 PM Central Standard Time,
>>>rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>>>
>>
>>><<
>>>        But you have to buy classes to reach higher levels of
>>>enlightenment.  Or something like that.
>>>
>>
>>>What isn't like that?
>>>
>>
>> Quakerism. I'm taking a <free> class. They are even paying for my
>> books.


>         You know that Quakers are celibate, right?

NOT!

ET #3

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 8:05:31 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> I managed to take a few new photos with the new digital
> camera before the batteries ran out.  There's  a nice one of
> Ana and Vinnie on http://www.etext.org/~rita.

Sweet!

> I think I'm working up a mini-fascination with the places I
> take them for our hikes.

I think this means that you should be celibate.

ET #3

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On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Ok, I'm finally going to ask something I've been wondering about since
>whoever first mentioned Roman Polanski in this discussion.  Why would
>there be boos?  I don't follow movie stuff at all, which I think is

Roman Polanski is a coward. He raped a minor, then fled the country. He is
clearly unwilling to accept the consequences of his actions.

Bethany

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Religion and spirituality aren't the same thing.  But
> Scientology is a religion or at the very least a belief
> system.  Not sure how it repairs psychological damage, but
> what the heck, knock yourself out.

But does dianetics mean believing in everything about scientology?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         You know that Quakers are celibate, right?

I think you're confusing Quakers with Shakers.

--
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:37:11 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Monday, March 24, 2003, 8:26:01 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>>Monday, March 24, 2003, 8:04:21 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In a message dated 03/24/2003 7:56:52 PM Central Standard Time,
>>>>rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><<
>>>>       But you have to buy classes to reach higher levels of
>>>>enlightenment.  Or something like that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What isn't like that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Quakerism. I'm taking a <free> class. They are even paying for my
>>>books.
>>>
>
>
>>        You know that Quakers are celibate, right?
>>
>
> NOT!
>


        Oh, wait... am I thinking of the Shakers?

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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:38:07 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Monday, March 24, 2003, 8:05:31 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>I managed to take a few new photos with the new digital
>>camera before the batteries ran out.  There's  a nice one of
>>Ana and Vinnie on http://www.etext.org/~rita.
>>
>
> Sweet!


:).


>
>>I think I'm working up a mini-fascination with the places I
>>take them for our hikes.
>>
>
> I think this means that you should be celibate.
>


        My husband might object.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Roman Polanski is a coward. He raped a minor, then fled the country. He is
> clearly unwilling to accept the consequences of his actions.

As I said last night or this morning or whenever, I really don't know
much about the Academy Awards.  I thought they were about movie
acting/directing/etc.  I didn't know they were a political or moral or
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> I just had to get away for awhile.

I'm glad you're back, Evelyn.

--Adam
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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Oh, wait... am I thinking of the Shakers?

Yes.  Baby Quakers get made via sex.  Shakers have no babies.  Their
inductees are adults.  Or at least I think that's the case.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        You know that Quakers are celibate, right?
>>
>
> I think you're confusing Quakers with Shakers.
>


        Yup, I am.

        But I would enjoy Karen's celibacy more than I enjoy Bethany's.

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> > > You're imagining things, Karen. "proceeds go to major
corporations"
> > > is a typical Steve Martin kinda joke.
>
> >I guess I don't <get> his humor, then.
>
> He's the best of the lot, as hosts go. He was in good form last night.
>
> The best moment was that guy trying to play tonsil hockey with Halle
> Berry. I was surprised there were no boos when Roman Polanski's
> award was announced. I don't think there were any major fashion
> boo-boos. What's the verdict, Doris?
>
> -rashmi

Agree.  Steve Martin's the best.

Halle Berry was <shocked> by the exhuberant kiss.

Fashions were low key.  Nothing stood out for me.
Just nice dresses, no bare boobs to speak of,
and no weird or unusual lines.

Well, one guy had a rather strange tux, but I
can't remember who it was.  I was amazed at
how many men were not even wearing tuxes.
(Unless they were tuxes styled to look more
like business suits).

                   - D. M.

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In a message dated 03/24/2003 8:38:20 PM Central Standard Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<
Oh, wait... am I thinking of the Shakers?

>>

Yes.  They were very big in Ohio and the rest of the
Western Reserve.  They added to their numbers by
adopting children; they were one of the first groups
to believe in formal adoption instead of having children's
homes.  (At least, that's what I've read.)

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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It struck me in the bar the other day, how the hell did Gandhi even
do it? We did not learn a damn thing about Gandhi, but consider the
facts: he had the world's pansiest philosophy, and the Gangetic basin
is one of the world's macho-est regions. No, really. I understand some
people will try to say they know some other place which is significantly
more macho, but they will be wrong. This area can give any other a run
for its money--the sheer number of total heroes per capita, and the
honor and cred and family rep and readiness for violence etc is through
the roof. What kind of sociological wizardry made a Gandhian philosophy
popular at the time? I was just about to decide to read seriously about
it when I suddenly realized that would be a bit time-consuming. I am a
busy man ...

Besides, that's exactly when somebody once again freaking put "Dancing
Queen" on on the jukebox, causing me to head to the bathroom in a marked
manner. Because this song is absolute BS, it has no flavor, and precisely
because of that there are thousands of not so young midwestern females
going SQUEEEEAL! "Oh my GOD!" "I LOVE this song!" "It's my favorite"
"You too?" (mark the villainy here ... what were the odds it wasn't
her favorite?) *SHRIEK* let's make some ultra dorky moves in a half-
drunk state ... OH...my...GOD! BTW, if anyone wants to say "you don't
get it man", kindly zippit ... there is a hellish seed in this song
whose final flowering is the show called "Friends", and I will not
hear anything to the contrary. Grow up! Of course there are a couple
three d*kes in the place of a similar age, but are not moved by something
this stupid--but what I, a hard-bitten veteran, know for a fact is that
"Fernando" is soon to follow ... and when it comes on--of course it comes
on--the d*kes are all SQUEEAL ... I love this song! They got this out of
the mainstream taste.

And now if anybody needs to know what I am doing in a bar of this
description--it's close, the Guinness is not nasty and it's cheap.
Thank you ...

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> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 03/24/2003 7:22:15 PM Central Standard Time,
> > rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
> >
> > <<
> > You don't have enough money for dianetics.
> >
> >
> >
> > Had enough money to buy the book, and they send me free
> > stuff all the time.
> >
>
>
>         But you have to buy classes to reach higher levels of
> enlightenment.  Or something like that.  Anyway, I'm not
> supposed to talk about them since they dropped that lawsuit
> against me.
>

What?  What law suit?  Do we know about that?
Can you tell us?

             - D. M.

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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:45:56 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Religion and spirituality aren't the same thing.  But
>>Scientology is a religion or at the very least a belief
>>system.  Not sure how it repairs psychological damage, but
>>what the heck, knock yourself out.
>>
>
> But does dianetics mean believing in everything about scientology?
>

        I thought they were pretty much the same thing, or dianetics
leads to scientology or something like that.  I don't like
to read science fiction, so when I tried to read it out of
curiousity once I didn't make it very far.

        Which reminds me, I read a reference to Mt. Desert Island
today in _The Age of Innocence_.

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>
> > <<
> > I'm only vaguely aware of dianetics, but if it's considered part of
the
> > US medical system, then I think the answer would be yes, wouldn't
it?
> > >>
> >
> > No, it's outside the traditional medical and psychiatric system.
>
> I knew it was considered <non-traditional> but wasn't sure how it fit
in
> with the laughable US medical system.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

As far as I know it has nothing whatsoever to
do with any kind of medical system.

                  - D. M.

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Rita:
> to read science fiction, so when I tried to read it out of
> curiousity once I didn't make it very far.

I picked up a copy in the library once; all
the redefinitions of common words gave me such
a headache that I stopped halfway through page
one.

--
Richard             prius/pious... oh, *I* get it

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>  You know that Quakers are celibate, right?

Certainly not.

You are obviously thinking of the Fakers.

AS

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In a message dated 03/24/2003 8:44:57 PM Central Standard Time,
adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<<
I'm glad you're back, Evelyn.


>>

Thanks!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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> > I'm also confused by your
> > throwing in Charles Manson. What does he have to do with anything?
>
> I may have my movie people mixed up.  I'm not into movie people.  But
> there's a very strong thing in my head telling me that Charles Manson
> became <famous> (and jailed) for murdering the wife and friends of
Roman
> Polanski.  That's the first time I had ever heard of Roman Polanski --
> except, as I said, I may have my movie people mixed up -- maybe it was
> somebody with a similar name.  When I hear the name Polanski, I think
> two things -- Manson and later sex scandal.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

I think you have it pretty much right.
He murdered Polanski's wife Sharon Tate
and a bunch of other people who were there
in her house.

                               - D. M.






















>

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Besides, that's exactly when somebody once again freaking put "Dancing
> Queen" on on the jukebox, causing me to head to the bathroom in a marked
> manner. Because this song is absolute BS, it has no flavor, and precisely

I'm sorry that DQ interrupted your Gandhi thoughts because I was getting
into them.  But in defense of DQ, I must say that music of that kind can
be <meaningful> based on memories tying it to whatever.  DQ will forever
make me remember the summer in that apartment when I heard the news
about a water-skiing death of a teenager I'd known when he was a
toddler.  Pretty much everything about Abba takes me back to that time
and my memories of that boy and his parents and lots of other stuff.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > But does dianetics mean believing in everything about scientology?
> >
>         I thought they were pretty much the same thing, or dianetics
> leads to scientology or something like that.

Could be.  As I think I said earlier, I know almost nothing about
dianetics -- just that it was something <psychological> and was related
to Scientology.

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02003-03-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> I'm sorry that DQ interrupted your Gandhi thoughts

It didn't.

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> >  You know that Quakers are celibate, right?
>
> Certainly not.
>
> You are obviously thinking of the Fakers.
>
> AS
>

Ha. Ha. Ha.

      - D. M.

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Karen:

>Adrien what's-his-face who was there with his Mom. That *was*
>wonderful.

Brody. He has the perfect Modigliani face.

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 8:37:11 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Monday, March 24, 2003, 8:26:01 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>>
>>>>Monday, March 24, 2003, 8:04:21 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In a message dated 03/24/2003 7:56:52 PM Central Standard Time,
>>>>>rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>><<
>>>>>       But you have to buy classes to reach higher levels of
>>>>>enlightenment.  Or something like that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>What isn't like that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Quakerism. I'm taking a <free> class. They are even paying for my
>>>>books.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>        You know that Quakers are celibate, right?
>>>
>>
>> NOT!
>>


>         Oh, wait... am I thinking of the Shakers?

I don't know, but Shakers are celibate--they put all their sexual
energy into furniture.;)

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 8:41:46 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>        You know that Quakers are celibate, right?
>>>
>>
>> I think you're confusing Quakers with Shakers.
>>


>         Yup, I am.

>         But I would enjoy Karen's celibacy more than I enjoy Bethany's.

Why????

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 9:26:26 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Karen:

>>Adrien what's-his-face who was there with his Mom. That *was*
>>wonderful.

> Brody. He has the perfect Modigliani face.

Yeah, but he should never make babies with Almodovar's woman with
the Picasso face; I can't remember her name.

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Natalie:

>So was he there to receive his award?  If so, why wasn't he arrested?

He wasn't. He lives in the country whose name we dare not speak - the
coward!!!!

-rashmi





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>        Which reminds me, I read a reference to Mt. Desert Island
>today in _The Age of Innocence_.        --Rita

Was it a complimentary reference?


    --bonniev

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> Yes.  Sharon Tate was married to Polanski, and was 8 months pregnant when
> she was killed by Manson.
>
I thought Manson waited in the car and let the others kill people. Now I
wonder about my mind.

alyce

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Monday, March 24, 2003, 10:52:07 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Peter Kaminski wrote:
>> Yes.  Sharon Tate was married to Polanski, and was 8 months pregnant when
>> she was killed by Manson.
>>
> I thought Manson waited in the car and let the others kill people. Now I
> wonder about my mind.

You're technically right, but do you doubt his culpability for
those murders?

ET #3

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alyce cresap writes,

>I thought Manson waited in the car and let the others kill people. Now I
>wonder about my mind.

Sorry for the imprecision, Alyce.  You're right of course, and he was
convicted only of conspiracy to commit murder, not murder itself.

Pete

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Evelyn Duncan writes,

>I'm not looking for a religion; I'm looking for a course of study to
>repair what psychiatry did.

There are probably better books to start off with.  Some suggestions I
collected:

   The Power of Now: A Guide to Spiritual Enlightenment, by Eckhart Tolle

   Forgive for Good, by Fred Luskin

   various books by Wayne Dyer

   Awakening the Buddha Within: Tibetan Wisdom for the Western World, by
Surya Das

   Be Here Now, by Ram Dass

I'd suggest going to a good bookstore or library, browsing through some of
these and the other books around them, and see if any look interesting.

Pete

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Welcome back, Evelyn :-} I've missed you. {{{hugs}}} Theo

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On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

> > > http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/Dreamscape/door.jpg
> >
> > I love your house!  The front porch makes me want to stroll up and sit a
> > spell.  I'm having trouble telling exactly what the main color of the
> > house is, but I can tell I like it.  I love the blue trim.
>
> I love clo's house, too.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com

Thanks! :->
clo

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In a message dated 3/10/2003 6:15:24 AM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

<< Yeah, they're rough, I know.  Are they giving you
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Dilantin, I think. Too lazy to go look at the label. What is it supposed to
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > LOL. Broadminded as I am. Now which carpet should I choose here in the
> > office to bite?...
>
> Bite a carpet? Do I want to know what this means?

You need not try it, but sometimes it is inevitable.

Are you serious about your question? -- roflbtc, or maybe it was: roflbc

Kristin

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On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > >        You don't have enough money for dianetics.
> >
> > What do they do? Kick you out if you don't have money?
>
> I'm only vaguely aware of dianetics, but if it's considered part of the
> US medical system, then I think the answer would be yes, wouldn't it?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

In spite of being called the "science" of dianetics,
it's a path to spiritual enlightnment, created or publicized by L. Ron
Hubbard and co - the other name is the Church of Scientology.

I have known a couple of people who have gotten involved. One was sad
because he could not prove his commitment to the higher way by purchasing
the required lesson materials to rise to a higher plane. Another is still
buying insights.

ps - that's not to say that you can't gain some insights or meet some
interesting people - both of these people were interesting.
clo

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On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Monday, March 24, 2003, 8:04:21 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> >
> >>In a message dated 03/24/2003 7:56:52 PM Central Standard Time,
> >>rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
> >>
> >
> >><<
> >>        But you have to buy classes to reach higher levels of
> >>enlightenment.  Or something like that.
> >>
> >
> >>What isn't like that?
> >>
> >
> > Quakerism. I'm taking a <free> class. They are even paying for my
> > books.
>
>
>         You know that Quakers are celibate, right?
>
None of the ones I know are, and I'm not!
I think you are thinking of the Shakers.
clo

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20:45 24.03.2003 -0500 skrev Evelyn Duncan:
>In a message dated 03/24/2003 7:42:06 PM Central Standard Time,
>natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
><<
>I'm only vaguely aware of dianetics, but if it's considered part of the
>US medical system, then I think the answer would be yes, wouldn't it?
>
>>>
>
>No, it's outside the traditional medical and psychiatric system.

Don't touch it with an iron tong - this is part of Scientology.

Espen

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bonniev wrote:

>>        Which reminds me, I read a reference to Mt. Desert Island
>> today in _The Age of Innocence_.        --Rita
>
>
> Was it a complimentary reference?
>


        It has a paragraph describing it as the most fashionable
vacation spot for the young set too adventurous to go to
Newport.  Our protagonist longs to go, but his wife nixes it
as being too "native."

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Doris Markland wrote:

>>Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In a message dated 03/24/2003 7:22:15 PM Central Standard Time,
>>>rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>>>
>>><<
>>>You don't have enough money for dianetics.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Had enough money to buy the book, and they send me free
>>>stuff all the time.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>        But you have to buy classes to reach higher levels of
>>enlightenment.  Or something like that.  Anyway, I'm not
>>supposed to talk about them since they dropped that lawsuit
>>against me.
>>
>>
>
> What?  What law suit?  Do we know about that?
> Can you tell us?


        It's not very interesting.  The Paul Andrew Mitchell lawsuit
was way more fun.  So was that time I got my own ACLU lawyer.

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Monday, March 24, 2003, 8:41:46 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>
>>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>       You know that Quakers are celibate, right?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I think you're confusing Quakers with Shakers.
>>>
>>>
>
>
>>        Yup, I am.
>>
>
>>        But I would enjoy Karen's celibacy more than I enjoy Bethany's.
>>
>
> Why????
>

        Because it would somehow involve phlegm, pilates, and exotic
cheese.

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>        It has a paragraph describing it as the most fashionable
>vacation spot for the young set too adventurous to go to
>Newport.  Our protagonist longs to go, but his wife nixes it
>as being too "native."

That's great.   This was back in the late 1800s, right?   It was pretty
native, by modern standards.  They large wooden hotels had very few
bathrooms.  The water became contaminated at one of those hotels and there
was an outbreak of something nasty.  That's when they figured out how to
get water from Eagle Lake which is still done.

Even then it was a rather rigorous vacation spot.  People would go by horse
drawn buckboard from the village of Bar Harbor to the north end of Eagle
Lake.   They would then row across the lake (about two miles), portage to
Jordan Pond, hail the farm folk at the Jordan Pond House, paddle across the
mile of that pond, and then sit on the lawn of the farm and be served tea
and popovers.

The pictures are great from that time.   Long skirts and parasols.  Boaters
on the men.


    --bonniev

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I was unburying myself from accidentally saved emails this am, and ran
across this under-appreciated gem. I have not been following all the news
as closely as others; has he resurfaced at all?

As for a catchy name, I need help from the males in the group - do you
have a name for that thing that happens when you jump in the river on New
Year's Day? I was trying to improve on "Dick "hidden" Cheney and the image
suddenly rose up in my mind.
clo

On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> In WWII, General Douglas MacArthur was given the nickname "Dugout
> Doug."  Whether rightly deserved or not, it had sort of a ring to it.  Now
> we have Dick "Undisclosed Location" Cheney.  Somehow, it doesn't seem to be
> in the same ballpark.
>

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At 08:48 AM 3/25/2003 -0500, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>I was unburying myself from accidentally saved emails this am, and ran
>across this under-appreciated gem. I have not been following all the news
>as closely as others; has he resurfaced at all?

Briefly, but I think that he has gone to ground again.

>As for a catchy name, I need help from the males in the group - do you
>have a name for that thing that happens when you jump in the river on New
>Year's Day? I was trying to improve on "Dick "hidden" Cheney and the image
>suddenly rose up in my mind.

Total insanity?  Most of the names that I've heard have been the names of
the club that fosters such nonsense, e.g., Polar Bear Club, and the one in
Boston---the (something) Street Brownies, I think.

And yes, Natalie, we know---it's a Yankee thing.

cwv

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Say, I have a book about Maine that I highly recommend:
It's an outofprint kid's book called "Lost on a Mountain in Maine".

It's probably the most accurate title I have seen on a book.
The exclamations alone make it worth digging up. Crikey!
clo

On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, bonniev wrote:

> >        It has a paragraph describing it as the most fashionable
> >vacation spot for the young set too adventurous to go to
> >Newport.  Our protagonist longs to go, but his wife nixes it
> >as being too "native."
>
> That's great.   This was back in the late 1800s, right?   It was pretty
> native, by modern standards.  They large wooden hotels had very few
> bathrooms.  The water became contaminated at one of those hotels and there
> was an outbreak of something nasty.  That's when they figured out how to
> get water from Eagle Lake which is still done.
>
> Even then it was a rather rigorous vacation spot.  People would go by horse
> drawn buckboard from the village of Bar Harbor to the north end of Eagle
> Lake.   They would then row across the lake (about two miles), portage to
> Jordan Pond, hail the farm folk at the Jordan Pond House, paddle across the
> mile of that pond, and then sit on the lawn of the farm and be served tea
> and popovers.
>
> The pictures are great from that time.   Long skirts and parasols.  Boaters
> on the men.
>
>
>     --bonniev

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> I was unburying myself from accidentally saved emails this am, and ran
> across this under-appreciated gem. I have not been following all the news
> as closely as others; has he resurfaced at all?


He appeared on television, but the CIA was checking the tape to see if it was really him
or a body double and whether there were any references to recent events...


BrP

>
> As for a catchy name, I need help from the males in the group - do you
> have a name for that thing that happens when you jump in the river on New
> Year's Day? I was trying to improve on "Dick "hidden" Cheney and the image
> suddenly rose up in my mind.
> clo
>
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>
> > In WWII, General Douglas MacArthur was given the nickname "Dugout
> > Doug."  Whether rightly deserved or not, it had sort of a ring to it.  Now
> > we have Dick "Undisclosed Location" Cheney.  Somehow, it doesn't seem to be
> > in the same ballpark.
> >

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I'm wondering whether this is going to go anywhere.  If this server
shares the outgoing mailserver with Ra, it's not -- or at least not
anytime soon.  Ra is royally screwed up at the moment.

Anyway, I just read an editorial that ponders some of the points
we've been talking about lately and thought some of you might be
interested in it:
http://www.iht.com/articles/90840.htm

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> It struck me in the bar the other day, how the hell did Gandhi even
> do it?

    He was up against the British.  Anyone else and he'd never have made it
to the sea.

JMW

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On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> At 08:48 AM 3/25/2003 -0500, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> >I was unburying myself from accidentally saved emails this am, and ran
> >across this under-appreciated gem. I have not been following all the news
> >as closely as others; has he resurfaced at all?
>
> Briefly, but I think that he has gone to ground again.
>
> >As for a catchy name, I need help from the males in the group - do you
> >have a name for that thing that happens when you jump in the river on New
> >Year's Day? I was trying to improve on "Dick "hidden" Cheney and the image
> >suddenly rose up in my mind.
>
> Total insanity?  Most of the names that I've heard have been the names of
> the club that fosters such nonsense, e.g., Polar Bear Club, and the one in
> Boston---the (something) Street Brownies, I think.
>
> And yes, Natalie, we know---it's a Yankee thing.
>
> cwv
>

As attractive as Dick "Total Insanity" Cheney may be in some ways, this
misses the point of my question. I wouldn't need males to help me name the
Polar Bear Club, for I am a member myself. I was asking about a cute name
for the physiological response of certain male appendages upon being
dunked in icewater.

clo

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I think you might want to consider onomotopoeia.  I can think of the sound, but I
wouldn't know how to spell it.

helpfully,
BrP


>
> As attractive as Dick "Total Insanity" Cheney may be in some ways, this
> misses the point of my question. I wouldn't need males to help me name the
> Polar Bear Club, for I am a member myself. I was asking about a cute name
> for the physiological response of certain male appendages upon being
> dunked in icewater.
>
> clo

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At 09:20 AM 3/25/2003 -0500, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

>As attractive as Dick "Total Insanity" Cheney may be in some ways, this
>misses the point of my question. I wouldn't need males to help me name the
>Polar Bear Club, for I am a member myself. I was asking about a cute name
>for the physiological response of certain male appendages upon being
>dunked in icewater.

The "total insanity" referred to the practice, not to our stealth VP.  I
don't know of a term to describe the cold-water response, other than "IIEEEE!"

cwv

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Archive uses archive.msstate.edu for outgoing mail, not
smtp.msstate.edu.  That's convenient to know.  Now I need to get work
done, but I feel happy to have learned something new -- and to be able
to share it with all of you since I know that it will make your lives
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--
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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> You're technically right, but do you doubt his culpability for
> those murders?

Huh? Why are you wanting to argue? A statement was made that was untrue.
I asked for clarification. ( mentioned nothing about guilt or innocence.

alyce

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 8:46:46 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> You're technically right, but do you doubt his culpability for
>> those murders?

> Huh? Why are you wanting to argue? A statement was made that was untrue.
> I asked for clarification. ( mentioned nothing about guilt or innocence.

I'm not arguing. I'm asking for clarification.

ET #3

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On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Mutant City wrote:

> I'm wondering whether this is going to go anywhere.  If this server
> shares the outgoing mailserver with Ra, it's not -- or at least not
> anytime soon.  Ra is royally screwed up at the moment.
>
> Anyway, I just read an editorial that ponders some of the points
> we've been talking about lately and thought some of you might be
> interested in it:
> http://www.iht.com/articles/90840.htm
>

got it.
clo

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At 04:31 PM 3/24/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Welcome back!!  We missed you.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

When did you speak start speaking as the group?


alec

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> I'm not arguing. I'm asking for clarification.

Sorry, I am just not into Manson today.

alyce

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> At 04:31 PM 3/24/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >Welcome back!!  We missed you.
> >
> >--
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
> When did you speak start speaking as the group?
>
>
> alec

Natalie has always spoken as the group.  Where have you been Alec?


BrP

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At 04:46 PM 3/24/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
> > >> PLEASE, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
> > >
> > >You seem to be way behind in mail.  Your penis faded away days
> > >ago.  I'd
> > >forgotten about it until you brought it back up.
> >
> > Having a life other then Words-l.
>
>That is fine, and you don't have to explain an absence.  But I do think
>it makes sense to notice the age of the postings you're saying "shut the
>fuck up" to.  It wasn't likely that your penis would last that long as
>an item of interest.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Well, I respond to email in date order. So, sometimes the bear eats me,
other times I eat the bear.



alec



------------
Alec D. Plotkin
plotkina@isc.upenn.edu

"Peace cannot be kept by force.  It can only be achieved by understanding"
- Albert Einstein

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
> >Welcome back!!  We missed you.
> When did you speak start speaking as the group?

Our pronouns are sometimes messy that way.  There is no way to indicate
how many of us are included in my "we."  It was not intended to include
you, for example.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 08:32 PM 3/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 03/24/2003 7:22:15 PM Central Standard Time,
>rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
><<
>You don't have enough money for dianetics.
>
> >>
>
>Had enough money to buy the book, and they send me free
>stuff all the time.
>
>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
>gets the cheese.


A cult. Scary. Not suprised.


alec

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Pardon me while I rave a bit.  The Syracuse Friends of Chamber Music presented a
concert by I Musici on sunday night (http://www.imusici.info/homeng.html).  For the
chamber music fans, here is the program they did:
Corelli: Concerto grosso in D major
Tartini: Concerto in D minor for Violin and Strings
Rossini: Serenata Rossiniana for Cello, Strings and Cembalo
J.S. Bach: Concerto in F minor for Cembalo and Strings ((BWV 1056)
J.S. Bach: Concerto in D minor for Two Violins and Strings (BWV 1043)

the encore was "two minutes of Vivaldi"


I am a big fan of chamber music.  This was some of the best I have ever heard.  I sat in
the front row.   mmmmmmmmmm


BrP

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At 10:06 AM 3/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > At 04:31 PM 3/24/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > >Welcome back!!  We missed you.
> > >
> > >--
> > >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> > >     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
> >
> > When did you speak start speaking as the group?
> >
> >
> > alec
>
>Natalie has always spoken as the group.  Where have you been Alec?
>
>
>BrP

I never liked it, just never commented.


alec

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> >Natalie has always spoken as the group.  Where have you been Alec?
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> >BrP
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> I never liked it, just never commented.
>
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> alec

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> I never liked it, just never commented.

But it was ok that other people also said "we"?  No, I guess not.  You
just haven't gotten around to commenting.  You don't really need to
since your not liking things can be assumed as the default.

--
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>-----Original Message-----
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>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
>> I never liked it, just never commented.
>
>But it was ok that other people also said "we"?  No, I guess not.  You
>just haven't gotten around to commenting.  You don't really need to
>since your not liking things can be assumed as the default.
>
I like many things that are part of words-l. When you act silly or mutant, I
usually ignore it. When it involves me directly, I might comment.


alec

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clo writes,

>As for a catchy name, I need help from the males in the group - do you
>have a name for that thing that happens when you jump in the river on New
>Year's Day?

As for a catchy name, you should probably ask the females, instead -- I
think guys try not to think about it.

But there was an episode of "Seinfeld" that used "shrinkage" as the name of
the phenomenon, and the usage has entered the vernacular: Google for
<seinfeld shrinkage> or <shrinkage cold penis> (warning: some adult content).

Pete

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>But there was an episode of "Seinfeld" that used "shrinkage" as the name of
>the phenomenon, and the usage has entered the vernacular

And so, you can imagine e.g., "Shrinky Dick", which resonates with
"shrinkage", "Shrinky Dinks" <http://www.shrinkydinks.com/>, and "shrinking
violet".  It's even close to "shirking" duty or responsibility.

Pete

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> >But there was an episode of "Seinfeld" that used "shrinkage" as the name of
> >the phenomenon, and the usage has entered the vernacular

    "Before we begin, gentlemen, I'd like to remind you that we *are*  in the
arctic."

                                                        - Fox Mulder, "X-Files"

JMW

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> >But there was an episode of "Seinfeld" that used "shrinkage" as the name of
> >the phenomenon, and the usage has entered the vernacular
>
> And so, you can imagine e.g., "Shrinky Dick", which resonates with
> "shrinkage", "Shrinky Dinks" <http://www.shrinkydinks.com/>, and "shrinking
> violet".  It's even close to "shirking" duty or responsibility.
>
> Pete

I like it also because it has resonance back to my favorite Republican,
"Tricky Dick".
"I am not a warmonger. "

clo

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 11:00:35 AM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Peter Kaminski wrote:

>> >But there was an episode of "Seinfeld" that used "shrinkage" as the name of
>> >the phenomenon, and the usage has entered the vernacular
>>
>> And so, you can imagine e.g., "Shrinky Dick", which resonates with
>> "shrinkage", "Shrinky Dinks" <http://www.shrinkydinks.com/>, and "shrinking
>> violet".  It's even close to "shirking" duty or responsibility.
>>
>> Pete

> I like it also because it has resonance back to my favorite Republican,
> "Tricky Dick".
> "I am not a warmonger. "

I'm sitting here wondering if this is how regular size sausages
(like Italian sausage) turns into breakfast sausages.

ET #3

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On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>>>        But I would enjoy Karen's celibacy more than I enjoy Bethany's.
>>>
>>
>> Why????
>>
>
>        Because it would somehow involve phlegm, pilates, and exotic
>cheese.

How can I possibly fight that!

Bethany

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>>Natalie has always spoken as the group.  Where have you been Alec?
>>BrP
>
>I never liked it, just never commented.
>alec

And every once in awhile a man has to speak his mind.   Have you made
reservations yet for Acadiafest, alec?


    --bonniev

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>
>And every once in awhile a man has to speak his mind.   Have you made
>reservations yet for Acadiafest, alec?
>
>
>    --bonniev
>

As of today, no. We have a couple of things going on in life right now,
which makes spending that kind of money not possible. It might change, but
not likely. I will update the list as I get concrete information.


alec

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> I'm sitting here wondering if this is how regular size sausages
> (like Italian sausage) turns into breakfast sausages.

Please.

This thread is too hilarious to continue.

R-Bone has spoken.

--
Richard            where the aliens landed

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02003-03-25 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Bite a carpet? Do I want to know what this means?
>
> You need not try it, but sometimes it is inevitable.
>
> Are you serious about your question? -- roflbtc, or maybe it was: roflbc

Never heard of it ... but, it's a good addition to one's vocabulary

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At 09:06 AM 3/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>Total insanity?  Most of the names that I've heard have been the names of
>the club that fosters such nonsense, e.g., Polar Bear Club, and the one in
>Boston---the (something) Street Brownies, I think.
>
>cwv

L Street. I think they're the oldest club to do this.

lisa

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-25 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > Bite a carpet? Do I want to know what this means?
> >
> > You need not try it, but sometimes it is inevitable.
> >
> > Are you serious about your question? -- roflbtc, or maybe it was: roflbc
>
> Never heard of it ... but, it's a good addition to one's vocabulary

trying to remember when I've seen somebody do this. There's a
great description in Stalky & Co. where King (the hated Latin tutor
and officious housemaster) is being chased off Col. Dabney's land
as a poacher -

"Beetle snatched a crochet-work antimacassar from the shiny
horsehair sofa, stuffed it into his mouth, and rolled out of sight"....

"'It's King! It's King!' gulped Stalky, his head on the horsehair
pillow. M'Turk was eating the rag-carpet before the speckless
hearth, and the sofa heaved to the emotions of Beetle.. Through
the thick glass the figures without showed blue, distorted, and
menacing."

- Rudyard Kipling, Stalky & Co "In Ambush" pp52-53 in my
1929 edition

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Ah, Kipling.  He was a racist, colonialist, sexist, militaristic pig - but he was a
damned fine story teller.

BrP


>
> trying to remember when I've seen somebody do this. There's a
> great description in Stalky & Co. where King (the hated Latin tutor
> and officious housemaster) is being chased off Col. Dabney's land
> as a poacher -
>
> "Beetle snatched a crochet-work antimacassar from the shiny
> horsehair sofa, stuffed it into his mouth, and rolled out of sight"....
>
> "'It's King! It's King!' gulped Stalky, his head on the horsehair
> pillow. M'Turk was eating the rag-carpet before the speckless
> hearth, and the sofa heaved to the emotions of Beetle.. Through
> the thick glass the figures without showed blue, distorted, and
> menacing."
>
> - Rudyard Kipling, Stalky & Co "In Ambush" pp52-53 in my
> 1929 edition

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02003-03-25 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> "Beetle snatched a crochet-work antimacassar from the shiny
> horsehair sofa, stuffed it into his mouth, and rolled out of sight"....
>
> "'It's King! It's King!' gulped Stalky, his head on the horsehair
> pillow. M'Turk was eating the rag-carpet before the speckless
> hearth, and the sofa heaved to the emotions of Beetle.. Through
> the thick glass the figures without showed blue, distorted, and
> menacing."
>
> - Rudyard Kipling, Stalky & Co "In Ambush" pp52-53 in my
> 1929 edition

That local color is hurting my eyes ...

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> But there was an episode of "Seinfeld" that used "shrinkage" as the name of
> the phenomenon, and the usage has entered the vernacular: Google for
> <seinfeld shrinkage> or <shrinkage cold penis> (warning: some adult content).
>
> Pete

I remember when I first learned the term shrinkage. I was in high school and
can remember the guy who explained it to me. High school was over for me before
Seinfeld started.

lisa

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> Ah, Kipling.  He was a racist, colonialist, sexist, militaristic pig - but he was a
> damned fine story teller.

    You've never read him, obviously.

JMW

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John Williams wrote:

> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> > Ah, Kipling.  He was a racist, colonialist, sexist, militaristic pig - but he was a
> > damned fine story teller.
>
>     You've never read him, obviously.
>
> JMW

Please expand -
clo

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> John Williams wrote:
>
> > "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> >
> > > Ah, Kipling.  He was a racist, colonialist, sexist, militaristic pig - but he was a
> > > damned fine story teller.
> >
> >     You've never read him, obviously.
> >
> > JMW
>
> Please expand -
> clo

Me or John?


BrP

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On Friday, March 21, 2003, at 01:57 , Marie Ascher wrote:

>> From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>> > Duh! Alec has a penis...
>>
>> You also know that?
>
> I do. I read it on words-l. Besides, I've met the hairy sunofabitch and I
> promise, that ain't no woman.

Hairy ?

I seem to remember a shiny cranium lacking in hair. What do you know
about the bits we haven't seen ?
>
> Marie
>
Roy

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> > John Williams wrote:
> >
> > > "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ah, Kipling.  He was a racist, colonialist, sexist, militaristic pig - but he was a
> > > > damned fine story teller.
> > >
> > >     You've never read him, obviously.
> > >
> > > JMW

Let me try again -
John, please expand. There are two reasons I can think of for you
making that statement, and - much as it will pain you to hear it - I
would agree with one of them.
clo

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02003-03-25 | Lisa Alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> > But there was an episode of "Seinfeld" that used "shrinkage" as the name
> > of the phenomenon, and the usage has entered the vernacular: Google for
> > <seinfeld shrinkage> or <shrinkage cold penis> (warning: some adult
> > content).
>
> I remember when I first learned the term shrinkage. I was in high school
> and can remember the guy who explained it to me. High school was over for
> me before Seinfeld started.

This isn't a problem for any competent pop sociologist. All you say
is that while the usage existed in scattered form for many decades,
the term really enetered the mainstream due to Seinfeld. They even
teach this in journalism school nowadays, I believe.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-25 | Lisa Alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> > > But there was an episode of "Seinfeld" that used "shrinkage" as the name
> > > of the phenomenon, and the usage has entered the vernacular: Google for
> > > <seinfeld shrinkage> or <shrinkage cold penis> (warning: some adult
> > > content).
> >
> > I remember when I first learned the term shrinkage. I was in high school
> > and can remember the guy who explained it to me. High school was over for
> > me before Seinfeld started.
>
> This isn't a problem for any competent pop sociologist. All you say
> is that while the usage existed in scattered form for many decades,
> the term really enetered the mainstream due to Seinfeld. They even
> teach this in journalism school nowadays, I believe.

Lisa, are you trying to cause problems for incompetent pop sociologists?
I'm shocked! or as my mother would say, "Well, I never!"
clo

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Customers who wear clothes also shop for:

                          Clean Underwear from Amazon's Target Store
                          Ladybug Rain Boots from Amazon's Nordstrom
Store
                          Pet Socks from Amazon's Urban Outfitters Store

                          Helicopter Sleepwear Sets for Baby from
Amazon's Old Navy Store

See, I <told> you Amazon does drugs!
clo

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On Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 10:15, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

> I am a big fan of chamber music.  This was some of the best I have ever heard.  I sat in
> the front row.   mmmmmmmmmm

You should subscribe to the I Furiosi list (at the obvious web site).
There are rumours of a spring concert. You'd like them and their
music.

Tony H.

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> On Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 10:15, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>
> > I am a big fan of chamber music.  This was some of the best I have ever heard.  I sat in
> > the front row.   mmmmmmmmmm
>
> You should subscribe to the I Furiosi list (at the obvious web site).
> There are rumours of a spring concert. You'd like them and their
> music.
>
> Tony H.

Thank you Tony!

BrP

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> On Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 10:15, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>
> > I am a big fan of chamber music.  This was some of the best I have ever heard.  I sat in
> > the front row.   mmmmmmmmmm
>
> You should subscribe to the I Furiosi list (at the obvious web site).
> There are rumours of a spring concert. You'd like them and their
> music.
>
> Tony H.

Had I seen their picture and been asked "What kind of music would you guess this
group performs?"  I would likely not have replied "Baroque."


They look very interesting.

BrP

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02003-03-25 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Lisa, are you trying to cause problems for incompetent pop sociologists?
> I'm shocked! or as my mother would say, "Well, I never!"

A phrase which, as you recall, entered the mainstream due to
"The Jeffersons".

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-25 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > Lisa, are you trying to cause problems for incompetent pop sociologists?
> > I'm shocked! or as my mother would say, "Well, I never!"
>
> A phrase which, as you recall, entered the mainstream due to
> "The Jeffersons".

So much for trying to pass for "mainstream".
clo

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Doug sent this to me. He feels the same way as the author,
Tina Blue, who is a lecturer in English at the University of Kansas.
She also publishes the Teacher, Teacher web page.

Over the past few years, I have found that more and more
students in my freshman-sophomore English classes at the
University of Kansas are completely unable to keep up with
their college reading assignments.

I quit teaching "Introduction to Fiction" five years ago
because the students could not handle the course readings,
even though I had reduced the reading list by about 30
percent.  I switched to teaching "Introduction to Poetry."
At least in that class I can read each poem aloud to them
before we begin to discuss it.  Obviously I can't read a
500-page novel out loud at the beginning of every class
period.

In my English 101 class I now spend a fair amount of time
teaching my students how to read their textbooks.  One
semester a young man, almost in tears, held up his thick
geology textbook and said, "My professor doesn't even
lecture on what's in the book.  He lectures on other stuff
and expects us to read the book on our own.  But I don't
even know HOW to read this book!"

A lot of them tell me they never read their textbooks in
high school or middle school, because they didn't have to.
They could usually get A's or B's without doing the
readings.  Their teachers went over the textbook material
in lectures, passed out lecture notes and study guides for
tests, and gave easy extra-credit assignments to help them
raise their grades if they still did badly on exams.

Now all of a sudden they are in college, and their
professors expect them to read books outside of class.  And
far too many of our students can't do that.

It would be easy to blame the students for being lazy, for
partying when they should be studying, but a lot of the
students I work with are not lazy.  They're motivated and
diligent -- but they just don't read well enough to handle
the amount and difficulty of reading assignments in
college.  They often read and reread the same page in a
textbook, without understanding or remembering what they
have read.  Eventually, they give up in despair.  Much of
what looks like laziness in our students really is just
despair -- the conviction that no matter how hard they try,
they're not going to be able to read or understand their
texts.

Three years ago, in the textbook used for a one-credit
freshman orientation class, I read something that startled
me, but only momentarily: the average focused reading span
for a college freshman is five minutes.

After my initial surprise, I realized that my experience
validated that estimate.  Since then, I have polled my
students -- upperclassmen as well as freshmen -- every
semester, and every semester most of my students
acknowledge that they cannot focus on their reading
assignments for more than five minutes at a time.  They
also tell me they can only read one or two pages during
that five-minute period.

Let's say you're expected to read a total of 100 pages a
week (not a particularly heavy college reading load).  If
you can only focus on your reading for five minutes at a
time, and you can read only one to two pages during each
five-minute session, there is almost no way to keep up with
your reading assignments.   Few undergraduates are wise
enough and self-disciplined enough to schedule 50 to 100
little reading sessions before an assignment is due.  There
will also be some problem with comprehension, since
breaking a stretch of text up into one- or two-page bits is
not the best way to understand what you're reading,
especially if the subject is at all difficult.

And I assure you, those five-minute reading sessions are
not going to come all that close together.  Most students
will be lucky to get three of them in per hour.  Some
students may manage four. But even diligent undergraduates
are probably going to set aside only about two or three
hours to complete a reading assignment the night before it
is due.  Let's see, four little "reads," at -- let's be
generous -- two pages per read.  That's eight pages an
hour.  Eight pages per hour, three hours -- 24 pages of
text.  Best case scenario.

But now let's be honest.  Most students are not going to
get that much done.  They are more likely to manage maybe
three sessions per hour, and to set aside only two hours to
get their reading assignments from one class done for the
next day.   And most are lucky to get even one page, not
two, properly read in each five-minute session.  So instead
of 24 pages, such a student will read about six or ten.
Each time he tries to do his homework he will fall even
further behind, until finally he surrenders to hopelessness
and starts looking for ways to weasel a higher grade than
he deserves out of the class, without doing the readings.
Considering all the pressures that lead instructors to
succumb to grade inflation, chances are he will find one.

Even many students who read a lot for pleasure are not
learning how to read the sort of text they must read in
most of their college courses.  A geology or ethics
textbook, or even a complex, sophisticated work of fiction,
will make far more demands on the student reader than a
news magazine or a book by John Grisham.

Unfortunately, too many of our students have not acquired
the reading skills they need to cope with such demands.
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> >That local color is hurting my eyes ...

This seems to be a trend with me.
My house, my quotes,
oh, where will it end?
clo

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:07:48 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Three years ago, in the textbook used for a one-credit
> freshman orientation class, I read something that startled
> me, but only momentarily: the average focused reading span
> for a college freshman is five minutes.

This does not surprise me, either. My own 'focused reading span'
has dropped disastrously in the past few years. This is one reason
why I've joined book clubs. But I don't always read the books for
those--I sometime feel like I'm in the same position as the
college students, that I've committed to more reading than I can
manage.

ET #3

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> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > >That local color is hurting my eyes ...
>
> This seems to be a trend with me.
> My house, my quotes,
> oh, where will it end?
> clo

at the pot of gold?


BrP

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On Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 14:59, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

> > You should subscribe to the I Furiosi list (at the obvious web site).
> > There are rumours of a spring concert. You'd like them and their
> > music.

> Had I seen their picture and been asked "What kind of music would you guess this
> group performs?"  I would likely not have replied "Baroque."

:-)

There are more current pictures at
http://www.mayumiseiler.com/photos/photos5.html#furiosi1
Their list of sponsors may also tell you something about the audience
if not the players.

> They look very interesting.

They are very good musicians. They have one informal CD(-R) out,
which I managed to get a copy of. Their concerts are infrequent. :-(

Tony H.

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At 01:10 PM 3/23/2003 -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >>  Or do you seriously mean that I was an invalid from May of last
> >> year until I had knee surgery in October - because I walked with
> >> difficulty and in pain (in Knoxville, Atlanta, Vancouver, etc.)?
> >
> >Yes.
>
>We need to send Natalie a new dictionary. Or maybe teach her to use URLs.
>All this time I did not know that I was "[a]n infirm or sickly person."

You didn't?

B

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > >That local color is hurting my eyes ...
> >
> > This seems to be a trend with me.
> > My house, my quotes,
> > oh, where will it end?
> > clo
>
> at the pot of gold?
>
> BrP

Is that a bar in Chicago? Cause if so, Tushar will have to introduce
me to the bartender.
clo

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02003-03-25 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-25 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > Lisa, are you trying to cause problems for incompetent pop sociologists?
> > > I'm shocked! or as my mother would say, "Well, I never!"
> >
> > A phrase which, as you recall, entered the mainstream due to
> > "The Jeffersons".
>
> So much for trying to pass for "mainstream".

"Mainstream" is a bogus notion invented by Elvis.

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More from Doug:

DEAD HORSES

        The tribal wisdom of the Dakota Indians, passed on from
generation to generation, says that when you discover that you are
riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount.  Modern
organizations (education, government, military, etc.) often employ a
whole range of far more advanced strategies, such as:

1. Buying a stronger whip.

2. Changing riders.

3. Threatening the horse with termination.

4. Appointing a committee to study the horse.

5. Arranging to visit other countries to see how others ride dead
horses.

6. Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included.

7. Re-classifying the dead horse as "living impaired."

8. Hiring outside contractors to ride the dead horse.

9. Harnessing several dead horses together to increase the speed.

10. Providing additional funding and/or training to increase the dead
horse's performance.

11. Doing a productivity study to see if lighter riders would improve
the dead horse's performance.

12. Declaring that as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less
costly, carries lower overhead, and therefore contributes substantially
more to the bottom line of the economy than do some other horses.

13. Re-writing the expected performance requirements for all horses.

14. Promoting the dead horse to a supervisory position.

alyce

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02003-03-25 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Doug sent this to me. He feels the same way as the author,
> Tina Blue, who is a lecturer in English at the University
> of Kansas. She also publishes the Teacher, Teacher web page.

She may have made some interesting points. Does she have
an executive summary someplace?

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Oh, YAWN.  It's always the fucking high school teacher's
fault.  My students read 20 - 30 pages a night, and most of
them are language impaired and/or learning disabled.

Stop kidding yourself.  It is absolutely because they are
too lazy.  It was a flat-out miracle how many of my students
found time to read when I started pop quizzing them on the
assignments.

alyce cresap wrote:

> Doug sent this to me. He feels the same way as the author,
> Tina Blue, who is a lecturer in English at the University of Kansas.
> She also publishes the Teacher, Teacher web page.
>
> Over the past few years, I have found that more and more
> students in my freshman-sophomore English classes at the
> University of Kansas are completely unable to keep up with
> their college reading assignments.
>
> I quit teaching "Introduction to Fiction" five years ago
> because the students could not handle the course readings,
> even though I had reduced the reading list by about 30
> percent.  I switched to teaching "Introduction to Poetry."
> At least in that class I can read each poem aloud to them
> before we begin to discuss it.  Obviously I can't read a
> 500-page novel out loud at the beginning of every class
> period.
>
> In my English 101 class I now spend a fair amount of time
> teaching my students how to read their textbooks.  One
> semester a young man, almost in tears, held up his thick
> geology textbook and said, "My professor doesn't even
> lecture on what's in the book.  He lectures on other stuff
> and expects us to read the book on our own.  But I don't
> even know HOW to read this book!"
>
> A lot of them tell me they never read their textbooks in
> high school or middle school, because they didn't have to.
> They could usually get A's or B's without doing the
> readings.  Their teachers went over the textbook material
> in lectures, passed out lecture notes and study guides for
> tests, and gave easy extra-credit assignments to help them
> raise their grades if they still did badly on exams.
>
> Now all of a sudden they are in college, and their
> professors expect them to read books outside of class.  And
> far too many of our students can't do that.
>
> It would be easy to blame the students for being lazy, for
> partying when they should be studying, but a lot of the
> students I work with are not lazy.  They're motivated and
> diligent -- but they just don't read well enough to handle
> the amount and difficulty of reading assignments in
> college.  They often read and reread the same page in a
> textbook, without understanding or remembering what they
> have read.  Eventually, they give up in despair.  Much of
> what looks like laziness in our students really is just
> despair -- the conviction that no matter how hard they try,
> they're not going to be able to read or understand their
> texts.
>
> Three years ago, in the textbook used for a one-credit
> freshman orientation class, I read something that startled
> me, but only momentarily: the average focused reading span
> for a college freshman is five minutes.
>
> After my initial surprise, I realized that my experience
> validated that estimate.  Since then, I have polled my
> students -- upperclassmen as well as freshmen -- every
> semester, and every semester most of my students
> acknowledge that they cannot focus on their reading
> assignments for more than five minutes at a time.  They
> also tell me they can only read one or two pages during
> that five-minute period.
>
> Let's say you're expected to read a total of 100 pages a
> week (not a particularly heavy college reading load).  If
> you can only focus on your reading for five minutes at a
> time, and you can read only one to two pages during each
> five-minute session, there is almost no way to keep up with
> your reading assignments.   Few undergraduates are wise
> enough and self-disciplined enough to schedule 50 to 100
> little reading sessions before an assignment is due.  There
> will also be some problem with comprehension, since
> breaking a stretch of text up into one- or two-page bits is
> not the best way to understand what you're reading,
> especially if the subject is at all difficult.
>
> And I assure you, those five-minute reading sessions are
> not going to come all that close together.  Most students
> will be lucky to get three of them in per hour.  Some
> students may manage four. But even diligent undergraduates
> are probably going to set aside only about two or three
> hours to complete a reading assignment the night before it
> is due.  Let's see, four little "reads," at -- let's be
> generous -- two pages per read.  That's eight pages an
> hour.  Eight pages per hour, three hours -- 24 pages of
> text.  Best case scenario.
>
> But now let's be honest.  Most students are not going to
> get that much done.  They are more likely to manage maybe
> three sessions per hour, and to set aside only two hours to
> get their reading assignments from one class done for the
> next day.   And most are lucky to get even one page, not
> two, properly read in each five-minute session.  So instead
> of 24 pages, such a student will read about six or ten.
> Each time he tries to do his homework he will fall even
> further behind, until finally he surrenders to hopelessness
> and starts looking for ways to weasel a higher grade than
> he deserves out of the class, without doing the readings.
> Considering all the pressures that lead instructors to
> succumb to grade inflation, chances are he will find one.
>
> Even many students who read a lot for pleasure are not
> learning how to read the sort of text they must read in
> most of their college courses.  A geology or ethics
> textbook, or even a complex, sophisticated work of fiction,
> will make far more demands on the student reader than a
> news magazine or a book by John Grisham.
>
> Unfortunately, too many of our students have not acquired
> the reading skills they need to cope with such demands.
> ------
>
>

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02003-03-25 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> > > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >
> > > > >That local color is hurting my eyes ...
> > >
> > > This seems to be a trend with me.
> > > My house, my quotes,
> > > oh, where will it end?
> >
> > at the pot of gold?
>
> Is that a bar in Chicago? Cause if so, Tushar will have to introduce
> me to the bartender.

I have already mentioned she paralyzes me.

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ET#2, you've done it again.  You've succeeded in making me laugh outloud with
enough force that my cow orkers (who are used to hearing me laugh) are wondering
"wassup"

ET#1



> More from Doug:
>
> DEAD HORSES
>
>         The tribal wisdom of the Dakota Indians, passed on from
> generation to generation, says that when you discover that you are
> riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount.  Modern
> organizations (education, government, military, etc.) often employ a
> whole range of far more advanced strategies, such as:
>
> 1. Buying a stronger whip.
>
> 2. Changing riders.
>
> 3. Threatening the horse with termination.
>
> 4. Appointing a committee to study the horse.
>
> 5. Arranging to visit other countries to see how others ride dead
> horses.
>
> 6. Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included.
>
> 7. Re-classifying the dead horse as "living impaired."
>
> 8. Hiring outside contractors to ride the dead horse.
>
> 9. Harnessing several dead horses together to increase the speed.
>
> 10. Providing additional funding and/or training to increase the dead
> horse's performance.
>
> 11. Doing a productivity study to see if lighter riders would improve
> the dead horse's performance.
>
> 12. Declaring that as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less
> costly, carries lower overhead, and therefore contributes substantially
> more to the bottom line of the economy than do some other horses.
>
> 13. Re-writing the expected performance requirements for all horses.
>
> 14. Promoting the dead horse to a supervisory position.
>
> alyce

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I think this particular piece has particular poignancy for academics.

ET #3

Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:41:12 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> More from Doug:

> DEAD HORSES

>         The tribal wisdom of the Dakota Indians, passed on from
> generation to generation, says that when you discover that you are
> riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount.  Modern
> organizations (education, government, military, etc.) often employ a
> whole range of far more advanced strategies, such as:

> 1. Buying a stronger whip.

> 2. Changing riders.

> 3. Threatening the horse with termination.

> 4. Appointing a committee to study the horse.

> 5. Arranging to visit other countries to see how others ride dead
> horses.

> 6. Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included.

> 7. Re-classifying the dead horse as "living impaired."

> 8. Hiring outside contractors to ride the dead horse.

> 9. Harnessing several dead horses together to increase the speed.

> 10. Providing additional funding and/or training to increase the dead
> horse's performance.

> 11. Doing a productivity study to see if lighter riders would improve
> the dead horse's performance.

> 12. Declaring that as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less
> costly, carries lower overhead, and therefore contributes substantially
> more to the bottom line of the economy than do some other horses.

> 13. Re-writing the expected performance requirements for all horses.

> 14. Promoting the dead horse to a supervisory position.

> alyce

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02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Oh, YAWN.  It's always the fucking high school teacher's
> fault.  My students read 20 - 30 pages a night, and most of
> them are language impaired and/or learning disabled.
>
> Stop kidding yourself.  It is absolutely because they are
> too lazy.  It was a flat-out miracle how many of my students
> found time to read when I started pop quizzing them on the
> assignments.

Well, I did not face this problem. In my college I could get
by with handouts and things.

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> >
> > Stop kidding yourself.  It is absolutely because they are
> > too lazy.  It was a flat-out miracle how many of my students
> > found time to read when I started pop quizzing them on the
> > assignments.
>
> Well, I did not face this problem. In my college I could get
> by with handouts and things.

When I worked in reference we were often asked for directions to the Cliff Notes
section.

BrP

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:56:54 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> I'm sitting here wondering if this is how regular size sausages
>> (like Italian sausage) turns into breakfast sausages.

> Despite the very pointed dead horse posting, I feel compelled to
> point out that at least one brand boasts of being "freeze-dried".

Freeze-dried sausages????

This is interesting...

ET #3

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> > Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:57:27 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> >
> > >> > > > So much for trying to pass for "mainstream".
> > >> > >
> > >> > > "Mainstream" is a bogus notion invented by Elvis.
> > >> >
> > >> > And here I thought it was something you thought up all by yourself!
> > >> > clo
> > >>
> > >> no clo, you're thinking of hairballs
> > >>
> > >> BrP
> >
> > > oops - I read "thought" as "brought"
>
> Odd - that's what I originally typed.
> spooky-
> clo

:-)

Karen, alyce, I think the tribe is growing

BrP

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> A group of adults, none of whom would admit to having done acid?
> sheesh. Austin is not what it used to be.
> clo

or not as boring as Williamsport

<wink, wink>

BrP

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:14:11 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:08:00 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>>
>> > Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> >> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:03:31 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> >> > Karen Kay wrote:
>> >> >> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:58:59 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> >> >> >> One of my book clubs uses study questions from the web. I don't
>> >> >> >> know where they find them. There were none for "The Electric
>> >> >> >> Kool-Aid Acid Test".
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I could stop in and  make some comments.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> About your acid trips? No one in the group had done acid; one
>> >> >> woman talked about smoking dope with her family (parents and
>> >> >> brother and cousin) and another talked about her husband, who
>> >> >> worked for the UN, carrying marijuana cigarettes all over the
>> >> >> world because he forgot they were in his briefcase.
>> >>
>> >> > *doubletake*
>> >> > are you serious?
>> >> > A group of adults, none of whom would admit to having done acid?
>> >> > sheesh. Austin is not what it used to be.
>> >>
>> >> It's not a matter of not admitting it, it's a matter that none of
>> >> them had done it. If you have a problem with this, then I submit
>> >> that it is indeed your problem, not Austin's.
>>
>> > I refer to my earlier Alice flashback.
>>
>> Maybe you shouldn't have done quite so many drugs?

> Oddly enough, my initial offer was not based on drug-taking.
> You just assumed it was.
> clo

Uh-huh.

ET #3

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-25 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > 02003-03-25 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > > Lisa, are you trying to cause problems for incompetent pop sociologists?
> > > > I'm shocked! or as my mother would say, "Well, I never!"
> > >
> > > A phrase which, as you recall, entered the mainstream due to
> > > "The Jeffersons".
> >
> > So much for trying to pass for "mainstream".
>
> "Mainstream" is a bogus notion invented by Elvis.

And here I thought it was something you thought up all by yourself!
clo

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CBS News Says:

About 500 Iraqi fighters have been killed in the last two days by the 3rd
Infantry Division...  Britain suffered its second combat death. That brought
the confirmed death toll to 36 ” 18 U.S. and 18 British.

  BrP

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> > > So much for trying to pass for "mainstream".
> >
> > "Mainstream" is a bogus notion invented by Elvis.
>
> And here I thought it was something you thought up all by yourself!
> clo

no clo, you're thinking of hairballs

BrP

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:50:43 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>
>>When I worked in reference we were often asked for directions to the Cliff Notes
>>section.
>>
>
> Nowadays, they'd probably ask about the Dummies series. "Anna
> Karenina for Dummies" et al.
>


HA!  Shows what you know.  They just use Spark Notes or
Monkey Notes on the web.  As a matter of fact, I've assigned
a review of the various summary sites as a class exercise
for my sophomores.  Of course they're going to use them.  I
use them.  I want them to use the summaries intelligently.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 11:00:35 AM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> >> >But there was an episode of "Seinfeld" that used "shrinkage" as the name of
> >> >the phenomenon, and the usage has entered the vernacular
> >>
> >> And so, you can imagine e.g., "Shrinky Dick", which resonates with
> >> "shrinkage", "Shrinky Dinks" <http://www.shrinkydinks.com/>, and "shrinking
> >> violet".  It's even close to "shirking" duty or responsibility.
> >>
> >> Pete
>
> > I like it also because it has resonance back to my favorite Republican,
> > "Tricky Dick".
> > "I am not a warmonger. "
>
> I'm sitting here wondering if this is how regular size sausages
> (like Italian sausage) turns into breakfast sausages.

Despite the very pointed dead horse posting, I feel compelled to
point out that at least one brand boasts of being "freeze-dried".
clo

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:56:24 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> HA!  Shows what you know.  They just use Spark Notes or
> Monkey Notes on the web.  As a matter of fact, I've assigned
> a review of the various summary sites as a class exercise
> for my sophomores.  Of course they're going to use them.  I
> use them.  I want them to use the summaries intelligently.

One of my book clubs uses study questions from the web. I don't
know where they find them. There were none for "The Electric
Kool-Aid Acid Test".

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> > > > So much for trying to pass for "mainstream".
> > >
> > > "Mainstream" is a bogus notion invented by Elvis.
> >
> > And here I thought it was something you thought up all by yourself!
> > clo
>
> no clo, you're thinking of hairballs
>
> BrP

oops - I read "thought" as "brought"

BrP

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:56:24 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> > HA!  Shows what you know.  They just use Spark Notes or
> > Monkey Notes on the web.  As a matter of fact, I've assigned
> > a review of the various summary sites as a class exercise
> > for my sophomores.  Of course they're going to use them.  I
> > use them.  I want them to use the summaries intelligently.
>
> One of my book clubs uses study questions from the web. I don't
> know where they find them. There were none for "The Electric
> Kool-Aid Acid Test".

I could stop in and  make some comments.
clo

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:57:27 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>> > > > So much for trying to pass for "mainstream".
>> > >
>> > > "Mainstream" is a bogus notion invented by Elvis.
>> >
>> > And here I thought it was something you thought up all by yourself!
>> > clo
>>
>> no clo, you're thinking of hairballs
>>
>> BrP

> oops - I read "thought" as "brought"

LOL.

ET #3

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:58:59 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> One of my book clubs uses study questions from the web. I don't
>> know where they find them. There were none for "The Electric
>> Kool-Aid Acid Test".

> I could stop in and  make some comments.

About your acid trips? No one in the group had done acid; one
woman talked about smoking dope with her family (parents and
brother and cousin) and another talked about her husband, who
worked for the UN, carrying marijuana cigarettes all over the
world because he forgot they were in his briefcase.

ET #3

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> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:57:27 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>
> >> > > > So much for trying to pass for "mainstream".
> >> > >
> >> > > "Mainstream" is a bogus notion invented by Elvis.
> >> >
> >> > And here I thought it was something you thought up all by yourself!
> >> > clo
> >>
> >> no clo, you're thinking of hairballs
> >>
> >> BrP
>
> > oops - I read "thought" as "brought"

Odd - that's what I originally typed.
spooky-
clo

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:58:59 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >> One of my book clubs uses study questions from the web. I don't
> >> know where they find them. There were none for "The Electric
> >> Kool-Aid Acid Test".
>
> > I could stop in and  make some comments.
>
> About your acid trips? No one in the group had done acid; one
> woman talked about smoking dope with her family (parents and
> brother and cousin) and another talked about her husband, who
> worked for the UN, carrying marijuana cigarettes all over the
> world because he forgot they were in his briefcase.

Lightweights.

clo

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:58:59 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >> One of my book clubs uses study questions from the web. I don't
> >> know where they find them. There were none for "The Electric
> >> Kool-Aid Acid Test".
>
> > I could stop in and  make some comments.
>
> About your acid trips? No one in the group had done acid; one
> woman talked about smoking dope with her family (parents and
> brother and cousin) and another talked about her husband, who
> worked for the UN, carrying marijuana cigarettes all over the
> world because he forgot they were in his briefcase.

*doubletake*
are you serious?
A group of adults, none of whom would admit to having done acid?
sheesh. Austin is not what it used to be.
clo

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:02:02 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:58:59 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> >> One of my book clubs uses study questions from the web. I don't
>> >> know where they find them. There were none for "The Electric
>> >> Kool-Aid Acid Test".
>>
>> > I could stop in and  make some comments.
>>
>> About your acid trips? No one in the group had done acid; one
>> woman talked about smoking dope with her family (parents and
>> brother and cousin) and another talked about her husband, who
>> worked for the UN, carrying marijuana cigarettes all over the
>> world because he forgot they were in his briefcase.

> Lightweights.

So?

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At 07:22 PM 3/23/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > The evil twins have been taken off the the "Best of 2003"
> > page to ward off contamination, and the evil TRIPLETS have
> > been given their own quarantined page! Check it out *right*
> > *now* at <http://words-l.org/bestof03-2.html>!
>
>Tushar, you are so cool and clever.
>
>Triplet #2



And you're the cutest, Alyce!  The other two are cute, too.

Betty

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:03:31 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:58:59 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> >> One of my book clubs uses study questions from the web. I don't
>> >> know where they find them. There were none for "The Electric
>> >> Kool-Aid Acid Test".
>>
>> > I could stop in and  make some comments.
>>
>> About your acid trips? No one in the group had done acid; one
>> woman talked about smoking dope with her family (parents and
>> brother and cousin) and another talked about her husband, who
>> worked for the UN, carrying marijuana cigarettes all over the
>> world because he forgot they were in his briefcase.

> *doubletake*
> are you serious?
> A group of adults, none of whom would admit to having done acid?
> sheesh. Austin is not what it used to be.

It's not a matter of not admitting it, it's a matter that none of
them had done it. If you have a problem with this, then I submit
that it is indeed your problem, not Austin's.

ET #3

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>
>
> And you're the cutest, Alyce!

> Betty


You'll get no argument here.

BrP

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:10:37 PM, Betty wrote:

> At 07:22 PM 3/23/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>> >
>> > The evil twins have been taken off the the "Best of 2003"
>> > page to ward off contamination, and the evil TRIPLETS have
>> > been given their own quarantined page! Check it out *right*
>> > *now* at <http://words-l.org/bestof03-2.html>!
>>
>>Tushar, you are so cool and clever.
>>
>>Triplet #2



> And you're the cutest, Alyce!  The other two are cute, too.

Oh, I cheerfully admit that she's cuter 'n me or #1.

ET #3

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:03:31 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:58:59 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >> >> One of my book clubs uses study questions from the web. I don't
> >> >> know where they find them. There were none for "The Electric
> >> >> Kool-Aid Acid Test".
> >>
> >> > I could stop in and  make some comments.
> >>
> >> About your acid trips? No one in the group had done acid; one
> >> woman talked about smoking dope with her family (parents and
> >> brother and cousin) and another talked about her husband, who
> >> worked for the UN, carrying marijuana cigarettes all over the
> >> world because he forgot they were in his briefcase.
>
> > *doubletake*
> > are you serious?
> > A group of adults, none of whom would admit to having done acid?
> > sheesh. Austin is not what it used to be.
>
> It's not a matter of not admitting it, it's a matter that none of
> them had done it. If you have a problem with this, then I submit
> that it is indeed your problem, not Austin's.

I refer to my earlier Alice flashback.
clo

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:08:00 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:03:31 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> > Karen Kay wrote:
>> >> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:58:59 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> >> >> One of my book clubs uses study questions from the web. I don't
>> >> >> know where they find them. There were none for "The Electric
>> >> >> Kool-Aid Acid Test".
>> >>
>> >> > I could stop in and  make some comments.
>> >>
>> >> About your acid trips? No one in the group had done acid; one
>> >> woman talked about smoking dope with her family (parents and
>> >> brother and cousin) and another talked about her husband, who
>> >> worked for the UN, carrying marijuana cigarettes all over the
>> >> world because he forgot they were in his briefcase.
>>
>> > *doubletake*
>> > are you serious?
>> > A group of adults, none of whom would admit to having done acid?
>> > sheesh. Austin is not what it used to be.
>>
>> It's not a matter of not admitting it, it's a matter that none of
>> them had done it. If you have a problem with this, then I submit
>> that it is indeed your problem, not Austin's.

> I refer to my earlier Alice flashback.

Maybe you shouldn't have done quite so many drugs?

ET #3

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> > And you're the cutest, Alyce!
>
> > Betty
>

>Oh, I cheerfully admit that she's cuter 'n me or #1.
>ET #3
>
> You'll get no argument here.
>
> BrP


This was not planned

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
>>Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:58:59 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>>
>>>>One of my book clubs uses study questions from the web. I don't
>>>>know where they find them. There were none for "The Electric
>>>>Kool-Aid Acid Test".
>>>>
>>>I could stop in and  make some comments.
>>>
>>About your acid trips? No one in the group had done acid; one
>>woman talked about smoking dope with her family (parents and
>>brother and cousin) and another talked about her husband, who
>>worked for the UN, carrying marijuana cigarettes all over the
>>world because he forgot they were in his briefcase.
>>
>
> *doubletake*
> are you serious?
> A group of adults, none of whom would admit to having done acid?
> sheesh. Austin is not what it used to be.


        I have never done acid.  I have taken any illegal drug, as a
matter of fact.  I've never smoked a cigarette, either.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:03:31 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:58:59 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >> >> One of my book clubs uses study questions from the web. I don't
> >> >> know where they find them. There were none for "The Electric
> >> >> Kool-Aid Acid Test".
> >>
> >> > I could stop in and  make some comments.
> >>
> >> About your acid trips? No one in the group had done acid; one
> >> woman talked about smoking dope with her family (parents and
> >> brother and cousin) and another talked about her husband, who
> >> worked for the UN, carrying marijuana cigarettes all over the
> >> world because he forgot they were in his briefcase.
>
> > *doubletake*
> > are you serious?
> > A group of adults, none of whom would admit to having done acid?
> > sheesh. Austin is not what it used to be.
>
> It's not a matter of not admitting it, it's a matter that none of
> them had done it. If you have a problem with this, then I submit
> that it is indeed your problem, not Austin's.

More seriously, it is kind of <interesting> (Tushar, that's your cue
to take a nap) that people tend to assume that the whole world is
like their particular corner of it. Back <when>, we figured every-
body was living life like we were, except of course, some of the
stodgier parents. Come to find out, of course - the market for
pharmaceuticals was not as robust as we thought it was.

clo

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:10:03 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:58:59 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>>>
>>>>>One of my book clubs uses study questions from the web. I don't
>>>>>know where they find them. There were none for "The Electric
>>>>>Kool-Aid Acid Test".
>>>>>
>>>>I could stop in and  make some comments.
>>>>
>>>About your acid trips? No one in the group had done acid; one
>>>woman talked about smoking dope with her family (parents and
>>>brother and cousin) and another talked about her husband, who
>>>worked for the UN, carrying marijuana cigarettes all over the
>>>world because he forgot they were in his briefcase.
>>>
>>
>> *doubletake*
>> are you serious?
>> A group of adults, none of whom would admit to having done acid?
>> sheesh. Austin is not what it used to be.


>         I have never done acid.  I have taken any illegal drug, as a
> matter of fact.  I've never smoked a cigarette, either.

It's not a contest! I resent Carolyn trying to turn it into one.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:08:00 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:03:31 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >> >> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:58:59 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >> >> >> One of my book clubs uses study questions from the web. I don't
> >> >> >> know where they find them. There were none for "The Electric
> >> >> >> Kool-Aid Acid Test".
> >> >>
> >> >> > I could stop in and  make some comments.
> >> >>
> >> >> About your acid trips? No one in the group had done acid; one
> >> >> woman talked about smoking dope with her family (parents and
> >> >> brother and cousin) and another talked about her husband, who
> >> >> worked for the UN, carrying marijuana cigarettes all over the
> >> >> world because he forgot they were in his briefcase.
> >>
> >> > *doubletake*
> >> > are you serious?
> >> > A group of adults, none of whom would admit to having done acid?
> >> > sheesh. Austin is not what it used to be.
> >>
> >> It's not a matter of not admitting it, it's a matter that none of
> >> them had done it. If you have a problem with this, then I submit
> >> that it is indeed your problem, not Austin's.
>
> > I refer to my earlier Alice flashback.
>
> Maybe you shouldn't have done quite so many drugs?

Oddly enough, my initial offer was not based on drug-taking.
You just assumed it was.
clo

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:06:31 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> At 02:47 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>I think this particular piece has particular poignancy for academics.

> Never worked in a bureaucracy, eh?

Universities are bureaucracies, aren't they?

ET #3

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At 02:47 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>I think this particular piece has particular poignancy for academics.

Never worked in a bureaucracy, eh?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:10:03 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> > Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> >> Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:58:59 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>One of my book clubs uses study questions from the web. I don't
> >>>>>know where they find them. There were none for "The Electric
> >>>>>Kool-Aid Acid Test".
> >>>>>
> >>>>I could stop in and  make some comments.
> >>>>
> >>>About your acid trips? No one in the group had done acid; one
> >>>woman talked about smoking dope with her family (parents and
> >>>brother and cousin) and another talked about her husband, who
> >>>worked for the UN, carrying marijuana cigarettes all over the
> >>>world because he forgot they were in his briefcase.
> >>>
> >>
> >> *doubletake*
> >> are you serious?
> >> A group of adults, none of whom would admit to having done acid?
> >> sheesh. Austin is not what it used to be.
>
> >         I have never done acid.  I have taken any illegal drug, as a
> > matter of fact.  I've never smoked a cigarette, either.
>
> It's not a contest! I resent Carolyn trying to turn it into one.
>
> Karen

I'm on a bad acrid trip, man!
clo

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:12:45 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> More seriously, it is kind of <interesting> (Tushar, that's your cue
> to take a nap) that people tend to assume that the whole world is
> like their particular corner of it. Back <when>, we figured every-
> body was living life like we were, except of course, some of the
> stodgier parents. Come to find out, of course - the market for
> pharmaceuticals was not as robust as we thought it was.

Well, for one thing, the age of my book group goes from 29 to
80+, and there are only about 10 people in it. About half the
group is over 60.

ET #3

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:14:11 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:08:00 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >>
> >> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:03:31 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >> >> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >> >> >> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:58:59 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >> >> >> >> One of my book clubs uses study questions from the web. I don't
> >> >> >> >> know where they find them. There were none for "The Electric
> >> >> >> >> Kool-Aid Acid Test".
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > I could stop in and  make some comments.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> About your acid trips? No one in the group had done acid; one
> >> >> >> woman talked about smoking dope with her family (parents and
> >> >> >> brother and cousin) and another talked about her husband, who
> >> >> >> worked for the UN, carrying marijuana cigarettes all over the
> >> >> >> world because he forgot they were in his briefcase.
> >> >>
> >> >> > *doubletake*
> >> >> > are you serious?
> >> >> > A group of adults, none of whom would admit to having done acid?
> >> >> > sheesh. Austin is not what it used to be.
> >> >>
> >> >> It's not a matter of not admitting it, it's a matter that none of
> >> >> them had done it. If you have a problem with this, then I submit
> >> >> that it is indeed your problem, not Austin's.
> >>
> >> > I refer to my earlier Alice flashback.
> >>
> >> Maybe you shouldn't have done quite so many drugs?
>
> > Oddly enough, my initial offer was not based on drug-taking.
> > You just assumed it was.
> > clo
>
> Uh-huh.

No, seriously. As it happens, I spent the bicentennial 4th of July
on the Kesey farm, and some of the original Pranksters were there.
I was living in Oregon at the time, and so I have a bit of exposure
to the atmosphere of the book.

clo

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Has anyone had problems opening an html file in Word? It's
truncating a very long table.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:12:45 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > More seriously, it is kind of <interesting> (Tushar, that's your cue
> > to take a nap) that people tend to assume that the whole world is
> > like their particular corner of it. Back <when>, we figured every-
> > body was living life like we were, except of course, some of the
> > stodgier parents. Come to find out, of course - the market for
> > pharmaceuticals was not as robust as we thought it was.
>
> Well, for one thing, the age of my book group goes from 29 to
> 80+, and there are only about 10 people in it. About half the
> group is over 60.

Let's see... I was 19 and most of the people there were 27-40.
That seems about right.
clo

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At 05:20 PM 3/24/2003 -0500, lisa alfieri wrote:
>At 03:37 PM 3/24/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>Monday, March 24, 2003, 3:30:37 PM, bonniev wrote:
>> > Maybe I'm just full of shit.  But I was thinking that you post sort of
>> > protective of Tina whereas Tina, in person, seemed in need of no
>> > protection.  She seemed like an equal, capable partner.  Before you feel
>> > bugged, Lisa, see if anyone here even thinks as I do, that you sound sort
>> > of protective.  Chances are high that I'm full of shit.
>>
>>I agree that Lisa posts protective. I have no idea what Tina's
>>like in person, though.
>>
>>ET #3
>
>The best way for me to describe Tina is to say she's a hot fucking shit. I
>guess this is why I found it interesting when Bonnie said I posted
>protective of her.

Does she mind being described in those terms? I can hardly wait to meet her
at breakfast at the Hearthside.

Betty

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> At 04:06 PM 3/24/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> *snip* >
> >...faded away days ago.  I'd forgotten about it until you
> >brought it back up.

No no, you're thinking of hairballs.
clo

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:56:24 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>HA!  Shows what you know.  They just use Spark Notes or
>>Monkey Notes on the web.  As a matter of fact, I've assigned
>>a review of the various summary sites as a class exercise
>>for my sophomores.  Of course they're going to use them.  I
>>use them.  I want them to use the summaries intelligently.
>>
>
> One of my book clubs uses study questions from the web. I don't
> know where they find them. There were none for "The Electric
> Kool-Aid Acid Test".


        LOL.    One of my freshmen, who maintains a C/D in my class,
read _Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maint._ for his
independent novel.  He came in after school a few times to
ask me some questions, and did quite well with it.  He
commented that he had to stop after each chapter and think
about it for a little while before going on.  I told him I
had to do the same thing.  His mother and I were thrilled.
Another of my students chose _Madame Bovary_ and loved it.
Let's see, what other books did that class choose?  _Grapes
of Wrath_, _Night_ trilogy, _The Sun Also Rises_, etc..
They had two weeks to read.


        There are study questions all over the web. I use them.

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:20:40 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:12:45 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> > More seriously, it is kind of <interesting> (Tushar, that's your cue
>> > to take a nap) that people tend to assume that the whole world is
>> > like their particular corner of it. Back <when>, we figured every-
>> > body was living life like we were, except of course, some of the
>> > stodgier parents. Come to find out, of course - the market for
>> > pharmaceuticals was not as robust as we thought it was.
>>
>> Well, for one thing, the age of my book group goes from 29 to
>> 80+, and there are only about 10 people in it. About half the
>> group is over 60.

> Let's see... I was 19 and most of the people there were 27-40.
> That seems about right.

I'm surprised they were that old, to be honest.

The people at the older end of the spectrum in the book club have
mostly lived their entire lives in Austin, and were busy with
their families during the time that they were 27-40. There are
only a few (3) people in the book club around my age, and they
lived on farms. (Except for me.)

ET #3

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:35:39 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         There are study questions all over the web. I use them.

Some of them are *really* bad, though.

ET #3

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>No, seriously. As it happens, I spent the bicentennial 4th of July
>on the Kesey farm, and some of the original Pranksters were there.
>I was living in Oregon at the time, and so I have a bit of exposure
>to the atmosphere of the book.
>clo

Maybe clo is really Shoshana in disguise.


    --bonniev

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In a message dated 03/24/2003 6:33:17 PM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
I don't know who Susan Sarandon is (though
I've seen the name), but I guessed from the name that she was female.

>>

She's an actress (played Janet in the Rocky Horror Picture Show)
and political activist.

Evelyn Duncan
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gets the cheese.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Roy Jaques <rjaques@ONETEL.NET.UK>
> > I do. I read it on words-l. Besides, I've met the hairy
> sunofabitch and I
> > promise, that ain't no woman.
>
> Hairy ?
>
> I seem to remember a shiny cranium lacking in hair. What do you know
> about the bits we haven't seen ?

Uh, have you noticed his face?

Marie

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In a message dated 03/25/2003 12:42:44 AM Central Standard Time,
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<<
Welcome back, Evelyn :-} I've missed you. {{{hugs}}} Theo



>>

Thanks, Theo!  I've missed you, too!

{{{{{hugs}}}}}

Evelyn Duncan
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On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:19:00 -0500, Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> wrote:

>Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:14:11 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>>
>> > Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> >> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:08:00 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Karen Kay wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:03:31 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> >> >> > Karen Kay wrote:
>> >> >> >> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:58:59 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> One of my book clubs uses study questions from the web. I don't
>> >> >> >> >> know where they find them. There were none for "The Electric
>> >> >> >> >> Kool-Aid Acid Test".
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > I could stop in and  make some comments.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> About your acid trips? No one in the group had done acid; one
>> >> >> >> woman talked about smoking dope with her family (parents and
>> >> >> >> brother and cousin) and another talked about her husband, who
>> >> >> >> worked for the UN, carrying marijuana cigarettes all over the
>> >> >> >> world because he forgot they were in his briefcase.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > *doubletake*
>> >> >> > are you serious?
>> >> >> > A group of adults, none of whom would admit to having done acid?
>> >> >> > sheesh. Austin is not what it used to be.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's not a matter of not admitting it, it's a matter that none of
>> >> >> them had done it. If you have a problem with this, then I submit
>> >> >> that it is indeed your problem, not Austin's.
>> >>
>> >> > I refer to my earlier Alice flashback.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe you shouldn't have done quite so many drugs?
>>
>> > Oddly enough, my initial offer was not based on drug-taking.
>> > You just assumed it was.
>> > clo
>>
>> Uh-huh.
>
>No, seriously. As it happens, I spent the bicentennial 4th of July
>on the Kesey farm, and some of the original Pranksters were there.
>I was living in Oregon at the time, and so I have a bit of exposure
>to the atmosphere of the book.

How clever of you!

ET #3

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bonniev wrote:

> >No, seriously. As it happens, I spent the bicentennial 4th of July
> >on the Kesey farm, and some of the original Pranksters were there.
> >I was living in Oregon at the time, and so I have a bit of exposure
> >to the atmosphere of the book.
> >clo
>
> Maybe clo is really Shoshana in disguise.
>
>     --bonniev

who is Shoshana? Oh wild. I know someone by that name.
clo

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >>
> >> Uh-huh.
> >
> >No, seriously. As it happens, I spent the bicentennial 4th of July
> >on the Kesey farm, and some of the original Pranksters were there.
> >I was living in Oregon at the time, and so I have a bit of exposure
> >to the atmosphere of the book.
>
> How clever of you!

?
clo

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> > I have never done acid.  I have taken any illegal drug, as a
> > matter of fact.  I've never smoked a cigarette, either.
>
> I just want to say that while I am maintaining a rough archive
> of the list, I will not make it public without a travesty of
> an open discussion.

?
Many words, but semantic coherence seems absent.
Now my brains have mushed!
clo

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 4:30:53 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Who cares? I am cool and clever.

Yes, you are.

Karen

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:50:43 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> When I worked in reference we were often asked for directions to the Cliff Notes
> section.

Nowadays, they'd probably ask about the Dummies series. "Anna
Karenina for Dummies" et al.

ET #3

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> > Maybe clo is really Shoshana in disguise.
> >     --bonniev
>
>who is Shoshana? Oh wild. I know someone by that name.
>clo

Tell us all about the person you know by that name.


    --bonniev

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At 05:10 PM 3/25/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>No, seriously. As it happens, I spent the bicentennial 4th of July
>>on the Kesey farm, and some of the original Pranksters were there.
>>I was living in Oregon at the time, and so I have a bit of exposure
>>to the atmosphere of the book.
>>clo
>
>Maybe clo is really Shoshana in disguise.

Is she still alive?

Betty

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bonniev wrote:

> Maybe clo is really Shoshana in disguise.

I'm sitting here trying to remember who I encountered recently named
Shoshana.  I don't think it was ftf.  It was something like a movie,
except that I don't think I've seen any movies recently, or somebody
somehow in the news.  Wait -- it might have been somebody who spoke at
our last peace rally.  That's sounding familiar.

Have any of you heard anything from or about Words-L Shoshana lately?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 04:30 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-03-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 07:22 PM 3/23/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
> > >Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >>
> > >> The evil twins have been taken off the the "Best of 2003"
> > >> page to ward off contamination, and the evil TRIPLETS have
> > >> been given their own quarantined page! Check it out *right*
> > >> *now* at <http://words-l.org/bestof03-2.html>!
> > >
> > >Tushar, you are so cool and clever.
> > >
> > >Triplet #2
> >
> > And you're the cutest, Alyce!  The other two are cute, too.
>
>Who cares? I am cool and clever.

You're not cute??

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> Pete, what do you think of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance?

I've always hated that my ex-husband left that book in a motel room
somewhere.  It's the kind of book I would have liked to keep.  Like I
wish I hadn't thrown away my Europe on $5 a Day.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >No, seriously. As it happens, I spent the bicentennial 4th of July
> >on the Kesey farm, and some of the original Pranksters were there.
> >I was living in Oregon at the time, and so I have a bit of exposure
> >to the atmosphere of the book.
>
> How clever of you!

Clever?  Sounds interesting, but why was it clever?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:35:39 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        There are study questions all over the web. I use them.
>>
>
> Some of them are *really* bad, though.
>

        Yep.  I agree!  And I've looked at enough to know.


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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > Maybe clo is really Shoshana in disguise.
> >     --bonniev
>
> who is Shoshana? Oh wild. I know someone by that name.

I bet somebody has answered this by now.  Shoshana, aka Brie, was a
Wordsler who told of all kinds of interesting experiences she'd had in
the days of yore.

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Betty wrote:

> >Maybe clo is really Shoshana in disguise.
>
> Is she still alive?

Surely a neighbor would've let us know if she died.

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02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> I have never done acid.  I have taken any illegal drug, as a
> matter of fact.  I've never smoked a cigarette, either.

I just want to say that while I am maintaining a rough archive
of the list, I will not make it public without a travesty of
an open discussion.

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02003-03-25 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> > > I have never done acid.  I have taken any illegal drug, as a
> > > matter of fact.  I've never smoked a cigarette, either.
> >
> > I just want to say that while I am maintaining a rough archive
> > of the list, I will not make it public without a travesty of
> > an open discussion.
>
> ?
> Many words, but semantic coherence seems absent.
> Now my brains have mushed!

Still bragging about your misspent youth, I see. Grow up ...

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Do you die of high pulse rate?  I went to give blood this afternoon,
knowing that I might be turned away for floating instead of sinking
since that often happens, but something new occurred -- my pulse rate
was too high.  What does that mean?  Should I be concerned?
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 4:43:46 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>> > Maybe clo is really Shoshana in disguise.
>> >     --bonniev
>>
>> who is Shoshana? Oh wild. I know someone by that name.

> I bet somebody has answered this by now.  Shoshana, aka Brie, was a
> Wordsler who told of all kinds of interesting experiences she'd had in
> the days of yore.

Bree

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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:57:32 -0600
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Ask your doctor.

My high blood pressure hasn't killed me yet.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Do you die of high pulse rate?  I went to give blood this afternoon,
> knowing that I might be turned away for floating instead of sinking
> since that often happens, but something new occurred -- my pulse rate
> was too high.  What does that mean?  Should I be concerned?
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>

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bonniev wrote:

> You should have taken off the nicotine patch before you went in there.  How
> high was it?

No nicotine patch.  It was 107.  Usually it's in the 70s.  She said my
blood pressure was fine, but out of curiosity I asked her what it was,
and it was way, way higher than it usually is.  Usually the top number
is just barely over 100 -- something like 105 or 110.  Can't remember
what the bottom number usually is.  Something like 60?  Anyway, she said
it was 149 over something.  That's totally amazing.  Am I about to
explode or something?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 4:59:23 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> bonniev wrote:

>> You should have taken off the nicotine patch before you went in there.  How
>> high was it?

> No nicotine patch.  It was 107.  Usually it's in the 70s.  She said my
> blood pressure was fine, but out of curiosity I asked her what it was,
> and it was way, way higher than it usually is.  Usually the top number
> is just barely over 100 -- something like 105 or 110.  Can't remember
> what the bottom number usually is.  Something like 60?  Anyway, she said
> it was 149 over something.  That's totally amazing.  Am I about to
> explode or something?

149 is high enough to be in the high blood pressure range. (But
it takes more than one reading to put you there.)

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>I have never done acid.  I have taken any illegal drug, as a
>>matter of fact.  I've never smoked a cigarette, either.
>>
>
> I just want to say that while I am maintaining a rough archive
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> an open discussion.
>


        Excellent.  Such is the Words-L Way.

        For a clearer understanding, send me $20.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> 149 is high enough to be in the high blood pressure range. (But
> it takes more than one reading to put you there.)

It seems very strange to me to jump suddenly from being considered a
low-bp person -- some people taking it have laughed and said I was
almost dead -- to being high.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 5:04:08 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> 149 is high enough to be in the high blood pressure range. (But
>> it takes more than one reading to put you there.)

> It seems very strange to me to jump suddenly from being considered a
> low-bp person -- some people taking it have laughed and said I was
> almost dead -- to being high.

I did it a few years ago.

ET #3

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
>>149 is high enough to be in the high blood pressure range. (But
>>it takes more than one reading to put you there.)
>>
>
> It seems very strange to me to jump suddenly from being considered a
> low-bp person -- some people taking it have laughed and said I was
> almost dead -- to being high.
> --


        What are the long-term effects of patching and smoking at the
same time?

        Lots of things can cause it to go up temporarily.  You may
want to drop by your doctor's office for a quick bp check.
Or not.

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At 04:57 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 4:43:46 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> >> > Maybe clo is really Shoshana in disguise.
> >> >     --bonniev
> >>
> >> who is Shoshana? Oh wild. I know someone by that name.
>
> > I bet somebody has answered this by now.  Shoshana, aka Brie, was a
> > Wordsler who told of all kinds of interesting experiences she'd had in
> > the days of yore.
>
>Bree

Shoshana Edwards-Jemison.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> bonniev wrote:
>
>
>>You should have taken off the nicotine patch before you went in there.  How
>>high was it?
>>
>
> No nicotine patch.  It was 107.  Usually it's in the 70s.  She said my
> blood pressure was fine, but out of curiosity I asked her what it was,
> and it was way, way higher than it usually is.  Usually the top number
> is just barely over 100 -- something like 105 or 110.  Can't remember
> what the bottom number usually is.  Something like 60?  Anyway, she said
> it was 149 over something.  That's totally amazing.  Am I about to
> explode or something?


        Of course not.  Mine was 133/90 today, and I'm on a
fabulously expensive cocktail of BP drugs.  I hardly feel it
unless I'm up around 170/100 somewhere.  In labor with Ana,
I was 200/200.  I have yet to explode.

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02003-03-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> >> The evil twins have been taken off the the "Best of 2003"
> >> >> page to ward off contamination, and the evil TRIPLETS have
> >> >> been given their own quarantined page! Check it out *right*
> >> >> *now* at <http://words-l.org/bestof03-2.html>!
> >> >
> >> >Tushar, you are so cool and clever.
> >> >
> >> >Triplet #2
> >>
> >> And you're the cutest, Alyce!  The other two are cute, too.
> >
> >Who cares? I am cool and clever.
>
> You're not cute??

We covered all of this in 1991. Move on!

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02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> >>I have never done acid.  I have taken any illegal drug, as a
> >>matter of fact.  I've never smoked a cigarette, either.
> >>
> >
> >I just want to say that while I am maintaining a rough archive
> >of the list, I will not make it public without a travesty of
> >an open discussion.
>
>
>        Excellent.  Such is the Words-L Way.
>
>        For a clearer understanding, send me $20.

How about $5?

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         What are the long-term effects of patching and smoking at the
> same time?

I don't patch except when traveling -- as in on airplanes.  Haven't had
any patched moments at all since the last time I tried to give blood
(and was turned away because it floated -- but my pulse rate and bp were
fine -- they do that part before sticking the finger and doing the float
test).

>         Lots of things can cause it to go up temporarily.  You may
> want to drop by your doctor's office for a quick bp check.
> Or not.

I go to him every fall.  I think it was October last time, so I'll be
going again next October.  I will go back to the bloodmobile the next
time it comes to town, though -- it comes the last Tuesday of most
months.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:09:00 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>> > And you're the cutest, Alyce!
>>
>> > Betty
>>

>>Oh, I cheerfully admit that she's cuter 'n me or #1.
>>ET #3
>>
>> You'll get no argument here.
>>
>> BrP


> This was not planned

No, but we had discussed how unsmiley our photos are and how
unhappy we looked. Unhappiness is not attractive.

ET #3

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 5:10:25 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> We covered all of this in 1991. Move on!

We were all cuter in 1991.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > Is she still alive?
>
> Surely a neighbor would've let us know if she died.

As far as book people know, she is OK, but not selling books. Someone
asked about her the other day.

alyce

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At 04:57 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 4:43:46 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> >> > Maybe clo is really Shoshana in disguise.
> >> >     --bonniev
> >>
> >> who is Shoshana? Oh wild. I know someone by that name.
>
> > I bet somebody has answered this by now.  Shoshana, aka Brie, was a
> > Wordsler who told of all kinds of interesting experiences she'd had in
> > the days of yore.
>
>Bree

Natalie always has this problem of distinguishing people from
cheese.***   It's probably associated with her high pulse rate.

cwv

*** Now, if it were Bethany, she would claim keyboarding error.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > It seems very strange to me to jump suddenly from being considered a
> > low-bp person -- some people taking it have laughed and said I was
> > almost dead -- to being high.
>
> I did it a few years ago.

I knew that it could change from low to high but had thought it was
probably pretty gradual.  My mother's changed -- but she almost never
went to doctors and didn't weigh enough to give blood, so it was
something like four or five years between when it was low and when she
found out it was high.  Iow, there's no way to know how quick her change
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02003-03-25 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 5:10:25 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > We covered all of this in 1991. Move on!
>
> We were all cuter in 1991.

I think Lisa, Rita etc have gotten cuter but I may be wrong.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
d
> >   Am I about to
> > explode or something?
>
>         Of course not.

Thank you.  I am relieved.  I must say that I've felt like <one of the
gang> with this medical talk.

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 5:13:08 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> Natalie always has this problem of distinguishing people from
> cheese.***   It's probably associated with her high pulse rate.

Could be why she thought I was doing BrP--I mean, doing a BrP...

ET #3

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 5:13:08 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> > Natalie always has this problem of distinguishing people from
> > cheese.***   It's probably associated with her high pulse rate.
>
> Could be why she thought I was doing BrP--I mean, doing a BrP...

I'd forgotten about that.  My memory of it was that you were talking
about lusting for a woman and wanting to touch some part of her other
than her arm.  So what did that mean?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
> d
>
>>>  Am I about to
>>>explode or something?
>>>
>>        Of course not.
>>
>
> Thank you.  I am relieved.  I must say that I've felt like <one of the
> gang> with this medical talk.


        It could mean your kidneys are failing, though.

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At 06:16 PM 3/25/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 01:28 PM 3/25/2003 -0800, Betty wrote:
>
>>Does she mind being described in those terms? I can hardly wait to meet her
>>at breakfast at the Hearthside.
>
>Tina is a rather reserved, demure person who probably won't say a word at
>breakfast.  But you will like her.

Sounds as if we may be a lot alike.

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
  Anyway, she said
> it was 149 over something.  That's totally amazing.  Am I about to
> explode or something?

That is odd. Mine is like yours usually--110/65 and such. But once in a
while it has been 139/100 and I worry. But then it is back to the usual
the next time. DId you feel like your heart was pounding?

alyce

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> > I bet somebody has answered this by now.  Shoshana, aka Brie, was a
> > Wordsler who told of all kinds of interesting experiences she'd had in
> > the days of yore.
>
>Bree           --ET #3

Then again she was more of a cheese than a hobbit.


    --bonniev

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>Anyway, she said
>it was 149 over something.  That's totally amazing.  Am I about to
>explode or something?     -- Natalie

Yes.  Sit down in a quiet corner and do deep breathing.   This may pass.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        It could mean your kidneys are failing, though.
>>
>
> Wouldn't I explode if they didn't work?  Or would tt should dribble out
> into the rest of the body and get sucked into other organs?
>


        That's not how it has been explained to me.

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On Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 17:10, bonniev wrote:

> >No, seriously. As it happens, I spent the bicentennial 4th of July
> >on the Kesey farm, and some of the original Pranksters were there.
> >I was living in Oregon at the time, and so I have a bit of exposure
> >to the atmosphere of the book.
> >clo
>
> Maybe clo is really Shoshana in disguise.

Or Maureen Jennings? Hmmm... Clo - did you bump into a Jennings
there? Can't remember her first name - it's in the book.

Tony H.

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alyce cresap wrote:

>  DId you feel like your heart was pounding?

Nope.  Nothing seemed odd.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 18:09, alyce cresap wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > >
> > > Is she still alive?
> >
> > Surely a neighbor would've let us know if she died.
>
> As far as book people know, she is OK, but not selling books. Someone
> asked about her the other day.

The Books from Bree site now belongs to a domain reseller.
http://www.auldbooks.com

Tony H.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > Wouldn't I explode if they didn't work?  Or would tt should dribble out
> > into the rest of the body and get sucked into other organs?
>
>         That's not how it has been explained to me.

Hmm.  Maybe I'm thinking of an exploding bladder.  I'm not really sure
what kidneys do, now that I think about it.  I don't like biology.  I
don't like thinking about body parts or dissecting frogs or any of that
kind of stuff -- except genetics -- that was the only part of hs biology
I enjoyed (except, of course, for falling madly in love with my teacher
-- he had the most gorgeous eyes in the world -- but it was unrequited
love, alas).

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 06:06 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
> > I bet somebody has answered this by now.  Shoshana, aka Brie, was a
> > Wordsler who told of all kinds of interesting experiences she'd had in
> > the days of yore.
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>Did she not find a second love after
>her husband died?

Yes.  The last I heard, she was preparing him to be a widower. Hope they
are both fine.

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On Monday, March 24, 2003 at 20:03, Rita Chapman wrote:

> >>        I think he still has statuatory rape charges hanging over his
> >>head if he returns to the U.S. stemming from his fucking a
> >>14-year-old.
> >>
> >
> > So was he there to receive his award?  If so, why wasn't he arrested?
> >
>
>         I don't think so.  I didn't watch the show, but that's what I
> understand from listening to the radio -- that he can't come
> back to the U.S. or he'll be arrested.

Or the UK, I seem to remember. Which is why, um (insert one-minute
frantic thinking spell here - brain's turning to mush, but I didn't
cheat and use Google) _Tess_ (of the d'Urbervilles) was filmed in
France.

Tony H.

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On Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 17:23, Rita Chapman wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Rita Chapman wrote:
> > d
> >
> >>>  Am I about to
> >>>explode or something?
> >>>
> >>        Of course not.
> >>
> >
> > Thank you.  I am relieved.  I must say that I've felt like <one of the
> > gang> with this medical talk.
>
>
>         It could mean your kidneys are failing, though.

Could be thyroid trouble. Noticed your eyes bulging lately?

Tony H.

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>Did she not find a second love after
>her husband died?
>              - D. M.

Yes, she remarried and even sent pictures.   I still don't believe that her
first husband died, though.  I think he left her.  Or she left him.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

> Yes.  Sit down in a quiet corner and do deep breathing.   This may pass.

I don't think I have any corner sitting places.  All of my house is
quiet, though.
...
And now I've lost my train of thought.  Problem with a DSL line is that
the phone can ring.  I just had a long conversation with the person
organizing some kind of forum Thursday night (that I'm not going to
since I have to go a recital and reception that night) about our plans
for going out to dinner tomorrow night with Rosaylynn Carter's press
secretary -- somebody who will be here as a panelist for the forum I'm
not going to.  Anyway, the caller and I talked for ages about our horror
at the war, etc. etc.

Re high pulse/bp, I must admit that it entered my mind today to wonder
whether that horror might be related -- watching my country start a war,
watching young US soldiers dying or being taken prisoner, watching
people in a country we've attacked dying, etc. etc.  I really do believe
that I need to find a way to detach myself more.  But how can anybody
who cares about this country <detach>?  We are wreaking havoc that is
not going to die down in my lifetime for sure.  Sure, we are going to
<win> the war in the technical sense.  But what have we unleashed?  I
can't feel anything but gut-wrenching horror.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> I bet somebody has answered this by now.  Shoshana, aka Brie, was a
> Wordsler who told of all kinds of interesting experiences she'd had in
> the days of yore.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Did she not find a second love after
her husband died?

             - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Did she not find a second love after
> her husband died?

Yes.  We saw pictures of the wedding to the new love at the SCA festival
after the death of her alleged first husband.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tony Harminc wrote:

> Could be thyroid trouble. Noticed your eyes bulging lately?

Hmm.  The pressure was indeed up the last time it was checked (just last
week).  I guess pressured eyes and bulging eyes are the same thing sort
of.

--
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>Yes.  We saw pictures of the wedding to the new love at the SCA festival
>after the death of her alleged first husband.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Alleged death.  I think the husband was real enough.


    --bonniev

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> John, please expand. There are two reasons I can think of for you
> making that statement, and - much as it will pain you to hear it - I
> would agree with one of them.

    Go read "The White Man's Burden" and get back to me in the morning.

JMW

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James McIntosh wrote:

> Mr. L. Ron Hubbard, a science fiction writer, developed dianetics with the
> help of other science fiction writers, such as A. E. van Vogt, John
> Campbell, and many others.

    According to Robert Heinlein, they and Theodore Sturgeon, among others,
were present at a late-night gathering in California in 1949, where much adult
beverages were consumed, and bemoaning how difficult it was making a living
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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         What are the long-term effects of patching and smoking at the
> same time?

    I know someone who plays golf with a patch, smokes, and chews
simultaneously.
    And no, he's not in good shape.

JMW

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On Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 0:12, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Tony:

> >  Remind me what you do these days.
>
> We went over this just the other day! Radiology equipment. I
> work for a company that makes Imaging systems - traditional (film)
> and Digital. (Hint, it's a Belgian company. No need to provide
> the URL, Alec.)

Sure - but what do *you* do?

Tony H

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Natalie, how much cardio exercise do you get each day?

Bethany

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Evelyn writes,

>Pete, what do you think of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance?

Haven't picked it up since I was in my teens, when I made it part way
through and gave up.  Peeking at it on the web
<http://www.aoe.vt.edu/~ciochett/lit/zen.html>, I can't see that I'd get
much further nowadays.

I did love some Tom Robbins books back then: Another Roadside Attraction,
Even Cowgirls Get the Blues, Still Life with Woodpecker, and Jitterbug Perfume.

For philosophy expressed through science fiction, I'd go for Heinlein, with
a bit of Asimov and Clarke thrown in.

Pete

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> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >         What are the long-term effects of patching and smoking at
the
> > same time?

Deadly.

We had our golf pro die from it.  When they found
him he was wearing two patches and had a pack of
cigarettes in his pocket.

When I was doing the seminars I was constantly
amazed at the people who showed up for my
intro wearing a patch and saying they still smoked.
One was also on the medication that doctors give
out, which I can't remember the name of.

People are turned loose with the patch but without
education.  I have heard someone say to another
"How many patches are you up to now?"

Dangerous indeed.  Nicotine is a poison.

             - D. M.

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At 05:58 PM 3/25/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >         What are the long-term effects of patching and smoking at the
> > same time?
>
>     I know someone who plays golf with a patch, smokes, and chews
>simultaneously.
>     And no, he's not in good shape.
>
>JMW

I got addicted to the nicorette gum.  Good stuff.

Betty

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> Natalie, how much cardio exercise do you get each day?

What is cardio exercise?

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bonniev wrote:

> >after the death of her alleged first husband.
>
> Alleged death.  I think the husband was real enough.

When I saw my posting after it was distributed, it occurred to me that
alleged death is what I should have said -- possibly alleged death of
alleged husband, possibly alleged death of husband.

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In a message dated 03/25/2003 7:01:26 PM Central Standard Time,
kaminski@ISTORI.COM writes:

<<
For philosophy expressed through science fiction, I'd go for Heinlein, with
a bit of Asimov and Clarke thrown in.


>>

My Dad loved Asimov; I prefer Gibson.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Doris Markland wrote:
> > >         What are the long-term effects of patching and smoking at
> the
> > > same time?
>
> Deadly.

Not necessarily.  I've heard people talk about smoking while wearing a
patch without ill effect.  But I would never do that.  I would deem it
too risky.

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Natalie said:

>> Natalie, how much cardio exercise do you get each day?
>
>What is cardio exercise?

Natalie, my students want to know if you are REALLY a linguist!

Bethany

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02003-03-25 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 4:30:53 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Who cares? I am cool and clever.
>
> Yes, you are.

Go ahead, make it cheap

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At 08:18 PM 3/25/2003 -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>Natalie said:
>
> >> Natalie, how much cardio exercise do you get each day?
> >
> >What is cardio exercise?
>
>Natalie, my students want to know if you are REALLY a linguist!

Are you using her stuff in your class with permission? A lot of stuff she
says is just to get your reaction, you know.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> Are you using her stuff in your class with permission? A lot of stuff she
> says is just to get your reaction, you know.

She's welcome to use anything I say in her calsses.  But I'm a bit
curious about whether she's teaching exercise classes.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Natalie admits she has no credentials.  Best they could do in
> Mississippi, I guess.

That is correct.  What you get to teach in my department depends
entirely on what you've published.  So if you're regularly publishing in
linguistics, you can teach linguistics courses regardless of what you
did in your student days -- as in whether your PhD is actually in lit.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 07:55 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> > I got addicted to the nicorette gum.  Good stuff.
> >
> > Betty
>
>I've not heard anyone else say that.
>I had reports that it tasted bad and
>caused sores in their mouths.  I
>never tried it myself so don't know.

I'd rather have it than a cigarette at the time. Instant rush.  I'd make a
good junkie probably.

Betty

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have never done acid.  I have taken any illegal drug, as a
>>>>matter of fact.  I've never smoked a cigarette, either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I just want to say that while I am maintaining a rough archive
>>>of the list, I will not make it public without a travesty of
>>>an open discussion.
>>>
>>
>>       Excellent.  Such is the Words-L Way.
>>
>>       For a clearer understanding, send me $20.
>>
>
> How about $5?


        I see murky things for you.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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At 07:26 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Are you using her stuff in your class with permission? A lot of stuff she
> > says is just to get your reaction, you know.
>
>She's welcome to use anything I say in her calsses.  But I'm a bit
>curious about whether she's teaching exercise classes.

I'm sure it's an exercise in something.

B

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Mom went through 10 weeks on the patch; three weeks later, she
took up smoking again.  She tried to give up smoking, but she
can't, and, at her age, I'm not going to stop her.  It's not my place.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>        Well, bless my freakin' heart.  MSU's little literary
> magazine just accepted two of my poems.  Your influence
> shows -- they sent an email.

Congratulations, Rita--could you post them here so we could
workshop the crap out of them?

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In a message dated 3/25/2003 6:58:09 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

<< Mom went through 10 weeks on the patch; three weeks later, she
took up smoking again.  She tried to give up smoking, but she
can't, and, at her age, I'm not going to stop her.  It's not my place.
 >>

I had the patch while in the hospital for quite a while, but it never workt
for me either. Oh well, I'd rather die happy anyway! Theo

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At 09:11 PM 3/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 3/25/2003 6:58:09 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:
>
><< Mom went through 10 weeks on the patch; three weeks later, she
>took up smoking again.  She tried to give up smoking, but she
>can't, and, at her age, I'm not going to stop her.  It's not my place.
>  >>
>
>I had the patch while in the hospital for quite a while, but it never workt
>for me either. Oh well, I'd rather die happy anyway! Theo

My sister finally had to quit when she was put on oxygen.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:



> were hired to as, say, a Victorian Lit person but then get into CW and
> publish a bunch of poems and short stories but little in VicLit.  I was
> lucky since I was actually hired in Renaissance Lit but then fell in
> love with linguistics at a time when our department was in great need of
> somebody to teach linguistics courses.  So I managed to publish my way
> into linguistics and said a quick goodbye to lit (except for sometimes
> teaching lit on the sophomore level -- our rules about publishing don't
> apply to freshman and sophomore courses).


        CW is pretty nebulous anyway.



>>        Well, bless my freakin' heart.  MSU's little literary
>>magazine just accepted two of my poems.  Your influence
>>shows -- they sent an email.
>>
>
> The Jabberwock?  I must claim no influence at all.  Although I know some
> of the CW faculty quite well, I know none of the grad students who run
> the Jabberwock.  And I didn't know you'd submitted anything.  (I don't
> know, btw, how much of the decision-making is done by the grad students
> who run it and how much influence the CW faculty have.  But in either
> case, I plead innocent to your having been said yes to.)


        No, I meant that they emailed me the acceptance -- most
non-online journals still send out acceptance letters in the
mail.  I know I didn't mention submitting to The Jabberwock.
  I did it on a whim one day when I saw their classified in
Poets & Writers and pretty much forgot about it -- I had to
go back into my records and figure out what magazine it was
when I got the email.

        Interestingly, they said yes to two very unlike poems.


> What I'm very interested in, though, is when you got the e-mail and
> whether the address was @ra.  Ra has been screwed up totally since early
> yesterday.  I can't remember ever having seen such a screwup re Ra.  Ra
> isn't the only server on campus, of course, but it's the one normally
> used by departments like English, which would include the Jabberwock.  I
> think I need to go over and check on Ra again.  I checked only an hour
> or so ago and found it still in very sad shape.  I've been logging on to
> archive and fingering @ra and finding only three super-roots online.
> Last time I checked, they had been idle for a good while, making me
> think they had perhaps given it up for totally dead.


        The Editor-in-Chief -- one Sarah Asmus -- emailed it from her
Yahoo account.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Your posting about the Jabberwok inspired me to come back over here, and
Ra has finally risen from the dead!
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>       Well, bless my freakin' heart.  MSU's little literary
>>magazine just accepted two of my poems.  Your influence
>>shows -- they sent an email.
>>
>
> Congratulations, Rita--could you post them here so we could
> workshop the crap out of them?


        No.  Curb your jealousy, latte boy.



--
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02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> >>      Well, bless my freakin' heart.  MSU's little literary
> >>magazine just accepted two of my poems.  Your influence
> >>shows -- they sent an email.
> >>
> >
> >Congratulations, Rita--could you post them here so we could
> >workshop the crap out of them?
>
>
>        No.  Curb your jealousy, latte boy.


I didn't want to see them anyway, they probably suck anyway

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 7:12:15 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> When I was doing the seminars I was constantly
> amazed at the people who showed up for my
> intro wearing a patch and saying they still smoked.
> One was also on the medication that doctors give
> out, which I can't remember the name of.

Zyban/Welbutrin.

ET #3

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have never done acid.  I have taken any illegal drug, as a
>>>>>>matter of fact.  I've never smoked a cigarette, either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>I just want to say that while I am maintaining a rough archive
>>>>>of the list, I will not make it public without a travesty of
>>>>>an open discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>     Excellent.  Such is the Words-L Way.
>>>>
>>>>     For a clearer understanding, send me $20.
>>>>
>>>How about $5?
>>>
>>
>>       I see murky things for you.
>>
>
> Hey, I just got an idea! Instead of writing that stupid "poetry"
> crap, how about starting a business which charges for degrees of
> murk?


        Do ya think we could get us some of dat bling bling that way,
Swami Pimp?



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Doris:
> I had reports that it tasted bad and
> caused sores in their mouths.

Damn, they could have just dipped Skoal
and saved a lot of money.

--
Richard            where the aliens landed

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02003-03-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:22 PM 3/23/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
> >Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>
> >> The evil twins have been taken off the the "Best of 2003"
> >> page to ward off contamination, and the evil TRIPLETS have
> >> been given their own quarantined page! Check it out *right*
> >> *now* at <http://words-l.org/bestof03-2.html>!
> >
> >Tushar, you are so cool and clever.
> >
> >Triplet #2
>
> And you're the cutest, Alyce!  The other two are cute, too.

Who cares? I am cool and clever.

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Doris Markland wrote:
> Did she not find a second love after
> her husband died?

Yes, she married a Goth or Viking or something and they attend some kind
of weekend festivals dressed in costumes from medieval days.

alyce

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Doris Markland wrote:
> Did she not find a second love after
> her husband died?

Yes, she married a Goth or Viking or something and they attended some
kind of weekend festivals dressed in costumes from medieval days.

alyce

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         No, I meant that they emailed me the acceptance -- most
> non-online journals still send out acceptance letters in the
> mail.  I know I didn't mention submitting to The Jabberwock.

Weird -- I mean weird that people don't use e-mail.  It's considered the
norm here for pretty much everything.

>         The Editor-in-Chief -- one Sarah Asmus -- emailed it from her
> Yahoo account.

Funny timing.  After reading your e-mail, I went back over to Ra and
found that it was indeed alive again.  It could be that she sent it from
Yahoo because Ra was down, or it could be that she sent it from Yahoo
because that's what she always uses.  I don't know her, though her name
sounds familiar, but I've noticed that a large number of our students
use Yahoo or various ISPs instead of using Ra.  All MSU students
automatically have Ra accounts and are expected to use them or to set
.forward files if they prefer to use other addresses since all
university communication is sent via e-mail.  If they want to get any
official university info, they have to either read Ra mail or have their
Ra mail forwarded to their preferred addresses.  It's been a paperless
campus for a good while now.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>     Well, bless my freakin' heart.  MSU's little literary
>>>>magazine just accepted two of my poems.  Your influence
>>>>shows -- they sent an email.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Congratulations, Rita--could you post them here so we could
>>>workshop the crap out of them?
>>>
>>
>>       No.  Curb your jealousy, latte boy.
>>
>
>
> I didn't want to see them anyway, they probably suck anyway


        There, there, darling.  You just keep telling yourself that, ok?




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Ligniere came over late this afternoon to bring me dinner and
show me his thing. Here's a picture of it:
http://www.upgradenation.com/soycig12usbf.html

I ended up buying one for myself; it's so *cute*!!!!!!

Karen

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In a message dated 3/25/2003 7:45:51 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< You have been swearing at AOL for years. Why not give them up and get a
real server?
 >>

This time I may just decide to leave for real. Only thing that has kept me
for doing so is because I'm lazy, and I would have to resub on here, or miss
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Theodora Groothof wrote:
 I would have to resub on here,

Surely you could manage that.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
> > Weird -- I mean weird that people don't use e-mail.  It's considered the
> > norm here for pretty much everything.
>
>         Well, the submissions *do* come with SASE's, you know.

No, I didn't know that.  And I do find that strange.

>  It's
> only decent that they should use what's provided.  Hmm.  Do
> you think Sarah steamed the stamp off my envelope for her
> own nefarious uses?  I always put unusual stamps on my
> SASE's so that when the rejections come back, I can cut them
> out and send them to Karolin, who is still collecting
> American stamps.

I will explore this situation (stealthily -- won't implicate you in any
way).  But wait -- now that my mushy brain is thinking about it, I
thought that SASEs were for rejections, not for acceptances.  That's the
way it was back in the olden days, pre e-mail
submissions/acceptances/rejections.

> in checking my grades for fall semester and found that out.
>   I know my grades, of course, but sometimes it's nice to
> *see* those lovely little letters one works so hard for.

Ah, so you enjoyed looking at that D you squeaked by with.

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>>>Congratulations, Rita--could you post them here so we could
>>>workshop the crap out of them?
>>>
>>
>>       No.  Curb your jealousy, latte boy.
>>
>
>
>I didn't want to see them anyway, they probably suck anyway

Translation: Tushar is insanely gelous.

-rashmi

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:

>> It's
>>only decent that they should use what's provided.  Hmm.  Do
>>you think Sarah steamed the stamp off my envelope for her
>>own nefarious uses?  I always put unusual stamps on my
>>SASE's so that when the rejections come back, I can cut them
>>out and send them to Karolin, who is still collecting
>>American stamps.
>>
>
> I will explore this situation (stealthily -- won't implicate you in any
> way).  But wait -- now that my mushy brain is thinking about it, I
> thought that SASEs were for rejections, not for acceptances.  That's the
> way it was back in the olden days, pre e-mail
> submissions/acceptances/rejections.


        Well, 99% of the time it's a rejection, but now and then an
acceptance comes back in the SASE.


>
>>in checking my grades for fall semester and found that out.
>>  I know my grades, of course, but sometimes it's nice to
>>*see* those lovely little letters one works so hard for.
>>
>
> Ah, so you enjoyed looking at that D you squeaked by with.
>


        Why overachieve when you can be a teacher?




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On 25 Mar 2003 at 19:49, bonniev wrote:

> Alleged death.  I think the husband was real enough.

Is there some evidence for this or is it a case of so-called
women's intuition?

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02003-03-25 | Tony Harminc <tony@HARMINC.COM> writes:
> On Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 0:12, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > Tony:
>
> > >  Remind me what you do these days.
> >
> > We went over this just the other day! Radiology equipment. I
> > work for a company that makes Imaging systems - traditional (film)
> > and Digital. (Hint, it's a Belgian company. No need to provide
> > the URL, Alec.)
>
> Sure - but what do *you* do?

Yeah! What's with the snotty "there, there" attitude towards piano axioms?

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
>  She tried to give up smoking, but she
> can't, and, at her age, I'm not going to stop her.  It's not my place.

It's not exactly a matter of one's <place>, imho.  It's that I don't
really think somebody else can stop somebody from smoking.

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Doris Markland wrote:

>   I can't imagine
> why anyone would do both.  What's to gain?
> If they are used to smoking and want the
> nicotine why wouldn't they just smoke more?
> Tells me they didn't understand the purpose
> of the patch.

I agree that it makes no sense.  But the situations I've heard of have
not been by people who didn't understand the purpose of the patch.  They
were situations when people decided that they had to smoke but didn't
want to take the patch off because they wanted to keep wearing it for
later.  (Yes -- I agree that that is insane.  I'm just reporting here.)
The stories like that that I heard were mainly (entirely, I think) back
in the old days when the patches were prescription-only.  That meant
that they were more limited -- like these people didn't want to risk
wasting one by taking it off.  The idea of making the patches
prescription struck me as crazy, and I'm very glad that changed.

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At 08:05 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> >
> >  She tried to give up smoking, but she
> > can't, and, at her age, I'm not going to stop her.  It's not my place.
>
>It's not exactly a matter of one's <place>, imho.  It's that I don't
>really think somebody else can stop somebody from smoking.

Exactly.  If have to want to do it yourself for yourself.

B

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
>
> On 25 Mar 2003 at 19:49, bonniev wrote:
>
> > Alleged death.  I think the husband was real enough.
>
> Is there some evidence for this or is it a case of so-called
> women's intuition?

I think he existed and that he died. I know she had a way of spinning
tales, but I know that she had some book people at her house after he
"died" and that his books were there, but he was not. He was a
specialist in scientific books, about which she knew little, so I am
sure he didn't leave them for her to sell. In fact, she tried to, but
couldn't even price them right nor describe them well.

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
>
> On 25 Mar 2003 at 19:49, bonniev wrote:
>
> > Alleged death.  I think the husband was real enough.
>
> Is there some evidence for this or is it a case of so-called
> women's intuition?

This which?  The allegedness of the death or the real husband?

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> Natalie said:
>
>
>>>Natalie, how much cardio exercise do you get each day?
>>>
>>What is cardio exercise?
>>
>
> Natalie, my students want to know if you are REALLY a linguist!
>


        Natalie admits she has no credentials.  Best they could do in
Mississippi, I guess.




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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > That is correct.  What you get to teach in my department depends
> > entirely on what you've published.  So if you're regularly publishing in
> > linguistics, you can teach linguistics courses regardless of what you
> > did in your student days -- as in whether your PhD is actually in lit.
>
>         Actually, this makes perfect sense to me since I believe
> one's university training is only a starting point.

Actually, I oversimplified in a way.  I agree that one's university
training is only a starting point, of course.  That's why where you went
to school matters (as in the status of that school) only for the first
job application.  And these days we almost never hire anybody straight
out of a PhD program -- and never hire anybody who hasn't already
published.  So yes, where you went to school and what you did there
might matter for a first job but not later.

What I perhaps oversimplified, though, was my situation.  It's true that
my department has a rule that you have to have published in the area of
the courses you're teaching, but it's also true that if you're hired for
a certain position -- a certain field -- and you publish in another
field instead of that field, you're not likely to get tenure/promotion.
We've had many cases like that, when people were ousted because they
were hired to as, say, a Victorian Lit person but then get into CW and
publish a bunch of poems and short stories but little in VicLit.  I was
lucky since I was actually hired in Renaissance Lit but then fell in
love with linguistics at a time when our department was in great need of
somebody to teach linguistics courses.  So I managed to publish my way
into linguistics and said a quick goodbye to lit (except for sometimes
teaching lit on the sophomore level -- our rules about publishing don't
apply to freshman and sophomore courses).

>         Well, bless my freakin' heart.  MSU's little literary
> magazine just accepted two of my poems.  Your influence
> shows -- they sent an email.

The Jabberwock?  I must claim no influence at all.  Although I know some
of the CW faculty quite well, I know none of the grad students who run
the Jabberwock.  And I didn't know you'd submitted anything.  (I don't
know, btw, how much of the decision-making is done by the grad students
who run it and how much influence the CW faculty have.  But in either
case, I plead innocent to your having been said yes to.)

What I'm very interested in, though, is when you got the e-mail and
whether the address was @ra.  Ra has been screwed up totally since early
yesterday.  I can't remember ever having seen such a screwup re Ra.  Ra
isn't the only server on campus, of course, but it's the one normally
used by departments like English, which would include the Jabberwock.  I
think I need to go over and check on Ra again.  I checked only an hour
or so ago and found it still in very sad shape.  I've been logging on to
archive and fingering @ra and finding only three super-roots online.
Last time I checked, they had been idle for a good while, making me
think they had perhaps given it up for totally dead.

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At 04:06 PM 3/24/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
> > PLEASE, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
>
>You seem to be way behind in mail.  Your penis faded away days ago.  I'd
>forgotten about it until you brought it back up.

Besides, Alec likes breasts, remember?

Betty

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> >
> > You'll get no argument here.
> >
> > BrP

That's not my experience!
clo

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty
>Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 4:26 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>At 04:06 PM 3/24/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>>
>> > PLEASE, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
>>
>>You seem to be way behind in mail.  Your penis faded away
>days ago.  I'd
>>forgotten about it until you brought it back up.
>
>Besides, Alec likes breasts, remember?
>
>Betty
>

Thanks for reminding me :)


alec

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Pete, what do you think of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance?

Evelyn Duncan
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The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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02003-03-25 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> >Besides, Alec likes breasts, remember?
>
> Thanks for reminding me :)

If you need reminding you may have a problem

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>Do you die of high pulse rate?  I went to give blood this afternoon,
>knowing that I might be turned away for floating instead of sinking
>since that often happens, but something new occurred -- my pulse rate
>was too high.  What does that mean?  Should I be concerned?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

You should have taken off the nicotine patch before you went in there.  How
high was it?


    --bonniev

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At 03:16 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:06:31 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> > At 02:47 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>I think this particular piece has particular poignancy for academics.
>
> > Never worked in a bureaucracy, eh?
>
>Universities are bureaucracies, aren't they?

Well, generally, they don't admit it.

cwv

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At 01:28 PM 3/25/2003 -0800, Betty wrote:

>Does she mind being described in those terms? I can hardly wait to meet her
>at breakfast at the Hearthside.

Tina is a rather reserved, demure person who probably won't say a word at
breakfast.  But you will like her.

cwv

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> Natalie always has this problem of distinguishing people from
> cheese.***   It's probably associated with her high pulse rate.

Hmm.  Could the mushy brain I was talking about last night be related to
a galloping pulse?  Brie, however, can't be blamed on that.  I really
thought that's what it was since Brie looks more <normal> to me than
Bree.  But when Karen typed Bree, it did look sort of familiar.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 08:55 PM 3/24/03 -0600, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> > But does dianetics mean believing in everything about scientology?
>> >
>>         I thought they were pretty much the same thing, or dianetics
>> leads to scientology or something like that.
>
>Could be.  As I think I said earlier, I know almost nothing about
>dianetics -- just that it was something <psychological> and was related
>to Scientology.

Mr. L. Ron Hubbard, a science fiction writer, developed dianetics with the
help of other science fiction writers, such as A. E. van Vogt, John
Campbell, and many others.

The U.S. government decided that practising dianetics was practising
medicine (psychiatry) without a license, so the developers of dianetics
recategorized dianetics as the religion Scientology, and are free to
practice their beliefs because of freedom of religion.

Becoming 'clear' can cost many thousands of dollars.

Many intelligent people have joined Scientology, so opposing the religion
risks creating enemies of those intelligent people.

Newspapers who hire Scientologists may find that their reference libraries
become barren of articles opposing Scientology.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         It could mean your kidneys are failing, though.

Wouldn't I explode if they didn't work?  Or would tt should dribble out
into the rest of the body and get sucked into other organs?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Betty wrote:

> At 06:16 PM 3/25/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>
>> At 01:28 PM 3/25/2003 -0800, Betty wrote:
>>
>>> Does she mind being described in those terms? I can hardly wait to
>>> meet her
>>> at breakfast at the Hearthside.
>>
>>
>> Tina is a rather reserved, demure person who probably won't say a word at
>> breakfast.  But you will like her.
>
>
> Sounds as if we may be a lot alike.


        Baddie Twins!

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Tony:

> > >What about the nerd invasion underway right now, with people
> > >talking about induction and piano etc? That's not annoying?
> >
> > Nah, it takes me back to 1991. I cared about this stuff back
> > then. Now I treat it with an indulgent smile.
> >
> > -rashmi, old'n'jaded ex-nerd

>  Remind me what you do these days.

We went over this just the other day! Radiology equipment. I
work for a company that makes Imaging systems - traditional (film)
and Digital. (Hint, it's a Belgian company. No need to provide
the URL, Alec.)

The war and talk of satellite guided missiles reminds me that
back in 1991 I used to work on moving target detection for radar
systems. After that, it was modeling of tissue-energy (ultrasound,
x-ray) interaction. Both of those used a lot more applied math
than I do in my current work.

-rashmi



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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >> Natalie, how much cardio exercise do you get each day?
> >
> >What is cardio exercise?
>
> Natalie, my students want to know if you are REALLY a linguist!

You can tell them that I don't know, but what does that have to do with
exercise?  I can't see this as related to linguistics.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Natalie admits she has no credentials.  Best they could do in
>>Mississippi, I guess.
>>
>
> That is correct.  What you get to teach in my department depends
> entirely on what you've published.  So if you're regularly publishing in
> linguistics, you can teach linguistics courses regardless of what you
> did in your student days -- as in whether your PhD is actually in lit.
> --


        Actually, this makes perfect sense to me since I believe
one's university training is only a starting point.

        Well, bless my freakin' heart.  MSU's little literary
magazine just accepted two of my poems.  Your influence
shows -- they sent an email.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>
> I got addicted to the nicorette gum.  Good stuff.
>
> Betty

I've not heard anyone else say that.
I had reports that it tasted bad and
caused sores in their mouths.  I
never tried it myself so don't know.

            - D. M.

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> >
> > Deadly.
>
> Not necessarily.  I've heard people talk about smoking while wearing a
> patch without ill effect.  But I would never do that.  I would deem it
> too risky.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

That would depend upon how much they were
smoking and how many mls of nicotine they
were getting from the patch.  I can't imagine
why anyone would do both.  What's to gain?
If they are used to smoking and want the
nicotine why wouldn't they just smoke more?
Tells me they didn't understand the purpose
of the patch.

                   - D. M.

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02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> >>Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>
> >>>02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I have never done acid.  I have taken any illegal drug, as a
> >>>>matter of fact.  I've never smoked a cigarette, either.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I just want to say that while I am maintaining a rough archive
> >>>of the list, I will not make it public without a travesty of
> >>>an open discussion.
> >>>
> >>
> >>      Excellent.  Such is the Words-L Way.
> >>
> >>      For a clearer understanding, send me $20.
> >
> >How about $5?
>
>
>        I see murky things for you.

Hey, I just got an idea! Instead of writing that stupid "poetry"
crap, how about starting a business which charges for degrees of
murk?

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I've had it with AOL. They keep disconnecting me, so if I disappear for good,
you know why. Frustrated Theo

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> I've had it with AOL. They keep disconnecting me, so if I disappear for good,
> you know why. Frustrated Theo

You have been swearing at AOL for years. Why not give them up and get a
real server?

alyce
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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 6:55:34 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Haven't picked it up since I was in my teens, when I made it part way
> through and gave up.  Peeking at it on the web
> <http://www.aoe.vt.edu/~ciochett/lit/zen.html>, I can't see that I'd get
> much further nowadays.

I recently listened to it on MP3 and loved it. Probably more than
I did when I first read it.

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At 5:22 PM -0800 3/25/03, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>On 25 Mar 2003 at 19:49, bonniev wrote:
>
>> Alleged death.  I think the husband was real enough.
>
>Is there some evidence for this or is it a case of so-called
>women's intuition?

If you're asking about the allegedness of her husband, here's what I can
tell you:

When I visited her in Portland, there was a man who lived with her whom she
introduced as her husband, and who did not demur at this introduction.  Not
legal evidence, I know, but then I haven't asked Betty and Larry for their
wedding license, either.

If you're asking about the alleged death, I have no idea.  The man I took
to be her husband had diabetes, but was controlling it with diet and
exercise, and appeared to be in good health.  (He was sort of Clyde-ish in
size and build.)

Ken Miller
James Oliver Cavendish School of Reportage

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        No, I meant that they emailed me the acceptance -- most
>>non-online journals still send out acceptance letters in the
>>mail.  I know I didn't mention submitting to The Jabberwock.
>>
>
> Weird -- I mean weird that people don't use e-mail.  It's considered the
> norm here for pretty much everything.


        Well, the submissions *do* come with SASE's, you know.  It's
only decent that they should use what's provided.  Hmm.  Do
you think Sarah steamed the stamp off my envelope for her
own nefarious uses?  I always put unusual stamps on my
SASE's so that when the rejections come back, I can cut them
out and send them to Karolin, who is still collecting
American stamps.


>>        The Editor-in-Chief -- one Sarah Asmus -- emailed it from her
>>Yahoo account.
>>
>
> Funny timing.  After reading your e-mail, I went back over to Ra and
> found that it was indeed alive again.  It could be that she sent it from
> Yahoo because Ra was down, or it could be that she sent it from Yahoo
> because that's what she always uses.  I don't know her, though her name
> sounds familiar, but I've noticed that a large number of our students
> use Yahoo or various ISPs instead of using Ra.  All MSU students
> automatically have Ra accounts and are expected to use them or to set
> .forward files if they prefer to use other addresses since all
> university communication is sent via e-mail.  If they want to get any
> official university info, they have to either read Ra mail or have their
> Ra mail forwarded to their preferred addresses.  It's been a paperless
> campus for a good while now.


        Yes, UMSL does this too, but I never send anything from my
UMSL account -- just check it now and then.  Or used to.  I
found out that they cut you off very quickly if you're not
enrolled for the upcoming semester -- I was a little tardy
in checking my grades for fall semester and found that out.
  I know my grades, of course, but sometimes it's nice to
*see* those lovely little letters one works so hard for.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>  bonniev wrote:
> > Alleged death.  I think the husband was real enough.
>
>Is there some evidence for this or is it a case of so-called
>women's intuition?

Some evidence.   Some of us here knew Shoshana on another list where she
also talked about the husband and how they weren't getting along.  Of
course, we don't know what to believe.  But she spoke rather convincingly
there that he was cheating on her, she was going to leave him, and would
any of her friends on that list provide her a place to relocate her book
business.  A few months later she's on words-l calling the husband her big
cuddly, loveable bear.  A few months later he's dying and she's the
grieving widow.


    --bonniev

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>Their guys don't count

What do you expect? It's a war and the Eye-rakis are the enemy.

>CBS News Says:

>About 500 Iraqi fighters have been killed in the last two days by the 3rd
>Infantry Division...  Britain suffered its second combat death. That
>brought
>the confirmed death toll to 36 ” 18 U.S. and 18 British.

I'm contradicting the experts and predict a swift end to the war. End of
the week

-rashmi

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Between a mechanized division and an armored division?

ET #3

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 9:28:24 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> I'm contradicting the experts and predict a swift end to the war. End of
> the week

Not if Rumsfeld has his way.

ET #3

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Karen Kay writes,

>Between a mechanized division and an armored division?

To first order:

division: A major administrative and tactical unit formation that combines
in itself the necessary arms and services required for sustained combat. It
is larger than a regiment/brigade and smaller than a corps. Divisions could
be armored, containing main battle tanks, or mechanized, containing more
infantry and armored fighting vehicles.

<http://wwics.si.edu/subsites/ccpdc/pubs/brgap/gloss.pdf>

Pete

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ET #3:

> > I'm contradicting the experts and predict a swift end to the war. End of
> > the week

>Not if Rumsfeld has his way.

?? I'm sure he'd like a swift end to the war, right. That'd mean a quick
collapse of Baghdad without any messy urban warfare etc.

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Tony:

 > Sure - but what do *you* do?

Architect software, of course. hahahahaha!

Btw, any sign of the mystery flu from HK/China in Canada?

-rashmi

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 10:48:01 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> ET #3:
>> > I'm contradicting the experts and predict a swift end to the war. End of
>> > the week

>>Not if Rumsfeld has his way.

> ?? I'm sure he'd like a swift end to the war, right. That'd mean a quick
> collapse of Baghdad without any messy urban warfare etc.

Yeah, but he said just today that we are closer to the beginning
than the end. I'm reading... This book:  http://tinyurl.com/8655.
"The Generals' War : The Inside Story of the Conflict in the
Gulf" by B Michael R./Trainor Gordon. My housemate had it and
shoved it into my hands and I'm finding it fascinating. Anyway, I
can't imagine we're not going to have messy urban warfare. It
would be a pleasant surprise.

ET #3

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 10:45:51 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Karen Kay writes,
>>Between a mechanized division and an armored division?

> To first order:

> division: A major administrative and tactical unit formation that combines
> in itself the necessary arms and services required for sustained combat. It
> is larger than a regiment/brigade and smaller than a corps. Divisions could
> be armored, containing main battle tanks, or mechanized, containing more
> infantry and armored fighting vehicles.

> <http://wwics.si.edu/subsites/ccpdc/pubs/brgap/gloss.pdf>

Okay. What is an armored fighting vehicle?

The book I mentioned talked about a mechanized division having
tanks, which is why I'm asking; I didn't expect that.

ET #3

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On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Did she not find a second love after
> > her husband died?
>
> Yes.  We saw pictures of the wedding to the new love at the SCA festival
> after the death of her alleged first husband.
>
Hey, maybe my daughter has bumped into her. What part of the country?
clo

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On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:
> > Did she not find a second love after
> > her husband died?
>
> Yes, she married a Goth or Viking or something and they attended some
> kind of weekend festivals dressed in costumes from medieval days.
>
> alyce
>

OK, I certify that I am not Shoshana. That little excursion on 7/4/76 was
the only brush with really anything interesting that I ever had. And I
don't attend SCA events, although Mercy (the daughter at Oxford) does.
Also, I am not a good enough storyteller to make them up whole.

The Shoshana I know is the daughter of the guy I attended the 7/4 party
with (younger than my kids); so it's an <interesting> coincidence that the
name came up.

Not sure what makes you think of me in connection with her; but I sense
it's not a compliment, exactly.
clo

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On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Tony Harminc wrote:

> On Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 17:10, bonniev wrote:
>
> > >No, seriously. As it happens, I spent the bicentennial 4th of July
> > >on the Kesey farm, and some of the original Pranksters were there.
> > >I was living in Oregon at the time, and so I have a bit of exposure
> > >to the atmosphere of the book.
> > >clo
> >
> > Maybe clo is really Shoshana in disguise.
>
> Or Maureen Jennings? Hmmm... Clo - did you bump into a Jennings
> there? Can't remember her first name - it's in the book.
>
> Tony H.
>

No, I'm nobody interesting. Nor any disguises. As for who I bumped into, I
did bump literally into a guy named Carlos who wasn't supposed to be in
the country, and I had various other people pointed out to me, but it was
a long time ago. As I said, I could talk about <atmosphere>.

clo

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On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >        Well, bless my freakin' heart.  MSU's little literary
> > magazine just accepted two of my poems.  Your influence
> > shows -- they sent an email.
>

Congratulations.
clo

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On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>   I did it on a whim one day when I saw their classified in
> Poets & Writers and pretty much forgot about it -- I had to
> go back into my records and figure out what magazine it was
> when I got the email.
>
>         Interestingly, they said yes to two very unlike poems.
>
Nice. I find it baffling how other people pick what to like, but feel
sure these were good, from the little of your stuff I've read. Were they
the only two you submitted?
clo

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Btw, any sign of the mystery flu from HK/China in Canada?

I thought Canada was one of the first places it surfaced.  Can't
remember where in Canada now, but I remember when the news of the
mystery disease first popped up, just a few countries were named, one of
them being Canada.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Yeah, but he said just today that we are closer to the beginning
> than the end.

I think much of the talk now about low long it may drag on is PR to keep
the public from panicking when after so-called <good> days things get
bogged down and US soldiers die.  Iow, I think Rumsfeld is saying what
he's saying to keep people from getting mad at Dubya and the war because
of having expectations of great swiftness and then being disappointed.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> > Yes.  We saw pictures of the wedding to the new love at the SCA festival
> > after the death of her alleged first husband.
> >
> Hey, maybe my daughter has bumped into her. What part of the country?

Oregon, wasn't it?

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>Not sure what makes you think of me in connection with her; but I sense
>it's not a compliment, exactly.       --clo

It wasn't an insult either.  It was just a bit of a coincidence.   She was
rather infamous for telling "I was there" stories about the Summer of Love
era.  And then you told one.   Shoshana went so far as to hint that she had
borne a daughter to Jim Morrison of the Doors.  But someone pointed out
that he wasn't in California but rather in Florida during the dates she
mentioned.


    --bonniev

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>Hey, maybe my daughter has bumped into her. What part of the country?
>clo

Oregon


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> >Hey, maybe my daughter has bumped into her. What part of the country?
> >clo
>
> Oregon
>
>
>     --bonniev

Beaverton.  I thought about her when I was in Portland visiting Tina and we passed
through.


BrPPaul R. Barfoot
Special Collections
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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 6:02:49 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Yeah, but he said just today that we are closer to the beginning
>> than the end.

> I think much of the talk now about low long it may drag on is PR to keep
> the public from panicking when after so-called <good> days things get
> bogged down and US soldiers die.  Iow, I think Rumsfeld is saying what
> he's saying to keep people from getting mad at Dubya and the war because
> of having expectations of great swiftness and then being disappointed.

I don't think it works that way. I think people are putting up
with the war only because they still have hopes (like Rashmi) of
it being swift. I think telling people it will drag on makes them
nervous.

ET #3

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Last year July 4th in Bar Harbor was very warm.   The day before it hit
100.  Here are the stats for the five previous years:

July 4th, 2001 -- High of 69 and low of 57F
2000   75/59
1999    80/62
1998    71/51
1997     71/62


    --bonniev

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>I don't think it works that way. I think people are putting up
>with the war only because they still have hopes (like Rashmi) of
>it being swift. I think telling people it will drag on makes them
>nervous.        --ET #3

It certainly makes Wall Street nervous.


    --bonniev

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 7:14:52 AM, bonniev wrote:
> Last year July 4th in Bar Harbor was very warm.   The day before it hit
> 100.

I remember! It was actually cooler in Austin last year than it
was in Bar Harbor, for those who are taking note of such things.

Karen

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>  I did it on a whim one day when I saw their classified in
>>Poets & Writers and pretty much forgot about it -- I had to
>>go back into my records and figure out what magazine it was
>>when I got the email.
>>
>>        Interestingly, they said yes to two very unlike poems.
>>
>>
> Nice. I find it baffling how other people pick what to like, but feel
> sure these were good, from the little of your stuff I've read. Were they
> the only two you submitted?
> clo


        Thank you.  Yeah, I'm often surprised by which poem in a
batch gets accepted.  One poem is a few years old and is
political and imagistic; the other is new and pretty ironic.
  The third, which wasn't accepted, is confessional.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 11:00 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 10:45:51 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> > Karen Kay writes,
> >>Between a mechanized division and an armored division?
>
> > To first order:
>
> > division: A major administrative and tactical unit formation that combines
> > in itself the necessary arms and services required for sustained combat. It
> > is larger than a regiment/brigade and smaller than a corps. Divisions could
> > be armored, containing main battle tanks, or mechanized, containing more
> > infantry and armored fighting vehicles.
>
> > <http://wwics.si.edu/subsites/ccpdc/pubs/brgap/gloss.pdf>
>
>Okay. What is an armored fighting vehicle?

My guess is that an armored fighting vehicle would be something like the
Bradley, which has less armament but also carries troops.

>The book I mentioned talked about a mechanized division having
>tanks, which is why I'm asking; I didn't expect that.

Maybe the author has the terminology a bit askew; on the other hand, a
mechanized division might have some tanks in support, whereas an armored
division is basically tanks.

cwv

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At 07:17 AM 3/26/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 7:14:52 AM, bonniev wrote:
> > Last year July 4th in Bar Harbor was very warm.   The day before it hit
> > 100.
>
>I remember! It was actually cooler in Austin last year than it
>was in Bar Harbor, for those who are taking note of such things.

Yes.  I seem to remember you chuckling about it during our telephone
conversation.

cwv

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 7:41:55 AM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>>Okay. What is an armored fighting vehicle?

> My guess is that an armored fighting vehicle would be something like the
> Bradley, which has less armament but also carries troops.

Is this a type of tank or a type of truck?

>>The book I mentioned talked about a mechanized division having
>>tanks, which is why I'm asking; I didn't expect that.

> Maybe the author has the terminology a bit askew;

This is the least likely hypothesis.

> on the other hand, a mechanized division might have some tanks
> in support, whereas an armored division is basically tanks.

It could have been the tank support he was talking about; I'll
have to go find the sentence again.

The author of this book does NOT like Schwarzkopf, which is
interesting.

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 4:27:52 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> >>
>> >> Uh-huh.
>> >
>> >No, seriously. As it happens, I spent the bicentennial 4th of July
>> >on the Kesey farm, and some of the original Pranksters were there.
>> >I was living in Oregon at the time, and so I have a bit of exposure
>> >to the atmosphere of the book.
>>
>> How clever of you!

> ?
> clo

You seem to want some kind of approbation for having participated
in this event, and that was the first thing that came to mind.

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> Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> > Btw, any sign of the mystery flu from HK/China in Canada?
>
> I thought Canada was one of the first places it surfaced.  Can't
> remember where in Canada now, but I remember when the news of the
> mystery disease first popped up, just a few countries were named, one of
> them being Canada.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

It was big news last week when I was in Toronto.  There were something like 5 cases -
all in one area and all people who were related to or had had contact with someone who
had just returned from H.K.

BrP

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 7:55:02 AM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> Yes.  I seem to remember you chuckling about it during our telephone
> conversation.

I gloated.:)

ET #3

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At 08:10 AM 3/26/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 7:41:55 AM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> >>Okay. What is an armored fighting vehicle?
>
> > My guess is that an armored fighting vehicle would be something like the
> > Bradley, which has less armament but also carries troops.
>
>Is this a type of tank or a type of truck?

It's sort of a hybrid of the two.

>The author of this book does NOT like Schwarzkopf, which is
>interesting.

Generals are seldom universally beloved.

cwv

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 8:23:50 AM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> At 08:10 AM 3/26/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 7:41:55 AM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>> >>Okay. What is an armored fighting vehicle?
>>
>> > My guess is that an armored fighting vehicle would be something like the
>> > Bradley, which has less armament but also carries troops.
>>
>>Is this a type of tank or a type of truck?

> It's sort of a hybrid of the two.

>>The author of this book does NOT like Schwarzkopf, which is
>>interesting.

> Generals are seldom universally beloved.

True, but this guy seems to have more solid reasons than most of
what I've heard. Also, although orders are given and followed,
their seems to be a lot of interpretation going on.

ET #3

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 7:41:55 AM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> >>Okay. What is an armored fighting vehicle?
>
> > My guess is that an armored fighting vehicle would be something like the
> > Bradley, which has less armament but also carries troops.
>
> Is this a type of tank or a type of truck?

    Tank-ish, inasmuch as they have treads or all-wheel drive for
cross-country capability but no armor or main large-caliber weapon, and these
days are nearly always at least partly amphibious.  The acronyms are APC
(armored personnel carrier) versus MBT (main battle tank).  APC hulls are
usually only proof against fragments as opposed to ballistic projectiles; i.e.
better than a shirt but not as good as a sandbag.

JMW

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> >> >No, seriously. As it happens, I spent the bicentennial 4th of July
> >> >on the Kesey farm, and some of the original Pranksters were there.
> >> >I was living in Oregon at the time, and so I have a bit of exposure
> >> >to the atmosphere of the book.
> >>
> >> How clever of you!
>
> > ?
> > clo
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>ET #3

And that was also part of what reminded me of Shoshana.


    --bonniev

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At 04:30 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>02003-03-25 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> > >Besides, Alec likes breasts, remember?
> >
> > Thanks for reminding me :)
>
>If you need reminding you may have a problem

I love you, Tushar, my sexy bald man.


alec

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At 04:51 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Do you die of high pulse rate?  I went to give blood this afternoon,
>knowing that I might be turned away for floating instead of sinking
>since that often happens, but something new occurred -- my pulse rate
>was too high.  What does that mean?  Should I be concerned?
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Too much caffiene, smoking or heart failure.


Alec

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 8:45:00 AM, John Williams wrote:
>> Is this a type of tank or a type of truck?

>     Tank-ish, inasmuch as they have treads or all-wheel drive for
> cross-country capability but no armor or main large-caliber weapon, and these
> days are nearly always at least partly amphibious.

Thanks, this is a good description. (I mean, it addresses the
details I was wondering about.)

>  The acronyms are APC
> (armored personnel carrier) versus MBT (main battle tank).

Thank you!

>   APC hulls are
> usually only proof against fragments as opposed to ballistic projectiles; i.e.
> better than a shirt but not as good as a sandbag.

I laughed, but it's not really funny, is it?

What are the Abrams tanks they keep talking about? Is that just
the name for what I think of as an MBT?

ET #3

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-rashmi:
>>Not if Rumsfeld has his way.
> ?? I'm sure he'd like a swift end to the war

furrfu, ms. murthi.

You haven't been listening, have you?

Else you'd have learned here that the
Bush Kabal is a gang of bloodthirsty,
psychopathic bandits.  The longer it
goes, the more work the Extermination
Brigades can put in.

--
Richard                  brass flatlines

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 8:50:27 AM, bonniev wrote:

>> >> >No, seriously. As it happens, I spent the bicentennial 4th of July
>> >> >on the Kesey farm, and some of the original Pranksters were there.
>> >> >I was living in Oregon at the time, and so I have a bit of exposure
>> >> >to the atmosphere of the book.
>> >>
>> >> How clever of you!
>>
>> > ?
>> > clo
>>
>>You seem to want some kind of approbation for having participated
>>in this event, and that was the first thing that came to mind.
>>ET #3

> And that was also part of what reminded me of Shoshana.

Yes--it's what I recognized as soon as you said it.

As for the atmosphere, that atmosphere was in plenty of places at
the time, in the '60's. In 1976, though, that was 10 years after
the fact, so there must have been mostly nostalgia. When I came
back to the US in 1976, I was astonished at what I saw as a new
conservatism on college campuses. And I was sad.

ET #3

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--bonniev
> It certainly makes Wall Street nervous.

What _doesn't_?

--
"...it will fluctuate."

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At 12:12 AM 3/26/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Tony:
>
>> > >What about the nerd invasion underway right now, with people
>> > >talking about induction and piano etc? That's not annoying?
>> >
>> > Nah, it takes me back to 1991. I cared about this stuff back
>> > then. Now I treat it with an indulgent smile.
>> >
>> > -rashmi, old'n'jaded ex-nerd
>
>>  Remind me what you do these days.
>
>We went over this just the other day! Radiology equipment. I
>work for a company that makes Imaging systems - traditional (film)
>and Digital. (Hint, it's a Belgian company. No need to provide
>the URL, Alec.)

Nah, just do a traceroute from the IP you post from, it is a dead give
away. At least if you can figure out who bought Sterling.


Alec

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cwv:
> Generals are seldom universally beloved.

Apropos, perhaps, of nothing, it's
Wm. Westmoreland's birthday today.

I didn't realize he was still alive.

--
Richard                  brass flatlines

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At 08:57 PM 3/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Mom went through 10 weeks on the patch; three weeks later, she
>took up smoking again.  She tried to give up smoking, but she
>can't, and, at her age, I'm not going to stop her.  It's not my place.
>
>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
>gets the cheese.


If you love her, it is your place.


alec

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 9:06:31 AM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> At 08:57 PM 3/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Mom went through 10 weeks on the patch; three weeks later, she
>>took up smoking again.  She tried to give up smoking, but she
>>can't, and, at her age, I'm not going to stop her.  It's not my place.
>>
>>Evelyn Duncan
>>brandykitt@aol.com
>>The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
>>gets the cheese.


> If you love her, it is your place.

I tend to agree with Alec on this. The benefits of not smoking
start as soon as you stop, no matter what the age.

Karen

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On Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 4:49, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Tony:
>
>  > Sure - but what do *you* do?
>
> Architect software, of course. hahahahaha!

Oh, oh. We hired an architect here last year, and, well, things are
very different now...

> Btw, any sign of the mystery flu from HK/China in Canada?

SARS? Yup - it's a very hot topic. In Toronto here are a bunch of
people in quarantine in their homes, one school is shut down
entirely, and people are scared. There are reports from other cities
too, I believe.

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030326.ubugg0326/BNS
tory/National

Tony H.

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Karen Kay writes,

>What are the Abrams tanks they keep talking about? Is that just
>the name for what I think of as an MBT?

It's a specific MBT, the M1, currently top-of-the-line.  It's very
high-tech and heavy-duty.

Pete

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> > If you love her, it is your place.
>
> I tend to agree with Alec on this. The benefits of not smoking
> start as soon as you stop, no matter what the age.

I tend to agree with Evelyn; at least that's the attitude I have chosen to
take with my own mother, who is training herself to be immobilized because
she doesn't make an effort to walk as everyone else concerned thinks she should.
She knows the facts and is mentally competent, and I've given my opinion,
but it would drive me crazy (don't know about her) for me to keep on her.

Ann

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 4:27:52 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >> >>
> >> >> Uh-huh.
> >> >
> >> >No, seriously. As it happens, I spent the bicentennial 4th of July
> >> >on the Kesey farm, and some of the original Pranksters were there.
> >> >I was living in Oregon at the time, and so I have a bit of exposure
> >> >to the atmosphere of the book.
> >>
> >> How clever of you!
>
> > ?
> > clo
>
> You seem to want some kind of approbation for having participated
> in this event, and that was the first thing that came to mind.

No, far from it - it's a statement of fact, and an explanation for why I
said, (though joking) I might be able to contribute something to the book
group's discussion.  I wouldn't say it gives me anything at all, except a
slightly less literary perspective on the EKAT. Certainly not any kind of
personality boost or aura of importance.

Kesey talks about people like me in Demon Box - the kind of unknown
people who showed up and interfered with his real life on the farm and
added mass, but not interest, to gatherings with his friends.

And I think that's a pretty fair estimate of how I saw myself, even though
I went to the party because I wanted to party with the friends who had
been invited, not particularly because of the mystique.

clo

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>
> As for the atmosphere, that atmosphere was in plenty of places at
> the time, in the '60's. In 1976, though, that was 10 years after
> the fact, so there must have been mostly nostalgia. When I came
> back to the US in 1976, I was astonished at what I saw as a new
> conservatism on college campuses. And I was sad.
>

Yeah, I went back to college after that, and in a very short time it had
gone from jeans and spiritual journeys to stockings, heels, makeup, and
careers including the MRS. Also disco came in, and the jocks learned to
smoke dope and the frekes learned to drink, and started to become redneck
future desk-jockies. I couldn't stick it out - it led to me quitting
school the 2d time.

I wrote a sonnet to my roommate's primping, that started "In Vain These
Shades And Curls Attempt To Hide".
clo

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On Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 17:54, John Williams wrote:

> > Many intelligent people have joined Scientology, so opposing the religion
> > risks creating enemies of those intelligent people.
>
>     It can cost you your life.  Dissenters have had their lives threated or
> taken.  This, I suppose, makes them a real religion.

More likely, it can cost you your money. They are quick to sue anyone
they don't like, and anyone without very deep pockets is likely to
capitulate rather quickly.

Tony H.

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On Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 19:12, Doris Markland wrote:

> When I was doing the seminars I was constantly
> amazed at the people who showed up for my
> intro wearing a patch and saying they still smoked.
> One was also on the medication that doctors give
> out, which I can't remember the name of.

Zyban? Also marketed under the name Wellbutrin as an anti-depressant.

Tony H.

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On Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 18:22, Betty wrote:

> My sister finally had to quit when she was put on oxygen.

An easy choice, if you've ever seen a cigarette burn in an oxygen
environment.

Tony H.

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Karen Kay wrote:

>
> I laughed, but it's not really funny, is it?

    No, it isn't.

JMW

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>I tend to agree with Alec on this. The benefits of not smoking
>start as soon as you stop, no matter what the age.
>Karen

BadBetty is going to start again when she turns 80.


    --bonniev

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I sent the "lament" to an old and good friend, who this semester is
wrapping his career as a university professor.  This, with some personal
references deleted, was his take on the subject.

===================
This analysis is right on the mark. I have encountered these problems in my
environmental biology course (primarily freshman and sophomore non-science
majors) in recent years. This semester I am giving a number of short
quizzes in addition to the major exams. Out of despair more than anything,
I assigned one chapter in the text for the last quiz. I called this my
"least testable unit." The frequency distribution of scores on a 10-point
quiz was:10(1), 9(7), 8(14), 7(11), 6(13), 5(18), 4(10), 3(9), 2(4), and
1(5). Students complained that the chapter (water resources and water
pollution) was too long and complex. When I pointed out to them that we had
covered the material on the quiz in class (I even produced the handouts
that I had used.), the silence in the class was almost deafening.

They read only when forced to do so; they don't comprehend what they read;
they don't know how to take notes; and many of them refuse to admit that
the source of their difficulties is not the instructor.

P.S. I do not assign all of the blame to the poor secondary school teachers.
How many homes have you been in over the years where there is not a book
in sight? The parents are well educated and have good incomes, but they
never get their kids involved with reading in the home. However, there
is no problem with getting them to soccer practice, dancing classes, etc.
===================

cwv

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Tony Harminc wrote:

> On Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 19:12, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > When I was doing the seminars I was constantly
> > amazed at the people who showed up for my
> > intro wearing a patch and saying they still smoked.
> > One was also on the medication that doctors give
> > out, which I can't remember the name of.
>
> Zyban? Also marketed under the name Wellbutrin as an anti-depressant.
>
> Tony H.
>

At least the Zyban doesn't increase the nicotine dependence.
My husband used it a few years ago to quit, and was very successful.
Unfortunately a "friend" coaxed him to smoke a celebratory cigarette on
New Year's, after 18 months of freedom.

The Zyban also helped tremendously with anxiety and depression, even
though the dose is technically below the anti-depression threshold.

He did have side effects, including difficulty sleeping. Odd, you have
more energy when not depressed and oxygen-deprived!
clo

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"I just had an expensive book rebinded and I must say, the results were
far beyond my expectations.  The original cloth boards were just too
ragged to save so I had
the book bound (binded?) in full dark blue leather ..."
--
alyce

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On Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 5:59, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > Btw, any sign of the mystery flu from HK/China in Canada?
>
> I thought Canada was one of the first places it surfaced.  Can't
> remember where in Canada now, but I remember when the news of the
> mystery disease first popped up, just a few countries were named, one of
> them being Canada.

They evidently traced one outbreak to a few people who shared an
elevator with a doctor in HK who was sniffling and sneezing and then
checked himself into hospital the next day and promptly died. These
people flew together to Toronto, and then spread out to various
places around the city before they got sick.

Tony H.

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On Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 11:10, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU
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> Kesey talks about people like me in Demon Box - the kind of unknown
> people who showed up and interfered with his real life on the farm and
> added mass, but not interest, to gatherings with his friends.

I mostly remember his chapter on one guy with only the vaguest
knowledge of Kesey's works who showed up planning to stay. He also
seemed to have a gun in his pack.

Tony H.

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I am delighed that Connie Chung is gone - I could not stand her show,
could not even stand to look at her. Now maybe there will be news at that
hour.

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:
> I don't think it works that way. I think people are putting up
> with the war only because they still have hopes (like Rashmi) of
> it being swift. I think telling people it will drag on makes them
> nervous.

It helps the market to let people know it will be dragging on. After
going up last week for three days in a row, it plummeted Monday after
SUnday's bad news. As soon as they said it would go on longer, people
became reassured and the market went up yesterday.

Last Friday, the Gallup Poll had 69% saying the war was going very well,
but that fell to 31% by Monday.

Now we will see George going to a military base two-three times a week
to buoy spirits. As long as he acts as a cheerleader at these places as
he did today at McGill, they hope that people will be content.

alyce

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From: "Tony Harminc" <tzha1@attglobal.net>
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On Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 12:08, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU
wrote:

> The Zyban also helped tremendously with anxiety and depression, even
> though the dose is technically below the anti-depression threshold.

But the stop-smoking and anti-depression doses are the same, as far
as I know. It's just marketing that presents them under two different
names.

Tony H.

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Tony Harminc wrote:

> On Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 11:10, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU
> wrote:
>
> > Kesey talks about people like me in Demon Box - the kind of unknown
> > people who showed up and interfered with his real life on the farm and
> > added mass, but not interest, to gatherings with his friends.
>
> I mostly remember his chapter on one guy with only the vaguest
> knowledge of Kesey's works who showed up planning to stay. He also
> seemed to have a gun in his pack.
>
> Tony H.

He also talked about finding people in the field, communing
with his cows, and stuff. I wasn't drawing any specific parallels;
I'm not that interesting or important; couldn't think of a really
memorable way to be annoying. I went to the party with
friends; I took up valuable space on the dance floor and
at the picnic; and I soaked up conversation and impressions.
It was exciting and fun; I still remember the things I learned
about the ordinariness of people who do extraordinary things.

clo

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> > John Williams wrote:
> >
> > > "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ah, Kipling.  He was a racist, colonialist, sexist, militaristic pig - but he was a
> > > > damned fine story teller.
> > >
> > >     You've never read him, obviously.
> > >
> > > JMW
> >
> > Please expand -
> > clo

It's next day, and I have completed my reading assignment.
So please John, will you tell me whether it's the pig comment
or the good storyteller comment that leads you to infer BrPaul
has never read Kipling?
clo

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02003-03-26 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> At 04:30 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >02003-03-25 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> >> >Besides, Alec likes breasts, remember?
> >>
> >> Thanks for reminding me :)
> >
> >If you need reminding you may have a problem
>
> I love you, Tushar, my sexy bald man.

Deal with it one day at a time

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In a message dated 3/26/2003 8:06:55 AM, plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:

<< If you love her, it is your place.
 >>

I know my children love me, but it would irritate me to no end if they bugged
me about my smoking. Not that there's much chance for that, because 2 of them
smoke themselves, and I love them with everything that's in me, and I
wouldn't dream of bugging them! So get on my ass, all you perfect
non-smokers, I don't care. Theo

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 11:43:48 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> As long as he acts as a cheerleader at these places as
> he did today at McGill, they hope that people will be content.

Not this people.

ET #3

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 12:09:52 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:
> In a message dated 3/26/2003 8:06:55 AM, plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:
> << If you love her, it is your place.
>  >>

> I know my children love me, but it would irritate me to no end if they bugged
> me about my smoking. Not that there's much chance for that, because 2 of them
> smoke themselves, and I love them with everything that's in me, and I
> wouldn't dream of bugging them! So get on my ass, all you perfect
> non-smokers, I don't care. Theo

And this is precisely how you endear yourself to us.

ET #3

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 11:19:27 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> "I just had an expensive book rebinded and I must say, the results were

Does one say 'rebinded' or 'rebound'? I've always said rebound,
but I don't hang out with booksellers.

> far beyond my expectations.  The original cloth boards were just too
> ragged to save so I had
> the book bound (binded?) in full dark blue leather ..."

This has to be bound, doesn't it?

I don't know, I feel like I just failed a test!

ET #3

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 10:15:32 AM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> Yeah, I went back to college after that, and in a very short time it had
> gone from jeans and spiritual journeys to stockings, heels, makeup, and
> careers including the MRS.

The MRS dates from the '50's, I believe. (There was a brief
revival when I was at Yale, where professors are called Mr. and
Mrs....We used to joke about being in the Ph.D. program to get
our MRS degree. But at the same time, we used to address each
other as Mr. Kay, et al.)

> I couldn't stick it out - it led to me quitting
> school the 2d time.

I guess the atmosphere wasn't important enough for me to bother
with--also, I managed to meet enough people like me to keep me
going.

> I wrote a sonnet to my roommate's primping, that started "In Vain These
> Shades And Curls Attempt To Hide".

LOL.

ET #3

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 10:14:24 AM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>> > If you love her, it is your place.
>>
>> I tend to agree with Alec on this. The benefits of not smoking
>> start as soon as you stop, no matter what the age.

> I tend to agree with Evelyn; at least that's the attitude I have chosen to
> take with my own mother, who is training herself to be immobilized because
> she doesn't make an effort to walk as everyone else concerned thinks she should.
> She knows the facts and is mentally competent, and I've given my opinion,
> but it would drive me crazy (don't know about her) for me to keep on her.

My mother did that, too. It made me crazy.

If she's serious about this, there's nothing you can do. I wasn't
speaking to my mother for over a year before she died (till she
was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer), so I guess I'm not the
person to talk. As far as I know, no one ragged her about her
smoking during the time she was dying.

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Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Theodora Groothof
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 1:10 PM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>>
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>>In a message dated 3/26/2003 8:06:55 AM, plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:
>>
>><< If you love her, it is your place.
>>
>>I know my children love me, but it would irritate me to no end
>>if they bugged
>>me about my smoking. Not that there's much chance for that,
>>because 2 of them
>>smoke themselves, and I love them with everything that's in me, and I
>>wouldn't dream of bugging them! So get on my ass, all you perfect
>>non-smokers, I don't care. Theo
>>
>>
>
> As an ex-smoker, I can talk. If you ever seen lung cancer or emphysema, it
> is horrible. Do what you want, I don't care.
>


        And she wonders why I think she's stupid.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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>
>        And she wonders why I think she's stupid.
>
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>

Thank you Mrs. Chapman.


alec

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http://162.42.211.226/article2375.htm

News you won't find on CNN. These are reports from Russia and are often
different from what I've been hearing/reading.

alyce

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On 26 Mar 2003 at 12:40, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> I am delighed that Connie Chung is gone - I could not stand her show,
> could not even stand to look at her. Now maybe there will be news at
> that hour.

Connie Chung is a babe. Your envy, however predictable, is
unattractive.

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Theodora Groothof
>Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 1:10 PM
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>In a message dated 3/26/2003 8:06:55 AM, plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:
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><< If you love her, it is your place.
> >>
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>I know my children love me, but it would irritate me to no end
>if they bugged
>me about my smoking. Not that there's much chance for that,
>because 2 of them
>smoke themselves, and I love them with everything that's in me, and I
>wouldn't dream of bugging them! So get on my ass, all you perfect
>non-smokers, I don't care. Theo
>

As an ex-smoker, I can talk. If you ever seen lung cancer or emphysema, it
is horrible. Do what you want, I don't care.

alec

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bethany K. Dumas
>Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 12:41 PM
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>
>I am delighed that Connie Chung is gone - I could not stand her show,
>could not even stand to look at her. Now maybe there will be
>news at that
>hour.
>
>Bethany


The AP did an article which is on CNN.COM at
http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/TV/03/26/chung.canceled.ap/index.html

alec

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02003-03-26 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> quotes:
> ===================
> [...] The parents are well educated and have good incomes,

Wrong. The parents have good incomes, and are hence deemed to
be well-educated. Frequently they can't read much more than
"fast facts", "executive summaries" and slides, and few of
them can spell or punctuate reliably, or frame acceptable
sentences. If you use that criterion, they are ill-educated.

> but they never get their kids involved with reading in the
> home. However, there is no problem with getting them to soccer
> practice, dancing classes, etc.
> ===================

Are we seeing a soccer revolution or a dance renaissance? The
contrast with reading is bad.

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 12:51:00 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Are we seeing a soccer revolution or a dance renaissance? The
> contrast with reading is bad.

If all those kids were really going to dance classes or soccer
practice, would obesity be so rampant?

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> I am delighed that Connie Chung is gone - I could not stand her show,
> could not even stand to look at her. Now maybe there will be news at that
> hour.

I did not know she was gone, but I am also glad. I could not stand her
either.

alyce

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 12:56:53 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 26 Mar 2003 at 12:40, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>> I am delighed that Connie Chung is gone - I could not stand her show,
>> could not even stand to look at her. Now maybe there will be news at
>> that hour.

> Connie Chung is a babe. Your envy, however predictable, is
> unattractive.

YaY, Mem!

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 12:52:59 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> I did not know she was gone, but I am also glad. I could not stand her
> either.

Why?

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 10:10:20 AM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> No, far from it - it's a statement of fact, and an explanation for why I
> said, (though joking) I might be able to contribute something to the book
> group's discussion.  I wouldn't say it gives me anything at all, except a
> slightly less literary perspective on the EKAT.

I don't think anyone in the room looked at this book from a
literary perspective.

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 10:07:45 AM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Karen Kay writes,
>>What are the Abrams tanks they keep talking about? Is that just
>>the name for what I think of as an MBT?

> It's a specific MBT, the M1, currently top-of-the-line.  It's very
> high-tech and heavy-duty.

Thanks.

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 5:32:49 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 06:16 PM 3/25/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>>Tina is a rather reserved, demure person who probably won't say a word at
>>breakfast.  But you will like her.

> Sounds as if we may be a lot alike.

I saved this in my mailbox so I can read it again every day. It
invariably makes me laugh.

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

>> I am delighed that Connie Chung is gone - I could not stand her show,
>> could not even stand to look at her. Now maybe there will be news at
>> that hour.
>
>Connie Chung is a babe. Your envy, however predictable, is
>unattractive.

Envy? Who brought that up? Not I, said the little red hen .... I must have
missed a post.

On the other hand, I don't spend much time lookng for or at <babes>.

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>If all those kids were really going to dance classes or soccer
>practice, would obesity be so rampant?

Where do you think they are going instead?

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http://italy.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/224642.php

Can this be true? If yes, they are doing a great job of keeping it from
the press in the US.

Speaking of which, this morning on CNN they were showing an Iraqi
official speaking on TV (in English). After a few minutes, the CNN
anchor woman said, "We'll cut away here because the US government
probably does not agree with most of what he is saying."

alyce

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 5:21:34 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 5:13:08 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>> > Natalie always has this problem of distinguishing people from
>> > cheese.***   It's probably associated with her high pulse rate.
>>
>> Could be why she thought I was doing BrP--I mean, doing a BrP...

> I'd forgotten about that.  My memory of it was that you were talking
> about lusting for a woman and wanting to touch some part of her other
> than her arm.  So what did that mean?

Not just 'a woman'. Susan Sarandon.

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 12:59:14 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>If all those kids were really going to dance classes or soccer
>>practice, would obesity be so rampant?

> Where do you think they are going instead?

To consume mass quantities of high-fructose corn syrup.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Does one say 'rebinded' or 'rebound'? I've always said rebound,
> but I don't hang out with booksellers.
>
> > far beyond my expectations.  The original cloth boards were just too
> > ragged to save so I had
> > the book bound (binded?) in full dark blue leather ..."
>
> This has to be bound, doesn't it?

Bound and rebound. I cannot believe that you would consider rebinded as
a possibility.

alyce

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 1:01:22 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Bound and rebound. I cannot believe that you would consider rebinded as
> a possibility.

A lot of jargon is like that--it uses regular forms of verbs
where the irregular is more common. It's part of language change.

ET #3

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02003-03-26 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >>>Congratulations, Rita--could you post them here so we could
> >>>workshop the crap out of them?
> >>>
> >>
> >>      No.  Curb your jealousy, latte boy.
> >>
> >
> >
> >I didn't want to see them anyway, they probably suck anyway
>
> Translation: Tushar is insanely gelous.

Who axed you?

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John Williams wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > It's next day, and I have completed my reading assignment.
> > So please John, will you tell me whether it's the pig comment
> > or the good storyteller comment that leads you to infer BrPaul
> > has never read Kipling?
>
>     All of the above.  No one who has read farther than the title of "The White Man's Burden"
> could accuse Rudy the Kip of any of those things.
>
> JMW

Excuse me, but BrP said that he was a good storyteller. Are you saying that
after reading "TWMB", I should think he's a bad storyteller?

fwiw, I would say that, while his language is very often the language of
empire, his view of people is too complex to write him off as a
blanket -ist.

clo

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> John Williams wrote:
>
> > Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >
> > > It's next day, and I have completed my reading assignment.
> > > So please John, will you tell me whether it's the pig comment
> > > or the good storyteller comment that leads you to infer BrPaul
> > > has never read Kipling?
> >
> >     All of the above.  No one who has read farther than the title of "The White Man's Burden"
> > could accuse Rudy the Kip of any of those things.
> >
> > JMW
>
> Excuse me, but BrP said that he was a good storyteller. Are you saying that
> after reading "TWMB", I should think he's a bad storyteller?
>
> fwiw, I would say that, while his language is very often the language of
> empire, his view of people is too complex to write him off as a
> blanket -ist.
>
> clo

My apologies for being too simplistic in what I said about R.K.  I grew up on Kipling's
stories and perhaps it is because I went to sleep listening to the music of Just So
stories and thinking that "Oh best beloved" meant me, that I am unable to be
objective about his storytelling - and maybe it is the difference in the times and not
the man himself that makes me less than objective about his views of white men and
of women in the world.  clo is right, he is much more complex than my simple -ist
comments about him.  I am guilty of something I abhor when I hear it from others -
speaking in blacks and whites when the world is multiple shades of gray.


BrP

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John Williams wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > Excuse me, but BrP said that he was a good storyteller. Are you saying that
> > after reading "TWMB", I should think he's a bad storyteller?
>
>     I averred no such thing.  Quite the contrary.

Thanks, that's what I was trying to clarify.
BrPaul made an
A(neg) [RK the -ist]      BUT      B (pos) [RK a great storyteller]
statement, and I wanted to know if you were rebutting A, or B, or both.

You were rebutting A, the opening negative comments. Based on
the published works I have read by Kipling, the negative comments
made by people who mark him as a colonial apologist are based on
hasty readings. So it seems, hard as it is to credit, that you and I
agree!

However,  BrPaul may know more based on unpublished manuscripts
and private letters that show otherwise. Paul, why do you see Kipling
as a general -ist?

clo

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It seems the only source reporting this is Echo Radio in Moscow.  All other reports I
find are quotes from that source.  I would not jump to believe it.  If she really is there
and intends to be a human shield, I'm sure it will be big news reported widely.

BrP



> http://italy.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/224642.php
>
> Can this be true? If yes, they are doing a great job of keeping it from
> the press in the US.
>
> Speaking of which, this morning on CNN they were showing an Iraqi
> official speaking on TV (in English). After a few minutes, the CNN
> anchor woman said, "We'll cut away here because the US government
> probably does not agree with most of what he is saying."
>
> alyce

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02003-03-26 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 12:51:00 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Are we seeing a soccer revolution or a dance renaissance? The
> > contrast with reading is bad.
>
> If all those kids were really going to dance classes or soccer
> practice, would obesity be so rampant?

You make an interesting point. It stands to reason that
reading should be discouraged.

Maybe a combat-ish game could be invented?

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
> >
> Connie Chung is a babe. Your envy, however predictable, is
> unattractive.

I used to like her, years ago. But she changed somehow and her recent
show on CNN really turned me off. She had an entirely different
personality, it seemed. Attractive still, though.

alyce


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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> It's next day, and I have completed my reading assignment.
> So please John, will you tell me whether it's the pig comment
> or the good storyteller comment that leads you to infer BrPaul
> has never read Kipling?

    All of the above.  No one who has read farther than the title of "The White Man's Burden"
could accuse Rudy the Kip of any of those things.

JMW

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Why?

She started asking stupid questions. She simpered. And, I forget the
rest. See previous post. As I said, I used to like her, and she is fine
on Letterman. But not on CNN.

alyce

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02003-03-26 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >If all those kids were really going to dance classes or soccer
> >practice, would obesity be so rampant?
>
> Where do you think they are going instead?

How can you ask this? If there is disagreement, surely *you*
ought to prove your assertion ...

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02003-03-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Do ya think we could get us some of dat bling bling that way,
> Swami Pimp?

Swami Pimp ... that's like the most prehistoric name ever

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-25 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> > > > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >That local color is hurting my eyes ...
> > > >
> > > > This seems to be a trend with me.
> > > > My house, my quotes,
> > > > oh, where will it end?
> > >
> > > at the pot of gold?
> >
> > Is that a bar in Chicago? Cause if so, Tushar will have to introduce
> > me to the bartender.
>
> I have already mentioned she paralyzes me.

Then I think you need to work on getting over it, or I will be able
to steal your drinks.
clo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Excuse me, but BrP said that he was a good storyteller. Are you saying that
> after reading "TWMB", I should think he's a bad storyteller?

    I averred no such thing.  Quite the contrary.

> fwiw, I would say that, while his language is very often the language of
> empire, his view of people is too complex to write him off as a
> blanket -ist.

    Keep it up, you're getting there.

JMW

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 1:12:22 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> Why?

> She started asking stupid questions. She simpered.

Ah. Both of these are unforgivable by ET's.

> As I said, I used to like her, and she is fine
> on Letterman. But not on CNN.

Got it.

ET #3

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 1:20:10 PM, John Williams wrote:
>> Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 10:07:45 AM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>> >>What are the Abrams tanks they keep talking about? Is that just
>> >>the name for what I think of as an MBT?
>>
>> > It's a specific MBT, the M1, currently top-of-the-line.  It's very
>> > high-tech and heavy-duty.

>     Extremely HD.  We've had two knocked out and both crews survived.

Sounds like what I need for Austin traffic.:)

ET #3

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> Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 1:12:22 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >> Why?
>
> > She started asking stupid questions. She simpered.
>
> Ah. Both of these are unforgivable by ET's.
>
> > As I said, I used to like her, and she is fine
> > on Letterman. But not on CNN.
>
> Got it.
>
> ET #3

I lost all interest in her when she married Maury Povich


BrP

Paul R. Barfoot
Special Collections
Syracuse University Library

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Some message from words-l wouldn't come through. I'll try to identify
that particular message at the web-page of my mail-box, or just delete
about 60 last messages that are to be waiting there.

Kristin

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> Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 10:07:45 AM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> >>What are the Abrams tanks they keep talking about? Is that just
> >>the name for what I think of as an MBT?
>
> > It's a specific MBT, the M1, currently top-of-the-line.  It's very
> > high-tech and heavy-duty.

    Extremely HD.  We've had two knocked out and both crews survived.

JMW

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 1:56:24 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> I lost all interest in her when she married Maury Povich

I thought they were married forever. Before she became well
known.

ET #3

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News story with rebuttal from Cheney's spokesperson:
<http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31707>.

Pete

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> >If all those kids were really going to dance classes or soccer
>> >practice, would obesity be so rampant?
>>
>> Where do you think they are going instead?
>
>How can you ask this? If there is disagreement, surely *you*
>ought to prove your assertion ...

Who has disagreed?

Bethany

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Married in 1984.

His father's name is Shirley, mother was named Ethyl. The father
was born in Bar Harbor, and listed in the first edition of "Who's
Who in American Women".

Karen
"I am, we are,
Who can distinguish us?"
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> Oh, YAWN.  It's always the fucking high school teacher's
> fault.  My students read 20 - 30 pages a night, and most of
> them are language impaired and/or learning disabled.

So how are your kids doing in their other classes that are also giving them 20-
30 pages a night?

lisa

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02003-03-26 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> >> >If all those kids were really going to dance classes or soccer
> >> >practice, would obesity be so rampant?
> >>
> >> Where do you think they are going instead?
> >
> >How can you ask this? If there is disagreement, surely *you*
> >ought to prove your assertion ...
>
> Who has disagreed?

What do you think you are doing?

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Strange enough. Clo's and JMW's messages kept coming into my general
Inbox, not into the folder for words-l, even after I had deleted them
from the server.

Kristin

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> > John Williams wrote:
> >
> > > Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's next day, and I have completed my reading assignment.
> > > > So please John, will you tell me whether it's the pig comment
> > > > or the good storyteller comment that leads you to infer BrPaul
> > > > has never read Kipling?
> > >
> > >     All of the above.  No one who has read farther than the title of "The White Man's Burden"
> > > could accuse Rudy the Kip of any of those things.
> > >
> > > JMW
> >
> > Excuse me, but BrP said that he was a good storyteller. Are you saying that
> > after reading "TWMB", I should think he's a bad storyteller?
> >
> > fwiw, I would say that, while his language is very often the language of
> > empire, his view of people is too complex to write him off as a
> > blanket -ist.
> >
> > clo
>
> My apologies for being too simplistic in what I said about R.K.  I grew up on Kipling's
> stories and perhaps it is because I went to sleep listening to the music of Just So
> stories and thinking that "Oh best beloved" meant me, that I am unable to be
> objective about his storytelling - and maybe it is the difference in the times and not
> the man himself that makes me less than objective about his views of white men and
> of women in the world.  clo is right, he is much more complex than my simple -ist
> comments about him.  I am guilty of something I abhor when I hear it from others -
> speaking in blacks and whites when the world is multiple shades of gray.
>
> BrP

Thanks for clarifying. Some days I really think you must be my
ET, with our bifurcated mother reading the same books at the
same stages.

I hadn't really thought about whether Kipling was sexist before. The
books I read were mostly adventure stories - Kim and Stalky&Co -
and I was so wrapped up in the protagonists' exploits that I never
noticed the relative absence of women.

I can't think that the Woman of Shamlian (polyandrous role model
that she was), or the complicit dairymaid in Dover were particularly
unfair portrayals - both independent, both dealing capably with the
men in their spheres. Even the Flower of Delight was an independent
entity, carrying out the will of her shadowy masters, but maintaining
the right to her own opinions of her victims and her coworkers alike.

The widow on the Great Trunk Road taught me much of what I know
about insults (What? Thy own mother had no nose? ). How could I
ever have survived on Words-L without her example?

But probably Tushar will just say I am talking too much again.
clo

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Married in 1984.
>
> His father's name is Shirley, mother was named Ethyl. The father
> was born in Bar Harbor, and listed in the first edition of "Who's
> Who in American Women".

Her father is in American Women? He must have been a Babe!

alyce

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At least I got this. I'll see, perhaps some 20 minutes before going home
whether I can receive msgs of others, too.

Have had busy days, and read only few msgs meanwhile.

Kr.

Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Strange enough. Clo's and JMW's messages kept coming into my general
> Inbox, not into the folder for words-l, even after I had deleted them
> from the server.
>
> Kristin

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Lisa Alfieri wrote:

>>Oh, YAWN.  It's always the fucking high school teacher's
>>fault.  My students read 20 - 30 pages a night, and most of
>>them are language impaired and/or learning disabled.
>>
>
> So how are your kids doing in their other classes that are also giving them 20-
> 30 pages a night?


        I wouldn't assume that they're being assigned that many pages
of textbook reading.  I also don't make any assumptions
about what other teachers are assigning.  I haven't the
foggiest idea, as a matter of fact.  I rarely leave Room 219.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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... instead of my test-message there is a blank line in my mailbox now
-- the header and sender and date were there a moment ago.

Kr.

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 2:16:16 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> Married in 1984.
>>
>> His father's name is Shirley, mother was named Ethyl. The father
>> was born in Bar Harbor, and listed in the first edition of "Who's
>> Who in American Women".

> Her father is in American Women? He must have been a Babe!

His father. Shirley Povich.

ET #3

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 2:21:55 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
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> -- the header and sender and date were there a moment ago.

You need to make a sacrifice to the Mail God.

ET #3

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 2:21:55 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > ... instead of my test-message there is a blank line in my mailbox now
> > -- the header and sender and date were there a moment ago.
>
> You need to make a sacrifice to the Mail God.

:-)

I guess I abandon this all for today. Need to send another nomail message to
the listserv and see whether tomorrow is something better.

Meanwhile I may think what a suitable sacrifice might be.

--- and I'm compelled to go nomail just when the most busy days are over for
this month :-( But I'm afraid the server would turn crazy if I won't.

Do not write too interesting messages meanwhile!

Bye!

Kristin

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 2:16:16 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >> Married in 1984.
> >>
> >> His father's name is Shirley, mother was named Ethyl. The father
> >> was born in Bar Harbor, and listed in the first edition of "Who's
> >> Who in American Women".
>
> > Her father is in American Women? He must have been a Babe!
>
> His father. Shirley Povich.

I still don't get how a father gets in American WOmen.
And I still say he must have been a babe.

alyce

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> >
>> >How can you ask this? If there is disagreement, surely *you*
>> >ought to prove your assertion ...
>>
>> Who has disagreed?
>
>What do you think you are doing?

Asking for information.

Seeking enlightenment.

Bethany

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

>> was born in Bar Harbor, and listed in the first edition of "Who's
>> Who in American Women".
>
>Her father is in American Women? He must have been a Babe!

I might watch that <babe>.

Bethany

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On Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 13:18, Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 1:01:22 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> > Bound and rebound. I cannot believe that you would consider rebinded
> > as a possibility.
>
> A lot of jargon is like that--it uses regular forms of verbs
> where the irregular is more common. It's part of language change.

Not just verbs; many people think the plural of (computer) mouse is
mouses. Interestingly, not pronounced like houses, but with an s
rather than z sound.

Tony H.

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http://www.cyberglass.co.uk/assets/Flash/psychic.swf

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> ET, with our bifurcated mother reading the same books at the
> same stages.

"our bifurcated mother"  OUR BIFURCATED MOTHER

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha


yo mama BI FUCKATED!

ha ha ha

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On Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 14:33, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Excuse me, but BrP said that he was a good storyteller. Are you saying that
> after reading "TWMB", I should think he's a bad storyteller?
>
> fwiw, I would say that, while his language is very often the language of
> empire, his view of people is too complex to write him off as a
> blanket -ist.

Well surely the language of empire was mainstream at the time. Who
was arguing against?

Tony H.

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> http://www.cyberglass.co.uk/assets/Flash/psychic.swf


Very interesting.  Each time you reload, the symbol for 18 (which is always the
answer to the calculation) changes.  It IS magic.

BrP


Paul R. Barfoot
Special Collections
Syracuse University Library

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http://www.emailbliss.com/files/Pictures/slideshow/images/HotDog1.jpg

Natalie: humor--great dog picture

alyce

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02003-03-26 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >> >
> >> >How can you ask this? If there is disagreement, surely *you*
> >> >ought to prove your assertion ...
> >>
> >> Who has disagreed?
> >
> >What do you think you are doing?
>
> Asking for information.
>
> Seeking enlightenment.

Ah! Well, I have neither.

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 2:36:39 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 2:16:16 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
>> > Karen Kay wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Married in 1984.
>> >>
>> >> His father's name is Shirley, mother was named Ethyl. The father
>> >> was born in Bar Harbor, and listed in the first edition of "Who's
>> >> Who in American Women".
>>
>> > Her father is in American Women? He must have been a Babe!
>>
>> His father. Shirley Povich.

> I still don't get how a father gets in American WOmen.

By accident. Because his name was Shirley. I don't know why his
name was Shirley, this is all very weird.

> And I still say he must have been a babe.

I have no insight into this.

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 2:43:19 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
> Not just verbs; many people think the plural of (computer) mouse is
> mouses. Interestingly, not pronounced like houses, but with an s
> rather than z sound.

Weird. I've only heard it with the z sound.

ET #3

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02003-03-26 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> ... instead of my test-message there is a blank line in my mailbox now
> -- the header and sender and date were there a moment ago.

Adam, that's a pretty damn shitty thing to do to someone
who has done nothing to hurt you. Typical of all of you
really....HUGZ

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tushar Samant
>Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:57 PM
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>
>02003-03-26 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
>> ... instead of my test-message there is a blank line in my
>mailbox now
>> -- the header and sender and date were there a moment ago.
>
>Adam, that's a pretty damn shitty thing to do to someone
>who has done nothing to hurt you. Typical of all of you
>really....HUGZ
>

Tushie,

You are pain in the ass and a  troublemaker. I doubt that Adam did anything.


Hugz and Bless your heart!



alec

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On Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 14:55, Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 2:43:19 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
> > Not just verbs; many people think the plural of (computer) mouse is
> > mouses. Interestingly, not pronounced like houses, but with an s
> > rather than z sound.
>
> Weird. I've only heard it with the z sound.

Um, I mean the first s. The second is a /z/.

Tony H.

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Karen:
> By accident. Because his name was Shirley.

It's my understanding that, until the heyday
of young Miss Temple, Shirley was considered
to be a man's name (there is a [male] state
rep here in LA named Shirley).

Did we go over this with Larry the K, or am
I remembering something else?

--
Richard                  brass flatlines
>
> > And I still say he must have been a babe.
>
> I have no insight into this.
>
> ET #3
>

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 3:00:04 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 14:55, Karen Kay wrote:
>> Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 2:43:19 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
>> > Not just verbs; many people think the plural of (computer) mouse is
>> > mouses. Interestingly, not pronounced like houses, but with an s
>> > rather than z sound.
>>
>> Weird. I've only heard it with the z sound.

> Um, I mean the first s. The second is a /z/.

Whew.:) I was having trouble producing it at all. Rhymes with
blouses, yes? (But why do we say houzez?)

Now I know why I never did English phonology. Japanese is
delightfully regular.

ET #3

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 3:03:01 PM, no straight, chaser wrote:
> Did we go over this with Larry the K, or am
> I remembering something else?

I don't remember doing it with Larry.

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>
> Now I know why I never did English phonology. Japanese is
> delightfully regular.
>
> ET #3

Must have something to do with the diet (and I don't mean to imply that it is
regulated by legislation).

BrP

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> >No, seriously. As it happens, I spent the bicentennial 4th of July
> >> >on the Kesey farm, and some of the original Pranksters were there.
> >> >I was living in Oregon at the time, and so I have a bit of exposure
> >> >to the atmosphere of the book.
> >>
> >> How clever of you!
>
> > ?
> > clo
>
> You seem to want some kind of approbation for having participated
> in this event, and that was the first thing that came to mind.

I didn't read it that way at all.  I thought it was an interesting
tidbit in the thread about the EKAT.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> I am delighed that Connie Chung is gone - I could not stand her show,
> could not even stand to look at her. Now maybe there will be news at that
> hour.

Excellent.  I've rarely watched her but have disliked her on those rare
occasions.  In fact, not all that long ago I sent her e-mail suggesting
that she get her facts straight before making erroneous snide remarks
about Mississippi.  Didn't get a reply.  Wonder where mail to her
website really goes.  Maybe I should feel important and think my mail
went to some official and helped in dumping her.

Who was it she was interviewing a while back in a major story -- as in
everybody knew it was to be Connie Chung to do this important
interview?  I indeed feel stupid for not even remembering who it was or
what it was about.  I do remember finding the questions she asked
mega-dumb and the ones she failed to ask amazing omissions.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> Could be why she thought I was doing BrP--I mean, doing a BrP...
>
> > I'd forgotten about that.  My memory of it was that you were talking
> > about lusting for a woman and wanting to touch some part of her other
> > than her arm.  So what did that mean?
>
> Not just 'a woman'. Susan Sarandon.

And she's a woman, right?

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> Who was it she was interviewing a while back in a major story

Gary Condit?

--
...musta been important at the time

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 3:22:46 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> >> Could be why she thought I was doing BrP--I mean, doing a BrP...
>>
>> > I'd forgotten about that.  My memory of it was that you were talking
>> > about lusting for a woman and wanting to touch some part of her other
>> > than her arm.  So what did that mean?
>>
>> Not just 'a woman'. Susan Sarandon.

> And she's a woman, right?

And a lot more.

ET #3

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> It seems the only source reporting this is Echo Radio in Moscow.  All other reports I
> find are quotes from that source.  I would not jump to believe it.  If she really is there
> and intends to be a human shield, I'm sure it will be big news reported widely.

She doesn't strike me as a "save the humans" type.  She did get fired,
didn't she, after her Jeb-helping tactics were revealed?

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alyce cresap wrote:

> She started asking stupid questions. She simpered. And, I forget the

Yes!  The simpering annoyed me also.

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In a message dated 3/26/2003 11:59:35 AM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< I did not know she was gone, but I am also glad. I could not stand her
either.

alyce
 >>

I have no idea who she is, because I've never seen her show. If you people
weren't constantly chained to your TVs, you'd be better off methinks. But
never mind what *I* think; I couldn't care less. Theo

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> News story with rebuttal from Cheney's spokesperson:
> <http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31707>.

Which daughter was it said to be?  I thought that first site said
Elizabeth (who apparently didn't get fired after all).  She's who I was
talking about not seeming the type.  I don't know anything about the
other daughter, except what I just read at the above site.

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On Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 15:04, Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 3:00:04 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 14:55, Karen Kay wrote:
> >> Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 2:43:19 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
> >> > Not just verbs; many people think the plural of (computer) mouse is
> >> > mouses. Interestingly, not pronounced like houses, but with an s
> >> > rather than z sound.
> >>
> >> Weird. I've only heard it with the z sound.
>
> > Um, I mean the first s. The second is a /z/.
>
> Whew.:) I was having trouble producing it at all. Rhymes with
> blouses, yes? (But why do we say houzez?)

Oh, oh. You say blouses doesn't rhyme with houses? Um, does blouse
rhyme with house? Next thing you'll be telling me shone sounds the
same as shown...

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At 01:09 PM 3/26/2003 -0500, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>In a message dated 3/26/2003 8:06:55 AM, plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:
>
><< If you love her, it is your place.
>  >>
>
>I know my children love me, but it would irritate me to no end if they bugged
>me about my smoking. Not that there's much chance for that, because 2 of them
>smoke themselves, and I love them with everything that's in me, and I
>wouldn't dream of bugging them! So get on my ass, all you perfect
>non-smokers, I don't care. Theo

Bless your heart.

BB

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Theodora Groothof
>Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:31 PM
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>
>In a message dated 3/26/2003 11:59:35 AM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:
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><< I did not know she was gone, but I am also glad. I could
>not stand her
>either.
>
>alyce
> >>
>
>I have no idea who she is, because I've never seen her show.
>If you people
>weren't constantly chained to your TVs, you'd be better off
>methinks. But
>never mind what *I* think; I couldn't care less. Theo
>

Ouch!








alec

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Married in 1984.
>
> His father's name is Shirley, mother was named Ethyl. The father
> was born in Bar Harbor, and listed in the first edition of "Who's
> Who in American Women".

His father is female?

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> http://www.cyberglass.co.uk/assets/Flash/psychic.swf

Didn't we do this one just a couple of weeks ago?

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alyce cresap wrote:
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> http://www.emailbliss.com/files/Pictures/slideshow/images/HotDog1.jpg
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> Natalie: humor--great dog picture

Indeed it is.  Thanks!

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Theodora Groothof wrote:

>I know my children love me, but it would irritate me to no end if they bugged

How many are irritated no end by people who say "to no end"?

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Whew.:) I was having trouble producing it at all. Rhymes with
> blouses, yes? (But why do we say houzez?)

What rhymes with blouses?  Mouses doesn't for me.  But houses does
(rhyme with blouses).  Mouses is [sIz] for me; blouses and houses are
both [zIz].

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 3:31:49 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:

> On Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 15:04, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 3:00:04 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 14:55, Karen Kay wrote:
>> >> Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 2:43:19 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
>> >> > Not just verbs; many people think the plural of (computer) mouse is
>> >> > mouses. Interestingly, not pronounced like houses, but with an s
>> >> > rather than z sound.
>> >>
>> >> Weird. I've only heard it with the z sound.
>>
>> > Um, I mean the first s. The second is a /z/.
>>
>> Whew.:) I was having trouble producing it at all. Rhymes with
>> blouses, yes? (But why do we say houzez?)

> Oh, oh. You say blouses doesn't rhyme with houses? Um, does blouse
> rhyme with house? Next thing you'll be telling me shone sounds the
> same as shown...

LOL.

Some people say blouzez and houzes, but I say blousez. I say both
housez and houzez.

As for shone, how 1991 of you!

ET #3

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 3:33:18 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> Married in 1984.
>>
>> His father's name is Shirley, mother was named Ethyl. The father
>> was born in Bar Harbor, and listed in the first edition of "Who's
>> Who in American Women".

> His father is female?

Yes, the truth is out! Maury Povitch is the son of lesbians.

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Richard writes,

>It's my understanding that, until the heyday of young Miss Temple, Shirley
>was considered to be a man's name (there is a [male] state rep here in LA
>named Shirley).

Miss Temple may have brought it into the mainstream, but it was apparently
Charlotte Bronte's book _Shirley_ (1849) that started it.

Thanks to the wonder of Google and freely accessible etexts, I can quote
from the book:

"Shirley Keeldar (she had no Christian name but Shirley: her parents, who
had wished to have a son, finding that, after eight years of marriage,
Providence had granted them only a daughter, bestowed on her the same
masculine family cognomen they would have bestowed on a boy, if with a boy
they had been blessed)...."

and

"'I have been obliged to see him: there was business to transact. Business!
Really the word makes me conscious I am indeed no longer a girl, but quite
a woman and something more. I am an esquire! Shirley Keeldar, Esquire,
ought to be my style and title. They gave me a man's name; I hold a man's
position: it is enough to inspire me with a touch of manhood, and when I
see such people as that stately Anglo-Belgian - that Gérard Moore before
me, gravely talking to me of business, really I feel quite gentleman-like.
You must choose me for your churchwarden, Mr. Helstone, the next time you
elect new ones: they ought to make me a magistrate and a captain of
yeomanry Tony Lumpkin's mother was a colonel, and his aunt a justice of the
peace - why shouldn't I be?'"

etc.

Pete

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:
>
> > Who was it she was interviewing a while back in a major story
>
> Gary Condit?

It's really dumb that I can't remember since I remember my reaction to
CC very well.  Seems to me that it was somebody more <important> than
Gary Condit, but maybe not.  I do remember that it was a hyped exclusive
interview and that I kept wondering while watching it why this simpering
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Tony Harminc wrote:

> Oh, oh. You say blouses doesn't rhyme with houses? Um, does blouse
> rhyme with house?

Blouse rhymes with the verb house for me but not with the noun house.

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In a message dated 3/26/2003 2:33:13 PM, bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<<
Bless your heart.

BB
 >>

Thanks, and btw my heartbeat is perfect, so is my bloodpressure, my lungs are
clear too. I'm not endorsing smoking, mind you, just telling my side. Theo

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02003-03-26 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> >-----Original Message-----
> >I have no idea who she is, because I've never seen her show.
> >If you people weren't constantly chained to your TVs, you'd
> >be better off methinks. But never mind what *I* think; I
> >couldn't care less. Theo
>
> Ouch!

I know. It should be "I could care less".

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02003-03-26 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> Thanks, and btw my heartbeat is perfect, so is my bloodpressure,
> my lungs are clear too. I'm not endorsing smoking, mind you, just
> telling my side. Theo

When was this about your heartbeat? The point was about offending
others, I think ... if you weren't constantly chained to your
cigarettes maybe you'd see the point. But probably not...

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02003-03-26 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> >was considered to be a man's name (there is a [male] state rep here in LA
> >named Shirley).
>
> Miss Temple may have brought it into the mainstream,

Must have. I have 7000 pop sociologists signing a petition saying so.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-26 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> > >was considered to be a man's name (there is a [male] state rep here in LA
> > >named Shirley).
> >
> > Miss Temple may have brought it into the mainstream,
>
> Must have. I have 7000 pop sociologists signing a petition saying so.

Ask Elvis.
clo

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At Bonnie's request I have lifted the veil.
apologies for not getting it out sooner - I frankly forgot it
was sitting in my drafts.
mea culpa -
clo
<not> Shoshana

bonniev wrote:

> Well done.  I read every word.   You could have lifted the veil a bit more,
> though:
>
> >Like all good romance writers, I am tempted to draw a veil
> >across the actual encounter. Terry arrived with Edward in hand;
> >clo
>
>     --bonniev

Terry arrived with Edward in hand; in spite of having recently
awoken from a nap, he was polite and well behaved. His preferred
method of communication seems to be his right index finger.
Luckily the Brick Alley is one of those places that sticks up
oddments all over, and some of them were pretty odd, let me
tell ya! - sorry, channeling Groucho again - ahem - so whenever
a lull in the conversation threatened to become embarrassing,
Edward leapt into the breach and pointed at a toy car, stuffed
animal head, or some undetermined area of the room from which
we were free to choose a referent.

I had been the first to arrive, and had daringly ordered a plate of
nori rolls, which appeared to be the only unfried appetizer available.
Terry eyed them doubtfully, I thought, but Edward seemed to find
them intriguing, even (eventually) permitting Terry to feed him a
bit of the rice from the outside. The wasabi paste was <excellent>,
which is to say so fresh and hot that it burned both up into my
nostrils and down into my esophagus at the same time, and I
would have spit it out and run to the bathroom to wipe my
streaming eyes and cough had I not been so anxious to make a
good impression.

The conversation was pretty low-key, confined primarily to
childraising, naming practices, and History of Words-L 101.
We had fun, and I was amazed that someone as youthful and
serene as she could have survived '91.  I can't wait to meet more
wordsl-ers if you are all like her.

clo

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Look at the joy and appreciation of the eyes of these Iraqi women
welcoming their saviors:

http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2003/03/25/iraq/photoessay545909_0_4_photo.shtml

--
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>
> P.S. I do not assign all of the blame to the poor secondary school
teachers.
> How many homes have you been in over the years where there is not a
book
> in sight? The parents are well educated and have good incomes, but
they
> never get their kids involved with reading in the home. However, there
> is no problem with getting them to soccer practice, dancing classes,
etc.
> ===================
>
> cwv


I see this too.  It is sad.  Not only would good
reading skills help them with just about everything
their whole life, but the person who loves to read
will never really be lonely.  Nor be impatient
when they are asked to wait (good time to read).
Etc. etc.  Some of the sports, if not all of them,
are not something they do all their life.  I know
few people who are still doing ballet as adults.
None who are doing tap dance. Etc. etc.

And reading is the cheapest activity I know,
bar none!

           - D. M.

                     - D. M.

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> "I just had an expensive book rebinded and I must say, the results
were
> far beyond my expectations.  The original cloth boards were just too
> ragged to save so I had
> the book bound (binded?) in full dark blue leather ..."
> --
> alyce


Bound if I know.

    - D. M.

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If Quakers were celibate, I wouldn't be here right now.

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Amy Burns Short <amy.short@MURRAYSTATE.EDU>
Date: Monday, March 24, 2003 9:54 pm
Subject: Re: OK, I'm back

> >  You know that Quakers are celibate, right?
>
> Certainly not.
>
> You are obviously thinking of the Fakers.
>
> AS
>

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>  So get on my ass, all you perfect
> non-smokers, I don't care. Theo
>

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 So get on my ass, all you perfect
> non-smokers, I don't care. Theo

A message just got away from me, I think.

What I wanted to say is that I never do
that, Theo.  I was a dedicated hopelessly
addicted smoker at one time, so there is
nothing perfect about me.  I don't smoke
anymore but I don't criticize those who do,
because I know how it is with them and
how I felt when I was there.

                            - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

>   Nor be impatient
> when they are asked to wait (good time to read).

I've found myself at times actually sorry when I had to leave a waiting
room because it meant having to quit reading whatever I was reading.
That's one reason I couldn't be one of these small-pursed people.  I
have to have a purse large enough to accommodate at least one book since
you never know when you might be stuck waiting somewhere and want a
book.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 02:54 PM 3/26/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:

>By accident. Because his name was Shirley. I don't know why his
>name was Shirley, this is all very weird.
>
> > And I still say he must have been a babe.
>
>I have no insight into this.

Among other things, he was a well-regarded sportswriter for, I believe, the
Washington Post.

cwv

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At 05:12 PM 3/26/2003 -0500, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>Ask Elvis.

#$&% Elvis.

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> By accident. Because his name was Shirley.

Shirley is a man's name, esp. in the UK.

alyce

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 4:34:46 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> Nor be impatient when they are asked to wait (good time to
> read).

Books on MP3!

> I know few people who are still doing ballet as adults. None
> who are doing tap dance. Etc. etc.

Dare I mention the P word?

> And reading is the cheapest activity I know,
> bar none!

What does this mean? Don't you pay for reading material?

ET #3

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alyce cresap wrote:
> > > >I have no idea who she is, because I've never seen her show.
> > > >If you people weren't constantly chained to your TVs, you'd
> > > >be better off methinks. But never mind what *I* think; I
> > > >couldn't care less. Theo
>
> But Natalie knows who she is. ARe you trying to wrest the mutant title
> from her?

No, she is trying to help us.  Or I guess I should say y'all since I
don't think anybody could accuse me of being chained to a TV, though I
do have one and do sometimes turn it on.  Anyway, she was trying to give
you helpful advice so that you can grow up and be more like her.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> > She doesn't strike me as a "save the humans" type.  She did get fired,
> > didn't she, after her Jeb-helping tactics were revealed?
>
> No. She has a big-time government job. Near East something or other
> advisor.

That's the one I thought she had gotten fired from when the Jeb scandal
surfaced, but I'm wrong.  She's still Deputy Whatever.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > And reading is the cheapest activity I know,
> > bar none!
>
> What does this mean? Don't you pay for reading material?

Library use is free most places, isn't it?

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> Monday, March 24, 2003, 9:26:26 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > Brody. He has the perfect Modigliani face.
>
> Yeah, but he should never make babies with Almodovar's woman with
> the Picasso face; I can't remember her name.

You must be talking about Rossy de Palma. The gazpacho drinker.

Marie

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> At 02:54 PM 3/26/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >By accident. Because his name was Shirley. I don't know why his
> >name was Shirley, this is all very weird.
> >
> > > And I still say he must have been a babe.
> >
> >I have no insight into this.
>
> Among other things, he was a well-regarded sportswriter for, I
believe, the
> Washington Post.
>
> cwv

Beverly is also a masculine name
sometimes.

          - D. M.

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 5:39:47 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > And reading is the cheapest activity I know,
>> > bar none!
>>
>> What does this mean? Don't you pay for reading material?

> Library use is free most places, isn't it?

Yes, but there are still costs involved. Like shoe leather or
gas...

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 5:39:59 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:

>> Monday, March 24, 2003, 9:26:26 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>> > Brody. He has the perfect Modigliani face.
>>
>> Yeah, but he should never make babies with Almodovar's woman with
>> the Picasso face; I can't remember her name.

> You must be talking about Rossy de Palma. The gazpacho drinker.

YES!!!!!!!

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This suggests that it's his other daughter, not Elizabeth:

http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/114497.php

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 5:44:56 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> Beverly is also a masculine name
> sometimes.

I have an Uncle Bev. But I think it's Beverley.

ET #3

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> Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 4:34:46 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> > Nor be impatient when they are asked to wait (good time to
> > read).
>
> Books on MP3!
>
> > I know few people who are still doing ballet as adults. None
> > who are doing tap dance. Etc. etc.
>
> Dare I mention the P word?

Sure, but it doesn't count in this discussion.
Know anyone who did P in grade school?
>
> > And reading is the cheapest activity I know,
> > bar none!
>
> What does this mean? Don't you pay for reading material?

You don't have to.  Free at the library.

               - D. M.
>
> ET #3
>

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> >> His father's name is Shirley, mother was named Ethyl. The father
> >> was born in Bar Harbor, and listed in the first edition of "Who's
> >> Who in American Women".
>
> > His father is female?
>
>Yes, the truth is out! Maury Povitch is the son of lesbians.
>ET #3

Rich lesbians whose families evidently summer in Bar Harbor.  Other famous
people have been born here just because Mom's delivery date was between
July 4th and the 1st of September.  At least one of the Rockefellers was
born here because of that.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> She doesn't strike me as a "save the humans" type.  She did get fired,
> didn't she, after her Jeb-helping tactics were revealed?

No. She has a big-time government job. Near East something or other
advisor.

alyce
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


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> Karen:
>
> >Adrien what's-his-face who was there with his Mom. That *was*
> >wonderful.
>
> Brody. He has the perfect Modigliani face.

Circa 2000, *uc* and I were backstage at Central Park Summerstage chatting with the lovely Helena Christensen, when a flustered-frantic Adrien Brody (then recognizable from his role in Summer of Sam) approached and whisked her away to wherever it is that people like that go. I don't think that it qualifies me as an AB1 because he was sort of assholic and didn't quite register our presence.

Marie

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
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>
> Didn't we do this one just a couple of weeks ago?

Not I. But I could have missed it. I cannot keep up with mail.

alyce

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> 02003-03-26 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >I have no idea who she is, because I've never seen her show.
> > >If you people weren't constantly chained to your TVs, you'd
> > >be better off methinks. But never mind what *I* think; I
> > >couldn't care less. Theo

But Natalie knows who she is. ARe you trying to wrest the mutant title
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02003-03-26 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-25 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> > > > > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > >That local color is hurting my eyes ...
> > > > >
> > > > > This seems to be a trend with me.
> > > > > My house, my quotes,
> > > > > oh, where will it end?
> > > >
> > > > at the pot of gold?
> > >
> > > Is that a bar in Chicago? Cause if so, Tushar will have to introduce
> > > me to the bartender.
> >
> > I have already mentioned she paralyzes me.
>
> Then I think you need to work on getting over it, or I will be able
> to steal your drinks.

Wow, I am screwed

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02003-03-26 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > ET, with our bifurcated mother reading the same books at the
> > same stages.
>
> "our bifurcated mother"  OUR BIFURCATED MOTHER
>
> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Please restrain yourself, Dr Borkin.

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 5:53:05 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> Sure, but it doesn't count in this discussion.
> Know anyone who did P in grade school?

Pilates' daughter. And I know people who are doing it in grade
school now, as part of PE.

>> > And reading is the cheapest activity I know,
>> > bar none!
>>
>> What does this mean? Don't you pay for reading material?

> You don't have to.  Free at the library.

But so are many other activities. Believe me, I know all of them.

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 5:59:40 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-26 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 5:39:59 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> >> Monday, March 24, 2003, 9:26:26 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>>
>> >> > Brody. He has the perfect Modigliani face.
>> >>
>> >> Yeah, but he should never make babies with Almodovar's woman with
>> >> the Picasso face; I can't remember her name.
>>
>> > You must be talking about Rossy de Palma. The gazpacho drinker.
>>
>> YES!!!!!!!

> K-R-N,

> Please get some sleep. Out!

Funny you should say that. I took a two-hour nap this morning,
and I've been running around all day.

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02003-03-26 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 5:39:59 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> >> Monday, March 24, 2003, 9:26:26 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> >> > Brody. He has the perfect Modigliani face.
> >>
> >> Yeah, but he should never make babies with Almodovar's woman with
> >> the Picasso face; I can't remember her name.
>
> > You must be talking about Rossy de Palma. The gazpacho drinker.
>
> YES!!!!!!!

K-R-N,

Please get some sleep. Out!

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02003-03-26 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 5:59:40 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-26 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 5:39:59 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> >> >> Monday, March 24, 2003, 9:26:26 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >>
> >> >> > Brody. He has the perfect Modigliani face.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yeah, but he should never make babies with Almodovar's woman with
> >> >> the Picasso face; I can't remember her name.
> >>
> >> > You must be talking about Rossy de Palma. The gazpacho drinker.
> >>
> >> YES!!!!!!!
>
> > K-R-N,
>
> > Please get some sleep. Out!
>
> Funny you should say that. I took a two-hour nap this morning,
> and I've been running around all day.

What's funny about it? Anybody reading the list for a couple
of days can see it. Sheeze!

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So finally the new coffee shop made it--it managed to open. Always
nice to have a new business open, which is not Starbucks ... So I
thought, I'll get coffee at "Pause" sometime. Then I saw promotional
postcards in the mailroom and picked one up ... and it has a black
and white picture of some bygoine housewife type on a rotary phone,
and it says this:

  Phone Miriam at 9:00 about Ellen,
  Listen to Pearl's woes at 10:15,
  11:40 get the latest from Anita,
  Rose would call at noon to
  get the dish on Pearl,
  1:00 phone Ellen about Miriam ...

  Vivian was so scheduled!
  how was she going to
  make it through her busy day
  without taking a ...

  PAUSE
  "smell the coffee"

Or may I say, using a slightly different terminology:

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!! [tm]

Miriam ... Vivian ... jeezus ... I guess it captures some kind of
mood we are not privy to ... when I stopped to get a cup of coffee
I felt like an alien. It had a definite strain of GQ-y thingame, and
several gentlemen sitting around talking in a highly posh way making
you feel like an idiot, and I'm damned if I don't also see an Indian
kid--like, school age--clicking away at the net terminal (which, need-
less to say, the coffee shop came equipped with), and quite obviously
a 100% gayboi ... This day and age, we can only view society's terminal
dissolution, and seek solace in a cup of coffee--after all, we are so
*scheduled*!

You can see the point of it--among other -ifications, this neighbor-
hood has gayified[tm] so much more than it used to be. But the coffee-
shops? If they aren't only bloody Starbucks, they have been conferred
an intensely str8[tm] vibe ... and you can blame the Ethiopians. It's
funny--going by their, uh, highly casual, clothing, you would think
these Ethiopians have little interest in anything. But they love
their freakin coffee. Their outward appearance may often be of the
construction-worker or assistant-ringmaster variety, but they eat
fine food to the accompaniment of fine music, and then they need
their fine coffee. When Ethiopian brothers walk past a coffee shop
which is not Starbucks, it is a must that they step in, sit down and
talk BS for an hour or two over the day's 7th cup of coffee. So let
me say, I support "Pause", the gayest[tm] of all coffeeshops.

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The elevator news (formerly ENN - now Captivate) is reporting that
Halliburton has already been awarded some contracts for work in Iraq.

Tony H.

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 6:41:06 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
> The elevator news (formerly ENN - now Captivate) is reporting that
> Halliburton has already been awarded some contracts for work in Iraq.

I guess we know where Cheney's been...

ET #3

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Tushar:

> > >I didn't want to see them anyway, they probably suck anyway
> >
> > Translation: Tushar is insanely gelous.
>
>Who axed you?

This is Words-effing-L. I don't need to reason to butt in.

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> You are pain in the ass and a  troublemaker. I doubt that Adam
> did anything.

You can always count on me to do nothing! :)

Looks like Kristin's server is having fits or something. Kristin, if you
want to me to set you nomail, send me mail directly, and I shall do so.

--Adam
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02003-03-26 | Tony Harminc <tony@HARMINC.COM> writes:
> The elevator news (formerly ENN - now Captivate) is reporting that
> Halliburton has already been awarded some contracts for work in Iraq.

I don't know why people have to be so conspiracy-minded. When oil
fields are burning and pipelines are haemorrhaging, what do you
propose we wait for, a freakin UN resolution? Just put the most
capable men on the job.

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02003-03-27 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>
> >> >I didn't want to see them anyway, they probably suck anyway
> >>
> >> Translation: Tushar is insanely gelous.
> >
> >Who axed you?
>
> This is Words-effing-L. I don't need to reason to butt in.

Lame excuse accepted

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Richard:
> >>Not if Rumsfeld has his way.
> > ?? I'm sure he'd like a swift end to the war

>furrfu, ms. murthi.

>You haven't been listening, have you?

>Else you'd have learned here that the
>Bush Kabal is a gang of bloodthirsty,
>psychopathic bandits.  The longer it
>goes, the more work the Extermination
>Brigades can put in.

No, no, the *diabolical* reason for Rumsfeld to favor a swift
end to the war is so he can replicate the lite, flexible
approach in North Korea, Iran etc. etc. If Baghdad gets messy
he'll have a hard(er) time convincing pesky skeptics next time
around.

IOW he has lots of "I told you so's" riding on Iraq.

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 6:41:29 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> So finally the new coffee shop made it--it managed to open. Always
> nice to have a new business open, which is not Starbucks ... So I
> thought, I'll get coffee at "Pause" sometime. Then I saw promotional
> postcards in the mailroom and picked one up ...

Is this near work or near home?

ET #3

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Mom already knows that I wish she would not smoke; she has
tried to stop but has restarted.  I've told her that I will not buy
her cigarettes.

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--On Wednesday, March 26, 2003 5:18 PM -0500 Carolyn Ostrander
<clostran@SYR.EDU> wrote:

clo:  very nice write up.

As you can see from her write ups, she has wonderful stories, they just
happen.

I must say she weathered the wasabi excellently.  Edward must of
conveniently distracted me allowing her to compose herself, she didn't miss
a beat. We did not order the habanaro wings.

 Edward tried to create special flavored coffees for clo and almost
succeeded a few times.  His best - melon cafe.  Tushar, I think you need to
come to Acadiafest.

I did my best to encourage her to join us this summer and I really hope she
makes it.  As for setting you all up, sorry I'm not! :-)

Terry

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 7:24:33 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Mom already knows that I wish she would not smoke; she has
> tried to stop but has restarted.  I've told her that I will not buy
> her cigarettes.

Good. That may be the most you can do.

ET #3

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- - Iraqis receiving UNO food that just arrived
and shouting " Praise Sadaam . . Sadaam brings
us food!"

                         - D. M.

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West Coast fans, be sure to watch tonight.  It was a great episode.  Really
fun.  Lots of laughs and good times!   Maybe the best episode ever.


    --bonniev

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> West Coast fans, be sure to watch tonight.  It was a great
> episode.  Really fun.  Lots of laughs and good times!   Maybe the best
episode ever.
>
>
>     --bonniev

Hmm. My Universal Bonnie Translator interprets this as "It sucked."

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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>
> Hmm. My Universal Bonnie Translator interprets this as "It sucked."
>
> --Adam

Just curious.  Did you get that thing by
sending in a cereal boxtop?

           - D. M.

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> > West Coast fans, be sure to watch tonight.  It was a great
> > episode.  Really fun.  Lots of laughs and good times!   Maybe the best
> > episode ever.     --bonniev
>
>Hmm. My Universal Bonnie Translator interprets this as "It sucked."
>--Adam

You're wrong this time.  I'm quite sincere.  I laughed out loud a couple of
times.  I've never seen someone voted off with such glee.  And the poor sap
was clueless as to what was happening.


    --bonniev

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In a message dated 3/26/2003 3:09:03 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<< When was this about your heartbeat? The point was about offending
others, I think ... if you weren't constantly chained to your
cigarettes maybe you'd see the point. But probably not...
 >>

Well, you thought wrong. The point was a health issue, but I doubt you want
to see the point. Theo

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> Just curious.  Did you get that thing by
> sending in a cereal boxtop?

Maybe that kind would have worked better. This one I got from (choose one):

1.) An ad on a matchbook cover
2.) From an ad in the back of
a.) _Rolling Stone_
b.) _Soldier of Fortune_
3.) Visiting missionaries from the LDS church
4.) The Lillian Vernon/Sharper Image catalog.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> Look at the joy and appreciation of the eyes of these Iraqi women
> welcoming their saviors:
>
>
http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2003/03/25/iraq/photoessay545909_0_4_pho
to.shtml
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

They are understandably confused, considering
what they've been told.

See my earlier post on who they thanked for
the food.

                       - D. M.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> West Coast fans, be sure to watch tonight.  It was a great episode.  Really
> fun.  Lots of laughs and good times!   Maybe the best episode ever.

Oh dear.  I do have the tape, but I bet y'all are going to be talking
about it before I get a chance to watch it.  I just got home from the
dinner with Rosalynn Carter's Press Secretary.  And I've gotta go out
tomorrow night also.  It may be Friday night before I get a chance to
watch my Survivor tape.

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In a message dated 3/26/2003 3:37:18 PM, dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

<< What I wanted to say is that I never do

that, Theo.  I was a dedicated hopelessly

addicted smoker at one time, so there is

nothing perfect about me.  I don't smoke

anymore but I don't criticize those who do,

because I know how it is with them and

how I felt when I was there.

 >>

Bless your hear Doris. I realize not all of them do, but many. I honestly
tried to quit with the patch, but it just didn't work for me. I don't believe
it's the nicotine, just that it provides some sort of comfort. I guess it can
be compared to infants that suck their thumb. Some even keep it up for years,
but that's one thing I never did. And I didn't start smoking until I was over
21 years of age either. Mystery? I guess so.
Theo

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Look at the joy and appreciation of the eyes of these Iraqi women
> > welcoming their saviors:
> >
> http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2003/03/25/iraq/photoessay545909_0_4_pho
> to.shtml
> They are understandably confused, considering
> what they've been told.

I didn't think they looked confused.  I thought they looked like women
whose country was being attacked.

> See my earlier post on who they thanked for
> the food.

I don't see those as similar situations.  Getting food is different from
getting attacked.

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In a message dated 3/26/2003 4:37:46 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< No, she is trying to help us.  Or I guess I should say y'all since I
don't think anybody could accuse me of being chained to a TV, though I
do have one and do sometimes turn it on.  Anyway, she was trying to give
you helpful advice so that you can grow up and be more like her.
 >>

Goddess forbid everyone would be more like me. I doubt the world could stand
that many like me! ;-} But if that was a compliment, I thank you. Theo

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Theodora Groothof wrote:

>tried to quit with the patch, but it just didn't work for me. I don't believe
>it's the nicotine, just that it provides some sort of comfort. I guess it can
>be compared to infants that suck their thumb. Some even keep it up for years,
>but that's one thing I never did. And I didn't start smoking until I was over
>21 years of age either. Mystery? I guess so.

Of course it's the nicotine. You are chemically addicted. There's
no mystery!

Bethany

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In a message dated 3/26/2003 7:10:59 PM, adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<< Hmm. My Universal Bonnie Translator interprets this as "It sucked."

--Adam
 >>

LOL  Theo

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> On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> >tried to quit with the patch, but it just didn't work for me. I don't
believe
> >it's the nicotine, just that it provides some sort of comfort. I
guess it can
> >be compared to infants that suck their thumb. Some even keep it up
for years,
> >but that's one thing I never did. And I didn't start smoking until I
was over
> >21 years of age either. Mystery? I guess so.
>
> Of course it's the nicotine. You are chemically addicted. There's
> no mystery!
>
> Bethany

That's true, no question.  But she is also caught in the
habit patterns associated with her smoking.  The patch
alone cannot address this factor.  That's why it works
for few people.  In order to quit I've found we need to
deal with more than just the physical factor.

               - D. M.

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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:14:02 -0500
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--On Wednesday, March 26, 2003 9:03 PM -0600 Doris Markland
<dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> wrote:

> In order to quit I've found we need to
> deal with more than just the physical factor.
>
>                - D. M.

Physical, psychological, and social....just like other drug addictions,
i.e. alcohol.  I understand there is a certain sequence to these, and at
different points along the way, sheer will and the patch can work.

It is nice that finally many medical arenas are trying to treat a person as
an entity instead of just patching symptoms.

Terry

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>That's true, no question.  But she is also caught in the
>habit patterns associated with her smoking.  The patch
>alone cannot address this factor.  That's why it works
>for few people.  In order to quit I've found we need to
>deal with more than just the physical factor.

Right - addicts struggling to overcome addiciton must deal with the
whole situation.

Bethany

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>===== Original Message From English Language Discussion Group
<WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> =====
>On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
>>That's true, no question.  But she is also caught in the
>>habit patterns associated with her smoking.  The patch
>>alone cannot address this factor.  That's why it works
>>for few people.  In order to quit I've found we need to
>>deal with more than just the physical factor.
>
>Right - addicts struggling to overcome addiciton must deal with the
>whole situation.
>
>Bethany

Are you calling Theo an addict?  Sounds inflammatory.

Betty

Betty

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In a message dated 3/26/2003 8:45:53 PM, bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<< Are you calling Theo an addict?  Sounds inflammatory.

 >>

I don't mind, Betty. She's probably right. I may not like it, but the truth
always hurt, I was told, and as long as it doesn't affect my health I've
given up trying. I've got enough other problems to look for more. One thing
strikes me as funny. My youngest doesn't like the smell of smoke in her
house. She goes outside, when she wants to smoke, but she does it all the
time in MY house! Oh well, I don't mind, so why complain? Theo

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I sent message to the listserv to get mail again and I hope it'll work.
Meanwhile I started reading the archive:

Adam:

> > You are pain in the ass and a  troublemaker. I doubt that Adam
>                       > did anything.
>
>                       You can always count on me to do nothing! :)
>
>                       Looks like Kristin's server is having fits or
> something. Kristin, if you
>                       want to me to set you nomail, send me mail
> directly, and I shall do so.

Thank you, Adam. Outgoing mail seemed to work all right yesterday, too.

I guess it might be a trouble of our local server in the office -- for how
else could I have got some messages that I had deleted in the main server
via Internet? I restarted it yesterday before going home but had no time
to see how it worked.

All my set-words-l-(no)mail-messages went to the listserv as they had to
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soon a new session of wordslers begins. At this very time of a day there
is usually silence.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
> I hope it'll be all right when
> soon a new session of wordslers begins. At this very time of a day there
> is usually silence.

Good morning, Kristin.  This is the opening gavel of a new session.  Let
us hope for The Perfect Thursday.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > I hope it'll be all right when
> > soon a new session of wordslers begins. At this very time of a day there
> > is usually silence.
>
> Good morning, Kristin.  This is the opening gavel of a new session.  Let
> us hope for The Perfect Thursday.

Good morning, Natalie! :-) I did not expect the beginning so early. My, it is
5.25 where you live!

Kristin

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14:47 25.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>I think this particular piece has particular poignancy for academics.
>
>ET #3
>
>Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 2:41:12 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
>> More from Doug:
>
>> DEAD HORSES

This reminds me of an old (Brezhnev-area) Soviet-joke:

A train comes to a stop because the line ends. In Lenin's time the passengers would have been commanded out to pick up rails behind the train and lay them out in front so that the train could continue. Under Stalin the conductor and other train staff would have been shot. Now (see above) the nearest military compnay would have been ordered out to shake the train so that the passengers would believe that it was moving.

Espen

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15:18 25.03.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:12:45 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> More seriously, it is kind of <interesting> (Tushar, that's your cue
>> to take a nap) that people tend to assume that the whole world is
>> like their particular corner of it. Back <when>, we figured every-
>> body was living life like we were, except of course, some of the
>> stodgier parents. Come to find out, of course - the market for
>> pharmaceuticals was not as robust as we thought it was.
>
>Well, for one thing, the age of my book group goes from 29 to
>80+, and there are only about 10 people in it. About half the
>group is over 60.

So are, I believe, most members of the Rolling Stones.

Espen

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Good morning, Natalie! :-) I did not expect the beginning so early. My, it is
> 5.25 where you live!

That's not early for me.  I had already been up taking care of mail on
Ra and doing various things.  Tis my favorite time of day.

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And good morning, Espen.

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This article was just rendered on a page of online news in Estonian:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34762-2003Mar26.html

Anti-Hussein Officials Rebuke Unilateral U.S. Battle Strategy

"The opposition groups -- loosely allied Kurdish, Shiite
                   Muslim and secular organizations -- have long
insisted that
                   most Iraqis look forward to the ouster of President
Saddam
                   Hussein and his security-heavy Baath Party
government. But
                   they have expressed irritation that, in their view,
the Bush
                   administration has made little effort to include
Iraqis in
                   military or political strategy."

"There is a difference between a war of liberation and a war
                   of conquest. Liberation means Iraqis are at the
forefront..."

Understandable, though I also understand the war could not get started
the way they would have wanted.

Kristin

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Espen Ore wrote:

> This reminds me of an old (Brezhnev-area) Soviet-joke:
>
>  Now (see above) the nearest military compnay would have been ordered out to shake the train so that the passengers would believe that it was moving.

lol. I remember it. (O tempora...)

Kristin

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18:01 25.03.2003 -0500 skrev clyde w. voigtlander:
>At 03:16 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 3:06:31 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>>> At 02:47 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>>>I think this particular piece has particular poignancy for academics.
>>
>>> Never worked in a bureaucracy, eh?
>>
>>Universities are bureaucracies, aren't they?
>
>Well, generally, they don't admit it.

The bureaucracy *is* the university ...

Espen

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I haven't looked at the Baghdad webcam lately, but it's interesting this
morning in that it's daylight (I've usually looked at it when it's night
there) and there are a group of studentish-looking people sitting on a
ledge and talking.
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/home/main100.shtml
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> > Good morning, Kristin.  This is the opening gavel of a new session.  Let
> > us hope for The Perfect Thursday.
>
>Good morning, Natalie! :-) I did not expect the beginning so early. My, it is
>5.25 where you live!
>Kristin

And 6:47 where I live.  Good morning Kristin and Natalie.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > 5.25 where you live!
>
> That's not early for me.  I had already been up taking care of mail on
> Ra and doing various things.  Tis my favorite time of day.

Yes, I remember this from your earlier postings. Always brisk in the morning.

Btw, I saw the first butterfly today. Poor beast, though it doesn't know it itself.
Was flying over the border of muddy lawn and an icy field.

Kristin

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17:10 25.03.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>bonniev wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You should have taken off the nicotine patch before you went in there.  How
>>>high was it?
>>
>>No nicotine patch.  It was 107.  Usually it's in the 70s.  She said my
>>blood pressure was fine, but out of curiosity I asked her what it was,
>>and it was way, way higher than it usually is.  Usually the top number
>>is just barely over 100 -- something like 105 or 110.  Can't remember
>>what the bottom number usually is.  Something like 60?  Anyway, she said
>>it was 149 over something.  That's totally amazing.  Am I about to
>>explode or something?
>
>
>       Of course not.  Mine was 133/90 today, and I'm on a
>fabulously expensive cocktail of BP drugs.  I hardly feel it
>unless I'm up around 170/100 somewhere.  In labor with Ana,
>I was 200/200.  I have yet to explode.

The last time I checked, my BP drugs, acupuncture and changes in life style all together brought me to something like 120/80. I was at something like 160/105 before I started this series of treatments. This reminds me of my father in law who had his blood tested for cholesterol after two weeks in northern Norway which he had spent mainly with Saami-people and almost every day the main meal was reindeer meet, reindeer broth and extracted reindeer bone marrow.

Espen

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Espen Ore wrote:

> The last time I checked, my BP drugs, acupuncture and changes in life style all together brought me to something like 120/80. I was at something like 160/105 before I started this series of treatments.

Fine.

> This reminds me of my father in law who had his blood tested for cholesterol after two weeks in northern Norway which he had spent mainly with Saami-people and almost every day the main meal was reindeer meet, reindeer broth and extracted reindeer bone marrow.

Yebbut... Now I wonder whether this reindeer diet did him good or the other way round? It may be both ways, may it not?

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bonniev wrote:

> And 6:47 where I live.  Good morning Kristin and Natalie.

Good morning! I guess Natalie may have her brunch already :)

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

>                    they have expressed irritation that, in their view,
> the Bush
>                    administration has made little effort to include
> Iraqis in
>                    military or political strategy."

Well, cbs LiveWebCast is just showing a briefing where also Free Iraqi
Forces (I guess the man there used that name) are discussed.

Kristin

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On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Espen Ore wrote:

>>>Universities are bureaucracies, aren't they?
>>
>>Well, generally, they don't admit it.
>
>The bureaucracy *is* the university ...

Actually, the bureaucracy is busy replacing the univerity,

Bethany

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05:41 27.03.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>And good morning, Espen.

And to you, Natalie.

Espen

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Good morning! I guess Natalie may have her brunch already :)

Not quite yet, though I'm about to go downstairs and get a coke.  (I've
been in my office for a good while now, supposedly grading papers but
actually finding every way in the world to avoid it.  One pleasant
thought about really retiring will be NO MORE PAPERS.)

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At 07:17 AM 3/27/2003 -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>Actually, the bureaucracy is busy replacing the univerity,

[presuming that univerity = university]

Actually, that happened a long time ago.

cwv

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Well, cbs LiveWebCast is just showing a briefing where also Free Iraqi
> Forces (I guess the man there used that name) are discussed.

It moves away from the street scene in Baghdad to go to various meetings
when they occur.  But then it goes back to the street scene.

I think I mentioned earlier that in my admittedly very limited tv
viewing I prefer CBS news to CNN.  I've concluded that I also prefer
cbsnews.com to cnn.com.

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13:53 27.03.2003 +0200 skrev Kristin Sarv:
>Espen Ore wrote:
>
>> The last time I checked, my BP drugs, acupuncture and changes in life style all together brought me to something like 120/80. I was at something like 160/105 before I started this series of treatments.
>
>Fine.
>
>> This reminds me of my father in law who had his blood tested for cholesterol after two weeks in northern Norway which he had spent mainly with Saami-people and almost every day the main meal was reindeer meet, reindeer broth and extracted reindeer bone marrow.
>
>Yebbut... Now I wonder whether this reindeer diet did him good or the other way round? It may be both ways, may it not?

It may have done him good but his cholesterol level was way up above the ceiling.

Espen

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Why is this maddening?  If you were in that situation and all you had heard for the last
40 or so years was that Sadaam was responsible for providing you with everything
wouldn't you be shouting the same thing?  If our humanitarian aid is really humanitarian,
then it shouldn't matter who gets the credit as long as people get fed.

BrP





> - - Iraqis receiving UNO food that just arrived
> and shouting " Praise Sadaam . . Sadaam brings
> us food!"
>
>                          - D. M.

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At 01:28 PM 3/25/2003 -0800, you wrote:

>>The best way for me to describe Tina is to say she's a hot fucking shit. I
>>guess this is why I found it interesting when Bonnie said I posted
>>protective of her.
>
>Does she mind being described in those terms? I can hardly wait to meet her
>at breakfast at the Hearthside.
>
>Betty

I told Tina what I said and her response was, "that's right". She then
switched and swayed her way out of the room.

Tina is fun, as long as you don't mind chatter in the morning, you'll like
her. If you want a nice quiet breakfast, devoid of conversation, I suggest
you avoid us. Helpful hint, we're up around 8:30 on vacation days.

lisa

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At 03:35 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, you wrote:

>        LOL.    One of my freshmen, who maintains a C/D in my class,
>read _Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maint._ for his
>independent novel.  He came in after school a few times to
>ask me some questions, and did quite well with it.  He
>commented that he had to stop after each chapter and think
>about it for a little while before going on.  I told him I
>had to do the same thing.  His mother and I were thrilled.
>Another of my students chose _Madame Bovary_ and loved it.
>Let's see, what other books did that class choose?  _Grapes
>of Wrath_, _Night_ trilogy, _The Sun Also Rises_, etc..
>They had two weeks to read.
>
>
>        There are study questions all over the web. I use them.

I read the first chapter of Zen.. I stopped to think about it and never
started back up again. I reminded me of _A Day in the Life of Ivan
Denisovich_ (I think I spelled the last name wrong but I don't feel like
looking it up at the moment). I never finished that book either and it was
a high school English assignment.

lisa

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At 05:12 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 5:10:25 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > We covered all of this in 1991. Move on!
>
>We were all cuter in 1991.
>
>Karen

Wrong. I'm much cuter now. Much, much, cuter.

lisa

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At 05:16 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>02003-03-25 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 5:10:25 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > We covered all of this in 1991. Move on!
> >
> > We were all cuter in 1991.
>
>I think Lisa, Rita etc have gotten cuter but I may be wrong.

<excitement>

OH MY GOD I CANNOT BELIEVE IT.. I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE AGREED
WITH TUSHAR.

</end excitement>

lisa

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>I told Tina what I said and her response was, "that's right". She then
>switched and swayed her way out of the room.

I think you mean "swish".  She's already done her switch.

>Tina is fun, as long as you don't mind chatter in the morning, you'll like
>her. If you want a nice quiet breakfast, devoid of conversation, I suggest
>you avoid us. Helpful hint, we're up around 8:30 on vacation days.
>lisa

That's gives you time, Betty, to avoid chatty Queen LaTina.   Breakfast at
the Hearthside is from 8 until 9:30.


    --bonniev

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Kristin:
>Now I wonder whether this reindeer diet
>did him good or the other way round? It
>may be both ways, may it not?

Well, it didn't do the reindeer any good.

--
Richard      clad in black, don't look back

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Karen:
>>>And reading is the cheapest activity I know,
>> Library use is free most places, isn't it?
> Yes, but there are still costs involved.

Doris never said was free, just cheap.

--
"The best things in life are..."

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Tony Harminc wrote:

> The elevator news (formerly ENN - now Captivate) is reporting that
> Halliburton has already been awarded some contracts for work in Iraq.

    I know what you mean.  When it comes to rebuilding infrastructure on
a nation-wide level why turn to a multi-national corporation with the
capability and resources to do the job when Earl down at Billy Ray's
Plumbing and Outboard Repair is free most afternoons and has a truck that
mostly runs?

JMW

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 01:28 PM 3/25/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>
>>> The best way for me to describe Tina is to say she's a hot fucking
>>> shit. I
>>> guess this is why I found it interesting when Bonnie said I posted
>>> protective of her.
>>
>>
>> Does she mind being described in those terms? I can hardly wait to
>> meet her
>> at breakfast at the Hearthside.
>>
>> Betty
>
>
> I told Tina what I said and her response was, "that's right". She then
> switched and swayed her way out of the room.
>
> Tina is fun, as long as you don't mind chatter in the morning, you'll like
> her. If you want a nice quiet breakfast, devoid of conversation, I suggest
> you avoid us. Helpful hint, we're up around 8:30 on vacation days.
>


        As long as Queen LaTina is up for a little hell raising, she
can chat all she wants.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Natalie:
>That's the one I thought she had gotten
>fired from when the Jeb scandal surfaced

What is this Jeb scandal, and who got fired?

--
Richard      clad in black, don't look back

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Doris Markland wrote:

> - - Iraqis receiving UNO food that just arrived
> and shouting " Praise Sadaam . . Sadaam brings
> us food!"

    I saw that clip as well, but mine was accompanied with a voice-over
stating that the Iraqis weren't idiots they appeared, but had learned at
hard cost over the years the price of insufficient on-camera
enthusiasm...

JMW

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Thursday, March 27, 2003, 9:09:07 AM, no straight, chaser wrote:

> Karen:
>>>>And reading is the cheapest activity I know,
>>> Library use is free most places, isn't it?
>> Yes, but there are still costs involved.

> Doris never said was free, just cheap.

No, she said specifically that it was the cheapest activity she
knew. I still think that's odd. Going for a walk in the park is
cheaper. And if someone gives you a TV, like they did me,
watching TV is even cheaper.

ET #3

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-rashmi:
> No, no, the *diabolical* reason for Rumsfeld

Oooh, that's a good word.

> IOW he has lots of "I told you so's" riding on Iraq.

They never gave him any toys to play with
back when he was Sec o' Def the first time,
did they?

--
Richard      clad in black, don't look back

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On Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 18:41, Tushar Samant wrote:

> So finally the new coffee shop made it--it managed to open. Always
> nice to have a new business open, which is not Starbucks ... So I
> thought, I'll get coffee at "Pause" sometime. Then I saw promotional
> postcards in the mailroom and picked one up ... and it has a black
> and white picture of some bygoine housewife type on a rotary phone,
> and it says this:

In the mailroom? Where the hell do you work these days? And what were
you doing in the "mailroom"?

Tony H.

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Karen:
> watching TV is even cheaper.

Maybe where electricity is free.

--
Richard      clad in black, don't look back

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Thursday, March 27, 2003, 9:24:15 AM, no straight, chaser wrote:
> Karen:
>> watching TV is even cheaper.

> Maybe where electricity is free.

It takes a car (and all that entails) or a bike to get to the
library. Walking requires supportive shoes. Believe me, I have
spent hours making choices like this over the last two years.

ET #3

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I just got my latest copy of the Valley Vet Supply catalogue
and saw that it's a special Equine Edition.  Flipping through
it while walking back from the p.o., I saw lots of cute clothes
etc. for horses.
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:

> >That's the one I thought she had gotten
> >fired from when the Jeb scandal surfaced
>
> What is this Jeb scandal, and who got fired?

Apparently she (Elizabeth Cheney) didn't get fired.  I was mistaken
about that.  The Jeb thing had to do with her sitting on something
related to Floridians until after the gov's election since releasing
whatever it was might have hurt Jeb.  I don't remember now what it was
she was sitting on.  I'm sure it could be googled for, but I'm making
myself be disciplined with this quick e-break before getting back to
paper grading.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> No, she said specifically that it was the cheapest activity she
> knew. I still think that's odd. Going for a walk in the park is
> cheaper. And if someone gives you a TV, like they did me,
> watching TV is even cheaper.

The <costs> you mentioned of using a library involved things like shoe
leather to get there.  That would also be a cost of walking in the
park.  And using a tv raises your electric bill.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> It takes a car (and all that entails) or a bike to get to the
> library. Walking requires supportive shoes. Believe me, I have
> spent hours making choices like this over the last two years.

Do you wear your supportive shoes when walking in the park?  And how do
you know that Doris doesn't live much closer to the library than she
does to the park?

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Harminc
>Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:22 AM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Pause
>
>
>On Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 18:41, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
>> So finally the new coffee shop made it--it managed to open. Always
>> nice to have a new business open, which is not Starbucks ... So I
>> thought, I'll get coffee at "Pause" sometime. Then I saw promotional
>> postcards in the mailroom and picked one up ... and it has a black
>> and white picture of some bygoine housewife type on a rotary phone,
>> and it says this:
>
>In the mailroom? Where the hell do you work these days? And what were
>you doing in the "mailroom"?
>
>Tony H.
>

Picking up his mail. I go to the mailroom.


alec

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 05:16 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>
>> 02003-03-25 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> > Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 5:10:25 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > > We covered all of this in 1991. Move on!
>> >
>> > We were all cuter in 1991.
>>
>> I think Lisa, Rita etc have gotten cuter but I may be wrong.
>
>
> <excitement>
>
> OH MY GOD I CANNOT BELIEVE IT.. I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE AGREED
> WITH TUSHAR.
>
> </end excitement>
>
> lisa
>


        Do you think the old fat guy will show up in Maine?



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rita Chapman
>Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:59 AM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Evil triplets online!
>
>
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
>> At 05:16 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>>> 02003-03-25 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>>> > Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 5:10:25 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>> > > We covered all of this in 1991. Move on!
>>> >
>>> > We were all cuter in 1991.
>>>
>>> I think Lisa, Rita etc have gotten cuter but I may be wrong.
>>
>>
>> <excitement>
>>
>> OH MY GOD I CANNOT BELIEVE IT.. I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST
>TIME I'VE AGREED
>> WITH TUSHAR.
>>
>> </end excitement>
>>
>> lisa
>>
>
>
>        Do you think the old fat guy will show up in Maine?
>
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

Which old fat guy?  :)



alec

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 03:35 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>        LOL.    One of my freshmen, who maintains a C/D in my class,
>> read _Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maint._ for his
>> independent novel.  He came in after school a few times to
>> ask me some questions, and did quite well with it.  He
>> commented that he had to stop after each chapter and think
>> about it for a little while before going on.  I told him I
>> had to do the same thing.  His mother and I were thrilled.
>> Another of my students chose _Madame Bovary_ and loved it.
>> Let's see, what other books did that class choose?  _Grapes
>> of Wrath_, _Night_ trilogy, _The Sun Also Rises_, etc..
>> They had two weeks to read.
>>
>>
>>        There are study questions all over the web. I use them.
>
>
> I read the first chapter of Zen.. I stopped to think about it and never
> started back up again. I reminded me of _A Day in the Life of Ivan
> Denisovich_ (I think I spelled the last name wrong but I don't feel like
> looking it up at the moment). I never finished that book either and it was
> a high school English assignment.


        That's why I'm a deliriously well paid English teacher and
you are not.  I know the very thought causes you to suffer
in your heart, but you'll find wealth and happiness
elsewhere, somehow.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>>
>
>
>        Do you think the old fat guy will show up in Maine?
>
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>

Hey Rita,

I see many nice pictures of you and your daughter, but none of your husband.
Does he not like to be photographed?


alec

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Thursday, March 27, 2003, 9:45:23 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Do you wear your supportive shoes when walking in the park?

I wear supportive shoes any time I think I might have to walk
more than a block.

> And how do you know that Doris doesn't live much closer to the
> library than she does to the park?

Then she can walk around her neighborhood.

Don't forget that instant-on TVs/VCRs/etc. use electricity when
they are plugged in!

I think I'll pull the plug on my aquarium--it uses almost as much
electricity as my TV.

ET #3

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>It takes a car (and all that entails)

NO BLOOD FOR OIL.

--
Richard      clad in black, don't look back

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Tony Harminc wrote:
>
> The elevator news (formerly ENN - now Captivate) is reporting that
> Halliburton has already been awarded some contracts for work in Iraq.

Yes, 1/2 Billion Dollars US, as of yesterday, for putting out fires and
improving the oil fields. But today I heard that the cost will exceed
that and it will be more like 1 Billion. It's is a Halliburton
subsidiary so people won't recognize the company name.

alyce

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>>
>>       Do you think the old fat guy will show up in Maine?
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>>
>>
>
> Hey Rita,
>
> I see many nice pictures of you and your daughter, but none of your husband.
> Does he not like to be photographed?
>


        He just doesn't want his photo on the web page.  He's an old
fat guy.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>>Actually, the bureaucracy is busy replacing the univerity,
>
>[presuming that univerity = university]
>
>Actually, that happened a long time ago.
>
>cwv

The process was probably pretty well on its way to completion by 1231, if I
am any judge.

Ken Miller
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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Evil triplets online!
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Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rita Chapman
>>Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:59 AM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: Evil triplets online!
>>
>>
>>lisa alfieri wrote:
>>
>>
>>>At 05:16 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>02003-03-25 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 5:10:25 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>We covered all of this in 1991. Move on!
>>>>>>
>>>>>We were all cuter in 1991.
>>>>>
>>>>I think Lisa, Rita etc have gotten cuter but I may be wrong.
>>>>
>>>
>>><excitement>
>>>
>>>OH MY GOD I CANNOT BELIEVE IT.. I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST
>>>
>>TIME I'VE AGREED
>>
>>>WITH TUSHAR.
>>>
>>></end excitement>
>>>
>>>lisa
>>>
>>>
>>
>>       Do you think the old fat guy will show up in Maine?
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>>
>
> Which old fat guy?  :)
>


        Oh, it'll be a feast!




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Washington Post this morning reports:
THE COMBINATION of wretched weather, long and insecure supply lines, and
an enemy that has refused to be supine in the face of American military might
has led to a broad reassessment by some top generals of U.S. military
expectations and timelines. Some of them see even the potential threat of a
drawn-out fight that sucks in more and more U.S. forces. Both on the battlefield
in Iraq and in Pentagon conference rooms, military commanders were talking
yesterday about a longer, harder war than had been expected just a week ago, the
officials said.
œTell me how this ends, one senior officer said yesterday.


Refused to be supine ?????

It's NOT A FUCKING MOVIE

BrP
-angry

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Thursday, March 27, 2003, 8:25:02 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> Washington Post this morning reports:
> THE COMBINATION of wretched weather, long and insecure supply lines, and
> an enemy that has refused to be supine in the face of American military might
> has led to a broad reassessment by some top generals of U.S. military
> expectations and timelines. Some of them see even the potential threat of a
> drawn-out fight that sucks in more and more U.S. forces. Both on the battlefield
> in Iraq and in Pentagon conference rooms, military commanders were talking
> yesterday about a longer, harder war than had been expected just a week ago, the
> officials said.
> œTell me how this ends, one senior officer said yesterday.


> Refused to be supine ?????

> It's NOT A FUCKING MOVIE

> BrP
> -angry

I think it's sarcasm.

15,000 more Texas troops are being deployed Thursday. I can't
stand to watch Bush talk about the war.

ET #3

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At 08:57 AM 3/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>At 01:28 PM 3/25/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>
>>>The best way for me to describe Tina is to say she's a hot fucking shit. I
>>>guess this is why I found it interesting when Bonnie said I posted
>>>protective of her.
>>
>>Does she mind being described in those terms? I can hardly wait to meet her
>>at breakfast at the Hearthside.
>>
>>Betty
>
>I told Tina what I said and her response was, "that's right". She then
>switched and swayed her way out of the room.
>
>Tina is fun, as long as you don't mind chatter in the morning, you'll like
>her. If you want a nice quiet breakfast, devoid of conversation, I suggest
>you avoid us. Helpful hint, we're up around 8:30 on vacation days.

Looking forward to seeing you again and meeting Queen LaTina.

Betty

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On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I just got my latest copy of the Valley Vet Supply catalogue
>and saw that it's a special Equine Edition.  Flipping through
>it while walking back from the p.o., I saw lots of cute clothes
>etc. for horses.

Maria accepts gifts, usually quite graciously. She might even send you
her picture.

Bethany

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> Tony Harminc wrote:
>
> > Oh, oh. You say blouses doesn't rhyme with houses? Um, does blouse
> > rhyme with house?
>
> Blouse rhymes with the verb house for me but not with the noun house.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

This would only be true for me if I used "blouse" as a verb.

BrP

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Karen Kay wrote:

>  Going for a walk in the park is
> cheaper.

Depends how cheap are the new shoes you have to buy after you've walked
miles and miles.

Kr.

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    Here's an example of the racist imperialist now:

JMW
===================================

Arithmetic on the Frontier

A great and glorious thing it is
  To learn, for seven years or so,
The Lord knows what of that and this,
  Ere reckoned fit to face the foe --
The flying bullet down the Pass,
That whistles clear: "All flesh is grass."

Three hundred pounds per annum spent
  On making brain and body meeter
For all the murderous intent
  Comprised in "villanous saltpetre!"
And after -- ask the Yusufzaies
What comes of all our 'ologies.

A scrimmage in a Border Station --
  A canter down some dark defile --
Two thousand pounds of education
  Drops to a ten-rupee jezail --
The Crammer's boast, the Squadron's pride,
Shot like a rabbit in a ride!

No proposition Euclid wrote,
  No formulae the text-books know,
Will turn the bullet from your coat,
  Or ward the tulwar's downward blow
Strike hard who cares -- shoot straight who can --
The odds are on the cheaper man.

One sword-knot stolen from the camp
  Will pay for all the school expenses
Of any Kurrum Valley scamp
  Who knows no word of moods and tenses,
But, being blessed with perfect sight,
Picks off our messmates left and right.

With home-bred hordes the hillsides teem,
  The troopships bring us one by one,
At vast expense of time and steam,
  To slay Afridis where they run.
The "captives of our bow and spear"
Are cheap, alas! as we are dear.

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Thursday, March 27, 2003, 12:01:21 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>>  Going for a walk in the park is
>> cheaper.

> Depends how cheap are the new shoes you have to buy after you've walked
> miles and miles.

This reminds me that if I don't return some library books today,
I'll get fined.

ET #3

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>Doris Markland wrote:
> > - - Iraqis receiving UNO food that just arrived
> > and shouting " Praise Sadaam . . Sadaam brings
> > us food!"
>
>     I saw that clip as well, but mine was accompanied with a voice-over
>stating that the Iraqis weren't idiots they appeared, but had learned at
>hard cost over the years the price of insufficient on-camera
>enthusiasm...        --JMW

The newspaper article I read this morning added that there were men looking
on from the sidelines who were the intended audience of this display of "I
wear Saddam as a crown."


    --bonniev

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>Refused to be supine ?????
>
>It's NOT A FUCKING MOVIE
>
>BrP    -angry

That is indeed a line from Apocalypse Now, you know.   Robert Duvall says
with disgust as he looks down from his helicopter at the Vietnam village he
is attacking:   "Don't these people ever give up?!"


    --bonniev

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> >Doris Markland wrote:
> > > - - Iraqis receiving UNO food that just arrived
> > > and shouting " Praise Sadaam . . Sadaam brings
> > > us food!"
> >
> >     I saw that clip as well, but mine was accompanied with a
voice-over
> >stating that the Iraqis weren't idiots they appeared, but had learned
at
> >hard cost over the years the price of insufficient on-camera
> >enthusiasm...        --JMW
>
> The newspaper article I read this morning added that there were men
looking
> on from the sidelines who were the intended audience of this display
of "I
> wear Saddam as a crown."
>
>
>     --bonniev

That all makes sense.  I hadn't
thought of it.

        - D. M.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> "Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
> >
> > On 25 Mar 2003 at 19:49, bonniev wrote:
> >
> > > Alleged death.  I think the husband was real enough.
> >
> > Is there some evidence for this or is it a case of so-called
> > women's intuition?

Another proof for I've always thought: I have no intuition, either common
or womanly, whatsoever. I never doubted about the realities mentioned.

> I think he existed and that he died. I know she had a way of spinning
> tales, but I know that she had some book people at her house after he
> "died" and that his books were there, but he was not.

As a friend (a woman) once said: A man's home is where his books are.

Kristin

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At 09:58 AM 3/27/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
>>At 05:16 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>>>02003-03-25 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>>> > Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 5:10:25 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>> > > We covered all of this in 1991. Move on!
>>> >
>>> > We were all cuter in 1991.
>>>
>>>I think Lisa, Rita etc have gotten cuter but I may be wrong.
>>
>>
>><excitement>
>>
>>OH MY GOD I CANNOT BELIEVE IT.. I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE AGREED
>>WITH TUSHAR.
>>
>></end excitement>
>>
>>lisa
>
>
>        Do you think the old fat guy will show up in Maine?

Hmm I don't know.. do you think he can handle our increased cuteness? It
might be too much for his fat encased heart.

lisa

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At 10:02 AM 3/27/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
>>At 03:35 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>>>        LOL.    One of my freshmen, who maintains a C/D in my class,
>>>read _Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maint._ for his
>>>independent novel.  He came in after school a few times to
>>>ask me some questions, and did quite well with it.  He
>>>commented that he had to stop after each chapter and think
>>>about it for a little while before going on.  I told him I
>>>had to do the same thing.  His mother and I were thrilled.
>>>Another of my students chose _Madame Bovary_ and loved it.
>>>Let's see, what other books did that class choose?  _Grapes
>>>of Wrath_, _Night_ trilogy, _The Sun Also Rises_, etc..
>>>They had two weeks to read.
>>>
>>>
>>>        There are study questions all over the web. I use them.
>>
>>
>>I read the first chapter of Zen.. I stopped to think about it and never
>>started back up again. I reminded me of _A Day in the Life of Ivan
>>Denisovich_ (I think I spelled the last name wrong but I don't feel like
>>looking it up at the moment). I never finished that book either and it was
>>a high school English assignment.
>
>
>        That's why I'm a deliriously well paid English teacher and
>you are not.  I know the very thought causes you to suffer
>in your heart, but you'll find wealth and happiness
>elsewhere, somehow.
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita

No, I'm not sure I will. The mere thought has not only caused suffering in
my heart but sleepless nights as well. It all seems so hopeless. Maybe I
should go back and try to read those books, maybe that will ease the pain
and suffering.

lisa

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tushar Samant
>Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 2:19 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Pause
>
>
>02003-03-27 | Tony Harminc <tony@HARMINC.COM> writes:
>> > So finally the new coffee shop made it--it managed to open. Always
>> > nice to have a new business open, which is not Starbucks ... So I
>> > thought, I'll get coffee at "Pause" sometime. Then I saw
>promotional
>> > postcards in the mailroom and picked one up ... and it has a black
>> > and white picture of some bygoine housewife type on a rotary phone,
>> > and it says this:
>>
>> In the mailroom? Where the hell do you work these days? And what were
>> you doing in the "mailroom"?
>
>Oops ... I meant the "mail" room in the aprtment building I live in.
>It gets complicated though, once you start explaining it. There is an
>area with all the mailboxes, then there is the "receiving" room which
>gets bigger package and as usual doubles as a valet service etc. And
>there is a little room which has accumulated all kinds of stuff over
>the years, including an ATM which charges too much, a vending machine,
>a bulletin board, and a few racks for leaflets and free publications.
>The last is what I meant.
>

GAY!

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02003-03-27 | Tony Harminc <tony@HARMINC.COM> writes:
> > So finally the new coffee shop made it--it managed to open. Always
> > nice to have a new business open, which is not Starbucks ... So I
> > thought, I'll get coffee at "Pause" sometime. Then I saw promotional
> > postcards in the mailroom and picked one up ... and it has a black
> > and white picture of some bygoine housewife type on a rotary phone,
> > and it says this:
>
> In the mailroom? Where the hell do you work these days? And what were
> you doing in the "mailroom"?

Oops ... I meant the "mail" room in the aprtment building I live in.
It gets complicated though, once you start explaining it. There is an
area with all the mailboxes, then there is the "receiving" room which
gets bigger package and as usual doubles as a valet service etc. And
there is a little room which has accumulated all kinds of stuff over
the years, including an ATM which charges too much, a vending machine,
a bulletin board, and a few racks for leaflets and free publications.
The last is what I meant.

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of lisa alfieri
>Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 2:02 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Evil triplets online!
>
>
>At 09:58 AM 3/27/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>lisa alfieri wrote:
>>
>>>At 05:16 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>>
>>>>02003-03-25 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>>>> > Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 5:10:25 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>> > > We covered all of this in 1991. Move on!
>>>> >
>>>> > We were all cuter in 1991.
>>>>
>>>>I think Lisa, Rita etc have gotten cuter but I may be wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>><excitement>
>>>
>>>OH MY GOD I CANNOT BELIEVE IT.. I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST
>TIME I'VE AGREED
>>>WITH TUSHAR.
>>>
>>></end excitement>
>>>
>>>lisa
>>
>>
>>        Do you think the old fat guy will show up in Maine?
>
>Hmm I don't know.. do you think he can handle our increased
>cuteness? It might be too much for his fat encased heart.
>
>lisa
>

Words-l CPR can be fun. Or a funeral as a Words-l event.

Alec

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02003-03-27 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> >> In the mailroom? Where the hell do you work these days? And what were
> >> you doing in the "mailroom"?
> >
> >Oops ... I meant the "mail" room in the aprtment building I live in.
> >It gets complicated though, once you start explaining it. There is an
> >area with all the mailboxes, then there is the "receiving" room which
> >gets bigger package and as usual doubles as a valet service etc. And
> >there is a little room which has accumulated all kinds of stuff over
> >the years, including an ATM which charges too much, a vending machine,
> >a bulletin board, and a few racks for leaflets and free publications.
> >The last is what I meant.
>
> GAY!

Wrong as Alec might frequently be, I think he is right on this one.
Somehow, unknowingly, my apartment building has turned from old to
gay. I see the transformation of the "mailroom" as one symptom.

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tushar Samant
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>
>
>02003-03-27 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
>> >> In the mailroom? Where the hell do you work these days?
>And what were
>> >> you doing in the "mailroom"?
>> >
>> >Oops ... I meant the "mail" room in the aprtment building I live in.
>> >It gets complicated though, once you start explaining it.
>There is an
>> >area with all the mailboxes, then there is the "receiving"
>room which
>> >gets bigger package and as usual doubles as a valet service etc. And
>> >there is a little room which has accumulated all kinds of stuff over
>> >the years, including an ATM which charges too much, a
>vending machine,
>> >a bulletin board, and a few racks for leaflets and free
>publications.
>> >The last is what I meant.
>>
>> GAY!
>
>Wrong as Alec might frequently be, I think he is right on this one.
>Somehow, unknowingly, my apartment building has turned from old to
>gay. I see the transformation of the "mailroom" as one symptom.
>

My sexy bald lover, when have I been frequently wrong?

alec

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Ain't it great that Dubya has declared the idea of preemptive strikes
a good thing.  Lots of people can play the game now that he's blessed it:

*********
Israel's Haaretz newspaper reported on news from Syria, via Lebanon:
"Syrian President Bashar Assad was quoted in the Lebanese newspaper As-Safir
Thursday as hinting that Syria expects to be the next target of coalition
forces. 'We will not wait until we become the next target,' Assad was quoted
as saying, adding that the attack on Iraq is aimed at other countries as well.
*********
from: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/19/iraq/printable544620.shtml

   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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I'm sure Syria isn't the only country <willing> to join a <coalition> against the US.

BrP


> Ain't it great that Dubya has declared the idea of preemptive strikes
> a good thing.  Lots of people can play the game now that he's blessed it:
>
> *********
> Israel's Haaretz newspaper reported on news from Syria, via Lebanon:
> "Syrian President Bashar Assad was quoted in the Lebanese newspaper As-Safir
> Thursday as hinting that Syria expects to be the next target of coalition
> forces. 'We will not wait until we become the next target,' Assad was quoted
> as saying, adding that the attack on Iraq is aimed at other countries as well.
> *********
> from: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/19/iraq/printable544620.shtml
>
>    --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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There's a very nice program on Alice Waters as part of the PBS
American Masters series. It's on tonight at 7pm here, check your
local listings. (Ligniere taped it when it was on the other night
and I'm watching it now; I'm going to make my own copy tonight.)

I'm in love with her, too, Natalie, in case you were wondering.

Karen

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>'We will not wait until we become the next
>target,' Assad was quoted as saying

You'da thunk the Syrians would have been
all over this concept since 1967.

--
Richard      clad in black, don't look back

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Bush Sucks

Blair Swallows


BrP

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Actually, I view this as little more than a crude shakedown
for U.S. $$ ala North Korea.

But I think you would enjoy the "Poetry of War" unit I just
put together.


Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Ain't it great that Dubya has declared the idea of preemptive strikes
> a good thing.  Lots of people can play the game now that he's blessed it:
>
> *********
> Israel's Haaretz newspaper reported on news from Syria, via Lebanon:
> "Syrian President Bashar Assad was quoted in the Lebanese newspaper As-Safir
> Thursday as hinting that Syria expects to be the next target of coalition
> forces. 'We will not wait until we become the next target,' Assad was quoted
> as saying, adding that the attack on Iraq is aimed at other countries as well.
> *********
> from: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/19/iraq/printable544620.shtml
>
>    --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>
>


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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 09:58 AM 3/27/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>
>> lisa alfieri wrote:
>>
>>> At 05:16 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> 02003-03-25 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>>>> > Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 5:10:25 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>> > > We covered all of this in 1991. Move on!
>>>> >
>>>> > We were all cuter in 1991.
>>>>
>>>> I think Lisa, Rita etc have gotten cuter but I may be wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <excitement>
>>>
>>> OH MY GOD I CANNOT BELIEVE IT.. I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE
>>> AGREED
>>> WITH TUSHAR.
>>>
>>> </end excitement>
>>>
>>> lisa
>>
>>
>>
>>        Do you think the old fat guy will show up in Maine?
>
>
> Hmm I don't know.. do you think he can handle our increased cuteness? It
> might be too much for his fat encased heart.
>

        I don't know that the trip would be complete without a
rendezvous with my hunka hunka burnin' pimp daddy.




--
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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul R. Barfoot
>Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 4:12 PM
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>Bush Sucks
>
>Blair Swallows
>
>
>BrP
>

That reminds me of Villanova when I was student. We used to say Syracuse
Sucks and Georgetown swallows. Just thought I would share my memory. No
offense intended to Paul or Carolyn. Just a basketball season memory.


alec

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Do you wear your supportive shoes when walking in the park?
>
> I wear supportive shoes any time I think I might have to walk
> more than a block.
>
> > And how do you know that Doris doesn't live much closer to the
> > library than she does to the park?
>
> Then she can walk around her neighborhood.

And that would be less wearing on shoes than walking next door to a
library?

> Don't forget that instant-on TVs/VCRs/etc. use electricity when
> they are plugged in!

Indeed.  Unlike library books.  (You can unplug those stay-on
appliances, though.  I normally do.)

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Maria accepts gifts, usually quite graciously. She might even send you
> her picture.

Too late.  I put the catalogue out on our "free books" bench, and
somebody picked it up.  Besides, it's really hard to pick out clothes
for somebody you haven't met.

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> This would only be true for me if I used "blouse" as a verb.

I might have used blouse as a verb in my life.  I can imagine doing so.
But I would pronounce it the same as the noun -- with a [z] at the end.

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Thursday, March 27, 2003, 3:22:00 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> Don't forget that instant-on TVs/VCRs/etc. use electricity when
>> they are plugged in!

> Indeed.  Unlike library books.  (You can unplug those stay-on
> appliances, though.  I normally do.)

So you go through the setting of time/channels/etc. every time
you use your VCR or TV?

ET #3

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Karen Kay wrote:

> 15,000 more Texas troops are being deployed Thursday. I can't
> stand to watch Bush talk about the war.

Here are our students who have already left:
http://www.msstate.edu/web/prepared/studentsoldiers.html

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>
> That reminds me of Villanova when I was student. We used to say Syracuse
> Sucks and Georgetown swallows. Just thought I would share my memory. No
> offense intended to Paul or Carolyn. Just a basketball season memory.
>
>
> alec

:-)


So whaddya think - an all Big Esat Final Four this year?

could happen

BrP




>
> ------------
> Alec D. Plotkin
> plotkina@isc.upenn.edu
> "Any smoothly functioning technology will have the appearance of magic." -
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Karen Kay wrote:

> So you go through the setting of time/channels/etc. every time
> you use your VCR or TV?

I don't know what you mean.  The only thing that needs setting on mine
is the time, and that's only when I plan to tape something.  I would
always check the vcr's time before setting the timer anyway -- and
setting it requires little more time than checking it.

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Thursday, March 27, 2003, 3:32:55 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> So you go through the setting of time/channels/etc. every time
>> you use your VCR or TV?

> I don't know what you mean.  The only thing that needs setting on mine
> is the time, and that's only when I plan to tape something.  I would
> always check the vcr's time before setting the timer anyway -- and
> setting it requires little more time than checking it.

Hm. I have to set the time and channels when I move them. It
requires a lot more time than just checking it because of the way
the time sets.

ET #3

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>-----Original Message-----
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>>
>> That reminds me of Villanova when I was student. We used to
>say Syracuse
>> Sucks and Georgetown swallows. Just thought I would share my
>memory. No
>> offense intended to Paul or Carolyn. Just a basketball season memory.
>>
>>
>> alec
>
>:-)
>
>
>So whaddya think - an all Big Esat Final Four this year?
>
>could happen
>
>BrP
>
>
>

It would be cool, except Villanova is not one of the four. ND, UConn, Pitt
and Syracuse would make an interesting final four.



alec

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In a message dated 3/27/2003 2:28:24 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< > 15,000 more Texas troops are being deployed Thursday. I can't
> stand to watch Bush talk about the war.
 >>

I heard somewhere, can't remember the exact source, that 30,000 more had been
send a couple of days ago. It's beyond my capacity to find words for this
ugly business.
Theo

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At 04:19 PM 3/27/2003 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>That reminds me of Villanova when I was student. We used to say Syracuse
>Sucks and Georgetown swallows. Just thought I would share my memory. No
>offense intended to Paul or Carolyn. Just a basketball season memory.

When we were still resideing in Tennessee, Vanderbilt supporters had a
bumper sticker:

Nothing sucks like a Big Orange.

cwv

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At 04:45 PM 3/27/2003 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>It would be cool, except Villanova is not one of the four. ND, UConn, Pitt
>and Syracuse would make an interesting final four.

Indeed.  I'm a bit torn.  I have two Wisconsin teams still alive, yet I
really love to watch the Big East style of ball--especially Pitt this
year.  The defensive job that they did on Coverdale was magnificent.

Did you see where Rollie M. hung it up at Cleveland State?  It's probably
time.  He never could find the group of players and the magic to come close
to the 'Nova championship run.

cwv

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 10:02 AM 3/27/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>
>> lisa alfieri wrote:
>>
>>> At 03:35 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>>
>>>>        LOL.    One of my freshmen, who maintains a C/D in my class,
>>>> read _Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maint._ for his
>>>> independent novel.  He came in after school a few times to
>>>> ask me some questions, and did quite well with it.  He
>>>> commented that he had to stop after each chapter and think
>>>> about it for a little while before going on.  I told him I
>>>> had to do the same thing.  His mother and I were thrilled.
>>>> Another of my students chose _Madame Bovary_ and loved it.
>>>> Let's see, what other books did that class choose?  _Grapes
>>>> of Wrath_, _Night_ trilogy, _The Sun Also Rises_, etc..
>>>> They had two weeks to read.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        There are study questions all over the web. I use them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I read the first chapter of Zen.. I stopped to think about it and never
>>> started back up again. I reminded me of _A Day in the Life of Ivan
>>> Denisovich_ (I think I spelled the last name wrong but I don't feel like
>>> looking it up at the moment). I never finished that book either and
>>> it was
>>> a high school English assignment.
>>
>>
>>
>>        That's why I'm a deliriously well paid English teacher and
>> you are not.  I know the very thought causes you to suffer
>> in your heart, but you'll find wealth and happiness
>> elsewhere, somehow.
>>
>> --
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>
> No, I'm not sure I will. The mere thought has not only caused suffering in
> my heart but sleepless nights as well. It all seems so hopeless. Maybe I
> should go back and try to read those books, maybe that will ease the pain
> and suffering.


        It is the season for repentance.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Well, biopsy doctor finally called. I do have a malignant tumor of
squamous cells. Haven't Googled for that yet. I have an appointment next
Friday (April 4) with a new pulmonologist and on April 11 with an
oncologist, both of whom are highly thought of. So, we have two more
weeks till I learn of treatment or whatever. Wish it were sooner, but...

--
alyce

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>From The Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,923848,00.html

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Well, biopsy doctor finally called. I do have a malignant tumor of
> squamous cells. Haven't Googled for that yet. I have an appointment next
> Friday (April 4) with a new pulmonologist and on April 11 with an
> oncologist, both of whom are highly thought of. So, we have two more
> weeks till I learn of treatment or whatever. Wish it were sooner, but...

I'm glad you know something now, but I wish this weren't what it was.
And I wish your appointments were sooner.  The waiting game is never fun
and especially not in a case like this.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> Oops ... I meant the "mail" room in the aprtment building I live in.
> It gets complicated though, once you start explaining it. There is an
> area with all the mailboxes, then there is the "receiving" room which
> gets bigger package and as usual doubles as a valet service etc.

Tushar is posting rich. I never lived in a building with a receiving
room and a valet service.

alyce

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In a message dated 3/27/2003 3:42:58 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Well, biopsy doctor finally called. I do have a malignant tumor of
squamous cells. Haven't Googled for that yet. I have an appointment next
Friday (April 4) with a new pulmonologist and on April 11 with an
oncologist, both of whom are highly thought of. So, we have two more
weeks till I learn of treatment or whatever. Wish it were sooner, but...
 >>
Alyce, that sucks. I'm so sorry, but treatments have improved over the years,
so don't panic. My very best wishes for a speedy recovery to you. Theo

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At 03:52 PM 3/27/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Well, biopsy doctor finally called. I do have a malignant tumor of
>squamous cells. Haven't Googled for that yet. I have an appointment next
>Friday (April 4) with a new pulmonologist and on April 11 with an
>oncologist, both of whom are highly thought of. So, we have two more
>weeks till I learn of treatment or whatever. Wish it were sooner, but...

Well, crap.  How are you feeling? Are you still as tired as before?

Betty

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In a message dated 03/27/2003 4:43:09 PM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<<
Well, biopsy doctor finally called. I do have a malignant tumor of
squamous cells.
>>

Damn!  I'm sorry, Alyce.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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> Well, biopsy doctor finally called. I do have a malignant tumor of
> squamous cells. Haven't Googled for that yet. I have an appointment
next
> Friday (April 4) with a new pulmonologist and on April 11 with an
> oncologist, both of whom are highly thought of. So, we have two more
> weeks till I learn of treatment or whatever. Wish it were sooner,
but...
>
> --
> alyce

I'm sorry to hear that.  I wonder if you are a
candidate for surgery.  I think I would hope so,
although they have improved the treatments
too.  Good that you have both a good
pulmonologist and oncologist.  Now is when
you need the best of specialists.

             - D. M.

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On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

> Well, biopsy doctor finally called. I do have a malignant tumor of
> squamous cells. Haven't Googled for that yet. I have an appointment next
> Friday (April 4) with a new pulmonologist and on April 11 with an
> oncologist, both of whom are highly thought of. So, we have two more
> weeks till I learn of treatment or whatever. Wish it were sooner, but...

Hang in there and hang in here, Alyce - I wish you a tolerable wait and
good luck with the pros.

Ann

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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I think this is what my dad has, but in his neck.

alyce cresap wrote:

> Well, biopsy doctor finally called. I do have a malignant tumor of
> squamous cells. Haven't Googled for that yet. I have an appointment next
> Friday (April 4) with a new pulmonologist and on April 11 with an
> oncologist, both of whom are highly thought of. So, we have two more
> weeks till I learn of treatment or whatever. Wish it were sooner, but...
>
> --
> alyce
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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02003-03-27 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Oops ... I meant the "mail" room in the aprtment building I live in.
> > It gets complicated though, once you start explaining it. There is an
> > area with all the mailboxes, then there is the "receiving" room which
> > gets bigger package and as usual doubles as a valet service etc.
>
> Tushar is posting rich. I never lived in a building with a receiving
> room and a valet service.

Every large generic apartment building built in the last, say, 40 years
has things like this ... puh! It has to be large, though, let's say 50
or more residences.

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02003-03-27 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> <excitement>
> OH MY GOD I CANNOT BELIEVE IT.. I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE AGREED
> WITH TUSHAR.
> </end excitement>

What about the time when you slobbed me down in what amounts
to a physically threatening manner? Possibly it was because
you disagreed with me?

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I was removing a tick from Larry's arm and it broke off.  I'm digging the
rest of it out now. I wish he would hold still.

Betty

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In a message dated 03/27/2003 6:20:06 PM Central Standard Time,
scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<<
Every large generic apartment building built in the last, say, 40 years
has things like this ... puh! It has to be large, though, let's say 50
or more residences.

>>

It would be nice to have a mailroom instead of having the mailboxes
outside (remember when mine was iced over and i couldn't get the
mail?)  And Eagle Point does have over 50 residences, but the
apartment buildings are spread over several acres (one block
going east to west, several blocks going north to south).

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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> I was removing a tick from Larry's arm and it broke off.  I'm digging
the
> rest of it out now. I wish he would hold still.
>
> Betty

Thank you for taking time out to give us an
up to date account of how you broke his
arm off.  Now go back to work.

                  - D. M.

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Betty wrote:
>
> I was removing a tick from Larry's arm and it broke off.  I'm digging the
> rest of it out now. I wish he would hold still.

Remember when I discovered a tick or spider or something burrowed in
between my boobs?  It's coming up on a year now, and it's still red and
itchy much of the time.  Who is not holding still?  Larry or the tick
parts?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 06:45 PM 3/27/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
> > I was removing a tick from Larry's arm and it broke off.  I'm digging
>the
> > rest of it out now. I wish he would hold still.
> >
> > Betty
>
>Thank you for taking time out to give us an
>up to date account of how you broke his
>arm off.  Now go back to work.

He left to go to the dark room.  I guess the head will come out when the
skin sloughs off.

Arizona is taking it to ND.  Go, Cats!

Betty

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > I was removing a tick from Larry's arm and it broke off.  I'm digging
> the
> > rest of it out now. I wish he would hold still.
> >
> > Betty
>
> Thank you for taking time out to give us an
> up to date account of how you broke his
> arm off.  Now go back to work.

I'm wondering where she put the broken off arm to make her have to dig
for it.

--
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At 07:02 PM 3/27/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > > I was removing a tick from Larry's arm and it broke off.  I'm digging
> > the
> > > rest of it out now. I wish he would hold still.
> > >
> > > Betty
> >
> > Thank you for taking time out to give us an
> > up to date account of how you broke his
> > arm off.  Now go back to work.
>
>I'm wondering where she put the broken off arm to make her have to dig
>for it.

Yeah, go ahead.  Make fun of me.  Larry will probably get some tick disease
and it will be MY fault. I'm first generation American so that is almost an
ignorant foreigner.  See if I care.

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At 07:01 PM 3/27/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> >
> > I was removing a tick from Larry's arm and it broke off.  I'm digging the
> > rest of it out now. I wish he would hold still.
>
>Remember when I discovered a tick or spider or something burrowed in
>between my boobs?  It's coming up on a year now, and it's still red and
>itchy much of the time.  Who is not holding still?  Larry or the tick
>parts?

No, I don't remember.  Take a photo.

I think I decapitated the tick.

Betty

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Sure, you expect to see a few weirdos on the 'L', but a lady talking
into a monster beanie baby? Yes, *into*--she was holding it like a
phone. Upon closer examination, it turned out that it was in fact a
cell phone, with a complete furry beanie baby case. Does anybody use
this? She was weird as hell, in several other ways. However, the ch*k
sitting next to her was like pretty cute and reading 'Pastoralia',
therefore in the evening I bought another book by the same author--
George Saunders--because it was the only one of his on the shelf.
CivilWarLand In Bad Decline. Before making random remarks about it,
allow me to say that what I have read of it is absolutely excellent.
As long as there is complete clarity on that, I can commence to make
BS remarks of no general value. One is that I suddenly laughed at this
sentence the main character in a story says: "What a degraded cosmos."
Then I wondered why it is so funny. It is funny because ... it's in
the middle of a degraded cosmos. You know it's a freakin "degraded
cosmos", so why is a character who was talking in the language of
love, hope etc suddenly editorializing in this very disharmonious
tone? It was the writer slipping. I wondered how it would go in
Indian stories of "degraded cosmos". I'd say the character wouldn't
say, look, this is a degraded cosmos, in the first place. And if he
wanted to, there are words in the language's core vocabulary to say
it. Suddenly the word "bad" in the title sounded like unnecessary
shouting too. Anyway ... this reminds me of a story another book I
was reading: Sync. I was having a quick drink at this bar--please,
without advice about controlling my rampant alcoholism, it doesn't
exist--before a performance, when some guy says cheers from a few
feet away. I say cheers, then he says "DRINKING ALONE I SEE! I HAVE
BEEN THERE!" Now I know it would be rude to say I intend to stay
there, but is it rude not to make a highly grateful face and saying
thanks for understanding, it is my life's mission not to drink alone?
I didn't have to think much about this because he asks what the book
was. So I hand him the book. "Sync", he says, and opens the book.

Note: it is about recent studies of how tightly or loosely coupled
oscillators of various kinds end up synchronizing--and which, roughly
speaking, seem to point to a unified mathematical theory, although
the examples come from diverese branches of physics, biology etc.
It's a very interesting, non-technical, enjoyable book.

The guy looks at it carefully, and then says, cool, is this about
how to get your life in sync? What the hell do you answer to this?
I said, no, it's, uh, like large collections of oscillators, like
fireflies etc, and how they get in sync. Oh, science, he says, and
that's it, that's the end of the conversation. No further interest
after it's been labelled "science". Jeeze! Reminded me of a poetry
workshop I was in.

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Thursday, March 27, 2003, 6:38:31 PM, Betty wrote:
> I was removing a tick from Larry's arm and it broke off.  I'm digging the
> rest of it out now. I wish he would hold still.

TMI, BB!

What are you digging it out with, a trenching tool?

ET #3

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What does this mean?

-- Richard Perle, head of board that advises U.S. Secretary of Defense
Donald Rumsfeld,
       resigns.
       Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com /AOL Keyword: CNN for the
latest news.

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At 07:52 PM 3/27/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Thursday, March 27, 2003, 6:38:31 PM, Betty wrote:
> > I was removing a tick from Larry's arm and it broke off.  I'm digging the
> > rest of it out now. I wish he would hold still.
>
>TMI, BB!
>
>What are you digging it out with, a trenching tool?

Tweezers.  The ones I used to use to pluck my chin hairs!

Betty

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On 27 Mar 2003 at 18:05, Betty wrote:

> What does this mean?

I guess it means he's free to go on enriching himself without
having people asking pesky questions about conflicts of interest.

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Thursday, March 27, 2003, 8:09:01 PM, BF Clark wrote:

> At 07:52 PM 3/27/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Thursday, March 27, 2003, 6:38:31 PM, Betty wrote:
>> > I was removing a tick from Larry's arm and it broke off.  I'm digging the
>> > rest of it out now. I wish he would hold still.
>>
>>TMI, BB!
>>
>>What are you digging it out with, a trenching tool?

> Tweezers.  The ones I used to use to pluck my chin hairs!

:)

ET #3

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Another example of a conversation which is doomed from the start:
I was telling my good friend A****n about this bizarre awards
ceremony I saw on TV once. It was hosted by "GQ magazine", and
it had the most highly dumb categories ever. And in that, Samuel
L Jackson got a prize. And the prize was for ... being cool. It
took me a while to even understand this. A prize for being COOL?
What can that possibly mean? Apparently the readers voted for him,
but nobody can explain the category.

So I am telling this to A****n, and he says, damn man of course
it has to be Samuel L Jackson. He was Shaft! You know nothing,
do you?

This is the end of the conversation. Because I wanted to say,
there is a largish range of concrete human achievement beyond
some random meaningless thing called "being cool". Hence, the
"cool" award is stupid, just like the rest of GQ magazine. And
what I got instead was an explanation for why freakin Samuel
L Jackson was the obvious choice this year ... JEEZE!

By the way, as a coworker said, how can you be cool if you go
and accept the cool award? If you are even slightly cool, you
are too cool to attend a cool award ceremony. I agree with this
point 100% ...

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02003-03-27 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> On 27 Mar 2003 at 18:05, Betty wrote:
>
> > What does this mean?
>
> I guess it means he's free to go on enriching himself without
> having people asking pesky questions about conflicts of interest.

That's too simplistic. Obviously he drew a game theory type of "matrix"
and it turned out that the overall gain by further advising on defense
minus the loss due to idiot conflict-of-interest questioners is less
than the alternative strategy. Though he might have been booted out
by others for contributing to an incorrect image of them as a gang
of robber barons.

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I'm sorry to hear this, Alyce, but at least now treatment can start soon,
and there's no more dreadful uncertainty.

--Adam

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At 08:08 PM 3/27/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>Another example of a conversation which is doomed from the start:
>I was telling my good friend A****n about this bizarre awards
>ceremony I saw on TV once. It was hosted by "GQ magazine", and
>it had the most highly dumb categories ever. And in that, Samuel
>L Jackson got a prize. And the prize was for ... being cool. It
>took me a while to even understand this. A prize for being COOL?
>What can that possibly mean? Apparently the readers voted for him,
>but nobody can explain the category.
>
>So I am telling this to A****n, and he says, damn man of course
>it has to be Samuel L Jackson. He was Shaft! You know nothing,
>do you?
>
>This is the end of the conversation. Because I wanted to say,
>there is a largish range of concrete human achievement beyond
>some random meaningless thing called "being cool". Hence, the
>"cool" award is stupid, just like the rest of GQ magazine. And
>what I got instead was an explanation for why freakin Samuel
>L Jackson was the obvious choice this year ... JEEZE!
>
>By the way, as a coworker said, how can you be cool if you go
>and accept the cool award? If you are even slightly cool, you
>are too cool to attend a cool award ceremony. I agree with this
>point 100% ...

You are so cool!

Betty

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02003-03-27 | BF Clark <bfclark2@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> You are so cool!

Thank you, I accept!

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On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

>Well, biopsy doctor finally called. I do have a malignant tumor of
>squamous cells. Haven't Googled for that yet. I have an appointment next

Sorry, alyce - I hope follow-up news is better.

Bethany

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> I'm sorry to hear that.  I wonder if you are a
> candidate for surgery.

I am pretty sure not. My lungs are not in great shape without the
cancer. That is why there was such a problem with the biopsy--surgeon
did not want to enter there.

  Good that you have both a good
> pulmonologist and oncologist.  Now is when
> you need the best of specialists.

I hope they are competent. There are not a whole lot to choose from up
here in the country.

Thanks to all who have wished me well.

alyce
>
>              - D. M.


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> Well, crap.  How are you feeling?

Well, I take pain pills every four hours, so I feel fine in that regard.

> Are you still as tired as before?

Pretty fatigued and apt to get breathless more readily than 4-5 months
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EXAMINE THE FACTS

(An Editorial)

Sedef M. Buyukataman
The Turkish Forum

Turkey.  What comes to your mind when I mention this country?  Traitor?
Another one of those Islamic Middle Eastern Countries that can’t be
trusted?  The only real secular democracy in the Middle East with Muslim
roots who is a consistent supporter of the US and has been for over 50
years.  Unfortunately some less ethical members of the media have chosen
to ignore the last statement in favor of more aggressive, rating
increasing, negative propaganda illustrated in the first two statements –
never mind that they have no basis in fact.  Apparently to some members of
the US media news is not about the distribution of accurate information,
its about further spreading misunderstanding and rhetoric.  Or in this
instance the purpose is not to inform the viewing public but to find a
scapegoat to blame for America’s struggle in their unilateral declaration
of war.

For example, Foxnews has, at every opportunity, from both the news staff
and guest speaker’s,offered up the following derogatory comments regarding
Turkey in relation to the Iraq war and America's faulty decision to bypass
working with Turkey (please excuse the language but I am forced to use
direct quotes):

"Since Turkey Screwed Us..."
"Because Turkey Jerked Us Around..."
"If Turkey hadn't messed with us..."
"Turkey tried to bribe us into letting them invade Iraq by offering us
Airspace rights..."

The objective is clearly to place any blame for the flaws in the strategy
used by the US in the Iraq War, at any cost, on Turkey's reluctance to
allow US troops to enter Northern Iraq through Turkey.  Turkey is an easy
target for these reporters, it’s a country that, thanks to deep pocketed
anti-Turkish lobbies, doesn’t have very good “press” and they are banking
on the American viewing public having a very short memory.  (Have they
already forgotten Turkey’s invaluable role in Korea, the Cold War? Surely
not Desert Storm?)  I am deeply offended by these comments not only
because I find it unethical for members of the press to display such
obvious bias and personal opinions but also that it smacks of US posturing
and propaganda.  The same type of propaganda, I might add, that the Iraqi
leadership is so sorely criticized for by these same members of the press.
The main difference here is that the Iraqi’s are using state owned news
agencies to report their propaganda, I wasn’t aware that the NY Times and
Foxnews were owned by the US government.  However, I am not surprised to
see yet another example of the bottom feeder end of the media using a
double standard when evaluating the world outside of their own borders.
As a born and bred American of Turkish heritage who was raised with a
strong love for Turkey and the USA I feel comfortable in commenting on the
behavior of both my nations and I can honestly say that I don't like the
imperialist approach America is taking in the Middle East.  I am also
extremely unimpressed with Turkey’s current strategy in negotiations with
the US in this situation.  However I can, and will, express this opinion
in the form of votes at my first opportunity, what I take issue with today
is the flagrant propaganda machine that some members of the press have
taken it upon themselves to create.

If these members of the press have bought the line that this war is a
fight for democracy why isn't anyone showing any respect for the
democratic approach Turkey is taking in this crisis?  An approach that has
not only cost Turkey billions of dollars in foreign aid but also countless
dollars in tourism, foreign business opportunities and, as the following
months will show, by making the job of anti-Turkish lobbies a hundred
times easier.  If these members of the press would like to criticize
Turkey why not criticize Turkey’s seemingly amateur approach in
negotiations with the US.  However these members of the press have
unilaterally decided that Turkey has behaved in a manner that is
unacceptable, how dare Turkey refuse the United States military access to
their country, who cares what the reasons for this snub are - they have no
right.  With over 90% of the Turkish people saying “absolutely not” to
Turkey’s involvement in this war, how on earth could Turkey claim to be
democracy and still allow thousands of foreign soldiers into their
territory for the purpose of staffing logistical bases and manning
attacks?  It’s laughable.

Turkey, unlike the US, does not have the benefit of approving a war effort
without parliament's approval.  The constitution does not allow for that,
period.  It is not a nation set up to accommodate the US desire to behave
like an empire while touting the banner of “democracy for all”.  The voice
of the Turkish people will be heard prior to entering a war.  Turkey is a
democracy based in the principals of Kemalism not a façade based on the
will of the United States as so many countries are today.  As an American
citizen I applaud that and I expect the US Free Press to look beyond
political rhetoric and posturing and present the public with the facts of
the situation.  Had these members of the press done their homework in
these matters they would be at the forefront in the support of Turkey, at
the forefront of questioning the US government on their reasons for this
war and they should be voicing my concerns of the US taking an imperialist
approach in the Middle East.  It doesn’t pay to act like an empire.  If
anyone would like a lesson in what happens when your empire comes undone,
as all empires do, they should look at the current state of Turkey.

The fact is Turkey has always been a loyal supporter of the US, no
questions or requests asked, and because of that one would assume that
they would be the recipient of consistent support by the US but sadly that
is not the case.  Unfortunately Turkey is a young country with an
inexperienced group of politicians and a track record of approaching US
Turkish relations with a nod of assent despite the problems it has caused
with other countries and economic burdens at home.  Turkey is not very
good at acting in its own interests and taking advantage of situations
that it could force benefit from, and because of that Turkey tends to lose
out.

For example, why has a country like Egypt who is a very inconsistent
supporter (at best) of the US received no negative press during this war?
During Desert Storm Egypt was literally bought by the US for the price of
having their foreign debt wiped clean as well as assurances for future
funding.  They will also receive a nice aid package during the current
Iraqi conflict, and apparently will continued to be spared the mountains
of negative press and appallingly offensive caricatures that Turkey has
been drowning in.  Israel is receiving 10 Billion Dollars in Aid for only
offering fly over rights during the current war with Iraq, no different
from Turkey, and even though they are not a border country with Iraq there
is significant concern expressed by the press for the well being of the
Israeli people during this war.  Turkey who borders Iraq and has been the
recipient of 10 years of terrorist activities stemming from Kurdish
terrorists based in Northern Iraq is being criticized for their lack of
support of the US, what should Turkey have done to appease these members
of the US press paint a giant bull’s eye in the middle of the country to
help Iraqi’s better aim their bombs?  On top of that in an effort to
protect their borders from a repeat of the onslaught of refugees turned
terrorists after Desert Storm by sending Turkish Troops to the Northern
Iraqi border the EU and NATO are threatening to pull all protection
assistance and future aid.  I am left speechless.  Unfortunately the media
is not, they applaud the EU and NATO’S threats.

When I hear that Kurdish Nationals living in Northern Iraq will be
fighting alongside the Coalition forces I can do nothing but distrust US
assurances that this will not have a negative effect on Turkey.  The media
would rather not remember that last time around the US left Turkey hanging
with mountains of debt AND a huge influx of terrorists that has cost
billions of dollars and thousands of lives and has still not been
stabilized.  I have to question the framework of America's "support" of
Turkey.  The press, on the other hand, feels compelled to condemn Turkey
for being greedy and self serving in asking for guarantees of post war
aid, guarantees that they will not be left out in the cold AGAIN.  Turkey
screwed the US?  You have got to be kidding, once bitten twice shy would
be more appropriate.

I find fault, as is easy to do when one is not actively involved in
negotiations, with the strategy Turkey has used in the negotiations with
the US.  But I am allowed to find fault and express my concerns because I
have done my homework on the situation, examined all aspects of the
conflict available to me and most importantly live in a free, secular and
democratic society - it is my right to voice my opinions.  I only wish
that the members of the US press that have chosen the blinder wearing “US
is always right” approach do not feel the need to present the full picture
in this situation or even do their homework on the information they
present.  The fact is that these individuals would rather not show the
full picture and this further shows their intent to use Turkey as a
scapegoat.  How did a country so intent on staying out of this war become
the root of all of the US struggles in Iraq?  These claims are
irresponsible and ignorant at best, in fact they could be more accurately
described as unethical and liable.

Turkey is facing some very rough days because of mistakes made not only in
relation to their management of the US during this crisis but also of
their handling of the Cyprus issue, as well as, the consistent lack of
importance placed on pro-Turkey lobby efforts throughout the world.
Theses already existing struggles have been severely compounded by the
irresponsible bias of some members of the press that is being bombarded on
Ankara.  This onslaught not only affects Turkey itself but Turkish
Nationals living throughout the globe.  The US is using the title of
operation “Shock and Awe” in Iraq the US press should title their attack
of Turkey as “Lie and Misinform”.  Ultimately the press can and will
report in a fashion that they feel is appropriate no matter how much it
offends me, but I have faith that those people who really know Turkey, its
history in relation to the US and most importantly the Turkish people will
see the truth and continue to voice their protests to the biased and
unfounded comments made by some irresponsible and unethical members of the
US press.

Sedef M Buyukataman <SedefMB@TurkishForum.com>
Turkish Forum
Istanbul, Turkiye

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Subject: Bill Safire a bir baska tepki


"Who's Wrong Turn" Mr. Safire?

Poyraz SAVCI
March 26, 2003, Istanbul, Türkiye
psavci@turk.net

Is it Turkey, or Mr. William Safire who made the wrong turn? I was so
tempted to drop a few lines in many Internet sites, which are packed with
loathsome messages and commentaries against your administration, but
something I do not recall kept me for so long. Now I know what kept me in
doing so; an "unintentional anticipation" for your orchestrated article
published in NYT on March 24, 2003. Oh, by the way; the only reason in
being late in responding to your article was to make up my mind, whether
to go over and tutor you on historical facts, which you have ignored and
insulted my Country, or rather to write what I have written below. I will
not mention your "Kurdish friends" here, as we call all the people living
in Turkey "Turks", people living in Iraq "Iraqis" Mr. Safire, just as you
would call your Polish friends of Polish descent "American". We in Turkey
always believed in the undisputed unity of not only Iraq, but every free
nation on earth. In short, the following is "not" a reprisal to your
article, but an outcry of anger to your twisting the realities, which you
very well aware of.


Reading your past and vast work, I have always found myself inclined to
considering you as "The Master Choreographer" in Washington's external
affairs. Thank you so much Mr. Safire in not letting me down. And finally
you are staging your latest but monstrous "scenario", "The New World
Order", on which you have worked for a very long time, more than 7
decades. You really had "the best" tutors in your "art" at the age of 30,
haven't you Mr. Safire? And the amount of publicity in promoting your own
"kitchen" (remember 1959) gave its toll.


But what I find so disgustingly fascinating about this scenario is not the
physical aspect of attacking a free country for the sake of saving the
people from oppression and dictatorship, but the way in which the process
has been introduced to the people of Iraq in particular and the world in
general. I am sorry but the way you introduced this cause to your
stereotype colleagues or `dropouts of Syracuse University' is not my
concern anyway.


A large majority of the global public opinion is changing direction these
days, as your one-sided attack on foreign country continues and
intensifies. Unfortunately, the "conspiracy theories" circulated worldwide
following the deplorable attacks on September 11th are now finding solid
ground Mr. Safire.


The only difference between the assaults of September 11th and the strike
on Iraq are the types of "weapons" used. One cannot stop thinking that the
September 11th attacks were the "introduction" phase of the scenario
called "The New World Order". And if the attack on Iraq (in your words,
Moments of Liberation) is the "development" or secondary phase of this
scenario, may God save the whole world from the final stage. Personally I
am not among those millions who contemplate on conspiracy theories.


In between all this hysteria, many people noticed the pressure put on CNN
International, by your administration. Among the many local and foreign TV
stations I kept watching, only CNN started its transmissions on Iraq last
Thursday with "Strike on Iraq" caption, which reflected the truth, but
changed it to "War in Iraq" on Monday. The other irony I want to point out
is the outcries of your administration regarding the tragic images of your
captive soldiers on some TV stations. I have to emphasize that I do detest
those or similar images and I sincerely share the feelings of their
families. Isn't it an incredible incongruity when your administration
blames these Arab TV stations, stating that they are violating the Geneva
Convention on Prisoners of War. Firstly, every logical human being knows
this is "not" a war but a "strike", and how can you blame them of
violating certain international conventions, when "you" not only violate
the United Nations but drop this organization into the gutter.


A human tragedy took place just as I was writing these lines, and I would
like to hear your justification on this bloodshed, Mr. Safire. The bombing
of a marketplace in downtown Baghdad ended in 14 innocent people dead and
more than 100 wounded. Was that particular bomb "not" a clever one or had
it just landed there by accident? Is this not a "disastrous PR" for
Washington and London? Now your administration or the other party of the
so-called "coalition" will simply pay condolences and excuse themselves.
Another move was the illegitimate bombing of a TV station, an act never
heard of before even in Vietnam or Serbia. Any logical justification for
these acts of aggression will only decrease my level of frustration. A
couple of "clever bombs" falling on Iran, others on Syria and Turkey.
Where next, according to your scenario Mr. Safire? Or is it just that you
have decided to cut short and switch to the final episode?


You really are enjoying the privilege of using an important Daily of the
American media to insult other people unjustly and unfairly Mr. Safire.
But it gives me some relief to know for certain that the majority of your
fellow citizens are not interested in highly sophisticated publications
and other similar media. As a 74 year-old intellectual and esteemed human
being with a vast experience in political, diplomatic and military
affairs, you Mr. Safire should be more responsible, guiding and mediating
in both local and global levels, as mentor to younger generations. Knowing
your past, I wish it were someone else to unearth the hidden personality
behind your intellectual specter.


I am sure you have read the article the Brazilian author Paulo Coelho
wrote on March 8, 2003 for Open Democracy. But if you haven't read it by
sheer ignorance or if it simply slipped your attention, I would like to
quote Mr. Coelho here:

"Thank you, great leader George W. Bush. Thank you for showing everyone
what a danger Saddam Hussein represents. Many of us might otherwise have
forgotten that he had used chemical weapons against his own people,
against the Kurds and against the Iranians. Hussein is a bloodthirsty
dictator and one of the clearest expressions of evil in today's world."

"But this is not my only reason for thanking you. During the first two
months of 2003, you have shown the world a great many other important
things and, therefore, deserve my gratitude. So, remembering a poem I
learned as a child, I want to say thank you. Thank you for showing
everyone that the Turkish people and their Parliament are not for sale,
not even for 26 billion dollars..…"

"…thank you for not listening to us and not taking us seriously, but know
that we are listening to you and that we will not forget your words."

(If you are somehow interested in the rest of this letter, you will find
it at: http://www.paulocuelho.com - Downloads section)


And finally; "Those who embark in a new direction and want to keep a bit
of the old life, wind up lacerated by their own past" (from Coelho's
"Maktub")

Post Script: I unwillingly gave up one of the 5 essentials of my religion,
"fasting" a long time ago, only because of the rotten politics of the
prejudiced, hard-core Islamic fundamentalists in my country. If I had only
been a youngster who had no vision in either local or global affairs, I
would perhaps have joined sides with "the new, Islamic-influenced
government of Recep Tayyip Erdogan" as you contemplate them, this time
simply because of the rotten wisdom of biased, hard-core Imperialistic
fundamentalists like yourself. Please do not regard the nations other than
yours and to some extent your coalition partner, as "banana republics".
And for God's sake, think twice before bluntly accusing, insulting and
degrading others. May God bless you Mr. Safire, and the Free World too…

Regards,


Poyraz SAVCI
Communications Specialist
March 26, 2003, Istanbul, Türkiye
psavci@turk.net

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Betty:
= I was removing a tick from Larry's arm and it broke off.  I'm digging the
= rest of it out now. I wish he would hold still.
=
= Betty

it would probably help if you didn't type at us at the same time.

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15:52 27.03.2003 -0500 skrev alyce cresap:
>Well, biopsy doctor finally called. I do have a malignant tumor of
>squamous cells. Haven't Googled for that yet. I have an appointment next
>Friday (April 4) with a new pulmonologist and on April 11 with an
>oncologist, both of whom are highly thought of. So, we have two more
>weeks till I learn of treatment or whatever. Wish it were sooner, but...

Again, my warmest wishes and fingers etc. crossed.

Espen

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16:58 27.03.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>From The Guardian:
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,923848,00.html

Or this one:

http://www.strangecosmos.com/read.adp?joke_id=4157

Espen

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BF Clark wrote:

> No, I don't remember.  Take a photo.

I think my batteries are dead.  Maybe later.

> I think I decapitated the tick.

Which got left in Larry, the cap or the corp?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> >From The Guardian:

lol. We may go on, asking whether it was the right Mr.Bush who was
elected as a President.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> lol. We may go on, asking whether it was the right Mr.Bush who was
> elected as a President.

:-)

I just read a good letter to the editor:

http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0303/28/l06.html

It's because I hang around with people like John Marzsalek (the person
who wrote the letter) that I remain baffled by who/where these
supposedly large numbers of pro-war people are.

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From: "alyce cresap" <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET>
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> Well, biopsy doctor finally called. I do have a malignant tumor of
> squamous cells. Haven't Googled for that yet. I have an appointment next
> Friday (April 4) with a new pulmonologist and on April 11 with an
> oncologist, both of whom are highly thought of. So, we have two more
> weeks till I learn of treatment or whatever. Wish it were sooner, but...
>
> --
> alyce
>

I am sorry to hear that it is malignant. Good luck.


alec

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CNN/Reuters: News reports have filtered out early this morning that
US forces have swooped on an Iraqi Primary School and detained 6th
Grade teacher Mohammed Al-Hazar. Sources indicate that, when
arrested, Al-Hazar was in possession of a ruler, a protractor, a set
square and a calculator. US President George W Bush argued that this
was clear and overwhelming evidence that Iraq indeed possessed
weapons of maths instruction.

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At 05:40 AM 3/28/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>BF Clark wrote:
>
> > No, I don't remember.  Take a photo.
>
>I think my batteries are dead.  Maybe later.
>
> > I think I decapitated the tick.
>
>Which got left in Larry, the cap or the corp?

The head?  He is still alive this morning and back on the golf course.

Betty

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>I remain baffled by who/where these
>supposedly large numbers of pro-war people are.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

First clue:  start looking off the university campus.


    --bonniev

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Friday, March 28, 2003, 8:20:17 AM, bonniev wrote:
>>I remain baffled by who/where these
>>supposedly large numbers of pro-war people are.
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

> First clue:  start looking off the university campus.

There are some on the campus here. But yes, I am surrounded by
them.

ET #3

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Hej!   Has anyone got SARS information...

I found this source whose tallies look up to date:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/EC29Ad06.html

I thought I heard on NPR news this AM that there were 4 suspected cases at
UCONN.

'Worrying about my babies...

'Regards, Alan

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09:26 28.03.2003 -0500 skrev Alan Wild:
>Hej!   Has anyone got SARS information...
>
>I found this source whose tallies look up to date:
>http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/EC29Ad06.html
>
>I thought I heard on NPR news this AM that there were 4 suspected cases at
>UCONN.
>
>'Worrying about my babies...

I have to walk across Sars street when I go to the nearest park.

Espen

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At 03:17 PM 3/27/2003 -0600, you wrote:

>>>        Do you think the old fat guy will show up in Maine?
>>
>>
>>Hmm I don't know.. do you think he can handle our increased cuteness? It
>>might be too much for his fat encased heart.
>
>        I don't know that the trip would be complete without a
>rendezvous with my hunka hunka burnin' pimp daddy.

I'm with you. I was disappointed when someone asked if he was going and he
said no.

lisa

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Alan Wild writes,

>Hej!   Has anyone got SARS information...

Here are the best sources:

<http://www.who.int/csr/sars/en/>
<http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/sars/>

Pete

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At 07:06 AM 3/28/2003 -0800, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>Alan Wild writes,
>
>>Hej!   Has anyone got SARS information...
>
>Here are the best sources:
>
><http://www.who.int/csr/sars/en/>
><http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/sars/>
>
>Pete

We are going to postpone our trip to China.  Sorry that we cut our trip to
Maine short now but I can't change reservations without great expense.  We
may have to check out Alaska or Hawaii instead, I guess.

Betty

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At 04:45 PM 3/27/2003 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>It would be cool, except Villanova is not one of the four. ND, UConn, Pitt
>and Syracuse would make an interesting final four.
>
>alec

UCONN!!!!!

As much as I like my Huskie's, I'm not sure the men have what it takes to
make it to the final 4 this year. They're play has been so/so this season.

lisa

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At 06:07 PM 3/27/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-03-27 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> > <excitement>
> > OH MY GOD I CANNOT BELIEVE IT.. I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE AGREED
> > WITH TUSHAR.
> > </end excitement>
>
>What about the time when you slobbed me down in what amounts
>to a physically threatening manner? Possibly it was because
>you disagreed with me?

Once again I have no idea what you're talking about.

lisa

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At 07:01 PM 3/27/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> >
> > I was removing a tick from Larry's arm and it broke off.  I'm digging the
> > rest of it out now. I wish he would hold still.
>
>Remember when I discovered a tick or spider or something burrowed in
>between my boobs?  It's coming up on a year now, and it's still red and
>itchy much of the time.  Who is not holding still?  Larry or the tick
>parts?
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Isn't a red ring at the site of a tick bite a sign of Lyme Disease?

lisa

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Well, so much for that fantasy (ABEF4).  UConn and Pitt are out.

BrP



> At 04:45 PM 3/27/2003 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
> >It would be cool, except Villanova is not one of the four. ND, UConn, Pitt
> >and Syracuse would make an interesting final four.
> >
> >alec
>
> UCONN!!!!!
>
> As much as I like my Huskie's, I'm not sure the men have what it takes to
> make it to the final 4 this year. They're play has been so/so this season.
>
> lisa

Paul R. Barfoot
Special Collections
Syracuse University Library

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And ND!

YaY.

Betty

At 10:45 AM 3/28/2003 -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>Well, so much for that fantasy (ABEF4).  UConn and Pitt are out.
>
>BrP
>
>
>
> > At 04:45 PM 3/27/2003 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> >
> > >It would be cool, except Villanova is not one of the four. ND, UConn, Pitt
> > >and Syracuse would make an interesting final four.
> > >
> > >alec
> >
> > UCONN!!!!!
> >
> > As much as I like my Huskie's, I'm not sure the men have what it takes to
> > make it to the final 4 this year. They're play has been so/so this season.
> >
> > lisa
>
>Paul R. Barfoot
>Special Collections
>Syracuse University Library

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>
> We are going to postpone our trip to China.  Sorry that we cut our
trip to
> Maine short now but I can't change reservations without great expense.
We
> may have to check out Alaska or Hawaii instead, I guess.
>
> Betty


That reminds me, I've been going to mention this
to all of you.

I can get you a condo in our building in Honolulu
in April, May, September or October for $88 per night.
One bedroom, kitchen, living room with pull-out sofa,
and lanai.  It probably will not be my unit, but a
similar one.  One long block from the main Waikiki
beach.  Wonderful location.  Sixth floor deck in the
building has tennis courts, swimming pool, sauna, hot tub,
playground, barbecue equipment.  Parking space included,
if you rent a car.

I can book it for you if you're interested, at this
special "owner's rate".  Normally Aston charges
close to $150 - 200 per night.Write if you have questions.

Wish I were there now.

                  - D. M.

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On Friday, March 28, 2003 at 9:26, Alan Wild wrote:

> Hej!   Has anyone got SARS information...
>
> I found this source whose tallies look up to date:
> http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/EC29Ad06.html
>
> I thought I heard on NPR news this AM that there were 4 suspected cases at
> UCONN.
>
> 'Worrying about my babies...

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030328.esars0328/BNS
tory

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030328.ubugg0328/BNS
tory/National

Tony H.

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Friday, March 28, 2003, 10:37:56 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> I'm listed twice.  Once from the phone book and once from the "Descendants of
> Francis Bushnell" list.  I'm not sure how you could get unlisted if your phone number
> appears anywhere on the net because google just searches your number like any
> other string of characters.

Yes, if it's listed on the net elsewhere, you'd have to remove
that listing.

ET #3

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On Thursday, March 27, 2003 at 16:58, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> From The Guardian:
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,923848,00.html

Is it just me, or do those two little ads of the guy with the
lightsabre on the Guardian site look like the stereotypical outline
of Saddam Hussein?

Tony H.

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This was sent to me as George Carlin's but I don't
know where they got it.  Sure sounds like GC.
George  loves to play with words.  He should
be on words-l.  (Boy, that would liven things up!)

                - D. M.



The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings,
but shorter tempers; wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints.
We spend more, but have less; we buy more, but enjoy less.
We have bigger houses and smaller families; more conveniences,
but less time. We have more degrees but less sense; more
knowledge, but less judgment; more experts, yet more problems;
more medicine, but less wellness.

We drink too much, smoke too much, spend too recklessly,
laugh too little, drive too fast, get too angry, stay up too late,
get up too tired, read too little, watch TV too much, and pray
too seldom. We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced
our values. We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too
often. We've learned how to make a living, but not a life. We've
added years to life not life to years. We've been all the way to
the moon and back, but have trouble crossing the street to meet
a new neighbor. We conquered outer space but not inner space.
We've done larger things, but not better things. We've cleaned
up the air, but polluted the soul. We've conquered the atom,
but not our prejudice. We write more, but learn less. We plan
more, but accomplish less. We've learned to rush, but not to wait.
We build more computers to hold more information, to produce
more copies than ever, but we communicate less and less.
These are the times of fast foods and slow digestion, big men
and small character, steep profits and shallow relationships.
These are days of two incomes but more divorce, fancier houses,
but broken homes. These are days of quick trips, disposable
diapers, throwaway morality, one night stands, overweight bodies,
and pills that do everything from cheer, to quiet, to kill. It is a time
when there is much in the showroom window and nothing in the
stockroom.

A time when technology can bring this letter to you, and a time
when you can choose either to share this insight, or to just hit
delete

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oops I meant ND and Pitt

UConn plays tonight

BrP



> And ND!
>
> YaY.
>
> Betty
>
> At 10:45 AM 3/28/2003 -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> >Well, so much for that fantasy (ABEF4).  UConn and Pitt are out.
> >
> >BrP
> >
> >
> >
> > > At 04:45 PM 3/27/2003 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> > >
> > > >It would be cool, except Villanova is not one of the four. ND, UConn, Pitt
> > > >and Syracuse would make an interesting final four.
> > > >
> > > >alec
> > >
> > > UCONN!!!!!
> > >
> > > As much as I like my Huskie's, I'm not sure the men have what it takes to
> > > make it to the final 4 this year. They're play has been so/so this season.
> > >
> > > lisa
> >
> >Paul R. Barfoot
> >Special Collections
> >Syracuse University Library

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> >I remain baffled by who/where these
> >supposedly large numbers of pro-war people are.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> First clue:  start looking off the university campus.
>
>
>     --bonniev
>

Walk around a VA hospital where my office is located.


alec

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> We are going to postpone our trip to China.  Sorry that we cut our trip to
> Maine short now but I can't change reservations without great expense.  We
> may have to check out Alaska or Hawaii instead, I guess.
>
> Betty
>

Bummer on the China trip. Sounded like a fun trip.


alec

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Friday, March 28, 2003, 10:11:17 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
> I can get you a condo in our building in Honolulu
> in April, May, September or October for $88 per night.

Those are the best times! Not too hot, not too cold.

ET #3

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I don't think we talked about this, but now Google will provide
you with a name, address, and map to someone's house if you input
the phone number in the search text box.

If you don't want your number listed, you can requiest to have it
removed at http://www.google.com/help/pbremoval.html.

ET #3

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Friday, March 28, 2003, 10:31:12 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> Someone else sent me this earlier today. She said she tried it and it
> worked. I tried with both my home and cell phone numbers and it did not
> work. Supposedly your home phone number has to be listed.

Of course--that's how they get the numbers. But it's one thing to
be listed in a local phone book, and quite another to be listed
in a national directory.

ET #3

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I'm listed twice.  Once from the phone book and once from the "Descendants of
Francis Bushnell" list.  I'm not sure how you could get unlisted if your phone number
appears anywhere on the net because google just searches your number like any
other string of characters.



BrP



> Friday, March 28, 2003, 10:31:12 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> > Someone else sent me this earlier today. She said she tried it and it
> > worked. I tried with both my home and cell phone numbers and it did not
> > work. Supposedly your home phone number has to be listed.
>
> Of course--that's how they get the numbers. But it's one thing to
> be listed in a local phone book, and quite another to be listed
> in a national directory.
>
> ET #3

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The reason I like my doctor is because he tells me stories.
  They are necessarily short ones, except during my well
woman visits, when he has time to tell more involved stories
while poking and probing.  They range from little details
about strange patient cases he had, to stories about his
teenaged son, to conversations about the abused children he
examines out in rural parts of the state (we commiserate as
I've discovered and had to report several cases of abuse
this year among my students).

Today I realized that I've probably become one of his
stories.  When he prescribed the INH for the TB, he told me
that he'd only ever had one little old lady turn yellow from
it -- I bet he isn't saying that anymore when he prescribes
the stuff -- or at least he adds the middle-aged school
teacher to the tale. He's also told me about a patient he
had that presented all kinds of weird symptoms all the time
that he could never figure out; an autopsy finally revealed
that her husband had been poisoning her with very small
doses of rat poison for many, many years (I told him to
mention it to my husband next time he was in ;)).  I'm
hoping I get to be the strange patient with the blood
pressure that just wouldn't come down that he (and the
urologist, whose expression was simply priceless when he
looked at my chart) just couldn't figure out.  Of course,
I'm waiting for the end of the story when he does discover
the problem.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Thanks Pete...  no confirmation on UCONN though, huh?





Alan Wild writes,

>Hej!   Has anyone got SARS information...

Here are the best sources:

<http://www.who.int/csr/sars/en/>
<http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/sars/>

Pete

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>I don't think we talked about this, but now Google will provide
>you with a name, address, and map to someone's house if you input
>the phone number in the search text box.
>ET #3

They've got the right neighborhood but the wrong house for us.


    --bonniev

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At 10:23 AM 3/28/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>I don't think we talked about this, but now Google will provide
>you with a name, address, and map to someone's house if you input
>the phone number in the search text box.
>
>If you don't want your number listed, you can requiest to have it
>removed at http://www.google.com/help/pbremoval.html.
>
>ET #3

Someone else sent me this earlier today. She said she tried it and it
worked. I tried with both my home and cell phone numbers and it did not
work. Supposedly your home phone number has to be listed.If your search
doesn't produce results you don't need to have your name removed from the
database.

lisa

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BF Clark wrote:

> The head?  He is still alive this morning and back on the golf course.

Larry or the tick?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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I've somehow managed to work my way far enough down my book
pile to justify a new order from Amazon:

Atonement, McEwan (finally in pb)
Tess of the D'Urbervilles, Hardy (re-read)
Reservation Blues, Alexie (eval. for English 10 class)
The Art of Travel, de Botton (he reminds me of early Julian
Barnes)
Sailing around the Room, Collins

I was getting annoyed with the Amazon recommendations
because most of them I already own... and then it struck me
that perhaps my taste is getting too orthodox.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Of course--that's how they get the numbers. But it's one thing to
> be listed in a local phone book, and quite another to be listed
> in a national directory.

I thought all local listings were also national in that that was how
places like switchboard.com got their numbers -- from local phone books.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Karen:
>>in April, May, September or October for $88 per night.
>Those are the best times! Not too hot, not too cold.

It gets hot and/or cold on Oahu?

I was misinformed.

--
R. Blaine

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At 11:10 AM 3/28/2003 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> > We are going to postpone our trip to China.  Sorry that we cut our trip to
> > Maine short now but I can't change reservations without great expense.  We
> > may have to check out Alaska or Hawaii instead, I guess.
> >
> > Betty
> >
>
>Bummer on the China trip. Sounded like a fun trip.

We still hope to go in the future.

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>the stuff -- or at least he adds the middle-aged school
>>teacher to the tale.
>>
>
> You're not yet middle-aged, are you?  Doesn't middle age start at
> something like 40?
>
Then what am I?


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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alyce cresap wrote:

> Well, I take pain pills every four hours, so I feel fine in that regard.
>
> > Are you still as tired as before?
>
> Pretty fatigued and apt to get breathless more readily than 4-5 months
> ago.
>
> alyce

:(

I hope you'll get the best treatment, and that it will help.

Kristin

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Friday, March 28, 2003, 10:51:58 AM, no straight, chaser wrote:
> Karen:
>>>in April, May, September or October for $88 per night.
>>Those are the best times! Not too hot, not too cold.

> It gets hot and/or cold on Oahu?

> I was misinformed.

I'm one of the misguided people who actually believes there are
'seasons' in Hawaii, so I can't be trusted.

ET #3

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> the stuff -- or at least he adds the middle-aged school
> teacher to the tale.

You're not yet middle-aged, are you?  Doesn't middle age start at
something like 40?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > Mr.Bush who was
> > elected as a President.
>
> There is a question in many minds if any Mr. Bush, right or not, was
> elected. Some say he was appointed.

Oh, yes, that's another problem. Or is it? It seemed to me after the
election that most of you were of the opinion of these "some".

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
> lol. We may go on, asking whether it was the right Mr.Bush who was
> elected as a President.

There is a question in many minds if any Mr. Bush, right or not, was
elected. Some say he was appointed.

alyce

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At 10:53 AM 3/28/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>BF Clark wrote:
>
> > The head?  He is still alive this morning and back on the golf course.
>
>Larry or the tick?

Probably both.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> They've got the right neighborhood but the wrong house for us.
>
NO map for me. No driving instructions.

alyce

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In a message dated 3/28/2003 9:47:50 AM, dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

<< This was sent to me as George Carlin's but I don't

know where they got it.  Sure sounds like GC.

George  loves to play with words.  He should

be on words-l.  (Boy, that would liven things up!)

 >>

Wonderful, loved it!  Theo

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>There is a question in many minds if any
>Mr. Bush, right or not, was elected.

***  YAWN  ***

These "minds" must be encased in pin-shaped
heads.

"Each state shall appoint, in such manner
as the Legislature thereof may direct, a
number of electors..."

If you don't like the way it works, amend
the fucking thing.

--
Richard              C<->G  A<->T

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In a message dated 3/28/2003 10:17:28 AM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<< Then what am I? >>

You're a woman, period. I hate these labels that are used. Theo

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In a message dated 3/28/2003 10:25:50 AM, Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:

<< I hope you'll get the best treatment, and that it will help.
 >>

With all these good thoughts going her way, how could it not help?
Theo

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I thought I would pop in to badger Clyde, heh heh, about
Kentucky's squeaker last night over his beloved Wisconsin.  Our
season may be over with senior leader Keith Bogans's ankle
sprain.  His status for the Marquette game Saturday is still
uncertain, and Daddy and I have been monitoring the airwaves
constantly for the latest news.

One anecdote:  I was in the waiting room at my dentist's office
yesterday afternoon and innocently picked up the nearest magazine
(turned face down).  It was a copy of "On Wisconsin", the UW
alumni glossy, and probably a planted prank.  My heart sank in
deep superstitious glum, although I got a lot of mileage out of
the story.  And I saved the magazine, despite vowing to burn it
in the backyard.  Shall I ship it to you, Clyde?  It's the spring
03 issue.

I don't have any informed predictions like Clyde would have, but
if Kentucky can't make it, I'm for Kansas or Syracuse with their
too-many-times-frustrated coaches.  Hell, I like Auburn too.
Haven't seen Texas.  etc. etc.

brad

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From:
http://www.raelity.org/archives/society/literature/books_in_print_woul
dnt_fit.html

Sat, 22 Mar 2003

An odd thing happened on my way to buy a book at my local Barnes and
Noble.

Yes, yes, before you go and point it out, any story that starts out
this way is almost certainly my fault.

    Me: Can you tell me who the author of ______ is?
    Retailer: I can't.
    Me: Well, can you look it up?
    Retailer: I can't. Our computers are down.
    Me: Ah. Well, can I take a gander at your Books in Print.
    Retailer: [Smirks] We don't have a list of all the books in
print. We wouldn't be able to fit it in the store.
    Me: In fact you would. We had these great big volumes and then
later microfiche when I worked in a bookstore a number of years back.
    Retailer: Do you know how many books that would be?
    Me: Lots, I do believe you. But the fact remains that Books in
Print is indeed a real thing.
    Retailer: Well, we don't have it. We have computers instead.
    Me: Apparently not.

[Only ever so slightly paraphrased.]

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> To the people living there it gets hot and cold.

Below zero is cold.
Above one hundred is hot.

Non-USAns, please convert these values
to Celcius.

Thank you.

--
G.D. Fahrenheit

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Friday, March 28, 2003, 12:47:58 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> To the people living there it gets hot and cold.
> They put on sweaters and shivver when a little
> wind comes up and the temp drops to 70.

For me, it was below 70. I could immediately tell when it was
69.5, I'd have to put on a sweater. I wore sweaters more in
Honolulu than I have anywhere else in my life except Sterling
Library at Yale.

> To people going there the temperatures do not
> seem notable, usually, although it may be a
> little cooler in the winter months (delicious),
> and it may be warmest in the fall.  Most of the
> time the weather is pretty predictable.

The rain is unpredictable.

ET #3

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Bread, cheese, tomatoes, and olives.

ET #3

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Doris:
> True.  It moves in and out on a whim, leaving
> rainbows.  I love it when it rains there.

You're not kidding.  I saw the first (and
only) double rainbow in my life in Hawaii.
It was so clear it even even shows up in
a picture.

I was so excited I nearly forgot to check
the truth of the 40/50 degrees thing.

--
"It's physics, see?"

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > You're not yet middle-aged, are you?  Doesn't middle age start at
> > something like 40?
> >
> Then what am I?

Young.  Haven't we discussed this before?  Aren't the usual categories
childhood (up to 20 or so -- and often split into subcategories like
infant, toddler, child, teenager), young (roughly 20-40 -- I think some
people say 45), middle-aged (roughly 40-60 or maybe 45-65), elderly --
aka senior, old, etc. (60 or 65 - death)?

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Brad Grissom wrote:

> I don't have any informed predictions like Clyde would have, but
> if Kentucky can't make it, I'm for Kansas or Syracuse with their
> too-many-times-frustrated coaches.  Hell, I like Auburn too.
> Haven't seen Texas.  etc. etc.

Auburn is very weak.  I was amazed that they were in the tournament at
all.  I'm betting on Butler, btw.

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At 10:50 AM 3/28/2003 -0500, Brad Grissom wrote:
>I thought I would pop in to badger Clyde, heh heh, about
>Kentucky's squeaker last night over his beloved Wisconsin.  Our
>season may be over with senior leader Keith Bogans's ankle
>sprain.

Wisco played a strong game---probably pushed KY more than most teams---but
they had no answer for Estill.

>   His status for the Marquette game Saturday is still
>uncertain,

Marquette played well; I also like the "Al" tags on their shirts---nice
touch.  They refused to be intimidated by Pitt.  I'd like to know was
behind Zavackas's meltdown---from the report this morning, he refused to go
back in after being "rested" after his third foul.  From what I saw, he was
playing out of control---I figured that sooner or later, he was going to
hurt someone; I was surprised that the refs didn't hit him with a couple of
flagrant fouls.  Marquette-KY ought to be a good game.

>Shall I ship it to you, Clyde?  It's the spring
>03 issue.

No, thanks anyway.  I try to stay away from alumni stuff.


>I don't have any informed predictions like Clyde would have, but
>if Kentucky can't make it, I'm for Kansas or Syracuse with their
>too-many-times-frustrated coaches.

Well, I'm rooting for Butler tonight.  All four games should be
good.  Seeing Williams or Boeheim win one would be nice.  What really
pleases me is that the vaunted SEC is down to their one class team, plus a
bunch of overachievers from Auburn who apparently know how to play
tournament ball---and that the ACC is gone.  Refreshing.  Think how
refreshing a Butler-Marquette final would be.  However, it tooks like
Arizona may have awakened.

cwv

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02003-03-28 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> At 06:07 PM 3/27/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-27 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> >> <excitement>
> >> OH MY GOD I CANNOT BELIEVE IT.. I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE
> >AGREED
> >> WITH TUSHAR.
> >> </end excitement>
> >
> >What about the time when you slobbed me down in what amounts
> >to a physically threatening manner? Possibly it was because
> >you disagreed with me?
>
> Once again I have no idea what you're talking about.

Uh huh

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At 02:38 PM 3/28/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
Marquette played well; I also like the "Al" tags on their shirts---nice
>touch.  They refused to be intimidated by Pitt.  I'd like to know [[what]] was
>behind Zavackas's meltdown--

hmmph.

cwv

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> Friday, March 28, 2003, 10:51:58 AM, no straight, chaser wrote:
> > Karen:
> >>>in April, May, September or October for $88 per night.
> >>Those are the best times! Not too hot, not too cold.
>
> > It gets hot and/or cold on Oahu?
>
> > I was misinformed.

To the people living there it gets hot and cold.
They put on sweaters and shivver when a little
wind comes up and the temp drops to 70.

To people going there the temperatures do not
seem notable, usually, although it may be a
little cooler in the winter months (delicious),
and it may be warmest in the fall.  Most of the
time the weather is pretty predictable.

              - D. M.

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Subject: Re:      Re: SARS anyone?
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>
> > To people going there the temperatures do not
> > seem notable, usually, although it may be a
> > little cooler in the winter months (delicious),
> > and it may be warmest in the fall.  Most of the
> > time the weather is pretty predictable.
>
> The rain is unpredictable.
>
> ET #3

True.  It moves in and out on a whim, leaving
rainbows.  I love it when it rains there.

                   - D. M.

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Where's the garlic ?????????


BrP





> Bread, cheese, tomatoes, and olives.
>
> ET #3

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Is Dubya so badly dubbed??

Oh, he's better now. For a minute there, his speech was lagging
behind his mouth.

ET#3

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Friday, March 28, 2003, 1:44:42 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> Where's the garlic ?????????

In the olives.


>> Bread, cheese, tomatoes, and olives.
>>
>> ET #3

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Well boys and girls _ i'm off to the land of Green Mountains and maple syrup - hence
I'm nomail until Monday.  Be good

BrP

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"TO BE GREAT IS TO BE MISUNDERSTOOD"OR
 A LESSON TO THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW US

(An Editorial)

Mahmut Esat Ozan
Chairman Editorial Board
The Turkish Forum

Let me explain why I decided to use a title I had used previously in
another essay of mine earlier. I wanted everyone to understand that I,
too, was disturbed by things which happened in Turkey recently. I, too,
wanted to vent my frustrations and write reams of articles to criticize
the lack of political experience, and the inanity of the new government.
I, too, wanted to employ severe adjectives in describing their mis
handling or better yet, their lack of savvy in handling themselves in the
bargaining phase of the talks with the U.S. officials, including the
President of the United States of America. But I am not going to do
anything of the sort. Because, at this juncture in our history, we need to
keep ourselves away from a destructive mode, and try to convince ourselves
and the world at large, first that Turkiye is not at the precipice of an
abyss, nor is it the end of the world for us Turks. Above all, we should
be telling our detractors who are lying in ambush waiting for an opportune
moment to sneak up on us and destroy what our savior and great leader has
given us, the country that he had envisioned in his mind.  His inimitable
speeches, and the words he pronounced to the Turkish youth on several
occasions will suffice for us to stop to think that we do not have to be
lectured by the likes of William Saphire and others to change our course
in the middle of the stream. We have a long way to go, and a long and
inexhaustible strength to draw from.

"ESCAPING FROM THE RAIN"

We have a proverb in our language which says:" while trying to escape from
the rain one may get caught in a hail storm." That's exactly what happened
to Turkiye. But storms are not of permanent nature, they pass away. This
one's bound to pass also. We may soon behold a silver lining appearing on
the horizon. Turks are the proud descendents of 16 different large and
small statehoods in history. They go back 4 thousand years or more. Their
roots are deeply imbedded in the world history. It's not possible to
uproot them so easily. Tomorrow will come. There won't be any Iraq war
left. But Turkiye will be there forever.

The title of this essay: "TO BE GREAT IS TO BE MISUNDERSTOOD" is the
reconfirmation of some of my ideas presented in a previous article I had
written on another occasion. But it so happens that destiny awards the
Turks with several of these occasions, and we repeat ourselves, it seems.
The words in the above title belong to the famous American essayist,
philosopher and poet Ralph Waldo Emerson, who died the same year Mustafa
Kemal was born. Obviously, Emerson never had the opportunity to be
acquainted with this great man who assumed later on the title of
"Ataturk," the father of the Turks. Ataturk was a true optimist, and
remained so all his life. By believing in the positive aspects of things,
and of people, and discarding the negative encumbrances blocking his way,
he succeeded in every struggle he embarked upon.

Emerson , also, was an optimist of sorts. The passage below is attributed
to him. The eminent essayist once uttered the following : " The pessimist
sees only the dark side of the clouds and mopes; the philosopher sees both
sides and shrugs; an optimist, however, does not see the clouds at all- he
is simply walking on them."


TURKS  HAVE MANY REASONS YET
TO BE  OPTIMISTS FOR THEIR FUTURE

As Turkish people, we may find ourselves in a quandary lately.  But, most
of the time, when things look a little hazy as they are now, and even
bleak at times, and when the actions of our historical antagonists, such
as the Greeks and the Armenians, as covetous and intolerant of us Turks as
they are, begin to bother us, we always find a way to thwart their
irritating drift. Even though we, as Turkish-Americans, are the smallest
of all the minorities in this land, and our voice is relatively miniscule,
our resolve to defend ourselves against those "deadly-serious" detractors
is on the increase. Now it seems we have to defend ourselves against the
American media attacka. This is a catalyst which propels us Turks and
gives us the strength to uphold our rights. This is what we've been
achievinng, confronting daily these relentless adversaries entrenched in
political skullduggery.  In spite of the fact that our numbers are small,
and our purse strings are somewhat tight, especially when we were strong
enough to refuse billions of U.S. dollars, we are still holding our own.

Some may say we have saved our 'pride' but squandered our economy and our
future opportunities. Since there is no doubt left that Turkey now is a
viable democracy everyone's opinion has to be respected.  On the opposite
side we have formidable enemies.  Yet many see us as the personification
of the legendary Paul Bunyan, or in the religious sense, David who slew
the colossal Goliath. That should mean that we must possess his inner
strength and determination. Our goal is clear, and we know we'll win our
just cause.

WHAT'S IN A NAME?

We are now approaching the end of March of the year 2003. Our battle is
being fought on multiple fronts.  The country is totally opposed to a
protracted war. It looks as if we were in dire straights, though this is
not new to us since the Turkish nation had endured similar conditions when
dealing with the Allies during the 1920's, when trying to establish the
Turkish Republic. The great Ataturk's address to the Turkish youth which I
mentioned above is replete with such references. Nowadays the bulk of our
foes is temporarily acquiescent to their traditional themes but at the
same time quiet, I'm sure there will be a time they will again become
visibly active and vociferous against us. The emboldened Kurds represent
now, as they did in the past, a large portion of our worries. They are of
late being complemented by a super power who is determined to win a war
with the help of the Northern Iraqi population of Kurdish heritage who
still may harbor in their hearts the desire of helping their Separatist
brothers, the PKK. Their human rights 'darlings', headed by Madame
Danielle Mitterrand , the aging Mata Hari is still trying to compound our
dilemma. If you add to this unholy conglomerate, some of the uninformed
Ashkenazi Jews, such as the New York Times' so-called 'pundit' William
Saphire, the cloudy picture begins to jell.  Few Ashkenazi Jews unlike
their counterparts, the Safardic Jews from Turkey and the Middle East, are
mostly from Germany, central Europe and some from the old Czarist Russia.
They have no affinity towards the Turks, because they did not live with
them as the Saphardic Jews did.  They have little or no knowledge of the
fact, which were repeated in these columns on countless occasions so that
they should learn the genuine history, that it was the Turkish Sultans who
had opened the "gates" of vast Turkish empire and welcomed the unfortunate
Jewry who were escaping Spain and Portugal during the 15th century
Inquisitions.  This truly magnanimous offer was being made to them, at a
time when all prominent European Christian Kingdoms had refused to accept
them into their countries.

A HISTORY LESSON FOR A POPULAR PUNDIT

Mr. William Saphire, an Ashkenazi Jew living in this country, has long
been supportive of the above-mentioned adversaries, of the Turks , now he
discovered even the Peshmerge, simply because he has never learned to
respect the Turkish people.  He does not know that the land of the Turks
was the only place on earth that his kin did not have to live in Ghettos .
In the 1490's Turks not only invited the Jews into the Ottoman lands, they
even sent ships to carry them gratis to all parts of the empire. They were
free to settle anywhere they wished to do so. The Turkish Jewish
friendship has lasted 5 centuries, and it is still going strong.  Of
course, Mr. William Saphire may not know any of these verities.

He and the staff of the New York Times should learn that if we add to this
premise, the recent close relationship established between Turkey and the
State of Israel, we understand the depth of affinity between Turks and
Jews.  For it was Turkey, the first and only Muslim nation, which
recognized Israel's independence in 1948.  Yet the world at large still
has difficulty in understanding these tolerant people. Nine out of ten
among the inhabitants of the globe could side up with the Armenians on the
question of the so-called genocide.  Could the exemplary samplings
illustrated above ever possibly represent the philosophy of life and the
actions of a nation, or a race, prone to commit those most heinous
genocidal crimes ?

Every time we have to go through the necessity of speaking the truth as it
is attested by honest historians, our words assume the appearance of a
lengthy lesson.  But someone has to explain these phases of history, which
have been totally distorted in the United States by groups extremely
hostile to Turks since the early Seventies.

WHY ARE WE
MISUNDERSTOOD?

The rift that has developed between the Turkish Republic and her veteran
ally of at least fifty years has come as a shock to everyone.  There is
enough ground to cover when it comes to the mistakes committed by both
sides. But we must put all that happened behind us and plough through the
difficulties that stymie us. We Turks know that it is not enough to say
that we are misunderstood because we're great. I think not. There must be
other answers to that perennial question asked by a myriad of Turks and
the many friends of theirs for a long period of time.  I could picture in
my mind many groups of expert psychiatrists laboring in conjunction with
other groups of renowned clinical psychoanalysts working over the question
of "Why Turks are misunderstood ." None of them will be able to come up
with a satisfactory answer to their inquiry.

The world is full of bizarre beliefs and odd conceptions.  With the
exception of the Jewish people in the long history of the world, there has
been no other ethnic assemblage of people but the Turks who fall under
this category of being misunderstood.  Turks have been the "scapegoat" of
governments, nations, states, individuals and/or groups . No one I know
hates the Ugandans because of Idi Amin who butchered over 150 thousand of
his people before he took refuge in Saudi Arabia. I don't know of anyone
speaking in ill-willed fashion about the Iranians, even though the late
Ayetollah Khomeini hanged over a hundred thousand dissidents just a decade
or so ago.

Do you know of anyone speaking disparagingly about the Philippine people
because there was a bloody dictator called Ferdinand Marcos in their past?
I don't. The Greek 'November 17 terrorists movement assassinated to date,
over 36 innocent victims in Greece, among them 7 American citizens,
Ambassadors, and Military officers . Nonetheless, we don't hear of anyone
speaking injuriously of Greeks. What about the Armenians who purified the
Caucasus of 2,5 million Muslims in the Twenties and their terrorist
organization called ASALA which murdered dozens of Turkish diplomats in
broad daylight, as I alluded to earlier. Have you read a belittling,
demeaning or discrediting word on any Armenian? I truly cannot recall.

What I recall is an unfortunate babysitter, Ms. Gulertekin in Columbus,
Ohio who was sentenced to 8 prison years in house arrest with electronic
shackles. Her crime was shaking a suffocating tot too severely while
trying to save his life.  She has not tasted freedom ever since because
her bail bond was an astronomical 10 million dollars. I have also heard of
a notorious Armenian terrorist caught red handed with a storage depot full
of explosives and ammunition. The bomb he had manufactured had allegedly
exploded in front of the Turkish office, wounding three passers- bye in
New York city. The Armenian Lobby and deep pocketed supporters have found
a way of freeing him from jail . You might think that terrorist Murad
Topalian's bail bond was perhaps twice as much as Ms. Gulertekin's, right?
Think again. He paid a mere 100 thousand dollars and he was free as a bird
for a long time before his incarceration at the end.  I guess they prefer
Armenians over Turks in this democratic nation.

THE IRAQI WAR AWAKENED MANY

There can be dozens of other illustrations such as these.  We Turks feel
as if we were constantly defending ourselves as if we were in a court of
law. If that is not the case, at least we have to defend ourselves within
the public opinion of the American people.  We're talking about the future
of our existence.  The United States is our country, too . We should be
able to live here in a decent fashion within the rights granted to us
under the Constitution of the United States, as they are granted to all
other citizens. We have the right to be free of not being constantly
indicted with an ad nauseam slue of concocted mythical fables . We are
fighting for an existence in which every Turk will have the right to
demand to be treated fairly, and justly, devoid of unacceptable
dictatorship of the pressand TV network's talking heads in particular
which tried to portray the Turkish nation comprised of money-grabbing
avaricious individuals ready to rip off every penny that the Uncle Sam
had. The U.S. visual and print Media backed these TV networks with their
insulting cartoons of unfriendly political hacks and supported them
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>You're not yet middle-aged, are you?  Doesn't middle age start at
>>>something like 40?
>>>
>>>
>>Then what am I?
>>
>
> Young.  Haven't we discussed this before?  Aren't the usual categories
> childhood (up to 20 or so -- and often split into subcategories like
> infant, toddler, child, teenager), young (roughly 20-40 -- I think some
> people say 45), middle-aged (roughly 40-60 or maybe 45-65), elderly --
> aka senior, old, etc. (60 or 65 - death)?


http://www.middleage.org/definition.shtml





--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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At 02:59 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>You're not yet middle-aged, are you?  Doesn't middle age start at
>>>>something like 40?
>>>>
>>>Then what am I?
>>
>>Young.  Haven't we discussed this before?  Aren't the usual categories
>>childhood (up to 20 or so -- and often split into subcategories like
>>infant, toddler, child, teenager), young (roughly 20-40 -- I think some
>>people say 45), middle-aged (roughly 40-60 or maybe 45-65), elderly --
>>aka senior, old, etc. (60 or 65 - death)?
>
>
>http://www.middleage.org/definition.shtml
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita


Lisa's Definition:

Under 20 = Kid

21-25 = Young Adult

26-50 = Adult

51-70 = Middle Age

71-80 = Older

81- 90 = Old

91-100 = Pretty Old

100+ = Really Old

Death = does it really matter.

I will say that there are a good bunch of folks in their 80s that I would
never label as old. Most of them are people I work out along side of at the Y.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> http://www.middleage.org/definition.shtml

I must confess to not reading the whole thing since I was finding it
pretty boring (and couldn't see why the writer thought "middle age" was
considered negative) and since it wasn't really about how these labels
are normally used.  I think we when discussed this before, Marie posted
the medical definitions.  Middle age was something like 40-65, I
think.

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:35:14 -0600
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http://tinyurl.com/84qp

Karen

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I am still convinced that I was correct in saying that the majority of
USAers had never even heard of blogs a month or so ago.  But I think
this insane war is helping change that:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/28/iraq/main546622.shtml

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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So this afternoon I met my Fiber Friend again. She gave some spun
wool... I can't remember the name of the place it comes from, but
it's the same wool that the cloaks for Lord of the Rings were
made out of. It's the most amazing stuff I've ever seen. This is
a small hank, too small to do anything with, I think, but just
looking at it gives me intense pleasure. The depth of color is
amazing--I keep repeating that word. Each strand of 'gray' has at
least 25 different shades, ranging from a black to a shimmering
white, in it.

The thing that impressed me the most is that it wasn't that
expensive--it was $65 for a whole fleece. Including shipping from
the North Sea.

I saw a bunch of other stuff, too--including mohair, which she
tells me is cheap in Texas.

I'm beginning to get the hang of spinning, but I am NOT
coordinated. I now have wool with short fibers, wool with long
fibers, and some merino mix to practice with. (Separately--not
together. They are brown, grey, and white respectively.)

We've hooked the barrista at the coffee shop we meet at into
spinning... She's a drum maker and rock hound.

GOD I LOVE THIS TOWN!!!!

Karen

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        God, I am so bored with this topic.  OK, I'm a YOUNG WOMAN.
I'm a fucking spring chicken.  Happy?


Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>http://www.middleage.org/definition.shtml
>>
>
> I must confess to not reading the whole thing since I was finding it
> pretty boring (and couldn't see why the writer thought "middle age" was
> considered negative) and since it wasn't really about how these labels
> are normally used.  I think we when discussed this before, Marie posted
> the medical definitions.  Middle age was something like 40-65, I
> think.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         God, I am so bored with this topic.  OK, I'm a YOUNG WOMAN.
> I'm a fucking spring chicken.  Happy?

No, I don't really care.  I wouldn't call myself happy or unhappy with
what you call yourself.  I just found it a bit odd that you were calling
yourself "middle-aged," which is why I questioned it.  I didn't prolong
the thread -- simply replied.

You sound not happy.  Celebrate life!  Go to the yacht club and frolic
with the fat old men!

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Come here you little chickie, let me smooth your feathers!

BB

At 05:01 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>        God, I am so bored with this topic.  OK, I'm a YOUNG WOMAN.
>I'm a fucking spring chicken.  Happy?
>
>
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>http://www.middleage.org/definition.shtml
>>
>>I must confess to not reading the whole thing since I was finding it
>>pretty boring (and couldn't see why the writer thought "middle age" was
>>considered negative) and since it wasn't really about how these labels
>>are normally used.  I think we when discussed this before, Marie posted
>>the medical definitions.  Middle age was something like 40-65, I
>>think.
>>
>>--
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>>
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

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02003-03-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> We've hooked the barrista at the coffee shop we meet at into
> spinning... She's a drum maker and rock hound.

Deliver me, Jesus

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On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, BF Clark wrote:

> Come here you little chickie, let me smooth your feathers!

oh my god, now she's coming on to RITA!  Somebody stop her, the bad thing.

Ann

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Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:17:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> We've hooked the barrista at the coffee shop we meet at into
>> spinning... She's a drum maker and rock hound.

> Deliver me, Jesus

This is Austin, baby. Get used to it or get out.

ET #3

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At 05:17 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-03-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > We've hooked the barrista at the coffee shop we meet at into
> > spinning... She's a drum maker and rock hound.
>
>Deliver me, Jesus

YaY.  You are forgiven my child.  Go and sin no more.

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At 03:19 PM 3/28/2003 -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, BF Clark wrote:
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> > Come here you little chickie, let me smooth your feathers!
>
>oh my god, now she's coming on to RITA!  Somebody stop her, the bad thing.
>
>Ann

Rita needs a hug.

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At 05:20 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:17:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> We've hooked the barrista at the coffee shop we meet at into
> >> spinning... She's a drum maker and rock hound.
>
> > Deliver me, Jesus
>
>This is Austin, baby. Get used to it or get out.

You've been brainwashed.  Love it or leave it?

B

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Natalie writes,

>I am still convinced that I was correct in saying that the majority of
>USAers had never even heard of blogs a month or so ago.  But I think
>this insane war is helping change that:

Yes, and yes.  Activism and speaking up in general has gotten a big boost
because of our insane Administration.

Socialtext got a print mention this week:
<http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/business/5483947.htm>.  In the
paper edition of the Mercury News, this was at the bottom of the front page
of the business section.  Seeing it in print on paper made it more real for
some family members. :)

We also publicly demoed the blog version of our software at PC Forum;
shouldn't be long now before I'm using it for my blog.

Pete

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I still don't understand why, but I still know that it's THE TRUTH.
Plant tomatoes on Good Friday, and they will be fine.  Plant them before
that, and they will freeze.  I have not planted any tomatoes, btw.  It's
not GF yet.  But my point is that Easter is sometimes in March and that
thus some years I might have planted tomatoes by now and they would be
happy.  Easter is late this year.  And the forecast for tomorrow is to
turn dramatically colder -- dramatic because right now is
shorts/t-shirt/barefeet weather, but it's supposed to be in the low 30s
tomorrow night and then down to about 30 the next night.  Tomatoes would
not be happy campers.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:29:54 PM, BF Clark wrote:
> At 05:20 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:17:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-03-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> We've hooked the barrista at the coffee shop we meet at into
>> >> spinning... She's a drum maker and rock hound.
>>
>> > Deliver me, Jesus
>>
>>This is Austin, baby. Get used to it or get out.

> You've been brainwashed.  Love it or leave it?

Preferably leave it--to me.

ET #3

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At 05:27 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:29:54 PM, BF Clark wrote:
> > At 05:20 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:17:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
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> >> >> spinning... She's a drum maker and rock hound.
> >>
> >> > Deliver me, Jesus
> >>
> >>This is Austin, baby. Get used to it or get out.
>
> > You've been brainwashed.  Love it or leave it?
>
>Preferably leave it--to me.

You're welcome to it. Get some laws changed and quit killing people.

Betty

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At 05:26 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I still don't understand why, but I still know that it's THE TRUTH.
>Plant tomatoes on Good Friday, and they will be fine.  Plant them before
>that, and they will freeze.  I have not planted any tomatoes, btw.  It's
>not GF yet.  But my point is that Easter is sometimes in March and that
>thus some years I might have planted tomatoes by now and they would be
>happy.  Easter is late this year.  And the forecast for tomorrow is to
>turn dramatically colder -- dramatic because right now is
>shorts/t-shirt/barefeet weather, but it's supposed to be in the low 30s
>tomorrow night and then down to about 30 the next night.  Tomatoes would
>not be happy campers.

What's your point?  You tell us this every year.  Do you think we don't
remember?

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Good opinion piece by Arthur Schlesinger Jr. from the Sunday LA Times:
<http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0322-01.htm>.

Pete

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At 05:43 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:45:34 PM, BF Clark wrote:
> > At 05:34 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:37:22 PM, BF Clark wrote:
> >> > At 05:27 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >> >>Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:29:54 PM, BF Clark wrote:
> >> >> > At 05:20 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >> >> >>Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:17:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >> >> > 02003-03-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> >> >> >> We've hooked the barrista at the coffee shop we meet at into
> >> >> >> >> spinning... She's a drum maker and rock hound.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Deliver me, Jesus
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>This is Austin, baby. Get used to it or get out.
> >> >>
> >> >> > You've been brainwashed.  Love it or leave it?
> >> >>
> >> >>Preferably leave it--to me.
> >>
> >> > You're welcome to it. Get some laws changed and quit killing people.
> >>
> >>Er, which people?
> >>
> >>ET #3
>
> > Your "guilty" ones.
>
>If you're talking about death row, I'm doing as much as I can.
>
>ET #3

Okay.  Carry on.

It's a beautiful day here. I think I'll plant my tomatoes tomorrow.  No
chance of freezing.

Do you need any finger protection when you spin?

Betty

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Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:45:34 PM, BF Clark wrote:
> At 05:34 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:37:22 PM, BF Clark wrote:
>> > At 05:27 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>> >>Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:29:54 PM, BF Clark wrote:
>> >> > At 05:20 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>> >> >>Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:17:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> >> >> > 02003-03-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> >> >> We've hooked the barrista at the coffee shop we meet at into
>> >> >> >> spinning... She's a drum maker and rock hound.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Deliver me, Jesus
>> >> >>
>> >> >>This is Austin, baby. Get used to it or get out.
>> >>
>> >> > You've been brainwashed.  Love it or leave it?
>> >>
>> >>Preferably leave it--to me.
>>
>> > You're welcome to it. Get some laws changed and quit killing people.
>>
>>Er, which people?
>>
>>ET #3

> Your "guilty" ones.

If you're talking about death row, I'm doing as much as I can.

ET #3

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Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:52:13 PM, BF Clark wrote:
> Okay.  Carry on.

Gee, thanks.

> It's a beautiful day here. I think I'll plant my tomatoes tomorrow.  No
> chance of freezing.

> Do you need any finger protection when you spin?

OHMIGOD. No. I spin maybe 3 feet of nearly unusable wool per
hour. I'm having trouble with the short-fibered wool--I keep
breaking it instead of spinning it. My dealer tells me that it's
artisan wool. I don't exactly believe her.

Today she pimped me some soap--I am her guinea pig!

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:32:41 -0600
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Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:26:39 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I still don't understand why, but I still know that it's THE TRUTH.
> Plant tomatoes on Good Friday, and they will be fine.  Plant them before
> that, and they will freeze.  I have not planted any tomatoes, btw.  It's
> not GF yet.  But my point is that Easter is sometimes in March and that
> thus some years I might have planted tomatoes by now and they would be
> happy.  Easter is late this year.  And the forecast for tomorrow is to
> turn dramatically colder -- dramatic because right now is
> shorts/t-shirt/barefeet weather, but it's supposed to be in the low 30s
> tomorrow night and then down to about 30 the next night.  Tomatoes would
> not be happy campers.

It's supposed to get down to freezing here tomorrow night. I'm planning
to water everything well and pray a lot.

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Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:37:22 PM, BF Clark wrote:
> At 05:27 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:29:54 PM, BF Clark wrote:
>> > At 05:20 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>> >>Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:17:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> >> > 02003-03-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> >> We've hooked the barrista at the coffee shop we meet at into
>> >> >> spinning... She's a drum maker and rock hound.
>> >>
>> >> > Deliver me, Jesus
>> >>
>> >>This is Austin, baby. Get used to it or get out.
>>
>> > You've been brainwashed.  Love it or leave it?
>>
>>Preferably leave it--to me.

> You're welcome to it. Get some laws changed and quit killing people.

Er, which people?

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Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:40:15 PM, BF Clark wrote:
> At 05:32 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>It's supposed to get down to freezing here tomorrow night. I'm planning
>>to water everything well and pray a lot.

> You found Jesus, too?

Not really.

Okay, I'm going to water everything well and hope a lot. How's
that?

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Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:37:46 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Good opinion piece by Arthur Schlesinger Jr. from the Sunday LA Times:
> <http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0322-01.htm>.

Very nice, thank you.

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At 05:32 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:26:39 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > I still don't understand why, but I still know that it's THE TRUTH.
> > Plant tomatoes on Good Friday, and they will be fine.  Plant them before
> > that, and they will freeze.  I have not planted any tomatoes, btw.  It's
> > not GF yet.  But my point is that Easter is sometimes in March and that
> > thus some years I might have planted tomatoes by now and they would be
> > happy.  Easter is late this year.  And the forecast for tomorrow is to
> > turn dramatically colder -- dramatic because right now is
> > shorts/t-shirt/barefeet weather, but it's supposed to be in the low 30s
> > tomorrow night and then down to about 30 the next night.  Tomatoes would
> > not be happy campers.
>
>It's supposed to get down to freezing here tomorrow night. I'm planning
>to water everything well and pray a lot.

You found Jesus, too?

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At 05:34 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:37:22 PM, BF Clark wrote:
> > At 05:27 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:29:54 PM, BF Clark wrote:
> >> > At 05:20 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >> >>Friday, March 28, 2003, 5:17:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >> > 02003-03-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> >> >> We've hooked the barrista at the coffee shop we meet at into
> >> >> >> spinning... She's a drum maker and rock hound.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Deliver me, Jesus
> >> >>
> >> >>This is Austin, baby. Get used to it or get out.
> >>
> >> > You've been brainwashed.  Love it or leave it?
> >>
> >>Preferably leave it--to me.
>
> > You're welcome to it. Get some laws changed and quit killing people.
>
>Er, which people?
>
>ET #3

Your "guilty" ones.

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BF Clark wrote:

> What's your point?  You tell us this every year.  Do you think we don't
> remember?

You're sounding as badhairish-day as Rita.  My point is that nobody has
yet given an explanation of why.  Surely with all the versatility and
erudition present here somebody would have explained it by now.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Karen Kay wrote:

> If you're talking about death row, I'm doing as much as I can.

And that is all one can do.  Which is why I keep going to peace
rallies.  I can't stop the insanity of this war, but I can keep speaking
out against it.

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Friday, March 28, 2003, 6:06:08 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> You're sounding as badhairish-day as Rita.  My point is that nobody has
> yet given an explanation of why.  Surely with all the versatility and
> erudition present here somebody would have explained it by now.

If anyone knew why, farmers could make money.

ET #3

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Today is the 40th anniversary of the 1963 S.Ct. decision in Gideon v.
Wainwright - guaranteeing counsel to criminal defendants.

We have a looooooong way to go to fully implement the 6th amendment to our
Constitution.

Bethany

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heard this phrase before.

(before reading it on Jennifer's blog)


http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bob1.htm

Ann

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At 06:06 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>BF Clark wrote:
>
> > What's your point?  You tell us this every year.  Do you think we don't
> > remember?
>
>You're sounding as badhairish-day as Rita.  My point is that nobody has
>yet given an explanation of why.  Surely with all the versatility and
>erudition present here somebody would have explained it by now.

You didn't ask why, my darlin.  One only needs to ask.

I don't know.   Don't care.  So there.

BB

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        God, I am so bored with this topic.  OK, I'm a YOUNG WOMAN.
>>I'm a fucking spring chicken.  Happy?
>>
>
> No, I don't really care.  I wouldn't call myself happy or unhappy with
> what you call yourself.  I just found it a bit odd that you were calling
> yourself "middle-aged," which is why I questioned it.  I didn't prolong
> the thread -- simply replied.
>
> You sound not happy.  Celebrate life!  Go to the yacht club and frolic
> with the fat old men!
>


The yacht club isn't a place, so there's nobody there.




--
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I understand a lot about the power of chemical addiction.

I snmoked for many years. At a certain point, I became a social smoker - I
smoked rarely, only on social occasions. Finally, I smoked only if a
Nat Sherman cigarette was available. That lasted until the day I heard
an undergraduate student say, about some other noxious habit. "Well, it
can't be too bad, because Prof. soandso does it." I thought about that
statement and decided that I never wanted a student to be able to justify
smoking by saying "Well, cigarette smoking can't be too bad, because Prof.
Dumas does it." So I stopped smoking cigarettes.

Some time later, in connection with a lawsuit against R. J. Reynolds, I
conducted empirical research on the adequacy of warnings on consumer
products (cigarettes and other products). I also researched the work of
the Tobacco Institute re warnings and product labels. One thing I learned
was that the Tobacco Institute, the moneyed lobbying arm of the tobacco
industry, had conducted similar research earlier and had reached
conclusions identical with mine. On the basis of that research the
Institute lobbied Congress (successfully) to make certain that weak,
ineffective warnings were all that went on cigarette packakges. Much
fraud and deception was practiced.

What I do not understand today is why anyone would voluntarily give money,
hard-earned or otherwise, to such a slimy industry.

To see REAL warnings, go to:

http://lurquer.com/cig/

Bethany

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, BF Clark wrote:
>
>
>>Come here you little chickie, let me smooth your feathers!
>>
>
> oh my god, now she's coming on to RITA!  Somebody stop her, the bad thing.
>


        See, I get all the hotties.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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02003-03-28 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
>
> 51-70 = Middle Age

I'm sorry, thats' totally unacceptable. Do you mean 41-70? I mean
I'll kind of accept 70, though to me it says "old". But to say you
are not middle-aged at 45 is plain wrong ...

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BF Clark wrote:

> >You're sounding as badhairish-day as Rita.  My point is that nobody has
> >yet given an explanation of why.  Surely with all the versatility and
> >erudition present here somebody would have explained it by now.
>
> You didn't ask why, my darlin.  One only needs to ask.
>
> I don't know.   Don't care.  So there.

You have to remember that my gggggg-grandparents were just ignorant
furriners.  So you can't expect me to be always logical.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> The yacht club isn't a place, so there's nobody there.

Weird.  If it's not a place, what is it?  Hmm.  I bet it's a group.  I
may be slow, but I get there.  I realize that clubs are more often
groups than places, but I think of yacht clubs as places.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> What I do not understand today is why anyone would voluntarily give money,
> hard-earned or otherwise, to such a slimy industry.

I also shop at Walmart.  I'm quite happy with Wmart.  And I'm quite
happy with smoking.  At times in the past I wanted (and did at various
times) to quit smoking.  I have not the slightest desire now to do so.
I also used to think that I wanted to live a long life.  I have not the
slightest desire now to do so.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 07:15 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>BF Clark wrote:
>
> > >You're sounding as badhairish-day as Rita.  My point is that nobody has
> > >yet given an explanation of why.  Surely with all the versatility and
> > >erudition present here somebody would have explained it by now.
> >
> > You didn't ask why, my darlin.  One only needs to ask.
> >
> > I don't know.   Don't care.  So there.
>
>You have to remember that my gggggg-grandparents were just ignorant
>furriners.  So you can't expect me to be always logical.

That's true and it wouldn't be any fun if you were.

Larry took his tick and his arm to the doctor.  He is not back yet.

BB

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BF Clark wrote:

> Larry took his tick and his arm to the doctor.  He is not back yet.

Hmm.  Do you think the doctor may amputate his ticked arm?  I wish you'd
told him to ask the doctor what to do about my between-boobs tick (or
spider) blight.  It's much easier to amputate an arm than it is to
amputate the between-boobs valley.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>The yacht club isn't a place, so there's nobody there.
>>
>
> Weird.  If it's not a place, what is it?  Hmm.  I bet it's a group.  I
> may be slow, but I get there.  I realize that clubs are more often
> groups than places, but I think of yacht clubs as places.


        Nope, just a group.  There's a private sandbar, but nobody
has their boats de-winterized, yet.  It'll be interesting to
see if our new yacht actually runs.



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I did try to take some pictures of the bite.  But the bite isn't into
major redness stage right now, so it doesn't really show up in the
pictures.
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On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> What I do not understand today is why anyone would voluntarily give money,
>> hard-earned or otherwise, to such a slimy industry.
>
>I also shop at Walmart.  I'm quite happy with Wmart.  And I'm quite
>happy with smoking.  At times in the past I wanted (and did at various
>times) to quit smoking.  I have not the slightest desire now to do so.
>I also used to think that I wanted to live a long life.  I have not the
>slightest desire now to do so.

Have I told you how much I love your non sequiturs?

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Have I told you how much I love your non sequiturs?

I can't remember.  But I didn't find it a non-sequitur to say that I
also shop at Wmart even though some people don't understand why anyone
would voluntarily give money to such a slimy industry.


--
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 08:02 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I did try to take some pictures of the bite.  But the bite isn't into
>major redness stage right now, so it doesn't really show up in the
>pictures.
>--

Well, Larry is home and he has to take antibiotics for 21 days or until we
find out if the tick is infected.  It is the lyme disease carrying
kind.  (Orange spot on it's abdomen).  We have to mail the tick in.  I
should take a photo of it and Larry's arm but I won't post it.

Betty

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BF Clark wrote:

> Well, Larry is home and he has to take antibiotics for 21 days or until we
> find out if the tick is infected.  It is the lyme disease carrying
> kind.  (Orange spot on it's abdomen).  We have to mail the tick in.  I
> should take a photo of it and Larry's arm but I won't post it.

I flushed the pieces of my offending bug down the toilet because it gave
me the creeps.  I didn't look at its abdomen.  How long does it take to
die of lyme disease?  My <encounter> was last May.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Another article, "Bloggers' Delight  -- Will the war become the
breakthrough Weblogers have been waiting for?," Steven Levy, Newsweek:
<http://www.msnbc.com/news/892398.asp?0cv=KB20>.

Via Doc Searls' weblog <http://doc.weblogs.com/>, of course. :)

Pete

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BF Clark wrote:

> At 08:02 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>> I did try to take some pictures of the bite.  But the bite isn't into
>> major redness stage right now, so it doesn't really show up in the
>> pictures.
>> --
>
>
> Well, Larry is home and he has to take antibiotics for 21 days or until we
> find out if the tick is infected.  It is the lyme disease carrying
> kind.  (Orange spot on it's abdomen).  We have to mail the tick in.  I
> should take a photo of it and Larry's arm but I won't post it.
>


        I can't believe how narrowly we've missed having a photo of
Natalie's boobage.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I can't believe how narrowly we've missed having a photo of
> Natalie's boobage.

I can back-channel it to you if you're just dying to see it.  But I
cropped down to just the hint of the bite.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >> Have I told you how much I love your non sequiturs?
> >
> >I can't remember.  But I didn't find it a non-sequitur to say that I
> >also shop at Wmart even though some people don't understand why anyone
> >would voluntarily give money to such a slimy industry.
>
> So discount retail is a slimy industry?

Not in my opinion.  But that's what others say.

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At 08:24 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>BF Clark wrote:
>
>>At 08:02 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>>>I did try to take some pictures of the bite.  But the bite isn't into
>>>major redness stage right now, so it doesn't really show up in the
>>>pictures.
>>>--
>>
>>
>>Well, Larry is home and he has to take antibiotics for 21 days or until we
>>find out if the tick is infected.  It is the lyme disease carrying
>>kind.  (Orange spot on it's abdomen).  We have to mail the tick in.  I
>>should take a photo of it and Larry's arm but I won't post it.
>
>
>        I can't believe how narrowly we've missed having a photo of
>Natalie's boobage.

We've seen her butt!

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At 06:21 PM 3/28/2003 -0800, you wrote:


>Well, Larry is home and he has to take antibiotics for 21 days or until we
>find out if the tick is infected.  It is the lyme disease carrying
>kind.  (Orange spot on it's abdomen).  We have to mail the tick in.

Tetracyclines?  I did that.  Does he have to stay out of the sun?

cwv

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BF Clark wrote:

> >        I can't believe how narrowly we've missed having a photo of
> >Natalie's boobage.
>
> We've seen her butt!

And that reminds me that I forgot that I was going to wash clothes late
this afternoon.  The connection is that the fraternal-twin pants of
those holy pants are in the dirty-clothes basket right now.

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Natalie writes,

>You're sounding more and more like Dick Cheney, Pete!

I disagree.  Check out my latest blog entry: <http://www.istori.com/log/>.

An amazing line from a Reuters story I quote in it: "The coalition is the
Bush administration's term for the United States, Britain and the other
minor contributors to the invasion of Iraq they launched last week."

Pete

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At 09:33 PM 3/28/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 06:21 PM 3/28/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>
>
>>Well, Larry is home and he has to take antibiotics for 21 days or until we
>>find out if the tick is infected.  It is the lyme disease carrying
>>kind.  (Orange spot on it's abdomen).  We have to mail the tick in.
>
>Tetracyclines?  I did that.  Does he have to stay out of the sun?

Avoid the sun but Larry will be non compliant, I'm sure.  I'm not sure what
the drug is. It's at the pharmacy being filled.

Betty

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> Another article, "Bloggers' Delight  -- Will the war become the
> breakthrough Weblogers have been waiting for?," Steven Levy, Newsweek:
> <http://www.msnbc.com/news/892398.asp?0cv=KB20>.

You're sounding more and more like Dick Cheney, Pete!
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On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Have I told you how much I love your non sequiturs?
>
>I can't remember.  But I didn't find it a non-sequitur to say that I
>also shop at Wmart even though some people don't understand why anyone
>would voluntarily give money to such a slimy industry.

So discount retail is a slimy industry?

Bethany

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At 08:22 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>BF Clark wrote:
>
> > Well, Larry is home and he has to take antibiotics for 21 days or until we
> > find out if the tick is infected.  It is the lyme disease carrying
> > kind.  (Orange spot on it's abdomen).  We have to mail the tick in.  I
> > should take a photo of it and Larry's arm but I won't post it.
>
>I flushed the pieces of my offending bug down the toilet because it gave
>me the creeps.  I didn't look at its abdomen.  How long does it take to
>die of lyme disease?  My <encounter> was last May.

You're safe.

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BF Clark wrote:

> >I flushed the pieces of my offending bug down the toilet because it gave
> >me the creeps.  I didn't look at its abdomen.  How long does it take to
> >die of lyme disease?  My <encounter> was last May.
>
> You're safe.

Whew!  I really wasn't very worried about lyme disease, I must admit.
This doesn't seem to be a hot area for it.

But on the insect subject, I'm unhappy that we're reaching the time of
year again to worry about things like outside dog waterbowls.  West Nile
Virus sux.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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At 06:42 PM 3/28/2003 -0800, BF Clark wrote:
>At 09:33 PM 3/28/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>>At 06:21 PM 3/28/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Well, Larry is home and he has to take antibiotics for 21 days or until we
>>>find out if the tick is infected.  It is the lyme disease carrying
>>>kind.  (Orange spot on it's abdomen).  We have to mail the tick in.
>>
>>Tetracyclines?  I did that.  Does he have to stay out of the sun?
>
>Avoid the sun but Larry will be non compliant, I'm sure.  I'm not sure what
>the drug is. It's at the pharmacy being filled.

The tetracycline family of antibiotics is the standard treatment for
suspected cases and pretty damned good insurance.  Exposure to the sun will
not affect the treatment, but he will be much more sensitive, i.e., sunburn
and all that.  Time for long sleeves, big floppy hats, and all the SPF he
can achieve.

cwv

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Friday, March 28, 2003, 6:25:41 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> heard this phrase before.

It's Britspeak.

ET #3

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> >You're sounding more and more like Dick Cheney, Pete!
>
> I disagree.  Check out my latest blog entry: <http://www.istori.com/log/>.

I don't have to check the blog to know that you're not Dick Cheney.
Woman's intuition, maybe.  But I'm confident.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> I disagree.  Check out my latest blog entry: <http://www.istori.com/log/>.

I did just do a quick check of your latest blog entry.  And somehow (not
because of that entry) I remembered then something I'd meant to mention
earlier.  Does it not seem odd that Dubya is saying that post-war the US
will provide universal health coverage in Iraq?  I'm very much for
universal health coverage.  No doubt in my mind about that.  But it
struck me as more than a bit odd for the Pres of a country that denies
health care to many people is making such statements.

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At 09:44 PM 3/28/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 06:42 PM 3/28/2003 -0800, BF Clark wrote:
>>At 09:33 PM 3/28/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>>>At 06:21 PM 3/28/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well, Larry is home and he has to take antibiotics for 21 days or until we
>>>>find out if the tick is infected.  It is the lyme disease carrying
>>>>kind.  (Orange spot on it's abdomen).  We have to mail the tick in.
>>>
>>>Tetracyclines?  I did that.  Does he have to stay out of the sun?
>>
>>Avoid the sun but Larry will be non compliant, I'm sure.  I'm not sure what
>>the drug is. It's at the pharmacy being filled.
>
>The tetracycline family of antibiotics is the standard treatment for
>suspected cases and pretty damned good insurance.  Exposure to the sun will
>not affect the treatment, but he will be much more sensitive, i.e., sunburn
>and all that.  Time for long sleeves, big floppy hats, and all the SPF he
>can achieve.

He can do that!

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On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:55:32 -0600, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
>But it
>struck me as more than a bit odd for the Pres of a country that denies
>health care to many people is making such statements.

He's very much a believer in double standards.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >But it
> >struck me as more than a bit odd for the Pres of a country that denies
> >health care to many people is making such statements.
>
> He's very much a believer in double standards.

Indeed.  I was just reading this (not news -- I'd read it elsewhere a
good many hours ago):

                   "And we don't want neighboring
                  countries, or anyone else for that matter, to be
                  in there assisting the Iraqi forces."  [Rumsfeld said
re Syria]

It's ok for us to try to build a coalition to attack another country.
But hey -- it is <wrong> for the country we have attacked to be helped.

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On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 51-70 = Middle Age
> I'm sorry, thats' totally unacceptable. Do you mean 41-70? I mean
> I'll kind of accept 70, though to me it says "old". But to say you
> are not middle-aged at 45 is plain wrong ...

I think you're middle-aged at 33.

Ann

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Friday, March 28, 2003, 9:25:55 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 51-70 = Middle Age
>> I'm sorry, thats' totally unacceptable. Do you mean 41-70? I mean
>> I'll kind of accept 70, though to me it says "old". But to say you
>> are not middle-aged at 45 is plain wrong ...

> I think you're middle-aged at 33.

I think he was middle-aged at 23.

Karen

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> I think he was middle-aged at 23.

Maybe - I was middle-aged at 25 but then at 40 I became pretty young.

Now I'm OLD AS DIRT but spring is here and I hope to reach 36 or
thereabouts in early May.

Ann

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Friday, March 28, 2003, 9:31:40 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> I think he was middle-aged at 23.

> Maybe - I was middle-aged at 25 but then at 40 I became pretty young.

> Now I'm OLD AS DIRT but spring is here and I hope to reach 36 or
> thereabouts in early May.

I love you, man.:)

I saw home movies of Joseph Pilates at 52, and I was so depressed
I had to leave...

ET #3

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BF Clark wrote:

> At 08:24 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> BF Clark wrote:
>>
>>> At 08:02 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>>
>>>> I did try to take some pictures of the bite.  But the bite isn't into
>>>> major redness stage right now, so it doesn't really show up in the
>>>> pictures.
>>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, Larry is home and he has to take antibiotics for 21 days or
>>> until we
>>> find out if the tick is infected.  It is the lyme disease carrying
>>> kind.  (Orange spot on it's abdomen).  We have to mail the tick in.  I
>>> should take a photo of it and Larry's arm but I won't post it.
>>
>>
>>
>>        I can't believe how narrowly we've missed having a photo of
>> Natalie's boobage.
>
>
> We've seen her butt!
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        I can't believe how narrowly we've missed having a photo of
>>Natalie's boobage.
>>
>
> I can back-channel it to you if you're just dying to see it.  But I
> cropped down to just the hint of the bite.


        That's ok.  Now that the weather has turned almost balmy, I'm
innundated with boobage.  And I'll see yours in person in July.



--
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My brother will probably be deployed in May.:(

Karen

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At 10:02 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>My brother will probably be deployed in May.:(
>
>Karen

I'm sorry, Karen.  How long has he been in the service?

Betty

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Friday, March 28, 2003, 10:33:21 PM, BF Clark wrote:
> At 10:02 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>My brother will probably be deployed in May.:(
>>
>>Karen

> I'm sorry, Karen.  How long has he been in the service?

He's in the National Guard. I don't remember how long. He has 3
more years to go, I remember that, because we talked about it at
Christmas.

I hope he makes it.

ET #3

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Ann Borkin:
= heard this phrase before.
=
= (before reading it on Jennifer's blog)
=
=
= http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bob1.htm
=

I do hear "and Bob's your uncle" once in a while, but not that
often.  Mostly just for "and that's that".

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At 10:11 AM 3/29/2003 +0100, whimsy wrote:
>Ann Borkin:
>= heard this phrase before.
>=
>= (before reading it on Jennifer's blog)
>=
>=
>= http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bob1.htm
>=
>
>I do hear "and Bob's your uncle" once in a while, but not that
>often.  Mostly just for "and that's that".

I hear "Call Bob".

Betty

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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/28/travel/28HOUR.html?8td

This is a NYT article saying that Austin remains playful and offbeat, its
soul still intact.

Keep up the good work, Karen!

Betty

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> > heard this phrase before.
>
>It's Britspeak.
>ET #3

That could be why "Bob's  your uncle" sounds quite familiar to me.   All
those British mystery novels I read.   One of the Innowners in our
stitch'n'bitch (which I think is over for the season now) is from
Britain.   All of her slang sounds so familiar.


    --bonniev

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On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, BF Clark wrote:
>
> I hear "Call Bob".

used how?

Ann

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Alan Wild writes,

>Thanks Pete...  no confirmation on UCONN though, huh?

A male undergrad may have it; he could have contracted it on the plane
flying home from spring break, and he is now sick.  UConn sent email to
folks on campus to watch for symptoms if they had contact with him.

There are two other suspected cases in the state, as well.

<http://tinyurl.com/8eoh> (Willimantic Chronicle)
<http://tinyurl.com/8eok> (New Haven Register)

Pete

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At 07:55 AM 3/29/2003 -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, BF Clark wrote:
> >
> > I hear "Call Bob".
>
>used how?
>
>Ann

Radio ad for Account Temps.

Betty

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Pete:
> An amazing line from a Reuters story I quote in it: "The coalition is the
> Bush administration's term for the United States, Britain and the other
> minor contributors to the invasion of Iraq they launched last week."

O.K., Pete, what point am I missing
here (i.e., why is this "amazing")?

I never really gave it much thought,
but I assumed the Bush Team started
calling it a <coalition>, and others
just picked it up.

Who else would have named it?

--
Richard              C<->G  A<->T

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At 12:29 PM 3/29/2003 -0600, no straight, chaser wrote:
>Pete:
> > An amazing line from a Reuters story I quote in it: "The coalition is the
> > Bush administration's term for the United States, Britain and the other
> > minor contributors to the invasion of Iraq they launched last week."
>
>O.K., Pete, what point am I missing
>here (i.e., why is this "amazing")?
>
>I never really gave it much thought,
>but I assumed the Bush Team started
>calling it a <coalition>, and others
>just picked it up.

For a while at least, the administration was using "the coalition of the
willing."

cwv

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Richard asks,

>O.K., Pete, what point am I missing here (i.e., why is this "amazing")?

I guess I'd given up on the media.  I found it amazing because "United
States, Britain and the other minor contributors to the invasion of Iraq"
is so truthful and distinct from the Administration's desired messaging:

<http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030326.html>:

>"The Coalition" an Op-Ed from Dr. Condoleezza Rice
>
>Originally appeared in the The Wall Street Journal on March 26, 2003
>
>WASHINGTON -- The coalition that is currently engaged in the hard,
>dangerous work to disarm Iraq is strong, broad and diverse.
>
>Nearly 50 nations are committed to ridding Saddam Hussein's regime of all
>its deadly, destructive and illegal weapons. To put this in perspective,
>the combined population of coalition countries is approximately 1.23
>billion people, with a combined gross domestic product of approximately
>$22 trillion. These countries are from every continent on the globe,
>representing every major race, religion, and ethnicity in the world.

A recent AFP story on "the list", BTW:
<http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/29/1048653898410.html>

Pete

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>is so truthful and distinct from the Administration's desired messaging:

Oh, O.K., I gotcha now.

I'm not amazed, but I see your point.

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Richard              C<->G  A<->T

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Norman Mailer gave a superb speech at the Commonwealth Club on February
20th.  I caught the last third of it replayed on the radio last night, and
found a written version today.

With many a perfectly turned phrase, Mailer summarizes well the psyche and
politics that brought us to the brink of war.

He argues that democracy is a special thing: "Real democracy comes out of
many subtle individual human battles that are fought over decades and
finally over centuries, battles that succeed in building traditions. The
only defenses of democracy, finally, are the traditions of democracy. When
you start ignoring those values, you are playing with a noble and delicate
structure. There's nothing more beautiful than democracy. But you can't
play with it. You can't assume we're going to go over to show them what a
great system we have. This is monstrous arrogance."

"Because democracy is noble, it is always endangered. Nobility, indeed, is
always in danger. Democracy is perishable. I think the natural government
for most people, given the uglier depths of human nature, is fascism.
Fascism is more of a natural state than democracy. To assume blithely that
we can export democracy into any country we choose can serve paradoxically
to encourage more fascism at home and abroad. Democracy is a state of grace
that is attained only by those countries who have a host of individuals not
only ready to enjoy freedom but to undergo the heavy labor of maintaining it."

He concludes that it may be time to decide to defend democracy, as well:
"Democracy, I would repeat, is the noblest form of government we have yet
evolved, and we may as well begin to ask ourselves whether we are ready to
suffer, even perish for it, rather than readying ourselves to live in the
lower existence of a monumental banana republic with a government always
eager to cater to mega-corporations as they do their best to appropriate
our thwarted dreams with their elephantiastical conceits."

"Only In America" <http://www.nybooks.com/articles/16166>, by Norman Mailer

Audio stream of the speech, worth the listen: <http://www.commonwealthclub.org/
features/centennial/centennial-medallion-speaker-series.html#mailer>

Pete

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=
= For a while at least, the administration was using "the coalition of the
= willing."
=
= cwv

Yes.  And that got smartly turned into "the coalition of the
billing" when it was noted that most of the countries in the
coalition are funded by the US.  I heard that Colombia didn't
even know it was on the list until the list was published.  But
of course they get so much money from the US that they couldn't
complain.

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In a message dated 3/29/2003 11:46:03 AM, kaminski@ISTORI.COM writes:

<< I guess I'd given up on the media.  I found it amazing because "United
States, Britain and the other minor contributors to the invasion of Iraq"
is so truthful and distinct from the Administration's desired messaging:
 >>

Count me in, it's frustrating, to say the least imo. Theo

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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 8:46:04 AM, BF Clark wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/28/travel/28HOUR.html?8td

> This is a NYT article saying that Austin remains playful and offbeat, its
> soul still intact.

> Keep up the good work, Karen!

P.S. I'm not responsible for keeping the whole state weird, just
Austin. That's as much as I can manage.

ET #3

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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 8:46:04 AM, BF Clark wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/28/travel/28HOUR.html?8td

> This is a NYT article saying that Austin remains playful and offbeat, its
> soul still intact.

> Keep up the good work, Karen!

Thank you, thank you, thank you very much!!!!

ET #3

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/28/2003 10:25:50 AM, Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:
>
> << I hope you'll get the best treatment, and that it will help.
>  >>
>
> With all these good thoughts going her way, how could it not help?

And I wish you too -- best treatment that'll make you feel as if you were
well!

Kristin

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In a message dated 3/29/2003 11:58:24 AM, kaminski@ISTORI.COM writes:

<<  But you can't
play with it. You can't assume we're going to go over to show them what a
great system we have. This is monstrous arrogance." >>

But how are we going to convince Bush? I  heard from a "friend" last night
who is still convinced that the US is doing the right thing. I got so angry
with him, that I couldn't help myself, and let him *have* all the way. I
don't think he understood my anger, and changed his convictions, but at least
he shut up about it.
Theo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > 15,000 more Texas troops are being deployed Thursday. I can't
> > stand to watch Bush talk about the war.
>
> Here are our students who have already left:
> http://www.msstate.edu/web/prepared/studentsoldiers.html

It says: "The students below have been called to serve in Operation
Iraqi Freedom."

Called? What does it mean? Have the at some time earlier consented that
if soldiers are needed they would go and fight? Have they had more of
service in the army than the regular service? For I cannot see in the
statement that they went just voluntarily.

Kristin

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In a message dated 3/29/2003 12:31:23 PM, Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:

<< And I wish you too -- best treatment that'll make you feel as if you were
well!

Kristin
 >>

Thanks a million, Kristin. It can't hurt any, to add a few more, can it?
Theo

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Betty:

>-- Richard Perle, head of board that advises U.S. Secretary of Defense
>Donald Rumsfeld, resigns.

And what a pathetic whiny resignation letter it was. I figure it's the
perfect time for Perle to quit. He got the war he's relentlessly pushed
for, his profile and fees have prolly skyrocketed after the slew of
media appearances all last year. He can go on now to give lucrative
talks to Goldman Sachs investors on "Iraq now, North Korea next".

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Richard:

> > No, no, the *diabolical* reason for Rumsfeld

>Oooh, that's a good word.

> > IOW he has lots of "I told you so's" riding on Iraq.

>They never gave him any toys to play with
>back when he was Sec o' Def the first time,
>did they?

Back then he was too busy flying around shaking hands with dictators!!

The conspiracy theorist in me wonders whether there were any interesting
papers in the buildings/palaces bombed so far - papers dating back from
the 70s and 80s when Saddam was our dictator.

Oh, and I wonder if Rumsfeld was planting the seeds for the liberation of
Syria yesterday. I also now wonder whether the bombing of the Syrian
bus last week was an accident as claimed by the Pentagon.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> You have to remember that my gggggg-grandparents were just ignorant
> furriners.  So you can't expect me to be always logical.

If there *is* something true about the connection with the waxing and waning
of the Moon that'd explain it. That the plants which you grow for their roots
are to be planted during the waning moon and those you grow because of their
blossoms or fruit are to be planted, and re-planted, during the waxing Moon.
The time of Easter depends of Moon's phases, so... But now I've got wrong. For
I see in the calendar that during Easter the Moon is waning.

Still, I think your and our all's ggggg-grandparents took it into account.
Somehow. I'm sure also, that for many times the trick failed, but once you
believe something every successful case serves as a proof.

Kristin

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/29/2003 12:31:23 PM, Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:
>
> << And I wish you too -- best treatment that'll make you feel as if you were
> well!
> Thanks a million, Kristin. It can't hurt any, to add a few more, can it?

lol. Certainly not. :-)

Kristin

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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 1:45:51 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> It says: "The students below have been called to serve in Operation
> Iraqi Freedom."

> Called? What does it mean?

I don't know about these students, but I can tell you about my
brother (who will graduate April 17th). He is in the National
Guard, which is called up as needed.

> Have the at some time earlier consented that
> if soldiers are needed they would go and fight?

He did.

> Have they had more of service in the army than the regular
> service? For I cannot see in the statement that they went just
> voluntarily.

My brother was in the active military for several years. He's in
the National Guard to increase his retirement pay.

I hope he lives to enjoy it.:(

ET #3

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> > Here are our students who have already left:
> > http://www.msstate.edu/web/prepared/studentsoldiers.html
>
> It says: "The students below have been called to serve in Operation
> Iraqi Freedom."
>
> Called? What does it mean? Have the at some time earlier consented that
> if soldiers are needed they would go and fight? Have they had more of
> service in the army than the regular service? For I cannot see in the
> statement that they went just voluntarily.

Yes, they've at some time earlier consented to be ready to go fight.
Somebody else can no doubt do a much better job than I can of explaining
how the Reserves and the National Guard work.  The Reserves are for wars
mainly, I think, while the National Guard people do various other kinds
of things (riot control, disaster relief, etc.) and are tied to
particular states.  In both cases (Reserves and National Guard) the
people have gone through basic training of the same kind the regular
troops go through.  Then they normally meet one weekend a month to
<practice>.  And they have two-week summer camps each summer.  The idea
is that these are backup troops who aren't full-time in the military --
they have other jobs or are students or whatever.  But if they're called
up, they become full-time for however long.  I think regular military
people are automatically considered part of the "Inactive Reserves" for
a certain length of time after they have left the military, aren't
they?  At least that used to be the case.  They're inactive in that they
don't have to go to the monthly sessions or the summer camps, but
they're on a list to be called up.  Lots of WWII veterans who were out
of the military were called up for the Korean War, for example.

--
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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> If there *is* something true about the connection with the waxing and waning
> of the Moon that'd explain it. That the plants which you grow for their roots

This is what I keep thinking.  And I keep thinking that surely Bethany's
religious training must have included at some point the Jesus-tomotoes
connection.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Saturday, March 29, 2003, 1:45:51 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > It says: "The students below have been called to serve in Operation
> > Iraqi Freedom."
>
> > Called? What does it mean?
>
> I don't know about these students, but I can tell you about my
> brother (who will graduate April 17th). He is in the National
> Guard, which is called up as needed.
>
> My brother was in the active military for several years. He's in
> the National Guard to increase his retirement pay.
>
> I hope he lives to enjoy it.:(

I do, too.

Perhaps I'll search the web about the National Guard -- to get to know
how many of the USAers belong to it, and other things.

For today I'll finish mail-reading.

Kristin

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According to the military page, I should not use "national guard" and
"reserves" as separate parallel terms.  The NG is part of the R:

http://thejobpage.gov/military.htm#TheReserves

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> With many a perfectly turned phrase, Mailer summarizes well the psyche and
> politics that brought us to the brink of war.

    Pete, as much as I respect your views, I must demur from being Hectored on
morals, ethics, democracy, or anything else by a wife-stabber who got a convicted
murder freed from prison to kill again.  Sorry.

JMW

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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 2:35:22 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Perhaps I'll search the web about the National Guard -- to get to know
> how many of the USAers belong to it, and other things.

You know, I have no idea. I'll see what I can find. In my family,
4 out of 8 children have been in the military, but I think that's
much, much higher than the avg. Robert is the only one who was in
the Nat'l. Guard after active service, I think.

> For today I'll finish mail-reading.

I'll let you know what I find.

ET #3

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At 01:22 PM 3/29/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Saturday, March 29, 2003, 8:46:04 AM, BF Clark wrote:
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/28/travel/28HOUR.html?8td
>
> > This is a NYT article saying that Austin remains playful and offbeat, its
> > soul still intact.
>
> > Keep up the good work, Karen!
>
>P.S. I'm not responsible for keeping the whole state weird, just
>Austin. That's as much as I can manage.

One of the questions asked was if Austin was still a refuge for slackers
who don't want to grow up and move to Houston or Dallas.  :-)  It was only
about Austin.

Betty

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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 2:52:43 PM, BF Clark wrote:
> One of the questions asked was if Austin was still a refuge for slackers
> who don't want to grow up and move to Houston or Dallas.  :-)

I think the answer is a clear yes.

> It was only about Austin.

It was actually a pretty good article. But no one else should
move here!

ET #3

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On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>This is what I keep thinking.  And I keep thinking that surely Bethany's
>religious training must have included at some point the Jesus-tomotoes
>connection.

Thank you! I am making a list of gaps to be filled - I will add this one.

Bethany

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I have a persistent pain in my neck. I just remembered today that
this is the same spot that was aching two months ago, and at various
other times since. It's deep inside--nowhere close to the surface.
What do I do about it, and is it a credible bioterror threat. Thanks ...

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> dating back from the 70s and 80s when Saddam was our dictator.

Just a pedantic point; he became "President"
in 1979, so some other Iraqi must have been
"ours" for most of the 1970s.

We were more interested in collecting South
American tinpot tyrants in the 1970s, no?

--
Richard              C<->G  A<->T

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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 2:35:22 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Perhaps I'll search the web about the National Guard -- to get to know
> how many of the USAers belong to it, and other things.

Okay. According to "Guard at a Glance" at
http://www.msnbc.com/news/723122.asp?cp1=1, the Air National
Guard has 108,000 people in it; the regular Air Force has
357,000.

The regular army has 478,000 members, while the Army National
Guard has 350,000 (plus 46,000 full-time staff). IOW, the Army
Nat'l Guarad is nearly as big as the U.S. Army itself.

The page I cited also has details about the federal military,
state defense forces, and private militias.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> According to the military page, I should not use "national guard" and
> "reserves" as separate parallel terms.  The NG is part of the R:
>
> http://thejobpage.gov/military.htm#TheReserves

Oops.  That wasn't a military site.  I wasn't paying attention.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 2:51:10 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> I have a persistent pain in my neck. I just remembered today that
> this is the same spot that was aching two months ago, and at various
> other times since. It's deep inside--nowhere close to the surface.
> What do I do about it, and is it a credible bioterror threat. Thanks ...

Bioterror? I don't think so. Get a foam roller and learn how to
use it or go to a massage therapist. And think about a different
pillow.

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At 02:51 PM 3/29/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>I have a persistent pain in my neck. I just remembered today that
>this is the same spot that was aching two months ago, and at various
>other times since. It's deep inside--nowhere close to the surface.
>What do I do about it, and is it a credible bioterror threat. Thanks ...

You need to have an ergonomic evaluation of your workstation and do stretches.

http://www.uhs.berkeley.edu/Facstaff/Ergonomics/computer/index.htm

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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 3:12:05 PM, BF Clark wrote:
> At 02:51 PM 3/29/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>I have a persistent pain in my neck. I just remembered today that
>>this is the same spot that was aching two months ago, and at various
>>other times since. It's deep inside--nowhere close to the surface.
>>What do I do about it, and is it a credible bioterror threat. Thanks ...

> You need to have an ergonomic evaluation of your workstation and do stretches.

> http://www.uhs.berkeley.edu/Facstaff/Ergonomics/computer/index.htm

http://www.uhs.berkeley.edu/Facstaff/Ergonomics/erguser.htm is
the same diagram that Stanford uses!!! It's a conspiracy!!!

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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 3:08:50 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
> http://www.uhs.berkeley.edu/Facstaff/Ergonomics/erguser.htm is
> the same diagram that Stanford uses!!! It's a conspiracy!!!

P.S. And the scariest thing is how much that picture looks like
Tushar.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> My brother was in the active military for several years. He's in
> the National Guard to increase his retirement pay.
>
> I hope he lives to enjoy it.:(

    Karen, I hope he stays in the rear with the gear.  But whatever
happens, don't let him get captured.

JMW

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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 3:34:44 PM, John Williams wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> My brother was in the active military for several years. He's in
>> the National Guard to increase his retirement pay.
>>
>> I hope he lives to enjoy it.:(

>     Karen, I hope he stays in the rear with the gear.  But whatever
> happens, don't let him get captured.

That's definitely on my list of things I don't want to have
happen to him.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> Betty:
>
> >-- Richard Perle, head of board that advises U.S. Secretary of Defense
> >Donald Rumsfeld, resigns.
>
> And what a pathetic whiny resignation letter it was.

The administration was getting too much flak about Perle and his obvious
business connections. But he still will be "advising," even though not
in an official positin.

alyce

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02003-03-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Saturday, March 29, 2003, 2:51:10 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I have a persistent pain in my neck. I just remembered today that
> > this is the same spot that was aching two months ago, and at various
> > other times since. It's deep inside--nowhere close to the surface.
> > What do I do about it, and is it a credible bioterror threat. Thanks ...
>
> Bioterror? I don't think so.

Whew ...

> Get a foam roller and learn how to use it or go to a massage therapist.
> And think about a different pillow.

I don't use a pillow.

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02003-03-29 | BF Clark <bfclark2@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> At 02:51 PM 3/29/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >I have a persistent pain in my neck. I just remembered today that
> >this is the same spot that was aching two months ago, and at various
> >other times since. It's deep inside--nowhere close to the surface.
> >What do I do about it, and is it a credible bioterror threat. Thanks ...
>
> You need to have an ergonomic evaluation of your workstation and do
> stretches.
>
> http://www.uhs.berkeley.edu/Facstaff/Ergonomics/computer/index.htm

A big DUH! I will look at this, of course, but here's a monitor to
my right which I constantly turn to look at ... I need to rearrange

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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 4:36:38 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> I don't use a pillow.

You and Gandhi...

Do you sleep on your back? Or your side?

ET #3

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02003-03-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Saturday, March 29, 2003, 4:36:38 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I don't use a pillow.
>
> You and Gandhi...
>
> Do you sleep on your back? Or your side?

It varies. I TRY to sleep on my back, who knows what
happens later.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Do you sleep on your back? Or your side?
>
> It varies. I TRY to sleep on my back, who knows what
> happens later.

Do you do pilates?

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02003-03-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Saturday, March 29, 2003, 3:08:50 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
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> > the same diagram that Stanford uses!!! It's a conspiracy!!!
>
> P.S. And the scariest thing is how much that picture looks like
> Tushar.

Hm, now that you mention it, it really does! S-C-A-R-Y!

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02003-03-29 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
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> > > Do you sleep on your back? Or your side?
> >
> > It varies. I TRY to sleep on my back, who knows what
> > happens later.
>
> Do you do pilates?

What is it? If you can't do it involunatarily, then I don't.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
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> > And think about a different pillow.
>
> I don't use a pillow.

You were not asked to use a pillow. She only wants you to think of a
different one than the one you have been thinking of.

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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 4:40:13 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Saturday, March 29, 2003, 4:36:38 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > I don't use a pillow.
>>
>> You and Gandhi...
>>
>> Do you sleep on your back? Or your side?

> It varies. I TRY to sleep on my back, who knows what
> happens later.

Well, just make sure a) you don't sleep on your front and b) you
don't sleep on your side without using a pillow.

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02003-03-29 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > And think about a different pillow.
> >
> > I don't use a pillow.
>
> You were not asked to use a pillow. She only wants you to think of a
> different one than the one you have been thinking of.

I haven't thought about a pillow for a while. Should I
think about one and then think about a different one?

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02003-03-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Well, just make sure a) you don't sleep on your front and b) you
> don't sleep on your side without using a pillow.

K-R-N, these amazing insights into sleeping posture are giving
me an entirely new perspective on life! Hot damn!

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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 4:52:21 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Well, just make sure a) you don't sleep on your front and b) you
>> don't sleep on your side without using a pillow.

> K-R-N, these amazing insights into sleeping posture are giving
> me an entirely new perspective on life! Hot damn!

I find that hard to believe, Tush Man, but I don't care because
I'm eating red beans and rice and my life is complete. At least,
my proteins are...

ET #3

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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 17:30:39 -0600
From: Karen Kay <Karen@WordWrite.com>
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Kristin, this is a book review that was on Linguist. I thought it
was sort of interesting and sort of related to what we had been
talking about, thought not really directly.

Carpelan, Christian, Asko Parpola and Petteri Koskikalio, ed.
(2002) Early Contacts between Uralic and Indo-European:
Linguistic and Archeological Considerations, Finno-Ugrian
Society.

http://tinyurl.com/8fch

Karen

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I just got e-mail from Howard Dean.  Well, sort of.  I don't think he's
sitting there writing personal replies, especially since it didn't seem
like exactly a personal e-mail address.  But I still like it, and I
think he almost certainly did write (or at least approve) the text of
the automatic reply to contributors.  As odd as it seems to me to be
sending money to an MD, married to another MD, I felt compelled to put
my money where my mouth has been and send a contribution.  Politics in
our country works that way.  Without contributions, a candidate, no
matter how rich he or she may be, won't be taken seriously.

Anyway, I liked the reply:

> Thank you for your contribution to Dean for America.
> Your support will help me share a new vision for America that
> includes:
>
> · Guaranteed access to quality health care for every American.
> · An American foreign policy that embraces multi-lateralism, and that would
> seek to resolve conflicts in concert with our allies.
> · A federal budget that is balanced, because we can only have social justice
> if we have a strong fiscal foundation.
>
> Your continued support is critical to our campaign's success. I hope you
> also will consider inviting your family, friends, and associates to visit
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^
                              hahahahaha!
    (my <family> -- my RRB&SIL -- are frolicking in Vail right now,
thinking      Republican thoughts -- I bet it baffles them that an MD
could think like Dean --
     then again, I bet they aren't even aware of his existence -- they
are not
     exactly on top of news of any kind -- I did tell before, didn't I,
about how
     Reagan said to my RRSIL when she was visiting him in his hotel room
in
     California when he was Pres, "I'm counting on you to help me with
the Bork
     matter," and she said later to me, "Who is Bork?")

> www.deanforamerica.com and make a contribution to our campaign.
>
> With best wishes,
> Howard Dean, MD
>
> Tell a Friend:
> http://www.deanforamerica.com/dean.cfm?section=involved&page=tell

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I understand how people get hooked on things.

Last week, I went to Ligniere's favorite thrift store (which is
now mine, too) to buy a vase for the betta that was given to me.
When I was there, they gave me a ticket and said that there would
be a drawing, and the winners would be posted this week, and you
had to claim your prize by Saturday afternoon. I saw the ticket
in my purse yesterday, but it took me a while to remember what it
was for.

So this afternoon, I headed out to the thrift store. And promptly
forgot about the ticket till I was making my purchases. (I never
claimed to have a memory.) Everyone was so excited that I *won*
(since only one other person--out of 10 winners--had claimed
their prize), that I decided to blow this money on nice things
instead of things I need. (My other thrilling purchases were a
soup ladle and a spring-form pan.) This store has *great*
stuff--they had a wonderful bamboo steamer once, but it was $9,
and I just couldn't see it. They also had a beautiful deco milk
glass piece for $12, which I also passed on. And they've had
wonderful books--this is where Ligniere bought the book we read
bits to each other of at.

I spent about half an hour prowling the shelves, and came up with
a bright yellow patterned Italian tea-for-one set. I didn't
realize until I started prowling E-Bay that that's what these are
called. I couldn't find a picture like mine, but I did find a
number of them that I wouldn't mind having! Like this one:
http://tinyurl.com/8fl6 or this one: http://tinyurl.com/8flm or
this one: http://tinyurl.com/8flo or... Well, you get the point.
I could easily be an addict, and I'm grateful I don't have any
money, or I'd be drinking tea out of a different pot every day of
the week. For some reason, there were about 30 I Love Lucy tea
sets on E-Bay: http://tinyurl.com/8fm2.

I also bought a sugarbowl shaped like a pear. This one
http://tinyurl.com/8fii is very much like mine, but mine is made
in Japan and it's nicer. I haven't owned a sugarbowl for a long,
long time, so this is <special>.

Karen

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Last year (and probably this year, too, but I haven't been
in lately), Kohl's had a bunch of these in hideous floral
patterns.  They struck me as something you'd by your
grandmother as a last-minute gift.

Karen Kay wrote:

> I understand how people get hooked on things.
>
> Last week, I went to Ligniere's favorite thrift store (which is
> now mine, too) to buy a vase for the betta that was given to me.
> When I was there, they gave me a ticket and said that there would
> be a drawing, and the winners would be posted this week, and you
> had to claim your prize by Saturday afternoon. I saw the ticket
> in my purse yesterday, but it took me a while to remember what it
> was for.
>
> So this afternoon, I headed out to the thrift store. And promptly
> forgot about the ticket till I was making my purchases. (I never
> claimed to have a memory.) Everyone was so excited that I *won*
> (since only one other person--out of 10 winners--had claimed
> their prize), that I decided to blow this money on nice things
> instead of things I need. (My other thrilling purchases were a
> soup ladle and a spring-form pan.) This store has *great*
> stuff--they had a wonderful bamboo steamer once, but it was $9,
> and I just couldn't see it. They also had a beautiful deco milk
> glass piece for $12, which I also passed on. And they've had
> wonderful books--this is where Ligniere bought the book we read
> bits to each other of at.
>
> I spent about half an hour prowling the shelves, and came up with
> a bright yellow patterned Italian tea-for-one set. I didn't
> realize until I started prowling E-Bay that that's what these are
> called. I couldn't find a picture like mine, but I did find a
> number of them that I wouldn't mind having! Like this one:
> http://tinyurl.com/8fl6 or this one: http://tinyurl.com/8flm or
> this one: http://tinyurl.com/8flo or... Well, you get the point.
> I could easily be an addict, and I'm grateful I don't have any
> money, or I'd be drinking tea out of a different pot every day of
> the week. For some reason, there were about 30 I Love Lucy tea
> sets on E-Bay: http://tinyurl.com/8fm2.
>
> I also bought a sugarbowl shaped like a pear. This one
> http://tinyurl.com/8fii is very much like mine, but mine is made
> in Japan and it's nicer. I haven't owned a sugarbowl for a long,
> long time, so this is <special>.
>
> Karen
>
>


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Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 8:43:02 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Last year (and probably this year, too, but I haven't been
> in lately), Kohl's had a bunch of these in hideous floral
> patterns.  They struck me as something you'd by your
> grandmother as a last-minute gift.

Yes--there are some of those for sale on E-Bay, too--they
specifically mention Kohl's. These sets vary a lot from the
modernly imaginative to the very elegant (some nice Limoges ones)
and they cover all the ground in between, including shlock. I haven't
liked most of these sets that I've seen in my life. I like the
one I bought, and some of the ones I saw on E-Bay, like the tiger
print one or the Alice one.

ET #3

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From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@maynor.net>
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In my roaming around in Wmart today I noticed some Last Supper
"sculptures" (that's what the boxes said) -- some tacky-looking plastic
things of Jesus et al at the Last Supper, and I noticed that there was a
choice of white or black -- as in Jesus and the Disciples were all white
or were all black.  That struck me as odd for real historical figures,
whose races we know, afaik (in as much as "race" can be defined, which I
realize that it can't totally be -- but I think it's been pretty well
established that they were <Middle Eastern>).  I've seen lots of black
Santa Clauses through the years, which did not strike me as odd even
though the traditional pictures of SC are white.  It makes sense to me
for SC to be of whatever race you want him to be.  Do any of you find
the idea of a choice of all-black vs all-white Last Supper partakers
odd, or was my thought simply mutant?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 09:08 PM 3/29/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>In my roaming around in Wmart today I noticed some Last Supper
>"sculptures" (that's what the boxes said) -- some tacky-looking plastic
>things of Jesus et al at the Last Supper, and I noticed that there was a
>choice of white or black -- as in Jesus and the Disciples were all white
>or were all black.  That struck me as odd for real historical figures,
>whose races we know, afaik (in as much as "race" can be defined, which I
>realize that it can't totally be -- but I think it's been pretty well
>established that they were <Middle Eastern>).  I've seen lots of black
>Santa Clauses through the years, which did not strike me as odd even
>though the traditional pictures of SC are white.  It makes sense to me
>for SC to be of whatever race you want him to be.  Do any of you find
>the idea of a choice of all-black vs all-white Last Supper partakers
>odd, or was my thought simply mutant?

I think they must have been brown. It doesn't matter.

Betty

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BF Clark wrote:

> I think they must have been brown. It doesn't matter.

I would guess tan as the <color> of Jesus et al.  What struck me as odd
in Wmart was the choice between dark brown and off-white.

Are the rest of you feeling as ground down by this war as I am, or is
that also mutant?  Obviously people like Doris have personal reasons to
feel it majorly.  But I'm talking about the rest of us.  I'm feeling
that it's eating my guts out, tossing my body around, turning me upside
down.  I keep trying to detach myself from it, but I can't.  Even little
things (as in little re the huge horror) start me wondering about
things, like whether to believe CNN that the missile that hit the Kuwait
mall yesterday was an Iraqi missile or CBS that it was likely a misfired
US missile.  What difference does it make?  War is shit (and in that
particular example, it really wasn't all that significant since nobody
died).  This whole horrible mess is eating at me more than any past war
in my life.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 9:36:20 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> This whole horrible mess is eating at me more than any past war
> in my life.

Then stop watching it. It will still eat at you, but it won't be
quite so bad.

ET #3

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02003-03-29 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Last year (and probably this year, too, but I haven't been
> in lately), Kohl's had a bunch of these in hideous floral
> patterns.  They struck me as something you'd by your
> grandmother as a last-minute gift.

Yes, but the non-hideous ones could easily become very addictive!

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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 9:56:56 PM, ET #5 wrote:
> 02003-03-29 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>> Last year (and probably this year, too, but I haven't been
>> in lately), Kohl's had a bunch of these in hideous floral
>> patterns.  They struck me as something you'd by your
>> grandmother as a last-minute gift.

> Yes, but the non-hideous ones could easily become very addictive!

How well you understand me, ET! I love you!

ET #3

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In a message dated 03/28/2003 10:03:25 PM Central Standard Time,
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<<
My brother will probably be deployed in May.:(

Karen

>>

I'm sorry, Karen.

Evelyn Duncan
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i'm going to have to get a wrist brace because my right wrist and
hand hurt.  does anyone have any suggestions on brand and
price?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 10:08:15 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> i'm going to have to get a wrist brace because my right wrist and
> hand hurt.  does anyone have any suggestions on brand and
> price?

The one I had that I liked the best was a) washable, b)
switchable from right to left, and c) had a removable metal
insert. I don't know if I still have it (don't need it any more
because of Pilates), but I used it off and on for nearly 15
years.

ET #3

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> i'm going to have to get a wrist brace because my right wrist and
> hand hurt.  does anyone have any suggestions on brand and
> price?

The Sweed-O brace was good for my ankle. The people at the medical supplies
shop highly recommended that brand to me. As to how much it cost, there I
can't help; it was a $13 co-pay. :(

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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>
> Are the rest of you feeling as ground down by this war as I am, or is
> that also mutant?  Obviously people like Doris have personal reasons
to
> feel it majorly.  But I'm talking about the rest of us.  I'm feeling
> that it's eating my guts out, tossing my body around, turning me
upside
> down.  I keep trying to detach myself from it, but I can't.  Even
little
> things (as in little re the huge horror) start me wondering about
> things, like whether to believe CNN that the missile that hit the
Kuwait
> mall yesterday was an Iraqi missile or CBS that it was likely a
misfired
> US missile.  What difference does it make?  War is shit (and in that
> particular example, it really wasn't all that significant since nobody
> died).  This whole horrible mess is eating at me more than any past
war
> in my life.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

We have never watched a war on TV before.

              - D. M.

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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 10:33:13 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> We have never watched a war on TV before.

I remember watching VietNam on TV every night.

ET #3

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In a message dated 3/29/2003 7:22:30 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< I haven't owned a sugarbowl for a long,
long time, so this is <special>.
 >>

Good grief, no sugarbowl? You're practically <uncivilized> :-}
Theo

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> Saturday, March 29, 2003, 10:33:13 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> > We have never watched a war on TV before.
>
> I remember watching VietNam on TV every night.
>
> ET #3

I'm sure you are right.  I have forgotten.  Were
the reporters "embedded"?

                 - D. M.

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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 10:32:29 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:
> In a message dated 3/29/2003 7:22:30 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> << I haven't owned a sugarbowl for a long,
> long time, so this is <special>.
>  >>

> Good grief, no sugarbowl? You're practically <uncivilized> :-}

Well, if you don't add sugar to anything, you don't need a
sugarbowl. I don't add sugar to anything, except when I'm
cooking, and then I reach in the canister. I broke my other
sugarbowl, but I remember that the sugar in it had to be replaced
regularly because it would get all hard and ucky. And I think
*that* uncivilized.

ET #3

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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 10:41:38 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>> Saturday, March 29, 2003, 10:33:13 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>> > We have never watched a war on TV before.
>>
>> I remember watching VietNam on TV every night.
>>
>> ET #3

> I'm sure you are right.  I have forgotten.  Were
> the reporters "embedded"?

Yes, as far as I know. Enough of them were killed that I think
they had to be. I can't believe you've forgotten this.

ET #3

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----- Original Message -----
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> At 07:15 PM 3/28/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >BF Clark wrote:
> >
> > > >You're sounding as badhairish-day as Rita.  My point is that nobody
has
> > > >yet given an explanation of why.  Surely with all the versatility and
> > > >erudition present here somebody would have explained it by now.
> > >
> > > You didn't ask why, my darlin.  One only needs to ask.
> > >
> > > I don't know.   Don't care.  So there.
> >
> >You have to remember that my gggggg-grandparents were just ignorant
> >furriners.  So you can't expect me to be always logical.
>
> That's true and it wouldn't be any fun if you were.
>
> Larry took his tick and his arm to the doctor.  He is not back yet.
>
> BB
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alec

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In a message dated 03/29/2003 10:32:15 PM Central Standard Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
I remember watching VietNam on TV every night.

>>

Me, too.  Every evening we watched the local ABC
(Akron, not Cleveland) station for local and national
news, including the VietNam War coverage.  But then
it wasn't on 24/7 covered by cable networks that can
devote all of their hours to one single topic.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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gets the cheese.

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In a message dated 3/29/2003 8:08:45 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< I've seen lots of black
Santa Clauses through the years, which did not strike me as odd even
though the traditional pictures of SC are white.  >>

St.Nicolas was a Spanish bishop, therefor he had to be white. His helper,
Pieter was black. We never had the American version in my country. On the 5th
of December, St. Nicholas's birthday, we put our shoe by the fireplace, and
it was filled with goodies if you had been a good girl/boy all year. None of
this had anything to do with X-MAS, as it was a completely different holiday.
Theo

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Washable is good, Karen, and I'd be wearing it outside of
work.  I don't date wear it at work; I can imagine getting
krab dressing or cole slaw on it.  In case you're wondering,
krab is imitation crab.

Evelyn Duncan
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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 10:48:42 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Me, too.  Every evening we watched the local ABC
> (Akron, not Cleveland) station for local and national
> news, including the VietNam War coverage.  But then
> it wasn't on 24/7 covered by cable networks that can
> devote all of their hours to one single topic.

You're right about that. But, of course, watching the war 24/7 is
an effective way to go crazy, if that's your inclination.

A shrink friend is suggesting that her clients, especially those
who tend toward depression, watch at most an hour per day of war
coverage. I think that's excellent advice.

ET #3

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In a message dated 03/29/2003 10:26:12 PM Central Standard Time,
adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<<
As to how much it cost, there I
can't help; it was a $13 co-pay. :(

>>

I'd have to pay full price.  Maybe I could get Mom to sew
an elastic band to wear around my wrist.

Evelyn Duncan
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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 10:52:05 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Washable is good, Karen, and I'd be wearing it outside of
> work.  I don't date wear it at work; I can imagine getting
> krab dressing or cole slaw on it.  In case you're wondering,
> krab is imitation crab.

I know. It's dyed and extruded fish, primarily pollack. I can't
stand the aftertaste.

I was always told to wear mine while I sleep. You don't want to
wear it during the day, you can end up hurting the muscles you
need to strengthen.

ET #3

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In a message dated 03/29/2003 10:55:23 PM Central Standard Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
I know. It's dyed and extruded fish, primarily pollack. I can't
stand the aftertaste.

>>

Imagine having to make the salad. Every day.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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gets the cheese.

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02003-03-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Saturday, March 29, 2003, 9:56:56 PM, ET #5 wrote:
> > 02003-03-29 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >> Last year (and probably this year, too, but I haven't been
> >> in lately), Kohl's had a bunch of these in hideous floral
> >> patterns.  They struck me as something you'd by your
> >> grandmother as a last-minute gift.
>
> > Yes, but the non-hideous ones could easily become very addictive!
>
> How well you understand me, ET! I love you!
>
> ET #3

There is no freakin T in ET past 3 ...

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02003-03-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> A shrink friend is suggesting that her clients, especially those
> who tend toward depression, watch at most an hour per day of war
> coverage. I think that's excellent advice.

That's a pretty cool new idea ... BTW here's one more thing I recently
heard from somebody: they were very much opposed to the war from the
start. But now that it has begun, it strikes them that the best thing
to do is push ahead inexorably, because it would be amazingly bad for
image otherwise. Struck me as a rather sensible thought, actually.

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02003-03-30 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> That's a pretty cool new idea ... BTW here's one more thing I recently
> heard from somebody: they were very much opposed to the war from the
> start. But now that it has begun, it strikes them that the best thing
> to do is push ahead inexorably, because it would be amazingly bad for
> image otherwise. Struck me as a rather sensible thought, actually.

I remember a couple of other thoughts people have expressed on this
matter: one person I know says she didn't like the idea at first, but
the more she sees Iraqis fighting dirty, hiding in civilian clothes
or pretending to surrender, the more she is for the war. Another
person told me he didn't really believe Saddam had much to do with
9/11, but now he thinks the government must know *something*, or
why would they go to anything this extreme. Maybe the blogs have
gotten everyone thinking, or maybe it's just the media as of old.

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-03-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
= > A shrink friend is suggesting that her clients, especially those
= > who tend toward depression, watch at most an hour per day of war
= > coverage. I think that's excellent advice.
=
= That's a pretty cool new idea ... BTW here's one more thing I recently
= heard from somebody: they were very much opposed to the war from the
= start. But now that it has begun, it strikes them that the best thing
= to do is push ahead inexorably, because it would be amazingly bad for
= image otherwise. Struck me as a rather sensible thought, actually.

I don't know if I can stand much more of this nonsense from you.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Then stop watching it. It will still eat at you, but it won't be
> quite so bad.

But I want to know what else is going on in the country and the world.
It's hard to get to other news (not that there's been much coverage of
other news anyway) without being faced with the opening pages full of
giant headlines and pictures on all the news sites I go to.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> i'm going to have to get a wrist brace because my right wrist and
> hand hurt.  does anyone have any suggestions on brand and
> price?

Why do they hurt?

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Doris Markland wrote:

> We have never watched a war on TV before.

I haven't had my tv set on more than once, maybe twice, since the war
started.  But I guess web news is the same thing in a way -- as in it's
the <embedded> reporters who are reporting it as it happens, regardless
of the medium one chooses for news-getting.  And the news sites I
usually go to first happen to be those related to tv (cnn.com and
cbsnews.com).  The newspaper sites are basically the same, though.  And
even the Starkville Daily News, which is intended as primarily local --
it does not pretend to cover national and international news thoroughly,
has huge war headlines on the front page every day.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> sugarbowl, but I remember that the sugar in it had to be replaced
> regularly because it would get all hard and ucky. And I think
> *that* uncivilized.

Mine doesn't seem to get hard and ucky.  And I think the sugar in it is
the same sugar that was in it before I moved almost two years ago.
About the only time the sugarbowl is unlidded is when the person who
visits Starkville a couple of times a year and normally stays with me
comes to visit.  She puts sugar in her coffee.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I'm sure you are right.  I have forgotten.  Were
> > the reporters "embedded"?
>
> Yes, as far as I know. Enough of them were killed that I think
> they had to be. I can't believe you've forgotten this.

Isn't the difference in this war that the reporters weren't embedded in
the same way in the past -- as in being assigned to particular military
units and moving with them wherever they went -- but that instead the
reporters just sort of roved around on their own in search of the news?
I don't really know what I'm talking about.  Didn't have a tv set during
most of Vietnam.  But I think I've read something about how the current
embedding is different from past wars.

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Also, isn't part of the <immediateness> of this war's coverage related
to the technical devices available now that weren't available during
Vietnam or maybe even some of the more recent conflicts?  Again, I don't
know what I'm talking about -- can't even be more specific than just
"technical devices" -- but can't these embedded people spew graphics
etc. more quickly and clearly than in the past?

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> << I've seen lots of black
> Santa Clauses through the years, which did not strike me as odd even
> though the traditional pictures of SC are white.  >>
>
> St.Nicolas was a Spanish bishop, therefor he had to be white. His helper,

But Santa Claus as he operates in the world today isn't that Spanish
bishop.  I see that as different from pictures or sculptures of a
historical event like The Last Supper.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> A shrink friend is suggesting that her clients, especially those
> who tend toward depression, watch at most an hour per day of war
> coverage. I think that's excellent advice.

I would consider spending an hour a day on war coverage quite excessive.

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In a message dated 03/30/2003 6:34:27 AM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
Why do they hurt?


>>

Meat:  slicing meat, grabbing it and stuffing it into bags.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 6:33:15 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> But I want to know what else is going on in the country and the world.
> It's hard to get to other news (not that there's been much coverage of
> other news anyway) without being faced with the opening pages full of
> giant headlines and pictures on all the news sites I go to.

Then find another way to get news. You can make choices here,
Natalie. You're not an unwilling victim of the media, you know.

ET #3

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 6:42:10 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> sugarbowl, but I remember that the sugar in it had to be replaced
>> regularly because it would get all hard and ucky. And I think
>> *that* uncivilized.

> Mine doesn't seem to get hard and ucky.  And I think the sugar in it is
> the same sugar that was in it before I moved almost two years ago.
> About the only time the sugarbowl is unlidded is when the person who
> visits Starkville a couple of times a year and normally stays with me
> comes to visit.  She puts sugar in her coffee.

Then I must just be a bad person for having had my sugar clump.
Shame on me!

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > But I want to know what else is going on in the country and the world.
> > It's hard to get to other news (not that there's been much coverage of
> > other news anyway) without being faced with the opening pages full of
> > giant headlines and pictures on all the news sites I go to.
>
> Then find another way to get news. You can make choices here,
> Natalie. You're not an unwilling victim of the media, you know.

I would appreciate some suggestions of other ways to get news.
Seriously.  My normal way in the pre-web days was to read one or more
newspapers a day and one or more news magazines a week.  I continue to
do the above but also use web sites now.  And I listen to NPR when I'm
in my car -- little snippets of whatever is on.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> In my roaming around in Wmart today I noticed some Last Supper
> "sculptures" (that's what the boxes said) -- some tacky-looking plastic
> things of Jesus et al at the Last Supper, and I noticed that there was a
> choice of white or black -- as in Jesus and the Disciples were all white
> or were all black.  That struck me as odd for real historical figures,
> whose races we know, afaik (in as much as "race" can be defined, which I
> realize that it can't totally be -- but I think it's been pretty well
> established that they were <Middle Eastern>).  I've seen lots of black
> Santa Clauses through the years, which did not strike me as odd even
> though the traditional pictures of SC are white.  It makes sense to me
> for SC to be of whatever race you want him to be.  Do any of you find
> the idea of a choice of all-black vs all-white Last Supper partakers
> odd, or was my thought simply mutant?


        Nope, I don't find it odd at all.  Everything of that nature
comes in two races in No. County because we're about 60% AA.
  I think it is only natural to want one's god to look like
oneself.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Saturday, March 29, 2003, 10:33:13 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>
>>We have never watched a war on TV before.
>>
>
> I remember watching VietNam on TV every night.
>


        Yes, I remember the body counts, etc. on the news when I was
a little girl.




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Karen Kay wrote:

> Then I must just be a bad person for having had my sugar clump.
> Shame on me!

I hadn't thought of it as having anything to do with the person
involved.  I thought of it as having to do with the type of bowl
involved.  But perhaps it's true that the person chooses the bowl and
thus is shameworthy -- or just unlucky.  (I don't remember thinking
about the anti-clump question when choosing my bowl.  I was just lucky,
I guess.)

--
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Rita Chapman wrote:

>   I think it is only natural to want one's god to look like
> oneself.

I agree, but these were real, live people supposedly.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/29/2003 8:08:45 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
> << I've seen lots of black
> Santa Clauses through the years, which did not strike me as odd even
> though the traditional pictures of SC are white.  >>
>
> St.Nicolas was a Spanish bishop, therefor he had to be white. His helper,
> Pieter was black. We never had the American version in my country. On the 5th
> of December, St. Nicholas's birthday, we put our shoe by the fireplace, and
> it was filled with goodies if you had been a good girl/boy all year. None of
> this had anything to do with X-MAS, as it was a completely different holiday.


        St. Nicholas was probably Turkish.  God, you're stupid.



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At 09:36 PM 3/29/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>BF Clark wrote:
>
> > I think they must have been brown. It doesn't matter.
>
>I would guess tan as the <color> of Jesus et al.  What struck me as odd
>in Wmart was the choice between dark brown and off-white.
>
>Are the rest of you feeling as ground down by this war as I am, or is
>that also mutant?  Obviously people like Doris have personal reasons to
>feel it majorly.  But I'm talking about the rest of us.  I'm feeling
>that it's eating my guts out, tossing my body around, turning me upside
>down.  I keep trying to detach myself from it, but I can't.  Even little
>things (as in little re the huge horror) start me wondering about
>things, like whether to believe CNN that the missile that hit the Kuwait
>mall yesterday was an Iraqi missile or CBS that it was likely a misfired
>US missile.  What difference does it make?  War is shit (and in that
>particular example, it really wasn't all that significant since nobody
>died).  This whole horrible mess is eating at me more than any past war
>in my life.

Stop watching it, Natalie.  You need to get away for a while.  There are
some coping strategies here.

http://uhs.berkeley.edu/Updates/guidance.htm

Betty

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At 11:08 PM 3/29/2003 -0500, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>i'm going to have to get a wrist brace because my right wrist and
>hand hurt.  does anyone have any suggestions on brand and
>price?

Send me your address. They were giving them away last week at work because
we have "new & improved" versions.  I'll see if there are any left tomorrow.

Betty

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At 11:38 PM 3/29/2003 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
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> > Larry took his tick and his arm to the doctor.  He is not back yet.
> >
> > BB
> >
>
>I'll pray for his health.

Thank you.

B

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>  I think it is only natural to want one's god to look like
>>oneself.
>>
>
> I agree, but these were real, live people supposedly.
>


        In this case, I don't think their realness is relevant.
Witness all the blond and blue-eyed Jesuses and Disciples.




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At 01:20 AM 3/30/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-03-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > A shrink friend is suggesting that her clients, especially those
> > who tend toward depression, watch at most an hour per day of war
> > coverage. I think that's excellent advice.
>
>That's a pretty cool new idea ... BTW here's one more thing I recently
>heard from somebody: they were very much opposed to the war from the
>start. But now that it has begun, it strikes them that the best thing
>to do is push ahead inexorably, because it would be amazingly bad for
>image otherwise. Struck me as a rather sensible thought, actually.

Make it end.

Betty

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BF Clark wrote:

> Stop watching it, Natalie.

But that returns us to the question of how to know what's going on in
the world.  I've been pondering what Karen said about finding other ways
to get news, but I seriously don't know what these other ways are.  If I
give up newspapers, magazines, and websites, where will I learn things?
Hmm.  Maybe through word of mouth -- as in people here on Words-L or
people in my ftf world might mention interesting news.  I think that
would be hard, though -- hard for me to adjust to, I mean.

--
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I'm not sure that a totally healthy Bogans would have made much difference
last night.  I'm chuckling now about all of the pundits who were moaning
about Kentucky and Arizona having to meet in the semifinals of the Final
Four.  Both have gone home now.

cwv

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         In this case, I don't think their realness is relevant.
> Witness all the blond and blue-eyed Jesuses and Disciples.

Blonde, blue-eyed Jesuses and Disciples??  Where are they?  I've never
seen them.

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>
> Are the rest of you feeling as ground down by this war as I am, or is
> that also mutant?  Obviously people like Doris have personal reasons
to
> feel it majorly.  But I'm talking about the rest of us.  I'm feeling
> that it's eating my guts out, tossing my body around, turning me
upside
> down.  I keep trying to detach myself from it, but I can't.  Even
little
> things (as in little re the huge horror) start me wondering about
> things, like whether to believe CNN that the missile that hit the
Kuwait
> mall yesterday was an Iraqi missile or CBS that it was likely a
misfired
> US missile.  What difference does it make?  War is shit (and in that
> particular example, it really wasn't all that significant since nobody
> died).  This whole horrible mess is eating at me more than any past
war
> in my life.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I rented 3 movies last night.  Watched two of them.
They were worse than the war.

                    - D. M.

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At 08:42 AM 3/30/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>BF Clark wrote:
>
> > Stop watching it, Natalie.
>
>But that returns us to the question of how to know what's going on in
>the world.  I've been pondering what Karen said about finding other ways
>to get news, but I seriously don't know what these other ways are.  If I
>give up newspapers, magazines, and websites, where will I learn things?
>Hmm.  Maybe through word of mouth -- as in people here on Words-L or
>people in my ftf world might mention interesting news.  I think that
>would be hard, though -- hard for me to adjust to, I mean.
>
>-

Just go to lunch and get the highlights.

Betty

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>A shrink friend is suggesting that her clients, especially those
>who tend toward depression, watch at most an hour per day of war
>coverage. I think that's excellent advice.
>ET #3

An hour a day seems like a lot to me.  I don't watch any TV news.  But then
I never did.   When Dan Rather broke into my soaps on Friday, I turned the
sound off, left the room, and checked back a few times until he was done
and unreality had returned.  I do read the newspaper.  Even that is getting
me down in the way Natalie mentioned.  But I'm pretty much able to put it
out of my mind for most of the day.  But, then, I haven't suffered the loss
of my mother in the last few months the way Natalie has.   Every loss
reminds one of the previous losses in one's life and makes everything harder.


    --bonniev

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>Isn't the difference in this war that the reporters weren't embedded in
>the same way in the past -- as in being assigned to particular military
>units and moving with them wherever they went -- but that instead the
>reporters just sort of roved around on their own in search of the news?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I think you are right.  I liked the Doonesbury comment the other day that
the Stockholm Syndrome should kick in for the embedded journalists any day
now.  I also liked the short article in the New Yorker written by a
journalist who unembedded himself just before his unit moved into Iraq.  He
decided he could leave and he would.  He didn't like the idea of being the
guinea pig who would suffer the chemical poisoning along with the rest but
who had to be there because the world would never believe the US Army had
been poisoned or gassed by the enemy unless a journalist reported it.  Nor
did he like the drill to get the mask on in nine seconds or the drill to
get the injection into one's major thigh muscle and hold the needle down
for ten seconds.  Or the idea that if you vomit into your gas mask, the
chunks block the outgoing tube and you die.


    --bonniev

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>But that returns us to the question of how to know what's going on in
>the world.  I've been pondering what Karen said about finding other ways
>to get news, but I seriously don't know what these other ways are.  If I
>give up newspapers, magazines, and websites, where will I learn things?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Give up the websites first and see if that helps.  It's easier to just turn
the page when you only read the news in the newspaper.


    --bonniev

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I've never had a collection of anything.  When I was in grade school, we
had to submit a collection of something to some show that was awarded
prizes.  I won third place with my sister's collection of state
handkerchiefs.   I once read that collecting things is a bid for
immortality -- something that will live on after you.   Bah.  Humbug.


    --bonniev

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At 09:57 AM 3/30/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>Isn't the difference in this war that the reporters weren't embedded in
>>the same way in the past -- as in being assigned to particular military
>>units and moving with them wherever they went -- but that instead the
>>reporters just sort of roved around on their own in search of the news?
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>I think you are right.  I liked the Doonesbury comment the other day that
>the Stockholm Syndrome should kick in for the embedded journalists any day
>now.  I also liked the short article in the New Yorker written by a
>journalist who unembedded himself just before his unit moved into Iraq.  He
>decided he could leave and he would.  He didn't like the idea of being the
>guinea pig who would suffer the chemical poisoning along with the rest but
>who had to be there because the world would never believe the US Army had
>been poisoned or gassed by the enemy unless a journalist reported it.  Nor
>did he like the drill to get the mask on in nine seconds or the drill to
>get the injection into one's major thigh muscle and hold the needle down
>for ten seconds.  Or the idea that if you vomit into your gas mask, the
>chunks block the outgoing tube and you die.

You should be reporting, Bonnie.  I'm like <gagging>.

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        In this case, I don't think their realness is relevant.
>>Witness all the blond and blue-eyed Jesuses and Disciples.
>>
>
> Blonde, blue-eyed Jesuses and Disciples??  Where are they?  I've never
> seen them.


        *Shrug*.  You've never seen a lot things that are right in
front of you, Natalie.



--
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>You should be reporting, Bonnie.  I'm like <gagging>.
>Betty

Sorry.   Did Berkeley cancel the China trip or did you and Larry cancel out
of it?  Why would it be expensive to change your July airline tickets so
that you could go to Nova Scotia after all?  Isn't it just like $50 to
change a ticket??


    --bonniev

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At 09:50 AM 3/30/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>A shrink friend is suggesting that her clients, especially those
>>who tend toward depression, watch at most an hour per day of war
>>coverage. I think that's excellent advice.
>>ET #3
>
>An hour a day seems like a lot to me.  I don't watch any TV news.  But then
>I never did.   When Dan Rather broke into my soaps on Friday, I turned the
>sound off, left the room, and checked back a few times until he was done
>and unreality had returned.  I do read the newspaper.  Even that is getting
>me down in the way Natalie mentioned.  But I'm pretty much able to put it
>out of my mind for most of the day.  But, then, I haven't suffered the loss
>of my mother in the last few months the way Natalie has.   Every loss
>reminds one of the previous losses in one's life and makes everything harder.

Bonnie is right, Natalie.  You need to take care of yourself.  It's obvious
that all this has really been difficult for you.  I'm glad you are talking
about it though.

Betty

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At 09:50 AM 3/30/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
An hour a day seems like a lot to me.  I don't watch any TV news.  But then
>I never did.   When Dan Rather broke into my soaps on Friday, I turned the
>sound off, left the room, and checked back a few times until he was done
>and unreality had returned.

How can you stand to watch the soaps with all the commercials?  I thought
you taped them.

Betty

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I think I have a collection of books.  One of the things I
need to do this summer is buy a new bookcase and reorganize
them -- right now I have books piled and tucked away all
over the house, and I can never find the one I'm looking
for.  My books of poetry especially are overflowing their
assigned shelves.

bonniev wrote:

> I've never had a collection of anything.  When I was in grade school, we
> had to submit a collection of something to some show that was awarded
> prizes.  I won third place with my sister's collection of state
> handkerchiefs.   I once read that collecting things is a bid for
> immortality -- something that will live on after you.   Bah.  Humbug.
>
>
>    --bonniev
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>How can you stand to watch the soaps with all the commercials?  I thought
>you taped them.     --Betty

It's tough.  But I've had a lot to knit lately.  So I'm willing to sit
there for the full two hours and watch all the stupid commercials.

Hey Karen.  It's snowing like crazy in Syracuse right now.  They are
supposed to get six inches.  Maybe your evil twin won't be able to get back
home!


    --bonniev

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>I think I have a collection of books.  One of the things I
>need to do this summer is buy a new bookcase and reorganize
>them -- right now I have books piled and tucked away all
>over the house, and I can never find the one I'm looking
>for.  My books of poetry especially are overflowing their
>assigned shelves.      --Rita Rouvalis Chapman

I've sold lots of books in the past few years to The Big Chicken Barn.  You
and Ana might enjoy that place.   I have hung on to my complete set of Ruth
Rendell/Barbara Vine books.  I guess that's a collection.


    --bonniev

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On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 09:40 , Marie Ascher wrote:
>>> I do. I read it on words-l. Besides, I've met the hairy
>> sunofabitch and I
>>> promise, that ain't no woman.
>>
>> Hairy ?
>>
>> I seem to remember a shiny cranium lacking in hair. What do you know
>> about the bits we haven't seen ?
>
> Uh, have you noticed his face?

No, the glare from his forehead blinded me.
>
> Marie
>
Roy

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At 10:07 AM 3/30/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>I've never had a collection of anything.  When I was in grade school, we
>had to submit a collection of something to some show that was awarded
>prizes.  I won third place with my sister's collection of state
>handkerchiefs.   I once read that collecting things is a bid for
>immortality -- something that will live on after you.   Bah.  Humbug.

There are state handkerchiefs?

Betty

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At 10:10 AM 3/30/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>You should be reporting, Bonnie.  I'm like <gagging>.
>>Betty
>
>Sorry.   Did Berkeley cancel the China trip or did you and Larry cancel out
>of it?  Why would it be expensive to change your July airline tickets so
>that you could go to Nova Scotia after all?  Isn't it just like $50 to
>change a ticket??

Haven't heard from Berkeley. The woman who was the volunteer coordinator is
on vacation. We are following the CDC recommendation and postponing
nonessential travel.

  You can't change a ticket from hotwire.

Betty

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>>I won third place with my sister's collection of state
>>handkerchiefs.   I once read that collecting things is a bid for
>>immortality -- something that will live on after you.   Bah.  Humbug.
>
>There are state handkerchiefs?
>Betty

There were.  This would have been the 1950s.


    --bonniev

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In a message dated 03/30/2003 8:43:17 AM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
If I
give up newspapers, magazines, and websites, where will I learn things?

>>

There's no need to give them up.  It seems to me that they have a
built-in filter that TV doesn't; TV is more immediate.  Newspapers
and magazines depend not only on reporters to write the stories but
editors to go over the stories to "shape" them.

And if you want to learn what other countries are saying, you might
get a shortwave radio.  I started listening to mine recently.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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When I got my fish tank for free two years ago, there were six
fish in it. I was hoping they would die quickly, so I could
replace them with fish I liked. But no, they lived on and on and
on. Even when I went away and forgot to feed them for a week, no
problem.

Well, yesterday I did a massive water change (for the first time
in months) and this morning I woke up to 4 dead fish.

It looked like Iraq in the fish tank.

One was a floater, but the rest were draped over logs and plants.
(I think I didn't add enough conditioner to the water. Oops.)

Karen

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 8:43:45 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Blonde, blue-eyed Jesuses and Disciples??  Where are they?  I've never
> seen them.

Everyone knows that Jesus had light brown hair and brown eyes.
Really!

Did you never see a Japanese nativity scene in Japan, where the
baby Jesus is Japanese. I have a couple somewhere, I think...

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 9:15:30 AM, bonniev wrote:
> It's tough.  But I've had a lot to knit lately.

What are you making? I finished my knitting needles last night.
They are beeyoooootiful. I think I'm going to make all my
knitting needles forever and ever...

> Hey Karen.  It's snowing like crazy in Syracuse right now.  They are
> supposed to get six inches.  Maybe your evil twin won't be able to get back
> home!

Thanks for the happy thought, Bonnie.:-/

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 9:07:28 AM, bonniev wrote:
> I've never had a collection of anything.  When I was in grade school, we
> had to submit a collection of something to some show that was awarded
> prizes.

I think this is very weird. Though I did have a rock collection
at one point.

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 8:42:55 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> But that returns us to the question of how to know what's going on in
> the world.  I've been pondering what Karen said about finding other ways
> to get news, but I seriously don't know what these other ways are.  If I
> give up newspapers, magazines, and websites, where will I learn things?

You don't have to give them up. Turn the page. Don't look.

> Hmm.  Maybe through word of mouth -- as in people here on Words-L or
> people in my ftf world might mention interesting news.  I think that
> would be hard, though -- hard for me to adjust to, I mean.

It's no fun being you, is it?

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At 10:15 AM 3/30/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>When I got my fish tank for free two years ago, there were six
>fish in it. I was hoping they would die quickly, so I could
>replace them with fish I liked. But no, they lived on and on and
>on. Even when I went away and forgot to feed them for a week, no
>problem.
>
>Well, yesterday I did a massive water change (for the first time
>in months) and this morning I woke up to 4 dead fish.
>
>It looked like Iraq in the fish tank.
>
>One was a floater, but the rest were draped over logs and plants.
>(I think I didn't add enough conditioner to the water. Oops.)

Ooops indeed!   Is this a tank you have to heat?  I put mine outside and
planted something in it. The roots eventually busted through.

I liked it when Ryan had a snapping turtle in it and he would feed it gold
fish.  It was entertaining to watch the turtle chomp them.

Betty

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I rented 3 movies last night.  Watched two of them.
> They were worse than the war.

What were they?  I'm always impressed by attention spans that enable one
to watch more than one movie in a row.  One is my max.

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BF Clark wrote:

> Just go to lunch and get the highlights.

That's worth a try, I guess, although I might risk missing some local
event that I would like to attend.

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bonniev wrote:

> of my mother in the last few months the way Natalie has.   Every loss

I don't think there's any connection.

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 10:25:12 AM, BF Clark wrote:
> Ooops indeed!   Is this a tank you have to heat?

Yes, it has a heater.

> I liked it when Ryan had a snapping turtle in it and he would feed it gold
> fish.  It was entertaining to watch the turtle chomp them.

Augh.

I've wanted to do a saltwater tank, but that means I have to get
another tank for these fish. I guess I start haunting
austin.forsale.

The betta that's in with the Lucky Bamboo is doing well. He looks
happy.

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 10:23:24 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> bonniev wrote:
>> of my mother in the last few months the way Natalie has.   Every loss

> I don't think there's any connection.

Then you have a stone-cold heart. And I don't think that's the
case.

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bonniev wrote:

> for ten seconds.  Or the idea that if you vomit into your gas mask, the
> chunks block the outgoing tube and you die.

Remember when Whatshisname, the new member of the team and the one who
ended up being a hero and flying that helicopter back with the monkey,
ripped off his mask to vomit in Africa?  Fortunately, that was before
the stuff was airborne.

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At 10:23 AM 3/30/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>bonniev wrote:
>
> > of my mother in the last few months the way Natalie has.   Every loss
>
>I don't think there's any connection.

Probably more than you think.

Go look at open houses today and find one with a smaller yard in a quiet
neighborhood.

Betty

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bonniev wrote:

> Give up the websites first and see if that helps.  It's easier to just turn
> the page when you only read the news in the newspaper.

I've been thinking about which is easier -- as in easier to see what you
want to see without seeing what you don't want to see.  I'm not
convinced that the newspaper is easier.  At least on websites you can
click on most of what you want to read and not click on the rest.  But
the headlines are there, and lately most of the sites have big chunks of
war stuff written about right at the top of the first screen.

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PS: And even checking my e-mail when I use popmail means seeing war
stuff since Netscape first pops up a news thing on the mail page -- the
first time you open it, that is -- if you leave it open, you won't have
to see the news stuff popping up again.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
 Do any of you find
> the idea of a choice of all-black vs all-white Last Supper partakers
> odd, or was my thought simply mutant?

I am less concerned about the color than by the fact that someone would
have a plastic Last Supper in their house.

alyce

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 10:30:11 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> I am less concerned about the color than by the fact that someone would
> have a plastic Last Supper in their house.

Would you rather it be velvet?:)

Karen

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BF Clark wrote:

> There are state handkerchiefs?

Shrug.  You've never seen lots of things that are right in front of
you.  The state handkerchiefs are sitting there right beside the blonde,
blue-eyed Jesuses.

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It was his birthday yesterday.   Is mem's today or tomorrow?

Betty

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> In a message dated 03/30/2003 8:43:17 AM Central Standard Time,
> natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
> <<
> If I
> give up newspapers, magazines, and websites, where will I learn things?
> >>
>
> There's no need to give them up.

Then what is it that I'm supposed to give up?

> It seems to me that they have a
> built-in filter that TV doesn't; TV is more immediate.  Newspapers
> and magazines depend not only on reporters to write the stories but
> editors to go over the stories to "shape" them.

I rarely turn on tv.

> And if you want to learn what other countries are saying, you might
> get a shortwave radio.  I started listening to mine recently.

I hadn't thought of that.  I do have a shortwave radio.  Got it years
ago to listen to French, although it's a wimpy radio and almost never
picks up anything in French.  Lots of Spanish but little French.  I
should pull it out and see what I can find.  Re learning what other
countries are saying, I often read websites of newspapers in other
countries.  The main ones I read are The Daily Yomiuri, Le Monde, and
the International Herald Tribune (the last of which is USish, of course,
but it still has a European emphasis that you don't find in newspapers
right here).

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At 10:31 AM 3/30/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>BF Clark wrote:
>
> > There are state handkerchiefs?
>
>Shrug.  You've never seen lots of things that are right in front of
>you.  The state handkerchiefs are sitting there right beside the blonde,
>blue-eyed Jesuses.

Hey, I had the mother of Jesus in my house. Yes, blond and blue-eyed.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> One was a floater, but the rest were draped over logs and plants.

How are the two survivors reacting to the deaths of their friends?

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Karen Kay wrote:>
> Would you rather it be velvet?:)

No. I think they should be paintiings. Mine is painted and I like it a
lot. It's by some guy called DaVinci or something like that. Seems that
he didn't paint many because I haven't seen others like mine--only cheap
reproductions.

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Everyone knows that Jesus had light brown hair and brown eyes.
> Really!

I realize that the <usual> Jesus is probably lighter of hair and skin
than would be accurate, but I've never seen him with blonde hair or blue
eyes.

> Did you never see a Japanese nativity scene in Japan, where the
> baby Jesus is Japanese. I have a couple somewhere, I think...

No, I don't think I saw one.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Hmm.  Maybe through word of mouth -- as in people here on Words-L or
> > people in my ftf world might mention interesting news.  I think that
> > would be hard, though -- hard for me to adjust to, I mean.
>
> It's no fun being you, is it?

?  Why would it be less fun to be me than to be somebody else?

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> At 10:15 AM 3/30/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >When I got my fish tank for free two years ago, there were six
> >fish in it. I was hoping they would die quickly, so I could
> >replace them with fish I liked. But no, they lived on and on and
> >on. Even when I went away and forgot to feed them for a week, no
> >problem.
> >
> >Well, yesterday I did a massive water change (for the first time
> >in months) and this morning I woke up to 4 dead fish.
> >
> >It looked like Iraq in the fish tank.

-Karen

Maybe it wasn't your fault.
Maybe you had some suicide drowners.

          - D. M.

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BF Clark wrote:

> I liked it when Ryan had a snapping turtle in it and he would feed it gold
> fish.  It was entertaining to watch the turtle chomp them.

I wish I could remember the exact quotation that my mother found so
funny many years ago -- and repeated to me.  It was something my niece
had said about her other grandmother.  Something about how when she was
visiting her, she was not allowed to watch ordinary tv shows or movies
because her grandmother thought they included too much violence, so they
sat there watching tv scenes of animals killing each other.

The way my mother told it was funnier than that.

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> I'm not sure that a totally healthy Bogans would have made much
difference
> last night.  I'm chuckling now about all of the pundits who
were moaning
> about Kentucky and Arizona having to meet in the semifinals of
the Final
> Four.  Both have gone home now.
>
> cwv

I agree, Clyde -- Bogans was still a factor, playing through
pain.  How do you stop a performance like Dwyane (Good Lord, what
a spelling!) Wade's?  The comforting thing  is that the morning
call-in shows have all been upbeat.  Everybody realizes that we
had a great run, a great season.  I'm still partial to Kansas and
Syracuse, but will pump my fist for Marquette too.  Heck, that
may be too many favorites.

brad

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > I rented 3 movies last night.  Watched two of them.
> > They were worse than the war.
>
> What were they?  I'm always impressed by attention spans that enable
one
> to watch more than one movie in a row.  One is my max.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

The Bourne Identity   -- boring foreign intrigue

The Others -- weird

            - D. M.

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> > It's tough.  But I've had a lot to knit lately.
>
>What are you making? I finished my knitting needles last night.
>They are beeyoooootiful. I think I'm going to make all my
>knitting needles forever and ever...

What size are your knitting needles?   I just finished a zippered cardigan
made from heavy brown wool.  This is the one that had the inside pocket for
a cell phone.  Now I'm working on birthday sweaters for a one and
three-year-old whose birthdays are one day apart in mid-April.  After that
I have to finish my 21 blocks that spell out "Notre Dame Class of 2025".  I
have seven done so far.

>Thanks for the happy thought, Bonnie.:-/
>ET #3

I seem to be filled with them this rainy morning.


    --bonniev

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Tushar Samant wrote:

>02003-03-28 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
>
>
>>51-70 = Middle Age
>>
>>
>
>I'm sorry, thats' totally unacceptable. Do you mean 41-70? I mean
>I'll kind of accept 70, though to me it says "old". But to say you
>are not middle-aged at 45 is plain wrong ...
>
>
>
Yeah, you're right. I had no business laughing in the face of years and
years worth of scientific research when I made my own definitions, ones
that suited my own philosophies.

lisa

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BF Clark wrote:

> Go look at open houses today and find one with a smaller yard in a quiet
> neighborhood.

I love open houses, but I don't think there are any today.  They seem to
come in clumps -- like they'll have them a few Sundays in a row but then
not again for ages.  But I know pretty much what is available in town.
The only smaller yards in quiet neighborhoods would be overpriced
snouthouses in unpleasant settings.  Besides, I can't sell this house
until my pampas grass grows -- and since my neighbor's lawn service cut
it down, you can't even tell it's there.  I was thinking yesterday about
going and getting some more to plant, but I decided that it might not be
good to plant things right now since it's supposed to be in the 20s
tonight.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> have a plastic Last Supper in their house.

I'm suddenly sitting here thinking how interesting it would be to invite
people to dinner and put plates on the table with plastic food on them
-- that very realistic plastic food that is common in Japan (common in
restaurant windows).  I loved that area of Tokyo where they had all the
shops that sold stuff to restaurants, including plastic food.  I
should've bought some.

I'm sure many of you remember plastic vomit and plastic doggy doo.  I
haven't seen any in years.

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I just got this question from a friend.  One could always google for the
address and perhaps hit the name somewhere, of course.  Any other
suggestions?

> Do you know of a way to find someone's name if all you have is an email address?  The "White Pages"
> website requires a name and address.  I can sorta see why one might want there NOT to be such a
> capability -- but I can also see why it might also be useful.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I hadn't thought of that.  I do have a shortwave radio.  Got it years
> ago to listen to French, although it's a wimpy radio and almost never

But it did pick up the BBC in Japan out on my apartment balcony right
after Princess Di died.  I just remembered that.  It's a tiny radio, and
I'd tossed it into my suitcase at the last minute.  The only time I used
it was that day, when I learned on Words-L about Princess Di's death
(evidence that one can hear news by word-of-mouth, so to speak).  I
turned on tv and was able to make out Diana-wa and Paris but not much
else.  (English-language news was on for a few minutes most nights, but
this was mid day.)  So I remembered my shortwave radio, took it outside,
and heard some kind of BBC report on the event.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> No. I think they should be paintiings. Mine is painted and I like it a
> lot. It's by some guy called DaVinci or something like that. Seems that
> he didn't paint many because I haven't seen others like mine--only cheap
> reproductions.

You have an original?  Did we see it last year?

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Doris Markland wrote:

> The Others -- weird

What was The Others about?

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I'm suddenly craving a ham sandwich -- almost to the point of making me
think about going to the grocery store and buying some ham.  Weird.
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Karen Kay wrote:

>Sunday, March 30, 2003, 8:42:55 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>
>>But that returns us to the question of how to know what's going on in
>>the world.  I've been pondering what Karen said about finding other ways
>>to get news, but I seriously don't know what these other ways are.  If I
>>give up newspapers, magazines, and websites, where will I learn things?
>>
>>
>
>You don't have to give them up. Turn the page. Don't look.
>
>
>
>>Hmm.  Maybe through word of mouth -- as in people here on Words-L or
>>people in my ftf world might mention interesting news.  I think that
>>would be hard, though -- hard for me to adjust to, I mean.
>>
>>
>
>It's no fun being you, is it?
>
>ET #3
>
>
Give Natalie a break, OK? I think what Bonnie said earlier is true,
Natalie is taking this particularly hard in part because she just lost
her mother.

For the record, even before Bonnie shared her thoughts, I was thinking
this. Watching my mother churn after my grandmother died was very
painful and I recognized this behavior almost immediately in Natalie

lisa

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Karen Kay wrote:

>Sunday, March 30, 2003, 10:25:12 AM, BF Clark wrote:
>
>
>>Ooops indeed!   Is this a tank you have to heat?
>>
>>
>
>Yes, it has a heater.
>
>
>
>>I liked it when Ryan had a snapping turtle in it and he would feed it gold
>>fish.  It was entertaining to watch the turtle chomp them.
>>
>>
>
>Augh.
>
>I've wanted to do a saltwater tank, but that means I have to get
>another tank for these fish. I guess I start haunting
>austin.forsale.
>
>The betta that's in with the Lucky Bamboo is doing well. He looks
>happy.
>
>ET #3
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>
>
Aren't salt water tanks rather expensive to maintain?

My last roommate had one. Watching her meticulously take care of the
thing only to have her $40 a pop fish croak was enough to turn me off
wanting a salt water tank.

lisa

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At 01:00 PM 3/30/2003 -0500, Lisa Alfieri wrote:

>Aren't salt water tanks rather expensive to maintain?

The fish (as you noted) can get to be expensive.  Saltwater tanks are more
trouble to maintain, certainly.   With any aquarium, the major problems are
getting rid of waste products and maintaining temperature.  In both cases,
the larger the aquarium, the easier it is to get it balanced with respect
to salinity and temperature and to avoid rapid buildup to toxic waste
materials.  Five-gallon aquaria are a pain; 200-gallon aquaria are easier.

cwv

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Lisa Alfieri wrote:

> >It's no fun being you, is it?

> Give Natalie a break, OK? I think what Bonnie said earlier is true,

I don't think I need a break.  I just didn't know what Karen's comment
meant -- still don't.

Meanwhile, however, I did decide to set out in search of ham.  Was about
to buy a stale-looking ready-made ham sandwich since the bags of ham
didn't turn me on, but then I noticed a fresher-looking
chicken-salad-croissant, which I bought.  I just finished eating it.
Not bad.

I also had a WLM in the grocery store (one I don't usually go to --
didn't want to go way out to Wmart).  Re our recent discussions of
Krispy Kreme donuts, apparently they are sold in ordinary grocery stores
here.  I noticed a large bin-looking thing painted green and white that
said "Krispy Kreme Donuts -- Made Fresh Daily."  And there were donuts
inside it.

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I've concluded that I don't want to change my whole house color -- that
what I should do instead is paint the trim around the windows the same
red as the front door.  That would make the gray house <livelier>.  I
even went out to the storage bldg yesterday and looked around through
the zillions of cans of paint, thinking maybe I'd find the door paint.
I think I did, but it was a small can and seemed to be like Karen's
sugar.  So I couldn't experiment with painting.

And speaking of house and paint and stuff, where's clo?  She has been
silent the past few days.

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Interesting how this picture cuts off the snout on this snout house:

http://www.starkvillerealestate.com/listings_residential/3bedroom/43hummingbird/index.html

Maybe that's a sign that snouts are going out.
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At 12:27 PM 3/30/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Interesting how this picture cuts off the snout on this snout house:
>
>http://www.starkvillerealestate.com/listings_residential/3bedroom/43humming
>bird/index.html
>
>Maybe that's a sign that snouts are going out.

Built in 2003.

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BF Clark wrote:

> >Maybe that's a sign that snouts are going out.
>
> Built in 2003.

Maybe snouts were still in in January and February but went out in
March.  But not all of the pictures on that site hacked off the snouts:

http://www.starkvillerealestate.com/listings_residential/3bedroom/109kingrichard/index.html

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In a message dated 03/30/2003 11:20:59 AM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
I'm suddenly craving a ham sandwich -- almost to the point of making me
think about going to the grocery store and buying some ham.  Weird.

>>

What type of ham?  Smoked, baked, honey, or plain?

Evelyn Duncan
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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> <<
> I'm suddenly craving a ham sandwich -- almost to the point of making me
> think about going to the grocery store and buying some ham.  Weird.
> >>
>
> What type of ham?  Smoked, baked, honey, or plain?

Don't know.  I guess I think of all ham as baked ham.  What is plain
ham?

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In a message dated 03/30/2003 12:41:14 PM Central Standard Time,
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<<
Don't know.  I guess I think of all ham as baked ham.  What is plain
ham?

>>

Ham that is cooked or boiled, not baked, smoked, or honey-cured.

Evelyn Duncan
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Man, there are some ugly houses in Starkville.  I assume the
low-priced ones are in bad neighborhoods, though.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> BF Clark wrote:
>
>
>>>Maybe that's a sign that snouts are going out.
>>>
>>Built in 2003.
>>
>
> Maybe snouts were still in in January and February but went out in
> March.  But not all of the pictures on that site hacked off the snouts:
>
> http://www.starkvillerealestate.com/listings_residential/3bedroom/109kingrichard/index.html
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>


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What's a "vintage" home?  This one looks a lot like my
house, except twice as expensive.  Is built in the 60's
"vintage" ?

http://www.starkvillerealestate.com/listings_residential/3bedroom/953oldmayhew/index.html

Rita Chapman wrote:

> Man, there are some ugly houses in Starkville.  I assume the
> low-priced ones are in bad neighborhoods, though.
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>> BF Clark wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Maybe that's a sign that snouts are going out.
>>>>
>>> Built in 2003.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe snouts were still in in January and February but went out in
>> March.  But not all of the pictures on that site hacked off the snouts:
>>
>> http://www.starkvillerealestate.com/listings_residential/3bedroom/109kingrichard/index.html
>>
>>
>> --
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>
>


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alyce cresap wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:>
>
>>Would you rather it be velvet?:)
>>
>
> No. I think they should be paintiings. Mine is painted and I like it a
> lot. It's by some guy called DaVinci or something like that. Seems that
> he didn't paint many because I haven't seen others like mine--only cheap
> reproductions.


        Eye and hair color?




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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Man, there are some ugly houses in Starkville.

No more than in most towns.  I'd say that the houses in Starkville run
the gamut of styles, sizes, colors, settings, etc. just as they do
pretty much everywhere.  Ditto the <trends> -- as in what kinds of
houses are being built.

>  I assume the
> low-priced ones are in bad neighborhoods, though.

Like most places, location is a huge factor in the price of a house.  I
can't think of any neighborhood that I would use the term "bad
neighborhood" for (which connotes to me something sort of dangerous
sounding), but there are lots of areas I'd hate to live -- like out
around Wmart.  Different people have different opinions, of course, on
the kinds of neighborhoods they like and how close in or far out they
prefer, what size yard they prefer, etc.  But even so, there are areas
that appeal to more people than other areas do, and prices reflect that.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> What's a "vintage" home?  This one looks a lot like my
> house, except twice as expensive.  Is built in the 60's
> "vintage" ?

I have no idea.  I'd say it probably means that the describer was
looking for something to say about it.  I'm trying to remember something
I read on another house page a little while ago that struck me as
hilarious.  Maybe I'll remember.  One reason I enjoy looking at house
ads, whether on the web or in the newspaper or in the little free
booklets I often pick up, is that I find the descriptions amusing.

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Maybe it has something to do with the "The home's foundation is built on 65
pilings dug to blue rocks."  What are blue rocks and why would you need 65
pilings?

>What's a "vintage" home?  This one looks a lot like my
>house, except twice as expensive.  Is built in the 60's
>"vintage" ?
>
>http://www.starkvillerealestate.com/listings_residential/3bedroom/953oldmayhew/index.html
>
>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Man, there are some ugly houses in Starkville.  I assume the
>>low-priced ones are in bad neighborhoods, though.
>>
>>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>>>BF Clark wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Maybe that's a sign that snouts are going out.
>>>>Built in 2003.
>>>
>>>Maybe snouts were still in in January and February but went out in
>>>March.  But not all of the pictures on that site hacked off the snouts:
>>>
>>>http://www.starkvillerealestate.com/listings_residential/3bedroom/109kingrichard/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

    --bonniev

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > The Others -- weird
>
> What was The Others about?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>

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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET>
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I'm not going to come back to the list for a while, because I'm getting more
done when I'm not on it, and there's still a *lot* more I need to get done
-- but I wanted to check in and let everybody know that I'm OK.

In general, life is going reasonably well. The business is pulling gradually
out of its tailspin -- our distributor is helping with reprints so revenues
are going back up, and Patrick and I have fallen into a reasonably efficient
routine working together to run the joint. The big disappointments are in
Dudeland -- Ben didn't get into DigiPen this year (although they suggested
he work a bit more on his math and reapply for next year), and Miles is
getting increasingly pessimistic about his chances for grad school -- so
both of them are having to rethink their plans for next year. Otherwise, I'm
doing a bit of dating (although having to maintain some pretty strong
boundaries -- lots of people seem interested in a more committed
relationship than I'm going to want anytime in the foreseeable future),
working on fixing up the loft, and trying to learn to stop working at the
end of the day (not as easy as one might think).

However, I'm emotionally still very raw, I guess. Jay and I had our first
mediation appointment, at his request, on Friday. It wasn't as awful as I
feared it might be, but it was pretty nasty. We're both still very angry,
and it's clear that we're not going to get any actual mediation done -- any
negotiations regarding possessions, logistics, etc. -- until the air gets at
least somewhat clearer emotionally. Fortunately, the mediator seems willing
and able to work with us on that sort of stuff as well as the logistical
stuff. This time, by the time we finished filling him in on the background
of our breakup, and negotiating rates, payment schedules, etc., there was
just enough time left for each of us to give about a 10-minute precis of how
we were feeling and what had brought us this far in the process. Both of us
did a good job of listening to the other one without interruptions or
defensiveness, although I suspect it was hard for him and I *know* it was
hard for me. Dossie was kind enough to meet me afterwards, take me out for a
stiff drink and a rich lunch, and then we went up to her place in the
country where I crashed like a felled oak for several hours and then woke up
to have a light fruit-and-cheese dinner and watch a movie ("Mostly Martha";
recommended).

[Cautionary note: description of intense practices to follow -- skip 'em if
you don't want to read 'em...]













Then we got up early yesterday and drove back into the east bay to
participate in one of Fakir Musafar and Cleo Dubois' body rituals
(http://www.bodyplay.com/hooks.htm). While they've used various techniques,
mostly drawn from body rituals in world religions, to achieve altered states
and ecstatic journeys, the one they're mostly doing right now is adapted
from a Malaysian ritual.

We spent the morning listening to Cleo and Fakir discuss the day's plans,
watching videos of the Malaysian rite and some of the other rituals C & F
have run, and warming up and raising energy with flogging and light
playpiercing (we pierced ourselves so as not to have to worry about fluid
exchange issues). Then Fakir and master piercer Raelynn Gallina worked to
place two large-gauge piercings on either side of each participant's upper
chest, following the piercing with placement of large hooks (like the ones
shown at the URL I just gave). One end of a strong nylon cord was tied to
each hook, and each participant was given a carabiner. We could choose to
attach ourselves to one another -- in couples or groups -- or to a
stationary object. Most people did some of each. The drumming started, and
everybody began to dance -- mostly slowly and cautiously at first (it
reminded me of the feeling of stepping slowly into very cold water), then
more daringly as we got used to the feeling of the hooks -- which was
painful but not unbearable.

While I could see and hear that many other participants had gone into a very
joyful space, lots of shouting and laughter, I (not surprisingly) went into
a space of deep sadness, loss and mourning. I danced with Dossie for a
little while but then asked to dance alone... attached my hooks first to an
overhead point, then to a point at my feet, pulled gently and then strongly,
wove back and forth, leaned backwards and let the hooks bear some of my
weight, all the while with my face contorted and tears running down my
cheeks. A few of the people serving at the ritual came by to make sure I was
OK, but I waved them away. Dossie came back and by then I was ready to be
with her -- we hooked ourselves together and danced close, and with her
there to ground me I was able to release howls of pain and sadness. I began
to stamp my feet as I danced, hard enough to hurt my soles and to send shock
waves up my legs. Finally, I became too tired and dizzy to feel safe on my
feet any more, and we sat together and watched the other dancers wind down,
which was quite beautiful and joyous to watch. A feast was spread in the
middle of the space, so we ate, had some water and tea to drink, and, when I
felt OK to drive the 20 minutes or so between the playspace and here, went
home (to find my nextdoor neighbors having a *very* loud party ::sigh::).

Today I feel sort of like I've been hit by a very large soft truck -- achy
all over, wrung out, drained. I keep wishing I could sleep all day but I'm
sort of wired, so I'm trying to lie down and watch TV for a while, then get
up and work a bit, then lie down some more -- hence this missive ;)

I'm very glad I did the ritual, and I'd like to do it again after a while,
when my life has moved onward and I can experience the joyful part. But the
thing is, it *was* ecstatic -- just not joyfully ecstatic; pain and sadness
are their own ecstasy ("a state of being beyond reason or control"), and it
was good to go there, and good to come back.

So. Probably more than y'all wanted to know on a sunny Sunday morning, but I
felt like writing about it, and you're the lucky recipients.

Hugs to all,
Janet

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Here's one description I found funny:

> is perfect for that growing family or professional couple or retired person.

Is there anybody it's not perfect for?

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > The Others -- weird
>
> What was The Others about?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Blockbusters has these nice young people who
circulate the shop saying "Can I help you find a
movie?" and they are willing to recommend.
My nice young lady last night was so eager that
she told me the whole plot "Blah blah blah, and
then when you get to the end of the movie you finally
find out that BLAH BLAH BLAH."  Well, needless
to say, she sort of ruined the movie for me.

So I don't want to do that Natalie.  I'll just say
it's a movie about a weird lady (Nicole Kiddman)
who lives in a mansion in England and who keeps
her kids in the dark because they are sensitive to
light.  Some strangers come and offer to be
servants and to help her.  The story revolves
around their interrelationships and strange things
that happen in that house.

It's not a bad movie, but depends upon what
you like.

            - D. M.

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02003-03-30 | whimsy <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-03-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> = > A shrink friend is suggesting that her clients, especially those
> = > who tend toward depression, watch at most an hour per day of war
> = > coverage. I think that's excellent advice.
> =
> = That's a pretty cool new idea ... BTW here's one more thing I recently
> = heard from somebody: they were very much opposed to the war from the
> = start. But now that it has begun, it strikes them that the best thing
> = to do is push ahead inexorably, because it would be amazingly bad for
> = image otherwise. Struck me as a rather sensible thought, actually.
>
> I don't know if I can stand much more of this nonsense from you.

Do you want to drop-kick me?

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02003-03-30 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> bonniev wrote:
>
> > of my mother in the last few months the way Natalie has.   Every loss
>
> I don't think there's any connection.

Natalie, there might be a "think"-less connection. It happens,
you know. It doesn't invalidate the power of war coverage to
wear someone out.

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02003-03-30 | Lisa Alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-28 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
>
> >>51-70 = Middle Age
> >
> >I'm sorry, thats' totally unacceptable. Do you mean 41-70? I mean
> >I'll kind of accept 70, though to me it says "old". But to say you
> >are not middle-aged at 45 is plain wrong ...
>
> Yeah, you're right. I had no business laughing in the face of years and
> years worth of scientific research when I made my own definitions, ones
> that suited my own philosophies.

You say this every time. But when the time comes to open your
mouth you go and disrespect scientific research again.

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In a message dated 3/30/2003 12:20:54 AM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<< the best thing
to do is push ahead inexorably, because it would be amazingly bad for
image otherwise. Struck me as a rather sensible thought, actually >>

That's a hideous thought; makes me want to vomit.
Theo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Man, there are some ugly houses in Starkville.
>>
>
> No more than in most towns.  I'd say that the houses in Starkville run
> the gamut of styles, sizes, colors, settings, etc. just as they do
> pretty much everywhere.  Ditto the <trends> -- as in what kinds of
> houses are being built.


        Nope, definitely uglier than around here, and Florissant is
way more declasse compared to Starkville.


>> I assume the
>>low-priced ones are in bad neighborhoods, though.
>>
>
> Like most places, location is a huge factor in the price of a house.  I
> can't think of any neighborhood that I would use the term "bad
> neighborhood" for (which connotes to me something sort of dangerous
> sounding), but there are lots of areas I'd hate to live -- like out
> around Wmart.  Different people have different opinions, of course, on
> the kinds of neighborhoods they like and how close in or far out they
> prefer, what size yard they prefer, etc.  But even so, there are areas
> that appeal to more people than other areas do, and prices reflect that.
>


        I assume the $70K houses are in the undesirable
neighborhoods.   They looked kind of unkept.

        Anyway, off to diagram sentences.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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If I could stomach a return to the Sucky South, this is a nice house in a
nice area:

http://www.realtor.com/Prop/1025993908



    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:
>
> Maybe it has something to do with the "The home's foundation is built on 65
> pilings dug to blue rocks."  What are blue rocks and why would you need 65
> pilings?

I don't know.  I watched a house across the street from my old house
being built on I guess what are called pilings -- sticks poking up from
the ground -- and I thought it looked highly questionable -- as in
likely to cave in.

--
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Evelyn wrote:
> >
> > What type of ham?  Smoked, baked, honey, or plain?

Guess we can tell who's working in a deli.

alyce

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Janet Hardy wrote:
>
> I'm not going to come back to the list for a while, because I'm getting more
> done when I'm not on it, and there's still a *lot* more I need to get done
> -- but I wanted to check in and let everybody know that I'm OK.

Thank you for checking in!  (Don't know whether you're reading replies,
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Doris Markland wrote:

> then when you get to the end of the movie you finally
> find out that BLAH BLAH BLAH."  Well, needless
> to say, she sort of ruined the movie for me.
>
> So I don't want to do that Natalie.  I'll just say

Thank you.  I didn't mean for you to tell me the plot -- just the
general subject matter.

> it's a movie about a weird lady (Nicole Kiddman)
> who lives in a mansion in England and who keeps
> her kids in the dark because they are sensitive to
> light.  Some strangers come and offer to be
> servants and to help her.  The story revolves
> around their interrelationships and strange things
> that happen in that house.
>
> It's not a bad movie, but depends upon what
> you like.

It sounds like my kind of movie.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         Eye and hair color?

Looks like darkish hair, not black, and dark eyes. Actually, he looks a
little bit Italian.

alyce

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > No more than in most towns.  I'd say that the houses in Starkville run
> > the gamut of styles, sizes, colors, settings, etc. just as they do
> > pretty much everywhere.  Ditto the <trends> -- as in what kinds of
> > houses are being built.
>
>         Nope, definitely uglier than around here, and Florissant is

ROFL!  You've spent exactly how much time in Starkville?  I know nothing
about Florissant, but I will say that Starkville houses are like houses
in the thousands of other towns I've visited through the years -- same
kind of variety.

>         I assume the $70K houses are in the undesirable
> neighborhoods.   They looked kind of unkept.

Yes.  Any house under $125,000 in Starkville isn't likely to be anywhere
desirable in most people's opinions of desirability.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> If I could stomach a return to the Sucky South, this is a nice house in a
> nice area:
>
> http://www.realtor.com/Prop/1025993908

That tree is covering up its snout.  Wonder what it looks like from the
street.  I do like some things about it, though it's not totally my kind
of house.  How did you happen to stumble upon it?  Iow, why are you
looking at houses in Pine Knoll, NC?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>No more than in most towns.  I'd say that the houses in Starkville run
>>>the gamut of styles, sizes, colors, settings, etc. just as they do
>>>pretty much everywhere.  Ditto the <trends> -- as in what kinds of
>>>houses are being built.
>>>
>>        Nope, definitely uglier than around here, and Florissant is
>>
>
> ROFL!  You've spent exactly how much time in Starkville?  I know nothing
> about Florissant, but I will say that Starkville houses are like houses
> in the thousands of other towns I've visited through the years -- same
> kind of variety.


        None whatsoever.  I am only commenting on the ones for sale.
  They are all ugly and lacking in charm.  Maybe nobody ever
sells the pretty ones because they are so few and far between.



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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 12:56:55 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> What's a "vintage" home?  This one looks a lot like my
> house, except twice as expensive.  Is built in the 60's
> "vintage" ?

Wow! Those taxes are dirt cheap, considering the cost of the
house.

Karen

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>That tree is covering up its snout.  Wonder what it looks like from the
>street.  I do like some things about it, though it's not totally my kind
>of house.  How did you happen to stumble upon it?  Iow, why are you
>looking at houses in Pine Knoll, NC?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Pine Knoll Shores, NC is where we vacationed every year while living in
Tennessee.  I've walked that neighborhood many times.  Years ago when we
dreamt of retirement, never actually thinking we would be able to afford to
move some place, we talked of either Bar Harbor or Pine Knoll
Shores.   Over the years, the PKS area suffered greatly from
over-development.  It's on a barrier island off the coast of Morehead City,
NC.   Most of Pine Knoll Shores itself is under lots of development
restrictions which have kept it quite nice in comparison to the
wall-to-wall condos and massive development complexes on the rest of the
island.


    --bonniev

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 1:52:46 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> bonniev wrote:
>> Maybe it has something to do with the "The home's foundation is built on 65
>> pilings dug to blue rocks."  What are blue rocks and why would you need 65
>> pilings?

> I don't know.  I watched a house across the street from my old house
> being built on I guess what are called pilings -- sticks poking up from
> the ground -- and I thought it looked highly questionable -- as in
> likely to cave in.

It's a pier and beam foundation.

Karen

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 10:38:30 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> One was a floater, but the rest were draped over logs and plants.

> How are the two survivors reacting to the deaths of their friends?

They look sad. They used to school with their friends; I wonder
if they'll school together, even though they are two different
species.

Karen

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 10:39:02 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
Karen Kay wrote:>>
>> Would you rather it be velvet?:)

> No. I think they should be paintiings. Mine is painted and I like it a
> lot. It's by some guy called DaVinci or something like that. Seems that
> he didn't paint many because I haven't seen others like mine--only cheap
> reproductions.

:)

Karen

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 10:41:29 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> > Hmm.  Maybe through word of mouth -- as in people here on Words-L or
>> > people in my ftf world might mention interesting news.  I think that
>> > would be hard, though -- hard for me to adjust to, I mean.
>>
>> It's no fun being you, is it?

> ?  Why would it be less fun to be me than to be somebody else?

Because your life seems to be very hard.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, March 30, 2003, 12:56:55 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>What's a "vintage" home?  This one looks a lot like my
>>house, except twice as expensive.  Is built in the 60's
>>"vintage" ?
>>
>
> Wow! Those taxes are dirt cheap, considering the cost of the
> house.
>


        Yup.  We just had our bi-annual drive-by assessment.  Our
house value went down, but our lot value tripled.  Pretty
sneaky.  We're also fending off a hostile takeover.




--
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        Floods.

bonniev wrote:

> Maybe it has something to do with the "The home's foundation is built on 65
> pilings dug to blue rocks."  What are blue rocks and why would you need 65
> pilings?
>
>> What's a "vintage" home?  This one looks a lot like my
>> house, except twice as expensive.  Is built in the 60's
>> "vintage" ?
>>
>> http://www.starkvillerealestate.com/listings_residential/3bedroom/953oldmayhew/index.html
>>
>>
>> Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>> Man, there are some ugly houses in Starkville.  I assume the
>>> low-priced ones are in bad neighborhoods, though.
>>>
>>> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>>
>>>> BF Clark wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe that's a sign that snouts are going out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Built in 2003.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe snouts were still in in January and February but went out in
>>>> March.  But not all of the pictures on that site hacked off the snouts:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.starkvillerealestate.com/listings_residential/3bedroom/109kingrichard/index.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>>>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>
>    --bonniev
>


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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 10:47:45 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
>> >It looked like Iraq in the fish tank.

> -Karen

> Maybe it wasn't your fault.
> Maybe you had some suicide drowners.

LOL. I hope not!

Karen

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 10:45:12 AM, bonniev wrote:
> What size are your knitting needles?

5/16". I think that makes them a 12 or 13.

> After that I have to finish my 21 blocks that spell out "Notre
> Dame Class of 2025". I have seven done so far.

If you need help making blocks, I'd be happy to help.

>>Thanks for the happy thought, Bonnie.:-/
>>ET #3

> I seem to be filled with them this rainy morning.

Don't forget--this weekend is Spamarama!

Karen

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If I wanted a large, expensive house, I'd like one like this:

http://tinyurl.com/8gue

(Karen will be pleased that I tinyurled it -- since it was about six or
eight lines long.)

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 11:09:33 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> But it did pick up the BBC in Japan out on my apartment balcony right
> after Princess Di died.

Couldn't you get Armed Forces Radio? I listened to that in Nagoya
sometimes, but it was bounced from closer to Tokyo.

Karen

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 11:57:20 AM, Lisa Alfieri wrote:
> Give Natalie a break, OK? I think what Bonnie said earlier is true,
> Natalie is taking this particularly hard in part because she just lost
> her mother.

I am giving her a break--for just that reason.

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         None whatsoever.  I am only commenting on the ones for sale.

The ones listed by one real estate agency, not all the ones for sale in
town.

>   They are all ugly and lacking in charm.

It is sad that you feel that way about your house.  (Or did I just dream
that you said one of them looked just like yours?)

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Sunday, March 30, 2003, 12:56:55 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> > What's a "vintage" home?  This one looks a lot like my
> > house, except twice as expensive.  Is built in the 60's
> > "vintage" ?
>
> Wow! Those taxes are dirt cheap, considering the cost of the
> house.

Wasn't that one the one on Mayhew Rd?  If so, that explains low taxes.
That's outside of town.  My county taxes are about a tenth of my city
taxes.  I also have a feeling that some of the tax info on the ads may
be wrong since taxes went way up this year and some people may be
remembering the older taxes.

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 12:00:13 PM, Lisa Alfieri wrote:
> Aren't salt water tanks rather expensive to maintain?

No. They are labor-intensive, but they don't have to be
particularly money-intensive.

> My last roommate had one. Watching her meticulously take care of the
> thing only to have her $40 a pop fish croak was enough to turn me off
> wanting a salt water tank.

Karsten had one, and I took care of his both when I lived there
and after we broke up. I think it was a total of nearly two
years. Anyway, I never lost anything.

Fish croak in any fish tank, no matter how well maintained. I
never had any fish die on me, but Karsten did, both before and
after I took care of the tank.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> They look sad. They used to school with their friends; I wonder
> if they'll school together, even though they are two different
> species.

You mean there were two schools, one of these survivors in each?  If so,
this sudden merger may indeed be traumatic.

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 12:21:45 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I think I did, but it was a small can and seemed to be like Karen's
> sugar.  So I couldn't experiment with painting.

My sugar is in an airtight container.

> And speaking of house and paint and stuff, where's clo?  She has been
> silent the past few days.

Maybe she's getting ready to come to visit me next week.

Karen

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If I could stomach returning to the town where I was born, this is a nice
house in a decent location:
http://www.realtor.com/Prop/1023150847


    --bonniev

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 12:27:42 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Interesting how this picture cuts off the snout on this snout house:

It's not a snout house; it has a window.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > ?  Why would it be less fun to be me than to be somebody else?
>
> Because your life seems to be very hard.

It does???  I would put my life way toward the easy end of the easy-hard
continuum.

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 2:13:44 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         Yup.  We just had our bi-annual drive-by assessment.  Our
> house value went down, but our lot value tripled.  Pretty
> sneaky.  We're also fending off a hostile takeover.

Hostile takeover?

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 2:40:06 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Hmm.  I've never seen a house without a window.  What I call snout
> houses normally have single eyes on one side of the snout.

Well, you have lots of idiosyncratic definitions.

ET #3

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Saturday, March 29, 2003, 11:00:01 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 03/29/2003 10:55:23 PM Central Standard Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

> <<
> I know. It's dyed and extruded fish, primarily pollack. I can't
> stand the aftertaste.

>>>

> Imagine having to make the salad. Every day.

Making it wouldn't bother me as much as eating it.

ET #3

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> When I got my fish tank for free two years ago, there were six
> fish in it. I was hoping they would die quickly, so I could
> replace them with fish I liked. But no, they lived on and on and
> on. Even when I went away and forgot to feed them for a week, no
> problem.
>
> Well, yesterday I did a massive water change (for the first time
> in months) and this morning I woke up to 4 dead fish.
>
> It looked like Iraq in the fish tank.
>
> One was a floater, but the rest were draped over logs and plants.
> (I think I didn't add enough conditioner to the water. Oops.)
>
> Karen
>

Fish Killer!

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Hmm.  I've never seen a house without a window.  What I call snout
> > houses normally have single eyes on one side of the snout.
>
> Well, you have lots of idiosyncratic definitions.

Not idiosyncratic in this case.  My idiolect jibes with the local
dialect re the use of the term snout house.

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>  More than that and I'd feel like my pets were taking over
>my life.         --ET #3

How's  your nameless cat doing?


    --bonniev

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>   We're also fending off a hostile takeover.

What does that mean?  Who is trying to take you over and why?

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         Floods.
>
> bonniev wrote:
>
> > Maybe it has something to do with the "The home's foundation is built on 65
> > pilings dug to blue rocks."  What are blue rocks and why would you need 65
> > pilings?

I don't think anti-flood features would be a major selling point around
here.  In Columbus, yes, where there are rivers and where there has been
flooding.  But that's 25 miles away from Starkville.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > But it did pick up the BBC in Japan out on my apartment balcony right
> > after Princess Di died.
>
> Couldn't you get Armed Forces Radio? I listened to that in Nagoya
> sometimes, but it was bounced from closer to Tokyo.

Probably so.  There was a base in Tachikawa, which was fairly close to
where I lived.  I didn't think about that.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        None whatsoever.  I am only commenting on the ones for sale.
>>
>
> The ones listed by one real estate agency, not all the ones for sale in
> town.
>
>
>>  They are all ugly and lacking in charm.
>>
>
> It is sad that you feel that way about your house.  (Or did I just dream
> that you said one of them looked just like yours?)
>


        I have always said my house is lacking in charm.  There is
nothing pretty about it -- well, the colors are better now
since we re-did the siding.  You've seen the pictures.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Karen Kay wrote:

> I am giving her a break--for just that reason.

I don't get this break stuff at all.  Nor do I have any idea why you
think I have a <hard> life.  I'd say my life is quite easy.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> If I could stomach returning to the town where I was born, this is a nice
> house in a decent location:
> http://www.realtor.com/Prop/1023150847

Why is it so cheap???  I like it, except for that cold-looking white
stuff in front of it.

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 11:58:31 AM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> The fish (as you noted) can get to be expensive.

But in a 10 gallon tank, I'd have one fish at the most. I might
decide to do seahorses instead. I don't know. Just having live
rock might be enough.

> With any aquarium, the major problems are getting rid of waste
> products and maintaining temperature. In both cases, the larger
> the aquarium, the easier it is to get it balanced with respect
> to salinity and temperature and to avoid rapid buildup to toxic
> waste materials. Five-gallon aquaria are a pain; 200-gallon
> aquaria are easier.

At this point, I think it might be nice to get a 20 or 30 gallon
tank. More than that and I'd feel like my pets were taking over
my life.

ET #3

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Dig this:
http://www.realtor.com/Prop/1025445883

Nice looking house.  Huge.  Five bedrooms but only 1.3 baths.  Three car
garage!   1855 square feet.   All for under $125,000.   But the taxes are
twice what we pay here in Bar Harbor.

    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:

> It's not a snout house; it has a window.

Hmm.  I've never seen a house without a window.  What I call snout
houses normally have single eyes on one side of the snout.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I have always said my house is lacking in charm.  There is
> nothing pretty about it -- well, the colors are better now
> since we re-did the siding.  You've seen the pictures.

I can assure you that not all the houses in Starkville look like yours.
The majority don't.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> Dig this:
> http://www.realtor.com/Prop/1025445883
>
> Nice looking house.  Huge.  Five bedrooms but only 1.3 baths.  Three car
> garage!   1855 square feet.   All for under $125,000.   But the taxes are
> twice what we pay here in Bar Harbor.

Why are prices so low in Sheboygan?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>  We're also fending off a hostile takeover.
>>
>
> What does that mean?  Who is trying to take you over and why?


        The City of Florissant.  We're unincorporated St. Louis
County (our mailing address and zip code are Florissant).
They are annexing us for our tax dollars, of course, since
our property values are higher than those of the houses in
the city proper.  For us, it will mean higher taxes and much
higher water bills without much in return.



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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        Floods.
>>
>>bonniev wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Maybe it has something to do with the "The home's foundation is built on 65
>>>pilings dug to blue rocks."  What are blue rocks and why would you need 65
>>>pilings?
>>>
>
> I don't think anti-flood features would be a major selling point around
> here.  In Columbus, yes, where there are rivers and where there has been
> flooding.  But that's 25 miles away from Starkville.


        Then pilings are an odd feature, indeed.  Earthquakes?




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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        I have always said my house is lacking in charm.  There is
>>nothing pretty about it -- well, the colors are better now
>>since we re-did the siding.  You've seen the pictures.
>>
>
> I can assure you that not all the houses in Starkville look like yours.
> The majority don't.
>

        That would by why they called it "vintage"?  But the other
houses looked even worse.




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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 2:43:37 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         Then pilings are an odd feature, indeed.  Earthquakes?

They are only an odd feature for a new house. Lots of older
houses are pier-and-beam (and some new, custom homes).

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 2:46:38 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>> You have an original?  Did we see it last year?

> I don't know. It is in the refectory. Did you go there?

You must be on good drugs, Alyce.:)))))

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 2:47:21 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
> Saturday, March 29, 2003, 11:00:01 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>> In a message dated 03/29/2003 10:55:23 PM Central Standard Time,
>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

>> <<
>> I know. It's dyed and extruded fish, primarily pollack. I can't
>> stand the aftertaste.

>>>>

>> Imagine having to make the salad. Every day.

> Making it wouldn't bother me as much as eating it.

Let me say something more: Alice Waters talks about food as
communication. While krab salad isn't exactly haute cuisine (can
you say 'antithesis'?), it does give you an opportunity to
directly touch people's lives every day.

ET #3

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>
> You have an original?  Did we see it last year?

I don't know. It is in the refectory. Did you go there?

alyce

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 2:49:56 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> Fish Killer!

Yep, that's me!

ET #3

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----- Original Message -----
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> I'm suddenly craving a ham sandwich -- almost to the point of making me
> think about going to the grocery store and buying some ham.  Weird.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>

Immaculate conception?


alec

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Look at the estimated annual taxes on this one:

http://tinyurl.com/8gwh

Something is obviously screwy.  No taxes are that low.  Something else
screwy is that the ad says the lot is between 5 and 6 acres, yet that
house is on a regular Starkville street.  Makes me want to drive by and
try to figure out where that land is.  I've seen the house.  It's in the
heart of town.  All I can figure is that maybe there's some kind of
strange long stretch of undeveloped land that goes straight back from it
for miles.  That's conceivable -- like two residential areas that meet
except for a swath of land that goes between their backyards.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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02003-03-30 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Let me say something more: Alice Waters talks about food as
> communication. While krab salad isn't exactly haute cuisine (can
> you say 'antithesis'?), it does give you an opportunity to
> directly touch people's lives every day.

Why "krab"? Are people allergic to crab, or is it expensive, or what?

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>  Nor do I have any idea why you
>think I have a <hard> life.  I'd say my life is quite easy.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Then why are you so sad and upset about the war?   Try to be grateful for
the nice life you have without stressing so mightily about the suffering
your country is causing elsewhere.


    --bonniev

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Then pilings are an odd feature, indeed.  Earthquakes?

We're at the edge of the New Madrid area.  Earthquakes have in fact been
measured here, but we're hardly in prime earthquake territory.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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>bonniev wrote:
> > If I could stomach returning to the town where I was born, this is a nice
> > house in a decent location:
> > http://www.realtor.com/Prop/1023150847
>
>Why is it so cheap???  I like it, except for that cold-looking white
>stuff in front of it.     -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I guess Wisconsin is a depressed area.  I know it depressed me.


    --bonniev

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>        Then pilings are an odd feature, indeed.  Earthquakes?
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Sinkholes ?


    --bonniev

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         That would by why they called it "vintage"?  But the other
> houses looked even worse.

As I said earlier, I have no idea why they called it "vintage."  Writers
of real estate ads often come up with <interesting> language.

I am indeed sorry that you find Starkville so ugly.  Please don't plan
on visiting.  I hate for people's aesthetic sensibilities to be
offended.

What kinds of houses do you find charming, btw?  Different people have
different ideas about what's charming.  Some people find my old
neighborhood charming, for example.  You probably would not.  Remember
when I posted some pictures from it, and somebody -- can't remember who
it was now -- fell madly in love and wanted to come here?  Hmmm.  My
vague memory is that that was Shoshana.  I wonder whether those pictures
are still online.  I bet they are, though I can't remember where.  They
don't represent all of Starkville, however, just one small neighborhood.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> Then why are you so sad and upset about the war?

She is not alone in being sad and upset about the war. I just don't
mention it much because it might arouse others to anger and one war is
enough.

alyce

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I found the pictures of my old neighborhood.  And in looking at the list
I remember now that the point of my taking them was to show y'all the
yellow house with the statues on top.  Since then there are two more
structures in that neighborhood with statues on top.  Anyway, here are
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http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/Hood/


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>5/16". I think that makes them a 12 or 13.

Those are huge knitting needles.

>If you need help making blocks, I'd be happy to help.

I'll let you know.   But I'm using a size six needle.

>Don't forget--this weekend is Spamarama!
>Karen

What is Spamarama?


    --bonniev

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Here are some better pictures of that neighborhood:

http://www.offcampushousingguide.com/schools/msu/cottondistrict.html

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Natalie Maynor:
= bonniev wrote:
= >
= > Maybe it has something to do with the "The home's foundation is built on 65
= > pilings dug to blue rocks."  What are blue rocks and why would you need 65
= > pilings?
=
= I don't know.  I watched a house across the street from my old house
= being built on I guess what are called pilings -- sticks poking up from
= the ground -- and I thought it looked highly questionable -- as in
= likely to cave in.
=

Well, sometimes they do if the piles don't go all the way down to
what's geologically stable.  Most of Amsterdam is built down to
one level that's turned out not to be stable, and now the new
stuff gets put down much deeper.

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Natalie Maynor:
= If I wanted a large, expensive house, I'd like one like this:
=
= http://tinyurl.com/8gue
=
= (Karen will be pleased that I tinyurled it -- since it was about six or
= eight lines long.)

Karen is not the only one.  I wish there was more to see of it.
You can hardly see any of it.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> > You have an original?  Did we see it last year?
>
> I don't know. It is in the refectory. Did you go there?

I think not.

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On 30 Mar 2003 at 8:41, BF Clark wrote:

> Is mem's today or tomorrow?

No.

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Immaculate conception?

Is that what the right term would be when eggs are long dead?  I dunno.

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>bonniev wrote:
> > Then why are you so sad and upset about the war?
>
>She is not alone in being sad and upset about the war. I just don't
>mention it much because it might arouse others to anger and one war is
>enough.        --alyce

You are allowed to mention it, alyce.   I think most thinking people are
sad and upset about the war.  But we go on.  Natalie seems to be very
bogged down by it all.  Or maybe she's not and it is just that she mentions
it more often than others do.


    --bonniev

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-03-30 | whimsy <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > Tushar Samant:
= > = 02003-03-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
= > = > A shrink friend is suggesting that her clients, especially those
= > = > who tend toward depression, watch at most an hour per day of war
= > = > coverage. I think that's excellent advice.
= > =
= > = That's a pretty cool new idea ... BTW here's one more thing I recently
= > = heard from somebody: they were very much opposed to the war from the
= > = start. But now that it has begun, it strikes them that the best thing
= > = to do is push ahead inexorably, because it would be amazingly bad for
= > = image otherwise. Struck me as a rather sensible thought, actually.
= >
= > I don't know if I can stand much more of this nonsense from you.
=
= Do you want to drop-kick me?

No.  I just want you to be some other way.  Not your problem.
Fine.  Be that way.  But it doesn't look good on you.

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In a message dated 03/30/2003 3:01:02 PM Central Standard Time,
scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<<
Why "krab"? Are people allergic to crab, or is it expensive, or what?

>>

Crab is way more expensive than krab.  Krab salad sells for $2.99
a pound ($2.79 a pound if you buy 2 or more pounds).

I miss going to Red Lobster.

Evelyn Duncan
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bonniev wrote:
>
> >  Nor do I have any idea why you
> >think I have a <hard> life.  I'd say my life is quite easy.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Then why are you so sad and upset about the war?

How can one not be upset?  I don't think of that as something unique to
me.  But we had moved to the related topic of how one can best avoid
reading war news, which I found an interesting question in itself -- how
one can stay up with current events and such while excluding or at least
minimizing exposure to one major news topic.  I became intrigued at the
thought of trying to live without ever looking at news sources.  Karen
made her bizarre comment when I said that I thought it would be hard to
adjust to getting all news via lunch conversations.  I hardly think of
that statement as suggesting a <hard life>.

> Try to be grateful for
> the nice life you have without stressing so mightily about the suffering
> your country is causing elsewhere.

This to me is a different issue.  Speaking out against what one sees as
wrong re government actions is something I consider a moral obligation
or at least a patriotic duty.

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Students live in these houses now?

>I found the pictures of my old neighborhood.  And in looking at the list
>I remember now that the point of my taking them was to show y'all the
>yellow house with the statues on top.  Since then there are two more
>structures in that neighborhood with statues on top.  Anyway, here are
>those old pictures:
>
>http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/Hood/
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net

    --bonniev

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 2:59:42 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Something is obviously screwy.  No taxes are that low.

The taxes listed for my place were low because the woman who
lived here had an exemption for being over 65.

ET #3

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 3:04:09 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>  More than that and I'd feel like my pets were taking over
>>my life.         --ET #3

> How's  your nameless cat doing?

I forgot to say that my neighbors told me she was 10 years old,
but my housemate says 5, and judging by how <playful> she's
suddenly gotten, I'd have to agree with him. I think my cat is
very glad to be my cat and not their cat any more.

ET #3

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These are much cuter than anything for sale.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Here are some better pictures of that neighborhood:
>
> http://www.offcampushousingguide.com/schools/msu/cottondistrict.html
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>


--
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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 3:00:42 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-30 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Let me say something more: Alice Waters talks about food as
>> communication. While krab salad isn't exactly haute cuisine (can
>> you say 'antithesis'?), it does give you an opportunity to
>> directly touch people's lives every day.

> Why "krab"? Are people allergic to crab, or is it expensive, or what?

Crab is expensive and doesn't have a shitload of preservatives
added to it.

ET #3

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bonniev wrote:
>
> Students live in these houses now?

Primarily students have always lived in them -- I mean always since the
old mill houses started being turned into cutesy houses and apartments.
That is an <in> neighborhood for students.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> I am indeed sorry that you find Starkville so ugly.  Please don't plan
> on visiting.  I hate for people's aesthetic sensibilities to be
> offended.


        Good heavens.  I've been banned from Starkville, Mississippi!
  Maybe I'll have them put that in my Jabberwock bio.


> What kinds of houses do you find charming, btw?  Different people have
> different ideas about what's charming.  Some people find my old
> neighborhood charming, for example.  You probably would not.  Remember
> when I posted some pictures from it, and somebody -- can't remember who
> it was now -- fell madly in love and wanted to come here?  Hmmm.  My
> vague memory is that that was Shoshana.  I wonder whether those pictures
> are still online.  I bet they are, though I can't remember where.  They
> don't represent all of Starkville, however, just one small neighborhood.


I don't remember seeing a picture of your old neighborhood.
    I think clo's house is charming.  I think the house I
grew up in is charming and pretty.  Webster Groves is full
of highly charming old homes -- really classically pretty --
but I can't find any for sale at the moment.



--
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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 3:04:09 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>  More than that and I'd feel like my pets were taking over
>>my life.         --ET #3

> How's  your nameless cat doing?

Fine. She is extremely well-behaved, recognizes the word 'no',
and comes when I open the door and say "Hey, you, in here for
some petting now!"

ET #3

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Something is obviously screwy.  No taxes are that low.
>
> The taxes listed for my place were low because the woman who
> lived here had an exemption for being over 65.

That could be a factor affecting the taxes on that old house since that
neighborhood has lots of old people living in its old houses.  But
surely the exemption for being over 65 isn't *that* gigantic.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 3:11:30 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>5/16". I think that makes them a 12 or 13.

> Those are huge knitting needles.

Yep.

>>If you need help making blocks, I'd be happy to help.

> I'll let you know.   But I'm using a size six needle.

I can make size 6's, too.

>>Don't forget--this weekend is Spamarama!
>>Karen

> What is Spamarama?

An Austin thang--a celebration of Spam.

ET #3

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Good heavens.  I've been banned from Starkville, Mississippi!
>   Maybe I'll have them put that in my Jabberwock bio.

Not to worry.  The Jabberwock is put together on campus, which is not in
Starkville.

> I don't remember seeing a picture of your old neighborhood.
>     I think clo's house is charming.  I think the house I
> grew up in is charming and pretty.  Webster Groves is full
> of highly charming old homes -- really classically pretty --
> but I can't find any for sale at the moment.

You would love the part of Starkville that's just to the south of
downtown.  It is full of houses that look like clo's house.  I'm sure
they were quite inexpensive in the past, but the ones that are in good
shape (not needing fortunes spent on fixing them) are horribly expensive
these days -- when there are any for sale, which there aren't very
often.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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        I remember, back in the day, when you could have news
delivered via email and could set certain filters.  It seems
we've taken a step backwards in that arena.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> bonniev wrote:
>
>>> Nor do I have any idea why you
>>>think I have a <hard> life.  I'd say my life is quite easy.
>>> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>>
>>Then why are you so sad and upset about the war?
>>
>
> How can one not be upset?  I don't think of that as something unique to
> me.  But we had moved to the related topic of how one can best avoid
> reading war news, which I found an interesting question in itself -- how
> one can stay up with current events and such while excluding or at least
> minimizing exposure to one major news topic.  I became intrigued at the
> thought of trying to live without ever looking at news sources.  Karen
> made her bizarre comment when I said that I thought it would be hard to
> adjust to getting all news via lunch conversations.  I hardly think of
> that statement as suggesting a <hard life>.
>
>
>>Try to be grateful for
>>the nice life you have without stressing so mightily about the suffering
>>your country is causing elsewhere.
>>
>
> This to me is a different issue.  Speaking out against what one sees as
> wrong re government actions is something I consider a moral obligation
> or at least a patriotic duty.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 3:27:02 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > Something is obviously screwy.  No taxes are that low.
>>
>> The taxes listed for my place were low because the woman who
>> lived here had an exemption for being over 65.

> That could be a factor affecting the taxes on that old house since that
> neighborhood has lots of old people living in its old houses.  But
> surely the exemption for being over 65 isn't *that* gigantic.

I don't know--it's very large. Like 80% or something.

ET #3

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In a message dated 03/30/2003 1:53:34 PM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<<
Evelyn wrote:
> >
> > What type of ham?  Smoked, baked, honey, or plain?

Guess we can tell who's working in a deli.


>>

People don't realize how many kinds of turkey there are.
When someone asks for a pound of turkey, I ask him/her
"what kind?  oven roasted, mesquite-smoked, honey
mesquite, rotisserie turkey, kettle fried oven roasted,
cajun, maple-brown sugar, ..."

I love Boar's Head Peppermill Turkey; I'll get a quarter-
pound just to snack on.

Evelyn Duncan
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The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> Why "krab"? Are people allergic to crab, or is it expensive, or what?

I don't know, but I can tell you that krab tastes as vile as its
spelling looks. Ken likes it and used to prepare it frequently. I could
scarcely choke it down.

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At 01:36 PM 3/30/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-03-30 | Lisa Alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >02003-03-28 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> >
> > >>51-70 = Middle Age
> > >
> > >I'm sorry, thats' totally unacceptable. Do you mean 41-70? I mean
> > >I'll kind of accept 70, though to me it says "old". But to say you
> > >are not middle-aged at 45 is plain wrong ...
> >
> > Yeah, you're right. I had no business laughing in the face of years and
> > years worth of scientific research when I made my own definitions, ones
> > that suited my own philosophies.
>
>You say this every time. But when the time comes to open your
>mouth you go and disrespect scientific research again.

At least I'm consistent.

lisa

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> I think not.
>
Well, I am willing it to the  Convent of Santa Maria delle
Grazie in Milan for their refectory, so you can visit it there.

alyce

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At 02:47 PM 3/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>If I could stomach a return to the Sucky South, this is a nice house in a
>nice area:
>
>http://www.realtor.com/Prop/1025993908
>
>
>
>    --bonniev


If I could stomach the sucky south's weather I would live in that house.
It's exactly what I want, at the price I want. Too bad an equivalent house
around here would be at least twice at much.

lisa

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>   But
> surely the exemption for being over 65 isn't *that* gigantic.

$1200 for me.

alyce

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At 03:39 PM 3/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Dig this:
>http://www.realtor.com/Prop/1025445883
>
>Nice looking house.  Huge.  Five bedrooms but only 1.3 baths.  Three car
>garage!   1855 square feet.   All for under $125,000.   But the taxes are
>twice what we pay here in Bar Harbor.
>
>    --bonniev

Ugh.. stop.. please.. this is making me sick. My rent  for a one bedroom,
one bathroom apartment is twice the estimated mortgage of that house.

lisa
who wouldn't trade city livin' for a cheap digs and Wisconsin winters.

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>Primarily students have always lived in them -- I mean always since the
>old mill houses started being turned into cutesy houses and apartments.
>That is an <in> neighborhood for students.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I'm surprise they still look so nice.  Don't the students trash the
interiors?   Do they leave old couches sitting outside at the end of the
school year?


    --bonniev

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Well, the University of Tennessee finally caught me at home and willing to
talk.   When the voice said "may I speak to Dr. Voigtlander", I said "this
is she" and, sure enough, she actually meant me!

So I answered all the questions, guessed at the year of my BA, and assured
her that I had no professional accomplishments to list.   I also declined
the $79.95 printed version and also the searchable CD Rom for the same low
price.

Did they get you, Natalie?


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > Well, you have lots of idiosyncratic definitions.
>
> Not idiosyncratic in this case.  My idiolect jibes with the local
> dialect re the use of the term snout house.

And jibes with all the definitions I found on the web.  I was hoping to
find some pictures illustrating the definitions, but the only picture I
found is one that does not strike me as the prototypical snout house,
though it meets the only definition I've found -- a house with a garage
that protudes in front.  Here's the picture:
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--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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bonniev wrote:

> I'm surprise they still look so nice.  Don't the students trash the
> interiors?

I don't think Dan would allow that.  People want to live in The Cotton
District and realize that pigs aren't allowed.

> Do they leave old couches sitting outside at the end of the
> school year?

No.  Or if they do, then Dan's work crews hall them off quickly.  They
do sometimes put garbage out on wrong days.  Dan told me that students
just don't seem capable of caring about garbage days.  (If it's too bad,
Dan's crews will haul it off.)

I put my old couch out on the curb, btw.  But I did it on the late
afternoon of the day before I knew was the day for stuff like that to be
picked up by the city trash people.  (I've never understood the
relationship between limbs and twigs and stuff like furniture and
appliances, but the same people pick all that stuff up -- as opposed to
the regular garbage.)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > That could be a factor affecting the taxes on that old house since that
> > neighborhood has lots of old people living in its old houses.  But
> > surely the exemption for being over 65 isn't *that* gigantic.
>
> I don't know--it's very large. Like 80% or something.

Hmm.  That is indeed something to look forward to (assuming we have such
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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> These are much cuter than anything for sale.

Actually there are a bunch of similar houses for sale in a location I
don't much like.  They're called "Charleston Style" and are cute, imho,
though not everybody thinks so.  I don't think a real-estate company has
them listed.  I think they're sold by the builder.

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bonniev wrote:

> Did they get you, Natalie?

Yep.  I told them nothing in my life had changed so to leave whatever
was in there.  (I later remembered that something had changed -- that
I'm now Professor Emerita -- but that's ok.)

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Well, I am willing it to the  Convent of Santa Maria delle
> Grazie in Milan for their refectory, so you can visit it there.

I will seek it out.  Milan is a city that I know little of, having done
no more than change trains there on several occasions.  But this would
be a special mission.

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> >http://www.realtor.com/Prop/1025993908

> If I could stomach the sucky south's weather I would live in that house.
> It's exactly what I want, at the price I want. Too bad an equivalent house
> around here would be at least twice at much.

I do find tastes in houses interesting.  Although that house doesn't
leap out at me as horribly ugly or anything like that, it's not at all
the kind of house I would be interested in buying.

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alyce cresap wrote:
> > surely the exemption for being over 65 isn't *that* gigantic.
>
> $1200 for me.

This is making me more and more hopeful that such an exemption exists
here and that it is that generous.  I hated this year when I lost the
homestead exemption on my old house.  I was able to double-dip last year
because that's how it works -- you keep the homestead exemption for the
rest of the year when moving, and of course this house had homestead
exemption because the previous owner lived in it.  But homestead
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02003-03-30 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> At 01:36 PM 3/30/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-03-30 | Lisa Alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> >> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >02003-03-28 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> >>
> >> >>51-70 = Middle Age
> >> >
> >> >I'm sorry, thats' totally unacceptable. Do you mean 41-70? I mean
> >> >I'll kind of accept 70, though to me it says "old". But to say you
> >> >are not middle-aged at 45 is plain wrong ...
> >>
> >> Yeah, you're right. I had no business laughing in the face of years and
> >> years worth of scientific research when I made my own definitions, ones
> >> that suited my own philosophies.
> >
> >You say this every time. But when the time comes to open your
> >mouth you go and disrespect scientific research again.
>
> At least I'm consistent.

Yeah, consistently shitty. If that makes you feel good, go right
ahead. Not my problem. I just pointed it out. <SHRUG>. Whatever.

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At 04:54 PM 3/30/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > Why "krab"? Are people allergic to crab, or is it expensive, or what?
>
>I don't know, but I can tell you that krab tastes as vile as its
>spelling looks.

Perhaps I don't have a sufficient appreciation/need of seafood---but before
I would eat imitation crab or lobster, I would settle for peanut butter
sandwiches.

cwv

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02003-03-30 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 04:54 PM 3/30/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
> >Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>
> >> Why "krab"? Are people allergic to crab, or is it expensive, or what?
> >
> >I don't know, but I can tell you that krab tastes as vile as its
> >spelling looks.
>
> Perhaps I don't have a sufficient appreciation/need of seafood---but before
> I would eat imitation crab or lobster, I would settle for peanut butter
> sandwiches.

Thanks for the generous concession!

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As we know, recent years have given many dumbass ranters a chance
to spread their wings--they can scarcely write a comprehensible
sentence, but they have already amassed an impressive amount of
erudition on topics such as worldwide Islam. Here's one:

>As for whether or not I think Islam is a peace-loving religion?
>No, I don't. Founded by a warlord, explicitly advocates conquering
>nonbelievers, and is the last of the world's major religions whose
>adherents are still fighting massively bloody fights against their
>neighbors and specifically using religion as a reason for the
>fighting.

I am just quoting this to show how easy and acceptable it has become
to shoot off your mouth about practically anything ... What's the
precise flaw in this? I leave it to you to figure out.

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> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >   But
> > surely the exemption for being over 65 isn't *that* gigantic.
>
> $1200 for me.
>
> alyce

I'm gelous.  We have no such exemption.

           - D. M.

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Has anyone seen Lucy the giant elephant statue south of Atlantic City?   I
never even heard of her until she was mentioned in this Doris Grumbach book
I'm reading.   Of course, she has a web page.

    --bonniev

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On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, bonniev wrote:

> >How can you stand to watch the soaps with all the commercials?  I thought
> >you taped them.     --Betty
>
> It's tough.  But I've had a lot to knit lately.  So I'm willing to sit
> there for the full two hours and watch all the stupid commercials.
>
> Hey Karen.  It's snowing like crazy in Syracuse right now.  They are
> supposed to get six inches.  Maybe your evil twin won't be able to get back
> home!
>

Hey, Bonnie, you call this snow? We drove up from Gettysburg (conference
with college Honors students this weekend). It was snowing and slushy
there and we were a little anxious abt what the weather would be like
farther north. But the snowfall was light and steady - never heavy enough
to coat the streets, really. There is lovely fresh snow on trees and
houses, but roads are bare.

clo, flying south on Thurs.

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On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, bonniev wrote:

> >>I won third place with my sister's collection of state
> >>handkerchiefs.   I once read that collecting things is a bid for
> >>immortality -- something that will live on after you.   Bah.  Humbug.
> >
> >There are state handkerchiefs?
> >Betty
>
> There were.  This would have been the 1950s.
>
I remember those, I think.
clo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>These are much cuter than anything for sale.
>>
>
> Actually there are a bunch of similar houses for sale in a location I
> don't much like.  They're called "Charleston Style" and are cute, imho,
> though not everybody thinks so.  I don't think a real-estate company has
> them listed.  I think they're sold by the builder.
>


        New houses are rarely charming.  I think charm comes with age.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         New houses are rarely charming.  I think charm comes with age.

I think certain new houses are charming, although they tend to be the
ones with a sort of <retro> style.  I love the style of these small
two-story houses with front porches on both levels.  I looked at one at
a real-estate open house and loved it, but there were some big
negatives, like not really a good fencible dog space or a place for a
doggy door.  I don't think I would have liked it as much if it had been
in a new neighborhood full of new houses.  It was one of three of these
cute houses right off Main Street in a run-down area.  As it turned out,
I've had occasion to be in that house a fair number of times since I
looked at it since one of my young colleagues bought it and has hosted
various parties there.  Every time I go in it, I think what a neat house
it is.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Are you serious about helping me knit blocks?   I could send you a little
kit.  Could you make five of them before May 5th?  You could make the
letters C L A S S .   You'd have to promise to send everything back to me
on May 5th, if you were finished or not.   The baby's due date is May 10th.


    --bonniev

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At 05:16 PM 3/30/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:

>Thanks for the generous concession!

by a vote of 5-4, you are welcome.

cwv

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02003-03-30 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
> New houses are rarely charming.  I think charm comes with age.

Once again, "Rita" is right. I hadn't realized this. For instance,
I've never heard of any architectural genius wanks who spoke about
"charm". Are there any?

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In a message dated 03/30/2003 7:34:53 PM Central Standard Time,
adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<<
I just saw that today! You're right, it was boring. When it was over, my
mother turned to me and said she didn't understand a bit of it.

>>

And Julia Stiles didn't have a large enough role.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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02003-03-30 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> Yes, we do have the Ziploc bags.  I always make sure to fully close the
> bag, then fold the top down and put the sticker on.  It takes longer,
> but it's safer.

Given time, you will optimize it to one motion.

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> Meat:  slicing meat, grabbing it and stuffing it into bags.

I have to ask; I am compelled.

Does Reasor's have the Ziploc-type deli bags?

If so, do you close a bag and THEN fold down the top and put on the sticker,
or do you just leave the closure open and roll down the bag excess, and
sticker it that way?

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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In a message dated 03/30/2003 7:11:49 PM Central Standard Time,
adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<<
Does Reasor's have the Ziploc-type deli bags?

If so, do you close a bag and THEN fold down the top and put on the sticker,
or do you just leave the closure open and roll down the bag excess, and
sticker it that way?


>>

Yes, we do have the Ziploc bags.  I always make sure to fully close the
bag, then fold the top down and put the sticker on.  It takes longer,
but it's safer.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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> The Bourne Identity   -- boring foreign intrigue

I just saw that today! You're right, it was boring. When it was over, my
mother turned to me and said she didn't understand a bit of it.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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At 06:10 PM 3/30/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 04:54 PM 3/30/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>> >
>> > Why "krab"? Are people allergic to crab, or is it expensive, or what?
>>
>>I don't know, but I can tell you that krab tastes as vile as its
>>spelling looks.
>
>Perhaps I don't have a sufficient appreciation/need of seafood---but before
>I would eat imitation crab or lobster, I would settle for peanut butter
>sandwiches.

Speaking of food, I had a delicious Dutch Apple Caramel Streusel Cheesecake
today at the Cheesecake Factory in San Francisco.

Betty

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In a message dated 03/30/2003 7:45:53 PM Central Standard Time,
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<<
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>>

Print sticker
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At 06:10 PM 3/30/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>These are much cuter than anything for sale.
>>
>>Actually there are a bunch of similar houses for sale in a location I
>>don't much like.  They're called "Charleston Style" and are cute, imho,
>>though not everybody thinks so.  I don't think a real-estate company has
>>them listed.  I think they're sold by the builder.
>
>
>        New houses are rarely charming.  I think charm comes with age.
Thank you.

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alec:
> Immaculate conception?

That's not what you mean.  You mean
"virgin birth".

--
Richard

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BF Clark wrote:

> At 06:10 PM 3/30/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>>> Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>> These are much cuter than anything for sale.
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually there are a bunch of similar houses for sale in a location I
>>> don't much like.  They're called "Charleston Style" and are cute, imho,
>>> though not everybody thinks so.  I don't think a real-estate company has
>>> them listed.  I think they're sold by the builder.
>>
>>
>>
>>        New houses are rarely charming.  I think charm comes with age.
>
> Thank you.


;)




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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In a message dated 3/30/2003 7:19:36 AM, bfclark2@ATTBI.COM writes:

<< This whole horrible mess is eating at me more than any past war
>in my life. >>

May I remind you that I warned you before this mess started, that you'd be
sorry?
But since I was called <stupid> for no reason imo, I guess that's more of my
stupidly showing, right?
Theo

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Why is my name in this?  Not that I don't agree.



At 09:23 PM 3/30/2003 -0500, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>In a message dated 3/30/2003 7:19:36 AM, bfclark2@ATTBI.COM writes:
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><< This whole horrible mess is eating at me more than any past war
> >in my life. >>
>
>May I remind you that I warned you before this mess started, that you'd be
>sorry?
>But since I was called <stupid> for no reason imo, I guess that's more of my
>stupidly showing, right?
>Theo

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> << This whole horrible mess is eating at me more than any past war
> >in my life. >>
>
> May I remind you that I warned you before this mess started, that you'd be
> sorry?
> But since I was called <stupid> for no reason imo, I guess that's more of my
> stupidly showing, right?

Exactly who are you saying this to?  You quoted me above, but if you're
addressing these comments to me, then you are indeed quite stupid.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> > The Bourne Identity   -- boring foreign intrigue
>
> I just saw that today! You're right, it was boring. When it was over,
my
> mother turned to me and said she didn't understand a bit of it.
>
> --Adam

A lot of movies fit into this class:
Someone is chasing someone or is being chased.
A lot of killing happens en route so you know
if the bad guy catches the other guy he is going
to kill him.  Only thing is you can never be sure
which one is the good guy and which one is the
bad guy.  There is often a double-cross somewhere
in the plot.  There is usually a girl involved in some
way.  You never figure out why because it is
definitely not a romance story.  There are lots
of murder and near-murder scenes and you
wonder how anyone thought this could be
entertaining.  By the time you come to the end
you really don't care which one is killed.  You
just don't want to watch it.

I wish they would start making movies about
exciting interesting things.  Killing is not in
that category.

                   - D. M.

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 4:28:38 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I was hoping to
> find some pictures illustrating the definitions, but the only picture I
> found is one that does not strike me as the prototypical snout house,
> though it meets the only definition I've found -- a house with a garage
> that protudes in front.  Here's the picture:
> http://www.ti.org/og9.html

'a garage that protrudes in front' fits most modern houses. The
claim that people drive more is bizarre--my street gets far more
foot traffic than car traffic, yet every house fits that
definition.

The definition I learned is that the snout obscures everything in
front, so it looks like only cars live there. One website I found
says "This flaw, which is endemic to narrow-frontage housing
within conventional suburban development, can be overcome only by
the provision of alleys or back lanes for rear-loaded garages."
The ugliest houses in my neighborhood are the ones with a back
alley (which is just coincidence, I'm sure).

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In a message dated 3/30/2003 8:09:16 AM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<        *Shrug*.  You've never seen a lot things that are right in
front of you, Natalie.
 >>

Aren't you going to call her <stupid>, Rita? Or is it just me who deserves
that label?
Just wondering. Theo

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 5:10:57 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> Perhaps I don't have a sufficient appreciation/need of seafood---

Au contraire--that's why you don't want to eat krab.

> but before I would eat imitation crab or lobster, I would
> settle for peanut butter sandwiches.

I *like* peanut butter.

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 5:55:11 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> clo, flying south on Thurs.

YaY! I sent you my phone numbers, right?

ET #3

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 6:20:44 PM, bonniev wrote:
> Are you serious about helping me knit blocks?   I could send you a little
> kit.  Could you make five of them before May 5th?  You could make the
> letters C L A S S .   You'd have to promise to send everything back to me
> on May 5th, if you were finished or not.   The baby's due date is May 10th.

Sure. I'm serious about making the knitting needles; just tell me
what size (again).

Oops--before I say 'sure', what size are the blocks?

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In a message dated 3/30/2003 9:06:02 AM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< What are you making? I finished my knitting needles last night.
They are beeyoooootiful. I think I'm going to make all my
knitting needles forever and ever...
 >>

How and what of do you make knitting needles? Theo

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 7:55:04 PM, BF Clark wrote:
> Speaking of food, I had a delicious Dutch Apple Caramel Streusel Cheesecake
> today at the Cheesecake Factory in San Francisco.

I'm boycotting them. They occupy the space of my favorite movie
theater.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/30/2003 8:09:16 AM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> <<        *Shrug*.  You've never seen a lot things that are right in
> front of you, Natalie.
>  >>
>
> Aren't you going to call her <stupid>, Rita? Or is it just me who deserves
> that label?
> Just wondering. Theo
>


        No, I'm calling Natalie mutant. You are the only truly stupid
person on words-l.  You provide confirmation almost daily.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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> Yes, we do have the Ziploc bags.  I always make sure to fully close the
> bag, then fold the top down and put the sticker on.  It takes longer,
> but it's safer.

Ah. Good. You Are Very Smart!

The deli clerks here look at me as if I have 3 heads when I ask them to
close the bag before stickering it.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:47:09 -0600
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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 8:41:33 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:
> In a message dated 3/30/2003 9:06:02 AM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

> << What are you making? I finished my knitting needles last night.
> They are beeyoooootiful. I think I'm going to make all my
> knitting needles forever and ever...
>  >>

> How and what of do you make knitting needles? Theo

I posted about this. Dowels, a saw, a pencil sharpener,
sandpaper, and oil. Easy as pie--actually, much easier than pie.

ET #3

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In a message dated 03/30/2003 8:44:20 PM Central Standard Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<

        No, I'm calling Natalie mutant. You are the only truly stupid
person on words-l.  You provide confirmation almost daily.

>>

I think Theo's not stupid.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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>From the NYT about Portland (which is where I learned the
term)--they define snout houses as "Houses that give no idea
where the front door might be."

http://www.wammcivic.org/%20Portland%20Houses.htm

This is a funny article.

Karen

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 8:49:12 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 03/30/2003 8:44:20 PM Central Standard Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

> <<

>         No, I'm calling Natalie mutant. You are the only truly stupid
> person on words-l.  You provide confirmation almost daily.

>>>

> I think Theo's not stupid.

Then why does she post like it so often?

ET #3

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 03/30/2003 8:44:20 PM Central Standard Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> <<
>
>         No, I'm calling Natalie mutant. You are the only truly stupid
> person on words-l.  You provide confirmation almost daily.
>
>
>
> I think Theo's not stupid.


        That's nice.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Did I get the correct month at least?

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >From the NYT about Portland (which is where I learned the
> term)--they define snout houses as "Houses that give no idea
> where the front door might be."
>
> http://www.wammcivic.org/%20Portland%20Houses.htm

I glanced through the article but didn't see that definition.  I saw
this one, which fits with all the others I've seen (though I don't think
that how far a door is from the street is relevant to the definition of
a snout house -- a house may be an acre away from the street and not
have a snout at all).

***********************
In this ever-quirky city of just under half a million people, the term
"snout house" has since been shunned as offensive to people
who live in snout houses. But the offending structure has been clearly
defined in the city code: the garage cannot dominate the
front of the house or protrude; the main entrance has to be close to the
street and clearly identifiable from the sidewalk; and the
side of the house that faces the street must have a certain minimum of
window and door space.
**********************

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 10:40 AM 3/28/2003 -0500, lisa alfieri wrote:
>At 07:01 PM 3/27/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>Betty wrote:
>> >
>> > I was removing a tick from Larry's arm and it broke off.  I'm digging the
>> > rest of it out now. I wish he would hold still.
>>
>>Remember when I discovered a tick or spider or something burrowed in
>>between my boobs?  It's coming up on a year now, and it's still red and
>>itchy much of the time.  Who is not holding still?  Larry or the tick
>>parts?
>>
>>--
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>Isn't a red ring at the site of a tick bite a sign of Lyme Disease?

A ring around the outside of the red site.  Takes several days to
appear.  Ends up looking like a bull's eye.

Betty

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 9:08:02 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> >From the NYT about Portland (which is where I learned the
>> term)--they define snout houses as "Houses that give no idea
>> where the front door might be."
>>
>> http://www.wammcivic.org/%20Portland%20Houses.htm

> I glanced through the article but didn't see that definition.

It was the 2nd or 3rd paragraph.

> I saw
> this one, which fits with all the others I've seen (though I don't think
> that how far a door is from the street is relevant to the definition of
> a snout house -- a house may be an acre away from the street and not
> have a snout at all).

> ***********************
> In this ever-quirky city of just under half a million people, the term
> "snout house" has since been shunned as offensive to people
> who live in snout houses. But the offending structure has been clearly
> defined in the city code: the garage cannot dominate the
> front of the house or protrude; the main entrance has to be close to the
> street and clearly identifiable from the sidewalk; and the
> side of the house that faces the street must have a certain minimum of
> window and door space.
> **********************

A lot of people use 'snout house' for any house that has a garage
in front; I thought that's how you were using it.

ET #3

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Betty wrote:
>
> Did I get the correct month at least?

According to my calendar, his birthday is March 32.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> A lot of people use 'snout house' for any house that has a garage
> in front; I thought that's how you were using it.

I use it only for a protruding garage.  If it's even with the rest of
the house, it's not a snout.

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 9:13:12 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> A lot of people use 'snout house' for any house that has a garage
>> in front; I thought that's how you were using it.

> I use it only for a protruding garage.  If it's even with the rest of
> the house, it's not a snout.

You're ignoring the rest of the definition.

ET #3

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At 09:11 PM 3/30/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Sunday, March 30, 2003, 9:08:02 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >> >From the NYT about Portland (which is where I learned the
> >> term)--they define snout houses as "Houses that give no idea
> >> where the front door might be."
> >>
> >> http://www.wammcivic.org/%20Portland%20Houses.htm
>
> > I glanced through the article but didn't see that definition.
>
>It was the 2nd or 3rd paragraph.
>
> > I saw
> > this one, which fits with all the others I've seen (though I don't think
> > that how far a door is from the street is relevant to the definition of
> > a snout house -- a house may be an acre away from the street and not
> > have a snout at all).
>
> > ***********************
> > In this ever-quirky city of just under half a million people, the term
> > "snout house" has since been shunned as offensive to people
> > who live in snout houses. But the offending structure has been clearly
> > defined in the city code: the garage cannot dominate the
> > front of the house or protrude; the main entrance has to be close to the
> > street and clearly identifiable from the sidewalk; and the
> > side of the house that faces the street must have a certain minimum of
> > window and door space.
> > **********************
>
>A lot of people use 'snout house' for any house that has a garage
>in front; I thought that's how you were using it.

Yes, they are ugly.  We discussed this in 2001.

Betty

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 9:20:57 PM, BF Clark wrote:
> Yes, they are ugly.  We discussed this in 2001.

Because you called my house a snout house! And it's not.

ET #3

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On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> I've never heard of any architectural genius wanks who spoke about
> "charm". Are there any?

Oh, sure.  For instance:


'However, the moment in which houses of Ozu becomes the most charming
existence is not the time in which the space is filled by residents.
Unmanned scene is just the scene of beauty: empty shots indicating the
change of places, a scene just before a person is entering a room, an
extra aftertasting scene just after a person has gone. This is very
similar to arthicture photographs in which no person comes out. But, why
is an empty or disposed room by marrage or bereavement so charming? This
is because an unmanned room is corresponding to Terrain vague as a surplus
space as Ignasi de sol?morales rubi?said. It changes to unknown spaces in
the house. The last scene of "Samma no Aji" projects an impressive
unmanned view: a dress table in the second floor which reflects an inhouse
scene, an unmanned kitchen and darkness, a shot of stairway indicating a
simple and absolute absence. In this film, a special stairway plan as well
as a ground plan of the Hirayama family was made. This is very surprising
fact in considering that there are no special plan except of other parts.
Maybe, the last shot of the stairway is recognized very important. Then,
unexpectedly, this is the posthumous work of Yasujiro Ozu.

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At 09:19 PM 3/30/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Sunday, March 30, 2003, 9:20:57 PM, BF Clark wrote:
> > Yes, they are ugly.  We discussed this in 2001.
>
>Because you called my house a snout house! And it's not.

Does it matter?  They are not all ugly.

Did Macy's in SF used to be a movie theatre?  I didn't know that.

Betty

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>Sure. I'm serious about making the knitting needles; just tell me
>what size (again).

Size 6

>Oops--before I say 'sure', what size are the blocks?
>ET #3

three inches square


    --bonniev

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> > How and what of do you make knitting needles? Theo
>
>I posted about this. Dowels, a saw, a pencil sharpener,
>sandpaper, and oil. Easy as pie--actually, much easier than pie.
>ET #3

But how do you make them to just the right size?  Different holes on a
pencil sharpener?  Lots of sanding?


    --bonniev

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 9:34:04 PM, BF Clark wrote:
> At 09:19 PM 3/30/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Sunday, March 30, 2003, 9:20:57 PM, BF Clark wrote:
>> > Yes, they are ugly.  We discussed this in 2001.
>>
>>Because you called my house a snout house! And it's not.

> Does it matter?  They are not all ugly.

Actually yes, they all are. Since they take up too much of the
front and you can't see any architectural detail.

But my house is not a snout house and I like it.

> Did Macy's in SF used to be a movie theatre?  I didn't know that.

No, the one here used to be the Arbor 7, an art theater.

ET #3

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 9:28:57 PM, bonniev wrote:

>>Sure. I'm serious about making the knitting needles; just tell me
>>what size (again).

> Size 6

Okay. I'll get Michelle to look at her thing and tell me what
size dowel I need.

>>Oops--before I say 'sure', what size are the blocks?
>>ET #3

> three inches square

No Problem.

ET #3

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 9:30:12 PM, bonniev wrote:
>> > How and what of do you make knitting needles? Theo
>>
>>I posted about this. Dowels, a saw, a pencil sharpener,
>>sandpaper, and oil. Easy as pie--actually, much easier than pie.
>>ET #3

> But how do you make them to just the right size?

The width is determined by the size of the dowel. The point is
made by the pencil sharpener. If I don't like the taper, I can
sand it more.

> Different holes on a
> pencil sharpener?  Lots of sanding?

60 or 80 grit sandpaper does an effective job of reshaping
anything without a huge amount of effort.

ET #3

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In a message dated 3/30/2003 7:32:25 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< Exactly who are you saying this to?  You quoted me above, but if you're
addressing these comments to me, then you are indeed quite stupid.
 >>

Well, excuse me all to hell. I meant it was Rita saying it, not you. I was
quoting YOUR post though. If you can't understand that, well ...... But I'm
not in the habit of calling people ugly names.
Theo

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 9:46:57 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:
> In a message dated 3/30/2003 7:32:25 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

> << Exactly who are you saying this to?  You quoted me above, but if you're
> addressing these comments to me, then you are indeed quite stupid.
>  >>

> Well, excuse me all to hell. I meant it was Rita saying it, not you. I was
> quoting YOUR post though. If you can't understand that, well ...... But I'm
> not in the habit of calling people ugly names.

You put Betty's name above Natalie's words. That's pretty ugly.

ET #3

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> > Well, excuse me all to hell. I meant it was Rita saying it, not you. I was
> > quoting YOUR post though. If you can't understand that, well ...... But I'm
> > not in the habit of calling people ugly names.
>
>You put Betty's name above Natalie's words. That's pretty ugly.
>ET #3

Even uglier, Theo said to Natalie "I told you that you would be sorry for
starting this war" totally ignoring that Natalie is and always has been
utterly opposed to this war.  She was sorry long before it started.


    --bonniev

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 9:57:23 PM, bonniev wrote:
>> > Well, excuse me all to hell. I meant it was Rita saying it, not you. I was
>> > quoting YOUR post though. If you can't understand that, well ...... But I'm
>> > not in the habit of calling people ugly names.
>>
>>You put Betty's name above Natalie's words. That's pretty ugly.
>>ET #3

> Even uglier, Theo said to Natalie "I told you that you would be sorry for
> starting this war" totally ignoring that Natalie is and always has been
> utterly opposed to this war.  She was sorry long before it started.

And not only Theo and Natalie. But I guess Theo thinks she's the
only one opposed to war. Ha.

ET #3

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In a message dated 3/30/2003 7:42:53 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<         No, I'm calling Natalie mutant. You are the only truly stupid
person on words-l.  You provide confirmation almost daily.
 >>

You are sooooo kind, Rita. Could you give me an example? I'd leave the list,
but only if most of the others agreed. OK? I realize that one cannot please
EVERYBODY <ALL> the time, but I'm sorry, this is the best I can do for now.
Theo

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In a message dated 3/30/2003 7:47:08 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< I posted about this. Dowels, a saw, a pencil sharpener,
sandpaper, and oil. Easy as pie--actually, much easier than pie.
 >>

Sorry, I forgot. Sounds interesting, Theo

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> > Even uglier, Theo said to Natalie "I told you that you would be sorry for
> > starting this war" totally ignoring that Natalie is and always has been
> > utterly opposed to this war.  She was sorry long before it started.
>
>And not only Theo and Natalie. But I guess Theo thinks she's the
>only one opposed to war. Ha.       --ET #3

Maybe Theo meant to say "I told you that <you people> would be
sorry."   But that wouldn't make any sense because most wordslers are
either opposed or saddened by the war.

Maybe she meant to say "I knew that the Bush administration would live to
regret starting this war."  If she had said that, we would mostly agree
with her and not think her stupid.


    --bonniev

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In a message dated 3/30/2003 7:51:24 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

<< I think Theo's not stupid.
 >>

Thanks, Theo

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From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> Meanwhile, however, I did decide to set out in search of ham.  Was
> aboutto buy a stale-looking ready-made ham sandwich since the bags
> of ham
> didn't turn me on, but then I noticed a fresher-looking
> chicken-salad-croissant, which I bought.  I just finished eating it.
> Not bad.

For some reason I feel compelled to report on the glorious sandwich I ate on Thursday.

I left work at 3:30 PM having not eaten all day. I was going into the city to a retirement party for my old boss at Hunter College, then southward to Philly for the night in order to attend a "Mini-Med School" at Thomas Jefferson. Before leaving my burbs, I needed to stop at an Italian deli to get some "Bronx Bread" for my sister -- we do have the best Italian bread around these parts. Philly bread has its charms, and does the best work on supporting the challenge of a cheesesteak, but Terranova bread from the Bronx totally rocks and gains me big points back home. Anyway, I'm starving and I'm standing in this fantastic salumeria/cheeseheaven/deli with the most pleasant little man, "and what else"ing me. I'd been craving prosciutto, and almost just ordered a 1/4 pound to pick at for the drive. When there it sat. Lonely. Dejected. "What's that?" "Prosciut-mozz panin." Sold!

Oh. My. God. You know how food only tastes that much more awesome when you are starving. Best thing ever. Lightly toasted, only semi-warmed. Perfectly not-too-salty prosciutto, tender cheese, roasted red peppers, a delicate vinaigrette. This was the food to be stranded on a desert island with. I don't know if these panini sandwiches are as popular everywhere as they have become here, but I highly recommend just this combination. Except yours probably won't taste as good as mine did.

Marie

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Doris, re The Others:
> It's not a bad movie, but depends upon what
> you like.

I liked it a lot. But I like that kind of thing.

Marie

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 9:24:33 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> I've never heard of any architectural genius wanks who spoke about
>> "charm". Are there any?

> Oh, sure.  For instance:


> 'However, the moment in which houses of Ozu becomes the most charming
> existence is not the time in which the space is filled by residents.

This is SO true.

ET #3

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 11:07:23 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> Oh. My. God. You know how food only tastes that much more
> awesome when you are starving. Best thing ever. Lightly
> toasted, only semi-warmed. Perfectly not-too-salty prosciutto,
> tender cheese, roasted red peppers, a delicate vinaigrette.
> This was the food to be stranded on a desert island with. I
> don't know if these panini sandwiches are as popular everywhere
> as they have become here, but I highly recommend just this
> combination. Except yours probably won't taste as good as mine
> did.

Costco sells a prosciutto/mozzarella/basil roll that is most
excellent.

ET #3

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On 30 Mar 2003 at 19:24, Ann Borkin wrote:

> 'However, the moment in which houses of Ozu becomes the most charming
> existence is not the time in which the space is filled by residents. [ And much more]


Huh? That's an "architectural genius wank"? Sounds like an
obscurantist cinema theorist working over Ozu's films to me.

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On 30 Mar 2003 at 19:05, Betty wrote:

> Did I get the correct month at least?

No.

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Sunday, March 30, 2003, 9:28:57 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>Sure. I'm serious about making the knitting needles; just tell me
>>what size (again).

> Size 6

I just checked. The needles I just finished are size 11--8mm. The
needles I'll make for your project are just half that, 4mm.

ET #3

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are again important items in my mind. For some that might be natural because we are coming close to Easter, for some there are more recent matters which may involve friends and/or relatives. For me it is simething else: it is now four years since ggs died. I remember taking a long walk in the mountains (or hills) near where I lived in Bergen and then also thinking about life and death. And then, since I had just seen Ingjerd (then only a friend) in Oslo a couple of days before, I realized that she was very important for me, and so life became just as important as death in my spinning mind. And this is the time of the year where the change between seasons is very dramatic here. There is still snow, it is still possible to ski in Oslo but there are also flowers appearing - in some cases on patches of earth between patches of snow - and the birds are coming back. In a way this feels like a stronger change than the one which will come in 4-5 months time when things are slowing down, g
etting colder and darker. Even if the storms in the autumn may be stronger, the strong spring breezes feel more powerfull.

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08:10 30.03.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
>Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
>>In a message dated 3/29/2003 8:08:45 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>>
>><< I've seen lots of black
>>Santa Clauses through the years, which did not strike me as odd even
>>though the traditional pictures of SC are white.  >>
>>
>>St.Nicolas was a Spanish bishop, therefor he had to be white. His helper,
>>Pieter was black. We never had the American version in my country. On the 5th
>>of December, St. Nicholas's birthday, we put our shoe by the fireplace, and
>>it was filled with goodies if you had been a good girl/boy all year. None of
>>this had anything to do with X-MAS, as it was a completely different holiday.
>
>
>       St. Nicholas was probably Turkish.  God, you're stupid.

I don't believe there were that many turks there in the 4th century - he might just as well coem from one of the Anatolian aboriginbal groups (so to speak) or even be Greek.

Espen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >> A lot of people use 'snout house' for any house that has a garage
> >> in front; I thought that's how you were using it.
>
> > I use it only for a protruding garage.  If it's even with the rest of
> > the house, it's not a snout.
>
> You're ignoring the rest of the definition.

The rest of the definition?

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Sunday, March 30, 2003, 9:20:57 PM, BF Clark wrote:
> > Yes, they are ugly.  We discussed this in 2001.
>
> Because you called my house a snout house! And it's not.

Betty called your house a snout house?  I don't remember seeing a
picture of the outside of your house.  I remember a few of the inside --
before you moved, iirc.  But I don't remember the outside.  Does yours
have a snout?

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/30/2003 7:32:25 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
> << Exactly who are you saying this to?  You quoted me above, but if you're
> addressing these comments to me, then you are indeed quite stupid.
>  >>
>
> Well, excuse me all to hell. I meant it was Rita saying it, not you. I was
> quoting YOUR post though. If you can't understand that, well ...... But I'm
> not in the habit of calling people ugly names.

You were saying you warned me that I wouldn't like for us to be at war?
That it's now "I told you so!"  If this were not such an unfunny
subject, I would be ROFL.  You think I was in favor of war?  You think
you're the only person among us who was against it?  Yes, you are indeed
stupid.  I don't consider that calling people ugly names.  I consider it
a simple and obvious fact.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Even uglier, Theo said to Natalie "I told you that you would be sorry for
> > starting this war" totally ignoring that Natalie is and always has been
> > utterly opposed to this war.  She was sorry long before it started.
>
> And not only Theo and Natalie. But I guess Theo thinks she's the
> only one opposed to war. Ha.

Yes.  That is a large part of what I found amazingly stupid in her
posting.  My reaction wasn't just about me, though she had in fact
quoted me.  I asked for whom her comments were intended because I
thought maybe she was addressing them to the one or two Wordslers not
against the war, although I don't think even they exactly needed to be
warned that war wasn't fun.

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21:11 30.03.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Betty wrote:
>>
>> Did I get the correct month at least?
>
>According to my calendar, his birthday is March 32.

Happy birthday tromorrow, then!

BTW Erik Kästner (who wrote Emil and the detectives) has written a book called May 35.

Espen

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/30/2003 7:42:53 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> <<         No, I'm calling Natalie mutant. You are the only truly stupid
> person on words-l.  You provide confirmation almost daily.
>  >>
>
> You are sooooo kind, Rita. Could you give me an example? I'd leave the list,
> but only if most of the others agreed. OK? I realize that one cannot please
> EVERYBODY <ALL> the time, but I'm sorry, this is the best I can do for now.

I hope you don't leave the list.  I'm glad you are on the list.  But for
an example of what Rita is talking about (though it came after what she
wrote above and thus wasn't specifically what she was thinking about),
see the past few postings re the war.

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bonniev wrote:

> Maybe Theo meant to say "I told you that <you people> would be
> sorry."   But that wouldn't make any sense because most wordslers are
> either opposed or saddened by the war.

That's what I meant by saying that my reaction to what she said wasn't
just because she quoted me, though that was part of it.  Even if
addressed to all Wordslers, it would make no sense.  (And you'd need to
change the "are" since her point seemed to be that we have now seen the
light -- that we were for the war earlier or that we didn't know we
would be saddened by it.)

> Maybe she meant to say "I knew that the Bush administration would live to
> regret starting this war."  If she had said that, we would mostly agree
> with her and not think her stupid.

Right, though I don't think the Bush administration has regretted it
quite yet.  Still, that would be only a debatable statement, not a
totally stupid one.

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> Doris, re The Others:
> > It's not a bad movie, but depends upon what
> > you like.
>
> I liked it a lot. But I like that kind of thing.

How old is it?  It sounded vaguely familiar to me when Doris described
it.  And, as I think I said yesterday, it does sound like my kind of
movie.  I'm going to look for it.

I don't think I mentioned that our movie talk yesterday inspired me to
see what movies were on tv last night.  I started watching "The Sound
and the Fury" (since I've seen "Terms of Endearment" at least twice) and
was appalled at how bad TSATF was.  I think I had seen it many years ago
and knew then that it was bad, but my memory of it was vague.  Anyway, I
turned it off after about ten or fifteen minutes.  Part of the problem,
no doubt, is that it would be pretty much impossible to turn that book
into a movie.

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That is a beautiful posting, Espen.

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Espen Ore wrote:

> >       St. Nicholas was probably Turkish.  God, you're stupid.
>
> I don't believe there were that many turks there in the 4th century - he might just as well coem from one of the Anatolian aboriginbal groups (so to speak) or even be Greek.

I took Rita's reference to Turkish to mean placing St. N. on a current
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Thank you, Karen, and Natalie.

Somehow the weekend passed without seeing me much at the computer (and
that's what weekends are for, aren't they? -- not sitting at a computer,
otoh, if I have friends there "on the other side of the screen", it might
be different).

I'll still postpone most reading either till tonight or even tomorrow.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Carpelan, Christian, Asko Parpola and Petteri Koskikalio, ed.
> (2002) Early Contacts between Uralic and Indo-European:
> Linguistic and Archeological Considerations, Finno-Ugrian
> Society.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8fch

Thank you. It is interesting. And then there are also the opinions of
the Finn Kalevi Wiik, who has dealt with his theory of both
anthropological and linguistic origins, and recently a book of him was
published.

Kristin

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Espen Ore wrote:

>  in my spinning mind.

I like your thoughts and the description of them.

Kristin

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/30/2003 7:42:53 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> <<         No, I'm calling Natalie mutant. You are the only truly stupid
> person on words-l.  You provide confirmation almost daily.
>  >>
>
> You are sooooo kind, Rita. Could you give me an example? I'd leave the list,
> but only if most of the others agreed. OK? I realize that one cannot please
> EVERYBODY <ALL> the time, but I'm sorry, this is the best I can do for now.


        You post stupid when you blame people on the list for
starting the war, when nearly all of the discussion has been
anti-war.  That's surpassingly moronic.  You are also
extremely rude.




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Espen Ore wrote:

> 08:10 30.03.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
>
>>Theodora Groothof wrote:
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>>
>>>In a message dated 3/29/2003 8:08:45 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>>>
>>><< I've seen lots of black
>>>Santa Clauses through the years, which did not strike me as odd even
>>>though the traditional pictures of SC are white.  >>
>>>
>>>St.Nicolas was a Spanish bishop, therefor he had to be white. His helper,
>>>Pieter was black. We never had the American version in my country. On the 5th
>>>of December, St. Nicholas's birthday, we put our shoe by the fireplace, and
>>>it was filled with goodies if you had been a good girl/boy all year. None of
>>>this had anything to do with X-MAS, as it was a completely different holiday.
>>>
>>
>>      St. Nicholas was probably Turkish.  God, you're stupid.
>>
>
> I don't believe there were that many turks there in the 4th century - he might just as well coem from one of the Anatolian aboriginbal groups (so to speak) or even be Greek.
>


        True.  I believe the Greeks do claim him, but I've seen it
disputed, too.  But being born in Myrna, he probably was not
Spanish.




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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
>>In a message dated 3/30/2003 7:42:53 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>>
>><<         No, I'm calling Natalie mutant. You are the only truly stupid
>>person on words-l.  You provide confirmation almost daily.
>> >>
>>
>>You are sooooo kind, Rita. Could you give me an example? I'd leave the list,
>>but only if most of the others agreed. OK? I realize that one cannot please
>>EVERYBODY <ALL> the time, but I'm sorry, this is the best I can do for now.
>>
>
> I hope you don't leave the list.  I'm glad you are on the list.  But for
> an example of what Rita is talking about (though it came after what she
> wrote above and thus wasn't specifically what she was thinking about),
> see the past few postings re the war.


        Natalie, you're not helping.




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Just came back from a 3-day conference - 600 Honors students and directors
- at Gettysburg, exploring that war and sometimes pitting it against this
one. We had two poetry sessions - some of the stuff was very enlightening.
clo

On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

> Actually, I view this as little more than a crude shakedown
> for U.S. $$ ala North Korea.
>
> But I think you would enjoy the "Poetry of War" unit I just
> put together.
>
>

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fallout. clo
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Mexican novelist Carlos Fuentes has cancelled his April 14
engagement to appear as a University Lecturer. The University
Lectures engagement is one of a number of U.S. appearances
cancelled by Mr. Fuentes in protest against U.S. actions in Iraq.

Fuentes, regarded as one of Latin America's most distinguished
literary figures, was to have lectured on the subject of "The
Creative Spirit as a Force of Humanism." While respecting his
decision to withdraw from this program, the University regrets
not being able to bring the voice of Carlos Fuentes and his
perspective on contemporary society to our students and faculty,
particularly in this time of international crisis.

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  >      No, I'm calling Natalie mutant. You are the only truly stupid
person on words-l.

If only .....

>You provide confirmation almost daily.

As do you -- far more often. That particular club is not as nearly as
exclusive as, say, a faux yacht club.

Please tell us more about the celibate Quakers!

AS

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > I hope you don't leave the list.  I'm glad you are on the list.  But for
> > an example of what Rita is talking about (though it came after what she
> > wrote above and thus wasn't specifically what she was thinking about),
> > see the past few postings re the war.
>
>         Natalie, you're not helping.

Not helping what?

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On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Espen Ore wrote:

> 15:52 27.03.2003 -0500 skrev alyce cresap:
> >Well, biopsy doctor finally called. I do have a malignant tumor of
> >squamous cells. Haven't Googled for that yet. I have an appointment next
> >Friday (April 4) with a new pulmonologist and on April 11 with an
> >oncologist, both of whom are highly thought of. So, we have two more
> >weeks till I learn of treatment or whatever. Wish it were sooner, but...
>
> Again, my warmest wishes and fingers etc. crossed.
>

Alyce, sorry to hear that the news wasn't better, but hoping that the
specialists will have some heartening news. How are you and your sister
getting along?

IMFTATL:
Aren't squamous cells funny-shaped cells, not necessarily metastasized -
spreading elsewhere? the last time I dealt with the term, it seems to me
that's how I understood it.

clo

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

> As do you -- far more often. That particular club is not as nearly as
> exclusive as, say, a faux yacht club.
>
> Please tell us more about the celibate Quakers!

Fwiw, I did not consider it "stupid" for Theo to be confused about the
country of St. Nicholas.  Factual errors of that kind (like confusing
the Shakers and Quakers) indicate lack of some specific bits of acquired
knowledge -- the kind of lack that surely every human being has.  And,
even though Rita has been held up as a model of non-inflammatory
postings, I think in fact she is at times inflammatory.  But not
stupid.

Since Rita told me that I'm "not helping" by calling Theo's recent war
comments stupid, I won't get into them again.  Also, I need to get ready
for my 8:00 class.

So there. ;-)

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At 12:07 AM 3/31/2003 -0500, Marie Ascher wrote:

>Oh. My. God. You know how food only tastes that much more awesome when you
>are starving. Best thing ever. Lightly toasted, only semi-warmed.
>Perfectly not-too-salty prosciutto, tender cheese, roasted red peppers, a
>delicate vinaigrette. This was the food to be stranded on a desert island
>with. I don't know if these panini sandwiches are as popular everywhere as
>they have become here, but I highly recommend just this combination.
>Except yours probably won't taste as good as mine did.

They must be becoming popular---most of the cooking-equipment catalogs now
offer little panini grills.  It's amazing how rapdily the technology arises
to support a food "discovery."  Makes one wonder how the Italians got along
all those years...

cwv

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At 08:06 AM 3/31/2003 -0500, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

>IMFTATL:
>Aren't squamous cells funny-shaped cells, not necessarily metastasized -
>spreading elsewhere? the last time I dealt with the term, it seems to me
>that's how I understood it.

Well, it's been about forty years since I took histology but---epithelial
cells (those that make up the skin, lining of mouth, respiratory system,
gut, etc.) come in three basic types: squamous (flat); cuboidal; and
cylindrical.  Squamous is probably the most prevalent type.  The others are
deeper in the epidermis and dermis layers.

More than you want/probably need to know:  the lining of the urinary
bladder is unique---when the bladder is empty, the epithelial cells are
cylindrical; as the bladder fills, the cells change first to cuboidal and
finally, when the bladder is full, to squamous.  This unique character
always made for interesting practical exam questions.

cwv

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Although I know we answered Kristin's basic question about "the
reserves," I was not satisfied with my lack of knowledge about
the Reserves vs the National Guard.  I just asked a colleague
who's a West Point graduate and Vietnam veteran and learned all
kinds of interesting stuff.

The quick answer to the question about the difference between
the Reserves and the NG is that the NG might be called part of
the "reserves" -- little r, but the Reserves is a different thing.
If one wants to be a "reserve," there's a choice of NG or Reserves.
The NG is considered a state organization until called upon by
the Pentagon (and there is a NG office in the Pentagon).  The
Reserves is national, not state.  They do the same kind of stuff
re weekend training and summer camps.

The part that got really interesting to me was what he was saying
when I asked about whether it was true that people leaving active
duty were automatically considered Inactive Reserve for x number
of years (no required training meetings, no pay, but still reserve).
He said that was true for him and that he thought it was for all
"regular officers."  The discussion of "regular officers" vs
"reserve officers" got really interesting.  He said that most of
the military people you see on tv or wherever are on on "reserve
commissions," which has nothing to do with being in The Reserves
but rather has to do with official designations.

And the really interesting thing is that he said that a "regular
officer" can be held in the military -- that their resignations
don't have to be accepted.  He first tried to resign as soon as
his four required years were up but was told that LBJ wasn't
allowing any resignations of regular officers at that time.

There's more, but I'm writing faster and faster.  Gotta go to class.
I asked him, btw, if the stuff he was saying was just Army or
whether it was also true of the other branches.  He said it was
true of all the branches.

   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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At 06:10 PM 3/30/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 04:54 PM 3/30/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>> >
>> > Why "krab"? Are people allergic to crab, or is it expensive, or what?
>>
>>I don't know, but I can tell you that krab tastes as vile as its
>>spelling looks.
>
>Perhaps I don't have a sufficient appreciation/need of seafood---but before
>I would eat imitation crab or lobster, I would settle for peanut butter
>sandwiches.
>
>cwv

Amen Brother!

lisa

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At 09:23 PM 3/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 3/30/2003 7:19:36 AM, bfclark2@ATTBI.COM writes:
>
><< This whole horrible mess is eating at me more than any past war
> >in my life. >>
>
>May I remind you that I warned you before this mess started, that you'd be
>sorry?
>But since I was called <stupid> for no reason imo, I guess that's more of my
>stupidly showing, right?
>Theo

I'm officially on the "SHUT UP THEO" Bandwagon!

lisa

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>>
> The quick answer to the question about the difference between
> the Reserves and the NG is that the NG might be called part of
> the "reserves" -- little r, but the Reserves is a different thing.
> If one wants to be a "reserve," there's a choice of NG or Reserves.
> The NG is considered a state organization until called upon by
> the Pentagon (and there is a NG office in the Pentagon).  The
> Reserves is national, not state.  They do the same kind of stuff
> re weekend training and summer camps.
>
> etc. etc.

>    --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Natalie, did he tell you about the pay?  Gene said he heard
a young woman on TV complaining bitterly about the
fact that she was called up for duty.  I think people who
sign up for the Reserves for the income it gives them or
for the education, do so with the understanding that they
can be called.  I don't know why they gave her air time.

              - D. M.

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 8:48:43 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
> Natalie, did he tell you about the pay?  Gene said he heard
> a young woman on TV complaining bitterly about the
> fact that she was called up for duty.  I think people who
> sign up for the Reserves for the income it gives them or
> for the education, do so with the understanding that they
> can be called.  I don't know why they gave her air time.

It is distressing to lose your home, even in the service of your
country.

ET #3

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> Monday, March 31, 2003, 8:48:43 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
> > Natalie, did he tell you about the pay?  Gene said he heard
> > a young woman on TV complaining bitterly about the
> > fact that she was called up for duty.  I think people who
> > sign up for the Reserves for the income it gives them or
> > for the education, do so with the understanding that they
> > can be called.  I don't know why they gave her air time.
>
> It is distressing to lose your home, even in the service of your
> country.
>
> ET #3

I had to think for a minute.  Are you talking about the
woman on TV . . or talking about your brother?  Does
his call-up mean losing his home?  If so, that would be
indeed distressing.

           - D. M.

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Oh god, I feel so butch

On the way home from VT yesterday, driving through terrible weather in the Adirondack
Mtns and very narrowly escaping a serious accident, the one bright spot was that I got
to listen to the Syracuse / Oklahoma game on the radio.  After the Syracuse / Auburn
game in the 16, I really doubted whether Syracuse had the strength to beat Oklahoma.
They had let Auburn penetrate the zone and without the zone, the Orangemen are just
not the Orangemen.  I feared that Oklahoma would have their number as well, but
Jimmy must have had a good talk with them.  They really are a remarkable team with
several remarkable players who are not so full of themselves that they have lost the
sense of teamwork.  It is a pleasure to watch how they communicate on the floor.

I don't know if they're good enough to beat Texas.  The brackets really worked in SU's
favor this year.  We'll see.  The University and the city are already going nuts.  Next
weekend wil be crazy here.


BrP

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 9:06:37 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
>> Monday, March 31, 2003, 8:48:43 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
>> > Natalie, did he tell you about the pay?  Gene said he heard
>> > a young woman on TV complaining bitterly about the
>> > fact that she was called up for duty.  I think people who
>> > sign up for the Reserves for the income it gives them or
>> > for the education, do so with the understanding that they
>> > can be called.  I don't know why they gave her air time.
>>
>> It is distressing to lose your home, even in the service of your
>> country.
>>
>> ET #3

> I had to think for a minute.  Are you talking about the
> woman on TV . . or talking about your brother?  Does
> his call-up mean losing his home?  If so, that would be
> indeed distressing.

I'm not talking about either. I don't know anything about the
woman on TV. I do know that a not-insignificant number of people
have lost their homes and been forced to give away pets, etc.
because of being called up. People's lives are being ruptured.

ET #3

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A perspective from Canada ....  --AS

http://www.nationalpost.com/commentary/story.html?id={11764CDF-7EAC-46C8-AFB
5-372D5A511475}



Going nuclear over nucular
Criticize Bush's policies, sure, but don't bash his pronunciation

Andy Lamey
National Post


I used to be a language bully. When I was in university, my friends and I
thought attacking everything that came out of people's mouths demonstrated
our vast learning. If someone said "irregardless," we'd launch into the
distinction between "regardless" and "irrespective," and how you can never
mix the two. Strangers could clear the table in dining hall by using "quote"
as a noun. News stories contained quotations, some poor first-year Wally
would be informed in the most condescending way possible. God help anyone
who began a sentence with "hopefully." That was a hanging crime.

These days language bullying is on the rise. I blame George W. Bush. His
status as both a genuinely poor speaker ("My education message will
resignate among all parents") and the initiator of a widely unpopular war
has made an interest in grammar fashionable again. It is increasingly common
to see Heather Mallick and other columnists go after the President's
pronunciation: "Bush, who still pronounces it 'nucular,' doesn't understand
what a nuclear weapon can do." Grammatical correctness has become political
correctness.

This is ironic. Language bullying -- or prescriptivism, as it's more
politely called -- is conservative in the worst se
nse. It advances a stuffy and old-fashioned view of language, the rules of
which it considers set by supposed experts, such as the authors of grammar
books, rather than common usage. It is deeply anti-populist and snobby, not
to mention just plain wrong and cranky. There are good reasons to criticize
Bush. But holding his -- or anyone else's -- grammar to dubious standards
isn't one of them.

Most "rules" cited by bullies are highly suspect. We're told to stop the
widespread practice of splitting the infinitive, as in the old Star Trek
line, "to boldly go where no man has gone before."

But this prohibition is based on the fact that in Latin it's impossible to
split infinitives -- a ridiculous basis for a rule in marvelously flexible
English. Don't end a sentence with a preposition? To cite Churchill, that is
a rule up with which we should not put.

Quote for quotation? Lots of words -- parent, contact, showcase, chair --
function as both noun and verb. Never begin a sentence with a conjunction?
But why not? Starting a sentence with hopefully is as unremarkable as
starting one with any other sentence-level adverb, as in, "Frankly, Mr.
President, I don't support your war." As for irregardless, the extra
syllable comes trippingly off the tongue because it resembles similar words
such as "irrelevant" and "irrespective," and has, at this point, made it
into dictionaries.

Language bullies have a bloody-minded and literal understanding of how
speech works. I once read an entire article denouncing the phrase "there you
go." It can be used in response to almost any statement, the writer griped,
but what the heck does "there you go" actually mean?

The answer is, nothing -- which is the point of most things we say. "There
you go" is an example of so-called phatic speech. You don't say. Is that so?
How about that. Well now. We constantly pepper our remarks with phrases that
don't say much of anything other than, "I'm listening." As Marshall McLuhan
observed, the point of most communication is to establish the fact that we
are communicating. Phatic phrases foster that sense of rapport. You have to
be pretty grouchy to be against that.
But worst of all is the constant abuse that is hurled at the non-standard
English of blacks and other groups, as when an old Mississippi Delta blues
singer howls, "I can't get no lovin'." That's a double negative, bullies
say, so it's wrong. But is this really so far off regular usage? Consider
how "any," "even," and "at all" function in the following sentences:

I didn't buy any lottery tickets. I didn't do any work at all today. I
didn't see even a single bird.

By themselves, these phrases don't contribute to the sentences' meaning, as
illustrated by the fact that you can't use them alone:

I bought any lottery tickets. I worked at all today. I saw even a single
bird.

As linguist Steven Pinker writes, "What these words are doing is exactly
what 'no' is doing in nonstandard English, such as in the equivalent 'I
didn't buy no lottery tickets' -- agreeing with the negated verb. The slim
difference is that non-standard English co-opted the word 'no' as the
agreement element whereas standard English co-opted the word 'any.' "

I suspect many of Bush's critics would want to avoid the distasteful
varieties of prescriptivism that amount to little more than "white speech
good, black speech bad." But once we "go nuclear" on "nucular," it's hard to
see how different we are from prescriptivists who sneer at the inventiveness
of non-standard English. Lots of people other than Bush say "nucular." It
even follows its own rhetorical logic, grafting on to "nuclear" the common
ending found in "particular" and "spectacular." When a phrase meets those
conditions, I'd say it's no longer a matter of blunt right and wrong, but
standard and non-standard. And that difference is best captured in the
linguist's quip that a language is a dialect with a navy.

Does this mean we can never criticize Bush-speak? Of course not. The issue
isn't whether there should be rules, but whether they conform with
widespread usage. If a phrase makes you laugh out loud -- and I chortled at
"resignate" -- it's probably far off anybody's standard. We can also -- just
an idea -- criticize the U.S. President based on his bad policies. It ain't
like there's a shortage of those.

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At 10:02 AM 3/31/2003 -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>On the way home from VT yesterday, driving through terrible weather in the
>Adirondack
>Mtns and very narrowly escaping a serious accident, the one bright spot
>was that I got
>to listen to the Syracuse / Oklahoma game on the radio.

Glad you made it safely.  You missed seeing a great game.

>  After the Syracuse / Auburn
>game in the 16, I really doubted whether Syracuse had the strength to beat
>Oklahoma.
>They had let Auburn penetrate the zone and without the zone, the Orangemen
>are just
>not the Orangemen.

I think Auburn was the wake-up call---they got a little complacent.  Not
so, yesterday.  Afterwards, Sampson, the OU coach was quoted to the effect
that "zone" is a relative term---they had seen zones before but never
anything like what Syracuse threw at them.

cwv

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> Oh god, I feel so butch
>
> On the way home from VT yesterday, driving through terrible weather in the Adirondack
> Mtns and very narrowly escaping a serious accident, the one bright spot was that I got
> to listen to the Syracuse / Oklahoma game on the radio.  After the Syracuse / Auburn
> game in the 16, I really doubted whether Syracuse had the strength to beat Oklahoma.
> They had let Auburn penetrate the zone and without the zone, the Orangemen are just
> not the Orangemen.  I feared that Oklahoma would have their number as well, but
> Jimmy must have had a good talk with them.  They really are a remarkable team with
> several remarkable players who are not so full of themselves that they have lost the
> sense of teamwork.  It is a pleasure to watch how they communicate on the floor.
>
> I don't know if they're good enough to beat Texas.  The brackets really worked in SU's
> favor this year.  We'll see.  The University and the city are already going nuts.  Next
> weekend wil be crazy here.
>
> BrP

Oh God, you are so butch!

Tshirt very much in evidence yesterday around SU:

front: Carmello/SU
back: Real Men Stay Two Years

clo

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>
> I think Auburn was the wake-up call---they got a little complacent.  Not
> so, yesterday.  Afterwards, Sampson, the OU coach was quoted to the effect
> that "zone" is a relative term---they had seen zones before but never
> anything like what Syracuse threw at them.
>
> cwv


"Me and Gerry McNamara and Carmelo Anthony missed a lot of wide-open 3-
point shots, so I think we could have won by more. And, defensively, we saw it
early. 'The bug eyes,' we call them. That's when teams are looking around at our
zone defense and don't know what to do."
-Kueth Duaney



BrP

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Peter Arnett should have known better.  NBC fired him this morning and they were right,
imo, to do so.

BrP

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On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> My brother will probably be deployed in May.:(
>
> Karen
>
Karen, I am so sorry to hear this.  clo

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 9:40:40 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> Peter Arnett should have known better.  NBC fired him this morning and they were right,
> imo, to do so.

Well, he's an ass. But why did they fire him?

ET #3

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 9:44:11 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
> Monday, March 31, 2003, 9:40:40 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>> Peter Arnett should have known better.  NBC fired him this morning and they were right,
>> imo, to do so.

> Well, he's an ass. But why did they fire him?

Never mind. "It was wrong for Mr. Arnett to grant an interview
with state-controlled Iraqi TV, especially at a time of war and
it was wrong for him to discuss his personal observations and
opinions," NBC said in a statement."

ET #3

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On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Saturday, March 29, 2003, 1:45:51 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > > It says: "The students below have been called to serve in Operation
> > > Iraqi Freedom."
> >
> > > Called? What does it mean?
> >

Remember in the first Bush's first Gulf War, many of the recruiters had
systematically been assuring the people they signed up that they would
never fight, because the US is peaceful now, and they were absolutely and
completely shocked at being sent against their will into combat?

Supposedly the recruiting system was reformed to make sure people
understood what they were getting into, but I have wondered whether over
time the hazardous nature of being a soldier would again slip into the
background.


clo

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> Monday, March 31, 2003, 9:44:11 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Monday, March 31, 2003, 9:40:40 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> >> Peter Arnett should have known better.  NBC fired him this morning and they were right,
> >> imo, to do so.
>
> > Well, he's an ass. But why did they fire him?
>
> Never mind. "It was wrong for Mr. Arnett to grant an interview
> with state-controlled Iraqi TV, especially at a time of war and
> it was wrong for him to discuss his personal observations and
> opinions," NBC said in a statement."
>
> ET #3

I respect his opinions as a human being, but he should never have crossed the line
from reporting the story to being the story.


BrP

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On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> > 'However, the moment in which houses of Ozu becomes the most charming
> > existence is not the time in which the space is filled by residents. [ And much more]
> Huh? That's an "architectural genius wank"? Sounds like an
> obscurantist cinema theorist working over Ozu's films to me.

How much difference can there be between an architectural genius wank and
an obscurantist cinema theorist?  I say close enough!

Ann

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 9:44:20 AM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> Supposedly the recruiting system was reformed to make sure people
> understood what they were getting into, but I have wondered whether over
> time the hazardous nature of being a soldier would again slip into the
> background.

Someone mentioned this guy in meeting yesterday. "Fort Hood
soldier Ralph Padula tried for months to obtain conscientious
objector status. But as his military police unit shipped out to
Iraq, and officers made it clear that he too would be deployed,
Padula fled on Thursday and sought sanctuary at a Catholic church
in Round Rock, Texas."

http://www.austin360.com/aas/news/iraq/0303/0330awol.html

Personal Note: My brother was right about MP units getting
deployed early.

ET #3

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 9:54:39 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>> Monday, March 31, 2003, 9:44:11 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
>> > Monday, March 31, 2003, 9:40:40 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>> >> Peter Arnett should have known better.  NBC fired him this morning and they were right,
>> >> imo, to do so.
>>
>> > Well, he's an ass. But why did they fire him?
>>
>> Never mind. "It was wrong for Mr. Arnett to grant an interview
>> with state-controlled Iraqi TV, especially at a time of war and
>> it was wrong for him to discuss his personal observations and
>> opinions," NBC said in a statement."
>>
>> ET #3

> I respect his opinions as a human being, but he should never have crossed the line
> from reporting the story to being the story.

I agree. But I also wonder if Homeland Security will go after
him.

ET #3

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Carolyn writes,

>understood what they were getting into, but I have wondered whether over
>time the hazardous nature of being a soldier would again slip into the
>background.

Not quite to your point, but I thought this from another list was a great
observation:

"I always hated the draft -- both during the 8 years I was subjected to it,
and for decades thereafter.  However, this capricious adventurism
illustrates the problem with NOT having a universal draft, that's REALLY
universal -- rather than the half-baked draft that allowed today's Chicken
Hawks to DODGE it."

Pete

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>
> I'm not talking about either. I don't know anything about the
> woman on TV. I do know that a not-insignificant number of people
> have lost their homes and been forced to give away pets, etc.
> because of being called up. People's lives are being ruptured.
>
> ET #3

I heard  that Sears has a deal for any of their
employees called up by the Reserves.  Sears
will make up the difference in pay so that they
will be receiving the same amount they had
received before.

               - D. M.

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 10:35:42 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
>> I'm not talking about either. I don't know anything about the
>> woman on TV. I do know that a not-insignificant number of people
>> have lost their homes and been forced to give away pets, etc.
>> because of being called up. People's lives are being ruptured.
>>
>> ET #3

> I heard  that Sears has a deal for any of their
> employees called up by the Reserves.  Sears
> will make up the difference in pay so that they
> will be receiving the same amount they had
> received before.

Oooh, let's all go work for Sears.

ET #3

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/30/2003 7:19:36 AM, bfclark2@ATTBI.COM writes:
>
> << This whole horrible mess is eating at me more than any past war
> >in my life. >>
>
> May I remind you that I warned you before this mess started, that you'd be
> sorry?
> But since I was called <stupid> for no reason imo, I guess that's more of my
> stupidly showing, right?

Theo, what is going on? You quoted Natalie's words, not Betty's.
Furthermore, Natalie is on record, since months ago, as being against
the war. She has posted about attending at least two peace/anti-war
events. You must know by now how she feels about it.

I am the one who called you stupid (about the war thing), and I think
you are, because you keep lashing out at the Wordslers about being
pro-war, or implying that you are the only one against it, when this is
not at all true. If you recall, I even sent you a private e-mail a
couple of weeks ago on the subject.

Why don't you read what people actually say, analyze it, and then say
what you have to say, if anything.

alyce

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BF Clark wrote:
>
> A ring around the outside of the red site.  Takes several days to
> appear.  Ends up looking like a bull's eye.
>
But you can have Lyme without the bull's eye. Columbia County, NY, is
the official capital of Lyme Disease. We are all pretty much experts by
now. A blood test for Lyme is $77.00.

alyce
> Betty


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Subject: stupid


> Peter Arnett should have known better.  NBC fired him this morning and
they were right,
> imo, to do so.
>
> BrP

In the last war there he was fired by CBS.

          - D. M.

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> Monday, March 31, 2003, 9:40:40 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > Peter Arnett should have known better.  NBC fired him this morning
and they were right,
> > imo, to do so.
>
> Well, he's an ass. But why did they fire him?
>
> ET #3

Because of his assmenship.

               - D. M.

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 10:40:25 AM, Doris Markland wrote:

> Subject: stupid


>> Peter Arnett should have known better.  NBC fired him this morning and
> they were right,
>> imo, to do so.
>>
>> BrP

> In the last war there he was fired by CBS.

What about CNN?

ET #3

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>
>
> > Peter Arnett should have known better.  NBC fired him this morning and
> they were right,
> > imo, to do so.
> >
> > BrP
>
> In the last war there he was fired by CBS.
>
>           - D. M.

Hmmm  I didn't remember this.  What did he do to get fired then? I guess National
Geographic has fired him as well.  I wonder if he'll have to pack his bags or if maybe
he can persuade somebody like National Enquirer to credential him.

BrP

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Natalie, did he tell you about the pay?

The only thing about pay that we discussed was the fact that "Inactive
Reserves" were truly inactive, including not being paid (which makes
sense, of course).  Is there something else to know about the pay?

> Gene said he heard
> a young woman on TV complaining bitterly about the
> fact that she was called up for duty.  I think people who
> sign up for the Reserves for the income it gives them or
> for the education, do so with the understanding that they
> can be called.  I don't know why they gave her air time.

Maybe they gave her air time to show that some people don't really
understand what they're committing themselves to when they join?

--
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> > In the last war there he was fired by CBS.
>
> What about CNN?
>
> ET #3

Right.  CNN.

      - D. M.

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Very interesting article about how the pre-war simulations differed from what's
actually happening.


BrP



http://slate.msn.com/id/2080814/

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

>  I really doubted whether Syracuse had the strength to beat Oklahoma.

Oh good -- my one last chance to talk basketball.  Even puny little MSU
beat Oklahoma with no problem this year (this basketball year, I mean --
it was sometime before xmas).

--
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bonniev wrote:
>
> Maybe she meant to say "I knew that the Bush administration would live to
> regret starting this war."  If she had said that, we would mostly agree
> with her and not think her stupid.

Yes.

alyce
>
>     --bonniev


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Monday, March 31, 2003, 10:48:20 AM, Doris Markland wrote:

>> > In the last war there he was fired by CBS.
>>
>> What about CNN?
>>
>> ET #3

> Right.  CNN.

It wasn't the last war.
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,6119,2-10-1460_1340944,00.html says:

"It is the second career-stalling scandal in Arnett's 40-year career.

Arnett, in Baghdad for NBC and National Geographic Explorer, was
one of the few Western correspondents in the Iraqi capital. He
became a household name by reporting for CNN from Baghdad during
the first Gulf War in 1991.

But he was fired by CNN for his involvement in a 1998 story on
Operation Tailwind, which alleged that the US forces used nerve
gas in a 1970 mission to hunt down US defectors during the
Vietnam War.

That story was vigorously denied by US military officials, and
ultimately was retracted by CNN.

Arnett said on Monday that he has no immediate plans.

"There's a small island in the South Pacific, uninhabited, which
I will try to swim to," he said."

ET #3

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
> Well, excuse me all to hell. I meant it was Rita saying it, not you.

No, Theo. You are wrong again. It was not Rita saying it. It was
Natalie's post, but you attributed it to Betty, not Rita.

> But I'm not in the habit of calling people ugly names.

It is interesting to learn that you are not in the habit of calling
people ugly names. What do you call it when you lambaste, ridicule,
criticize, and scorn the US and all of its citizens?

alyce

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 10:36:46 AM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Theodora Groothof wrote:
>> Well, excuse me all to hell. I meant it was Rita saying it, not you.

> No, Theo. You are wrong again. It was not Rita saying it. It was
> Natalie's post, but you attributed it to Betty, not Rita.

Rita's the one who first called her stupid, though. I think that
was what she was addressing.

>> But I'm not in the habit of calling people ugly names.

> It is interesting to learn that you are not in the habit of calling
> people ugly names. What do you call it when you lambaste, ridicule,
> criticize, and scorn the US and all of its citizens?

Calling me uncivilized did not endear her to me.

ET #3

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> You are sooooo kind, Rita. Could you give me an example?

Here is an example. You know full well that many of us on this list are
totally against the war and have been since the idea sprang forth from
the Commander-in-Chief's brow. And yet you persist in accusing us (en
bloc) of being pro-war, and intimate that you and only you are wise
enough to oppose it.

And finally, No one has asked you to leave the list. But if you persist
in ugly posts, you will continue to earn "ugly names."

alyce

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In a message dated 03/31/2003 11:34:58 AM Central Standard Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
Evidently they are going to try to compete with Target and
Walmart.

>>

When Target and Wal-Mart do it so well?

I think Lacy is trying to dismantle the company.

Evelyn Duncan
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The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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At 10:35 AM 3/31/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> > I'm not talking about either. I don't know anything about the
> > woman on TV. I do know that a not-insignificant number of people
> > have lost their homes and been forced to give away pets, etc.
> > because of being called up. People's lives are being ruptured.
> >
> > ET #3
>
>I heard  that Sears has a deal for any of their
>employees called up by the Reserves.  Sears
>will make up the difference in pay so that they
>will be receiving the same amount they had
>received before.
>
>                - D. M.

I thought companies had to do this along with promise that the job be there
when the soldier returns.

I read an article about a property management company who makes a good deal
of money but doesn't have a lot of employees. Two of their employees were
called up. The company is paying the differential pay and offering some
kind of insurance coverage. They're also going to hire at least one person
on a temporary basis. For this particular company it's not so bad because
their revenues are high enough. It's a burden for a lot of smaller companies.

lisa

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At 11:40 AM 3/31/2003 -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Peter Arnett should have known better.  NBC fired him this morning and
> > they were right,
> > > imo, to do so.
> > >
> > > BrP
> >
> > In the last war there he was fired by CBS.
> >
> >           - D. M.
>
>Hmmm  I didn't remember this.  What did he do to get fired then? I guess
>National
>Geographic has fired him as well.  I wonder if he'll have to pack his bags
>or if maybe
>he can persuade somebody like National Enquirer to credential him.
>
>BrP

He narrated a story about Operation Tailwind. The story asserted that the
US Army used serin (I think that's what I read) gas against it's own men
who had defected to Laos during the Vietnam war.

The pentagon was livid. Army officials were livid. Veterans were livid.
Lots and lots of pressure was put on CNN, including a threatened quarantine
by the government, if he didn't go. CNN decided they'd rather stay in business.

lisa

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In a message dated 03/31/2003 10:31:30 AM Central Standard Time,
dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

<<
I heard  that Sears has a deal for any of their
employees called up by the Reserves.  Sears
will make up the difference in pay so that they
will be receiving the same amount they had
received before.


>>

Yes, I've heard that, too.

Did you hear that Sears is looking to sell its credit division?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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> Monday, March 31, 2003, 10:48:20 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >> > In the last war there he was fired by CBS.
> >>
> >> What about CNN?
> >>
> >> ET #3
>
> > Right.  CNN.


> It wasn't the last war.
> ET #3


I said "the last war there."  Maybe I should have
said "our last war there" or more properly
Gulf War I.

This list is getting too picky.

             - D. M.

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At 10:43 AM 3/31/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > a young woman on TV complaining bitterly about the
> > fact that she was called up for duty.  I think people who
> > sign up for the Reserves for the income it gives them or
> > for the education, do so with the understanding that they
> > can be called.  I don't know why they gave her air time.

I think it likely that those who join the Reserves expect to be called if
this country is in danger; what might not occur to some of them is that
they are subject to be called for whatever adventure the Commander in Chief
dreams up.

cwv

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> hoping that the
> specialists will have some heartening news.

Thanks.

>How are you and your sister getting along?

Pretty well. She wants to go home, but won't leave me alone. That makes
me have a guilt trip and shortens her temper. But...it's OK.

alyce
>
> IMFTATL:
> Aren't squamous cells funny-shaped cells, not necessarily metastasized -
> spreading elsewhere? the last time I dealt with the term, it seems to me
> that's how I understood it.
>
> clo


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Monday, March 31, 2003, 11:01:27 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> I thought companies had to do this along with promise that the job be there
> when the soldier returns.

Nope. They only have to guarantee the job--and there are certain
ways they can get around that.

ET #3

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 11:16:27 AM, Doris Markland wrote:

>> Monday, March 31, 2003, 10:48:20 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
>>
>> >> > In the last war there he was fired by CBS.
>> >>
>> >> What about CNN?
>> >>
>> >> ET #3
>>
>> > Right.  CNN.


>> It wasn't the last war.
>> ET #3


> I said "the last war there."  Maybe I should have
> said "our last war there" or more properly
> Gulf War I.

> This list is getting too picky.

It was in 1998, Doris, and it was about the VietNam war. I don't
think it's excessively picky to claim that Gulf War I is not the
war in VietNam, but have it your way.

ET #3

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In a message dated 03/31/2003 11:22:32 AM Central Standard Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 11:08:23 AM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Did you hear that Sears is looking to sell its credit division?

Yep. My housemate and I were talking about this Thursday.

ET #3

>>

This was the last thing I thought Lacy would do:  sell the credit
division to concentrate on the stores.  I thought he would
concentrate on credit, service, and the web site and let most of
the stores go.  Have the stores carry the smaller items and use
them as website and catalog fulfillment sites.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 11:08:23 AM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Did you hear that Sears is looking to sell its credit division?

Yep. My housemate and I were talking about this Thursday.

ET #3

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 11:31:47 AM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> This was the last thing I thought Lacy would do:  sell the credit
> division to concentrate on the stores.  I thought he would
> concentrate on credit, service, and the web site and let most of
> the stores go.  Have the stores carry the smaller items and use
> them as website and catalog fulfillment sites.

Evidently they are going to try to compete with Target and
Walmart.

ET #3

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:41:44 -0600
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Monday, March 31, 2003, 10:44:55 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> Very interesting article about how the pre-war simulations differed from what's
> actually happening.

This isn't the first time I've heard this claim of hobbled war
games... I'm trying to think. Oh god, I watch too much TV: I must
have seen this in an episode of "JAG".

Anyway, it's silly. And rather horrifying that they expect it to
mimic reality.

ET #3

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> Monday, March 31, 2003, 10:44:55 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > Very interesting article about how the pre-war simulations differed from what's
> > actually happening.
>
> This isn't the first time I've heard this claim of hobbled war
> games... I'm trying to think. Oh god, I watch too much TV: I must
> have seen this in an episode of "JAG".
>
> Anyway, it's silly. And rather horrifying that they expect it to
> mimic reality.
>
> ET #3

or worse, that they expect reality to mimic the game


BrP

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 11:43:41 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>> Monday, March 31, 2003, 10:44:55 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>> > Very interesting article about how the pre-war simulations differed from what's
>> > actually happening.
>>
>> This isn't the first time I've heard this claim of hobbled war
>> games... I'm trying to think. Oh god, I watch too much TV: I must
>> have seen this in an episode of "JAG".
>>
>> Anyway, it's silly. And rather horrifying that they expect it to
>> mimic reality.
>>
>> ET #3

> or worse, that they expect reality to mimic the game

I'm sorry, yes, that's what I meant. I just said it backwards.:)
That's the horrifying part. It's tough to put your life in the
hands of people who believe that reality is the same as a rigged
videogame.

ET #3

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> Monday, March 31, 2003, 11:16:27 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >> Monday, March 31, 2003, 10:48:20 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
> >>
> >> >> > In the last war there he was fired by CBS.
> >> >>
> >> >> What about CNN?
> >> >>
> >> >> ET #3
> >>
> >> > Right.  CNN.
>
>
> >> It wasn't the last war.
> >> ET #3
>
>
> > I said "the last war there."  Maybe I should have
> > said "our last war there" or more properly
> > Gulf War I.
> > This list is getting too picky.
>
> It was in 1998, Doris, and it was about the VietNam war. I don't
> think it's excessively picky to claim that Gulf War I is not the
> war in VietNam, but have it your way.
>
> ET #3

Not arguing.  I'm just in and out, and I didn't
read it correctly.

               - D. M.

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:15:51 -0600
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We could go to the rodeo! It's here till April 5th.

Karen

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> Remember in the first Bush's first Gulf War, many of the recruiters had
> systematically been assuring the people they signed up that they would
> never fight

I remember some reservists and guardsmen objecting
to being a called up, but I don't remember anything
about this "systematic assurance" thing you speak of.

Can you direct me to source?

The advertising always has suggested little more than
a really cool camping trip, but the actual recruiting?

--
Richard       lace 'em up Gordie, you're going in

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Will do after I get done traveling... no time for web search right now.
It was a while ago, after all - but I vividly remember the scandal,
and the acknowledgement that it was a widespread recruiting
practice.

clo

"no straight, chaser" wrote:

> > Remember in the first Bush's first Gulf War, many of the recruiters had
> > systematically been assuring the people they signed up that they would
> > never fight
>
> I remember some reservists and guardsmen objecting
> to being a called up, but I don't remember anything
> about this "systematic assurance" thing you speak of.
>
> Can you direct me to source?
>
> The advertising always has suggested little more than
> a really cool camping trip, but the actual recruiting?
>
> --
> Richard       lace 'em up Gordie, you're going in

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On 31 Mar 2003 at 12:15, Karen Kay wrote:

> We could go to the rodeo! It's here till April 5th.

The rodeo? Then maybe you bloody well are uncivilized.

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On 31 Mar 2003 at 7:56, Ann Borkin wrote:

> How much difference can there be between an architectural genius wank and
> an obscurantist cinema theorist?  I say close enough!

A valid point.

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Origin unknown.... (should appeal to yabutters-you know who you are)

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The White House Explains War Against Iraq to Someone Who Doesn't Understand.

Patriotic North American: Why did you say we are we invading Iraq?

White House Member of Staff: We are invading Iraq because it is in
violation of Security Council resolution 1441. A country cannot be
allowed to violate Security Council resolutions.

PN: But I thought many of our allies, including Israel, were in
violation of more Security Council resolutions than Iraq.

WM: It's not just about UN resolutions. The main point is that Iraq
could have weapons of mass destruction, and the first sign of a
smoking gun could well be a mushroom cloud over NY.

PN: Mushroom cloud? But I thought the weapons inspectors said Iraq
had no nuclear weapons.

WM: Yes, but biological and chemical weapons are the issue.

PN: But I thought Iraq did not have any long range missiles for
attacking us or our allies with such weapons.

WM: The risk is not Iraq directly attacking us, but rather terrorists
networks that Iraq could sell the weapons to.

PN: But couldn't virtually any country sell chemical or biological
materials? We sold quite a bit to Iraq in the eighties ourselves,
didn't we?

WM: That's ancient history. Look, Saddam Hussein is an evil man that
has an undeniable track record of repressing his own people since the
early eighties. He gasses his enemies. Everyone agrees that he is a
power-hungry lunatic murderer.

PN: We sold chemical and biological materials to a power-hungry
lunatic murderer?

WM: The issue is not what we sold, but rather what Saddam did. He is
the one that launched a pre-emptive first strike on Kuwait.

PN: A pre-emptive first strike does sound bad. But didn't our
ambassador to Iraq, April Gillespie, know about and green-light the
invasion of Kuwait?

WM: Let's deal with the present, shall we? As of today, Iraq could
sell its biological and chemical weapons to Al Quaida. Osama Bin Laden
himself released an audio tape calling on Iraqis to suicide-attack
us, proving a partnership between the two.

PN: Osama Bin Laden? Wasn't the point of invading Afghanistan to kill him?

WM: Actually, it's not 100% certain that it's really Osama Bin Laden
on the tapes. But the lesson from the tape is the same: there could
easily be a partnership between al-Qaida and Saddam Hussein unless we
act.

PN: Is this the same audiotape where Osama Bin Laden labels Saddam a
secular infidel?

WM: You're missing the point by just focusing on the tape. Powell
presented a strong case against Iraq.

PN: He did?

WM: Yes, he showed satellite pictures of an Al Qaida poison factory in Iraq.

PN: But didn't that turn out to be a harmless shack in the part of
Iraq controlled by the Kurdish opposition?

WM: And a British intelligence report...

PN: Didn't that turn out to be copied from an out-of-date graduate
student paper?

WM: And reports of mobile weapons labs...

PN: Weren't those just artistic renderings?

WM: And reports of Iraqis scuttling and hiding evidence from inspectors...

PN: Didnt the chief weapons inspector, Hans Blix, contradict that evidence?

WM: Yes, but there is plenty of other hard evidence that cannot be
revealed because it would compromise our security.

PN: So there is no publicly available evidence of weapons of mass
destruction in Iraq?

WM: The inspectors are not detectives; it's not their JOB to find
evidence. You're missing the point.

PN: So what is the point?

WM: The main point is that we are invading Iraq because resolution
1441 threatened "severe consequences." If we do not act, the Security
Council will become an irrelevant debating society.

PN: So the main point is to uphold the rulings of the Security Council?

WM: Absolutely....unless it rules against us.

PN: And what if it does rule against us?

WM: In that case, we must lead a coalition of the willing to invade Iraq.

PN: Coalition of the willing? Who's that?

WM: Britain, Turkey, Bulgaria, Spain, and Italy, for starters.

PN: I thought Turkey refused to help us unless we gave them tens of
billions of dollars.

WM: Nevertheless, they may now be willing.

PN: I thought public opinion in all those countries was against war.

WM: Current public opinion is irrelevant. The majority expresses its
will by electing leaders to make decisions.

PN: So it's the decisions of leaders elected by the majority that is
important?  So would you say then that we can only trust leaders who
have been democratically elected, no other leaders can be trusted?

WM: Yes - without exception that is right.

WM: I mean, we must support the decisions of our leaders, because
they are acting in our best interest. This is about being a patriot. That's
the bottom line.

PN: So if we do not support the decisions of the president, we are
not patriotic?

WM: I never said that.

PN: So what are you saying?  Why are we invading Iraq?

WM: As I said, because there is a chance that they have weapons of
mass destruction that threaten our allies and us.

PN: But the inspectors have not been able to find any such weapons.

WM: Iraq is obviously hiding them.

PN: You know this?  How?

WM: Because we know they had the weapons ten years ago, and they are
still unaccounted for.

PN: The weapons we sold them, you mean?

WM: Precisely.

PN: But I thought our weapons experts testified to the senate that
those biological and chemical weapons would degrade to an unusable
state over ten years.

WM: But there is a chance that some have not degraded.

PN: So as long as there is even a small chance that such weapons
exist, we must invade any country that may have them?

WM: Exactly.

PN: But North Korea actually has large amounts of usable chemical,
biological, AND nuclear weapons, AND long range missiles that can
reach the West Coast AND it has expelled nuclear weapons inspectors,
AND threatened to turn America into a sea of fire.

WM: That's a diplomatic issue.

PN: So why are we invading Iraq instead of using diplomacy?

WM: Aren't you listening? We are invading Iraq because we cannot
allow the inspections to drag on indefinitely. Iraq has been
delaying, deceiving, and denying for over ten years, and inspections
cost us tens of millions.

PN: But I thought war would cost us tens of BILLIONS.

WM: Yes, but this is not about money. This is about security.

PN: But wouldn't a pre-emptive war against Iraq ignite radical
Muslim sentiments against us, and decrease our security?

WM: Possibly, but we must not allow the terrorists to change the way
we live. Once we do that, the terrorists have already won.

PN: So what is the purpose of the Department of Homeland Security,
color-coded terror alerts, and the Patriot Act? Don't these change
the way we live?

WM: I thought you had questions about Iraq.

PN: I do. Why are we invading Iraq?

WM: For the last time, we are invading Iraq because the world has
called on Saddam Hussein to disarm, and he has failed to do so. He
must now face the consequences.

PN: So, likewise, if the world called on us to do something, such as
find a peaceful solution, we would have an obligation to listen?

WM: By "world", I meant the United Nations.

PN: So, we have an obligation to listen to the United Nations?

WM: By "United Nations" I meant the Security Council.

PN: So, we have an obligation to listen to the Security Council?

WM: I meant the majority of the Security Council.

PN: So, we have an obligation to listen to the majority of the
Security Council?

WM: Well... there could be an unreasonable veto.

PN: In which case?

WM: In which case, we have an obligation to ignore the veto.

PN: And if the majority of the Security Council does not support us at all?

WM: Then we have an obligation to ignore the Security Council.

PN: That makes no sense.

WM: If you love Iraq so much, you should move there. Or maybe
France, with the all the other cheese-eating surrender monkeys. It's
time to boycott their wine and cheese, no doubt about that.

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mem:
> The rodeo? Then maybe you bloody well are uncivilized.

Maybe it's Rodeo du Soleil.

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> Will do after I get done traveling... no time for web search right now.

Oh, fer krissakes.  I can do a web search.

Never mind.

jeeeeeez.

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02003-03-31 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Theo, what is going on? You quoted Natalie's words, not Betty's.
> Furthermore, Natalie is on record, since months ago, as being against
> the war. She has posted about attending at least two peace/anti-war
> events. You must know by now how she feels about it.
>
> I am the one who called you stupid (about the war thing), and I think
> you are, because you keep lashing out at the Wordslers about being
> pro-war, or implying that you are the only one against it, when this is
> not at all true. If you recall, I even sent you a private e-mail a
> couple of weeks ago on the subject.
>
> Why don't you read what people actually say, analyze it, and then say
> what you have to say, if anything.

Come on ... it's a little light-hearted humor. Why don't you just
enjoy it?

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02003-03-30 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
>
> I think Theo's not stupid.

She thought Adam sent you mail specifically asking you to leave
the list some time ago. Is that true? The entire question of
stupidity hangs on the answer to this question--please respond.

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02003-03-30 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, March 30, 2003, 9:46:57 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:
> > In a message dated 3/30/2003 7:32:25 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
> > << Exactly who are you saying this to?  You quoted me above, but if you're
> > addressing these comments to me, then you are indeed quite stupid.
> >  >>
>
> > Well, excuse me all to hell. I meant it was Rita saying it, not you. I was
> > quoting YOUR post though. If you can't understand that, well ...... But I'm
> > not in the habit of calling people ugly names.
>
> You put Betty's name above Natalie's words. That's pretty ugly.

I think "Betty" is not an ugly name.

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02003-03-30 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> Even uglier, Theo said to Natalie "I told you that you would be sorry for
> starting this war" totally ignoring that Natalie is and always has been
> utterly opposed to this war.  She was sorry long before it started.

Wrong. Everyone knows Natalie started it.

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Betty wrote:

> Did I get the correct month at least?

I wonder where might be the beginning of this discussion, but  the
beginning of my calendar distributed here in this service some years ago
reads:

"Perpetual Meeber Birthdays
Ann Borkin 1937
Judith Schrier Aquarius
Michael Macmillan Sometime January"

[???]

And only after that neatly listed birthdays follow.

So let me here utter a wish for most perpetual happy returns for these
three people.

:)

Kristin

Kristin

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02003-03-31 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Yes.  That is a large part of what I found amazingly stupid in her
> posting.  My reaction wasn't just about me, though she had in fact
> quoted me.  I asked for whom her comments were intended because I
> thought maybe she was addressing them to the one or two Wordslers not
> against the war, although I don't think even they exactly needed to be
> warned that war wasn't fun.

Excuse me all to pieces,

You were the only one with access to the "go" button, and the
war sure seems to have started. We aren't stupid you know. Do
all Americans lie like you?

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Confusion isn't the same as stupidity, actually.
Even consistent confusion.
For instance, a person may be on medication that is causing
- err, what was I saying?
clo

Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-30 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> >
> > I think Theo's not stupid.
>
> She thought Adam sent you mail specifically asking you to leave
> the list some time ago. Is that true? The entire question of
> stupidity hangs on the answer to this question--please respond.

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02003-03-30 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 3/30/2003 7:42:53 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
> << No, I'm calling Natalie mutant. You are the only truly stupid
> person on words-l.  You provide confirmation almost daily. >>
>
>
> You are sooooo kind, Rita. Could you give me an example? I'd leave the list,
> but only if most of the others agreed. OK? I realize that one cannot please
> EVERYBODY <ALL> the time, but I'm sorry, this is the best I can do for now.

Don't leave. You are the one sane voice on this insane list. If
they can't hear an alternative and reasoned point of view, maybe
they should leave.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-31 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Yes.  That is a large part of what I found amazingly stupid in her
> > posting.  My reaction wasn't just about me, though she had in fact
> > quoted me.  I asked for whom her comments were intended because I
> > thought maybe she was addressing them to the one or two Wordslers not
> > against the war, although I don't think even they exactly needed to be
> > warned that war wasn't fun.
>
> Excuse me all to pieces,
>
> You were the only one with access to the "go" button, and the
> war sure seems to have started. We aren't stupid you know. Do
> all Americans lie like you?

I know I do.
clo

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02003-03-31 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> They must be becoming popular---most of the cooking-equipment catalogs now
> offer little panini grills.  It's amazing how rapdily the technology arises
> to support a food "discovery."  Makes one wonder how the Italians got along
> all those years...

What do you mean, how? By eating CRAP as usual ...

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On 31 Mar 2003 at 22:36, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Michael Macmillan Sometime January"

Which just goes to prove that Americans lie.

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At 01:46 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-03-31 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > They must be becoming popular---most of the cooking-equipment catalogs now
> > offer little panini grills.  It's amazing how rapdily the technology arises
> > to support a food "discovery."  Makes one wonder how the Italians got along
> > all those years...
>
>What do you mean, how? By eating CRAP as usual ...

Tushar, you really <must> go back on your medication.

cwv

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02003-03-31 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >> Makes one wonder how the Italians got along all those years...
> >
> >What do you mean, how? By eating CRAP as usual ...
>
> Tushar, you really <must> go back on your medication.

Hm, the universal retort still works after all these years!

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02003-03-31 | Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > No, I'm calling Natalie mutant. You are the only truly stupid person
> > on words-l.
>
> If only .....
>
> >You provide confirmation almost daily.
>
> As do you -- far more often. That particular club is not as nearly as
> exclusive as, say, a faux yacht club.
>
> Please tell us more about the celibate Quakers!

Thanks for bringing some diversity to the group. It was getting
awful monotonous in here.

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02003-03-31 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Since Rita told me that I'm "not helping" by calling Theo's recent
> war comments stupid,

Wrong. She was referring to your asking her to stay. Which makes
you meta-stupid, STOOPID!

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02003-03-31 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Confusion isn't the same as stupidity, actually.
> Even consistent confusion.
> For instance, a person may be on medication that is causing
> - err, what was I saying?

You were telling us how stupid you were. It's OK, we know already.

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02003-03-31 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-31 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > > Yes.  That is a large part of what I found amazingly stupid in her
> > > posting.  My reaction wasn't just about me, though she had in fact
> > > quoted me.  I asked for whom her comments were intended because I
> > > thought maybe she was addressing them to the one or two Wordslers not
> > > against the war, although I don't think even they exactly needed to be
> > > warned that war wasn't fun.
> >
> > Excuse me all to pieces,
> >
> > You were the only one with access to the "go" button, and the
> > war sure seems to have started. We aren't stupid you know. Do
> > all Americans lie like you?
>
> I know I do.

Oops--I meant to say lie WITH you. And BTW that had nothing to do
with the rest of the post.

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02003-03-30 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, March 30, 2003, 5:10:57 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> > Perhaps I don't have a sufficient appreciation/need of seafood---
>
> Au contraire--that's why you don't want to eat krab.

Thanks for clearing that up.

> > but before I would eat imitation crab or lobster, I would
> > settle for peanut butter sandwiches.
>
> I *like* peanut butter.

So you would settle for them too. Excellent!

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02003-03-31 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> Very interesting article about how the pre-war simulations differed
> from what's actually happening.
>
> BrP
>
> http://slate.msn.com/id/2080814/

Hey, could you not follow up to existing threads when starting new ones?
I was really kind of getting into the thread "stupid" (because of it's
cool title, of course) and suddenly I run into this boring thread, what's
up?

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02003-03-30 | "no straight, chaser" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> alec:
> > Immaculate conception?
>
> That's not what you mean.  You mean
> "virgin birth".

Isn't the Immaculate Conception also a "virgin birth"?

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no straight, chaser:
= mem:
= > The rodeo? Then maybe you bloody well are uncivilized.
=
= Maybe it's Rodeo du Soleil.
=

Oooooh.  I like that.

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02003-03-31 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> On 31 Mar 2003 at 7:56, Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > How much difference can there be between an architectural genius wank and
> > an obscurantist cinema theorist?  I say close enough!
>
> A valid point.

Don't give up, war3zmaster, we all appreciate how you have
handled this business so far ...

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On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> What do you mean, how? By eating CRAP as usual ...

 CRAP is good but KRAP is really horrible, it can really bifurcate your
system.

Ann

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> Isn't the Immaculate Conception also a "virgin birth"?

Well, now that you mention it, I suppose
all females are born virgins, yes.

I was just trying to straighten out the
(steady now) misconception (HAH!) that
the Immaculate Conception is the way
Jesus came to be.

ObBethany: That's commemorated by the
Annunciation, on March 25th.

The Immaculate Conception of Mary is
commemorated on December 8th.



--
Richard       lace 'em up Gordie, you're going in

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02003-03-30 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> BF Clark wrote:
>
> >At 06:10 PM 3/30/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >>Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >>
> >>>Rita Chapman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>These are much cuter than anything for sale.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Actually there are a bunch of similar houses for sale in a location I
> >>>don't much like.  They're called "Charleston Style" and are cute, imho,
> >>>though not everybody thinks so.  I don't think a real-estate company has
> >>>them listed.  I think they're sold by the builder.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>       New houses are rarely charming.  I think charm comes with age.
> >
> >Thank you.
>
>
> ;)

:)))))))))))

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 2:40:17 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
> On Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 18:55, bonniev wrote:

>> Has anyone seen Lucy the giant elephant statue south of Atlantic City?   I
>> never even heard of her until she was mentioned in this Doris Grumbach book
>> I'm reading.   Of course, she has a web page.

> There was a little article on her in Fine Homebuilding a few years
> ago. What the hell is tern metal anyway? IMFTATL.

http://www.thesupplybunker.net/Morrow/mpemershel.txt

et al.


ET #3

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On Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 18:55, bonniev wrote:

> Has anyone seen Lucy the giant elephant statue south of Atlantic City?   I
> never even heard of her until she was mentioned in this Doris Grumbach book
> I'm reading.   Of course, she has a web page.

There was a little article on her in Fine Homebuilding a few years
ago. What the hell is tern metal anyway? IMFTATL.

Tony H.

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-03-30 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
= > In a message dated 3/30/2003 7:42:53 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
= > << No, I'm calling Natalie mutant. You are the only truly stupid
= > person on words-l.  You provide confirmation almost daily. >>
= >
= >
= > You are sooooo kind, Rita. Could you give me an example? I'd leave the list,
= > but only if most of the others agreed. OK? I realize that one cannot please
= > EVERYBODY <ALL> the time, but I'm sorry, this is the best I can do for now.
=
= Don't leave. You are the one sane voice on this insane list. If
= they can't hear an alternative and reasoned point of view, maybe
= they should leave.

Oh yeah, that's it.  *We'll* all leave.  Un-hunh.

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-03-30 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
= >
= > I think Theo's not stupid.
=
= She thought Adam sent you mail specifically asking you to leave
= the list some time ago. Is that true? The entire question of
= stupidity hangs on the answer to this question--please respond.

Tushar, get off the list.  Go.  Be gone.  Weg wezen.

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02003-03-31 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> fallout. clo

You are only embarrassing yourself. This is neither the time nor
the place for literature, poetry month, earth month and the rest
of that crap.

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:41:28 -0500
> From: hotnews@SYR.EDU
> Subject: CAMPUS HOT NEWS: Writer Carlos Fuentes Cancels April 14
>       University Lecture
> To: HOTNEWS@listserv.syr.edu
>
> Mexican novelist Carlos Fuentes has cancelled his April 14
> engagement to appear as a University Lecturer. The University
> Lectures engagement is one of a number of U.S. appearances
> cancelled by Mr. Fuentes in protest against U.S. actions in Iraq.
>
> Fuentes, regarded as one of Latin America's most distinguished
> literary figures, was to have lectured on the subject of "The
> Creative Spirit as a Force of Humanism." While respecting his
> decision to withdraw from this program, the University regrets
> not being able to bring the voice of Carlos Fuentes and his
> perspective on contemporary society to our students and faculty,
> particularly in this time of international crisis.

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That was very good, Rashmi, albeit not that funny.   Now I know that it's
not supposed to make sense.


>Origin unknown.... (should appeal to yabutters-you know who you are)
>
>==========================================
>
>The White House Explains War Against Iraq to Someone Who Doesn't Understand.
>

    --bonniev

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In a message dated 03/31/2003 1:35:37 PM Central Standard Time,
scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<<

She thought Adam sent you mail specifically asking you to leave
the list some time ago. Is that true? The entire question of
stupidity hangs on the answer to this question--please respond.

>>

I don't know; ask her.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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> > There was a little article on her in Fine Homebuilding a few years
> > ago. What the hell is tern metal anyway? IMFTATL.
>
>http://www.thesupplybunker.net/Morrow/mpemershel.txt
>
>et al.
>ET #3

Why not just quote the one applicable line:  "common tern-metal (sometimes
known as a "tin-metal") roof" ?



    --bonniev

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        Welcome back, Amy!  We've missed you.

Amy Burns Short wrote:

>   >      No, I'm calling Natalie mutant. You are the only truly stupid
> person on words-l.
>
> If only .....
>
>
>>You provide confirmation almost daily.
>>
>
> As do you -- far more often. That particular club is not as nearly as
> exclusive as, say, a faux yacht club.
>
> Please tell us more about the celibate Quakers!
>
> AS
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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http://www.geddys.com/harborcam.html

Except for clo and paul, check out our pretty snow.   We had flurries all
day long after a nice wet three inches fell this morning.

    --bonniev

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-31 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
>
>>Since Rita told me that I'm "not helping" by calling Theo's recent
>>war comments stupid,
>>
>
> Wrong. She was referring to your asking her to stay. Which makes
> you meta-stupid, STOOPID!
>

        Out!  Both of you!




--
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Karen Kay writes,

>http://www.thesupplybunker.net/Morrow/mpemershel.txt

Terne, "an alloy of lead and tin typically in a ratio of four to one that
is used as a coating in producing terneplate" and terneplate, "probably
from French terne 'dull' (from Middle French, from 'ternir' to tarnish)." (m-w)

I was lucky to find the "tern" misspelling here, which led me to the
correct spelling: "For those who ask about the difference of a terne plate
from a tin plate, the tern plate possesses a duller, more matted
appearance." <http://www.roofmenders.com/>

Terne is used as a hot dip coating: "Hot Dip Coatings. Coating of steel
with lead-tin alloys produces a material called tern plate. It is easily
formed and easily soldered and is used as a roofing and weather sealing
material and in construction of automotive gasoline tanks, signs, radiator
header tanks, brackets, chassis and covers for electronic equipment and
sheathing for cable and pipe.  Hot dip tin coatings are used on wire for
component leads as well as food handling and processing equipment."
<http://www.key-to-metals.com/ViewArticle.asp?ID=26>

Pete

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These long deployments really do wreak havoc with the
families.  We have several friends in this position, and
jobs are a big problem.  They do have one when they come
back, but often they've been shoved to the bottom of the
heap when it comes to titles, promotions, etc.    Our priest
just missed being deployed due to retirement.  Last time he
was gone for seven months.  We made up his pay and paid the
interim priest, but it was a big strain on the church's
budget since we skate pretty close to the line of viability
-- especially with several members out of work right now.

Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Will do after I get done traveling... no time for web search right now.
> It was a while ago, after all - but I vividly remember the scandal,
> and the acknowledgement that it was a widespread recruiting
> practice.
>
> clo
>
> "no straight, chaser" wrote:
>
>
>>>Remember in the first Bush's first Gulf War, many of the recruiters had
>>>systematically been assuring the people they signed up that they would
>>>never fight
>>>
>>I remember some reservists and guardsmen objecting
>>to being a called up, but I don't remember anything
>>about this "systematic assurance" thing you speak of.
>>
>>Can you direct me to source?
>>
>>The advertising always has suggested little more than
>>a really cool camping trip, but the actual recruiting?
>>
>>--
>>Richard       lace 'em up Gordie, you're going in
>>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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I love this word!  Hippophagie.

One of my students brought me back a souvenier from Sacre
Couer -- I'm soooo gelous of her spring break.

--

FIGHT AGAINST HIPPOPHAGIE.



NO ! DON'T EAT HORSE !



Obtain a free sticker while writing with :

AEC 85, rue de Cassel 59000 LILLE  FRANCE



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Friendships.


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"U.S. soldiers fire into van carrying 13 women and children after it fails
to stop at checkpoint, Central Command says. Seven killed, two wounded."

http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/news_release.asp?NewsRelease=200303107.txt

Pete

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> I guess National
> Geographic has fired him as well.

That's what I heard at lunch today.  This may work -- getting my news on
Words-L and at lunch.  (I did cheat on my plan and glance at today's
Clarion-Ledger, though, and am glad I did since there were a bunch of
very sensible Letters to the Editor.)

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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lisa alfieri wrote:

> I thought companies had to do this along with promise that the job be there
> when the soldier returns.

I started to say that but then realized that I really wasn't sure about
paying them while they're gone, just about keeping the job open for
them.  I know that universities (or at least some) do everything
possible to help, including of course refunding the full tuition for the
semester they have to leave.

> I read an article about a property management company who makes a good deal
> of money but doesn't have a lot of employees. Two of their employees were
> called up. The company is paying the differential pay and offering some
> kind of insurance coverage. They're also going to hire at least one person
> on a temporary basis. For this particular company it's not so bad because
> their revenues are high enough. It's a burden for a lot of smaller companies.

I would think it might be totally impossible in some cases -- that with
all the wishes in the world to do so, a small business might be faced
with a choice of bankruptcy or not doing it.

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 4:51:27 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> I had to use the ice scraped on my car this morning. I was not pleased.

How did you use it?

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The only talking head I listened to on TV was some retired UN inspector.
He was asked what he thought about the thought being expressed that the
armed forces would have felt a lot better if there was a clear link shown
between Saddam and 9-11. His answer: when he heard of the Pentagon attacked,
even Bill Clinton said this was probably the work of Osama bin Laden. I
thought, huh? But maybe it will become clear in the next few sentences.
It didn't--he went blithering on without ever coming close to the question
and was still blithering when I switched the TV off. I haven't switched
it on since.

Except to watch "The Honeymooners"

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 4:16:32 PM, bonniev wrote:
> Except for clo and paul, check out our pretty snow.   We had flurries all
> day long after a nice wet three inches fell this morning.

Primroses and blue flax are blooming in my yard.

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 4:35:45 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> "U.S. soldiers fire into van carrying 13 women and children after it fails
> to stop at checkpoint, Central Command says. Seven killed, two wounded."

Ugh, but faced with suicide bombers, I'd've done the same thing.
This is why war sucks.

I heard a story today about Iraqis giving American soldiers the
thumbs up sign... And Americans thinking it meant 'good going!'.

Sigh.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> This list is getting too picky.

I've noticed that the pickiness seems to go in waves.  I was laughing
when reading yesterday(?) something I had written about somebody
"halling" something away.  I was fully expecting a chastisement, but
nobody mentioned it.  Not mentioning it seems <logical>, of course,
since that's the kind of e-o I often make.  But I still thought somebody
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Monday, March 31, 2003, 4:16:32 PM, bonniev wrote:
>
>>Except for clo and paul, check out our pretty snow.   We had flurries all
>>day long after a nice wet three inches fell this morning.
>>
>
> Primroses and blue flax are blooming in my yard.
>


        The tulip tree outside my classroom window is *stunning*
right now.




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Karen Kay writes,

>Ugh, but faced with suicide bombers, I'd've done the same thing.

My first thought.

My second thought was "the tires! the tires!"  Although I admit that
armchair self-defense bears little if any relationship to the real thing.

>This is why war sucks.

Yep.

>I heard a story today about Iraqis giving American soldiers the
>thumbs up sign... And Americans thinking it meant 'good going!'.

<http://slate.msn.com/id/2080812/>:

"But it's also possible that they understand the Western meaning of
upturned thumbs, an explanation that the Army's Defense Language Institute
subscribes to. According to a recent DLI manual on international gestures,
after the first Gulf War 'Middle Easterners of the Arabian Peninsula
adopted this hand movement, along with the OK sign, as a symbol of
cooperation toward freedom.' Iraqi civilians may have noted this shifting
meaning, perhaps via TV reports."

Pete

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Furthermore, Natalie is on record, since months ago, as being against
> the war. She has posted about attending at least two peace/anti-war
> events.

Four, so far.  The next one is scheduled for April 12, but I'm going to
have to miss it because that's the only time that fits my RRSIL's busy
schedule for me to go to Hville and go through some boxes of my mother's
stuff that they are going to throw away if I don't get -- things like
pictures, theater scrapbooks, etc. etc.  I am appalled that they would
just throw them away.  These are boxes that they ended up with because
they were hauled (as opposed to halled) away by the fire-cleaners after
the fire in her house and then my RRB&SIL had no idea where they were
later since they'd told one of their servants to deal with them.
Anyway, I'm going to Hville weekend after next to get as much of the
stuff as I can manage to cram into my car.  I don't know why exactly
since it will probably just get thrown away when I die.  But maybe some
archive or something would care about some of it.  It includes things
like newspaper clippings of lots of plays, my mother with Eudora Welty
in a play EW had written for the Jackson Little Theatre, etc. etc.

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 4:57:04 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> So far I haven't seen anything that says they have to make up the
> difference in pay.

Because they don't.

> The few things I read indicated that there are companies
> who try to help out in this area.

Some.

ET #3

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At 05:16 PM 3/31/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>http://www.geddys.com/harborcam.html
>
>Except for clo and paul, check out our pretty snow.   We had flurries all
>day long after a nice wet three inches fell this morning.
>
>    --bonniev

I had to use the ice scraped on my car this morning. I was not pleased.

lisa

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At 04:49 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > I thought companies had to do this along with promise that the job be there
> > when the soldier returns.
>
>I started to say that but then realized that I really wasn't sure about
>paying them while they're gone, just about keeping the job open for
>them.  I know that universities (or at least some) do everything
>possible to help, including of course refunding the full tuition for the
>semester they have to leave.

I did a little more research and found that as far as insurance goes the
company had to keep it active for the first 30 days. After that they are no
longer obligated and the soldier and his/her family can then switch to the
insurance the military provides or pay for COBRA. This can be a pain
because not all doctors take military insurance and there are issues that
crop up with pre-existing conditions and such.

So far I haven't seen anything that says they have to make up the
difference in pay. The few things I read indicated that there are companies
who try to help out in this area.

lisa

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02003-03-31 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 03/31/2003 1:35:37 PM Central Standard Time,
> scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> <<
>
> She thought Adam sent you mail specifically asking you to leave
> the list some time ago. Is that true? The entire question of
> stupidity hangs on the answer to this question--please respond.
>
> >>
>
> I don't know; ask her.

Theo?

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alyce cresap wrote:
> > Well, excuse me all to hell. I meant it was Rita saying it, not you.
>
> No, Theo. You are wrong again. It was not Rita saying it. It was
> Natalie's post, but you attributed it to Betty, not Rita.

In Theo's defense here, I will say that I think she meant by "Rita
saying it" that it was Rita who had called her stupid.  That was true.
(Bonnie no doubt thinks I'm the one who first called Theo stupid, but
that is not the case.  It was indeed non-inflammatory Rita.  I didn't
come right out and <call a spade a spade> until later.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-03-30 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> <<
> Given time, you will optimize it to one motion.
> >>
>
> Print sticker
> Put sheet of paper on top of meat or cheese
> Open bag
> Stuff meat or cheese in bag
> Shut bag
> Fold over top and put sticker on
> Hand bag to customer with thanks and a smile

Cutting the smile out would be a good first step ... "pre-opening"
a few bags in advance wouldbe another ... folding over while running
your palm across would shut the bag, probably, but I don't know if
it gets enough of a backing for it to close at that point.

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 4:57:07 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Karen Kay writes,
>>Ugh, but faced with suicide bombers, I'd've done the same thing.

> My first thought.

> My second thought was "the tires! the tires!"  Although I admit that
> armchair self-defense bears little if any relationship to the real thing.

I don't think I'd risk shooting out the tires being enough. After
all, the one that killed 4 Americans was stopped.

>>I heard a story today about Iraqis giving American soldiers the
>>thumbs up sign... And Americans thinking it meant 'good going!'.

> <http://slate.msn.com/id/2080812/>:

> "But it's also possible that they understand the Western meaning of
> upturned thumbs, an explanation that the Army's Defense Language Institute
> subscribes to. According to a recent DLI manual on international gestures,
> after the first Gulf War 'Middle Easterners of the Arabian Peninsula
> adopted this hand movement, along with the OK sign, as a symbol of
> cooperation toward freedom.' Iraqi civilians may have noted this shifting
> meaning, perhaps via TV reports."

Hm.

Dubious ET #3

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 5:04:03 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Cutting the smile out would be a good first step ... "pre-opening"
> a few bags in advance wouldbe another ... folding over while running
> your palm across would shut the bag, probably, but I don't know if
> it gets enough of a backing for it to close at that point.

Pushing with your palm can hurt your ulnar nerve. (Bicylists have
this problem.)

Karen

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The tick was sent in to see if it was infected.
> BF Clark wrote:
> >
> > A ring around the outside of the red site.  Takes several days to
> > appear.  Ends up looking like a bull's eye.
> >
> But you can have Lyme without the bull's eye. Columbia County, NY, is
> the official capital of Lyme Disease. We are all pretty much experts by
> now. A blood test for Lyme is $77.00.
>
> alyce
> > Betty
>
>
> --
> alyce cresap, books & ephemera
> po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
> 518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
> http://www.alybooks.com
> charter member: IOBA
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> selling books since 1963

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02003-03-31 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 10:43 AM 3/31/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >> a young woman on TV complaining bitterly about the
> >> fact that she was called up for duty.  I think people who
> >> sign up for the Reserves for the income it gives them or
> >> for the education, do so with the understanding that they
> >> can be called.  I don't know why they gave her air time.
>
> I think it likely that those who join the Reserves expect to be called
> if this country is in danger; what might not occur to some of them is
> that they are subject to be called for whatever adventure the Commander
> in Chief dreams up.

Wrong. The correct answer is, why not give her air time? You
should show the illogical side too--people who sign up and
then complain.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> I think it likely that those who join the Reserves expect to be called if
> this country is in danger; what might not occur to some of them is that
> they are subject to be called for whatever adventure the Commander in Chief
> dreams up.

Good point.

Somebody at lunch today (I think it was the person we kid about being
our token Republican, though he calls himself an Independent -- we don't
register by party in Mississippi, btw, so one is not <officially>
anything), was saying how he couldn't understand these
people-on-the-street saying things like "we're fighting for our
freedom."  Somebody else said, "And that's what Bush et al have tried to
convince the troops of -- that we're fighting for our freedom.
Freedom?  How does freedom fit into this war?"  Then somebody else said,
"So much of what our administration is saying these days to rally the
masses is precisely the kinds of things Hitler said to rally the
masses."  (She's Jewish and thus would be personally even more attuned
to Hitlerisms than other people might be.)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Yep. My housemate and I were talking about this Thursday.

How's your housemate's marriage?  Any more sudden weekend show-ups?

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In a message dated 03/31/2003 5:04:31 PM Central Standard Time,
scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<<
"pre-opening"
a few bags in advance wouldbe another
>>

can't pre-open them unless i want to take them off the package
first.  then, we'd have bags all over the place.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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Monday, March 31, 2003, 5:14:23 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Yep. My housemate and I were talking about this Thursday.

> How's your housemate's marriage?  Any more sudden weekend show-ups?

No. And he was at home all of last week. We finally had a talk
about his sudden showups and my sporadic wearing of clothes when
he's not around. He's been more responsible since then.

ET #3

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> It wasn't the last war.
> >> ET #3
>
> > I said "the last war there."  Maybe I should have
> > said "our last war there" or more properly
> > Gulf War I.
>
> > This list is getting too picky.
>
> It was in 1998, Doris, and it was about the VietNam war. I don't
> think it's excessively picky to claim that Gulf War I is not the
> war in VietNam,

But all you said was "it wasn't the last war."  Doris probably would not
have responded as she did re pickiness if she'd realized what you meant
-- i.e., if you'd been less cryptic.

> but have it your way.

Yes, Theo.

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In a message dated 03/31/2003 5:10:19 PM Central Standard Time,
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<<
Wrong. The correct answer is, why not give her air time? You
should show the illogical side too--people who sign up and
then complain.

>>

Maybe she didn't realize what she was getting into (a la
Private Benjamin).

Evelyn Duncan
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Monday, March 31, 2003, 5:17:18 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> But all you said was "it wasn't the last war."  Doris probably would not
> have responded as she did re pickiness if she'd realized what you meant
> -- i.e., if you'd been less cryptic.

Ah, yes. It's all my fault.

ET #3

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> We could go to the rodeo! It's here till April 5th.

Speaking of Carolyns, are you lurking, Carolyn Wombat?  I wish you'd
check in.

And speaking of rodeos, I'm against them.  Just your
birkenstock-wearing, bleeding-heart peacenik I am.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-03-31 | "no straight, chaser" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> > Isn't the Immaculate Conception also a "virgin birth"?
>
> Well, now that you mention it, I suppose
> all females are born virgins, yes.

I meant that Mary's was also a virgin birth. Didn't something
on those lines become official in the 19th century?

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02003-03-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, March 31, 2003, 5:04:03 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Cutting the smile out would be a good first step ... "pre-opening"
> > a few bags in advance wouldbe another ... folding over while running
> > your palm across would shut the bag, probably, but I don't know if
> > it gets enough of a backing for it to close at that point.
>
> Pushing with your palm can hurt your ulnar nerve. (Bicylists have
> this problem.)

K-R-N,

I am sorry I said push with palm. I meant running the side of the
palm horizontally.

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One of my students showed up with an MS State jersey on
today.  Apparently he was visiting over the break -- they're
recruiting him.

I *adore* this particular student, but he isn't even close
to being college material (intelligent, but doesn't do any
work and thus lacks most skills).  He's a very talented
football player, though.  At least he can read.

When I told him I know a professor at the school, he said
"Ms. Chapman, you hang around with a lot of nerds!"  He
meant it in a loving way, though, I'm sure.


--
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02003-03-31 | STOOPID writes:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > What do you mean, how? By eating CRAP as usual ...
>
>  CRAP is good but KRAP is really horrible, it can really bifurcate your
> system.

Your constant levity is giving me a pain in the cremaster. Out! Weg wezen!

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On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>And speaking of rodeos, I'm against them.  Just your
>birkenstock-wearing, bleeding-heart peacenik I am.

I did not know you cared so much for the health of riders!

Bethany

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-31 | "no straight, chaser" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
>
>>>Isn't the Immaculate Conception also a "virgin birth"?
>>>
>>Well, now that you mention it, I suppose
>>all females are born virgins, yes.
>>
>
> I meant that Mary's was also a virgin birth. Didn't something
> on those lines become official in the 19th century?
>

        Yes.  I can't remember the exact name of the apocryphal text
I read that explained the whole Mary thing -- I Infancy?
But she's supposed to be an immaculate conception, lived in
the temple, and they didn't know what they were going to do
about kicking her out of the temple when she started
bleeding in that unclean womanly way when God saved them
from this dilemna by impregnating her.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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02003-03-31 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> When I told him I know a professor at the school, he said
> "Ms. Chapman, you hang around with a lot of nerds!"  He
> meant it in a loving way, though, I'm sure.

You make some interesting points, Ms Chapman. This helped me
put into words something which has been irritating me for a
while. Basically, it's people just assuming that work is a
bitch. At first, I used to take this as a running joke--you
know, like the way *ld f*rts always have jokes going about
their mother-in-laws, regardless of the real situation. But
it's NOT a joke. And I am beginning to get kind of irritated,
with every freaking person I talk to implying that I don't
like programming. They see me carrying a laptop case on a
Saturday and make an I'm-so-sorry-for-you face, they see me
coming in at midnight after a pretty enjoyable hack session
and they make some stupid critical remark about my boss, and
so on and so forth, and what I am driving at is that they are
doing this to be NICE to me, which means they must have a sad
damn life, going to work everyday wishing they were some place
else.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > You put Betty's name above Natalie's words. That's pretty ugly.
>
> I think "Betty" is not an ugly name.

I like Betty much better than Natalie.  I wish my parents had gone with
the thought of naming me Susan.  Then again, it's convenient not to have
to sign my last name on lots of things.

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On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>
> And speaking of house and paint and stuff, where's clo?  She has been
> silent the past few days.
>
> --
Sorry about that - I was in Gettysburg at the regional Honors Councils
(NCHC) conference with a group of students. In contrast to Newport, where
the technology didn't work, I was run off my feet from 7 am to 1 am and
never had a minute to bribe my way into the business center.

Came home to spend 1/2 day at work and 1/2 day completing flexible
spending acct receipts at the last minute, then immediately home to the
tax guy - we just finished our income taxes, and guess what? For the first
time in a decade, thanks to my diligent pro bono work, we had a loss and
got a refund!

So I am going out to dinner and then to open mic night, and so back at 2
am for another short night.

I might be in Austin before I am fully caught up w/ all your scintillating
conversation.

btw, I think your house will look nice with red trim, and that the color
is a good shade of gray, if the photos show accurately on my monitor.

clo

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On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, March 30, 2003, 12:21:45 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > I think I did, but it was a small can and seemed to be like Karen's
> > sugar.  So I couldn't experiment with painting.
>
> My sugar is in an airtight container.
>
> > And speaking of house and paint and stuff, where's clo?  She has been
> > silent the past few days.
>
> Maybe she's getting ready to come to visit me next week.
>
> Karen
>
No, but that's going to be my excuse for the rest of the week!
clo

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Excuse me all to pieces,
>
> You were the only one with access to the "go" button, and the
> war sure seems to have started. We aren't stupid you know. Do
> all Americans lie like you?

I knew I would be seen through sooner or later.  Remember when my nephew
went to work in the WH?  That was all part of my plot.  I sent him there
to make the necessary arrangements for me to push the button.

So there.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > You are sooooo kind, Rita. Could you give me an example? I'd leave the list,
> > but only if most of the others agreed. OK? I realize that one cannot please
> > EVERYBODY <ALL> the time, but I'm sorry, this is the best I can do for now.
>
> Don't leave. You are the one sane voice on this insane list. If
> they can't hear an alternative and reasoned point of view, maybe
> they should leave.

Hear, hear!

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Since Rita told me that I'm "not helping" by calling Theo's recent
> > war comments stupid,
>
> Wrong. She was referring to your asking her to stay. Which makes
> you meta-stupid, STOOPID!

What can I say?  I'm just an iggurant merkan.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > >>       New houses are rarely charming.  I think charm comes with age.
> > >
> > >Thank you.
> >
> >
> > ;)
>
> :)))))))))))

And this reminds me that as I was on my way home today, I was thinking
about the house I was driving by around the corner from me that I love
and that is a newish house (built two or three years ago -- new houses
are rare in this neighborhood, but somebody sold a house that included a
huge backyard that turned into another lot).  The garage is totally
hidden behind the house.  The house itself is a pink two-story house
with a tin roof.

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From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> > Doris, re The Others:
> > > It's not a bad movie, but depends upon what
> > > you like.
> >
> > I liked it a lot. But I like that kind of thing.
>
> How old is it?

2001.

By the way, Natalie, have you seen Sixth Sense? Minority Report? I recommend both.

Marie

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02003-03-31 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > Since Rita told me that I'm "not helping" by calling Theo's recent
> > > war comments stupid,
> >
> > Wrong. She was referring to your asking her to stay. Which makes
> > you meta-stupid, STOOPID!
>
> What can I say?  I'm just an iggurant merkan.

You are excused

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Karen:
>Pushing with your palm can hurt your ulnar nerve.
>(Bicylists have this problem.)

They gotta get the right gear.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > Immaculate conception?
> >
> > That's not what you mean.  You mean
> > "virgin birth".
>
> Isn't the Immaculate Conception also a "virgin birth"?

That's what I thought it meant, but I'm just an iggurant merkin, so
excuse me all to pieces.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Ugh, but faced with suicide bombers, I'd've done the same thing.
> This is why war sucks.

Somebody at lunch today (our "token Republican" in fact) was talking
about how strange he found it that the US media report Iraqi fighting as
<bad> when they are the ones being attacked.  As he said, wouldn't we
fight back if our country was attacked?  As for how, well, all's fair in
love and war.  If somebody attacks your country, you will try to defend
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Tushar:
> I meant that Mary's was also a virgin birth.

The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is that
Mary was conceived without sin.

It says nothing about the biological details.  One
can assume that Sts. Anne and Joachim bumped uglies,
knocked boots, wang-danged -- that is to say -- made
the Saint with Two Backs.

>Didn't something on those lines become official in the 19th century?

It became a formal doctrine of the RCC in 1854.

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I took a day off from the war today.

There was no school because of a teacher's
conference or something, so I invited two
great grandchldren to spend the day with me.

We spent most of the day in sewing lessons.
Kayla (8) pieced together a pillowtop, basting
first and then stitching on the machine (which
I taught her last year when she
entered a sewing project for the 4-H fair)

Justin (11) learned how to use the sewing
machine, and he cut out and machine sewed a
new cover for his camp canteen, an envelope
style with snaps and a sturdy shoulder strap.
I had him do some rather advanced lining
and stuff, and he caught on so quickly.  He
is going to enter a sewing project this summer
in the 4-H fair, along with his horses and
some other things, and Kayla
is doing horses and cats this summer.

I asked them if they talk about the war at school,
and they said it is not discussed at all.  I asked
if they understood what is going on and they
said they thought so, and I said nothing more
but kept it a wonderful day, with nice music,
a good lunch, cokes, a brief shopping trip for
more supplies, and "never was heard a discouraging
word. . . and the skies were not cloudy all day."

As always, we see the upcoming generation as our hope.

               - D. M.

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We can thank the rich new vein of rhetoric we have been fortunate
to strike, for stories like this. Excerpts from the Tribune article:

> Saying he acted out of concern for public safety and desire to
> spare citizens "months and maybe years" of contentious debate,
> Mayor Richard Daley today defended his decision to close Meigs
> Field and have its runway torn up in the dark of night.
>
> [...] Daley, who has long sought to close Meigs and replace it
> with a park and nature preserve, said the city had received no
> specific threat about a possible terrorist attack involving a
> private aircraft.
>
> [...] About 11 p.m. Sunday, several backhoes, large trucks
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> at the airport and started working on the north-to-south
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>
> [...] Asked why the city took the action without warning,
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> prolonged concerns and anxiety among Chicagoans for months
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02003-03-31 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > > Immaculate conception?
> > >
> > > That's not what you mean.  You mean
> > > "virgin birth".
> >
> > Isn't the Immaculate Conception also a "virgin birth"?
>
> That's what I thought it meant, but I'm just an iggurant merkin, so
> excuse me all to pieces.

Yeah, but you are well-known to be stupid. What about me?

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Rita:
>Yes.  I can't remember the exact name of the apocryphal text
>I read that explained the whole Mary thing -- I Infancy?

The _Protoevangelium of James_?

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no straight, chaser wrote:

> Rita:
>
>>Yes.  I can't remember the exact name of the apocryphal text
>>I read that explained the whole Mary thing -- I Infancy?
>>
>
> The _Protoevangelium of James_?
>


Ha.  I think II Infancy is the one that has the story of
child Jesus not playing well with others.




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02003-03-31 | "no straight, chaser" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
>
> The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is that
> Mary was conceived without sin.

Ah

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> 02003-03-31 | "no straight, chaser" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> >
> > The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is that
> > Mary was conceived without sin.
>
> Ah

So.  What is sin?

     - D. M.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > How's your housemate's marriage?  Any more sudden weekend show-ups?
>
> No. And he was at home all of last week. We finally had a talk
> about his sudden showups and my sporadic wearing of clothes when
> he's not around. He's been more responsible since then.

That's good.

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ... they look so cute having their own little
controversy ...

> "There's no logic," said Steve Whitney of Friends of Meigs Field.
> "They dug Xs into the runway all the way down."
>
> What's more, a number of small planes remained parked at the airfield,
> with no runway now to leave, he said, adding a taxiway might have to
> be used. "From our perspective, this is a pure and simple land grab,"
> he said.

[...]

> The mayor acknowledged there were no specific security threats to Meigs,
> but insisted that closing the airport could someday help prevent a tragedy
> in which a terrorist aboard a small plane might slam into a high rise or
> big crowd downtown.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> The only talking head I listened to on TV was some retired UN inspector.
> He was asked what he thought about the thought being expressed that the
> armed forces would have felt a lot better if there was a clear link shown
> between Saddam and 9-11. His answer: when he heard of the Pentagon attacked,
> even Bill Clinton said this was probably the work of Osama bin Laden. I
> thought, huh? But maybe it will become clear in the next few sentences.
> It didn't--he went blithering on without ever coming close to the question
> and was still blithering when I switched the TV off. I haven't switched
> it on since.

At times I think one thing that bothers me most about this war is the
rampant stupidity (or dare I not use that word?).  The above is perhaps
better described as evasiveness, but it's quite obvious imho that many
people in this country think that Saddam was involved with 9/11.  This
is the kind of thing (though not this particular point) that we were
talking about at lunch today -- about how Dubya and his cronies have
brainwashed much of the public by making these sincere-sounding speeches
about "defending our freedom" and suggesting a link between Iraq and
9/11.  I find it depressing beyond words.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > But all you said was "it wasn't the last war."  Doris probably would not
> > have responded as she did re pickiness if she'd realized what you meant
> > -- i.e., if you'd been less cryptic.
>
> Ah, yes. It's all my fault.

Yep.  I would say that your cryptic reply was the direct cause of
Doris's response.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-31 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>When I told him I know a professor at the school, he said
>>"Ms. Chapman, you hang around with a lot of nerds!"  He
>>meant it in a loving way, though, I'm sure.
>>
>
> You make some interesting points, Ms Chapman. This helped me
> put into words something which has been irritating me for a
> while. Basically, it's people just assuming that work is a
> bitch. At first, I used to take this as a running joke--you
> know, like the way *ld f*rts always have jokes going about
> their mother-in-laws, regardless of the real situation. But
> it's NOT a joke. And I am beginning to get kind of irritated,
> with every freaking person I talk to implying that I don't
> like programming. They see me carrying a laptop case on a
> Saturday and make an I'm-so-sorry-for-you face, they see me
> coming in at midnight after a pretty enjoyable hack session
> and they make some stupid critical remark about my boss, and
> so on and so forth, and what I am driving at is that they are
> doing this to be NICE to me, which means they must have a sad
> damn life, going to work everyday wishing they were some place
> else.


        I agree!



--
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Rita Chapman wrote:

> I *adore* this particular student, but he isn't even close
> to being college material (intelligent, but doesn't do any
> work and thus lacks most skills).  He's a very talented
> football player, though.  At least he can read.

Ah, but "college material" is quite different if you are a good football
(or basketball) player.  I don't know much about how it works now, but I
know that in the past there was a state board law that allowed all the
universities to accept x% (I think it was 5%) of an incoming freshman
class of people who did not have the required ACT score to get in.  Word
was that that was so we could have a football team.

I've probably told before about a funny moment I witnessed back in the
olden days when registration wasn't done on computers and phones but
involved students walking around to tables in the Coliseum and picking
up computer cards and taking them to the giant computer in the middle of
the room.  (Those days were kind of fun.)  Anyway, I was working at the
English table with a friend, who asked a student (pretty clearly a new
football player) what his ACT score was so that she'd know which
freshman comp course he should be in.  He muttered something like "8."
She replied, "No, son, I was asking for your ACT score, not your birth
weight."  I wonder why he was speaking for himself, though.  I remember
that most football players were led around by <guides>.  I remember
saying to one of the <guides> one day, "Can he talk?"  The football
player gave a sort of "ummm" sound.

Anyway, the point is that if he can read, there's great potential for
him.  And if he doesn't care about graduating, there are lots of great
courses he can take in the PE Dept.

> When I told him I know a professor at the school, he said
> "Ms. Chapman, you hang around with a lot of nerds!"  He
> meant it in a loving way, though, I'm sure.

:-)

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> are again important items in my mind. For some that might be natural
because we are coming close to Easter, for some there are more recent
matters which may involve friends and/or relatives. For me it is
simething else: it is now four years since ggs died. I remember taking a
long walk in the mountains (or hills) near where I lived in Bergen and
then also thinking about life and death. And then, since I had just seen
Ingjerd (then only a friend) in Oslo a couple of days before, I realized
that she was very important for me, and so life became just as important
as death in my spinning mind. And this is the time of the year where the
change between seasons is very dramatic here. There is still snow, it is
still possible to ski in Oslo but there are also flowers appearing - in
some cases on patches of earth between patches of snow - and the birds
are coming back. In a way this feels like a stronger change than the one
which will come in 4-5 months time when things are slowing down, g
> etting colder and darker. Even if the storms in the autumn may be
stronger, the strong spring breezes feel more powerfull.
>
> Espen

Somehow this makes me think of the movie
Being There, and how Chauncey Gardener's
comments about spring and new growth, etc.
were taken as wise political observations and
were acted upon.

Espen, please go talk spring  wherever it
might possibly count at this <juncture>.

Anyway, I enjoyed it.

             - D. M.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> btw, I think your house will look nice with red trim, and that the color
> is a good shade of gray, if the photos show accurately on my monitor.

Thanks!  I like the idea.  My shade of gray is fine.  No problem there.
And the idea of the red trim struck me the other day as The Way To Go.

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> By the way, Natalie, have you seen Sixth Sense? Minority Report? I recommend both.

"Minority Report" rings no bells.  Wasn't "Sixth Sense" the one about
the little boy with the <interesting> ending?  If so, yes, I've seen it.

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 6:15:37 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> We can thank the rich new vein of rhetoric we have been fortunate
> to strike, for stories like this. Excerpts from the Tribune article:

>> Saying he acted out of concern for public safety and desire to
>> spare citizens "months and maybe years" of contentious debate,
>> Mayor Richard Daley today defended his decision to close Meigs
>> Field and have its runway torn up in the dark of night.

I'm afraid that Richard Daley and John Ashcroft are evil twins.:(

ET #3

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I asked them if they talk about the war at school,
> and they said it is not discussed at all.  I asked
> if they understood what is going on and they
> said they thought so, and I said nothing more
> but kept it a wonderful day, with nice music,
> a good lunch, cokes, a brief shopping trip for
> more supplies, and "never was heard a discouraging
> word. . . and the skies were not cloudy all day."
>
> As always, we see the upcoming generation as our hope.

Sounds like a good day.  And I agree about the future generations as
hope, though I worry a bit about their reply that "they thought so" re
what is going on.  Buying the propaganda?  The Bush Doctrine?

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02003-03-31 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >>They see me carrying a laptop case on a
> >>Saturday and make an I'm-so-sorry-for-you face, they see me
> >>coming in at midnight after a pretty enjoyable hack session
> >>and they make some stupid critical remark about my boss, and
> >>so on and so forth, and what I am driving at is that they are
> >>doing this to be NICE to me, which means they must have a sad
> >>damn life, going to work everyday wishing they were some place
> >>else.     --T Bone
> >
> >
> >       I agree!
> >Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
> I disagree.   Maybe they feel sorry for Tushar because they have a
> wonderful life and love their jobs.  Maybe they have a rich work life
> and a rich home life.   Maybe they don't have to take work home or
> work nights and weekends and they are grateful for that.

Fuxx0rs, how did I end up in Philosophy 101?

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>>They see me carrying a laptop case on a
>>Saturday and make an I'm-so-sorry-for-you face, they see me
>>coming in at midnight after a pretty enjoyable hack session
>>and they make some stupid critical remark about my boss, and
>>so on and so forth, and what I am driving at is that they are
>>doing this to be NICE to me, which means they must have a sad
>>damn life, going to work everyday wishing they were some place
>>else.     --T Bone
>
>
>        I agree!
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

I disagree.   Maybe they feel sorry for Tushar because they have a
wonderful life and love their jobs.  Maybe they have a rich work life and a
rich home life.   Maybe they don't have to take work home or work nights
and weekends and they are grateful for that.


    --bonniev

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 6:51:19 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> > But all you said was "it wasn't the last war."  Doris probably would not
>> > have responded as she did re pickiness if she'd realized what you meant
>> > -- i.e., if you'd been less cryptic.
>>
>> Ah, yes. It's all my fault.

> Yep.  I would say that your cryptic reply was the direct cause of
> Doris's response.

And where does her ignorance about what she was talking about fit
in?

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 5:41:10 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-31 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>> When I told him I know a professor at the school, he said
>> "Ms. Chapman, you hang around with a lot of nerds!"  He
>> meant it in a loving way, though, I'm sure.

> You make some interesting points, Ms Chapman. This helped me
> put into words something which has been irritating me for a
> while. Basically, it's people just assuming that work is a
> bitch.

Two words for you, Tushar: Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi. He writes
books about the psychology of optimal experience, which he calls
'flow'.


> They see me carrying a laptop case on a Saturday and make an
> I'm-so-sorry-for-you face, they see me coming in at midnight
> after a pretty enjoyable hack session and they make some stupid
> critical remark about my boss, and so on and so forth, and what
> I am driving at is that they are doing this to be NICE to me,
> which means they must have a sad damn life, going to work
> everyday wishing they were some place else.

My oldest friend, whom I have known since I was 5, has a job like
this.

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 5:21:29 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> And speaking of rodeos, I'm against them.  Just your
> birkenstock-wearing, bleeding-heart peacenik I am.

Why?

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 5:28:54 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Monday, March 31, 2003, 5:04:03 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > Cutting the smile out would be a good first step ... "pre-opening"
>> > a few bags in advance wouldbe another ... folding over while running
>> > your palm across would shut the bag, probably, but I don't know if
>> > it gets enough of a backing for it to close at that point.
>>
>> Pushing with your palm can hurt your ulnar nerve. (Bicylists have
>> this problem.)

> K-R-N,

> I am sorry I said push with palm. I meant running the side of the
> palm horizontally.

Oh, that's different, there's no nerves there.

NOT!

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On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>So.  What is sin?

Some say:

>In Greek, the word for sin ("hamartia") means: "to miss the mark". And
that is actually a very useful image to depict how inharmony is truly a
separation from God. I invite you to take that statement quite literally
too: the more we "miss the mark," the farther we find ourselves distanced
from [God.]<

Bethany

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:21:19 -0600
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>I *adore* this particular student, but he isn't even close
>>to being college material (intelligent, but doesn't do any
>>work and thus lacks most skills).  He's a very talented
>>football player, though.  At least he can read.
>>
>
> Ah, but "college material" is quite different if you are a good football
> (or basketball) player.  I don't know much about how it works now, but I
> know that in the past there was a state board law that allowed all the
> universities to accept x% (I think it was 5%) of an incoming freshman
> class of people who did not have the required ACT score to get in.  Word
> was that that was so we could have a football team.


        Well, word is that is why we have VTS (Voluntary Transfer
Students) now that deseg has ended.  Actually, I see two
kinds of VTS's:  I have a bunch of very smart girls who
really benefit academically; and the athletes, who
essentially allow themselves to be used for their athletic
talent without demanding any sort of education.  The coaches
will pass them no matter what.  I tend to flunk them.


> I've probably told before about a funny moment I witnessed back in the
> olden days when registration wasn't done on computers and phones but
> involved students walking around to tables in the Coliseum and picking
> up computer cards and taking them to the giant computer in the middle of
> the room.  (Those days were kind of fun.)  Anyway, I was working at the
> English table with a friend, who asked a student (pretty clearly a new
> football player) what his ACT score was so that she'd know which
> freshman comp course he should be in.  He muttered something like "8."
> She replied, "No, son, I was asking for your ACT score, not your birth
> weight."  I wonder why he was speaking for himself, though.  I remember
> that most football players were led around by <guides>.  I remember
> saying to one of the <guides> one day, "Can he talk?"  The football
> player gave a sort of "ummm" sound.


        I remember doing registration that way at UMASS Boston!  It
was total chaos.  I remember being so exhausted by the
ordeal I didn't care what classes I was signed up for.


> Anyway, the point is that if he can read, there's great potential for
> him.  And if he doesn't care about graduating, there are lots of great
> courses he can take in the PE Dept.


        I'm sure that's what he would do should he elect to go to
your school.  He actually wrote a paper for me this
semester, which nobody has ever seen him do (his resource
teacher has been with him since 3rd grade due to a fluke in
staffing).



        It might be cool to have him down there.  Maybe he would cut
your lawn!  He's one of the students I worry and pray about.
  It would be a comfort to have him down there.


>
>>When I told him I know a professor at the school, he said
>>"Ms. Chapman, you hang around with a lot of nerds!"  He
>>meant it in a loving way, though, I'm sure.
>>
>
> :-)
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 05:19 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Monday, March 31, 2003, 5:17:18 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > But all you said was "it wasn't the last war."  Doris probably would not
> > have responded as she did re pickiness if she'd realized what you meant
> > -- i.e., if you'd been less cryptic.
>
>Ah, yes. It's all my fault.
>
>ET #3

Well, it's always about you so it must be your fault.  Were you born hear
(sic)?

Betty

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> Costco sells a prosciutto/mozzarella/basil roll that is most
> excellent.
>
> ET #3

I've seen that but have resisted it thus far. I will try it on your
recommendation. Try their All Seasons Kitchen Roasted Garlic Salsa Cream
Cheese dip.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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At 06:17 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
>I took a day off from the war today.
>
>There was no school because of a teacher's
>conference or something, so I invited two
>great grandchldren to spend the day with me.
>
>We spent most of the day in sewing lessons.
>Kayla (8) pieced together a pillowtop, basting
>first and then stitching on the machine (which
>I taught her last year when she
>entered a sewing project for the 4-H fair)
>
>Justin (11) learned how to use the sewing
>machine, and he cut out and machine sewed a
>new cover for his camp canteen, an envelope
>style with snaps and a sturdy shoulder strap.
>I had him do some rather advanced lining
>and stuff, and he caught on so quickly.  He
>is going to enter a sewing project this summer
>in the 4-H fair, along with his horses and
>some other things, and Kayla
>is doing horses and cats this summer.
>
>I asked them if they talk about the war at school,
>and they said it is not discussed at all.  I asked
>if they understood what is going on and they
>said they thought so, and I said nothing more
>but kept it a wonderful day, with nice music,
>a good lunch, cokes, a brief shopping trip for
>more supplies, and "never was heard a discouraging
>word. . . and the skies were not cloudy all day."
>
>As always, we see the upcoming generation as our hope.
>
>                - D. M.

Nice day.

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 7:31:46 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> I've seen that but have resisted it thus far. I will try it on your
> recommendation. Try their All Seasons Kitchen Roasted Garlic Salsa Cream
> Cheese dip.

No thanks; I don't eat salsa.

ET #3

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02003-03-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, March 31, 2003, 5:28:54 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Monday, March 31, 2003, 5:04:03 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > Cutting the smile out would be a good first step ... "pre-opening"
> >> > a few bags in advance wouldbe another ... folding over while running
> >> > your palm across would shut the bag, probably, but I don't know if
> >> > it gets enough of a backing for it to close at that point.
> >>
> >> Pushing with your palm can hurt your ulnar nerve. (Bicylists have
> >> this problem.)
>
> > K-R-N,
>
> > I am sorry I said push with palm. I meant running the side of the
> > palm horizontally.
>
> Oh, that's different, there's no nerves there.
>
> NOT!

I don't understand what you are getting at--that doing anything
hurts something? I disagree. For instance, do these nerves have
scientific names like "ulnar"? Ha!

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 7:37:33 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Monday, March 31, 2003, 5:28:54 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-03-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> Monday, March 31, 2003, 5:04:03 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> >> > Cutting the smile out would be a good first step ... "pre-opening"
>> >> > a few bags in advance wouldbe another ... folding over while running
>> >> > your palm across would shut the bag, probably, but I don't know if
>> >> > it gets enough of a backing for it to close at that point.
>> >>
>> >> Pushing with your palm can hurt your ulnar nerve. (Bicylists have
>> >> this problem.)
>>
>> > K-R-N,
>>
>> > I am sorry I said push with palm. I meant running the side of the
>> > palm horizontally.
>>
>> Oh, that's different, there's no nerves there.
>>
>> NOT!

> I don't understand what you are getting at--that doing anything
> hurts something? I disagree. For instance, do these nerves have
> scientific names like "ulnar"? Ha!

I'm mostly toying with you. Whether you hurt the nerves in your
wrist depends mostly on how you bend it. I don't exactly
understand how you think you can use anything but fingers to
close the bag, however. When I buy Huge Hunks of Meat and put
them in smaller pkgs. in the freezer, I end up using my fingers
because nothing else works.

ET #3

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Espen, please go talk spring  wherever it
> might possibly count at this <juncture>.

April is the cruelest month...

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-03-31 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >You make some interesting points, Ms Chapman. This helped me
> >put into words something which has been irritating me for a
> >while. Basically, it's people just assuming that work is a
> >bitch. At first, I used to take this as a running joke--you
> >know, like the way *ld f*rts always have jokes going about
> >their mother-in-laws, regardless of the real situation. But
> >it's NOT a joke. And I am beginning to get kind of irritated,
> >with every freaking person I talk to implying that I don't
> >like programming. They see me carrying a laptop case on a
> >Saturday and make an I'm-so-sorry-for-you face, they see me
> >coming in at midnight after a pretty enjoyable hack session
> >and they make some stupid critical remark about my boss, and
> >so on and so forth, and what I am driving at is that they are
> >doing this to be NICE to me, which means they must have a sad
> >damn life, going to work everyday wishing they were some place
> >else.
>
>        My knees just gave and I am unable to get up!

Ms Chapman. You are a married woman. I swan.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> > But all you said was "it wasn't the last war."  Doris probably would not
> >> > have responded as she did re pickiness if she'd realized what you meant
> >> > -- i.e., if you'd been less cryptic.
> >>
> >> Ah, yes. It's all my fault.
>
> > Yep.  I would say that your cryptic reply was the direct cause of
> > Doris's response.
>
> And where does her ignorance about what she was talking about fit
> in?

Not significantly at all compared to your uh-huh helpfulness.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Monday, March 31, 2003, 5:21:29 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > And speaking of rodeos, I'm against them.  Just your
> > birkenstock-wearing, bleeding-heart peacenik I am.
>
> Why?

Ah yes, rodeos -- where a good time is had by all:

http://www.aeinc-online.org/CR_006.jpg

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I can't remember the whole story now, but someone mentioned this
is meeting yesterday, and Natalie's mention of April made me
think of it.

A group of people are planning to take some time at noon tomorrow
and think of George Bush and Saddam Hussein as cranky ten year
olds, and pray for them to find a way to resolve their
differences. I think that's what it was--I stopped listening
after 'imagine George Bush and Saddam Hussein as cranky 10 year
olds' because that image was so strong.

Karen

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 7:44:39 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> >> > But all you said was "it wasn't the last war."  Doris probably would not
>> >> > have responded as she did re pickiness if she'd realized what you meant
>> >> > -- i.e., if you'd been less cryptic.
>> >>
>> >> Ah, yes. It's all my fault.
>>
>> > Yep.  I would say that your cryptic reply was the direct cause of
>> > Doris's response.
>>
>> And where does her ignorance about what she was talking about fit
>> in?

> Not significantly at all compared to your uh-huh helpfulness.

Uh-huh.

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 7:46:39 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> Monday, March 31, 2003, 5:21:29 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > And speaking of rodeos, I'm against them.  Just your
>> > birkenstock-wearing, bleeding-heart peacenik I am.
>>
>> Why?

> Ah yes, rodeos -- where a good time is had by all:

> http://www.aeinc-online.org/CR_006.jpg

That's so different from what happens to cows in the wild,
uh-huh, yeah.

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02003-03-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, March 31, 2003, 5:41:10 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-31 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >> When I told him I know a professor at the school, he said
> >> "Ms. Chapman, you hang around with a lot of nerds!"  He
> >> meant it in a loving way, though, I'm sure.
>
> > You make some interesting points, Ms Chapman. This helped me
> > put into words something which has been irritating me for a
> > while. Basically, it's people just assuming that work is a
> > bitch.
>
> Two words for you, Tushar: Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi. He writes
> books about the psychology of optimal experience, which he calls
> 'flow'.

Two words seldom motivate one to read, K-R-N, unless they are
something like "I'll pay". I think you have come perilously
close to saying "read my blog".

The impression you have given me is that "flow" is a secular
bastardization of bliss, contentment or ecstasy, specifically
stripped of meaning and made lame in order to sell the books
to academic wussies.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I remember doing registration that way at UMASS Boston!  It
> was total chaos.  I remember being so exhausted by the
> ordeal I didn't care what classes I was signed up for.

I'm surprised that it still existed in your college years.  I'm talking
about very early '70s.

>         It might be cool to have him down there.  Maybe he would cut
> your lawn!  He's one of the students I worry and pray about.
>   It would be a comfort to have him down there.

I think it would be neat!  Tell him "Go Dawgs!"

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 7:49:03 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
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>>         I remember doing registration that way at UMASS Boston!  It
>> was total chaos.  I remember being so exhausted by the
>> ordeal I didn't care what classes I was signed up for.

> I'm surprised that it still existed in your college years.  I'm talking
> about very early '70s.

I registered that way at UH in 1980.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Ah yes, rodeos -- where a good time is had by all:
>
> > http://www.aeinc-online.org/CR_006.jpg
>
> That's so different from what happens to cows in the wild,
> uh-huh, yeah.

Ah so.  That's exactly what our football coach said about castrating the
bull in front of the football team to make us beat Texas (which worked
-- we did).  Actually, what he said did make some sense.  Bull
castrations <happen>, and the bull probably didn't care at all whether
he had an audience.  Nevertheless, I do not condone animal abuse as
entertainment.  (I will readily agree that rodeos aren't as bad as
bullfights, btw.)

--
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Monday, March 31, 2003, 7:50:34 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> The impression you have given me is that "flow" is a secular
> bastardization of bliss, contentment or ecstasy, specifically
> stripped of meaning and made lame in order to sell the books
> to academic wussies.

Well, it's not that at all. He's been developing this concept for
many years, but he started interviewing people like rock
climbers, trying to find out how they felt when they were doing
what they liked. And then he interviewed surgeons, and found out
that they felt like rock climbers. And the truth is that many
people experience flow in the course of their work. You should be
happy that you do, and I think you ask your neighbors wtf they
are doing in the hall when you come home at 2AM.

ET #3

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02003-03-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > I don't understand what you are getting at--that doing anything
> > hurts something? I disagree. For instance, do these nerves have
> > scientific names like "ulnar"? Ha!
>
> I'm mostly toying with you. Whether you hurt the nerves in
> your wrist depends mostly on how you bend it.

Ah! Please don't toy in the future, K&r3n.

> I don't exactly understand how you think you can use anything but
> fingers to close the bag, however. When I buy Huge Hunks of Meat
> and put them in smaller pkgs. in the freezer, I end up using my
> fingers because nothing else works.

That's because you haven't consciously practised it. You
do some indifferent hand-waving which is bound to fail,
and deem it "failed". Sorry, no sympathy on this one,
K@r-n.

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>Fuxx0rs, how did I end up in Philosophy 101?

I have no idea.   You certainly belong in the remedial class.


    --bonniev

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 7:56:05 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> I don't exactly understand how you think you can use anything but
>> fingers to close the bag, however. When I buy Huge Hunks of Meat
>> and put them in smaller pkgs. in the freezer, I end up using my
>> fingers because nothing else works.

> That's because you haven't consciously practised it. You
> do some indifferent hand-waving which is bound to fail,
> and deem it "failed". Sorry, no sympathy on this one,
> K@r-n.

'Indifferent hand waving'? Au contraire, mon frere.

ET #3

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> > Ah yes, rodeos -- where a good time is had by all:
>
> > http://www.aeinc-online.org/CR_006.jpg
>
>That's so different from what happens to cows in the wild,
>uh-huh, yeah.           --ET #3

Huh?   What wild creatures rope and drag cows in the wild?  Are there any
cows in the wild?  Is there any "wild" left in the world?  Or maybe you
meant that if there were any cows in the hypothetical wild, they would be
subjected to coyotes eating them alive rather than cowboys roping them and
throwing them on the ground.


    --bonniev

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02003-03-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, March 31, 2003, 7:50:34 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > The impression you have given me is that "flow" is a secular
> > bastardization of bliss, contentment or ecstasy, specifically
> > stripped of meaning and made lame in order to sell the books
> > to academic wussies.
>
> Well, it's not that at all. He's been developing this concept for
> many years, but he started interviewing people like rock
> climbers, trying to find out how they felt when they were doing
> what they liked. And then he interviewed surgeons, and found out
> that they felt like rock climbers. And the truth is that many
> people experience flow in the course of their work. You should be
> happy that you do, and I think you ask your neighbors wtf they
> are doing in the hall when you come home at 2AM.

This doesn't sound like an amazing breakthrough in psychology.
What are you holding back? Even listening to a one-hour concert
or drinking six gives you that "climbing" experience. You latch
on to something--anything--and refine your focus progressively,
would be one of putting it--so I guess you must latch on to
something which is refinable, but that's it. Everybody knows
this. Well except maybe those ch*ks who were yakking all through
the music yesterday ... oof!

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02003-03-31 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >Fuxx0rs, how did I end up in Philosophy 101?
>
> I have no idea.   You certainly belong in the remedial class.

Clyde,

Don't hide behind your wife's email address.

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02003-03-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, March 31, 2003, 7:56:05 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> I don't exactly understand how you think you can use anything but
> >> fingers to close the bag, however. When I buy Huge Hunks of Meat
> >> and put them in smaller pkgs. in the freezer, I end up using my
> >> fingers because nothing else works.
>
> > That's because you haven't consciously practised it. You
> > do some indifferent hand-waving which is bound to fail,
> > and deem it "failed". Sorry, no sympathy on this one,
> > K@r-n.
>
> 'Indifferent hand waving'? Au contraire, mon frere.

Speaking French ... the surest symptonm of indifference.

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On 31 Mar 2003 at 19:48, Karen Kay wrote:

> That's so different from what happens to cows in the wild,
> uh-huh, yeah.

I'm pretty sure electric prods and things of that sort aren't
endemic in the wild.

http://www.peta.org/mc/facts/fsent1.html

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> Sounds like a good day.  And I agree about the future generations as
> hope, though I worry a bit about their reply that "they thought so" re
> what is going on.  Buying the propaganda?  The Bush Doctrine?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I think not.  I don't believe they have the war news
on their television at home and the parents do not
have strong views one way or another and are
busy with a young couple's responsibilities.
I had a feeling, from their attitude, that what they
understood was that countries sometimes have
misunderstandings and get into wars.  They didn't
seem curious about the details, and I left it alone
entirely.

              - D. M.

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At 08:03 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-03-31 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > >Fuxx0rs, how did I end up in Philosophy 101?
> >
> > I have no idea.   You certainly belong in the remedial class.
>
>Clyde,
>
>Don't hide behind your wife's email address.

Why should I hide from you?  You're harmless.

cwv

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02003-03-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Nope. It's something that happens when you <do>. Time ceases to
> pass. It's like being 'in the zone' for athletes.

Nope it is, then!

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02003-03-31 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
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> Why should I hide from you?

Don't hide behind your husband's address!

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 8:02:37 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> This doesn't sound like an amazing breakthrough in psychology.

Who said it was?  I think it's common sense.

> What are you holding back?

I never hold back from you, hunny.

> Even listening to a one-hour concert
> or drinking six gives you that "climbing" experience.

Nope. It's something that happens when you <do>. Time ceases to
pass. It's like being 'in the zone' for athletes.

> You latch
> on to something--anything--and refine your focus progressively,
> would be one of putting it--so I guess you must latch on to
> something which is refinable, but that's it. Everybody knows
> this. Well except maybe those ch*ks who were yakking all through
> the music yesterday ... oof!

Again, I repeat, nope.

ET #3

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 On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >So.  What is sin?
>
> Some say:
>
> >In Greek, the word for sin ("hamartia") means: "to miss the mark".
And
> that is actually a very useful image to depict how inharmony is truly
a
> separation from God. I invite you to take that statement quite
literally
> too: the more we "miss the mark," the farther we find ourselves
distanced
> from [God.]<
>
> Bethany

I agree with that entirely.

I was just waiting to see if there
were some other answers.

                  - D. M.

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 8:36:02 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-31 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
>> On 31 Mar 2003 at 19:48, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> > That's so different from what happens to cows in the wild,
>> > uh-huh, yeah.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure electric prods and things of that sort aren't
>> endemic in the wild.
>>
>> http://www.peta.org/mc/facts/fsent1.html

> Something resembling it happens, in the sense that nature is
> red in tooth and claw. So shut up.

Thank you. If we go to the rodeo, there will be no report.

ET #3

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> Monday, March 31, 2003, 8:37:24 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> > Concern about upcoming surgery (maybe Thursday)
>
> What surgery?!
>
> ET #3

Cataracts.  One eye first, the other one 2-3 weeks later.
A knife in the eye.  Urghhhhh.  Slicing, I think Nat called
it.   Ooohhhheeeeeee.  I'm scared, even though everyone
says not to be and there isn't much that scares me.
We will proceed Thurs if my recent gen phys report
gets here from Mayo's . . otherwise we'll have to postpone.

                  - D. M.

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bonniev wrote:

> Huh?   What wild creatures rope and drag cows in the wild?  Are there any
> cows in the wild?

Your first question (second actually) is the one that first popped into
my head when I read Karen's response, but then your second (actually
third) one did.  Are there in fact cows in the wild?  In any case, I
don't understand the <fun> of doing or of watching that kind of cruelty.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Thank you. If we go to the rodeo, there will be no report.

Thank you.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Doris Markland wrote:

>   I'm scared, even though everyone
> says not to be and there isn't much that scares me.

Really, don't be.  I can't speak first-hand as in having had it, but I
can speak first-hand in having watched it and been with the person who
had it both during and after.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>April is the cruelest month...

... breeding bethanies, my <friends> used to say ...

: )

Bethany

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On 31 Mar 2003 at 20:37, Karen Kay wrote:

> Thank you. If we go to the rodeo, there will be no report.

I guess that's the best that can be expected of a wanton fish
killer.

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 8:04:42 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Monday, March 31, 2003, 7:56:05 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> >> I don't exactly understand how you think you can use anything but
>> >> fingers to close the bag, however. When I buy Huge Hunks of Meat
>> >> and put them in smaller pkgs. in the freezer, I end up using my
>> >> fingers because nothing else works.
>>
>> > That's because you haven't consciously practised it. You
>> > do some indifferent hand-waving which is bound to fail,
>> > and deem it "failed". Sorry, no sympathy on this one,
>> > K@r-n.
>>
>> 'Indifferent hand waving'? Au contraire, mon frere.

> Speaking French ... the surest symptonm of indifference.

ENNUI.

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Subject: Re:      Re: stupid
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> And where does her ignorance about what she was talking about fit
> in?
>
> ET #3
>
Alzheimers.
Concern about upcoming surgery (maybe Thursday)
Craft
Ditziness
Daydreamerness

              - D. M.

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 8:37:24 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> Concern about upcoming surgery (maybe Thursday)

What surgery?!

ET #3

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02003-03-31 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> On 31 Mar 2003 at 19:48, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > That's so different from what happens to cows in the wild,
> > uh-huh, yeah.
>
> I'm pretty sure electric prods and things of that sort aren't
> endemic in the wild.
>
> http://www.peta.org/mc/facts/fsent1.html

Something resembling it happens, in the sense that nature is
red in tooth and claw. So shut up.

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02003-03-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, March 31, 2003, 8:36:02 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-31 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> >> On 31 Mar 2003 at 19:48, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >> > That's so different from what happens to cows in the wild,
> >> > uh-huh, yeah.
> >>
> >> I'm pretty sure electric prods and things of that sort aren't
> >> endemic in the wild.
> >>
> >> http://www.peta.org/mc/facts/fsent1.html
>
> > Something resembling it happens, in the sense that nature is
> > red in tooth and claw. So shut up.
>
> Thank you. If we go to the rodeo, there will be no report.

Well, that shut him up all right!

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On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>>
>> >So.  What is sin?

...

>I agree with that entirely.
>
>I was just waiting to see if there
>were some other answers.

Sure: drankin' and dancin' and carryin' on!

Bethany

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On 31 Mar 2003 at 20:40, Doris Markland wrote:

> I was just waiting to see if there
> were some other answers.

Okay, here's one: If the premise is false, can one have confidence
in the conclusion?

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> >I agree with that entirely.
> >
> >I was just waiting to see if there
> >were some other answers.
>
> Sure: drankin' and dancin' and carryin' on!
>
> Bethany

You forgot sex.

         - D. M.

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> > I was just waiting to see if there
> > were some other answers.
>
> Okay, here's one: If the premise is false, can one have confidence
> in the conclusion?

The premise that___________?
Leading to the conclusion that ___________?

I can guess what you mean, but I haven't been
doing well lately at guessing what other people
think or mean.  If you know what I think/mean.

                    - D. M.

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 8:59:32 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 31 Mar 2003 at 20:37, Karen Kay wrote:
>> Thank you. If we go to the rodeo, there will be no report.

> I guess that's the best that can be expected of a wanton fish
> killer.

It wasn't intentional! I promise!

ET #3

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> On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >> Sure: drankin' and dancin' and carryin' on!
> >>
> >> Bethany
> >
> >You forgot sex.
>
> ? So what does <carryin' on> mean to you?
>
> Bethany

Luggage.

   - D. M.

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On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>> Sure: drankin' and dancin' and carryin' on!
>>
>> Bethany
>
>You forgot sex.

? So what does <carryin' on> mean to you?

Bethany

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On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:08:33 -0600, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
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> The Bush Doctrine?

Call it what it is: Manifest Destiny II.

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02003-03-31 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> Okay, here's one: If the premise is false, can one have confidence
> in the conclusion?

Yes.

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> ? So what does <carryin' on> mean to you?
>
> Bethany


>Luggage.


>   - D. M.

Up top or down below?

AS

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> > ? So what does <carryin' on> mean to you?
> >
> > Bethany
>
>
> >Luggage.
>
>
> >   - D. M.
>
> Up top or down below?
>
> AS

Now you're talking dirty?

           - D. M.

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To not have mint chutney.

The second jar just went kablooey tonight. JEEEZE. And I twisted
my ankle and knee trying to clean it up.

I need a new life.

Karen

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On 31 Mar 2003 at 21:43, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Yes.

This must be either Bushspeak or Rumsfeld speak. Which is it?

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Hoo ... I must have been in a total flow or something. It's
10:20, and I don't know what I've been doing for hours now,
and my brain is SMOKING. Oh, boy, what a flow. And the best
thing is, after I made a conscious decision yesterday not
to turn my neck to peek at this other monitor, the pain in
my neck is already feeling a lot less raw and superficial!
It's ripened, shrivelled and gone inside and will be snuffed
out soon!

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02003-03-31 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> On 31 Mar 2003 at 21:43, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Yes.
>
> This must be either Bushspeak or Rumsfeld speak. Which is it?

Is this the time or place to split hair on academic issues?

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02003-03-31 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > > ? So what does <carryin' on> mean to you?
> > >
> > > Bethany
> >
> >
> > >Luggage.
> >
> >
> > >   - D. M.
> >
> > Up top or down below?
> >
> > AS
>
> Now you're talking dirty?
>
>            - D. M.

Not now, ever since she wore that jumper

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 10:24:42 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Hoo ... I must have been in a total flow or something. It's
> 10:20, and I don't know what I've been doing for hours now,
> and my brain is SMOKING. Oh, boy, what a flow. And the best
> thing is, after I made a conscious decision yesterday not
> to turn my neck to peek at this other monitor, the pain in
> my neck is already feeling a lot less raw and superficial!
> It's ripened, shrivelled and gone inside and will be snuffed
> out soon!

I think you desperately need a life.

ET #3

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02003-03-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, March 31, 2003, 10:24:42 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Hoo ... I must have been in a total flow or something. It's
> > 10:20, and I don't know what I've been doing for hours now,
> > and my brain is SMOKING. Oh, boy, what a flow. And the best
> > thing is, after I made a conscious decision yesterday not
> > to turn my neck to peek at this other monitor, the pain in
> > my neck is already feeling a lot less raw and superficial!
> > It's ripened, shrivelled and gone inside and will be snuffed
> > out soon!
>
> I think you desperately need a life.

No, I just need a job which is not such a bitch as this programming!

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At 08:35 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
> > Sounds like a good day.  And I agree about the future generations as
> > hope, though I worry a bit about their reply that "they thought so" re
> > what is going on.  Buying the propaganda?  The Bush Doctrine?
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>I think not.  I don't believe they have the war news
>on their television at home and the parents do not
>have strong views one way or another and are
>busy with a young couple's responsibilities.
>I had a feeling, from their attitude, that what they
>understood was that countries sometimes have
>misunderstandings and get into wars.  They didn't
>seem curious about the details, and I left it alone
>entirely.
>
>               - D. M.

You're a smart, grandma.

Betty

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At 09:44 PM 3/31/2003 -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> >>
> >> >So.  What is sin?
>
>...
>
> >I agree with that entirely.
> >
> >I was just waiting to see if there
> >were some other answers.
>
>Sure: drankin' and dancin' and carryin' on!
>
>Bethany

Ohmygod.  I'm doomed.  I won't be alone though.

Betty

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At 10:22 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>To not have mint chutney.
>
>The second jar just went kablooey tonight. JEEEZE. And I twisted
>my ankle and knee trying to clean it up.
>
>I need a new life.

Are you still working?

Betty

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At 10:24 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>Hoo ... I must have been in a total flow or something. It's
>10:20, and I don't know what I've been doing for hours now,
>and my brain is SMOKING. Oh, boy, what a flow. And the best
>thing is, after I made a conscious decision yesterday not
>to turn my neck to peek at this other monitor, the pain in
>my neck is already feeling a lot less raw and superficial!
>It's ripened, shrivelled and gone inside and will be snuffed
>out soon!


YaY.

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BIT MY FACE! ARgh!

Karen

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02003-03-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> BIT MY FACE! ARgh!

End of an eventful day. Everything will be fine tomorrow.

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On 31 Mar 2003 at 23:13, Karen Kay wrote:

> BIT MY FACE! ARgh!

Feline love bite.

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02003-03-31 | BF Clark <bfclark2@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> At 10:24 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >Hoo ... I must have been in a total flow or something. It's
> >10:20, and I don't know what I've been doing for hours now,
> >and my brain is SMOKING. Oh, boy, what a flow. And the best
> >thing is, after I made a conscious decision yesterday not
> >to turn my neck to peek at this other monitor, the pain in
> >my neck is already feeling a lot less raw and superficial!
> >It's ripened, shrivelled and gone inside and will be snuffed
> >out soon!
>
> YaY.

Oh, right, I forgot. Thank you, B F CLARK!

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In answer to the question of what PA is going to do, he's going to work
for the Daily Mirror:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/31/sprj.irq.arnett/index.html

(I'm reading news again -- but very selectively and with blinders trying
to hide much of it.)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> In answer to the question of what PA is going to do, he's going to work
> for the Daily Mirror:
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/31/sprj.irq.arnett/index.html
>
> (I'm reading news again -- but very selectively and with blinders trying
> to hide much of it.)
>


        IOW: I can quit at any time!  I just don't want to.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        I remember doing registration that way at UMASS Boston!  It
>>was total chaos.  I remember being so exhausted by the
>>ordeal I didn't care what classes I was signed up for.
>>
>
> I'm surprised that it still existed in your college years.  I'm talking
> about very early '70s.


        Hmmm.  Who was the UMB computer person on the list for a long
time?  I can't think of her  name right now.  She could tell
me why it was that way in the late 80's.  I took many
courses because the line was short.


>
>>        It might be cool to have him down there.  Maybe he would cut
>>your lawn!  He's one of the students I worry and pray about.
>>  It would be a comfort to have him down there.
>>
>
> I think it would be neat!  Tell him "Go Dawgs!"


        I certainly will!  I'll talk to him about it when he next
comes to visit me.  His resource period coincides with my
plan, and he often drops by for a chat.

        We do have some academically talented athletes in the school.
  All the players are being heavily recruited this year
because WG won State, so the ones with good grades are
getting phenomenal offers.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > (I'm reading news again -- but very selectively and with blinders trying
> > to hide much of it.)
> >
>         IOW: I can quit at any time!  I just don't want to.

Yep.  I find that I cannot bury my head totally in the sand and pretend
that nothing at all is happening outside of my little space.

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>(I'm reading news again -- but very selectively and with blinders trying to
hide much of it.)

> -- Natalie

How might this differ from your usual method?

AS

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Hmmm.  Who was the UMB computer person on the list for a long
> time?  I can't think of her  name right now.  She could tell
> me why it was that way in the late 80's.  I took many
> courses because the line was short.

Joan Boorstein?

>         We do have some academically talented athletes in the school.

Not all athletes are bad students.  Not even all fb players are.

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Amy Burns Short wrote:
>
> >(I'm reading news again -- but very selectively and with blinders trying to
> hide much of it.)
>
> > -- Natalie
>
> How might this differ from your usual method?

My usual method was to read most of the major news and at least the
headlines of minor news.

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On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> > >I agree with that entirely.
> > >
> > >I was just waiting to see if there
> > >were some other answers.
> >
> > Sure: drankin' and dancin' and carryin' on!
> >
> > Bethany
>
> You forgot sex.
>
>          - D. M.
>

OK -
sure, drinkin' and dancin' and carryin' on, and forget sex!

(p.s. pretty sure that's what you carry on!)
clo

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On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> Note: it is about recent studies of how tightly or loosely coupled
> oscillators of various kinds end up synchronizing--and which, roughly
> speaking, seem to point to a unified mathematical theory, although
> the examples come from diverese branches of physics, biology etc.
> It's a very interesting, non-technical, enjoyable book.
>
> The guy looks at it carefully, and then says, cool, is this about
> how to get your life in sync? What the hell do you answer to this?
> I said, no, it's, uh, like large collections of oscillators, like
> fireflies etc, and how they get in sync. Oh, science, he says, and
> that's it, that's the end of the conversation. No further interest
> after it's been labelled "science". Jeeze! Reminded me of a poetry
> workshop I was in.
>

Well, perhaps you are prescient. It's only a matter of time before
popwriters begin to incorporate the notion of "everything that oscillates
starts to sync up" into fake psychological/spiritual notions about how
people can become one with the universe, and shortly thereafter a business
guru looking for a new hook will incorporate that notion into a theory of
how to get people to produce more for less money without noticing, and
start selling it on the management circuit.

In fact, why not anticipate the crowd and be the one that does it?
It's a very lucrative "profession" (as in "I profess to be greedy enough
to live off of businessmens' credulity without shame"). You know, like
dianetics.

oh- and coming full circle, of course the way the popwriters will get wind
of it is that I will write a poem about it that a prof looking for a
lucrative book title will hear at a poetry reading. Sorry!

clo

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At 04:53 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > This list is getting too picky.
>
>I've noticed that the pickiness seems to go in waves.  I was laughing
>when reading yesterday(?) something I had written about somebody
>"halling" something away.  I was fully expecting a chastisement, but
>nobody mentioned it.  Not mentioning it seems <logical>, of course,
>since that's the kind of e-o I often make.  But I still thought somebody
>would.


Well I did notice it and it was funny but I have no room to talk in this
area so I wasn't about to point it out.

lisa


>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 04:59 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>alyce cresap wrote:
>
> > Furthermore, Natalie is on record, since months ago, as being against
> > the war. She has posted about attending at least two peace/anti-war
> > events.
>
>Four, so far.  The next one is scheduled for April 12, but I'm going to
>have to miss it because that's the only time that fits my RRSIL's busy
>schedule for me to go to Hville and go through some boxes of my mother's
>stuff that they are going to throw away if I don't get -- things like
>pictures, theater scrapbooks, etc. etc.  I am appalled that they would
>just throw them away.  These are boxes that they ended up with because
>they were hauled (as opposed to halled) away by the fire-cleaners after
>the fire in her house and then my RRB&SIL had no idea where they were
>later since they'd told one of their servants to deal with them.
>Anyway, I'm going to Hville weekend after next to get as much of the
>stuff as I can manage to cram into my car.  I don't know why exactly
>since it will probably just get thrown away when I die.  But maybe some
>archive or something would care about some of it.  It includes things
>like newspaper clippings of lots of plays, my mother with Eudora Welty
>in a play EW had written for the Jackson Little Theatre, etc. etc.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Well mentioning Eudora Welty caught my attention, maybe it'll catch someone
else's attention too.

When you're officially and completely retired you could go through the
stuff and come up with appropriate people/places that might want it.

lisa

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 11:16:12 PM, BF Clark wrote:

> At 10:22 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>To not have mint chutney.
>>
>>The second jar just went kablooey tonight. JEEEZE. And I twisted
>>my ankle and knee trying to clean it up.
>>
>>I need a new life.

> Are you still working?

Sort of. I have to go in this morning.

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 8:07:52 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> At 04:53 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>Doris Markland wrote:
>>
>> > This list is getting too picky.
>>
>>I've noticed that the pickiness seems to go in waves.  I was laughing
>>when reading yesterday(?) something I had written about somebody
>>"halling" something away.  I was fully expecting a chastisement, but
>>nobody mentioned it.  Not mentioning it seems <logical>, of course,
>>since that's the kind of e-o I often make.  But I still thought somebody
>>would.


> Well I did notice it and it was funny but I have no room to talk in this
> area so I wasn't about to point it out.

Whereas I didn't even notice.

Karen

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At 05:29 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, you wrote:

>I *adore* this particular student, but he isn't even close
>to being college material (intelligent, but doesn't do any
>work and thus lacks most skills).  He's a very talented
>football player, though.  At least he can read.

Didn't we just read and discuss something about how most college students
weren't able to read more than 5-10 pages of text a night? You're
*adorable* student will probably fit in just fine.

lisa


>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
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lisa alfieri wrote:

> When you're officially and completely retired you could go through the
> stuff and come up with appropriate people/places that might want it.

Yes.  It might be fun to try to think of who, if anybody, would be
interested.  It's too bad the Jackson Little Theatre burned down (many
years ago).  It was replaced by a semi-professional theater, The New
Stage, where my mother was in a few plays latish in life.  But most of
the old clippings etc. are from the JLT.  They might have kept
scrapbooks or something.  A few of the theater-related clippings are of
plays she was in in college.  Maybe they'd like them.  But then there's
all the other stuff like clippings of her engagement/wedding, of
parties, etc.  Nobody is going to want those, with the possible
exception of my niece.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 1:02:25 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-03-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> BIT MY FACE! ARgh!

> End of an eventful day. Everything will be fine tomorrow.

When will the scar disappear?

ET #3

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Offered for sale on a website I browsed by:
U.S. ARMY SURVIVAL MANUAL FM21-76
Teaches you how to...
*Overcome the desire for comfort
*Recognize the onset of a dangerous passive outlook
*Tolerate pain
*Use the word "survival" as a pnemonic device
*Plan ahead for survival
*Administer the Heimlich Hug
*Treat insect and snake bites
*Make wooden and stone knives
*Make a rabbit stick
*Start a fire with a bow and drill
*Procure water in nearly any environment
*Construct a solar water still
*Make polluted water potable
*Conduct the Universal Plant Edibility Test
*Improvise containers for boiling food
*Catch and eat insects
*Make fishhooks and fishing line
*Build a stakeout for fishing secretly
*Make spear points
*Capture amphibians and reptile
*Catch birds in a net
*Make an Ojibwa bird snare
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*Clean a snake
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*Make a Dakota fire hole
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*Make an Australian poncho raft
*Find direction using the sun and stars
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I'll be glad when summer comes.  I was happy when I looked at the
weather forecast for today and saw that it was going to be reasonably
warm, but so far I'm cold in my sandaled feet and knee-high pants and
t-shirt (of the kind I wear to work -- not the writing kind).  I'm ready
for predictable, consistent WARMTH.

Maybe I should move to Bay St. Louis.  (It does get coldish there in
winter -- it's not exactly the tropics, but it's warmer than here.)

I wish my HOTEL students' test had been yesterday instead of being
tomorrow.  This would be perfect paper-grading time.  Later this week
won't be because of various other duties.  I'm feeling quite leisurely
today.

Note to Karen:  I don't really think that the fact that I'm cold today
because of dressing unwisely and that I'd rather have those test papers
today than later in the week makes my life <hard>.

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> Basketball is over.  It's baseball time!


Not here it ain't

BrP




>
> 1. RICE (40) (28-1)                      1024     1
> 2. FLORIDA STATE (28-5)                   908     5
> 3. ARIZONA STATE (34-6)                   893     2
> 4. CAL STATE-FULLERTON (24-6)             867     4
> 5. MISSISSIPPI STATE (22-3-1)             780    10
>
> from: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/college/news/2003/usabb/
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, March 30, 2003, 5:55:11 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > clo, flying south on Thurs.
>
> YaY! I sent you my phone numbers, right?
>
> ET #3
>
Yes, I just copied them down again. I'll write them on my forearm before I
get on the plane, so I can't lose them. I'm coming in at 10:30 Thursday
night... are you a night owl? If not, I will call you when I get moving on
Friday morning.  clo

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Basketball is over.  It's baseball time!

1. RICE (40) (28-1)                      1024     1
2. FLORIDA STATE (28-5)                   908     5
3. ARIZONA STATE (34-6)                   893     2
4. CAL STATE-FULLERTON (24-6)             867     4
5. MISSISSIPPI STATE (22-3-1)             780    10

from: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/college/news/2003/usabb/

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 1:28:05 AM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 31 Mar 2003 at 23:13, Karen Kay wrote:

>> BIT MY FACE! ARgh!

> Feline love bite.

It was an annoyed bite. But I think it's pretty clear she doesn't
have an idea how tender skin is.

ET #3

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I just remembered that I was going to tell more about that conversation
with my colleague yesterday that I hurriedly summarized before rushing
to class -- the one about the National Guard vs. the Reserves.  One
thing that I found fascinating was that he said one was sometimes two
different ranks at the same time -- that one's "regular officer" status
could be different from one's "commissioned officer" -- or was it
"reserve officer"?  I think he used both of those terms.  He gave
Eisenhower as an example, saying that at the same time he was a General,
he was also a Colonel.  And something about how soldiers are sometimes
promoted on the spot while fighting in a war but then return to their
earlier rank later.
Two disclaimers:  (1) I may be telling some of this slightly wrong,
though I'm pretty sure I'm getting most of it right; (2) my friend does
not claim to be on top of how everything works in today's military -- it
must have been about 40 years ago that he graduated from West Point and
went to Vietnam -- after that he went to grad school at Berkeley and
became a Medievalist, which is what he has been happily ever after.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> > Basketball is over.  It's baseball time!
>
> Not here it ain't

You should tell all those Syracuse people that they're behind the times
-- that the in crowd is now into baseball.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> >
> > > Basketball is over.  It's baseball time!
> >
> > Not here it ain't
>
> You should tell all those Syracuse people that they're behind the times
> -- that the in crowd is now into baseball.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Such a statement in Syracuse at the moment would be so much spitting into the wind.
Final Four is the only news. Given what the rest of the world is getting, I'm perfectly
content with having my attention consumed by basketball.

BrP

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 8:38:49 AM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> Yes, I just copied them down again. I'll write them on my forearm before I
> get on the plane, so I can't lose them. I'm coming in at 10:30 Thursday
> night... are you a night owl? If not, I will call you when I get moving on
> Friday morning.

Friday morning. I'M SO EXCITED!!!!!

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> > "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Basketball is over.  It's baseball time!
> > >
> > > Not here it ain't
> >
> > You should tell all those Syracuse people that they're behind the times
> > -- that the in crowd is now into baseball.
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
> Such a statement in Syracuse at the moment would be so much spitting into the wind.
> Final Four is the only news. Given what the rest of the world is getting, I'm perfectly
> content with having my attention consumed by basketball.
>
> BrP

You butch hottie you!
clo

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At 09:59 AM 3/31/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>are again important items in my mind. For some that might be natural
>because we are coming close to Easter, for some there are more recent
>matters which may involve friends and/or relatives. For me it is simething
>else: it is now four years since ggs died. I remember taking a long walk
>in the mountains (or hills) near where I lived in Bergen and then also
>thinking about life and death. And then, since I had just seen Ingjerd
>(then only a friend) in Oslo a couple of days before, I realized that she
>was very important for me, and so life became just as important as death
>in my spinning mind. And this is the time of the year where the change
>between seasons is very dramatic here. There is still snow, it is still
>possible to ski in Oslo but there are also flowers appearing - in some
>cases on patches of earth between patches of snow - and the birds are
>coming back. In a way this feels like a stronger change than the one which
>will come in 4-5 months time when things are slowing d!
>own, getting colder and darker. Even if the storms in the autumn may be
>stronger, the strong spring breezes feel more powerfull.
>
>Espen

Wonderfully written. Amen!


alec



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"Peace cannot be kept by force.  It can only be achieved by understanding"
- Albert Einstein

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>
> You butch hottie you!
> clo

*wink*

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Check out this week's Newsweek's "Conventional Wisdom" section re
blogs.  I read it as I was walking back from the p.o. with my new
Newsweek a few minutes ago.  Wasn't sure whether the little CW section
was in the online Newsweek, but it is:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/744311.asp?cp1=1

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-04-01 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Amy Burns Short wrote:
> >
> > >(I'm reading news again -- but very selectively and with blinders
> > >trying to hide much of it.)
> >
> > > -- Natalie
> >
> > How might this differ from your usual method?
>
> My usual method was to read most of the major news and at least the
> headlines of minor news.

It was a witty joke, Natalie. Anyway, Rita is right. Think about
it--who is Peter Arnett anyway? Who gives a rat's ass what happens
to him? Is not knowing who he is like having your head in the sand?

This reminds me of the older generation while I was growing up...
"Got to have a FRESH newspaper in the morning". Without the paper
they were like I would be without coffee. Did they read anything
else, especially anything that demanded rereading? No. Did they
go anywhere beyond discussing the nonsense at work or on the train
or at the barber's etc? No. Did they have any analysis of their
own? No. It was just an addiction and it gave them something to
talk about. They had to have that PAPER.

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02003-04-01 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 1:02:25 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> BIT MY FACE! ARgh!
>
> > End of an eventful day. Everything will be fine tomorrow.
>
> When will the scar disappear?

What small things you fixate on!

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > My usual method was to read most of the major news and at least the
> > headlines of minor news.
>
> It was a witty joke, Natalie.

Oh.  Then I don't get it.  I've normally been a reader of all of the
major news (using "major" in the sense of front-page).

> Anyway, Rita is right. Think about
> it--who is Peter Arnett anyway? Who gives a rat's ass what happens
> to him? Is not knowing who he is like having your head in the sand?

I was only vaguely aware of his name when the list discussion about him
started and realized later that the reason I knew about him was that '98
controversy.  I would not have been able to produce his name if somebody
had asked me who the reporter was who did the '98 thing, though I
remember the incident itself pretty well.  And no, I don't think that
not knowing about tv people is like having one's head in the sand.  I
personally have no particular interest in this man, though I do find the
story of his adventures in Iraq somewhat interesting in that it raises
interesting questions about what is <right> or <wrong> in the world of
newspeople.  Mainly, though, I sent that info re what had become of him
since somebody had asked that question yesterday.

> This reminds me of the older generation while I was growing up...
> "Got to have a FRESH newspaper in the morning". Without the paper
> they were like I would be without coffee. Did they read anything
> else, especially anything that demanded rereading? No. Did they
> go anywhere beyond discussing the nonsense at work or on the train
> or at the barber's etc? No. Did they have any analysis of their
> own? No. It was just an addiction and it gave them something to
> talk about. They had to have that PAPER.

Yep.  I share their need, though actually the only print newspaper I
read regularly is not one that tells me much about world events.  I read
it for items of local interest.  One thing I read in today's SDN was in
the "house for sale" classifieds.  The location of a house was given as
"15 miles west of Walmart."  I found it interesting that Wmart would be
used as a landmark in such an ad.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-04-01 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > My usual method was to read most of the major news and at least the
> > > headlines of minor news.
> >
> > It was a witty joke, Natalie.
>
> Oh.  Then I don't get it.

Liberals are not really known for their sense of humor now are they...

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> Offered for sale on a website I browsed by:
> U.S. ARMY SURVIVAL MANUAL FM21-76
> Teaches you how to...
> *Overcome the desire for comfort
> *Recognize the onset of a dangerous passive outlook
> *Tolerate pain
> *Use the word "survival" as a pnemonic device

etc.

Just wondering - is "survival"
a mnemonic (memory-retrieval) device, or a pneumonic (lung-pertaining)
device?
clo

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > > > My usual method was to read most of the major news and at least the
> > > > headlines of minor news.
> > >
> > > It was a witty joke, Natalie.
> >
> > Oh.  Then I don't get it.
>
> Liberals are not really known for their sense of humor now are they...

Interesting question.  I've never thought I was lacking in a sense of
humor.  I'd say that not getting whatever Amy meant here is perhaps more
likely simply evidence of my stupidity.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Just wondering - is "survival"

I hope somebody posts a reminder tomorrow of Survivor.  I can't get used
to its having been changed to Wednesdays and am scared I might forget.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-01 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > > My usual method was to read most of the major news and at least the
> > > > headlines of minor news.
> > >
> > > It was a witty joke, Natalie.
> >
> > Oh.  Then I don't get it.
>
> Liberals are not really known for their sense of humor now are they...

Doonesbury, for instance, rarely evinces any humor at all.
clo

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{{{shiver}}} at the thought of cranky 10 yr olds with WMDs

BrP



> I can't remember the whole story now, but someone mentioned this
> is meeting yesterday, and Natalie's mention of April made me
> think of it.
>
> A group of people are planning to take some time at noon tomorrow
> and think of George Bush and Saddam Hussein as cranky ten year
> olds, and pray for them to find a way to resolve their
> differences. I think that's what it was--I stopped listening
> after 'imagine George Bush and Saddam Hussein as cranky 10 year
> olds' because that image was so strong.
>
> Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
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>BIT MY FACE! ARgh!
>
>Karen
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Ouch!


alec

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> {{{shiver}}} at the thought of cranky 10 yr olds with WMDs
>
> BrP
>
> > I can't remember the whole story now, but someone mentioned this
> > is meeting yesterday, and Natalie's mention of April made me
> > think of it.
> >
> > A group of people are planning to take some time at noon tomorrow
> > and think of George Bush and Saddam Hussein as cranky ten year
> > olds, and pray for them to find a way to resolve their
> > differences. I think that's what it was--I stopped listening
> > after 'imagine George Bush and Saddam Hussein as cranky 10 year
> > olds' because that image was so strong.
> >
> > Karen

It's working already! Paul, wait til noon, now!
clo

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On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> By the way, Natalie, have you seen Sixth Sense? Minority Report? I recommend both.

Minority Report was very suspenseful. I saw it with my son. It's
particularly interesting to think of it in the current atmosphere, since
the question of how blame is assigned - in advance of the events - is a
pivotal piece of the sci-fi plot.

It's a movie I would willingly see a 2d adn 3d time, as I suspect that I
will still be picking up nuances I hadn't caught before.  clo

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Keeping in mind today's date, here is a wonderful story about how Swaziland gets
its war news.

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_766355.html?menu=


Peter Arnett take note


BrP

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On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-03-31 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> > Okay, here's one: If the premise is false, can one have confidence
> > in the conclusion?
>
> Yes.
>

You have made an interesting statement.
One may, of course, have confidence in anything one chooses, without
regard for logic or precedent.

I personally find that most of the widely accepted arguments in modern
life are based on false premises; and most of the people around me are
serenely confident that they are valid.

clo

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At 01:03 AM 4/1/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-03-31 | BF Clark <bfclark2@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> > At 10:24 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >Hoo ... I must have been in a total flow or something. It's
> > >10:20, and I don't know what I've been doing for hours now,
> > >and my brain is SMOKING. Oh, boy, what a flow. And the best
> > >thing is, after I made a conscious decision yesterday not
> > >to turn my neck to peek at this other monitor, the pain in
> > >my neck is already feeling a lot less raw and superficial!
> > >It's ripened, shrivelled and gone inside and will be snuffed
> > >out soon!
> >
> > YaY.
>
>Oh, right, I forgot. Thank you, B F CLARK!


My pleasure.  I don't believe a word Karen says about you.

Betty

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At 09:07 AM 4/1/2003 -0500, lisa alfieri wrote:
>At 04:53 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>Doris Markland wrote:
>>
>> > This list is getting too picky.
>>
>>I've noticed that the pickiness seems to go in waves.  I was laughing
>>when reading yesterday(?) something I had written about somebody
>>"halling" something away.  I was fully expecting a chastisement, but
>>nobody mentioned it.  Not mentioning it seems <logical>, of course,
>>since that's the kind of e-o I often make.  But I still thought somebody
>>would.
>
>
>Well I did notice it and it was funny but I have no room to talk in this
>area so I wasn't about to point it out.
>
>lisa

I even passed on one of Karen's.

Betty

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At 08:26 AM 4/1/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Monday, March 31, 2003, 11:16:12 PM, BF Clark wrote:
>
> > At 10:22 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>To not have mint chutney.
> >>
> >>The second jar just went kablooey tonight. JEEEZE. And I twisted
> >>my ankle and knee trying to clean it up.
> >>
> >>I need a new life.
>
> > Are you still working?
>
>Sort of. I have to go in this morning.
>
>ET #3

Hobbling in with your twisted knee and ankle and your face bit?  You'll be
an impressive sight!  Maybe they will think you have been in the garbage
cans looking for food.

Betty

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At 08:38 AM 4/1/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 1:02:25 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-03-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> BIT MY FACE! ARgh!
>
> > End of an eventful day. Everything will be fine tomorrow.
>
>When will the scar disappear?
>
>ET #3

Have you had your shots?

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At 09:05 AM 4/1/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 8:38:49 AM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > Yes, I just copied them down again. I'll write them on my forearm before I
> > get on the plane, so I can't lose them. I'm coming in at 10:30 Thursday
> > night... are you a night owl? If not, I will call you when I get moving on
> > Friday morning.
>
>Friday morning. I'M SO EXCITED!!!!!
>
>ET #3

Do you have make up for your face to hide the cat bite?

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At 09:32 AM 4/1/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-01 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Amy Burns Short wrote:
> > >
> > > >(I'm reading news again -- but very selectively and with blinders
> > > >trying to hide much of it.)
> > >
> > > > -- Natalie
> > >
> > > How might this differ from your usual method?
> >
> > My usual method was to read most of the major news and at least the
> > headlines of minor news.
>
>It was a witty joke, Natalie. Anyway, Rita is right. Think about
>it--who is Peter Arnett anyway? Who gives a rat's ass what happens
>to him? Is not knowing who he is like having your head in the sand?
>
>This reminds me of the older generation while I was growing up...
>"Got to have a FRESH newspaper in the morning". Without the paper
>they were like I would be without coffee. Did they read anything
>else, especially anything that demanded rereading? No. Did they
>go anywhere beyond discussing the nonsense at work or on the train
>or at the barber's etc? No. Did they have any analysis of their
>own? No. It was just an addiction and it gave them something to
>talk about. They had to have that PAPER.


It's a status thing. I read The Boston Globe so therefore I must be well
informed.

(Insert any newspaper name).

Betty

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At 11:32 AM 4/1/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Keeping in mind today's date, here is a wonderful story about how
>Swaziland gets
>its war news.

April Fish Day?

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mem:
>Okay, here's one: If the premise is false, can
>one have confidence in the conclusion?

Okay, I must be missing another one of
these subtle WORDS-L points.

if (premise)
{
   // process true branch
   // ...make some conclusion
}
else
{
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   // ...make some other conclusion
}

What am I missing?

--
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>I personally find that most of the widely
>accepted arguments in modern life are based
>on false premises;

You must hang out with morons.

> and most of the people around me are
> serenely confident that they are valid.

Why don't you do a web seach on that and
get back to me?

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Richard                  "the g is silent"

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>It was an annoyed bite. But I think it's pretty clear she doesn't
>have an idea how tender skin is.
>ET #3

Or doesn't particularly care.   Did she express any regret?


    --bonniev

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>(I'm reading news again -- but very selectively and with blinders
>trying to hide much of it.)      -- Natalie

Have you taken your pulse rate to see if this has helped your heart health?


    --bonniev

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>Did they have any analysis of their
>own? No. It was just an addiction and it gave them something to
>talk about. They had to have that PAPER.

Hey, I resemble that remark.


    --bonniev

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>It's a status thing. I read The Boston Globe so therefore I must be well
>informed.      --Betty

Hey, I resemble that remark.


    --bonniev

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On 1 Apr 2003 at 9:41, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I was only vaguely aware of his name when the list discussion about
> him started and realized later that the reason I knew about him was
> that '98 controversy.

Were you not so young, you might better remember him for his Vietnam
war coverage for the Associated Press, for which he won a Pulitzer
prize.

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On 1 Apr 2003 at 8:35, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> It might be fun to try to think of who, if anybody, would be
> interested.

The Mississippi Historical Society and the Mississipi Department of
Archives and History might have useful suggestions.

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 10:02:23 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> {{{shiver}}} at the thought of cranky 10 yr olds with WMDs

Okay, how is the situation we have any different? It frequently
makes me shiver.

ET #3

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 10:48:52 AM, Betty Clark wrote:

> At 08:38 AM 4/1/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 1:02:25 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-03-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> BIT MY FACE! ARgh!
>>
>> > End of an eventful day. Everything will be fine tomorrow.
>>
>>When will the scar disappear?
>>
>>ET #3

> Have you had your shots?

Nope--remember, my cat and I are both outside the US health care
system.

ET #3

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It isn't any different and that precisely is why it is a shiver.


BrP



> Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 10:02:23 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > {{{shiver}}} at the thought of cranky 10 yr olds with WMDs
>
> Okay, how is the situation we have any different? It frequently
> makes me shiver.
>
> ET #3

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 10:50:52 AM, Betty Clark wrote:

> At 09:05 AM 4/1/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 8:38:49 AM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>> > Yes, I just copied them down again. I'll write them on my forearm before I
>> > get on the plane, so I can't lose them. I'm coming in at 10:30 Thursday
>> > night... are you a night owl? If not, I will call you when I get moving on
>> > Friday morning.
>>
>>Friday morning. I'M SO EXCITED!!!!!
>>
>>ET #3

> Do you have make up for your face to hide the cat bite?

I did try makeup this morning, but it looked like I was using
regular makeup to hide a huge honking scar, so I wiped it off,
and it looked better.

ET #3

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 11:29:25 AM, bonniev wrote:
>>It was an annoyed bite. But I think it's pretty clear she doesn't
>>have an idea how tender skin is.
>>ET #3

> Or doesn't particularly care.   Did she express any regret?

Yes. But mostly because I dumped her off my chest, I think.

I think she cares, because it's in her best interest not to
permanently damage the person who feeds her. She clearly knows
the difference between a play bite and a real bite, but sometimes
miscalculates.

ET #3

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 12:26:58 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> It isn't any different and that precisely is why it is a shiver.

Yup. As usual, we are in perfect accord.:)

>> Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 10:02:23 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>> > {{{shiver}}} at the thought of cranky 10 yr olds with WMDs
>>
>> Okay, how is the situation we have any different? It frequently
>> makes me shiver.
>>
>> ET #3



ET #3

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Blah.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/0330a.htm

Karen

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 10:47:38 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
> Hobbling in with your twisted knee and ankle and your face bit?  You'll be
> an impressive sight!  Maybe they will think you have been in the garbage
> cans looking for food.

What a lovely image!

I'm not hobbling at all. In fact, I had totally forgotten about
my injury till you reminded me. But that does explain why my body
was so <cranky> this morning.

ET #3

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 10:42:46 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
> My pleasure.  I don't believe a word Karen says about you.

But, but!!!! I say good things!

ET #3

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 9:34:22 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-01 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 1:02:25 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-03-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> BIT MY FACE! ARgh!
>>
>> > End of an eventful day. Everything will be fine tomorrow.
>>
>> When will the scar disappear?

> What small things you fixate on!

IT'S NOT SMALL!!!

ET #3

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Karen:
>my cat and I are both outside the US health care system.

Too bad you don't need a heart-lung transplant.

Oops, maybe it's a good thing you don't, after all.

--
outsider by choice

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Or do they give the weather forecast in Iraq where you live?

(It's 81.)

Karen

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Paul R. Barfoot:
= Keeping in mind today's date, here is a wonderful story about how Swaziland gets
= its war news.
=
= http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_766355.html?menu=
=
=

I missed my big chance this morning when the big boss called in a
bit of a panic and asked if everything was up and running.  I
should have said no.

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We are getting the weather for Syracuse, Iraq, and New Orleans

BrP




> Or do they give the weather forecast in Iraq where you live?
>
> (It's 81.)
>
> Karen

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 8:38:25 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> *Make a rabbit stick

What is a rabbit stick?

> *Start a fire with a bow and drill

Where do you plug the drill in?

> *Procure water in nearly any environment

Any 2 year old knows this one.

> *Conduct the Universal Plant Edibility Test

I want to know what this is!

> *Signal to aircraft with your body

Talk about ETs....

ET #3

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To report a good thing-He won't appeal the California Oil Drilling Ban.

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> To report a good thing-He won't appeal the California Oil Drilling Ban.

I am mostly astonished to hear that any piece of his consciousness is engaged by
events outside of Iraq.


BrP

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 12:58:34 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>> To report a good thing-He won't appeal the California Oil Drilling Ban.

> I am mostly astonished to hear that any piece of his consciousness is engaged by
> events outside of Iraq.

I don't think this is an indicator of that.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 8:38:25 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> >> *Make a rabbit stick
>
> >What is a rabbit stick?

If it's what they taught in the American Boys Handy Book, it's
the "kill" part of a deadfall trap - in other words, a pointy stick
to kill small animals with.

> >> *Start a fire with a bow and drill
>
> >Where do you plug the drill in?

Ha Ha. An incomplete education? a stick you wrap the string around,
permitting you to spin it quickly enough to build the friction to start
a
fire in tinder at it's base.

> >> *Procure water in nearly any environment
>
> >Any 2 year old knows this one.

An interesting fact I was not aware of.

> > *Conduct the Universal Plant Edibility Test
>
> I want to know what this is!

And also the survival rate for its users. I had a friend who
picked wild mushrooms every spring for years....

clo

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>
>And also the survival rate for its users. I had a friend who
>picked wild mushrooms every spring for years....
>
>clo
>

Espen in Norway picks wild mushrooms too.


alec

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 1:16:01 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 8:38:25 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>> >> *Make a rabbit stick
>>
>> >What is a rabbit stick?

> If it's what they taught in the American Boys Handy Book, it's
> the "kill" part of a deadfall trap - in other words, a pointy stick
> to kill small animals with.

Ah.

>> >> *Start a fire with a bow and drill
>>
>> >Where do you plug the drill in?

> Ha Ha. An incomplete education? a stick you wrap the string around,
> permitting you to spin it quickly enough to build the friction to start
> a
> fire in tinder at it's base.

This one, I knew. I was just <joking>.

>> > *Conduct the Universal Plant Edibility Test
>>
>> I want to know what this is!

> And also the survival rate for its users. I had a friend who
> picked wild mushrooms every spring for years....

Espen is a mushroomer.

ET #3

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> > > *Conduct the Universal Plant Edibility Test
> >
> > I want to know what this is!
>
> And also the survival rate for its users. I had a friend who
> picked wild mushrooms every spring for years....
>
> clo

My Siberian Gypsy housemate has a series of tests for mushroom edibility but he
hasn't exactly described them to me.  I know one of his rules is that if the mushroom
has been nibbled by some other creature it is safe for nibbling by humans.  I would
not have confidence in such a rule myself, but he has never been poisoned, so...


BrP

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At 08:45 AM 4/1/2003 -0800, Betty Clark wrote:

>I even passed on one of Karen's.

Well, you're just a living, breathing saint, that's all...

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At 01:58 PM 4/1/2003 -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>I am mostly astonished to hear that any piece of his consciousness is
>engaged by
>events outside of Iraq.

I would be astonished to hear that any piece of his consciousness is ever
engaged.

cwv

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02003-04-01 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 10:42:46 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
> > My pleasure.  I don't believe a word Karen says about you.
>
> But, but!!!! I say good things!

Dr Voigtlander, what's your opinion of the relation between
true and good?

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bonniev wrote:

> Have you taken your pulse rate to see if this has helped your heart health?

Eek.  I may be dead.  I just reached for that part of the wrist that
people reach for if they take pulses (unless they have a pulse machine),
and I feel nothing.  But wouldn't you have to have a fancy clock to do
it anyway?  I wouldn't be sure when a minute passed.  My timepieces
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http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030328.html

Karen

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Did they have any analysis of their
> >own? No. It was just an addiction and it gave them something to
> >talk about. They had to have that PAPER.
>
> Hey, I resemble that remark.

I think I failed to ask earlier how one can have an analysis of their
own without having any data to analyze.  My earlier question was about
how one finds out what's happening in the world, beyond one's own little
space, without any source of news.

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
> > I was only vaguely aware of his name when the list discussion about
> > him started and realized later that the reason I knew about him was
> > that '98 controversy.
>
> Were you not so young, you might better remember him for his Vietnam
> war coverage for the Associated Press, for which he won a Pulitzer
> prize.

I read a good bit of news of Vietnam in those years -- more in its later
years than in its earlier years, but I doubt that I noticed the writers'
names.

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> The Mississippi Historical Society and the Mississipi Department of
> Archives and History might have useful suggestions.

This reminds me that I still haven't continued an e-mail discussion I
started almost a year ago with somebody at the state archives re some
tapes I might give them.

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At 02:16 PM 4/1/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 08:45 AM 4/1/2003 -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
>
>>I even passed on one of Karen's.
>
>Well, you're just a living, breathing saint, that's all...

It was very difficult to let it slide.  Maybe I should go back and find it.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > What is a rabbit stick?
>
> Presumably a rabbit-knocker -- often pronounced rabbiknocker (that i is
> [I], not [aI] -- i.e., it's not about rabbis) in my childhood.  I never
> knew anybody who actually went rabbit hunting with a rabbiknocker, but I
> heard them mentioned.

First Karen won't admit to knowing anyone who drops acid, now
you disavow all knowledge of basic poaching principles. Do all
Americans lie like you?

clo

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Or do they give the weather forecast in Iraq where you live?

They who?  My usual source of weather info is wunderground.
Occasionally I call the time/temperature number if I want to know the
temperature at the moment.  Neither of those sources has mentioned Iraq.

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In a message dated 3/31/2003 9:50:36 AM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< It is interesting to learn that you are not in the habit of calling
people ugly names. What do you call it when you lambaste, ridicule,
criticize, and scorn the US and all of its citizens?

alyce
 >>

It's called *free speech*, Alyce. I never accused any of you of starting this
ugly mess, but I used "you" as in everybody, I'm sorry I don't know the word
in English.
Right now I'd say it includes the US, England, and everyone else who is
involved, and approves. This is absolutely the last thing I'm going to say
about it.
Theo

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Karen Kay wrote:

> What is a rabbit stick?

Presumably a rabbit-knocker -- often pronounced rabbiknocker (that i is
[I], not [aI] -- i.e., it's not about rabbis) in my childhood.  I never
knew anybody who actually went rabbit hunting with a rabbiknocker, but I
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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> > To report a good thing-He won't appeal the California Oil Drilling Ban.
>
> I am mostly astonished to hear that any piece of his consciousness is engaged by
> events outside of Iraq.

I took this report to suggest that it isn't.

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In a message dated 3/31/2003 9:55:00 AM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< Calling me uncivilized did not endear her to me.

ET #3
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Good grief, it was a joke! Theo

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At 07:49 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >         I remember doing registration that way at UMASS Boston!  It
> > was total chaos.  I remember being so exhausted by the
> > ordeal I didn't care what classes I was signed up for.
>
>I'm surprised that it still existed in your college years.  I'm talking
>about very early '70s.

I did it at.. umm.. hmm.. it must have been my freshman year at American
International College in Springfield.

That was a small school though. I think it took up 2-4 city blocks in
Springfield. They seems to be fairly relaxed about being progressive.

When I went to URI registration was done over the phone. It was a blast my
first year there. Transfer students were the last to pick classes. I think
I had to get waivers for most of the classes I wanted to take.

lisa

  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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I just realized that there's a second hand on the clock in this very
room.  And this time I found my pulse!  But there was a problem.  I
apparently died after the first ten pulsings.  The beat totally vanished
at that point, and I felt nothing.  Hmm.  I realize now that I should've
looked at what the clock said at the moment the pulse died and
extrapolated.  But I didn't.

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I just received this from a friend (not one of my Canadian friends btw)

BrP

-------------------------------------------------------

On behalf of Canadians everywhere I'd like to offer an apology to
the United States of America.  We haven't been getting along very
well recently and for that, I am truly sorry.

I'm sorry we called George Shrub - er - Bush a moron. He is a
moron but, it wasn't nice of us to point it out. If it's any
consolation, the fact that he's a moron shouldn't reflect poorly on
the people of America. After all it's not like you actually elected
him.

I'm sorry about our softwood lumber. Just because we have more
trees than you doesn't give us the right to sell you lumber that's
cheaper and better than your own.

I'm sorry we beat you in Olympic hockey. In our defense I guess our
excuse would be that our team was much, much, much, much better
than yours.

I'm sorry we burnt down your White House during the war of 1812.
I notice you've rebuilt it! It's very nice.

I'm sorry about your beer. I know we had nothing to do with your
beer but, we feel your pain.

I'm sorry about our waffling on Iraq. I mean, when you're going up
against a crazed dictator, you wanna have your friends by your side. I
realize it took more than two years before you guys pitched in against
Hitler, but that was different. Everyone knew he had weapons.

And finally on behalf of all Canadians, I'm sorry that we're
constantly apologizing for things in a passive- aggressive way which
is really a thinly veiled criticism. I sincerely hope that you're not
upset over this.  We've seen what you do to countries you get upset with..

Thank you.

-Rick Mercer from "This Hour Has 22 Minutes" CBC
Television

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 2:13:07 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I just realized that there's a second hand on the clock in this very
> room.  And this time I found my pulse!  But there was a problem.  I
> apparently died after the first ten pulsings.  The beat totally vanished
> at that point, and I felt nothing.  Hmm.  I realize now that I should've
> looked at what the clock said at the moment the pulse died and
> extrapolated.  But I didn't.

Have you tried finding your pulse in your neck? Sometimes it's
easier.

ET #3

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> When I went to URI registration was done over the phone. It was a blast my

We had a stage between the old handing-out-the-punchcards in the
Coliseum and the ordinary telephone thing.  It seems to me that there
were special telephones set up around campus, or maybe it was special
computers, that students lined up to use.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 8:38:25 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > *Make a rabbit stick
>
> What is a rabbit stick?

Aha moment -
How to make a rabbit stick:

Cover it with glue!
clo

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 2:17:42 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Have you tried finding your pulse in your neck? Sometimes it's
>> easier.

> The neck is a large area.  Where in the neck might it be?

Where your carotid arteries are.

See http://www.heartsavers.org/CanYouFindYourPulse.htm for
directions.

ET #3

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Just found it again, but it died again.  And it was on an odd number
like 17 -- too much trouble to try to do the math.  What seems to happen
is that I wipe out the pulse -- I smush it to death so it stops
working.  Oh well.  I really need to go out and do some stuff, but I was
waiting around in case the balloon person calls again.  I tried to send
some balloons to my niece in celebration of her just having bought a
house, but the balloon person called and said that the phone number I'd
given her was wrong.  So I dug out Audrey's mother's phone number and
asked her to try it.  That was about fifteen minutes ago.  Since I
haven't heard anything else, maybe it worked.  These balloon people are
very nice.  I used them once before and found them quite pleasant and
efficient.  I found them on the web:  AAA Balloons.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Where your carotid arteries are.
>
> See http://www.heartsavers.org/CanYouFindYourPulse.htm for
> directions.

Thanks.  I will look at it a bit later.  Now I'm going to assume that
the balloon situation is ok and go out to run errands.

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 2:24:33 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> > What is a rabbit stick?
>>
>> Presumably a rabbit-knocker -- often pronounced rabbiknocker (that i is
>> [I], not [aI] -- i.e., it's not about rabbis) in my childhood.  I never
>> knew anybody who actually went rabbit hunting with a rabbiknocker, but I
>> heard them mentioned.

> First Karen won't admit to knowing anyone who drops acid,

I didn't say that. I said no one in that book group had.

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In a message dated 3/31/2003 12:44:54 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<< Don't leave. You are the one sane voice on this insane list. If
they can't hear an alternative and reasoned point of view, maybe
they should leave.
 >>

Shhhhh. "They" might hear you! Ducking, Theo

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Have you tried finding your pulse in your neck? Sometimes it's
> easier.

The neck is a large area.  Where in the neck might it be?

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In a message dated 3/31/2003 1:58:45 PM, stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:

<< Tushar, get off the list.  Go.  Be gone.  Weg wezen. >>

The correct term is *ga weg* Oh, excuse me, I'm not allowed to correct my own
mother language, that's stupid, right?
Theo

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In a message dated 3/31/2003 2:49:37 PM, bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:

<< That was very good, Rashmi, albeit not that funny.   Now I know that it's
not supposed to make sense.
 >>

Enjoyed it, and it was the best explanation I've heard sofar. Giggling.
Theo

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 2:48:07 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
> Oooh, it's so weird to suddenly sit down and start knitting, and
> going increases, etc. Your fingers really don't forget, do they?
  ^^^^^

Doing, of course. Not going nowhere, nohow.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 2:24:33 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >> Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >> > What is a rabbit stick?
> >>
> >> Presumably a rabbit-knocker -- often pronounced rabbiknocker (that i is
> >> [I], not [aI] -- i.e., it's not about rabbis) in my childhood.  I never
> >> knew anybody who actually went rabbit hunting with a rabbiknocker, but I
> >> heard them mentioned.
>
> > First Karen won't admit to knowing anyone who drops acid,
>
> I didn't say that. I said no one in that book group had.

Sorry. It just didn't sound as good as a joke when it was strictly accurate.
Humorous license?
clo

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02003-04-01 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 3/31/2003 12:44:54 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
> << Don't leave. You are the one sane voice on this insane list. If
> they can't hear an alternative and reasoned point of view, maybe
> they should leave.
> >>
>
> Shhhhh. "They" might hear you! Ducking, Theo

I don't care. It's called "free speech", kid

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Theodora Groothof:
= In a message dated 3/31/2003 1:58:45 PM, stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:
=
= << Tushar, get off the list.  Go.  Be gone.  Weg wezen. >>
=
= The correct term is *ga weg* Oh, excuse me, I'm not allowed to correct my own
= mother language, that's stupid, right?
= Theo

actually it appears I possibly should have made it all one word,
wegwezen.  but ga weg will do too!

gedouddahere! gwan!  skeedaddle!

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Oooh, it's so weird to suddenly sit down and start knitting, and
going increases, etc. Your fingers really don't forget, do they?

Karen

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02003-04-01 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 3/31/2003 1:58:45 PM, stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:
>
> << Tushar, get off the list.  Go.  Be gone.  Weg wezen. >>
>
> The correct term is *ga weg* Oh, excuse me, I'm not allowed to correct
> my own mother language, that's stupid, right?

Yes, that's extremely stupid. But I am pretty sure "Stevie" was
using the latest student slang derived from American speech.

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02003-04-01 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> bonniev wrote:
> >
> > >Did they have any analysis of their
> > >own? No. It was just an addiction and it gave them something to
> > >talk about. They had to have that PAPER.
> >
> > Hey, I resemble that remark.
>
> I think I failed to ask earlier how one can have an analysis of their
> own without having any data to analyze.

One can't. Is there a PROBLEM here, NATALIE?

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02003-04-01 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> I just realized that there's a second hand on the clock in this very
> room.  And this time I found my pulse!

Everything syncs up after a while.

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In a message dated 3/31/2003 3:39:27 PM, kaminski@ISTORI.COM writes:

<< "U.S. soldiers fire into van carrying 13 women and children after it fails
to stop at checkpoint, Central Command says. Seven killed, two wounded."
 >>

And didn't our *dear* president assures us, (the world, not the list), that
NO civilians would be targeted? Just wondering, Theo

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In a message dated 3/31/2003 4:38:30 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<< when God saved them
from this dilemna by impregnating her.
 >>

You mean Joseph didn't have anything to do with it? Tsk, tsk.
Theo

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 4:32 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: My stupid cat
>
>
>Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 2:34:04 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
>> At 11:13 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>>BIT MY FACE! ARgh!
>>>
>>>Karen
>
>> what happened? did you try to rope it?
>
>LOL. Yeah, right. No, one minute she was asleep on my chest, the
>next minute, it was like a horror movie...
>
>ET #3
>

Time to get a dog.



alec

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02003-04-01 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> I just received this from a friend (not one of my Canadian friends btw)

LAME


> -------------------------------------------------------
> On behalf of Canadians everywhere I'd like to offer an apology to

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 3:07:40 PM, Theodora Groothof wrote:
> And didn't our *dear* president assures us, (the world, not the list), that
> NO civilians would be targeted? Just wondering, Theo

They weren't targeted as civilians, they were targeted as suicide
bombers.

ET #3

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At 08:35 AM 4/1/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > When you're officially and completely retired you could go through the
> > stuff and come up with appropriate people/places that might want it.
>
>Yes.  It might be fun to try to think of who, if anybody, would be
>interested.  It's too bad the Jackson Little Theatre burned down (many
>years ago).  It was replaced by a semi-professional theater, The New
>Stage, where my mother was in a few plays latish in life.  But most of
>the old clippings etc. are from the JLT.

I thought of the JLT and tried to find it on the web, now I know why I
couldn't.

There are a good many Eudora Welty web sites out there that point you in an
interesting direction.

>They might have kept
>scrapbooks or something.  A few of the theater-related clippings are of
>plays she was in in college.  Maybe they'd like them.  But then there's
>all the other stuff like clippings of her engagement/wedding, of
>parties, etc.  Nobody is going to want those, with the possible
>exception of my niece.

I hope you niece takes an interest.

My mother has a box of letters my grandmother wrote my grandfather during
WWII. I found the box in my grandparent's basement and told my mom about
it. Turns out she already knew, as did my uncle. My mother has the letters
now and I'll get them one day.

At the moment I have my grandmother's pots and pans. There's nothing all
that special about them except that they were my grandmothers and I needed
to add to my once small collection.

lisa


>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 11:13 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>BIT MY FACE! ARgh!
>
>Karen

what happened? did you try to rope it?

lisa

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 2:34:04 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> At 11:13 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>BIT MY FACE! ARgh!
>>
>>Karen

> what happened? did you try to rope it?

LOL. Yeah, right. No, one minute she was asleep on my chest, the
next minute, it was like a horror movie...

ET #3

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In a message dated 3/31/2003 4:48:08 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< Tushar Samant wrote:

> > You put Betty's name above Natalie's words. That's pretty ugly.
>
> I think "Betty" is not an ugly name.

I like Betty much better than Natalie.  I wish my parents had gone with
the thought of naming me Susan.  Then again, it's convenient not to have
to sign my last name on lots of things.
 >>

Don't you recognize irony when you read it?
Theo

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--On Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:31 PM -0600 Karen Kay  wrote:
>
> LOL. Yeah, right. No, one minute she was asleep on my chest, the
> next minute, it was like a horror movie...
>
> ET #3


Sounds like a bad dream....

Terry

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02003-04-01 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> << "U.S. soldiers fire into van carrying 13 women and children after it fails
> to stop at checkpoint, Central Command says. Seven killed, two wounded."
> >>
>
> And didn't our *dear* president assures us, (the world, not the list),
> that NO civilians would be targeted? Just wondering, Theo

That's good to know. A sense of wonderment is crucial for a happy life.

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 3:43:30 PM, Terry WIld wrote:

> --On Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:31 PM -0600 Karen Kay  wrote:
>>
>> LOL. Yeah, right. No, one minute she was asleep on my chest, the
>> next minute, it was like a horror movie...
>>
>> ET #3


> Sounds like a bad dream....

I'd think so if there weren't a scar.

ET #3

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 3:47:51 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> Time to get a dog.

No. But I think I'm going to tattoo NO MORE PETS on my forehead.

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At 03:34 PM 4/1/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>At 11:13 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>BIT MY FACE! ARgh!
>>
>>Karen
>
>what happened? did you try to rope it?
>
>lisa


LOL.  I still laugh at the cat herding commercial, too.

Betty

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 3:46:00 PM, Betty Clark wrote:

> At 03:34 PM 4/1/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>At 11:13 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>>BIT MY FACE! ARgh!
>>>
>>>Karen
>>
>>what happened? did you try to rope it?
>>
>>lisa


> LOL.  I still laugh at the cat herding commercial, too.

I like the 200 oxen commercial.

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02003-04-01 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 3/31/2003 4:48:08 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
> << Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > You put Betty's name above Natalie's words. That's pretty ugly.
> >
> > I think "Betty" is not an ugly name.
>
> I like Betty much better than Natalie.  I wish my parents had gone with
> the thought of naming me Susan.  Then again, it's convenient not to have
> to sign my last name on lots of things.
>  >>
>
> Don't you recognize irony when you read it?

Yeah, stupid!

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02003-04-01 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 3/31/2003 4:38:30 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> << when God saved them
> from this dilemna by impregnating her.
> >>
>
> You mean Joseph didn't have anything to do with it? Tsk, tsk.

I've got to say, Rita is particularly stupid!

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> > > My pleasure.  I don't believe a word Karen says about you.
> >
> > But, but!!!! I say good things!
>
>Dr Voigtlander, what's your opinion of the relation between
>true and good?

Tenuous, at best.


    --bonniev

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-01 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
>
>>In a message dated 3/31/2003 4:38:30 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>>
>><< when God saved them
>>from this dilemna by impregnating her.
>>
>>You mean Joseph didn't have anything to do with it? Tsk, tsk.
>>
>
> I've got to say, Rita is particularly stupid!


        Hey, you can shove your free speech right up your ass, pimpy boy.






--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 3/31/2003 4:38:30 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> << when God saved them
> from this dilemna by impregnating her.
>  >>
>
> You mean Joseph didn't have anything to do with it? Tsk, tsk.


        Nope.  What kind of education do you have?




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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In a message dated 04/01/2003 9:48:36 AM Central Standard Time,
clostran@SYR.EDU writes:

<<
Doonesbury, for instance, rarely evinces any humor at all.
clo

>>

I can say the same for Mallard Fillmore.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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> I'll be glad when summer comes.  I was happy when I looked at the
> weather forecast for today and saw that it was going to be reasonably
> warm, but so far I'm cold in my sandaled feet and knee-high pants and
> t-shirt (of the kind I wear to work -- not the writing kind).  I'm
> readyfor predictable, consistent WARMTH.

Snowed here again today.

Marie

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At the moment I have my grandmother's pots and pans. There's nothing all
> that special about them except that they were my grandmothers and I needed
> to add to my once small collection.

I have various things of that kind, small and large, and find them
<special> because of their history even if they're totally ordinary
items.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> LOL. Yeah, right. No, one minute she was asleep on my chest, the
> next minute, it was like a horror movie...

Did I somehow miss the transition from a cat not allowed in the house at
all, even a quick run-through, to a cat sleeping on your chest?

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > knew anybody who actually went rabbit hunting with a rabbiknocker, but I
> > heard them mentioned.
>
> First Karen won't admit to knowing anyone who drops acid, now
> you disavow all knowledge of basic poaching principles. Do all
> Americans lie like you?

But I didn't say I didn't know any poachers! I just didn't know (or know
for sure -- I might have known some) any users of rabbiknockers.  I knew
lots of frog-giggers, though.

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02003-04-01 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-04-01 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> >>In a message dated 3/31/2003 4:38:30 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
> >>
> >><< when God saved them
> >>from this dilemna by impregnating her.
> >>
> >>You mean Joseph didn't have anything to do with it? Tsk, tsk.
> >>
> >
> >I've got to say, Rita is particularly stupid!
>
>
> Hey, you can shove your free speech right up your ass, pimpy boy.


Predictably rude. So what's new. Ducking.....

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The man who said Viagra made his teeth itch.

I wonder if it was the same guy loudly asking the nurse for
"a bigger dose of Viagra because this dose doesn't do the
trick!" from the waiting room.

A good ending for a bizarre day.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-01 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>02003-04-01 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
>>>
>>>>In a message dated 3/31/2003 4:38:30 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>>>>
>>>><< when God saved them
>>>>
>>>>from this dilemna by impregnating her.
>>>
>>>>You mean Joseph didn't have anything to do with it? Tsk, tsk.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I've got to say, Rita is particularly stupid!
>>>
>>
>>Hey, you can shove your free speech right up your ass, pimpy boy.
>>
>
>
> Predictably rude. So what's new. Ducking.....
>


        Oh, at least I never say ugly things like you people.  But
that's the last I'm going to say about this and I mean it!
So there.




--
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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 4:45:16 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Did I somehow miss the transition from a cat not allowed in the house at
> all, even a quick run-through, to a cat sleeping on your chest?

Yes. This has been going on for a while now.

ET #3

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At 04:45 PM 4/1/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > LOL. Yeah, right. No, one minute she was asleep on my chest, the
> > next minute, it was like a horror movie...
>
>Did I somehow miss the transition from a cat not allowed in the house at
>all, even a quick run-through, to a cat sleeping on your chest?

I was curious about the allergies or  maybe I am getting my words-l people
mixed up.  Did you used to be allergic to cats, Karen?

Betty

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On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

BrP> I just received this from a friend (not one of my Canadian friends btw)
BrP>
BrP> -------------------------------------------------------
BrP>
BrP> On behalf of Canadians everywhere I'd like to offer an apology to
BrP> the United States of America. [...]

BrP> -Rick Mercer from "This Hour Has 22 Minutes" CBC
BrP> Television

        I accidentally discovered* that the attribution is incorrect.
Rick Mercer left the show in 2001.  It was Colin Mochrie.  The original
wording is a bit different too.  Perhaps he adapted it for other venues.
Or perhaps someone else did.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/mercer.php

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Tom Lee (flint@kiva.net)
* I was just trying to find the text on a web page so I could send someone
the URL and not the whole text.

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On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>> >You forgot sex.
>>
>> ? So what does <carryin' on> mean to you?
>>
>> Bethany
>
>Luggage.

Hah! Lemme tell you 'bout the birds an' bees, Doris! The Southren birds
an' bees!

Bethany

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 5:17:33 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> I was curious about the allergies or  maybe I am getting my words-l people
> mixed up.  Did you used to be allergic to cats, Karen?

I still am. I take antihistamines every day, and I comb the cat
before she is allowed in. The combing really helps a lot--I use a
flea comb, which is very fine. She's only allowed in for a
certain amount of limited petting, though I'm sure her ambition
is to be a lap cat. Twice the phone has rung, and I've gotten
distracted, and the next thing I know she's ensconced in my bed.

Despite the fact that she bit my face, she really is a very
sweet-natured cat.

ET #3

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In a message dated 4/1/2003 1:15:21 PM, prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:

<< I just received this from a friend (not one of my Canadian friends btw)

BrP
 >>
No matter who it came from, enjoyed it! :-}
Whom? Excuse my ignorance. Theo

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 6:06:07 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > Did I somehow miss the transition from a cat not allowed in the house at
>> > all, even a quick run-through, to a cat sleeping on your chest?
>>
>> Yes. This has been going on for a while now.

> I knew that you had been becoming more intimate with NC, but I don't
> think I knew what happened to make the big change.

The only big change is in your mind.

ET #3

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Oh, at least I never say ugly things like you people.  But
> that's the last I'm going to say about this and I mean it!
> So there.

What?  Did you not see Tushar's irony?  But then you were educated in
the USA, weren't you.  And that is sad.  Back in The Old Country
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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Did I somehow miss the transition from a cat not allowed in the house at
> > all, even a quick run-through, to a cat sleeping on your chest?
>
> Yes. This has been going on for a while now.

I knew that you had been becoming more intimate with NC, but I don't
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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> I'm sorry we burnt down your White House during the war of 1812.
> I notice you've rebuilt it! It's very nice.

    But you didn't.  It was the British.  (Who lost the war, BTW.)
    Is this the level of Canadian scholarship these days?

JMW

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Karen Kay wrote:

>  She's only allowed in for a
> certain amount of limited petting, though I'm sure her ambition
> is to be a lap cat.

But I thought she spent the night with you in bed last night.  Wasn't
that when the biting occurred?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I knew that you had been becoming more intimate with NC, but I don't
> > think I knew what happened to make the big change.
>
> The only big change is in your mind.

It's in my mind that it's a big change to go from not allowing a cat
inside under any circumstances to having the cat sleep with you???

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Adam wrote:

> plotinka wrote:
>
>
>>>I knew that you had been becoming more intimate with NC, but I don't
>>>think I knew what happened to make the big change.
>>>
>>The only big change is in your mind.
>>
>
> It's in my mind that it's a big change to go from not allowing a cat
> inside under any circumstances to having the cat sleep with you???


        I think that's a big change, and I don't care what you think,
so there!




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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 6:07:37 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>>  She's only allowed in for a
>> certain amount of limited petting, though I'm sure her ambition
>> is to be a lap cat.

> But I thought she spent the night with you in bed last night.  Wasn't
> that when the biting occurred?

No. She doesn't sleep in my bed. I pet her in the living room,
usually on the couch.

ET #3

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 6:09:54 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > I knew that you had been becoming more intimate with NC, but I don't
>> > think I knew what happened to make the big change.
>>
>> The only big change is in your mind.

> It's in my mind that it's a big change to go from not allowing a cat
> inside under any circumstances to having the cat sleep with you???

1) The cat doesn't sleep with me.
2) The changes have been incremental over the past 4 months.
   It's only been sudden if you look solely at the endpoints.

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 6:25:27 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
 > Adam wrote:

>> plotinka wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>I knew that you had been becoming more intimate with NC, but I don't
>>>>think I knew what happened to make the big change.
>>>>
>>>The only big change is in your mind.
>>>
>>
>> It's in my mind that it's a big change to go from not allowing a cat
>> inside under any circumstances to having the cat sleep with you???


>         I think that's a big change, and I don't care what you think,
> so there!

You are stupid, Rita! You must be the child of foreigners.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 6:25:27 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>  > Adam wrote:
>
>
>>>plotinka wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I knew that you had been becoming more intimate with NC, but I don't
>>>>>think I knew what happened to make the big change.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>The only big change is in your mind.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>It's in my mind that it's a big change to go from not allowing a cat
>>>inside under any circumstances to having the cat sleep with you???
>>>
>
>
>>        I think that's a big change, and I don't care what you think,
>>so there!
>>
>
> You are stupid, Rita! You must be the child of foreigners.
>


        You will all be sorry you started this war, Alyce!

(hey, have you noticed that Theo says the same 10 things
over and over?)




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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 6:49:09 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 6:25:27 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>  > Adam wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>plotinka wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>I knew that you had been becoming more intimate with NC, but I don't
>>>>>>think I knew what happened to make the big change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>The only big change is in your mind.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>It's in my mind that it's a big change to go from not allowing a cat
>>>>inside under any circumstances to having the cat sleep with you???
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>        I think that's a big change, and I don't care what you think,
>>>so there!
>>>
>>
>> You are stupid, Rita! You must be the child of foreigners.
>>


>         You will all be sorry you started this war, Alyce!

> (hey, have you noticed that Theo says the same 10 things
> over and over?)

No! She's more imaginative than that.

ET #3

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Oh, at least I never say ugly things like you people.  But
>>that's the last I'm going to say about this and I mean it!
>>So there.
>>
>
> What?  Did you not see Tushar's irony?  But then you were educated in
> the USA, weren't you.  And that is sad.  Back in The Old Country
> students learned about things like that.  But don't pay any attention to
> me.  As I've already said, my gggggg-grandparents were just ignorant
> furriners, so what do I know?
>


        As a stupid person, I am unable to perceive irony.




--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 6:49:09 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>
>>>Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 6:25:27 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>> > Adam wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>plotinka wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>I knew that you had been becoming more intimate with NC, but I don't
>>>>>>>think I knew what happened to make the big change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>The only big change is in your mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>It's in my mind that it's a big change to go from not allowing a cat
>>>>>inside under any circumstances to having the cat sleep with you???
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>       I think that's a big change, and I don't care what you think,
>>>>so there!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>You are stupid, Rita! You must be the child of foreigners.
>>>
>>>
>
>
>>        You will all be sorry you started this war, Alyce!
>>
>
>>(hey, have you noticed that Theo says the same 10 things
>>over and over?)
>>
>
> No! She's more imaginative than that.


        Only when her offspring and the nursing home were stealing
from her, though.




--
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rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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At 07:16 PM 4/1/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:

>Hey shut up stupid ... weg wezen

How ironic.

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02003-04-01 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >>       Oh, at least I never say ugly things like you people.  But
> >>that's the last I'm going to say about this and I mean it!
> >>So there.
> >
> >What?  Did you not see Tushar's irony?  But then you were educated in
> >the USA, weren't you.  And that is sad.  Back in The Old Country
> >students learned about things like that.  But don't pay any attention to
> >me.  As I've already said, my gggggg-grandparents were just ignorant
> >furriners, so what do I know?
>
>        As a stupid person, I am unable to perceive irony.

Hey shut up stupid ... weg wezen

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Why did you think Survivor was on Wednesday?

Karen

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02003-04-01 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 07:16 PM 4/1/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >Hey shut up stupid ... weg wezen
>
> How ironic.

Excuse me all to hell. Didn't realize how appallingly stupid you were.
Silly me. I should have known what to expect from a sports-watching
pizza-eating couch potato.

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Please check out this website and consider joining the approximately
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>Why did you think Survivor was on Wednesday?
>Karen

Because it has been the last two weeks.


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > But I thought she spent the night with you in bed last night.  Wasn't
> > that when the biting occurred?
>
> No. She doesn't sleep in my bed. I pet her in the living room,
> usually on the couch.

Oh.  I had misinterpreted the <incident> as having been when you were
asleep -- that she was sleeping with you.

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 8:02:58 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Oh.  I had misinterpreted the <incident> as having been when you were
> asleep -- that she was sleeping with you.

No. *She* had been asleep. She thinks of me as her Nice Warm
Pillow.

ET #3

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Hey shut up stupid ... weg wezen

That should be written as one word.  Are you stupid or something?  Oh,
that's right.  You're just an ignorant foreigner.  But hey -- don't
ignorant foreigners have superior educations?

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Why did you think Survivor was on Wednesday?

Because it has been for the past couple of weeks.  Is it back to
Thursday now?

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Why did you think Survivor was on Wednesday?
> >Karen
>
> Because it has been the last two weeks.

But I had already figured out, btw, that it might change back now that
basketball season is over.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Because it has been the last two weeks.
>
> Two weeks? I thought it was only one week. But I also forgot to
> tape it the last time.

Even I, stupid and mutant, figured out that it had to do with the NCAA
tournament.  What I didn't remember, though, was that that tournament is
presumably now down to playing on just the weekend -- as in not
involving a Thursday.  I had thought about that earlier today but hadn't
checked it out.

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>Because it has been for the past couple of weeks.  Is it back to
>Thursday now? -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Yes, it is back to Thursday.   The dancing hoop players don't dance on week
nights anymore.


    --bonniev

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When I was out of town recently we received
a call from our good Canadian friends in
Winnipeg.    Gene took it, and could not repeat
later everything they said, but told me they
were very sad and had called to apologize
for recent comments and attitudes out of
Canada.  They said they were ashamed of
some things being said up there. They are
good Canadians, but they felt bad to the 
extent they feared our friendship might be affected. 

 Not.

                - D. M.

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 8:01:49 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>Why did you think Survivor was on Wednesday?
>>Karen

> Because it has been the last two weeks.

Two weeks? I thought it was only one week. But I also forgot to
tape it the last time.

ET #3

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--bonniev:
>The dancing hoop players don't dance on week nights anymore.

'cepfer Monday.

--
Richard                  "the g is silent"

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Back in the mid Seventies Mom had a job working 3:30 - 11:30
at night.  We had a kitty named Tarot (he was one of Siegi's
offspring) who would sleep on my lap when I would wait up for
Mom.  Maybe that's what Karen's cat was doing, just sleeping
in her lap.

Evelyn Duncan
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The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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<http://www3.warblogging.com/archives/000595.php>:

Eleven days ago Maher (Mike) Hawash, an American citizen, was "detained" as
a "material witness" by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Joint
Terrorism Task Force near his car at Intel Corporation's Hawthorne Farms
parking lot. Even as FBI agents slapped the handcuffs on Mr. Hawash more
agents in full battle gear carrying assault rifles woke Mr. Hawash's wife,
Lisa, and their three children. The FBI agents then proceeded to search
their home.

Since that Thursday Mike Hawash has been held at a federal prison in
Sheridan, Oregon.

Mike has not been charged with a crime and all of the evidence used against
him has been sealed by a federal court at the request of the Department of
Justice. He will not be judged by a jury of his peers. He has not even been
accused of doing anything wrong. He is being detained based on a twisted
application of the material witness statute, which was originally intended
for use to prevent witnesses to a crime from fleeing to avoid testifying in
court.

[etc....]

also see:

<http://www.freemikehawash.org/>
<http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/104825159914540.xml>
<http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/sasia/text/1024tr.htm>

Pete

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Even though I try not to go to bed before 9:30, just like I try not to
get up before 4:30, I'm going to bed now.  Two quotations have been
floating around in my head non-stop for a good while now:  "First they
came for..." and "All's fair in love and war."

Can't check my pulse because I kill it when I try to do it in my wrist
and I couldn't figure out from that url (though I do thank Karen for
trying) where in my neck to find it.  Besides, what difference would it
make if I knew what my pulse rate was?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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William Branigin, a Washington Post reporter embedded with the 3rd Infantry
Division, gives another account of the vehicle that didn't stop.  He writes
that there weren't any warning shots fired (don't know how much that really
matters), and includes some other details:

<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61229-2003Mar31.html>

Pete

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> And another thing re detainees -- can the people who talk about Iraqi
> mistreatment of POWs spell Guantanamo?  Well, maybe not.  That might
be
> asking too much.
>
>     Despairingly yours,
> --
>  -- Natalie

What is the complaint about Guantanamo?

            - D. M.

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And another thing re detainees -- can the people who talk about Iraqi
mistreatment of POWs spell Guantanamo?  Well, maybe not.  That might be
asking too much.

    Despairingly yours,
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 07:31 PM 4/1/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:

>Excuse me all to hell. Didn't realize how appallingly stupid you were.
>Silly me. I should have known what to expect from a sports-watching
>pizza-eating couch potato.

Just add it to your T.S. list and mail it to your chaplain.

cwv

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 9:19:10 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> William Branigin, a Washington Post reporter embedded with the 3rd Infantry
> Division, gives another account of the vehicle that didn't stop.  He writes
> that there weren't any warning shots fired (don't know how much that really
> matters), and includes some other details:

It matters a lot to me to know that someone at least tried to do
the right thing and didn't act only out of fear.

ET #3

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> I'm gelous.  We have no such exemption.

That is odd. THey have it in Illinois and Missouri, I know.

alyce

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That is the oncologist. He is Vietnamese. He has a lovely dimple and
looks a little bit Buddha-like, but not so fat, just a little pudgy. He
had a cancellation so I saw him yesterday instead of two weeks from now.
--
alyce

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>That is the oncologist. He is Vietnamese. He has a lovely dimple and
>looks a little bit Buddha-like, but not so fat, just a little pudgy. He
>had a cancellation so I saw him yesterday instead of two weeks from now.
>alyce

And what options did Dr. Vu have for you?


    --bonniev

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 9:30:10 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> That is the oncologist. He is Vietnamese. He has a lovely dimple and
> looks a little bit Buddha-like, but not so fat, just a little pudgy. He
> had a cancellation so I saw him yesterday instead of two weeks from now.

I'm so glad, Alyce. I really hated the idea of you waiting so
long to see him.

ET #3

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On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, John Williams wrote:

JMW> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
JMW>
JMW> > I'm sorry we burnt down your White House during the war of 1812.
JMW> > I notice you've rebuilt it! It's very nice.
JMW>
JMW>     But you didn't.  It was the British.  (Who lost the war, BTW.)
JMW>     Is this the level of Canadian scholarship these days?

        I don't know about Canadian scholarship, but wasn't Canada a
British possession at the time, and doesn't it remain part of the British
Commonwealth today?  Still, kind of a stretch, as Canada is not truly part
of the UK.  Is this that comedic license thing again?

        Why is it material to discuss who won or lost that war of
1812-1814?  At any rate, I don't think there was a clear winner or loser.
>From what I know, the war ended with a treaty that more or less preserved
the status quo.  If anybody, I'd say the US lost, since US troops didn't
succeed in taking any British territory, while the British took parts of
Maine and New York, burned Buffalo and Washington, and blockaded the
Northeast.  But the British gave back the territory, mostly.  Some islands
might have changed hands.

--
Take care,
Tom Lee (flint@kiva.net)
They couldn't take Baltimore, though, and thus we have a national anthem

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14:16 01.04.2003 -0500 skrev Carolyn Ostrander:

>> > *Conduct the Universal Plant Edibility Test
>>
>> I want to know what this is!
>
>And also the survival rate for its users. I had a friend who
>picked wild mushrooms every spring for years....

As long as you *know* that you have a russula sp. in your hand there is an edibility test. But the important thing here is to make sure that you know that a mushroom is a russula.

Espen - who has picked wild mushrooms every autumn since the late 1950ies

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14:21 01.04.2003 -0500 skrev Paul R. Barfoot:
>> > > *Conduct the Universal Plant Edibility Test
>> >
>> > I want to know what this is!
>>
>> And also the survival rate for its users. I had a friend who
>> picked wild mushrooms every spring for years....
>>
>> clo
>
>My Siberian Gypsy housemate has a series of tests for mushroom edibility but he
>hasn't exactly described them to me.  I know one of his rules is that if the mushroom
>has been nibbled by some other creature it is safe for nibbling by humans.  I would
>not have confidence in such a rule myself, but he has never been poisoned, so...

I believe that there must be some additional tests, e.g. for a group of mushrooms that look more or less like X, then if they have been nibbled by other creatures, they are safe. For some combinations of mushrooms and creatures humans can die.

Espen

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13:19 01.04.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 1:16:01 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> Karen Kay wrote:
>>> Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 8:38:25 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>>> >> *Make a rabbit stick
>>>
>>> >What is a rabbit stick?
>
>> If it's what they taught in the American Boys Handy Book, it's
>> the "kill" part of a deadfall trap - in other words, a pointy stick
>> to kill small animals with.
>
>Ah.
>
>>> >> *Start a fire with a bow and drill
>>>
>>> >Where do you plug the drill in?
>
>> Ha Ha. An incomplete education? a stick you wrap the string around,
>> permitting you to spin it quickly enough to build the friction to start
>> a
>> fire in tinder at it's base.
>
>This one, I knew. I was just <joking>.
>
>>> > *Conduct the Universal Plant Edibility Test
>>>
>>> I want to know what this is!
>
>> And also the survival rate for its users. I had a friend who
>> picked wild mushrooms every spring for years....
>
>Espen is a mushroomer.

I thought I was a b-boomer.

Espen

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21:43 31.03.2003 -0600 skrev Tushar Samant:
>02003-03-31 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
>> Okay, here's one: If the premise is false, can one have confidence
>> in the conclusion?
>
>Yes.

P implies Q
Given NOT P we don't know anything about the value of Q.

Espen

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---- Original Message -----
From: Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU>
> First Karen won't admit to knowing anyone who drops acid,

Why do you seem obsessed with this? FWIW, I've dropped acid a good number of times. And enjoyed it. I take it you have too? Is that what you want to tell us?

Marie

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----- Original Message -----
From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> "Minority Report" rings no bells.

Here's an IMDB summary: "Based on a Philip K. Dick short story, Minority Report is about a cop in the future working in a division of the police department that arrests killers before they commit the crimes courtesy of some future viewing technology. Cruise's character has the tables turned on him when he is accused of a future crime and must find out what brought it about and stop it before it can happen."

>Wasn't "Sixth Sense" the one about
> the little boy with the <interesting> ending?  If so, yes, I've
> seen it.

Yep, that's the one.

Marie

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> ---- Original Message -----
> >From: Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU>
> >> First Karen won't admit to knowing anyone who drops acid,
> >>now you disavow all knowledge of basic poaching principles.
> >>Do all Americans lie like you?
>
>
> >Why do you seem obsessed with this? FWIW, I've dropped
> >acid a good number of times. And enjoyed it. I take it you have
> >too? Is that what you want to tell us?
>
> >Marie

LOL!
fwiw, I was just using parallelism to strengthen my joke
about Natalie not knowing rabbit hunters.

Recap:
Somebody jumped to the conclusion that I was alluding to/
boasting about dropping acid when I responded to a post
about EKAT. I followed up w/ a joke about Austin culture
back when, which was interpreted as a serious comment
on the makeup of Karen's book group. When I clarified
my original post, this was followed by comparisons between
myself  and Shoshana.

What to do? a) be defensive; b) be so hurt I can't stand to
have it mentioned, but keep repeating that it's my last
word on the subject; c) laugh at myself and let it be part
of what gets talked about. I choose (c), but if that's
obsession, so be it.

To the best of my recollection, my primary self-reference
to partaking of substances is an offer to drink with Tushar,
which has been soundly rebuffed.

clo

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---- Original Message -----
From: Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU>
> LOL!
> fwiw, I was just using parallelism to strengthen my joke
> about Natalie not knowing rabbit hunters.

Fell flat.

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> ---- Original Message -----
> From: Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU>
> > LOL!
> > fwiw, I was just using parallelism to strengthen my joke
> > about Natalie not knowing rabbit hunters.
>
> Fell flat.

Not all ideas are good.
Not all jokes are funny.
The paved road to hell.

clo

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > And another thing re detainees -- can the people who talk about Iraqi
> > mistreatment of POWs spell Guantanamo?  Well, maybe not.  That might
> be
> > asking too much.
> >
> >     Despairingly yours,
> > --
> >  -- Natalie
>
> What is the complaint about Guantanamo?

    The air conditioning was set too low.  And anyone who equates that with
a rifle round through the forehead is a moral bankrupt.

JMW

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Rescued.  She has two broken legs and
one broken arm.  She must have some
story to tell.

                  - D. M.

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Tom Lee:
>Why is it material to discuss who won or lost that war of 1812-1814?

Well, there's no question who won the overtime
period in 1815.

>They couldn't take Baltimore, though, and thus we have a national anthem

...and all we got was yet another execrable song
from Johnny Horton.

obTrivia: The guy who wrote that song married
Mizz O-draaay Williams after Hank died.

--
Richard                    minim

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At 09:54 AM 4/1/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > Basketball is over.  It's baseball time!
>
>
>Not here it ain't
>
>BrP

Not for UCONN women's fans!!!

lisa





> >
> > 1. RICE (40) (28-1)                      1024     1
> > 2. FLORIDA STATE (28-5)                   908     5
> > 3. ARIZONA STATE (34-6)                   893     2
> > 4. CAL STATE-FULLERTON (24-6)             867     4
> > 5. MISSISSIPPI STATE (22-3-1)             780    10
> >
> > from: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/college/news/2003/usabb/
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 12:52 PM 4/1/2003 -0600, you wrote:

> > *Conduct the Universal Plant Edibility Test
>
>I want to know what this is!
>
>ET #3

So did I so I looked it up this morning. It's a pain in the ass. By the
time you're done testing, you'll either have poisoned yourself or starved
to death.

lisa

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Rick "I was mistaken again" Blaine:
> obTrivia: The guy who wrote that song married
> Mizz O-draaay Williams after Hank died.

There seems to be a leak in my skull.  'Twas
Johnny Horton hisseff who wed the widder Williams.

Just so you know.

--
Richard                    minim

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At 01:58 PM 4/1/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > To report a good thing-He won't appeal the California Oil Drilling Ban.
>
>I am mostly astonished to hear that any piece of his consciousness is
>engaged by
>events outside of Iraq.
>
>
>BrP

Even after it's defeat this week (or was it late lat week?) he still wants
to pursue drilling in Alaska.

lisa

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Espen the Educator:
> P implies Q
> Given NOT P we don't know anything about the value of Q.

Ah!  Of course.

I was adding something to the problem
that had not been specified.

--
Richard                    minim

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lisa:
> he still to pursue drilling in Alaska.

Well, the dinosaur juice has to come from
somewhere, and as long as all these addicts
won't wake up to that fact, we're going to
be stuck with these kinds of shitty choices.

--
Hobson

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http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0314/hentoff.php

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John Williams wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > > And another thing re detainees -- can the people who talk about Iraqi
> > > mistreatment of POWs spell Guantanamo?  Well, maybe not.  That might
> > be
> > > asking too much.
> > >
> > >     Despairingly yours,
> > > --
> > >  -- Natalie
> >
> > What is the complaint about Guantanamo?
>
>     The air conditioning was set too low.  And anyone who equates that with
> a rifle round through the forehead is a moral bankrupt.
>
> JMW

<http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jan2003/guan-j03.shtml>
<http://www.philly.com/mld/ohio/2002/08/07/news/4796200.htm>
<http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/04152002_nw_prisoners.html>

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> John Williams wrote:
>
> > Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > > > And another thing re detainees -- can the people who talk about Iraqi
> > > > mistreatment of POWs spell Guantanamo?  Well, maybe not.  That might
> > > be
> > > > asking too much.
> > > >
> > > >     Despairingly yours,
> > > > --
> > > >  -- Natalie
> > >
> > > What is the complaint about Guantanamo?
> >
> >     The air conditioning was set too low.  And anyone who equates that with
> > a rifle round through the forehead is a moral bankrupt.
> >
> > JMW
>
> <http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jan2003/guan-j03.shtml>

    Oh, this is rich.  Couldn't find anybody with an axe to grind?

> <http://www.philly.com/mld/ohio/2002/08/07/news/4796200.htm>

    Check the date.  Last I heard they'd been sent home.

> <http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/04152002_nw_prisoners.html>

    Here's your money graph:


> The camp has been inspected by officials from the International
>                  Committee of the Red Cross.
>

    Find the Red Cross report on the status of *our* POWs.  If they can find any
alive, that is.  Or how they feel about ambulances being used as assault
vehicles.


JMW

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At 07:49 AM 4/2/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
>Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > > And another thing re detainees -- can the people who talk about Iraqi
> > > mistreatment of POWs spell Guantanamo?  Well, maybe not.  That might
> > be
> > > asking too much.
> > >
> > >     Despairingly yours,
> > > --
> > >  -- Natalie
> >
> > What is the complaint about Guantanamo?
>
>     The air conditioning was set too low.  And anyone who equates that with
>a rifle round through the forehead is a moral bankrupt.
>
>JMW

I've been trying to avoid most of the war news but this morning when I
heard about the rescue of Jessica it really got to me.  The feelings that
Natalie has been talking about-desperation, sadness.  Hmm, maybe that was
Janet.

Betty

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>Rescued.  She has two broken legs and
>one broken arm.  She must have some
>story to tell.                  - D. M.

And multiple gun shot wounds from the rescue.   But thank God she is
alive.  Sounds like it was quite a dramatic rescue.  She's only 19 and
looks about 12.


    --bonniev

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Bonnie writes,

>And multiple gun shot wounds from the rescue.

The reports are generally that the gunshot wounds came from the Iraqi
ambush when she was captured -- she already had them when rescued by
special forces.

>But thank God she is alive.  Sounds like it was quite a dramatic
>rescue.  She's only 19 and looks about 12.

Some headlines read "Teen PoW" or "Teenage PoW".

Pete

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On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, John Williams wrote:

> > > > What is the complaint about Guantanamo?
> > >
> > >     The air conditioning was set too low.

John,

Thank you for stating your gut responses so forcefully.

I am fully aware of the fact that terrible things are happening to
Americans in Iraq, and I carefully chose links that could not be set up in
comparison to that.

Your sardonic retort regarding Guantanamo - that the only issue was air
conditioning - seemed unhelpful to me, so I provided some links to
discussion of some of the issues, in response to the question "What is the
complaint about Guantanamo?".

I made no argument of any kind.

clo

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> Bonnie writes,
>
> >And multiple gun shot wounds from the rescue.
>
> The reports are generally that the gunshot wounds came from the Iraqi
> ambush when she was captured -- she already had them when rescued by
> special forces.
>
> >But thank God she is alive.  Sounds like it was quite a dramatic
> >rescue.  She's only 19 and looks about 12.
>
> Some headlines read "Teen PoW" or "Teenage PoW".
>
> Pete

The tabloids will probably
use Teen Pow Wow.

         - D. M.

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> I made no argument of any kind.

jeez, you're a lamer.

--
Richard                    minim

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Doris Markland wrote:

> What is the complaint about Guantanamo?

Very quick answer -- my mail is messed up, and I'm behind:  The
complaints have been myriad.  Surely your head isn't in the sand enough
to be unaware of them.  Check out Amnesty International, for one
source.  And there was Rumsfeld's invention of the term "enemy
combatant" in order to ignore laws/resolutions/whatever re POWs.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:

> > I made no argument of any kind.
>
> jeez, you're a lamer.
>
> --
> Richard                    minim

I trust you'll find that I make arguments without hesitation
when I feel it's appropriate.
clo

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> I trust you'll find that I make arguments
> without hesitation when I feel it's appropriate.

But until them, you'll keep making these
faux-inscrutable pronouncements, and then
crawfishing away from them.

O.K., I'm cool with that.

--
Richard                    minim

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:

> > I trust you'll find that I make arguments
> > without hesitation when I feel it's appropriate.
>
> But until them, you'll keep making these
> faux-inscrutable pronouncements, and then
> crawfishing away from them.
>
> O.K., I'm cool with that.
>
> --
> Richard                    minim

What is inscrutable?
A question was thrown out - I obliged with some links that
might help answer the question.

clo

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Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 9:07:12 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 12:52 PM 4/1/2003 -0600, you wrote:

>> > *Conduct the Universal Plant Edibility Test
>>
>>I want to know what this is!
>>
>>ET #3

> So did I so I looked it up this morning. It's a pain in the ass. By the
> time you're done testing, you'll either have poisoned yourself or starved
> to death.

http://www.aircav.com/survival/asch09/asch09p04.html#fig9_5

It's actually quite sensible.

ET #3

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 5:30:18 PM, Tom Lee wrote:
> Rick Mercer left the show in 2001.  It was Colin Mochrie.  The original

I love Colin Mochrie.

ET #3

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 9:07:12 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > At 12:52 PM 4/1/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >> > *Conduct the Universal Plant Edibility Test
> >>
> >>I want to know what this is!
> >>
> >>ET #3
>
> > So did I so I looked it up this morning. It's a pain in the ass. By the
> > time you're done testing, you'll either have poisoned yourself or starved
> > to death.
>
> http://www.aircav.com/survival/asch09/asch09p04.html#fig9_5
>
> It's actually quite sensible.
>
> ET #3

Karen,
Thanks for the useful URL. It saved me time.
While the logic is evident, I do see why Lisa says you might starve
before completing the test. It takes a lot of discipline to be starving
in the wild and wait a round of days before eating!
clo

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > What is the complaint about Guantanamo?
>
> Very quick answer -- my mail is messed up, and I'm behind:  The
> complaints have been myriad.  Surely your head isn't in the sand
enough
> to be unaware of them.  Check out Amnesty International, for one
> source.  And there was Rumsfeld's invention of the term "enemy
> combatant" in order to ignore laws/resolutions/whatever re POWs.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

That's not nice, Natalie.  Because I asked you
to state the complaint does not mean my head
is in the sand.  I wanted to know if you were
upset because some should not or do not need
to be held any longer, or if your thought they
were being mistreated at Guantanamo.

                  - D. M.

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Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 11:50:42 AM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Karen,
> Thanks for the useful URL. It saved me time.
> While the logic is evident, I do see why Lisa says you might starve
> before completing the test. It takes a lot of discipline to be starving
> in the wild and wait a round of days before eating!

It seems unlikely to me that anyone who knows this test would be
alone in the woods without any recognizable trees or plants
around them. YMMV.

ET #3

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----- Original Message -----
From: bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM>
Date: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:55 pm
Subject: lucy the Margate elephant

> Has anyone seen Lucy the giant elephant statue south of Atlantic
> City?   I
> never even heard of her until she was mentioned in this Doris
> Grumbach book
> I'm reading.   Of course, she has a web page.

Of course I have. I dropped acid in Margate.  8-)

Marie

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> >
> >I have heard many stories about bad trips putting people in mental
> >hospitals, I wonder if it just made their existing problems worse.
> >
> >
> >alec
>
> And what about the ones that escaped or never got locked up? Where are they?


running the country

:-(


BrP

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a very cool site:
-----------------------------------------
Playing With Time is an exciting, new project that looks at how the world
around you is changing over many different time periods. The project consists of
two major parts: this web site and a traveling museum exhibit. The site is being
developed by Red Hill Studios. The exhibit is a collaboration between Red Hill
and the Science Museum of Minnesota.
Here at the Playing With Time web site, unseen worlds of change will be
revealed. You will see time sped up and slowed down, and behold the beauty of
change. Time will be in your hands to witness, replay, and even create. You
never know... you might not look at things quite the same way again.
--------------------------------


playingwithtime.org


Check out Cape Cod over 7,000 years. Too bad there isn't one of the Maine Coast

BrP

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to Karen Mugglestone

Publication Year: 2003
Publisher: Oxford University Press
           http://www.oup-usa.org/

Book URL: http://www.oup-usa.org/isbn/0199250618.html

Author: Lynda  Mugglestone, Oxford University

Hardback: ISBN: 0199250618, Pages: 352 pp, Price: $55.00
Comment: Second Edition

Abstract:

TALKING PROPER is a history of the rise and fall of the English accent
as a badge of cultural, social, and class identity. Lynda Mugglestone
traces the origins of the phenomenon in late eighteenth-century
London, follows its history through the nineteenth and twentieth
centuries, and charts its downfall during the era of New Labor. This
is a witty, readable account of a fascinating subject, liberally
spiced with quotations from English speech and writing over the past
250 years.

"A meticulously researched account of the history of accent as a
social symbol."--David Crystal, Times Higher Education
Supplement

"Lynda Mugglestone's Talking Proper is written proper, happy to say,
and can be understood even by the laity."--Times Literary
Supplement

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Is this (or will it be) a bookclub selection?

BrP




> to Karen Mugglestone
>
> Publication Year: 2003
> Publisher: Oxford University Press
>            http://www.oup-usa.org/
>
> Book URL: http://www.oup-usa.org/isbn/0199250618.html
>
> Author: Lynda  Mugglestone, Oxford University
>
> Hardback: ISBN: 0199250618, Pages: 352 pp, Price: $55.00
> Comment: Second Edition
>
> Abstract:
>
> TALKING PROPER is a history of the rise and fall of the English accent
> as a badge of cultural, social, and class identity. Lynda Mugglestone
> traces the origins of the phenomenon in late eighteenth-century
> London, follows its history through the nineteenth and twentieth
> centuries, and charts its downfall during the era of New Labor. This
> is a witty, readable account of a fascinating subject, liberally
> spiced with quotations from English speech and writing over the past
> 250 years.
>
> "A meticulously researched account of the history of accent as a
> social symbol."--David Crystal, Times Higher Education
> Supplement
>
> "Lynda Mugglestone's Talking Proper is written proper, happy to say,
> and can be understood even by the laity."--Times Literary
> Supplement

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>Of course I have. I dropped acid in Margate.  8-)
>Marie

Did you then climb up inside of her and look out the eye?  Even though I
was a philosophy grad student for many years, I never dropped acid.   But I
did once have a very intelligent and verbally gifted philosophy professor
describe an acid trip he had taken some years before.  It sounded
fascinating.  But I was certain that my psyche was a little too troubled to
pull off a safe and happy acid trip.  Also I knew people who knew people
who were locked away forever after one too many acid trips.


    --bonniev

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At 01:34 PM 4/2/2003 -0500, Marie Ascher wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM>
>Date: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:55 pm
>Subject: lucy the Margate elephant
>
> > Has anyone seen Lucy the giant elephant statue south of Atlantic
> > City?   I
> > never even heard of her until she was mentioned in this Doris
> > Grumbach book
> > I'm reading.   Of course, she has a web page.
>
>Of course I have. I dropped acid in Margate.  8-)

LOL.  I wasn't even offered any but I would have been too afraid anyway.

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Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 1:26:01 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> Is this (or will it be) a bookclub selection?

No. We only do paperbacks.

Karen Mugglestone

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At 01:54 PM 4/2/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Of course I have. I dropped acid in Margate.  8-)
>>Marie
>
>Did you then climb up inside of her and look out the eye?  Even though I
>was a philosophy grad student for many years, I never dropped acid.   But I
>did once have a very intelligent and verbally gifted philosophy professor
>describe an acid trip he had taken some years before.  It sounded
>fascinating.  But I was certain that my psyche was a little too troubled to
>pull off a safe and happy acid trip.  Also I knew people who knew people
>who were locked away forever after one too many acid trips.
>
>
>    --bonniev

Many have since become Wordslers and Professors.

Betty

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Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 1:34:15 PM, Betty Clark wrote:

> At 01:54 PM 4/2/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Of course I have. I dropped acid in Margate.  8-)
>>>Marie
>>
>>Did you then climb up inside of her and look out the eye?  Even though I
>>was a philosophy grad student for many years, I never dropped acid.   But I
>>did once have a very intelligent and verbally gifted philosophy professor
>>describe an acid trip he had taken some years before.  It sounded
>>fascinating.  But I was certain that my psyche was a little too troubled to
>>pull off a safe and happy acid trip.  Also I knew people who knew people
>>who were locked away forever after one too many acid trips.
>>
>>
>>    --bonniev

> Many have since become Wordslers and Professors.

Not my cousin. He's still in an institution.

ET #3

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >
> >>> Many have since become Wordslers and Professors.
> >
> >>Not my cousin. He's still in an institution.
> >
> >>ET #3
> >
>
> >I have heard many stories about bad trips putting people in mental
> >hospitals, I wonder if it just made their existing problems worse.

I'd guess that's the case with the three I knew. None are still
institutionalized, but all had extremely anxious or depressed
characteristics before getting high the first time.
clo

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>
>> Many have since become Wordslers and Professors.
>
>Not my cousin. He's still in an institution.
>
>ET #3
>

I have heard many stories about bad trips putting people in mental
hospitals, I wonder if it just made their existing problems worse.


alec

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At 11:34 AM 4/2/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>At 01:54 PM 4/2/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Of course I have. I dropped acid in Margate.  8-)
>>>Marie
>>
>>Did you then climb up inside of her and look out the eye?  Even though I
>>was a philosophy grad student for many years, I never dropped acid.   But I
>>did once have a very intelligent and verbally gifted philosophy professor
>>describe an acid trip he had taken some years before.  It sounded
>>fascinating.  But I was certain that my psyche was a little too troubled to
>>pull off a safe and happy acid trip.  Also I knew people who knew people
>>who were locked away forever after one too many acid trips.
>>
>>
>>    --bonniev
>
>Many have since become Wordslers and Professors.

And librarians.  Don't forget the librarians!

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At 02:52 PM 4/2/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >> Many have since become Wordslers and Professors.
> >
> >Not my cousin. He's still in an institution.
> >
> >ET #3
> >
>
>I have heard many stories about bad trips putting people in mental
>hospitals, I wonder if it just made their existing problems worse.
>
>
>alec

And what about the ones that escaped or never got locked up? Where are they?

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Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 2:00:07 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> And what about the ones that escaped or never got locked up? Where are they?

In the hills around La Honda!

ET #3

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> At 11:34 AM 4/2/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >At 01:54 PM 4/2/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >>>Of course I have. I dropped acid in Margate.  8-)
> >>>Marie
> >>
> >>Did you then climb up inside of her and look out the eye?  Even though I
> >>was a philosophy grad student for many years, I never dropped acid.   But I
> >>did once have a very intelligent and verbally gifted philosophy professor
> >>describe an acid trip he had taken some years before.  It sounded
> >>fascinating.  But I was certain that my psyche was a little too troubled to
> >>pull off a safe and happy acid trip.  Also I knew people who knew people
> >>who were locked away forever after one too many acid trips.
> >>
> >>
> >>    --bonniev
> >
> >Many have since become Wordslers and Professors.
>
> And librarians.  Don't forget the librarians!

So that's what I did to end up here.

BrP

Paul R. Barfoot
Special Collections
Syracuse University Library

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>  This is absolutely the last thing I'm going to say
> about it.

Let us hope.
alyce

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bonniev wrote:
> And what options did Dr. Vu have for you?

Two. Do nothing and die, or do chemo and die. Six-12 months. I think
they tell that to everyone. He also said to have all of my affairs in
order now. I have to have a brain scan and a bone scan. If it has not
spread to brain and/or bone, I can do chemo "light," which is less toxic
than the usual, but just extends life a little bit. Scans are on the
10th. Have to have a port put in for IVs or taking blood as my veins are
thin threads and impossible to use any more. That requires surgery,
which is to be next Monday. Meanwhile, I have an infection and am on
antibiotics, have a fever that is draining me. And that is why I am
pretty silent. You don't need to hear me moan any more.

alyce

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02003-04-02 | Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> writes:
> 21:43 31.03.2003 -0600 skrev Tushar Samant:
> >02003-03-31 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> >> Okay, here's one: If the premise is false, can one have confidence
> >> in the conclusion?
> >
> >Yes.
>
> P implies Q
> Given NOT P we don't know anything about the value of Q.

You have not noticed the diabolical sneakiness of MEM. He
said "if the premise is false" ... which may itself be a
false premise. After Johnny Cochran, MEM. The answer to
the question should, frankly, be a braying noise, but I
was trying to be polite. What is more polite than "yes"?

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At 03:15 PM 4/2/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>bonniev wrote:
> > And what options did Dr. Vu have for you?
>
>Two. Do nothing and die, or do chemo and die. Six-12 months. I think
>they tell that to everyone. He also said to have all of my affairs in
>order now. I have to have a brain scan and a bone scan. If it has not
>spread to brain and/or bone, I can do chemo "light," which is less toxic
>than the usual, but just extends life a little bit. Scans are on the
>10th. Have to have a port put in for IVs or taking blood as my veins are
>thin threads and impossible to use any more. That requires surgery,
>which is to be next Monday. Meanwhile, I have an infection and am on
>antibiotics, have a fever that is draining me. And that is why I am
>pretty silent. You don't need to hear me moan any more.

Oh, Alyce, I'm so sorry.  We can assure him that your brain is not
affected. No one knows what they would do in these situations until they
are faced with it. I'm glad your sister is still there to be with
you.  First thing is to take care of the infection and I'm sure you have
good antibiotics.

I'd rather hear you moan than not hear you at all.

Betty

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On 2 Apr 2003 at 14:36, Tushar Samant wrote:

> What is more polite than "yes"?

Yes, Ma'am.

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On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> I'd rather hear you moan than not hear you at all.

yes, Alyce, please adopt any style you want!  Piss & moan is ok with me -
just let us hear from you.

Ann

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> bonniev wrote:
> > And what options did Dr. Vu have for you?
>
> Two. Do nothing and die, or do chemo and die. Six-12 months. I think
> they tell that to everyone. He also said to have all of my affairs in
> order now. I have to have a brain scan and a bone scan. If it has not
> spread to brain and/or bone, I can do chemo "light," which is less
toxic
> than the usual, but just extends life a little bit. Scans are on the
> 10th. Have to have a port put in for IVs or taking blood as my veins
are
> thin threads and impossible to use any more. That requires surgery,
> which is to be next Monday. Meanwhile, I have an infection and am on
> antibiotics, have a fever that is draining me. And that is why I am
> pretty silent. You don't need to hear me moan any more.
>
> alyce

So now we hope for clear brain and bone scans.
And  hope the infection clears and they get your
energy up so you can fight.

Moan away.  I'd be moaning too, although I think
you'll have days ahead when you feel better.

One day at a time, and I hope Words-list can be
of some help to you.

               - D. M.

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> > I'd rather hear you moan than not hear you at all.
>
> yes, Alyce, please adopt any style you want!  Piss & moan is ok with me -
> just let us hear from you.
>
> Ann

Alyce,
our thoughts are with you no matter what you feel like sharing.

clo

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> On 2 Apr 2003 at 14:36, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > What is more polite than "yes"?
>
> Yes, Ma'am.


context is everything

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On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

> > On 2 Apr 2003 at 14:36, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > What is more polite than "yes"?
> >
> > Yes, Ma'am.
>
>
> context is everything

I think this remark is faux-inscrutable and also not very helpful.

Ann

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On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

> >
> >> Many have since become Wordslers and Professors.
> >
> >Not my cousin. He's still in an institution.
> >
> >ET #3
> >
>
> I have heard many stories about bad trips putting people in mental
> hospitals, I wonder if it just made their existing problems worse.
>
>
> alec
>
It's so hard to unpack all the sources of problems. I know of one friend
who was prescribed some very heavy hitting psychotropics (Thorazine) with
severe side-effects for here; once the prescription was dropped, the
symptoms improved.

clo

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> On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>
> > > On 2 Apr 2003 at 14:36, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >
> > > > What is more polite than "yes"?
> > >
> > > Yes, Ma'am.
> >
> >
> > context is everything
>
> I think this remark is faux-inscrutable and also not very helpful.
>
> Ann


Oh no. I'm very scrutable - just ask Karen.

BrP

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Doris Markland wrote:
>  What is the complaint about Guantanamo?

People held without access to counsel. Their families do not know where
they are. THey were bound together with hoods on and their pictures
shown on TV when they were transported to Cuba. They have been living
outdoors with no roof for over a year.
--------
U.S. accused of persistent human rights violations at Guantanamo Bay.
The Bush administration was accused of violating human rights afforded
by the Geneva conventions yesterday by persistently refusing to allow
600
prisoners being held at Guantanamo Bay access to lawyers, the courts or
relatives.

http://www.worldrevolution.org/article/294

alyce

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Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 2:59:55 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>> On 2 Apr 2003 at 14:36, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>> > What is more polite than "yes"?
>>
>> Yes, Ma'am.


> context is everything

Thank you, ma'am?

ET #3

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Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 3:03:27 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>> On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>>
>> > > On 2 Apr 2003 at 14:36, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > What is more polite than "yes"?
>> > >
>> > > Yes, Ma'am.
>> >
>> >
>> > context is everything
>>
>> I think this remark is faux-inscrutable and also not very helpful.
>>
>> Ann


> Oh no. I'm very scrutable - just ask Karen.

I haven't yet seen your--oh, wait.

Yes, Paul is very scrutable. Ah loves mah ET #1!:)

ET #3

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Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 2:39:17 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> Oh, Alyce, I'm so sorry.  We can assure him that your brain is not
> affected. No one knows what they would do in these situations until they
> are faced with it. I'm glad your sister is still there to be with
> you.  First thing is to take care of the infection and I'm sure you have
> good antibiotics.

> I'd rather hear you moan than not hear you at all.

Me, too, to everything that Betty said. ET's forever, Alyce!

ET #3

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> Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 3:03:27 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>
> >> On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> >>
> >> > > On 2 Apr 2003 at 14:36, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > What is more polite than "yes"?
> >> > >
> >> > > Yes, Ma'am.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > context is everything
> >>
> >> I think this remark is faux-inscrutable and also not very helpful.
> >>
> >> Ann
>
>
> > Oh no. I'm very scrutable - just ask Karen.
>
> I haven't yet seen your--oh, wait.


Yet?

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Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 3:09:53 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>> Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 3:03:27 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>>
>> >> On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > > On 2 Apr 2003 at 14:36, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > What is more polite than "yes"?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Yes, Ma'am.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > context is everything
>> >>
>> >> I think this remark is faux-inscrutable and also not very helpful.
>> >>
>> >> Ann
>>
>>
>> > Oh no. I'm very scrutable - just ask Karen.
>>
>> I haven't yet seen your--oh, wait.


> Yet?

Who can predict the future!

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of alyce cresap
>Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 3:16 PM
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>
>
>bonniev wrote:
>> And what options did Dr. Vu have for you?
>
>Two. Do nothing and die, or do chemo and die. Six-12 months. I think
>they tell that to everyone. He also said to have all of my affairs in
>order now. I have to have a brain scan and a bone scan. If it has not
>spread to brain and/or bone, I can do chemo "light," which is
>less toxic than the usual, but just extends life a little bit. Scans are on
the
>10th. Have to have a port put in for IVs or taking blood as my
>veins are thin threads and impossible to use any more. That requires
surgery,
>which is to be next Monday. Meanwhile, I have an infection and am on
>antibiotics, have a fever that is draining me. And that is why I am
>pretty silent. You don't need to hear me moan any more.
>
>alyce
>

Chemo is no fun. Hopefully, chemo light is an option. Brain, bone and lung
makes it much harder to fight, but it can be beat.
IV ports are a pain, but a very easy surgery. Be careful to keep the line
dry. It makes showering a difficult time. Infections suck, hopefully the
drugs will do the trick.

peace,

Alec

PS Heide has a scan in late April which will be the her scan after one year
after chemo. All clear so far.

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Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 3:21:37 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> PS Heide has a scan in late April which will be the her scan after one year
> after chemo. All clear so far.

YaY! Go, Heide!

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>I have heard many stories about bad trips putting people in mental
>hospitals, I wonder if it just made their existing problems worse.
>alec

That was my point about not dropping acid if you already know that you have
unresolved issues, childhood  traumas, a bad attitude, whatever.


    --bonniev

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02003-04-02 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> On 2 Apr 2003 at 14:36, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > What is more polite than "yes"?
>
> Yes, Ma'am.

Which in Indian  gets translated to "MEM".

Wow, everything kind of syncs up after a while ...

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02003-04-01 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Hey shut up stupid ... weg wezen
>
> That should be written as one word.  Are you stupid or something?
> Oh, that's right.  You're just an ignorant foreigner.  But hey --
> don't ignorant foreigners have superior educations?

I could tell you but I have already said my last on this topic.

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02003-04-02 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > > On 2 Apr 2003 at 14:36, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >
> > > > What is more polite than "yes"?
> > >
> > > Yes, Ma'am.
> >
> >
> > context is everything
>
> I think this remark is faux-inscrutable

... to STOOPIDs, yes ...

> and also not very helpful.
>
> Ann

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-02 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> > On 2 Apr 2003 at 14:36, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > What is more polite than "yes"?
> >
> > Yes, Ma'am.
>
> Which in Indian  gets translated to "MEM".
>
> Wow, everything kind of syncs up after a while ...

My gosh, what an insight! What an intellect!

clo

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At 05:05 PM 4/2/2003 -0500, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>My gosh, what an insight! What an intellect!

Your statements were clear, but your punctuation was faulty, viz:

What?  An insight?  etc.

cwv

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02003-04-02 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >I have heard many stories about bad trips putting people in mental
> >hospitals, I wonder if it just made their existing problems worse.
> >alec
>
> That was my point about not dropping acid if you already know that you
> have unresolved issues, childhood  traumas, a bad attitude, whatever.

This guy I know and worked with was telling me he would recommend it.
Then I looked at him--could have been intelligent, addle-brained, an
emotional mess, a "terrible waste of a mind". It dawned on me that
everyone I know who did it or do it systematically is a disaster. Or
more precisely, a disaster by my standards. Pot smokers just turn into
boring lamers most of the time. This is a lot worse. Salvia forever!

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02003-04-02 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 05:05 PM 4/2/2003 -0500, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> >My gosh, what an insight! What an intellect!
>
> Your statements were clear, but your punctuation was faulty, viz:
>
> What?  An insight?  etc.

I forgive you, Clyde.

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Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 4:29:45 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Salvia forever!

Unfortunately my salvia seems to have succumbed to the last
freeze we had.:(

ET #3

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Why would anyone write like this?  It sucks:

"And then opening her eyes, how fresh like frilled linen clean from a
laundry laid in wicker trays the roses looked; and dark and prim the red
carnations, holding their heads up; and all the sweet peas spreading in
their bowls, tinged violet, snow white, pale -- as if it were the evening
and girls in muslin frocks came out to pick sweet peas and roses after the
superb summer's day, with its almost blue-black sky, its delphiniums, its
carnations, its arum lilies was over; and it was the moment between six and
seven when every flower -- roses, carnations, irises, lilac -- glows;
white, violet, red deep orange; every flower seems to burn by itself,
softly, purely in the misty beds; and how she loved the grey-white moths
spinning in and out, over the cherry pie, over the evening primroses!"

    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

> Why would anyone write like this?  It sucks:
>
> "And then opening her eyes, how fresh like frilled linen clean from a
> laundry laid in wicker trays the roses looked; and dark and prim the red
> carnations, holding their heads up; and all the sweet peas spreading in
> their bowls, tinged violet, snow white, pale -- as if it were the evening
> and girls in muslin frocks came out to pick sweet peas and roses after the
> superb summer's day, with its almost blue-black sky, its delphiniums, its
> carnations, its arum lilies was over; and it was the moment between six and
> seven when every flower -- roses, carnations, irises, lilac -- glows;
> white, violet, red deep orange; every flower seems to burn by itself,
> softly, purely in the misty beds; and how she loved the grey-white moths
> spinning in and out, over the cherry pie, over the evening primroses!"
>
>     --bonniev

Paid by the word?
clo

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>Paid by the word?
>clo

I doubt it.  Well respected author and well known once she offed herself by
walking into the Thames.


    --bonniev

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Betty:
>At 09:57 AM 3/30/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:

> >I think you are right.  I liked the Doonesbury comment the other day that
> >the Stockholm Syndrome should kick in for the embedded journalists any
>day
> >now.  I also liked the short article in the New Yorker written by a
> >journalist who unembedded himself just before his unit moved into Iraq.
>He
> >decided he could leave and he would.  He didn't like the idea of being
>the
> >guinea pig who would suffer the chemical poisoning along with the rest
>but
>>who had to be there because the world would never believe the US Army had
>>been poisoned or gassed by the enemy unless a journalist reported it.  Nor
>>did he like the drill to get the mask on in nine seconds or the drill to
>>get the injection into one's major thigh muscle and hold the needle down
> >for ten seconds.  Or the idea that if you vomit into your gas mask, the
> >chunks block the outgoing tube and you die.

>You should be reporting, Bonnie.  I'm like <gagging>.

Isn't Bonnie like regurgitating?

A words post - YaY!

-rashmi


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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > > What is the complaint about Guantanamo?
> >
> > Very quick answer -- my mail is messed up, and I'm behind:  The
> > complaints have been myriad.  Surely your head isn't in the sand
> enough
> > to be unaware of them.  Check out Amnesty International, for one
> > source.  And there was Rumsfeld's invention of the term "enemy
> > combatant" in order to ignore laws/resolutions/whatever re POWs.
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
> That's not nice, Natalie.  Because I asked you
> to state the complaint does not mean my head
> is in the sand.  I wanted to know if you were
> upset because some should not or do not need
> to be held any longer, or if your thought they
> were being mistreated at Guantanamo.

Ohh.  If you had said "what is your complaint about G," I wouldn't have
answered the way I did.  Since you said "what is THE complaint," I
thought you meant that you weren't aware of the various complaints that
have been made.

My point is one that has been made by many people -- that the Guantanamo
situation put the US in an awkward position re protesting treatment of
captured soldiers.  Yes, I think it was bad that innocent people were
tossed into the cells there and kept for ages, that beards were
supposedly shaved off of the prisoners when beards are related to
religion, etc.  And then there was the pre-Guantanamo situation with the
POWs -- oops, I mean "enemy combatants" -- who were caged up in boxes
and seriously abused.  Some died, iirc.

This is not intended as a comparison in the sense of a contest between
whose abuse of prisoners is worse.  It's intended as saying that some of
the recent US handlings of prisoners make it easy for people to shout
hypocrisy when we act all prissy and virtuous about such things.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>>You should be reporting, Bonnie.  I'm like <gagging>.
>
>Isn't Bonnie like regurgitating?
>
>A words post - YaY!
>-rashmi

What a smug post.   I'm gagging Betty with my regurgitation.


    --bonniev

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>playingwithtime.org
>
>
>Check out Cape Cod over 7,000 years. Too bad there isn't one of the Maine
>Coast
>BrP

Granite doesn't change much.


    --bonniev

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Bonnie writes,

>Why would anyone write like this?  It sucks:

Dude. [Is there a better way to say that when addressing a woman?]  It's a
"moment of being."

Same sentence described elsewhere: "...a single remarkable
sentence....  The breathless nature of this single line indicates
Clarissa's intensity. Images are not neatly arranged, but spill forth
unstoppable as one image leads to another and another. Because moments of
being are immediate, they often do not allow a character to reflect or
assign meaning to them."
<http://writing.colostate.edu/assignments/archives/e505a/pop8d.htm>

Pete

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Betty Clark wrote:

> >Of course I have. I dropped acid in Margate.  8-)
>
> LOL.  I wasn't even offered any but I would have been too afraid anyway.

This reminds me of a conversation I had with a student today about how
hard he's working at his part-time jobs because he has to pay the county
$5,000 by a deadline to pay for his jailing.  He got out of jail right
before xmas, after serving for a couple of years of a five-year sentence
involving LSD and other drugs.  The way he was talking made it sound as
if jails charge for room and board but that you pay later.  I guess
maybe he meant that his sentence was a fine plus the jailing and that
the understanding is that you pay the fine after getting out.  He said
it's really hard to get out of jail with an automatic debt that has to
be paid off pretty quickly.  He's an interesting student -- and a very
smart one.  He was in one of my classes the semester he floated off to
cuckooland and vanished.  I didn't know for ages that he had ended up in
jail that semester.

But now I've gotta log off and do other things before getting back to my
glorious backlog of list mail.  I've accomplished lots today, including
grading lots of papers this afternoon, and am looking forward to the
e-feast.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> >>You should be reporting, Bonnie.  I'm like <gagging>.
> >
> >Isn't Bonnie like regurgitating?
>
> > A words post - YaY!

>What a smug post.   I'm gagging Betty with my regurgitation.

smug?! I was going for nitpicky. I'm just bored of most of the
topics so it's slim pickins.

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bonniev:

>I doubt it.  Well respected author and well known once she offed herself by
>walking into the Thames.

Ah. Is this her "stream-of-consciousness" mode of writing? I can't
stand that breathless tone/quality.

-rashmi


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> everyone I know who did it or do it systematically is a disaster. Or

It is true. I am a disaster.

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---- Original Message -----
From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2003 3:54 pm
Subject: Re: Dr. Vu

> On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> > I'd rather hear you moan than not hear you at all.
>
> yes, Alyce, please adopt any style you want!  Piss & moan is ok
> with me -
> just let us hear from you.

Hear hear! Here here!

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----- Original Message -----
> >Of course I have. I dropped acid in Margate.  8-)
>
> Did you then climb up inside of her and look out the eye

You mean that damned elephant was really there??!

Marie

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This is a simple sentence by Proustian standards.

bonniev wrote:

> Why would anyone write like this?  It sucks:
>
> "And then opening her eyes, how fresh like frilled linen clean from a
> laundry laid in wicker trays the roses looked; and dark and prim the red
> carnations, holding their heads up; and all the sweet peas spreading in
> their bowls, tinged violet, snow white, pale -- as if it were the evening
> and girls in muslin frocks came out to pick sweet peas and roses after the
> superb summer's day, with its almost blue-black sky, its delphiniums, its
> carnations, its arum lilies was over; and it was the moment between six and
> seven when every flower -- roses, carnations, irises, lilac -- glows;
> white, violet, red deep orange; every flower seems to burn by itself,
> softly, purely in the misty beds; and how she loved the grey-white moths
> spinning in and out, over the cherry pie, over the evening primroses!"
>
>    --bonniev
>


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> Karen Mugglestone

Somehow I keep thinking about when Joy changed her name to Hulga.

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On 2 Apr 2003 at 23:27, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> I'm just bored of most of the topics so it's slim pickins.

OK. Great movie, that one. Slim Pickens riding the bomb.

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alyce cresap wrote:

>  You don't need to hear me moan any more.

Yes, we do.  Moan.  And get rid of that infection.  And then prove Dr.
Vu wrong.  That does happen, you know.

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In a message dated 04/02/2003 1:30:33 PM Central Standard Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 1:26:01 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> Is this (or will it be) a bookclub selection?

No. We only do paperbacks.


>>

Quality Paperback Book Club (part of Doubleday).

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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>bonniev:
>>I doubt it.  Well respected author and well known once she offed herself by
>>walking into the Thames.
>
>Ah. Is this her "stream-of-consciousness" mode of writing? I can't
>stand that breathless tone/quality.
>-rashmi

Me either.   I'm not so sure I can finish either of the two books of hers
that I bought at The Big Chicken Barn.


    --bonniev

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Chemo is no fun.

This is clearly true in most cases, but I can report of one friend of
mine who for reasons unknown has found it not bad at all.  He said that
he had expected it to be horrible but that in fact it turned out to be
not a problem.  The last time he and I were talking about it happened to
be the day following his regular chemo, and he looked fine and said he
felt fine.  It has also worked extremely well.  The cancer that was
found on his liver and in his stomach is almost totally gone now.

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In a message dated 04/02/2003 2:56:17 PM Central Standard Time,
aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:

<<
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> I'd rather hear you moan than not hear you at all.

yes, Alyce, please adopt any style you want!  Piss & moan is ok with me -
just let us hear from you.


>>

Same here.  And there have been plenty of people who have lived
much longer than the doctors predicted.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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gets the cheese.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> smug?! I was going for nitpicky. I'm just bored of most of the
> topics so it's slim pickins.

What about Richard's mention of "crawfishing" away from something?  I
found that interesting in a wordsly way.

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Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 6:02:03 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 04/02/2003 1:30:33 PM Central Standard Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

> <<
> Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 1:26:01 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>> Is this (or will it be) a bookclub selection?

> No. We only do paperbacks.


>>>

> Quality Paperback Book Club (part of Doubleday).

Nah. Half-price Books. Or the library.

ET #3

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In a message dated 04/02/2003 3:21:55 PM Central Standard Time,
plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:

<<
PS Heide has a scan in late April which will be the her scan after one year
after chemo. All clear so far.

>>

I'm glad.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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gets the cheese.

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>smug?! I was going for nitpicky. I'm just bored of most of the
>topics so it's slim pickins.
>-rashmi

Start a new topic.   How's your love life?   Do you have your new home all
organized and unpacked?  Are there birds in your back yard?  Do you feed
them?   We had lots of birds at our feeder today after the fresh
snowfall.  Are you going to get a cat or a dog??  Have you heard from
Emily?  Has she made her room reservation for Acadiafest?


    --bonniev

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02003-04-01 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >> > My pleasure.  I don't believe a word Karen says about you.
> >>
> >> But, but!!!! I say good things!
> >
> >Dr Voigtlander, what's your opinion of the relation between
> >true and good?
>
> Tenuous, at best.

You should have said: falsest, at best.

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02003-04-02 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > everyone I know who did it or do it systematically is a disaster. Or
>
> It is true. I am a disaster.

Recovery is possible.

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02003-04-02 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> Why would anyone write like this?  It sucks:
>
> "And then opening her eyes, how fresh like frilled linen clean from a
> laundry laid in wicker trays the roses looked; and dark and prim the red
> carnations, holding their heads up; and all the sweet peas spreading in
> their bowls, tinged violet, snow white, pale -- as if it were the evening
> and girls in muslin frocks came out to pick sweet peas and roses after the
> superb summer's day, with its almost blue-black sky, its delphiniums, its
> carnations, its arum lilies was over; and it was the moment between six and
> seven when every flower -- roses, carnations, irises, lilac -- glows;
> white, violet, red deep orange; every flower seems to burn by itself,
> softly, purely in the misty beds; and how she loved the grey-white moths
> spinning in and out, over the cherry pie, over the evening primroses!"

Sounds like "lesbian literature" to me. Maybe you are too str8 to
apreeciate it.

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02003-04-02 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 06:46 PM 4/2/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >> Tenuous, at best.
> >
> >You should have said: falsest, at best.
>
> If that's the answer you wanted, why the hell did you ask the question?

To expose other people's STUPID, my usual reason to post!

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02003-04-02 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> My point is one that has been made by many people -- that the Guantanamo
> situation put the US in an awkward position re protesting treatment of
> captured soldiers.  Yes, I think it was bad that innocent people were
> tossed into the cells there and kept for ages, that beards were
> supposedly shaved off of the prisoners when beards are related to
> religion, etc.  And then there was the pre-Guantanamo situation with the
> POWs -- oops, I mean "enemy combatants" -- who were caged up in boxes
> and seriously abused.  Some died, iirc.
>
> This is not intended as a comparison in the sense of a contest between
> whose abuse of prisoners is worse.  It's intended as saying that some of
> the recent US handlings of prisoners make it easy for people to shout
> hypocrisy when we act all prissy and virtuous about such things.

Natalie, you sound really upset. Maybe you should take a break
from the media--it may cure your paranoid fantasies.

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02003-04-01 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > The guy looks at it carefully, and then says, cool, is this about
> > how to get your life in sync? What the hell do you answer to this?
> > I said, no, it's, uh, like large collections of oscillators, like
> > fireflies etc, and how they get in sync. Oh, science, he says, and
> > that's it, that's the end of the conversation. No further interest
> > after it's been labelled "science". Jeeze! Reminded me of a poetry
> > workshop I was in.
>
> Well, perhaps you are prescient. It's only a matter of time before
> popwriters begin to incorporate the notion of "everything that oscillates
> starts to sync up" into fake psychological/spiritual notions about how
> people can become one with the universe, and shortly thereafter a business
> guru looking for a new hook will incorporate that notion into a theory of
> how to get people to produce more for less money without noticing, and
> start selling it on the management circuit.
>
> In fact, why not anticipate the crowd and be the one that does it?
> It's a very lucrative "profession" (as in "I profess to be greedy enough
> to live off of businessmens' credulity without shame"). You know, like
> dianetics.
>
> oh- and coming full circle, of course the way the popwriters will get wind
> of it is that I will write a poem about it that a prof looking for a
> lucrative book title will hear at a poetry reading. Sorry!

It's OK, I forgive you. It's not that easy to become a lucrative
self-help guru. Strogatz (author of Sync) talks about several pop
fads people tried to start on the theme--they didn't think they were
fads, and Strogatz doesn't call them that either, but that's what they
were--and they sort of fizzled out. In fact, one of the things he got
involved in outside of his hard-nosed work was a discussion of how
fads catch on, and whether that is akin to "sync breaking out" in
an unruly mob of oscillators. The person who called him about this:
Alan Alda.

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> Do you have your new home all
> organized and unpacked?

I'll let Rashmeeber answer that herself, but all I have to say is
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

Hah. Hahahahahahahahahah.

As if!

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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02003-04-02 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >Paid by the word?
> >clo
>
> I doubt it.  Well respected author and well known once she offed herself by
> walking into the Thames.

Greetings, "Bonnie", how are you today. May I respectfully ask,
WHO THE HELL is it? GOD!

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02003-04-02 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> Bonnie writes,
>
> >Why would anyone write like this?  It sucks:
>
> Dude. [Is there a better way to say that when addressing a woman?]  It's a
> "moment of being."
>
> Same sentence described elsewhere: "...a single remarkable
> sentence....  The breathless nature of this single line indicates
> Clarissa's intensity. Images are not neatly arranged, but spill forth
> unstoppable as one image leads to another and another. Because moments of
> being are immediate, they often do not allow a character to reflect or
> assign meaning to them."

I thought there was some kind of elaborate simile in there somewhere
(girls in muslin frocks, or something)? That's mainly why it sucks--
it's pretending to be some kind of breathlessly intense unprocessed
sense experience or what have you, and bang, right in the middle of
it, damn cheesy-assed conventional simile.

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02003-04-02 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> This is a simple sentence by Proustian standards.

You make an interesting point, Ms Chapman. Sergio, two more espressos!

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Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 7:00:54 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-04-02 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>> This is a simple sentence by Proustian standards.

> You make an interesting point, Ms Chapman. Sergio, two more espressos!

I know you, Tush-man. You wouldn't be caught dead anywhere Sergio
was serving espresso.

Karen

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At 06:46 PM 4/2/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Tenuous, at best.
>
>You should have said: falsest, at best.

If that's the answer you wanted, why the hell did you ask the question?

cwv

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> Why would anyone write like this?  It sucks:
>
> "And then opening her eyes, how fresh like frilled linen clean from a
> laundry laid in wicker trays the roses looked; and dark and prim the
red
> carnations, holding their heads up; and all the sweet peas spreading
in
> their bowls, tinged violet, snow white, pale -- as if it were the
evening
> and girls in muslin frocks came out to pick sweet peas and roses after
the
> superb summer's day, with its almost blue-black sky, its delphiniums,
its
> carnations, its arum lilies was over; and it was the moment between
six and
> seven when every flower -- roses, carnations, irises, lilac -- glows;
> white, violet, red deep orange; every flower seems to burn by itself,
> softly, purely in the misty beds; and how she loved the grey-white
moths
> spinning in and out, over the cherry pie, over the evening primroses!"
>
>     --bonniev

Please don't make me throw up.
I'm having (eye) surgery in the morning.

              - D. M.

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02003-04-02 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 7:00:54 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-04-02 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >> This is a simple sentence by Proustian standards.
>
> > You make an interesting point, Ms Chapman. Sergio, two more espressos!
>
> I know you, Tush-man. You wouldn't be caught dead anywhere Sergio
> was serving espresso.

Ms Kay ... sometimes I think you don't know me at all.

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02003-04-02 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> Please don't make me throw up.
> I'm having (eye) surgery in the morning.

If I didn't say it already, good luck! The day is near when
we will see eye to eye on everything ...

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In a message dated 04/02/2003 7:07:50 PM Central Standard Time,
dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

<<
I'm having (eye) surgery in the morning.

>>

I hope it goes well.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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bonniev:

>Start a new topic.   How's your love life?   Do you have your new home all
>organized and unpacked?

I suck at house threads. I'm almost unpacked but there's plenty left
to do. I really need to work on the guest bedroom and the office
but the rest of the house is comfortable. I've been *thinking* of
a vegetable/herb garden but haven't done anything about it yet.
Love life's so-so. Nothing exciting.

>Are there birds in your back yard?  Do you feed
>them?  We had lots of birds at our feeder today after the fresh
>snowfall.

I don't have a feeder but see several cardinals, finches, bluebirds
and other birds I can't identify in the backyard. They looked so
pretty in the snow. I love watching the birds.

>Are you going to get a cat or a dog??

No and no. I can't give up the get-up'n'go lifestyle.

>Have you heard from Emily? Has she made her room reservation for >
>Acadiafest?

She's winding up her trip to Australia. I think she's in Sydney for
four days and then it's back to LA. (For those who missed SB,
her itinerary includes Melbourne, Tasmania, Alice Springs, Great
Barrier Reef etc etc.)

-rashmi


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Adam/LH:

> > Do you have your new home all
> > organized and unpacked?

>I'll let Rashmeeber answer that herself, but all I have to say is
>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

>Hah. Hahahahahahahahahah.

>As if!

:-) I had the same reaction to bonnie's question!

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02003-04-02 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> > Same sentence described elsewhere: "...a single remarkable
> > sentence....  The breathless nature of this single line indicates
> > Clarissa's intensity. Images are not neatly arranged, but spill forth
> > unstoppable as one image leads to another and another. Because moments of
> > being are immediate, they often do not allow a character to reflect or
> > assign meaning to them."
>
> I thought there was some kind of elaborate simile in there somewhere
> (girls in muslin frocks, or something)? That's mainly why it sucks--
> it's pretending to be some kind of breathlessly intense unprocessed
> sense experience or what have you, and bang, right in the middle of
> it, damn cheesy-assed conventional simile.

My face is radiating infra-red ... it was Virginia Woolf wasn't it?
You know why I haven't yet read a word by her? Because I got into an
argument once with some pompous oafs on usenet (I suspect they were
academics but am not eager to accuse) who were allergic to any kind
of raucous flamboyant language. I don't remember who they were calling
substandard or preferred only by unrefined tastes--hell knows--but
one of them posted a passage from Virginia Woolf as an example of
good writing. Pardon the crassness but it was so WHITE I haven't
had the stomach to read any of those books yet. By the way, did
you know the two most influential writers that they got out of a
survey of prominent literary scarecrows of the late 20th century?
Cervantes and Virginia Woolf.

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At 07:07 PM 4/2/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:

> > If that's the answer you wanted, why the hell did you ask the question?
>
>To expose other people's STUPID, my usual reason to post!

Such a bleak life you must lead...

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02003-04-02 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 07:07 PM 4/2/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >> If that's the answer you wanted, why the hell did you ask the question?
> >
> >To expose other people's STUPID, my usual reason to post!
>
> Such a bleak life you must lead...

Gee, thanks! Thank you very much indeed, and excuse me all
to pieces, stoopid American!

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> 02003-04-02 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > Please don't make me throw up.
> > I'm having (eye) surgery in the morning.
>
> If I didn't say it already, good luck! The day is near when
> we will see eye to eye on everything ...

Thanks for the first sentence.
The second one scares me a little.

             - D. M.

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02003-04-02 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > 02003-04-02 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > > Please don't make me throw up.
> > > I'm having (eye) surgery in the morning.
> >
> > If I didn't say it already, good luck! The day is near when
> > we will see eye to eye on everything ...
>
> Thanks for the first sentence.
> The second one scares me a little.

Embrace it ...

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Tushar:

>Note: it is about recent studies of how tightly or loosely coupled
>oscillators of various kinds end up synchronizing--and which, roughly
>speaking, seem to point to a unified mathematical theory, although
>the examples come from diverese branches of physics, biology etc.
>It's a very interesting, non-technical, enjoyable book.

Ohmigawd! I'm having a flashback to grad school. One of our
professors was hugely enamored of complexity theory and self-
organization and would go on and on about the stuff. This reminds
me of that - examples from diverse branches, unified mathematical
theory etc etc. (I was interested in the subject for a couple of
years but haven't kept up.)

-rashmi




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On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> Please don't make me throw up.
> I'm having (eye) surgery in the morning.
>
>               - D. M.

Doris,
Hope you sleep so well tonight you wake up calm tomorrow. Hope nothing
untoward happens to shake that calm all through the day. I have great
confidence in your ability to weather this well.

clo

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bonniev wrote:

>> bonniev:
>>
>>> I doubt it.  Well respected author and well known once she offed
>>> herself by
>>> walking into the Thames.
>>
>>
>> Ah. Is this her "stream-of-consciousness" mode of writing? I can't
>> stand that breathless tone/quality.
>> -rashmi
>
>
> Me either.   I'm not so sure I can finish either of the two books of hers
> that I bought at The Big Chicken Barn.


        I did once write a three-page paper as a single sentence
because the instructor had pissed me off.  It was an
egregious sentence, but a very interesting technical exercise.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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At 08:53 PM 4/2/2003 -0500, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > Please don't make me throw up.
> > I'm having (eye) surgery in the morning.
> >
> >               - D. M.
>
>Doris,
>Hope you sleep so well tonight you wake up calm tomorrow. Hope nothing
>untoward happens to shake that calm all through the day. I have great
>confidence in your ability to weather this well.

You must know Doris.

Betty

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02003-04-03 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Tushar:
>
> >Note: it is about recent studies of how tightly or loosely coupled
> >oscillators of various kinds end up synchronizing--and which, roughly
> >speaking, seem to point to a unified mathematical theory, although
> >the examples come from diverese branches of physics, biology etc.
> >It's a very interesting, non-technical, enjoyable book.
>
> Ohmigawd! I'm having a flashback to grad school. One of our
> professors was hugely enamored of complexity theory and self-
> organization and would go on and on about the stuff. This reminds
> me of that - examples from diverse branches, unified mathematical
> theory etc etc. (I was interested in the subject for a couple of
> years but haven't kept up.)

I'd say Sync is a sort of "post-fad" book, written by someone who
had never got on any bandwagon. And it has none of the standard
accoutrements--three of which would be bifurcation, fractals, and
cellular automata. This is not to say your professor got on any
trivial bandwagon. But you know how people used to make all kinds
ridiculously trippy statements about the "new math". This is not
it. By the way, the part about sleep cycles was very interesting,
and has motivated me to read more.

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> On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > Please don't make me throw up.
> > I'm having (eye) surgery in the morning.
> >
> >               - D. M.
>
> Doris,
> Hope you sleep so well tonight you wake up calm tomorrow. Hope nothing
> untoward happens to shake that calm all through the day. I have great
> confidence in your ability to weather this well.
>
> clo


We'll see.     (Ha Ha . . get it?)

          - D. M.

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> > >Paid by the word?
> > >clo
> >
> > I doubt it.  Well respected author and well known once she offed herself by
> > walking into the Thames.
>
>Greetings, "Bonnie", how are you today. May I respectfully ask,
>WHO THE HELL is it? GOD!

Thanks for asking.  I'm doing fine today.  The second birthday sweater I'm
knitting is coming along just fine.   The soaps were good although I was
interrupted by a phone call during the last ten minutes of The Guiding
Light.  Pete already told us who the author of the overly flowery sentence
is.   Virginia Woolf.


    --bonniev

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> > >> Tenuous, at best.
> > >
> > >You should have said: falsest, at best.
> >
> > If that's the answer you wanted, why the hell did you ask the question?
>
>To expose other people's STUPID, my usual reason to post!

Some philosophers see it as their duty to ask the right questions and lead
the ignorant toward truth.  T Bone sees it as his duty to expose the stupid
and make them quiver.


    --bonniev

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02003-04-02 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> Thanks for asking.  I'm doing fine today.  The second birthday sweater I'm
> knitting is coming along just fine.   The soaps were good although I was
> interrupted by a phone call during the last ten minutes of The Guiding
> Light.  Pete already told us who the author of the overly flowery sentence
> is.   Virginia Woolf.

Wow ... I didn't even know of a soap called the Guiding Light.
What's its setting? Is it good?

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02003-04-02 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >> >> Tenuous, at best.
> >> >
> >> >You should have said: falsest, at best.
> >>
> >> If that's the answer you wanted, why the hell did you ask the question?
> >
> >To expose other people's STUPID, my usual reason to post!
>
> Some philosophers see it as their duty to ask the right questions and lead
> the ignorant toward truth.  T Bone sees it as his duty to expose the stupid
> and make them quiver.

I don't think it's my duty. I am just a jackass ...

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>Adam/LH:
>
>> > Do you have your new home all
>> > organized and unpacked?
>
>>I'll let Rashmeeber answer that herself, but all I have to say is
>>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
>
>>Hah. Hahahahahahahahahah.
>
>>As if!
>
>:-) I had the same reaction to bonnie's question!
>-rashmi

I fail to see the humor in this.  Is it common for people to live in
disarray?  Clyde was unpacking his "kitchen" boxes and making order while
the moving people were still unloading the truck.  Within a week, all was
in pristine condition here at 15 Forest Street.  What is the problem with
the rest of you lamers?


    --bonniev

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> What is the problem with
> the rest of you lamers?

Rashmi is <famous> for her laxity in unpackacking and organizing. She moved
out of her last apartment with several unopened boxes from when she'd moved
in from years before.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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02003-04-02 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >>> Do you have your new home all
> >>> organized and unpacked?
> >
> >>I'll let Rashmeeber answer that herself, but all I have to say is
> >>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
> >
> >>Hah. Hahahahahahahahahah.
> >
> >>As if!
> >
> >:-) I had the same reaction to bonnie's question!
>
> I fail to see the humor in this.  Is it common for people to live in
> disarray?  Clyde was unpacking his "kitchen" boxes and making order while
> the moving people were still unloading the truck.  Within a week, all was
> in pristine condition here at 15 Forest Street.  What is the problem with
> the rest of you lamers?

"You" lamers? What about the enormous beam in your eye? Dr Voigtlander,
I think you should get an Unrest Cure.

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02003-04-02 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >Wow ... I didn't even know of a soap called the Guiding Light.
> >What's its setting? Is it good?
>
> Thanks for asking.  It's excellent.  Set in Springfield, Illinois.   Great
> sense of humor in this soap.  Taped in New York City instead of on the
> wrong coast where most of them are taped.  CBS  3 to 4 p.m. EST, in most
> markets.

I read up on it--it's one of the oldest, actually. How little
I know ... I sometimes watch a very soapy show on TV--it's
called "Providence". Somehow, it's on if I happen to wake
up hungover, so I watch a few minutes of it before getting
in the shower. What I didn't understand at first is what a
TOTALLY HOT CH*K like that is doing in a lame show. Then it
occured to me that she probably is HOTT precisely because of
the overall lame context. I mean some of them just shine in
surrounding lameness, know'mean. After that I kind of didn't
watch it very much. Then I watched another show where some
guy gets tomorrow's news today because of a magic cat--drop
kick me Jesus--but when the Chicago location got old, I
realized why I had liked that show, and dropped it.

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>I read up on it--it's one of the oldest, actually. How little
>I know ... I sometimes watch a very soapy show on TV--it's
>called "Providence". Somehow, it's on if I happen to wake
>up hungover, so I watch a few minutes of it before getting
>in the shower. What I didn't understand at first is what a
>TOTALLY HOT CH*K like that is doing in a lame show.

What an odd coincidence.   That hot chick got her start on The Guiding
Light.   Her character was a stowaway on a ship from Greece.   Providence
is no more.  You are watching reruns.


    --bonniev

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>Wow ... I didn't even know of a soap called the Guiding Light.
>What's its setting? Is it good?

Thanks for asking.  It's excellent.  Set in Springfield, Illinois.   Great
sense of humor in this soap.  Taped in New York City instead of on the
wrong coast where most of them are taped.  CBS  3 to 4 p.m. EST, in most
markets.


    --bonniev

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>Rashmi is <famous> for her laxity in unpackacking and organizing. She moved
>out of her last apartment with several unopened boxes from when she'd moved
>in from years before.      --Adam

This is reprehensible.   Does she have a history of dropping acid?


    --bonniev

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>Dr Voigtlander, I think you should get an Unrest Cure.

What exactly would that be like?  Are there spas that cater to this?


    --bonniev

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02003-03-30 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I've never heard of any architectural genius wanks who spoke about
> > "charm". Are there any?
>
> Oh, sure.  For instance:
>
> 'However, the moment in which houses of Ozu becomes the most charming
> existence is not the time in which the space is filled by residents.
> Unmanned scene is just the scene of beauty: empty shots indicating the
> change of places, a scene just before a person is entering a room, an
> extra aftertasting scene just after a person has gone. This is very
> similar to arthicture photographs in which no person comes out. But, why
> is an empty or disposed room by marrage or bereavement so charming? This
> is because an unmanned room is corresponding to Terrain vague as a surplus
> space as Ignasi de sol?morales rubi?said. It changes to unknown spaces in
> the house. The last scene of "Samma no Aji" projects an impressive
> unmanned view: a dress table in the second floor which reflects an inhouse
> scene, an unmanned kitchen and darkness, a shot of stairway indicating a
> simple and absolute absence. In this film, a special stairway plan as well
> as a ground plan of the Hirayama family was made. This is very surprising
> fact in considering that there are no special plan except of other parts.
> Maybe, the last shot of the stairway is recognized very important. Then,
> unexpectedly, this is the posthumous work of Yasujiro Ozu.

Dr Borkin,

#1 Hide your snout here on my chest, huh huh huh huh ...

#2 Could this strange-English speaking person BE an architect?
   Highly unlikely. Genius architects are all about building new
   things, therefore it follows from "Rita"'s astute remark that
   they cannot achieve any charm. Hence, they do not emphasize
   "charm" as an important quality; they don't even mention it.

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In a message dated 4/2/2003 7:15:53 PM, dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

<< We'll see.     (Ha Ha . . get it?)

 >>

You'll see; I had 2 eyes done at one sitting, nothing to it.
Best wishes, Theo

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02003-04-02 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >Dr Voigtlander, I think you should get an Unrest Cure.
>
> What exactly would that be like?  Are there spas that cater to this?

Dear GOD, Dr Voigtlander! Type in "unrest-cure" in Google, hit
"I'm feeling lucky" and read that story immediately. And after
that, please buy the collected works of Saki ... This is a very
serious request. I think Bad Betty should also do this. However,
Drs Maynor and Borkin emphatically should not.

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>Dear GOD, Dr Voigtlander! Type in "unrest-cure" in Google, hit
>"I'm feeling lucky" and read that story immediately. And after
>that, please buy the collected works of Saki ... This is a very
>serious request. I think Bad Betty should also do this. However,
>Drs Maynor and Borkin emphatically should not.

I love it!  I think Bad Betty needs it even more than I do.  She's living
in the decadent society of the Wrong Coast.

"An Unrest-cure? I've never heard of such a thing."
"You've heard of Rest-cures for people who've broken down under stress of
too much worry and strenuous living; well, you're suffering from overmuch
repose and placidity, and you need the opposite kind of treatment."
"But where would one go for such a thing?"
"Well, you might stand as an Orange candidate for Kilkenny, or do a course
of district visiting in one of the Apache quarters of Paris, or give
lectures in Berlin to prove that most of Wagner's music was written by
Gambetta; and there's always the interior of Morocco to travel in. But, to
be really effective, the Unrest-cure ought to be tried in the home. How you
would do it I haven't the faintest idea."



    --bonniev

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02003-04-02 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >I read up on it--it's one of the oldest, actually. How little
> >I know ... I sometimes watch a very soapy show on TV--it's
> >called "Providence". Somehow, it's on if I happen to wake
> >up hungover, so I watch a few minutes of it before getting
> >in the shower. What I didn't understand at first is what a
> >TOTALLY HOT CH*K like that is doing in a lame show.
>
> What an odd coincidence.

Very ...

>                            That hot chick got her start on The Guiding
> Light.   Her character was a stowaway on a ship from Greece.   Providence
> is no more.  You are watching reruns.

Great ... "ethnically correct" casting again, I wouldn't wonder ...

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We are hoping to interview Prof. Liuzza. Check out his webpage for the
Helsinki Cat Circus (and other interesting matters):

http://www.tulane.edu/~rliuzza/

Bethany

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On 2 Apr 2003 at 20:49, Tushar Samant wrote:

> What I didn't understand at first is what a TOTALLY HOT CH*K like that
> is doing in a lame show.

Maybe you have better taste than I though.

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02003-04-02 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >Dear GOD, Dr Voigtlander! Type in "unrest-cure" in Google, hit
> >"I'm feeling lucky" and read that story immediately. And after
> >that, please buy the collected works of Saki ... This is a very
> >serious request. I think Bad Betty should also do this. However,
> >Drs Maynor and Borkin emphatically should not.
>
> I love it!  I think Bad Betty needs it even more than I do.  She's living
> in the decadent society of the Wrong Coast.

Although none agrees with this more heartily than myself, I think
you are evading the purchase of Saki, Dr Voigtlander. Do it at once,
and start on Tobermory. Remember the shadow that floral sentence has
cast on your sensitive mind. It is your duty to blow it away with
the brightness of the words of Saki.

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At 09:18 PM 4/2/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-02 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > >Dear GOD, Dr Voigtlander! Type in "unrest-cure" in Google, hit
> > >"I'm feeling lucky" and read that story immediately. And after
> > >that, please buy the collected works of Saki ... This is a very
> > >serious request. I think Bad Betty should also do this. However,
> > >Drs Maynor and Borkin emphatically should not.
> >
> > I love it!  I think Bad Betty needs it even more than I do.  She's living
> > in the decadent society of the Wrong Coast.
>
>Although none agrees with this more heartily than myself, I think
>you are evading the purchase of Saki, Dr Voigtlander. Do it at once,
>and start on Tobermory. Remember the shadow that floral sentence has
>cast on your sensitive mind. It is your duty to blow it away with
>the brightness of the words of Saki.

I thought you drank saki.  You can even sample it in Berkeley at the saki
factory. I didn't chase the url.  That's lame.

B

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Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 9:26:41 PM, Betty wrote:
> I thought you drank saki.  You can even sample it in Berkeley at the saki
> factory. I didn't chase the url.  That's lame.

No, you drink sake. I bet that Berkeley has a sake factory, not a
saki factory.

ET #3

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02003-04-02 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> On 2 Apr 2003 at 20:49, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > What I didn't understand at first is what a TOTALLY HOT CH*K like that
> > is doing in a lame show.
>
> Maybe you have better taste than I though.

Excuse me war3zmaster--if I don't unquestioningly FALL IN LUV with
every mildly competent CELLIST who comes by, does that make me a
bad man? Perhaps there is more than is dreamt of in your philosophy?
I recommend you ponder this point seriously, "M.E.M." ...

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02003-04-02 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> I thought you drank saki.  You can even sample it in Berkeley at the saki
> factory. I didn't chase the url.  That's lame.

I trust Dr Kay's correction of your mistake has left you feeling
appropriately STOOPID. Let me add my correction to the mix (ST--P-D):
I did not provide a URL, I described a procedure to access it. Ha!
Who is lame now?

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At 09:24 PM 4/2/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 9:26:41 PM, Betty wrote:
> > I thought you drank saki.  You can even sample it in Berkeley at the saki
> > factory. I didn't chase the url.  That's lame.
>
>No, you drink sake. I bet that Berkeley has a sake factory, not a
>saki factory.
>
>ET #3

Ah!  Close enough.  Do you pronounce it the same?

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At 09:28 PM 4/2/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-02 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > I thought you drank saki.  You can even sample it in Berkeley at the saki
> > factory. I didn't chase the url.  That's lame.
>
>I trust Dr Kay's correction of your mistake has left you feeling
>appropriately STOOPID. Let me add my correction to the mix (ST--P-D):
>I did not provide a URL, I described a procedure to access it. Ha!
>Who is lame now?

I feel oh so humbled. Chasing a procedure seems even worse, however, if I
may say so.

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On 2 Apr 2003 at 21:24, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Excuse me war3zmaster--if I don't unquestioningly FALL IN LUV with
> every mildly competent CELLIST who comes by, does that make me a
> bad man?

Not at all. Indeed, it makes you a man of infinitely more will
power than I. Every cellist, every artist, every linguist. . . .

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On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> you know the two most influential writers that they got out of a
> survey of prominent literary scarecrows of the late 20th century?
> Cervantes and Virginia Woolf.

Try her letters.  I think you might enjoy her snottiness, I do, anyway.

Also, if you don't like Virginia Woolf you are an anti-feminist
cremaster-owner or owner wannabe.  It's like not liking Emily Dickinson.

I await your stupid answering bombast with pleasure.

Ann

heh heh "Cremaster Monologue" I just thought of that.

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02003-04-02 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 09:28 PM 4/2/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >I trust Dr Kay's correction of your mistake has left you feeling
> >appropriately STOOPID. Let me add my correction to the mix (ST--P-D):
> >I did not provide a URL, I described a procedure to access it. Ha!
> >Who is lame now?
>
> I feel oh so humbled. Chasing a procedure seems even worse, however,
> if I may say so.

Nice save ... but I can see you point of view, it is equally valid.

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02003-04-02 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> On 2 Apr 2003 at 21:24, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Excuse me war3zmaster--if I don't unquestioningly FALL IN LUV with
> > every mildly competent CELLIST who comes by, does that make me a
> > bad man?
>
> Not at all. Indeed, it makes you a man of infinitely more will
> power than I. Every cellist, every artist, every linguist. . . .

My GOD you are LAME!

Thanks, I feel infinitely better now! Once I get this every-woman-
who-brings-beer out of the way I have reached true buddha nature!

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02003-04-02 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > you know the two most influential writers that they got out of a
> > survey of prominent literary scarecrows of the late 20th century?
> > Cervantes and Virginia Woolf.
>
> Try her letters.  I think you might enjoy her snottiness, I do, anyway.

Oh! You are right, that sounds very likely.

Heh heh, thanks for the interesting pointer ...

> Also, if you don't like Virginia Woolf you are an anti-feminist
> cremaster-owner or owner wannabe.  It's like not liking Emily Dickinson.
>
> I await your stupid answering bombast with pleasure.
>
> Ann
>
> heh heh "Cremaster Monologue" I just thought of that.

Your coinage on this list is very good! You are very smart!

How about this ... Cremaster Fiddler ... no that's not very good

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>Although none agrees with this more heartily than myself, I think
>you are evading the purchase of Saki, Dr Voigtlander. Do it at once,
>and start on Tobermory. Remember the shadow that floral sentence has
>cast on your sensitive mind. It is your duty to blow it away with
>the brightness of the words of Saki.

What a coincidence.   I once visited the delightful town of Tobermory on
the Isle of Mull.  I even stayed at the Tobermory Hotel.   A url for Betty
to chase:  http://www.thetobermoryhotel.com/

That was the accommodation where the hotel owners set the luggage of the
German tourists out on the sidewalk when they would not commit to another
night's lodging while failing to vacate the room after breakfast.


    --bonniev

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> > Excuse me war3zmaster--if I don't unquestioningly FALL IN LUV with
> > every mildly competent CELLIST who comes by, does that make me a
> > bad man?
>
>Not at all. Indeed, it makes you a man of infinitely more will
>power than I. Every cellist, every artist, every linguist. . . .

Once a philosopher, twice a pervert.


    --bonniev

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Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 9:46:58 PM, Betty wrote:

> At 09:24 PM 4/2/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 9:26:41 PM, Betty wrote:
>> > I thought you drank saki.  You can even sample it in Berkeley at the saki
>> > factory. I didn't chase the url.  That's lame.
>>
>>No, you drink sake. I bet that Berkeley has a sake factory, not a
>>saki factory.
>>
>>ET #3

> Ah!  Close enough.  Do you pronounce it the same?

No. One is saki, the other sake...

ET #3

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Virginia Woolf wrote:
> .... and it was the moment between six and
> seven when every flower -- roses, carnations, irises, lilac -- glows;
> white, violet, red deep orange; every flower seems to burn by itself,
> softly, purely in the misty beds;

I really liked this part and didn't mind wading through the first part for
it.

Ann

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02003-04-02 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> Virginia Woolf wrote:
> > .... and it was the moment between six and
> > seven when every flower -- roses, carnations, irises, lilac -- glows;
> > white, violet, red deep orange; every flower seems to burn by itself,
> > softly, purely in the misty beds;
>
> I really liked this part and didn't mind wading through the first part for
> it.

That's another valid opinion ...

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11:34 02.04.2003 -0800 skrev Betty Clark:
>At 01:54 PM 4/2/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Of course I have. I dropped acid in Margate.  8-)
>>>Marie
>>
>>Did you then climb up inside of her and look out the eye?  Even though I
>>was a philosophy grad student for many years, I never dropped acid.   But I
>>did once have a very intelligent and verbally gifted philosophy professor
>>describe an acid trip he had taken some years before.  It sounded
>>fascinating.  But I was certain that my psyche was a little too troubled to
>>pull off a safe and happy acid trip.  Also I knew people who knew people
>>who were locked away forever after one too many acid trips.
>>
>>
>>   --bonniev
>
>Many have since become Wordslers and Professors.

After they were locked away?

Espen

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14:52 02.04.2003 -0500 skrev Alec D. Plotkin:
>>
>>> Many have since become Wordslers and Professors.
>>
>>Not my cousin. He's still in an institution.
>>
>>ET #3
>>
>
>I have heard many stories about bad trips putting people in mental
>hospitals, I wonder if it just made their existing problems worse.

Norway is very much influenced by the puritan protestant ethos (there are other influences, luckily enough), and much to my disagreeable surprise I find that I am not free from this as well. So I find that acid/mescaline/peyote should all be treated with respect and that if they are taken just for entertainment there might be some not-so-good results. But then serious meditation might also be bad if it is done outside control/structure. And I must admit that I have at times in my younger days  ... no, let it stop there.

Espen

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18:38 02.04.2003 -0500 skrev Marie Ascher:
>---- Original Message -----
>From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
>Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2003 3:54 pm
>Subject: Re: Dr. Vu
>
>> On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
>> > I'd rather hear you moan than not hear you at all.
>>
>> yes, Alyce, please adopt any style you want!  Piss & moan is ok
>> with me -
>> just let us hear from you.
>
>Hear hear! Here here!

Yes, please.

Espen

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On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 22:19:42 -0600, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>My GOD you are LAME!

That's a fact.

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On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

> On 2 Apr 2003 at 21:24, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Excuse me war3zmaster--if I don't unquestioningly FALL IN LUV with
> > every mildly competent CELLIST who comes by, does that make me a
> > bad man?
>
> Not at all. Indeed, it makes you a man of infinitely more will
> power than I. Every cellist, every artist, every linguist. . . .
>

I see a ray of hope on the horizon...
clo

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I found a story in yesterday's Starkville Daily News interesting.  A
student had been missing for a couple of weeks, with reports in the
newspaper about the search for him.  Yesterday the report said that he
was alive and well -- that the police had received e-mail from him
saying that he was working in Tennessee.  It didn't say what prompted
him to send the e-mail to the police -- like whether he'd been surfing
the net and found via newspapers that he was a subject of concern to the
SPD or what.  And it didn't say whether the SPD is sure the e-mail was
really from him.  I nevertheless found it interesting in the sense that
e-mail has come a long way in the past fifteen or so years.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:
> "But where would one go for such a thing?"
> "Well, you might stand as an Orange candidate for Kilkenny, or do a course
> of district visiting in one of the Apache quarters of Paris, or give
> lectures in Berlin to prove that most of Wagner's music was written by
> Gambetta; and there's always the interior of Morocco to travel in. But, to
> be really effective, the Unrest-cure ought to be tried in the home. How you
> would do it I haven't the faintest idea."
>

Trade homes with me. That should do the trick!
clo

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As y'all know, I was (blissfully for you) unavailable to comment last
weekend, due to my role in shepherding a group of college students through
a conference at Gettysburg, PA.

In the absolute poorest taste possible (or with complete lack of foresight
- I don't know which is worse), the chosen theme was "Many Battles, Many
Stories", and hinged around exploration of the battlefield and many
museums in the area.

The students responded, by and large, with a healthy lack of interest in
moldy wax figures and gory statistics, and focused instead on exploring
the town's many pubs and taverns, making my job that much more interesting
and difficult.

So it was that we found ourselves standing outside the Lincoln Museum late
at night, pondering a bronzed Pres gesturing toward the building - it was
in the way of the sky - while a bronzed gent in modern garb (hereinafter
referred to as the mits, or man in the sweater, by the students) holding a
bronzed Gettysburg address looked up at him perplexedly.

Luckily the students were quite tiddly, but not so drunk that they
wouldn't remember the evening on the morrow. It was not difficult, as they
waited for the cab, to convince them that they must each include the
following sentence in their obligatory whtmi on returning to school:

"We went to the Lincoln Museum, but it was closed".

For the next three days, they pondered the phrase intermittently, with
confusion as to their own motives; but thanks to the suggestability of
drunks - are you listening, Tushar? - they were unable to conclude that it
would be a silly thing to do.

I look forward to reading the reports with great pleasure.

clo

PS
thanks for reminding about Saki.

"We don't feel that we want a change of thrush at our time of life"
<http://homepage.ntlworld.com/doklands/Clovis/TheUnrest-Cure.html>

ranks right up there with "The Truth About George".

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Patrick McManus?

Just curious what others think of his work.
clo

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>But then serious meditation might also be bad if it is done outside
>control/structure.
>Espen

I've always fantasized about meditating at an energy point on this Earth
(the stone circle in the Lake District of England would be perfect) and be
transported from this life to a better one.


    --bonniev

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>At 02:52 PM 4/2/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>> >
>> >> Many have since become Wordslers and Professors.
>> >
>> >Not my cousin. He's still in an institution.
>> >
>> >ET #3
>> >
>>
>>I have heard many stories about bad trips putting people in mental
>>hospitals, I wonder if it just made their existing problems worse.
>>
>>
>>alec
>
>And what about the ones that escaped or never got locked up? Where are they?

I'm here.

/Jim

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>Trade homes with me. That should do the trick!
>clo

Yes, just polishing all that wood would constitute an unrest
cure.   Syracuse in the depths of a snowy winter armed only with a shovel
would be an unrest cure.


    --bonniev

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> >playingwithtime.org
> >
> >
> >Check out Cape Cod over 7,000 years. Too bad there isn't one of the Maine
> >Coast
> >BrP
>
> Granite doesn't change much.
>
>
>     --bonniev

No, but sea level does.

BrP

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> Patrick McManus?
>
> Just curious what others think of his work.

  He has his moments.  He ain't no H. Allen Smith but he's amusing
enough.

JMW

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At 05:53 PM 4/2/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Why would anyone write like this?  It sucks:
>
>"And then opening her eyes, how fresh like frilled linen clean from a
>laundry
>    --bonniev

This is as far as I got. It made the Krispy Kreme in my stomach curdle.

lisa
who HATES it when she's assaulted by goodies in the kitchen at work.

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At 03:23 PM 4/2/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>Bonnie writes,
>
>>Why would anyone write like this?  It sucks:
>
>Dude. [Is there a better way to say that when addressing a woman?]  It's a
>"moment of being."
>
>Same sentence described elsewhere: "...a single remarkable
>sentence....  The breathless nature of this single line indicates
>Clarissa's intensity. Images are not neatly arranged, but spill forth
>unstoppable as one image leads to another and another. Because moments of
>being are immediate, they often do not allow a character to reflect or
>assign meaning to them."
><http://writing.colostate.edu/assignments/archives/e505a/pop8d.htm>
>
>Pete

They say you are what you eat and it's true. After reading this, I'm just
as glazed as my breakfast donut.

lisa

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--bonniev:
>meditating at an energy point on this Earth

What's an "energy point"?

--
Richard                England made him

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>
> Lesbian literature is NOT like that. Lesbian literature (if you can even
> call it that) is filled with short sentences no one remembers. Right around
> page 75, the lesbian reader perks up because she knows the main characters
> always fuck by page 100.
>
> After that the book may as well end. No self respecting dyke reads past
> "the fuck". Unless there's a rumor on the streets that the characters <do
> it> more than once. This will keep a lesbo interested for another 10 pages.
>
> lisa

I LOVE this.  May I quote you to my dyke friends and relatives?


BrP

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At 06:50 PM 4/2/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>02003-04-02 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > Why would anyone write like this?  It sucks:
> >
> > "And then opening her eyes, how fresh like frilled linen clean from a
> > laundry laid in wicker trays the roses looked; and dark and prim the red
> > carnations, holding their heads up; and all the sweet peas spreading in
> > their bowls, tinged violet, snow white, pale -- as if it were the evening
> > and girls in muslin frocks came out to pick sweet peas and roses after the
> > superb summer's day, with its almost blue-black sky, its delphiniums, its
> > carnations, its arum lilies was over; and it was the moment between six and
> > seven when every flower -- roses, carnations, irises, lilac -- glows;
> > white, violet, red deep orange; every flower seems to burn by itself,
> > softly, purely in the misty beds; and how she loved the grey-white moths
> > spinning in and out, over the cherry pie, over the evening primroses!"
>
>Sounds like "lesbian literature" to me. Maybe you are too str8 to
>apreeciate it.

Lesbian literature is NOT like that. Lesbian literature (if you can even
call it that) is filled with short sentences no one remembers. Right around
page 75, the lesbian reader perks up because she knows the main characters
always fuck by page 100.

After that the book may as well end. No self respecting dyke reads past
"the fuck". Unless there's a rumor on the streets that the characters <do
it> more than once. This will keep a lesbo interested for another 10 pages.

lisa

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Natalie, on thread-boredom:
>mention of "crawfishing" away from something?
>I found that interesting in a wordsly way.

It's difficult to not be evasive when
discussing the expression.

--
Richard                England made him

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On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:

> >
> >Sounds like "lesbian literature" to me. Maybe you are too str8 to
> >apreeciate it.
>
> Lesbian literature is NOT like that. Lesbian literature (if you can even
> call it that) is filled with short sentences no one remembers. Right around
> page 75, the lesbian reader perks up because she knows the main characters
> always fuck by page 100.
>
> After that the book may as well end. No self respecting dyke reads past
> "the fuck". Unless there's a rumor on the streets that the characters <do
> it> more than once. This will keep a lesbo interested for another 10 pages.
>
> lisa
>

I obviously need to get some reading list suggestions from you!
clo

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At 10:33 AM 4/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> > Lesbian literature is NOT like that. Lesbian literature (if you can even
> > call it that) is filled with short sentences no one remembers. Right around
> > page 75, the lesbian reader perks up because she knows the main characters
> > always fuck by page 100.
> >
> > After that the book may as well end. No self respecting dyke reads past
> > "the fuck". Unless there's a rumor on the streets that the characters <do
> > it> more than once. This will keep a lesbo interested for another 10 pages.
> >
> > lisa
>
>I LOVE this.  May I quote you to my dyke friends and relatives?
>
>
>BrP

Yes, you may quote me.

You can also add that I read all of _Tipping the Velvet_ cause I was told
there was lots of sex in it. I have no idea what the story was about and
I'm pretty sure I didn't like the book overall but, I do know there were
more than 2 fucks.

lisa

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Thursday, April 3, 2003, 9:56:46 AM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> Or get low on funs?

ET's are seldom low on funs. But you'll find out tomorrow.:)

ET #3

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At 10:39 AM 4/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > >
> > >Sounds like "lesbian literature" to me. Maybe you are too str8 to
> > >apreeciate it.
> >
> > Lesbian literature is NOT like that. Lesbian literature (if you can even
> > call it that) is filled with short sentences no one remembers. Right around
> > page 75, the lesbian reader perks up because she knows the main characters
> > always fuck by page 100.
> >
> > After that the book may as well end. No self respecting dyke reads past
> > "the fuck". Unless there's a rumor on the streets that the characters <do
> > it> more than once. This will keep a lesbo interested for another 10 pages.
> >
> > lisa
> >
>
>I obviously need to get some reading list suggestions from you!
>clo


No, you don't. These books are to the literary world what Cap'n Krunch
cereal is to breakfast.

lisa
yes Paul, you can quote me

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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:50:26 -0600
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The Game allows 'funs'. What does this mean? When I meet clo
tomorrow, will it be, oh, four funs out of five? More funs than
barrels of monkeys?

Does anyone else count their funs?

Karen

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On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> The Game allows 'funs'. What does this mean? When I meet clo
> tomorrow, will it be, oh, four funs out of five? More funs than
> barrels of monkeys?
>
> Does anyone else count their funs?
>
> Karen
>

Or get low on funs?
clo

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> At 10:33 AM 4/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >
> > > Lesbian literature is NOT like that. Lesbian literature (if you can even
> > > call it that) is filled with short sentences no one remembers. Right around
> > > page 75, the lesbian reader perks up because she knows the main characters
> > > always fuck by page 100.
> > >
> > > After that the book may as well end. No self respecting dyke reads past
> > > "the fuck". Unless there's a rumor on the streets that the characters <do
> > > it> more than once. This will keep a lesbo interested for another 10 pages.
> > >
> > > lisa
> >
> >I LOVE this.  May I quote you to my dyke friends and relatives?
> >
> >
> >BrP
>
> Yes, you may quote me.
>
> You can also add that I read all of _Tipping the Velvet_ cause I was told
> there was lots of sex in it. I have no idea what the story was about and
> I'm pretty sure I didn't like the book overall but, I do know there were
> more than 2 fucks.
>
> lisa

is fucks anything like funs?

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> Virginia Woolf wrote:
> > .... and it was the moment between six and
> > seven when every flower -- roses, carnations, irises, lilac -- glows;
> > white, violet, red deep orange; every flower seems to burn by itself,
> > softly, purely in the misty beds;
>
> I really liked this part and didn't mind wading through the first part for
> it.

Did anybody mention what book it was from? Never mind. Context is everything,
as was mentioned here lately. It may very well be taken from "Orlando" which
*is* a masterpiece, having perhaps greater values than sentences like that,
but maybe the latter add to her suggestive writing and imagination so much
that the novel wouldn't have been as suggestive without long flowing-on-and-on
sentences.

>Also, if you don't like Virginia Woolf you are an anti-feminist
>cremaster-owner or owner wannabe.

lol. Though I wouldn't be so stern. :)

>It's like not liking Emily Dickinson.

Certainly not.

Kristin

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alyce cresap wrote:

> bonniev wrote:
> > And what options did Dr. Vu have for you?
>
> Two. Do nothing and die, or do chemo and die. Six-12 months.

:-(((( Although smileyes are not right to use at places like that. But what
else could I say.

> I think
> they tell that to everyone.

Then there's hope that you should not believe him? Perhaps it's good to try
not to.


>  Meanwhile, I have an infection and am on
> antibiotics, have a fever that is draining me.

:-(( again

> And that is why I am
> pretty silent. You don't need to hear me moan any more.

You *never* moan, never have I seen/heard/read you doing it. And if you'd
like to, please do it.

Kristin

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   I am en route to plane,
and I actually have written your phone number on my arm so I
can't lose it.
I "borrowed" my daughter's spindle, as well.

See you tomorrow!
clo

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> PS Heide has a scan in late April which will be the her scan after one year
> after chemo. All clear so far.

Good! And how does she feel?

Kristin

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Thursday, April 3, 2003, 10:43:37 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> is fucks anything like funs?

It is when I do it.:)

ET #3

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My cousin Dave is on a trip to Singapore, Hong Kong, and China.

He's washing his hands a lot.

Karen

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In a message dated 4/3/2003 9:46:59 AM, Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:

<< "Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> PS Heide has a scan in late April which will be the her scan after one year
> after chemo. All clear so far.
 >>

Terrific! Keep up the good work, Heide
Theo

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In a message dated 4/2/2003 4:59:32 PM

<< alyce cresap wrote:

>  You don't need to hear me moan any more.
 >>

You go right ahead, and say whatever you feel like. ;-}
Theo

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ObSpellingWeenie: Interesting typo in a transcript from the White House
(and a funny gratuitous capitalization).

<http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/04/20030403-3.html>:

"From the skies above, coalition aircraft and Cruise missiles are removing
hundreds of military targets from Iraq. A vice is closing, and the days of
a brutal regime are coming to an end."

The typo makes it into the head and body of an AP story.  Inattention, or
subtle dig?

<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19945-2003Apr3.html>:

"Bush Says Vice Closing on Saddam's Regime "

"President Bush, comforting grief-stricken family and friends of fallen
Marines, praised U.S. troops Thursday for their two-week advance on Baghdad
and said 'a vice is closing' on Saddam Hussein's regime."

Pete

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> playingwithtime.org

At this site the QuickTimePlayer works very good. I've had problems with it
sometimes. I occasionally discovered that moving the little knob backwards with
mouse-arrow I can watch the clips the other way round. I just amused myself with
watching like a broken glass becomes a whole again. (A genuine timekiller, I should
say.)

Kristin

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        I'm seeing "vice" listed as well as "vise" with this meaning, in
the online Webster 1913 that I have installed (old, but free).  I don't
think it's the more common American spelling now, but perhaps that was how
Bush's people spelled it in the press release or something.

--
Take care,
Tom Lee (flint@kiva.net)
They shouldn't be called journalists if they just copy the press release anyway

On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

PK> ObSpellingWeenie: Interesting typo in a transcript from the White House
PK> (and a funny gratuitous capitalization).
PK>
PK> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/04/20030403-3.html>:
PK>
PK> "From the skies above, coalition aircraft and Cruise missiles are removing
PK> hundreds of military targets from Iraq. A vice is closing, and the days of
PK> a brutal regime are coming to an end."
PK>
PK> The typo makes it into the head and body of an AP story.  Inattention, or
PK> subtle dig?
PK>
PK> <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19945-2003Apr3.html>:
PK>
PK> "Bush Says Vice Closing on Saddam's Regime "
PK>
PK> "President Bush, comforting grief-stricken family and friends of fallen
PK> Marines, praised U.S. troops Thursday for their two-week advance on Baghdad
PK> and said 'a vice is closing' on Saddam Hussein's regime."

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Thursday, April 3, 2003, 1:01:22 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Brad just called and asked me to get somebody to set him to
> nomail on the list.  His computer is down, and he's not sure
> for how long.

Brad's computer is *always* sick with one thing or another.

ET #3

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Brad just called and asked me to get somebody to set him to
nomail on the list.  His computer is down, and he's not sure
for how long.

I'll cc Jim directly on this.  My grepping of an old Words-L
file doesn't show Adam's address (though I am sure I could find
it with a bit more exploration of my <resources>).  But IMFTSOTL.
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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On Wednesday, April 02, 2003 at 13:54, bonniev wrote:

> Also I knew people who knew people who were locked away forever after one too
> many acid trips.

FOAF

Tony H.

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But there's not much to tell.
Was back home, dozing in my recliner
a little after 8:00 a.m.
This pm was seen by the doctor in his
office.  Took the patch off and I could
see but vision is cloudy/milky.  It will
clear up in a few days, they say.
Feels kinda uncomfortable, like there's
something in my eye.  Normal, they say.
Good excuse to go back in the recliner
and be lazy.  Maybe order dinner in.
What the heck.  

                   - D. M.

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You  know me.....I rarely ever send these things around but, this one is very important.  Please read and pass it on to save yourself and others. 




   SEND THIS WARNING TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.
  I hate those hoax e-mail warnings, but this one is important. 
  IF A MAN COMES TO YOUR FRONT DOOR AND SAYS HE IS CONDUCTING  A SURVEY AND ASKS YOU TO SHOW HIM YOUR BOOBS, DO NOT SHOW HIM YOUR BOOBS. THIS IS A SCAM, HE ONLY WANTS TO SEE YOUR BOOBS.
   

   I wish I'd seen this yesterday. I feel so stupid.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Although I know we answered Kristin's basic question about "the
> reserves," I was not satisfied with my lack of knowledge about
> the Reserves vs the National Guard.

Just wanted to let you know that while trying to catch up with most mail
I read this thread as well.

I also see that I need to learn more about the exact relations and
subordination of the army and -- I think, ngo -- Defence Union/League in
our country. I thought I knew it but now I see that my knowledge is not
accurate.

Clyde:

>I think it likely that those who join the Reserves expect to be called
if
>this country is in danger; what might not occur to some of them is that

>they are subject to be called for whatever adventure the Commander in
Chief
>dreams up.

Yep. That's it. And: how far should the danger be from the borders of
one's country to feel for a person that the danger is there. I'm quite
sure if somebody should attack Latvia or Finland (too horrible to say
it, of course) the men from the voluntary Defence League are the first
to go and fight, as much as I know them -- both to give help and because
the danger would be close. It is hard to estimate a danger that might be
there but the source of it be on the other side of the globe.

Kristin

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Doris Markland wrote:

>   Took the patch off and I could
> see but vision is cloudy/milky.

Is it too early for you to feel relieved? I guess you may be feeling
uncomfortable. Good that the first surgery is over. I wonder they
allowed you to read and write. But:

>What the heck.

as you said

Kristin

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >   Took the patch off and I could
> > see but vision is cloudy/milky.
>
> Is it too early for you to feel relieved? I guess you may be feeling
> uncomfortable. Good that the first surgery is over. I wonder they
> allowed you to read and write. But:
>
> >What the heck.
>
> as you said
>
> Kristin

I'm still a little under the spell of some
medication they gave me before surgery.
Doctor said "We're giving you a legal high."

                 - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> You  know me.....I rarely ever send these things around but, this one is very important.  Please read and pass it on to save yourself and others.
>
>    SEND THIS WARNING TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.
>   I hate those hoax e-mail warnings, but this one is important.
>   IF A MAN COMES TO YOUR FRONT DOOR AND SAYS HE IS CONDUCTING  A SURVEY AND ASKS YOU TO SHOW HIM YOUR BOOBS, DO NOT SHOW HIM YOUR BOOBS. THIS IS A SCAM, HE ONLY WANTS TO SEE YOUR BOOBS.
>
>
>    I wish I'd seen this yesterday. I feel so stupid.

Do I miss something or you really have a different view of things (sorry!)? Is the last sentence yours or from the original warning?

Kristin

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Thursday, April 3, 2003, 2:00:41 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:

>> You  know me.....I rarely ever send these things around but, this one is very important.  Please read and pass it on to save yourself and others.
>>
>>    SEND THIS WARNING TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.
>>   I hate those hoax e-mail warnings, but this one is important.
>>   IF A MAN COMES TO YOUR FRONT DOOR AND SAYS HE IS CONDUCTING  A SURVEY AND ASKS YOU TO SHOW HIM YOUR BOOBS, DO NOT SHOW HIM YOUR BOOBS. THIS IS A SCAM, HE ONLY WANTS TO SEE YOUR BOOBS.
>>
>>
>>    I wish I'd seen this yesterday. I feel so stupid.

> Do I miss something or you really have a different view of things (sorry!)? Is the last sentence yours or from the original warning?

It's from the original warning. (This has been going around for a
while.)

ET #3

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I'm still a little under the spell of some
> medication they gave me before surgery.
> Doctor said "We're giving you a legal high."

So you hopefully may be in legally high spirits.

But to be more serious, hope you'll have a good rest, and that tonight's
sleep will be undisturbed by any pain or medicines.

Kristin

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >>    I wish I'd seen this yesterday. I feel so stupid.
>
> > Do I miss something or you really have a different view of things (sorry!)? Is the last sentence yours or from the original warning?
>
> It's from the original warning. (This has been going around for a
> while.)

I thought it -- the sentence -- was a joke made by Doris herself.

Kristin

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Thursday, April 3, 2003, 2:09:19 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> >>    I wish I'd seen this yesterday. I feel so stupid.
>>
>> > Do I miss something or you really have a different view of things (sorry!)? Is the last sentence yours or from the original warning?
>>
>> It's from the original warning. (This has been going around for a
>> while.)

> I thought it -- the sentence -- was a joke made by Doris herself.

No. But it's supposed to look like Doris is saying it. That's
part of the joke.

ET #3

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I thought it -- the sentence -- was a joke made by Doris herself.
>
> No. But it's supposed to look like Doris is saying it. That's
> part of the joke.

If a person is to be explained nice simple jokes to her...

slightly ashamed,
Kristin

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> I'll cc Jim directly on this.  My grepping of an old Words-L
> file doesn't show Adam's address (though I am sure I could find
> it with a bit more exploration of my <resources>).  But IMFTSOTL.
>    --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

I see that Jim did set Brad nomail.

I don't regularly check my home email from work, so if you need to contact
me between 8 and 5 Eastern time, use the information in my work .sig pasted below.

--Adam
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02003-04-03 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > I'm still a little under the spell of some
> > medication they gave me before surgery.
> > Doctor said "We're giving you a legal high."
>
> So you hopefully may be in legally high spirits.
>
> But to be more serious, hope you'll have a good rest, and that tonight's
> sleep will be undisturbed by any pain or medicines.

YaY!

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> >Because I spend my whole day - or most of it - on the computer at work and
> >home is
> >a refuge from that.        --BrP
>
> Ah.  Makes no sense at all.   But you are free to be <like that>.  Our loss.
>
>
>     --bonniev

<thank you>

BrP

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At 08:33 PM 4/3/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > I'll cc Jim directly on this.  My grepping of an old Words-L
> > file doesn't show Adam's address (though I am sure I could find
> > it with a bit more exploration of my <resources>).  But IMFTSOTL.
> >    --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>
>I see that Jim did set Brad nomail.
>
>I don't regularly check my home email from work, so if you need to contact
>me between 8 and 5 Eastern time, use the information in my work .sig
>pasted below.
>
>--Adam


Adam, could you please set Tushar nomail.  His computer crashed at work and
he won't be home until after the bars close tonight.

Thanks.

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> >Brad's computer is *always* sick with one thing or another.
> >ET #3
>
> Is it really true that paul doesn't have a computer at home??   Speaking of
> pauls, I got a one line email from the other "bad" paul saying that he
> would not be attending acadiafest.  Like who asked him?
>
>
>     --bonniev

I do not have a computer at home.  My Siberian Gypsy housemate has one, but it is
a hybrid that he has cobbled together out of used parts and it is both extraordinarily
quirky and very slow.  I have used it at times, but invariably end up frustrated.

BrP

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> >--bonniev:
> > >meditating at an energy point on this Earth
> >
> >What's an "energy point"?
> >Richard                England made him
>
> Could someone else please explain it?  Richard will only ridicule me if I
> attempt an explanation.
>
>
>     --bonniev

"Imagine a fairy chain stretched from mountain peak to mountain
peak, as far as the eye could reach, and paid out until it reached
the 'high places' of the earth at a number of ridges, banks, and
knowls. Then visualise a mound, circular earthwork, or clump of
trees, planted on these high points, and in low points in the valley
other mounds ringed around with water to be seen from a distance.
Then great standing stones brought to mark the way at intervals,
and on a bank leading up to a mountain ridge or down to a ford the
track cut deep so as to form a guiding notch on the skyline as you
come up.... Here and there, at two ends of the way, a beacon fire
used to lay out the track. With ponds dug on the line, or streams
banked up into 'flashes' to form reflecting points on the beacon
track so that it might be checked when at least once a year the
beacon was fired on the traditional day. All these works exactly on
the sighting line."

-Alfred Watkins

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Dear Friend,

I am Mr Peter Babatunde, Bank Manager of ORIENT BANK OF NIGERIA, Lagos Branch. I have urgent and very confidential business proposition for you and it is carefully explained for your understanding as follows.

On June 6 1998, an American oil consultant/contractor with the Nigerian
National Petroleum Corporation, Mr. Barry Kelly made a numbered time account (Fixed)deposit for twelve calendar months, valued at US$25,000,000.00 (Twenty-five Million United States Dollars) in my branch. Upon maturity, I sent a routine notification to his forwarding
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This is simple, I will like you to provide me immediately with the following; your full names, date and place of birth and complete address with confidential telephone and fax numbers so that the attorney will prepare the necessary documents and affidavits, which will put you in place as the next of kin. We shall employ the services of two attorneys for drafting and notarization of the WILL and obtain the necessary documents and letter of probate/administration in your favor for the transfer.

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I wonder how soon we'll start getting these from Iraq.

BrP




> Dear Friend,
>
> I am Mr Peter Babatunde, Bank Manager of ORIENT BANK OF NIGERIA, Lagos Branch. I have urgent and very confidential business proposition for you and it is carefully explained for your understanding as follows.
>
> On June 6 1998, an American oil consultant/contractor with the Nigerian
> National Petroleum Corporation, Mr. Barry Kelly made a numbered time account (Fixed)deposit for twelve calendar months, valued at US$25,000,000.00 (Twenty-five Million United States Dollars) in my branch. Upon maturity, I sent a routine notification to his forwarding
> address but got no reply. After a month, we sent a reminder and finally we discovered from his contract employers, Nigerian National Petroleum
> Corporation that Mr. Barry Kelly has since died from an automobile
> accident.

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>I do not have a computer at home.  My Siberian Gypsy housemate has one,
>but it is
>a hybrid that he has cobbled together out of used parts and it is both
>extraordinarily
>quirky and very slow.  I have used it at times, but invariably end up
>frustrated.
>BrP

Why don't you have a computer at home?


    --bonniev

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> >I do not have a computer at home.  My Siberian Gypsy housemate has one,
> >but it is
> >a hybrid that he has cobbled together out of used parts and it is both
> >extraordinarily
> >quirky and very slow.  I have used it at times, but invariably end up
> >frustrated.
> >BrP
>
> Why don't you have a computer at home?
>
>
>     --bonniev

Because I spend my whole day - or most of it - on the computer at work and home is
a refuge from that.


BrP

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>"Imagine a fairy chain stretched from mountain peak to mountain
>peak, as far as the eye could reach, and paid out until it reached
>the 'high places' of the earth at a number of ridges, banks, and
>knowls. Then visualise a mound, circular earthwork, or clump of
>trees, planted on these high points, and in low points in the valley
>other mounds ringed around with water to be seen from a distance.
>Then great standing stones brought to mark the way at intervals,
>and on a bank leading up to a mountain ridge or down to a ford the
>track cut deep so as to form a guiding notch on the skyline as you
>come up.... Here and there, at two ends of the way, a beacon fire
>used to lay out the track. With ponds dug on the line, or streams
>banked up into 'flashes' to form reflecting points on the beacon
>track so that it might be checked when at least once a year the
>beacon was fired on the traditional day. All these works exactly on
>the sighting line."      -Alfred Watkins

Nice.  But that's not what I meant by an energy point.  It's more a
chakra-type thing.  There are certain places on earth where some claim to
feel concentrated energy being given off.   Stone circles were sometimes
built on those energy points.   It's all very mystical.   Maybe google
would know.  Too bad Tushar is nomail.


    --bonniev

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The Poetry of DHR by Hart Seely
on the MSNBC site under
low concept Dubious and far-fetched ideas

http://slate.msn.com/id/2081042/


BrP

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>Because I spend my whole day - or most of it - on the computer at work and
>home is
>a refuge from that.        --BrP

Ah.  Makes no sense at all.   But you are free to be <like that>.  Our loss.


    --bonniev

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Tom Lee writes,

>I don't think it's the more common American spelling now, but perhaps that
>was how Bush's people spelled it in the press release or something.

Yes, as I said, it's in the whitehouse.gov transcript.

m-w lists it as a "chiefly British variant."  Interestingly, Reuters
corrected it in their story:
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21545-2003Apr3.html>.

Pete

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--bonniev:
>Could someone else please explain it? Richard
>will only ridicule me if I attempt an explanation.

Ridicule you?  When have I ever done that,
that you'd expect me to in this case?

In the past I have perhaps pointed out
inaccuracies in things you have posted,
and if you took that as ridicule, then
I apologize for the tone.

So, again, what is an energy point?

--
Richard                England made him

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bonniev writes,

>There are certain places on earth where some claim to feel concentrated
>energy being given off.   Stone circles were sometimes built on those
>energy points.   It's all very mystical.

E.g., "Glastonbury, a small town about 125 miles or 220 km west of London,
is full of myth and legend. In ancient times, Glastonbury lay in a triangle
with the enormous stone circles of Stonehenge and Avebury - between them
they formed a world energy-point. Great circle lines go from Glastonbury to
many sacred centres worldwide."

and

"Situated on a major acupuncture point of the Earth body, Glastonbury is
one of the most powerful energy centers on the planet. Prophecies have
foreseen it playing an important role in the New Age. The entire area
around this small town in Somerset has a very holy vibration. It is steeped
in the deeply mystical Arthurian legends. These legends symbolize the
search for the Holy Grail the Eternal Self, represented by the Silver
Chalice used at the Last Supper and for collecting Christ´s blood from the
cross. Joseph of Arimathea brought the chalice to Glastonbury where it is
supposedly buried. In past years, England´s young seekers have come here to
take psychedelic sacraments."

<http://www.crystalinks.com/glastonburytor.html>

Pete

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--bonniev:
>There are certain places on earth where some
>claim to feel concentrated energy being given
>off.

Oh.  That.

O.K.

--
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>--bonniev:
> >meditating at an energy point on this Earth
>
>What's an "energy point"?
>Richard                England made him

Could someone else please explain it?  Richard will only ridicule me if I
attempt an explanation.


    --bonniev

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>Brad's computer is *always* sick with one thing or another.
>ET #3

Is it really true that paul doesn't have a computer at home??   Speaking of
pauls, I got a one line email from the other "bad" paul saying that he
would not be attending acadiafest.  Like who asked him?


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> http://www.maynor.net/bush.jpg

Did I reduce the size too much, or is the point clear enough?  The copy
sent to me was huge, so I reduced it a good bit.

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>Did I reduce the size too much, or is the point clear enough?  The copy
>sent to me was huge, so I reduced it a good bit.

<http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/mtarchive/000016.html>

It's not clear that it's not a forgery, or a picture of night vision
binoculars, which can be demonstrated in daylight with caps that have
pinholes in them.

Pete

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> It's not clear that it's not a forgery, or a picture of night vision
> binoculars, which can be demonstrated in daylight with caps that have
> pinholes in them.

I realized that it could be a forgery.  Didn't know about the
night-vision binoculars, though.

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http://www.maynor.net/bush.jpg

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> I also see that I need to learn more about the exact relations and
> subordination of the army and -- I think, ngo -- Defence Union/League in
> our country. I thought I knew it but now I see that my knowledge is not
> accurate.

If you get into thinking about U.S. military ranks, keep in mind that
the Navy uses some of the same rank names as the other branches but with
different meaning -- e.g., a lieutenant in the Navy is a higher rank
than a lieutenant in the Army or Air Force.  A navy lieutenant would be
like an Army or AF captain.

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> But there's not much to tell.
> Was back home, dozing in my recliner
> a little after 8:00 a.m.
> This pm was seen by the doctor in his
> office.  Took the patch off and I could
> see but vision is cloudy/milky.  It will
> clear up in a few days, they say.
> Feels kinda uncomfortable, like there's
> something in my eye.  Normal, they say.
> Good excuse to go back in the recliner
> and be lazy.  Maybe order dinner in.
> What the heck.

Sounds good.  And I'm not surprised that you lived to tell about it.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > > I thought it -- the sentence -- was a joke made by Doris herself.
> >
> > No. But it's supposed to look like Doris is saying it. That's
> > part of the joke.
>
> If a person is to be explained nice simple jokes to her...
>
> slightly ashamed,

But your question was a legitimate one -- whether Doris was the one
making that last joke or whether the original had it.  It would work
just as well for the original to have it since the original warning
would be claiming to have needed the warning earlier.

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bonniev wrote:

> pauls, I got a one line email from the other "bad" paul saying that he
> would not be attending acadiafest.  Like who asked him?

So the neighbor's wolf didn't eat him after all?

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I've been in a good mood all day thinking about how Survivor is back on
its normal night tonight and how I don't have to go anywhere this
Survivor night.

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The webcam at cbsnews.com has some creepy sounds -- lots of barking
dogs.  The scene is also weird because of the electricity outage.  I
just looked at it for the first time in a good while and am viewing it
like some sort of strange movie, not anything real.

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Betty Clark wrote:

> At 08:33 PM 4/3/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>
>> > I'll cc Jim directly on this.  My grepping of an old Words-L
>> > file doesn't show Adam's address (though I am sure I could find
>> > it with a bit more exploration of my <resources>).  But IMFTSOTL.
>> >    --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>>
>> I see that Jim did set Brad nomail.
>>
>> I don't regularly check my home email from work, so if you need to
>> contact
>> me between 8 and 5 Eastern time, use the information in my work .sig
>> pasted below.
>>
>> --Adam
>
>
>
> Adam, could you please set Tushar nomail.  His computer crashed at work and
> he won't be home until after the bars close tonight.
>
> Thanks.


        LOL!



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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> But there's not much to tell.
> Was back home, dozing in my recliner
> a little after 8:00 a.m.
> This pm was seen by the doctor in his
> office.  Took the patch off

Hope you can see clearly now.

alyce


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Alec, I have high hopes for Heide having a clean scan.

alyce
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Have you ever tried to change one of the tickets you bought through
hotwire?  I doesn't look as if it is possible.

Now that we canceled China I'd like to stay back east longer and go to Nova
Scotia after AcadiaFest.

Bummed Betty

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Betty Clark writes,

>Have you ever tried to change one of the tickets you bought through
>hotwire?  I doesn't look as if it is possible.

I did let one go unused when plans changed, but nope, sorry.

Pete

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>In the past I have perhaps pointed out
>inaccuracies in things you have posted,
>and if you took that as ridicule, then
>I apologize for the tone.

And I apologize for feeling ridiculed.   I'm a sensitive soul.

>So, again, what is an energy point?
>Richard                England made him

I think the answer is beginning to emerge from other posts.


    --bonniev

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>bonniev wrote:
> > pauls, I got a one line email from the other "bad" paul saying that he
> > would not be attending acadiafest.  Like who asked him?
>
>So the neighbor's wolf didn't eat him after all?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Evidently not.  The email address was still Bates College.  His part of
Maine has gotten even more real.   I refer to Lewiston/Auburn as
Somalialand.   They had a huge influx of Somalis in the past few years.


    --bonniev

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>Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > http://www.maynor.net/bush.jpg
>
>Did I reduce the size too much, or is the point clear enough?  The copy
>sent to me was huge, so I reduced it a good bit.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

The point was quite clear.   But, as T Bone would say, let it go
Natalie.   Just let it go and be happy watching Survivor.


    --bonniev

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At 02:49 PM 4/3/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>Betty Clark writes,
>
>>Have you ever tried to change one of the tickets you bought through
>>hotwire?  I doesn't look as if it is possible.
>
>I did let one go unused when plans changed, but nope, sorry.
>

Oh, well, I guess we'll just have to go back some other time.  This is two
tickets so that is too much to let go.  Are you going to be able to
attend?  Sylvia?  Who else hasn't said anything?

Betty

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I'm into house-hunting again in BSL.  Have I mentioned before something that I find way weird about houses on the coast -- that many of them have tacky chain-link fences all the way around them, as in around the frontyard as well as the backyard.  Other than that, this is a cute house.

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02003-04-03 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Alec, I have high hopes for Heide having a clean scan.

Personally, I am in the middle of a long-running sequence of
people recovering from bad things without a lot of effort ...

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For a too-big house, this one is attractive.

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02003-04-03 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> Nice.  But that's not what I meant by an energy point.  It's more a
> chakra-type thing.  There are certain places on earth where some claim to
> feel concentrated energy being given off.   Stone circles were sometimes
> built on those energy points.   It's all very mystical.   Maybe google
> would know.  Too bad Tushar is nomail.

However, you described doing something at some energy point in
the past which struck me as obscenely disrespectful. One wonders
if you are serious about it. Energy points are a scarce resource
and people use them to build temples on--they are not for doing
the makarena in Nike sweatpants ... just my personal opinion, of
course ... PS: This is not ridicule, it's me being a jackass
again

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bonniev wrote:

> The point was quite clear.   But, as T Bone would say, let it go
> Natalie.   Just let it go and be happy watching Survivor.

I just thought it was funny.  I didn't go seeking for a picture of that
kind.  Somebody e-mailed it to me, and I thought I'd share it with
y'all.

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I wonder what one does at a crab festival.  There's one in BSL in July:

http://www.hancockcountyms.org/calendar.html

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Natalie:
> I wonder what one does at a crab festival.

In Louisiana, one eats crab, crowns the
Crab Queen, bets on crab races, rides
carnival rides, etc.

And maybe play a hand or two of bouree,
depending on the part of the state.

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:
>
> Natalie:
> > I wonder what one does at a crab festival.
>
> In Louisiana, one eats crab, crowns the
> Crab Queen, bets on crab races, rides
> carnival rides, etc.
>
> And maybe play a hand or two of bouree,
> depending on the part of the state.

Probably that's the general idea of the one in BSL.  The thing about
Hancock County events is that it's not a heavily populated county but
has population centers not far away, so probably people do a good bit of
festing elsewhere, like in NO or on a smaller scale in places like
Gulfport.

I'm on a kick again of wanting to move there.  I'm in the mood for
change.

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Do you know much about the NO Jazz Festival?  I was just looking at its
dates and see that its second weekend (the first weekend in May) is a
time I might be able to go check out BSL again and hop on over to NO.
But I'm trying to figure out the schedule.  It has Pete Fountain listed
on Sunday, May 4, but with no times given for when anybody is.  I'd like
to hear Pete, especially since I had it stuck in my head that he was
dead, which apparently he isn't:

http://www.nojazzfest.com/schedules/sunday_5_04.html

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> Adam, could you please set Tushar nomail.  His computer crashed
> at work and he won't be home until after the bars close tonight.
>
> Thanks.

So Bad you are!

--Adam
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> Did I reduce the size too much, or is the point clear enough?  The copy
> sent to me was huge, so I reduced it a good bit.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Your initial point is clear, and until Pete's post, I wondered what the
pinholes were for.  I think the answer is obvious now, did the pinholes
show up on the huge version?

Terry

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the next generation arrives, although not with as entertaining a partner...

Karen, I think the book is still a few years away...

<http://www.news.uri.edu/releases/html/03-0331-02.html>

Terry

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Do you know much about the NO Jazz Festival?  I was just looking at its
> dates and see that its second weekend (the first weekend in May) is a
> time I might be able to go check out BSL again and hop on over to NO.
> But I'm trying to figure out the schedule.  It has Pete Fountain listed
> on Sunday, May 4, but with no times given for when anybody is.  I'd like
> to hear Pete, especially since I had it stuck in my head that he was
> dead, which apparently he isn't:
>
> http://www.nojazzfest.com/schedules/sunday_5_04.html

How totally bizarre!!  I came back in here after watching "Survivor,"
saw my posting, clicked on the url, and lo and behold, while I was
watching "Survivor," it transformed from just a long list of names of
performers with no hints of times into a full-fledged schedule with
times.

I guess that's not really bizarre.  I guess that site happened to be
updated while I was watching tv.  But the timing is indeed funny.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Terry WIld wrote:

> Your initial point is clear, and until Pete's post, I wondered what the
> pinholes were for.  I think the answer is obvious now, did the pinholes
> show up on the huge version?

You saw the pinholes in the picture??  No, I didn't see them on the huge
version or on the small version.

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How about the little passive aggressive bitches at the New York
Times ... I sort of knew they always somehow failed to spell one
or two Indian names right, and so on, but now in the fifth golden
age of rhetoric, even they have reached new heights. I mean just
a couple days ago I read a headline which went somewhat like this:
"For Arabs, the new Jihad is in Iraq".

For ARABS? Or should we thank the headline poets for not saying
"for Muslims"? Never mind the dumbass story ... it was about, I
didn't read how many exactly, it may have well been in the high
dozens though, hot-headed guys from various countries enlisting
(with a quiet resolve) to fight the good fight against the devil
in Iraq.

I do know of petty Indian newspapers who play caste politics with
this kind of tactic. But the New York Times--ah, magnificent! It's
like some bitch on CNN--this was before I grew unable to distinguish
all the bespectacled puffy-faced old white guys in suits--one of
them, saying: "Well, France and Iraq opposed the move ..." Then
again, these may be the cleverest things they can think of saying.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I guess that's not really bizarre.  I guess that site happened to be
> updated while I was watching tv.  But the timing is indeed funny.

The timing of the updating I mean (as I feel sure is obvious).  But
speaking of timing, I'm getting inspired.  Pete is at 5:00, and tickets
for a single day are just $20.  I need to look at the exam schedule, but
I think I can do this.  I'm giving take-home exams in both classes, so
it's not as if I have to be on the scene at a particular time, but I do
need to be around at the right times for grading them.  Anyway, I think
that Sunday will work -- that I can go to BSL and poke around some more,
then go over to NO for the day on Sunday, then back to BSL to spend that
night or maybe to somewhere like Slidell, then home Monday morning.

I've got to start thinking about dog arrangements, though.  I've figured
out re my travel to Huntsville next weekend (as in not the coming one --
the next one) that I can go early Saturday morning and come back early
Sunday, leaving Spencer by himself, as I have done twice now without ill
effect.  But I need to make Spencer plans for going to BSL/NO in early
May.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> I do know of petty Indian newspapers who play caste politics with
> this kind of tactic. But the New York Times--ah, magnificent! It's

Let it go, T-Bone.  Watch "Survivor" and be happy.

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Terry WIld wrote:

> > You saw the pinholes in the picture??  No, I didn't see them on the huge
> > version or on the small version.
> >
> When I clicked on the URL you sent, IE showed them, might be a resolution
> thing.

Hmm.  I looked only with Netscape.

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I am feeling totally obsessed right now with the need to be hearing Pete
Fountain playing "Stranger on the Shore."  I've got it on an old album,
but I have no turntable.  I'm wondering if maybe it's on my tape of
Florida memories (because I associate it with the apartment I lived in
my first year there, in Indian Harbor Beach).  I wonder where that tape
is.  I associate it with gin and tonics also.  The music, I mean.

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-On Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:07 PM -0600 Natalie Maynor
<natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

> You saw the pinholes in the picture??  No, I didn't see them on the huge
> version or on the small version.
>
When I clicked on the URL you sent, IE showed them, might be a resolution
thing.

Terry

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Terry WIld wrote:

> When I clicked on the URL you sent, IE showed them, might be a resolution
> thing.

Ok, I just went and tried it in IE.  No pinholes visible.  (My point is
not at all that I'm saying there are no pinholes -- only that the
picture doesn't make them clear.)
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> Ok, I just went and tried it in IE.  No pinholes visible.  (My point is
> not at all that I'm saying there are no pinholes -- only that the
> picture doesn't make them clear.)
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>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Agreed, Pete's URL picture was not clear. Besides, it is all perspective
anyway.

Terry

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YES!!  I found the tape.  Am playing it now, though one of my speakers
seems not to be connected.  I worry that I don't have a backup copy of
this tape, though.  I know I made a backup of Knoxville.  I remember
doing that.  But I think my other memory tapes are single copies only.
I need to rectify that.  Anyway, I'm now listening to Pete playing
"Stranger on the Shore" and am living in mid-'60s Brevard County,
Florida.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Fountain playing "Stranger on the Shore."  I've got it on an old album,
>but I have no turntable.  I'm wondering if maybe it's on my tape of ...
>is.  I associate it with gin and tonics also.  The music, I mean.

Gin and tonic memories, but no turntable? Why have you no turntable,
Natalie?

Bethany

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One nice thing about this house, as in its setting, that I haven't
really taken advantage of is that I can play music as loud as I want to
without worry of disturbing anybody.  My Florida tape is continuing
right now at full blast, and I'm back in time, grooving.  Maybe tomorrow
I'll try to find Memphis.  The music on these tapes was not chosen
because of its greatness but because of memories associated with it.  In
many, maybe most, cases the memories are very specific, as in precise
moments, precise scenes.
...
OH CRAP, OH CRAP, OH CRAP!!!  Just as I finished the last sentence
above, the tape in the middle of "Turn, Turn, Turn" started sounding
like The Chipmunks.  Then it stopped playing.  I ran in there and pulled
out the tape and found it BROKEN.  I can't believe that I was talking
about the backup situation just a few minutes ago, having played this
tape a zillion times in years past, and suddenly right now it broke.  I
seriously may kill myself.  I have to have this tape.  It cannot be
broken.
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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Gin and tonic memories, but no turntable? Why have you no turntable,
> Natalie?

I have no turntable because my turntable died many years ago.  And I
think they're pretty hard to come by these days.

But what can I do about my Florida tape???????  I am in major despair.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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I don't think the tape is broken!!  It was just hanging out like crazy,
twisted and sad-looking.  With the eraser of my Democratic Party pencil
(a wonderful pencil with donkey pictures that I bought at a shop in
Vicksburg -- they had elephant pencils also), I wound it back up, and I
think it may work.  I'm not going to try it in that old tape deck again,
but maybe I will try it elsewhere.  I fear that the old tape deck is
ready for the pasture.  I hate that my car doesn't have a tape player.
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 09:05 PM 4/3/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I don't think the tape is broken!!  It was just hanging out like crazy,
>twisted and sad-looking.  With the eraser of my Democratic Party pencil
>(a wonderful pencil with donkey pictures that I bought at a shop in
>Vicksburg -- they had elephant pencils also), I wound it back up, and I
>think it may work.  I'm not going to try it in that old tape deck again,
>but maybe I will try it elsewhere.  I fear that the old tape deck is
>ready for the pasture.  I hate that my car doesn't have a tape player.
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

YaY

Can't you down load a copy of your favorites and copy to CD? The old ones
are easy to find.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> YaY

Alas, it won't play on the little tape recorder I bought in Japan.  I
will try further actions tomorrow.

> Can't you down load a copy of your favorites and copy to CD? The old ones
> are easy to find.

Download?  From where?  How?  It would be amazing if I could track down
all these memory songs and apply them to a CD in the right order.
("Stranger on the Shore" was the very first of bunches and bunches of
stuff on the tape, btw.  That makes sense since I associate it with the
early days in Florida.  That's probably why there's the gin-and-tonic
connection.  My main -- as in non-music -- association with g&t's was
with Tony in a cabin in the woods near Lake Placid, NY, a month or so
before I moved to Florida.)

Oh, how I need for this tape to be revived from what appears to be
death!  I was just looking at the list of stuff I had put on it and saw
gazillions of wonderful memories.  Toward the end is the theme song from
"A Man and A Woman."  I'm sure I've told before about how Chuck and I
drove his Triumph onto a beach after seeing that movie and then drove it
down into the surf singing (humming) the theme song -- way out into the
surf.  His car was in the shop for a couple of weeks after that.
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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Thursday, April 3, 2003, 7:20:56 PM, Terry WIld wrote:
> the next generation arrives, although not with as entertaining a partner...

> Karen, I think the book is still a few years away...

Thanks. I think this guy would write a boring book, though.

I haven't finished the Bryson book, but I'm also listening to Jon
Krakauer's book about Everest. It's amazingly gripping, even
though I know how it turns out.

I must confess to a great fondness for hearing authors read their
own works. Tushar, when is your book coming out?

ET #3

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Natalie, if it is an audio cassette, you can go to Radio Shack to
get an empty cassette to put the old tape in.  Back when I was
taping a lot of music off the radio, I'd have to fix a cassette every
so often.  So I'd hop to the nearest RS to get the equipment I
needed.

Evelyn Duncan
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I bought the dowel for making knitting needles for your blocks
today.

Karen

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In a message dated 04/03/2003 8:59:51 PM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
I have no turntable because my turntable died many years ago.  And I
think they're pretty hard to come by these days.


>>

Last Christmas they were all over the place, even Sears.

Evelyn Duncan
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On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I have no turntable because my turntable died many years ago.  And I
>think they're pretty hard to come by these days.

I was very fortunate. My turntable - in fact, my entire aging audio system
- was burgled many years ago. Good old reliable State Farm declined to pay
my claim, and I did not have time to sue them, so I swalled the loss and
went to the best hifi place in town and lucked into a much better system
being traded in on a really really expensive one. So I have one that will
probably last the rest of my life, at least.

>But what can I do about my Florida tape???????  I am in major despair.

Dunno - you should have a turntable. Duck tape?

Bethany

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Thursday, April 3, 2003, 9:57:29 PM, Terry WIld wrote:
> "Into Thin Air"...Lot of controversy over that book.  We have Boukreev's
> book "The Climb" in which some of Krakauers assertations are rebutted.

I'm still at base camp--they are doing acclimation, and one of
the Sherpas just died. Audible.com (where I get my audio books)
has The Climb also; I put it on my wish list. it's not narrated
by either of the authors, though.

> Have you read Brad Dimock's "Sunk Without A Sound" about Glen and Bessie
> Hyde's trip on the Colorado and their mysterious disappearance.  I enjoyed
> this one.

I just requested it from my library, thanks!

ET #3

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At 09:26 PM 4/3/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > YaY
>
>Alas, it won't play on the little tape recorder I bought in Japan.  I
>will try further actions tomorrow.
>
> > Can't you down load a copy of your favorites and copy to CD? The old ones
> > are easy to find.
>
>Download?  From where?  How?  It would be amazing if I could track down
>all these memory songs and apply them to a CD in the right order.
>("Stranger on the Shore" was the very first of bunches and bunches of
>stuff on the tape, btw.  That makes sense since I associate it with the
>early days in Florida.  That's probably why there's the gin-and-tonic
>connection.  My main -- as in non-music -- association with g&t's was
>with Tony in a cabin in the woods near Lake Placid, NY, a month or so
>before I moved to Florida.)

 From Gnucleus.  Write down the songs and who performed them in order and
mail it to me.
Actually mail it to Larry.

Betty

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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 22:57:29 -0500
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--On Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:30 PM -0600 Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
wrote:

> I haven't finished the Bryson book, but I'm also listening to Jon
> Krakauer's book about Everest. It's amazingly gripping, even
> though I know how it turns out.
>

"Into Thin Air"...Lot of controversy over that book.  We have Boukreev's
book "The Climb" in which some of Krakauers assertations are rebutted.  I
admit to not having read it yet.  I'm not sure if we also have Krakauer's
book, maybe.

Have you read Brad Dimock's "Sunk Without A Sound" about Glen and Bessie
Hyde's trip on the Colorado and their mysterious disappearance.  I enjoyed
this one.

Terry

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In a message dated 04/03/2003 8:58:21 PM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
I have to have this tape.  It cannot be
broken.

>>

Breathe, relax, go to Radio Shack tomorrow.  You can fix this
tape.  They have the equipment you need.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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--On Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:14 PM -0600 Karen Kay
<Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

> I just requested it from my library, thanks!
>
> ET #3


The best way to get books!  I just finished "On Rue Tatin" by Susan Hermann
Loomis.  It is about her experiences going to France as a cooking student
and eventually moving there.  Amongst the personal stories are recipes from
people she meets.  I have a few to try, mostly seafood, mostly without
cream and eggs, though most of the recipes are rich.

Enjoy your time with clo!

Terry

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Thursday, April 3, 2003, 10:26:28 PM, Terry WIld wrote:
> The best way to get books!

Yes, I like this system; it's nice to do everything online.

>  I just finished "On Rue Tatin" by Susan Hermann
> Loomis.  It is about her experiences going to France as a cooking student
> and eventually moving there.  Amongst the personal stories are recipes from
> people she meets.  I have a few to try, mostly seafood, mostly without
> cream and eggs, though most of the recipes are rich.

Cool! I reserved this, too.

> Enjoy your time with clo!

Oh, yes. I plan to. Even though I'm not her first.:)

ET #3

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This time when the headlines flopped out upon my opening Netscape Mail,
I decided to click on one about the best cars of '03.  Even though mine
is an '02, I am happy to be in the Top 25 and to be the cheapest of them
all:

http://netscape.consumerreports.org/ntautos/crauto87.html

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> Natalie, if it is an audio cassette, you can go to Radio Shack to
> get an empty cassette to put the old tape in.  Back when I was
> taping a lot of music off the radio, I'd have to fix a cassette every
> so often.  So I'd hop to the nearest RS to get the equipment I
> needed.

Thanks!  Why would putting the old tape into a new cassette help?  Is it
likely that the problem is with the wheel things on the old cassette?  I
shall go to RS soon -- maybe even this afternoon -- and see what I can
learn about the situation.  I hope this is one of the times RS has
knowledgeable employees.  They seem to vary.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Breathe, relax, go to Radio Shack tomorrow.  You can fix this
> tape.  They have the equipment you need.

Everything looks brighter in the morning light.  And that reminds me:
Please remind me tomorrow to change my clocks so that I won't be late
for the play I'm going to Sunday afternoon.  I really could live happily
without DST.  I like early-morning light.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> <<
> I have no turntable because my turntable died many years ago.  And I
> think they're pretty hard to come by these days.
> >>
>
> Last Christmas they were all over the place, even Sears.

I'm amazed.  Didn't we discuss this topic back in '91 or so, btw?  I
have a large collection of records (even some 78s, but that's not what
I'm really talking about re needing a turntable).  Why are there
turntables all over the place in the world of today?  Are there that
many collectors of old records?

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Betty wrote:

>  From Gnucleus.  Write down the songs and who performed them in order and
> mail it to me.
> Actually mail it to Larry.

This sounds fun!  I do have all the songs and performers written on the
side of the tape.  I was thinking about writing them down last night in
a list posting, but it was time to go to bed.  I will do it late this
afternoon or tonight.  Oops.  Gotta go to a poetry reading tonight.  But
anyway will do the writing down soon.

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>
>>I have no turntable because my turntable died many years ago.  And I
>>think they're pretty hard to come by these days.
>>
>
> I was very fortunate. My turntable - in fact, my entire aging audio system
> - was burgled many years ago. Good old reliable State Farm declined to pay
> my claim, and I did not have time to sue them, so I swalled the loss and
> went to the best hifi place in town and lucked into a much better system
> being traded in on a really really expensive one. So I have one that will
> probably last the rest of my life, at least.

        Did you know that even though they did not pay your claim, it
is still counted against you as a claim?

        We're learning all kinds of interesting things about
insurance companies around here.




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In a message dated 04/04/2003 5:36:03 AM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
.  I really could live happily
without DST.  I like early-morning light.

>>

Me, too.  Makes it easier to go to work.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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In a message dated 04/04/2003 5:27:55 AM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
Thanks!  Why would putting the old tape into a new cassette help?  Is it
likely that the problem is with the wheel things on the old cassette?
>>

There were times that the tape would drag in the old cassette; pop it
into the new cassette, and it was good as new.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        Did you know that even though they did not pay your claim, it
>is still counted against you as a claim?

Sounds right for State Farm, a truly sleazy company so far as I am
concerned. I ceased doing business with them immediately, of course.
Since then, I have been retained in several law suits against them by
lawyers resresenting consumers who were getting screwed bigtime by SF.

Which reminds me - not only did HealthSouth commmit the fraud and
deceit being reported today - they also practiced fraudulent billing
practices re insurance payments, as I learned when I received a series of
<bills> I did not owe. In face, I had already overpaid them. I will
soon send them a bill, then copy it to relevant government agencies. I
imagine that they milked many consumers, since many people do not read
statements, but merely pay them.

 > >        We're learning all kinds of interesting things about
>insurance companies around here.

Details?

Bethany

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<FONT SIZE=2><P>March 28, 2003: Libertad Digital, Madrid. March 28, 2003: Ambito Iberoamericano Editorial, Madrid (translation from original in Spanish).</P>
</FONT><B><FONT SIZE=5><P>Silenced truth: "pacifists" protect tyrants and incite wars</P>
</B></FONT><I><P ALIGN="CENTER">History will record with severity the huge social, human and political cost of the activism of the erroneously named "pacifists"</P>
</I><P>The so-called "pacifist" movements, articulated by leftists, and their silent accomplice, have decisively contributed to the protection of the most fierce tyrants of the XX and XXI Centuries, since Adolph Hitler and Stalin, Fidel Castro, Pol Pot and Kim Jong Il, to Saddam Hussein. With their harmful political formula of "giving in so as not to loose", they paved the way for several of those dictators to increment warmonger attitudes against countries and continents, in addition to enslaving their own people.</P>
<P>Towards the end of the 1930's, it was the English and French "pacifists" who, with the pretext of avoiding war with Germany, pressured the public opinion of their respective countries, to give-in before the annexation of Hitler in Austria and other territories where German was spoken belonging to Czechoslovakia ("Sudentenland"), Poland (Dantzig "corridor"), etc. Those "pacifists" supported their respective Heads of State, Chamberlain and Daladier, in their giving-in attitude before the German despot. It was not in vain when Winston Churchill, the great English statesman, reprimanded Chamberlain by telling him: "Your choice was between shame and war; you chose shame and you will have war". In fact, after so many shameful concessions, peaking with the Munich pact, which legitimately recognized the usurpations of Germany, it invaded Poland, which led to the Second World War, which had a toll of 60 million deaths. During the decade of 1970, the handing over by U.S. government!
 of several Southeast Asian nations to communists -who unleashed indescribable massacres of millions of innocent civilians, such as in Cambodia- was in most part precipitated by pressures on behalf of "pacifists". Other historical examples could also be mentioned.</P>
<P>During the present, the complex circumstances of war in Iraq do not impede us from pointing out similarities and censurable contradictions of Western "pacifist" movements that, with the pretext of condemning the war, lift up a smoke screen in front of the dictatorship of Saddam Hussein, in front of the conditions of misery and oppression of the Iraqi people, in front of the danger which said regime represents to regional and international peace. As it has already been denounced, those "pacifist" manifestations which are spread throughout the world were previously articulated in the recent Worldwide Social Forum of Porto Alegre, a gigantic catalyst of revolutionary forces which survived communism.</P>
<P>Those same "pacifists" who cry only with the left eye, do not only keep silence as to the crimes of the Iraqi dictatorial regime, but also as to the repressive onslaught unleashed recently by Fidel Castro against oppositionists and independent journalists; the cruelties of Colombian narco-guerrillas; the violations of political-religious rights in countries such as China, Cuba and North Korea; Christian persecutions in Muslim countries; the pro-Castro despotism of the Venezuelan President Ch&aacute;vez; the fratricidal violence of the ETA, in Spain, etc.</P>
<P>It is symptomatic that in the United States entities that promote anti-war protests, such as "Workers World Party" and "Answer" their fa&ccedil;ade entity (at a cost of an estimated 200 thousand dollars per protest), have initiatives in their curriculum in support of Castro's Cuba, Saddam's Iraq, and Kim Jong Il's North Korea, as demonstrated by the journalist Dan Springer, of Fox News. In Spain, protests of the erroneously named "pacifists" resort to violence, attacking government party headquarters and causing much destruction to public property. According to a denouncement made in editorial of Libertad Digital, in Spain there is a resurgence of the "Jacobean traditional sectarianism", with "violent methods" used by the "extreme totalitarian left" who are counting on the support, through act or omission, of the United Left and the Spanish Socialist Workers Party. In England, Ahmed Chalabi, of the Iraqi National Congress, in exile, denounced that the supposedly pro-peace!
 activists want to "prolong the life of Saddam and the misery of the Iraqi people". In Italy, journalist Ernesto Galli della Loggia, in a front-page article in the "Corriere della Sera", calls attention to the enormous "capacity" of the so-called "pacifists" in that country to "manipulate reality", using as an example the "massive" use in protests of pictures of the Cuban-Argentinean guerilla "Che" Guevara, who is being presented as a symbol of "pacifism" when in reality, his cruelty made him contrary to peace. As Elio Bromuri, another Italian journalist, Communications Director of Perugia Archdiocese, observed, "pacifist" Italian leaders are guided by "an ideology that only maintains pacifism in its name".</P>
<P>After the emotional climate artificially created by the left (with the collaboration of the media), that clouds reason and common sense, History will, without a doubt, record with severity and indignation the gigantic social, human and political cost of the erroneously named "pacifists". The cause of peace is too important to leave it in their hands.</P>
<P>Lastly, it is important to not confuse the pacifists with the peaceful. Jesus Christ promised to those last mentioned an admirable prize: "You shall be named Children of God". The peaceful ones are those that love true peace, defined by Saint Augustine as "the tranquility of order". On the contrary, if the pacifists speak of peace it is as a pretext to fool and immobilize the peaceful, supporters of order.</P>
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As someone here pointed out recently, it was only a matter of time:

>Well, great news! You won't be receiving any of those so-called Nigerian
email scam letters anymore.

No, you'll be receiving Iraqi email scam letters instead.

We at the Five Dumbest Things Research Lab, in fact, received our first
one this week, a letter from one self-described "Eng. Farouk Al-Bashar ...
the oldest son of the Al-Bashar family, who are the descendants of Ibrahim
Al-Bashar Ali from one of the oil-rich areas in Iraq."

Mr. Al-Bashar is happy to let us have 10% of "funds totaling US$12.5
million" if we can only help him get his stash of cash out of the country.
[etc.]<

Bethany

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Y'all don't know him, but I know I've mentioned him here before (in the
context of his interesting family -- ten children, all of them brilliant
-- the oldest was my hs classmate and friend).  I'm wondering what the
scene must be like for the communication going on between the children
and doctors taking care of the mother in critical condition.  For one
thing, it would take an auditorium for them all to get together.  And
imagine the level of the discussion, with the children all being MDs and
all being brilliant.

http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0304/04/m01.html

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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>I bought the dowel for making knitting needles for your blocks
>today.      --Karen

Oh, goody.  I haven't even bought the yarn yet, much less mailed it.


    --bonniev

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>This time when the headlines flopped out upon my opening Netscape Mail,
>I decided to click on one about the best cars of '03.  Even though mine
>is an '02, I am happy to be in the Top 25 and to be the cheapest of them
>all:     http://netscape.consumerreports.org/ntautos/crauto87.html
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Has any other wordsler bought a new car in the last three years?  If so,
please tell.


    --bonniev

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>02003-04-03 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
>> Alec, I have high hopes for Heide having a clean scan.
>
>Personally, I am in the middle of a long-running sequence of
>people recovering from bad things without a lot of effort ...
>

FUCK OFF. Much effort in recovery.


alec

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>"Into Thin Air"...Lot of controversy over that book.
>Terry

I have the book on the shelf here but haven't gotten around to reading it
yet.  What is the controversy about?


    --bonniev

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>        We're learning all kinds of interesting things about
>insurance companies around here.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

And why is that??

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02003-04-04 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> >02003-04-03 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> >> Alec, I have high hopes for Heide having a clean scan.
> >
> >Personally, I am in the middle of a long-running sequence of
> >people recovering from bad things without a lot of effort ...
>
> FUCK OFF. Much effort in recovery.

Why don't you fuck off this time.

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02003-04-03 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> I must confess to a great fondness for hearing authors read their
> own works. Tushar, when is your book coming out?

What book?

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...that my ears will be burning today.


BrP

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02003-04-03 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
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> > I do know of petty Indian newspapers who play caste politics with
> > this kind of tactic. But the New York Times--ah, magnificent! It's
>
> Let it go, T-Bone.  Watch "Survivor" and be happy.

Survivor makes me angry and tense. Do you have other recommendations?

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> > Let it go, T-Bone.  Watch "Survivor" and be happy.
>
>Survivor makes me angry and tense. Do you have other recommendations?

The Guiding Light.  3 p.m. EST in most markets.   10 a.m. in some.


    --bonniev

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02003-04-04 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >> Let it go, T-Bone.  Watch "Survivor" and be happy.
> >
> >Survivor makes me angry and tense. Do you have other recommendations?
>
> The Guiding Light.  3 p.m. EST in most markets.   10 a.m. in some.

But that "Greek" ch*k is gone, I thought.

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of alyce cresap
>Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 5:35 PM
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>
>
>Alec, I have high hopes for Heide having a clean scan.
>
>alyce
>--
>

Thanks very much. Every time before her scan, we get very nervous. Then are
very nervous while waiting for results. Normally, we the oncologist a week
after her scan.


alec

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 7:52:20 AM, bonniev wrote:
>>"Into Thin Air"...Lot of controversy over that book.
>>Terry

> I have the book on the shelf here but haven't gotten around to reading it
> yet.  What is the controversy about?

It's very much his opinions about everything. As I listened to
what he said about the various people, I wondered how many of
them were dead, because he really did let everything out.

Karen

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 8:02:13 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> ...that my ears will be burning today.

But you looooooove being the center of attention, don't you,
sweetie?:)

ET #3

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>Has any other wordsler bought a new car in
>the last three years?  If so, please tell.

NO BLOOD FOR OIL.

--
Richard                 ...to sport in it

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 7:42:15 AM, bonniev wrote:
>>I bought the dowel for making knitting needles for your blocks
>>today.      --Karen

> Oh, goody.  I haven't even bought the yarn yet, much less mailed it.

Time's a-wasting!

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Thursday, April 3, 2003, 3:27:15 PM, bonniev wrote:

>>Because I spend my whole day - or most of it - on the computer at work and
>>home is
>>a refuge from that.        --BrP

> Ah.  Makes no sense at all.   But you are free to be <like that>.  Our loss.

Is Paul the only person you know without a computer at home?

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Signs have been appearing around Syracuse reading

"SUPPORT OUR HOOPS"

BrP

> >Has any other wordsler bought a new car in
> >the last three years?  If so, please tell.
>
> NO BLOOD FOR OIL.
>
> --
> Richard                 ...to sport in it

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> Do you know much about the NO Jazz Festival?

Y'mean, like, apart from other things,
that it is too crowded, too expensive,
and that -- after all these years --
they still don't have a clue about the
Beer Situation?

What's New: They added another day to the
first weekend.

--
Richard                 ...to sport in it

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Natalie:
>Pete is at 5:00

Yep.  He also plays the French Quarter
Festival, coming up next weekend.

As of last weekend, for the first time
in 43 years, New Orleans does not have
"a club bearing Pete Fountain's name"[1].

He's "only" 72, which surprised me.

The good news for you, Natalie, is that
he will be playing at a joint near his
home in (get ready for it): Bay St. Louis.

--
Richard                 ...to sport in it
[1] (too arsed to tinyurl this):
http://www.nola.com/search/index.ssf?/base/entertainment-0/1049028924134960.xml?nola

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BrP:
>Signs have been appearing around Syracuse reading

Are Syracusians particularly known for
drunken basketball yahoo-ery?  I'm just
trying to get a feel for this weekend's
neighborhood invasion.

Do they still have that small chap in
the round orange mascot outfit, or have
they PC-ed their team name, too?

--
"Longhorns is animal abuse."

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At 08:43 AM 4/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>This time when the headlines flopped out upon my opening Netscape Mail,
>>I decided to click on one about the best cars of '03.  Even though mine
>>is an '02, I am happy to be in the Top 25 and to be the cheapest of them
>>all:     http://netscape.consumerreports.org/ntautos/crauto87.html
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>Has any other wordsler bought a new car in the last three years?  If so,
>please tell.
>
>
>    --bonniev

2000 Passat. Love it.

lisa

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At 10:18 AM 4/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>At 08:43 AM 4/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>>This time when the headlines flopped out upon my opening Netscape Mail,
>>>I decided to click on one about the best cars of '03.  Even though mine
>>>is an '02, I am happy to be in the Top 25 and to be the cheapest of them
>>>all:     http://netscape.consumerreports.org/ntautos/crauto87.html
>>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>
>>Has any other wordsler bought a new car in the last three years?  If so,
>>please tell.
>>
>>
>>    --bonniev
>
>2000 Passat. Love it.
>
>lisa

ps. It's not the Passat listed. For starters my car isn't a 4 cyl.

lisa

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> BrP:
> >Signs have been appearing around Syracuse reading
>
> Are Syracusians particularly known for
> drunken basketball yahoo-ery?  I'm just
> trying to get a feel for this weekend's
> neighborhood invasion.


Hmmm.  How to answer this ?   Syracuse is generally pretty interested in basketball
because the Orangemen are often in at least the top 25.  The timing of March Madness,
coming, as it does, near the end of winter means that Orangemen in the Final Four is
the occasion for considerable yahooery.  Much of it will be drunken, though on the
streets around campus there is a very strictly enforced no-open-containers law and that
should cut down on the out of control mob scene somewhat.


>
> Do they still have that small chap in
> the round orange mascot outfit, or have
> they PC-ed their team name, too?



Otto the Orange.
What's un-PC about a piece of fruit?


>
> --
> "Longhorns is animal abuse."

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=
= Has any other wordsler bought a new car in the last three years?  If so,
= please tell.
=
=
=     --bonniev

My dad just bought a Volkswagan Passat stationwagon.

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whimsy:
= =
= = Has any other wordsler bought a new car in the last three years?  If so,
= = please tell.
= =
= =
= =     --bonniev
=
= My dad just bought a Volkswagen Passat stationwagon.

Oh, right.  And it is well loved.  My stepmom must've drove (ha
ha) every car salesman in the county nuts.  She walks around with
a list of questions on a clipboard, and she was comparing it to
her old love, Susie the Subaru.  Susie stranded my stepmom twice
in one week and that was about it for my dad.

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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:02:02 -0600
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But she is stuck and can't come till this afternoon.:(

Karen

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>around campus there is a very strictly
>enforced no-open-containers law

Which means that, when they get here and
learn that we have no such rule, they'll
devolve into knuckle-dragging brutes.

> Otto the Orange.
> What's un-PC about a piece of fruit?

I dunno.  I figured somebody'd bitch about
the Irish Troubles or something.

And anyway, that's a pretty suspicious
Germanic-sounding name.

--
Richard                 ...to sport in it

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 9:48:06 AM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>> Friday, April 4, 2003, 8:02:13 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>> > ...that my ears will be burning today.
>>
>> But you looooooove being the center of attention, don't you,
>> sweetie?:)
>>
>> ET #3

> Holy Shit, I bet you really talk like this.  ICK to the three of yez!

Sometimes we do. We are sickening, I know. And that makes us
happy.:)

ET #3

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > I also see that I need to learn more about the exact relations and
> > subordination of the army and -- I think, ngo -- Defence Union/League

> If you get into thinking about U.S. military ranks, keep in mind that
> the Navy uses some of the same rank names as the other branches but with
> different meaning

Oh, I guess the ranks go high above my head. Not that they'd be so hard to
learn but I guess till now I haven't been interested enough. Only felt
sometimes that it'd be good to know them, at least those in bigger armies in
the past and nowadays. Well, yes, knowledge of them is perhaps a part of
general education as well, something that some little boys use to have since I
don't know how early.

When I spoke about subordination I meant it more generally -- the defence
forces of the state and those consisting of voluntaries.

But if I should start making the ranks clear to myself I take your advice in
account.

Kristin

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Friday, April 4, 2003, 8:02:13 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > ...that my ears will be burning today.
>
> But you looooooove being the center of attention, don't you,
> sweetie?:)
>
> ET #3

Holy Shit, I bet you really talk like this.  ICK to the three of yez!

Ann

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>
>Has any other wordsler bought a new car in the last three years?  If so,
> please tell.
>
>
>     --bonniev

A '99 Honda CRV, about a year ago.

/Jim

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 9:08:07 AM, no straight, chaser wrote:
> What's New: They added another day to the
> first weekend.

This is, like, SO New Orleansian!

ET #3

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Sometimes we do. We are sickening, I know. And that makes us
> happy.:)

Well I think you should put on the subject line something like ICK ALERT
or PATHETIC MORON TALK.

Ann

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> But she is stuck and can't come till this afternoon.:(
>
> Karen

Ooooh that's too baddy-waddy, poochikins - go play with your kitty!

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> On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > But she is stuck and can't come till this afternoon.:(
> >
> > Karen
>
> Ooooh that's too baddy-waddy, poochikins - go play with your kitty!

Ann, please put messages like this under the subject line PATHETIC MORON TALK


BrPPaul R. Barfoot
Special Collections
Syracuse University Library

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 10:15:28 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>> On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> > But she is stuck and can't come till this afternoon.:(
>> >
>> > Karen
>>
>> Ooooh that's too baddy-waddy, poochikins - go play with your kitty!

> Ann, please put messages like this under the subject line PATHETIC MORON TALK


> BrPPaul R. Barfoot
> Special Collections
> Syracuse University Library

I love it when you go all butch.:)

ET #3

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> > Ann, please put messages like this under the subject line PATHETIC MORON TALK
>
>
> > BrPPaul R. Barfoot
> > Special Collections
> > Syracuse University Library
>
> I love it when you go all butch.:)

If that's an attempt at butch, it's a PATHETIC MORON ATTEMPT!

Ann

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bonniev wrote:

> Has any other wordsler bought a new car in the last three years?  If so,
> please tell.

Verdant bought a Honda Element.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Let it go, T-Bone.  Watch "Survivor" and be happy.
>
> Survivor makes me angry and tense. Do you have other recommendations?

It's the only thing I regularly watch on tv, so I'll have to ask others
to help provide answers.  Hmm.  I guess the recommendations don't all
have to be about tv, though, do they.  Maybe you need a dog to pet.

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> >
> > I love it when you go all butch.:)
>
> If that's an attempt at butch, it's a PATHETIC MORON ATTEMPT!
>
> Ann

Yes Ann, you're much more butch than I will ever be.

BrP

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:
>
> > Do you know much about the NO Jazz Festival?
>
> Y'mean, like, apart from other things,
> that it is too crowded, too expensive,
> and that -- after all these years --
> they still don't have a clue about the
> Beer Situation?

This is good to hear.  I'm leaning against going.  Too much trouble.
What is the Beer Situation, though?

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:

> He's "only" 72, which surprised me.

The reason I thought he was older or dead is that I don't remember ever
thinking of him as <young>.  I think of him as having been middle aged
from whenever he first rose to fame.

> The good news for you, Natalie, is that
> he will be playing at a joint near his
> home in (get ready for it): Bay St. Louis.

Hmm.  His home as in he lives there all the time, or is it a second
home?  It would be nice to think he's a regular resident of Mississippi
-- nice for things like income taxes.

Maybe if I move to BSL, he'll come over to my house to play his clarinet
in accompaniment to my piano playing.  We can invite friends and <jam>.

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> What is the Beer Situation, though?

Three dollars a can, plucked from a
garbage tub full of bodytemp water.

Yu-fakkin-um!

--
Richard                 ...to sport in it

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>>They added another day to the first weekend.
> This is, like, SO New Orleansian!

Some would ascribe other motives to
the innovation.

--
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>
> Yes Ann, you're much more butch than I will ever be.

thanks, hon

I'm even more butch than T*SHAR!

Ann

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> At 08:43 AM 4/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >>This time when the headlines flopped out upon my opening Netscape
Mail,
> >>I decided to click on one about the best cars of '03.  Even though
mine
> >>is an '02, I am happy to be in the Top 25 and to be the cheapest of
them
> >>all:     http://netscape.consumerreports.org/ntautos/crauto87.html
> >>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >
> >Has any other wordsler bought a new car in the last three years?  If
so,
> >please tell.
> >
> >
> >    --bonniev

No, but on TV the other night I saw the hydrogen
car that GM is working on.  It is way weirdly
different . . the motor is under the floor . .
there are no foot petals . . you drive with like
handlebars and squeeze them to stop the car.
It was fascinating.  Said it would be out in
2010 and they expect to sell 1 million that year.
Should we buy GM stock?

            - D. M.

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:

http://www.nola.com/search/index.ssf?/base/entertainment-0/1049028924134960.xml?nola

The above site includes the answer to my question re his BSL house:

*******
And Fountain is in final negotiations to perform twice weekly at a venue
near his vacation home in Bay St. Louis, Miss. An announcement is
expected this week.
*******
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 10:43:34 AM, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> Yes Ann, you're much more butch than I will ever be.

> thanks, hon

> I'm even more butch than T*SHAR!

You probably have more hair on your head than he does.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > What's New: They added another day to the
> > first weekend.
>
> This is, like, SO New Orleansian!

Why?

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 10:47:14 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > What's New: They added another day to the
>> > first weekend.
>>
>> This is, like, SO New Orleansian!

> Why?

To add an extra day to the weekend? Lagniappe--and it creates
more funs.

ET #3

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Hehe "foot petals"  there should be a sniglet for an image induced by a typo.

BrP




> No, but on TV the other night I saw the hydrogen
> car that GM is working on.  It is way weirdly
> different . . the motor is under the floor . .
> there are no foot petals . . you drive with like
> handlebars and squeeze them to stop the car.
> It was fascinating.  Said it would be out in
> 2010 and they expect to sell 1 million that year.
> Should we buy GM stock?
>
>             - D. M.

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> > What is the Beer Situation, though?
>
> Three dollars a can, plucked from a
> garbage tub full of bodytemp water.
>
> Yu-fakkin-um!
>
> --
> Richard                 ...to sport in it

Three???  At the Carrier Dome it's $4.50 - but at least it's cold.

BrP

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> > Oh, goody.  I haven't even bought the yarn yet, much less mailed it.
>
>Time's a-wasting!
>ET #3

I quickly got my act together and mailed off a kit to you today.  I mailed
it priority.  You should get it Monday or Tuesday.


    --bonniev

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> > >Survivor makes me angry and tense. Do you have other recommendations?
> >
> > The Guiding Light.  3 p.m. EST in most markets.   10 a.m. in some.
>
>But that "Greek" ch*k is gone, I thought.

There are others.


    --bonniev

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>Is Paul the only person you know without a computer at home?
>ET #3

Yes.   Well, my good friend Rose Ann has no computer but she has an email
device.   Please take into account that I am a recluse and don't know very
many people.


    --bonniev

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At 08:43 AM 4/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>This time when the headlines flopped out upon my opening Netscape Mail,
>>I decided to click on one about the best cars of '03.  Even though mine
>>is an '02, I am happy to be in the Top 25 and to be the cheapest of them
>>all:     http://netscape.consumerreports.org/ntautos/crauto87.html
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>Has any other wordsler bought a new car in the last three years?  If so,
>please tell.

We bought a used car.  Janet just bought one that sounded great. I forgot
what it was. A Honda?

Betty

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>     --bonniev
> One more day to "let the good times roll".

Man.

You people have really bought into
that crap, haven't you?

--
Richard                 ...to sport in it

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> >     --bonniev
> > One more day to "let the good times roll".
>
>Man.
>
>You people have really bought into
>that crap, haven't you?
>Richard                 ...to sport in it

Yup.  And I have the t-shirt to prove it.   I was there three different
times for the Endymion Parade Saturday night before Mardi Gras.   It was fun.


    --bonniev

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> >Is Paul the only person you know without a computer at home?
> >ET #3
>
> Yes.   Well, my good friend Rose Ann has no computer but she has an email
> device.   Please take into account that I am a recluse and don't know very
> many people.
>
>
>     --bonniev

aha that's the difference.  I am a (whatever the opposite of recluse is) and know too
many people.

BrP

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>The timing of March Madness,
>coming, as it does, near the end of winter means that Orangemen in the
>Final Four is
>the occasion for considerable yahooery.  Much of it will be drunken,

The Syracuse men's crew pretty much destroyed a motel in Oak Ridge,
Tennessee one March many years ago.


    --bonniev

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>Karen Kay wrote:
> > > What's New: They added another day to the first weekend.
> >
> > This is, like, SO New Orleansian!
>
>Why?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

One more day to "let the good times roll".


    --bonniev

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At 07:48 AM 4/4/2003 -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Friday, April 4, 2003, 8:02:13 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > > ...that my ears will be burning today.
> >
> > But you looooooove being the center of attention, don't you,
> > sweetie?:)
> >
> > ET #3
>
>Holy Shit, I bet you really talk like this.  ICK to the three of yez!

I've been ready to regurgitate since they became the ETs.

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On 4 Apr 2003 at 8:21, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Survivor makes me angry and tense. Do you have other recommendations?

24. Tuesday nights.

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At 10:35 AM 4/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>bonniev wrote:
>
> > Has any other wordsler bought a new car in the last three years?  If so,
> > please tell.
>
>Verdant bought a Honda Element.

That's it!

Betty

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> Three???  At the Carrier Dome it's $4.50 - but at least it's cold.

The ironically un-airconditioned Carrier
Dome...

Actually, I may have misspoken.  It was
$3 the last time I was there, which was
two years ago.

At the Superdome and the Arena it's $5,
last time I checked.

--
Richard                 ...to sport in it

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>aha that's the difference.  I am a (whatever the opposite of recluse is)
>and know too
>many people.        --BrP

You are a lover of mankind, a party boy, a gentle soul.


    --bonniev

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 12:25:47 PM, Betty Clark wrote:

> At 12:17 PM 4/4/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Friday, April 4, 2003, 11:42:23 AM, bonniev wrote:
>>
>> >>aha that's the difference.  I am a (whatever the opposite of recluse is)
>> >>and know too
>> >>many people.        --BrP
>>
>> > You are a lover of mankind, a party boy, a gentle soul.
>>
>>A *PARTY BOY*??????????

> You didn't know that about him?  You don't know BrP.

I know that he is at least as much monkey as a barrel of funs.

But no, Party Boy are not the first words I would use to describe
ET #1.

ET #3

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At 12:42 PM 4/4/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>aha that's the difference.  I am a (whatever the opposite of recluse is)
>>and know too
>>many people.        --BrP
>
>You are a lover of mankind, a party boy, a gentle soul.

I like that in a person.

Betty

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 11:42:23 AM, bonniev wrote:

>>aha that's the difference.  I am a (whatever the opposite of recluse is)
>>and know too
>>many people.        --BrP

> You are a lover of mankind, a party boy, a gentle soul.

A *PARTY BOY*??????????

ET #3

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Well . . I'm doing this with my operated eye closed.
That's my first excuse.  Secondingly, I might say this
was the flowery version.  Maybe I've been
influenced by that quote Bonniev gave us the
other day.

                         - D. M.


> Hehe "foot petals"  there should be a sniglet for an image induced by
a typo.
>
> BrP
>
>
>
>
> > No, but on TV the other night I saw the hydrogen
> > car that GM is working on.  It is way weirdly
> > different . . the motor is under the floor . .
> > there are no foot petals . . you drive with like
> > handlebars and squeeze them to stop the car.
> > It was fascinating.  Said it would be out in
> > 2010 and they expect to sell 1 million that year.
> > Should we buy GM stock?
> >
> >             - D. M.
>

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At 12:17 PM 4/4/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Friday, April 4, 2003, 11:42:23 AM, bonniev wrote:
>
> >>aha that's the difference.  I am a (whatever the opposite of recluse is)
> >>and know too
> >>many people.        --BrP
>
> > You are a lover of mankind, a party boy, a gentle soul.
>
>A *PARTY BOY*??????????

You didn't know that about him?  You don't know BrP.

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My scanner scans and saves stuff as .tif, but PaintShop Pro says
it's not really a tif(f), and won't open it. Any hints?

Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 1:48 PM
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>
>
>My scanner scans and saves stuff as .tif, but PaintShop Pro says
>it's not really a tif(f), and won't open it. Any hints?
>
>Karen
>

Can't it save as a .jpg. Most scanner software supports other formats.


alec

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 12:50:06 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>>Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 1:48 PM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Scanning woes
>>
>>
>>My scanner scans and saves stuff as .tif, but PaintShop Pro says
>>it's not really a tif(f), and won't open it. Any hints?
>>
>>Karen
>>

> Can't it save as a .jpg. Most scanner software supports other formats.


Nope, that's the only option. It's the scanning software native
to XP.

ET #3

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 1:52 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>Friday, April 4, 2003, 12:50:06 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>>>Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 1:48 PM
>>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>Subject: Scanning woes
>>>
>>>
>>>My scanner scans and saves stuff as .tif, but PaintShop Pro says
>>>it's not really a tif(f), and won't open it. Any hints?
>>>
>>>Karen
>>>
>
>> Can't it save as a .jpg. Most scanner software supports
>other formats.
>
>
>Nope, that's the only option. It's the scanning software native
>to XP.
>
>ET #3
>

Your scanner came with some software. Download a copy from the vendor's
website.



alec

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>>A *PARTY BOY*??????????
>
>You didn't know that about him?  You don't know BrP.

Yeah, Karen.   How well do you really know paul?   How often have you met,
ftf?  He was the life of the party at SnowBash.


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay writes,

>My scanner scans and saves stuff as .tif, but PaintShop Pro says
>it's not really a tif(f), and won't open it. Any hints?

Look for saving options on your scanner (byte order, compression type) and
try changing them.

Failing that, get a graphics file converter, which should be able to read
the scanner TIFFs and write something acceptable to PSP.

I'm not up on which converter is free+best anymore, sorry.  A program which
would work, but is a (very good) image organizer instead of a dedicated
converter, is SuperJPG <http://www.midnightblue.com/superjpg/>.  I've been
using it forever, and like it very much.  It is $24, though.

Related wiki page: <http://www.istori.com/cgi-bin/wiki?ImageManagement>.

Pete

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 12:55:43 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>>Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 1:52 PM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: Scanning woes
>>
>>
>>Friday, April 4, 2003, 12:50:06 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>>>>Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 1:48 PM
>>>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>>Subject: Scanning woes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>My scanner scans and saves stuff as .tif, but PaintShop Pro says
>>>>it's not really a tif(f), and won't open it. Any hints?
>>>>
>>>>Karen
>>>>
>>
>>> Can't it save as a .jpg. Most scanner software supports
>>other formats.
>>
>>
>>Nope, that's the only option. It's the scanning software native
>>to XP.
>>
>>ET #3
>>

> Your scanner came with some software. Download a copy from the vendor's
> website.

I tried; couldn't find any. They want to sell me software, and I
don't want to buy.

ET #3

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> All the best to you, Alyce, whatever you decide to do.
>     mem

Yes - and, can we help?  We'll want you with us as long as possible.

Ann

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> > Yeah, Karen.   How well do you really know paul?   How often have you met,
> > ftf?  He was the life of the party at SnowBash.
>
>Well, of course! We are always the life of the party wherever we
>go, because that's what ET's ARE, for heavens sake. But we have
>our serious side, too.      --ET #3

Answer the questions, K@R3N .


    --bonniev

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
> Another thing, it might be worth getting one more opinion from someone at a
> major medical center which has expertise on this type of cancer. Don't know
> how this will happen, but it might be an option.

I have three opinions now (St. Peter's in Albany is a major medical
center and cancer treatment place--that is where the biopsy was done and
the surgeon was very lugubrious about chemo for me--he didn't even want
to do the biopsy), and am not up for anymore. If my lungs were not
already compromised these last four years, there might be a chance for
me having aggressive treatment. But they are in very poor shape. This is
the part of the equation that people seem to forget. And now I am
extremely weak and frail--you'd have to see me before and after to
appreciate this. I barely can get the 100 feet from bed to bathroom, so
wouldn't know what to do if I were barfing very much.

Also, I don't have a loving husband as Heide does to pull me through it.

alyce

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02003-04-04 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >> >> The Guiding Light.  3 p.m. EST in most markets.   10 a.m. in some.
> >> >
> >> >But that "Greek" ch*k is gone, I thought.
> >>
> >> There are others.
> >
> >There can't BE others.
>
> You are so negative.  Such a pessimist.   Go out there and look.  There's
> always another Greek ch*ck waiting to be found.

This is where you are wrong, sorry. Given these many years you think
I didn't trawl Greek town extensively? It's a ten minute walk from
work ... they are not waiting to be found, they are already found.
Usually by lamers, but found.

PS: you are excused.

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Betty Clark wrote
>
 I respect  your choice but it all makes me
> very sad, too. Can you have hospice come to you?  Insist on an Internet
> connection and get a laptop.

The way hospice works here is that you stay in your house. They send a
person twice a week for personal care if you need it, and a nurse brings
meds as needed. They do not allow pain--meds are always available in
amounts required and I am not to worry about it. They pay for all drugs,
oxygen, potty seat, wheel chair, whatever you need. There are volunteers
to do shopping and some food prep or just to sit with you if need be.
Medicare Part A covers it all. Toward the end, if things cannot be
handled at home, there are ten hospice beds available at the hospital.
You cannot stay there for a long time, but perhaps as much as a week or
two, depending. Doug and Jeff will come but don't know for how long or
how often yet. We have not had time today to work that out.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> alyce cresap wrote:
> >
> > Well, Dr. Vu seems to lie. Saw the new pulmonologist today. He is a
> > wonderful and sweet man. He told me that 6-12 months was dreamland, and
> > that it is really more like 2-3. So I wouldn't even live to do the
> > chemo. I was not too surprised, considering how weak and frail I have
>
> But why believe the new pulmonologist over Dr. Vu?  Dr. Vu may be the
> one who's right.
>
Because I was shown the scans and told how to interpret them today. No
one else has done that. Also, by the way I feel, which is not great (no
pain, just total fatigue).
Also, because now I have two more opinions. So, if I live more than 2-3,
it is all to the good, but I can tell you that about 2400 pounds of fear
and dread fell from my shoulders the moment I decided not to have chemo,
which was apt to kill me in the long run. Even Dr. Vu admitted that it
was chancey, remember, and that I could only try "light."

alyce

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> bonniev wrote:
>
> > You are a brave lady, alyce.
>
> Yes.
>
> >  We
> > love you.
>
> Yes.

Thanks for the love. It is not so much bravery as cowardice, I think.
But the idea of chemo, in my totally exhausted state, was terribly
scary. I didn't mention it, but outside of the house I need a wheelchair
now--I am no longer spry.

alyce

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> At 03:15 PM 4/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >>On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >> > ET #3
> >>
> >>
> >>'ET' stands for execrable twit.
> >>Ann
> >
> >Yup.  We got the twit triplet, the party boy triplet, and the true blue,
> >brave triplet.   So now they can drop the numbers and just use the
> >.sigs:  tt, pbt, and tbbt.   I have spoken.
> >
> >
> >    --bonniev
>
> I've never been able to think of Alyce as a stupid ET from the beginning of
> this silliness.

Well, BB - you WERE the one who started it.  Karen and I simply recognized certain
<qualities> in alyce.

BrP

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> >I've never been able to think of Alyce as a stupid ET from the beginning of
> >this silliness.      --badbetty
>
> True.  After all, what was this whole premise based on?   These three
> people have wicked senses of humor and were all quite cute as
> children.   That could very likely be said of most wordslers.  I know I was
> an extremely charming and winsome child.
>
>
>     --bonniev

pictures!!!!


BrP

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As seems to be the case much of the time, CBS has more detail than CNN:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/01/health/main547274.shtml

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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On Friday, April 04, 2003 at 15:16, John Williams wrote:

> Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > Is he over reacting?
>
>     No, but the usual suspects who will be accusing him of racism will be.

We Canadians are fair game after the "moron" comment. "Toronto? No,
sniff, never - a a a atchoo! - heard of it."

Tony H.

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02003-04-04 | "no straight, chaser" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> >Has any other wordsler bought a new car in
> >the last three years?  If so, please tell.
>
> NO BLOOD FOR OIL.

I think you showed just as wittily about a month ago that the
mention of the word "car" proves the absurdity of "no blood
for oil" ... time to move on to wittier things I'd say ...

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Karen,

check out. It is FREE.

http://www.irfanview.com/


alec

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 12:55:46 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>>My scanner scans and saves stuff as .tif, but PaintShop Pro says
>>it's not really a tif(f), and won't open it. Any hints?

> Look for saving options on your scanner (byte order, compression type) and
> try changing them.

There aren't any, unfortunately.

> Failing that, get a graphics file converter, which should be able to read
> the scanner TIFFs and write something acceptable to PSP.

I'll look at this later (Carolyn should be here any minute),
thank you.

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 12:55:46 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Failing that, get a graphics file converter, which should be able to read
> the scanner TIFFs and write something acceptable to PSP.

> I'm not up on which converter is free+best anymore, sorry.  A program which
> would work, but is a (very good) image organizer instead of a dedicated
> converter, is SuperJPG <http://www.midnightblue.com/superjpg/>.  I've been
> using it forever, and like it very much.  It is $24, though.

There's a free trial--but it won't read the scans.

I guess what I need is scanner software.

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02003-04-04 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >> >Survivor makes me angry and tense. Do you have other recommendations?
> >>
> >> The Guiding Light.  3 p.m. EST in most markets.   10 a.m. in some.
> >
> >But that "Greek" ch*k is gone, I thought.
>
> There are others.

There can't BE others.

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 1:18:02 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> check out. It is FREE.

> http://www.irfanview.com/

Thanks, I guess the problem isn't the viewing but the scanning.

ET #3

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Well, Dr. Vu seems to lie. Saw the new pulmonologist today. He is a
wonderful and sweet man. He told me that 6-12 months was dreamland, and
that it is really more like 2-3. So I wouldn't even live to do the
chemo. I was not too surprised, considering how weak and frail I have
become. So I cancelled the port installation, the brain and bone scans,
and the next appointment with Dr. Vu. I'll sign up for hospice and just
fade out gently.

alyce
--
alyce cresap, books & ephemera
po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
http://www.alybooks.com
charter member: IOBA
independent on-line booksellers association
selling books since 1963

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 2:39 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Free viewer and image changer for Karen
>
>
>Friday, April 4, 2003, 1:18:02 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>> check out. It is FREE.
>
>> http://www.irfanview.com/
>
>Thanks, I guess the problem isn't the viewing but the scanning.
>
>ET #3
>

The scanner software produces a file. Open file with a view and convert to
whatever format you need it to do.


alec

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 1:41:15 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>>Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 2:39 PM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: Free viewer and image changer for Karen
>>
>>
>>Friday, April 4, 2003, 1:18:02 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>> check out. It is FREE.
>>
>>> http://www.irfanview.com/
>>
>>Thanks, I guess the problem isn't the viewing but the scanning.
>>
>>ET #3
>>

> The scanner software produces a file.

Yes, it does.

> Open file with a view and convert to
> whatever format you need it to do.

What part of 'I can't do that' don't you understand, Alec? I
can't get any software to open up the saved scan.

ET #3

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 12:55:08 PM, bonniev wrote:

>>>A *PARTY BOY*??????????
>>
>>You didn't know that about him?  You don't know BrP.

> Yeah, Karen.   How well do you really know paul?   How often have you met,
> ftf?  He was the life of the party at SnowBash.

Well, of course! We are always the life of the party wherever we
go, because that's what ET's ARE, for heavens sake. But we have
our serious side, too.

ET #3

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 1:39:01 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

> On 4 Apr 2003 at 13:24, Karen Kay wrote:

>> I guess what I need is scanner software.

> Maybe your XP installation left out some of the frills. When I use
> the MS scanner and camera wizard--which I presume is what you're
> talking about--I get multiple save options: TIF, BMP, JPG, and PNG.

Hm. No, I don't. Very, very odd.

ET #3

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of alyce cresap
>Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 2:36 PM
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>
>
>Well, Dr. Vu seems to lie. Saw the new pulmonologist today. He is a
>wonderful and sweet man. He told me that 6-12 months was dreamland, and
>that it is really more like 2-3. So I wouldn't even live to do the
>chemo. I was not too surprised, considering how weak and frail I have
>become. So I cancelled the port installation, the brain and bone scans,
>and the next appointment with Dr. Vu. I'll sign up for hospice and just
>fade out gently.
>

Wow!  I am so sorry. doctor's opinions are guesses, not fact which is
horrible. If they start aggressive treatment now, is there a maybe? I would
fight for that option.


alec

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Alec D. Plotkin
>Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 2:47 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of alyce cresap
>>Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 2:36 PM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Dr. Vu
>>
>>
>>Well, Dr. Vu seems to lie. Saw the new pulmonologist today. He is a
>>wonderful and sweet man. He told me that 6-12 months was
>dreamland, and
>>that it is really more like 2-3. So I wouldn't even live to do the
>>chemo. I was not too surprised, considering how weak and frail I have
>>become. So I cancelled the port installation, the brain and
>bone scans,
>>and the next appointment with Dr. Vu. I'll sign up for
>hospice and just
>>fade out gently.
>>
>
>Wow!  I am so sorry. doctor's opinions are guesses, not fact which is
>horrible. If they start aggressive treatment now, is there a
>maybe? I would
>fight for that option.
>
>
>alec
>

Another thing, it might be worth getting one more opinion from someone at a
major medical center which has expertise on this type of cancer. Don't know
how this will happen, but it might be an option.



Alec

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>I was not too surprised, considering how weak and frail I have
>become. So I cancelled the port installation, the brain and bone scans,
>and the next appointment with Dr. Vu. I'll sign up for hospice and just
>fade out gently.         --alyce

You are a brave lady, alyce.   You will go out with grace and style.   We
love you.


    --bonniev

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>
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>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>>
>> Another thing, it might be worth getting one more opinion
>from someone at a
>> major medical center which has expertise on this type of
>cancer. Don't know
>> how this will happen, but it might be an option.
>
>I have three opinions now (St. Peter's in Albany is a major medical
>center and cancer treatment place--that is where the biopsy
>was done and
>the surgeon was very lugubrious about chemo for me--he didn't even want
>to do the biopsy), and am not up for anymore. If my lungs were not
>already compromised these last four years, there might be a chance for
>me having aggressive treatment. But they are in very poor
>shape. This is
>the part of the equation that people seem to forget. And now I am
>extremely weak and frail--you'd have to see me before and after to
>appreciate this. I barely can get the 100 feet from bed to bathroom, so
>wouldn't know what to do if I were barfing very much.
>
>Also, I don't have a loving husband as Heide does to pull me
>through it.
>
>alyce
>

Then I am very sorry. I wish there was another option. Heide pulled me
through, she has been the strong one.



alec

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On 4 Apr 2003 at 13:24, Karen Kay wrote:

> I guess what I need is scanner software.

Maybe your XP installation left out some of the frills. When I use
the MS scanner and camera wizard--which I presume is what you're
talking about--I get multiple save options: TIF, BMP, JPG, and PNG.

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On 4 Apr 2003 at 14:36, alyce cresap wrote:

> Well, Dr. Vu seems to lie. Saw the new pulmonologist today. He is a
> wonderful and sweet man. He told me that 6-12 months was dreamland, and
> that it is really more like 2-3. So I wouldn't even live to do the chemo.

It's doubtful that the first doctor would deliberately lie to you,
so what you have here, it seems to me, is just two opinions.
Neither is necessarily definitive, but the oncologist does, after
all, specialize in the treatment of these conditions.

All the best to you, Alyce, whatever you decide to do.


    mem

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Well, Dr. Vu seems to lie. Saw the new pulmonologist today. He is a
> wonderful and sweet man. He told me that 6-12 months was dreamland, and
> that it is really more like 2-3. So I wouldn't even live to do the
> chemo. I was not too surprised, considering how weak and frail I have

But why believe the new pulmonologist over Dr. Vu?  Dr. Vu may be the
one who's right.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> > >> The Guiding Light.  3 p.m. EST in most markets.   10 a.m. in some.
> > >
> > >But that "Greek" ch*k is gone, I thought.
> >
> > There are others.
>
>There can't BE others.

You are so negative.  Such a pessimist.   Go out there and look.  There's
always another Greek ch*ck waiting to be found.


    --bonniev

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yOn Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> ET #3


'ET' stands for execrable twit.

Ann

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alyce cresap wrote:

> And now I am
> extremely weak and frail--you'd have to see me before and after to
> appreciate this.

Alyce, I'm so sorry.

Kristin

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bonniev wrote:

> You are a brave lady, alyce.

Yes.

>  We
> love you.

Yes.

Kristin

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>On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> > ET #3
>
>
>'ET' stands for execrable twit.
>Ann

Yup.  We got the twit triplet, the party boy triplet, and the true blue,
brave triplet.   So now they can drop the numbers and just use the
.sigs:  tt, pbt, and tbbt.   I have spoken.


    --bonniev

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At 02:36 PM 4/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, Dr. Vu seems to lie. Saw the new pulmonologist today. He is a
>wonderful and sweet man. He told me that 6-12 months was dreamland, and
>that it is really more like 2-3. So I wouldn't even live to do the
>chemo. I was not too surprised, considering how weak and frail I have
>become. So I cancelled the port installation, the brain and bone scans,
>and the next appointment with Dr. Vu. I'll sign up for hospice and just
>fade out gently.
>
>alyce

Are you a very brave woman and I respect  your choice but it all makes me
very sad, too. Can you have hospice come to you?  Insist on an Internet
connection and get a laptop.

Betty

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At 03:15 PM 4/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>> > ET #3
>>
>>
>>'ET' stands for execrable twit.
>>Ann
>
>Yup.  We got the twit triplet, the party boy triplet, and the true blue,
>brave triplet.   So now they can drop the numbers and just use the
>.sigs:  tt, pbt, and tbbt.   I have spoken.
>
>
>    --bonniev

I've never been able to think of Alyce as a stupid ET from the beginning of
this silliness.

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>
> Can't it save as a .jpg. Most scanner software supports other formats.
>
>
> alec

I can change tif to jpg with my
Adobe Photo Deluxe.

              - D. M.

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At 12:08 PM 4/4/2003 -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
>yOn Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > ET #3
>
>
>'ET' stands for execrable twit.
>
>Ann


YaY

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> Well, Dr. Vu seems to lie. Saw the new pulmonologist today. He is a
> wonderful and sweet man. He told me that 6-12 months was dreamland,
and
> that it is really more like 2-3. So I wouldn't even live to do the
> chemo. I was not too surprised, considering how weak and frail I have
> become. So I cancelled the port installation, the brain and bone
scans,
> and the next appointment with Dr. Vu. I'll sign up for hospice and
just
> fade out gently.
>
> alyce

Alyce, are you able to eat?  Taking any food supplement?
It must be hard to make decisions when you are
feeling so weak.

I don't know what decision I would make in your shoes.
No one does.  I once asked my family doctor, some
years ago, if I should ever find myself with cancer and
I opt to forego treatment, what would happen, and
he said you would just go faster.  Having watched all
the treatments prolong my sister's life for two years,
I can't really say much for the quality of those 2 years,
yet that was what she wanted and it meant a lot to her
to fight as long as she could.

Whichever way you decide, may we walk along with you?

                - D. M.

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02003-04-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Friday, April 4, 2003, 8:02:13 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > > ...that my ears will be burning today.
> >
> > But you looooooove being the center of attention, don't you,
> > sweetie?:)
> >
> > ET #3
>
> Holy Shit, I bet you really talk like this.  ICK to the three of yez!

If K-R-N talked like this to me, I have repressed the memory.

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Betty Clark wrote:

> I've never been able to think of Alyce as a stupid ET from the beginning of
> this silliness.

I guess I wasn't reading carefully.  I thought clo was the other Effortful
Twit.

Ann

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>I've never been able to think of Alyce as a stupid ET from the beginning of
>this silliness.      --badbetty

True.  After all, what was this whole premise based on?   These three
people have wicked senses of humor and were all quite cute as
children.   That could very likely be said of most wordslers.  I know I was
an extremely charming and winsome child.


    --bonniev

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:

> people have wicked senses of humor and were all quite cute as
> children.   That could very likely be said of most wordslers.  I know I was
> an extremely charming and winsome child.

Not me.  I was so butch people ran in terror.

Ann

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02003-04-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> yOn Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > ET #3
>
>
> 'ET' stands for execrable twit.

I think Dr Borkin needs a hug. {{{{{{{{{{{BORKIN}}}}}]]]]

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> If K-R-N talked like this to me, I have repressed the memory.

uh huh.

Does the phrase "My Tushar" ring any bells, huh huh?

Ann

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>I guess I wasn't reading carefully.  I thought clo was the other Effortful
>Twit.       --Ann

Go to the web page and look at the nice picture Tushar put up of the three
of them.


    --bonniev

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> I think Dr Borkin needs a hug. {{{{{{{{{{{BORKIN}}}}}]]]]

Get away from me, Ice Queen!

Butch the Bitch

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02003-04-04 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> http://satirewire.com/news/july02/viagra.shtml

That's incredibly butch!

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> On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:
>
> > people have wicked senses of humor and were all quite cute as
> > children.   That could very likely be said of most wordslers.  I know I was
> > an extremely charming and winsome child.
>
> Not me.  I was so butch people ran in terror.
>
> Ann

I know I'm scared of you


BrP

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02003-04-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > If K-R-N talked like this to me, I have repressed the memory.
>
> uh huh.
>
> Does the phrase "My Tushar" ring any bells, huh huh?

I am issuing a "butch duel" challenge. We will discuss these topics
at the duel.

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> > I know I was an extremely charming and winsome child.
> >     --bonniev
>
>pictures!!!!
>BrP

Get away from me, you voyeur.   I have no place to put pictures.  And
Tushar can't be trusted.


    --bonniev

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> 02003-04-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > > If K-R-N talked like this to me, I have repressed the memory.
> >
> > uh huh.
> >
> > Does the phrase "My Tushar" ring any bells, huh huh?
>
> I am issuing a "butch duel" challenge. We will discuss these topics
> at the duel.

You issued the challenge - that means Borkin gets to choose the weapons - right?


BrP

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

> I know I'm scared of you

Goody, now for that other little package of fructose:  GIVE ME YOUR LUNCH
MONEY, ET WHATEVER YOUR NUMBER IS!

OH, I forgot.

GIMME YER DOWELS 'N' SHIT!

BB

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> On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>
> > I know I'm scared of you
>
> Goody, now for that other little package of fructose:  GIVE ME YOUR LUNCH
> MONEY, ET WHATEVER YOUR NUMBER IS!
>
> OH, I forgot.
>
> GIMME YER DOWELS 'N' SHIT!
>
> BB

Dowels ????  I'm already giving you shit.

BrP

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>time to move on to wittier things I'd say ...

Is there a PROBLEM, Tushar?

--
Richard                 ...to sport in it

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

> > Goody, now for that other little package of fructose:  GIVE ME YOUR LUNCH
> > MONEY, ET WHATEVER YOUR NUMBER IS!
> >
> > OH, I forgot.
> >
> > GIMME YER DOWELS 'N' SHIT!
> >
> > BB
>
> Dowels ????  I'm already giving you shit.

Dimwit, I was addressing the Effluent Twit in Texas.

BB

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At 12:47 PM 4/4/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > I've never been able to think of Alyce as a stupid ET from the beginning of
> > this silliness.
>
>I guess I wasn't reading carefully.  I thought clo was the other Effortful
>Twit.
>
>Ann

I think she is a twit wannabe.

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Alyce,

  I feel at a loss for words and wish I could just put my arms around you.  In truth,
none of us can ever know how long we have - it is a fact of the human condition.  I
can only wish that each day will be the best that it can be and that we each will find
whatever richness is available.  I treasure your friendship and your wit and your
outrage at injustice.  My offer of an ear is still good anytime it's useful and I send you
all the best thoughts and energy every day.

love,
Paul

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At 03:54 PM 4/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>I guess I wasn't reading carefully.  I thought clo was the other Effortful
>>Twit.       --Ann
>
>Go to the web page and look at the nice picture Tushar put up of the three
>of them.
>
>
>    --bonniev

I'll send him one of all the wordslers visiting Alyce after last year's
snowbash and your famous socks!

I did like that photo Tushar did though.

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At 03:55 PM 4/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > At 03:15 PM 4/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> > >> > ET #3
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>'ET' stands for execrable twit.
> > >>Ann
> > >
> > >Yup.  We got the twit triplet, the party boy triplet, and the true blue,
> > >brave triplet.   So now they can drop the numbers and just use the
> > >.sigs:  tt, pbt, and tbbt.   I have spoken.
> > >
> > >
> > >    --bonniev
> >
> > I've never been able to think of Alyce as a stupid ET from the beginning of
> > this silliness.
>
>Well, BB - you WERE the one who started it.  Karen and I simply recognized
>certain
><qualities> in alyce.
>
>BrP

You must be misremembering.  ET never came from this keyboard.

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At 04:01 PM 4/4/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>> > I know I was an extremely charming and winsome child.
>> >     --bonniev
>>
>>pictures!!!!
>>BrP
>
>Get away from me, you voyeur.   I have no place to put pictures.  And
>Tushar can't be trusted.
>
>
>    --bonniev

He'll rip you to shreds!

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> On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>
> > > Goody, now for that other little package of fructose:  GIVE ME YOUR LUNCH
> > > MONEY, ET WHATEVER YOUR NUMBER IS!
> > >
> > > OH, I forgot.
> > >
> > > GIMME YER DOWELS 'N' SHIT!
> > >
> > > BB
> >
> > Dowels ????  I'm already giving you shit.
>
> Dimwit, I was addressing the Effluent Twit in Texas.
>
> BB

Which is why you did so in reply to my message?

BrP

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>> Is there a PROBLEM, Tushar?
> Oh, no, I am fine!

Very well.  Carry on.

That is all.

--
Richard                 ...to sport in it

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>>Get away from me, you voyeur.   I have no place to put pictures.  And
>>Tushar can't be trusted.   --bonniev
>
>He'll rip you to shreds!

God knows, he's done it before.  When I google on Bonnie Voigtlander, I get
the web pages that Tushar put up.


    --bonniev

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Who has good eyes for detail?

Is that Sadaam or isn't it?

                   - D. M.

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02003-04-04 | "no straight, chaser" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> >> Is there a PROBLEM, Tushar?
> > Oh, no, I am fine!
>
> Very well.  Carry on.
>
> That is all.

You are too kind!

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-- President Bush issues executive order allowing quarantine of SARS, other
infectious patients.
Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com, AOL Keyword:CNN for the latest news.

Is he over reacting?

Betty

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> -- President Bush issues executive order allowing quarantine of SARS, other
> infectious patients.
> Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com, AOL Keyword:CNN for the latest news.
>
> Is he over reacting?

I thought this was already being done -- that people with SARS were
already being quarantined.  Does it require an executive order?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

> > Dimwit, I was addressing the Effluent Twit in Texas.
> >
> > BB
>
> Which is why you did so in reply to my message?

Yes, you're both twin tits, can't tell one from the other, fungible, as it
were.

BB

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At 04:43 PM 4/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Get away from me, you voyeur.   I have no place to put pictures.  And
>>>Tushar can't be trusted.   --bonniev
>>
>>He'll rip you to shreds!
>
>God knows, he's done it before.  When I google on Bonnie Voigtlander, I get
>the web pages that Tushar put up.
>
>
>    --bonniev

Wait until you google on pimpdaddy!

Betty

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02003-04-04 | "no straight, chaser" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> >time to move on to wittier things I'd say ...
>
> Is there a PROBLEM, Tushar?

Oh, no, I am fine!

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bonniev wrote:

>>        We're learning all kinds of interesting things about
>> insurance companies around here.
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> And why is that??
>


        Almost exactly two years ago, we were hit with a catastrophic
hail storm.  My neighborhood was dead center for the most
damage.  We had hail stones like softballs that did millions
in damage -- everybody -- and I mean everybody -- had to
replace their roofs and siding at the minimum.  We also lost
windows.  Our claim was $22,000. Some neighbors had the
stones actually come through walls.  Later that year, an
area in the western part of Missouri also suffered from
catastrophic weather damage -- tornados I think.

        Since then, many insurance companies no longer write for
Missouri, and specifically no longer write for this zip
code.  Most of us were dropped by our companies and we're
all now paying much higher premiums.  Missouri is now trying
to pass a law saying that insurance companies can't drop you
because you have a weather-related claim.  What we're
finding out as well is that any time you call your insurance
company inquiring about a claim, they count that as a claim.

        They're sleazy bastards.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> >
>  I respect  your choice but it all makes me
> > very sad, too. Can you have hospice come to you?  Insist on an
Internet
> > connection and get a laptop.
>
> The way hospice works here is that you stay in your house. They send a
> person twice a week for personal care if you need it, and a nurse
brings
> meds as needed. They do not allow pain--meds are always available in
> amounts required and I am not to worry about it. They pay for all
drugs,
> oxygen, potty seat, wheel chair, whatever you need. There are
volunteers
> to do shopping and some food prep or just to sit with you if need be.
> Medicare Part A covers it all. Toward the end, if things cannot be
> handled at home, there are ten hospice beds available at the hospital.
> You cannot stay there for a long time, but perhaps as much as a week
or
> two, depending. Doug and Jeff will come but don't know for how long or
> how often yet. We have not had time today to work that out.
>
> alyce

Hospice is wonderful help in many, many ways.
You can really count on them.

             - D. M.

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>        Since then, many insurance companies no longer write for
>Missouri, and specifically no longer write for this zip
>code.  Most of us were dropped by our companies and we're
>all now paying much higher premiums.    --Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Wow.  We got hit by a hail storm twice while we lived in Oak
Ridge.  Neither was nearly as bad as you describe yours.   We did get the
car repainted twice and the roof redone once.   But we weren't dropped from
Allstate Insurance.


    --bonniev

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
> It's doubtful that the first doctor would deliberately lie to you,

Well, let us say that he was not playing totally straight with me. I
have. since I wrote earlier, talked to my GP and a doctor friend, both
of whom point out that there is a big difference between 2-3 months and
6-12. "Not playing totally straight" was the phrase the doctor friend
used.

alyce

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Betty Clark wrote:

> Is he over reacting?

    No, but the usual suspects who will be accusing him of racism will be.

JMW

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--On Friday, April 04, 2003 8:52 AM -0500 bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> wrote:

>
> I have the book on the shelf here but haven't gotten around to reading it
> yet.  What is the controversy about?
>
>
>     --bonniev

After "Into Thin Air" was published, Boukreev, one of the guides, worked
with DeWalt to produce "the Climb" partially as a defense to Krakauer's
treatment of him (Boukreev) in "ITA" but also to show a different insight
into the climb from an experienced climber.  Krakauer was an Outside
Magazine journalist.

Boukreev is now dead, but there is a dialog between Krakauer and DeWalt at:

<http://archive.salon.com/wlust/feature/1998/08/07featurec.html>

Terry

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> Yes - and, can we help?  We'll want you with us as long as possible.

Guess you can tell St. Peter that you need me here more than he needs me
there. If you are not a sinner (and I know you are not), he will agree.

alyce

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At 05:09 PM 4/4/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote
> >
>  I respect  your choice but it all makes me
> > very sad, too. Can you have hospice come to you?  Insist on an Internet
> > connection and get a laptop.
>
>The way hospice works here is that you stay in your house. They send a
>person twice a week for personal care if you need it, and a nurse brings
>meds as needed. They do not allow pain--meds are always available in
>amounts required and I am not to worry about it. They pay for all drugs,
>oxygen, potty seat, wheel chair, whatever you need. There are volunteers
>to do shopping and some food prep or just to sit with you if need be.
>Medicare Part A covers it all. Toward the end, if things cannot be
>handled at home, there are ten hospice beds available at the hospital.
>You cannot stay there for a long time, but perhaps as much as a week or
>two, depending. Doug and Jeff will come but don't know for how long or
>how often yet. We have not had time today to work that out.
>
>alyce

I've heard nothing but good things about Hospice. I'm glad Doug and Jeff
will be able to come and you can stay in your home.  We'll be here for you,
too.

Betty

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At 03:16 PM 4/4/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > Is he over reacting?
>
>     No, but the usual suspects who will be accusing him of racism will be.
>
>JMW

It's a very scary thing.  The poor doctor from  the WHO died. It is what
made us cancel China.

Betty

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> Whichever way you decide, may we walk along with you?
>
As long as I can get to the computer, and if y'all promise that if it
becomes disgusting, you'll tell me to buzz off.

alyce


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John Williams wrote:
>
> Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > Is he over reacting?
>
>     No, but the usual suspects who will be accusing him of racism will be.

How does racism fit into this?  I guess I need to check the news.  And,
as I asked earlier, what exactly is the role of the Pres in quarantining
people?  Like when my across-the-street neigbhor had polio in the '50s
and her children were quarantined, was there some kind of Presidential
involvement?  (I'm sure I've told the story before of how my neighbor
Webster and I, both 4th graders, really thought we were obeying the
quarantine rules when after school everyday I'd go stand on the street
beside his yard and he'd stand on the yard and I'd tell him what had
gone on at school that day.  He was not leaving his yard, and I was not
going into his yard.  So the quarantine was carefully being observed.)

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:
>
>>Whichever way you decide, may we walk along with you?
>>
>>
> As long as I can get to the computer, and if y'all promise that if it
> becomes disgusting, you'll tell me to buzz off.
>


        I am sure that you will be you, as always.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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alyce cresap wrote:

> Also, because now I have two more opinions. So, if I live more than 2-3,
> it is all to the good, but I can tell you that about 2400 pounds of fear
> and dread fell from my shoulders the moment I decided not to have chemo,
> which was apt to kill me in the long run. Even Dr. Vu admitted that it
> was chancey, remember, and that I could only try "light."

Yes.  That part is understandable.  I had the strong feeling that you
were going to decide against the chemo and that that was going to be a
wise decision.  I was just wondering about the 2-3 months vs 6-12, as in
why believe one prognosis more than another.  As you say, though,
accepting that shorter prognosis doesn't mean it has to happen that way.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> but I can tell you that about 2400 pounds of fear
> and dread fell from my shoulders the moment I decided not to have chemo,

While having any strength in your body (for you have so much in your mind)
perhaps you could enjoy the coming spring and summer warmth (and if there is
any hope, more than that).

It is April. I've usually been nomail in April, for strangely accumulating
work. But I do not remember that not because of much work, but because I've had
the thought (almost?) every year of my writing to words-l: I missed Alyce's
birthday again. So, well, partly, because of that I've stubbornly refused to go
nomail this spring -- and what sad tidings did the April bring!

But maybe I can feel something of your relief after that burden of  the fear
has gone.

Kristin

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Guess you can tell St. Peter that you need me here more than he needs me
> there. If you are not a sinner (and I know you are not), he will agree.

DEAR ST. PETER

Hands Off Alyce Cresap.  We want and need her here.  Sorry.  If you got a
problem with that, take it to your Supervisor.

Ann Borkin

p.s. I know I have admitted to being a sinner several times in this Forum,
but I was WRONG.

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This is all cnn.com says:

|President Bush issues executive order adding SARS to list of
communicable
|diseases for which a person can be quarantined. Details to come.

What exactly could anybody object to in that?  It certainly sounds like
a communicable disease that is killing some people, and quarantine seems
like a reasonable thing to do.  I gather there must be more to this
story than I'm getting.
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At 05:32 PM 4/4/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > Whichever way you decide, may we walk along with you?
> >
>As long as I can get to the computer, and if y'all promise that if it
>becomes disgusting, you'll tell me to buzz off.
>
>alyce

Can you get the computer closer to your bed?  You can get really long phone
connectors and extension cords. Who cares if wires are hanging all over the
place?  Instead of a food tray, you can use it for a computer tray and have
it rolled on over.  I know you'll feel better being able to communicate
your feelings about a lot of things right up to the end.

Betty

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > Whichever way you decide, may we walk along with you?
> >
> As long as I can get to the computer, and if y'all promise that if it
> becomes disgusting, you'll tell me to buzz off.

Alyce, you may say you are cowardly, but your sense of humour never seems
to leave you. Even if there wasn't a trace of smile on your face when
writing this, rather the other way round, this way of writing must be
inspirated by the humour you have inside you.

Kristin

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> DEAR ST. PETER
>
> Hands Off Alyce Cresap.  We want and need her here.  Sorry.  If you got a
> problem with that, take it to your Supervisor.
>
> Ann Borkin
>
> p.s. I know I have admitted to being a sinner several times in this Forum,
> but I was WRONG.

If I had and could use a digital signature, I'd sign it.

Kristin

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At 04:42 PM 4/4/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>John Williams wrote:
> >
> > Betty Clark wrote:
> >
> > > Is he over reacting?
> >
> >     No, but the usual suspects who will be accusing him of racism will be.
>
>How does racism fit into this?  I guess I need to check the news.  And,
>as I asked earlier, what exactly is the role of the Pres in quarantining
>people?

Not much of anything, except to someone who badly needs to assert his
control.  He may be able to smirk at Saddam, but he can't smirk at SARS, so
he must do <something else>.

cwv

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Betty Clark wrote:

>  Instead of a food tray, you can use it for a computer tray

My!...

Though there's point in your whole passage.

Kr.

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> Ann Borkin wrote:
> >
> > Yes - and, can we help?  We'll want you with us as long as possible.
>
> Guess you can tell St. Peter that you need me here more than he needs
me
> there. If you are not a sinner (and I know you are not), he will
agree.
>
> alyce

We have no sinners on this list.

          - D. M.

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I didn't go by RS today.  Maybe tomorrow.  Here's what's on the sick
tape:

Stranger on the Shore -- Pete F.
Sounds of Silence -- S&G
Turn, Turn, Turn -- Byrds
Tambourine Man -- Byrds
You Were on My Mind -- Lettermen
Yesterday -- Lettermen
Lara's Theme -- Ray Coniff
What Now My Love -- R. Goulet
Walk Into The Dawn -- R. Goulet
Red Rubber Ball -- Circle
Georgy Girl -- Seekers
Last Thing on My Mind -- Seekers
Come the Day -- Seekers
California Dreaming -- Seekers
Island of Dreams -- Seekers
All Over the World -- Seekers
Hang on, Sloopy -- McCoys
Eve of Destruction -- Barry McGuire
Lover's Concerto -- Toys
Come in, Stranger -- Ian & Sylvia
Early Morning Rain -- I&S
Nancy Whiskey -- I&S
Monday, Monday -- Mamas & Pappas
Go Where You Wanna Go -- M&P
In Crowd -- M&P
Summer in the City -- Lovin Spoonful
I Hear a Symphony -- Supremes
My World is Empty Without You -- Supremes
Any Girl in Love -- Supremes
A Man & a Woman -- movie soundtrack
Fakin It -- S&G
Mrs. Robinson -- S&G

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> This is all cnn.com says:
>
> |President Bush issues executive order adding SARS to list of
> communicable
> |diseases for which a person can be quarantined. Details to come.
>
> What exactly could anybody object to in that?  It certainly sounds
like
> a communicable disease that is killing some people, and quarantine
seems
> like a reasonable thing to do.  I gather there must be more to this
> story than I'm getting.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Anyone remember quarantines when you
were a kid?  Like having a big sign put on
the outside of your house saying

       QUARANTINED

because you had some disease, and
feeling like you were "unclean" or
"rejected" or something?

I don't remember now which diseases
brought the sign.

           - D. M.

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At 05:23 PM 4/4/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:

>Anyone remember quarantines when you
>were a kid?  Like having a big sign put on
>the outside of your house saying
>
>        QUARANTINED
>
>because you had some disease, and
>feeling like you were "unclean" or
>"rejected" or something?
>
>I don't remember now which diseases
>brought the sign.

Yeah---and how many were signed: "By order of the President"?  What's
next---if you get sick, the Ministry of Internal Security investigates you?

cwv

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>As long as I can get to the computer, and if y'all promise that if it
>becomes disgusting, you'll tell me to buzz off.
>alyce

We will never tell you to buzz off.   But we will try to keep words-l light
and the same as ever.  We know you wouldn't want us to stop picking on each
other and turn solemn.  But that doesn't mean that we aren't thinking about
you and the seriousness of these days in your life.


    --bonniev

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What is on the other side?

At 05:14 PM 4/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>I didn't go by RS today.  Maybe tomorrow.  Here's what's on the sick
>tape:
>
>Stranger on the Shore -- Pete F.
>Sounds of Silence -- S&G
>Turn, Turn, Turn -- Byrds
>Tambourine Man -- Byrds
>You Were on My Mind -- Lettermen
>Yesterday -- Lettermen
>Lara's Theme -- Ray Coniff
>What Now My Love -- R. Goulet
>Walk Into The Dawn -- R. Goulet
>Red Rubber Ball -- Circle
>Georgy Girl -- Seekers
>Last Thing on My Mind -- Seekers
>Come the Day -- Seekers
>California Dreaming -- Seekers
>Island of Dreams -- Seekers
>All Over the World -- Seekers
>Hang on, Sloopy -- McCoys
>Eve of Destruction -- Barry McGuire
>Lover's Concerto -- Toys
>Come in, Stranger -- Ian & Sylvia
>Early Morning Rain -- I&S
>Nancy Whiskey -- I&S
>Monday, Monday -- Mamas & Pappas
>Go Where You Wanna Go -- M&P
>In Crowd -- M&P
>Summer in the City -- Lovin Spoonful
>I Hear a Symphony -- Supremes
>My World is Empty Without You -- Supremes
>Any Girl in Love -- Supremes
>A Man & a Woman -- movie soundtrack
>Fakin It -- S&G
>Mrs. Robinson -- S&G
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> alyce cresap wrote:
>
> > Doris Markland wrote:
> > >
> > > Whichever way you decide, may we walk along with you?
> > >
> > As long as I can get to the computer, and if y'all promise that if
it
> > becomes disgusting, you'll tell me to buzz off.
>
> Alyce, you may say you are cowardly, but your sense of humour never
seems
> to leave you. Even if there wasn't a trace of smile on your face when
> writing this, rather the other way round, this way of writing must be
> inspirated by the humour you have inside you.
>
> Kristin

And I have found, in my most recent brush with someone's
serious illness, that keeping a healthy sense of humor
is the thing that saves everyone involved.  Open honesty
frees people to share an experience they all admit they know
little about, and seeing humor in that experience makes
it normal and human.  No walking on eggshells.

               - D. M.

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> At 05:23 PM 4/4/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >Anyone remember quarantines when you
> >were a kid?  Like having a big sign put on
> >the outside of your house saying
> >
> >        QUARANTINED
> >
> >because you had some disease, and
> >feeling like you were "unclean" or
> >"rejected" or something?
> >
> >I don't remember now which diseases
> >brought the sign.
>
> Yeah---and how many were signed: "By order of the President"?  What's
> next---if you get sick, the Ministry of Internal Security investigates
you?
>
> cwv

I think it was the county board of
somethingaruther.

But if a president wanted to sign it
I wouldn't get upset about it.
What's the difference?

Don't answer.

           - D. M.

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02003-04-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>
> > > Dimwit, I was addressing the Effluent Twit in Texas.
> > >
> > > BB
> >
> > Which is why you did so in reply to my message?
>
> Yes, you're both twin tits, can't tell one from the other, fungible, as it
> were.
>
> BB

Excuse me, what's "BB" mean?

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>
> Excuse me, what's "BB" mean?


B*TCH B*TCH

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> What is on the other side?

Side A ends after "All Over the World," and Side B begins with "Hang On,
Sloopy."

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02003-04-04 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> I think it was the county board of
> somethingaruther.
>
> But if a president wanted to sign it
> I wouldn't get upset about it.
> What's the difference?
>
> Don't answer.

Don't worry, I don't think anybody is upset. Only irrational kids
get upset! However, some just associate heavy-handed micromanagement
with the onset of nervousness or even a minor loss of confidence,
and these people need to work it out in their minds.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > Yeah---and how many were signed: "By order of the President"?  What's
> > next---if you get sick, the Ministry of Internal Security investigates
> you?
> >
> > cwv
>
> I think it was the county board of
> somethingaruther.
>
> But if a president wanted to sign it
> I wouldn't get upset about it.
> What's the difference?

I watched Dan Rather at 5:30 and learned from a medical correspondent
that the executive order is what gives health departments around the
country the right to declare quarantines -- that it doesn't mean they
will do so, but that there has to be a <decree> giving them permission.
The other diseases on the list were named, but I've forgotten now what
all they were -- things like smallpox.  The last addition to the list
(before today) was twenty years ago for Ebola -- but the name for it is
a larger name -- a group of Ebola-type diseases.

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At 03:54 PM 4/4/2003 -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >
> > Excuse me, what's "BB" mean?
>
>
>B*TCH B*TCH

Oh, I thought it was bigger butch or better butch.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> The other diseases on the list were named, but I've forgotten now what
> all they were --

***************
The list of quarantinable diseases is contained in an Executive
Order of the President and includes cholera, diphtheria,
infectious                   tuberculosis, plague, smallpox, yellow
fever, and viral hemorrhagic fevers,
such as Marburg, Ebola and Congo-Crimean.
***************
from: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dq/history.htm

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********************
EX. ORD. NO. 12452. REVISED LIST OF QUARANTINABLE COMMUNICABLE
                                  DISEASES
      Ex. Ord. No. 12452, Dec. 22, 1983, 48 F.R. 56927, provided:
      By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution
    and laws of the United States of America, including Section 264(b)
    of Title 42 of the United States Code, it is hereby ordered as
    follows:
      Section 1. Based upon the recommendation of the National Advisory
    Health Council and the Assistant Secretary for Health of the
    Department of Health and Human Services, and for the purposes of
    specifying certain communicable diseases for regulations providing
    for the apprehension, detention, or conditional release of
    individuals to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of
    communicable diseases, the following named communicable diseases
    are hereby specified pursuant to Section 264(b) of Title 42 of the
    United States Code: Cholera or suspected Cholera, Diphtheria,
    infectious Tuberculosis, Plague, suspected Smallpox, Yellow Fever,
    and suspected Viral Hemorrhagic Fevers (Lassa, Marburg, Ebola,
    Congo-Crimean, and others not yet isolated or named).
      Sec. 2. Executive Order No. 9708 of March 26, 1946, Executive
    Order No. 10532 of May 28, 1954, and Executive Order No. 11070 of
    December 12, 1962, are hereby revoked.                Ronald Reagan.
*******************
from: http://www.fda.gov/opacom/laws/phsvcact/sec264.htm

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At 06:12 PM 4/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>02003-04-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > Excuse me, what's "BB" mean?
> >
> > B*TCH B*TCH
>
>Is this an invitation for a b*tch-off?

She wins hands down. She is my favorite bitch.

BB

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>
> > > Yeah---and how many were signed: "By order of the President"?
What's
> > > next---if you get sick, the Ministry of Internal Security
investigates
> > you?
> > >
> > > cwv
> >
> > I think it was the county board of
> > somethingaruther.
> >
> > But if a president wanted to sign it
> > I wouldn't get upset about it.
> > What's the difference?
>
> I watched Dan Rather at 5:30 and learned from a medical correspondent
> that the executive order is what gives health departments around the
> country the right to declare quarantines -- that it doesn't mean they
> will do so, but that there has to be a <decree> giving them
permission.
> The other diseases on the list were named, but I've forgotten now what
> all they were -- things like smallpox.  The last addition to the list
> (before today) was twenty years ago for Ebola -- but the name for it
is
> a larger name -- a group of Ebola-type diseases.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I think it was smallpox I remember the
quarantine signs for.  Very serious.
Maybe measles.  But I don't think we
had them for chicken pox or mumps.
But maybe we did.  I don't know.
I'm operating basically with one eye.
Just tried to play a game of Bookworm
and wasted 15 minutes trying to find the
bonus word SAVV, when I discovered
it was SAW.

                   - D. M.

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Evelyn wrote:

>There were times that the tape would drag in the old cassette; pop it
>into the new cassette, and it was good as new.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I didn't go by RS today.  Maybe tomorrow.

I wonder whether there's a possibility to get tools or some kit for
replacing the cassette here, too. I guess I've never heard before that a
dragging tape might play well after that. I have several tapes with
Brahms I used to listen to in a winter in a bus when I lived in Elva and
often had an hour before I got home. At last they all dragged. Perhaps I
did not throw them away.

Kristin

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At 06:20 PM 4/4/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-04 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 03:54 PM 4/4/2003 -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > >On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Excuse me, what's "BB" mean?
> > >
> > >
> > >B*TCH B*TCH
> >
> > Oh, I thought it was bigger butch or better butch.
>
>What a pathetic disguise for "I hate myself for not patenting
>the initials"!

You're right but I didn't think anyone HEAR would steal from me,

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> There's some kind of faint smell in the air which is reminding me
> VERY vividly of my first day in Chicago (which also means the US).
> What the hell is it? I can't even decide whether it is a bread
> kind of smell, green beans kind of smell or just a wet rickety
> wooden staircase kind of smell, or something else. Has anything
> like this happened to anyone?

Yes.  The smell of oiled wooden floors, newly-
sharpened pencils, orange rinds and peanut butter.
Where am I?  You guess.

               - D. M.

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> Has any other wordsler bought a new car in the last three years?  If so,
> please tell.

I bought my Taurus in October 2001. The SE model cost me about $21,000.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Betty Clark wrote:

>Are you a very brave woman and I respect  your choice but it all makes me
>very sad, too. Can you have hospice come to you?  Insist on an Internet
>connection and get a laptop.

Yes! Stay with us, please, alyce.

Bethany

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>We have no sinners on this list.

Not! Boy, would THAT be boring!

Bethany

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02003-04-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Excuse me, what's "BB" mean?
>
> B*TCH B*TCH

Is this an invitation for a b*tch-off?

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02003-04-04 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 03:54 PM 4/4/2003 -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Excuse me, what's "BB" mean?
> >
> >
> >B*TCH B*TCH
>
> Oh, I thought it was bigger butch or better butch.

What a pathetic disguise for "I hate myself for not patenting
the initials"!

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02003-04-04 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 06:12 PM 4/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >02003-04-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> >> On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>
> >> > Excuse me, what's "BB" mean?
> >>
> >> B*TCH B*TCH
> >
> >Is this an invitation for a b*tch-off?
>
> She wins hands down. She is my favorite bitch.

Except for one question:

WHO AXED YOU?

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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There's some kind of faint smell in the air which is reminding me
VERY vividly of my first day in Chicago (which also means the US).
What the hell is it? I can't even decide whether it is a bread
kind of smell, green beans kind of smell or just a wet rickety
wooden staircase kind of smell, or something else. Has anything
like this happened to anyone?

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At 06:44 PM 4/4/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>There's some kind of faint smell in the air which is reminding me
>VERY vividly of my first day in Chicago (which also means the US).
>What the hell is it? I can't even decide whether it is a bread
>kind of smell, green beans kind of smell or just a wet rickety
>wooden staircase kind of smell, or something else. Has anything
>like this happened to anyone?

No. Did you change underwear lately?

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> There's some kind of faint smell in the air which is reminding me
> VERY vividly of my first day in Chicago (which also means the US).
> What the hell is it? I can't even decide whether it is a bread
> kind of smell, green beans kind of smell or just a wet rickety
> wooden staircase kind of smell, or something else. Has anything
> like this happened to anyone?

I've whiffed a skunk smell off and on for the past several days on
campus.  I keep wondering why it comes and goes.  But now that I've come
to check my mail, I look at the clock and see that the time to go has
come if I'm going to get organized and get to the party where the
reading starts at 7:30.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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--On Friday, April 04, 2003 6:57 PM -0600 Doris Markland
<dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> wrote:

> Yes.  The smell of oiled wooden floors, newly-
> sharpened pencils, orange rinds and peanut butter.
> Where am I?  You guess.
>
>                - D. M.

Smells like school to me.

Terry

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> There's some kind of faint smell in the air

What? What smell? Before that message of yours there was no strange
smells here.

Kr.

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02003-04-04 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > There's some kind of faint smell in the air which is reminding me
> > VERY vividly of my first day in Chicago (which also means the US).
> > What the hell is it? I can't even decide whether it is a bread
> > kind of smell, green beans kind of smell or just a wet rickety
> > wooden staircase kind of smell, or something else. Has anything
> > like this happened to anyone?
>
> Yes.  The smell of oiled wooden floors, newly-
> sharpened pencils, orange rinds and peanut butter.
> Where am I?  You guess.

The Opera?

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02003-04-04 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 06:44 PM 4/4/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >There's some kind of faint smell in the air which is reminding me
> >VERY vividly of my first day in Chicago (which also means the US).
> >What the hell is it? I can't even decide whether it is a bread
> >kind of smell, green beans kind of smell or just a wet rickety
> >wooden staircase kind of smell, or something else. Has anything
> >like this happened to anyone?
>
> No. Did you change underwear lately?

I'm not ... I mean "this thread is closed".

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02003-04-04 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 06:20 PM 4/4/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-04-04 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> At 03:54 PM 4/4/2003 -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >> >On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Excuse me, what's "BB" mean?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >B*TCH B*TCH
> >>
> >> Oh, I thought it was bigger butch or better butch.
> >
> >What a pathetic disguise for "I hate myself for not patenting
> >the initials"!
>
> You're right but I didn't think anyone HEAR would steal from me,

It's "steel", B*tch B*tty.

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I thought you'd want to know:

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Rumours of my death have been greatly exaggerated.
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Bethany

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At 06:44 PM 4/4/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>There's some kind of faint smell in the air which is reminding me
>VERY vividly of my first day in Chicago (which also means the US).
>What the hell is it? I can't even decide whether it is a bread
>kind of smell, green beans kind of smell or just a wet rickety
>wooden staircase kind of smell, or something else. Has anything
>like this happened to anyone?

When I was young and living on the south side, we would have ascribed any
such odor to the stockyards, which I presume are long since gone.  Perhaps
you have journeyed back in time...

cwv

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 2:05:12 PM, bonniev wrote:
>> > Yeah, Karen.   How well do you really know paul?   How often have you met,
>> > ftf?  He was the life of the party at SnowBash.
>>
>>Well, of course! We are always the life of the party wherever we
>>go, because that's what ET's ARE, for heavens sake. But we have
>>our serious side, too.      --ET #3

> Answer the questions, K@R3N .

How well do I really know Paul? Very well.

We have already talked about the fact that we both like being the
center of attention.

ET #3

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 2:08:20 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> yOn Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> ET #3


> 'ET' stands for execrable twit.

NOT! It stands for Especially True to you, dear.:)

ET #3

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 2:03:54 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> Are you a very brave woman and I respect  your choice but it all makes me
> very sad, too. Can you have hospice come to you?

It's often a more satisfying experience to go to hospice, rather
than have them come to you. They are really set up to handle
things that become Huge Issues when you stay at home. (Like
bathing.) Comparing our experience with my Mom to my cousin's
experience with my aunt, I think my Mom had the much better deal.

> Insist on an Internet
> connection and get a laptop.

The one my Mom was in had a direct phone line.

ET #3

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> > Answer the questions, K@R3N .
>
>How well do I really know Paul? Very well.
>ET #3

How often have you met ftf?


    --bonniev

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 2:28:51 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

>>
>> Can't it save as a .jpg. Most scanner software supports other formats.
>>
>>
>> alec

> I can change tif to jpg with my
> Adobe Photo Deluxe.

Sure. IF THE PROGRAM WILL READ THE TIF. But nothing sems to be
able to read the tif.

ET #3

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In a message dated 04/04/2003 5:14:33 PM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
What Now My Love -- R. Goulet
Walk Into The Dawn -- R. Goulet

>>

Not "If Ever I Would Leave You"?  I love that song and his
performance of it.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 8:53:02 PM, bonniev wrote:
> How often have you met ftf?

Never. So?

ET #3

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>
> > Yes.  The smell of oiled wooden floors, newly-
> > sharpened pencils, orange rinds and peanut butter.
> > Where am I?  You guess.
> >
> >                - D. M.
>
> Smells like school to me.
>
> Terry

Yup.

  - D. M.

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> Is this an invitation for a b*tch-off?

I will list my BUTCH credentials here (my BITCH credentials are already
proven and undeniable):

1.  SPORTS  My position in field hockey was goalie.  My position in
baseball was pitcher.  I bat left handed.

2.  LIQUOR  I never appear to be drunk, although I drink MORE THAN YOU-U
stupid boy.  AND I never talk about it, except in a BUTCH-OFF.

3.  DEMEANOR  I stand with my feet apart, ready to attack.

4.  READING  My latest read novel is THE CRYING OF LOT 49!  Ha Ha!  This
is actually true!

5.  MISCELLANEOUS  I am often referred to on this Service by only my last
name. (Not true of you! ha ha)

Paul is afraid of me.  (Not true of you! ha ha)

I am an AMERICAN CITIZEN!  (Not true of you! ha ha)

Ann

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 2:46:47 PM, bonniev wrote:
> True.  After all, what was this whole premise based on?   These three
> people have wicked senses of humor and were all quite cute as
> children.   That could very likely be said of most wordslers.  I know I was
> an extremely charming and winsome child.

Cute?! I think I was an ugly child.

I don't think I have a wicked sense of humor, either. But I do
think that keeping a sense of humor in the face of adversity is
something that ET's do.

ET #3

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> kind of smell, green beans kind of smell or just a wet rickety
> wooden staircase kind of smell, or something else. Has anything
> like this happened to anyone?

Once I was on a sailboat motoring through some kind of canal in Florida.
I smelled VENICE.

It had been years since I had been in Venice, and when in Venice (unlike
other people) I was never really aware of a smell.

I can't call smells to memory, as I can images - can anybody?

Ann

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My intentional lackadaisicality toward the news is making me miss some
good things.  I wouldn't have known if somebody hadn't mentioned it
tonight the great Letter to the Editor in today's Clarion-Ledger written
by a former student of mine:

http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0304/04/l04.html

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 09:07 PM 04/04/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Friday, April 4, 2003, 8:53:02 PM, bonniev wrote:
>> How often have you met ftf?
>
>Never. So?
>
>ET #3

Has clo arrived yet? Has she seen your dead fish and your cat?

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Not "If Ever I Would Leave You"?  I love that song and his
> performance of it.

No, everything on that tape has a specific association with my three
years in Florida.  The tape wasn't intended to be just "songs I liked."
Each one brings back a particular moment or scene or emotion.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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At 05:37 PM 10/09/2001 -0700, Victoria Lawson wrote:
>Pete wrote:
>
>>
>> One more: in what state do you register your rig?  (There are a bunch of
>> good technical questions, too: phone service?  Internet
>> access?  Cable/satellite TV?  Diesel vs. gasoline?)
>>
>
>We are buying it from my father-in-law, so it is still registered in
>Illinois, where he has another permanent address (and it is was less
>expensive than California).  We only stay in parks right now where there are
>phone hook-ups at each site.  Regular phone service through the local telco,
>and we even have DSL here (which I really find amazing, since we are out in
>the middle of the desert).

Have you experimented with wireless yet?

Betty

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At 11:32 AM 08/05/2001 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>clyde w. voigtlander writes,
>
>>The above is the one we use (and I believe that Alyce does, as
>>well);  Sylvia uses a comparable Yahoo site (I don't have the URL however)
>>and I'm not sure which site Amy uses.
>
>As a separate but related issue, I recommend <http://www.dotphoto.com/> for
>prints from digital cameras, if you want to order any significant number of
>them.  They have incredible pricing compared to the alternatives, and good
>quality and service.

Are you still using this, Pete?  Bonnie,  did you order your digital camera?

Betty

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At 09:40 AM 08/09/2000 +0200, Elaine Brennan wrote:
>Anne H Toal wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have any opinions on the relative merits of airfare-finding
>> or fare-watching services? I've tried the one on Travelocity but I'm not
>> overthrilled with it. Any others people know about?
>>
>my general experience is that nobody's best all the
>time -- so I often check travelocity.com, expedia.com,
>biztravel.com, trip.com (which lets you do a search on
>multiple airline web sites simultaneously), and various
>last-minute-fare kinds of sites if I'm looking for a
>weekend fare. (I also get the email with the weekly
>deals from United and a couple of others).
>smarterliving.com tends to show a fairly large number
>of the various weekend last-minute fares from most of
>the majors.

I''ve never tried biztravel.  Anyone else?

Betty

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>
>    <http://tushar.samant.com/virup/>
>

What happened to this?

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On 6 Dec 1996, Michael E. Macmillian wrote:

> On  6 Dec 96 at 13:49, Anne Harwell Toal wrote:

> > Done. Got to go to a meeting. Back in an hour. PLease continue
> > posting. Esp. you, MEM ;-)

> Well, you asked for it.

Indeed.  And where is abht these days?

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B Clark wrote:
> >
> >    <http://tushar.samant.com/virup/>
> >
>
> What happened to this?

Try here:

ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/List-Stuff/virupaksha

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 9:31:23 PM, B Clark wrote:
> Has clo arrived yet?

Yep. She arrived about the time I thought she would.

> Has she seen your dead fish and your cat?

Nope. She came, I went out to say hello, and then we went to knit
and spin, then we went to Hill Country Weavers and lusted, and
then we went to dinner. And then she drove back to San Antonio.

But she's coming back Sunday, and we're going to spend Sunday
afternoon together. I'll probably offer to make dinner Sunday
night, in which case, she'll meet the cat.

The dead fish are long gone.

ET #3

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 9:21:23 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> 1.  SPORTS  My position in field hockey was goalie.  My position in
> baseball was pitcher.  I bat left handed.

My *cat* is a goalie. She bats with either hand.

ET #3

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02003-04-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > Is this an invitation for a b*tch-off?
>
> I will list my BUTCH credentials here (my BITCH credentials are already
> proven and undeniable):
>
> 1.  SPORTS  My position in field hockey was goalie.  My position in
> baseball was pitcher.  I bat left handed.
>
> 2.  LIQUOR  I never appear to be drunk, although I drink MORE THAN YOU-U
> stupid boy.  AND I never talk about it, except in a BUTCH-OFF.
>
> 3.  DEMEANOR  I stand with my feet apart, ready to attack.
>
> 4.  READING  My latest read novel is THE CRYING OF LOT 49!  Ha Ha!  This
> is actually true!
>
> 5.  MISCELLANEOUS  I am often referred to on this Service by only my last
> name. (Not true of you! ha ha)
>
> Paul is afraid of me.  (Not true of you! ha ha)
>
> I am an AMERICAN CITIZEN!  (Not true of you! ha ha)

Lies ... bald-faced lies

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 5:50:08 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>>
>> > > Dimwit, I was addressing the Effluent Twit in Texas.
>> > >
>> > > BB
>> >
>> > Which is why you did so in reply to my message?
>>
>> Yes, you're both twin tits, can't tell one from the other, fungible, as it
>> were.
>>
>> BB

> Excuse me, what's "BB" mean?

Wtf is a fungible tit?!

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Betty writes,

>Are you still using this, Pete?

Yep, although not with a lot of regularity.

Still happy with them.  I haven't done price comparison-shopping recently,
though.

Pete

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02003-04-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > kind of smell, green beans kind of smell or just a wet rickety
> > wooden staircase kind of smell, or something else. Has anything
> > like this happened to anyone?
>
> Once I was on a sailboat motoring through some kind of canal in Florida.
> I smelled VENICE.
>
> It had been years since I had been in Venice, and when in Venice (unlike
> other people) I was never really aware of a smell.
>
> I can't call smells to memory, as I can images - can anybody?

Way to post R*CH, B*TCH ...

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Does anyone have the recipe for this?

Karen

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02003-04-04 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> B Clark wrote:
> > >
> > >    <http://tushar.samant.com/virup/>
> > >
> >
> > What happened to this?
>
> Try here:
>
> ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/List-Stuff/virupaksha

This was something different ... I don't know where on earth
it went, maybe it's lost. I'll try to find it.

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 4:24:03 PM, Terry WIld wrote:
> After "Into Thin Air" was published, Boukreev, one of the guides, worked
> with DeWalt to produce "the Climb" partially as a defense to Krakauer's
> treatment of him (Boukreev) in "ITA" but also to show a different insight
> into the climb from an experienced climber.  Krakauer was an Outside
> Magazine journalist.

He was an experienced climber, just not experienced at Everest.

> Boukreev is now dead, but there is a dialog between Krakauer and DeWalt at:

> <http://archive.salon.com/wlust/feature/1998/08/07featurec.html>

Cool. I will chase this later.

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 3:04:34 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>> I know I'm scared of you

> Goody, now for that other little package of fructose:  GIVE ME YOUR LUNCH
> MONEY, ET WHATEVER YOUR NUMBER IS!

> OH, I forgot.

> GIMME YER DOWELS 'N' SHIT!

Not the dowels!

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Karen Kay wrote:

> night, in which case, she'll meet the cat.
>
> The dead fish are long gone.

Did you feed them to the cat?

--
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Friday, April 4, 2003, 9:57:42 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> night, in which case, she'll meet the cat.
>>
>> The dead fish are long gone.

> Did you feed them to the cat?

When you don't know how an animal has died, you don't feed it to
another animal! Sheesh.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Does anyone have the recipe for this?

I have it somewhere.  I've in fact served it to guests on a couple of
occasions, though it's been a good many years.  Will search for it.  (I
feel sure that AdamLH also has it.)

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 9:59:06 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I have it somewhere.  I've in fact served it to guests on a couple of
> occasions, though it's been a good many years.  Will search for it.  (I
> feel sure that AdamLH also has it.)

Is it in the cookbook? I think I have the cookbook somewhere.

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>From love,judith in August '91:

***********************
Scampi with Pasta** This is what the family calls The Dish

1 pound of shrimp, shells removed. Remove "veins" if they
bother you. Alternative, or as part of pound: crab or lobster
meat; small pieces of swordfish, salmon, fresh tuna, or any
other firm fish; clams; mussels; scallops;
squid; whatever. I never tried it with chicken,
but how bad could it be?

2 cups of uncooked spiral pasta (rotini, it's sometimes called).

3 Tb butter; 3 Tb oil (olive oil is nice); 3/4 tsp salt; 1/2 tsp
oregano; 1/8 tsp basil; about 1 Tb minced garlic (I use the stuff
in jars since someone gave me a 2 pound jar!).

A large handful of chopped parsley (1/2 cup?); quite a lot of
freshly ground pepper.

Quite a lot of grated Italian cheese (Romano and/or Parmesan).

Cook pasta (takes about 12-15 minutes). Meanwhile, combine butter,
oil, seasonings, in large frypan (or wok), and heat to sizzling
but not burning. Add seafood and stir until cooked. Lower flame;
add parsley and grind in a bunch of pepper (I put in rather more
than seems reasonable. I have no other way to measure, since I
just grind it in. The stuff starts to look a little grey).

Turn off the fire until the pasta is done. Drain pasta and add to
frypan (or pour sauce into drained pasta, if it's easier that way).
Toss. Add cheese. Toss some more. Eat with champagne. (There are
some nice, inexpensive "Champagne Process" wines from Spain around
these days. I got some for about $6 that is very pleasing.
***************************
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Did you feed them to the cat?
>
> When you don't know how an animal has died, you don't feed it to
> another animal! Sheesh.

Is your cat dumb?  Animals know what's edible.  If the fish weren't,
then Cat would decline them.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Is it in the cookbook? I think I have the cookbook somewhere.

Indeed it is.  I didn't think about that.

http://www.gtoal.com/words-l/recipes/primate.html

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 10:05:59 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > Did you feed them to the cat?
>>
>> When you don't know how an animal has died, you don't feed it to
>> another animal! Sheesh.

> Is your cat dumb?  Animals know what's edible.  If the fish weren't,
> then cat would decline them.

In which case, I would still have to clean them up. I think it
was smarter just to bin them. YMMV.

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 10:07:22 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Is it in the cookbook? I think I have the cookbook somewhere.

> Indeed it is.  I didn't think about that.

> http://www.gtoal.com/words-l/recipes/primate.html

Thanks for both versions.

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I think I mentioned that my housemate claims my cat is younger
than the previous owners did. I think he's right. We are
beginning to discover <play>.

The other night, I cut a piece of twisty twine and she became
totally fixated on it. She uses it like kitty dental floss, I
think. When I got tired of that, I pulled out a tennis ball, and
she proved her goalie creds. Eat your heart out, Bad Nurse
Borkin!

So far, I still throw her out at night, but Paul reminded me of
the story of the camel in the tent, and I'm afraid that's where
we're headed.

Karen

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At 09:54 PM 04/04/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-04 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
>> B Clark wrote:
>> > >
>> > >    <http://tushar.samant.com/virup/>
>> > >
>> >
>> > What happened to this?
>>
>> Try here:
>>
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>
>This was something different ... I don't know where on earth
>it went, maybe it's lost. I'll try to find it.

Thanks, Samant.

Betty

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At 09:57 PM 04/04/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> night, in which case, she'll meet the cat.
>>
>> The dead fish are long gone.
>
>Did you feed them to the cat?

Burial at sea?

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At 10:05 PM 04/04/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> > Did you feed them to the cat?
>>
>> When you don't know how an animal has died, you don't feed it to
>> another animal! Sheesh.
>
>Is your cat dumb?  Animals know what's edible.  If the fish weren't,
>then Cat would decline them.
>
I  ate bad sushi once.

Dumb

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 10:25:36 PM, B Clark wrote:
> I  ate bad sushi once.

> Dumb

I ate bad oysters once.

ET #3

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> I ate bad oysters once.

I ate bad mussels maybe 5, maybe 6 times.

Ann

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 10:30:43 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> I ate bad oysters once.

> I ate bad mussels maybe 5, maybe 6 times.

all mussels are bad



ET #3

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 3:55:50 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

> Who has good eyes for detail?

> Is that Sadaam or isn't it?

>                    - D. M.

Paul has a picture he needs to send you...

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 8:02:13 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> ...that my ears will be burning today.

Did they?

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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:42:51 -0600
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Friday, April 4, 2003, 2:29:58 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> I've never been able to think of Alyce as a stupid ET from the beginning of
> this silliness.

Alyce has always been, and always will be, our twin. Whether you
understand it or not.

ET #3

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Friday, April 4, 2003, 2:46:31 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-04-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>> On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>> > Friday, April 4, 2003, 8:02:13 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>> > > ...that my ears will be burning today.
>> >
>> > But you looooooove being the center of attention, don't you,
>> > sweetie?:)
>> >
>> > ET #3
>>
>> Holy Shit, I bet you really talk like this.  ICK to the three of yez!

> If K-R-N talked like this to me, I have repressed the memory.

I'm sad that you don't remember our <embrace>, my Sikh.

ET #3

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In a message dated 4/4/2003 1:02:38 PM, bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:

<< You are a brave lady, alyce.   You will go out with grace and style.   We
love you.


    --bonniev
 >>

Definitely. But I understand what you are talking about. None of these *young
chicks* could understand that YET :-} Best wishes from Theo

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In a message dated 4/4/2003 1:46:50 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<< If K-R-N talked like this to me, I have repressed the memory. >>

Fortunately, my memory is very short term. So I'm in no danger if retaining
anything that she has written!
Theo

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02003-04-04 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Friday, April 4, 2003, 2:46:31 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-04-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> >> On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >> > Friday, April 4, 2003, 8:02:13 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> >> > > ...that my ears will be burning today.
> >> >
> >> > But you looooooove being the center of attention, don't you,
> >> > sweetie?:)
> >> >
> >> > ET #3
> >>
> >> Holy Shit, I bet you really talk like this.  ICK to the three of yez!
>
> > If K-R-N talked like this to me, I have repressed the memory.
>
> I'm sad that you don't remember our <embrace>, my Sikh.

Thanks for bringing it back.

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02003-04-04 | B Clark <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 09:54 PM 04/04/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-04-04 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> >> B Clark wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >    <http://tushar.samant.com/virup/>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > What happened to this?
> >>
> >> Try here:
> >>
> >> ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/List-Stuff/virupaksha
> >
> >This was something different ... I don't know where on earth
> >it went, maybe it's lost. I'll try to find it.
>
> Thanks, Samant.

Clark, it is my pleasure. What do you want that nonsense for
anyway?

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I've subscribed to this discussion group because I wanted to find a way to
practice my English and...Someone...suggested me you all could help me and
we could have some fun together.

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> I've subscribed to this discussion group because I wanted to find a
way to
> practice my English and...Someone...suggested me you all could help me
and
> we could have some fun together.

Bon giorno, Max.

It's middle of the night where I am but I happened
to wake up and I saw your message.  Now I must
go back to bed.  There will be others posting here
in one or two hours.

How did you find us?

              - D. M.

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>Bonnie,  did you order your digital camera?
>Betty

No.   I doubt I will.  I remain philosophically opposed to photography.  I
do see the benefit of sharing pictures over the internet.  But somehow it
seems to me that if friends and acquaintances want to see pictures of my
life, home, island, travels, then they should buy me a camera.  It's in
their interest, not mine.


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> > Is your cat dumb?  Animals know what's edible.  If the fish weren't,
> > then cat would decline them.
>
>In which case, I would still have to clean them up. I think it
>was smarter just to bin them. YMMV.
>ET #3

Clean them up??   Cats don't expect Mother Nature to "clean up" their food
before presenting it.  Has your cat never eaten wild animals?   I'll bet
she has, back when the other family only fed her intermittently.


    --bonniev

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B Clark wrote:

> >Is your cat dumb?  Animals know what's edible.  If the fish weren't,
> >then Cat would decline them.
> >
> I  ate bad sushi once.
>
> Dumb

My writing was sloppy.  I didn't mean to include human animals.  I bet
Cat wouldn't eat bad sushi.  Dogs certainly check out new foods
carefully before ingesting.

What happened when you ate the bad sushi?  I'm suddenly thinking again
of the Parasite Museum in Tokyo.

Speaking of humans, when did the old proscription of using human as a
noun die?  I was talking about that in Sociolinguistics yesterday, when
we were talking about a statement made by the textbook author about
"humans."  None of my students, and this class includes some who are not
only quite bright but also quite knowledgeable, had ever even heard the
suggestion that one was <supposed to> say "human being" instead of
"human."

And speaking of language change, I think I've mentioned before that I
have become interested in how often one hears and reads "there's" with a
plural subject.  It seems to be turning into a sort of fixed form, not
dependent on the number of the subject.  I'm also noticing further
breakdown of the personal pronoun declensions, though it still seems to
be limited to compounds.  In addition to the oft-heard nominatives in
compound objects, I've been hearing "me and So'nSo" as subject from lots
of college students.  I'd always thought of that as small-child speak.

How can anybody not find language fascinating?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I ate bad oysters once.

Did you get hepatitis?

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"Max F." wrote:
>
> I've subscribed to this discussion group because I wanted to find a way to
> practice my English and...Someone...suggested me you all could help me and
> we could have some fun together.

That is indeed true.  Welcome.  Do you know Tushar Samant?

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Tushar Samant:
= There's some kind of faint smell in the air which is reminding me
= VERY vividly of my first day in Chicago (which also means the US).
= What the hell is it? I can't even decide whether it is a bread
= kind of smell, green beans kind of smell or just a wet rickety
= wooden staircase kind of smell, or something else. Has anything
= like this happened to anyone?

My first day in the Netherlands is marked by the smell of frozen
peat.  It's a polder smell, so I don't get it here in the city.
But it's funny that you can smell it out at the airport, through
all the airport and freeway smells.  I'd recognize it anywhere.
But it would seem very out of place on a warm sunny day with a
light breeze.

In this neighborhood we get the smell of what someone has told me
is cooking soybeans.  It's a heavy vegetable smell, for sure.

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At 06:38 AM 4/5/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>B Clark wrote:
>
> > >Is your cat dumb?  Animals know what's edible.  If the fish weren't,
> > >then Cat would decline them.
> > >
> > I  ate bad sushi once.
> >
> > Dumb
>
>My writing was sloppy.  I didn't mean to include human animals.  I bet
>Cat wouldn't eat bad sushi.  Dogs certainly check out new foods
>carefully before ingesting.
>
>What happened when you ate the bad sushi?  I'm suddenly thinking again
>of the Parasite Museum in Tokyo.

I got sick. You don't want me to describe it.

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At 06:42 AM 4/5/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>"Max F." wrote:
> >
> > I've subscribed to this discussion group because I wanted to find a way to
> > practice my English and...Someone...suggested me you all could help me and
> > we could have some fun together.
>
>That is indeed true.  Welcome.  Do you know Tushar Samant?

I'm thinking Lucia!  Welcome Max.

Betty

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At 04:00 PM 4/5/2003 +0200, whimsy wrote:
>Tushar Samant:
>= There's some kind of faint smell in the air which is reminding me
>= VERY vividly of my first day in Chicago (which also means the US).
>= What the hell is it? I can't even decide whether it is a bread
>= kind of smell, green beans kind of smell or just a wet rickety
>= wooden staircase kind of smell, or something else. Has anything
>= like this happened to anyone?
>
>My first day in the Netherlands is marked by the smell of frozen
>peat.  It's a polder smell, so I don't get it here in the city.
>But it's funny that you can smell it out at the airport, through
>all the airport and freeway smells.  I'd recognize it anywhere.
>But it would seem very out of place on a warm sunny day with a
>light breeze.
>
>In this neighborhood we get the smell of what someone has told me
>is cooking soybeans.  It's a heavy vegetable smell, for sure.

Not unpleasant?

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http://www.poems.com

Today's poem is, like, totally a WLM.
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Saturday, April 5, 2003, 6:11:03 AM, bonniev wrote:
>> > Is your cat dumb?  Animals know what's edible.  If the fish weren't,
>> > then cat would decline them.
>>
>>In which case, I would still have to clean them up. I think it
>>was smarter just to bin them. YMMV.
>>ET #3

> Clean them up??   Cats don't expect Mother Nature to "clean up" their food
> before presenting it.  Has your cat never eaten wild animals?   I'll bet
> she has, back when the other family only fed her intermittently.

If the cat *didn't* eat them (which I think is likely), I'd've
had to clean them up.

ET #3

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Saturday, April 5, 2003, 6:39:28 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> I ate bad oysters once.

> Did you get hepatitis?

I don't know, but I was sick for over a week.

ET #3

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Betty wrote:

> I got sick. You don't want me to describe it.

Awww.  Karen would.

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Saturday, April 5, 2003, 8:30:48 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Betty wrote:

>> I got sick. You don't want me to describe it.

> Awww.  Karen would.

Natalie, please shut the fuck up.

ET #3

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I used orbitz.com for the last couple of flights. I like it verymuch -
easy to find what I want, easy to purchase the ticket.
clo
On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, B Clark wrote:

> At 09:40 AM 08/09/2000 +0200, Elaine Brennan wrote:
> >Anne H Toal wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone have any opinions on the relative merits of airfare-finding
> >> or fare-watching services? I've tried the one on Travelocity but I'm not
> >> overthrilled with it. Any others people know about?
> >>
> >my general experience is that nobody's best all the
> >time -- so I often check travelocity.com, expedia.com,
> >biztravel.com, trip.com (which lets you do a search on
> >multiple airline web sites simultaneously), and various
> >last-minute-fare kinds of sites if I'm looking for a
> >weekend fare. (I also get the email with the weekly
> >deals from United and a couple of others).
> >smarterliving.com tends to show a fairly large number
> >of the various weekend last-minute fares from most of
> >the majors.
>
> I''ve never tried biztravel.  Anyone else?
>
> Betty
>

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How you doing, clo?  Still in Texas?

Before you purchased on orbitz, did you compare with any others?

Betty

At 09:40 AM 4/5/2003 -0500, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>I used orbitz.com for the last couple of flights. I like it verymuch -
>easy to find what I want, easy to purchase the ticket.
>clo
>On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, B Clark wrote:
>
> > At 09:40 AM 08/09/2000 +0200, Elaine Brennan wrote:
> > >Anne H Toal wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Does anyone have any opinions on the relative merits of airfare-finding
> > >> or fare-watching services? I've tried the one on Travelocity but I'm not
> > >> overthrilled with it. Any others people know about?
> > >>
> > >my general experience is that nobody's best all the
> > >time -- so I often check travelocity.com, expedia.com,
> > >biztravel.com, trip.com (which lets you do a search on
> > >multiple airline web sites simultaneously), and various
> > >last-minute-fare kinds of sites if I'm looking for a
> > >weekend fare. (I also get the email with the weekly
> > >deals from United and a couple of others).
> > >smarterliving.com tends to show a fairly large number
> > >of the various weekend last-minute fares from most of
> > >the majors.
> >
> > I''ve never tried biztravel.  Anyone else?
> >
> > Betty
> >

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, no straight, chaser wrote:

> BrP:
> >Signs have been appearing around Syracuse reading
>
> Are Syracusians particularly known for
> drunken basketball yahoo-ery?  I'm just
> trying to get a feel for this weekend's
> neighborhood invasion.

Yes, they are. Especially when they lose.
clo

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> I got sick. You don't want me to describe it.
>
> > Awww.  Karen would.
>
> Natalie, please shut the fuck up.

Am I correct in feeling paranoid?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > But there's not much to tell.
> > Was back home, dozing in my recliner
> > a little after 8:00 a.m.
> > This pm was seen by the doctor in his
> > office.  Took the patch off

Congrats, Doris.
clo

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At 09:45 AM 4/5/2003 -0500, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, no straight, chaser wrote:
>
> > BrP:
> > >Signs have been appearing around Syracuse reading
> >
> > Are Syracusians particularly known for
> > drunken basketball yahoo-ery?  I'm just
> > trying to get a feel for this weekend's
> > neighborhood invasion.
>
>Yes, they are. Especially when they lose.
>clo

Seems to be an excuse to act out for sure. Happens more and more with
sporting events. It happens when they win! Hit the streets and set things
on fire.

Betty

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At 08:58 AM 4/5/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > >> I got sick. You don't want me to describe it.
> >
> > > Awww.  Karen would.
> >
> > Natalie, please shut the fuck up.
>
>Am I correct in feeling paranoid?

What are you paranoid about?  Even if you think people aren't out to get
you it doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you.

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>What are you paranoid about?  Even if you think people aren't out to get
>you it doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you.

Yup.  Even paranoid people have real enemies.


    --bonniev

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I can't decide whether to go to the International Fiesta.  I had been
thinking about going, but the weather is rainy, though not raining at
the moment, which (that it's not raining at the moment) means I guess
it's going to happen in its usual place (the drill field) instead of in
its backup place (the horse pavilion).  I think I'm about to miss the
flag parade, which is always impressive.  It's at 10.  But the food
booths might be worth exploring for lunch.  The grass will be wet and
nasty, though.

My life is tough.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >What are you paranoid about?  Even if you think people aren't out to get
> >you it doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you.
>
> Yup.  Even paranoid people have real enemies.

But it's only on Words-L.  I think I've mentioned that before.  Paranoia
isn't among my problems in any other context.

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> Bon giorno, Max.
  ^^^
Buon

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>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:53 PM
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>
>
>Does anyone have the recipe for this?
>
>Karen
>

I am only guessing, Adam who cooked the recipe has it.



alec

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= >
= >In this neighborhood we get the smell of what someone has told me
= >is cooking soybeans.  It's a heavy vegetable smell, for sure.
=
= Not unpleasant?

Not pleasant.

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>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 7:54 PM
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>
>
>> Has any other wordsler bought a new car in the last three
>years?  If so,
>> please tell.
>
>I bought my Taurus in October 2001. The SE model cost me about $21,000.
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@attbi.com
>

Subaru Forester 2003 Green - June 6, 2002



alec

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>Subject: What's that SMELL?
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>
>There's some kind of faint smell in the air which is reminding me
>VERY vividly of my first day in Chicago (which also means the US).
>What the hell is it? I can't even decide whether it is a bread
>kind of smell, green beans kind of smell or just a wet rickety
>wooden staircase kind of smell, or something else. Has anything
>like this happened to anyone?
>

ASS

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bonniev writes,

>No.   I doubt I will.  I remain philosophically opposed to photography.

Photography provides a way to retrospectively examine your own life.  Ho de
anexetastos bios ou biôtos anthrôpô.

Pete

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Saturday, April 5, 2003, 11:03:17 AM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>Does anyone have the recipe for this?
>>
>>Karen
>>

> I am only guessing, Adam who cooked the recipe has it.

But I need the recipe for tomorrow, and Adam doesn't always read
mail on the weekends. Anyway, I have it now.

ET #3

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I'm happy to report that I've now changed my clocks.  I don't think I've
overlooked any, though I might have.  I have lots of clocks.
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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Saturday, April 5, 2003, 11:54:37 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I'm happy to report that I've now changed my clocks.  I don't think I've
> overlooked any, though I might have.  I have lots of clocks.

This is the act of a paranoid.

ET #3

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At 09:36 AM 4/5/2003 -0800, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>Photography provides a way to   [[[retrospectively]]]  examine your own life.


How else, pray tell?

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > I'm happy to report that I've now changed my clocks.  I don't think I've
> > overlooked any, though I might have.  I have lots of clocks.
>
> This is the act of a paranoid.

Which?  Changing the clocks or having lots of clocks?  Why is either of
the above paranoid?

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Saturday, April 5, 2003, 12:01:20 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > I'm happy to report that I've now changed my clocks.  I don't think I've
>> > overlooked any, though I might have.  I have lots of clocks.
>>
>> This is the act of a paranoid.

> Which?  Changing the clocks or having lots of clocks?  Why is either of
> the above paranoid?

Changing the clocks more than 14 hours early is a sign that you
are in deep distress.

ET #3

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Changing the clocks more than 14 hours early is a sign that you
> are in deep distress.

Why?  Nothing in my life involves knowing what time it is until tomorrow
afternoon, at which time my clocks will be right.  There's no need at
all for me to know what time it is today.  And it was the perfect time
for such a task since I had time to kill while waiting for some bread to
thaw.  Alas, after the bread had thawed, I remembered that I was out of
cheese, which is what I'd been planning on putting on the bread.  So I
had to put peanut butter on it instead.  Sometimes that's exactly what
I'm in the mood for, but this time I'd been in a cheese mood.  I'm about
to go to the grocery store since I'm out of almost everything.  It is
the timely thing to do.

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> > Bon giorno, Max.
>   ^^^
> Buon

You say tomato, I say tomato.

http://tinyurl.com/8vsn

             - D. M.

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Saturday, April 5, 2003, 12:24:07 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

>> > Bon giorno, Max.
>>   ^^^
>> Buon

> You say tomato, I say tomato.

> http://tinyurl.com/8vsn

"No entries"

ET #3

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>bonniev writes,
>>No.   I doubt I will.  I remain philosophically opposed to photography.
>
>Photography provides a way to retrospectively examine your own life.
>Pete

One ought to be engaged in living one's life, not in looking back.


    --bonniev

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Hi

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In a message dated 4/5/2003 6:57:44 AM, stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:

<< My first day in the Netherlands is marked by the smell of frozen
peat. >>

I don't have the foggiest idea what frozen peat smells like, but I once spend
a summer as a tourist guide in the polders, and don't recall any *funny*
smell at all.
Most of my life was spent on the sea shore though. Do you suppose I took that
memory with me to the polders? Nawww, couldn't be.
Theo

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02003-04-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> http://www.poems.com
>
> Today's poem is, like, totally a WLM.

And combines everything that is LAME too ...

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02003-04-05 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 09:36 AM 4/5/2003 -0800, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> >Photography provides a way to   [[[retrospectively]]]  examine your own
> >life.
>
> How else, pray tell?

There are other ways to examine your life, but you think
we are going to tell you?

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Karen Kay wrote:
> It's often a more satisfying experience to go to hospice, rather
> than have them come to you.

There are not facilities here in this county for going to hospice for
endless unknown periods of time. As I wrote yesterday, they have beds at
the hospital in limited number for your last week or two (up to four, I
think), if needed. I think your mother could go for as long as she
wanted, right? Besides, I would rather be at home with my toys and
children. And bathing will be a problem, but it will be worked out.

alyce

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Ann--

Thanks for writing to St. Peter. Now, the test. About 5-6 years ago I
said on Words-L that I had found a sweet antique bookmark in a book,
made of ribbon and maybe ivory (or maybe early celluloid). Someone asked
if she could have it and I said yes, but then I lost it. Was this person
you? Because the  bookmark just resurfaced in our "beginning to pack
things up" thing that is going on here.

alyce


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We discussed elephant ears a while back, I think.  Is it too early to
plant them?  I read in one place on the web that the ground needed to be
consistly above 60 to plant them since they're tropical plants.
Elsewhere I read that they're quite happy all winter in north Alabama,
so I don't see why they would be picky about north-central Mississippi.

Maybe I should go to the co-op and see whether they have any.  I also
think it's time to dig up or cut off or whatever the ornamental cabbages
and kale that shot up those fascinating spiral things last month.  Their
spirals are looking rather ratty now.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Saturday, April 5, 2003, 1:43:28 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> There are not facilities here in this county for going to hospice for
> endless unknown periods of time. As I wrote yesterday, they have beds at
> the hospital in limited number for your last week or two (up to four, I
> think), if needed. I think your mother could go for as long as she
> wanted, right?

In the sense that they only required you to be terminal, yes. The
nurses said that people had spent up to 9 months there. I think
my Mom was there for a month.

> Besides, I would rather be at home with my toys and
> children.

Then I'm glad you can do this, Alyce. When are your children
coming?

ET #3

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        It sounds like something Martha Stewart would do.

        Anyway, I'm going to back to re-reading Angelou's _Caged
Bird_ book, which I've never liked.  Adam (fellow teacher)
got a lot of parent flak for it earlier in the semester.
We're both all for dropping it from the required list -- we
just don't like it well enough to go to bat for it.  It's
just badly written and offensive.  If we're going to teach
something offensive, it had better at least be well done (he
did Malcolm X this year -- I might pick that up for  next
year).  I have to keep going back over sentences that
bristle with misplaced modifiers.

        I'm just babbling.  I do so enjoy that my job involves
debating and making decisions about literature.  I received
approval to pilot Reservation Blues with my remedials next
year, which I'm pretty pleased about -- especially since I
know Adam has been doing such interesting things with that
group this year and I'm getting them in good shape to do the
kinds of literature I enjoy.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
>>Changing the clocks more than 14 hours early is a sign that you
>>are in deep distress.
>>
>
> Why?  Nothing in my life involves knowing what time it is until tomorrow
> afternoon, at which time my clocks will be right.  There's no need at
> all for me to know what time it is today.  And it was the perfect time
> for such a task since I had time to kill while waiting for some bread to
> thaw.  Alas, after the bread had thawed, I remembered that I was out of
> cheese, which is what I'd been planning on putting on the bread.  So I
> had to put peanut butter on it instead.  Sometimes that's exactly what
> I'm in the mood for, but this time I'd been in a cheese mood.  I'm about
> to go to the grocery store since I'm out of almost everything.  It is
> the timely thing to do.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> In the sense that they only required you to be terminal, yes. The
> nurses said that people had spent up to 9 months there. I think
> my Mom was there for a month.

There is a difference from city/county to city/county because of the
availability (or not) of bed space. We have just the one hospital for
two counties. Hospice has dibs on ten beds in that hospital at any one
time. They cannot have people there for any longer than absolutely
necessary. The beds are not empty if hospice is not using them--then
they are used for regular patients. I was in a hospice bed
in January, but for infectious disease, not terminal illness (little did
we know).

> > Besides, I would rather be at home with my toys and
> > children.
>
> Then I'm glad you can do this, Alyce.

Wouldn't everyone want that?

> When are your children coming?

Doug is coming April 15-21. Then they will alternate and/or overlap and
merge. THey have not had time to make out a schedule yet--they've only
known the need for 24 hours.

alyce

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In a message dated 4/5/2003 12:49:20 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Besides, I would rather be at home with my toys and
children. And bathing will be a problem, but it will be worked out. >>

You're not kidding! I know you're not, but hospitals are no fun places to
choose over your own home. My best wishes going your way.
Theo

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Was taking tylenol+codeine #4 every four hours. Yesterday I got a pain
patch, so no more pills. Change patch every three days.

alyce
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>Was taking tylenol+codeine #4 every four hours. Yesterday I got a pain
>patch, so no more pills. Change patch every three days.
>alyce

That does sound like an improvement.  It's amazing how many things are
patches these days from nicotine to hormone to pain medication.   Does the
pain medication make you feel kind of dopey?   From your posting to
words-l, it doesn't seem that way.  You remain as clear-headed as ever.  I
still laugh every once in a while about that witticism you pulled off at
dinner after Snow Bash -- about Natalie's VISA bill being Walmart, Walmart,
Walmart.


    --bonniev

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> Brad's computer is *always* sick with one thing or another.
>
> ET #3

I resemble this remark.  I am going with cable modem.  What do
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brad

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Saturday, April 5, 2003, 2:50:39 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> There is a difference from city/county to city/county because of the
> availability (or not) of bed space. We have just the one hospital for
> two counties.

My Mom's hospice was part of a nursing home, and I think it was
private. I don't really understand how it works; I remember she
had to pay for it.

>> > Besides, I would rather be at home with my toys and
>> > children.
>>
>> Then I'm glad you can do this, Alyce.

> Wouldn't everyone want that?

I guess I deleted my original answer, since this isn't a choice
for you. The hospice rooms in this place were decorated in good
taste and allowed room for you to bring a significant amount of
your own stuff.

What I was thinking about it being easier had to do with the
bathroom, the bathing facilities, the catheter stuff, simply the
ability to lift and move my mother when we wanted to move her.
(My sisters could do this--one is a paramedic, one is a nurse. I
couldn't manage it.) My Mom could get to the bathroom on her own
and walk a little when she moved in, but quickly lost the
ability. It was nice to be able to go outside when the weather
was nice, even though she couldn't walk.

There were bird feeders outside each of the rooms, and a nice garden with
a pond and geese. The atmosphere wasn't like a hospital.

> Doug is coming April 15-21. Then they will alternate and/or overlap and
> merge.

This is good.

ET #3

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Saturday, April 5, 2003, 3:10:03 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Was taking tylenol+codeine #4 every four hours. Yesterday I got a pain
> patch, so no more pills. Change patch every three days.

Cool! This is a great thing!

I want one.:)

ET #3

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Saturday, April 5, 2003, 11:57:40 AM, bogris01 wrote:
>> Brad's computer is *always* sick with one thing or another.
>>
>> ET #3

> I resemble this remark.  I am going with cable modem.  What do
> you think?

Good move--but few of the problems I've had with mine were
solvable by them. It helps to understand networking.

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On 5 Apr 2003 at 12:57, bogris01 wrote:

> I resemble this remark.  I am going with cable modem.  What do
> you think?

Good. Then you'll have two things to get sick: your computer and your
cable service.

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WHAT A DIFFERENCE A DAY MAKES !

For Turks April 23rd Means Love & Peace
For Armenians April 24th is Rancor & Hatred


(An Editorial)

Mahmut Esat Ozan
Chairman Editorial Board
The Turkish Forum


COMPARISON OF THOSE TWO SIMPLE DATES
====================================

Soon, during a special  day in April all Turks will be basking in the joy and
gladness of celebrations of a day dedicated to the children of their
country.However, no matter how one looks at it  this period of a single day
possesses a big meaning for us, the Turkish people, who  celebrate the 23rd
of April  with great friendship joy and love because it is the anniversary of
not only the establishment of the Turkish Republic's Grand National Assembly
(TGNA), the National  Sovereignty, but it also the whole coiuntry  co
mmemorates the National Children's Day. This unique day in the annals of
world history April 23rd is a joyful day which is celebrated every  year as
usual with great enthusiasm.

During this day many pageants, jubilees festivals take place. Maypoles,
carousals are set up, cheerful  events are held throughout the country, the
Radio and Television  reserve for the Turkish youth special shows of interest
to them . Apart from these activities many student groups visit Atatürk's
Mausoleum. This is the final resting place of Kemal Ataturk, the founder and
first President of that Republic. Ataturk is the one  great leader who made
it all possible for everyone in Turkiye to be free from foreign domination
and ignorance. He gave them a modern, secular country, which  despite some
recent repercussions in the news, still is a vivid example for many states
surrounding their nation today.

During these celebrations other student groups visit the presiding Turkish
President, the Speaker of the House, the Prime Minister and other Ministers
and symbolically take over  their offices temporarily for a day and run it
accordingly.  Thus, they convey the message to the Turkish people that they
are the representatives of the future who will govern the country eventually,
one day.

The TGNA convenes  in a special session on the occasion of the 23rd of
April. Children's and National Sovereignty Day. Speeches, are usually
delivered  for the occasion by the Speaker of the TGNA, the leaders of the
government talk on the importance and meaning of the day. Children perform at
the 19th of  May Stadium in Ankara. This year a ceremony will be held at the
old Parliament building on the occasion marking the 80th anniversary of the
opening of the TGNA.

This significant day has been an international event since 1979 when the
Turkish Radio and Television Corporation (TRT) first organized it. Since
then, children from all over the world have been getting together, having fun
every 23rd of April as the guests of the Turkish Republic.This international
event is the only one celebrated exclusively by and for the children of the
world.

ALL COLORS OF THE WORLD

The '23rd of  April International Children's Festival Gala', sponsored by the
TRT, is held at the a different locale every year. Last year it was
celebrated in Ephesus Antique Theatre. During the event, 600 children from 36
countries spoke in the same language-friendship-and sent messages of peace to
the whole world. These children were hosted in the homes of friends of the
same age, who live in Kusadasi and Selçuk, two of the Western Anatolian
cities.

After a lapse of 12 years, Greek children attended the Festival. At the end
of the event, the children appeared on stage and danced to the music of
Tarkan's song, 'Simarik' and others.

SIGNIFICANCE OF APRIL 23

The 23rd of  April occupies an important place in the history of the Republic
of Turkey since it is the day when the Turkish Grand National Assembly was
first inaugurated under very difficult conditions resulting from the events
of the time. After the Republic was established, Atatürk dedicated this day
to children and called it, 'National Sovereignty and Children's Day'. In line
with his dictum, 'Peace at Home, Peace in the World', Atatürk respected the
sovereignty of all nations, and thus decided that National Sovereignty Day
should be held at the same time as Children's day.

If the whole world were to celebrate the 23rd of  April as a festival for
children, then respect for national sovereignty and brotherhood would attain
universal dimensions, because, children are the hope for the future and when
they grow up and become leaders, they will remember the joy and enthusiasm of
festivals held during their childhood. If they live in an atmosphere of
peace, friendship, and love, then they will realize what Atatürk meant by the
motto, 'Peace at Home, Peace in the World' and they will pass this concept on
to coming generations to promote those high ideals.

IN STARK CONTRAST TO THIS ALL
===========================
It is very meaningful that only one single, solitary day separates  April 23,
 the Turkish day of  love, friendship and world peace, from the traditional
Armenian day of hate, enmity and bloodshed.   As the title of this essay says
:"What a difference a day makes," we Turks believe that those twenty-four
little hours do make a huge and even a gigantic difference. I cannot repeat
it enough that where in the case of  the former's  friendship, love and peace
 these admirable feelings blossom, on the other hand, in comparison to it,
April 24 of the Armenians' has nothing to offer anyone but  rancor, venom and
hatred. Theirs is the  manifestations of their hatred against us, the Turks.


THE APRIL FRENZY AND DELIRIUM

Every Spring, when the month of April approaches,  a "frenzy and delirium"
take over  Armenian institutions. Writers of all caliber of talent and
background grind out stories by the dozens. Everyone competes with everyone
else to outdo each other in sending letters, faxes, and e-mails, even
telegrams to as many publications as
possible. After all, Spring is the season of resurrection, and their stale
concoctions left over from the previous years have to be recycled once again
and expedited to their new destinations, as if they were coming from some
freshly cultivated new crop.

So, as they have done in the past, again this year in April,  2003 , ANCA,
the Armenian National Committee of America has  invited all Armenians in
Diaspora to send a letter to protest the U.S. government for their closeness
with the Turkish State,  and has urged them to write a letter reminding
President Bush of the 15th year anniversary of U.S. implimentation of the
so-called Genocide Convention, similar, as they say to the S.Res 307 which
was cosponsored last year by over 30 senators they own, lock stock and
barrel. It was defeated then, but they are hoping to pass it this year
because of the existence of the seeming rift which was created through the
lack of political experience of the new Islamist-rooted Turkish government in
Ankara.

To all of these Armenians in Diaspora, Spring is also the perfect time to go
out and plant in various journals and magazines fictional accounts of their
side of the mythical stories written in a myriad of bogus articles. They  get
them published by spending large amounts of dollars. Following this, they
hand carry  these artificially generated and printed materials to show to
state legislators, to US Congressmen and Senators and demand that they pay
attention to these documents and plead with them that they should consider
them as examples in their present ongoing, and even in their future, propos
als, etc..

And, lo and behold ! their insidious system works. The routine goes on, and
on, and the American people are fooled. The deception continues with no end
in sight. The Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA) is happy, and the
lackeys of these Armenians as their constituents, the unabashed Armenian
supporters: the Pallones, the Schiffs, the Knollenbergs, the Radanoviches
keep on getting elected and thus sustain and propagate the "GENOCIDE.COM"
operations. Their ultimate goal is to reach and inundate and thus infest in a
 premeditating way the uninformed, and vulnerable inhabitants of every
conceivable location in this universe and perhaps "beyond."

So let me repeat once more: "What a difference a day makes", makes a
difference
and the world is a better place for having learnt it.

meozan@turkishforum.com



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At 04:21 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>Was taking tylenol+codeine #4 every four hours. Yesterday I got a pain
>>patch, so no more pills. Change patch every three days.
>>alyce
>
>That does sound like an improvement.  It's amazing how many things are
>patches these days from nicotine to hormone to pain medication.   Does the
>pain medication make you feel kind of dopey?   From your posting to
>words-l, it doesn't seem that way.  You remain as clear-headed as ever.  I
>still laugh every once in a while about that witticism you pulled off at
>dinner after Snow Bash -- about Natalie's VISA bill being Walmart, Walmart,
>Walmart.

Yes!  We all cracked up.  Have you spoken with Ken, the ex-tenant?

Betty

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bonniev wrote:
>   Does the
> pain medication make you feel kind of dopey?

Nope, not yet. Maybe later <increased> doses will. I don't know. Very
expensive--$135 for 9 days. But my insurance co-pay is just $16, so that
is not so bad in exchange for no pain. My co-pay is usually $8, but
doubles over $75 to $16.)

alyce
alyce

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> >I bought my Taurus in October 2001. The SE model cost me about $21,000.
> >
> >--Adam
> >adamh1@attbi.com
> >
>
> Subaru Forester 2003 Green - June 6, 2002
> alec

I'd rather have your car. Wanna switch?

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Karen Kay wrote:
> My Mom's hospice was part of a nursing home, and I think it was
> private. I don't really understand how it works; I remember she
> had to pay for it.

Well, that is something completely different. I pay nothing. The
taxpayers take care of that for me. Once again you have changed the
terms of the conversation. I clearly said that this was in-home/short
hospital stay at the expense of Medicare Part A. And you continue to
speak of something entirely otherwise. But that is the way of Words-L.

alyce

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Betty wrote:
  Have you spoken with Ken, the ex-tenant?
>
Ken has called me every day/night since he left. and will do so until I
am not here to answer the phone.

alyce

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At 05:21 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
> > My Mom's hospice was part of a nursing home, and I think it was
> > private. I don't really understand how it works; I remember she
> > had to pay for it.
>
>Well, that is something completely different. I pay nothing. The
>taxpayers take care of that for me. Once again you have changed the
>terms of the conversation. I clearly said that this was in-home/short
>hospital stay at the expense of Medicare Part A. And you continue to
>speak of something entirely otherwise. But that is the way of Words-L.

:-)

Betty

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At 05:24 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>   Have you spoken with Ken, the ex-tenant?
> >
>Ken has called me every day/night since he left. and will do so until I
>am not here to answer the phone.

Oh, Alyce, this must be difficult for him, too.  Have you told him to come
back and get all his shit?

Betty

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I have finally decided to buy a condo in Sequoyah Hills. It will take me
a few days to get pre-approved, then I will look at available condos
there. I expect to select, close and move within two months. I have a
window for that now that this academic year is finally almost over. It was
quite demanding, what with budget crunches, a major change in UT
leadership, a new dep't head, etc.

After I move, I will address the issue of the 205,000 miles on my vehicle.
Also whether to go to Australia in July.

Bethany

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At 05:28 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>I have finally decided to buy a condo in Sequoyah Hills. It will take me
>a few days to get pre-approved, then I will look at available condos
>there. I expect to select, close and move within two months. I have a
>window for that now that this academic year is finally almost over. It was
>quite demanding, what with budget crunches, a major change in UT
>leadership, a new dep't head, etc.

What made you finally decide?  Haven't you been waffling forever on this? I
wonder if Natalie will move again before you?

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> I have finally decided to buy a condo in Sequoyah Hills.

Congratulations! Why now? You've been talking about it for years, but I
thought you wanted to buy a house, not a condo.

--Adam

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02003-04-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> It sounds like something Martha Stewart would do.

I truly wouldn't mind living in a timeless "capsule" for a
while. Say six months. But even a month is fine. I wish I
could afford it.

> Anyway, I'm going to back to re-reading Angelou's _Caged
> Bird_ book, which I've never liked. [...]

This is what happened to me with the God of Small Things (I
think the name is) ... the sentences, man. They were just so
gross I couldn't go on after a few pages. Like a deliberate
insult to story-telling techniques people have achieved--in
English, in Indian languages ... Never understood how people
slogged through the thing.

> I'm just babbling.  I do so enjoy that my job involves
> debating and making decisions about literature.

You mean you are a b*tch ... that's fine since it doesn't
affect me. PS, I am just babbling.

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> PS, I am just babbling.

Please to stop babbling and put up the SnowBash pictures I sent!

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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alyce cresap wrote:

> bonniev wrote:
>
>>  Does the
>>pain medication make you feel kind of dopey?
>>
>
> Nope, not yet. Maybe later <increased> doses will. I don't know. Very
> expensive--$135 for 9 days. But my insurance co-pay is just $16, so that
> is not so bad in exchange for no pain. My co-pay is usually $8, but
> doubles over $75 to $16.)


        Vinnie's baby sister got loose and was hit by a car a week
ago and was using those pain patches in her recovery (broken
pelvis, tail).  Cecily says one box cost her $300.  Of
course, pets don't have co-pays.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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        Karen, will you shut up and quit arguing with Alyce for once?

alyce cresap wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>My Mom's hospice was part of a nursing home, and I think it was
>>private. I don't really understand how it works; I remember she
>>had to pay for it.
>>
>
> Well, that is something completely different. I pay nothing. The
> taxpayers take care of that for me. Once again you have changed the
> terms of the conversation. I clearly said that this was in-home/short
> hospital stay at the expense of Medicare Part A. And you continue to
> speak of something entirely otherwise. But that is the way of Words-L.
>
> alyce
>
>


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Adam Hartfield wrote:

>>I have finally decided to buy a condo in Sequoyah Hills.
>>
>
> Congratulations! Why now? You've been talking about it for years, but I
> thought you wanted to buy a house, not a condo.
>

        I bet it has something to do with tax benefits or retirement
income.



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At 05:48 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > PS, I am just babbling.
>
>Please to stop babbling and put up the SnowBash pictures I sent!

Yes, and last year's too including the Alice Bash.

Betty

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At 04:47 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>alyce cresap wrote:
>
>>bonniev wrote:
>>
>>>  Does the
>>>pain medication make you feel kind of dopey?
>>
>>Nope, not yet. Maybe later <increased> doses will. I don't know. Very
>>expensive--$135 for 9 days. But my insurance co-pay is just $16, so that
>>is not so bad in exchange for no pain. My co-pay is usually $8, but
>>doubles over $75 to $16.)
>
>
>        Vinnie's baby sister got loose and was hit by a car a week
>ago and was using those pain patches in her recovery (broken
>pelvis, tail).  Cecily says one box cost her $300.  Of
>course, pets don't have co-pays.

OH, no!  Did the driver stop?

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02003-04-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Saturday, April 5, 2003, 11:57:40 AM, bogris01 wrote:
> > I resemble this remark.  I am going with cable modem.  What do
> > you think?
>
> Good move--but few of the problems I've had with mine were
> solvable by them.

Then why is it a good move?

> It helps to understand networking.

Like what? There are dots with arrows between them? I don't see
what "networking" you have to understand. (The guy who came to
install my cable modem a couple of weeks ago sure didn't seem to
know anything about networking. He plugged a couple of things in,
rebooted, fiddled with some "TCP settings" or whatever, rebooted,
and the machine was on the net. That's all Brad needs. I have to
thank my immense foresight to boot into Windows before he got there,
whereas "Brad" clearly has Windows already ...)

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How about "Shut the fuck up, Karen!"

At 04:47 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>        Karen, will you shut up and quit arguing with Alyce for once?
>
>alyce cresap wrote:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>>My Mom's hospice was part of a nursing home, and I think it was
>>>private. I don't really understand how it works; I remember she
>>>had to pay for it.
>>
>>Well, that is something completely different. I pay nothing. The
>>taxpayers take care of that for me. Once again you have changed the
>>terms of the conversation. I clearly said that this was in-home/short
>>hospital stay at the expense of Medicare Part A. And you continue to
>>speak of something entirely otherwise. But that is the way of Words-L.
>>
>>alyce
>>
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

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02003-04-05 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 05:48 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> >> PS, I am just babbling.
> >
> >Please to stop babbling and put up the SnowBash pictures I sent!
>
> Yes, and last year's too including the Alice Bash.

But ... babbling feels so good!

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At 02:59 PM 4/5/2003 -0800, Betty wrote:
>At 05:48 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> > PS, I am just babbling.
>>
>>Please to stop babbling and put up the SnowBash pictures I sent!
>
>Yes, and last year's too including the Alice Bash.

No, the AlYce Bash.  So sorry, Alyce.

Betty

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I have one now for my bed in the RV.   Life is good.

Betty

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> I have one now for my bed in the RV.   Life is good.
>
> Betty

Bet you're just tickled to death.

         - D. M.

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Betty wrote:
>
> Oh, Alyce, this must be difficult for him, too.

It is killing him. He saved my life after the pneumonias, and now he
can't do it a second time. Just spoke to him a moment ago. He says he is
in shock and cannot cry. But I know he will.

> Have you told him to come
> back and get all his shit?

No. It will be sent to him by moving van as soon as Doug and/or Jeff
pack up the last of it.

alyce
> Betty


--
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po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
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Oh, come on.   Let's hear the side effects of pain patches.

>How about "Shut the fuck up, Karen!"
>
>>        Karen, will you shut up and quit arguing with Alyce for once?
>>
>>>>My Mom's hospice was part of a nursing home, and I think it was
>>>>private. I don't really understand how it works; I remember she
>>>>had to pay for it.
>>>
>>>Well, that is something completely different. I pay nothing. The
>>>taxpayers take care of that for me. Once again you have changed the
>>>terms of the conversation. I clearly said that this was in-home/short
>>>hospital stay at the expense of Medicare Part A. And you continue to
>>>speak of something entirely otherwise. But that is the way of Words-L.
>>
>>    --bonniev

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Tushar Samant wrote:


> You mean you are a b*tch ... that's fine since it doesn't
> affect me. PS, I am just babbling.


        Indeed O' Jealous One.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Betty wrote:
>
> I have one now for my bed in the RV.   Life is good.

I have a body pillow. It is Good.

alyce

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At 05:10 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
> > I have one now for my bed in the RV.   Life is good.
> >
> > Betty
>
>Bet you're just tickled to death.
>
>          - D. M.

Doris, you shouldn't say death.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> Oh, come on.   Let's hear the side effects of pain patches.

How about Levoquin side effects?
Or Zythromax--I am taking that right now.

alyce

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At 06:00 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> >
> > Oh, Alyce, this must be difficult for him, too.
>
>It is killing him. He saved my life after the pneumonias, and now he
>can't do it a second time. Just spoke to him a moment ago. He says he is
>in shock and cannot cry. But I know he will.
Yes. It was really cool to meet him. It was like getting to know another
piece of your life. Does ET still talk to you?

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>No. It will be sent to him by moving van as soon as Doug and/or Jeff
>pack up the last of it.      --alyce

Poor Ken.   I'm glad he has a wife now to comfort him.   What will happen
with your storehouse of books?


    --bonniev

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At 06:05 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> >
> > I have one now for my bed in the RV.   Life is good.
>
>I have a body pillow. It is Good.

Feathers?

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Betty wrote:

> Does ET still talk to you?

Absolutely. Spike was a little afraid of him, amd would run from the
room, but without Spike, I find ET good company. But not as good as
Spike's, of course.

alyce

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bogris01 wrote:

> I resemble this remark.  I am going with cable modem.  What do
> you think?

You're back!  I'm glad!  I think you were asking Karen this question,
but my answer is that it apparently depends on where you live.  In
Starkville, DSL is much, much better than cable.  I'm not even sure that
cable modem still exists here.  The people who tried it mainly dropped
it and went to DSL.  People in other places, however, seem happy with
cable -- Bad Betty is one who comes to mind.

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> People in other places, however, seem happy with
> cable -- Bad Betty is one who comes to mind.

I'm quite happy with my cable modem service as well.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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bonniev wrote:

What will happen
> with your storehouse of books?

I cannot stand to talk about this right now, sorry. It is a major
problem--not the money, but the loss of something very important to me.
I fear they'll be thrown away. I have to solve the problem, but until I
do, this will be an off-limits topic, OK please?

Thanks,
alyce

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Saturday, April 5, 2003, 4:21:23 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> I clearly said that this was in-home/short hospital stay at the
> expense of Medicare Part A. And you continue to speak of
> something entirely otherwise. But that is the way of Words-L.

I thought the topic was hospice.

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Betty wrote:
> >
> Feathers?

Down

alyce

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         It sounds like something Martha Stewart would do.

Why are you posting upside down?  I couldn't remember what this thread
was -- had to jump down to the bottom and then back up again to find out
that it was about clocks.  I'd never associated MS with clock-setting.
Did I mention that my RRSIL knows her?  I can't remember where it was
they met.  I think they're probably of an ilk, though.

> We're both all for dropping it from the required list -- we
> just don't like it well enough to go to bat for it.  It's
> just badly written and offensive.

There are some excerpts from it that are ok (and that are often
anthologized), but I wouldn't want to have to read the whole book again,
much less teach it.

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Saturday, April 5, 2003, 4:47:53 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         Karen, will you shut up and quit arguing with Alyce for once?

I WASN'T ARGUING WITH ALYCE. You really are a bitch, aren't you?

> alyce cresap wrote:

>> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>>My Mom's hospice was part of a nursing home, and I think it was
>>>private. I don't really understand how it works; I remember she
>>>had to pay for it.
>>>
>>
>> Well, that is something completely different. I pay nothing. The
>> taxpayers take care of that for me. Once again you have changed the
>> terms of the conversation. I clearly said that this was in-home/short
>> hospital stay at the expense of Medicare Part A. And you continue to
>> speak of something entirely otherwise. But that is the way of Words-L.
>>
>> alyce
>>
>>


> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita



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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Was taking tylenol+codeine #4 every four hours. Yesterday I got a pain
> patch, so no more pills. Change patch every three days.

That does sound good.  How long had you been taking the pain
medication?  I knew that you were feeling bad, but I hadn't realized
there was pain.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Saturday, April 5, 2003, 4:47:53 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        Karen, will you shut up and quit arguing with Alyce for once?
>>
>
> I WASN'T ARGUING WITH ALYCE. You really are a bitch, aren't you?



        Eleven years and you hadn't figured that out, yet?




>>alyce cresap wrote:
>>
>
>>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>My Mom's hospice was part of a nursing home, and I think it was
>>>>private. I don't really understand how it works; I remember she
>>>>had to pay for it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Well, that is something completely different. I pay nothing. The
>>>taxpayers take care of that for me. Once again you have changed the
>>>terms of the conversation. I clearly said that this was in-home/short
>>>hospital stay at the expense of Medicare Part A. And you continue to
>>>speak of something entirely otherwise. But that is the way of Words-L.
>>>
>>>alyce
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>
>
>
> ET #3
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Saturday, April 5, 2003, 4:56:12 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-04-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Saturday, April 5, 2003, 11:57:40 AM, bogris01 wrote:
>> > I resemble this remark.  I am going with cable modem.  What do
>> > you think?
>>
>> Good move--but few of the problems I've had with mine were
>> solvable by them.

> Then why is it a good move?

Because it's nice to have a broadband connection.

>> It helps to understand networking.

> Like what? There are dots with arrows between them? I don't see
> what "networking" you have to understand. (The guy who came to
> install my cable modem a couple of weeks ago sure didn't seem to
> know anything about networking. He plugged a couple of things in,
> rebooted, fiddled with some "TCP settings" or whatever, rebooted,
> and the machine was on the net. That's all Brad needs. I have to
> thank my immense foresight to boot into Windows before he got there,
> whereas "Brad" clearly has Windows already ...)

My installation guy so didn't know anything about networking, he
used the wrong cable to connect the modem to my computer. I had
to figure that out on my own. That's what I mean about 'it helps
to know something about networking'. Basic things like what plugs
into what.

ET #3

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In a message dated 04/05/2003 3:16:18 PM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<<
Was taking tylenol+codeine #4 every four hours. Yesterday I got a pain
patch, so no more pills. Change patch every three days.


>>

I'm glad; patches are easy to use, and you don't have to worry about
cutting pills if they are too big.

I've used tylenol 3, but I've never heard of tylenol 4.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> I thought the topic was hospice.

It was about *my* hospice. You seemed to be arguing with my posts, over
and over again because of *your* hospice experience. But it is your way.
I just got tired of it after two hours.

alyce

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In a message dated 04/05/2003 12:01:22 PM Central Standard Time,
cwv@PANAX.COM writes:

<<
At 09:36 AM 4/5/2003 -0800, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>Photography provides a way to   [[[retrospectively]]]  examine your own life.


How else, pray tell?


>>

Journals, tape recordings, and letters let you retrospectively
examine your life.  Psychiatrists, psychologists, and other
therapists let you examine your present life.  And Madame
Jannis will examine your future life for a small fee.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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bonniev wrote:

> still laugh every once in a while about that witticism you pulled off at
> dinner after Snow Bash -- about Natalie's VISA bill being Walmart, Walmart,
> Walmart.

I don't even remember that.  But it's true.  It wasn't as true back
before we had a SuperWmart since I grocery-shopped at Kroger back then.
But now almost everything is Wmart.  Or lately the Co-op, where I bought
some elephant ears today along with other odds 'n ends like some daisies
and begonias.  I hope I didn't plant the ee's too close to my camelia
bush.  I forgot that the ee's will supposedly get quite large.

I will agree with you, however, that there is sure nothing muddled about
Alyce's mind.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Betty wrote:

> At 04:47 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> alyce cresap wrote:
>>
>>> bonniev wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Does the
>>>> pain medication make you feel kind of dopey?
>>>
>>>
>>> Nope, not yet. Maybe later <increased> doses will. I don't know. Very
>>> expensive--$135 for 9 days. But my insurance co-pay is just $16, so that
>>> is not so bad in exchange for no pain. My co-pay is usually $8, but
>>> doubles over $75 to $16.)
>>
>>
>>
>>        Vinnie's baby sister got loose and was hit by a car a week
>> ago and was using those pain patches in her recovery (broken
>> pelvis, tail).  Cecily says one box cost her $300.  Of
>> course, pets don't have co-pays.
>
>
> OH, no!  Did the driver stop?


        No, Rabies Control picked her up, and they gave her a bunch
of shots and wormed her.  Why they felt this essential for a
dog with multiple pelvic fractures, I have no idea.  The
last thing she needs is the extra immulogical burden of
vaccines right now.  Oh well.  She's recovering nicely, but
will probably need her tail amputated.  I'm sure she'll
still beat the snot out of Vinnie when she visits, though.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Betty asked:
What made you finally decide?  Haven't you been waffling forever on this?
I wonder if Natalie will move again before you?
Adam said:
>Congratulations! Why now? You've been talking about it for years, but I
>thought you wanted to buy a house, not a condo.
And Rita said:
I bet it has something to do with tax benefits or retirement income.>

Thank you. The answer is more or less all of the above. In many ways, I
would prefer a house. But my post-retirement activity will almost
certainly involve 1-3 academic years elsewhere, so a house probably does
not make sense right now. If I hate living in a condo, I can sell it later
and buy a house.

My decision was trigged by my current income, mortgage rates, the
likelihood that rates will increase greatly, and the fact that I have time
to find a place and move right now. My accountant insists that ownership
will insure a financially successful retirement, and I know that she is
probably right.

Finally, the Old City continues to change, and frankly I will enjoy it
more in the future if I visit, knowing I will go home to a place
with plants, trees, more physical beauty generally,  etc.

For several months, I considered the Pembroke, condos near Market Sq.
downtown. But as long as I live downtown, I cut myself off from a part of
my former social life - for many Koxvillians will not come downtown or
to the Old City partly because they will not pay to park their vehicles -
and I have decided that that is important to me.

I can always move to the Pembroke later if I think I want to. Equity will
matter greatly in my life in the future. Living in the Old City served me
very well for a long time - it does not serve me particularly well today.
I will always cherish my experiences here - but it is simply time to move
on.

I am now looking forward to looking at condos, etc. If I found a house
that I thought would work - large enough that I could lease and still keep
rooms for my exclusive use, etc. - I would still consider one, but I doubt
I will find that in my price range.

Bethany

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Betty wrote:

> Yes!  We all cracked up.  Have you spoken with Ken, the ex-tenant?

I was thinking about that just last night -- after turning off the
computer.  I'm glad you asked.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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At 06:11 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Does ET still talk to you?
>
>Absolutely. Spike was a little afraid of him, amd would run from the
>room, but without Spike, I find ET good company. But not as good as
>Spike's, of course.

Have you heard how Spike is doing? I'll  never forget the image I had of
him and you outside when you were trying to keep him from running off. I
know it wasn't funny.

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> That does sound good.  How long had you been taking the pain
> medication?

January.

alyce

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Saturday, April 5, 2003, 5:20:31 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I thought the topic was hospice.

> It was about *my* hospice. You seemed to be arguing with my posts, over
> and over again because of *your* hospice experience. But it is your way.
> I just got tired of it after two hours.

I'm sorry you thought I was arguing with you.

ET #3

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> I've used tylenol 3, but I've never heard of tylenol 4.

Tylenol 4 is equal to two Tylenol 3s.

alyce

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Ken has called me every day/night since he left. and will do so until I
> am not here to answer the phone.

I love Ken!

How is his life going?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Karen Kay wrote:
> I'm sorry you thought I was arguing with you.

'sokay.
alyce

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> >
> >Bet you're just tickled to death.
> >
> >          - D. M.
>
> Doris, you shouldn't say death.

Yesterday someone said "the other side."
I almost called them on that but I
questioned whether I should, because
I didn't want to be flip.  Still, you know
that things like this are funny to me,
knowing that my own days are numbered,
and loving play on words.

But, as I said yesterday, humor helps.
My sister and I never made fun of death,
but we included it in the many things that
we laughed together about.  We accepted
the fact that we had only so much control
over it, and we lost our fear of it and we
enjoyed our time together.

I so hope Alyce can be free to enjoy her
days.  As I remember, the pain patches are
free of side effects and are wonderfully
helpful.

But, Betty, you are a hoot.

              - D. M.

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Betty wrote:
> Have you heard how Spike is doing?

The last I heard (in January), some new parents were being interviewed.
I don't know if they passed inspection. It makes me too sad to call to
find out.

alyce

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At 05:17 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>bogris01 wrote:
>
> > I resemble this remark.  I am going with cable modem.  What do
> > you think?
>
>You're back!  I'm glad!  I think you were asking Karen this question,
>but my answer is that it apparently depends on where you live.  In
>Starkville, DSL is much, much better than cable.  I'm not even sure that
>cable modem still exists here.  The people who tried it mainly dropped
>it and went to DSL.  People in other places, however, seem happy with
>cable -- Bad Betty is one who comes to mind.

Well, ours is being taken over, as you know, and I did have trouble for a
while when they did some "upgrading".  I couldn't access my uclink account
but they finally got that straightened out.

Betty

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At 06:13 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> > >
> > Feathers?
>
>Down

You're posting rich.

Betty

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>Tylenol 4 is equal to two Tylenol 3s.
>alyce

Sounds like the "new math".


    --bonniev

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Doris Markland wrote:
> Yesterday someone said "the other side."

When I had the bronchoscopy in January, the anesthetist was tellinng me
what to expect. He said, "When we get to the other side..." I screamed
at him. He had not realized how it sounded--it was common parlance at
the hospital because you cross sort of a bridge from the main part to
the OR.

alyce, going to eat dinner now

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Betty wrote:
>
> You're posting rich.

$160 at Hammacher-Schlemmer. I got it because of the pain in my
back--before I got the pain pills. But I still like it now.

alyce

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At 06:24 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> > I've used tylenol 3, but I've never heard of tylenol 4.
>
>Tylenol 4 is equal to two Tylenol 3s.

Is that some kind of new math?

Betty

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> After I move, I will address the issue of the 205,000 miles on my vehicle.

Somebody on Car Talk this morning when I was going to the po was talking
about her car with something like 260,000 miles on it, asking whether
she should worry that the timing belt and the clutch had never been
replaced.  I've forgotten what she said it was, but I do remember her
saying that it has a "Toyota engine" because I remember thinking,
"Good!"  Click and Clack told her that she might want to go on and have
the timing belt changed but not to worry about the clutch since she
drives mainly on the highway -- commuting thirty miles each way to New
Orleans over a long bridge -- and that the clutch was therefore resting
much of the time.

I'm looking forward to our helping you condo shop.  I love things like
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--
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> At 06:05 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
> >Betty wrote:
> > >
> > > I have one now for my bed in the RV.   Life is good.
> >
> >I have a body pillow. It is Good.
>
> Feathers?

Probably not.  To get the feathers someone
would have to  tamper with a chicken, and
Wordslers in general have a couple of
different reasons not to do that.

BTW we used to deal with constant nosebleeds
with our kids until we found out it was the
feather pillows causing it.

             - D. M.

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At 05:37 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
> > >
> > >Bet you're just tickled to death.
> > >
> > >          - D. M.
> >
> > Doris, you shouldn't say death.
>
>Yesterday someone said "the other side."
>I almost called them on that but I
>questioned whether I should, because
>I didn't want to be flip.  Still, you know
>that things like this are funny to me,
>knowing that my own days are numbered,
>and loving play on words.


I know and Alyce has a sense of humor. I want to make her laugh, not cry.

Betty

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At 06:34 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>Tylenol 4 is equal to two Tylenol 3s.
>>alyce
>
>Sounds like the "new math".

OhMyGod!  I'm turning into a recluse.

Betty

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At 05:41 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I'm looking forward to our helping you condo shop.  I love things like
>that.

Oh, oh.  May I ask that you keep "condo shopping" in the subject line,
please? Just trying to help Alyce out here.  :-)

BB

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> that I thought would work - large enough that I could lease and still
keep
> rooms for my exclusive use, etc. - I would still consider one, but I
doubt
> I will find that in my price range.
>
> Bethany

I should think a condo would work well for
retirement.  Pay the management fee and let
someone else worry about the lawn, etc.

            - D. M.

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Betty wrote:

> What made you finally decide?  Haven't you been waffling forever on this? I
> wonder if Natalie will move again before you?

I really do keep thinking about that wonderful house in BSL.  If I sold
this one, I could buy that one.  But it has no place for a lawnmower or
bags of mulch or other such essentials in life.  If you buy a cheap
house, you don't feel so bad about having a tasteful outside storage
building built.  But if you buy a house that costs a bunch, you don't
want to have to spend extra money making it <usable>.  I also wish it
didn't have carpet -- of a light color.  Spencer would turn the carpet
into a major mess.  And I have acquired rugs I like and want to have on
my floors.  (I realize that it used to be not unusual for people to put
rugs on top of carpet, but somehow that isn't quite what I want.)

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>>>Tylenol 4 is equal to two Tylenol 3s.
>>>alyce
>>
>>Sounds like the "new math".
>
>OhMyGod!  I'm turning into a recluse.
>Betty

Next thing you know you'll be able to hang wallpaper.


    --bonniev

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> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> > I've used tylenol 3, but I've never heard of tylenol 4.
>
> Tylenol 4 is equal to two Tylenol 3s.
>
> alyce

Once again I am reminded that
math is not my thing.

     - D. M.

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http://www.realtor.com/Prop/1024564887

I don't think this is a condo though.  But it is in Sequoyah Hills and it
is affordable.

    --bonniev

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alyce cresap wrote:

> room, but without Spike, I find ET good company. But not as good as
> Spike's, of course.

Do you know anything about what happened with Spike -- whether he found
another good home?  As things have been going, it's good that he went on
and moved.  And he sounded like an adaptable dog.  I'm glad you had him
while you did.

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At 05:47 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > What made you finally decide?  Haven't you been waffling forever on this? I
> > wonder if Natalie will move again before you?
>
>I really do keep thinking about that wonderful house in BSL.  If I sold
>this one, I could buy that one.  But it has no place for a lawnmower or
>bags of mulch or other such essentials in life.  If you buy a cheap
>house, you don't feel so bad about having a tasteful outside storage
>building built.  But if you buy a house that costs a bunch, you don't
>want to have to spend extra money making it <usable>.  I also wish it
>didn't have carpet -- of a light color.  Spencer would turn the carpet
>into a major mess.  And I have acquired rugs I like and want to have on
>my floors.  (I realize that it used to be not unusual for people to put
>rugs on top of carpet, but somehow that isn't quite what I want.)

You can have the carpet ripped out and pergo flooring installed.

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At 06:48 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>>>Tylenol 4 is equal to two Tylenol 3s.
>>>>alyce
>>>
>>>Sounds like the "new math".
>>
>>OhMyGod!  I'm turning into a recluse.
>>Betty
>
>Next thing you know you'll be able to hang wallpaper.

I don't have enough education for that.

Betty

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At 05:54 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
> > Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> > > I've used tylenol 3, but I've never heard of tylenol 4.
> >
> > Tylenol 4 is equal to two Tylenol 3s.
> >
> > alyce
>
>Once again I am reminded that
>math is not my thing.
>
>      - D. M.

Oh, Doris, we must be non-evil triplets!

NET#2

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> not make sense right now. If I hate living in a condo, I can sell it later
> and buy a house.

I didn't think you were necessarily looking for a house rather than a
condo.  Did I miss whatever it was that made others think that?  And I
don't know why you would hate living in a condo.  You've been living in
apartments for ages now, not unhappily, right?  If I didn't have a dog,
I would definitely prefer a condo or apartment -- if I lived in a place
where such existed that weren't overrun with partying students.

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http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/HomeListing.asp?snum=22&mlsttl=&frm=byMap&pgnum=3&mls=xmls&js=on&fid=so&vtsort=&ss_aywr=&poe=realtor&ct=knoxville&st=TN&zp=&mnprice=150000&mxprice=200000&mnbed=2&mnbath=1.5&typ=2&mnsqft=0&exft=0&exft=0&exft=0&exft=0&lid=&areaid=2186&sid=00AAF0EBEAEDC&snumxlid=1025308795&lnksrc=00001

Wow this one has 3100 square feet for only $165,000.   Looks a little
sterile though.  All red brick.

    --bonniev

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> I'm quite happy with my cable modem service as well.

I will also vouch for Adam's service -- at least during the brief time I
played with it.

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>>>OhMyGod!  I'm turning into a recluse.
>>>Betty
>>
>>Next thing you know you'll be able to hang wallpaper.
>
>I don't have enough education for that.
>Betty

Sometimes life provides enough of an education to catch up with those who
sat through all the classes.   Sometimes people are just born smarter than
those who sat through all those classes.


    --bonniev

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At 06:59 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/HomeListing.asp?snum=22&mlsttl=&frm=byMap&p
>gnum=3&mls=xmls&js=on&fid=so&vtsort=&ss_aywr=&poe=realtor&ct=knoxville&st=T
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>
>Wow this one has 3100 square feet for only $165,000.   Looks a little
>sterile though.  All red brick.

Bonnie, let me introduce you to www.tinyurl.com


                 http://tinyurl.com/8wl1

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At 07:05 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>>>OhMyGod!  I'm turning into a recluse.
>>>>Betty
>>>
>>>Next thing you know you'll be able to hang wallpaper.
>>
>>I don't have enough education for that.
>>Betty
>
>Sometimes life provides enough of an education to catch up with those who
>sat through all the classes.   Sometimes people are just born smarter than
>those who sat through all those classes.

I'll never catch up!  I'm still playing instead of going to class.

BB

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http://www.realtor.com/Prop/1022752133

740 Poets Corner Way.     It's not in Sequoyah Hills but it just about
right behind West Town Mall.

    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:

> My installation guy so didn't know anything about networking, he
> used the wrong cable to connect the modem to my computer. I had
> to figure that out on my own. That's what I mean about 'it helps
> to know something about networking'. Basic things like what plugs
> into what.

This is apparently one plus of DSL.  There's no "installation guy."  You
can hire one if you so choose, of course, but they point out that most
people don't since it's very easy.  And it is.  It's a no-brainer,
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--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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>Bonnie, let me introduce you to www.tinyurl.com
>                 http://tinyurl.com/8wl1

Thank you so much.

NET #1

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At 06:26 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>In a message dated 04/05/2003 12:01:22 PM Central Standard Time,
>cwv@PANAX.COM writes:
>
><<
>At 09:36 AM 4/5/2003 -0800, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> >Photography provides a way to   [[[retrospectively]]]  examine your own
> life.
>
>
>How else, pray tell?
>
>
> >>
>
>Journals, tape recordings, and letters let you retrospectively
>examine your life.  Psychiatrists, psychologists, and other
>therapists let you examine your present life.

And no matter what, what you examine is in the past.

cwv

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> > >
> > > Tylenol 4 is equal to two Tylenol 3s.
> > >
> > > alyce
> >
> >Once again I am reminded that
> >math is not my thing.
> >
> >      - D. M.
> Oh, Doris, we must be non-evil triplets!
>
> NET#2

Betty!  Think about it.  How could two
of us be triplets???  You are worse
at math than I am.

       - D. M.

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> >Journals, tape recordings, and letters let you retrospectively
> >examine your life.  Psychiatrists, psychologists, and other
> >therapists let you examine your present life.
>
> And no matter what, what you examine is in the past.
>
> cwv

It is my opinion that you can experience and
experience life, but until you stop and regroup
it you don't know what in the h*** you got out
of it.  Examining your life, in small segments or
large, sooner or later, is regrouping.  An absolute
necessity.

                         - D. M.

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>http://www.realtor.com/Prop/1024564887
>
>I don't think this is a condo though.  But it is in Sequoyah Hills and it
>is affordable.

Thanks, Bonnie. You are right - I might get seduced into buying a house,
after all. This sounds very attractive. I am glad I have been able to make
a decision that a condo is best - I could not even look when I could not
decide. Now, if I find a house that meets my needs while I am looking for
a condo, I can consider it - partly because I know exactly why I think a
condo is probably better. There are always exceptions.

Bethany

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>It is my opinion that you can experience and
>experience life, but until you stop and regroup
>it you don't know what in the h*** you got out
>of it.                           - D. M.

And what difference does it make to know what you got out of it?  Can't
change anything now.  Oh, I know.  You're going to say something about not
making the same mistakes over and over again.  But people don't really
change.  They only become more so.


    --bonniev

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At 06:18 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tylenol 4 is equal to two Tylenol 3s.
> > > >
> > > > alyce
> > >
> > >Once again I am reminded that
> > >math is not my thing.
> > >
> > >      - D. M.
> > Oh, Doris, we must be non-evil triplets!
> >
> > NET#2
>
>Betty!  Think about it.  How could two
>of us be triplets???  You are worse
>at math than I am.
>
>        - D. M.

Bonnie also made a similar comment.  So, 4-1=

NET#2

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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:

>http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/HomeListing.asp?snum=22&mlsttl=&frm=byMap&pgnum=3&mls=xmls&js=on&fid=so&vtsort=&ss_aywr=&poe=realtor&ct=knoxville&st=TN&zp=&mnprice=150000&mxprice=200000&mnbed=2&mnbath=1.5&typ=2&mnsqft=0&exft=0&exft=0&exft=0&exft=0&lid=&areaid=2186&sid=00AAF0EBEAEDC&snumxlid=1025308795&lnksrc=00001
>
>Wow this one has 3100 square feet for only $165,000.   Looks a little
>sterile though.  All red brick.

That's at Hamilton House - the very secure condos. I'll definitely
be looking there. The pool is a plus. I'll be pushed a bit on money the
first year, probably, and with a pool, I could cancel my Y membership.
Also cable tv is included in the monthly fee. As I recall, though, the
fees are a little high - I will have to get a very good deal to buy there
because of the fees. But good buys are possible. Hamilton House is in the
heart of Seq Hills - very desirable.

Bethany

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> >It is my opinion that you can experience and
> >experience life, but until you stop and regroup
> >it you don't know what in the h*** you got out
> >of it.                           - D. M.
>
> And what difference does it make to know what you got out of it?
Can't
> change anything now.  Oh, I know.  You're going to say something about
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> making the same mistakes over and over again.  But people don't really
> change.  They only become more so.
>
>
>     --bonniev

Disagree wholeheartedly.

       - D. M.

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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:

>http://www.realtor.com/Prop/1022752133
>
>740 Poets Corner Way.     It's not in Sequoyah Hills but it just about
>right behind West Town Mall.

Been there, done that. I have lived in that neighborhood - twice (Deane
Hill Apts.). It loses to Seq Hills bigtime: what I like about Seq
Hills are
1. location (located between UT/downtown and Penrose Farm)
2. beauty
3. sidewalks/river - you can walk in the neighborhhos just about
any time of day or night

Bethany

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Several weeks ago, I gave up reading the local newspaper - it's even worse
now than it used to be. But I bought one today so I can look at condo/open
house listings - I may go to some open houses tomorrow.

And I need to find my agent.

Bethany

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At 07:17 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:
>
> >http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/HomeListing.asp?snum=22&mlsttl=&frm=byMap
> &pgnum=3&mls=xmls&js=on&fid=so&vtsort=&ss_aywr=&poe=realtor&ct=knoxville&s
> t=TN&zp=&mnprice=150000&mxprice=200000&mnbed=2&mnbath=1.5&typ=2&mnsqft=0&e
> xft=0&exft=0&exft=0&exft=0&lid=&areaid=2186&sid=00AAF0EBEAEDC&snumxlid=102
> 5308795&lnksrc=00001
> >
> >Wow this one has 3100 square feet for only $165,000.   Looks a little
> >sterile though.  All red brick.
>
>That's at Hamilton House - the very secure condos. I'll definitely
>be looking there. The pool is a plus. I'll be pushed a bit on money the
>first year, probably, and with a pool, I could cancel my Y membership.
>Also cable tv is included in the monthly fee. As I recall, though, the
>fees are a little high - I will have to get a very good deal to buy there
>because of the fees. But good buys are possible. Hamilton House is in the
>heart of Seq Hills - very desirable.

It looks like an asylum.  Do you need a key to get in or to get out?

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
>
>>After I move, I will address the issue of the 205,000 miles on my vehicle.
>>
>
> Somebody on Car Talk this morning when I was going to the po was talking
> about her car with something like 260,000 miles on it, asking whether
> she should worry that the timing belt and the clutch had never been
> replaced.  I've forgotten what she said it was, but I do remember her
> saying that it has a "Toyota engine" because I remember thinking,
> "Good!"  Click and Clack told her that she might want to go on and have
> the timing belt changed but not to worry about the clutch since she
> drives mainly on the highway -- commuting thirty miles each way to New
> Orleans over a long bridge -- and that the clutch was therefore resting
> much of the time.

        The van is starting to act up, and we're thinking about
replacing it -- repairs are starting to creep up to a point
where they exceed what a car payment would be.  It has close
to 200,000 on it, and my car has over 100,000.  Man, we
drive too much.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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No one volunteered an answer, so I will.

Not wanting to discuss the war, just Sadaam.

I don't think the man roaming the street
yesterday was him.  It was one of his
look-alikes.  He overplayed his role,
doing high fives, touching people,
picking up babies.  The swagger looked
practiced, just missed the mark.  The
jawline is less square than Sadaam's,
the upper cheek slightly fatter.  
Abdominal pouch slightly different.

I hate to say this, but Sadaam has an
air  that this bugger just doesn't
have.  Never been rich, I suspect.  
Cosmetic surgery notwithstanding.

          - D. M.

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At 07:22 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>Several weeks ago, I gave up reading the local newspaper - it's even worse
>now than it used to be. But I bought one today so I can look at condo/open
>house listings - I may go to some open houses tomorrow.


YaY!  Have fun.

Betty

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At 06:34 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>>
>>
>>>After I move, I will address the issue of the 205,000 miles on my vehicle.
>>
>>Somebody on Car Talk this morning when I was going to the po was talking
>>about her car with something like 260,000 miles on it, asking whether
>>she should worry that the timing belt and the clutch had never been
>>replaced.  I've forgotten what she said it was, but I do remember her
>>saying that it has a "Toyota engine" because I remember thinking,
>>"Good!"  Click and Clack told her that she might want to go on and have
>>the timing belt changed but not to worry about the clutch since she
>>drives mainly on the highway -- commuting thirty miles each way to New
>>Orleans over a long bridge -- and that the clutch was therefore resting
>>much of the time.
>
>        The van is starting to act up, and we're thinking about
>replacing it -- repairs are starting to creep up to a point
>where they exceed what a car payment would be.  It has close
>to 200,000 on it, and my car has over 100,000.  Man, we
>drive too much.

I took my in-laws  this morning to look at a 1991 Buick Regal
Limited.  30,000 miles on it and it looks gorgeous!  This is a case where
the seller really is a little old lady. She is one of our volunteers at the
Health Service and they won't insure her any more.   They are buying it.

Betty

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02003-04-05 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
>
>  So, 4-1=
>    #2

Thank you, Betty, that will be all.

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At 06:41 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
>I hate to say this, but Sadaam has an
>air  that this bugger just doesn't
>have.  Never been rich, I suspect.
>Cosmetic surgery notwithstanding.
>
>           - D. M.

  I understand that his wife called all the body doubles together and
informed them of the bad news. Sadaam has lost an arm.

NET#2

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02003-04-05 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > And what difference does it make to know what you got out
> > of it? Can't change anything now.  Oh, I know.  You're going
> > to say something about not making the same mistakes over and
> > over again.  But people don't really change.  They only become
> > more so.
> >
> >     --bonniev
>
> Disagree wholeheartedly.
>
>        - D. M.

Greetings,

Bonnie is just bored.

Thanks

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At 06:47 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-05 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >
> >  So, 4-1=
> >    #2
>
>Thank you, Betty, that will be all.

Thank you.  I was wondering how I was going to get out of this.  Have you
finished the photos yet?

  :.-)

I remain most sincerely yours,
Betty

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Kansas is kicking butt! I hope the next game is better .

NET#2

Samant, in case you couldn't figure it out.  Brad is Net Zero.  Duh

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In a message dated 04/05/2003 5:30:34 PM Central Standard Time,
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<<
Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> I've used tylenol 3, but I've never heard of tylenol 4.

Tylenol 4 is equal to two Tylenol 3s.

>>

Thanks!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I so hope Alyce can be free to enjoy her
> days.

Alyce's attitude and my reflections about it all are changing some of my
views toward life and death.  That's all I'll say now about it.  Maybe
more later if it seems appropriate.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> http://www.realtor.com/Prop/1024564887
>
> I don't think this is a condo though.  But it is in Sequoyah Hills and it
> is affordable.

That is amazingly affordable.  But looking at the map confused me.
Where is Cherokee Blvd in relation to this house?

http://tinyurl.com/8wo7

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At 08:06 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>In a message dated 04/05/2003 5:30:34 PM Central Standard Time,
>alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:
>
><<
>Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> > I've used tylenol 3, but I've never heard of tylenol 4.
>
>Tylenol 4 is equal to two Tylenol 3s.
>
> >>
>
>Thanks!

AH!  You know the new math!

Betty

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I should think a condo would work well for
> retirement.  Pay the management fee and let
> someone else worry about the lawn, etc.

That would depend on what the management fee was, imho.  And, of course,
on whether you had a dog (which Bethany doesn't, but I'm speaking as A
Retired Person who is not considering condo life).

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PS: I meant to say re the house that I inquired about Cherokee Blvd in
relation to that one negative of that picture was that it appeared to
have a large yard.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/HomeListing.asp?snum=22&mlsttl=&frm=byMap&pgnum=3&mls=xmls&js=on&fid=so&vtsort=&ss_aywr=&poe=realtor&ct=knoxville&st=TN&zp=&mnprice=150000&mxprice=200000&mnbed=2&mnbath=1.5&typ=2&mnsqft=0&exft=0&exft=0&exft=0&exft=0&lid=&areaid=2186&sid=00AAF0EBEAEDC&snumxlid=1025308795&lnksrc=00001
>
> Wow this one has 3100 square feet for only $165,000.   Looks a little
> sterile though.  All red brick.

It looks like a school.  But surely Bethany doesn't want 3100 square
feet, even if she brings Maria home to live with her.

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>
> I took my in-laws  this morning to look at a 1991 Buick Regal
> Limited.  30,000 miles on it and it looks gorgeous!  This is a case
where
> the seller really is a little old lady. She is one of our volunteers
at the
> Health Service and they won't insure her any more.   They are buying
it.
>
> Betty

Good deal.  My mom drove a Buick in her
later years.  Research showed that Buicks
are the most care-free car an older person
can drive.  They are nice too.

              - D. M.

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At 07:07 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > I so hope Alyce can be free to enjoy her
> > days.
>
>Alyce's attitude and my reflections about it all are changing some of my
>views toward life and death.  That's all I'll say now about it.  Maybe
>more later if it seems appropriate.
.
Well, I hope you are changing your attitude.  I wanted to <slap> you last
week when you were talking about not caring but I figured you were going to
be you and I would save my energy.

NET#2

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> At 06:41 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
> >I hate to say this, but Sadaam has an
> >air  that this bugger just doesn't
> >have.  Never been rich, I suspect.
> >Cosmetic surgery notwithstanding.
> >
> >           - D. M.
>
>   I understand that his wife called all the body doubles together and
> informed them of the bad news. Sadaam has lost an arm.
>
> NET#2

This is a joke.  Right?
If so, let's spice it up a bit.
You follow me?

       - D. M.

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Betty wrote:

> You can have the carpet ripped out and pergo flooring installed.

It supposedly has pine floors under the carpet.  But my guess is that
they may not be in good condition.  If they were, why did the person put
the carpet down on top of them?  And re ripping up the carpet -- that
goes back to what I said about building something to hold outside stuff
like lawnmower.  If you buy a cheap house, you can do stuff like that.
If you buy an expensive house, you want it to be at least pretty close
to what you want it to be.

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At 07:19 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
>Good deal.  My mom drove a Buick in her
>later years.  Research showed that Buicks
>are the most care-free car an older person
>can drive.  They are nice too.
>
>               - D. M.

That is good to hear. Thanks. They really seemed to like it.

Betty

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> Betty wrote:
>
> > You can have the carpet ripped out and pergo flooring installed.
>
> It supposedly has pine floors under the carpet.  But my guess is that
> they may not be in good condition.  If they were, why did the person
put
> the carpet down on top of them?

Because that's what everyone was doing
that year.  I know.  It's like the way
Pergo came in and people switched to it.

And re ripping up the carpet -- that
> goes back to what I said about building something to hold outside
stuff
> like lawnmower.  If you buy a cheap house, you can do stuff like that.
> If you buy an expensive house, you want it to be at least pretty close
> to what you want it to be.

The cost of taking up carpet and sanding and
putting a good finish on wood floors would not
be prohibitive, proving the floors were in
reasonably good condition.  IMO.
Or, cheaper still, perhaps, putting in new
modern carpet.

            - D. M.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> first year, probably, and with a pool, I could cancel my Y membership.

Is the pool big enough for <real> swimming?

> because of the fees. But good buys are possible. Hamilton House is in the
> heart of Seq Hills - very desirable.

I'm suddenly remembering some condos across the river.  I'm not sure
where they were -- as in what across the river means.  My Kville
geography has faded.  But when I was running or cycling on Cherokee
Blvd, I'd sometimes look across the river at some condos on a bluff.
They looked desirable.  (Why do I have it stuck in my head that somebody
told me that Kenneth Curry lived in one of them?  After his house burned
down in Sequoyia Hills.)

--
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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:

>>That's at Hamilton House - the very secure condos. I'll definitely
>>be looking there. The pool is a plus. I'll be pushed a bit on money the
>>first year, probably, and with a pool, I could cancel my Y membership.
>>Also cable tv is included in the monthly fee. As I recall, though, the
>>fees are a little high - I will have to get a very good deal to buy there
>>because of the fees. But good buys are possible. Hamilton House is in the
>>heart of Seq Hills - very desirable.
>
>It looks like an asylum.  Do you need a key to get in or to get out?

A key or a code or a door-open signal from inside. You bet. That's what
secure means.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> house listings - I may go to some open houses tomorrow.

Real estate open houses are fun!  And they're always glad to have people
attending them, so you don't have to feel apologetic the way you would
(or at least I would) if asking a real estate agent to show a house.

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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:

>>Several weeks ago, I gave up reading the local newspaper - it's even worse
>>now than it used to be. But I bought one today so I can look at condo/open
>>house listings - I may go to some open houses tomorrow.
>
>YaY!  Have fun.

Thanks - I think I will. But I wasted 0.50 on the KN-S today - nada.

Bethany

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>Alyce's attitude and my reflections about it all are changing some of my
>views toward life and death.  That's all I'll say now about it.  Maybe
>more later if it seems appropriate.    -- Natalie

Oh good.   Are you going to quit smoking and start getting treatment for
your osteoporosis?


    --bonniev

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At 07:21 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
> > At 06:41 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
> > >I hate to say this, but Sadaam has an
> > >air  that this bugger just doesn't
> > >have.  Never been rich, I suspect.
> > >Cosmetic surgery notwithstanding.
> > >
> > >           - D. M.
> >
> >   I understand that his wife called all the body doubles together and
> > informed them of the bad news. Sadaam has lost an arm.
> >
> > NET#2
>
>This is a joke.  Right?
>If so, let's spice it up a bit.
>You follow me?
>
>        - D. M.

I couldn't help myself. I really don't like to joke about it but I couldn't
contain my laugh either.  So sorry.

:.-)

Virupaksha Mokshagundam knows that the extra dot is a tear.

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Brian Williams on MSNBC talking about
Special Ops as we turn the TV on, and
then the camera showing a pilot getting
up out of his seat in the cockpit, and
Gene yelling "There's Tom!" . . . .
and I'm out in the kitchen stirring the soup
and when I run into the family room they're
showing an ad!

               - D. M.

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bonniev wrote:

>> Alyce's attitude and my reflections about it all are changing some of my
>> views toward life and death.  That's all I'll say now about it.  Maybe
>> more later if it seems appropriate.    -- Natalie
>
>
> Oh good.   Are you going to quit smoking and start getting treatment for
> your osteoporosis?


        Let's not get too excited, now.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> http://www.realtor.com/Prop/1024564887
>>
>> I don't think this is a condo though.  But it is in Sequoyah Hills and it
>> is affordable.
>
>That is amazingly affordable.  But looking at the map confused me.
>Where is Cherokee Blvd in relation to this house?

It is probably about 15 blocks south and east. It is not in the part of
Seq Hills with sidewalks and easy access to the park/water area.

Bethany

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>Doris Markland wrote:
> > I should think a condo would work well for
> > retirement.  Pay the management fee and let
> > someone else worry about the lawn, etc.
>
>That would depend on what the management fee was, imho.  And, of course,
>on whether you had a dog (which Bethany doesn't, but I'm speaking as A
>Retired Person who is not considering condo life).
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I'm a retired person that wouldn't consider a condo.  I don't want to share
walls with neighbors.  I don't want the condo fee to go up depending on the
vote of my neighbors.  I don't want to live in that kind of density.   Not
that it is much of an issue.  Most important thing is that I want to live
in Bar Harbor and we have almost no condos here.


    --bonniev

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Doris Markland wrote:

> It is my opinion that you can experience and
> experience life, but until you stop and regroup
> it you don't know what in the h*** you got out
> of it.  Examining your life, in small segments or
> large, sooner or later, is regrouping.  An absolute
> necessity.

I don't know that examing one's past is a necessity, but I enjoy having
pictures because I enjoy my memories and the pictures remind me of
things.  Like some kinds of music.  I love some music for what it is.  I
like to listen to other music for the memories evoked.  And I *like* my
memories.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>That would depend on what the management fee was, imho.  And, of course,
>on whether you had a dog (which Bethany doesn't, but I'm speaking as A
>Retired Person who is not considering condo life).

I plan to have a dog. I will therefore either find a condo that allows
dogs (the Pembroke does) or I will delay having a dog until after the
early part of my retirement (when I will be elsewhere for 1-3 years) -
when I can sell my condo and  buy a house. Or I will buy a house instead
of a condo to start with.

Bethany

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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>It looks like a school.  But surely Bethany doesn't want 3100 square
>feet, even if she brings Maria home to live with her.

Sounds great to me. I find space empowering.

Bethany

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In a message dated 04/05/2003 7:11:21 PM Central Standard Time,
bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<<
AH!  You know the new math!

>>

New math, old math, I love them all.

Evelyn Duncan
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The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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>I'm suddenly remembering some condos across the river.  I'm not sure
>where they were -- as in what across the river means.  My Kville
>geography has faded.  But when I was running or cycling on Cherokee
>Blvd, I'd sometimes look across the river at some condos on a bluff.
>They looked desirable.  (Why do I have it stuck in my head that somebody
>told me that Kenneth Curry lived in one of them?  After his house burned
>down in Sequoyia Hills.)   -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

One of those condos is available.  Cherokee Bluffs I think is the name of
the development.  The real estate blurb said the condo was 25 years
old.   It sure doesn't seem that long ago that I remember watching them
rise on the ridge.


    --bonniev

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At 08:14 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> >>That's at Hamilton House - the very secure condos. I'll definitely
> >>be looking there. The pool is a plus. I'll be pushed a bit on money the
> >>first year, probably, and with a pool, I could cancel my Y membership.
> >>Also cable tv is included in the monthly fee. As I recall, though, the
> >>fees are a little high - I will have to get a very good deal to buy there
> >>because of the fees. But good buys are possible. Hamilton House is in the
> >>heart of Seq Hills - very desirable.
> >
> >It looks like an asylum.  Do you need a key to get in or to get out?
>
>A key or a code or a door-open signal from inside. You bet. That's what
>secure means.

Oh, well, I thought it looked like a place where they locked people up to
protect the rest of us.

NET#2

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>Special Ops as we turn the TV on, and
>then the camera showing a pilot getting
>up out of his seat in the cockpit, and
>Gene yelling "There's Tom!" . . . .
>                - D. M.

Was it really truly him??!!   How exciting!


    --bonniev

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> I'm a retired person that wouldn't consider a condo.  I don't want to
share
> walls with neighbors.  I don't want the condo fee to go up depending
on the
> vote of my neighbors.  I don't want to live in that kind of density.
Not
> that it is much of an issue.  Most important thing is that I want to
live
> in Bar Harbor and we have almost no condos here.
>
>
>     --bonniev

Bar Harbor sounds great.  Hope I get
to see it someday.

      - D. M.

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>:.-)
>
>Virupaksha Mokshagundam knows that the extra dot is a tear.
>NET#2

Is that what your extra dot has been all along?
.

    --NET#1

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Not wanting to discuss the war, just Sadaam.
>
> I don't think the man roaming the street
> yesterday was him.  It was one of his
> look-alikes.  He overplayed his role,

Also not discussing the war here (and not having any idea whether that
was or wasn't Saddam), but I've been wondering about the look-alikes
ever since I first heard about them way back whenever.  Can there really
be people who look *that* much alike?  I feel sure that the answer is
yes because there have been stories about the Saddam look-alikes for
years, and I am not doubting the word of the many people in positions to
observe such things.  Still, it seems so odd to me.

> doing high fives, touching people,
> picking up babies.  The swagger looked
> practiced, just missed the mark.  The

But wouldn't Saddam be acting sort of <odd> right now in any case --
like <protesting too much>?  Again -- I'm not making a case that that
was in fact Saddam.  Am just into the spirit of your question and your
observations.

> Cosmetic surgery notwithstanding.

Is cosmetic surgery that good -- as in to create a look-alike that looks
that real?  I know basically nothing about cosmetic surgery.  Maybe it's
possible.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> >It looks like an asylum.  Do you need a key to get in or to get out?
>
>A key or a code or a door-open signal from inside. You bet. That's what
>secure means.       --Bethany

I think they should hire Queen Latifah do be the door person.   Big set of
keys on a huge iron ring.  "If you're good to Mama, Mama's good to you."


    --NET#1

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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Is the pool big enough for <real> swimming?

Oh yes.

>I'm suddenly remembering some condos across the river.  I'm not sure
>where they were -- as in what across the river means.  My Kville
>geography has faded.  But when I was running or cycling on Cherokee
>Blvd, I'd sometimes look across the river at some condos on a bluff.
>They looked desirable.  (Why do I have it stuck in my head that somebody
>told me that Kenneth Curry lived in one of them?  After his house burned
>down in Sequoyia Hills.)

I looked at those years ago, and I have been to clubhouse parties there.
They are shoddy - very poorly built. And of course the neighborhood is
quite isolated from other residential areas. I don't know where K. Curry
lived after his house burned.

I thought of him this week, when I learned that I was about to get
screwed by Warren Buffett, who is going to buy Clayton Motor Homes for
$12.50 a share. (If my broker does not charge a commission on the sale, I
will break even - this on shares that recently sold for $19). I thought of
Kenneth because he is the only individual I know who bought a share of
BRKA (now $69,200 a share).

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:
>
>
>>It is my opinion that you can experience and
>>experience life, but until you stop and regroup
>>it you don't know what in the h*** you got out
>>of it.  Examining your life, in small segments or
>>large, sooner or later, is regrouping.  An absolute
>>necessity.
>>
>
> I don't know that examing one's past is a necessity, but I enjoy having
> pictures because I enjoy my memories and the pictures remind me of
> things.  Like some kinds of music.  I love some music for what it is.  I
> like to listen to other music for the memories evoked.  And I *like* my
> memories.


        It helps me discover what is important to me.  For example, a
sense of belonging in a place is important.  That's why I
like where I work so much; I walked into the building and
felt I belonged there.  On the other hand, I've discovered
how little my family (as in parents and siblings) actually
means to me.  I find it harder and harder to even think
about them from one week to the next.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 07:28 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > It is my opinion that you can experience and
> > experience life, but until you stop and regroup
> > it you don't know what in the h*** you got out
> > of it.  Examining your life, in small segments or
> > large, sooner or later, is regrouping.  An absolute
> > necessity.
>
>I don't know that examing one's past is a necessity, but I enjoy having
>pictures because I enjoy my memories and the pictures remind me of
>things.  Like some kinds of music.  I love some music for what it is.  I
>like to listen to other music for the memories evoked.  And I *like* my
>memories.

Yes, me, too. Photo albums are treasures.

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:

> Also not discussing the war here (and not having any idea whether that
> was or wasn't Saddam), but I've been wondering about the look-alikes
> ever since I first heard about them way back whenever.  Can there really
> be people who look *that* much alike?  I feel sure that the answer is
> yes because there have been stories about the Saddam look-alikes for
> years, and I am not doubting the word of the many people in positions to
> observe such things.  Still, it seems so odd to me.


        For some reason I think the look-alikes are for the benefit
of westerners, to whom "all those people look alike anyway."


>

>
>>Cosmetic surgery notwithstanding.
>>
>
> Is cosmetic surgery that good -- as in to create a look-alike that looks
> that real?  I know basically nothing about cosmetic surgery.  Maybe it's
> possible.


        Sure.  Look at Michael Jackson and Joan Rivers.  They've used
cosmetic surgery to make themselves look totally different.
  Certainly somebody with a strong resemblance could be
touched up with a nose job or nip and tuck.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 07:39 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
> > I'm a retired person that wouldn't consider a condo.  I don't want to
>share
> > walls with neighbors.  I don't want the condo fee to go up depending
>on the
> > vote of my neighbors.  I don't want to live in that kind of density.
>Not
> > that it is much of an issue.  Most important thing is that I want to
>live
> > in Bar Harbor and we have almost no condos here.
> >
> >
> >     --bonniev
>
>Bar Harbor sounds great.  Hope I get
>to see it someday.

Doris, I wish you and Gene would come in July.

Betty

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> > Most important thing is that I want to live
> > in Bar Harbor and we have almost no condos here.
> >     --bonniev
>
>Bar Harbor sounds great.  Hope I get
>to see it someday.
>       - D. M.

We're having a party here on July 4th and 5th.  You'all come!


    --bonniev

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Betty wrote:

> >Alyce's attitude and my reflections about it all are changing some of my
> >views toward life and death.  That's all I'll say now about it.  Maybe
> >more later if it seems appropriate.
> .
> Well, I hope you are changing your attitude.  I wanted to <slap> you last
> week when you were talking about not caring but I figured you were going to
> be you and I would save my energy.

What?  Not caring about what?

--
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Brian Williams . . MSNBC . .talking about and
showing a film of  my son at the helm of his plane 
. . Gene yelling "come here!" . . me in the kitchen 
stirring the mushroom soup . . me running into the 
family room . . the TV showing an ad.

P. S.  Last week our daughter caught a picture
of him delivering food for Iraqis.

             - D. M.

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At 08:35 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>:.-)
>>
>>Virupaksha Mokshagundam knows that the extra dot is a tear.
>>NET#2
>
>Is that what your extra dot has been all along?
>.
>
>    --NET#1

I knew you would understand!   HUGZ

NET#2

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>Yes, me, too. Photo albums are treasures.
>Betty

I agree mostly.  But I still don't want a digital camera.  In fact, that's
one of the reasons I don't want a digital.  You can't paste the pictures in
an album.


    --bonniev

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At 07:36 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Is cosmetic surgery that good -- as in to create a look-alike that looks
>that real?  I know basically nothing about cosmetic surgery.  Maybe it's
>possible.

Of course it is.  Wasn't one of his son's look a-likes just  detained some
place?

NET#2

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Too Late
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My brother used to tell stories of how during Gulf I, they
would all get these letters from family and friends saying
how they'd been spotted on TV.  It was an unending source of
amusement for them.  I think they do all look alike mostly.

Doris Markland wrote:

> Brian Williams . . MSNBC . .talking about and
> showing a film of  my son at the helm of his plane
> . . Gene yelling "come here!" . . me in the kitchen
> stirring the mushroom soup . . me running into the
> family room . . the TV showing an ad.
>
> P. S.  Last week our daughter caught a picture
> of him delivering food for Iraqis.
>
>              - D. M.
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 08:37 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>> >It looks like an asylum.  Do you need a key to get in or to get out?
>>
>>A key or a code or a door-open signal from inside. You bet. That's what
>>secure means.       --Bethany
>
>I think they should hire Queen Latifah do be the door person.   Big set of
>keys on a huge iron ring.  "If you're good to Mama, Mama's good to you."
>
>
>    --NET#1

Didn't she look great at the awards? I really like her.

NET#2

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This is embarrassing.  Didn't realize I wrote
about this twice.  Thought I had sent it to
another source.  Oh well.

          - D. M.


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P. S.  Last week our daughter caught a picture
of him delivering food for Iraqis.

             - D. M.

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>>I think they should hire Queen Latifah do be the door person.   Big set of
>>keys on a huge iron ring.  "If you're good to Mama, Mama's good to you."
>>    --NET#1
>
>Didn't she look great at the awards? I really like her.
>NET#2

She did look great.  And she had the nerve to perform live when actually it
should have been the washed out blonde doing that song.  "Let's all stroke
together like the Princeton Crew.  When you're strokin' Mama, Mama's
strokin' you."


    --NET#1

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At 07:37 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
        It helps me discover what is important to me.  For example, a
>sense of belonging in a place is important.  That's why I
>like where I work so much; I walked into the building and
>felt I belonged there.  On the other hand, I've discovered
>how little my family (as in parents and siblings) actually
>means to me.  I find it harder and harder to even think
>about them from one week to the next.

This makes me feel better.  My siblings don't know me any more. I made my
SIL cry when I told her that I didn't know her either.  I don't.  Months
will go by and I don't think about them but I don't really know them.
Everyone left me.  .............................................

.......................................................

NET#2

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At 08:42 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>> > Most important thing is that I want to live
>> > in Bar Harbor and we have almost no condos here.
>> >     --bonniev
>>
>>Bar Harbor sounds great.  Hope I get
>>to see it someday.
>>       - D. M.
>
>We're having a party here on July 4th and 5th.  You'all come!
>
>
>    --bonniev

OhMyGod.  Will there be t-shirts?

NET#2

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At 07:44 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > >Alyce's attitude and my reflections about it all are changing some of my
> > >views toward life and death.  That's all I'll say now about it.  Maybe
> > >more later if it seems appropriate.
> > .
> > Well, I hope you are changing your attitude.  I wanted to <slap> you last
> > week when you were talking about not caring but I figured you were going to
> > be you and I would save my energy.
>
>What?  Not caring about what?
.
About how long you lived or not.

NET#2

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Alyce's attitude and my reflections about it all are changing some of my
> >views toward life and death.  That's all I'll say now about it.  Maybe
> >more later if it seems appropriate.    -- Natalie
>
> Oh good.   Are you going to quit smoking and start getting treatment for
> your osteoporosis?

I can see that what I wrote is being totally misinterpreted.  The reason
I didn't want to say more was that I don't know exactly how to put it
and I know that Alyce must have all kinds of thoughts and emotions
swirling around right now.  I was afraid that if I tried to explain what
I'm talking about, it might come across as somehow trivializing the
enormity of Alyce's situation.  And I don't mean that at all.  I have
sat at on my decklet crying and railing against the gods, etc.

What I was talking about at the >> above is acceptance of death, not
avoidance.  Although I've joked in discussions of things like
retirement/investment or what to do with stuff I have about how
convenient it would be to know when you were going to die, I've always
thought that I did not want to know -- that if I had a terminal illness,
I would not want a prognosis that came anywhere close to pinpointing
it.  Now I'm not so sure of that.  There's something almost peaceful
seeming about being able to plan.  I'm moving away from Dylan Thomas.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 07:49 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
>Brian Williams . . MSNBC . .talking about and
>showing a film of  my son at the helm of his plane
>. . Gene yelling "come here!" . . me in the kitchen
>stirring the mushroom soup . . me running into the
>family room . . the TV showing an ad.
>
>P. S.  Last week our daughter caught a picture
>of him delivering food for Iraqis.
>
>              - D. M.

Doris, how exhausting this must be.  I would be watching 24/7. I hope he
gets home soon.

NET#2

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>>We're having a party here on July 4th and 5th.  You'all come!
>
>OhMyGod.  Will there be t-shirts?
>NET#2

Mem is waiting for inspiration.   Do something inspiring, Bad Betty, my
luscious, curvaceous non evil triplet.


    --NET#1

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>
> But wouldn't Saddam be acting sort of <odd> right now in any case --
> like <protesting too much>?  Again -- I'm not making a case that that
> was in fact Saddam.  Am just into the spirit of your question and your
> observations.
>
> > Cosmetic surgery notwithstanding.
>
> Is cosmetic surgery that good -- as in to create a look-alike that
looks
> that real?  I know basically nothing about cosmetic surgery.  Maybe
it's
> possible.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I think it's possible.  But I think it isn't perfect.
Still question the chin line.

I agree Sadaam could be influenced by current
events in whatever show he could be making
now, but I still have a feeling it wasn't him.

             - D. M.

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bonniev wrote:

>  I don't want the condo fee to go up depending on the
> vote of my neighbors.

This is one of my main reasons for being against something like that,
especially in retirement.  I don't like committing myself to fees.  I
think I might have mentioned before a house I looked at a couple of
years ago that I liked some things about very much, but it was in a
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> >
> >Bar Harbor sounds great.  Hope I get
> >to see it someday.
>
> Doris, I wish you and Gene would come in July.
>
> Betty

Thank you.  That would be fun.

         - D. M.

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At 08:44 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>Yes, me, too. Photo albums are treasures.
>>Betty
>
>I agree mostly.  But I still don't want a digital camera.  In fact, that's
>one of the reasons I don't want a digital.  You can't paste the pictures in
>an album.

You can print the photos you want.  They have excellent and inexpensive
printers now.

NET#2

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It's okay!

At 07:53 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
>This is embarrassing.  Didn't realize I wrote
>about this twice.  Thought I had sent it to
>another source.  Oh well.
>
>           - D. M.
>
>
>Brian Williams . . MSNBC . .talking about and
>showing a film of  my son at the helm of his plane
>. . Gene yelling "come here!" . . me in the kitchen
>stirring the mushroom soup . . me running into the
>family room . . the TV showing an ad.
>
>P. S.  Last week our daughter caught a picture
>of him delivering food for Iraqis.
>
>              - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > It supposedly has pine floors under the carpet.  But my guess is that
> > they may not be in good condition.  If they were, why did the person
> put
> > the carpet down on top of them?
>
> Because that's what everyone was doing
> that year.  I know.  It's like the way
> Pergo came in and people switched to it.

This house has been completely redone.  The carpet is brand-new.

> The cost of taking up carpet and sanding and
> putting a good finish on wood floors would not
> be prohibitive, proving the floors were in
> reasonably good condition.  IMO.

I had that done in my old house when turning it into a rental house.
But it didn't seem so bad to do that since the carpet was very old and
needed replacing.

> Or, cheaper still, perhaps, putting in new
> modern carpet.

It's new.  There's nothing about it that suggests a need for replacement
except for the fact that Spencer would have it dirty instantly and that
I have rugs I want to use and that I prefer hardwood floors with rugs.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Betty wrote:

> At 07:37 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>        It helps me discover what is important to me.  For example, a
>
>> sense of belonging in a place is important.  That's why I
>> like where I work so much; I walked into the building and
>> felt I belonged there.  On the other hand, I've discovered
>> how little my family (as in parents and siblings) actually
>> means to me.  I find it harder and harder to even think
>> about them from one week to the next.
>
>
> This makes me feel better.  My siblings don't know me any more. I made my
> SIL cry when I told her that I didn't know her either.  I don't.  Months
> will go by and I don't think about them but I don't really know them.
> Everyone left me.  .............................................
>
> .......................................................


        She sounds like a sad-sack.  It's better you don't.


> NET#2


        When is this A.B. chick going to go away and return B.B.?




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> Brian Williams on MSNBC talking about
> Special Ops as we turn the TV on, and
> then the camera showing a pilot getting
> up out of his seat in the cockpit, and
> Gene yelling "There's Tom!" . . . .
> and I'm out in the kitchen stirring the soup
> and when I run into the family room they're
> showing an ad!

My gosh!  You need to keep the vcr on record all the time!  Seriously,
that must have been majorly frustrating but also a great feeling in that
Gene was watching at that moment.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> I would not want a prognosis that came anywhere close to pinpointing
> it.  Now I'm not so sure of that.  There's something almost peaceful
> seeming about being able to plan.  I'm moving away from Dylan Thomas.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I have lost all my family members.  I consider
myself fortunate that none of them left suddenly.
Each one was able to make his plans, to interact
and to enjoy the family or whatever they wanted
to enjoy, and to leave with things in place and
a mind at peace.  I think I'd prefer that.

             - D. M.

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At 08:55 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>>We're having a party here on July 4th and 5th.  You'all come!
>>
>>OhMyGod.  Will there be t-shirts?
>>NET#2
>
>Mem is waiting for inspiration.   Do something inspiring, Bad Betty, my
>luscious, curvaceous non evil triplet.
>
>
>    --NET#1

If only I were Asian, dark, mysterious, young.  Sorry, I'm no help at
all.  Mem is "the man".  He will produce.

NET#2

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At 07:57 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>bonniev wrote:
>
> >  I don't want the condo fee to go up depending on the
> > vote of my neighbors.
>
>This is one of my main reasons for being against something like that,
>especially in retirement.  I don't like committing myself to fees.  I
>think I might have mentioned before a house I looked at a couple of
>years ago that I liked some things about very much, but it was in a
>neighborhood that had an association fee of $50 a month.  I kept
>thinking, "What might it be in ten years or twenty years?"  I just
>didn't want to get involved in fee-paying.

But you don't have to spend $30,000 for a new roof, paint, etc. either.

NET#2

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At 08:04 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
> > >
> > >Bar Harbor sounds great.  Hope I get
> > >to see it someday.
> >
> > Doris, I wish you and Gene would come in July.
> >
> > Betty
>
>Thank you.  That would be fun.

Do you think it may be a possibility?  That would be exciting.  There is
still room at the Inn.

NET#2

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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

> made of ribbon and maybe ivory (or maybe early celluloid). Someone asked
> if she could have it and I said yes, but then I lost it. Was this person
> you? Because the  bookmark just resurfaced in our "beginning to pack
> things up" thing that is going on here.

Yes!  It was me.

I would be very very happy to receive it.  How about if I send a
self-addressed envelope, to save effort on your or someone else's part?

YaY

Ann

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At 08:03 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
>>At 07:37 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>        It helps me discover what is important to me.  For example, a
>>
>>>sense of belonging in a place is important.  That's why I
>>>like where I work so much; I walked into the building and
>>>felt I belonged there.  On the other hand, I've discovered
>>>how little my family (as in parents and siblings) actually
>>>means to me.  I find it harder and harder to even think
>>>about them from one week to the next.
>>
>>
>>This makes me feel better.  My siblings don't know me any more. I made my
>>SIL cry when I told her that I didn't know her either.  I don't.  Months
>>will go by and I don't think about them but I don't really know them.
>>Everyone left me.  .............................................
>>
>>.......................................................
>
>
>        She sounds like a sad-sack.  It's better you don't.

She is a mess.



>>NET#2
>
>
>        When is this A.B. chick going to go away and return B.B.?

Your wish is my command!

BB

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>>Thank you.  That would be fun.
>
>Do you think it may be a possibility?  That would be exciting.  There is
>still room at the Inn.        --NET#2

Yup.   Look here: http://www.hearthsideinn.com/guestrooms.html    The Duke
of Wellington room is still available.  You would be right down the hall
from Betty and Larry and from Lisa and Queen LaTina.   Nearest airport is
Bangor.   You'all come.


    --NET#1

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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:

>I think they should hire Queen Latifah do be the door person.   Big set of
>keys on a huge iron ring.  "If you're good to Mama, Mama's good to you."

I know just the person - Donna, our parking lot manager downstairs. On
weekends, she is kind of a dorm mother to residents. So that we will have
a place to park when we come home on weeknd nights, we tell her our
schedules.

One way the Old City is changing is that it appears to be falling prey to
mechanization. All Right parking will lose their contract in Dec.
Consequently, they don't care much what happens downstairs. They are
putting in mechanized park-pay thingama jigs and they are saying they will
get rid of all attendants. I doubt that will happen - Kyle, who is part
owner of the lot, will not take kindly to suddenly losing all his tenants
because we cannot park downstairs.

I think I can protect my reserved spot long enough to get the hell out of
Dodge. The new arrangement is supposed to begin on April 17.

And Donna is wisely looking after herself and considering an offer
elsewhere.

I am not completely amused.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I plan to have a dog. I will therefore either find a condo that allows
> dogs (the Pembroke does) or I will delay having a dog until after the

My point wasn't about their not being allowed.  Plenty of people keep
dogs in condos/apartments.  But I wouldn't want to.  I think a dog needs
a yard.

> early part of my retirement (when I will be elsewhere for 1-3 years) -

Where are you going to be those 1-3 years?

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >It looks like a school.  But surely Bethany doesn't want 3100 square
> >feet, even if she brings Maria home to live with her.
>
> Sounds great to me. I find space empowering.

Don't forget utility bills in your figuring.  Oops -- just remembered --
those are negligible in Kville.  Will Maria have a room of her own?

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> >Thank you.  That would be fun.
>
> Do you think it may be a possibility?  That would be exciting.  There
is
> still room at the Inn.
>
> NET#2

Wait.  Something about your wording.
Is this a religious event?

          - D. M.

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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:

>>This is one of my main reasons for being against something like that,
>>especially in retirement.  I don't like committing myself to fees.  I
>>think I might have mentioned before a house I looked at a couple of
>>years ago that I liked some things about very much, but it was in a
>>neighborhood that had an association fee of $50 a month.  I kept
>>thinking, "What might it be in ten years or twenty years?"  I just
>>didn't want to get involved in fee-paying.
>
>But you don't have to spend $30,000 for a new roof, paint, etc. either.

Excellent point. Paying for a new roof is one of my least favorite
activities.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I looked at those years ago, and I have been to clubhouse parties there.
> They are shoddy - very poorly built. And of course the neighborhood is
> quite isolated from other residential areas. I don't know where K. Curry
> lived after his house burned.

How is the neighborhood isolated?  As in how do you get to those
condos?  As I said earlier, my memory of Kville geography is hazy.  I
can't think where the river goes at that point or where its other side
would be.

>  I thought of
> Kenneth because he is the only individual I know who bought a share of
> BRKA (now $69,200 a share).

My very first class at UT was under KC.  I can't remember what else I
was taking that quarter -- just remember that his seminar was the first
class I attended.

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At 08:27 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
> > >Thank you.  That would be fun.
> >
> > Do you think it may be a possibility?  That would be exciting.  There
>is
> > still room at the Inn.
> >
> > NET#2
>
>Wait.  Something about your wording.
>Is this a religious event?
>
>           - D. M.

We can make it whatever you want. It will be my second coming.

BB

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bonniev wrote:

> One of those condos is available.  Cherokee Bluffs I think is the name of
> the development.  The real estate blurb said the condo was 25 years
> old.   It sure doesn't seem that long ago that I remember watching them
> rise on the ridge.

I feel <bonded> with you, Bonniemae, for your remembering them.  Bethany
also knows them, of course, but she has lived there many years and still
lives there.  My bonding feeling is like knowing for sure that you and I
saw each other often in the lounge on the 12th floor of McClung or at
the L&N or wherever, even though we didn't know it then -- as in we
didn't know when we saw each other then that we would be friends now in
a context totally unrelated to then.

I seriously do find life quite fascinating.

Wait -- those condos have gotta be more than 25 years old, though
"Cherokee Bluffs" does sound right.  I was in Knoxville Aug. '74 to Aug.
'76.  They've gotta be at least 27 years old.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Bar Harbor sounds great.  Hope I get
> to see it someday.

How about July 4, 2003?

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > Is cosmetic surgery that good -- as in to create a look-alike that looks
> > that real?  I know basically nothing about cosmetic surgery.  Maybe it's
> > possible.
>
>         Sure.  Look at Michael Jackson and Joan Rivers.  They've used
> cosmetic surgery to make themselves look totally different.

I don't know what either of them looks/looked like, but I do know that
cosmetic surgery can make somebody look different.

>   Certainly somebody with a strong resemblance could be
> touched up with a nose job or nip and tuck.

It was the looking like a twin that I wondered about.  I guess it's not
an unreasonable thought.

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bonniev wrote:

> >Bar Harbor sounds great.  Hope I get
> >to see it someday.
> >       - D. M.
>
> We're having a party here on July 4th and 5th.  You'all come!

I can think of no acceptable reason for Doris and Gene not to come to
Acadiafest.

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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>My point wasn't about their not being allowed.  Plenty of people keep
>dogs in condos/apartments.  But I wouldn't want to.  I think a dog needs
>a yard.

I agree. Many condos have yards. And my dog will also have access to a
significant portion of the 200 acres of Penrose Farm.

>> early part of my retirement (when I will be elsewhere for 1-3 years) -

>Where are you going to be those 1-3 years?

I have not made firm plans yet - I'll be reporting on that before too
long.

Bethany

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At 06:40 PM 4/4/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-04 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 06:12 PM 4/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > >02003-04-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > >> On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Excuse me, what's "BB" mean?
> > >>
> > >> B*TCH B*TCH
> > >
> > >Is this an invitation for a b*tch-off?
> >
> > She wins hands down. She is my favorite bitch.
>
>Except for one question:
>
>WHO AXED YOU?


:.........

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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Sounds great to me. I find space empowering.
>
>Don't forget utility bills in your figuring.  Oops -- just remembered --
>those are negligible in Kville.  Will Maria have a room of her own?

Some people in Knoxville have utility bills much higher than mine - one
must choose residences wisely to avoid them. I think I know what to look
for.

A room of her own? She has access to 100 acres at PF right now. Why would
she give that up for a few square feet???

Bethany

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Yes, me, too. Photo albums are treasures.
> >Betty
>
> I agree mostly.  But I still don't want a digital camera.  In fact, that's
> one of the reasons I don't want a digital.  You can't paste the pictures in
> an album.

I can certainly understand why somebody doesn't want a digital camera.
I like mine because I like showing pictures to Words-L mainly -- like
asking advice on landscaping, etc.  But I really do think that it's not
an ideal situation for passing picture albums down to future
generations.  If I had children, I would want more <conventional>
pictures.  But then if I had children, I would also want them to be
e-mailing me pictures of their children, etc.

Re our high-tech world, I did ditch the cell phone last month.  Did I
call Brad from the coast?  I'm suddenly blank on that.  I think I did.
If so, that was the last use of my cell phone before I zapped it.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Wait -- those condos have gotta be more than 25 years old, though
>"Cherokee Bluffs" does sound right.  I was in Knoxville Aug. '74 to Aug.
>'76.  They've gotta be at least 27 years old.

Right. They were here when I arrived in 1974.

Bethany

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> >Special Ops as we turn the TV on, and
> >then the camera showing a pilot getting
> >up out of his seat in the cockpit, and
> >Gene yelling "There's Tom!" . . . .
> >                - D. M.
>
> Was it really truly him??!!   How exciting!
>
>
>     --bonniev
>
Ah, I don't know.  I saw a Brian Williams clip
later and didn't see what I thought was Tom.
Maybe Gene saw what he wanted to see.  On
the other hand, I know that NBC cameras flew
with Tom recently and that Tom was interviewed
by Miklachevsky (or whatever that name is on NBC).
They said they might use the footage on Dateline.

              - D. M.

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> At 07:37 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         It helps me discover what is important to me.  For example, a
> >sense of belonging in a place is important.  That's why I
> >like where I work so much; I walked into the building and
> >felt I belonged there.  On the other hand, I've discovered
> >how little my family (as in parents and siblings) actually
> >means to me.  I find it harder and harder to even think
> >about them from one week to the next.

I had discerned this and am sorry, but it doesn't
really matter.  Ships passing in the night?  Or was
it more than that?  I'm sure you got something out
of those relationships.  We all learn from each other.
That's what it's all about.  But please pardon my
intrusion.

                  - D. M.

                    - D. M.
>
> This makes me feel better.  My siblings don't know me any more. I made
my
> SIL cry when I told her that I didn't know her either.  I don't.
Months
> will go by and I don't think about them but I don't really know them.
> Everyone left me.  .............................................
>
> .......................................................
>
> NET#2
>

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02003-04-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> It helps me discover what is important to me.  For example,
> a sense of belonging in a place is important.  That's why I
> like where I work so much; I walked into the building and
> felt I belonged there.  On the other hand, I've discovered
> how little my family (as in parents and siblings) actually
> means to me.  I find it harder and harder to even think
> about them from one week to the next.

Is this the first "segment" of your life when you have been
significantly far away? Because this is exactly what I used
to think. Then I would visit home and find I had just created
devils with my own mind.

Anyway, I am signing off now--there are some disgusting drunks
logged on at the moment. Every experienced person knows you
should get the hell out if there's a bunch of drunk old women
around ... knowmsain

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>Wait -- those condos have gotta be more than 25 years old, though
>"Cherokee Bluffs" does sound right.  I was in Knoxville Aug. '74 to Aug.
>'76.  They've gotta be at least 27 years old.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

They were probably built in stages and the one now for sale was built in a
later stage.


    --bonniev

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Doris Markland wrote:

>>At 07:37 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>        It helps me discover what is important to me.  For example, a
>>
>>>sense of belonging in a place is important.  That's why I
>>>like where I work so much; I walked into the building and
>>>felt I belonged there.  On the other hand, I've discovered
>>>how little my family (as in parents and siblings) actually
>>>means to me.  I find it harder and harder to even think
>>>about them from one week to the next.
>>>
>
> I had discerned this and am sorry, but it doesn't
> really matter.  Ships passing in the night?  Or was
> it more than that?  I'm sure you got something out
> of those relationships.  We all learn from each other.
> That's what it's all about.  But please pardon my
> intrusion.


        I don't feel sorry.

        My brother and sister are 10 months apart, so they grew up a
lot like twins and I was mostly an outsider. To be blunt,
they acted pretty shitty towards me most of the time and
continue to (they've both completely forgotten Ana's
birthday for her entire life, for example).  I think I'll be
relieved when I'm in Natalie's situation and can completely
write them off without having to worry about hurting my
parents' feelings any longer.  I've tried to care about
them, but I find I really don't.  I'd love for the trip this
summer to be my last, but I'll probably be pressured into a
few more.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> >
> >Wait.  Something about your wording.
> >Is this a religious event?
> >
> >           - D. M.
>
> We can make it whatever you want. It will be my second coming.
>
> BB

Multi-orgasmic, eh?  But you are
changing the subject.

            - D. M.

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Betty wrote:
> >Is cosmetic surgery that good -- as in to create a look-alike that looks
> >that real?  I know basically nothing about cosmetic surgery.  Maybe it's
> >possible.
>
> Of course it is.  Wasn't one of his son's look a-likes just  detained some
> place?

I don't know.  But I've had the feeling that Uday might have been killed
that first night.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>How is the neighborhood isolated?  As in how do you get to those
>condos?  As I said earlier, my memory of Kville geography is hazy.  I
>can't think where the river goes at that point or where its other side
>would be.

You can get there only from Alcoa Hwy (near the UT hospital) or John
Sevier Hwy. Alcoa Hwy is a nightmare several hours a day. And the condos
are not near any other residential neighborhoods.

Bethany

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At 08:49 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
> > >
> > >Wait.  Something about your wording.
> > >Is this a religious event?
> > >
> > >           - D. M.
> >
> > We can make it whatever you want. It will be my second coming.
> >
> > BB
>
>Multi-orgasmic, eh?  But you are
>changing the subject.

Doris! Get a grip.  Are you posting under the influence, too?

BB

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> At 08:49 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
> > > >
> > > >Wait.  Something about your wording.
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> > > >
> > > >           - D. M.
> > >
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> > >
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> >
> >Multi-orgasmic, eh?  But you are
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>
> Doris! Get a grip.  Are you posting under the influence, too?
>
> BB
>
Too?  Too?

    - D. M.

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At 08:45 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Re our high-tech world, I did ditch the cell phone last month.  Did I
>call Brad from the coast?  I'm suddenly blank on that.  I think I did.
>If so, that was the last use of my cell phone before I zapped it.

I called to delete mine and they offered me a deal I couldn't refuse.  I
now pay $10 a month for 50  local minutes, which is more than I could ever
use. I have a phone card for long distance, which I use to call wordslers
and siblings that I think about every few months.

Betty

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I had never heard of this until a few weeks ago, when a friend of mine,
initially misdiagnosed with food poisoning, had a serious case of it.

Then last week one of my UT colleagues very nearly died of it. If the
surgeon has not opted for 2 a.m. surgery - instead of waiting until
morning - he would almost certainly not be with us. The surgeon removed
more than 6 feet of his small intestine.

It is described as being like a heart attack of the small intestine. One
medical description says, "A sudden, complete obstruction of the superior
mesenteric artery, a major branch of the abdominal aorta that supplies a
large part of the intestine, is an emergency. A person with such an
obstruction becomes seriously ill and has severe abdominal pain.
Initially, vomiting and urgent bowel movements usually occur. ..."

I am about to schedule my annual physical - I am adding a stress test and
some other tests ... it's been decades since I had a stress test.

Bethany

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02003-04-05 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> Kansas is kicking butt! I hope the next game is better .
>
> NET#2
>
> Samant, in case you couldn't figure it out.  Brad is Net Zero.  Duh

Excellent save, Clark. Maybe not as excellent for Brad,
but pretty good.

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Betty wrote:
>
> At 07:37 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
....
> >  On the other hand, I've discovered
> >how little my family (as in parents and siblings) actually
> >means to me.  I find it harder and harder to even think
> >about them from one week to the next.
>
> This makes me feel better.  My siblings don't know me any more. I made my
> SIL cry when I told her that I didn't know her either.  I don't.  Months
> will go by and I don't think about them but I don't really know them.

Ok, I'm feeling very muddle-brained tonight and might be misreading
things.  I hope I'm not, though, from the selfish perspective of feeling
less mutant.  I sincerely suffer over my lack of a sibling to like and
feel close to.  I wouldn't feel that way if I were an only child.  Iow,
I don't mean to suggest that one has to have siblings.  But the fact is
that I do have a sibling and I find him quite obnoxious.  I have to go
to Huntsville next weekend (unless their schedule has changed since we
last discussed the plan), which I think I've already mentioned -- to go
through stuff that ended up at their house.  I am not looking forward to
it, but I am looking forward to the thought that I may never have to go
there again for the rest of my life.

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Betty wrote:

> > > Well, I hope you are changing your attitude.  I wanted to <slap> you last
> > > week when you were talking about not caring but I figured you were going to
> > > be you and I would save my energy.
> >
> >What?  Not caring about what?
> .
> About how long you lived or not.

I don't care.  I will go gently into that good night without railing
against the dying of the light.

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At 09:01 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-05 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 06:47 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >02003-04-05 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > >>
> > >>  So, 4-1=
> > >>    #2
> > >
> > >Thank you, Betty, that will be all.
> >
> > Thank you.  I was wondering how I was going to get out of this.  Have you
> > finished the photos yet?
>
>No, I just came back from lunch.
>
> >  :.-)
> >
> > I remain most sincerely yours,
> > Betty
>
>That's a pretty nice emoticon for a "math-challenged" person!

Chemistry was my favorite subject.

Betty

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > >Bar Harbor sounds great.  Hope I get
> > >to see it someday.
> >
> > Doris, I wish you and Gene would come in July.
> >
> > Betty
>
> Thank you.  That would be fun.

As I think I said earlier (but not necessarily earlier in the flow of
mail), why not?  You say you'd like to see BH someday.  What better day
than with a bunch of Wordslers?

For those of you who haven't met Gene -- he's great.  His not
participating on the list is clearly not an anti-list stance.  He did
not seem at all disapproving of us.

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Betty wrote:

> You can print the photos you want.  They have excellent and inexpensive
> printers now.

My attempts at printing digital pictures have been sad.  But I realize
that people with better printers and better know-how might have better
results.

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At 09:05 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Ok, I'm feeling very muddle-brained tonight and might be misreading
>things.  I hope I'm not, though, from the selfish perspective of feeling
>less mutant.  I sincerely suffer over my lack of a sibling to like and
>feel close to.  I wouldn't feel that way if I were an only child.  Iow,
>I don't mean to suggest that one has to have siblings.  But the fact is
>that I do have a sibling and I find him quite obnoxious.  I have to go
>to Huntsville next weekend (unless their schedule has changed since we
>last discussed the plan), which I think I've already mentioned -- to go
>through stuff that ended up at their house.  I am not looking forward to
>it, but I am looking forward to the thought that I may never have to go
>there again for the rest of my life.

He is obnoxious but he is still your brother.

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> that I do have a sibling and I find him quite obnoxious.  I have to go
> to Huntsville next weekend (unless their schedule has changed since we
> last discussed the plan), which I think I've already mentioned -- to
go
> through stuff that ended up at their house.  I am not looking forward
to
> it, but I am looking forward to the thought that I may never have to
go
> there again for the rest of my life.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I am having so much trouble relating to what more
than one of you is saying.  I did not think like my
brother nor my sister.  We were not the same in our
politics at all, nor in many of our opinions.  Yet we
loved each other so much, and made efforts through
the years to spend time together.  We visited in each
other's homes and we flew to meet half way for
holidays or vacations.  And we laughed and joked and
cried together.  I just don't get family members not
appreciating each other.  Maybe I was just lucky.

                  - D. M.

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02003-04-05 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> I don't know.  But I've had the feeling that Uday might have been killed
> that first night.

That's one mystery ... how's his name "Uday"? Uday's an Indian name
as far as I know. Not that I am so interested that I want to pursue
this.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I have lost all my family members.  I consider
> myself fortunate that none of them left suddenly.
> Each one was able to make his plans, to interact
> and to enjoy the family or whatever they wanted
> to enjoy, and to leave with things in place and
> a mind at peace.  I think I'd prefer that.

Yes.  This is the big change in my attitude.  Neither of my parents left
exactly suddenly, but in both cases (though in different ways) they were
not the people they had been.  They were both "ready to go" in the sense
that their lives were no longer satisfying, but they were not in the
condition to plan, interact normally, etc.  I think I prefer Alyce's
situation.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:
>
>
>>>>Bar Harbor sounds great.  Hope I get
>>>>to see it someday.
>>>>
>>>Doris, I wish you and Gene would come in July.
>>>
>>>Betty
>>>
>>Thank you.  That would be fun.
>>
>
> As I think I said earlier (but not necessarily earlier in the flow of
> mail), why not?  You say you'd like to see BH someday.  What better day
> than with a bunch of Wordslers?
>
> For those of you who haven't met Gene -- he's great.  His not
> participating on the list is clearly not an anti-list stance.  He did
> not seem at all disapproving of us.


        I think that's a character flaw.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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02003-04-05 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, alyce cresap wrote:
>
> > made of ribbon and maybe ivory (or maybe early celluloid). Someone asked
> > if she could have it and I said yes, but then I lost it. Was this person
> > you? Because the  bookmark just resurfaced in our "beginning to pack
> > things up" thing that is going on here.
>
> Yes!  It was me.
>
> I would be very very happy to receive it.  How about if I send a
> self-addressed envelope, to save effort on your or someone else's part?
>
> YaY

Alyce, are you sending people things? Did you find the *TIP*TOP*TAP*
mug by any chance?

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02003-04-05 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> Chemistry was my favorite subject.

Oh I can tell THAT from 2000 miles away ... huh huh huh huh

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> For those of you who haven't met Gene -- he's great.  His not
> participating on the list is clearly not an anti-list stance.  He did
> not seem at all disapproving of us.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Not at all.  He is just non-computer.
He won't sit still long enough to
even learn how to run a mouse.
He's out running the cows.

           - D. M.

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Tushar:
> Anyway, I am signing off now--there are some disgusting drunks
> logged on at the moment. Every experienced person knows you
> should get the hell out if there's a bunch of drunk old women
> around ... knowmsain

You are smart.  You are very smart.
To my ultimate surprise.

          - D. M.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>It helps me discover what is important to me.  For example,
>>a sense of belonging in a place is important.  That's why I
>>like where I work so much; I walked into the building and
>>felt I belonged there.  On the other hand, I've discovered
>>how little my family (as in parents and siblings) actually
>>means to me.  I find it harder and harder to even think
>>about them from one week to the next.
>>
>
> Is this the first "segment" of your life when you have been
> significantly far away? Because this is exactly what I used
> to think. Then I would visit home and find I had just created
> devils with my own mind.


        No, not really.  And when I visit home my feelings are confirmed.


> Anyway, I am signing off now--there are some disgusting drunks
> logged on at the moment. Every experienced person knows you
> should get the hell out if there's a bunch of drunk old women
> around ... knowmsain


        Indeed. I just realized I've been very productive all weekend
and have let another one slip away without having a few too
many.  Damn.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> This is embarrassing.  Didn't realize I wrote
> about this twice.  Thought I had sent it to
> another source.  Oh well.

I'm glad you did because your first sending didn't include the PS about
what your daughter saw (or if it did, I didn't see it).

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-04-05 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 06:47 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-04-05 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >>
> >>  So, 4-1=
> >>    #2
> >
> >Thank you, Betty, that will be all.
>
> Thank you.  I was wondering how I was going to get out of this.  Have you
> finished the photos yet?

No, I just came back from lunch.

>  :.-)
>
> I remain most sincerely yours,
> Betty

That's a pretty nice emoticon for a "math-challenged" person!

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At 09:21 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>Anyway, I am signing off now--there are some disgusting drunks
>logged on at the moment. Every experienced person knows you
>should get the hell out if there's a bunch of drunk old women
>around ... knowmsain

Tushy, come back you churlish common-kissing barnacle.

BB

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At 09:34 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Doris Markland wrote:
>
>>>At 07:37 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>        It helps me discover what is important to me.  For example, a
>>>
>>>>sense of belonging in a place is important.  That's why I
>>>>like where I work so much; I walked into the building and
>>>>felt I belonged there.  On the other hand, I've discovered
>>>>how little my family (as in parents and siblings) actually
>>>>means to me.  I find it harder and harder to even think
>>>>about them from one week to the next.
>>
>>I had discerned this and am sorry, but it doesn't
>>really matter.  Ships passing in the night?  Or was
>>it more than that?  I'm sure you got something out
>>of those relationships.  We all learn from each other.
>>That's what it's all about.  But please pardon my
>>intrusion.
>
>
>        I don't feel sorry.
>
>        My brother and sister are 10 months apart, so they grew up a
>lot like twins and I was mostly an outsider. To be blunt,
>they acted pretty shitty towards me most of the time and
>continue to (they've both completely forgotten Ana's
>birthday for her entire life, for example).  I think I'll be
>relieved when I'm in Natalie's situation and can completely
>write them off without having to worry about hurting my
>parents' feelings any longer.  I've tried to care about
>them, but I find I really don't.  I'd love for the trip this
>summer to be my last, but I'll probably be pressured into a
>few more.

With me I really DON'T know them.  My oldest sister is 16 years older and I
don't remember living with her for example. I must admit that when most of
them came for my daughter's wedding it felt good. It was family.  But it's
weddings or funerals now. Not much contact. My favorite sister died a
couple of years ago.

Betty

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02003-04-05 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> Tushar:
> > Anyway, I am signing off now--there are some disgusting drunks
> > logged on at the moment. Every experienced person knows you
> > should get the hell out if there's a bunch of drunk old women
> > around ... knowmsain
>
> You are smart.  You are very smart.
> To my ultimate surprise.

No, I am just old. Which may also surprise you, of course

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02003-04-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> My brother and sister are 10 months apart, so they grew up
> a lot like twins and I was mostly an outsider. To be blunt,
> they acted pretty shitty towards me most of the time and
> continue to (they've both completely forgotten Ana's
> birthday for her entire life, for example).

That would do it ... even I almost fell into the trap of not
taking my sister "seriously", for a while. And she is just
2 years younger. But realizing it prepared me for now, when
she has a husband and a daughter, etc.

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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I am the sour old woman in my Greek Class, I think.

They drive me crazy with their bullshit free association.

OK, here's an example:

The story goes, this Egyptian king was taken prisoner by a mad Persian
king.  To humiliate the prisoner, MPK tossed him in with a bunch of other
Egyptian nobles; first he paraded his daughter before him dressed like a
slave and forced to fetch water with other nobles' daughters.  EK saw what
was happening and kind of collapsed down to the ground, but said nothing.
the nobles though, seeing their daughters so demeaned, cried out and
wailed.  Then MPK brought EK's son past him, with sons of the nobles, led
like oxen with rops around their necks and bits in their mouth, going to
their death.  EK again kind of toppled; the nobles cried and wailed.

Then an old beggar happened by, and EK recognized him as an old buddy of
his, once rich and happy but now reduced to begging from the army.  EK
cried out and wailed.

This e-mail is too long.

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02003-04-05 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 09:21 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >Anyway, I am signing off now--there are some disgusting drunks
> >logged on at the moment. Every experienced person knows you
> >should get the hell out if there's a bunch of drunk old women
> >around ... knowmsain
>
> Tushy, come back you churlish common-kissing barnacle.

Well, I had to. My headache revved up a bit and I remembered the
reason why I have had it all day. Someone in the building decided
to have a "spiritual spring cleaning" and stank up the whole apartment
with the most hideous burning smell of god knows what leaves. "Out
of her damn mind" seems to be the opinion of the staff. It's a big
building, but that thing woke me up from several floors away with
a pre-built headache, and now that I remember it I am afraid to go
home (wondering, however, if it is really all that better to be stuck
with drunk old ladies cussing like bawling blasphemous boatswains).

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At 10:00 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> > My brother and sister are 10 months apart, so they grew up
> > a lot like twins and I was mostly an outsider. To be blunt,
> > they acted pretty shitty towards me most of the time and
> > continue to (they've both completely forgotten Ana's
> > birthday for her entire life, for example).
>
>That would do it ... even I almost fell into the trap of not
>taking my sister "seriously", for a while. And she is just
>2 years younger. But realizing it prepared me for now, when
>she has a husband and a daughter, etc.

I hope you remember her daughter's birthday!

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02003-04-05 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 10:00 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-04-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >> My brother and sister are 10 months apart, so they grew up
> >> a lot like twins and I was mostly an outsider. To be blunt,
> >> they acted pretty shitty towards me most of the time and
> >> continue to (they've both completely forgotten Ana's
> >> birthday for her entire life, for example).
> >
> >That would do it ... even I almost fell into the trap of not
> >taking my sister "seriously", for a while. And she is just
> >2 years younger. But realizing it prepared me for now, when
> >she has a husband and a daughter, etc.
>
> I hope you remember her daughter's birthday!

Well, I forgot. It was April 1. Or actually, March 31.

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02003-04-05 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> I am the sour old woman in my Greek Class, I think.
>
> They drive me crazy with their bullshit free association.
>
> OK, here's an example:
>
> The story goes, this Egyptian king was taken prisoner by a mad Persian
> king.  To humiliate the prisoner, MPK tossed him in with a bunch of other
> Egyptian nobles; first he paraded his daughter before him dressed like a
> slave and forced to fetch water with other nobles' daughters.  EK saw what
> was happening and kind of collapsed down to the ground, but said nothing.
> the nobles though, seeing their daughters so demeaned, cried out and
> wailed.  Then MPK brought EK's son past him, with sons of the nobles, led
> like oxen with rops around their necks and bits in their mouth, going to
> their death.  EK again kind of toppled; the nobles cried and wailed.
>
> Then an old beggar happened by, and EK recognized him as an old buddy of
> his, once rich and happy but now reduced to begging from the army.  EK
> cried out and wailed.
>
> This e-mail is too long.

That's the sourest post I have read for a while! Ugh!

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At 10:06 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-05 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 09:21 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >Anyway, I am signing off now--there are some disgusting drunks
> > >logged on at the moment. Every experienced person knows you
> > >should get the hell out if there's a bunch of drunk old women
> > >around ... knowmsain
> >
> > Tushy, come back you churlish common-kissing barnacle.
>
>Well, I had to. My headache revved up a bit and I remembered the
>reason why I have had it all day. Someone in the building decided
>to have a "spiritual spring cleaning" and stank up the whole apartment
>with the most hideous burning smell of god knows what leaves. "Out
>of her damn mind" seems to be the opinion of the staff. It's a big
>building, but that thing woke me up from several floors away with
>a pre-built headache, and now that I remember it I am afraid to go
>home (wondering, however, if it is really all that better to be stuck
>with drunk old ladies cussing like bawling blasphemous boatswains).

Dr. Borkin needs your input.

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It's Br. Paul against Sylvia!

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> amusement for them.  I think they do all look alike mostly.
>
> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Brian Williams . . MSNBC . .talking about and
> > showing a film of  my son at the helm of his plane
> > . . Gene yelling "come here!" . . me in the kitchen
> > stirring the mushroom soup . . me running into the
> > family room . . the TV showing an ad.
> >
> > P. S.  Last week our daughter caught a picture
> > of him delivering food for Iraqis.
> >
> >              - D. M.
> >

This latter reference was for sure though.  Sara's
husband is a Houston fireman, and he had sent Tom
fireman patches and asked if the crew would wear
them.  (Tom's crew last year in Afghanistan wore
patches from a firemen's crew in NYC).  So when
a Houston TV station caught some footage of
Tom's crew wearing Houston firemen patches
they ran a special on that crew delivering food
to Iraqis.  No other cargo plane has a crew
wearing those patches.

                    - D. M.
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>

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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> That's the sourest post I have read for a while! Ugh!

OK, here's the next part:

EK is asked to explain why he let his daughter be humiliated and his son
be humiliated and led off to die, without EK raising any lament, while he
cried out and wailed at seeing his old buddy reduced to begging from the
army.

EK says something like his private grief was too intense to express, but
crying is appropriate for a poor old man, once proud and rich and happy,
at the threshold of death, a pauper.

This seems reasonable to ME - end of story, expressing something like
there are losses too awful to be expressed conventionally.

So the teacher says Aristotle used this story as an example of how you
can't feel pity for people close to you, with whom you identify; pity is
for people at least once removed.

Then, I don't know how it happened,.

this post is too long.

Ann

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At 10:39 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:

>This latter reference was for sure though.  Sara's
>husband is a Houston fireman, and he had sent Tom
>fireman patches and asked if the crew would wear
>them.  (Tom's crew last year in Afghanistan wore
>patches from a firemen's crew in NYC).  So when
>a Houston TV station caught some footage of
>Tom's crew wearing Houston firemen patches
>they ran a special on that crew delivering food
>to Iraqis.  No other cargo plane has a crew
>wearing those patches.

Cool!

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> > That's the sourest post I have read for a while! Ugh!

Here's the sour part:

After listening to at least a half hour of people's theories about why EK
didn't cry at his children's abuse - theories like he didn't know what was
happening at first, he was numb; or he was pretending so that the mad king
wouldn't know he had been hurt; or that he was pretending so that he
himself wouldn't get damaged; etc. etc. NONE WITHOUT ANY ARGUMENT FROM THE
TEXT, JUST BULLSHIT BULLLSHIT HERE'S ANOTHER NIFTY IDEA BULLSHIT - after
listening to that, I finally said I thought there should be rules of
discussion, that if somebody has an interpretation of behavior they should
cite evidence for this FROM THE TEXT.  Or FROM -A- TEXT!

I was mad.  And several people turned around and gave me dirty looks.

That's the SOUR part.

Ann

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > I've never been able to think of Alyce as a stupid ET from the beginning of
> > this silliness.
>
> I guess I wasn't reading carefully.  I thought clo was the other Effortful
> Twit.
>
> Ann

Why drag me into this?
clo

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> Why drag me into this?
> clo

Are you a person in your own right or something?

Ann

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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:

> How you doing, clo?  Still in Texas?
>
> Before you purchased on orbitz, did you compare with any others?
>
> Betty

Yep, still in san Antonio and sneaking in a couple of minutes in the Bus.
Center before going back to <party>, if it can be called that, with other
Bored Members.Well, at least it's interesting to observe changes in
communication breakdown patterns between hearing and deaf adults as they
get progressively drunker.

btw, I blame it all on you, brPaul - if you didn't get Butch, SU would
have lost for lack of moral support, and we could go back to normal lives!

about Orbitz, I did check out USAIR.com, Continental.com, travelocity,
cheaptickets.com, and lowestfare.com before buying tickets through
orbitz.com.

So far the trip has been terrific, and they didn't route me in any
impossible way (unlike halfprice.com, which sent my partner-in-crime from
Houston to Paris via NYC, but flying IN to Newark and Out of JFK with a 45
minute layover to change planes last year!).

And, as I said, I like the web interface very much; it is fast,
informative, and flexible when you flip back and forth trying different
options for the cheapest ticket. Plus, they sent me follow-up emails about
things I might want to check on for my trip which were actually useful!

clo

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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> > Why drag me into this?
> > clo
>
> Are you a person in your own right or something?
>
> Ann
>

Apparently I am so much my own person that y'all suspect me of being a
mere caricature, though why you should equate Shoshana's creation with
Paul's doppelganger is beyond me.

In <real life>, I very much respect and care for Paul, but I don't share
his propensity to acknowledge commonalities in this way. In fact, this is
the 2d time I have had a chance to <not> be his clone by odd association.


Gimme a break, I have none of his  - and Karen's - good qualities, and a
whole host of bad ones that would shock the pants off him if he knew
about them! (or is that just more Shoshana bragging?)


clo

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02003-04-05 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> After listening to at least a half hour of people's theories about why EK
> didn't cry at his children's abuse - theories like he didn't know what was
> happening at first, he was numb; or he was pretending so that the mad king
> wouldn't know he had been hurt; or that he was pretending so that he
> himself wouldn't get damaged; etc. etc. NONE WITHOUT ANY ARGUMENT FROM THE
> TEXT, JUST BULLSHIT BULLLSHIT HERE'S ANOTHER NIFTY IDEA BULLSHIT - after
> listening to that, I finally said I thought there should be rules of
> discussion, that if somebody has an interpretation of behavior they should
> cite evidence for this FROM THE TEXT.  Or FROM -A- TEXT!

U R A B*TCH

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02003-04-05 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> he was pretending so that he himself wouldn't get damaged

A+

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02003-04-06 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> Apparently I am so much my own person that y'all suspect me of being a
> mere caricature, though why you should equate Shoshana's creation with
> Paul's doppelganger is beyond me.
>
> In <real life>, I very much respect and care for Paul, but I don't share
> his propensity to acknowledge commonalities in this way. In fact, this is
> the 2d time I have had a chance to <not> be his clone by odd association.
>
> Gimme a break, I have none of his  - and Karen's - good qualities, and a
> whole host of bad ones that would shock the pants off him if he knew
> about them! (or is that just more Shoshana bragging?)

Adam, you want me to unsubscribe her or you'll do it?

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Thanks to infinitely (drunken) patient encouragement by BF Clark,
we can now view the infamous Snowbash pictures.

"Enjoy"

<http://words-l.org/images/snowbash2003/>

More pics coming soon ...

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02003-04-05 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 10:06 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-04-05 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> At 09:21 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >Anyway, I am signing off now--there are some disgusting drunks
> >> >logged on at the moment. Every experienced person knows you
> >> >should get the hell out if there's a bunch of drunk old women
> >> >around ... knowmsain
> >>
> >> Tushy, come back you churlish common-kissing barnacle.
> >
> >Well, I had to. My headache revved up a bit and I remembered the
> >reason why I have had it all day. Someone in the building decided
> >to have a "spiritual spring cleaning" and stank up the whole apartment
> >with the most hideous burning smell of god knows what leaves. "Out
> >of her damn mind" seems to be the opinion of the staff. It's a big
> >building, but that thing woke me up from several floors away with
> >a pre-built headache, and now that I remember it I am afraid to go
> >home (wondering, however, if it is really all that better to be stuck
> >with drunk old ladies cussing like bawling blasphemous boatswains).
>
> Dr. Borkin needs your input.

You flatter me but Dr. Borkin simply needs input from anyone who
happens to be bearing alcohol ...

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-04-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
= > Saturday, April 5, 2003, 11:57:40 AM, bogris01 wrote:
= > > I resemble this remark.  I am going with cable modem.  What do
= > > you think?
= >
= > Good move--but few of the problems I've had with mine were
= > solvable by them.
=
= Then why is it a good move?
=
= > It helps to understand networking.
=
= Like what? There are dots with arrows between them? I don't see
= what "networking" you have to understand. (The guy who came to
= install my cable modem a couple of weeks ago sure didn't seem to
= know anything about networking. He plugged a couple of things in,

Some of my latest headaches at work involve the fact that we are
going to let the customers self-install their modems.  Shouldn't
be any more trouble than getting your vcr going.

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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I don't care.  I will go gently into that good night without railing
>against the dying of the light.

I suspect that even as I welcome the transition, I will, with Dylan,
rage rage against the dying of this light.

Bethany

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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> I hope you remember her daughter's birthday!
>
>Well, I forgot. It was April 1. Or actually, March 31.

So I'm not the only one you forgot!

Bethany

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Betty wrote:

> >This is one of my main reasons for being against something like that,
> >especially in retirement.  I don't like committing myself to fees.  I
> >think I might have mentioned before a house I looked at a couple of
> >years ago that I liked some things about very much, but it was in a
> >neighborhood that had an association fee of $50 a month.  I kept
> >thinking, "What might it be in ten years or twenty years?"  I just
> >didn't want to get involved in fee-paying.
>
> But you don't have to spend $30,000 for a new roof, paint, etc. either.

In the case of the house I was talking about, the fee paid only for
grass-cutting and landscaping etc. of a strip of land across the front
of the place -- a <common area>.  Paying a fee that would mean not
having to pay for a new roof or paint would be much more acceptable.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Excellent point. Paying for a new roof is one of my least favorite
> activities.

The house in BSL has a tin roof.  They are said to last pretty much
forever.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> A room of her own? She has access to 100 acres at PF right now. Why would
> she give that up for a few square feet???

To be closer to you.  You could sit on the couch together while watching
tv or reading, etc.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> You can get there only from Alcoa Hwy (near the UT hospital) or John
> Sevier Hwy. Alcoa Hwy is a nightmare several hours a day. And the condos
> are not near any other residential neighborhoods.

The geography is coming back to me.  I agree that having to run back and
forth across Alcoa Hwy wouldn't be fun.

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Betty wrote:

> I called to delete mine and they offered me a deal I couldn't refuse.  I
> now pay $10 a month for 50  local minutes, which is more than I could ever
> use. I have a phone card for long distance, which I use to call wordslers
> and siblings that I think about every few months.

I do worry about the hassle of leaving phone numbers with Furbabies or
wherever Spencer ends up staying when I'm traveling.  That was the only
convenience of the cell phone.  I noticed in Fred's not long ago some
prepaid card things for cell phones.  Because I was in a hurry, I didn't
stop and inquire of a salesclerk as to how they worked -- like what kind
of phone you'd have to buy, etc.  But I may explore that possibility.
If I could buy a cheap card to stick into a cell phone when leaving on a
trip, it would be a good thing.  Iow, not paying year-round for
something I don't use.

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Betty wrote:

> He is obnoxious but he is still your brother.

Right.  And I think we will probably never lose touch totally, the way
some siblings do.  Iow, I think we will probably know where each other
is living and that kind of thing.  Probably we will send xmas presents
also.  But we will not be in communication otherwise.  The only
possibility of our seeing each other would be if I'm still in Starkville
and MSU is doing something wondrous in sports and my RRB decides to come
see an event.  Even then, we might not see each other.  They came to a
football game here one time, and I didn't even know it until later.
They decided it would be fun to stay at some kind of ritzy golf place in
West Point, so they did that.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > For those of you who haven't met Gene -- he's great.  His not
> > participating on the list is clearly not an anti-list stance.  He did
> > not seem at all disapproving of us.
>
>         I think that's a character flaw.

Maybe he was faking good will.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I am having so much trouble relating to what more
> than one of you is saying.  I did not think like my
> brother nor my sister.  We were not the same in our
> politics at all, nor in many of our opinions.  Yet we

I should probably point out that my emphasizing of my RRB&SIL's politics
is in some ways a joke because they are such caricatures of the
Republican stereotype.  Their political positions are based on nothing
at all except a desire to increase their wealth.  I might have mentioned
before their entry into politics.  It was a long time ago and was on the
local level.  My RRB said something like, "I now understand why people
get involved in politics.  You can make fortunes."  He went on to tell
of a recent experience, the exact details of which I've forgotten, of
contributing to a political candidate who won whatever office and who in
return for the contribution tipped off my brother about something like a
highway that was about to be proposed and that the land in the vicinity
would skyrocket in value.  So my RRB was able to buy a chunk of the land
and then turn around and sell it for a gigantic profit.  That to them is
politics.  On the national level it obviously isn't likely to be such
individual things, but it's the same principle.

>   I just don't get family members not
> appreciating each other.  Maybe I was just lucky.

Yes.  I see nothing fun about being around incredibly selfish people
whose <values> in life are trying to show off their status by buying the
most expensive whatever or going to the trendiest wherever, etc.  They
express utter contempt for people who "feed from the public trough" --
me, for example.  My brother has asked me why I couldn't have made more
of my life -- why I was content to feel from the public trough and not
accomplish anything.

My point is simply that I see no reason to spend time around people who
make jokes about the poor (they think the poor should all just starve to
death since it would make the country better), who are hugely
condescending toward the middle class, who will think nothing of
screwing up your plans if you do plan to get together but then they
change their minds because something more interesting has arisen, etc.
etc.

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PS:  Note re politics that I said "caricature" and "stereotype."  I am
not suggesting that all Republicans are like them.  But I will admit
that knowing them has contributed to the strength of my anti-Republican
feelings.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> He's out running the cows.

Like at Pamplona?  Hmm.  I guess those aren't cows, are they.

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Diegetic Mutant Hog wrote:

> <http://words-l.org/images/snowbash2003/>

Great pictures!  But some of them need captions.  Like what was on
Rashmi's pants leg that Marie was studying so intently?  And what was
everybody but Rashmi starting at toward the bottom right when Rashmi was
scowling at the camera?  And is that gorgeous young man Emily's
boyfriend?  What a hunk he is.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >> I hope you remember her daughter's birthday!
> >
> >Well, I forgot. It was April 1. Or actually, March 31.
>
> So I'm not the only one you forgot!

Uh oh.  Did we miss a bday?

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Ann Borkin wrote:

>>>That's the sourest post I have read for a while! Ugh!
>>>
>
> Here's the sour part:
>
> After listening to at least a half hour of people's theories about why EK
> didn't cry at his children's abuse - theories like he didn't know what was
> happening at first, he was numb; or he was pretending so that the mad king
> wouldn't know he had been hurt; or that he was pretending so that he
> himself wouldn't get damaged; etc. etc. NONE WITHOUT ANY ARGUMENT FROM THE
> TEXT, JUST BULLSHIT BULLLSHIT HERE'S ANOTHER NIFTY IDEA BULLSHIT - after
> listening to that, I finally said I thought there should be rules of
> discussion, that if somebody has an interpretation of behavior they should
> cite evidence for this FROM THE TEXT.  Or FROM -A- TEXT!
>
> I was mad.  And several people turned around and gave me dirty looks.
>
> That's the SOUR part.
>


        You need to run the MAP-prep classes.




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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Diegetic Mutant Hog wrote:
>
>
>><http://words-l.org/images/snowbash2003/>
>>
>
> Great pictures!  But some of them need captions.  Like what was on
> Rashmi's pants leg that Marie was studying so intently?  And what was
> everybody but Rashmi starting at toward the bottom right when Rashmi was
> scowling at the camera?  And is that gorgeous young man Emily's
> boyfriend?  What a hunk he is.
>


        Darn!  I should not have looked.  Now I know what LaTina and
BrP look like, and I saw saving them up.




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I could give zillions and zillions of examples, but here's one that
typifies my RRB&SIL's attitudes:  I was commenting to my RRSIL that one
of her <servants> was so very bright and industrious and would quite
likely be able to get some kind of scholarship to go to UAH.  My RRSIL
said in horror, "Don't say anything like that to her!  I need her."  She
wasn't joking.  She was dead serious.  Losing a useful employee so that
that employee could build a better life was unthinkable.  (They do pay
their <servants> quite well, btw.  I will grant them that.)

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At 12:38 AM 4/6/2003 -0600, Diegetic Mutant Hog wrote:
>Thanks to infinitely (drunken) patient encouragement by BF Clark,
>we can now view the infamous Snowbash pictures.
>
>"Enjoy"
>
><http://words-l.org/images/snowbash2003/>
>
>More pics coming soon ...

Thank you!  It is fun to see these so much closer to the event. Do you want
me to send a group one from last year?

Betty

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At 08:37 PM 4/5/2003 -0800, Betty wrote:
>It's Br. Paul against Sylvia!

Not only that, the opposing coaches (who are among the top coaches in the
country) have had reams of copy written about how each one has never won
"the big one."  So now, one will, and the other will have to put up with at
least one more year of "why can't he?".

Marquette was dreadful, but most of it was Kansas's fault.

cwv

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At 12:38 AM 4/6/2003 -0600, Diegetic Mutant Hog wrote:
>Thanks to infinitely (drunken) patient encouragement by BF Clark,
>we can now view the infamous Snowbash pictures.
>
>"Enjoy"

Thank you.

cwv

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Betty wrote:
> >Tylenol 4 is equal to two Tylenol 3s.
>
> Is that some kind of new math?
>
Ask a pharmacist. I was taking #3, which became inadequate, so dr. said
to take two of them. Then he said that better still would be a new scrip
for #4, which was the same thing. So he lied?

alyce

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"Max F." wrote:

> Someone...suggested me you all could help me and
> we could have some fun together.

I see there's one more "ethnic" meeber :-)

Hullo, Max!

Kristin

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At 10:53 AM 4/6/2003 -0400, alyce cresap wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> > >Tylenol 4 is equal to two Tylenol 3s.
> >
> > Is that some kind of new math?
> >
>Ask a pharmacist. I was taking #3, which became inadequate, so dr. said
>to take two of them. Then he said that better still would be a new scrip
>for #4, which was the same thing. So he lied?

No. I just thought it should be 6.

Old math student.
Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>  it might come across as somehow trivializing the
> enormity of Alyce's situation.

Not at all. I know you would not do that. Say whatever you like.
Possibly you and others might have new or different views that would be
helpful for me to consider.

alyce

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> Yes!  It was me.

YAY! Just send your address, please. We can get it in the mail tomorrow.
I am glad I remembered.

alyce

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> Alyce, are you sending people things?

Shhh. It's supposed to be a surprise.

> Did you find the *TIP*TOP*TAP*
> mug by any chance?

Not yet, but if I do... I don't think it says tiptoptap on it,
though--only Moscow Mule. But I could be wrong. We'll see.

alyce


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>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
> PS:  Note re politics that I said "caricature" and "stereotype."  I am
> not suggesting that all Republicans are like them.  But I will admit
> that knowing them has contributed to the strength of my
anti-Republican
> feelings.

This explains a lot.  I have often been puzzled
by some of your ideas about Republicans.

                                   - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:
> This explains a lot.  I have often been puzzled
> by some of your ideas about Republicans.
>
After all of the distasteful things Natalie has posted about her
RRB&SIL, I am surprised that you never understood her ideas re:
Republicans. I certainly understand them, for I know many Republicans
who think along the same lines as the RRSIL, although they may not have
quite as much money.

alyce

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> Doris Markland wrote:
> > This explains a lot.  I have often been puzzled
> > by some of your ideas about Republicans.
> >
> After all of the distasteful things Natalie has posted about her
> RRB&SIL, I am surprised that you never understood her ideas re:
> Republicans. I certainly understand them, for I know many Republicans
> who think along the same lines as the RRSIL, although they may not
have
> quite as much money.
>
> alyce

I'd like you to meet my Republican friends, none
of whom are remotely like that.  But then I'm
beginning to believe that Democrats here are
different from Democrats elsewhere too.

                   - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
> >
> > PS:  Note re politics that I said "caricature" and "stereotype."  I am
> > not suggesting that all Republicans are like them.  But I will admit
> > that knowing them has contributed to the strength of my
> anti-Republican
> > feelings.
>
> This explains a lot.  I have often been puzzled
> by some of your ideas about Republicans.

I think you've got it a bit backwards, though.  The ideas about
Republicans are the stereotypes, not ones I personally formulated.   I
became fascinated when I realized  that my RRB&SIL were the epitome of
those stereotypes -- that they were living, breathing Republican
caricatures -- as in extreme examples of the Republican <image>.

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 09:47:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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On Sun, 6 Apr 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > Are you a person in your own right or something?
> Apparently I am so much my own person that y'all suspect me of being a
> mere caricature, though why you should equate Shoshana's creation with
> Paul's doppelganger is beyond me.

I don't think you should take us as seriously as you do.  I don't know who
proposed 'Shoshana' but if they were serious they had their head/s up
their ass.

As for me, I just made a smartass comment late at night.  I mostly make
smartass comments on this Service; in real life I am so fucking NICE it
takes its toll, see, so this is my stupid smartass outlet.

I recently had insight into my own behavior:  I have no siblings.  This
explains A LOT.

Anyway, just to be redundant and all, I don't see you as a clone of Paul,
or vice versa.  But now that you've gotten all -tetchy- about it I am
likely to treat you like one until it's apparent you don't give a shit.

Ann



>
> In <real life>, I very much respect and care for Paul, but I don't share
> his propensity to acknowledge commonalities in this way. In fact, this is
> the 2d time I have had a chance to <not> be his clone by odd association.
>
>
> Gimme a break, I have none of his  - and Karen's - good qualities, and a
> whole host of bad ones that would shock the pants off him if he knew
> about them! (or is that just more Shoshana bragging?)
>
>
> clo
>

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> As for me, I just made a smartass comment late at night.  I mostly make
> smartass comments on this Service; in real life I am so fucking NICE it
> takes its toll, see, so this is my stupid smartass outlet.

This is true.  Of all the Wordslers or other people I've known in e-mail
before meeting ftf, AnnBork is one of only a few who seem different ftf,
and she is indeed totally different.  You wouldn't recognize her quiet,
polite, demure ftf self.

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Did y'all read about the man arrested for performing unlicensed surgery
in Michigan, castrating his friend on the kitchen table, where the two
of them then ate pie?  It among the little "Around the Nation" blurbs in
today's Starkville paper.

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It didn't just happen.  It was the trial that just happened.  The event
was almost a year ago.  I just googled for it and found this:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/04/05/court.castration/

I don't think the SDN story included the part about the testicles in the
jar in the refrigerator.  I wonder what he was planning on doing with
them.

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Diegetic Mutant Hog wrote:

> Thanks to infinitely (drunken) patient encouragement by BF Clark,
> we can now view the infamous Snowbash pictures.
>
> "Enjoy"

I did. And got to know that till now I've evidently thought BrPaul
looking like Judith's Paul does. As much as one can tell by pictures.

Kristin

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At 12:47 PM 4/6/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Did y'all read about the man arrested for performing unlicensed surgery
>in Michigan, castrating his friend on the kitchen table, where the two
>of them then ate pie?  It among the little "Around the Nation" blurbs in
>today's Starkville paper.

Thank you for sharing.  What kind of pie?

Betty

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The skies are now black, thunder is rumbling, and the forecast includes
the possibility of golf-ball-sized hail, "dangerous lightning," and
"torrential rainfall."  I wish the torrential rainfall would hold off
until I'm inside the community theatre and then stop when I'm exiting
there.

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Betty wrote:

> Thank you for sharing.  What kind of pie?

It didn't say.  It (the SDN) just said that the castrator and the
castratee "shared some pie" afterwards at the table where the castration
had occurred.

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http://www.etext.org/~rita/mysteryflower.html


Four years ago, I put in a shade garden from one of those
catalogs.  It appeared to be a dismal failure that first
year, but every year since something new suddenly springs to
life.  This year it is these.  I think they're bluebells?

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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In a message dated 04/06/2003 12:52:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
I don't think the SDN story included the part about the testicles in the
jar in the refrigerator.  I wonder what he was planning on doing with
them.


>>

You ever read the joke about the restaurant serving bull's testicles?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>People in other places, however, seem happy with cable -- Bad Betty is one
>who comes to mind.

I'm happy with it, too, although Comcast is charging an arm and a leg for
it ($57 w/o cable TV, or $42 if I buy basic cable for $13).  Our home phone
line runs over it (via Vonage), even.

Pete

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Rita Chapman wrote:

  I think they're bluebells?

Yes, and next year you will have more--they spread a lot.
Mine are in the sun, though, not shade.

alyce
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Back to back letters in my mailbox from
Peter Kaminski
Peter Gambitsky
Peter Cander
made me do a double-take.

What are the odds?
--
alyce

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alyce cresap writes,

>What are the odds?

To borrow Natalie's word, it depends on how many Peters you have regular
intercourse with.

Pete

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02003-04-06 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>        You need to run the MAP-prep classes.

What's MAP-prep?

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>If I could buy a cheap card to stick into a cell phone when leaving on a
>trip, it would be a good thing.  Iow, not paying year-round for
>something I don't use.

Looked recently at Best Buy.  They have Virgin and Boost prepaid phones,
starting at around $60.  You have to pay at least $20 every 90 days to keep
them active (i.e., keep your phone number and any remaining credit on the
account).

Presumably you could re-activate it later (with a different #) even if
you'd let the account lapse in the meantime.

Here's the pertinent Boost FAQ
<http://www.boostmobile.com/support/faq_re-boost.htm>:

Q: How often do I need to Re-Boost my account?

A: You will need to Re-Boost at least once every 90 days to keep your
account active. If you don't Re-Boost within 90 days, any unused credits
after 90 days will be forfeited and you'll have 60 days to Re-Boost your
account to avoid your account being terminated. Once terminated, you will
lose all your numbers (PTN and Boost 2WAY).

Pete

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02003-04-06 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Diegetic Mutant Hog wrote:
>
> > <http://words-l.org/images/snowbash2003/>
>
> Great pictures!  But some of them need captions.  Like what was on
> Rashmi's pants leg that Marie was studying so intently?  And what was
> everybody but Rashmi starting at toward the bottom right when Rashmi was
> scowling at the camera?  And is that gorgeous young man Emily's
> boyfriend?  What a hunk he is.

You can't see the captions?

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On Sun, 6 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> A room of her own? She has access to 100 acres at PF right now. Why would
>> she give that up for a few square feet???
>
>To be closer to you.  You could sit on the couch together while watching
>tv or reading, etc.

LOL. The JOB of a horse is to eat all the time she is not sleeping. ALL
the time.

Bethany

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On Sun, 6 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Uh oh.  Did we miss a bday?

Just mine. Just an April 1 bday. That's okay - I'll buy a slightly more
expensive residence in Seq Hills to make up for it. In fact, that's what
the purchase will be - my 2003 bday present to myself.

Bethany

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-06 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>       You need to run the MAP-prep classes.
>>
>
> What's MAP-prep?
>


        MAP -- Missouri Achievement P-something.  High-stakes
state-mandated standardized tests.  School accreditation and
funding is in part determined by the results.  April, being
the cruelest month, is when we do the MAP circus.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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At 02:39 PM 4/6/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-06 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Great pictures!  But some of them need captions.
>
>You can't see the captions?

They came through fine---clear, uncluttered, and explanatory.

cwv

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Doris Markland writes,

>I don't think the man roaming the street
>yesterday was him.

Debka says the real one moved out a week or so ago.  This is from an April
3rd story: "The little hard information reaching DEBKAfile's most reliable
intelligence sources is that Saddam and his sons departed Baghdad some days
ago. They do not know where he went, or in what state of health, whether he
traveled abroad for medical treatment or the family headed for a safe berth
prepared in advance, or even if they arrived safely at their
destination.  But it is safe to say that Saddam and the senior members of
his family are no longer at the helm of government."
<http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=456>

Pete

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clyde w. voigtlander writes,

>How else, pray tell?

Concurrently.  Some might try to do it prospectively, even.

Pete

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In a message dated 4/6/2003 11:35:07 AM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

<< You ever read the joke about the restaurant serving bull's testicles? >>

That ain't no joke. Don't you know they're delicious? I've had them several
times; it's  common practice all over the world. It's only in this country
that people waste a lot of perfectly good food. There! Go ahead, shake your
head about these insane practices by those *ignurrant furreners*.
Theo

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>Debka says the real one moved out a week or so ago.  This is from an April
>3rd story: "The little hard information reaching DEBKAfile's most reliable
>intelligence sources is that Saddam and his sons departed Baghdad some days
>ago.         --Pete

So when is this going to be over?  Exactly what will constitute victory?


    --bonniev

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Peter Kaminski:
= Natalie Maynor writes,
=
= >If I could buy a cheap card to stick into a cell phone when leaving on a
= >trip, it would be a good thing.  Iow, not paying year-round for
= >something I don't use.
=
= Looked recently at Best Buy.  They have Virgin and Boost prepaid phones,
= starting at around $60.  You have to pay at least $20 every 90 days to keep
= them active (i.e., keep your phone number and any remaining credit on the
= account).
=

Hmm.  I just bought a EUR 49 phone and it came with EUR 5 credit.
I have to use the phone (make or receive a call or sms, or add
credit) once every six months.  I think I can add a minimum of
EUR 10 when next I need some more.  This is the "guest phone" so
when people come for a visit and then are lost and running late,
I can find them.

My mobile is also pay as you go, and it's hooked to my long
distance service.  I can charge it up in increments of EUR 10
(which is one to two months worth for me) and get invoiced for it
with the long distace.

Why don't they offer something like that in the States?

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In a message dated 04/06/2003 3:16:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
Groothof2@AOL.COM writes:

<<
In a message dated 4/6/2003 11:35:07 AM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

<< You ever read the joke about the restaurant serving bull's testicles? >>

That ain't no joke.
>>

The joke is that when the guy first comes into the restaurant, he sees
these huge testicles.  But when he later orders them, he gets these
itty bitty ones; they belonged to the matador.

Evelyn Duncan
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bonniev writes,

>So when is this going to be over?  Exactly what will constitute victory?

"Old-Style Battles Are Giving Way to 'Checkpoint War'"
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37656-2003Apr5.html>

Excerpt:

"The low-intensity war has been going on all along," concluded Robert
Andrews, a former Pentagon official who oversaw Special Operations
activities and low-intensity warfare. What is happening now, he said, is
"just the phasing out of the conventional war."

Andrews predicted that the next phase will "go on for some time," and
likely will focus on rooting out die-hards who remain loyal to the Baath
Party.
In that environment, the transition from war to peace may be almost
invisible, with the end of the war arbitrarily declared at some point.
"It's not over by any means," said retired Army Col. Joe Adamczyk. "I
believe that we will continue to have 'boots on the ground' engaged in
significant operations from direct combat to occupation for at least one
year or more."

The key to ending attacks on the U.S. military presence will be to win the
support of the Iraqi people -- which is more a function of diplomatic,
reconstruction and relief efforts than of purely military ones. If Iraqis
are not opposed to the U.S. presence, the small-scale attacks are likely to
be nettlesome but insignificant, military experts said. "Without
significant popular support, it will be difficult for suicide bombers to
pose more than a nuisance to coalition forces," said retired Army Lt. Col.
Andrew Krepinevich, a strategy expert.

But if the Iraqi population turns against the U.S. presence, troops at
checkpoints and other exposed positions become convenient targets for their
displeasure. For that reason, said Krepinevich, it becomes crucial to start
training and vetting Iraqi troops to take over policing and other security
work. "It would be wise not to overstay our welcome," he said.

Pete

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> destination.  But it is safe to say that Saddam and the senior members
of
> his family are no longer at the helm of government."
> <http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=456>
>
> Pete

Thanks, Pete.  Interesting.  If true, I wonder
by what route they escaped.

             - D. M.

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I have examined my 3 credit reports - all is okay there. I think this will
be fun.

Tomorrow, I will put in a call to my agent and also start the
pre-approval process.

There were 7 open houses in Seq Hills this afternoon (during a heavy rain
storm) - but since all the houses were in the $350,000-$550,000+ category,
I saw no reason to spend time at them.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >To be closer to you.  You could sit on the couch together while watching
> >tv or reading, etc.
>
> LOL. The JOB of a horse is to eat all the time she is not sleeping. ALL
> the time.

Not a problem.  You could share a bag of potato chips or something if
she's awake, and then she could snuggle up beside you and snooze.
Spencer is asleep most of the time when we're sitting on the couch
together.

--
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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Looked recently at Best Buy.  They have Virgin and Boost prepaid phones,
> starting at around $60.  You have to pay at least $20 every 90 days to keep
> them active (i.e., keep your phone number and any remaining credit on the
> account).

I thought cell phones had to be associated with certain localities --
like it had to be an entity in your state or something like that.  Is
that not true?

> Presumably you could re-activate it later (with a different #) even if
> you'd let the account lapse in the meantime.

I wouldn't care about having it active except for trips.  And I wouldn't
care about keeping the same number.  I'd give whatever the current
number was to Furrbabies (or wherever Spencer is staying).  But if
there's an activation fee, paying $20 every 90 days might be wiser.
Dogs certainly complicate life, don't they.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >Uh oh.  Did we miss a bday?
>
> Just mine. Just an April 1 bday. That's okay - I'll buy a slightly more
> expensive residence in Seq Hills to make up for it. In fact, that's what
> the purchase will be - my 2003 bday present to myself.

That's why we did it.  We colluded to ignore your bday to inspire you to
buy a nice house or condo.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> You can't see the captions?

I didn't see any captions.  But the pictures were huge -- took up my
whole screen.  Maybe I should've scrolled down.

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>I'd give whatever the current
>number was to Furrbabies (or wherever Spencer is staying).
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Why does Furrbabies have to have a phone number?   What can you do by phone
for Spencer?


    --bonniev

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I see the captions now!  Can't read them, though, because of the
colors.  It appears to be black print on a navy blue background.

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bonniev wrote:

> Why does Furrbabies have to have a phone number?   What can you do by phone
> for Spencer?

I guess it's in case there are decisions to made in a medical emergency.

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On Sun, 6 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> LOL. The JOB of a horse is to eat all the time she is not sleeping. ALL
>> the time.
>
>Not a problem.  You could share a bag of potato chips or something if
>she's awake, and then she could snuggle up beside you and snooze.
>Spencer is asleep most of the time when we're sitting on the couch
>together.

Natalie, have you read _Horses for Dummies_ yet? Horses sleep standing up
for the most part. And Maria eschews potato chips - she chews only grass,
hay, Equine Senior, carrots, apples - and horse cookies made of oats and
apples.

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>I thought cell phones had to be associated with certain localities --
>like it had to be an entity in your state or something like that.  Is
>that not true?

They're reasonably national, now.

>But if there's an activation fee, paying $20 every 90 days might be wiser.

I think there may not be an activation fee.  So the only downside would be
losing your stake (probably $20) each time you activate it, even if you
don't use all $20 worth of airtime.  (Of course, you could use it up on
regular phone calls, I guess.)

>Dogs certainly complicate life, don't they.

But they're worth it. :)

Pete

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At 11:37 AM 4/5/2003 -0800, Peter Kaminski wrote:
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>
>>How else, pray tell?
>
>Concurrently.  Some might try to do it prospectively, even.

Neither of which is possible.

cwv

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Natalie, have you read _Horses for Dummies_ yet? Horses sleep standing up
> for the most part. And Maria eschews potato chips - she chews only grass,
> hay, Equine Senior, carrots, apples - and horse cookies made of oats and
> apples.

Well, you could share a bag of carrots with her instead of potato
chips.  And she could stand beside the couch and snooze.  You could
entwine your legs with hers to snuggle.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>bonniev wrote:
> > Why does Furrbabies have to have a phone number?   What can you do by phone
> > for Spencer?
>
>I guess it's in case there are decisions to made in a medical emergency.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Can't you just tell them ahead of time "call my vet and do what he thinks
is best" ?


    --bonniev

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> They're reasonably national, now.

Boost is only "parts of California and Nevada" -- I don't know whether
the "parts of" goes with both or just with California.

> I think there may not be an activation fee.  So the only downside would be
> losing your stake (probably $20) each time you activate it, even if you
> don't use all $20 worth of airtime.  (Of course, you could use it up on
> regular phone calls, I guess.)

I doubt that I would use any of it.  That's the reason I dropped my
Cellular South service.  Most months I used zero minutes.

> >Dogs certainly complicate life, don't they.
>
> But they're worth it. :)

Yes.  Even little things like the sound I'm now hearing of Spencer over
there on the couch licking his private parts are comforting.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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bonniev wrote:

> Can't you just tell them ahead of time "call my vet and do what he thinks
> is best" ?

I'll discuss these possibilities.  The problem is that a vet might also
require word from the dog's significant other before making a decision.
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-04-06 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-04-06 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> >>      You need to run the MAP-prep classes.
> >
> >What's MAP-prep?
>
>        MAP -- Missouri Achievement P-something.  High-stakes
> state-mandated standardized tests.  School accreditation and
> funding is in part determined by the results.  April, being
> the cruelest month, is when we do the MAP circus.

Oh man, exam culture in deepest Missouri! Sheeze!

I need to stop before I ... well here I go, reminiscing. This
goddam exam culture. To keep it short I will express it as a
series of bullet points, and name no names. One, aggravating
kids. Look, I was smart-assed too for a while but I "recognized"
early. (One-B: infinitely more aggravating parents. Oh my mama,
you were so much more excellent than those b*****s! And may
I add that nothing's more embarrassing than an adult hanging
around the exam hall, holding a lunch bag or whatever, going
that's my boy there ...) Two, seeing the same kids at every
"event"--but not a real event, just a test or a prize-giving.
Three, some entirely too enthusiastic teachers--and here we
crave Ms Chapman's pardon, but there are teachers who measure
their "rep" by the number of scholarships etc "they" netted...
knowmsain. Four, parents of kids you have no desire to be
friends with acting like we are friends, as if. WTF. This is
actually of the genus of celebrity-struck behaviour, if you
think about it, except the context is so pathetic. There's
a lot more, but one bullet point needs special mention: the
gradual realization that many of these kids were rich and/or
"high born" and had entirely different aims in life and points
of prestige--that can be a hard thing to come to terms with,
but it's good for you ultimately.

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>I'll discuss these possibilities.  The problem is that a vet might also
>require word from the dog's significant other before making a decision.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

You can sign something ahead of time saying you authorize any needed
medical stuff and also give permission to put the dog down if, in the vet's
opinion, the dog is suffering and there is little hope of cure.


    --bonniev

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02003-04-06 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> I see the captions now!  Can't read them, though, because of the
> colors.  It appears to be black print on a navy blue background.

Drag a mouse over them. I'll think of a way to repair it;
I suppose I have been guilty of assuming ... huh huh huh

By the way, these captions were provided by Adam, whom we
additionally thank for some very easy-to-work-with "image
submissions" ...

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On Sun, 6 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Just mine. Just an April 1 bday. That's okay - I'll buy a slightly more
>> expensive residence in Seq Hills to make up for it. In fact, that's what
>> the purchase will be - my 2003 bday present to myself.
>
>That's why we did it.  We colluded to ignore your bday to inspire you to
>buy a nice house or condo.

Hey, I like it! Thanks!

In 1986, I bought a lot in Sequoyah Hills for my birthday present. It's
time to return to the scenario ...

Bethany

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02003-04-06 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> > Did you find the *TIP*TOP*TAP* mug by any chance?
>
> Not yet, but if I do... I don't think it says tiptoptap on it,
> though--only Moscow Mule. But I could be wrong. We'll see.

Oh, hahahaha ... I really just like the story, that's all!
I haven't been in there, you know. Keep thinking I'll have
to wear an expensive suit and a gangster hat just to be let
in--and then what kind of martini should I order, I don't
know zip ... And my shoes suck!

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> I haven't been in there, you know.

Yabbut. If you had the mug, you could tell people that you had been
there.

alyce

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bonniev wrote:

> You can sign something ahead of time saying you authorize any needed
> medical stuff and also give permission to put the dog down if, in the vet's
> opinion, the dog is suffering and there is little hope of cure.

I will definitely discuss these matters.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Drag a mouse over them. I'll think of a way to repair it;

Nope.  It looks like just a long navy blue bar under the picture.  It
was not until you mentioned the captions and I went back and stared
intently that I could make out a hint of some black letters in the navy
bar.  Dragging the mouse over it doesn't change anything.  The prev and
next boxes I can read -- Williamsburg blue background with light blue
writing.

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02003-04-06 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 11:37 AM 4/5/2003 -0800, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> >clyde w. voigtlander writes,
> >
> >>How else, pray tell?
> >
> >Concurrently.  Some might try to do it prospectively, even.
>
> Neither of which is possible.

What a dull life.

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WAIT!  I did make it work!  I thought you meant dragging, not clicking.
I just tried clicking and dragging backwards, and the letters showed up!

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> In 1986, I bought a lot in Sequoyah Hills for my birthday present. It's
> time to return to the scenario ...

What did you do with that lot?

Meanwhile, I'm amused that Spencer doesn't realize it's time for his
canned food.  He thinks it's just 4:00.  I'm about to surprise him with
the dinner announcement.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-04-06 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> WAIT!  I did make it work!  I thought you meant dragging, not clicking.
> I just tried clicking and dragging backwards, and the letters showed up!

Good. Did you know that "dragging over" often presupposes clicking
and holding down the mouse. It thus "selects" the text which can be
cut or copied into a clipboard. One side effect of the selection is
it may display the text in some default fore- and background, making
it readable.

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02003-04-06 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > I haven't been in there, you know.
>
> Yabbut. If you had the mug, you could tell people that you had been
> there.

Yes, I have often wished I was born with a trustworthy mug ...

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Good. Did you know that "dragging over" often presupposes clicking
> and holding down the mouse.

No.  I thought it was the term for what you do to make little
explanations appear under things -- no clicking involved.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>Boost is only "parts of California and Nevada" -- I don't know whether
>the "parts of" goes with both or just with California.

Try Virgin Mobile:
<http://www.bestbuy.com/GoCellular/VirginCoverage.asp>.  Looks like they'd
have coverage for you.  (Better solutions for you might be a voicemail
account you check, perhaps one with email notification; or a pager.)

BTW, we're just moving our mobile service from ATT to Sprint, because
Sprint has unlimited Internet access for an extra $10/month over their
regular plans.  Sprint's CDMA2000 net service currently transfers at about
50-70 Kbps, similar in speed to a dial modem (except with a small, or
*very* small, screen).

I got a Treo 300, Johanne and Ethan got nice 3G WAP phones, a Sanyo
SCP-4900 and a Samsung N400.  If you sign up through Amazon, you can get a
Treo 300 for $500 - $350 in rebates; the other phones were $0 and $30 after
rebates.  Minutes are comparable to the other companies.

I had to do tech support yesterday while I was at the mall, so I was
checking my regular mail account with SnapperMail, a very nice mail
client.  There were only a couple of mails I needed to read, but I ended up
downloading the other 190 or so messages that had piled up while I was away
for a few hours -- most of them words-l ;-).

It's not clear how much data I'll actually ship over my Treo each month,
but it's times like that that I'm glad I'm on an unlimited data plan
instead of per megabyte.

Pete

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02003-04-06 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> The key to ending attacks on the U.S. military presence will be to win
> the support of the Iraqi people -- which is more a function of diplomatic,
> reconstruction and relief efforts than of purely military ones. If Iraqis
> are not opposed to the U.S. presence, the small-scale attacks are likely
> to be nettlesome but insignificant, military experts said. "Without
> significant popular support, it will be difficult for suicide bombers
> to pose more than a nuisance to coalition forces," said retired Army
> Lt. Col. Andrew Krepinevich, a strategy expert.
>
> But if the Iraqi population turns against the U.S. presence, troops at
> checkpoints and other exposed positions become convenient targets for
> their displeasure. For that reason, said Krepinevich, it becomes crucial
> to start training and vetting Iraqi troops to take over policing and
> other security work. "It would be wise not to overstay our welcome,"
> he said.

These are but wild and whirling words ... It's like when I thought I
had learned English reasonably good and unfortunately picked up some
Beckett play at the British Council Library ... And ever since then
I know when I feel complacent, English is gunno kick my stupid butt

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02003-04-06 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Good. Did you know that "dragging over" often presupposes clicking
> > and holding down the mouse.
>
> No.  I thought it was the term for what you do to make little
> explanations appear under things -- no clicking involved.

Wrong ... that's "hovering". Dragging has acquired this unfortunate
meaning because Windows, if I recall correctly, has very few places
where "free" dragging makes sense. (Which is a pity, since it makes
for a very satisfying interface--you put the mouse in a state with
a click or two, drag freely, then "release" it from the state. The
release should come in two flavors: "commit" the action implied by
the dragging, or "roll it back", i.e. cancel it. Anything else leads
to tense tendons and tense minds ...)

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Try Virgin Mobile:
> <http://www.bestbuy.com/GoCellular/VirginCoverage.asp>.  Looks like they'd
> have coverage for you.

Weird web site.  In the "to find out about coverage" screen I chose
Mississippi, but nothing happened.  I found no place on that page to
tell it to do its thing and let me know.

>  (Better solutions for you might be a voicemail
> account you check, perhaps one with email notification; or a pager.)

But when I'm traveling, I won't have e-mail either.  I do have an
answering machine that I can presumably check from afar, of course.

--
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At 03:10 PM 4/6/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>Natalie Maynor writes,
>
>>Boost is only "parts of California and Nevada" -- I don't know whether
>>the "parts of" goes with both or just with California.
>
>Try Virgin Mobile:
><http://www.bestbuy.com/GoCellular/VirginCoverage.asp>.  Looks like they'd
>have coverage for you.  (Better solutions for you might be a voicemail
>account you check, perhaps one with email notification; or a pager.)
>
>BTW, we're just moving our mobile service from ATT to Sprint, because
>Sprint has unlimited Internet access for an extra $10/month over their
>regular plans.  Sprint's CDMA2000 net service currently transfers at about
>50-70 Kbps, similar in speed to a dial modem (except with a small, or
>*very* small, screen).

Get a cable and connect your cell phone to your laptop.

 > Sanyo site for that cable, if you get a Sanyo 4900 and 8500 phones:
 > https://store.sanyousa.com/osb/itemdetails.cfm/ID/74
 > $29.95 for the cable.

I was told  the speed can be OVER 115 Kbaud,

Betty

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On Sun, 6 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> In 1986, I bought a lot in Sequoyah Hills for my birthday present. It's
>> time to return to the scenario ...
>
>What did you do with that lot?

Made lots of money on it.

Bethany

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On 6 Apr 2003 at 16:49, Tushar Samant wrote:

> I'll think of a way to repair it;

Repair what? It looks fine. Don't be dragged down by lowest common
denominators.

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Betty writes,

>Get a cable and connect your cell phone to your laptop.

Yep.  Although I've been told not to over-abuse that kind of use.

>I was told  the speed can be OVER 115 Kbaud,

Yeah, the spec can do it, but in practical use with Sprint it's more like
50-70 right now.  This may increase later.

Pete

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> I didn't see any captions.  But the pictures were huge -- took up my
> whole screen.  Maybe I should've scrolled down.

I like the huge picture format.

Ann

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At 03:42 PM 4/6/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>Betty writes,
>
>>Get a cable and connect your cell phone to your laptop.
>
>Yep.  Although I've been told not to over-abuse that kind of use.
>
>>I was told  the speed can be OVER 115 Kbaud,
>
>Yeah, the spec can do it, but in practical use with Sprint it's more like
>50-70 right now.  This may increase later.

It's been a hot topic on the RV lists for a while. I don't do it.  There is
some guy trying to get everyone hooked up. Who told you not to
over-abuse?  I'm waiting for wireless to get better and cheaper.

Betty

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > I didn't see any captions.  But the pictures were huge -- took up my
> > whole screen.  Maybe I should've scrolled down.
>
> I like the huge picture format.

I do too.  And they didn't really take up my whole screen.  I realized
when I went back to it that that dark blue bar had been visible below
the pictures the whole time.  I just didn't know what it was.

(Re huge pictures, I don't like them if they're bigger than the screen
-- if you have to scroll around to see the whole picture.  But I do like
them big.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>
>>>LOL. The JOB of a horse is to eat all the time she is not sleeping. ALL
>>>the time.
>>>
>>Not a problem.  You could share a bag of potato chips or something if
>>she's awake, and then she could snuggle up beside you and snooze.
>>Spencer is asleep most of the time when we're sitting on the couch
>>together.
>>
>
> Natalie, have you read _Horses for Dummies_ yet? Horses sleep standing up
> for the most part. And Maria eschews potato chips - she chews only grass,
> hay, Equine Senior, carrots, apples - and horse cookies made of oats and
> apples.


        Don't listen to her.  I know for a fact that horses love
potato chips and beer.  Also Hostess Fruit Pies.




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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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alyce cresap wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>   I think they're bluebells?
>
> Yes, and next year you will have more--they spread a lot.
> Mine are in the sun, though, not shade.


        This time of year the spot has partial sun.  I wonder why
they were dormant for four years?  In any case, the little
flowers are a nice echo of the red bud blooming overhead.
Very pretty.  I'll be glad when they spread.  I like how
this little garden keeps giving me surprises.




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On Sun, 6 Apr 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>> Natalie, have you read _Horses for Dummies_ yet? Horses sleep standing up
>> for the most part. And Maria eschews potato chips - she chews only grass,
>> hay, Equine Senior, carrots, apples - and horse cookies made of oats and
>> apples.
>
>
>        Don't listen to her.  I know for a fact that horses love
>potato chips and beer.  Also Hostess Fruit Pies.

Maria is MUCH better trained than that.

Bethany

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02003-04-06 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@FLEX.COM> writes:
> On 6 Apr 2003 at 16:49, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > I'll think of a way to repair it;
>
> Repair what? It looks fine. Don't be dragged down by lowest common
> denominators.

Thank you, war3zmaster ... I was theorizing that there would
be a way to *punish* the LCD by removing all formatting. But
hey, they are sufficiently punished already ...

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Apr 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>Natalie, have you read _Horses for Dummies_ yet? Horses sleep standing up
>>>for the most part. And Maria eschews potato chips - she chews only grass,
>>>hay, Equine Senior, carrots, apples - and horse cookies made of oats and
>>>apples.
>>>
>>
>>       Don't listen to her.  I know for a fact that horses love
>>potato chips and beer.  Also Hostess Fruit Pies.
>>
>
> Maria is MUCH better trained than that.
>


        Sure she is.




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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-06 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>02003-04-06 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>     You need to run the MAP-prep classes.
>>>>
>>>What's MAP-prep?
>>>
>>       MAP -- Missouri Achievement P-something.  High-stakes
>>state-mandated standardized tests.  School accreditation and
>>funding is in part determined by the results.  April, being
>>the cruelest month, is when we do the MAP circus.
>>
>
> Oh man, exam culture in deepest Missouri! Sheeze!
>
> I need to stop before I ... well here I go, reminiscing. This
> goddam exam culture. To keep it short I will express it as a
> series of bullet points, and name no names. One, aggravating
> kids. Look, I was smart-assed too for a while but I "recognized"
> early. (One-B: infinitely more aggravating parents. Oh my mama,
> you were so much more excellent than those b*****s! And may
> I add that nothing's more embarrassing than an adult hanging
> around the exam hall, holding a lunch bag or whatever, going
> that's my boy there ...) Two, seeing the same kids at every
> "event"--but not a real event, just a test or a prize-giving.
> Three, some entirely too enthusiastic teachers--and here we
> crave Ms Chapman's pardon, but there are teachers who measure
> their "rep" by the number of scholarships etc "they" netted...
> knowmsain. Four, parents of kids you have no desire to be
> friends with acting like we are friends, as if. WTF. This is
> actually of the genus of celebrity-struck behaviour, if you
> think about it, except the context is so pathetic. There's
> a lot more, but one bullet point needs special mention: the
> gradual realization that many of these kids were rich and/or
> "high born" and had entirely different aims in life and points
> of prestige--that can be a hard thing to come to terms with,
> but it's good for you ultimately.


Actually, the entire point of the MAP is to measure my
performance as a teacher and the school in general.  The
kids never even see their scores.




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And now, in the same vein--more pictures you may or may not
have seen ...

"The Best Post-SnowBash Photos Ever"

<http://words-l.org/images/postsnow2002/>

Thanks to BF Clark

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At 07:44 PM 4/6/2003 -0500, Diegetic Mutant Hog wrote:
>And now, in the same vein--more pictures you may or may not
>have seen ...
>
>"The Best Post-SnowBash Photos Ever"
>
><http://words-l.org/images/postsnow2002/>

Thanks!  You get to see some of Alyce's toys and Bad Bonnie smoking!

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Diegetic Mutant Hog wrote:

> <http://words-l.org/images/postsnow2002/>

Good work.  Is the little red square under each picture significant?
It's where the long blue line was on the first batch.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> And what was
> everybody but Rashmi starting at toward the bottom right when Rashmi was
> scowling at the camera?

I believe we were looking at pictures from SnowBash 2 on my computer.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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mem:

> > Excuse me war3zmaster--if I don't unquestioningly FALL IN LUV with
> > every mildly competent CELLIST who comes by, does that make me a
> > bad man?
>
>Not at all. Indeed, it makes you a man of infinitely more will
>power than I. Every cellist, every artist, every linguist. . . .

I've always wanted to be a cellist ...

-rashmi

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02003-04-07 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> mem:
>
> >> Excuse me war3zmaster--if I don't unquestioningly FALL IN LUV with
> >> every mildly competent CELLIST who comes by, does that make me a
> >> bad man?
> >
> >Not at all. Indeed, it makes you a man of infinitely more will
> >power than I. Every cellist, every artist, every linguist. . . .
>
> I've always wanted to be a cellist ...

Thanks, this is a GREAT test of the range of MEM's loserhood--if
it is inclusive of "wanting to be", in particular ...

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02003-04-06 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
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> Actually, the entire point of the MAP is to measure my
> performance as a teacher and the school in general.  The
> kids never even see their scores.

Oh, it's sweeps week! Barf

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02003-04-06 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Diegetic Mutant Hog wrote:
>
> > <http://words-l.org/images/postsnow2002/>
>
> Good work.  Is the little red square under each picture significant?
> It's where the long blue line was on the first batch.

Absence of words is sometimes as significant as words ...

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I love these.  http://www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com/FTFs.html

I think Sylvia has some of 2001. I think she put some on her web page.

Betty

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Look at this:

http://words-l.org/images/snowbash2003/015_13.html

Do these people look like adults? Frankly, they look like
5-year-olds to me. You know when they "discuss" nonsense
which no normal person understands?

Please, no offense, I know some relatively drool-free
5-year-olds ...

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02003-04-06 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> I love these.  http://www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com/FTFs.html

Please do not encourage war3z by visiting the rogue site.
<http://words-l.org/FTFs.html>

Additions welcome ...

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I went hiking today in Great Falls park outside Potomac, MD. The Billy
Goat Trail's not in the same league as Acadia but it was great fun and
tough going in parts. Lots of climbing up and down rocks. It took a little
over 3 hours.

This was the perfect weekend to catch the cherry blossoms.

-rashmi

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Tushar:

> > >> Excuse me war3zmaster--if I don't unquestioningly FALL IN LUV with
> > >> every mildly competent CELLIST who comes by, does that make me a
> > >> bad man?
> > >
> > >Not at all. Indeed, it makes you a man of infinitely more will
> > >power than I. Every cellist, every artist, every linguist. . . .
> >
> > I've always wanted to be a cellist ...

>Thanks, this is a GREAT test of the range of MEM's loserhood--if
>it is inclusive of "wanting to be", in particular ...

Who AXED you???

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On 6 Apr 2003 at 21:25, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Thanks, this is a GREAT test of the range of MEM's loserhood--if
> it is inclusive of "wanting to be", in particular ...

Actually, there is another qualifying factor that narrows the range
considerably. I chose not to mention it in order to conserve words.

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> > I love these.  http://www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com/FTFs.html
>
>Are those still there? I deleted most of the Words stuff in that
>account.

Yes they are.   What a crowd of people there were at the gathering in 1992.
Yikes.


    --bonniev

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On 6 Apr 2003 at 19:39, Betty wrote:

> I love these.  http://www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com/FTFs.html

Are those still there? I deleted most of the Words stuff in that
account.

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>I went hiking today in Great Falls park outside Potomac, MD. The Billy
>Goat Trail's not in the same league as Acadia but it was great fun and
>tough going in parts. Lots of climbing up and down rocks. It took a little
>over 3 hours.
>
>This was the perfect weekend to catch the cherry blossoms.
>-rashmi

How nice for you.   I shoveled three inches of snow off my driveway this
morning.

I'm glad you are getting into shape for hiking in Acadia.  Here's a
description I wrote of a hike you might take in July:

Penobscot Mountain. This is a five and a half mile hike that starts and
ends at the Jordan Pond House. It climbs to the top of Penobscot Mountain
along a stretch of bare granite, providing wonderful views of the ocean and
the island. Start from behind the Jordan Pond House, find the
carriage road to the left of the Pond, follow it until intersection 14
where you will take a left turn and move away from the pond. Start looking
for the trail marker on your right for Penobscot Mountain.
The first two-tenths of a mile from the trail marker is straight up. Don't
get discouraged. You will soon break out of the woods and be walking in the
open along granite ledge. The views down toward the Pond House and Jordan
Pond itself are wonderful. The higher you go, the better the view. We once
saw a whale out in the open ocean while hiking on Penobscot!

Just after you have passed the heap of stones that mark the highest spot on
Penobscot you will see a trail that goes down and off to your left. Take
this short diversion and you will come to Sargent Pond once called "Lake of
the Clouds". This is a nice spot to rest and recover. It's all downhill
from there.

You'll have to retrace your steps to the main Penobscot trail, head down
the mountain, and start looking for the Deer Brook Trail. This trail will
take you down the mountain and to the opposite end of Jordan Pond from
where you started. You can hike the wide, flat carriage trail along the
side of
Jordan Pond to return to the start of your hike.


    --bonniev

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At 09:36 PM 4/6/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>Look at this:
>
>http://words-l.org/images/snowbash2003/015_13.html
>
>Do these people look like adults? Frankly, they look like
>5-year-olds to me. You know when they "discuss" nonsense
>which no normal person understands?
>
>Please, no offense, I know some relatively drool-free
>5-year-olds ...

They are looking at Rashmi's new nail color.

Betty

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At 05:03 PM 4/6/2003 -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>On 6 Apr 2003 at 19:39, Betty wrote:
>
> > I love these.  http://www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com/FTFs.html
>
>Are those still there? I deleted most of the Words stuff in that
>account.

Mem , I always follow you.

Betty

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On 6 Apr 2003 at 20:48, Betty wrote:

> Mem , I always follow you.

Why don't you hop over and let's talk about this T-shirt thing? I
have a new favorite restaurant.

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At 05:48 PM 4/6/2003 -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>On 6 Apr 2003 at 20:48, Betty wrote:
>
> > Mem , I always follow you.
>
>Why don't you hop over and let's talk about this T-shirt thing? I
>have a new favorite restaurant.

Do you have any SARS cases there?  We're thinking Alaska instead of Hawaii
since we can't go to China.

Betty

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On 6 Apr 2003 at 20:58, Betty wrote:

> Do you have any SARS cases there?

None so far.

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> On 6 Apr 2003 at 20:48, Betty wrote:
>
> > Mem , I always follow you.
>
> Why don't you hop over and let's talk about this T-shirt thing? I
> have a new favorite restaurant.

What restaurant is that?

              - D. M.

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In a message dated 4/6/2003 8:02:51 PM, bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:

<< >I went hiking today in Great Falls park outside Potomac, MD. The Billy
>Goat Trail's not in the same league as Acadia but it was great fun and
>tough going in parts. Lots of climbing up and down rocks. It took a little
>over 3 hours.
>
>This was the perfect weekend to catch the cherry blossoms.
>-rashmi
 >>

It would have been, except for the fact that I woke up to a white world today.
Theo

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At 06:01 PM 4/6/2003 -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>On 6 Apr 2003 at 20:58, Betty wrote:
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> > Do you have any SARS cases there?
>
>None so far.

Good!

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At 11:13 PM 4/6/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> > On 6 Apr 2003 at 20:48, Betty wrote:
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> > > Mem , I always follow you.
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> > Why don't you hop over and let's talk about this T-shirt thing? I
> > have a new favorite restaurant.
>
>What restaurant is that?

You just got back.  It's my turn.

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On 6 Apr 2003 at 23:13, Doris Markland wrote:

> What restaurant is that?

Onjin's Cafe.

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Isn't severe acute an oxymoron?

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Betty writes,

>Isn't severe acute an oxymoron?

No.

"Severe" means "of a great degree"; "acute" (opposes "chronic") means
"having a sudden onset, sharp rise, and short course." (m-w definitions)

Pete

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At 09:39 PM 4/6/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>Betty writes,
>
>>Isn't severe acute an oxymoron?
>
>No.
>
>"Severe" means "of a great degree"; "acute" (opposes "chronic") means
>"having a sudden onset, sharp rise, and short course." (m-w definitions)
>
>Pete

Acute to me would be severe, but thanks.

Betty

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At 11:02 PM 4/6/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
The first two-tenths of a mile from the trail marker is straight up. Don't
>get discouraged. You will soon break out of the woods and be walking in the
>open along granite ledge. The views down toward the Pond House and Jordan
>Pond itself are wonderful. The higher you go, the better the view. We once
>saw a whale out in the open ocean while hiking on Penobscot!

I know Adam will want to do this.

Betty

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Loved them, if only I could have been there..... Oh well
Theo

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> On 6 Apr 2003 at 23:13, Doris Markland wrote:
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> > What restaurant is that?
>
> Onjin's Cafe.

Hm.  Where is it?
What do they serve?
Onjins?

          - D. M.

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Betty writes,

>Acute to me would be severe, but thanks.

That's a different definition: "characterized by sharpness or severity".

In medical jargon, "acute" signifies a short, single-event condition;
"chronic" is used for long-term, continuing disease.

Note that you can find references to "severe chronic respiratory" disease
on the web.

Pete

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On 7 Apr 2003 at 0:13, Doris Markland wrote:

> Hm.  Where is it?
> What do they serve?
> Onjins?

OnJin's Cafe
401 Kamakee St.
Honolulu , HI 96814
Phone: (808) 589-1666
Cuisine: Asian , French Bistro




http://www.careerkokua.org/ckt/index.cfm?fa=careerofweek/Chef

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I couldn't sleep, got up and turned on the TV to see the news of
the Third Infantry Division's armored raid into the heart of
Baghdad, footage "exclusive to Fox News".  The commanders forbade
raising the Stars and Stripes -- we come as liberators not
conquerors, after all -- but one swaggering soldier was about to
hoist the flag of the University of Georgia!  I am not making
this up.  Tempted to call and wake Hannum with the news about his
alma mater.

brad

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Natalie guessed right.
Massimo is my "big love".
He wanted to find an effective way to practice his English and I suggested
him he could "use" you all and I could "use" his account to keep in touch
with you as well.
Ciao
L.

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Betty wrote:
>
> I love these.  http://www.arrirang.net.via.tmetic.com/FTFs.html

Nice!  I've got somewhere the group shot of GoatRoast, btw, but I rather
like the cake and logo picture.

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"Max F." wrote:
>
> Natalie guessed right.
> Massimo is my "big love".

Ah, but it was somebody else who guessed you were involved.  My
reference was to Tushar since we always accuse him of another persona
when somebody new appears and says something about wanting to practice
English.

> He wanted to find an effective way to practice his English and I suggested
> him he could "use" you all and I could "use" his account to keep in touch
> with you as well.

Sounds good!

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We packed skis and skiing wax and brought it unused back. Thursday evening we were 17 minutes to late to cross over a mountain plateau before the road was closed for the night. This meant we had to take a 100 mile (170 km) detour through some lower passes. The road which closed has been open all night at other times. It is also now open until 10PM Fri/Sat - to let the locals go to parties in another valley? - hwen the road is open at all.

We arrived just before midnight and once more we found that our cosy log cabin is more than enough heated with a wood stove. (In the summer the cabin looks like this: <http://home.no.net/espenore/sommer99/huset.jpg>) On Friday the weather looked nice until we came out and felt the wind. The road which was closed just before we arrived stayed closed for all of Friday and Saturday because of the wind, so the local store ran out of milk. They had beer, though, and we had broght some wine so there were no problems.

So we spent most of Friday and Saturday working, and we enjoyed very much the peace and the beautiful out through the window. (Once more, it was almost like this: <http://home.no.net/espenore/2001/sornesset.jpg>) In the evenings we switched from the stove to the open fireplace and sat in front of it with our books and some wine. (The inside of the cabin frome some other time: <http://home.no.net/espenore/2001/ingjsopp.jpg>).

On Sunday the wind was calmer and the road over the mountain plateau was open. But this felt like borderline driving in places. It wasn't snowing, but the loose snow was swept up in drifts by the wind which was still very much present. It wasn't like a full blizzard but there was snow in the air, unexpected snowdrifts in the road and sun shining on/through it all. Our feeling on Thursday evening had been that these fools in road maintainance work just closed the road at 8PM because the rules said so and that we should have been allowed to cross. But this was not our feeling after we were allowed to cross on Sunday and saw how easy the road could be filled up with snow drifts. But now in any case the skis go up into the attic and it is soon time for bicycling.

Espen

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09:14 04.04.2003 -0800 skrev Betty Clark:
>At 08:43 AM 4/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>>This time when the headlines flopped out upon my opening Netscape Mail,
>>>I decided to click on one about the best cars of '03.  Even though mine
>>>is an '02, I am happy to be in the Top 25 and to be the cheapest of them
>>>all:     http://netscape.consumerreports.org/ntautos/crauto87.html
>>> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>
>>Has any other wordsler bought a new car in the last three years?  If so,
>>please tell.
>
>We bought a used car.  Janet just bought one that sounded great. I forgot
>what it was. A Honda?

We bought my mother's used car (89 model Mitsubishi Colt) two and a half years ago. And if it passes the EU test this year we plan to use it for another two years at least.

Espen

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14:18 04.04.2003 -0500 skrev Alec D. Plotkin:
>Karen,
>
>check out. It is FREE.
>
>http://www.irfanview.com/

This one is good! I have found it very useful for batch-conversions.

Espen

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12:03 04.04.2003 -0800 skrev Betty Clark:
>At 02:36 PM 4/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Well, Dr. Vu seems to lie. Saw the new pulmonologist today. He is a
>>wonderful and sweet man. He told me that 6-12 months was dreamland, and
>>that it is really more like 2-3. So I wouldn't even live to do the
>>chemo. I was not too surprised, considering how weak and frail I have
>>become. So I cancelled the port installation, the brain and bone scans,
>>and the next appointment with Dr. Vu. I'll sign up for hospice and just
>>fade out gently.
>>
>>alyce
>
>Are you a very brave woman and I respect  your choice but it all makes me
>very sad, too. Can you have hospice come to you?  Insist on an Internet
>connection and get a laptop.

I am very sorry to hear this, and I agree with Betty.

Espen

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>
> OnJin's Cafe
> 401 Kamakee St.
> Honolulu , HI 96814
> Phone: (808) 589-1666
> Cuisine: Asian , French Bistro

Thanks.  That's new to me.

           - D. M.

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19:29 04.04.2003 -0800 skrev Ann Borkin:
>> kind of smell, green beans kind of smell or just a wet rickety
>> wooden staircase kind of smell, or something else. Has anything
>> like this happened to anyone?
>
>Once I was on a sailboat motoring through some kind of canal in Florida.
>I smelled VENICE.
>
>It had been years since I had been in Venice, and when in Venice (unlike
>other people) I was never really aware of a smell.
>
>I can't call smells to memory, as I can images - can anybody?

Yes - the smell of stockfish for example.

Espen

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Adam Hartfield
>Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 5:25 PM
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>
>
>> >I bought my Taurus in October 2001. The SE model cost me
>about $21,000.
>> >
>> >--Adam
>> >adamh1@attbi.com
>> >
>>
>> Subaru Forester 2003 Green - June 6, 2002
>> alec
>
>I'd rather have your car. Wanna switch?
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@attbi.com
>

Not a chance. With the crappy weather we have had recently, a all-drive car
is a must.


Alec

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21:46 04.04.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>B Clark wrote:
>> >
>> >    <http://tushar.samant.com/virup/>
>> >
>>
>> What happened to this?
>
>Try here:
>
>ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/List-Stuff/virupaksha

"Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /docs/words-l/List-Stuff/virupaksha on this server."

Espen

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of alyce cresap
>Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 6:06 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>bonniev wrote:
>>
>> Oh, come on.   Let's hear the side effects of pain patches.
>
>How about Levoquin side effects?
>Or Zythromax--I am taking that right now.
>
>alyce
>

Zithromax works well for me.


alec

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From: "Max F." <m_ferrero@LIBERO.IT>
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Who was it to hit the mark?
I'm so glad to keep in touch with all again, but I can't crowd my mail wity
messages from the list.
Love
Lucia

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Has qny of you ever visited these places?
Will you please give me (us) your impressions?
Love
L

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> At 08:37 PM 4/5/2003 -0800, Betty wrote:
> >It's Br. Paul against Sylvia!
>
> Not only that, the opposing coaches (who are among the top coaches in the
> country) have had reams of copy written about how each one has never won
> "the big one."  So now, one will, and the other will have to put up with at
> least one more year of "why can't he?".
>
> Marquette was dreadful, but most of it was Kansas's fault.
>
> cwv

I was surprised at the Texas game.  I expected it to be closer.  Carmello Anthony was
incredible.  I have my doubts about whether SU can beat Kansas, but they just seem to
get better and better.  There is magic in the way these guys work together and if they
don't win tonight, they will be a force to be reckoned with next year.  It's not a happy day
in Texas - the women lost to UConn.

BrP

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>The first two-tenths of a mile from the trail marker is straight up. Don't
>>get discouraged. You will soon break out of the woods and be walking in the
>>open along granite ledge. The views down toward the Pond House and Jordan
>>Pond itself are wonderful. The higher you go, the better the view. We once
>>saw a whale out in the open ocean while hiking on Penobscot!
>
>I know Adam will want to do this.
>Betty

Adam can wait for a table on the Jordan Pond House lawn.  It could be an
hour's wait on July 4th.  The hike would take about three hours, though.


    --bonniev

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10:10 05.04.2003 -0500 skrev bonniev:
>>What are you paranoid about?  Even if you think people aren't out to get
>>you it doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you.
>
>Yup.  Even paranoid people have real enemies.

I first read this as enemas.

Espen

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I have just finished 'The blind man of Seville'. This and his other "Iberian" books: 'A small death in Lisbon. and 'The company of strangers' are very good. I have also started on one of his African books but they seem much simpler and not so interesting, really.

Espen

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> > What restaurant is that?
>Onjin's Cafe.

A new food place for Bar Harbor this year is going to be a French Fries
place.   Is that something common in the big cities?   I gather they are
going to deep fry various things: potatoes, sweet potatoes.  Something
about being doubly fried.  Sounds awful on the face of it.   But one couple
we know is all excited about it.


    --bonniev

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>It's not a happy day in Texas - the women lost to UConn.
>BrP

Speaking of Texas, one of the Innkeepers in town told us a story about how
she took a five night, two room reservation from a woman from Texas for
next October.   When the phone call was just about finished, the woman said
again that she was from Texas and that was "Bush country".  She then
actually gave a little Texas whoop cry over the phone.   The Innkeeper was
stunned (and a Democrat).  She said nothing.   But the woman persisted:  "I
know not everyone agrees but we are huge Bush supporters down here."  Still
the Innkeeper kept silent and tried to think of ways to tell the woman she
was mistaken and the rooms she just reserved were actually previously
booked and not available.   But she didn't do that.  Now she has the whole
season to look forward to hosting four rabid Texas Bush supporters for five
days in October.  Whooppee.  You'll come back, you hear?


    --bonniev

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17:46 05.04.2003 -0600 skrev Doris Markland:
>> At 06:05 PM 4/5/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>> >Betty wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I have one now for my bed in the RV.   Life is good.
>> >
>> >I have a body pillow. It is Good.
>>
>> Feathers?
>
>Probably not.  To get the feathers someone
>would have to  tamper with a chicken, and
>Wordslers in general have a couple of
>different reasons not to do that.
>
>BTW we used to deal with constant nosebleeds
>with our kids until we found out it was the
>feather pillows causing it.

Eiderdown used to be gathered avter it had been used in the nests by the ducks (so there was no tampering). It was an important business in Northern Norway: people set up small nesting houses and owning land for this meant wealth.

Espen

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In a message dated 04/07/2003 9:04:42 AM Central Daylight Time,
bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:

<<
Now she has the whole
season to look forward to hosting four rabid Texas Bush supporters for five
days in October.  Whooppee.  You'll come back, you hear?

>>

Time to get all the Gore photos she can to put up when the Bush
supporters arrive?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Betty:
>>>Isn't severe acute an oxymoron?
[mr snippy was here]
> Acute to me would be severe, but thanks.

Why would that be an oxymoron?

Wait!  I'll bet you mean a redunant turn
of phrase like (FX:screeching chalkboard)
"nectar of the gods".

Wazzat call'?  A tautology?

--
Richard        practice, practice, practice

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--bonniev:
>Something about being doubly fried.

Isn't that the way <real> french (or
(Belgian, or whatever) fries are made?

Once in the fat to cook them and then,
later, again to get a _finish_ on them?

I have never been to Europe.

--
...but I have a passport.

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20:21 05.04.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
>> I plan to have a dog. I will therefore either find a condo that allows
>> dogs (the Pembroke does) or I will delay having a dog until after the
>
>My point wasn't about their not being allowed.  Plenty of people keep
>dogs in condos/apartments.  But I wouldn't want to.  I think a dog needs
>a yard.

That is why we have a rabbit and not a cat.

Espen

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At 10:04 AM 4/7/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>It's not a happy day in Texas - the women lost to UConn.
>>BrP
>
>Speaking of Texas, one of the Innkeepers in town told us a story about how
>she took a five night, two room reservation from a woman from Texas for
>next October.   When the phone call was just about finished, the woman said
>again that she was from Texas and that was "Bush country".  She then
>actually gave a little Texas whoop cry over the phone.

I guess it's not surprising that The Smirk With Ears would have
cheerleaders in his home state.

cwv

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And I have returned to the classics and have started to read Xenophon along with the Modern Greek.

Espen

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Espen:
> That is why we have a rabbit and not a cat.

...which is also why you no longer
have baseboards.

(Has it chewed through the refrigerator's
electrical cord yet?)

--
Richard, previous keeper of 2 house buns

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>The Smirk With Ears

HAH THATS SO FUNNY ITS FUNNIER THAN SHRUB.

--
Richard        practice, practice, practice

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At 09:34 AM 4/7/2003 -0500, no straight, chaser wrote:
> >The Smirk With Ears
>
>HAH THATS SO FUNNY ITS FUNNIER THAN SHRUB.

...always happy to brighten your day...

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09:38 07.04.2003 -0400 skrev Max F.:
>Has qny of you ever visited these places?
>Will you please give me (us) your impressions?

I visited Ibiza in 1971 and 1972. My (then) girlfriend's stepfather had built a house up on the north coast - near a village where he had stayed in the 1930ies and where we had to walk three kilometres to get to the nearest store or café (the finca was both). I guess that if you stay away from hotel areas etc. you can find nice places, but even more so on Mallorca - it is larger and, I nelieve, greener. (I have just spent one night there, in Palma de Mallorca waiting for a ship to Ibiza the next day)

Espen

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09:14 07.04.2003 -0500 skrev no straight, chaser:
>--bonniev:
>>Something about being doubly fried.
>
>Isn't that the way <real> french (or
>(Belgian, or whatever) fries are made?
>
>Once in the fat to cook them and then,
>later, again to get a _finish_ on them?

Yes, and that is the way aubergine slices are deep fried in Greece.

Espen

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09:33 07.04.2003 -0500 skrev no straight, chaser:
>Espen:
>> That is why we have a rabbit and not a cat.
>
>...which is also why you no longer
>have baseboards.
>
>(Has it chewed through the refrigerator's
>electrical cord yet?)

The kicthen is the <safest> place for our rabbit along with the corridor and the bathroom. But he has done some serious archeaology on the old wallpapers in the corridor - we can see at least four different layers. And there is some plaster used on a brick wall which he has done his best to remove. He was halfway through the cord for the kitchen stove btw before we discovered this and got it out of his way.

Espen

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Thanx Espen, but...1971/2?
I was born in 1971!!!
I don't mean to be rude, but ... I just believe your second experience is
somewhat nearer in time, isn't it?
Love
L.

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Espen Ore wrote:

> >ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/List-Stuff/virupaksha
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> "Forbidden
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> You don't have permission to access /docs/words-l/List-Stuff/virupaksha on this server."

That is indeed strange.

--
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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> That ain't no joke. Don't you know they're delicious? I've had them several
> times; it's  common practice all over the world. It's only in this country
> that people waste a lot of perfectly good food. There! Go ahead, shake your
> head about these insane practices by those *ignurrant furreners*.

    "Ignorant" is right in your case, Theo.  You're in the heart of Rocky
Mountain oyster country - ask around.  And I can personally recommend the
Prairie oysters at the Big Texan in Amarillo.

JMW, indeed shaking his head

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Espen Ore wrote:

> >dogs in condos/apartments.  But I wouldn't want to.  I think a dog needs
> >a yard.
>
> That is why we have a rabbit and not a cat.

Cats need yards, but rabbits don't?

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> I guess it's not surprising that The Smirk With Ears would have
> cheerleaders in his home state.

Also enemies.  I was talking to the president of the MSU Young Democrats
not long ago and learned that he's from Texas.  When I asked him when he
decided he was a Democrat, he replied that it was when he was ten years
old and Anne Richards was elected governor.  I found that an intriguing
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Espen Ore wrote:

> >Once in the fat to cook them and then,
> >later, again to get a _finish_ on them?
>
> Yes, and that is the way aubergine slices are deep fried in Greece.

What about bull testicles?

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 20:52:47 -0600, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>Friday, April 4, 2003, 2:03:54 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
>> Are you a very brave woman and I respect  your choice but it all makes me
>> very sad, too. Can you have hospice come to you?
>
>It's often a more satisfying experience to go to hospice, rather
>than have them come to you. They are really set up to handle
>things that become Huge Issues when you stay at home. (Like
>bathing.) Comparing our experience with my Mom to my cousin's
>experience with my aunt, I think my Mom had the much better deal.
>
>> Insist on an Internet
>> connection and get a laptop.
>
>The one my Mom was in had a direct phone line.
>
>ET #3

I'm a big supporter of hospice and their philosophy.

My mom volunteers for Hospice in CT. She decided to do so after the
marvelous care they gave my stepfather.  He was there for a month.
Originally he went for a respite visit but every time they tried to send him
home, his condition worsened. A month long stay is very, very unusual.

Also unusual is having an entire hospital of hospice beds. The facility in
CT was the first one of its kind in the United States. It's probably one of
the larger ones too.

>From what I understand hospice beds are usually within regular hospitals and
are limited in number. I'm not sure how hard it is to get a hospice bed in a
hospital but, I do know that they are not intended for stays longer than a
week, maybe two.

There are also hospice nurses, which my stepfather had for a while. There
was a serious shortage of nurses available for home visits in the area of CT
my mother lives. They did the best they could do to be there for my
stepfather but they weren't consistent.

For the record, I am by no means bashing them, saying this will happen to
Alyce or saying that it's indicative of hospice nurses nation-wide. I'm
simply reporting on my family's experience with hospice care.

lisa

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At 09:11 AM 4/7/2003 -0500, no straight, chaser wrote:
>Betty:
> >>>Isn't severe acute an oxymoron?
>[mr snippy was here]
> > Acute to me would be severe, but thanks.
>
>Why would that be an oxymoron?
>
>Wait!  I'll bet you mean a redunant turn
>of phrase like (FX:screeching chalkboard)
>"nectar of the gods".

Something like that. I know the difference between acute and chronic.

Are the orange men taking over the streets? I wonder how different they are
from the blue men that were supposed to be there?

Betty

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In a message dated 04/07/2003 10:34:42 AM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
Espen Ore wrote:

> >dogs in condos/apartments.  But I wouldn't want to.  I think a dog needs
> >a yard.
>
> That is why we have a rabbit and not a cat.

Cats need yards, but rabbits don't?


>>

I think Sweetie would be a lot calmer if we still lived in Mogadore
and she could go outside as Siegi and Muffy did.  She has all this
pent-up energy she can't work off in this small apartment.  Even
Brandy had it better in Akron, even though he couldn't go out,
because we had a large house with two storeys and a basement
to run around in.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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>
> Something like that. I know the difference between acute and chronic.
>
> Are the orange men taking over the streets? I wonder how different they are
> from the blue men that were supposed to be there?
>
> Betty

The Jayhawks are blue too.  I can only hope that by the time the day is over they'll
be luer.

BrP

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On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Espen Ore wrote:

>And I have returned to the classics and have started to read Xenophon along with the Modern Greek.

Excellent. That was the first work I read in Greek. I shall revisit Greek
soon.

Bethany

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> Are the orange men taking over the streets?

It seemed like that early Saturday.

Though I suspect it was just their
brightness that made them noticeable.

(Also, some of the Texas faithful had
shirts that weren't exactly the burnt
orange I associate with UT.)

The Kansas and Marquette people just
faded into the background; whether
that was a result of their team colors
or their midwestern taciturnity is a
question I'll leave for others.

--
Richard        practice, practice, practice

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> > Are the orange men taking over the streets?
>
> It seemed like that early Saturday.
>
> Though I suspect it was just their
> brightness that made them noticeable.
>
> (Also, some of the Texas faithful had
> shirts that weren't exactly the burnt
> orange I associate with UT.)
>
> The Kansas and Marquette people just
> faded into the background; whether
> that was a result of their team colors
> or their midwestern taciturnity is a
> question I'll leave for others.
>
> --
> Richard        practice, practice, practice

I suspect the Orangemen fans were celebrating the added joy of being someplace
warm.

BrP

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At 12:58 PM 4/7/2003 +0200, Espen Ore wrote:
>We packed skis and skiing wax and brought it unused back. Thursday evening
>we were 17 minutes to late to cross over a mountain plateau before the
>road was closed for the night. This meant we had to take a 100 mile (170
>km) detour through some lower passes. The road which closed has been open
>all night at other times. It is also now open until 10PM Fri/Sat - to let
>the locals go to parties in another valley? - hwen the road is open at all.
>
>We arrived just before midnight and once more we found that our cosy log
>cabin is more than enough heated with a wood stove. (In the summer the
>cabin looks like this: <http://home.no.net/espenore/sommer99/huset.jpg>)
>On Friday the weather looked nice until we came out and felt the wind. The
>road which was closed just before we arrived stayed closed for all of
>Friday and Saturday because of the wind, so the local store ran out of
>milk. They had beer, though, and we had broght some wine so there were no
>problems.
>
>So we spent most of Friday and Saturday working, and we enjoyed very much
>the peace and the beautiful out through the window. (Once more, it was
>almost like this: <http://home.no.net/espenore/2001/sornesset.jpg>) In the
>evenings we switched from the stove to the open fireplace and sat in front
>of it with our books and some wine. (The inside of the cabin frome some
>other time: <http://home.no.net/espenore/2001/ingjsopp.jpg>).
>
>On Sunday the wind was calmer and the road over the mountain plateau was
>open. But this felt like borderline driving in places. It wasn't snowing,
>but the loose snow was swept up in drifts by the wind which was still very
>much present. It wasn't like a full blizzard but there was snow in the
>air, unexpected snowdrifts in the road and sun shining on/through it all.
>Our feeling on Thursday evening had been that these fools in road
>maintainance work just closed the road at 8PM because the rules said so
>and that we should have been allowed to cross. But this was not our
>feeling after we were allowed to cross on Sunday and saw how easy the road
>could be filled up with snow drifts. But now in any case the skis go up
>into the attic and it is soon time for bicycling.
>
>Espen

Is she drying mushrooms?  What a pity to be stranded there with only each
other and a bit of beer and wine!

Betty

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In a message dated 4/7/2003 8:14:56 AM, rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:

<< Once in the fat to cook them and then,
later, again to get a _finish_ on them?
 >>

Yup, no other way! Yummy :-}
Theo

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BrP:
>I suspect the Orangemen fans were celebrating
>the added joy of being someplace warm.

Yep.  Except for the monsoon that tore
through *right* as everone was lined up
to get into the Superdome, the weather
was great.

--
Richard        practice, practice, practice

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    Evreryone knows they don't exist.

> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. forces near Baghdad found a
>   weapons cache of around 20 medium-range missiles equipped
>   with potent chemical weapons, the U.S. news station National
>   Public Radio reported on Monday.
>
>   NPR, which attributed the report to a top official with the 1st
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>   equipped with sarin and mustard gas and were "ready to fire." It
>   quoted the source as saying new U.S. intelligence data showed
>   the chemicals were "not just trace elements."
>

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02003-04-07 | Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> writes:
> And I have returned to the classics and have started to read Xenophon
> along with the Modern Greek.

I had a flashback to an evening at Jimmy's, long ago ... I was
a student, strictly speaking, but I was pretty out of it--the
general shock of being uprooted from home still hadn't worn
off I guess. People at the table were talking about what "books"
they wish had survived so they could read them. Some woman said
(she had a job), more of Xenophon, that was very interesting!

Silence. Then hard contempt. Xenophon? Who the hell wants to
read *Xenophon*? Then someone weightily says--we always read
Plato's rabid attack, I wish more of the Sophists' side had
survived.

Great ones for amplifying the most current cliche, these people...

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02003-04-07 | Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> writes:
> 14:18 04.04.2003 -0500 skrev Alec D. Plotkin:
> >Karen,
> >
> >check out. It is FREE.
> >
> >http://www.irfanview.com/
>
> This one is good! I have found it very useful for batch-conversions.

Well, it doesn't work for Karen.

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At 10:39 PM 4/6/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>Peter Kaminski:
>= Natalie Maynor writes,
>=
>= >If I could buy a cheap card to stick into a cell phone when leaving on a
>= >trip, it would be a good thing.  Iow, not paying year-round for
>= >something I don't use.
>=
>= Looked recently at Best Buy.  They have Virgin and Boost prepaid phones,
>= starting at around $60.  You have to pay at least $20 every 90 days to keep
>= them active (i.e., keep your phone number and any remaining credit on the
>= account).
>=
>
>Hmm.  I just bought a EUR 49 phone and it came with EUR 5 credit.
>I have to use the phone (make or receive a call or sms, or add
>credit) once every six months.  I think I can add a minimum of
>EUR 10 when next I need some more.  This is the "guest phone" so
>when people come for a visit and then are lost and running late,
>I can find them.
>
>My mobile is also pay as you go, and it's hooked to my long
>distance service.  I can charge it up in increments of EUR 10
>(which is one to two months worth for me) and get invoiced for it
>with the long distace.
>
>Why don't they offer something like that in the States?

cause we suck, remember?

lisa

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A little more detail:
<http://www.msnbc.com/news/895392.asp?0cv=NB10&cp1=1>.

Of course, conspiracy theorists would expect US forces to find WMD after
they occupied Iraq, whether or not they were there before the invasion.

Pete

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= >
= >Why don't they offer something like that in the States?
=
= cause we suck, remember?
=
= lisa

Oh right.  Thanks for the reminder.

:-p

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Yup.  Just like everyone knows that Iraq is the only country in the world that has
them.


BrP





>     Evreryone knows they don't exist.
>
> > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. forces near Baghdad found a
> >   weapons cache of around 20 medium-range missiles equipped
> >   with potent chemical weapons, the U.S. news station National
> >   Public Radio reported on Monday.
> >
> >   NPR, which attributed the report to a top official with the 1st
> >   Marine Division, said the rockets, BM-21 missiles, were
> >   equipped with sarin and mustard gas and were "ready to fire." It
> >   quoted the source as saying new U.S. intelligence data showed
> >   the chemicals were "not just trace elements."
> >

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Max F.:
= Has qny of you ever visited these places?
= Will you please give me (us) your impressions?
= Love
= L

I've been to Gran Canaria - maybe four or five years ago.  We
stayed in Playa del Ingles.  The location of the bungalow park we
stayed in was good enough, but our room was a bit too well used.
Patrick's bed broke, the sheets weren't very nice and we would
have used more kitchen stuff if it had been there.

It was what we expected in a lot of ways.  The weather was great
at the beach, just over 25  degrees with a nice breeze, and then
a bit warmer away from the beach.  There were lots of tourists,
of course, but the place is set up to handle that.  You can
disco/bar hop to your heart's content and still not visit them
all, and there's a gauntlet of restaurants with terraces to
choose whatever you'd like to eat from and sit outside and watch
everyone else.

We rented a car, but we really didn't need one.  The travel agent
had an arranged connection to the airport and we would have been
fine for the week just staying put.  But since we had the car, we
drove around to Puerto Rico, which is where a friend of mine
always goes with her kids.  If you were going to stay up in
Puerto Rico and go down to the beach then you might want one
instead of having to rely on the bus.  Another day we took a trip
around the whole island, but that was too hot and too long.  We
also drove out to the bird zoo in the car, but that too is the
kind of thing it's easy to get on a bus for.

I don't know if it's still true, but then, there was no sales tax
there, so we were thinking about buying a camera.  But the thing
is, the prices were all jacked up anyway, to take advantage of
tourists, so we didn't end up getting anything like that.

The other thing we did was rent a catamaran at the beach, and
that was very nice, sailing back and forth for a couple of hours.

We're not big on beach vacations, but it was very relaxing and
we'll probably do it again as a last minute trip some time.

steph

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If I make it to July, I will have visitors. Just received this from
Doug's wife, Tammy:

I will surely bring the dogs and the Iguana. We'll all enjoy spending
time with you and exploring the beautiful yard. The Iguana's name is
Hercules. Contrary to his
bold name, he is a lay-about, and would rather sunbathe on his perch
than go exploring anywhere. Still the greenery and the humidity will
suit him. You know perky little Zeke, but Guiness is going to steal your
heart. He is a
wonderful dog, possesed of a gentle and sweet disposition, not too
rambuncious. He is also very funny and will charm you with his happy
eyes and big goofy smile. In personality and disposition he and Doug are
very much alike!
----------
Meanwhile, Doug comes a week from tomorrow for a week, and Jeff comes
after that. I bacame a hospice person today, officially. Never have to
pay for any drug or oxugen again. Am getting a free wheelchair for if I
have to go any distance, but I don't need it in the house. I can still
walk well, but not far. I get my hair washed every M-W-F morning, and
small errands done. I am a princess.

alyce
--
alyce cresap, books & ephemera
po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
http://www.alybooks.com
charter member: IOBA
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Yay alyce!  Yes you are a princess.  I've always known that.


BrP


> If I make it to July, I will have visitors. Just received this from
> Doug's wife, Tammy:
>
> I will surely bring the dogs and the Iguana. We'll all enjoy spending
> time with you and exploring the beautiful yard. The Iguana's name is
> Hercules. Contrary to his
> bold name, he is a lay-about, and would rather sunbathe on his perch
> than go exploring anywhere. Still the greenery and the humidity will
> suit him. You know perky little Zeke, but Guiness is going to steal your
> heart. He is a
> wonderful dog, possesed of a gentle and sweet disposition, not too
> rambuncious. He is also very funny and will charm you with his happy
> eyes and big goofy smile. In personality and disposition he and Doug are
> very much alike!
> ----------
> Meanwhile, Doug comes a week from tomorrow for a week, and Jeff comes
> after that. I bacame a hospice person today, officially. Never have to
> pay for any drug or oxugen again. Am getting a free wheelchair for if I
> have to go any distance, but I don't need it in the house. I can still
> walk well, but not far. I get my hair washed every M-W-F morning, and
> small errands done. I am a princess.
>
> alyce
> --
> alyce cresap, books & ephemera
> po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
> 518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
> http://www.alybooks.com
> charter member: IOBA
> independent on-line booksellers association
> selling books since 1963

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In a message dated 4/7/2003 9:26:27 AM, williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU writes:

<<     "Ignorant" is right in your case, Theo.  You're in the heart of Rocky
Mountain oyster country - ask around.  And I can personally recommend the
Prairie oysters at the Big Texan in Amarillo.
 >>

No, Mr. "know it all". That's not what I meant. They are not *common*, and
available in any supermarket, to take home and prepare them any way YOU like
them.
And the "the man on the street" will say "UGH," and look disgusted because he
doesn't shop in the delicatessen department. And fyi, I'm in Idaho now,
that's not in the Rocky Mountain oyster country.
Theo

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>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of alyce cresap
>Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 3:23 PM
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>Subject: July?
>
>
>If I make it to July, I will have visitors. Just received this from
>Doug's wife, Tammy:
>
>I will surely bring the dogs and the Iguana. We'll all enjoy spending
>time with you and exploring the beautiful yard. The Iguana's name is
>Hercules. Contrary to his
>bold name, he is a lay-about, and would rather sunbathe on his perch
>than go exploring anywhere. Still the greenery and the humidity will
>suit him. You know perky little Zeke, but Guiness is going to
>steal your
>heart. He is a
>wonderful dog, possesed of a gentle and sweet disposition, not too
>rambuncious. He is also very funny and will charm you with his happy
>eyes and big goofy smile. In personality and disposition he
>and Doug are
>very much alike!
>----------
>Meanwhile, Doug comes a week from tomorrow for a week, and Jeff comes
>after that. I bacame a hospice person today, officially. Never have to
>pay for any drug or oxugen again. Am getting a free wheelchair for if I
>have to go any distance, but I don't need it in the house. I can still
>walk well, but not far. I get my hair washed every M-W-F morning, and
>small errands done. I am a princess.
>
>alyce
>--
>alyce cresap, books & ephemera
>po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
>518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
>http://www.alybooks.com
>charter member: IOBA
>independent on-line booksellers association
>selling books since 1963


Help is a good thing. I am glad they set you up for help so quickly.


alec

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In a message dated 4/7/2003 1:26:29 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Meanwhile, Doug comes a week from tomorrow for a week, and Jeff comes
after that. I bacame a hospice person today, officially. Never have to
pay for any drug or oxugen again. Am getting a free wheelchair for if I
have to go any distance, but I don't need it in the house. I can still
walk well, but not far. I get my hair washed every M-W-F morning, and
small errands done. I am a princess.
 >>

Good for you. Happy for you.
Theo

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alyce cresap wrote:

>  but Guiness is going to steal your
> heart. He is a
> wonderful dog, possesed of a gentle and sweet disposition, not too
> rambuncious. He is also very funny and will charm you with his happy
> eyes and big goofy smile. In personality and disposition he and Doug are
> very much alike!

rather heartwarming :-) At least in case a mother would like this comparison
of her son to anybody, the dog among them.

> I can still
> walk well,

That is good to hear.

> I get my hair washed every M-W-F morning, and
> small errands done. I am a princess.

:) You are.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> rather heartwarming :-) At least in case a mother would like this comparison
> of her son to anybody, the dog among them.

It is an apt comparison, I am sure. Doug is very puppy-doggish, and I am
a dog lover. And the visit will be my first iguana experience, to which
I look forward.

alyce

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

>
>
>  They are not *common*, and
> available in any supermarket, to take home and prepare them any way YOU like
> them.

    Odd.  I'll be driving past two such establishments during my short drive home
tonight; three, if you count one I'd have to make a left-hand turn to get to.

> And the "the man on the street" will say "UGH," and look disgusted because he
> doesn't shop in the delicatessen department. And fyi, I'm in Idaho now,
> that's not in the Rocky Mountain oyster country.

    Now you're trying to tell me that there are no sheep in Idaho?  Pull the
other one.

JMW

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...is there some subliminal message in this website?
<http://xyyxf.at.tut.by/status.html>

alyce

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>
>    Now you're trying to tell me that there are no sheep in
>Idaho?  Pull the
>other one.
>
>JMW
>

No sheep that are safe.


alec

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alyce cresap wrote:

> It is an apt comparison, I am sure. Doug is very puppy-doggish,

:)

>  And the visit will be my first iguana experience, to which
> I look forward.

It seems to be worth looking forward especially for "Iguana" was written with a
capital initial twice in the original message as I noticed. It must be a sign of
his extraordinariness.

Kristin

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At 03:22 PM 4/7/2003 -0400, alyce cresap wrote:
>  I am a princess.

Yes you are. Here's to July!

Betty

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>...is there some subliminal message in this website?
><http://xyyxf.at.tut.by/status.html>
>alyce

Wow.  That's rather blatant.   Red flashing "stop the war".


    --bonniev

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Only an administrator could write a message like this!

BrP






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Hello everyone,

Due to the potential excessive student exuberance at the end of the NCAA
championship game tonight, E.S. Bird Library will close its doors to the public at 11:30
p.m. Staff are expected to work their regular schedules. Patrons will also be required to
access the building through the card swipe after 10 p.m. this evening.  Signs will be
posted at the entrances.

Cindy Cost
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ok  I just have to ask.  By what circuitous route did you arrive at this site?

BrP




> ...is there some subliminal message in this website?
> <http://xyyxf.at.tut.by/status.html>
>
> alyce

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and the popup ad on the site is for a Byellorussian company.  It isn't often that you
see a website ending with a ".by"

BrP


> ...is there some subliminal message in this website?
> <http://xyyxf.at.tut.by/status.html>
>
> alyce

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In a message dated 4/7/2003 1:55:00 PM, williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU writes:

<<     Now you're trying to tell me that there are no sheep in Idaho?  Pull
the
other one.

JMW
 >>

There are "sheep" everywhere, even on list servers! ;-}

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What's wrong with it?

Betty

At 04:13 PM 4/7/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Only an administrator could write a message like this!
>
>BrP
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>From:                   "Cynthia G. Cost" <cgcost@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
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>Subject:                Closing E.S. Bird Library to patrons at 11:30 p.m.
>this evening
>To:                     LIBRARY@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>
>Hello everyone,
>
>Due to the potential excessive student exuberance at the end of the NCAA
>championship game tonight, E.S. Bird Library will close its doors to the
>public at 11:30
>p.m. Staff are expected to work their regular schedules. Patrons will also
>be required to
>access the building through the card swipe after 10 p.m. this
>evening.  Signs will be
>posted at the entrances.
>
>Cindy Cost
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and follow the link to restaurants in Minsk.  Very interesting.  The first one on the list
is called "Medvezhyi Ugol" (Bear's corner).  It looks like a pretty nice place.

direct link :  http://restoran.gandliar.com/C2256AB700487AED/n/restoran001.html

That plate of shrimp is making me hungry.

BrP





> and the popup ad on the site is for a Byellorussian company.  It isn't often that you
> see a website ending with a ".by"
>
> BrP
>
>
> > ...is there some subliminal message in this website?
> > <http://xyyxf.at.tut.by/status.html>
> >
> > alyce

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I think she made it.

Betty

At 04:16 PM 4/7/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>ok  I just have to ask.  By what circuitous route did you arrive at this site?
>
>BrP
>
>
>
>
> > ...is there some subliminal message in this website?
> > <http://xyyxf.at.tut.by/status.html>
> >
> > alyce

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> What's wrong with it?
>
> Betty
>


Phrases like "potential excessive student exuberance" are just so administratorese.
That and the fact that staff is expected to stay around until 2 am even though there
won't be anybody patrons allowed into the library.

BrP



> At 04:13 PM 4/7/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >Only an administrator could write a message like this!
> >
> >BrP
> >------- Forwarded message follows -------
> >Priority:               urgent
> >Date sent:              Mon, 7 Apr 2003 16:06:50 EDT
> >Send reply to:          "Cynthia G. Cost" <cgcost@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
> >From:                   "Cynthia G. Cost" <cgcost@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
> >Organization:           Syracuse University Library
> >Subject:                Closing E.S. Bird Library to patrons at 11:30 p.m.
> >this evening
> >To:                     LIBRARY@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> >
> >Hello everyone,
> >
> >Due to the potential excessive student exuberance at the end of the NCAA
> >championship game tonight, E.S. Bird Library will close its doors to the
> >public at 11:30
> >p.m. Staff are expected to work their regular schedules. Patrons will also
> >be required to
> >access the building through the card swipe after 10 p.m. this
> >evening.  Signs will be
> >posted at the entrances.
> >
> >Cindy Cost
> >------- End of forwarded message -------

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>Phrases like "potential excessive student exuberance" are just so
>administratorese.
>That and the fact that staff is expected to stay around until 2 am even
>though there
>won't be anybody patrons allowed into the library.
>BrP

Where's evil twin #2 these past few days?  Did your evilness do her in?  Or
was it clo?


    --bonniev

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At 04:30 PM 4/7/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > What's wrong with it?
> >
> > Betty
> >
>
>
>Phrases like "potential excessive student exuberance" are just so
>administratorese.
>That and the fact that staff is expected to stay around until 2 am even
>though there
>won't be anybody patrons allowed into the library.

It made me smile.  How would you describe  the known activities that are
going to happen  whether you win or lose?  Could you say it in a letter?

Betty

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> ok  I just have to ask.  By what circuitous route did you arrive at this site?

>From the beekslayers' list. This is a list for booksellers who are
insane and leaning leftish. I don't think there are any Byelorussians
though.

alyce

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John Williams wrote:
>
>     Evreryone knows they don't exist.

Uruh -- everyone?  The only person I've heard claim that they don't
exist is Saddam (plus some of his various high honchos).  Even the
<dastardly> French made no such claim.  They said the inspectors should
keep looking.

But I'm mightily confused by this report.  I looked at your headers to
see whether it was in the past hour, but it wasn't.  I'm not following
the war news closely these days, as we've already discussed, but I was
listening to NPR in my car while taking Spencer to be weighed to see
which dosage of Advantage was required (he's down from 56.2 in January
to 55.4 -- good but not good enough -- the dosage dividing line is 55).
Anyway, the NPR on my car radio was saying shortly after 4 p.m. CDT that
some suspicious barrels had been found today and were to be tested but
that US officials said that it was quite possible that they were
agricultural stuff.  He went on to say that there was a continuing
effort to find chemical or biological weapons but that so far none had
been found.  Was this NPR person just behind by a good many hours, or
what?  (Like everybody else, I am of course hoping that some are indeed
found, btw.)

> > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. forces near Baghdad found a
> >   weapons cache of around 20 medium-range missiles equipped
> >   with potent chemical weapons, the U.S. news station National
> >   Public Radio reported on Monday.
> >
> >   NPR, which attributed the report to a top official with the 1st
> >   Marine Division, said the rockets, BM-21 missiles, were
> >   equipped with sarin and mustard gas and were "ready to fire." It
> >   quoted the source as saying new U.S. intelligence data showed
> >   the chemicals were "not just trace elements."
> >

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02003-04-07 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> Only an administrator could write a message like this!

She sounds cute.

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02003-04-07 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> A new food place for Bar Harbor this year is going to be a French Fries
> place.   Is that something common in the big cities?

I wonder what happened to the oxygen bar in Lincoln Park.

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I take it, btw, that our troops are now within The Red Circle.  Are they
having to wear their masks all the time?  I guess maybe it's time for me
to quit my news blackout.  But I also think I would probably have heard
somebody mention it if very many of our troops had been killed by the
chemical weapons within the circle.

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02003-04-07 | Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> writes:
> Yes, and that is the way aubergine slices are deep fried in Greece.

The more I hear about this "Greece" place the less foreign
it sounds to me.

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alyce cresap wrote:

>  I am a princess.

Indeed you are!  And the visit by Hercules, Guiness, et al sounds
great.  I wonder whether Hercules is kin to Earl.

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> ...is there some subliminal message in this website?
> <http://xyyxf.at.tut.by/status.html>

Nah.  Must be your medications.  Nevertheless, I'm thinking about
setting that as wallpaper, even though a box pops up in the middle of it
saying that "the layer does not exist."  What layer?  (I can close the
box, though, leaving the subliminal flashings.)

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> Only an administrator could write a message like this!

What interests me about it is why excessive student exuberance would
lead to closing of the library.  Do they expect exuberant students to
race into the library and start having book fights?  Or is that your
point re administrators -- like why didn't she say, "Due to the fact
that students will be more interested in basketball than in books
tonight, the library will close...."?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> I take it, btw, that our troops are now within The Red Circle.  Are they
> having to wear their masks all the time?  I guess maybe it's time for me
> to quit my news blackout.  But I also think I would probably have heard
> somebody mention it if very many of our troops had been killed by the
> chemical weapons within the circle.

Chemical suits are optional, at the discretion of the field commanders.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I wonder whether Hercules is kin to Earl.
>
I don't know. Doug says he is very personable.

alyce

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. I am a princess.
> alyce

Hey, make that 'Queen'.  Queen Alyce.


Hey #2:  there appears to be one already.

http://www.jr44.com/crimsoncrones/bodbabes_visitpdx/alyce_house/alyce_house.html

Hey#3:  go for EMPRESS.  Empress Alyce.

Ann

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 4/7/2003 9:26:27 AM, williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU writes:
>
> <<     "Ignorant" is right in your case, Theo.  You're in the heart of Rocky
> Mountain oyster country - ask around.  And I can personally recommend the
> Prairie oysters at the Big Texan in Amarillo.
>  >>
>
> No, Mr. "know it all". That's not what I meant. They are not *common*, and
> available in any supermarket, to take home and prepare them any way YOU like
> them.
> And the "the man on the street" will say "UGH," and look disgusted because he
> doesn't shop in the delicatessen department. And fyi, I'm in Idaho now,
> that's not in the Rocky Mountain oyster country.


        I had them in Denver once.  They're also in the meat section
of my local Schnucks.




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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-07 | Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> writes:
>
>>Yes, and that is the way aubergine slices are deep fried in Greece.
>>
>
> The more I hear about this "Greece" place the less foreign
> it sounds to me.
>


        I was going to make these this weekend, but couldn't find any
good looking eggplant.




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Did  you know that it's illegal to sell live armadillos in Texas?

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In a message dated 4/7/2003 4:41:07 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<         I had them in Denver once.  They're also in the meat section
of my local Schnucks.
 >>

Denver is in Colorado, home of the rocky mountain oyster, not in Idaho.
If they're in your meat market, you're fortunate. We don't have a Schnucks
alas, either.
Theo

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02003-04-07 | Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> writes:
> >It had been years since I had been in Venice, and when in Venice (unlike
> >other people) I was never really aware of a smell.
> >
> >I can't call smells to memory, as I can images - can anybody?
>
> Yes - the smell of stockfish for example.

I guess I was too busy calling Borkin a b*tch ... I can "recall"
a few smells. Actually I can recall quite a few food smells and
tastes but that probably doesn't count--so I'll say I can always
recall the "first day of rain" smell in Bombay. They say it's the
ground getting wet but I feel it must be composed of more things.
Then there's the smell of new notebooks. Then there is a smell
common to inks (for pens) and overly chlorinated water. There
is an overall Bombay smell also, I think mainly made of bonfires.
All of these are basically pleasant; unpleasant ones are easier
to recall. For instance, ammonia or hydrogen sulfide--these are
pretty recallable. Finally, there are unpleasant smells which
pleasant at a "meta" level--these are all Chicago smells, because
I haven't assimilated them into the pleasant category yet. The
most unpleasant among them are plumbing smells. There's one you
can get a whiff of in any sufficiently old bar north of the Loop.
It comes out of nowhere, once in a blue moon, and almost before
you know it it's gone. Another is, roughly speaking, the trademark
smell of Western Avenue--this one also comes and goes like a ghost
and it's much more pungent. It's not one single place; it's all
along the road. Probably a legacy of its industrial past ...

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02003-04-07 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> If I make it to July, I will have visitors. Just received this from
> Doug's wife, Tammy:

A dog called Guinness has to be a good dog. He is obviously black,
and I think he will be "bitter" in the first encounter and almost
immediately turn sweet.

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02003-04-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> I was going to make these this weekend, but couldn't find any
> good looking eggplant.

I am trying to investigate how to be a K-R-N-style aggravator--
where's K-R-N anyway--and I think one way would be to call you
a good looking eggplant.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 4/7/2003 4:41:07 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> <<         I had them in Denver once.  They're also in the meat section
> of my local Schnucks.
>  >>
>
> Denver is in Colorado, home of the rocky mountain oyster, not in Idaho.
> If they're in your meat market, you're fortunate. We don't have a Schnucks
> alas, either.


        I realize my education is atrocious and I am dismally
unqualified to set foot in any educational institution, but
I do know where Denver is.  So there.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> I am trying to investigate how to be a K-R-N-style aggravator--
> where's K-R-N anyway--and I think one way would be to call you
> a good looking eggplant.

Try "my sweet aubergine" - that's more K-R-N like.

Ann

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I've been wondering about something ever since the Virginia case came up
re cross-burning, which I understand the SC has now acted upon -- has
agreed with the Virginia law.  It's a no-brainer to know that burning
crosses is a <bad thing>, but what I've been wondering about was that
this seems to be about burning crosses on somebody else's property.
Isn't that quite clearly illegal anyway?
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02003-04-06 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 09:36 PM 4/6/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >Look at this:
> >
> >http://words-l.org/images/snowbash2003/015_13.html
> >
> >Do these people look like adults? Frankly, they look like
> >5-year-olds to me. You know when they "discuss" nonsense
> >which no normal person understands?
> >
> >Please, no offense, I know some relatively drool-free
> >5-year-olds ...
>
> They are looking at Rashmi's new nail color.

It's BLUE...no no wait it's PURPLE!

I think I will do my Ph.D. on this picture--for instance,
notice how the vagaries of digital photography in the 00s
has given Marie's right sleeve a very Holbein effect ...

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alyce cresap wrote:
> > I wonder whether Hercules is kin to Earl.
> >
> I don't know. Doug says he is very personable.

I can't remember now whether Earl was known for being personable.  Was
he, Richard?

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02003-04-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>      I realize my education is atrocious and I am dismally
> unqualified to set foot in any educational institution, but
> I do know where Denver is.  So there.

You're lying.

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02003-04-07 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > I am trying to investigate how to be a K-R-N-style aggravator--
> > where's K-R-N anyway--and I think one way would be to call you
> > a good looking eggplant.
>
> Try "my sweet aubergine" - that's more K-R-N like.

Wow, you really do have an adavanced degree in K&r3nology--that
icked me instantly!

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>     I realize my education is atrocious and I am dismally
>>unqualified to set foot in any educational institution, but
>>I do know where Denver is.  So there.
>>
>
> You're lying.
>


        Fuck off, my good-looking eggplant.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>I can't remember now whether Earl was known
>for being personable.  Was he, Richard?

He was extremely personable, as well as
affectionate.

Except for when he got a snootful of female
pheremones or whatever, and got all alpha
male.

Then he was a holy terror.

--
Richard        practice, practice, practice

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alyce:
> I don't know. Doug says he is very personable.

How old/big is Hercules?

--
Richard        practice, practice, practice

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02003-04-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-04-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> >>    I realize my education is atrocious and I am dismally
> >>unqualified to set foot in any educational institution, but
> >>I do know where Denver is.  So there.
> >
> >You're lying.
>
>
>>> I agree!

See how coming clean makes you feel good, my sweet aubergine?

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02003-04-07 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Tushar:
> >> >> Excuse me war3zmaster--if I don't unquestioningly FALL IN LUV with
> >> >> every mildly competent CELLIST who comes by, does that make me a
> >> >> bad man?
> >> >
> >> >Not at all. Indeed, it makes you a man of infinitely more will
> >> >power than I. Every cellist, every artist, every linguist. . . .
> >>
> >> I've always wanted to be a cellist ...
>
> >Thanks, this is a GREAT test of the range of MEM's loserhood--if
> >it is inclusive of "wanting to be", in particular ...
>
> Who AXED you???

I could say something lame about a list post being fair game,
but the truth is I love being a jackass ...

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02003-04-06 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@FLEX.COM> writes:
> On 6 Apr 2003 at 21:25, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Thanks, this is a GREAT test of the range of MEM's loserhood--if
> > it is inclusive of "wanting to be", in particular ...
>
> Actually, there is another qualifying factor that narrows the range
> considerably. I chose not to mention it in order to conserve words.

That's a pretty roundabout way of saying "I'm a loser" ... come on,
what is it?

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> I guess I was too busy calling Borkin a b*tch ... I can "recall"
> a few smells. Actually I can recall quite a few food smells and
> tastes but that probably doesn't count--so I'll say I can always
> recall the "first day of rain" smell in Bombay. They say it's the
> ground getting wet but I feel it must be composed of more things.

Well, there's what I've always heard called the "ozone smell" -- that
smell when it's about to rain -- not always but sometimes.  I can
certainly recall it.

> Then there's the smell of new notebooks.

And yes, there's that smell also -- of various new school things.

> Then there is a smell
> common to inks (for pens) and overly chlorinated water.

Yes and yes.  The chlorinated water smell mixes with Babe Ruths to me
when I remember buying Babe Ruths at the concession stand of Riverside
Swimming Pool.

> There
> is an overall Bombay smell also, I think mainly made of bonfires.

I don't know Bombay, but I certainly can smell bonfires.  And that
reminds me that I've mentioned here before the smell of Woodsmen's Fly
Dope, which is what Tony Nania's sleeping bag smelled like the night we
were beside a bonfire and another couple was running around the fire
naked.  That was on a mountain near Lake Placid, NY.  And I am reminded
now of the smell chasing the DDT truck in my childhood.  And zillions of
other smells.  Whoever said that smells aren't memories?  Of course they
are.

> All of these are basically pleasant; unpleasant ones are easier
> to recall. For instance, ammonia or hydrogen sulfide--these are
> pretty recallable.

And formaldehyde(sp?) in a biology lab.

> Finally, there are unpleasant smells which
> pleasant at a "meta" level--these are all Chicago smells, because
> I haven't assimilated them into the pleasant category yet.

The smell of spices in Morocco.  Pleasant in small doses.  And that
reminds me of the smell of gin and tonics with lime.

> The
> most unpleasant among them are plumbing smells.

For reasons I don't fully understand, this reminds me of the smell of
the grape drink just before tooth-brushing time at Camp Rockbrook.  And
then the toothpaste smell.

I'm wandering down olfactory memory lane.  Thank you!  I'm now
remembering the firecracker smell on xmas.  This could go on and on and
on and on.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> A dog called Guinness has to be a good dog. He is obviously black,
> and I think he will be "bitter" in the first encounter and almost
> immediately turn sweet.

Not necessarily black.  Light brown is just as likely.  And he will be
warm.

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I talked with my <agent> today. He is no longer a fulltime realtor. He got
re-certified and is now teaching English in high school in Blount County.
But he has told me that he will find me an abode before he gives up real
estate entirely. I find it encouraging that Mike has returned to high
school teaching, an activity that he gave up earlier because of the
extremely low salaries. He obviously loves it and I'm sure he is good at
it. He knows Seq Hills, including socially, better than any other realtor
I know, so I am glad that he has not abandoned real estate entirely yet.

We have agreed that I should next get pre-approved - meanwhile, he will
update his contacts, and I will pay off the balance on my one credit card
with charges on it.

Bethany

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02003-04-07 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
>

Well, I don't know what the ozone smell is nor Babe Ruths--never
had them--but spices, yes, definitely. I have quite a few of those.
I especially remember the one when aunts etc came to our place--we
had the "food processor"--with various components and we ground
them all up in whatever proportions, and the aunts took it away
in glass jars or bags. The strangest thing is, I had forgotten
that smell until I took a sip of this "Chartreuse" liquor, and
it came back in full force.

As for firecrackers--of course. We used to call it the "gunpowder
smell". All over the place during "Diwali" when the whole city
sounded like Beirut in the 80s. You know I felt pretty bad giving
up on crackers, because I truly enjoyed them, but at that time it
was a dangerous and child-exploiting industry, so at least I had
the satisfaction of not being an asshole.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

>  I find it encouraging that Mike has returned to high
> school teaching, an activity that he gave up earlier because of the
> extremely low salaries.

Or perhaps he's giving up real estate now because he bombed out at it
and can do better in his old job?  Little Miss Cheerful I am, n'est-ce
pas?  I will of course be chastised for making that inflammatory
comment.

> update his contacts, and I will pay off the balance on my one credit card
> with charges on it.

Current charges aren't a consideration, are they?  In filling out
financial forms of whatever kind, I've simply written "current charges"
in the line for credit-card debt, and that has seemed acceptable.  My
Visa balance is always high since I charge everything in my life.  But
it's not like I'm getting behind in paying it.  It is paid automatically
by bank draft every month.  I assume yours also isn't behind since it
would make zero sense for you to be into the various investments you
talk about if you were paying credit-card interest.  Even in the best
days of the market, that would have been a losing proposition.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> Denver is in Colorado, home of the rocky mountain oyster, not in Idaho.

    Really???  I didn't know that.

JMW

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> As for firecrackers--of course. We used to call it the "gunpowder
> smell". All over the place during "Diwali" when the whole city
> sounded like Beirut in the 80s.

Interestingly we also thought of it as a gunpowder smell, even though
the gunners among us had only gunned against (non-human) animals or
skeet.

> You know I felt pretty bad giving
> up on crackers, because I truly enjoyed them, but at that time it
> was a dangerous and child-exploiting industry, so at least I had
> the satisfaction of not being an asshole.

My brother had a ruptured eardrum as a result of a firecracker tossed
too close to his ear one xmas day.

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02003-04-07 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> My brother had a ruptured eardrum as a result of a firecracker tossed
> too close to his ear one xmas day.

Sucks ... can such a thing be repaired?

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alyce:
> I don't know. Doug says he is very personable.

How old/big is Hercules?

--
Richard        practice, practice, practice

Size queen.

Sandra

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> I know Adam will want to do this.

Oh yes, I can hardly wait to scramble along the bare granite ledge at the
top.

NOT^oo

::shudder::

--Adam
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John Williams wrote:
>
> Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> > Denver is in Colorado, home of the rocky mountain oyster, not in Idaho.
>
>     Really???  I didn't know that.

Of course not.  How could anybody educated in the inferior US system be
expected to know things like that?  I had assumed all these years that
Denver was the capital of Florida.  Idaho would have been my third or
fourth guess.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > My brother had a ruptured eardrum as a result of a firecracker tossed
> > too close to his ear one xmas day.
>
> Sucks ... can such a thing be repaired?

I don't remember what the doctor did.  But I guess it must've been ok
since that was well over fifty years ago, and his life seems to have
gone on.  My brother's, I mean.  The doctor is probably dead now.

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> I think I will do my Ph.D. on this picture--for instance,
> notice how the vagaries of digital photography in the 00s
> has given Marie's right sleeve a very Holbein effect ...

Flawed premise. Not digital photography. Taken with a Minolta 150 Freedom
Zoom or some such 35mm film camera.

--Adam
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02003-04-07 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> > I think I will do my Ph.D. on this picture--for instance,
> > notice how the vagaries of digital photography in the 00s
> > has given Marie's right sleeve a very Holbein effect ...
>
> Flawed premise. Not digital photography. Taken with a Minolta 150 Freedom
> Zoom or some such 35mm film camera.

My degree is in the bag ...

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02003-04-07 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> Size queen.
>
> Sandra

ARE YOU CUTE?!

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On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Or perhaps he's giving up real estate now because he bombed out at it
>and can do better in his old job?  Little Miss Cheerful I am, n'est-ce
>pas?  I will of course be chastised for making that inflammatory
>comment.

If I were guessing - as you are - I might guess that. Since I know him, I
don't have to guess.

>Current charges aren't a consideration, are they?  In filling out

I don't know - but I like to be squeaky clean for preapproval
applications.

I occasionally run an item more than one month. I pay only 6.99%
interest, so that is somtimes a good bet for me, depending on how much I
am saving on a purchase.

Bethany

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I watched tv news (Dan Rather) and have searched web news, but I can't
find the info JMW posted today about the chemical warheads that were
discovered today ready to be fired.  I no longer have JMW's posting and
don't remember the citations.  Now that I'm back <into the war>, I want
to know where to find news of this kind.  So what is the situation?
What is being done re those discovered warheads (I think that was the
term -- I'm stupid re military terminology), and why are they not more
prominent in the news?

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >Current charges aren't a consideration, are they?  In filling out
>
> I don't know - but I like to be squeaky clean for preapproval
> applications.

I would think that at your <stage in life> (like mine), loan approvals
would be pretty much instantaneous.  If you have more money invested in
stocks/funds/whatever than the cost of the house, which I assume you do,
then it's not likely you would have a problem with approval, pre or
otherwise.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2003/04/07/chemicals_iraq/index.html

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I watched tv news (Dan Rather) and have searched web news, but I can't
> find the info JMW posted today about the chemical warheads that were
> discovered today ready to be fired.  I no longer have JMW's posting and
> don't remember the citations.  Now that I'm back <into the war>, I want
> to know where to find news of this kind.  So what is the situation?
> What is being done re those discovered warheads (I think that was the
> term -- I'm stupid re military terminology), and why are they not more
> prominent in the news?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>


--
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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
>
>>A dog called Guinness has to be a good dog. He is obviously black,
>>and I think he will be "bitter" in the first encounter and almost
>>immediately turn sweet.
>>
>
> Not necessarily black.  Light brown is just as likely.  And he will be
> warm.
>


        I know several red dogs with that name.




--
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02003-04-07 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> John Williams wrote:
> > Theodora Groothof wrote:
> >
> > > Denver is in Colorado, home of the rocky mountain oyster, not in Idaho.
> >
> >     Really???  I didn't know that.
>
> Of course not.  How could anybody educated in the inferior US system be
> expected to know things like that?  I had assumed all these years that
> Denver was the capital of Florida.  Idaho would have been my third or
> fourth guess.

You are an ignore-a-moose, it should have been your sixth guess:

  Denver, Alabama         Tallapoosa County  32°59'38"N  85°36'24"W
  Denver, Arkansas        Carroll County     36°23'33"N  93°18'53"W
  Denver, Colorado        Denver County      39°44'21"N 104°59'03"W
  Denver, Florida         Putnam County      29°24'15"N  81°31'37"W
  Denver, Georgia         Heard County       33°11'29"N  85°10'28"W
  Denver, Idaho           Idaho County       45°59'54"N 116°14'06"W
  Denver, Illinois        Hancock County     40°17'26"N  91°06'25"W
  Denver, Indiana         Miami County       40°51'58"N  86°04'39"W
  Denver, Iowa            Bremer County      42°40'17"N  92°20'14"W
  Denver, Kentucky        Johnson County     37°46'34"N  82°51'17"W
  Denver, Missouri        Worth County       40°23'50"N  94°19'21"W
  Denver, New York        Delaware County    42°12'45"N  74°34'11"W
  Denver, North Carolina  Lincoln County     35°31'52"N  81°01'48"W
  Denver, Ohio            Ross County        39°11'35"N  83°03'21"W
  Denver, Oklahoma        Cleveland County   35°13'57"N  97°16'55"W
  Denver, Pennsylvania    Lancaster County   40°13'59"N  76°08'15"W
  Denver, South Carolina  Anderson County    34°34'31"N  82°44'12"W
  Denver, Tennessee       Humphreys County   36°02'49"N  87°55'15"W
  Denver, West Virginia   Preston County     39°22'56"N  79°46'14"W

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02003-04-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
> I know several red dogs with that name.

Red Dog and Guinness are totally different beers

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> > I think I will do my Ph.D. on this picture--for instance,
> > notice how the vagaries of digital photography in the 00s
> > has given Marie's right sleeve a very Holbein effect ...
>
>Flawed premise. Not digital photography. Taken with a Minolta 150 Freedom
>Zoom or some such 35mm film camera.    --Adam

Ha ha.  Ph.D. denied, Mr. Samant!!


    --bonniev

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At 08:34 PM 4/7/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-07 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > Size queen.
> >
> > Sandra
>
>ARE YOU CUTE?!

Yes, she is.  Welcome back, Sandra.  Are you all settled in your new place
in Oakland?  Are you going to Maine in July still?

Betty

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> > Size queen.
> >
> > Sandra
>
>ARE YOU CUTE?!

Hey, Sandra, are you still coming to Acadiafest??  Did you make a room
reservation some place?  Are you still living in your cousin's house?  Are
you going to buy it?


    --bonniev

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At 08:46 PM 04/07/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>What is being done re those discovered warheads (I think that was the
>term -- I'm stupid re military terminology), and why are they not more
>prominent in the news?

Because it has yet to be determined that they are chemical warheads.

Larry

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2003/04/07/chemicals_iraq/index.html

That's basically what I heard on NPR in my car this afternoon (before
reading JMW's posting) and is what I've read in various places.  It's
not what I was asking about.  I was asking about the "warheads ready to
be fired" (not an exact quotation but close).  What I've heard and read
about was barrels of chemicals possibly for warfare.  Nothing in the url
above is about the "ready to fire" warheads.

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At 08:56 PM 4/7/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> > I know several red dogs with that name.
>
>Red Dog and Guinness are totally different beers

Give me Guinness.  Where is Boo?

Betty

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I believe it came from the Reuter's site.

Terry

--On Monday, April 07, 2003 8:46 PM -0500 Natalie Maynor
<natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

> I watched tv news (Dan Rather) and have searched web news, but I can't
> find the info JMW posted today about the chemical warheads that were
> discovered today ready to be fired.  I no longer have JMW's posting and
> don't remember the citations.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Denver was the capital of Florida.  Idaho would have been my third or
> > fourth guess.
>
> You are an ignore-a-moose, it should have been your sixth guess:

You are correct.  I am also a victim of the inferior US educational
system, alas.

>   Denver, Alabama         Tallapoosa County  32°59'38"N  85°36'24"W
>   Denver, Arkansas        Carroll County     36°23'33"N  93°18'53"W
>   Denver, Colorado        Denver County      39°44'21"N 104°59'03"W
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>   Denver, Georgia         Heard County       33°11'29"N  85°10'28"W
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>   Denver, Indiana         Miami County       40°51'58"N  86°04'39"W
>   Denver, Iowa            Bremer County      42°40'17"N  92°20'14"W
>   Denver, Kentucky        Johnson County     37°46'34"N  82°51'17"W
>   Denver, Missouri        Worth County       40°23'50"N  94°19'21"W
>   Denver, New York        Delaware County    42°12'45"N  74°34'11"W
>   Denver, North Carolina  Lincoln County     35°31'52"N  81°01'48"W
>   Denver, Ohio            Ross County        39°11'35"N  83°03'21"W
>   Denver, Oklahoma        Cleveland County   35°13'57"N  97°16'55"W
>   Denver, Pennsylvania    Lancaster County   40°13'59"N  76°08'15"W
>   Denver, South Carolina  Anderson County    34°34'31"N  82°44'12"W
>   Denver, Tennessee       Humphreys County   36°02'49"N  87°55'15"W
>   Denver, West Virginia   Preston County     39°22'56"N  79°46'14"W

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Larry Clark wrote:
> >What is being done re those discovered warheads (I think that was the
> >term -- I'm stupid re military terminology), and why are they not more
> >prominent in the news?
>
> Because it has yet to be determined that they are chemical warheads.

That fits with what I heard about the barrels discovered today, but I'm
talking about the "ready to be fired" things.  I'm obviously confused.
I thought "ready to be fired" meant that they were up and mounted
somehow.

But I'm very happy to see a "Larry Clark wrote" in my mail.  You have
been way too quiet.  We all realize that you've got your hands full
taking care of Bad Betty, of course, but you should check in more often
to let us know you're ok -- that BB hasn't offed you or something.

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02003-04-07 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >> I think I will do my Ph.D. on this picture--for instance,
> >> notice how the vagaries of digital photography in the 00s
> >> has given Marie's right sleeve a very Holbein effect ...
> >
> >Flawed premise. Not digital photography. Taken with a Minolta 150 Freedom
> >Zoom or some such 35mm film camera.    --Adam
>
> Ha ha.  Ph.D. denied, Mr. Samant!!

Wrong, I am on the fast track now. Dr Voigtlander, you
won't be the only one with the Ph.D. here any more ...

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>That fits with what I heard about the barrels discovered today, but I'm
>talking about the "ready to be fired" things.  I'm obviously confused.
>I thought "ready to be fired" meant that they were up and mounted
>somehow.   -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Here is what JMW said this morning.  He didn't give a URL.

 > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. forces near Baghdad found a
 > weapons cache of around 20 medium-range missiles equipped
 > with potent chemical weapons, the U.S. news station National
 > Public Radio reported on Monday.
 >
 > NPR, which attributed the report to a top official with the 1st
 > Marine Division, said the rockets, BM-21 missiles, were
 > equipped with sarin and mustard gas and were "ready to fire." It
 > quoted the source as saying new U.S. intelligence data showed
 > the chemicals were "not just trace elements."




    --bonniev

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At 09:13 PM 4/7/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-07 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > >> I think I will do my Ph.D. on this picture--for instance,
> > >> notice how the vagaries of digital photography in the 00s
> > >> has given Marie's right sleeve a very Holbein effect ...
> > >
> > >Flawed premise. Not digital photography. Taken with a Minolta 150 Freedom
> > >Zoom or some such 35mm film camera.    --Adam
> >
> > Ha ha.  Ph.D. denied, Mr. Samant!!
>
>Wrong, I am on the fast track now. Dr Voigtlander, you
>won't be the only one with the Ph.D. here any more ...

Is there going to be no one left to party?

Betty

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Terry WIld wrote:
>
> I believe it came from the Reuter's site.

Thanks.  I just went there (haven't been going there -- will add it to
my news trove), but this is what I found there:

*****************************
KERBALA, Iraq (Reuters) - U.S. military
officers said on Monday first tests on
substances found in a central Iraqi town
suggested the presence of banned
chemical agents -- but said they could turn
out to be simple pesticides.
....
"This could be either some kind of pesticide," Freakly told CNN. "On the
other hand
it could be a chemical agent -- not weaponized, a liquid agent that is
in drums."
....
The substances under investigation were found in three 55-gallon barrels
and 11
25-gallon barrels, he said.
******************************
from: http://tinyurl.com/91a2

What I was wondering about was what JMW quoted about "ready to fire"
etc.  What does "not weaponized" mean above?  That seems contradictory
to "ready to fire," but then I readily admit my ignorance on these
matters.  Anyway, when I read JMW's posting, I thought it didn't sound
like what I had just heard on NPR in my car.  All of the above does
sound like what I had heard in my car.

--
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At 08:34 PM 4/7/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-07 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > Size queen.
> >
> > Sandra
>
>ARE YOU CUTE?!

Yes, she is.  Welcome back, Sandra.  Are you all settled in your new place
in Oakland?  Are you going to Maine in July still?

Betty

Hi all and especially you, Betty. You were so kind to keep me informed with
all important list matters ... mostly concerning our dear Alyce.

I'm still in Oakland...til the end of April. I think Maine is off the agenda
for now. On the other hand, I will be making the odd trip or so to
Dallas...so, I hope to say Hallooooo to Karen (I got it right, she's in
Dallas, yes?) sometime this summer.

Let's see....it's been a couple months. The biggest news: I passed my real
estate exam on the first attempt. Am doing taxwork thru D-Day and then will
look for something in commercial prop mgmt locally. Am still seeing Dave
(THE man's man) who retired after serving 20 with the Coast Guard a couple
weeks ago. Big festivities and had his family staying with me for that week.
Spent the last week helping him to pack up for Dallas...he's on the road in
a 24 ft truck (he's a pack rat who loves the rat pack). For now, we'll do
the long-distance thing while we figure out what we want to do. All I know
is, after packing all his stuff and him doing most of the heavy work to get
it downstairs and into the truck, all I wanna do is pare down. Next week,
he's flying back, we're doing to Tahoe for a couple nights, then he's
staying with me and my brother and my brother's brood at this house, with my
folks joining us for Easter. So, I'm going to pull together Easter Brunch
and an Easter Egg Hunt.

I'm online via the only phone line in the house....using AOL. Ick. D/l'ing a
zillion posts is a bit of a drag, but I'll give this a go and see how I
manage.

I'm looking forward to catching up with what all's been going on with you.

Sandra
(cute as ever and managing to keep off 130 lbs...I am trying to get back to
my 140lb loss level....maintaining is the real challenge...no surprise
there)

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>>Wrong, I am on the fast track now. Dr Voigtlander, you
>>won't be the only one with the Ph.D. here any more ...
>
>Is there going to be no one left to party?
>Betty

What do you mean?   We'll have a huge wallpaper hanging fest.


    --bonniev

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>I hope to say Hallooooo to Karen (I got it right, she's in
>Dallas, yes?) sometime this summer.
>Sandra

Nope, she's in Austin.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >That fits with what I heard about the barrels discovered today, but I'm
> >talking about the "ready to be fired" things.  I'm obviously confused.
> >I thought "ready to be fired" meant that they were up and mounted
> >somehow.   -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Here is what JMW said this morning.  He didn't give a URL.
>
>  > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. forces near Baghdad found a
>  > weapons cache of around 20 medium-range missiles equipped
>  > with potent chemical weapons, the U.S. news station National
>  > Public Radio reported on Monday.
>  >
>  > NPR, which attributed the report to a top official with the 1st
>  > Marine Division, said the rockets, BM-21 missiles, were
>  > equipped with sarin and mustard gas and were "ready to fire." It
>  > quoted the source as saying new U.S. intelligence data showed
>  > the chemicals were "not just trace elements."

Thanks.  I was beginning to think I'd imagined what he had quoted.  I'm
getting tired of this subject now -- don't much like war -- and will
quit repeating the question of what's happening re the missiles equipped
with potent chemical weapons and why none of my regular news sources
(which really aren't mutant -- they're pretty mainstream) aren't saying
anything about these missiles.

--
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At 10:23 PM 4/7/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>I hope to say Hallooooo to Karen (I got it right, she's in
>>Dallas, yes?) sometime this summer.
>>Sandra
>
>Nope, she's in Austin.

Close enough for Texas.

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--On Monday, April 07, 2003 9:18 PM -0500 Natalie Maynor
<natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

>
> What I was wondering about was what JMW quoted about "ready to fire"

This is at the bottom of the article and there is a reference made to NPR

> etc.  What does "not weaponized" mean above?

The article is talking about 2 different 'finds'. One was the barrels full
of goop, i.e. not "weaponized" and the second was the missles that were
"ready to fire"

That seems contradictory
> to "ready to fire," but then I readily admit my ignorance on these
> matters.  Anyway, when I read JMW's posting, I thought it didn't sound
> like what I had just heard on NPR in my car.  All of the above does
> sound like what I had heard in my car.
>

It was...

> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 10:21 PM 4/7/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>>Wrong, I am on the fast track now. Dr Voigtlander, you
>>>won't be the only one with the Ph.D. here any more ...
>>
>>Is there going to be no one left to party?
>>Betty
>
>What do you mean?   We'll have a huge wallpaper hanging fest.

Thank goodness that I am not qualified!

Betty

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>I hope to say Hallooooo to Karen (I got it right, she's in
>Dallas, yes?) sometime this summer.
>Sandra

Nope, she's in Austin.


    --bonniev

Well, that's where all the hip Texas things are. I'm sure I'll be there at
some point.

Sandra

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> > Size queen.
> >
> > Sandra
>
>ARE YOU CUTE?!

Hey, Sandra, are you still coming to Acadiafest??  Did you make a room
reservation some place?  Are you still living in your cousin's house?  Are
you going to buy it?


    --bonniev

Hey Bonnie!

Not sure what Bob & Becky are going to do about the house. Lots of changes
going on in my family, including my father SERIOUSLY considering moving
(with me mum of course) to Claremont, CA...where my brother and his family
live. They have several very nice stepped up assisted living communities of
sorts...with my mother's ongoing Alzheimer-related issues (she's lost the
ability to comprehend the concept of time for the most part), I think he
wants to be closer to my brother and SIL and grandkids. The weather is much
warmer there...and my mom is almost always freezing these days. I think he
thinks they are a drag on me in some ways....not true at all. Dave seems
very serious about me, but he's been burned before by women and he is acting
with caution (smart move). We've talked about me moving to Dallas but I
wouldn't expect anything soon. B&B are enjoying being back east and ideally
would love a place here in the Bay Area and one in Silver Springs, MD or
thereabouts. Somehow....it just feels like things will fall in place fairly
naturally and in due time. I'm not stressing over all the changes that seem
to be around me. And I don't feel the need to make any sudden decisions.
It'll all fall together ... or not. So it goes. For now, I'm not planning on
AcadiaFest....but things may change. I have relatives in Boston area I'd
like to see (my cousins. my uncle, their dad, just passed away a couple of
weeks ago)...they've asked me to come see them. And I may just do that.

Sandra

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sandra wrote:

> Dallas...so, I hope to say Hallooooo to Karen (I got it right, she's in
> Dallas, yes?) sometime this summer.

She was in Austin, but we're not sure where she is now.  She's lapsed
into silence, leading some of us to believe that she has upped and run
off with one or more of her various lovers.

> Let's see....it's been a couple months. The biggest news: I passed my real
> estate exam on the first attempt.

YAY!  Now you need to investigate the real estate situation in Bay St.
Louis, MS, and tell me what fair prices of houses there are.

> he's flying back, we're doing to Tahoe for a couple nights, then he's
> staying with me and my brother and my brother's brood at this house, with my
> folks joining us for Easter. So, I'm going to pull together Easter Brunch
> and an Easter Egg Hunt.

This all sounds fun.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> I watched tv news (Dan Rather) and have searched web news, but I can't
> find the info JMW posted today about the chemical warheads that were
> discovered today ready to be fired.  I no longer have JMW's posting
and
> don't remember the citations.  Now that I'm back <into the war>, I
want
> to know where to find news of this kind.  So what is the situation?
> What is being done re those discovered warheads (I think that was the
> term -- I'm stupid re military terminology), and why are they not more
> prominent in the news?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

You can go to Yahoo.  It's still listed
as one of today's main stories.

                - D. M.

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02003-04-07 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 08:34 PM 4/7/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-04-07 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> >> Size queen.
> >>
> >> Sandra
> >
> >ARE YOU CUTE?!
>
> Yes, she is.

I don't recall axing you but I accept this!

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At 09:54 PM 4/7/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-07 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 08:34 PM 4/7/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >02003-04-07 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
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> > >>
> > >> Sandra
> > >
> > >ARE YOU CUTE?!
> >
> > Yes, she is.
>
>I don't recall axing you but I accept this!

No problem.  Thanks for putting Alyce photos up. They look better than what
I sent you.

Betty

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> other smells.  Whoever said that smells aren't memories?  Of course they
> are.

I said I can't remember smells the way I can remember sights and sounds.
When I dream, I never dream a smell unless there is a REAL smell prompting
me.  I can close my eyes and imagine/remember colors, shapes, pictures,
etc., but although I have a 'mind's eye' I don't have a 'mind's' nose.

The way I remember smells is rather literary and general - acrid, sweet,
foul etc. but I'm not near SMELLING them as I remember them, not like I'm
near SEEING things as I remember them.

Of course I remember on some level, otherwise how would I be able to say x
smells like y when I'm smelling x.  And I remember the crisp sweet
tartness of an apple, for example, it's just I don't really taste it when
I remember it. (oh I'm mixing smell and taste but it's the same for both,
for me)

Ann

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On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> in glass jars or bags. The strangest thing is, I had forgotten
> that smell until I took a sip of this "Chartreuse" liquor, and
> it came back in full force.

because they smelled the same or similar, right?  But would a different
smell come back to you in full force, evoked by another smell?  I mean, of
two very different smells, would one remind you of the other and bring it
back 'full force'?

Ann

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Burning leaves.  I like that smell.  We used to be able to burn in Montana.

Betty

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In a message dated 4/7/2003 6:16:24 PM, williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU writes:

<< Theodora Groothof wrote:

> Denver is in Colorado, home of the rocky mountain oyster, not in Idaho.

    Really???  I didn't know that.

JMW
 >>

Doesn't that explain my low esteem of the American educational system? No
need to answer that! :-} Theo

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02003-04-07 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > Denver was the capital of Florida.  Idaho would have been my third or
> > > fourth guess.
> >
> > You are an ignore-a-moose, it should have been your sixth guess:
>
> You are correct.  I am also a victim of the inferior US educational
> system, alas.

Educational system? I personally think it's the food. Americans
waste an incredible amount of food, especially cartilage and bone
marrow. That's what arrests their brain development and enhances
the liar instinct.

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02003-04-07 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > in glass jars or bags. The strangest thing is, I had forgotten
> > that smell until I took a sip of this "Chartreuse" liquor, and
> > it came back in full force.
>
> because they smelled the same or similar, right?

How else to find out but to sip it? Which I am doing right now
because there was, as a matter of fact, some left. THANK YOU
BORKIN!

Yes, it has a similar smell. It is basically "sweet" and the
spices have a "savory" basis; yet, the dried-leaves-and-a-bit-
of-earth feeling is there. It's the plant kingdom in a bottle
taste, same as those spices.

> But would a different smell come back to you in full force, evoked
> by another smell?  I mean, of two very different smells, would one
> remind you of the other and bring it back 'full force'?

It could in theory, na'mean? If you allow "non-smell" channels
to intervene--associations from another domain, memory of spatial
or temporal proximity of two smells etc. A smell "purely" reminding
you of another--I think that happens too, but it is probably like
these wine guys finding cloves and vanilla and crap in what they
drink. They are convinced, and of curse there is a truth to it,
but it is completely subjective and of no use to anyone else.

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02003-04-07 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> Burning leaves.  I like that smell.  We used to be able to burn in Montana.

I shouldn't have said bonfires, I should have said burning leaves.
That's what they do in Bombay.

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08:24 07.04.2003 -0700 skrev John Williams:
>Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
>> That ain't no joke. Don't you know they're delicious? I've had them several
>> times; it's  common practice all over the world. It's only in this country
>> that people waste a lot of perfectly good food. There! Go ahead, shake your
>> head about these insane practices by those *ignurrant furreners*.
>
>    "Ignorant" is right in your case, Theo.  You're in the heart of Rocky
>Mountain oyster country - ask around.  And I can personally recommend the
>Prairie oysters at the Big Texan in Amarillo.

I've had Praire oysters in a Chinese restaurant in Toronto.

Espen

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10:34 07.04.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
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>
>> >dogs in condos/apartments.  But I wouldn't want to.  I think a dog needs
>> >a yard.
>>
>> That is why we have a rabbit and not a cat.
>
>Cats need yards, but rabbits don't?

The rabbit would love a yard, I am sure, but he is not a hunter built for taking long walks around his territory. But yes again, we do walk him in the park.

Espen

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10:36 07.04.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Espen Ore wrote:
>
>> >Once in the fat to cook them and then,
>> >later, again to get a _finish_ on them?
>>
>> Yes, and that is the way aubergine slices are deep fried in Greece.
>
>What about bull testicles?

I haven't had them in Greece, and I would expect ram testicles as more common. And probably not deep fried.

Espen

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13:08 07.04.2003 -0400 skrev Bethany K. Dumas:
>On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Espen Ore wrote:
>
>>And I have returned to the classics and have started to read Xenophon along with the Modern Greek.
>
>Excellent. That was the first work I read in Greek. I shall revisit Greek
>soon.

Yes, the first I read was Anabasis. Now I have been looking into Memorabilia, just to get into the classic Attic after concentrating rather heavily on Modern Greek.

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10:31 07.04.2003 -0700 skrev Betty Clark:

>Is she drying mushrooms?  What a pity to be stranded there with only each
>other and a bit of beer and wine!

Yes, she is (was) drying mushrooms. And to add to the felling of pity this time we also had some good food etc.

Espen

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Espen Ore wrote:

> 13:08 07.04.2003 -0400 skrev Bethany K. Dumas:
>
>>On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Espen Ore wrote:
>>
>>
>>>And I have returned to the classics and have started to read Xenophon along with the Modern Greek.
>>>
>>Excellent. That was the first work I read in Greek. I shall revisit Greek
>>soon.
>>
>
> Yes, the first I read was Anabasis. Now I have been looking into Memorabilia, just to get into the classic Attic after concentrating rather heavily on Modern Greek.
>


        I think that's the typical first text.




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I liked having the sun up at this time.  Made it so much
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Doris Markland wrote:

> You can go to Yahoo.  It's still listed
> as one of today's main stories.

But your today of last night is yesterday this morning.  Just checked
and can't find it there.  That's ok, though.  I think my ignoring of war
things was probably a good idea and that I should return to that
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Betty wrote:
>
> Burning leaves.  I like that smell.  We used to be able to burn in Montana.

Even non-burning leaves.  I'm now remembering the smell of the leaves
when jumping in leafpiles.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> I liked having the sun up at this time.  Made it so much
> easier to be awake this early.  I've never been a morning
> person.

I am a morning person, but I still like having the sun up early.  I
preferred last week to this week re the sun's behavior.  It doesn't
help, of course, that the past couple of days have been majorly cloudy.

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On Sun, 6 Apr 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> I don't think you should take us as seriously as you do.

Thanks for the explanation. I find that the website warning is right -
y'all <are> hard on newbies, partly because smartass comments and true
anger look alike online. A couple of times I have thought people were
joking and then found that they were sincerely furious about something.

> As for me, I just made a smartass comment late at night.  I mostly make
> smartass comments on this Service; in real life I am so fucking NICE it
> takes its toll, see, so this is my stupid smartass outlet.

Whereas I am nowhere near as nice in real life as I am online. It's all an
evil act. Bwahahaha.

In truth, I was not as upset as I appeared to be. When I do become <very>
pissed off or otherwise very emotional, I generally take it backchannel.

Thanks for the straight talk, though. It's helpful.

clo

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On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Espen Ore wrote:

> The rabbit would love a yard, I am sure, but he is not a hunter built
>for taking long walks around his territory. But yes again, we do walk him
>in the park.
>
> Espen

My sister who is moving from Kiln MS has rabbits which have a run in the
back yard, as well as a fenced in yard to hang in. It seemed odd to me,
but then when we inherited one, it was a house rabbit.

clo

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On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> > I was going to make these this weekend, but couldn't find any
> > good looking eggplant.
>
> I am trying to investigate how to be a K-R-N-style aggravator--
> where's K-R-N anyway--and I think one way would be to call you
> a good looking eggplant.
>

I exhausted her patience this weekend.
clo

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On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> >
> > Only an administrator could write a message like this!
>
> What interests me about it is why excessive student exuberance would
> lead to closing of the library.  Do they expect exuberant students to
> race into the library and start having book fights?  Or is that your
> point re administrators -- like why didn't she say, "Due to the fact
> that students will be more interested in basketball than in books
> tonight, the library will close...."?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

It faces Fraternity Row, and is only a block from the street of bars where
the treeclimbing and other absurdities occur.

clo

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I would be inclined to express it in simpler terms and I thought it was silly that if they
were closing the library they didn't send employees home as well.  All of the staff
that is on at that time of night is public service staff anyway.  I suppose they didn't
want to get into the mess of paying a few people for hours they didn't work.

There were about 10,000 people jamming the streets - many of them drunk.  There
was some damage to trees, but all in all it really wasn't too bad.  If Syracuse had
lost, I suspect the damage would have been more significant.  I think closing the
library (nobody could have gotten through the crowd anyway) was a good idea, but I
wonder why they didn't think about it until a few hours before game time.  They have
known since Saturday night what the game time would be.

BrP

> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> >
> > Only an administrator could write a message like this!
>
> What interests me about it is why excessive student exuberance would
> lead to closing of the library.  Do they expect exuberant students to
> race into the library and start having book fights?  Or is that your
> point re administrators -- like why didn't she say, "Due to the fact
> that students will be more interested in basketball than in books
> tonight, the library will close...."?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> Hey, make that 'Queen'.  Queen Alyce.
>
> Hey #2:  there appears to be one already.
>
> http://www.jr44.com/crimsoncrones/bodbabes_visitpdx/alyce_house/alyce_house.html

It is next to unbelievable that such a house exists. And that a person exists who
lives and arranges things there. But because it is Alyce who has arranged all that,
I am able to believe :-)

I've seen other pictures earlier but not these particular ones. I certainly have not
seen the ceiling in the dining room -- o! O!

Kristin

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...is the library still standing?  Great game.

cwv

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> ...is the library still standing?  Great game.
>
> cwv


It is.  I'm actually surprised that there is so little real damage around campus.  It could
have been much much worse.  My feeling about the game was that it just doesn't get
much better than this.  Both teams played full out but did it without it becoming a street
brawl.  I credit the coaches with setting the tone of competition that didn't sacrifice
friendship and friendship that didn't sacrifice competition.  It's not an easy balance and a
lesson that I think is at least as valuable as the specific skills of the game.  I hope
Anthony does stay for another year.  I fear that the message of a young team being so
successful is that a college education is irrelevant.  Carmelo is a role model for a lot of
young kids. His talent will carry him a long way with or without a degree, but how many
who try to emulate him will get the wrong message?

The NCAA should not become just a farm system for the NBA.  Perhaps they should
institute a rule that any player who copetes in the NCAA is not eligible for professional
sports until the date when they would have graduated.  Hmmm.  I'll have to think about
that.




Paul

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>I liked having the sun up at this time.  Made it so much
>easier to be awake this early.  I've never been a morning
>person.   --Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Good for you.  Why don't you drop by our house first thing each morning and
feed this damn cat who thinks sun-up means breakfast.


    --bonniev

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> > I am trying to investigate how to be a K-R-N-style aggravator--
> > where's K-R-N anyway--and I think one way would be to call you
> > a good looking eggplant.
>
>I exhausted her patience this weekend.
>clo

What exactly did you do that drove her away from words-l ?


    --bonniev

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BrP:
> The NCAA should not become just a farm system for the NBA.

You mean it isn't?

>institute a rule that any player who copetes in the NCAA
>is not eligible for professional sports until the date
>when they would have graduated.

There _was_ a rule like that.  The first person
to successfully escape from the plantation was
named Spencer Haywood.

>Hmmm.  I'll have to think about

Think about anti-trust laws, collusion, and
denying an adult citizen the right to earn a
living as he or she chooses.

--
Richard            seraph

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At 09:19 AM 4/8/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>The NCAA should not become just a farm system for the NBA.  Perhaps they
>should
>institute a rule that any player who copetes in the NCAA is not eligible
>for professional
>sports until the date when they would have graduated.  Hmmm.  I'll have to
>think about
>that.

If I remember correctly, once upon a time there was such a rule---either in
pro basketball or pro football, maybe both.  In pro BB, certain exceptions
were granted for "hardship" cases.  Some undergraduate college player
threatened to challenge the rule in the courts and the pro league backed down.

Basketball and football are the only major pro sports who use, or at least
treat, the collegiate level as a farm system; baseball has its minor league
system,  hockey has its junior system (at least in Canada---don't know
about Europe), and soccer has a similar system.

cwv

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At 09:42 AM 4/8/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

>If I remember correctly, once upon a time there was such a rule---either in
>pro basketball or pro football, maybe both.  In pro BB, certain exceptions
>were granted for "hardship" cases.  Some undergraduate college player
>threatened to challenge the rule in the courts and the pro league backed down.

Richard had the answer---Haywood.

cwv

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I know none of this is a new issue and minds far more clever and informed than mine
have worked on it.  I just hate to see the play for one year and go pro phenomenon gain
any more acceptance.  Some scholarship players really are out to get an education in a
field other than their sport and some are not.

 More random thinking about this off the top of my head:

  What would be wrong with creating an academic department of sports performance or
something like that.  If the purpose of an education is to train you for a future career,
and NCAA's best players go on to NBA careers based on what they learn as sports
performers, why not recognize that with a degree and focus on that as a major?


BrP



> At 09:42 AM 4/8/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>
> >If I remember correctly, once upon a time there was such a rule---either in
> >pro basketball or pro football, maybe both.  In pro BB, certain exceptions
> >were granted for "hardship" cases.  Some undergraduate college player
> >threatened to challenge the rule in the courts and the pro league backed down.
>
> Richard had the answer---Haywood.
>
> cwv

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:

> Think about anti-trust laws, collusion, and
> denying an adult citizen the right to earn a
> living as he or she chooses.

It would be a bad situation for some players.  I'm thinking now about
Dontae Jones, our star from the Final Four year.  Supposedly he just
barely lasted through his one season here as an eligible player, based
on a bunch of junior college grades that got his GPA high enough to
play.  Nobody was sad to see him head on to the pros at the end of that
season since it was well known that he had no chance at all of playing
another season.  He hadn't been to any classes that last semester.  (I
don't know whatever became of him.  He was drafted by the NY Somebodies,
but I haven't heard anything about him since then.)

But this returns us to my thoughts I've mentioned before about making
things like taking courses optional for college athletes.  I think it
makes sense to quit pretending that education is their main objective in
being in school and to consider them simply hired
entertainers/fundraisers for the school, with a fringe benefit of the
opportunity to take courses free and get a degree since there are
clearly some athletes who do want to do that.

Going to the dentist is so boring.  I'll be glad when it gets closer to
9:30 so I can go on and leave and get it behind me so that I can get on
with the day.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Dontae still exists:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/Dontae'.Jones/

He's a "small forward" in Boston.  What's a "small forward" -- a forward
who isn't large?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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LOL

BrP



> Going to the dentist is so boring.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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I had them in Lebanon.  They were broiled I think.  They told us what they were only
after we had eaten them.  I thought they were little chunks of liver.

BrP



>
> I haven't had them in Greece, and I would expect ram testicles as more common. And probably not deep fried.
>
> Espen

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bonniev wrote:

> > > I am trying to investigate how to be a K-R-N-style aggravator--
> > > where's K-R-N anyway--and I think one way would be to call you
> > > a good looking eggplant.
> >
> >I exhausted her patience this weekend.
> >clo
>
> What exactly did you do that drove her away from words-l ?
>
>     --bonniev

I guess I should've used an emoticon wink when I said it?

Actually, she did tell me that she is taking a breather from Words-L,
but not that I am a troublemaker. I put that part in to seem more
interesting and important - you know how I am!
clo

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of clyde w. voigtlander
>Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 9:01 AM
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>
>
>...is the library still standing?  Great game.
>
>cwv
>

Jim Boeheim finally coaches a winner. Syracuse played well.



alec

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At 10:01 AM 4/8/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>I know none of this is a new issue and minds far more clever and informed
>than mine
>have worked on it.  I just hate to see the play for one year and go pro
>phenomenon gain
>any more acceptance.

For better or worse, I think that it already is fully accepted.  The ironic
thing is that back when freshmen were ineligible for varsity sports, a
major argument for  eliminating that rule was that the coaches and
university spent a whole year teaching a player (as an ineligible
freshman), then got only one year of performance before then the player
left.  So now, they still only get one year.

It could be that as the AAU program continues to expand (the summer
leagues), more players will go directly from high school and the AAU summer
program to the pros.  That may slightly reduce the "one year and gone"
phenomenon, but I suspect that the four-year stars will become increasingly
rare.

cwv

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= > >
= > > Ha ha.  Ph.D. denied, Mr. Samant!!
= >
= >Wrong, I am on the fast track now. Dr Voigtlander, you
= >won't be the only one with the Ph.D. here any more ...
=
= Is there going to be no one left to party?
=
= Betty

Just me.

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Did I say I was going to a Bored Meeting? I was going to a Bored
Meeting, in San Antonio; but I routed myself through Austin in a
cleverly disguised ploy to plague additional Words-lers and to
permit me to investigate the ET phenomenon. I did spend Friday
afternoon with Karen, spinning wool and spinning "yarns", and
she and I ate at a Vietnamese restaurant - Sunflower Garden,
maybe? - that served some of the best food I have ever eaten.

Driving around Austin was a trip. I had forgotten how beautiful
it is in the spring, and nearly 25 years melted away as I was
guided past landmarks that had been familiar back then - Zilker
Park, Lamar Drive, etc.

The only break from board tedium was a ride through the
Riverwalk on a tour boat (the board pres is partial to that type
of thing), which actually was a nice chance to breathe fresh air
and listen to birds. San Antonio's center city struck me as being
well designed for the tourist, full of lovely small delights - an
architectural detail here, a small shop there - not as charming as
 Newport, but also not as self-conscious.

After my charitable obligations were fulfilled, I returned to Austin.
(This is Sunday afternoon). A friend from the board had missed
her flight back to Bangor, and came with me because she had a
friend there with whom she could stay while stranded. The friend
is a PT, and taught me more in a 20 minute conversation about
why I suffer from back pain and how to alleviate it than doctors
and chiropractors have in years of tedious and expensive visits.

Once my friend was settled in, I met Karen at the Magnolia Cafe
for supper, and we again had a long conversation. By then I had
read email on Saturday evening, including Alyce's updates (Karen
had known by the time I met her on Friday, but I didn't know the
details yet). So there was a lot of serious talk about relationships
online and in real life, not the kind of stuff one can easily make
into a charming vignette.

I had, of course, planned on NY being cooler than TX, but
I had no idea what awaited me - two inch coating of ice on my
car, dead battery, and ride back from Albany (it was cheaper
to fly from Albany to Austin than from Syracuse to San Antonio)
through snow. Due to weather delays leaving Houston and
Detroit, I drove home later than planned, and arrived in Syracuse
radio range just in time to hear the last 3 minutes of the game.
Paul, I am probably more of a basketball fan than you, but my
goodness, I would gladly forego it if we could keep the kids
out of the trees. It was nuts at our house all night.

Vance said it was subdued compared to Friday, when you
could hear Marshall St at our house, a mile away.

clo

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Natalie:
> It would be a bad situation for some players.

So what?

They're 18, aren't they?

--
Richard            seraph

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On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> I've seen other pictures earlier but not these particular ones. I certainly have not
> seen the ceiling in the dining room -- o! O!

This is a different Alyce, Kristin - at least as far as I know...

Ann

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On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> you of another--I think that happens too, but it is probably like
> these wine guys finding cloves and vanilla and crap in what they
> drink. They are convinced, and of curse there is a truth to it,
> but it is completely subjective and of no use to anyone else.

It's of use to them; and around here there are a lot of them.  Sometimes I
-get it- but usually I don't.  I think they are trained so it is NOT
completely subjective.

Here's where I bring up the similarity between skunk and coffee smells.
Why, I don't know; but here's where I bring it up again!

Ann

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Clo, did you get to see fields and fields of bluebonnets?

Thanks for the whtm.  You didn't get to see "the cat"?

Betty

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At 04:55 PM 4/8/2003 +0200, whimsy wrote:
>= > >
>= > > Ha ha.  Ph.D. denied, Mr. Samant!!
>= >
>= >Wrong, I am on the fast track now. Dr Voigtlander, you
>= >won't be the only one with the Ph.D. here any more ...
>=
>= Is there going to be no one left to party?
>=
>= Betty
>
>Just me.

All right!!

Betty

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Betty Clark wrote:

> Clo, did you get to see fields and fields of bluebonnets?
>
> Thanks for the whtm.  You didn't get to see "the cat"?
>
> Betty

Betty,
Yes, I did see bluebonnets in abundance, as well as poppies and
fields of  paintbrush. I did miss seeing the cat - my friend's
dilemma took too much time.

clo

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> ...is the library still standing?  Great game.
>
> cwv

Let me get in a congrats to Br Paul before I read the rest of the
messages.  It was indeed a fine game, and I am so happy for
Boeheim and his foxy wife and the team.  As we watched, Daddy
kept commenting on the lack of discipline on the floor and how
UKy could have beat either one of those teams.  The Kansas
comeback was gritty, despite the free-throw lameness, but all the
garlands belong to Syracuse.  Excelsior!

brad

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> I liked having the sun up at this time.  Made it so much
> easier to be awake this early.  I've never been a morning
> person.

I am a morning person, but I still like having the sun up early.  I
preferred last week to this week re the sun's behavior.  It doesn't
help, of course, that the past couple of days have been majorly cloudy.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I have always been more of a night owl which made getting to school and work
a challenge. The bedroom that I sleep in, in this home I'm housesitting in
(at B&B's) faces east...so, I get a real eyeful in the mornings.
Surprisingly, I like it. I rise naturally about 7am each day for the first
time in my life. I go to sleep somewhere between 10 and 11pm...about an hour
earlier than I do when I am in my place in SF. Even on a cloudy day, so much
light hits the window, I find it easier to, errr, rise to the occasion.

Sandra

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> Let me get in a congrats to Br Paul before I read the rest of the
> messages.  It was indeed a fine game, and I am so happy for
> Boeheim and his foxy wife and the team.  As we watched, Daddy
> kept commenting on the lack of discipline on the floor and how
> UKy could have beat either one of those teams.  The Kansas
> comeback was gritty, despite the free-throw lameness, but all the
> garlands belong to Syracuse.  Excelsior!
>
> brad

Thank you Brad
You're right about Julie B  She is foxy.  I loved the camrera shot of Rony Seikaly in
the audience at the end of the game.  As Boeheim said "I think the building owed us
one."

BrP

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Brad:
> UKy could have beat either one of those teams.

On the subject of SEC champion t-shirts and
other UKy premature ejaculations, two weeks
ago, the Lexington newspaper installed honor
boxes all over the CBD (around the Dome and
the hotels), and left them there, assuming,
in that UKy way, that they'd be right back
for the Final Four.

I doubt they sold too many papers this weekend.

P.S. to Brad from Carol the Receptionist,
in re adjective describing Mrs. Boeheim:

THE SIXIES CALLED AND WANT THEIR VOCABULARY BACK.

--
Richard            seraph

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:
> > It would be a bad situation for some players.
>
> So what?
>
> They're 18, aren't they?

So some of the things you mentioned in your posting -- the right of
somebody to earn a living, etc.  I don't think it would be a good
arrangement to force somebody to sit around twiddling his thumbs for
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Natalie:
> So some of the things you mentioned in your posting

Oh, sorry.  I misunderstood your post.

>force somebody to sit around twiddling his thumbs
>for several years after flunking out of school

Exactly.  Or, to force someone to sit in class
learning to solve differential equations or
the theory of finance when his time would be
better spent lobbing in 3s for the Lakers.

--
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Ann Borkin wrote:
> Hey, make that 'Queen'.  Queen Alyce.
>
> Hey #2:  there appears to be one already.
>
> http://www.jr44.com/crimsoncrones/bodbabes_visitpdx/alyce_house/alyce_house.html

This is fantastische. Which reminds me, who needs my red hat? It is Very
Nice.

alyce

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At 11:33 AM 4/8/2003 -0500, no straight, chaser wrote:
>Natalie:
> > So some of the things you mentioned in your posting
>
>Oh, sorry.  I misunderstood your post.
>
> >force somebody to sit around twiddling his thumbs
> >for several years after flunking out of school
>
>Exactly.  Or, to force someone to sit in class
>learning to solve differential equations or
>the theory of finance when his time would be
>better spent lobbing in 3s for the Lakers.

Or the Warriors!

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At 12:40 PM 4/8/2003 -0400, alyce cresap wrote:
>Ann Borkin wrote:
> > Hey, make that 'Queen'.  Queen Alyce.
> >
> > Hey #2:  there appears to be one already.
> >
> >
> http://www.jr44.com/crimsoncrones/bodbabes_visitpdx/alyce_house/alyce_house.html
>
>This is fantastische. Which reminds me, who needs my red hat? It is Very
>Nice.
>
>alyce

I even promise to wear it!

Betty

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bonniev wrote:

> > > I am trying to investigate how to be a K-R-N-style aggravator--
> > > where's K-R-N anyway--and I think one way would be to call you
> > > a good looking eggplant.
> >
> >I exhausted her patience this weekend.
> >clo
>
>What exactly did you do that drove her away from words-l ?

My guess is the Evil Twit thread. (clo didn't "do that").

-rashmi



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Ann Borkin wrote:

> Here's where I bring up the similarity between skunk and coffee smells.
> Why, I don't know; but here's where I bring it up again!

:-O -- for I cannot ask why for you just said you didn't know. Are you a
coffee-drinker?

Kristin

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Deep thoughts from Carmelo Anthony:

"It don't get better than this"
"That's what players come to college for, to try to be in a situation like this, to
play in a championship game."

His major, by the way, is "selected studies."



BrP

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> You are an ignore-a-moose, it should have been your sixth guess:
>
>   Denver, Alabama         Tallapoosa County  32°59'38"N  85°36'24"W
>   Denver, Arkansas        Carroll County     36°23'33"N  93°18'53"W
>   Denver, Colorado        Denver County      39°44'21"N 104°59'03"W
>   Denver, Florida         Putnam County      29°24'15"N  81°31'37"W
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>   Denver, Kentucky        Johnson County     37°46'34"N  82°51'17"W
>   Denver, Missouri        Worth County       40°23'50"N  94°19'21"W
>   Denver, New York        Delaware County    42°12'45"N  74°34'11"W
>   Denver, North Carolina  Lincoln County     35°31'52"N  81°01'48"W
>   Denver, Ohio            Ross County        39°11'35"N  83°03'21"W
>   Denver, Oklahoma        Cleveland County   35°13'57"N  97°16'55"W
>   Denver, Pennsylvania    Lancaster County   40°13'59"N  76°08'15"W
>   Denver, South Carolina  Anderson County    34°34'31"N  82°44'12"W
>   Denver, Tennessee       Humphreys County   36°02'49"N  87°55'15"W
>   Denver, West Virginia   Preston County     39°22'56"N  79°46'14"W

8-o What a country! Just because everybody brought the name as their favourite
one with them from the European continent once long ago? Or: what is the origin
of the name? It doesn't sound as if it has come from Europe. I'll take the risk
to send this question, being afraid at the same time that you'll answer me,
"don't you know? It is the name of the famous person (a President, for example)".
Ok, I'm already blushing beforehand and send it.

Kristin

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At 09:19 AM 4/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>The NCAA should not become just a farm system for the NBA.  Perhaps they
>should
>institute a rule that any player who copetes in the NCAA is not eligible
>for professional
>sports until the date when they would have graduated.  Hmmm.  I'll have to
>think about
>that.

NPR did a story on this. They said there were three teams in the tournament
this year with a 0% graduation rate.

As for your rule, I thought they had something like this at one time. I
can't remember if it was basketball or another sport but it sounds awfully
familiar.

lisa
For the real definition of student athlete, watch the women play tonight.
Go UCONN!!!!

>Paul

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> This is a different Alyce, Kristin - at least as far as I know...

I've kept making inappropriate remarks for some time, as I see :-( There've been several
of them, I know.

When I saw these pictures I was surprised about all these hats and boas, but having see
pictures from The Alyce's house I thought that maybe besides all her phantastic things
there are rooms filled with many I haven't seen on the pictures. And as to the house
itself -- well, one never knows what a house may look like when photographed at a
different angle. So much for an awkward explanation... - no need for it perhaps but you
understand I wanted to give one.

Kristin

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>
> lisa
> For the real definition of student athlete, watch the women play tonight.
> Go UCONN!!!!


Do you think the women should be allowed to dunk?  It makes it such a different
game without it.  It has a different look - a different flow and there seems to be more
team play One of the things that I liked about the SU men this year was their
teamwork and communication.

I felt bad for Texas that they got men and women into final four and both lost.

Do you think a mixed team would ever work?

just musing


BrP

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How are you, Doris? Is your eye all right?

Kristin

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> Do you think the women should be allowed to dunk?

The NCAA outlawed it from the mens game
when Lew Alcindor graduated from high school.

It was a stupid idea then, and it's a
stupid idea now.

I say we demand that free throws can be
taken only Rick Barry style.

> Do you think a mixed team would ever work?

Back when Cheryl Miller was at her peak, I
would ask NBA fans if they'd trade their
team's 12th man for her.

I would.

--
Richard            seraph

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>
>lisa
>For the real definition of student athlete, watch the women play tonight.
>Go UCONN!!!!

Yes!

Betty

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
>
> I even promise to wear it!

Done. You will like wearing it, because it is a Fine Hat. Tasteful, not
bizarro.

alyce

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>>For the real definition of student athlete watch

...NAIA teams that don't give scholarships.

Full Disclosure: One of my three employers is
an NAIA school that doesn't give scholarships.

--
Richard            seraph

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>From Tammy
-----------
My kids can't go places by themselves. They have no self-discipline and
cannot be trusted with even the simplest things. For instance teachers
can't
send a kid down to the office to pick up the meal tickets or send them
to
deliver a note acrosst he hall to another teacher. They run up and down
the
halls, leave the building, destroy the bathrooms. We can't let them get
drinks or use the Loo. These are 7th and 8th grade students, some of
them 15
years old, and we have to line them up and take them to the drinking
fountain and the bathroom 3 times a day. The experiences I've had are
bizzare and outrageous. I mean, really, Alyce, people have no idea what
kind of
mayhem and violence goes on daily. I will leave this experience either a
much better teacher, or a much worse one!

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Cécile de Brunhoff, 99, Creator of Babar

April 8, 2003
By PAUL LEWIS
New York Times

Cécile de Brunhoff, whose husband turned a bedtime tale she
told their children into the world-famous stories about
Babar the Elephant, died yesterday in Paris. She was 99.

The first tale of Babar, family members said, materialized
one night in 1930 when Mrs. de Brunhoff's son Mathieu
complained of feeling ill. To soothe him, she told him and
his brother Laurent a story about a young orphaned elephant
who sets out to visit a city that is clearly Paris. He
steals some money and goes on a shopping spree before being
persuaded by his cousins to return to the jungle.

The following day the two boys repeated the story to their
father, Jean de Brunhoff, an artist and book illustrator.
He wrote it down for them and provided pictures. Babar the
Elephant was born. But it was not quite the story Mrs. de
Brunhoff had first told. In the published version, for
example, Babar meets an Old Lady in the city who gives him
money for shopping.

Originally, the title page of "The Story of Babar," the
first of the Babar books, which appeared in 1931, was to
have described the tale as "told by Jean and Cécile de
Brunhoff." But Mrs. de Brunhoff had her name removed
because she thought her role in Babar's creation minor.

Mr. de Brunhoff went on to write and illustrate seven Babar
books. After his death in 1937, his son Laurent, also a
painter, decided to continue the series, writing and
illustrating more than 40 books about Babar.

Mrs. de Brunhoff studied piano under Alfred Cortot at the
École Normale de Musique in Paris and taught there for much
of her life.

She is survived by her three sons, Laurent, Mathieu and
Thierry.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> bonniev wrote:
>
> > > > I am trying to investigate how to be a K-R-N-style aggravator--
> > > > where's K-R-N anyway--and I think one way would be to call you
> > > > a good looking eggplant.
> > >
> > >I exhausted her patience this weekend.
> > >clo
> >
> >What exactly did you do that drove her away from words-l ?
>
> My guess is the Evil Twit thread. (clo didn't "do that").
>
> -rashmi

I don't think "driven away" is a good description. Busy with
other things, or taking time off, would fit better.
clo

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
>  So much for an awkward explanation... - no need for it perhaps but you
> understand I wanted to give one.

Nothing wrong with your thinking this might be me. It is quite wonderful
and I wish I had done it, not that other stupid Alyce who is much more
clever than I.

alyce

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At 02:07 PM 4/8/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>I felt bad for Texas that they got men and women into final four and both
>lost.

You are a sensitive guy.  How long did you feel badly?

Betty

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alyce cresap wrote:

>  not that other stupid Alyce who is much more
> clever than I.

lol

Kr.

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> How are you, Doris? Is your eye all right?
>
> Kristin

I'm not as well as I had hoped to be.  The
eye is still uncomfortable, and in addition
I came down with a bad cough.  So I'm
feeling puney and cuddling with an old
quilt in my recliner chair and drinking
hot tea with lemon and honey.  Thanks
for asking.  I'm sure I'll live.

             - D. M.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
> >  So much for an awkward explanation... - no need for it perhaps but you
> > understand I wanted to give one.
>
> Nothing wrong with your thinking this might be me. It is quite wonderful
> and I wish I had done it, not that other stupid Alyce who is much more
> clever than I.

Nah, she just belongs to a neat ladies' club that gave her the idea.
I wish the Red Hat society database worked better, so I could
see where the chapters are - everything came up blank.

clo

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They *must* be extra careful in Chicago.  Samant is on the loose!

At 02:21 PM 4/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> From Tammy
>-----------
>My kids can't go places by themselves. They have no self-discipline and
>cannot be trusted with even the simplest things. For instance teachers
>can't
>send a kid down to the office to pick up the meal tickets or send them
>to
>deliver a note acrosst he hall to another teacher. They run up and down
>the
>halls, leave the building, destroy the bathrooms. We can't let them get
>drinks or use the Loo. These are 7th and 8th grade students, some of
>them 15
>years old, and we have to line them up and take them to the drinking
>fountain and the bathroom 3 times a day. The experiences I've had are
>bizzare and outrageous. I mean, really, Alyce, people have no idea what
>kind of
>mayhem and violence goes on daily. I will leave this experience either a
>much better teacher, or a much worse one!

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alyce cresap wrote:

> >From Tammy

>  The experiences I've had are
> bizzare and outrageous. I mean, really, Alyce, people have no idea what
> kind of
> mayhem and violence goes on daily.

I have no idea either, for in the schools my children have attended there
have been minor problems, quite similar to those that could take place when
I was a schoolgirl.

Violence in schools seems to be even increasing problem everywhere. And it
has been increasing for such a long time already in different countries. The
only solution I can see in today's world are small schools, maybe. (Though
there still are big schools where the problem less acute.) Money? Money!
(The world is just strange, <sigh>)

Kristin

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> At 02:07 PM 4/8/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> >I felt bad for Texas that they got men and women into final four and both
> >lost.
>
> You are a sensitive guy.  How long did you feel badly?
>
> Betty

longer about the women than about the men


BrP

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> > How are you, Doris? Is your eye all right?
> >
> > Kristin
>
> I'm not as well as I had hoped to be.  The
> eye is still uncomfortable, and in addition
> I came down with a bad cough.  So I'm
> feeling puney and cuddling with an old
> quilt in my recliner chair and drinking
> hot tea with lemon and honey.  Thanks
> for asking.  I'm sure I'll live.
>
>              - D. M.

You need a cat to cuddle with


I hope you feel unpuney soon (or is that impuney?)

BrP

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02003-04-08 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
>

I can't figure out your rule for line lengths at all. Your
posts are unreadable. Use a fixed width font and keep lines
within 72 characters, please...

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There is a local chapter.  There was an article in the Post Standard about them the
other day (maybe Sunday?)

BrP



>
> Nah, she just belongs to a neat ladies' club that gave her the idea.
> I wish the Red Hat society database worked better, so I could
> see where the chapters are - everything came up blank.
>
> clo

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02003-04-08 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> 8-o What a country! Just because everybody brought the name as their
> favourite one with them from the European continent once long ago? Or:
> what is the origin of the name? It doesn't sound as if it has come from
> Europe. I'll take the risk to send this question, being afraid at the same
> time that you'll answer me, "don't you know? It is the name of the famous
> person (a President, for example)". Ok, I'm already blushing beforehand
> and send it.

I am amazed you even managed to ask the question. What was it,
by the way?

Stupid boy

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> There is a local chapter.  There was an article in the Post Standard about them the
> other day (maybe Sunday?)
>
> BrP
>
> >
> > Nah, she just belongs to a neat ladies' club that gave her the idea.
> > I wish the Red Hat society database worked better, so I could
> > see where the chapters are - everything came up blank.
> >
> > clo

You know, I had a suspicion.
It seems like that kind of town.
clo

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> 02003-04-08 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
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> I can't figure out your rule for line lengths at all. Your
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I use whatever the Pegasus default is.  I don't know how to change it.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>   I was commenting to my RRSIL that one
> of her <servants> was so very bright and industrious and would quite
> likely be able to get some kind of scholarship to go to UAH.  My RRSIL
> said in horror, "Don't say anything like that to her!  I need her."  She
> wasn't joking.  She was dead serious.  Losing a useful employee so that
> that employee could build a better life was unthinkable.

During  the past ten or twelve years the number of young people here who
have becoming a politician as their aim has increased. Which is quite
natural. But when making their choices between parties many of them ask -
not joking, but dead serious -, which party is more useful to be joined
with? They mean purely practically useful.

And: there was a discussion at Uku's school (they are going to graduate from
high school this year, 17-19 years old people) on richness and poverty. Uku
said he had laughed loud at two opinions. A question was: What are the
reasons of one's poverty? An answer: wrong values. Secondly: what are the
preconditions for one to become rich? An answer: adequate perception of
reality.

Well, I would've laughed if I were not horrified. Uku didn't tell me any
names, and I didn't ask, though I was interested. I only asked whether these
people came from rich families -- Yes, they did (which shouldn't explain
anything, of course).

I assume, for a person whose only aim is to become rich these answers would
do, which is perhaps the only funny point at it.

Kristin

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-08 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> > 8-o What a country! Just because everybody brought the name as their
> > favourite one with them from the European continent once long ago? Or:
> > what is the origin of the name? It doesn't sound as if it has come from
> > Europe. I'll take the risk to send this question, being afraid at the same
> > time that you'll answer me, "don't you know? It is the name of the famous
> > person (a President, for example)". Ok, I'm already blushing beforehand
> > and send it.
>
> I am amazed you even managed to ask the question. What was it,
> by the way?
>
> Stupid boy

Kristin,
Denver is probably named after the place in Norfolk, England.
It's true that our place names are complicated, because lots
of people name streets and towns after places and people they
missed when they came here. I don't think it's a foolish question.

clo

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> > Here's where I bring up the similarity between skunk and coffee smells.
> > Why, I don't know; but here's where I bring it up again!
> :-O -- for I cannot ask why for you just said you didn't know. Are you a
> coffee-drinker?

Found through the Google groups search:


On Tue, 23 Jan 1996, Tony Harminc wrote:

> smells.  For years I've claimed that skunk and fresh ground coffee smell
> a lot alike - a claim that usually elicits "that look" and rapid backing
> away from me.  I imagine it's true - that is that various mercaptans
> are present in both - but most people don't seem to be able to overcome
> their repugnance at the very thought of skunk smell to even consider it.

It was Allan who pointed this out to me (a long time ago) and I
recognized it to be true (there is a similarity in smell) although I
think I might never have remarked on it independently.  Allan is one of
those people who taste oak, strawberry, banana etc. in various wines, but
to me the skunk-coffee connection is much stronger than the flavors
people claim to taste in wine.

Ann

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Doris wrote:

>  I'm not as well as I had hoped to be.  The
>  eye is still uncomfortable, and in addition
>  I came down with a bad cough.

And when you are coughing it'll hurt, or disturb your eye, will it?

>   I'm sure I'll live.

I am, too. But as we all know, the quality of life is also important
:-). Hope you'll soon be well.

Kristin

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > 02003-04-08 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> > > What a country! Just because everybody brought the name as their
> > > favourite one with them from the European continent once long ago? Or:
> > > what is the origin of the name?

> Denver is probably named after the place in Norfolk, England.

Thank you.

>  I don't think it's a foolish question.

Thank you once more! After this answer of yours I don't think that either :)

Kristin

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Jan 1996, Tony Harminc wrote:
>
> > smells.  For years I've claimed that skunk and fresh ground coffee smell
> > a lot alike

> It was Allan who pointed this out to me (a long time ago) and I
> recognized it to be true (there is a similarity in smell) although I
> think I might never have remarked on it independently.

I must confess, I do not know how a skunk smells. But if I should meet one I
hope it'd let me to learn it. Maybe not too vigorously -- I guess a skunk
doesn't smell "like a skunk" all the time.

Kristin

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>
> You need a cat to cuddle with
 BrP

I think not. For two years I had red scratchy
watering eyes and doctors gave me different
drops which didn't help much.  This year
my eyes didn't seem to suffer in that way.
It finally dawned on me that my problems
came during the time I was at my sister's.
No doctor even considered looking into
allergies, or they may have found I was allergic
to my sister's ever-present haughty cat who
ruled the household.

                         - D. M.

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I always forget that skunks are a North American thing.  They are so much a part of
my environment that I don't remember they're aren't part of everyone's.  I remember
a book of scratch-n-sniffs that my kids had that included skunk.  I wish I had it now
I'd send it to you so you could <have the experience>

BrP

- and please Betty - don't tell me I'm a sensitive guy for this

> I must confess, I do not know how a skunk smells. But if I should meet one I
> hope it'd let me to learn it. Maybe not too vigorously -- I guess a skunk
> doesn't smell "like a skunk" all the time.
>
> Kristin

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> >
> > You need a cat to cuddle with
>  BrP
>
> I think not. For two years I had red scratchy
> watering eyes and doctors gave me different
> drops which didn't help much.  This year
> my eyes didn't seem to suffer in that way.
> It finally dawned on me that my problems
> came during the time I was at my sister's.
> No doctor even considered looking into
> allergies, or they may have found I was allergic
> to my sister's ever-present haughty cat who
> ruled the household.
>
>                          - D. M.

Well you could just be allergic to haughty and not to cat.


BrP

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> > ruled the household.
> >
> >                          - D. M.
>
> Well you could just be allergic to haughty and not to cat.
>
>
> BrP

I think it was the cat.  My daughter, who was
there also, took medication to help with her
allergy to it.  I don't know how I could have
been so stupid as not to put myself in the
same category.

                              - D. M.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> I am amazed you even managed to ask the question. What was it,
> by the way?
>
> Stupid boy

I'm not going to repeat it. No way. I already had the thought for a while that
maybe there's been a point in that I used to go nomail in spring for several
years--the point being of making no silly remarks and such. (Now, don't you tell
me I've always been like that :-) You are only allowed to have an implicit
thought like this!

Stupid girl

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> I remember
> a book of scratch-n-sniffs that my kids had that included skunk.  I wish I had it now
> I'd send it to you so you could <have the experience>

Your wish is that counts. Hmm, enveloping a smell of skunk...

I do not know whether there is a skunk in Tallinn zoo. But I am not sure whether I'll
visit the zoo before I have grandchildren. Not that I think a zoo is a place only for
children. It just has happened so that there were seemingly more interesting things for
me to do than to walk there.

Kristin

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-04-08 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
= >
=
= I can't figure out your rule for line lengths at all. Your
= posts are unreadable. Use a fixed width font and keep lines
= within 72 characters, please...

You must upgrade!

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > How are you, Doris? Is your eye all right?
> >
> > Kristin
>
> I'm not as well as I had hoped to be.  The
> eye is still uncomfortable, and in addition
> I came down with a bad cough.  So I'm
> feeling puney and cuddling with an old
> quilt in my recliner chair and drinking
> hot tea with lemon and honey.  Thanks
> for asking.  I'm sure I'll live.
>
Sorry you are puny. Has the doctor said anything about why you are not
already feeling better? Or is this the normal recovery time?

alyce

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> = I can't figure out your rule for line lengths at all. Your
> = posts are unreadable. Use a fixed width font and keep lines
> = within 72 characters, please...
>
> You must upgrade!

Tell the University

BrP

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Tushar Samant wrote:>
> I can't figure out your rule for line lengths at all. Your
> posts are unreadable. Use a fixed width font and keep lines
> within 72 characters, please...

His line lengths are fine here.

alyce

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 23 Jan 1996, Tony Harminc wrote:
> >
> > > smells.  For years I've claimed that skunk and fresh ground coffee smell
> > > a lot alike
>
> > It was Allan who pointed this out to me (a long time ago) and I
> > recognized it to be true (there is a similarity in smell) although I
> > think I might never have remarked on it independently.
>
> I must confess, I do not know how a skunk smells. But if I should meet one I
> hope it'd let me to learn it. Maybe not too vigorously -- I guess a skunk
> doesn't smell "like a skunk" all the time.
>
> Kristin

Kristin, be careful what you wish for. Most skunks carry a faint
but unpleasantly pungent odor with them, that lingers even after
they have walked by. When they spray directly, it lingers for days
or weeks; and if you get a strong dose, your eyes stream with
water as if you had been hit with mace or teargas.

I grew up in a rural area, and was taken hunting for leeks, dandelions,
and cowslips in the spring by an elderly gent who was the local
"deskunker" (he bagged skunks which had wandered into people's
basements or outbuildings). He claimed to have learned to like the
smell over the years, but I later realized that he had very little sense
of taste or smell, due to an accident. He was quite a character,
and a lot of fun to be around - he told wonderful tall tales.

clo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Denver is probably named after the place in Norfolk, England.

    James Denver, then-governor of the Kansas Territory.

JMW

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John Williams wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > Denver is probably named after the place in Norfolk, England.
>
>     James Denver, then-governor of the Kansas Territory.
>
> JMW

Better yet!
clo

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Paul R. Barfoot:
= > = I can't figure out your rule for line lengths at all. Your
= > = posts are unreadable. Use a fixed width font and keep lines
= > = within 72 characters, please...
= >
= > You must upgrade!
=
= Tell the University
=
= BrP

Not you, P.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
> >
> > I must confess, I do not know how a skunk smells. But if I should meet one I
> > hope it'd let me to learn it. Maybe not too vigorously -- I guess a skunk
> > doesn't smell "like a skunk" all the time.
>
> Kristin, be careful what you wish for.

> When they spray directly,

That was what I meant when saying "not too vigorously"

> it lingers for days
> or weeks;

Oh, I had forgot that among what I've read about them now and then.

> and if you get a strong dose, your eyes stream with
> water as if you had been hit with mace or teargas.

I promise to be careful not to take a position too easy a target for them!

Kristin

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John Williams wrote:

>     James Denver, then-governor of the Kansas Territory.

Aha, thank you, too.

When googling "James Denver"+Kansas it gave me, among other sites the
following which says the same thing:

http://www.larimersquare.com/history.html

Before going home soon I had rather a superficial look at it, but it
seemed *nice* -- if that should ever show any value of a source of
information :) Just mentioning.

Kristin

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At 02:07 PM 4/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> > lisa
> > For the real definition of student athlete, watch the women play tonight.
> > Go UCONN!!!!
>
>
>Do you think the women should be allowed to dunk?  It makes it such a
>different
>game without it.  It has a different look - a different flow and there
>seems to be more
>team play One of the things that I liked about the SU men this year was their
>teamwork and communication.
>
>I felt bad for Texas that they got men and women into final four and both
>lost.
>
>Do you think a mixed team would ever work?
>
>just musing
>
>
>BrP

I don't think seeing women dunk would help them gain fans. Watch how the
women pass the ball and you'll be amazed. It's more amazing than most game
time dunks you'll see. And it's every play whereas the men don't dunk every
time down the court.

The technical game that women play is what's drawing people to their games,
especially on the college level. They're fast, they fight hard and they end
up blowing your mind.

Co-ed sports is tough and I doubt you'd see mixed teams especially in a
game like basketball.

For myself I like playing on co-ed teams only because I'm usually one of
the better girl players on the team. That means I pretty much can do
whatever I want. If you're not that great it can be frustrating because
guys simply will not give you the ball (be it a basketball, volleyball,
softball or what have you).

Co-ed team rules suck and I think they make it frustrating for both sexes.
For instance in softball they use a restricted flight ball which means it's
not supposed to go all that far. Well, any power hitting guy can get it to
fly. However I cannot hit an RF ball as far as I can hit a regulation
softball.

Something else that works against me in softball is the outfielders cannot
move up in the field when a girl is at bat. I forget what the distance is
but I can tell you that the cut off is right about where I hit the RF ball.
Personally, when I get up to the bat for the first time I'd greatly
appreciate if the outfielders would move up so I can hit it over their
heads (occasionally they cheat and it does happen.. one umpire told me he
saw them doing this to me during a game and purposely didn't call them on
it because he knew I was going to get at least a double out of my hit).

Basketball is a little easier for me. Usually it takes about 5 minutes for
me to get my first pass. I spend this 5 minutes completely unguarded and
impatiently waiting for one of my teammates to get so frustrated that he
eventually dumps the ball off to me. When he does I make a nice easy shot.
My teammates will still be hesitant but eventually they come to count on my
easy points. Sooner or later the opposing team will yell at the guy who's
supposed to guard me. He's usually one of the weaker players on the team
and can't keep up with me. They'll put a better player on me but that
leaves one of my guys open and points are scored that way. It's all very
frustrating for the opposition and amusing for me.

As for basketball defense, one blocked shot, tipped ball or good foul on my
part and I've earned respect. Even when I can't keep up defensively it's OK
because I can score on the other end and you know guys don't care that much
about playing defense in basketball.

lisa

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> > I'm not as well as I had hoped to be.  The
> > eye is still uncomfortable, and in addition
> > I came down with a bad cough.  So I'm
> > feeling puney and cuddling with an old
> > quilt in my recliner chair and drinking
> > hot tea with lemon and honey.  Thanks
> > for asking.  I'm sure I'll live.
> >
> Sorry you are puny. Has the doctor said anything about why you are not
> already feeling better? Or is this the normal recovery time?
>
> alyce

I don't know.  I'm sure there are variations
in recovery experience.  He just told me the
danger signs to watch for, and I don't have
any of those.

                 - D. M.

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I've also smelled the coffee/skunk smell and it's usually very good coffee.

You can't help yourself, Paul.

Betty

At 03:41 PM 4/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I always forget that skunks are a North American thing.  They are so much
>a part of
>my environment that I don't remember they're aren't part of everyone's.  I
>remember
>a book of scratch-n-sniffs that my kids had that included skunk.  I wish I
>had it now
>I'd send it to you so you could <have the experience>
>
>BrP
>
>- and please Betty - don't tell me I'm a sensitive guy for this
>
> > I must confess, I do not know how a skunk smells. But if I should meet
> one I
> > hope it'd let me to learn it. Maybe not too vigorously -- I guess a skunk
> > doesn't smell "like a skunk" all the time.
> >
> > Kristin

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The credit card check is in the mail - or will be if SSA makes its
monthly deposit as scheduled. Next: pre-approval.

First, taxes.

Bethany

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At 06:16 AM 4/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I liked having the sun up at this time.  Made it so much
>easier to be awake this early.  I've never been a morning
>person.

Ugh. I'm glad it's dark.  I couldn't stand waking up an hour before I was
ready.

lisa

>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

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On 8 Apr 2003 at 14:57, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

> I use whatever the Pegasus default is.  I don't know how to change it.

Not that there is anything wrong with your line lengths, but for
reference:

Tools > Options > Outgoing mail > Message formatting

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In a message dated 4/8/2003 1:54:23 PM, dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

<< I think it was the cat.  My daughter, who was

there also, took medication to help with her

allergy to it.  >>

Thank the goddess I'm not alergic to animals, but to feathers and down,
mostly.
But I'm sorry your eyes are not healing as well as I had predicted.
I'm having problems with them too now because of the implants. At least the
doctor
said it was a common problem. First one eye got a film across it, that caused
me to go see her, and she advised me to have a laser treatment that would
clear it.
At the time she told me that the other eye had just started to film over,
although I hadn't noticed it yet.
Miraculously the first eye cleared completely without any treatment by the
time I was returning to schedule the surgery. It surprised the doctor, but
now the second eye was bad. She advised me to wait 6 months before the next
consultation, just in case
the other eye would heal itself too.
None of this caused any discomfort though, and I had been used to the 2 eyes
not
seeing the same thing at the same time anyway, because of the brain being
busted on one side. You just get used to it after a few years, and learn to
make adjustments.
Anyway Doris, it'll pass; I promise.  You can believe me this time, honest :-}
Theo

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At 04:40 PM 4/8/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
>At 02:07 PM 4/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>> >
>> > lisa
>> > For the real definition of student athlete, watch the women play tonight.
>> > Go UCONN!!!!
>>
>>
>>Do you think the women should be allowed to dunk?  It makes it such a
>>different
>>game without it.  It has a different look - a different flow and there
>>seems to be more
>>team play One of the things that I liked about the SU men this year was their
>>teamwork and communication.
>>
>>I felt bad for Texas that they got men and women into final four and both
>>lost.
>>
>>Do you think a mixed team would ever work?
>>
>>just musing
>>
>>
>>BrP
>
>I don't think seeing women dunk would help them gain fans. Watch how the
>women pass the ball and you'll be amazed. It's more amazing than most game
>time dunks you'll see. And it's every play whereas the men don't dunk every
>time down the court.
>
>The technical game that women play is what's drawing people to their games,
>especially on the college level. They're fast, they fight hard and they end
>up blowing your mind.
>
>Co-ed sports is tough and I doubt you'd see mixed teams especially in a
>game like basketball.
>
>For myself I like playing on co-ed teams only because I'm usually one of
>the better girl players on the team. That means I pretty much can do
>whatever I want. If you're not that great it can be frustrating because
>guys simply will not give you the ball (be it a basketball, volleyball,
>softball or what have you).
>
>Co-ed team rules suck and I think they make it frustrating for both sexes.
>For instance in softball they use a restricted flight ball which means it's
>not supposed to go all that far. Well, any power hitting guy can get it to
>fly. However I cannot hit an RF ball as far as I can hit a regulation
>softball.
>
>Something else that works against me in softball is the outfielders cannot
>move up in the field when a girl is at bat. I forget what the distance is
>but I can tell you that the cut off is right about where I hit the RF ball.
>Personally, when I get up to the bat for the first time I'd greatly
>appreciate if the outfielders would move up so I can hit it over their
>heads (occasionally they cheat and it does happen.. one umpire told me he
>saw them doing this to me during a game and purposely didn't call them on
>it because he knew I was going to get at least a double out of my hit).
>
>Basketball is a little easier for me. Usually it takes about 5 minutes for
>me to get my first pass. I spend this 5 minutes completely unguarded and
>impatiently waiting for one of my teammates to get so frustrated that he
>eventually dumps the ball off to me. When he does I make a nice easy shot.
>My teammates will still be hesitant but eventually they come to count on my
>easy points. Sooner or later the opposing team will yell at the guy who's
>supposed to guard me. He's usually one of the weaker players on the team
>and can't keep up with me. They'll put a better player on me but that
>leaves one of my guys open and points are scored that way. It's all very
>frustrating for the opposition and amusing for me.
>
>As for basketball defense, one blocked shot, tipped ball or good foul on my
>part and I've earned respect. Even when I can't keep up defensively it's OK
>because I can score on the other end and you know guys don't care that much
>about playing defense in basketball.
>
>lisa

I want you on my team.

Betty

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At 02:07 PM 4/8/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>Do you think the women should be allowed to dunk?  It makes it such a
>different
>game without it.  It has a different look - a different flow and there
>seems to be more
>team play. One of the things that I liked about the SU men this year was their
>teamwork and communication.

The anti-dunk rule didn't work in men's BB and I don't think it will in
women's BB, either.  If you think about it, the anti-dunk rule actually
confers an advantage on the taller, less agile players---to dunk, you need
(unless you are, say 7 feet plus) jumping ability and coordination.  The
anti-dunk (also known as the Alcindor rule) didn't work because he was not
only very tall, but very athletic---so the rule supposedly designed to
limit him actually worked to his (and a precious few others' )
advantage.  His "layups" were mere slight kisses off the backboard, several
inches higher than others could achieve.

One rule that I would like to see implemented in both men's and women's BB
is the international, trapezoidal free-throw lane.  This, combined with the
3-second rule (enforced) really limits the ability of the "big bodies" to
dominate the inside game---something that I think is beginning to happen in
the womens' game.  It doesn't, certainly, eliminate the dunk, but it places
more of a premium on passing and ball-handling

>I felt bad for Texas that they got men and women into final four and both
>lost.

Sorry, but I don't feel bad for any state that has foisted two generations
of Bushes (and one LBJ) upon us.

>Do you think a mixed team would ever work?

I'll defer to Lisa's answer on this.

cwv

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Oh yes, I know exactly what she's talking about from last
year.

Tell Tammy we're looking for a teacher in my dept. for the
fall -- nice, affluent suburban school with top test scores :).


alyce cresap wrote:

>>From Tammy
> -----------
> My kids can't go places by themselves. They have no self-discipline and
> cannot be trusted with even the simplest things. For instance teachers
> can't
> send a kid down to the office to pick up the meal tickets or send them
> to
> deliver a note acrosst he hall to another teacher. They run up and down
> the
> halls, leave the building, destroy the bathrooms. We can't let them get
> drinks or use the Loo. These are 7th and 8th grade students, some of
> them 15
> years old, and we have to line them up and take them to the drinking
> fountain and the bathroom 3 times a day. The experiences I've had are
> bizzare and outrageous. I mean, really, Alyce, people have no idea what
> kind of
> mayhem and violence goes on daily. I will leave this experience either a
> much better teacher, or a much worse one!
>
>


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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> 8-o What a country! Just because everybody brought the name as their favourite
> one with them from the European continent once long ago? Or: what is the origin
> of the name? It doesn't sound as if it has come from Europe. I'll take the risk
> to send this question, being afraid at the same time that you'll answer me,
> "don't you know? It is the name of the famous person (a President, for example)".
> Ok, I'm already blushing beforehand and send it.

I don't know either.  I also didn't realize there were that many
Denvers.  What's the most common city name in the country -- i.e., what
is the name that is represented in the largest number of states?

I am happy to report that I managed to cut my grass late this afternoon
even though it was wet and therefore wasn't cut all that well -- as in
some of it was just sort of shoved over.

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> At 02:07 PM 4/8/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> >I felt bad for Texas that they got men and women into final four and both
> >lost.
>
> You are a sensitive guy.  How long did you feel badly?

You might also say that he's a glass-half-emptier.  Many schools would
feel quite happy to have both their men and their women in the final
four, regardless of losing there.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I came down with a bad cough.  So I'm
> feeling puney and cuddling with an old
> quilt in my recliner chair and drinking
> hot tea with lemon and honey.  Thanks
> for asking.  I'm sure I'll live.

Staying inside is wise these days with a cough.  If you went out into
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At 06:09 PM 4/8/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I don't know either.  I also didn't realize there were that many
>Denvers.  What's the most common city name in the country -- i.e., what
>is the name that is represented in the largest number of states?

The top 10 most common, courtesy of Google (from 1 to 10):
Fairview, Midway, Oak Grove, Franklin, Riverside, Centerville, Mount
Pleasant, Georgetown, Salem, Greenwood.

Surprised me---I would have guessed that Washington or Madison would have
slipped in there.

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> I always forget that skunks are a North American thing.

I didn't realize that they were.  Provincial I am.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> I do not know whether there is a skunk in Tallinn zoo.

I bet zoo skunks, if there are zoo skunks, have had their stinkers
removed.  It could make for <unpleasantness> otherwise.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
>
>>8-o What a country! Just because everybody brought the name as their favourite
>>one with them from the European continent once long ago? Or: what is the origin
>>of the name? It doesn't sound as if it has come from Europe. I'll take the risk
>>to send this question, being afraid at the same time that you'll answer me,
>>"don't you know? It is the name of the famous person (a President, for example)".
>>Ok, I'm already blushing beforehand and send it.
>>
>
> I don't know either.  I also didn't realize there were that many
> Denvers.  What's the most common city name in the country -- i.e., what
> is the name that is represented in the largest number of states?


Isn't it Springfield?  (Thus the running Simpson's joke.)



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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> First, taxes.

I had the reverse this year from my usual situation.  Usually I get
money back from the feds but owe the state.  This year it's the opposite
-- I owe the feds but am getting money back from the state.  At first I
was surprised, but then I realized it was retirement-related.  A major
retirement benefit here is that there's no state income tax on state
retirement pay.  So I'm coming out about even.  Can't remember the
figures now, but what I owe the IRS, which was supposed to be whisked
out of my checking account last week -- I guess it has been, is about
the same as what the state owes me -- which is supposed to be dumped
into my checking account at some point.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> >I don't know either.  I also didn't realize there were that many
> >Denvers.  What's the most common city name in the country -- i.e., what
> >is the name that is represented in the largest number of states?
>
> The top 10 most common, courtesy of Google (from 1 to 10):
> Fairview, Midway, Oak Grove, Franklin, Riverside, Centerville, Mount
> Pleasant, Georgetown, Salem, Greenwood.
>
> Surprised me---I would have guessed that Washington or Madison would have
> slipped in there.

I also am surprised.  I started to make some guesses when I asked that
question, and among them would indeed have been Washington and Madison.
I also was wondering whether there was a city name that was present in
all fifty states, but I guess the answer to that is no.  There's no
Fairview, Mississippi, afaik.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I had the reverse this year from my usual situation.  Usually I get
>money back from the feds but owe the state.  This year it's the opposite
>-- I owe the feds but am getting money back from the state.  At first I

Since I live in a state that is not smart enough to have a state income
tax, that is not an issue for me. I have now given my acct. enough info to
file for the automatic extension, I think - I expect to come out about
even. I simply could not get everything together in time to file on time.
This day job is killing me!

Bethany

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On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>This day job is killing me!

I have taken steps to stop this. We will have a new admin head of the
Linguistics Program by December 31 - and I will be handing over admin
jobs progressively through the Fall semester. That will give me a
much-needed break.

Bethany

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>
>>I had the reverse this year from my usual situation.  Usually I get
>>money back from the feds but owe the state.  This year it's the opposite
>>-- I owe the feds but am getting money back from the state.  At first I
>>
>
> Since I live in a state that is not smart enough to have a state income
> tax, that is not an issue for me. I have now given my acct. enough info to
> file for the automatic extension, I think - I expect to come out about
> even. I simply could not get everything together in time to file on time.
> This day job is killing me!


        You must be pretty disorganized.  I just throw everything in
a file as it accumulates during the year, then send the file
off to our attorney.  Tax prep pretty much consists of
writing out a mailing label.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> >  I simply could not get everything together in time to file on time.
>
>         You must be pretty disorganized.  I just throw everything in
> a file as it accumulates during the year, then send the file
> off to our attorney.  Tax prep pretty much consists of
> writing out a mailing label.

I find both of you weird.  I have no understanding of not being able to
get everything together in time to file on time.  And I also have no
understanding of willingness to pay somebody bundles to sort through
your files and organize your tax life.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        You must be pretty disorganized.  I just throw everything in
>a file as it accumulates during the year, then send the file
>off to our attorney.  Tax prep pretty much consists of
>writing out a mailing label.

Well, I MIGHT be able to do that - but some of these numbers just don't
hop into a box when I tell them to.

Bethany

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At 06:27 PM 4/8/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > I do not know whether there is a skunk in Tallinn zoo.
>
>I bet zoo skunks, if there are zoo skunks, have had their stinkers
>removed.  It could make for <unpleasantness> otherwise.

They are supposed to make very nice pets.

Betty

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>       You must be pretty disorganized.  I just throw everything in
>>a file as it accumulates during the year, then send the file
>>off to our attorney.  Tax prep pretty much consists of
>>writing out a mailing label.
>>
>
> Well, I MIGHT be able to do that - but some of these numbers just don't
> hop into a box when I tell them to.
>


        You need to simplify, then.




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Betty wrote:

> >I bet zoo skunks, if there are zoo skunks, have had their stinkers
> >removed.  It could make for <unpleasantness> otherwise.
>
> They are supposed to make very nice pets.

I bet they'd be good cuddlers.  But is it easy or humane (animaline) to
destink them?

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I read an article in tonight's Boston Globe that had me howling.  I think
that Kristin, for sure, given her amazement at American place names will
appreciate this.  The following is paraphrased from a Boston Globe article
by Jim McCabe.

David Facey, a sportswriter for the London Sun, was dispatched to cover the
U.S. Masters' Golf Championship late this week in Augusta, GA.  His office
booked him from Manchester, UK, through Boston to Augusta.  Unfortunately,
they specified the wrong 'Augusta' whereby, in Facey's words, instead of
seeing the plush green surroundings of Augusta, GA, he got "a bloody winter
wonderland" tour of the Maine coast.  It took him more than 24 hours and
eight airports---Manchester, London, Boston, Rockland (ME), Augusta (ME),
Portland (ME), Atlanta, and Augusta (GA).  After he arrived in Boston, he
settled into a small twin-engined plane with 10 other passengers.  In the
air, he spotted snow and began to feel that something was terribly
wrong.  Then the plane landed landed and unloaded everyone but him in
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to this already, but we're not in Kansas, are we, Toto?), they proceeded to
Augusta (ME), where Facey caught an automobile ride with the co-pilot to
Portland, ME.  His office, in the meantime, had been notified of the glitch
and had booked him into a hotel in Portland--but the Oregon one.  However,
he was able to find a place to stay in the "right" Portland, then the next
morning made his flights from there to Atlanta and then Augusta GA.  His
final comments:  "...I didn't know there were so many Augustas, ...and I
didn't know that winter was still going on."

cwv

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>>a file as it accumulates during the year,
>>then send the file off to our attorney.

Elvis!

(Though he supposedly used a shoebox.)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>
>
>>> I simply could not get everything together in time to file on time.
>>>
>>        You must be pretty disorganized.  I just throw everything in
>>a file as it accumulates during the year, then send the file
>>off to our attorney.  Tax prep pretty much consists of
>>writing out a mailing label.
>>
>
> I find both of you weird.  I have no understanding of not being able to
> get everything together in time to file on time.  And I also have no
> understanding of willingness to pay somebody bundles to sort through
> your files and organize your tax life.


        Huh?  $30 is hardly bundles.




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Rita:
>         You need to simplify, then.

Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.

--
end it like eckham

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no straight, chaser wrote:

> Rita:
>
>>        You need to simplify, then.
>>
>
> Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.
>


        Sorry, I'm too stupid to know Latin.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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At 07:21 PM 4/8/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 06:09 PM 4/8/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>I don't know either.  I also didn't realize there were that many
>>Denvers.  What's the most common city name in the country -- i.e., what
>>is the name that is represented in the largest number of states?
>
>The top 10 most common, courtesy of Google (from 1 to 10):
>Fairview, Midway, Oak Grove, Franklin, Riverside, Centerville, Mount
>Pleasant, Georgetown, Salem, Greenwood.
>
>Surprised me---I would have guessed that Washington or Madison would have
>slipped in there.
>
>cwv

I just knew about John.

Betty

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On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I find both of you weird.  I have no understanding of not being able to
>get everything together in time to file on time.  And I also have no
>understanding of willingness to pay somebody bundles to sort through
>your files and organize your tax life.

And I find both of you weird. I do not pay anyone to sort through files -
that is what I am doing. I pay her for her knowledge of accounting
practices and current IRS practices, her efficiency, her dependability
- and her abiilty to to be a bufffer in case of an audit. Your
past experience to the contrary, Natalie - only an idiot goes to her own
IRS audit. You merely lucked out.

Also I simply do not enjoy reading tax tables, figuring out depreciation
percentages, calculating useful life of inaninmate entities, etc. I prefer
to pay an expert to do those things, while I do those things that I enjoy
- some of which make enough money so that paying an expert is an easy
choice.

Bethany

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On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        You need to simplify, then.

NOT - I like having an income.

Bethany

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Rita Chapman wrote:
> >>        You must be pretty disorganized.  I just throw everything in
> >>a file as it accumulates during the year, then send the file
> >>off to our attorney.  Tax prep pretty much consists of
> >>writing out a mailing label.
> >>
> >
> > I find both of you weird.  I have no understanding of not being able to
> > get everything together in time to file on time.  And I also have no
> > understanding of willingness to pay somebody bundles to sort through
> > your files and organize your tax life.
>
>         Huh?  $30 is hardly bundles.

What do attorneys charge these days?  What you're saying here suggests
to me that it must be something like $5 an hour.  What exactly are these
things that you throw into a file during the year?  I would certainly do
the same if somebody would take care of my taxes for $30!  My experience
has been in the vicinity of $400 even when I had figured it all out
myself and handed over the tax statement already done.  And my mother,
whose life was very simple and whose income was tiny, also paid around
$400.  I know that because of getting her tax stuff together this year,
such as it was -- I had no records of any kind for part of the year
since my RRB&SIL are idiots and since her hired sitters were taking care
of her financial life, which they did quite well -- from their pov.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> - and her abiilty to to be a bufffer in case of an audit. Your
> past experience to the contrary, Natalie - only an idiot goes to her own
> IRS audit. You merely lucked out.

I have no experience in being audited.  Have never been audited.  But I
know people who have, and I've heard no bad stories from any of them.
In some cases they've found it not unpleasant and with a neutral ending
-- as in the IRS people agreed that what they'd submitted was fine, and
in other cases they have found it surprising in that they've ended up
getting more money back.

> Also I simply do not enjoy reading tax tables, figuring out depreciation
> percentages, calculating useful life of inaninmate entities, etc. I prefer
> to pay an expert to do those things, while I do those things that I enjoy
> - some of which make enough money so that paying an expert is an easy
> choice.

But my "I find you both weird" wasn't about what you've written here.
We've been through all this stuff before -- the whys somebody wants to
hire tax help.  That's a dead horse.  The part of "I find you both
weird" that applied to you was your not being able to get it together on
time.  I can understand how in some emergency situations filing for an
extension might be needed.  But I really can't understand how it would
be needed in an ordinary life.  Even in Japan, when I automatically had
an extension -- as in you don't have to file for one if you're living
out of the country -- you automatically have one, I didn't have any
problem getting it all together (including all kinds of arcane stuff re
foreign income) by April 15.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>>>       You must be pretty disorganized.  I just throw everything in
>>>>a file as it accumulates during the year, then send the file
>>>>off to our attorney.  Tax prep pretty much consists of
>>>>writing out a mailing label.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I find both of you weird.  I have no understanding of not being able to
>>>get everything together in time to file on time.  And I also have no
>>>understanding of willingness to pay somebody bundles to sort through
>>>your files and organize your tax life.
>>>
>>        Huh?  $30 is hardly bundles.
>>
>
> What do attorneys charge these days?  What you're saying here suggests
> to me that it must be something like $5 an hour.  What exactly are these
> things that you throw into a file during the year?  I would certainly do
> the same if somebody would take care of my taxes for $30!  My experience
> has been in the vicinity of $400 even when I had figured it all out
> myself and handed over the tax statement already done.  And my mother,
> whose life was very simple and whose income was tiny, also paid around
> $400.  I know that because of getting her tax stuff together this year,
> such as it was -- I had no records of any kind for part of the year
> since my RRB&SIL are idiots and since her hired sitters were taking care
> of her financial life, which they did quite well -- from their pov.
>


        Um, all the IRA's, Roths, Mutual Funds, individual stock
stuff, the stuff we deduct like for church and the exchange
students and various other charities, hmmm... oh, all of
Ana's accounts (and I guess she is a deduction).  In past
years, we've had inherited stuff.  I think there's other
stuff, too, but I tend not to pay too much attention.

        And we have an income!



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> The top 10 most common, courtesy of Google (from 1 to 10):
> Fairview, Midway, Oak Grove, Franklin, Riverside, Centerville, Mount
> Pleasant, Georgetown, Salem, Greenwood.
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> slipped in there.
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Or LaFayette.
clo

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Um, all the IRA's, Roths, Mutual Funds, individual stock
> stuff, the stuff we deduct like for church and the exchange
> students and various other charities, hmmm... oh, all of
> Ana's accounts (and I guess she is a deduction).  In past
> years, we've had inherited stuff.  I think there's other
> stuff, too, but I tend not to pay too much attention.

Could you send me the name of this attorney?  Afaik, no attorneys or
accountants  around here extend pro bono work to ordinary,
income-earning people.

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On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>What do attorneys charge these days?  What you're saying here suggests
>to me that it must be something like $5 an hour.  What exactly are these

It is not necessary to hire an attorney, though I sometimes have in the
past. I hire an excellent CPA now.

Bethany

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> >  I simply could not get everything together in time to file on time.
>
>         You must be pretty disorganized.  I just throw everything in
> a file as it accumulates during the year, then send the file
> off to our attorney.  Tax prep pretty much consists of
> writing out a mailing label.

I find both of you weird.  I have no understanding of not being able to
get everything together in time to file on time.  And I also have no
understanding of willingness to pay somebody bundles to sort through
your files and organize your tax life.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Everyday, I'm preparing the simplest of taxes for people who barely get it
together. I'm not doing anything that can't be done on TurboTax in less than
an hour...for the most part.

Sandra

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On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>But my "I find you both weird" wasn't about what you've written here.
>We've been through all this stuff before -- the whys somebody wants to
>hire tax help.  That's a dead horse.  The part of "I find you both
>weird" that applied to you was your not being able to get it together on
>time.  I can understand how in some emergency situations filing for an

I suppose I COULD file by April 15 - but frankly, if time is short, I
can't think of any reason why it should come ahead of activities I
consider more important. It's not as though I am getting back thousands of
dollars and am losing lots of interest. My refunds, somewhat rare
these days, tend to be $1500 or less.

It's been a busy season for me, and many things in my life are more
interesting that getting tax files ready.

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>   Even in Japan, when I automatically had
> an extension -- as in you don't have to file for one if you're living
> out of the country -- you automatically have one, I didn't have any
> problem getting it all together (including all kinds of arcane stuff re
> foreign income) by April 15.

But I will say that I threw up my hands in frustration and said "screw
it -- I'm sending it, right or wrong" that year.  That was the year that
Schedule D changed drastically and was a total, beyond-words nightmare.
I'm sitting here reminiscing now, thinking about sitting at my table in
my apartment in Tokyo tearing out my hair at Sched D.  That was the
first time in my life that anything of that kind had me befuddled.  I
lack many skills, but normally I don't have any problem in figuring out
things like IRS forms.  I did that year.  I finally just sent it in with
wild guesses re all that Sched D stuff.  Iirc, that was one of the years
when the IRS sent me a polite note saying that something in my figuring
was wrong and asking if it was ok to adjust it however.  I of course
said yes (which is the default answer to such questions -- if the answer
is yes, then you do nothing).

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >What do attorneys charge these days?  What you're saying here suggests
> >to me that it must be something like $5 an hour.  What exactly are these
>
> It is not necessary to hire an attorney, though I sometimes have in the
> past. I hire an excellent CPA now.

I said "attorney" only because that's who Rita said she hired -- that
this attorney sorts through all her file of stuff from the year and does
her taxes for $30.  I know that not all attorneys are rich, but I do
wonder how Rita's attorney manages to feed him/herself.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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What's the URL you used to get the different Denvers?
I'd like to see how many Mogadores there are.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Somebody was asking me about the WG schools cuz they're
house hunting, so out of curiousity, I started looking in
the area that is served by the elementary school Ana will be
going to next year.


I think I'm going to have to start dressing her a little better.

http://www.cbgundaker.com/search/advanced/detail.jsp?mls_num=306730&type=res

http://www.cbgundaker.com/search/advanced/detail.jsp?mls_num=300118&type=res


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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02003-04-08 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> What's the URL you used to get the different Denvers?
> I'd like to see how many Mogadores there are.

I didn't find any one URL, actually. I think I started searching
on "Denver, Idaho" which I was pretty sure existed, and ended up
with some list indirectly compiled from ... USGS?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
>
>>>What do attorneys charge these days?  What you're saying here suggests
>>>to me that it must be something like $5 an hour.  What exactly are these
>>>
>>It is not necessary to hire an attorney, though I sometimes have in the
>>past. I hire an excellent CPA now.
>>
>
> I said "attorney" only because that's who Rita said she hired -- that
> this attorney sorts through all her file of stuff from the year and does
> her taxes for $30.  I know that not all attorneys are rich, but I do
> wonder how Rita's attorney manages to feed him/herself.


        She does just fine.  But not everybody gets that rate.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Re my mother and taxes, one of the signs of her decline was her
accounting ability -- or maybe not loss of ability at first but lack of
interest.  I don't mean it was sad necessarily that she ceased to be a
good accountant, but the change was sad as a sign of her overall
decline.  She always did the tax stuff and did it well.  Her father had
been an accountant, and I think she inherited his genes re stuff like
that.  (And I think I inherited those genes also.)  When my parents
moved to Hville, my RRB&SIL told my mother that she should hire their
accountant to do taxes.  And because she always did whatever my RRB told
her to do, she said ok.  She told me after the first year that she was
not at all sure about the accountant's competence -- that she had had to
correct him on lots of things.  But as the years passed, she lost
interest in such things and just signed the forms.  That was sad -- not
because of whether the accountant was right or wrong -- sad because it
was a sign of her decline.  Her earlier self would have been horrified
beyond words at the financial mess she was into after she didn't know
what was going on.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 08:55 PM 4/8/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>correct him on lots of things.  But as the years passed, she lost
>interest in such things and just signed the forms.  That was sad -- not
>because of whether the accountant was right or wrong -- sad because it
>was a sign of her decline.  Her earlier self would have been horrified
>beyond words at the financial mess she was into after she didn't know
>what was going on.

I'm glad she didn't know.  She was multi-talented woman and I've enjoyed
the pieces of her life that you have shared. It was cool when you hooked
her up with Myles and crosswords.  Speaking of Myles, he is alive and
well.  We're going to get together and have omelettes next month in Santa Rosa.

Betty

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Those UConn faces are really ugly. Good game though.

A group of us did spray our hair blue once when we were going to the
women's basketball games. One of the players had a blue tint so we just
thought we would be supportive one night.  Larry was the best! Ryan was
still in college at the time and in the Straw Hat Band right across from
us.  He was ever so proud.

Betty

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02003-04-08 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> They *must* be extra careful in Chicago.  Samant is on the loose!

Why do you have to HATE

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>http://www.cbgundaker.com/search/advanced/detail.jsp?mls_num=300118&type=res
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Garish bathroom.  Hideous yellow paint in the dining room.  Bad layout in
the kitchen, not to mention that this kitchen looks like it has never been
used.


    --bonniev

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The town I was born in seems to be the only Sheboygan in the USA.  I typed
it in to Weather Underground without naming a state and it came right up
with Sheboygan, Wisconsin.

    --bonniev

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I hope yesterday was a good one for you!  Do you get your birthday off?

Betty

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02003-04-08 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> I hope yesterday was a good one for you!  Do you get your birthday off?

Six already! Time goes by fast huh

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In a message dated 04/08/2003 8:42:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<<
I didn't find any one URL, actually. I think I started searching
on "Denver, Idaho" which I was pretty sure existed, and ended up
with some list indirectly compiled from ... USGS?

>>

That would be a good place to start.  Mogadore would not be a
common name.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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In a message dated 4/8/2003 9:59:11 PM, bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<< I hope yesterday was a good one for you!  >>

Happy belated from me too. Sorry I missed it, but the wish is just as sincere.
Theo

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Betty wrote:

>  It was cool when you hooked
> her up with Myles and crosswords.

She was quite smitten with Mylesykins.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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bonniev wrote:
>
> The town I was born in seems to be the only Sheboygan in the USA.  I typed
> it in to Weather Underground without naming a state and it came right up
> with Sheboygan, Wisconsin.

I just counted twenty-six for my hometown -- Jackson.  But I might have
miscounted.  Mine was the only one with two red dots to its right.  I
had to scroll up to the top to find out what dots signifiy.  It said
"warning."

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Betty wrote:
>
> I hope yesterday was a good one for you!  Do you get your birthday off?

I wish Phyllis would come back to us!  It's bad that we keep missing
birthdays.  And I wish Phyllis would return even if she didn't serve as
the bday keeper.  I miss her.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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bonniev wrote:

>> http://www.cbgundaker.com/search/advanced/detail.jsp?mls_num=300118&type=res
>>
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> Garish bathroom.  Hideous yellow paint in the dining room.  Bad layout in
> the kitchen, not to mention that this kitchen looks like it has never been
> used.


Well, what do you want for over a half mil?  It is
interesting to find out what these houses are worth.
They're pretty to drive by in the morning now with
everything blooming.

The news just said that somebody tried to take out one of
the bridges with a cargo plane.  Fun!  Our very own
terrorist attack!




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Betty wrote:
>
>
>> It was cool when you hooked
>>her up with Myles and crosswords.
>>
>
> She was quite smitten with Mylesykins.


        No mystery there.  I hope he gets bored enough to come back
to us soon.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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If you seriously think I am a glass-half-emptier than you really know nothing about
me.

BrP


>
> You might also say that he's a glass-half-emptier.  Many schools would
> feel quite happy to have both their men and their women in the final
> four, regardless of losing there.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> Kristin Sarv wrote:>
> > Ann Borkin wrote:> >
> > > On Tue, 23 Jan 1996, Tony Harminc wrote:> > >
> > > > smells.  For years I've claimed that skunk and fresh ground
> coffee smell
> > > > a lot alike
> >
> > > It was Allan who pointed this out to me (a long time ago) and I
> > > recognized it to be true (there is a similarity in smell)
> although I
> > > think I might never have remarked on it independently.
> >
> > I must confess, I do not know how a skunk smells.

Also, like the finest cannibis indica.

Marie

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> On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>
> > If you seriously think I am a glass-half-emptier than you really know nothing about
> > me.
> >
> > BrP
> > >
> > > You might also say that he's a glass-half-emptier.
> > >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Right, he's more of a finish-the-glass-quickly-and-go-get-more-er. ;)
> clo


:-)




I've always liked george Carlin's "Hey, there's a glass that's twice as big as it needs
to be."

BrP

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On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

> If you seriously think I am a glass-half-emptier than you really know nothing about
> me.
>
> BrP
> >
> > You might also say that he's a glass-half-emptier.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Right, he's more of a finish-the-glass-quickly-and-go-get-more-er. ;)
clo

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I just got this is e-mail (not e-mail from Teddy himself):

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not
only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the
American public."  -Theodore Roosevelt

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
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> If you seriously think I am a glass-half-emptier than you really know nothing about
> me.

I seriously don't think you are.  It's just that your observation about
final fours could be construed that way.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 07:19 PM 4/8/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Those UConn faces are really ugly. Good game though.
>
>A group of us did spray our hair blue once when we were going to the
>women's basketball games. One of the players had a blue tint so we just
>thought we would be supportive one night.  Larry was the best! Ryan was
>still in college at the time and in the Straw Hat Band right across from
>us.  He was ever so proud.
>
>Betty

Tina says the same thing about the UCONN mugs, Taurasi especially. Taurasi
actually makes me giddy she's so smooth on the court. As for the rest of
the team, I don't care if they're pretty it was a great game and THEY
WON!!!!! Wahoooo!!!

lisa
if only I could play like that!

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>
> Tina says the same thing about the UCONN mugs, Taurasi especially. Taurasi
> actually makes me giddy she's so smooth on the court. As for the rest of
> the team, I don't care if they're pretty it was a great game and THEY
> WON!!!!! Wahoooo!!!
>
> lisa
> if only I could play like that!

Well said.  It's always nice to see a final that is close and well played.  This is perhaps
the only time you will hear me say that I was pleased to see the players in orange lose.

Congrats!

BrP

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  There were 11 arrests during the post-victory celebration.  Not bad considering that
the crowd is estimated to have been around 20,000 and that the arrests were for pretty
minor offenses.  City Court Judge Karen Uplinger (a Kansas alum, btw) threw out the
charges of using obscene gestures in public and asked those charged with damaging
things "was it worth it?"  Most will be able to satisfy the charges by making restitution
(e.g. returning the stolen parking meter).  The police handled the situation well - moving
into the middle of the crowd only when absolutely necessary to keep people safe.
  It could have been a whole different scene if the score had gone the other way.


BrP

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At 08:43 PM 4/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I read an article in tonight's Boston Globe that had me howling.  I think
>that Kristin, for sure, given her amazement at American place names will
>appreciate this.  The following is paraphrased from a Boston Globe article
>by Jim McCabe.
>
>David Facey, a sportswriter for the London Sun, was dispatched to cover the
>U.S. Masters' Golf Championship late this week in Augusta, GA.  His office
>booked him from Manchester, UK, through Boston to Augusta.  Unfortunately,
>they specified the wrong 'Augusta' whereby, in Facey's words, instead of
>seeing the plush green surroundings of Augusta, GA, he got "a bloody winter
>wonderland" tour of the Maine coast.  It took him more than 24 hours and
>eight airports---Manchester, London, Boston, Rockland (ME), Augusta (ME),
>Portland (ME), Atlanta, and Augusta (GA).  After he arrived in Boston, he
>settled into a small twin-engined plane with 10 other passengers.  In the
>air, he spotted snow and began to feel that something was terribly
>wrong.  Then the plane landed landed and unloaded everyone but him in
>Rockland.  After a short conversation with the pilots ("I know the answer
>to this already, but we're not in Kansas, are we, Toto?), they proceeded to
>Augusta (ME), where Facey caught an automobile ride with the co-pilot to
>Portland, ME.  His office, in the meantime, had been notified of the glitch
>and had booked him into a hotel in Portland--but the Oregon one.  However,
>he was able to find a place to stay in the "right" Portland, then the next
>morning made his flights from there to Atlanta and then Augusta GA.  His
>final comments:  "...I didn't know there were so many Augustas, ...and I
>didn't know that winter was still going on."
>
>cwv

Winter is definitely still going on. It's snowing at the moment. It just
flurries but god I just cannot take it anymore. As a matter of fact I
probably feel the same way this writer did when he went to the wrong
Augusta (or the right one depending on your POV).

lisa

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At 05:51 AM 4/9/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> >
> > I hope yesterday was a good one for you!  Do you get your birthday off?
>
>I wish Phyllis would come back to us!  It's bad that we keep missing
>birthdays.  And I wish Phyllis would return even if she didn't serve as
>the bday keeper.  I miss her.
.
Yes.  I'm not very good at it.  In fact, I am not going to do it
anymore.  Y'all can look at the birthday page each month.  There is still
Karen, Bernard Chien Perro, Evelyn and Alyce during the month of April. We
missed Torkel as well as Bethany on April 1.  The greetings seem kind of
silly after a while but some people like it.  How about if we announce our
own if we want it recognized?  Discuss.

I miss Phyllis, too.

Betty

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At 06:28 AM 4/9/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
.  The greetings seem kind of
>silly after a while but some people like it.  How about if we announce our
>own if we want it recognized?  Discuss.

suits me.

cwv

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At 09:20 AM 4/9/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:

>Winter is definitely still going on. It's snowing at the moment. It just
>flurries but god I just cannot take it anymore. As a matter of fact I
>probably feel the same way this writer did when he went to the wrong
>Augusta (or the right one depending on your POV).

The latest one stayed south of us; our last snow was
Saturday/Saturnight.  I'm ready for winter to end as well.  The birds are
back, the peregrines are nesting or choosing/defending territories---it's
time for this nonsense to end.

cwv

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At 10:36 PM 4/8/2003 +0300, you wrote:
>Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 23 Jan 1996, Tony Harminc wrote:
> >
> > > smells.  For years I've claimed that skunk and fresh ground coffee smell
> > > a lot alike
>
> > It was Allan who pointed this out to me (a long time ago) and I
> > recognized it to be true (there is a similarity in smell) although I
> > think I might never have remarked on it independently.
>
>I must confess, I do not know how a skunk smells. But if I should meet one I
>hope it'd let me to learn it. Maybe not too vigorously -- I guess a skunk
>doesn't smell "like a skunk" all the time.
>
>Kristin

I was with a friend who had the occasion to smell skunk for the first time.
He was a coworker from my then employer's London office. We drove past a
freshly killed skunk. He could not believe how strong the smell was or that
it wouldn't go away (it lingered in my car for the next 2 miles).

lisa

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At 07:40 PM 4/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> > Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
> > >  I simply could not get everything together in time to file on time.
> >
> >         You must be pretty disorganized.  I just throw everything in
> > a file as it accumulates during the year, then send the file
> > off to our attorney.  Tax prep pretty much consists of
> > writing out a mailing label.
>
>I find both of you weird.  I have no understanding of not being able to
>get everything together in time to file on time.  And I also have no
>understanding of willingness to pay somebody bundles to sort through
>your files and organize your tax life.

I find it weird that every time the tax conversation comes up, you say it's
weird not to do your own taxes.

The reason I find it weird is, it's such a common practice for people to
have someone else do their taxes. And I'm talking about people in all tax
brackets with varying levels of complications.

Personally, I find it comforting to use a program like Turbo Tax to guide
me through the process. I'm certainly smart enough not to have to use this
but I don't feel like reading anything but the questions Turbo Tax asks me.
If I'm ever in a situation where I don't know the answer to TT's questions
and I feel uncomfortable I will take my stuff to an account and let him or
her worry about the questions and answers. The bottom line feeling is, the
last thing I need in my life is to tangle with the IRS.

lisa


>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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21:03 08.04.2003 -0700 skrev Betty:
>I hope yesterday was a good one for you!  Do you get your birthday off?

And I hope the day before yesterday was a good one, HB Rashmi!

Espen

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>The latest one stayed south of us; our last snow was
>Saturday/Saturnight.  I'm ready for winter to end as well.  The birds are
>back, the peregrines are nesting or choosing/defending territories---it's
>time for this nonsense to end.      --cwv

Not me.  I'm not ready for it to end.  I wouldn't mind one bit if it was
winter all year 'round.


    --bonniev

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And a words-l moment:


WEST HOLLYWOOD, California (AP) -- Saying it hoped to send a message to
other communities, the West Hollywood, California, City Council unanimously
approved a measure that bans the declawing of cats.  ... ...
Although cat declawing is banned in several European nations, animal
advocates said they know of no such restrictions in the United States. ... ...
The procedure, known as onychectomy, costs $100 to $300 and removes the
first joint of each toe in a cat's paw. It's normally done to keep cats
from scratching people and furniture.


    --bonniev

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At 02:45 PM 4/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>alyce cresap wrote:
>
> > Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > >  So much for an awkward explanation... - no need for it perhaps but you
> > > understand I wanted to give one.
> >
> > Nothing wrong with your thinking this might be me. It is quite wonderful
> > and I wish I had done it, not that other stupid Alyce who is much more
> > clever than I.
>
>Nah, she just belongs to a neat ladies' club that gave her the idea.
>I wish the Red Hat society database worked better, so I could
>see where the chapters are - everything came up blank.
>
>clo

Tina and I ran into them in Florida. They were at a bar eating wings and
drinking beer before heading off to a matinee. I can't remember the play
they were going to see. I do remember the red hats, purple dresses and rosy
(probably from the beer) cheeks.

lisa

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Rita, on Myles:
>I hope he gets bored enough to come back to us soon.

Just drop a hint that the incomparable
Lucia has resurfaced, and he'll be back
like a shot.

--
Richard     the expression of his face changed

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--bonniev:
> first joint of each toe in a cat's paw.

Sorry, Bonnie, Karen sez you're being hysterical.

--
Richard     the expression of his face changed

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At 09:42 AM 4/9/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 09:20 AM 4/9/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
>
>>Winter is definitely still going on. It's snowing at the moment. It just
>>flurries but god I just cannot take it anymore. As a matter of fact I
>>probably feel the same way this writer did when he went to the wrong
>>Augusta (or the right one depending on your POV).
>
>The latest one stayed south of us; our last snow was
>Saturday/Saturnight.  I'm ready for winter to end as well.  The birds are
>back, the peregrines are nesting or choosing/defending territories---it's
>time for this nonsense to end.

Yes!  Opening baseball games were canceled because of snow!

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At 07:49 AM 4/9/2003 -0700, Betty Clark wrote:

>Yes!  Opening baseball games were canceled because of snow!

Well, that doesn't bother me much---baseball starts 'way the hell too early
in the spring and goes too long in the autumn.

cwv

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...a WWII newspaper headline that, the
story goes, had New Orleanians rushing
out to have a look at the damage the
Germans had done to the part of the
city on the other side of the River.

This morning's fishwrap had an overhead
photo of Baghdad.  The geography, the
way the Tigris <crescents> around, is
startlingly similar to New Orleans,
viewed from the same POV.

('cepfer central B-daddio is on the
west bank, and the definitive part
of NOLA's on the east bank)

Weird.

And you thought that gag about us here
living in the third world was just that.

--
Richard     the expression of his face changed

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>At 07:49 AM 4/9/2003 -0700, Betty Clark wrote:
>
>>Yes!  Opening baseball games were canceled because of snow!
>
>Well, that doesn't bother me much---baseball starts 'way the
>hell too early
>in the spring and goes too long in the autumn.
>
>cwv
>

Football and hoops fan, not a baseball fan ?


alec

Go Flyers, Eagles, Phillies, Quakers and the Villanova Wildcats.

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> Winter is definitely still going on. It's snowing at the moment. It just

It has turned colder that a witch's tit here.  I hate it.

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> >I find both of you weird.  I have no understanding of not being able to
> >get everything together in time to file on time.  And I also have no
> >understanding of willingness to pay somebody bundles to sort through
> >your files and organize your tax life.
>
> I find it weird that every time the tax conversation comes up, you say it's
> weird not to do your own taxes.

But I did not in fact say that.  What I found weird about Bethany was
her not being able to get stuff together by April 15.  What I found
weird about Rita was not even bothering to organize her stuff to give to
her tax person.  Tax-preparers I know charge by the hour, meaning that
an unorganized file of raw data would mean paying much more money.
After Rita explained that her tax-preparer works for pennies, I could
see why she does it the way she does.

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In a message dated 04/09/2003 8:23:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<<
I miss Phyllis, too.

>>

I miss her, too.

As far as birthdays, why don't we have one day each month celebrating
all the birthdays that month.  We don't have to list the birthdays, just
say "if you're having a birthday this month, this is the day we're celebrating
it."

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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gets the cheese.

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From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> Betty wrote:
> >  How about if we announce our
> > own if we want it recognized?  Discuss.
>
> I think it was last year that I did exactly that

In some cultures it is the responsibility of the person whose birthday it is to supply the party. I actually always liked that. Russians do this, right BrP? At least two Russians I've worked with at different times, different places, brought their own cakes in on their birthdays.

Marie

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> As far as birthdays, why don't we have one day each month celebrating
> all the birthdays that month.  We don't have to list the
> birthdays, just
> say "if you're having a birthday this month, this is the day we're
> celebratingit."

What's the point of that?

Marie

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I hope you had a very happy birthday!

Evelyn Duncan
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Betty wrote:
>  How about if we announce our
> own if we want it recognized?  Discuss.

I think it was last year that I did exactly that.  It got to be about 9
p.m. or so, and I started feeling sorry for myself that my birthday had
not been acknowledged by anybody anywhere.  So I mentioned it on the
list, got lots of greetings then, and was able to go to bed feeling
happier.
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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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=
= In some cultures it is the responsibility of the person whose birthday it is to supply the party. I actually always liked that. Russians do this, right BrP? At least two Russians I've worked with at different times, different places, brought their own cakes in on their birthdays.
=
= Marie

SOP around here.  Also when you leave for a new job.  And there
are other special treats when you become a father.

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aha!  Checking the weather for Starkville, I see that the forecast high for today is 46f.
I had always wondered about the exact tempearture of witch tits and now I know that
it is at least 47f

BrP




> lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > Winter is definitely still going on. It's snowing at the moment. It just
>
> It has turned colder that a witch's tit here.  I hate it.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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http://www.ourfuture.org/projects/national_conference/index.cfm

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Hercules is  9 years old. He's about  3 feet long nose to tail tip. He's
bright green when he's very warm, turns grey -green when he sleeps or
gets
chilled. He loves strawberries and tomatoes,  but hates bananas. He'll
dig
the bananas out of his fruit salad! He also likes grapes, spinach and
dandelion leaves, which I'm careful to wash.   He also LOVES the water
and
will dive into the fish pond in the back yard,  scaring us and making us
muck around in the deep water til we feel him and yank him out. Of
course he
can swim, and can be submerged for quite a while, but I worry  he might
get
too cool and fall asleep and drown. I know  evoluton won't let this
happen, but as someone very attatched to the Iguana, I worry.
Herc is also very comfortable with people. It's a shame he can't be at
school with me like the old days.  He used to wander around the lab and
get
lost until some kid would see him lurking in the sink or on the
bookcase.
He's very cool. You'll love him.
I'm really looking forward to Spring Break.  Someday I may write a book
as
you say, but not until I have some distance between myself and  Foster
Park,
and can examine things objectively!

Tammy

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Shit, I miss Earl.

Thanks for that post, Alyce.

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In a message dated 04/09/2003 11:01:25 AM Central Daylight Time,
14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET writes:

<<
> As far as birthdays, why don't we have one day each month celebrating
> all the birthdays that month.  We don't have to list the
> birthdays, just
> say "if you're having a birthday this month, this is the day we're
> celebratingit."

What's the point of that?


>>

Lots of businesses do that; Sears did before they decided to cut
things like that which benefit the employees; there was even a
cake each month.

I found it interesting that Lacy wants to sell the credit division for
7 billion when the company as a whole is worth about that.

Evelyn Duncan
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Betty wrote:
>
> I hope yesterday was a good one for you!  Do you get your birthday off?

Happy Birthday, Rashmi.

alyce

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21:50 08.04.2003 +0300 skrev Kristin Sarv:
>Violence in schools seems to be even increasing problem everywhere. And it

I believe that if you go back a hundred or a couple of hundred years you will find that the level of violence is pretty low in most schools these days. I don't remember which Marryat book I am thinking of, but there the teacher is more or less blown up, and this is places somewhere during the Napoleonic wars (and around the time of Marryat's youth).

Espen

PS Marryat and Babbage were in school together BTW

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At 11:25 AM 4/9/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>Football and hoops fan, not a baseball fan ?

Certainly not to the same extent.  I enjoy watching the occasional game on
TV and of course as a Chicago native, I wait with interest each year to see
how the Cubs will screw up <this> time.  I like following the Red Sox'
fortunes in the Globe; it is amusing to see how seriously the writers take
everything.  Apparently, upon hiring on as a sportswriter at the Globe
instantly makes one three times smarter than any player, coach, or manager
and fives smarter than any owner or general manager.

cwv

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Marie:

>In some cultures it is the responsibility of the person whose birthday it
>is to supply the party. I actually always liked that. Russians do this,
>right BrP? At least two Russians I've worked with at different times,
>different places, brought their own cakes in on
>their birthdays.

This was the custom in Antwerpen - my Belgian cow orkers brought
in pastry on their birthdays. Apparently new hires also do this.

-rashmi





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Espen Ore wrote:

>  there the teacher is more or less blown up, and this is places somewhere during the Napoleonic wars (and around the time of Marryat's youth).

I didn't know that.

Kristin

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
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> There's an article in USA Today about Bagdad, FL
>
> Does a different spelling count as a matching place name long as it's pronounced
> the same?

What about if it's spelled the same but not pronounced the same -- like
the hometowns of Mr. and Mrs. Toal.

Where is abht?  She's been quiet for ages.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Betty wrote:
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>I hope yesterday was a good one for you!  Do you get your birthday off?

First time in my life I woke up to snow on my birthday. wheee!
I was in DC over the weekend and my friends had cake and champagne
for me. That was nice.

-rashmi

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:
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> Shit, I miss Earl.
>
> Thanks for that post, Alyce.

I'm sorry it made you snuffle, Richard. I surely hope that I get to meet
Hercules. He sounds grand.

alyce

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At 05:52 AM 4/9/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
 >The news just said that somebody tried to take out one of
>the bridges with a cargo plane.  Fun!  Our very own
>terrorist attack!

The company (Grand Aire) lost two planes yesterday (the other was near
Toledo); last July, they also lost one.  Definitely incident-prone.

cwv

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At 10:50 AM 4/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > Winter is definitely still going on. It's snowing at the moment. It just
>
>It has turned colder that a witch's tit here.  I hate it.

LOL.. I love that saying. It's particularly humorous coming from you.

lisa


>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-04-09 | Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU> writes:
> I just got this is e-mail (not e-mail from Teddy himself):
>
> "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
> or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not
> only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the
> American public."  -Theodore Roosevelt

Nobody is saying you can't criticise the President. All that's
being said is you'd only criticise if you were a complete idiot.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> It has turned colder that a witch's tit here.  I hate it.

half-empty, eh? You've forgot how high the sun goes. Cold is nothing (if
there's light), light is everything!

Kristin

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At 11:59 AM 4/9/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> > Betty wrote:
> > >  How about if we announce our
> > > own if we want it recognized?  Discuss.
> >
> > I think it was last year that I did exactly that
>
>In some cultures it is the responsibility of the person whose birthday it
>is to supply the party. I actually always liked that. Russians do this,
>right BrP? At least two Russians I've worked with at different times,
>different places, brought their own cakes in on their birthdays.

That is how it is done in some departments here.

Betty

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At 04:31 PM 4/9/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>Marie:
>
>>In some cultures it is the responsibility of the person whose birthday it
>>is to supply the party. I actually always liked that. Russians do this,
>>right BrP? At least two Russians I've worked with at different times,
>>different places, brought their own cakes in on
>>their birthdays.
>
>This was the custom in Antwerpen - my Belgian cow orkers brought
>in pastry on their birthdays. Apparently new hires also do this.

Did you this year?

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>This was the custom in Antwerpen - my Belgian cow orkers brought
>in pastry on their birthdays. Apparently new hires also do this.
>-rashmi

It also seems to be the custom in Wisconsin.  A dear friend up there even
had the foresight to bring her goodies the day before her birthday this
year because she knew that some coworkers wouldn't eat sweets on Ash
Wednesday which was the actual date of her birthday this year.


    --bonniev

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At 04:41 PM 4/9/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>>
>>I hope yesterday was a good one for you!  Do you get your birthday off?
>
>First time in my life I woke up to snow on my birthday. wheee!
>I was in DC over the weekend and my friends had cake and champagne
>for me. That was nice.

Perfect!  Bring champagne for July 5, Bonnie's birthday!!

Betty

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How light is a witch's tit ?

BrP



> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > It has turned colder that a witch's tit here.  I hate it.
>
> half-empty, eh? You've forgot how high the sun goes. Cold is nothing (if
> there's light), light is everything!
>
> Kristin

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> From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> > Betty wrote:
> > >  How about if we announce our
> > > own if we want it recognized?  Discuss.
> >
> > I think it was last year that I did exactly that
>
> In some cultures it is the responsibility of the person whose birthday it is to supply the party. I actually always liked that. Russians do this, right BrP? At least two Russians I've worked with at different times, different places, brought their own cakes in on their birthdays.
>
> Marie

otkuda ya znaiou

BrP

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> I read an article in tonight's Boston Globe that had me howling.  I think
> that Kristin, for sure, given her amazement at American place names will
> appreciate this.

I do. A fine story.

Well, I'm used to that in case of similar/same village names one has to think
in which county it is, still, the dialects have had their influence, so there
are not very many small places with one and the same name here in Estonia (let
alone towns). And I guess, at some time (in '20s perhaps) a regulation took
place so that one shouldn't get confused.

And sure, similar place names -- the more, when translated -- occur everywhere.
Aamf, your states are units different and separate enough to have same town
names. Just the first sight of a list of so many Denvers baffled me, and, well
slightly still does.

Btw, I like the name Fairview somebody mentioned. I cannot think of its
translated variants either. I wonder whether there are corresponding names in
French or German or in any other language.

Kristin

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> How light is a witch's tit ?
>

Bleached, out of colour. I do not think it could glow with freshness.

Kristin

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There's an article in USA Today about Bagdad, FL

Does a different spelling count as a matching place name long as it's pronounced
the same?


BrP





> "clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> > I read an article in tonight's Boston Globe that had me howling.  I think
> > that Kristin, for sure, given her amazement at American place names will
> > appreciate this.
>
> I do. A fine story.
>
> Well, I'm used to that in case of similar/same village names one has to think
> in which county it is, still, the dialects have had their influence, so there
> are not very many small places with one and the same name here in Estonia (let
> alone towns). And I guess, at some time (in '20s perhaps) a regulation took
> place so that one shouldn't get confused.
>
> And sure, similar place names -- the more, when translated -- occur everywhere.
> Aamf, your states are units different and separate enough to have same town
> names. Just the first sight of a list of so many Denvers baffled me, and, well
> slightly still does.
>
> Btw, I like the name Fairview somebody mentioned. I cannot think of its
> translated variants either. I wonder whether there are corresponding names in
> French or German or in any other language.
>
> Kristin

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At 12:30 PM 4/9/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>At 11:25 AM 4/9/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
>>Football and hoops fan, not a baseball fan ?
>
>Certainly not to the same extent.  I enjoy watching the occasional game on
>TV and of course as a Chicago native, I wait with interest each year to see
>how the Cubs will screw up <this> time.  I like following the Red Sox'
>fortunes in the Globe; it is amusing to see how seriously the writers take
>everything.  Apparently, upon hiring on as a sportswriter at the Globe
>instantly makes one three times smarter than any player, coach, or manager
>and fives smarter than any owner or general manager.
>
>cwv

The Chicago writers don't do this w/ the Cubs every year? Seriously, I'm
asking.

I think it's easy to take pot shots at the Sox. Look how long they've been
loser. They're "bull pen by committee" is already and easy target. No doubt
"29 year old" Theo Epstein will be swiped at with the writers pen the first
time one of his trades either does poorly for the Sox or does well for
another team.

lisa

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> At 06:09 PM 4/8/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > what
> >is the name that is represented in the largest number of states?
>
> The top 10 most common, courtesy of Google (from 1 to 10):
> Fairview, Midway, Oak Grove, ...

Ah, here it is, Fairview -- such a beautiful name that I thought to be so
rare.

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> There's an article in USA Today about Bagdad, FL
>

    I'll see your Florida and raise you Bagdad, Arizona.

JMW, who used to think it was a law that every state had to have a Fremont

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> aha!  Checking the weather for Starkville, I see that the forecast high for today is 46f.
> I had always wondered about the exact tempearture of witch tits and now I know that
> it is at least 47f

But it's something like 44 right now.  So witch tits could be 45.
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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Lots of businesses do that; Sears did before they decided to cut
> things like that which benefit the employees; there was even a
> cake each month.

My mother's nursing home did that.  They had a party each month for all
of that month's bday people.

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> >It has turned colder that a witch's tit here.  I hate it.
>
> LOL.. I love that saying. It's particularly humorous coming from you.

Why?  Why me, I mean.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> half-empty, eh? You've forgot how high the sun goes. Cold is nothing (if
> there's light), light is everything!

I'd rather have warm darkness than cold light.

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Betty Clark wrote:

> >This was the custom in Antwerpen - my Belgian cow orkers brought
> >in pastry on their birthdays. Apparently new hires also do this.
>
> Did you this year?

She wasn't there on her bday this year.

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looks like we were nearly 30 deg off

see:

http://www.gettingit.com/article/663


BrP




> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> >
> > aha!  Checking the weather for Starkville, I see that the forecast high for today is 46f.
> > I had always wondered about the exact tempearture of witch tits and now I know that
> > it is at least 47f
>
> But it's something like 44 right now.  So witch tits could be 45.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Betty Clark wrote:

> Perfect!  Bring champagne for July 5, Bonnie's birthday!!

I could bring the bottle of champagne that somebody gave me in '01.
It's still in my refrigerator.  But I bet it wouldn't be good for it to
travel through summer heat, would it.

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LOL

At 01:43 PM 4/9/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>looks like we were nearly 30 deg off
>
>see:
>
>http://www.gettingit.com/article/663
>
>
>BrP

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> looks like we were nearly 30 deg off
>
> see:
>
> http://www.gettingit.com/article/663

Interesting stuff.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 01:31 PM 4/9/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:

>The Chicago writers don't do this w/ the Cubs every year? Seriously, I'm
>asking.

I'm sure that there are the "critical" columns.  It's been a while since I
have seen the Chicago papers (save on the occasional stopover at
O'Hare).  However, I don't think they have anything like the feeding
frenzies that the Globe offers.

>I think it's easy to take pot shots at the Sox. Look how long they've been
>loser. They're "bull pen by committee" is already and easy target. No doubt
>"29 year old" Theo Epstein will be swiped at with the writers pen the first
>time one of his trades either does poorly for the Sox or does well for
>another team.

I think that part of the phenomenon is because the Globe keeps this large
array of sportswriters.  They all have to have something to write about, so
nearly everything gets inflated to a major issue.

cwv

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In a message dated 4/9/2003 8:04:16 AM, bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:

<< The procedure, known as onychectomy, costs $100 to $300 and removes the
first joint of each toe in a cat's paw. It's normally done to keep cats
from scratching people and furniture.
 >>

It's unnecessary cruel imo. Theo

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Indeed!

Bethany

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bonniev wrote:

> And a words-l moment:
>
> Although cat declawing is banned in several European nations,

Another, related wlmish remark: nothing's said about destinking skunks.

Kristin

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> I hope you had a very happy birthday!

Me, too!

> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
> gets the cheese.

The sig may be rather appropriate here. -- the mice who are late.

Kristin

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At 12:45 PM 4/9/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > Perfect!  Bring champagne for July 5, Bonnie's birthday!!
>
>I could bring the bottle of champagne that somebody gave me in '01.
>It's still in my refrigerator.  But I bet it wouldn't be good for it to
>travel through summer heat, would it.

I don't think you are supposed to age champagne.  Why did they give it to
you in '01?

Betty

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Btw, I like the name Fairview somebody mentioned. I cannot think of its
> translated variants either. I wonder whether there are corresponding names in
> French or German or in any other language.

Bellevue, probably is close. There are plenty of Bellevues, I think. At
least there are Bellevue subdivisions and I used to live on Bellevue
Place in Chicago.

alyce
>
> Kristin


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At 12:42 PM 4/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > >It has turned colder that a witch's tit here.  I hate it.
> >
> > LOL.. I love that saying. It's particularly humorous coming from you.
>
>Why?  Why me, I mean.

Because I said so.

lisa


>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> And here is how it is in some OTHER cultures--my sister reporting
> her little daughters' birthday: Oh, that? Nothing special, it was
> the usual 'fun day' with this child in the house. Poor thing got
> scared of the whole 'cutting the cake' ritual ... she doesn't
> understand a damn thing about birthdays anyway, and by the way
> thanks for not sending in any 'Ecard' or similar nonsense, I am
> sick of it.


The family resemblance is striking

BrP

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Firewalls to be illegal?

http://tinyurl.com/95y6

Did I read this correctly?

alyce

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02003-04-09 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> The Chicago writers don't do this w/ the Cubs every year? Seriously, I'm
> asking.
>
> I think it's easy to take pot shots at the Sox. Look how long they've been
> loser. They're "bull pen by committee" is already and easy target. No doubt
> "29 year old" Theo Epstein will be swiped at with the writers pen the first
> time one of his trades either does poorly for the Sox or does well for
> another team.

This post has been cancelled for its extreme liberties with English.

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And here is how it is in some OTHER cultures--my sister reporting
her little daughters' birthday: Oh, that? Nothing special, it was
the usual 'fun day' with this child in the house. Poor thing got
scared of the whole 'cutting the cake' ritual ... she doesn't
understand a damn thing about birthdays anyway, and by the way
thanks for not sending in any 'Ecard' or similar nonsense, I am
sick of it.

We don't have any father's or mother's day either. Though there
is a sisters and brothers' day ... it's all about the structure
of the family ...

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> > > understand a damn thing about birthdays anyway, and by the way
> > > thanks for not sending in any 'Ecard' or similar nonsense, I am
> > > sick of it.
> >
> > The family resemblance is striking
>
> At least we are not twins.

at least?  Is there more?

BrP

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It's tomorrow




> Isn't the missing Karen's birthday around now? I think we must observe
> it even if she is not here. ??
>
> alyce

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Isn't the missing Karen's birthday around now? I think we must observe
it even if she is not here. ??

alyce

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02003-04-09 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > And here is how it is in some OTHER cultures--my sister reporting
> > her little daughters' birthday: Oh, that? Nothing special, it was
> > the usual 'fun day' with this child in the house. Poor thing got
> > scared of the whole 'cutting the cake' ritual ... she doesn't
> > understand a damn thing about birthdays anyway, and by the way
> > thanks for not sending in any 'Ecard' or similar nonsense, I am
> > sick of it.
>
> The family resemblance is striking

At least we are not twins.

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On Wednesday, April 09, 2003 at 14:38, alyce cresap wrote:

> Firewalls to be illegal?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/95y6
>
> Did I read this correctly?

Yup. It's much discussed in various places. There are "mini-DMCA"
bills in several states, and a couple have been delayed as people
have realized that they're written by the MPAA and friends.

http://www.politechbot.com/p-04630.html
http://www.politechbot.com/p-04634.html

Tony H>

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02003-04-08 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > you of another--I think that happens too, but it is probably like
> > these wine guys finding cloves and vanilla and crap in what they
> > drink. They are convinced, and of curse there is a truth to it,
> > but it is completely subjective and of no use to anyone else.
>
> It's of use to them; and around here there are a lot of them.  Sometimes
> I -get it- but usually I don't.  I think they are trained so it is NOT
> completely subjective.

Ah, so it's "intrasubjective"!

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>Bellevue, probably is close. There are plenty of Bellevues, I think. At
>least there are Bellevue subdivisions and I used to live on Bellevue
>Place in Chicago.      --alyce

There is a home in Bar Harbor that is named "No View" in reaction to all
the Belle Vue mansions.


    --bonniev

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On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> Ah, so it's "intrasubjective"!

Sure, like Daniel Jones and the cardinal vowels:

"A cardinal vowel is a TARGET SOUND, and its sound must be LEARNT. You
should learn to RECOGNISE and to PRODUCE the cardinal vowels: tutorials
and video sessions will allow you yo do that. The cardinal vowels have
been handed down orally for almost a century, and are shared by
phoneticians all over the world: now it's your turn."

http://www.compapp.dcu.ie/~alex/CA162/PHONETICS/vowels.html

My phonetics teacher said that phoneticians in the IPA used to get
together every now and then and tune up their cardinal vowels with Daniel
Jones.

Ann

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Happy Birthday tomorrow, Karen.  Eat cake. Drink champaign!

Betty

At 03:35 PM 4/9/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>It's tomorrow
>
>
>
>
> > Isn't the missing Karen's birthday around now? I think we must observe
> > it even if she is not here. ??
> >
> > alyce

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> > > LOL.. I love that saying. It's particularly humorous coming from you.
> >
> >Why?  Why me, I mean.
>
> Because I said so.

Ok.  But Basil Bernstein says that using restricted code will cause your
children to not do well in school.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Betty Clark wrote:

> I don't think you are supposed to age champagne.  Why did they give it to
> you in '01?

They brought it to my xmas party -- as a gift, not for immediate
consumption.  Wasn't I talking about that bottle of champagne a while
back, saying that I'd open it when the first Wordsler came to visit me?
That just jumped into my head.  I think I was trying to lure Bradykins
down here.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-04-09 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > Ah, so it's "intrasubjective"!
>
> Sure, like Daniel Jones and the cardinal vowels:
>
> "A cardinal vowel is a TARGET SOUND, and its sound must be LEARNT. You
> should learn to RECOGNISE and to PRODUCE the cardinal vowels: tutorials
> and video sessions will allow you yo do that. The cardinal vowels have
> been handed down orally for almost a century, and are shared by
> phoneticians all over the world: now it's your turn."
>
> http://www.compapp.dcu.ie/~alex/CA162/PHONETICS/vowels.html
>
> My phonetics teacher said that phoneticians in the IPA used to get
> together every now and then and tune up their cardinal vowels with Daniel
> Jones.

Thank you, Borkin. One hears that this is sort of how Indian
music is too. Except they unapologetically call it objective.
In fact more objective than anything else.

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On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > > > LOL.. I love that saying. It's particularly humorous coming from you.
> > >
> > >Why?  Why me, I mean.
> >
> > Because I said so.
>
> Ok.  But Basil Bernstein says that using restricted code will cause your
> children to not do well in school.

This is why we should not teach children to read - they get their hands on
filthy smut that puts ideas in their heads, and lets them blackmail
parents!

clo

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In a message dated 4/8/2003 9:59:11 PM, bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<< I hope yesterday was a good one for you!  >>

Happy belated from me too. Sorry I missed it, but the wish is just as
sincere.
Theo

And from me, too, Rashmi. I enjoyed meeting you last year at Cajun Pacific.
Happy Bday!!!

Sandra

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> In some cultures it is the responsibility of the person whose
> birthday it is to supply the party. I actually always liked that.
> Russians do this, right BrP? At least two Russians I've worked
> with at different times, different places, brought their own
> cakes in on their birthdays.
>
> Marie

On my birthday, I brought in donuts to work. First time in 10 years. I
figured it was high time.

And I didn't even eat any of them!

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com
p.s. Happy Birthday to Rashmi.

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isa alfieri wrote:

> >I find both of you weird.  I have no understanding of not being able to
> >get everything together in time to file on time.  And I also have no
> >understanding of willingness to pay somebody bundles to sort through
> >your files and organize your tax life.
>
> I find it weird that every time the tax conversation comes up, you say
it's
> weird not to do your own taxes.

But I did not in fact say that.  What I found weird about Bethany was
her not being able to get stuff together by April 15.  What I found
weird about Rita was not even bothering to organize her stuff to give to
her tax person.  Tax-preparers I know charge by the hour, meaning that
an unorganized file of raw data would mean paying much more money.
After Rita explained that her tax-preparer works for pennies, I could
see why she does it the way she does.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

The woman I work for charges by the form (roughly). She's had most of her
clients for ages and charges depending on how much work is involved....how
complicated their situation is. But it's not an hourly figure. Most seem to
average $275-375 per return.

Sandra

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Happy Birthday tomorrow, Karen.  Eat cake. Drink champaign!

Betty

At 03:35 PM 4/9/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>It's tomorrow
>

Happy Birthday, Karen in absentia

Sandra

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I just watched tv.  I'm becoming so non-mutant it's mind-boggling.  I
wish I'd turned it on earlier.  I missed many of the opening remarks
(and was out of the room during some other snippets).  It was a thing on
C-SPAN sponsored by the Children's Defense Fund and included all the
Democratic candidates for Pres (Dubya was invited but declined).  It was
interesting seeing all these people, many of whom I had only read about
and not seen the bodies of.  Dean is still my choice, though I think I
need to tell him to back off a bit on the Vermont talk.  Some of that is
good -- he needs to establish his experience and the excellent record,
but Vermont is not necessarily representative of the whole country.
Kerry's speaking ability is going to make him go far, imho.  It should
probably not be that way, but the truth is that camera charisma matters
enormously in an election.  One person I hadn't been paying all that
much attention to but really liked tonight is Rev. Sharpton.  He was
funny and made very good sense.

One of my main feelings in watching this forum was <I'm proud to be a
Democrat>.  I liked pretty much everything that every one of them said.
I started thinking about who I would eliminate if it were up to me to
start narrowing the field right now.  I guess the first two I would toss
out would be Kucinich and Graham.  After that I guess Braun and
Lieberman.  Then maybe Gephardt.  Then probably Edwards -- who is not
going to go far, imho, because of his style.  Ok, so let me think who
that leaves:  Dean, Sharpton, Kerry.  Am I leaving out anybody?  If not,
those are my picks for The Final Three.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On 9 Apr 2003 at 20:30, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>  I guess the first two I would toss out would be Kucinich and Graham.
> After that I guess Braun and Lieberman. Then maybe Gephardt.  Then
> probably Edwards -- who is not going to go far, imho, because of his
> style.  Ok, so let me think who that leaves:  Dean, Sharpton, Kerry.

As much entertainment value as he may have, it is hard to imagine
Al Sharpton electable. I'm not sure I would let Kucinich go so
quickly, but I would just as soon see Lieberman dropped in the
first round. I don't think Gephardt offers much either.

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I still have trouble with Kucinich; I remember when he was mayor
of Cleveland and Cleveland went into default on its bank loans
because the bankers gave up on dealing with him.

Evelyn Duncan
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The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
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From: "AHMED   ABACHA" <andypabo@epatra.com>
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DEAR SIR,
PLEASE REPLY TO care99@mail.com

I am Ahmed Abacha, the son of the late Nigeria Head of
States, who died on the 8th July 1998.

During the regime of my father, so much mis-management
of funds took place by so many people in his
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government even went as far as confiscating all our
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Sometime last week, our family attorney came and
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some
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I am now looking for a trusted person who
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If you are willing to participate please contact me
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I await your response through this email care99@mail.com
Thank you very much.
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> http://www.ourfuture.org/projects/national_conference/index.cfm
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


Great timing!

    - D. M.

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
>
> On 9 Apr 2003 at 20:30, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >  I guess the first two I would toss out would be Kucinich and Graham.
> > After that I guess Braun and Lieberman. Then maybe Gephardt.  Then
> > probably Edwards -- who is not going to go far, imho, because of his
> > style.  Ok, so let me think who that leaves:  Dean, Sharpton, Kerry.
>
> As much entertainment value as he may have, it is hard to imagine
> Al Sharpton electable.

This is true.  I don't really want him to end up as the nominee.  Mainly
I was just impressed last night with what he said and how he said it.
As I mentioned, I hadn't really paid much attention to him before.

> I'm not sure I would let Kucinich go so
> quickly, but I would just as soon see Lieberman dropped in the
> first round. I don't think Gephardt offers much either.

Re Kucinich, I'm basing my toss-him thought on his performance last
night.  I like very much the little bit I know about him otherwise --
like his views on the war.  But he seemed vague and platitudinous last
night.  Instead of answering questions directly, he spouted
canned-sounding utterances about how we need to "save the children"
(this forum was sponsored by the Children's Defense Fund, of course) and
how we need to do good things in general.  Maybe as the campaigning
continues, he'll present himself in a better-focused way.  I picked
Kucinich and Graham to go in my first cut because of Kucinich's
vagueness and Graham's boringness.  Every time Graham started talking, I
started yawning.  (My pickings, btw, were based partly on my own
attitudes/beliefs, partly on thinking about how they'd do in a
campaign.  E.g., I imagined them in a debate with Dubya.)

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Doris Markland wrote:
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> > http://www.ourfuture.org/projects/national_conference/index.cfm
>
> Great timing!

Timing?

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At 05:20 PM 4/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > > > LOL.. I love that saying. It's particularly humorous coming from you.
> > >
> > >Why?  Why me, I mean.
> >
> > Because I said so.
>
>Ok.  But Basil Bernstein says that using restricted code will cause your
>children to not do well in school.

Looking up restricted code,
http://zimmer.csufresno.edu/~johnca/spch100/3-3-bernstein.htm
causes me not to read beyond the first paragraph.

However, I'm will to take full responsibility for you should you not pass
the 3rd grade this year.

lisa


>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

> On 9 Apr 2003 at 20:30, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >  I guess the first two I would toss out would be Kucinich and Graham.
> > After that I guess Braun and Lieberman. Then maybe Gephardt.  Then
> > probably Edwards -- who is not going to go far, imho, because of his
> > style.  Ok, so let me think who that leaves:  Dean, Sharpton, Kerry.
>
> As much entertainment value as he may have, it is hard to imagine
> Al Sharpton electable. I'm not sure I would let Kucinich go so
> quickly, but I would just as soon see Lieberman dropped in the
> first round. I don't think Gephardt offers much either.
>

I'd vote anything else - Green Party, anything - before Lieberman after
his pro-Bush war stance. Al Sharpton is well known to us here in New York
for showing up when there is a media frenzy to be created; and up here he
is regarded as being sleazy and unprincipled. Not sure if this counts for
or against electability.

I also have heard some good things about Kucinich.

clo

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> Looking up restricted code,
> http://zimmer.csufresno.edu/~johnca/spch100/3-3-bernstein.htm
> causes me not to read beyond the first paragraph.

I just looked at that url and also couldn't read very far since I get to
read more than enough student papers of my own to be interested in
reading a student paper from somewhere else.

Actually, I think it might have been somebody else doing research
similar to Bernstein's who specifically used the example of a mother
saying "because I said so" in response to a child's "why?"  It was the
Bernstein point about codes, though -- the idea that children who get
more exposure to the "elaborated" code (more explanations, etc.) do
better in school, where elaborated code is used.

> However, I'm will to take full responsibility for you should you not pass
> the 3rd grade this year.

As well you should.  I will hold you to that.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> I'd vote anything else - Green Party, anything - before Lieberman after

I don't think of Green Party in the same breath with "anything else."  I
feel a strong affinity with the Green Party.

> his pro-Bush war stance. Al Sharpton is well known to us here in New York
> for showing up when there is a media frenzy to be created; and up here he
> is regarded as being sleazy and unprincipled. Not sure if this counts for
> or against electability.

I think I had picked up some of those vibes, though I can't remember
exactly where or the exact nature of the vibes.  I just know that I had
never considered him a viable candidate until listening to him last
night.  My elimination game last night was indeed just a game, based on
whims of the moment.  I am quite likely to change my mind about my
rankings of them with the passing of time, although I do think Dean will
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I think I may have said this here before but I don't mind saying it again.  I am very
impressed with Howard Dean.  He has a very direct style that is both thoughtful and
engaging.  He seems to be unafraid to speak his mind or take a position that isn't poll-
determined popular.  This may make him unelectable - and as former Gov of VT he
certainly doesn't have a huge power base to draw from.  But I like him best of the
candidates that are out there.

BrP



> > >  I guess the first two I would toss out would be Kucinich and Graham.
> > > After that I guess Braun and Lieberman. Then maybe Gephardt.  Then
> > > probably Edwards -- who is not going to go far, imho, because of his
> > > style.  Ok, so let me think who that leaves:  Dean, Sharpton, Kerry.
> >
> > As much entertainment value as he may have, it is hard to imagine
> > Al Sharpton electable. I'm not sure I would let Kucinich go so
> > quickly, but I would just as soon see Lieberman dropped in the
> > first round. I don't think Gephardt offers much either.
> >
>
> I'd vote anything else - Green Party, anything - before Lieberman after
> his pro-Bush war stance. Al Sharpton is well known to us here in New York
> for showing up when there is a media frenzy to be created; and up here he
> is regarded as being sleazy and unprincipled. Not sure if this counts for
> or against electability.
>
> I also have heard some good things about Kucinich.
>
> clo

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> I think I may have said this here before but I don't mind saying it again.  I am very
> impressed with Howard Dean.  He has a very direct style that is both thoughtful and
> engaging.  He seems to be unafraid to speak his mind or take a position that isn't poll-
> determined popular.  This may make him unelectable - and as former Gov of VT he
> certainly doesn't have a huge power base to draw from.  But I like him best of the
> candidates that are out there.

You have good sense, BrP!

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> >> However, I'm will to take full responsibility for you should you not pass
> >> the 3rd grade this year.
>
> >As well you should.  I will hold you to that.

Given curriculum changes, this may be more of a challenge than
either of you foresee!
clo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>   One person I hadn't been paying all that
> much attention to but really liked tonight is Rev. Sharpton.  He was
> funny and made very good sense.

    A racist purjurer with blood on his hands.  You sure can pick 'em.

JMW

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> Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.ourfuture.org/projects/national_conference/index.cfm
> >
> > Great timing!
>
> Timing?

I thought yesterday was maybe not a very
good day for recruitment for that cause.
Another day, perhaps, but not yesterday.


              - D. M.

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At 08:30 PM 4/9/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I just watched tv.  I'm becoming so non-mutant it's mind-boggling.  I
>wish I'd turned it on earlier.  I missed many of the opening remarks
>(and was out of the room during some other snippets).  It was a thing on
>C-SPAN sponsored by the Children's Defense Fund and included all the
>Democratic candidates for Pres (Dubya was invited but declined).  It was
>interesting seeing all these people, many of whom I had only read about
>and not seen the bodies of.  Dean is still my choice, though I think I
>need to tell him to back off a bit on the Vermont talk.  Some of that is
>good -- he needs to establish his experience and the excellent record,
>but Vermont is not necessarily representative of the whole country.
>Kerry's speaking ability is going to make him go far, imho.  It should
>probably not be that way, but the truth is that camera charisma matters
>enormously in an election.  One person I hadn't been paying all that
>much attention to but really liked tonight is Rev. Sharpton.  He was
>funny and made very good sense.
>
>One of my main feelings in watching this forum was <I'm proud to be a
>Democrat>.  I liked pretty much everything that every one of them said.
>I started thinking about who I would eliminate if it were up to me to
>start narrowing the field right now.  I guess the first two I would toss
>out would be Kucinich and Graham.  After that I guess Braun and
>Lieberman.  Then maybe Gephardt.  Then probably Edwards -- who is not
>going to go far, imho, because of his style.  Ok, so let me think who
>that leaves:  Dean, Sharpton, Kerry.  Am I leaving out anybody?  If not,
>those are my picks for The Final Three.
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


All Sharpton makes me sick. He's a leech. If you want to know what's wrong
the Democratic Party, look no further than Al. He's a three ring circus
that the Democratic Party should have the balls to tell he does not belong
on the podium.

lisa

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:

> Oh, come now, Doris.  It's always
> a good day to mouth platitudes like
> wanting "America's young people to
> have a future", innit?

I think I need to look again at that website.  I don't remember such
platitudes.  It was an announcement, iirc, for a conference to be sort
of a think-tank or whatever to get the country back on a saner course.

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D.M.:
> Another day, perhaps, but not yesterday.

Oh, come now, Doris.  It's always
a good day to mouth platitudes like
wanting "America's young people to
have a future", innit?

In other matters, that's the first
time I remember seeing the .cfm file
extension.  Up 'til now, I'd seen
that applied only to footwear.

--
Richard       Mitford/Waugh in re: humanbeinghood

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John Williams wrote:

>     A racist purjurer with blood on his hands.  You sure can pick 'em.

What blood?  I vaguely remember his questionable involvement in court
cases, but I don't know about the blood on his hands.  As I said last
night, I've paid much attention to him.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > > > http://www.ourfuture.org/projects/national_conference/index.cfm
> > >
> > > Great timing!
> >
> > Timing?
>
> I thought yesterday was maybe not a very
> good day for recruitment for that cause.
> Another day, perhaps, but not yesterday.

Huh?  I don't get it.  Why would things like pushing for universal
health care, a better environment, etc. vary from one day to another?
What was different about yesterday?

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> that the Democratic Party should have the balls to tell he does not belong
> on the podium.

That's not how democratic principles work.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> night, I've paid much attention to him.

I don't usually bother to correct typos/brainos/etc that are pretty
obvious, but I guess in a case like leaving out the NOT, I should record
the fact that the above was supposed to say "I've not paid...."

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>>that the Democratic Party should have the
>>balls to tell he does not belong
> That's not how democratic principles work.

Since today's theme seems to be the
blindingly obvious, I'll go to the
trouble of musing:

Who said the Democrats, or anyone
else, was democratic?

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:

> Who said the Democrats, or anyone
> else, was democratic?

It is no doubt true that not everything works in a <democratic> way.
The Greens will of course tell you that Democrats aren't much better
than Republicans.  But I disagree.  We have not yet produced a King
George.  (That reminds me of something funny -- well, scary sort of --
somebody sent me yesterday describing Dubya's body language.)

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Where are you on Your Birthday?

Have a happy one!

Kristin

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Indeed!  Have a very HB!

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>We have not yet produced a King George.

I'm going to let Sylvia or some other
masochist pick this up, if she chooses.

Me, I'm going to calculate how much longer
it is before I can have a drink.

--
Richard       Mitford/Waugh in re: humanbeinghood

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whimsy:
>>Me, I'm going to calculate how much longer
>>it is before I can have a drink.
> In days, hours, minutes and seconds?

"Ah cack-a-late it down t'th'last goddam minute!"
            --David Bromberg, in another context

The best I can do is plus or minus about
eight minutes; there's never any telling how
long "Pange Ligua" will drone on, especially
if one of the old-timers cranks it up in Latin.

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Rashmi:
> >Richard, lifelong Democrat
> What does this mean? I'm serious - it's ignorant furriner time.

First, <lifelong> may be an overstatement;
amend that to "since I reached voting age".
And I am as much a capital-D Democrat as
I am a capital-L Libertarian.

All it means is that I have lived only in
areas where one has to state a specific
party registration in order to participate
in primary elections.

As a practical matter, where I grew up,
it was best to have a <properly registered>
family when the precinct captain comes around
to count heads.  That's where the "as if there
were a choice" crack came from.

--
Richard       Mitford/Waugh in re: humanbeinghood

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> "You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white
guy,
> the best golfer is a black guy,  the tallest guy in the NBA is
Chinese, the
> Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the US of arrogance,
> Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the 3 most powerful men in
America
> are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon"
>
> Attributed to Chris Rock, but I can't authenticate this.
>
>

Looks like people are adding items to this.
Much longer than the first version I saw.

            - D. M.

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>Richard, lifelong Democrat

What does this mean? I'm serious - it's ignorant furriner time.

TIA,
-rashmi


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In a message dated 4/9/2003 7:04:12 PM, adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<< > In some cultures it is the responsibility of the person whose
> birthday it is to supply the party. >>

That's how it is done in Holland. I remember passing around goodies in
school, and later at work too. "Land's wijs land's eer" as "they" say :-}
Roughly translated: one does it the way the country prescribes it.
Theo

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JMW:
>Since when did Cook County restrict the franchise to <living>

I suspect I'm still registered there.

>Chicago has long had a reputation for not only letting graveyards
>vote but doing so in alphbetical order.

Down here, we bury people above ground
so it's easier for them to get to the
polls.

--
Richard       Mitford/Waugh in re: humanbeinghood

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> >Richard, lifelong Democrat

    Since when did Cook County restrict the franchise to <living>
voters?

> What does this mean? I'm serious - it's ignorant furriner time.

    Chicago has long had a reputation for not only letting graveyards
vote but doing so in alphbetical order.

JMW

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>As a practical matter, where I grew up,
>it was best to have a <properly registered>
>family when the precinct captain comes around
>to count heads.  That's where the "as if there
>were a choice" crack came from.
>Richard       Mitford/Waugh in re: humanbeinghood

And those heads included the ones in the family cemetary.


    --bonniev

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At 10:31 AM 4/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > that the Democratic Party should have the balls to tell he does not belong
> > on the podium.
>
>That's not how democratic principles work.

You're right and I think and I think it's a contributing factor to the
weakening of the party over the past couple years.

lisa



>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Happy Day.

alyce

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no straight, chaser:
= >We have not yet produced a King George.
=
= I'm going to let Sylvia or some other
= masochist pick this up, if she chooses.
=
= Me, I'm going to calculate how much longer
= it is before I can have a drink.
=

In days, hours, minutes and seconds?

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"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy,
the best golfer is a black guy,  the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the
Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the US of arrogance,
Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the 3 most powerful men in America
are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon"

Attributed to Chris Rock, but I can't authenticate this.


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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Huh?  I don't get it.  Why would things like pushing for universal
> health care, a better environment, etc. vary from one day to another?
> What was different about yesterday?

    For one thing, before yesterday human rights organizations weren't
clamoring for open access to Iraqi citizens.

JMW

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JMW:

> > What does this mean? I'm serious - it's ignorant furriner time.

>    Chicago has long had a reputation for not only letting graveyards
>vote but doing so in alphbetical order.

Of course, I know this. It's one of those old-fart stereotypes/jokes
repeated ad nauseum. I was wondering what Democrat meant. I see that
it means "registered as a member of the Democratic party". Not too
meaningful,  imo.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-10 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > JMW:
> >
> > >> What does this mean? I'm serious - it's ignorant furriner time.
> > >
> > >   Chicago has long had a reputation for not only letting graveyards
> > >vote but doing so in alphbetical order.
> >
> > Of course, I know this. It's one of those old-fart stereotypes/jokes
> > repeated ad nauseum.
>
> But the fun is in the witty verbal variations that come out
> every tough-talking old fart's mouth. How about "people taking
> an extended dirt nap"? That's pretty clever.

Thanks for a new and <interesting> definition of "clever".
clo

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
> one does it the way the country prescribes it.

Or, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do."

alyce

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Looks like people are adding items to this.
> Much longer than the first version I saw.

It's the same length as when I first heard it a few weeks ago.  Or at
least I think it is.  I don't notice anything new in it.

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John Williams wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Huh?  I don't get it.  Why would things like pushing for universal
> > health care, a better environment, etc. vary from one day to another?
> > What was different about yesterday?
>
>     For one thing, before yesterday human rights organizations weren't
> clamoring for open access to Iraqi citizens.

I'm not sure what you mean.

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> > > that the Democratic Party should have the balls to tell he does not belong
> > > on the podium.
> >
> >That's not how democratic principles work.
>
> You're right and I think and I think it's a contributing factor to the
> weakening of the party over the past couple years.

I'm confused.  It what?  Democratic principles are contributing to what
you perceive as the weakening of the party?  I'm also not sure how
you're using "weakening" -- I see the party as having strengthened in
the past year or so -- in the sense of moving away from the
Republicanish stances that it had been leaning toward and standing for
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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>  I was wondering what Democrat meant. I see that
> it means "registered as a member of the Democratic party". Not too
> meaningful,  imo.

Maybe in Richard's case that's what it means, but I don't think that
there's any clearcut definition of that kind.  I think it's a matter of
whatever you call yourself.  If being a Democrat requires registering to
vote by party, then I would not be able to be a Democrat unless I moved
to a state that registers that way.  I feel that I can call myself a
Democrat on the basis of various fairly clear things:  I donate time and
money to the Democratic Party, I've served on the Executive Board of my
county's Democratic Party, I'm currently on the Advistory Committee, I'm
a member of the Friends of the Oktibbeha County Democratic Party, I
attend events sponsored by the local Democratic Party.  But I think that
even if I did none of the above that I could still call myself a
Democrat if I chose to -- like if I simply agreed with most of the
party's platforms and voted Democrat most of the time.

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rashmi:
> it means "registered as a member of the
> Democratic party". Not too meaningful,  imo.

Correct, at least in my case.

But it beats having to join something
like the Ba'athists or the Kim Jong Il
Fan Club.

--
I like it here

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02003-04-10 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> JMW:
>
> >> What does this mean? I'm serious - it's ignorant furriner time.
> >
> >   Chicago has long had a reputation for not only letting graveyards
> >vote but doing so in alphbetical order.
>
> Of course, I know this. It's one of those old-fart stereotypes/jokes
> repeated ad nauseum.

But the fun is in the witty verbal variations that come out
every tough-talking old fart's mouth. How about "people taking
an extended dirt nap"? That's pretty clever.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-10 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > John Williams wrote:
> > >
> > > Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > >
> > > > Huh?  I don't get it.  Why would things like pushing for universal
> > > > health care, a better environment, etc. vary from one day to another?
> > > > What was different about yesterday?
> > >
> > >     For one thing, before yesterday human rights organizations weren't
> > > clamoring for open access to Iraqi citizens.
> >
> > I'm not sure what you mean.
>
> Ha ha ha ha ... what's this about meaning? More power to those
> who put their backs out making allusive portentous statements!

Allusive? Or elusive?
clo

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In a message dated 4/10/2003 11:28:17 AM, williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU
writes:

<<     Chicago has long had a reputation for not only letting graveyards
vote but doing so in alphbetical order.
 >>

I could make a comment, but I'll be nice! ;-}
Theo

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In a message dated 4/10/2003 12:03:19 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Or, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do."

 >>

English is not the language of Holland, so therefor WE do not say that.
Theo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > > > > Huh?  I don't get it.  Why would things like pushing for universal
> > > > > health care, a better environment, etc. vary from one day to another?
> > > > > What was different about yesterday?
> > > >
> > > >     For one thing, before yesterday human rights organizations weren't
> > > > clamoring for open access to Iraqi citizens.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure what you mean.
> >
> > Ha ha ha ha ... what's this about meaning? More power to those
> > who put their backs out making allusive portentous statements!
>
> Allusive? Or elusive?

Same result either way, at least from the pov of one who doesn't get the
allusion.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-04-10 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> John Williams wrote:
> >
> > Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > > Huh?  I don't get it.  Why would things like pushing for universal
> > > health care, a better environment, etc. vary from one day to another?
> > > What was different about yesterday?
> >
> >     For one thing, before yesterday human rights organizations weren't
> > clamoring for open access to Iraqi citizens.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean.

Ha ha ha ha ... what's this about meaning? More power to those
who put their backs out making allusive portentous statements!

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At 01:08 PM 4/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > > > that the Democratic Party should have the balls to tell he does not
> belong
> > > > on the podium.
> > >
> > >That's not how democratic principles work.
> >
> > You're right and I think and I think it's a contributing factor to the
> > weakening of the party over the past couple years.
>
>I'm confused.  It what?  Democratic principles are contributing to what
>you perceive as the weakening of the party?  I'm also not sure how
>you're using "weakening" -- I see the party as having strengthened in
>the past year or so -- in the sense of moving away from the
>Republicanish stances that it had been leaning toward and standing for
>things.

You know what, I know I started this little thing but I think I'm going to
bow out to it without further explaining myself. I said what I wanted to
say, Sharpton is a piece of shit. I don't like him associating himself with
the democratic party because I think he's harmful to the party overall.
Best I can tell, you disagree with me. This is about all the energy I want
to put into this discussion.

lisa


>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> At 01:08 PM 4/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >lisa alfieri wrote:
> >
> > > > > that the Democratic Party should have the balls to tell he does not
> > belong
> > > > > on the podium.
> > > >
> > > >That's not how democratic principles work.
> > >
> > > You're right and I think and I think it's a contributing factor to the
> > > weakening of the party over the past couple years.
> >
> >I'm confused.  It what?  Democratic principles are contributing to what
> >you perceive as the weakening of the party?  I'm also not sure how
> >you're using "weakening" -- I see the party as having strengthened in
> >the past year or so -- in the sense of moving away from the
> >Republicanish stances that it had been leaning toward and standing for
> >things.
>
> You know what, I know I started this little thing but I think I'm going to
> bow out to it without further explaining myself. I said what I wanted to
> say, Sharpton is a piece of shit. I don't like him associating himself with
> the democratic party because I think he's harmful to the party overall.
> Best I can tell, you disagree with me. This is about all the energy I want
> to put into this discussion.

That's fine if you want to bow out.  What you say in this latest message
makes sense to me:  that you don't like him associating himself with the
Democratic Party because you think he's harmful to the party overall.  I
see nothing the least bit confusing about that.  What you had said
earlier was that you didn't think the Party should allow him to
participate.  To me that's quite a different matter.

--
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>>    Chicago has long had a reputation for not only letting graveyards
>>vote but doing so in alphbetical order.
>
>Of course, I know this. It's one of those old-fart stereotypes/jokes
>repeated ad nauseum.

I hope you do realize that it isn't simply a joke.  They literally did (or
do) get votes counted in elections from people who are dead.

>  I was wondering what Democrat meant. I see that
>it means "registered as a member of the Democratic party". Not too
>meaningful,  imo.      -rashmi

I disagree.  It's quite meaningful to be a "life long Democrat" in the way
that Richard used it.  There are families that find it so meaningful that
they disinherit their children if they marry into a Republican family.


    --bonniev

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One of my high school classmates came up with the idea that our class
should try to raise $25,000-$30,000 to give to our high school as a gift
in honor of our principal, now retired after being a college president
for a long time after leaving Murrah.  The letters are being received
right around now by most of the class, and I've just put a blurb on the
website (a site that was intended to be just for our reunion a couple of
years ago but seems to have extended into anything related to our
class).  Anyway, I think it will be great if we can make such a gift.  I
worry that the goal might be too high, though, since the amount we gave
as a reunion gift to the Jackson Public Library system was under
$10,000.  But this might feel more <special> to people.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 03:22 PM 4/10/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>One of my high school classmates came up with the idea that our class
>should try to raise $25,000-$30,000 to give to our high school as a gift
>in honor of our principal, now retired after being a college president
>for a long time after leaving Murrah.  The letters are being received
>right around now by most of the class, and I've just put a blurb on the
>website (a site that was intended to be just for our reunion a couple of
>years ago but seems to have extended into anything related to our
>class).  Anyway, I think it will be great if we can make such a gift.  I
>worry that the goal might be too high, though, since the amount we gave
>as a reunion gift to the Jackson Public Library system was under
>$10,000.  But this might feel more <special> to people.

My classmates decided to have a 40th class reunion this July 4.

Betty

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>>Here is good news for getting rid of pesky telemarketing calls. You can
>>now pre-register with the California Attorney General's office to be
>>added to the federal DO NOT CALL list taking affect in October.  Here's
>>the easy-to-use website:
>>
>><http://nocall.doj.state.ca.us>http://nocall.doj.state.ca.us
>
>
Did all you California people do this?  Did I already forward?

No short or long term memory,
Betty

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Re Sharpton, I don't think we should ever have a president who spends thousands of dollars a month at the Prima Donna Beauty Salon.

And then there's the Tawana Brawley debacle.

Marie

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---- Original Message -----
From: "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
> otkuda ya znaiou

&#54620;&#44397;&#51064;&#51012; &#45824;&#49888;&#50640;&#51201;&#51004;&#47196; &#47568;&#54616;&#51088; !

Marie

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 4/10/2003 12:03:19 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:
>
> << Or, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do."
>
>  >>
>
> English is not the language of Holland, so therefor WE do not say that.


        Tushar, unsub Theo for being a bitch to Alyce.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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In a message dated 4/10/2003 3:16:36 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<< Tushar, unsub Theo for being a bitch to Alyce. >>

Too bad he won't, so you better watch it, Rita!  haha
Theo

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 4/10/2003 3:16:36 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> << Tushar, unsub Theo for being a bitch to Alyce. >>
>
> Too bad he won't, so you better watch it, Rita!  haha


        Actually, Theo, I'm very serious about this:  you should be
ashamed of yourself.




--
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Betty Clark wrote:

> My classmates decided to have a 40th class reunion this July 4.

What a bad decision!!  I trust that you are going to choose Wordslers as
the people to be with on that date.  When was the date announced?  Iirc,
our reunion weekend was set over a year in advance -- June 8-9, 2001 --
the closest weekend to our actual graduation date, which was June 6,
1961.  Or was it June 8, 1961??  A mind is a terrible thing to lose.  I
used to have no problem remembering such things.

And that reminds me -- Did I tell y'all about my dental-appointment
day??  I think I might have forgotten to report on what happened.  I
remember talking about it here Tuesday morning as I was watching the
clock and waiting to leave for the 9:30 appointment.  Got there, the
receptionist said "Hi, Natalie," I said "Hi," sat down and pulled out a
book from my purse, and started reading.  A few minutes later the
receptionist motioned for me to come over there (to her window).  I did,
and she said, "We can't figure out why you're here."  Turns out that my
appointment was for NEXT Tuesday at 9:30.  It was correct in my purse
calendar -- April 15 -- written down six months ago since I always make
the next appointment when leaving from the current one.  I thought maybe
that I had transferred the info incorrectly to my refrigerator
calendar.  But no -- when I got home (at the end of that day, having
gone on to campus from the dentist's office), I looked and saw that it
too showed the dental appointment as April 15.  I had obviously looked
at that calendar and decided last Tuesday was the 15th.  I told this
story at lunch and asked the gerontology expert (psych dept) in the
group whether that wasn't one of the questions doctors ask suspected
alzheimers patients -- "What is today's date?"  She said yes but that
getting anywhere close is considered ok.  Still, I wonder...

Speaking of wrong answers to questions, one of my lunch friends told
today about a recent test he'd given in his astronomy class.  He threw
in two joke questions:  How many astronauts have walked on Mars?  How
many astronauts have walked on Venus?  Although the large majority of
the students answered with zero to both, he had a few students who gave
answers like two or three.

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Betty Clark wrote:

> No short or long term memory,
> Betty

You make me feel better.  Meanwhile, though, do you know the Berkeley
nurse who has SARS?

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> And then there's the Tawana Brawley debacle.

That's the name I couldn't remember when I mentioned his court messes.
Contrary to Lisa's belief, I am not promoting him for Pres.  The <rules>
of my game last night were to eliminate on the basis of the moment's
whim -- as in their performances last night.  Sharpton's was quite good,
imho.  I mentioned it at lunch today, and several people said that
(though they didn't see last night's C-SPAN thing that I was talking
about) they loved watching him speak on tv -- that he smart and funny
and often right on the mark in his comments -- and that he wasn't mealy
mouthed -- that he came right out with what he believed.  One of the
people who said the above is the person we call our token Republican,
btw.  He's a Republican no more, though.  The war is what changed him.
He's still not naming a party -- he calls himself Independent -- but
he's said that Dubya's tenure in office has made him quite sure that he
will vote Democratic in the next election -- that he was already pretty
sure of that but that the war pushed him over into being totally sure.
(His Sharpton comments, as well as the other people's today, did not
mean to be suggesting he should be Pres, btw.  Or at least that wasn't
my impression.)

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> << Tushar, unsub Theo for being a bitch to Alyce. >>
>
> Too bad he won't, so you better watch it, Rita!  haha

Afaik, Tushar can't unsub anybody anyway.  Only Adam and Jim can.

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At 04:59 PM 4/10/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > My classmates decided to have a 40th class reunion this July 4.
>
>What a bad decision!!  I trust that you are going to choose Wordslers as
>the people to be with on that date.  When was the date announced?  Iirc,
>our reunion weekend was set over a year in advance -- June 8-9, 2001 --
>the closest weekend to our actual graduation date, which was June 6,
>1961.  Or was it June 8, 1961??  A mind is a terrible thing to lose.  I
>used to have no problem remembering such things.

They usually do ours much in advance, too.  I think all those local folks
just figured out it was going to be number forty and thought it would be
nice.  I'll be sorry to miss it. There was only about 35 in my graduating
class so it was never a big affair.


>And that reminds me -- Did I tell y'all about my dental-appointment
>day??  I think I might have forgotten to report on what happened.  I
>remember talking about it here Tuesday morning as I was watching the
>clock and waiting to leave for the 9:30 appointment.  Got there, the
>receptionist said "Hi, Natalie," I said "Hi," sat down and pulled out a
>book from my purse, and started reading.  A few minutes later the
>receptionist motioned for me to come over there (to her window).  I did,
>and she said, "We can't figure out why you're here."  Turns out that my
>appointment was for NEXT Tuesday at 9:30.  It was correct in my purse
>calendar -- April 15 -- written down six months ago since I always make
>the next appointment when leaving from the current one.  I thought maybe
>that I had transferred the info incorrectly to my refrigerator
>calendar.  But no -- when I got home (at the end of that day, having
>gone on to campus from the dentist's office), I looked and saw that it
>too showed the dental appointment as April 15.  I had obviously looked
>at that calendar and decided last Tuesday was the 15th.  I told this
>story at lunch and asked the gerontology expert (psych dept) in the
>group whether that wasn't one of the questions doctors ask suspected
>alzheimers patients -- "What is today's date?"  She said yes but that
>getting anywhere close is considered ok.  Still, I wonder...

I showed up a month early for my massage. I was not happy.

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At 05:00 PM 4/10/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > No short or long term memory,
> > Betty
>
>You make me feel better.  Meanwhile, though, do you know the Berkeley
>nurse who has SARS?

Probably not. What is her name?

Betty

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> > On 9 Apr 2003 at 20:30, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > >  I guess the first two I would toss out would be Kucinich and
Graham.
> > > After that I guess Braun and Lieberman. Then maybe Gephardt.  Then
> > > probably Edwards -- who is not going to go far, imho, because of
his
> > > style.  Ok, so let me think who that leaves:  Dean, Sharpton,
Kerry.
>

The new Time magazine says this is how much
money they have raised so far.  Gives you an idea
of who might be in the run, as far as money goes.

John Edwards         7.4 mil
John Kerry              7    mil
Dick Gephardt        3.6  mil
Joe Lieberman         3    mil
Howard Dean          2.6 mil

                          - D. M.

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Betty Clark wrote:

> I showed up a month early for my massage. I was not happy.

Oh good.  I'm feeling less and less mutant.  And I can feel happy that
at least my situation didn't result in delayed gratification as yours
did.  As I think I said Tuesday, going to the dentist is so boring.

Did I mention that there's a dentist in Huntsville named Dr. Boring?

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Betty Clark wrote:

> >  Meanwhile, though, do you know the Berkeley
> >nurse who has SARS?
>
> Probably not. What is her name?

I don't know.  I don't think her name was publicized.  Or maybe his.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> The new Time magazine says this is how much
> money they have raised so far.  Gives you an idea
> of who might be in the run, as far as money goes.
>
> John Edwards         7.4 mil
> John Kerry              7    mil
> Dick Gephardt        3.6  mil
> Joe Lieberman         3    mil
> Howard Dean          2.6 mil

This kind of thing is very sad to me -- the fundraising part of
politics.  It's what my RRB&SIL thrive on.  They adore hosting
$2000-a-couple parties at their house for candidates.  I find it all
kind of sick.  I wish candidates could campaign free -- as in it's a
public-service thing.

I wonder why Edwards has raised that much money.  That's sort of
surprising to me.  I'm happy that my meager contribution went to Dean.
He apparently needs it.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Betty Clark wrote:
>
>
>>I showed up a month early for my massage. I was not happy.
>>
>
> Oh good.  I'm feeling less and less mutant.  And I can feel happy that
> at least my situation didn't result in delayed gratification as yours
> did.  As I think I said Tuesday, going to the dentist is so boring.
>
> Did I mention that there's a dentist in Huntsville named Dr. Boring?


        My urologist is Dr. Stiff.




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At 06:16 PM 4/10/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>Betty Clark wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I showed up a month early for my massage. I was not happy.
>>
>>Oh good.  I'm feeling less and less mutant.  And I can feel happy that
>>at least my situation didn't result in delayed gratification as yours
>>did.  As I think I said Tuesday, going to the dentist is so boring.
>>
>>Did I mention that there's a dentist in Huntsville named Dr. Boring?
>
>
>        My urologist is Dr. Stiff.

I worked for a urologist named Dr. Stone.

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I just googled around for a while and am convinced that the person who
said today that there was a confirmed case at Berkeley got the Berkeley
part from the fact that somebody's talk that was given at Berkeley
mentioned a new SARS case in a nurse in some unspecified US location.
I'm feeling better knowing that BB is not a risk.

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02003-04-10 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>        My urologist is Dr. Stiff.

Please, good looking eggplant. That's not funny at all.
Unless his name is Richard ... is that what you meant?

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> The article stated "the NC Senator's haul
> surprised all."   So you are not alone.

I am not surprised, but I am disturbed. It is as if he is the
pre-ordained One. And he is bland, middle of the road, no way a real
Democrat. If he is the candidate, it will be more of the same, with no
social advances whatsoever. Discouraged in G-town.

alyce

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Betty wrote:
> >        My urologist is Dr. Stiff.
>
> I worked for a urologist named Dr. Stone.

I had a surgeon named Dr. Slaughter.

alyce


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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-10 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>       My urologist is Dr. Stiff.
>>
>
> Please, good looking eggplant. That's not funny at all.
> Unless his name is Richard ... is that what you meant?
>


        OMG.  I just looked at the appointment card.  It is.




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> I wonder why Edwards has raised that much money.  That's sort of
> surprising to me.  I'm happy that my meager contribution went to Dean.
> He apparently needs it.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>

The article stated "the NC Senator's haul
surprised all."   So you are not alone.

             - D. M.

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Five minutes!  At least in my time zone.

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02003-04-10 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-04-10 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> >>      My urologist is Dr. Stiff.
> >
> >Please, good looking eggplant. That's not funny at all.
> >Unless his name is Richard ... is that what you meant?
>
>
>        OMG.  I just looked at the appointment card.  It is.

NOW it's funny.

Christened over the protests of poor old Mrs Stiff, I think

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At 07:40 PM 4/10/2003 -0400, alyce cresap wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> > >        My urologist is Dr. Stiff.
> >
> > I worked for a urologist named Dr. Stone.
>
>I had a surgeon named Dr. Slaughter.

I hope he didn't do any surgery!

Betty

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At 06:41 PM 4/10/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Tushar Samant wrote:
>
>>02003-04-10 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>
>>>       My urologist is Dr. Stiff.
>>
>>Please, good looking eggplant. That's not funny at all.
>>Unless his name is Richard ... is that what you meant?
>
>
>        OMG.  I just looked at the appointment card.  It is.

So why are you seeing a urologist? I thought your liver was bad.

Betty

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I just got "banned" from another list. For discomfiting the guy
whose machine hosted the newsgroup. It is interesting, actually,
how readily younger people do this banning thing. People on older
fora would recoil from the idea--and I think a denser presence
of academics and librarians had something to do with it. Here,
the level of discussion is pathetic--mainly on the lines of "it's
his private thing, he can do what he wants" etc. The bigger point
is lost, and I predict it will be more and more so in the "maturing"
social world of the web. The web's a great thing for gated communities.
Anyway that's not what I wanted to talk about. It just reminded me
of a particularly sad story of a history teacher I had. She could
read the book, we all could read the book, and it was anyway about
a pretty well-known fact, but she kept insisting that "General Dyer"
was the same as "Sir Michael O'Dwyer". Yes, I have discussed this
in 1991. And then when I protested she turned on me and the whole
discussion was about what an arrogant blowhard I was and who did
I think I was. My point was, if two people are being called two
names, and are being talked about as two different people, she
should explain why she thinks they are the same guy. She wanted
proof from ME. Then she got pissed off when I refused to agree
with her, and muttered something about the reasons why students
don't do well on tests. Finally I had to say I had read it in
a Sunday paper once that they were different--and I felt like
ass. I should have stuck to my guns. But I knew if this stupid
fight went all the way up to Fr Diego, he would do some weaselly
conciliatory thing anyway.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> I am not surprised, but I am disturbed. It is as if he is the
> pre-ordained One.

Who do you think the funders/pre-ordainers are, and why?

> And he is bland, middle of the road, no way a real
> Democrat. If he is the candidate, it will be more of the same, with no
> social advances whatsoever. Discouraged in G-town.

This is the kind of thing I was getting at when asking Lisa what she
meant by "weakening" the party.  I see middle-of-the-roaders as
weakening, although the reason I asked Lisa what she meant is that I
also understand the thought that middle-roading might win more votes,
thus <strengthening> in a way.

But I've gotta log off and watch the electric teevee.

--
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-04-10 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:40 PM 4/10/2003 -0400, alyce cresap wrote:
> >Betty wrote:
> >> >        My urologist is Dr. Stiff.
> >>
> >> I worked for a urologist named Dr. Stone.
> >
> >I had a surgeon named Dr. Slaughter.
>
> I hope he didn't do any surgery!

No, Dr Stiff did that part.

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At 07:22 PM 4/10/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>I just got "banned" from another list. For discomfiting the guy
>whose machine hosted the newsgroup.

How many lists have you been banned from now?

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> At 06:41 PM 4/10/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>> 02003-04-10 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>>       My urologist is Dr. Stiff.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please, good looking eggplant. That's not funny at all.
>>> Unless his name is Richard ... is that what you meant?
>>
>>
>>
>>        OMG.  I just looked at the appointment card.  It is.
>
>
> So why are you seeing a urologist? I thought your liver was bad.


        No, my liver is no longer pissed off at me.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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In your own intolerant way, you're very tolerant. That makes you very
American, in a classic sort of way.

Sandra

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I just got "banned" from another list.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> What blood?  I vaguely remember his questionable involvement in court
> cases, but I don't know about the blood on his hands.

    He incited a mob to attack a business that resulted in seven deaths.
But, hey, as long as he's a Democrat, right?

JMW

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02003-04-10 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:22 PM 4/10/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >I just got "banned" from another list. For discomfiting the guy
> >whose machine hosted the newsgroup.
>
> How many lists have you been banned from now?

Who knows ... as I said, since the inter-web began expanding,
and bringing in people of all ages and from all walks of life,
this has become rampant. During prehistory, uh I mean 1991,
the most arbitrary ISP still tried to limit this to objective
"abuse of service".

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02003-04-10 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> In your own intolerant way, you're very tolerant. That makes you very
> American, in a classic sort of way.

Thanks a lot! I feel a lot more ignorant already!

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Oh yeah ... another story I told in '91: this is from the "talent
search" class where all of us, like, pretty talented kids spent
hours on bizarre logic problems. One of the questions was "Sandra
lives in the house the same color as Alyce but Rita is the only
one in the blue house blah blah blah ... Which of the following
does this imply?" And there were four statements. So the teacher--
she was quite smart, I am not questioning that--asks around and
finally they all decide on choice "C".

Except, C wasn't implied by the statements. It was merely consistent
with them. A, B and D were straight out inconsistent. So the answer
should have been E, none of the above. It was my first time ... and
instead of shutting up I mentioned this, and boy it went on for 20
minutes at least, without me at all succeeding in conveying 1% of
my point, and ended with two distasteful things which I thought I
was escaping by going to this class:

1 I was allowed to "opt for" choice E. Like there are two equally
correct answers or whatever ...

2 Talented kids glaring at me for wasting their time. If I were
attentive enough I would have understood the concept of Exam Boy
that very minute ...

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sandra wrote:
>
> In your own intolerant way, you're very tolerant. That makes you very
> American, in a classic sort of way.

The old America, alas.  I heard something at lunch today that was
another very frightening Nazi-like tidbit re what's happening to our
country.  It had something to do with baseball players and the Baseball
Hall of Fame and a movie.  A couple of people who had starred in some
kind of baseball movie were suddenly disinvited from some kind of to-do
they'd been invited to because they had spoken out against the war.
That is *extremely* chilling.  Sometimes I'm not sure which is worse of
the two horrors we're looking at right now: the illegal warmongering or
the increasing domestic gestapoism.

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John Williams wrote:
> > What blood?  I vaguely remember his questionable involvement in court
> > cases, but I don't know about the blood on his hands.
>
>     He incited a mob to attack a business that resulted in seven deaths.

Thanks for the info.  I didn't know about that.  What business was it?
And why is he not in jail?

> But, hey, as long as he's a Democrat, right?

Huh?  I can't see how that's relevant at all since that <ranking> I was
doing last night didn't involve anybody other than Democrats.  Nobody
else was there.  So none of my ranking had anything to do with the
person's political party.

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02003-04-10 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> The old America, alas.  I heard something at lunch today that was
> another very frightening Nazi-like tidbit re what's happening to our
> country.  It had something to do with baseball players and the Baseball
> Hall of Fame and a movie.  A couple of people who had starred in some
> kind of baseball movie were suddenly disinvited from some kind of to-do
> they'd been invited to because they had spoken out against the war.
> That is *extremely* chilling.  Sometimes I'm not sure which is worse of
> the two horrors we're looking at right now: the illegal warmongering or
> the increasing domestic gestapoism.

This could be the worst and most idiotic timing imaginable
to bring this up! Read the papers, stupid! The war is won!

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> :-)  Indeed.  As if anybody ever thought that it would not be <won>
> militarily.

Did y'all hear about the meeting called by one of Saddam's high honchos
with the Saddam look-alikes after a bombing of one of the presidential
palaces?  He called in all of the Saddam look-alikes and said to them,
"I have good news and bad news.  The good news is that Saddam was not
killed in the bombing.  He survived.  The bad news is that he lost an
arm."

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> This could be the worst and most idiotic timing imaginable
> to bring this up! Read the papers, stupid! The war is won!

:-)  Indeed.  As if anybody ever thought that it would not be <won>
militarily.

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At 08:50 PM 4/10/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > :-)  Indeed.  As if anybody ever thought that it would not be <won>
> > militarily.
>
>Did y'all hear about the meeting called by one of Saddam's high honchos
>with the Saddam look-alikes after a bombing of one of the presidential
>palaces?  He called in all of the Saddam look-alikes and said to them,
>"I have good news and bad news.  The good news is that Saddam was not
>killed in the bombing.  He survived.  The bad news is that he lost an
>arm."

Yes, I heard that last week.

Is Survivor over?

Betty

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> Did y'all hear about the meeting called by one of Saddam's high honchos
> with the Saddam look-alikes after a bombing of one of the presidential
> palaces?  He called in all of the Saddam look-alikes and said to them,
> "I have good news and bad news.  The good news is that Saddam was not
> killed in the bombing.  He survived.  The bad news is that he lost an
> arm."

Wasn't that one already told here, and didn't Doris suggest spicing it up?

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com
p.s. even though she's not reading this, hb, Karen

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PS:  I should add that I sincerely did not have the slightest idea what
Doris was talking about when she said the "not yesterday" thing (or was
it "not today" when that was yesterday -- whenever).  Then I did figure
it out.  That was the day when Saddam's people vanished from Baghdad.  I
had not been following war news closely, but I did know that that
happened -- that the US attack on Baghdad went even better than
expected, that Saddam's spokespeople and look-alikes vanished, and that
the townspeople burst forth into looting and rioting and partying.  What
that had to do with that url I forwarded re a conference, I still don't
know.  But I did figure out that her point had something to do with war
progress.

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Betty wrote:

> Is Survivor over?

Oh yes.  A little over an hour ago.  But not for you.  So my lips are
mum.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > Did y'all hear about the meeting called by one of Saddam's high honchos
> > with the Saddam look-alikes after a bombing of one of the presidential
> > palaces?  He called in all of the Saddam look-alikes and said to them,
> > "I have good news and bad news.  The good news is that Saddam was not
> > killed in the bombing.  He survived.  The bad news is that he lost an
> > arm."
>
> Wasn't that one already told here, and didn't Doris suggest spicing it up?

May well have been.  I heard it at lunch, but I might have missed it
here.

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At 09:02 PM 4/10/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Is Survivor over?
>
>Oh yes.  A little over an hour ago.  But not for you.  So my lips are
>mum.

Thank you but I don't watch it.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> >Oh yes.  A little over an hour ago.  But not for you.  So my lips are
> >mum.
>
> Thank you but I don't watch it.

Ohhh.  Who out in that left area of the country might watch it?  Maybe
nobody, in which case I can blab away.  (I miss Myles!  He watched it.)
But I'll hold off the blab until tomorrow just in case.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > >Oh yes.  A little over an hour ago.  But not for you.  So my lips are
> > >mum.

I meant to ask in that reply:  Do I have my words confused?  After
writing that my lips were mum, I decided that lips were sealed but words
were mum -- as in mum's the word.

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Adam, have you listened to her?  I just read in the paper about her album.
They gave it an okay write up.

Betty

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At 09:08 PM 4/10/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > >Oh yes.  A little over an hour ago.  But not for you.  So my lips are
> > >mum.
> >
> > Thank you but I don't watch it.
>
>Ohhh.  Who out in that left area of the country might watch it?  Maybe
>nobody, in which case I can blab away.  (I miss Myles!  He watched it.)
>But I'll hold off the blab until tomorrow just in case.

Good idea and much appreciated.  Change the subject header so others can
delete, too.

Betty

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At 09:10 PM 4/10/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
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> > > >Oh yes.  A little over an hour ago.  But not for you.  So my lips are
> > > >mum.
>
>I meant to ask in that reply:  Do I have my words confused?  After
>writing that my lips were mum, I decided that lips were sealed but words
>were mum -- as in mum's the word.

Just shut up about it and you can't go wrong!

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> >I meant to ask in that reply:  Do I have my words confused?  After
> >writing that my lips were mum, I decided that lips were sealed but words
> >were mum -- as in mum's the word.
>
> Just shut up about it and you can't go wrong!

Oh, I have.  Not a Survivor word will I utter before tomorrow.  Maybe
not even then, unless somebody raises an interesting Survivor point.

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Does anybody else find it ironic that many of the UN members, including
of course SC members like France, Germany, and Russia, were asking for
more time for the UN inspectors -- asking for us to be "patient" while
they searched for WOMD -- and that now Dubya, Rumsfeld, et al are asking
us to be "patient" while they searched for WOMD?

Note to JMW:  Nobody that I know of (other than Saddam and his cronies)
has claimed that there are no WOMD in Iraq.  The point I was making was
simply about the irony of "be patient -- less us look for them."

Or did those ready-to-be-fired chemical warheads you were talking about
here a few days ago turn out to be for real?  I readily admit to not
following the war news closely and thus might have missed the
confirmation of what you were saying.  But it does seem contradictory to
snippets I've heard in the past day or so -- about how no WOMD have been
found yet (though they are probably there somewhere).
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> > > >        My urologist is Dr. Stiff.
> > >
> > > I worked for a urologist named Dr. Stone.
> >
> >I had a surgeon named Dr. Slaughter.
>
My dentist:  Dr. Hack.

ann

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On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> How many lists have you been banned from now?

In listing these, do not forget the Passive Aggressive list.

Ann

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>   A couple of people who had starred in some
> kind of baseball movie

-snork-

Ann

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At 07:42 PM 4/10/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:
> >
> > How many lists have you been banned from now?
>
>In listing these, do not forget the Passive Aggressive list.

Was he on the vegetarian list talking about eating raw chicken or was that
someone else?

Betty

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On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> Was he on the vegetarian list talking about eating raw chicken or was that
> someone else?

that was probably that Mike guy, the professional provocateur.  I've lost
the url for his web site.  He was a painter, I think, as well as a pp.

Ann

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The bookmark.  It's pretty, and not like anything I've seen.

Thanks, Alyce, I will be using it with pleasure.

Ann

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In today's ShopTalk there was an article about Aaron Brown of CNN.
It stated that he often took long pauses and made stream-of-
consciousness speeches.  How close is his style to that of Dave
Garroway's?

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 04/10/2003 8:36:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:


> I heard something at lunch today that was
> another very frightening Nazi-like tidbit re what's happening to our
> country.  It had something to do with baseball players and the Baseball
> Hall of Fame and a movie.

>From ShopTalk:

No Bull: Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon's anti-war stance has led the
Baseball Hall of Fame to cancel a 15th anniversary celebration of Bull
Durham, an event which was to feature the outspoken thesps. Hall
president Dale Petroskey, a former White House assistant press
secretary under Ronald Reagan, sent the couple a letter saying their
remarks "ultimately could put our troops in even more danger." He then
asked them for an autograph. (TV Guide Online)


Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Happy Birthday, Karen!!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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In a message dated 4/10/2003 3:58:17 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<         Actually, Theo, I'm very serious about this:  you should be
ashamed of yourself.
 >>

Alyce and I have "known" each other far longer than any of you. We have also
met ftf once in Colorado, so she knows me better than any of you. She knows
I'm not insulting her, don't you Alyce? If you do, I'm terribly sorry, but I
was just kidding.
Theo

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In a message dated 4/10/2003 4:10:37 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< Afaik, Tushar can't unsub anybody anyway.  Only Adam and Jim can.
 >>

That's what I thought too, but thank you for affirming it.
Theo

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> In today's ShopTalk there was an article about Aaron Brown of CNN.
> It stated that he often took long pauses and made stream-of-
> consciousness speeches.  How close is his style to that of Dave
> Garroway's?
>
> Evelyn Duncan

I don't remember Garroway's style that well, so
don't know.

I know Aaron Brown is much respected and a lot
of people like him, but I grow impatient and want
to say "spit it out . . get on with it."

I guess, in style, I prefer someone like Chris
Matthews.

                              - D. M.

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In a message dated 4/10/2003 9:43:29 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

<< Happy Birthday, Karen!! >>

Ditto from me, have a happy day.
Theo

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02003-04-10 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> >   A couple of people who had starred in some
> > kind of baseball movie
>
> -snork-

What's funny about this, BORKIN? HUH?

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I have to believe Karen is reading all her bday messages. At least, I want
to.

Sch.

-----Original Message-----

On Behalf Of Theodora Groothof

In a message dated 4/10/2003 9:43:29 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

<< Happy Birthday, Karen!! >>

Ditto from me, have a happy day.
Theo

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02003-04-10 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:
> >
> > How many lists have you been banned from now?
>
> In listing these, do not forget the Passive Aggressive list.

Gee, thanks for reminding me!

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02003-04-10 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:42 PM 4/10/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:
> >>
> >> How many lists have you been banned from now?
> >
> >In listing these, do not forget the Passive Aggressive list.
>
> Was he on the vegetarian list talking about eating raw chicken or was that
> someone else?

I don't do crap like that.

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> PS:  I should add that I sincerely did not have the slightest idea
what
> Doris was talking about when she said the "not yesterday" thing (or
was
> it "not today" when that was yesterday -- whenever).  Then I did
figure
> it out.  That was the day when Saddam's people vanished from Baghdad.
I
> had not been following war news closely, but I did know that that
> happened -- that the US attack on Baghdad went even better than
> expected, that Saddam's spokespeople and look-alikes vanished, and
that
> the townspeople burst forth into looting and rioting and partying.
What
> that had to do with that url I forwarded re a conference, I still
don't
> know.  But I did figure out that her point had something to do with
war
> progress.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

What I noted was that a lot of people quit criticizing
and bitching . . for one day, anyway . . and some
were even thinking that maybe we had done a few
things right after all.  Because of the sudden increase
in support, I said it might not be a good
day to attempt recruiting people to "take back the
country" or whatever that phrase was.   The group
you quoted will have more luck in a few days, I
suspect, when people begin bitching again because
there were no immediate solutions for everything.

                   - D. M.

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= in 1991. And then when I protested she turned on me and the whole
= discussion was about what an arrogant blowhard I was and who did
= I think I was. My point was, if two people are being called two

Well, you are, but that's besides the point.

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You're going nowhere.
In Pavia there's an undertaker whose surname is Malattia (illness) and his
office is in "via Pasquale Massacra", i.e. Pasquale Slaughter str.

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Studies: Human Cloning May Be Impossible 
(AP) - Cloning humans, or any other primates, may be impossible 
with today's techniques because of a fundamental molecular obstacle,
say scientists trying to understand why attempts to clone monkeys
have failed. From the very first step, cloned primate cells don't divide
properly, causing a helter-skelter mix of chromosomes too abnormal 
for pregnancy to even begin, University of Pittsburgh researchers
reported Thursday in the journal Science. 

                  - D. M.

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> >   A couple of people who had starred in some
> > kind of baseball movie
>
> -snork-

?  Why are you snorking?

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Doris Markland wrote:

> What I noted was that a lot of people quit criticizing
> and bitching . . for one day, anyway . . and some
> were even thinking that maybe we had done a few
> things right after all.  Because of the sudden increase
> in support, I said it might not be a good

I plead guilty to having been unaware of this sudden increase in support
for our attack.

> day to attempt recruiting people to "take back the
> country" or whatever that phrase was.   The group
> you quoted will have more luck in a few days, I
> suspect, when people begin bitching again because
> there were no immediate solutions for everything.

??? That url had *nothing* to do with the war, as far as I noticed.

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Ann Borkin:
= > > > >        My urologist is Dr. Stiff.
= > > >
= > > > I worked for a urologist named Dr. Stone.
= > >
= > >I had a surgeon named Dr. Slaughter.
= >
= My dentist:  Dr. Hack.
=
= ann

My gp: Dr. Bos (forest).  Let's hope he can see the trees for the
forest!

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Actually, somebody e-mailed this Gunter Grass editorial to me yesterday,
but I'm not sure where it was from since it wasn't in yesterday's IHT.
It's in today's:

http://www.iht.com/articles/92876.htm

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11:59 09.04.2003 -0400 skrev Marie Ascher:
>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>> Betty wrote:
>> >  How about if we announce our
>> > own if we want it recognized?  Discuss.
>>
>> I think it was last year that I did exactly that
>
>In some cultures it is the responsibility of the person whose birthday it is to supply the party. I actually always liked that. Russians do this, right BrP? At least two Russians I've worked with at different times, different places, brought their own cakes in on their birthdays.

It was like that at my work at the Univ. of Bergen.

Espen

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14:30 09.04.2003 -0400 skrev alyce cresap:
>Kristin Sarv wrote:
>> Btw, I like the name Fairview somebody mentioned. I cannot think of its
>> translated variants either. I wonder whether there are corresponding names in
>> French or German or in any other language.
>
>Bellevue, probably is close. There are plenty of Bellevues, I think. At
>least there are Bellevue subdivisions and I used to live on Bellevue
>Place in Chicago.

And there is a Bellevue in Bergen.

Espen

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Espen Ore wrote:

> My father was a Norwegian physicist - maybe they knew each other.

If I see him again, I'll ask him.  I'm not sure how long he's here for.

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16:41 09.04.2003 +0000 skrev Rashmi Murthy:
>Betty wrote:
>>
>>I hope yesterday was a good one for you!  Do you get your birthday off?
>
>First time in my life I woke up to snow on my birthday. wheee!
>I was in DC over the weekend and my friends had cake and champagne
>for me. That was nice.

Good - and this morning there was snow here.

Espen

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11:14 09.04.2003 -0700 skrev Betty Clark:
>At 12:45 PM 4/9/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>Betty Clark wrote:
>>
>>> Perfect!  Bring champagne for July 5, Bonnie's birthday!!
>>
>>I could bring the bottle of champagne that somebody gave me in '01.
>>It's still in my refrigerator.  But I bet it wouldn't be good for it to
>>travel through summer heat, would it.
>
>I don't think you are supposed to age champagne.  Why did they give it to
>you in '01?

There is champagne which ages well but I thought it shouldn't be kept in a refrigerator.

Espen

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15:35 09.04.2003 -0400 skrev Paul R. Barfoot:
>It's tomorrow

Happy Birthday yesterday, Karen.

Espen

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Espen Ore wrote:

> There is champagne which ages well but I thought it shouldn't be kept in a refrigerator.

That is probably true -- that it shouldn't be in the refrigerator.  I
doubt that this is <fine> champagne, though.  Can't remember what its
label says.

I met a nice Norwegian physicist a couple of days ago, Espen.  I've
forgotten his name now.  He's small and uses crutches for some reason
that I think is a permanent condition of some kind.  I had seen him at
one of our peace rallies and wondered who he was, having not ever
noticed him around town before.  Then he showed up at our lunch table
this week, with another physicist.  He's here doing some kind of
research.

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17:12 10.04.2003 -0400 skrev Marie Ascher:
>---- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
>> otkuda ya znaiou
>
>&#54620;&#44397;&#51064;&#51012; &#45824;&#49888;&#50640;&#51201;&#51004;&#47196; &#47568;&#54616;&#51088; !

This looks Korean to me.

Espen

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05:58 11.04.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Espen Ore wrote:
>
>> There is champagne which ages well but I thought it shouldn't be kept in a refrigerator.
>
>That is probably true -- that it shouldn't be in the refrigerator.  I
>doubt that this is <fine> champagne, though.  Can't remember what its
>label says.
>
>I met a nice Norwegian physicist a couple of days ago, Espen.  I've
>forgotten his name now.  He's small and uses crutches for some reason
>that I think is a permanent condition of some kind.  I had seen him at
>one of our peace rallies and wondered who he was, having not ever
>noticed him around town before.  Then he showed up at our lunch table
>this week, with another physicist.  He's here doing some kind of
>research.

My father was a Norwegian physicist - maybe they knew each other.

Espen

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> From the very first step, cloned primate cells don't divide
>properly, causing a helter-skelter mix of chromosomes too abnormal
>for pregnancy to even begin, University of Pittsburgh researchers
>reported Thursday in the journal Science.
>                   - D. M.

Odd.  I just read yesterday that someone had cloned a human embryo.


    --bonniev

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>What I noted was that a lot of people quit criticizing
>and bitching . . for one day, anyway . . and some
>were even thinking that maybe we had done a few
>things right after all.  Because of the sudden increase
>in support, I said it might not be a good
>day to attempt recruiting people to "take back the
>country" or whatever that phrase was.
>                    - D. M.

Yeah, well, wordslers aren't "most people".   The news looks to me like a
bunch of nineteen-year-old Americans running wild in Bagdad.  Not much
different than the Syracuse students climbing the trees.  Raiding the
Palace freezer and cooking up the chicken.  Hanging the American flag on
the Saddam statue.   Swinging the tank turret around and firing into the
Palestine Hotel where journalists stay.  These are the professional
soldiers you told us about, Doris.  But then it was only a week into the
war when one of those professional soldiers dramatically fragged his superior.



    --bonniev

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> > day to attempt recruiting people to "take back the
> > country" or whatever that phrase was.   The group
> > you quoted will have more luck in a few days, I
> > suspect, when people begin bitching again because
> > there were no immediate solutions for everything.
>
> ??? That url had *nothing* to do with the war, as far as I noticed.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I know that.  The key word was "timing."

           - D. M.

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= soldiers you told us about, Doris.  But then it was only a week into the
= war when one of those professional soldiers dramatically fragged his superior.
=
=     --bonniev

Now now.  I would say that some of those stories about
unprofessional soldiers were really about soldiers acting
unprofessionally.  But this guy just went postal.  There's a
difference between immature and nutso.

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> = soldiers you told us about, Doris.  But then it was only a week into
the
> = war when one of those professional soldiers dramatically fragged his
superior.
> =
> =     --bonniev
>
> Now now.  I would say that some of those stories about
> unprofessional soldiers were really about soldiers acting
> unprofessionally.  But this guy just went postal.  There's a
> difference between immature and nutso.

Dr. Bob Arnot, who has been travelling with one of
the units, has described that they are all filthy, having not
had a bath for weeks, and said that they had slept two
nights in what was probably a smelly garbage dump.
Arnot's hair has been stiff and full of sand . . but I
see he has finally had a shampoo.

We're talking about thousands of guys, and in spite
of their youth, their inexperience with real war, the bad
weather conditions, lack of sleep, etc. have functioned
very well for the most part.  Their youth shows at times,
but that can be as good as it is bad.  Only the young can
do this sort of thing . . they think death cannot touch them.
As someone said on TV yesterday, it wasn't named the
infantry without reason.  It's the infants who are often out in
front.

                      - D. M.

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---- Original Message -----
From: "Max F." <m_ferrero@LIBERO.IT>
Date: Friday, April 11, 2003 4:39 am
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> You're going nowhere.
> In Pavia there's an undertaker whose surname is Malattia (illness)
> and his
> office is in "via Pasquale Massacra", i.e. Pasquale Slaughter str.

Max, just so you know, there is also the English word, "massacre". Why is this street named Pasquale Massacra, do you know?

How's the weather?

Marie

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09:56 11.04.2003 -0400 skrev Marie Ascher:
>---- Original Message -----
>From: "Max F." <m_ferrero@LIBERO.IT>
>Date: Friday, April 11, 2003 4:39 am
>Subject: Re: A Pleasurable Project
>
>> You're going nowhere.
>> In Pavia there's an undertaker whose surname is Malattia (illness)
>> and his
>> office is in "via Pasquale Massacra", i.e. Pasquale Slaughter str.
>
>Max, just so you know, there is also the English word, "massacre". Why is this street named Pasquale Massacra, do you know?

Is it an Easter massacre?

Espen

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>
> otkuda ya znaiou = how would I know
> it was in answer to whether Russians traditionally provide pastries on their birthdays and
> I don't know
>
> BrP

to augmet the above:

otkuda (prepostition) = from where
ya (1st person singular pronoun) = I
znaiou (1st person singular form of znat' - to know) = (I) know

so it translates literally as "from where do I know?"

it is a slightly less than polite way to express the idea and a case could be made for it
being roughly equivalent to "How the hell would I know?"

Here endeth the lesson

BrP

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----- Original Message -----
From: Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO>> 17:12 10.04.2003 -0400 skrev Marie Ascher:

> This looks Korean to me.

You are very smart!

It was actually an exercise in babelfish. Of course, you all know I can't speak/write Korean -- I can barely do English. I certainly didn't know what BrP was saying in Russian and babelfish was no help. So I typed in:

       "Let's speak Korean instead."

And that string of Korean symbols is what I came up with. But as is always fun with babelfish, I then put that string back in and translated it back into English and this is the translation:

      "Talk a Korean with the enemy in substitution."

Marie

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----- Original Message -----
> >Max, just so you know, there is also the English word,
> "massacre". Why is this street named Pasquale Massacra, do you know?
>
> Is it an Easter massacre?

Actually, it looks like it's a name of a famous person in Pavian history.

I do know of a mortgage broker named Wayne Slaughter. My real estate agent's name was Bruce Dollar. My childhood dentist was Dr. Gross -- which my eight year old brain thought was funny before I realized what a common name that is.

Marie

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>
> It was actually an exercise in babelfish. Of course, you all know I can't speak/write Korean -- I can barely do English. I certainly didn't know what BrP was saying in Russian and babelfish was no help. So I typed in:
>
>        "Let's speak Korean instead."



otkuda ya znaiou = how would I know
it was in answer to whether Russians traditionally provide pastries on their birthdays and
I don't know

BrP



>
> And that string of Korean symbols is what I came up with. But as is always fun with babelfish, I then put that string back in and translated it back into English and this is the translation:
>
>       "Talk a Korean with the enemy in substitution."
>
> Marie

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10:07 11.04.2003 -0400 skrev Marie Ascher:
>----- Original Message -----
>> >Max, just so you know, there is also the English word,
>> "massacre". Why is this street named Pasquale Massacra, do you know?
>>
>> Is it an Easter massacre?
>
>Actually, it looks like it's a name of a famous person in Pavian history.
>
>I do know of a mortgage broker named Wayne Slaughter. My real estate agent's name was Bruce Dollar. My childhood dentist was Dr. Gross -- which my eight year old brain thought was funny before I realized what a common name that is.

Indeed, you are very smart!



Pasquale Massacra (Pavia 1819-1849) è uno dei più importanti pittori pavesi dell'800. Etc.

Espen

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Evelyn, on the non-Good Eats AB:
>How close is his style to that of Dave Garroway's?

Closer to J. Fred Muggs's, I'd say.

--
Richard       dust devils, cypress, ripening fruit

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>= soldiers you told us about, Doris.  But then it was only a week into the
>= war when one of those professional soldiers dramatically fragged his
>superior.
>=     --bonniev
>
>Now now.  I would say that some of those stories about
>unprofessional soldiers were really about soldiers acting
>unprofessionally.  But this guy just went postal.  There's a
>difference between immature and nutso.

He should have been weeded out in boot camp.


    --bonniev

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bonniev:
= >= soldiers you told us about, Doris.  But then it was only a week into the
= >= war when one of those professional soldiers dramatically fragged his
= >superior.
= >=     --bonniev
= >
= >Now now.  I would say that some of those stories about
= >unprofessional soldiers were really about soldiers acting
= >unprofessionally.  But this guy just went postal.  There's a
= >difference between immature and nutso.
=
= He should have been weeded out in boot camp.
=
=
=     --bonniev

And then we're right back to the beginning, in other words, the
management sucks.

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AP, via D.M.:
> (AP) - Cloning humans, or any other primates, may be impossible

It's possible, but the result is Brigitte Boisselier,
so "successful" may be the operative word here.

--
hit with the ugly _forest_, that one

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Espen:
> Is it an Easter massacre?

'at'd be Arlin, bra, noo Italy.

--
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Espen Ore wrote:

> And there is a Bellevue in Bergen.

    There are one or two Buena Vistas in this part of the world.

JMW

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bonnie:
>one of those professional soldiers dramatically fragged his superior.

Apart from everything else wrong with this
statement, let me ask _what_ possessed you
to think "dramatically" was le mot juste?

--
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At 07:43 AM 4/11/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
>Espen Ore wrote:
>
> > And there is a Bellevue in Bergen.
>
>     There are one or two Buena Vistas in this part of the world.

You have to turn on Buena Vista to get to our house.  We're not a nuclear
free zone though.

Betty

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>bonnie:
> >one of those professional soldiers dramatically fragged his superior.
>
>Apart from everything else wrong with this
>statement, let me ask _what_ possessed you
>to think "dramatically" was le mot juste?
>Richard       dust devils, cypress, ripening fruit

Undramatically, would be to just pass off a stay bullet in the heat of
battle.  To throw something into a tent and then pick people off as they
run out has a certain drama.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> The old America, alas.  I heard something at lunch today that was
> another very frightening Nazi-like tidbit re what's happening to our
> country.

    I like the way you refrain from slander and name-calling.


>   A couple of people who had starred in some
> kind of baseball movie were suddenly disinvited from some kind of to-do
> they'd been invited to because they had spoken out against the war.

    Yea, so?  Is that not the host's privilege?

>
> That is *extremely* chilling.  Sometimes I'm not sure which is worse of
> the two horrors we're looking at right now: the illegal warmongering or
> the increasing domestic gestapoism.

    So anyone *not* buying a Dixie Chick CD is a Nazi?  Where is it written
that Americans are to be compelled into financially supporting someone whom
they dislike or with whom they disagree?  I know this is a hallowed liberal
trait (c.f. NPR and the National Endowment for the Arts) but I'm interested
in how you arrive at the conclusion.  No one is silencing anyone.  They are
as free to have opinions and express them as ever, but I'll be damned if I
remember which section of the Constitution says that I'm a facist if I
don't go a particular movie or not.

JMW

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > ??? That url had *nothing* to do with the war, as far as I noticed.
>
> I know that.  The key word was "timing."

I didn't see anything odd about the timing.  Although I guess there was
some surprise at the ease of taking over Baghdad -- the lack of the
heavy urban fighting that had been talked about, I don't really know
anybody who didn't expect the US to <win>.  I also don't remember
exactly when I saw that url and forwarded it to the list, but I'm pretty
sure it was before I started seeing the headlines about The Fall of
Baghdad, with the stories of the vanishing of not only Saddam but of his
spokespeople.  Has anybody figured out where they went, btw?  I wonder
about the look-alikes also.  This wouldn't be a very good time to be a
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stayed earlier -- like surely they didn't just go about doing ordinary
things.  I guess they lived pretty reclusively.

--
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bonniev wrote:
[quoting Doris here]
> >What I noted was that a lot of people quit criticizing
> >and bitching . . for one day, anyway . . and some

I meant to say earlier re Doris's word choice that I would deem using
words like "bitching" for utterances of a viewpoint different from yours
<inflammatory>.  I do not believe that stating political and especially
moral objections to something you see as wrong is "bitching."

>   These are the professional
> soldiers you told us about, Doris.  But then it was only a week into the
> war when one of those professional soldiers dramatically fragged his superior.

I think your description is extreme.  I don't think that the majority of
the soldiers were running around doing inappropriate things, and I
certainly don't think the fragger was representative.  My only question
about him was how he managed to get where he was -- like why he hadn't
been gotten rid of earlier.  I got the impression from things I'd read
that he did not just suddenly flip out -- that he had been exhibiting
<odd> behavior earlier.

--
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Doris Markland wrote:

> the units, has described that they are all filthy, having not
> had a bath for weeks, and said that they had slept two
> nights in what was probably a smelly garbage dump.

A woman on NPR who is in Baghdad (I don't remember her name -- an
American journalist) was talking about the smell a few days ago -- the
people smells, I mean.  She said that she'd never smelled anything like
some of the soldiers and that she could also smell herself -- this was
after the water had been off for a good while.

She was one of the several reporters staying in the Palestine Hotel who
are still mystified by the US claim of sniper fire.  She sounded pretty
disgusted by that excuse, as did another American female reporter
staying there, another whose name I can't remember.

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> pick people off as they run out has a certain drama.

Nice save!

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bonniev wrote:

>   Raiding the
> Palace freezer and cooking up the chicken.

    Yea, and they didn't even use the antimacassars, the barbarians!

> Hanging the American flag on
> the Saddam statue.

    Briefly held against, not hung, and upon direct orders of his superior
officer, who had his <reasons>, and then replaced by the Iraqi flag.  Yea-bo,
that's your world class raping and pillaging, all right.

> Swinging the tank turret around and firing into the
> Palestine Hotel where journalists stay.

    This lie from Al-jazeera has been well and truly fisked.  Tank guns don't
elevate that high, neither do they shoot around corners.  And to my knowledge NCOs
don't have either the X-ray vision nor telepathic powers necessary to know which
15th-floor room the Arab journalists are in.

> These are the professional
> soldiers you told us about, Doris.  But then it was only a week into the
> war when one of those professional soldiers dramatically fragged his superior.

    Is it a fragging when you're killing infidels?  I don't think so.

JMW

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> I do know of a mortgage broker named Wayne Slaughter. My real estate

There's a car dealership here named Slaughter.

> agent's name was Bruce Dollar.

I think I've mentioned before Penny Nickels from Money, Mississippi.

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John Williams wrote:

>     There are one or two Buena Vistas in this part of the world.

How are they pronounced?  There used to be a hotel of that name in
Biloxi, but it was pronounced [bjun{schwa} vIst{schwa].

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On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

> >
> > The bookmark.  It's pretty, and not like anything I've seen.
> >
> > Thanks, Alyce, I will be using it with pleasure.
>
> It would be nicer if you put in a new ribbon.

I thought I would; but Allan says it's pretty this way too, with an old
tattered but used-to-be elegant ribbon.  We'll see.

Ann

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Where is Karen?

Not a post for a while.



alec

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Ann Borkin wrote:
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> The bookmark.  It's pretty, and not like anything I've seen.
>
> Thanks, Alyce, I will be using it with pleasure.

It would be nicer if you put in a new ribbon.

alyce

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John Williams wrote:
> > The old America, alas.  I heard something at lunch today that was
> > another very frightening Nazi-like tidbit re what's happening to our
> > country.
>
>     I like the way you refrain from slander and name-calling.

Where's the slander or name-calling?  I don't see it.

> >   A couple of people who had starred in some
> > kind of baseball movie were suddenly disinvited from some kind of to-do
> > they'd been invited to because they had spoken out against the war.
>
>     Yea, so?  Is that not the host's privilege?

I don't know enough about what the occasion was to know -- as in whether
it was something being privately hosted or whatever.

Re the stuff you wrote below, I'm not sure how it relates to anything
I've said.  Who said anything about requiring somebody to buy certain
music or see certain movies?  The only remotely relevant part is about
silencing people.  I do think there are attempts being made to do that
-- from tv stations blipping out part of the Academy Awards anti-war
comments (Tupelo did that, according to people I know who were watching)
to propagandizing via tv/newspaper coverage (CNN is amazing -- its
website I mean -- when compared to other sources) and on and on.

> > That is *extremely* chilling.  Sometimes I'm not sure which is worse of
> > the two horrors we're looking at right now: the illegal warmongering or
> > the increasing domestic gestapoism.
>
>     So anyone *not* buying a Dixie Chick CD is a Nazi?  Where is it written
> that Americans are to be compelled into financially supporting someone whom
> they dislike or with whom they disagree?  I know this is a hallowed liberal
> trait (c.f. NPR and the National Endowment for the Arts) but I'm interested
> in how you arrive at the conclusion.  No one is silencing anyone.  They are
> as free to have opinions and express them as ever, but I'll be damned if I
> remember which section of the Constitution says that I'm a facist if I
> don't go a particular movie or not.
>
> JMW


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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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-
> bonniev wrote:
> [quoting Doris here]
> > >What I noted was that a lot of people quit criticizing
> > >and bitching . . for one day, anyway . . and some
>
> I meant to say earlier re Doris's word choice that I would deem using
> words like "bitching" for utterances of a viewpoint different from
yours
> <inflammatory>.  I do not believe that stating political and
especially
> moral objections to something you see as wrong is "bitching."
-Natalie

I'm sorry if it sounded that way, but I was not
referring to the list in this reference.  I was most
annoyed at op ed pieces, reporters in press conferences,
retired generals on tv pointing out that the war plan was
all wrong and doomed to fail.  Bitching is a good word
for what some of them were doing, which was putting
out a lot of bad press and negativity.  And it turns out
that they did not know what they were talking about.

This email is a delicate thing.  I must remember to
somehow cover all bases if I say something.  I never
know where another person's mind will go with my
words.  If I were a better communicator I should not
have to make explanations.  Sorry about that.

                   - D. M.

                              - D. M.

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On Friday, April 11, 2003 at 8:33, John Williams wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > That is *extremely* chilling.  Sometimes I'm not sure which is worse of
> > the two horrors we're looking at right now: the illegal warmongering or
> > the increasing domestic gestapoism.
>
>  Where is it written that Americans are to be compelled into financially
>  supporting someone whom they dislike or with whom they disagree?

So if you don't like Bush or his policies, you don't have to support
them with your taxes? What a great country. Only in America could
people be so free.

Tony H.

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>
> >  Where is it written that Americans are to be compelled into financially
> >  supporting someone whom they dislike or with whom they disagree?
>
> So if you don't like Bush or his policies, you don't have to support
> them with your taxes? What a great country. Only in America could
> people be so free.

    Now, Tony, I know you're not thick so you must be being smarmy.  We were
talking about discretionary income, not taxation.

JMW

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Hey Tony...

What's the Canadian equivalent of 15-Apr?

You guys have witholding taxes and all that
rot, too, don't you?

--
Richard       dust devils, cypress, ripening fruit

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Tony:
>So if you don't like Bush or his policies, you
>don't have to support them with your taxes?

Of course you don't.  It's called civil disobedience.

>What a great country. Only in America could
>people be so free.

Well, you _do_ have to go to jail for it.

Axly, the law sez something like: "compliance is
voluntary, payment is mandatory."

--
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On Friday, April 11, 2003 at 9:56, John Williams wrote:

> > >  Where is it written that Americans are to be compelled into financially
> > >  supporting someone whom they dislike or with whom they disagree?
> >
> > So if you don't like Bush or his policies, you don't have to support
> > them with your taxes? What a great country. Only in America could
> > people be so free.
>
>     Now, Tony, I know you're not thick so you must be being smarmy.  We were
> talking about discretionary income, not taxation.

Well sure, I was just being smarmy. But I think you have a hard time
justifying forcing people to pay for a war started by a guy they and
(yeah, tiresome I know) most people didn't vote for.

Tony H.

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On Friday, April 11, 2003 at 11:52, no straight, chaser wrote:

> What's the Canadian equivalent of 15-Apr?

30-Apr. We're slower, so we get more time to send it in.

> You guys have witholding taxes and all that
> rot, too, don't you?

Sure - much the same rot, only more of it. Mostly all conveniently
taken care of by one's employer, so the deposit statement shows what
you earned, and how much/little of it goes into your bank account.

Fewer deductions, I gather (certainly no mortgage interest
deduction). But no estate taxes/death duties. And did I mention the
"free" health care...?

Tony H.

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>30-Apr. We're slower, so we get more time to send it in.

Hah!  My state taxes aren't due until _May_.

> Sure - much the same rot, only more of it.

You have a VAT-like thingy, right?  Did your
income taxes go down after that started?

They reduced LA's sales tax and increased
the income tax for this year.  Claimed it
was "revenue neutral" and would affect
only the rich.

--
...both affected AND rich, apparently

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Words-l,

Alec thought you might be interested in this page from Atkins
Online.

Message:  Not fair.

Click to see the page:
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source for controlled carb information, recipes, products,
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A slow day?


alec

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Doris Markland wrote:

> This email is a delicate thing.  I must remember to
> somehow cover all bases if I say something.  I never
> know where another person's mind will go with my
> words.  If I were a better communicator I should not
> have to make explanations.  Sorry about that.

But the list is more of a conversation -- and that's how conversations
work.  I try  always ro ask for clarification if I'm confused by
something somebody said or speak up if I object or whatever because that
allows for the record to be set straight.  I think it's better to
respond than to silently misunderstand.

I never watch the followup thing on "Survivor" -- I turn off the tv when
the person is walking up the path to leave.  Somebody at lunch today
said that Deena was a real shit last night, haughtily saying "you will
all live with what you did tonight for the rest of your lives."  (The
connection between my two paragraphs is tenuous -- I was reminded of the
Deena thing when thinking about silently misunderstanding something
forever.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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John Williams wrote:
> > >  Where is it written that Americans are to be compelled into financially
> > >  supporting someone whom they dislike or with whom they disagree?
> >
> > So if you don't like Bush or his policies, you don't have to support
> > them with your taxes? What a great country. Only in America could
> > people be so free.
>
>     Now, Tony, I know you're not thick so you must be being smarmy.  We were
> talking about discretionary income, not taxation.

We?  Not me.  I wasn't talking about income or spending at all.  You're
the one who was talking about buying CDs or going to movies or whatever.

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On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-10 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > >   A couple of people who had starred in some
> > > kind of baseball movie
> >
> > -snork-
>
> What's funny about this, BORKIN? HUH?

Even -I- know who Susan Sarandon is.  But this is not a -snork- of
derision, really, just a -snork- at seeing Susan Sarandon and Tom Hanks
referred to this way.  Should take them down a peg, huh.

(Of course YOU don't know what I'm talking about either, you foreign
twit.)

Ann

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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> > On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:
> > >
> > > How many lists have you been banned from now?
> >
> > In listing these, do not forget the Passive Aggressive list.
>
> Gee, thanks for reminding me!

Oh, maybe I shouldn't have, I'm VERY SORRY, I should have known you
wouldn't have wanted to be reminded . . .

Ann

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> The Western oil company with the closest ties to the late Saddam is France's
>                                TotalFinaElf. That's not the curious fact, that's just business as usual in the Fifth
>                                Republic. This is the curious fact: As Diane Francis wrote in February and again last week,
>                                "Total's biggest shareholder is Montreal's Paul Desmarais, whose youngest son is
>                                married to Prime Minister Jean Chrétien's daughter."
>
>                                Let's see if I've got this straight: TotalFinaElf's largest shareholder is a subsidiary of
>                                Montreal's Power Corp, whose co-chief executive is Jean Chrétien's son-in-law,
>                                Andre Desmarais. Mr. Desmarais' brother, Paul Desmarais Jr., sits on the Total
>                                board.
>
>                                For months, the anti-war crowd has insisted that "it's all about oil," that the only
>                                reason the Iraqi people were being "liberated" was so that the second biggest oil
>                                reserves in the world could be annexed in perpetuity by Dick Cheney and
>                                Halliburton and the rest of Bush's Texas oilpatch gang. Instead, it turns out that, if it
>                                is all about oil, then the principal North American beneficiary of the continued
>                                enslavement of the Iraqi people is the family of the Canadian Prime Minister --
>                                that's to say, his daughter, France Chrétien, and his grandchildren.
>

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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:58:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> At 12:30 PM 4/11/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> >Even -I- know who Susan Sarandon is.  But this is not a -snork- of
> >derision, really, just a -snork- at seeing Susan Sarandon and Tom Hanks
> >referred to this way.  Should take them down a peg, huh.
>
> And a snork upon thee as well---it was Tim Robbins, not Tom Hanks, to whom
> Reagan's former henchman addressed the remarks.

I am snorked!

But I hope you understand that I am proud of my lack of pop culture and
won't go looking up these supposed men on the alleged 'internet'.

Ann

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>Susan Sarandon and Tom Hanks

Hanks was in "A League of Their Own".

Sarandon and Tim Robbins were in "Bull
Durham", the flick that's raised the
contretemps du jour.

--
Richard       dust devils, cypress, ripening fruit

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bonniev :

>Yeah, well, wordslers aren't "most people".   The news looks to me like a
>bunch of nineteen-year-old Americans running wild in Bagdad.  Not much
>different than the Syracuse students climbing the trees.  Raiding the
>Palace freezer and cooking up the chicken.

haha that's funny. The only teevee I watched the last few days
was The Daily Show and that's where I saw Saddam being toppled.
Maybe it was different when viewed live but what I saw was
rather anticlimactic. Reminded me of the ceremonial and staged
dunk-the-Gatorade-over-the-coach moment familiar from sporting
events. Saddam's statue coming down was a good TV moment but
didn't produce the same goosebumps as the fall of the Berlin wall.
Maybe I'm more jaded ...

>Hanging the American flag on the Saddam statue.   Swinging the tank turret
>around and firing into the
>Palestine Hotel where journalists stay.  These are the professional
>soldiers you told us about, Doris.  But then it was only a week into the
>war when one of those professional soldiers dramatically fragged his
>superior.

I've been impressed by the professionalism, training, competence
and weaponry of the US military. The soldiers did a wonderful job.
There's something to be said for having a defense budget larger
than the next ten combined.

-rashmi


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> Yeah, yeah.  Clyde has reason to know these things because Susan Sarandon
> and her husband, Tim Robbins, have long connections to this island we live
> on.   Susan played here as a child.  She has inherited her father's house,
> which is not a mansion but more like a shack on Long Pond.   She  is seen
> at Abel's Lobster Pound from time to time in the summer.
>
>
>     --bonniev

I was just having this fantasy of the Acadiafest crowd running into her and Karen
rushing up to touch her and Natalie rushing up to tell her she doesn't recognize her.

BrP

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Tony Harminc wrote:

> Well sure, I was just being smarmy. But I think you have a hard time
> justifying forcing people to pay for a war started by a guy they and
> (yeah, tiresome I know) most people didn't vote for.

I don't think it would be possible to have a system wherein one could
pay taxes for only those things he/she personally supported.  Chaos
would reign.

Speaking of chaos, today's motherjones.com "words of the war" today is
this quotation:  "I don't know if they're happy to see us... I think
they're happy
because they're carting away refrigerators and TVs."
                 -- Marine Colonel John Toolan
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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> Even -I- know who Susan Sarandon is.  But this is not a -snork- of
> derision, really, just a -snork- at seeing Susan Sarandon and Tom Hanks
> referred to this way.  Should take them down a peg, huh.

I know who Tom Hanks is.  Forrest Gump, right?  And isn't Susan Sarandon
the person Karen was talking about wanting to touch?  I don't know who
she is -- or rather I don't have a name together with a face -- she's
likely somebody I've seen in movies if she's a movie star.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > Even -I- know who Susan Sarandon is.  But this is not a -snork- of
> > derision, really, just a -snork- at seeing Susan Sarandon and Tom Hanks
> > referred to this way.  Should take them down a peg, huh.
>
> I know who Tom Hanks is.  Forrest Gump, right?  And isn't Susan Sarandon
> the person Karen was talking about wanting to touch?  I don't know who
> she is -- or rather I don't have a name together with a face -- she's
> likely somebody I've seen in movies if she's a movie star.
>

Thelma and Louise. The Banger Sisters.
clo

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>
> I know who Tom Hanks is.  Forrest Gump, right?  And isn't Susan Sarandon
> the person Karen was talking about wanting to touch?  I don't know who
> she is -- or rather I don't have a name together with a face -- she's
> likely somebody I've seen in movies if she's a movie star.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Really Natalie - don't know or don't want to know.  I found pictures of her in about 5
seconds on Google.

try

http://www.chrisbaker.co.uk/


BrP

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> >
> > I know who Tom Hanks is.  Forrest Gump, right?  And isn't Susan Sarandon
> > the person Karen was talking about wanting to touch?  I don't know who
> > she is -- or rather I don't have a name together with a face -- she's
> > likely somebody I've seen in movies if she's a movie star.
>
> Really Natalie - don't know or don't want to know.  I found pictures of her in about 5
> seconds on Google.
>
> try
>
> http://www.chrisbaker.co.uk/

Talk about being confused -- I find your reply confusing.  You make it
sound as if I'm going to some kind of effort not to know who she is --
like the default is to know who she is and that I should google for her
picture.  Why would I care who she is?  Iow, why should I bother to
google or even to go to the url you've provided?  It's not that I am
avoiding it -- as in it's some kind of <principle> or something.  It
just makes no sense to me to bother looking for her picture.

Having said that, I will now go to the url and see her.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> http://www.chrisbaker.co.uk/

She doesn't look familiar.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Thelma and Louise. The Banger Sisters.

Weird.  I saw that movie, but the person whose picture I just saw on the
web doesn't look like either of them.  I remember that one of them had
the face of a male student I was teaching around the time I saw that
movie.  She was obviously the other one -- not Susan Whatshername.  I
would have seen that resemblance in the picture, surely.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I don't think it would be possible to have a system wherein one could
> pay taxes for only those things he/she personally supported.  Chaos
> would reign.

    Oh, I don't know.  I was pondering this very thing at lunch, and I
think with very few exceptions - specifically subsidies and nearly all
pork projects - the budget would look not much different.

JMW

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> being roughly equivalent to "How the hell would I know?"

I thought you were pretty well versed in Russian culture.

Jeez.

Marie

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John Williams wrote:

> >                                For months, the anti-war crowd has insisted that "it's all about oil," that the only
> >                                reason the Iraqi people were being "liberated" was so that the second biggest oil
> >                                reserves in the world could be annexed in perpetuity by Dick Cheney and
> >                                Halliburton and the rest of Bush's Texas oilpatch gang.

Not the whole anti-war crowd.  I consider myself very much part of the
anti-war crowd, and I have never insisted that "it's all about oil."  I
do think oil is involved, as it was in Gulf War I.  But I do not think
it's "all about oil."  Or at least it's not about Iraqi oil directly.

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> Talk about being confused -- I find your reply confusing.  You make it
> sound as if I'm going to some kind of effort not to know who she is --
> like the default is to know who she is and that I should google for her
> picture.  Why would I care who she is?  Iow, why should I bother to


You care enough about it to continue to mention her.  I find your lack of curiosity
confusing and it often seems that you take pride in not knowing something when it
requires any effort (I don't think of 5 seconds of my time as effort).  It's never the
default to know anything in particular if you haven't been exposed to it - for whatever
reason. Do you not find reward in learning something new?


> google or even to go to the url you've provided?  It's not that I am
> avoiding it -- as in it's some kind of <principle> or something.  It
> just makes no sense to me to bother looking for her picture.
>
> Having said that, I will now go to the url and see her.

ok

>
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BrP

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John Williams wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > I don't think it would be possible to have a system wherein one could
> > pay taxes for only those things he/she personally supported.  Chaos
> > would reign.
>
>     Oh, I don't know.  I was pondering this very thing at lunch, and I
> think with very few exceptions - specifically subsidies and nearly all
> pork projects - the budget would look not much different.

I don't understand.  How when paying income taxes, for example, would
you withhold the part of the payment that might go to something you
disapproved of?

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> I don't understand.  How when paying income taxes, for example, would
> you withhold the part of the payment that might go to something you
> disapproved of?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

I have several friends who are doing this.  They pro-rate their payments to the IRS
based on the percentage of tax revenues that go to things they don't support and
write a letter saying so - and why - that they send with their returns.  I don't think it is
a very effective protest personally.  They just get shuffled into a pile to be audited
and billed for the balance.  It might be effective in getting the attention of the policy
makers if enough people did it.

BrP

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> You care enough about it to continue to mention her.

I wouldn't have been able to produce her name at all.  My only mention
of her has been in replying to other people's mentions of her.  My only
extension was to ask if she was the one Karen was talking about not long
ago.  The name looked familiar to me, and I thought that might be the
association.

> I find your lack of curiosity
> confusing and it often seems that you take pride in not knowing something when it
> requires any effort (I don't think of 5 seconds of my time as effort).  It's never the
> default to know anything in particular if you haven't been exposed to it - for whatever
> reason. Do you not find reward in learning something new?

I love learning most kinds of new things.  But I really can't see
anything particularly interesting about learning names of movie stars.
As I've said before, I don't like to think of movie actors as people who
have lives outside of that movie.  I like thinking of them as the movie
character.

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At 12:30 PM 4/11/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:

>Even -I- know who Susan Sarandon is.  But this is not a -snork- of
>derision, really, just a -snork- at seeing Susan Sarandon and Tom Hanks
>referred to this way.  Should take them down a peg, huh.

And a snork upon thee as well---it was Tim Robbins, not Tom Hanks, to whom
Reagan's former henchman addressed the remarks.

cwv

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> a very effective protest personally.  They just get shuffled into a pile to be audited
> and billed for the balance.

What happens when they refuse to pay the bill?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>
> I love learning most kinds of new things.  But I really can't see
> anything particularly interesting about learning names of movie stars.
> As I've said before, I don't like to think of movie actors as people who
> have lives outside of that movie.  I like thinking of them as the movie
> character.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

I can understand that, though I take some delight in recognizing good actors by
seeing how quickly I can forget the actor and focusing on the character.  I would
think that knowing an actor personally would make it  difficult to make that transition,
but for just knowing who they are doesn't usually get in the way.

BrP

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> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> > a very effective protest personally.  They just get shuffled into a pile to be audited
> > and billed for the balance.
>
> What happens when they refuse to pay the bill?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Usually prosecution and garnishment or seizure of assets.

You have to be dedicated - or have no assets.

BrP

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> But I hope you understand that I am proud of my lack of pop culture and
> won't go looking up these supposed men on the alleged 'internet'.
>
> Ann

good answer Anntalie


BrP

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> > And a snork upon thee as well---it was Tim Robbins, not Tom Hanks, to whom
> > Reagan's former henchman addressed the remarks.    --cwv
>
>I am snorked!
>
>But I hope you understand that I am proud of my lack of pop culture and
>won't go looking up these supposed men on the alleged 'internet'.
>Ann

Yeah, yeah.  Clyde has reason to know these things because Susan Sarandon
and her husband, Tim Robbins, have long connections to this island we live
on.   Susan played here as a child.  She has inherited her father's house,
which is not a mansion but more like a shack on Long Pond.   She  is seen
at Abel's Lobster Pound from time to time in the summer.


    --bonniev

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On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, John Williams wrote:

JMW> Instead, it turns out that, if it is all about oil, then the
JMW> principal North American beneficiary of the continued enslavement of
JMW> the Iraqi people is the family of the Canadian Prime Minister --
JMW> that's to say, his daughter, France Chrétien, and his grandchildren.

        Well, I had heard that France had business interests in Iraq.  I
had heard that Russia did too.  Not that I thought either one of them had
purely humanitarian reasons for opposing conflict.  But still ... source?
Citation?

        The fact remains that the oil under the sand is the only reason
why the Bush administration cares about that part of the world enough to
send troops into combat.  If they're so all-fired determined to bring
democracy to the world, let's see if they go after the world's other
oppressive regimes.  But they're not going to do it.  Libya, Burma,
Turkmenistan, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, China -- oh, wait, I guess Bush
doesn't care about China, since we've just backed off from so much as
criticizing China again.  Look what I just found.

>From the Financial Times:

The US said on Friday it would not offer a United Nations resolution
condemning China for human rights abuses, the first time since the 1989
Tiananmen Square massacre that Washington has not tried to censure the
Beijing government.

The decision, made by the White House, is the latest sign of the improving
ties between the US and China as a result of the war on terrorism and
China's muted opposition to the war in Iraq.

For the rest:

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1048313702796

        Anyway, it's not human rights.  It's not the oil either, since
we're not going after Saudi Arabia, which has a poor human rights record
and lots of oil.  It's not terrorism either, nor is it possible WMDs.
What it is, I think, is a combination of factors, including the fact that
the American people (and people around the world, frankly) have little to
no sympathy for Saddam and that due to sanctions Saddam's military was a
shambles.  Summed up, Saddam's Iraq was seen as an easy target.  At the
moment it looks like that assessment was correct.  And the Bush
administration thought that attacking Iraq would gain them more than it
would lose them.  That's the bottom line.

--
Take care,
Tom Lee (flint@kiva.net)
My wife hopes Saddam isn't off organizing his own Al Qaeda right now

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> I can understand that, though I take some delight in recognizing good actors by
> seeing how quickly I can forget the actor and focusing on the character.

Oh yes -- that is my regular practice at the Starkville Community
Theatre, where I know many of the people on the stage, some very well
and for many years.  The really good ones turn into the character.  So
yes, that obviously can happen with movie actors you know a little bit
about.  It's just that I happen to know these SCT people because they
are my friends.  It's not as if I went looking for their pictures on the
net or read things about their personal lives in People Magazine.  I
might have an interest in a movie star who was into weird stuff -- like
the person's life is a <human interest story>.  But just knowing who
they're dating or running around with or where they live or travel or
stuff like that is of no interest whatsoever to me.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> > But I hope you understand that I am proud of my lack of pop culture and
> > won't go looking up these supposed men on the alleged 'internet'.
> >
> > Ann
>
> good answer Anntalie

What is included in "pop culture"?  Movie stars and pop singers I
assume.  Is anything else included?  Why would one be either proud or
unproud of knowledge or lack of knowledge of these people?  Should one
be proud or unproud of lack of interest in oriental rugs?  I feel
totally neutral about the subject.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> I was just having this fantasy of the Acadiafest crowd running into her and Karen
> rushing up to touch her and Natalie rushing up to tell her she doesn't recognize her.

I've already forgotten the name of that tv person I was said to look
like back a few years ago -- said by Wordslers.  Sally Janet Raphael?
Does that sound right?  I was curious to see what she looked like to see
why it was thought I looked like her, but that must have been pre-web.
The only picture I ever saw was one on a billboard in NYC.  I think that
might have been when a bunch of us (Wordslers) were roaming around
together one night -- the night somebody took a picture of us that
didn't turn out -- a picture in Times Square.

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John Williams writes,

>     This lie from Al-jazeera has been well and truly fisked.  Tank guns don't
>elevate that high, neither do they shoot around corners.

The US military seemed to have taken responsibility for it, though (this
from the news):

>U.S. military officials in Iraq and at the Pentagon later said that a tank
>from the 3rd Infantry Division had fired on the hotel after reporting that
>"significant" fire had come from a position in front of the 18-storey
>hotel, along the Tigris River.
>
>U.S. Army Col. David Perkins, commander of the 3rd Infantry Division's 2nd
>Brigade, which deployed the tank, said the crew aimed at the Palestine
>Hotel after seeing enemy "binoculars."

Debka (which is not a news outfit; they post stuff from their intelligence
sources) said this about the incident:

<http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=460>

>The Iraqis gained some propaganda mileage Tuesday from the US tank shell
>that hit the media center at Hotel Palestine in Baghdad, killing two TV
>cameramen and injuring two more journalists.
>
>DEBKAfile's intelligence sources have discovered that the shell did not
>come from a US tank. The explosion that hurt the correspondents occurred
>on an upper floor and was rigged and planted by Iraqi military
>intelligence. To avoid a row with the press corps covering the war and nip
>the incident in the bud, the US command assumed responsibility and
>apologized before it went any further. This is unlikely to work.

Pete

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bonniev:

>Yeah, yeah.  Clyde has reason to know these things because Susan Sarandon
>and her husband, Tim Robbins, have long connections to this island we live
>on.   Susan played here as a child.  She has inherited her father's house,
>which is not a mansion but more like a shack on Long Pond.   She  is seen
>at Abel's Lobster Pound from time to time in the summer.

Bonnie, you sound like a stalker! Do you have this much information
on other residents of Bah Hahbouh or just the rich'n'famous?

-rashmi

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At 02:12 PM 4/8/2003 -0400, alyce cresap wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
> >
> >
> > I even promise to wear it!
>
>Done. You will like wearing it, because it is a Fine Hat. Tasteful, not
>bizarro.
>
>alyce

I have a new red hat. It is indeed a Fine Hat. I love it.  Thank you,
Alyce. I'll have Larry take a photo when he gets home.  I may even wear it
to AcadiaFest.  I think I *have* to wear it to AcadiaFest.  It is too fine
though to wear with my whore t-shirt.

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bonniev:

>Yeah, yeah.  Clyde has reason to know these things because Susan Sarandon
>and her husband, Tim Robbins, have long connections to this island we live
>on.   Susan played here as a child.  She has inherited her father's house,
>which is not a mansion but more like a shack on Long Pond.   She  is seen
>at Abel's Lobster Pound from time to time in the summer.

Bonnie, you sound like a stalker! Do you have this much information
on other residents of Bah Hahbouh or just the rich'n'famous?

-rashmi

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>Is Martha Stewart still residing there?
>Betty

As far as I know, she still owns a house here, yes.  She hasn't done
anything interesting enough lately to cause a newspaper article,
however.  The incident a few years ago is still talked about.


    --bonniev

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>Bonnie, you sound like a stalker! Do you have this much information
>on other residents of Bah Hahbouh or just the rich'n'famous?
>-rashmi

I might also add that these things about Susan Sarandon were of interest to
me because I've always admired her work.  The fact that she rose to be such
a well known actress from a beginning in the cult film Rocky Horror Picture
Show is interesting.  Also, I once watched an hour long special in which
she was interviewed and discussed film and theatre in general and her
career in particular.  She appeared to be very intelligent and
thoughtful.  Also she is exactly my own age.  I know a woman my age who
grew up on this island and was taken to play with the child Susan because
poor little Susan was lonely in the summer when she came up here with her
folks.


    --bonniev

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    From that right-wing Bush-lovin' rag, the Guardian:


> It is not clear whether the Palestine hotel had been hit by bombs
>
>   dropped by coalition planes, or artillery or tank fire from US
>    forces in Baghdad, according to Sky News.
>

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Tom Lee wrote:

>         The fact remains that the oil under the sand is the only reason
> why the Bush administration cares about that part of the world enough to

That's what I meant by my "not directly" about Iraqi oil in particular.
That part of the world, yes.

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At 08:47 PM 4/11/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>bonniev:
>
>>Yeah, yeah.  Clyde has reason to know these things because Susan Sarandon
>>and her husband, Tim Robbins, have long connections to this island we live
>>on.   Susan played here as a child.  She has inherited her father's house,
>>which is not a mansion but more like a shack on Long Pond.   She  is seen
>>at Abel's Lobster Pound from time to time in the summer.
>
>Bonnie, you sound like a stalker! Do you have this much information
>on other residents of Bah Hahbouh or just the rich'n'famous?
>
>-rashmi

Is Martha Stewart still residing there?

Betty

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>Bonnie, you sound like a stalker! Do you have this much information
>on other residents of Bah Hahbouh or just the rich'n'famous?
>-rashmi

I know way more than I wish I did about many not rich and far from famous
people in Bar Harbor.  It's a small town.


    --bonniev

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>Bonnie, you sound like a stalker! Do you have this much information
>on other residents of Bah Hahbouh or just the rich'n'famous?
>-rashmi

One really need not stalk to find these things out.  They drop into your
lap.  I know the thing about Susan Sarandon's house, inherited from her
father, because I walked right past it with some neighbors of the
house.  They commented on it as we strolled past.   I know the thing about
Abel's Lobster Pound because the owners of the Inn that I was sitting came
home from dinner there and mentioned they saw Tim Robbins.


    --bonniev

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Betty wrote:
>
> I have a new red hat. It is indeed a Fine Hat.

8-}

alyce

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Is Martha Stewart still residing there?
> >Betty
>
> As far as I know, she still owns a house here, yes.  She hasn't done
> anything interesting enough lately to cause a newspaper article,
> however.  The incident a few years ago is still talked about.

Whatever happened with her case?  It was all over the news and then
seemed to disappear.

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>The fact that she rose to be such a well known
>actress from a beginning in the cult film Rocky
>Horror Picture Show is interesting.

Well, she wasn't the only one.

And that flick is a little beyond
<cult> at this point.

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At 04:11 PM 4/11/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>I was just having this fantasy of the Acadiafest crowd running into her
>and Karen
>rushing up to touch her and Natalie rushing up to tell her she doesn't
>recognize her.

Such things simply are not done here.
cwv

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At 01:44 PM 4/11/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>John Williams writes,
>
>>     This lie from Al-jazeera has been well and truly fisked.  Tank guns
>> don't
>>elevate that high, neither do they shoot around corners.
>
>The US military seemed to have taken responsibility for it, though (this
>from the news):

Now, now, Pete, you are confusing JMW with facts.  You must go back to the
Pavlovian responses with which he is familiar.

cwv

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At 02:02 PM 4/11/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:

>Is Martha Stewart still residing there?

Nobody seems to care, anymore.  I suppose, like Casper Weinberger, she is
an embarassment.

cwv

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At 03:22 PM 4/11/2003 -0500, Tom Lee wrote:
>        The fact remains that the oil under the sand is the only reason
>why the Bush administration cares about that part of the world enough to
>send troops into combat.  If they're so all-fired determined to bring
>democracy to the world, let's see if they go after the world's other
>oppressive regimes.  But they're not going to do it.  Libya, Burma,
>Turkmenistan, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, China --

Indeed.  Anyone who argues that it is not, in large part, about oil needs
to see their ophthamologist quickly---terminal myopia might be
dangerous.  But I think that there is more to it than that.  After 9/11,
which Dubya took personally (and what POTUS would not?), he needed a
victory---and Saddam with his crazed notion of supreme power and reduced
army (relative to Gulf Storm days) was the obvious target.

So now, we have guerrilla resistance in Iraq (anybody surprised about
that?); nearly total breakdown of law and order as well; and a coming
brou-ha-ha between the Kurds and the Turks, with the USA in the
middle.  So, unless the USA. and GB can sucker the UN into becoming the
policemen, we are in it for the long haul, with accumulating casualities
and no longer any glorious victories.  Sound familiar, anyone?

cwv

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02003-04-11 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > > On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:
> > > >
> > > > How many lists have you been banned from now?
> > >
> > > In listing these, do not forget the Passive Aggressive list.
> >
> > Gee, thanks for reminding me!
>
> Oh, maybe I shouldn't have, I'm VERY SORRY, I should have known you
> wouldn't have wanted to be reminded . . .

It's ........ OKAY.

I just wish you'd remember once in a while but it's fine.

THIS KEYBOARD IS A PIECE OF SHIT!

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I guess y'all have seen that India is now talking about a preemptive
strike on Pakistan, saying that Pakistan was a greater threat to it than
Iraq was to the US.  Ain't preemtivity fun.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>  So, unless the USA. and GB can sucker the UN into becoming the
> policemen, we are in it for the long haul,

Just heard on CNN about 5 that we are sending troops to keep order.
Seems that up to that moment we were never going to be policemen. Times
they are a-changing.

alyce

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GWB on seeing wounded soldiers at Walter Reed and another hospital:
"...to see a soldier wrapped in [pause] bandages with metal things
sticking out to hold him together."

alyce

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Just heard on CNN about 5 that we are sending troops to keep order.
> Seems that up to that moment we were never going to be policemen. Times
> they are a-changing.

Some of the people in Mosul are saying they want the Iraqi police back:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/11/iraq/scene/main548878.shtml

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

>
> Now, now.  Natalie---it is clear that you and Pete have entered into a
> conspiracy to confuse poor JMW (bless his heart) with the
> facts.  Certainly, there must be rules against this somewhere.

    In a world where pacifists support a war-monger, environmentalists back a
drainer of wetlands, and civil libertarians likewise encourage a lawless
tyrant its easy to become confused.

> Of course,
> he never has responded to your query about the "missiles of mass
> destruction,"

    Take it up with Reuters. Besides, what do you care?

> so perhaps he is deeply immersed in the latest
> scratch-and-sniff version of Janes' weaponry.

    Oh, I get it!  This is supposed to be a personal insult!  Okay...

JMW

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John Williams wrote:
>
>     From that right-wing Bush-lovin' rag, the Guardian:
>
> > It is not clear whether the Palestine hotel had been hit by bombs
> >
> >   dropped by coalition planes, or artillery or tank fire from US
> >    forces in Baghdad, according to Sky News.

Why were the US soldiers saying that they were firing on the Palestine
Hotel because there were snipers in it?

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Here's one of the two American journalists po'ed by the US story of
snipers:

***************************
CBS News Correspondent Lara Logan was inside the hotel when it was fired
on.

 The US military said "that they were under fire from the building -
small arms fire and
 rocket-propelled grenades," reports Logan. "But I know, because I was
in the building,
 along with all the other journalists who were here, that no one was
firing from this building."
***************************
from:
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Wednesday/Frontpage/20030408215756/Article/

The other one I heard was an NPR person.  She sounded even more steamed
than Lara Logan.

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Perhaps spring is truly on the way.  Yesterday, with temperatures in the
50s, we walked the long route to the village---over the rather mushy golf
course, then along Cromwell Harbor road, then along the path that borders
the road, then into the village.  After getting the papers and stopping at
our favorite coffee shop for lattes and maple-walnut muffins, we wandered
on home.  For the first time this "spring," the sun felt warm on our
faces.  In the late afternoon, we celebrated with drinks and snacks on the
deck.  It was somewhat unique to be sitting in the sun, enjoying the
afternoon, while looking at Cadillac and Dorr mountains, still with
substantial snow on their slopes.

Today was a bit cooler (and cloudy) but still nice.  About mid-day, I
motored to the other side of the island and walked the Wonderland
path.  Wonderland (I have yet to find the derivation of that term for this
area) is mostly flat (no drop-offs, Adam).  The path winds through a forest
wetland, then through a more arid fen area, in which the granite blocks
look almost like they once were part of some immense structure, then onto a
peninsula looking southward into the Atlantic.  The path was wet and where
it was shaded by spruce stands, still mostly snow-covered.  The wetland
still had substantial snow and ice patches. The point was beautiful with
the low waves coming in and the sea birds everywhere.  The area surrounding
the point is an excellent example of "the rockbound coasts."  There were a
number of shallow tide pools but nothing of particular interest in
them.  The pools closer to the surf line were surrounded by very wet rocks,
so I gave them a pass. The low, sometimes almost subliminal rumbling of the
diesels of the lobster boats occasionally could be heard as the lobstermen
begin to set traps once more.  On one side of the point, it was rather
raw---the wind was coming in directly off the ocean.  On the other side,
one could find shelter from the wind, sit in the diffuse sunlight, and
enjoy the view.  Solitude.

We are supposed to get rain tonight and tomorrow (and maybe some flurries,
but nothing major).  Meanwhile, Bonnie has an excellent-smelling lasagna in
the oven and tomorrow night we have a table at Mache.  Life continues to be
tolerable.

cwv

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At 05:28 PM 4/11/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Here's one of the two American journalists po'ed by the US story of
>snipers:
>
>***************************
>CBS News Correspondent Lara Logan was inside the hotel when it was fired
>on.
>
>  The US military said "that they were under fire from the building -
>small arms fire and
>  rocket-propelled grenades," reports Logan. "But I know, because I was
>in the building,
>  along with all the other journalists who were here, that no one was
>firing from this building."
>***************************

Now, now.  Natalie---it is clear that you and Pete have entered into a
conspiracy to confuse poor JMW (bless his heart) with the
facts.  Certainly, there must be rules against this somewhere.  Of course,
he never has responded to your query about the "missiles of mass
destruction," so perhaps he is deeply immersed in the latest
scratch-and-sniff version of Janes' weaponry.

cwv

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Why were the US soldiers saying that they were firing on the Palestine
> Hotel because there were snipers in it?

    I don't know.  You don't know.  The people who were present don't
know.  Its entirely possible that there were snipers up there, just none
in the reporters room.  Its a big building.

JMW

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I don't owe IRS anything.

The extension has been filed.

And - I talked with the UT credit union today about mortgages - they think
I will have no trouble getting a 97% mortgage with no PMI - because they
will carry a 2nd mortgage at a reasonable rate.

AND: the sun is shining brightly from a clear sky after many days of rain,
including this morning.

All this - and it's Friday!

Yay!!!

Bethany

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John Williams wrote:
> > Why were the US soldiers saying that they were firing on the Palestine
> > Hotel because there were snipers in it?
>
>     I don't know.  You don't know.  The people who were present don't
> know.  Its entirely possible that there were snipers up there, just none
> in the reporters room.  Its a big building.

I certainly don't know, but did that Guardian article you posted an
excerpt from not address that question?  That's what my question was in
response to.  My question wasn't about whether there were or weren't
snipers.  Your Guardian posting said that it was not clear what caused
the damage to the Palestine Hotel.  If it's not clear, is it being
assumed that these US soldiers were simply lying when they said they had
fired upon the hotel?

--
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02003-04-11 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> I guess y'all have seen that India is now talking about a preemptive
> strike on Pakistan, saying that Pakistan was a greater threat to it
> than Iraq was to the US.  Ain't preemtivity fun.

I posted earlier about opportunism in India and a piece of the
"weapons pie". This is probably the first outward sign of it.
There are various other signs. An entirely spontaneous pro-war
rally recently broke out in Ahmedabad, which has been the site
of horrendous religious riots in the past and is even now a
strong contender for the proud title of most anti-Muslim city.
It's telling, and devious, that demonstrators were waving American
flags there and asking to bomb Pakistan. People who talk about
the impossibility of winning the most-toys race or the poverty
of India (which presumably means widespread unemployment and a
gaping budget deficit) seem to be clinging to the old notion of
nation-as-entity.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> It's telling, and devious, that demonstrators were waving American
> flags there and asking to bomb Pakistan.

This is the kind of thing that makes me more and more amazed at the
pro-war people in the US who don't seem to realize what this country is
becoming the symbol of.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> I don't owe IRS anything.
>
> The extension has been filed.

If you've gotten to the <bottom line> -- as in knowing you don't owe
them anything -- why file an extension?  Why not just file the return?

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02003-04-11 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > It's telling, and devious, that demonstrators were waving American
> > flags there and asking to bomb Pakistan.
>
> This is the kind of thing that makes me more and more amazed at the
> pro-war people in the US who don't seem to realize what this country
> is becoming the symbol of.

Here you make the same mistake, IMO, that certain humorously
complacent members of the list habitually make. There was no
"symbolism" of any kind involved... you need to recognize raw
opportunism wherever you see it. Think: how can I benefit the
most in the shakeout?

One problem this list has is the small number of people who
work in a corporate environment.

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bogris01 wrote:

>   And ask him about the
> current edition of Survivor!

Oh, how I miss his Survivor comments!  I miss everything about him.
Meanwhile, do you think Deena should've gone last night?  And why do I
think this is the most undesirable setting yet?  Am I alone in that?  I
really wouldn't want to be there.  One thing I've thought about, though,
in the various Survivors, is how it might be fun to be on Survivor but
be voted off fairly early.  You then presumably have a nice vacation.
Surely all of them have to stay in the vicinity for the duration -- they
couldn't let them go home, thereby tipping off people about who didn't
win.  Seems to me that it would be fun to get to hang out while the game
played out.

Cut to Theo -- to say once again that she doesn't watch such silliness
as Survivor.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
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> http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_12-4-2003_pg3_5

Indeed Natalie thought that was a very good essay -- which is why she
posted the url for it (a different url -- the IHT url) yesterday or day
before.

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>This is the kind of thing that makes me more and more amazed at the
>pro-war people in the US who don't seem to realize what this country is
>becoming the symbol of.   -- Natalie

I think you have it wrong Natalie.  What <you> don't understand is that
there are plenty of Americans who are happy to be known as citizens of a
kick-ass war machine.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >This is the kind of thing that makes me more and more amazed at the
> >pro-war people in the US who don't seem to realize what this country is
> >becoming the symbol of.   -- Natalie
>
> I think you have it wrong Natalie.  What <you> don't understand is that
> there are plenty of Americans who are happy to be known as citizens of a
> kick-ass war machine.

Sadly, I must admit that that may be true.  I hadn't really thought
about it before, what with all the euphemisms spouted about the war's
<compassionate> goals.

Speaking of the soldiers, as we were earlier today, I agree with Rashmi
(I think it was Rashmi) that they have done well, but here's an example
of the kind of (individual) behavior not likely to Win Friends and
Influence People:

*********
The Marines appear to be very edgy, even terrified, following the human
bombing
on Thursday. And there are also those among them who are plain arrogant.
When
one discovered a bag of raisins in this reporter’s carry-bag while
conducting a
body search, and was offered some of them, he replied: “If I want them,
I’ll take
the whole bag. We came, we saw, we conquered.”
*********
from: http://www.arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=25085

JMW will cry foul, of course, since it's from a Saudi newspaper.  I
agree that most news agencies everywhere show biases, but I've found
this Saudi site more balanced seeming than many of the news sites I look
at.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > It's telling, and devious, that demonstrators were waving American
> > > flags there and asking to bomb Pakistan.
> >
> > This is the kind of thing that makes me more and more amazed at the
> > pro-war people in the US who don't seem to realize what this country
> > is becoming the symbol of.
>
> Here you make the same mistake, IMO, that certain humorously
> complacent members of the list habitually make. There was no
> "symbolism" of any kind involved... you need to recognize raw
> opportunism wherever you see it. Think: how can I benefit the
> most in the shakeout?

No, I don't think I misunderstood the point at all.  I understood that
you were saying that the flag-waving was purely opportunism in that
instance.  But that does not change my point about what this country is
becoming a symbol of.

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> "clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> >  So, unless the USA. and GB can sucker the UN into becoming the
> > policemen, we are in it for the long haul,
>
> Just heard on CNN about 5 that we are sending troops to keep order.
> Seems that up to that moment we were never going to be policemen.
Times
> they are a-changing.
>
> alyce

Seems I read a limited amount of troops.
But I heard this morning that retired policemen
and firemen and volunteering to go over and
help out and their offer might be accepted.

                   - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> But I heard this morning that retired policemen
> and firemen and volunteering to go over and
> help out and their offer might be accepted.

Chretien has said that Canada will send some Mounties to help if asked.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>If you've gotten to the <bottom line> -- as in knowing you don't owe
>them anything -- why file an extension?  Why not just file the return?

I do not want to yield the possibility of getting a refund - I have not
yet had time to do exact calculations of all consulting expenses,
employee business expenses, etc.  There's usually more of all that than I
think before I run all the numbers.

Of course I could do what one of my investment club colleagues does (he
is also an academic colleague) - he simply takes the inflation rate each
year and figures he spent what he spent the previous year plus what the
inflation rate yields!

Bethany

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>Meanwhile, do you think Deena should've gone last night?

I thought the rest of them turned on her pretty quickly.  But then she
didn't keep to her original alliance, I guess.  I was beginning to think
she would go all the way to the final four.  I wish they would vote off
Heide.  She's ugly.  I'm tired of looking at her bony chest.

>  And why do I think this is the most undesirable setting yet?  Am I alone
> in that?

I was thinking the opposite.  We don't see quite so much of them being
horribly hungry as some of the other sites.  Remember that edition that
Knoxville Tina was in?  They had this horrible flood and their rice can
floated away.  They had to swim across a river at night to get it
back.  That was pretty undesirable.

>One thing I've thought about, though,
>in the various Survivors, is how it might be fun to be on Survivor but
>be voted off fairly early.  You then presumably have a nice vacation.
>Surely all of them have to stay in the vicinity for the duration
>  -- Natalie

I'm not so sure about that.  If you last long enough to make it on the
jury, you have to stay around.  But if you get voted off before that I
think you can either go home or travel other places but not necessarily
stay there.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Indeed Natalie thought that was a very good essay -- which is why she
> posted the url for it (a different url -- the IHT url) yesterday or day
> before.

Glancing at it again reminded me again of the story on Bush's body
language that I think I might have mentioned before.  (What reminded me
was the part about the rhetoric of the aggressor increasingly sounding
like the rhetoric of the enemy.)  I just tracked down that body language
article.  It's here:

http://www.arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=24991

As I said earlier, JMW will be horrified that it's that Saudi website.
But, as I also said earlier, that site seems pretty well balanced.  For
more extreme views, go to this Egyptian one (which is a weekly newspaper
and thus is often behind -- not breaking news and some items that seem
out of date):

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/

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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_12-4-2003_pg3_5


Bethany

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>. It was cool when you hooked
> her up with Myles and crosswords.  Speaking of Myles, he is
alive and
> well.  We're going to get together and have omelettes next
month in Santa Rosa.
>
> Betty

I hook up with Mr. Callum from time to time, after encountering
one of his crosswords in NYT or USA Today.  When you have your
omelets <var.> give him a big hug from me.  And ask him about the
current edition of Survivor!

brad

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> *********
> The Marines appear to be very edgy, even terrified, following the human
> bombing
> on Thursday.

    Living in terror of violent death for 24 hours a day will tend to do that.

> And there are also those among them who are plain arrogant.
> When
> one discovered a bag of raisins in this reporter’s carry-bag while
> conducting a
> body search, and was offered some of them, he replied: “If I want them,
> I’ll take
> the whole bag. We came, we saw, we conquered.”
> *********

    Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.

> JMW will cry foul, of course, since it's from a Saudi newspaper.  I
> agree that most news agencies everywhere show biases, but I've found
> this Saudi site more balanced seeming than many of the news sites I look
> at.

    No, the Arab News is the closest thing to Western reporting in the area.
(Of course, you have to appreciate the competition.  Jeez.)  And its from the
Saudis as well.  There are cultural, social, and political differences that
must be taken into consideration when comparing reportorial styles and
standards from what we are used to.
    And the only "of course" that I cry is that Journalism 101 should be a
required freshman course to prime bullshit detectors.

JMW

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John Williams wrote:

> > *********
> > The Marines appear to be very edgy, even terrified, following the human
> > bombing
> > on Thursday.
>
>     Living in terror of violent death for 24 hours a day will tend to do that.

Uhhh -- I don't think anybody is questioning that.  Certainly I am not,
nor do I think the reporter was.

> > body search, and was offered some of them, he replied: “If I want them,
> > I’ll take
> > the whole bag. We came, we saw, we conquered.”
> > *********
>
>     Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.

Correct.  I think I said something like "if."  If I didn't, I assumed it
would be an obvious if.

>     No, the Arab News is the closest thing to Western reporting in the area.
> (Of course, you have to appreciate the competition.  Jeez.)

I just posted the Egyptian one for contrast.  And I haven't even
explored others.  Those two just happened to be two I had stumbled upon
and bookmarked and go to from time to time.  I'm sure there are more
<interesting> examples out there.

> And its from the
> Saudis as well.  There are cultural, social, and political differences that
> must be taken into consideration when comparing reportorial styles and
> standards from what we are used to.

I will confess to never having watched Fox tv news and never having
searched for their website.  I should do that sometime.  It should make
for some very interesting contrasts in style.  I saw it referred to
somewhere today (don't remember where) as the U.S. gov't-controlled
network.  CNN is Bushy enough.  Fox must be something to behold.

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>Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Indeed Natalie thought that was a very good essay -- which is why she
> > posted the url for it (a different url -- the IHT url) yesterday or day
> > before.

Just so you know that some of us are paying attention, I say your post this
morning, read the article, and found it very well written.


    --bonniev

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02003-04-11 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> No, I don't think I misunderstood the point at all.  I understood that
> you were saying that the flag-waving was purely opportunism in that
> instance.  But that does not change my point about what this country is
> becoming a symbol of.

Hokay ...

If that's the sense in which you mean it, then as far as I can tell
it was always a symbol of opportunism. Now that may well be due to
worldwide ingrates who envy our freedoms etc, but that's how it is.

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bonniev wrote:

> she would go all the way to the final four.  I wish they would vote off
> Heide.  She's ugly.  I'm tired of looking at her bony chest.

I've never much liked Heide, though she's been less obnoxious in recent
weeks imho.  But don't you think it was pretty funny last night at
Tribal Council when she said that her assets were her physical ability
and her intelligence?

> >  And why do I think this is the most undesirable setting yet?  Am I alone
> > in that?
>
> I was thinking the opposite.  We don't see quite so much of them being
> horribly hungry as some of the other sites.  Remember that edition that
> Knoxville Tina was in?  They had this horrible flood and their rice can
> floated away.  They had to swim across a river at night to get it
> back.  That was pretty undesirable.

Hmm.  It's true, I guess, that they don't have quite as many problems of
that kind.  But it just seems so ugly and bug-and-crocodile infested.
I'm not sure that I can remember all the sites.  Some had much prettier
water, I know.  I think the one in Thailand was especially scenic,
wasn't it?

> I'm not so sure about that.  If you last long enough to make it on the
> jury, you have to stay around.  But if you get voted off before that I
> think you can either go home or travel other places but not necessarily
> stay there.

But if you could go home, wouldn't there be a strong possiblity of
leaks?  That's the reason I'm thinking they have to stay.  Maybe if they
agreed to travel around and not go home immediately, it could work, but
with Survivor's <status> these days, reporters might be lurking at the
airport of departure from the site.

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At 07:59 PM 4/11/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>John Williams wrote:
>
> > > *********
> > > The Marines appear to be very edgy, even terrified, following the human
> > > bombing
> > > on Thursday.
> >
> >     Living in terror of violent death for 24 hours a day will tend to
> do that.
>
>Uhhh -- I don't think anybody is questioning that.  Certainly I am not,
>nor do I think the reporter was.

This is one of the worst things for me think about. To be afraid to help
because you can't trust is so sad.  I've never understood suicide bombers.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > No, I don't think I misunderstood the point at all.  I understood that
> > you were saying that the flag-waving was purely opportunism in that
> > instance.  But that does not change my point about what this country is
> > becoming a symbol of.
>
> Hokay ...
>
> If that's the sense in which you mean it, then as far as I can tell
> it was always a symbol of opportunism. Now that may well be due to
> worldwide ingrates who envy our freedoms etc, but that's how it is.

A symbol of opportunism if being waved by people in other countries.
But I was thinking more about how it's a symbol to those not necessarily
waving it -- a symbol of bullying, imperialism, aggression.  I grant,
though, that my "is becoming a symbol of" is not entirely accurate since
it has long been such a symbol to many people.  I still shudder at the
things I read written by Europeans in the guest book at Hiroshima.  My
"is becoming" meant "is becoming more of" or "is becoming more
blatantly."

Weapons of mass destruction?  Uh huh.  Afaik, we're still #1 in that
contest.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-04-11 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> A symbol of opportunism if being waved by people in other countries.
> But I was thinking more about how it's a symbol to those not necessarily
> waving it -- a symbol of bullying, imperialism, aggression.

You said it, not them. Secondly, these people in India (I have
known some people who are approximately the type) are not in any
form advocating "bullying". Their reasoning is simple: at least
since 1992, Pakistan "has had a hand in" blowing up public buldings
and "other acts of terrorism", and it's on the increase, so some-
one needs a serious beating. They will not see what this has to
do with bullying. If your reasoning is simple like this, any other
well-advertised example of simple reasoning will go straight to
your simple heart.

> I grant, though, that my "is becoming a symbol of" is not entirely
> accurate since it has long been such a symbol to many people.

So nothing's very different today ... Why be alarmed? I for instance
haven't known a single shit-ass from India (at least) who's ever come
to America because he was sick of the government suppressing him, or
the cops were beating him, etc. He came because he was dissatisfied
with the money he was making and the prestige he was getting. I am
exaggerating--I mean some, e.g. come so they can live relatively
comfortably while pursuing "rich man" hobbies like research, but
the principle is the same. Opportunity is the key word. I bet the
numbers of refugees or people in fear of their life or livelihood
are negligible compared to this ...

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bonniev wrote:
> > > Indeed Natalie thought that was a very good essay -- which is why she
> > > posted the url for it (a different url -- the IHT url) yesterday or day
> > > before.
>
> Just so you know that some of us are paying attention, I say your post this
> morning, read the article, and found it very well written.

Oh good.  I feel less ignored.  Probably it was early this morning that
I posted that url, not yesterday or the day before.  My sense of time is
becoming increasingly fuzzy.  I had read the article in e-mail the day
before -- probably yesterday -- but without a url provided.  Then it was
probably early this morning when I was doing my usual early-morning scan
of news sites that I saw it in the IHT and posted the url to the list.

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On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>before -- probably yesterday -- but without a url provided.  Then it was
>probably early this morning when I was doing my usual early-morning scan
>of news sites that I saw it in the IHT and posted the url to the list.

Obviously I missed it - I usually don't chase unless I have specific
information about contents - I'm curious: what was the message header?

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Obviously I missed it - I usually don't chase unless I have specific
> information about contents - I'm curious: what was the message header?

I don't remember.  Probably it was something like "an interesting
editorial" or "a good editorial."  I also don't chase urls without
knowing why I'm chasing them.  But I gather from comments made that many
Wordslers do.

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**********
Richard Perle, one of the chief U.S. ideologists behind the
war to oust Saddam Hussein, warned Friday that the United
States would be compelled to act if it discovered that Iraqi
weapons of mass destruction have been concealed in Syria.
**********
from: http://www.iht.com/articles/93022.htm

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>But don't you think it was pretty funny last night at
>Tribal Council when she said that her assets were her physical ability
>and her intelligence?

I loved how Jeff asked which one she had lost.

>Hmm.  It's true, I guess, that they don't have quite as many problems of
>that kind.  But it just seems so ugly and bug-and-crocodile infested.

I remember on the very first one that one woman got infected bug bites all
over her legs that they said wouldn't totally heal for two years!   But you
are right about the water at other sites being much prettier.

>But if you could go home, wouldn't there be a strong possiblity of
>leaks?  That's the reason I'm thinking they have to stay.
>  -- Natalie

Yes, you would think so.  But I do remember hearing of people who returned
home early.  That's not really giving much away, though.  You would know
that person didn't win.  But you still wouldn't know which of the final
nine people did win.


    --bonniev

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The reason I was on the IHT site again (from which I just quoted) was
that I was looking again for that Gunter Grass article, since for some
reason the one at the url Bethany posted didn't let me cut to paste.
(Oh, how I hate those terms re computers, but that's off-subject.)
Anyway, here's one part of that GG essay that resonates strongly with
me:

***************
It is not just foreigners who cringe as this ideal pales to the point
where it is
now a caricature of itself. There are many Americans who love their
country
too, people who are horrified by the betrayal of their founding values
and by the
hubris of those holding the power.
***************
from:
http://www.iht.com/search.php?id=92716&owner=(TMSI)&date=20030411121303

I have no doubt said this before, but I will say it again.  I am
outraged beyond words when I hear people say that being against the war
is un-American or un-Patriotic.  I am one of the people described above
-- one of the "many Americans who love their country [and are] horrified
by the betrayal of their founding values and by the hubris of those
holding the power."

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John Williams writes,

> > It is not clear whether the Palestine hotel had been hit by bombs

Why did CENTCOM say: "In the second incident, commanders on the ground
reported that Coalition forces received significant enemy fire from the
Palestine Hotel in Baghdad and, consistent with their inherent right of
self defense, Coalition forces returned fire. Sadly, a Reuters and a Tele 5
(Spain) journalist were killed in this exchange."?
<http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/News_Release.asp?NewsRelease=20030485.txt>

Why did General Buford Blount, commander of the US 3rd Infantry Division,
say, "A tank was receiving small arms fire and RPG (rocket-propelled
grenade) fire from the hotel and engaged the target with one tank
round.  The firing stopped."?

Why did the Washington Post report, "In Washington, Pentagon officials
acknowledged privately that the tank may have fired too hastily at the
hotel, possibly mistaking the journalists' cameras for weapons."?
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59837-2003Apr8.html>

Why does the tank barrel appear to be aimed and firing towards the camera
in these France 3 video footage stills?
<http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0410-04.htm>

Pete

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On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Obviously I missed it - I usually don't chase unless I have specific
>> information about contents - I'm curious: what was the message header?
>
>I don't remember.  Probably it was something like "an interesting
>editorial" or "a good editorial."  I also don't chase urls without
>knowing why I'm chasing them.  But I gather from comments made that many
>Wordslers do.

Ah, well - I would never chase on the basis of "interesting" or "good."

Bethany

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bonniev wrote:

> >But don't you think it was pretty funny last night at
> >Tribal Council when she said that her assets were her physical ability
> >and her intelligence?
>
> I loved how Jeff asked which one she had lost.

I didn't even notice that!  Jeff is a real shit at times but indeed a
funny one.

> Yes, you would think so.  But I do remember hearing of people who returned
> home early.  That's not really giving much away, though.  You would know
> that person didn't win.  But you still wouldn't know which of the final
> nine people did win.

But still -- wouldn't we hear some leaks in the early stages?  I'm not
totally tuned in to these things, of course, but I haven't when watching
a brand-new survivor heard anything about who was going to go first --
as in anything other than guessing based on the show.

Something just occurred to me.  Is "Survivor" considered part of pop
culture?

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> Subject: Lisa Marie Presley
>
>
> Adam, have you listened to her?  I just read in the paper about her album.
> They gave it an okay write up.

No, I haven't. Current musical selections are Wanda Jackson, Timi Yuro, the
soundtrack to _Amelie_, a concert CD by German pipe organ prodigy Felix
Hell, and an album of duets by Connie Francis and Hank Williams Jr. from
1964.

--Adam
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > I grant, though, that my "is becoming a symbol of" is not entirely
> > accurate since it has long been such a symbol to many people.
>
> So nothing's very different today ... Why be alarmed?

I am alarmed because I think it's becoming more extreme.

>  Opportunity is the key word. I bet the
> numbers of refugees or people in fear of their life or livelihood
> are negligible compared to this ...

Of course.  That's one thing that would be funny, except that the
situation is so unfunny, about what's happening in Iraq right now.  I
don't mean that as an exact comparison, of course.  Only in the rough
sense of who the average Iraqi on the street is going to smile at, etc.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Ah, well - I would never chase on the basis of "interesting" or "good."

Nor would I.  Or at least not normally -- possibly on a very slow day.

--
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At 01:33 PM 4/11/2003 -0400, bogris01 wrote:
> >. It was cool when you hooked
> > her up with Myles and crosswords.  Speaking of Myles, he is
>alive and
> > well.  We're going to get together and have omelettes next
>month in Santa Rosa.
> >
> > Betty
>
>I hook up with Mr. Callum from time to time, after encountering
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>omelets <var.> give him a big hug from me.  And ask him about the
>current edition of Survivor!

Are you watching it, Bradley Dale?

Betty

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> I have no doubt said this before, but I will say it again.  I am
> outraged beyond words when I hear people say that being against the
war
> is un-American or un-Patriotic.  I am one of the people described
above
> -- one of the "many Americans who love their country [and are]
horrified
> by the betrayal of their founding values and by the hubris of those
> holding the power."
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I think we are living in two completely different
countries, you and I, and I am heartsick to
read your comments.  But you seem to be
enjoying it and nothing I could say would
change your mind because it's set and is
reinforced by reading what you want to read.

                         - D. M.

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>Why does the tank barrel appear to be aimed and firing towards the camera
>in these France 3 video footage stills?
><http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0410-04.htm>

You can see a this video clip (or a very similar one) at
<http://www.francetv.fr/commun/evenements/irak/video_20030408.php>, look
for "Trois journalistes tués".  Direct URL is
<http://www.francetv.fr/commun/evenements/irak/video/journalistescibles_20030408.ram>.

Pete

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The crowd pulling down the statue of Saddam, from a different camera angle:
<http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2842.htm>.

Pete

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bonniev wrote:

> >This is the kind of thing that makes me more and more amazed at the
> >pro-war people in the US who don't seem to realize what this country is
> >becoming the symbol of.   -- Natalie

 > I think you have it wrong Natalie.  What <you> don't understand is that
 > there are plenty of Americans who are happy to be known as citizens of a
 > kick-ass war machine.

Here here. Bonnie has it exactly. To give one example of "man on the street"
opinion ever since the war started Howard Stern has repeatedly said
he was quote so happy to see bombs falling on Baghdad and Iraqis
being killed. He even said he didn't know all the facts about 9-11
and it didn't matter who did it this was revenge. We're showing the
world what we're made of. He's been saying variations of this for
weeks now. Not one caller disagrees with him. This is a prevalent
opinion in the country.

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>
>  > I think you have it wrong Natalie.  What <you> don't understand is
that
>  > there are plenty of Americans who are happy to be known as citizens
of a
>  > kick-ass war machine.
>
> Here here. Bonnie has it exactly. To give one example of "man on the
street"
> opinion ever since the war started Howard Stern has repeatedly said
> he was quote so happy to see bombs falling on Baghdad and Iraqis
> being killed. He even said he didn't know all the facts about 9-11
> and it didn't matter who did it this was revenge. We're showing the
> world what we're made of. He's been saying variations of this for
> weeks now. Not one caller disagrees with him. This is a prevalent
> opinion in the country.
>
> -rashmi

I shouldn't think that Howard Stern and the people
who follow his show are very representative.
Just loud.

                     - D. M.

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>I shouldn't think that Howard Stern and the people
>  who follow his show are very representative.

Au contraire. They're way more representative than this list.
He represents a middle of the road, non-old fart pov. Plus
he sez he gets most of his info from watching Fox and surely,
that's representative.

-rashmi

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> >Bonnie, you sound like a stalker! Do you have this much information
> >on other residents of Bah Hahbouh or just the rich'n'famous?

>  One really need not stalk to find these things out.  They drop into your
>lap.  I know the thing about Susan Sarandon's house, inherited from her
>father, because I walked right past it with some neighbors of the
>house.  They commented on it as we strolled past.   I know the thing about
>Abel's Lobster Pound because the owners of the Inn that I was sitting came
>  home from dinner there and mentioned they saw Tim Robbins

I was teasing, trying to reinforce my mean status. It's sweet that you like
BH so much and go to the trouble of learning the local lore, gossip,
trivia etc.

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> >I shouldn't think that Howard Stern and the people
> >  who follow his show are very representative.
>
> Au contraire. They're way more representative than this list.
> He represents a middle of the road, non-old fart pov. Plus
> he sez he gets most of his info from watching Fox and surely,
> that's representative.
>
> -rashmi

Most groups are more representative than
this list.

But think numbers, in relation to population.

                - D. M.

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D. M :

>But think numbers, in relation to population.

Sorry, what? I don't know what you mean here.
Numbers of what? I don't get this at all.

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> D. M :
>
> >But think numbers, in relation to population.
>
> Sorry, what? I don't know what you mean here.
> Numbers of what? I don't get this at all.
>
> -rashmi

The size of his audience, those who dig his show.

            - D. M.

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02003-04-12 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Here here. Bonnie has it exactly. To give one example of "man on the
> street" opinion ever since the war started Howard Stern has repeatedly
> said he was quote so happy to see bombs falling on Baghdad and Iraqis
> being killed. He even said he didn't know all the facts about 9-11
> and it didn't matter who did it this was revenge. We're showing the
> world what we're made of. He's been saying variations of this for
> weeks now. Not one caller disagrees with him. This is a prevalent
> opinion in the country.

Howard Stern's listeners may well be little weenies with numerous
resentments in life. Of course, you are a listener too, but for
some reason you don't call ...

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02003-04-11 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> The crowd pulling down the statue of Saddam, from a different camera angle:
> <http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2842.htm>.

Did you believe that pissant "massive celebrating crowd" before?
It certainly looked like about 200 people on infinite loop, when
I watched it on TV.

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I've been listening to him lately. I've been needing a good laugh and I can
usually scrounge one up while listening to him and his gang. I never confuse
him with NPR.

Sandra


02003-04-12 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Here here. Bonnie has it exactly. To give one example of "man on the
> street" opinion ever since the war started Howard Stern has repeatedly
> said he was quote so happy to see bombs falling on Baghdad and Iraqis
> being killed. He even said he didn't know all the facts about 9-11
> and it didn't matter who did it this was revenge. We're showing the
> world what we're made of. He's been saying variations of this for
> weeks now. Not one caller disagrees with him. This is a prevalent
> opinion in the country.

Howard Stern's listeners may well be little weenies with numerous
resentments in life. Of course, you are a listener too, but for
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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > I have no doubt said this before, but I will say it again.  I am
> > outraged beyond words when I hear people say that being against the
> war
> > is un-American or un-Patriotic.  I am one of the people described
> above
> > -- one of the "many Americans who love their country [and are]
> horrified
> > by the betrayal of their founding values and by the hubris of those
> > holding the power."
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> I think we are living in two completely different
> countries, you and I, and I am heartsick to
> read your comments.  But you seem to be
> enjoying it and nothing I could say would
> change your mind because it's set and is
> reinforced by reading what you want to read.

I don't know what you mean about our completely different countries.
You haven't seen Letters to the Editor or whatever suggesting that
anti-war rallies are un-American or un-Patriotic?  I don't know people
in my <real life> who think that, but I've certainly been exposed to
such thoughts through the media.

Or are you referring to the quotation about founding values and hubris?
Again, everybody I know in my ftf world is horrified at the hubris of
Dubya, Rumsfeld, et al and sickened by watching our country turn so
blatantly into a rogue state attacking at whim.  I don't know what the
"it" is that you think I am enjoying.  I enjoy neither of the above --
being called un-American/un-patriotic or watching what's happening to my
country.  (Note my use of the word "blatantly" -- I am not claiming that
this country has up until now had a squeaky-clean record in every way.
And Dubya is by no means the first trigger-happy Pres we've had.  He's
just more blatant and arrogant-toned about it.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:

> > reinforced by reading what you want to read.

I meant to respond to this part also.  I'm not sure what it means
exactly.  Most things I read are not required reading, so yes, I read
what I want to read.  But one thing I always try to do, especially
during controversial times in the country or the world, is read widely
varying sources.  The web makes that much easier than it was in the old
days, of course, as does the widespread use of English in today's
world.  I can hop all over the globe in my reading of different points
of view.

Do you not also read what you want to read?  Do you want to read only
the neoconservative publications?

I'm even a subscriber to US News & World Report, btw.  I'll admit that I
don't read all of the <news> in it since I normally read that in
Newsweek.  I like the stuff near the back of US News -- odds 'n ends I
might not see elsewhere -- things like the "news you can use" sections.
But I do sometimes read US News's conservative news perspectives and
editorials.  I also read various conservative editorials in other
magazines and newspapers.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> The crowd pulling down the statue of Saddam, from a different camera
angle:
> <http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2842.htm>.
>
> Pete

Lots of things can be done with pictures.  Last
night on Nightline I caught a story about a
picture being passed around on the net which
purported to be Americans killings Iraqis who
had come forth waving white flags.  One guy
who received the picture from a friend got to
looking at the picture of marines on top of the
victims and he noticed that the victim still
gripped the white flag, whereas if he were dead
he would have lost his grip.  He took the picture
to a newspaper or <someone> who helped to
track down where the picture originated.  It was
snapped by a British reporter.  They tracked him
down by telephone in Iraq and he explained the
picture.

Several Iraqis had approached waving white flags.
The marines gave them standard instructions for
doing their standard search . . to lie down on
their backs.  Then the marines straddled them to
frisk them and search their pockets, then helped
them to their feet.

               - D. M.

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Natalie, please read.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A52281-2003Apr7

Inside University Gates: The Burning and the Bodies

By David Finkel
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Tuesday, April 8, 2003; Page A17
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Tushar Samant writes,

>Did you believe that pissant "massive celebrating crowd" before?

Press coverage is always a small window on a larger event.

Pete

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I watch a lot of Fox News.  I would guess it's about 50-50 from
the reporters and commentators on "cache" (as in "weapons cache")
between "kash" and "kashay".  Geraldo gets it right, but Ollie
North and Major Bob don't.  Etc.

brad

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Anyone know what a DeCoste kitchen is?  It doesn't appear to be easily
googleable.   I'm touring real estate ads in Nova Scotia just in case it
becomes untenable to continue to live in the good ole USA.  Several of the
ads talk about a DeCoste kitchen without describing or picturing just what
that is.  One thing I have figured out is that we could buy quite a house
in Nova Scota for what our Bar Harbor house is worth.

    --bonniev

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At 02:59 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>Anyone know what a DeCoste kitchen is?  It doesn't appear to be easily
>googleable.   I'm touring real estate ads in Nova Scotia just in case it
>becomes untenable to continue to live in the good ole USA.  Several of the
>ads talk about a DeCoste kitchen without describing or picturing just what
>that is.  One thing I have figured out is that we could buy quite a house
>in Nova Scota for what our Bar Harbor house is worth.
>
>    --bonniev

Do you want help packing in July?

Betty

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Bonnie writes,

>Anyone know what a DeCoste kitchen is?

There are a couple of Google hits that talk about DeCoste wooden cabinets:

decoste kitchen with cherry wood cabinets
DeCoste cabinets
DeCoste Oak kitchen cabinets

These are perhaps made by DeCoste Manufacturing:

DECOSTE MANUFACTURING LTD.
P.O. Box 495
Kingston, Kings Go. BOP IRO [Nova Scotia]
Location: 769 Main Street
K.J. DeCoste, President
V.A. DeCoste VA, Vice President
Yr. Est. 1977
NAICS 337110 Markets: 0
Tel: 902-765-2466 Emp. 14
Fax: 902-765-8411
Products:
Cabinets, Household, incl. Kitchen, Wooden;
Furniture, Household

Pete

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At 07:25 AM 4/12/2003 -0400, Brad Grissom wrote:
>I watch a lot of Fox News.  I would guess it's about 50-50 from
>the reporters and commentators on "cache" (as in "weapons cache")
>between "kash" and "kashay".  Geraldo gets it right, but Ollie
>North and Major Bob don't.  Etc.

Very interesting!

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>These are perhaps made by DeCoste Manufacturing:
>
>DECOSTE MANUFACTURING LTD.
>P.O. Box 495
>Kingston, Kings Go. BOP IRO [Nova Scotia]
>Pete

That must be it.   Thanks, Pete.


    --bonniev

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>Do you want help packing in July?
>Betty

We'll let you know.


    --bonniev

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02003-04-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:25 AM 4/12/2003 -0400, Brad Grissom wrote:
> >I watch a lot of Fox News.  I would guess it's about 50-50 from
> >the reporters and commentators on "cache" (as in "weapons cache")
> >between "kash" and "kashay".  Geraldo gets it right, but Ollie
> >North and Major Bob don't.  Etc.
>
> Very interesting!

WRONG

It's:

You make some interesting points.

or:

Interesting stuff!

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At 02:58 PM 4/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 07:25 AM 4/12/2003 -0400, Brad Grissom wrote:
> > >I watch a lot of Fox News.  I would guess it's about 50-50 from
> > >the reporters and commentators on "cache" (as in "weapons cache")
> > >between "kash" and "kashay".  Geraldo gets it right, but Ollie
> > >North and Major Bob don't.  Etc.
> >
> > Very interesting!
>
>WRONG
>
>It's:
>
>You make some interesting points.
>
>or:
>
>Interesting stuff!

I realized my error right after I hit send. I didn't want to ignore Brad.

It's raining and miserable here.  I hope you have snow and cold.

Betty

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>    And the only "of course" that I cry is that Journalism 101 should be a
>required freshman course to prime bullshit detectors.


>JMW

Hey! That's my line -- exactly!

And one former freshman who followed my advice recently thanked me!

AS

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At 03:37 PM 4/12/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> >    This lie from Al-jazeera has been well and truly fisked.
>
>Anyone here actually viewed Al-Jazeera direct here besides me?
>
>I have some Saudi friends who get it here on their dish. Both husband and
>wife (he a journalist, by the way; she, an aspiring liberrian) have both
>decided to pursue yet further study here ...
>
>AS

Yes.  Are we special?

  http://english.aljazeera.net/topics/index.asp?cu_no=1&lng=0&template_id=1&te

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At 03:59 PM 4/12/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>BB/BF:
>
> >Anyone here actually viewed Al-Jazeera direct here besides me?
> >
> >I have some Saudi friends who get it here on their dish. Both husband and
> >wife (he a journalist, by the way; she, an aspiring liberrian) have both
> >decided to pursue yet further study here ...
> >
> >AS
>
> >Yes.  Are we special?
>
> >
>http://english.aljazeera.net/topics/index.asp?cu_no=1&lng=0&template_id=1&te
>
>No. :).

Dang!  Are you all comfortable in your new office/job now? We're still
waiting for the ax to fall here. Next month now we're told.

BB

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At 04:59 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>"By my estimation, since the war started, the 24-hour cable news networks,
>in conjunction with their military analysts, have dropped more than 30
>megatons of precision-guided manure on the American people."
>
>        ---Aaron McGruder

Hear!  Hear!

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At 02:26 PM 4/12/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
 >Never know when you have to get out of town fast?

Not a question of "have to," rather a question of "want to."  And it's not
the town that bothers me.

 >We can still have
>blueberry pancakes, watch the parade, and eat lobster without you, right?

Of course.  The Chamber of Commerce lives.  However, Natalie may want to
pull down some statues, because they all are of winners.

>Would you come back for health care?

Why would I want to?

cwv

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>>It's raining and miserable here too.  Coast to coast.
>
>They are golfing in Georgia.

 From some of the pictures it looks like they are golfing in swamp-like
conditions.


    --bonniev

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>Never know when you have to get out of town fast? We can still have
>blueberry pancakes, watch the parade, and eat lobster without you, right?

Yes.

>Would you come back for health care?

Who needs health care when you can get cheap drugs?


    --bonniev

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At 02:38 PM 4/12/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>At 05:26 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>Betty
>>>Would you come back for health care?
>>
>>Why would I want to?
>>
>>cwv
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>Cheaper?  Wouldn't you have to pay there?

Well, one pays, one way or another.  But if I were to paying via the
Canadian system, why would I want to come back here, to the Bush-Fristian
system?  They both have enough money already.

cwv

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At 05:26 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
Betty
>>Would you come back for health care?
>
>Why would I want to?
>
>cwv

Cheaper?  Wouldn't you have to pay there?

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At 05:44 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 02:38 PM 4/12/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>>At 05:26 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>>Betty
>>>>Would you come back for health care?
>>>
>>>Why would I want to?
>>>
>>>cwv
>>
>>Cheaper?  Wouldn't you have to pay there?
>
>Well, one pays, one way or another.  But if I were to paying via the
>Canadian system, why would I want to come back here, to the Bush-Fristian
>system?  They both have enough money already.

I don't know how it works in Canada if you aren't Canadian. Here I know you
have a big deductible. You have to leave your guns at home.

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>I don't know how it works in Canada if you aren't Canadian. Here I know you
>have a big deductible. You have to leave your guns at home.

Couldn't we become Canadian?  We don't have any guns.  Well ... ...


    --bonniev

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At 02:54 PM 4/12/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:

>I don't know how it works in Canada if you aren't Canadian. Here I know you
>have a big deductible.

Well, I no longer have the deductible---Medicare and all that,
y'know.  However, were I to move to Canada, I probably would apply for
citizenship.

>You have to leave your guns at home.

I don't know what you meant by this.  If it was literal, I'm sure I could
sell the one rather old, if not truly antique, firearm I possess to JMW or
some other of his ilk for considerable $$$.

cwv

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At 05:55 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>I don't know how it works in Canada if you aren't Canadian. Here I know you
>>have a big deductible. You have to leave your guns at home.
>
>Couldn't we become Canadian?  We don't have any guns.  Well ... ...

I don't know. Ask Paul on Monday.  My nephew did.

Betty

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At 05:57 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 02:54 PM 4/12/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>
>>I don't know how it works in Canada if you aren't Canadian. Here I know you
>>have a big deductible.
>
>Well, I no longer have the deductible---Medicare and all that,
>y'know.  However, were I to move to Canada, I probably would apply for
>citizenship.
>
>>You have to leave your guns at home.
>
>I don't know what you meant by this.  If it was literal, I'm sure I could
>sell the one rather old, if not truly antique, firearm I possess to JMW or
>some other of his ilk for considerable $$$.

Well, it was my round about way to find out if there were guns in the
house.  :-)

I seriously don't know how difficult it would be to become a citizen. I
don't know how difficult we make it for them either.

Betty

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At 03:16 PM 4/12/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:

>Well, it was my round about way to find out if there were guns in the
>house.  :-)

The one I have (a rifle) I inherited from my stepfather by way of his
father.  To my knowledge, I was the last to fire it and that was years
ago.  It is fairly old and probably is appreciating in value each
year.  One of these years, I will obtain an appraisal.  It is in a case and
is the only firearm tolerated on these premises.

cwv

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At 06:19 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 03:16 PM 4/12/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>
>>Well, it was my round about way to find out if there were guns in the
>>house.  :-)
>
>The one I have (a rifle) I inherited from my stepfather by way of his
>father.  To my knowledge, I was the last to fire it and that was years
>ago.  It is fairly old and probably is appreciating in value each
>year.  One of these years, I will obtain an appraisal.  It is in a case and
>is the only firearm tolerated on these premises.

We have Larry's grandmother's rifle. The birds didn't bother her garden much.

Betty

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At 05:26 PM 4/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > Dang!  Are you all comfortable in your new office/job now? We're still
> > waiting for the ax to fall here. Next month now we're told.
>
>What ax? The only kind I know of is "large layoff".

First there is:

The Axe Yell

Before the Axe, there was the Axe Yell, a parody of a passage from
Aristophanes' The Frog. The
original passage was a chorus of frogs that made a sound like:
Re-ke-ke-kax, ke-kax, ke-kax,
which became:

Give 'em! the axe! the axe! the axe!
Give 'em! the axe! the axe! the axe!
Give 'em the axe!
Give 'em the axe!
Give 'em the axe!
Where?!?

Right! in the neck! in the neck! in the neck!
Right! in the neck! in the neck! in the neck!
Right in the neck!
Right in the neck!
Right in the neck!
There!


We're hoping the lay offs won't be large but there will be layoffs.

Betty

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02003-04-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> Dang!  Are you all comfortable in your new office/job now? We're still
> waiting for the ax to fall here. Next month now we're told.

What ax? The only kind I know of is "large layoff".

I don't watch al Jazira, but I have seen it. It's on at various,
uh, restaurants in the city.

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At 05:32 PM 4/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > I realized my error right after I hit send. I didn't want to ignore Brad.
>
>This is how some ridiculous "didn't want to ignore" sentiment
>gets in the way of clear thought (and Journalism 100 bullshit
>detection).
>
> > It's raining and miserable here.  I hope you have snow and cold.
>
>It isn't extremely warm, but it was great for a walk. It's kind
>of the time when all the smells suppressed in winter get loose,
>is how you might describe it. Some pedestrians might disagree--
>they had somewhat distressed faces and a few had even crossed
>their arms. Then again, none of them was wearing a "Words-L
>W****" T-shirt. Coincidence? You make the call.

I bet they didn't have a Fine Red Hat either. So there.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 4/11/2003 6:41:24 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
> << Cut to Theo -- to say once again that she doesn't watch such silliness
> as Survivor.
>  >>
>
> No need, I had no plans on making further comments about it. But don't tell
> me that I hadn't warned you about this rotten war long before it started.
> None of you would believe me then either, would you?  Some day maybe you'll


        And after every blessed warning, you tell us you won't talk
about it anymore.  And yet, our hopes are tragically dashed
once again.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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In a message dated 4/12/2003 3:18:53 PM, bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<< At 04:59 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>"By my estimation, since the war started, the 24-hour cable news networks,
>in conjunction with their military analysts, have dropped more than 30
>megatons of precision-guided manure on the American people."
>
>        ---Aaron McGruder

Hear!  Hear!
 >>

Spare me, I don't want to hear any of that garbage fall. Theo

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They're lovely.

--
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On Sat, 12 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:

>It's raining and miserable here too.  Coast to coast.

It's brilliantly sunny and near 70 here. Suck on, South!

Bethany

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On Sat, 12 Apr 2003, Theodora Groothof wrote:

>No need, I had no plans on making further comments about it. But don't tell
>me that I hadn't warned you about this rotten war long before it started.
>None of you would believe me then either, would you?  Some day maybe you'll
>agree that "Survivors" is silly. <hopefully against her better knowledge:<

Theo, how does it feel to be omniscient?

Bethany

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BB/BF:

>Anyone here actually viewed Al-Jazeera direct here besides me?
>
>I have some Saudi friends who get it here on their dish. Both husband and
>wife (he a journalist, by the way; she, an aspiring liberrian) have both
>decided to pursue yet further study here ...
>
>AS

>Yes.  Are we special?

>
http://english.aljazeera.net/topics/index.asp?cu_no=1&lng=0&template_id=1&te

No. :).

AS

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At 12:13 PM 4/12/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:

>Do you want help packing in July?

What makes you think that it would take us that long?

cwv

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02003-04-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> I realized my error right after I hit send. I didn't want to ignore Brad.

This is how some ridiculous "didn't want to ignore" sentiment
gets in the way of clear thought (and Journalism 100 bullshit
detection).

> It's raining and miserable here.  I hope you have snow and cold.

It isn't extremely warm, but it was great for a walk. It's kind
of the time when all the smells suppressed in winter get loose,
is how you might describe it. Some pedestrians might disagree--
they had somewhat distressed faces and a few had even crossed
their arms. Then again, none of them was wearing a "Words-L
W****" T-shirt. Coincidence? You make the call.

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At 05:35 PM 4/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-12 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > "By my estimation, since the war started, the 24-hour cable news networks,
> > in conjunction with their military analysts, have dropped more than 30
> > megatons of precision-guided manure on the American people."
>
>At least they are sticking to unfiskable western standards
>of journalism.

I wasn't aware that western journalism still possessed standards.

> >        ---Aaron McGruder

He is the creator/witer of "Boondocks," decidedly <not> an Eastern strip.

cwv

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02003-04-12 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 4/11/2003 6:41:24 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
> << Cut to Theo -- to say once again that she doesn't watch such silliness
> as Survivor.
>  >>
>
> No need, I had no plans on making further comments about it. But don't tell
> me that I hadn't warned you about this rotten war long before it started.
> None of you would believe me then either, would you?  Some day maybe you'll
> agree that "Survivors" is silly. <hopefully against her better knowledge:<

Cite..

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At 04:58 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>It's raining and miserable here.  I hope you have snow and cold.
>>Betty
>
>It's raining and miserable here too.  Coast to coast.

They are golfing in Georgia.

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>I won't dishonor the hat.  I even feel elegant with it on. It's a special
>hat.  Do you want to see it?
>Betty

I've seen a picture of Betty in Alyce's hat and it is a beautiful hat on a
beautiful woman!


    --bonniev

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>It's raining and miserable here.  I hope you have snow and cold.
>Betty

It's raining and miserable here too.  Coast to coast.


    --bonniev

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> They're lovely.
>
My pleasure.

alyce

--
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518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
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In a message dated 4/12/2003 5:35:28 PM, bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<< >No way, it's dry and sunny, although not warm. Theo

I like Colorado in the spring.

Betty
 >>

I wish. Was just talking about CO weather with my dau. I live in Idaho now,
Betty.
Theo

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In a message dated 4/12/2003 2:58:45 PM, bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:

<< It's raining and miserable here too.  Coast to coast.
 >>

No way, it's dry and sunny, although not warm. Theo

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At 06:28 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>In a message dated 4/11/2003 6:41:24 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
><< Cut to Theo -- to say once again that she doesn't watch such silliness
>as Survivor.
>  >>
>
>No need, I had no plans on making further comments about it. But don't tell
>me that I hadn't warned you about this rotten war long before it started.
>None of you would believe me then either, would you?


Why do you say this?

>  Some day maybe you'll
>agree that "Survivors" is silly. <hopefully against her better knowledge:<
>Theo

I think people watch it knowing it is silly but enjoy it anyway.  Kinda
like this list.

Betty

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02003-04-12 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 07:15 PM 4/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >I shall make a note of this immediately, Dr Voigtlander.
>
> ...and well you might.

Would you say that he just represents a special interest
and is not particularly relevant?

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At 07:24 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>In a message dated 4/12/2003 2:58:45 PM, bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:
>
><< It's raining and miserable here too.  Coast to coast.
>  >>
>
>No way, it's dry and sunny, although not warm. Theo

I like Colorado in the spring.

Betty

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At 08:14 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>Me, too!  I'm listening to my Chicago CD with the volume turned up.  He had
>>it coming. . . .         --Betty
>
>... he only had himself to blame.  If you'd a been there, if you'd a seen
>it, you woulda done the same.

I don't think I'll ever tire of this CD.

Betty

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At 07:19 PM 4/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>After reaching middle age, I changed some of my habits--apart from
>drinking Starbucks coffee, I have also begun solving corsswords. Due
>this new hobby, I immediately perceive that "red hat" is the opposite
>of "hatred"! Weird, huh. Do you think Alyce has a s3krit message?


Are you addressing Empress Alyce?

Betty

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At 07:27 PM 4/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 07:19 PM 4/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >After reaching middle age, I changed some of my habits--apart from
> > >drinking Starbucks coffee, I have also begun solving corsswords. Due
> > >this new hobby, I immediately perceive that "red hat" is the opposite
> > >of "hatred"! Weird, huh. Do you think Alyce has a s3krit message?
> >
> > Are you addressing Empress Alyce?
>
>I am expressing a thought, "Red".


I felt the power as soon as I put it on.  Really.

Betty

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At 08:03 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>In a message dated 4/12/2003 5:43:39 PM, bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
>
><< Are you watching TV at all,Theo?
>
>Betty
>
>  >>
>As little as I can get away with, Betty.
>Theo

Me, too!  I'm listening to my Chicago CD with the volume turned up.  He had
it coming. . . .

Betty

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At 07:21 PM 4/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-12 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > >> I've seen a picture of Betty in Alyce's hat and it is a beautiful
> > >> hat on a beautiful woman!
> > >
> > >Has it been scanned? Otherwise these are empty words any
> > >Journalism 101 student can detect.
> >
> > Yes, it's been scanned.  Or rather it didn't need to be scanned because it
> > was taken with a digital camera.  How else would I have seen it?  It's not
> > like I live down the street from Betty.
>
>Who knows, maybe PhD's have "eyes of the mind" ...

Well, we are the non evil twins!  Hey, when do we get to see Clo and Terry
with babe?

Betty

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At 08:15 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>> > I've seen a picture of Betty in Alyce's hat and it is a beautiful hat on a
>> > beautiful woman!
>>
>>Has it been scanned? Otherwise these are empty words any
>>Journalism 101 student can detect.
>
>Yes, it's been scanned.  Or rather it didn't need to be scanned because it
>was taken with a digital camera.  How else would I have seen it?  It's not
>like I live down the street from Betty.

It isn't even that great of a photo but I was so anxious to show it off
that I only had Larry take about 20 different views!

Betty

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02003-04-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:19 PM 4/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >After reaching middle age, I changed some of my habits--apart from
> >drinking Starbucks coffee, I have also begun solving corsswords. Due
> >this new hobby, I immediately perceive that "red hat" is the opposite
> >of "hatred"! Weird, huh. Do you think Alyce has a s3krit message?
>
> Are you addressing Empress Alyce?

I am expressing a thought, "Red".

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>>... he only had himself to blame.  If you'd a been there, if you'd a seen
>>it, you woulda done the same.
>
>I don't think I'll ever tire of this CD.
>Betty

I thank you for sharing it with me -- if you're good to Mama, Mama's good
to you!


    --bonniev

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I've wintered 3 geraniums and am ready to set them outside.  They have
lots of green leaves, but no signs of blossoming.  What can I do to make
them bloom?

Thanks.
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Sylvia Edwards
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02003-04-12 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 07:20 PM 4/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >Would you say that he just represents a special interest
> >and is not particularly relevant?
>
> no.

okay

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Due to an unprecedented influx of images--almost 3 a month
now--a new organizing principle has been proposed. It's
"miscellaneous images by month of upload"--very original.
Please view <http://words-l.org/images/0200304/>. This page
will be available from the home page soon. Diegetic Mutant
Hog would also like to know if making these searchable from
Google is a good idea ... Thanks

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>Dang!  Are you all comfortable in your new office/job now? We're still
waiting for the ax to fall here. Next month now we're told.

>BB

Yikes! Well, I can tell you from experience that "the waiting is the hardest
part."

The job is fine. I would call it "adequate." This is enhanced by having
congenial coworkers, also irreverant. It will get me/us through the next
year here when I/we shall be ready to start a fresh tome (actually, I am
ready now). Our program is federally grant-funded for the next five years,
so no prob there.

As far as my student perspective goes, it's a real bitch having one's
adviser to die just before one is to start writing one's thesis (Ed.S., in
this case), AND getting a Real Bitch who is clueless for a new adviser.
Anyway, the pages are increasing and the work shall be completed regardless.
After that, I will lock in to the other "institution" affilitated with this
joint-doctoral program for more contrived "research" leading to the grand
Piled High and Deep.

Or I may take the Ed.S. and run. Once again I shall skip the regalia bit.

How many of you "walked" to get your highest degrees?

AS

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At 10:42 AM 4/13/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> >Dang!  Are you all comfortable in your new office/job now? We're still
>waiting for the ax to fall here. Next month now we're told.
>
> >BB
>
>Yikes! Well, I can tell you from experience that "the waiting is the hardest
>part."

Most definitely. I just want it to be over. Someone make a decision.


>The job is fine. I would call it "adequate." This is enhanced by having
>congenial coworkers, also irreverant. It will get me/us through the next
>year here when I/we shall be ready to start a fresh tome (actually, I am
>ready now). Our program is federally grant-funded for the next five years,
>so no prob there.

Excellent.



>As far as my student perspective goes, it's a real bitch having one's
>adviser to die just before one is to start writing one's thesis (Ed.S., in
>this case), AND getting a Real Bitch who is clueless for a new adviser.
>Anyway, the pages are increasing and the work shall be completed regardless.
>After that, I will lock in to the other "institution" affilitated with this
>joint-doctoral program for more contrived "research" leading to the grand
>Piled High and Deep.

Sorry about this part. I guess it leaves you kind of on your own which may
be a good thing?


>Or I may take the Ed.S. and run. Once again I shall skip the regalia bit.

We and the grand parents enjoyed attending my children's graduations but
they were much younger.

Betty

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In a message dated 04/13/2003 3:55:38 AM Central Daylight Time,
scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<<
How mortifying a thing is this, and at a *rehearsal*? Parents
of "gifted kids" SUCK ...

>>

That's mild compared to some parents of Little Leaguers; those
parents yell at their kids, other kids, umpires, coaches, etc.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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On Sat, 12 Apr 2003, Theodora Groothof wrote:

><< Theo, how does it feel to be omniscient?
>-----------
>Grandiose, Bethany :>
>Theo

Theo, I believe you.

Bethany

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02003-04-12 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >>        ---Aaron McGruder
>
> He is the creator/witer of "Boondocks," decidedly <not> an Eastern strip.

I shall make a note of this immediately, Dr Voigtlander.

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At 11:44 AM 4/13/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>Betty, as "Betty":
>
> >However, I am willing to make allowances and really only want to FINISH!
>
> >You have to pave the way for the next one!  Good luck.
>
>Yeah, but "Dat ain't me job, mahn" :).

But it will be appreciated!


>Thanks!
>
>AS

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>Me, too!  I'm listening to my Chicago CD with the volume turned up.  He had
>it coming. . . .         --Betty

... he only had himself to blame.  If you'd a been there, if you'd a seen
it, you woulda done the same.


    --bonniev

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In a message dated 04/13/2003 11:27:37 AM Central Daylight Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<<
 I wake up early and then don't go
back to sleep because I worry about how to get rid of my books. A large
problem. 20,000 and more.

>>

Can you donate them to some poor school system or library?

I'm going to miss you; you've always been a good person.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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At 01:05 PM 4/13/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>I know you didn't want to talk about it, Alyce, because it is
>upsetting.  But what would you like to see happen with the books?  Is there
>something we could do to make something happen?  Like what if a number of
>wordslers came one weekend and spent it boxing books for shipment.  Would
>there be an internet bookseller who would pay for the boxes and the
>shipping just to have the books??   Or is that something you would even want?

I'd like to see an Alyce Cresap Library and Museum.

Betty

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02003-04-13 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 11:47 AM 4/13/2003 -0400, Jim Bradley wrote:
>
> >>Due to an unprecedented influx of images--almost 3 a month
> >>now--a new organizing principle has been proposed. It's
> >>"miscellaneous images by month of upload"--very original.
> >>Please view <http://words-l.org/images/0200304/>. This page
> >>will be available from the home page soon. Diegetic Mutant
> >>Hog would also like to know if making these searchable from
> >>Google is a good idea ... Thanks
> >
> >I'll vote yes on making them searchable.
>
> Everyone will be wanting my Fine Red Hat! <g>

Damn, now I have to read up on how to do that ... or if
it's even possible.

Anyway, just thought I'd say how much I hate this picture:
<http://google.com/jobs/images/chef2.jpg>. Not because I
don't like his face or anything. It's just that there is
one or two of THIS EXACT KIND on every freakin company
"bulletin board" I have ever seen and I can't figure out
why! What's the appeal? It's STUPID to have a picture of
a jovial suburban guy in an apron fiddling with a ladle,
spatula tongs or big ass salad bowl, entirely STUPID!

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bonniev wrote:

>> It's raining and miserable here.  I hope you have snow and cold.
>> Betty
>
>
> It's raining and miserable here too.  Coast to coast.
>


        Nah.  It's a stunning spring day here.  The colors of
everything in bloom are enough to hurt my eyeballs.   I
observed a cardinal and a yellow chickadee both sitting up
in my redbud tree by the back deck -- overload.

        Of course, I'm stuck inside doing school stuff, but oh well.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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After reaching middle age, I changed some of my habits--apart from
drinking Starbucks coffee, I have also begun solving corsswords. Due
this new hobby, I immediately perceive that "red hat" is the opposite
of "hatred"! Weird, huh. Do you think Alyce has a s3krit message?

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Something special you want to do with the money?

Sandra

> Subject: Re: Alyce's books
>
>
> bonniev wrote:
> >
> > I know you didn't want to talk about it, Alyce, because it is
> > upsetting.  But what would you like to see happen with the books?
>
> I want to get many big bucks for my inventory, just as any
> going-out-of-business merchant would. Am trying to find a dealer(s) to
> buy the lot. Thanks for the offer of help.
>
> alyce
>

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At 11:30 AM 4/13/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> >I'm sorry that you lost that. There is no one else that could be supportive
>even if not in an official capacity?  I remember Lorinda really liking her
>advisor which seemed pretty important.
>
>Yes, it is <very> important. I do have the support of a few other people
>around the university. I am also allowed to have graduate faculty from other
>departments on my Ed.S. committee, as well -- something which the Adviser
>from Hell (AFH)/Adviser Dearest (AD) seems to find personally threatening.
>Not only am I but the third person to reach this phase of this relatively
>new (and now half-baked, in my opinion) joint-doctoral program, I am this
>person's very first advisee ever for this particular program.
>
>However, I am willing to make allowances and really only want to FINISH!

You have to pave the way for the next one!  Good luck.

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Betty wrote:
>
>
>>>No need, I had no plans on making further comments about it. But don't tell
>>>me that I hadn't warned you about this rotten war long before it started.
>>>None of you would believe me then either, would you?
>>>
>>Why do you say this?
>>
>
> Being quiet and polite, I won't answer.  I think Rita has given us the
> answer in the past.  I do find it quite amazing, though -- more amazing
> than any of the other strange things Theo has said on the list.


        I keep expecting her to cackle like The Vengeance in the MGM
version of Tale of Two Cities.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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At 07:20 PM 4/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:

>Would you say that he just represents a special interest
>and is not particularly relevant?

no.

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At 05:06 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>It's brilliantly sunny and near 70 here. Suck on, South!

Rest assured, it will.

cwv

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> >
> Can you donate them to some poor school system or library?

They'd only trash them or sell them for pennies. I'd like to get money
for them, eh?

>
> I'm going to miss you; you've always been a good person.
>
Thanks
alyce

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Betty wrote:

> Do you want help packing in July?

Will they still be in BH in July?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Diegetic Mutant Hog wrote:

> Please view <http://words-l.org/images/0200304/>. This page

Great pictures!  Readable captions!  Good work!

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> PS: Do you know that I have cancer and about 4-6 weeks to go? Maybe not,
> as you haven't posted lately.

Yes, I know and I'm so sorry. (A BB birdie told me.)
Do you know when your sons can come be with you?
Is your sister able to spend time with you?
Who's taking care of you?  I wish I could pop in and help.

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At 07:45 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>In a message dated 4/12/2003 4:41:20 PM, bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
>
><< I think people watch it knowing it is silly but enjoy it anyway.  Kinda
>like this list.
>  >>
>
>NOW you tell me! And here I thoughtI'd be learning something from all those
>teacher types ;-)
>Theo

I've  learned a lot, actually, but then I forgot it.  Sigh. . . .

Betty

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PS: Do you know that I have cancer and about 4-6 weeks to go? Maybe not,
as you haven't posted lately.

alyce


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alyce cresap wrote:
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> Natalie, please read.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A52281-2003Apr7

Not very pleasant reading.

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>I've wintered 3 geraniums and am ready to set them outside.  They have
>lots of green leaves, but no signs of blossoming.  What can I do to make
>them bloom?
>
>Thanks.
>Sylvia Edwards

I hope Alyce has an answer to this.  I've done the same.  Last year what it
took was lots and lots of direct sunlight.


    --bonniev

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In a message dated 4/12/2003 5:43:39 PM, bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<< Are you watching TV at all,Theo?

Betty

 >>
As little as I can get away with, Betty.
Theo

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For a freelance piece I am working on I interviewed a red-hatted author
yesterday (wearing the uniform of purple) who has just published her second
book of poetry. She also gives workshops on herb gardening, is often heard
on the local NPR affiliate and is an avid ballroom dancer. It is, I suppose,
a profile of the profile.

AS

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>
> I realized my error right after I hit send. I didn't want to
ignore Brad.
>
> Betty

And I certainly enjoy the attention.  A couple of my other
favorites from Fox:  the somber declaration "At the end of the
day..." and the enticing "I can tell you that..."  And of course
"weapons of mass destruction" (yet to be found) was chosen by the
American Dialect Society as its Word of the Year.

brad

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At 07:54 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>In a message dated 4/12/2003 5:35:28 PM, bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
>
><< >No way, it's dry and sunny, although not warm. Theo
>
>I like Colorado in the spring.
>
>Betty
>  >>
>
>I wish. Was just talking about CO weather with my dau. I live in Idaho now,
>Betty.
>Theo

Oh, how did I  miss that?  Don't you like Idaho?  What is your grandson
doing for money now?

Betty

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02003-04-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 05:32 PM 4/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-04-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> I realized my error right after I hit send. I didn't want to ignore Brad.
> >
> >This is how some ridiculous "didn't want to ignore" sentiment
> >gets in the way of clear thought (and Journalism 100 bullshit
> >detection).
> >
> >> It's raining and miserable here.  I hope you have snow and cold.
> >
> >It isn't extremely warm, but it was great for a walk. It's kind
> >of the time when all the smells suppressed in winter get loose,
> >is how you might describe it. Some pedestrians might disagree--
> >they had somewhat distressed faces and a few had even crossed
> >their arms. Then again, none of them was wearing a "Words-L
> >W****" T-shirt. Coincidence? You make the call.
>
> I bet they didn't have a Fine Red Hat either. So there.

That's true. By the way this lady who lives on the 14th or
some such floor had a red hat on yesterday. I hadn't believed
it but it is completely true, the hat has a distinct effect.
I have never heard so much loquacity during an elevator ride
before. Plus she also knew "It's MUMBAI now, isn't it? Yep
I am a smart girl!!!!!"

Whoa. Careful, is all I am saying. And definitely don't drink
and wear.

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>I'm sorry that you lost that. There is no one else that could be supportive
even if not in an official capacity?  I remember Lorinda really liking her
advisor which seemed pretty important.

Yes, it is <very> important. I do have the support of a few other people
around the university. I am also allowed to have graduate faculty from other
departments on my Ed.S. committee, as well -- something which the Adviser
from Hell (AFH)/Adviser Dearest (AD) seems to find personally threatening.
Not only am I but the third person to reach this phase of this relatively
new (and now half-baked, in my opinion) joint-doctoral program, I am this
person's very first advisee ever for this particular program.

However, I am willing to make allowances and really only want to FINISH!

AS

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bonniev wrote:
>
> I know you didn't want to talk about it, Alyce, because it is
> upsetting.  But what would you like to see happen with the books?

I want to get many big bucks for my inventory, just as any
going-out-of-business merchant would. Am trying to find a dealer(s) to
buy the lot. Thanks for the offer of help.

alyce

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> Well, one pays, one way or another.  But if I were to paying via the
> Canadian system, why would I want to come back here, to the Bush-Fristian
> system?  They both have enough money already.

How easy is it to move to Canada and become part of the health-care
system there?  For somebody pre-retirement I would assume that finding a
job there would be required before getting the necessary papers to be at
least quasi-Canadian.  But I don't know how the rules might work after
retirement.  I don't think many countries allow people just to wander in
and become <vested>, do they?  But maybe if you show that you have
enough money and will be paying enough in taxes of various kinds, it's
ok.

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Betty wrote:

> >No need, I had no plans on making further comments about it. But don't tell
> >me that I hadn't warned you about this rotten war long before it started.
> >None of you would believe me then either, would you?
>
> Why do you say this?

Being quiet and polite, I won't answer.  I think Rita has given us the
answer in the past.  I do find it quite amazing, though -- more amazing
than any of the other strange things Theo has said on the list.

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At 06:09 PM 4/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 05:32 PM 4/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >02003-04-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > >> I realized my error right after I hit send. I didn't want to ignore
> Brad.
> > >
> > >This is how some ridiculous "didn't want to ignore" sentiment
> > >gets in the way of clear thought (and Journalism 100 bullshit
> > >detection).
> > >
> > >> It's raining and miserable here.  I hope you have snow and cold.
> > >
> > >It isn't extremely warm, but it was great for a walk. It's kind
> > >of the time when all the smells suppressed in winter get loose,
> > >is how you might describe it. Some pedestrians might disagree--
> > >they had somewhat distressed faces and a few had even crossed
> > >their arms. Then again, none of them was wearing a "Words-L
> > >W****" T-shirt. Coincidence? You make the call.
> >
> > I bet they didn't have a Fine Red Hat either. So there.
>
>That's true. By the way this lady who lives on the 14th or
>some such floor had a red hat on yesterday. I hadn't believed
>it but it is completely true, the hat has a distinct effect.
>I have never heard so much loquacity during an elevator ride
>before. Plus she also knew "It's MUMBAI now, isn't it? Yep
>I am a smart girl!!!!!"
>
>Whoa. Careful, is all I am saying. And definitely don't drink
>and wear.

I won't dishonor the hat.  I even feel elegant with it on. It's a special
hat.  Do you want to see it?

Betty

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>
> Yes, I know and I'm so sorry. (A BB birdie told me.)
> Do you know when your sons can come be with you?

Doug comes Tuesday for a week, then Jeff for three.

> Is your sister able to spend time with you?

She has been her over a month.
>  I wish I could pop in and help.

COme on over.

alyce

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02003-04-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >Whoa. Careful, is all I am saying. And definitely don't drink
> >and wear.
>
> I won't dishonor the hat.  I even feel elegant with it on. It's
> a special hat.  Do you want to see it?

Betty, please. Private mail ...

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I know you didn't want to talk about it, Alyce, because it is
upsetting.  But what would you like to see happen with the books?  Is there
something we could do to make something happen?  Like what if a number of
wordslers came one weekend and spent it boxing books for shipment.  Would
there be an internet bookseller who would pay for the boxes and the
shipping just to have the books??   Or is that something you would even want?


    --bonniev

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> >You have to leave your guns at home.
>
> I don't know what you meant by this.  If it was literal, I'm sure I could
> sell the one rather old, if not truly antique, firearm I possess to JMW or
> some other of his ilk for considerable $$$.

They ask at the border whether you're carrying firearms.  But I don't
know what would happen if you said yes.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 02:55 PM 4/13/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>bonniev wrote:
>
> > Yes, it's been scanned.  Or rather it didn't need to be scanned because it
> > was taken with a digital camera.  How else would I have seen it?  It's not
> > like I live down the street from Betty.
>
>So why aren't the rest of us being allowed to see it?

Have you been out looking at houses again?  You need to catch up.  All will
be revealed.

Betty

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02003-04-12 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >> I've seen a picture of Betty in Alyce's hat and it is a beautiful
> >> hat on a beautiful woman!
> >
> >Has it been scanned? Otherwise these are empty words any
> >Journalism 101 student can detect.
>
> Yes, it's been scanned.  Or rather it didn't need to be scanned because it
> was taken with a digital camera.  How else would I have seen it?  It's not
> like I live down the street from Betty.

Who knows, maybe PhD's have "eyes of the mind" ...

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02003-04-13 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> Have you been out looking at houses again?  You need to catch up.
> All will be revealed.

It's a much tamer photo, in my opinion.

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>Due to an unprecedented influx of images--almost 3 a month
>now--a new organizing principle has been proposed. It's
>"miscellaneous images by month of upload"--very original.
>Please view <http://words-l.org/images/0200304/>. This page
>will be available from the home page soon. Diegetic Mutant
>Hog would also like to know if making these searchable from
>Google is a good idea ... Thanks

I'll vote yes on making them searchable.

/Jim

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"By my estimation, since the war started, the 24-hour cable news networks,
in conjunction with their military analysts, have dropped more than 30
megatons of precision-guided manure on the American people."

        ---Aaron McGruder

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At 07:15 PM 4/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:

>I shall make a note of this immediately, Dr Voigtlander.

...and well you might.

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 A sobering post, to be sure.

How are you spending your days? Are you sleeping a lot or a little? Are
there too many people bustling about in your place, or not enough? Are you
getting enough medication or too much? Have you any appetite at all?

Sandra

 PS: Do you know that I have cancer and about 4-6 weeks to go? Maybe not
> as you haven't posted lately.
>
> alyce

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02003-04-12 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >I won't dishonor the hat.  I even feel elegant with it on. It's a special
> >hat.  Do you want to see it?
> >Betty
>
> I've seen a picture of Betty in Alyce's hat and it is a beautiful hat on a
> beautiful woman!

Has it been scanned? Otherwise these are empty words any
Journalism 101 student can detect.

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Betty, as "Betty":

>However, I am willing to make allowances and really only want to FINISH!

>You have to pave the way for the next one!  Good luck.

Yeah, but "Dat ain't me job, mahn" :).

Thanks!

AS

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02003-04-12 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> "By my estimation, since the war started, the 24-hour cable news networks,
> in conjunction with their military analysts, have dropped more than 30
> megatons of precision-guided manure on the American people."

At least they are sticking to unfiskable western standards
of journalism.

>        ---Aaron McGruder

Sounds like an eastern name.

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>How many of you "walked" to get your highest degrees?
>AS

I did.  It was rather neat to be hooded.  It was in December and my whole
family flew down from Wisconsin.  It was the first time my sister had
flown.  We went out to eat at the Orangery in Knoxville.  There were
poinsettia on the tables.  Rather nice.


    --bonniev

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>As far as my student perspective goes, it's a real bitch having one's
>adviser to die just before one is to start writing one's thesis (Ed.S., in
>this case), AND getting a Real Bitch who is clueless for a new adviser.
>Anyway, the pages are increasing and the work shall be completed
regardless.
>After that, I will lock in to the other "institution" affilitated with this
>joint-doctoral program for more contrived "research" leading to the grand
>Piled High and Deep.

>Sorry about this part. I guess it leaves you kind of on your own which may
be a good thing?

It's certainly better than consultation with Adviser Dearest.

However, it's quite a comedown from working with someone I thought was
brilliant, respected professionally and personally, and made the work seem
like it was a worthwhile endeavor. Although I now have my doubts, it's too
late to turn back now.

>Or I may take the Ed.S. and run. Once again I shall skip the regalia bit.

>We and the grand parents enjoyed attending my children's graduations but
they were much younger.

Right. I don't think my parents would get such a great thrill from arriving
at the venue hours early just to get seats, being packed in for several more
hours, then being stuck in traffic after that. I'd rather have an all-day
party and get the paper in the mail ... and have a more formal party when
it's time to commemorate other aspects of My New Life.

AS

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At 11:47 AM 4/13/2003 -0400, Jim Bradley wrote:
> >Due to an unprecedented influx of images--almost 3 a month
> >now--a new organizing principle has been proposed. It's
> >"miscellaneous images by month of upload"--very original.
> >Please view <http://words-l.org/images/0200304/>. This page
> >will be available from the home page soon. Diegetic Mutant
> >Hog would also like to know if making these searchable from
> >Google is a good idea ... Thanks
>
>I'll vote yes on making them searchable.

Everyone will be wanting my Fine Red Hat! <g>

Betty

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At 11:08 AM 4/13/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> >As far as my student perspective goes, it's a real bitch having one's
> >adviser to die just before one is to start writing one's thesis (Ed.S., in
> >this case), AND getting a Real Bitch who is clueless for a new adviser.
> >Anyway, the pages are increasing and the work shall be completed
>regardless.
> >After that, I will lock in to the other "institution" affilitated with this
> >joint-doctoral program for more contrived "research" leading to the grand
> >Piled High and Deep.
>
> >Sorry about this part. I guess it leaves you kind of on your own which may
>be a good thing?
>
>It's certainly better than consultation with Adviser Dearest.
>
>However, it's quite a comedown from working with someone I thought was
>brilliant, respected professionally and personally, and made the work seem
>like it was a worthwhile endeavor. Although I now have my doubts, it's too
>late to turn back now.

I'm sorry that you lost that. There is no one else that could be supportive
even if not in an official capacity?  I remember Lorinda really liking her
advisor which seemed pretty important.

> >Or I may take the Ed.S. and run. Once again I shall skip the regalia bit.
>
> >We and the grand parents enjoyed attending my children's graduations but
>they were much younger.
>
>Right. I don't think my parents would get such a great thrill from arriving
>at the venue hours early just to get seats, being packed in for several more
>hours, then being stuck in traffic after that. I'd rather have an all-day
>party and get the paper in the mail ... and have a more formal party when
>it's time to commemorate other aspects of My New Life.

That sounds more fun!

Betty

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On Sat, 12 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:

> Hey, when do we get to see Clo and Terry with babe?
>

And having seen it, do you want to rephrase?
"Hey, I've seen Edward and Terry with the babe!"

clo

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>How many of you "walked" to get your highest degrees?
>AS

>I did.  It was rather neat to be hooded.  It was in December and my whole
family flew down from Wisconsin.  It was the first time my sister had
flown.  We went out to eat at the Orangery in Knoxville.  There were
poinsettia on the tables.  Rather nice.

>    --bonniev

Does sound rather nice. I have a bit of time to think about that. Since (if
I continue and finish) I would be receiving the Ph.D. from University of
Reading (as an international student "working away"), I have the option of
being hooded (and hanged, possibly) there. Therefore, a nice holiday in the
UK may be in order.

I just can't just enthused over the intermediary hoopla at MSU.

AS

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At 11:21 AM 4/13/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> >How many of you "walked" to get your highest degrees?
> >AS
>
> >I did.  It was rather neat to be hooded.  It was in December and my whole
>family flew down from Wisconsin.  It was the first time my sister had
>flown.  We went out to eat at the Orangery in Knoxville.  There were
>poinsettia on the tables.  Rather nice.
>
> >    --bonniev
>
>Does sound rather nice. I have a bit of time to think about that. Since (if
>I continue and finish) I would be receiving the Ph.D. from University of
>Reading (as an international student "working away"), I have the option of
>being hooded (and hanged, possibly) there. Therefore, a nice holiday in the
>UK may be in order.
>
>I just can't just enthused over the intermediary hoopla at MSU.

Especially with the death of your advisor.  Wait and make a decision later.

Betty

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On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, Sylvia Edwards wrote:

>I've wintered 3 geraniums and am ready to set them outside.  They have
>lots of green leaves, but no signs of blossoming.  What can I do to make
>them bloom?

PRUNE PRUNE PRUNE. And feed them.

Bethany

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On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, Amy Burns Short wrote:

>How many of you "walked" to get your highest degrees?

Depends - which do you think is higher, a Ph.D. or a J.D.? I was across
the ocean when I got the former, but I walked - happily! - for the latter
- the first first graduate or professional degree that I walked for. Well,
actually I went only to the hooding ceremony - not the general
commencement ceremony.

Bethany

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bonniev wrote:

> I did.  It was rather neat to be hooded.  It was in December and my whole

I received my diploma in the mail in a cute orange tube.

--
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Betty wrote:

> Have you been out looking at houses again?  You need to catch up.  All will
> be revealed.

I was <away>.  Left early a.m. yesterday, returned mid-day today.  But
I'm caught up now, and all has been revealed.  Great hat.  Great
picture.

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>    This lie from Al-jazeera has been well and truly fisked.

Anyone here actually viewed Al-Jazeera direct here besides me?

I have some Saudi friends who get it here on their dish. Both husband and
wife (he a journalist, by the way; she, an aspiring liberrian) have both
decided to pursue yet further study here ...

AS

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At 05:01 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 12:13 PM 4/12/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>
>>Do you want help packing in July?
>
>What makes you think that it would take us that long?

Never know when you have to get out of town fast? We can still have
blueberry pancakes, watch the parade, and eat lobster without you, right?

Would you come back for health care?

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In a message dated 4/11/2003 6:41:24 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< Cut to Theo -- to say once again that she doesn't watch such silliness
as Survivor.
 >>

No need, I had no plans on making further comments about it. But don't tell
me that I hadn't warned you about this rotten war long before it started.
None of you would believe me then either, would you?  Some day maybe you'll
agree that "Survivors" is silly. <hopefully against her better knowledge:<
Theo

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At 07:31 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>In a message dated 4/12/2003 3:18:53 PM, bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
>
><< At 04:59 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> >"By my estimation, since the war started, the 24-hour cable news networks,
> >in conjunction with their military analysts, have dropped more than 30
> >megatons of precision-guided manure on the American people."
> >
> >        ---Aaron McGruder
>
>Hear!  Hear!
>  >>
>
>Spare me, I don't want to hear any of that garbage fall. Theo

Are you watching TV at all,Theo?

Betty

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In a message dated 4/12/2003 4:41:20 PM, bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<< I think people watch it knowing it is silly but enjoy it anyway.  Kinda
like this list.
 >>

NOW you tell me! And here I thoughtI'd be learning something from all those
teacher types ;-)
Theo

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In a message dated 4/12/2003 4:41:00 PM, dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:

<< Theo, how does it feel to be omniscient?
-----------
Grandiose, Bethany :>
Theo

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> > I've seen a picture of Betty in Alyce's hat and it is a beautiful hat on a
> > beautiful woman!
>
>Has it been scanned? Otherwise these are empty words any
>Journalism 101 student can detect.

Yes, it's been scanned.  Or rather it didn't need to be scanned because it
was taken with a digital camera.  How else would I have seen it?  It's not
like I live down the street from Betty.


    --bonniev

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In a message dated 4/12/2003 6:09:19 PM, bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<< Oh, how did I  miss that?  Don't you like Idaho?  What is your grandson
doing for money now?
 >>

I like Idaho, Betty, but the spring weather needs a change! My grandson must
not have liked the CO springs though, because he moved to New Mexico....
Seriously though, even his mother does not hear much from him. You know had
bad boys do in the writing department.I don't hear much from her either; I
guess their writing skills came from Dad's side? My dau#3 who lives here too
says that the summers are miserable though, but we have central air, so that
should help. Theo

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>But don't tell
>me that I hadn't warned you about this rotten war long before it started.
>None of you would believe me then either, would you?    --Theo

And what is it that we are supposed to believe?  That war is
terrible?  But, Theo, haven't you heard?  The USA kicked ass.  We've won
this war.  And no US cities were bombed.   And no US interests were
terrorized.  In fact, we're going to make money after this war.   Oh sure,
we suffered a few causalities among our soldiers.  But not many at
all.   So what was it we were supposed to believe you about??


    --bonniev

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 >I think people watch it knowing it is silly but enjoy it anyway.  Kinda
 >like this list.

 >Betty

As a long-time "nomail subscriber" who has recently taken to lurking on
this list quite a bit, I have to say that Betty has definitely got my
number :-)

Rita L.

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At 08:28 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>>... he only had himself to blame.  If you'd a been there, if you'd a seen
>>>it, you woulda done the same.
>>
>>I don't think I'll ever tire of this CD.
>>Betty
>
>I thank you for sharing it with me -- if you're good to Mama, Mama's good
>to you!

Give 'em the old razzle , dazzle.  Razzle, dazzle 'em.

Betty

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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So I stepped into de Paul's downtown building (to duck a large
gang of women in red hats loose on the street), and I find that
the student orchestra is rehearsing on the lower level, with a
bunch of bystanders etc looking on it from the first floor. I
say ah! this warms the cockles of the heart! Violins and flutes
and everything ...

Then I see a group of people in very similar outfits looking
from the other side--and at the first lull in the goings on,
they yell some, uh, orchestra member's name, say wooo-hooo or
whatever, and a dude in a suit waves a bouquet of bright red
roses, threatening to brain the unfortunate student.

How mortifying a thing is this, and at a *rehearsal*? Parents
of "gifted kids" SUCK ...

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>How mortifying a thing is this, and at a *rehearsal*? Parents
of "gifted kids" SUCK ...

Yes, indeedy. And never has the usage of quotation marks been so important
as in the denotation of this particular cult.

AS

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>
> I've wintered 3 geraniums and am ready to set them outside.  They have
> lots of green leaves, but no signs of blossoming.  What can I do to make
> them bloom?

I have no idea. The only one I ever had that bloomed was in a south
window all the time--I never put it outside. It bloomed year round.

sorry I don't know more.

alyce


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At 11:55 AM 4/13/2003 -0400, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> > Hey, when do we get to see Clo and Terry with babe?
> >
>
>And having seen it, do you want to rephrase?
>"Hey, I've seen Edward and Terry with the babe!"

:-)  It was a nice photo.  I hope you'll come to AcadiaFest, too!

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S Hess wrote:
>
> How are you spending your days?

In bed, mostly. I am up in spurts, maybe 4-5 hours a day. Still eating
at the table.

> Are you sleeping a lot or a little?

I sleep well, but not a whole lot. I wake up early and then don't go
back to sleep because I worry about how to get rid of my books. A large
problem. 20,000 and more.

> Are there too many people bustling about in your place, or not enough?

Just my sister. A guest is expected in a week, but he knows it needs to
be a brief visit.

Are you
> getting enough medication or too much?

Enough--it has been promised that I will not have pain. (I'm in
hospice.)

> Have you any appetite at all?

Yes, but not huge. I have bran cereal and apple juice for breakfast (to
fight constipation from pain meds). Lunch is 1/2 a sandwich or soup and
crackers. Dinner--meat, veg, potato, salad--small portions.

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bonniev wrote:

> Yes, it's been scanned.  Or rather it didn't need to be scanned because it
> was taken with a digital camera.  How else would I have seen it?  It's not
> like I live down the street from Betty.

So why aren't the rest of us being allowed to see it?

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bogris01 wrote:

> "weapons of mass destruction" (yet to be found) was chosen by the

My RRSIL assured me last night that the US troops have found lots of
weapons of mass destruction -- that they've been finding them for weeks
all over Iraq.  She also said that Saddam was responsible for 9/11.
When I asked her how she knew that, she said Bush had said so.

I am very happy to be home from CuckooLand and hope never to have to
visit there again.

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02003-04-13 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >Betty wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>No need, I had no plans on making further comments about it. But don't
> >>>tell me that I hadn't warned you about this rotten war long before it
> >>>started. None of you would believe me then either, would you?
> >>
> >>Why do you say this?
> >>
> >
> >Being quiet and polite, I won't answer.  I think Rita has given us the
> >answer in the past.  I do find it quite amazing, though -- more amazing
> >than any of the other strange things Theo has said on the list.
>
>
>        I keep expecting her to cackle like The Vengeance in the MGM
> version of Tale of Two Cities.

Excuse me all to hell--she had warned all of us about this rotten
war *before it started*. If you don't have the grace to admit it,
FUCK OFF. I am done with this topic.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> bonniev wrote:
>
>
>>I did.  It was rather neat to be hooded.  It was in December and my whole
>>
>
> I received my diploma in the mail in a cute orange tube.
>
> --


        I'll walk for Ana.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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In a message dated 4/13/2003 2:50:23 AM, bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:

<< And what is it that we are supposed to believe?  That war is
terrible?  But, Theo, haven't you heard?  The USA kicked ass.  We've won
this war. >>
------------------
Oh Bonnie, I can hardly believe you wrote this. And what about those poor
people in Iraq who lost everything? I never expected such an uncaring
attitude from you.
Now that's exactly why we aren't liked in other countries, or didn't you know
that yet? We are the biggest, most powerful country on this earth attitude.
But no, you're putting me on, aren't you? Well, you succeeded! For one minute
I thought you REALLY were one of these horrible *we are the biggest, best,
let's show them* people roaming this country.
Hanging her head in shame, Theo

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-13 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>>>Betty wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>No need, I had no plans on making further comments about it. But don't
>>>>>tell me that I hadn't warned you about this rotten war long before it
>>>>>started. None of you would believe me then either, would you?
>>>>>
>>>>Why do you say this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Being quiet and polite, I won't answer.  I think Rita has given us the
>>>answer in the past.  I do find it quite amazing, though -- more amazing
>>>than any of the other strange things Theo has said on the list.
>>>
>>
>>       I keep expecting her to cackle like The Vengeance in the MGM
>>version of Tale of Two Cities.
>>
>
> Excuse me all to hell--she had warned all of us about this rotten
> war *before it started*. If you don't have the grace to admit it,
> FUCK OFF. I am done with this topic.


        Excellent.  I just spent a lovely 45 minutes staring at my
redbud and dogwood trees and watching the dogs play.  I
think I've managed to coax my freckles into shaking off
their hibernation.  And it is fun to watch Belle learn how
to be a dog.  Vinnie has been teaching her how to play with
the squirrels.  Earlier today, she managed to work her way
out a window because she was upset that I was out in the
yard and she wasn't.  Except that she didn't notice when I
went in the house and then ran to the front door to whine to
come in.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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--On Saturday, April 12, 2003, 3:47 PM -0700 Betty
<bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:

>
> I bet they didn't have a Fine Red Hat either. So there.

I made an astonishing discovery earlier today.  I have a red hat!  It is
certainly not as Elegant or Fine as the one Betty has.  It is one of those
*old* sort of flat hats with a front brim, and get this, a red mesh piece
which shields the eyes (whatever that is called).

Terry

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bonniev wrote:

> And what is it that we are supposed to believe?  That war is
> terrible?  But, Theo, haven't you heard?  The USA kicked ass.  We've won
> this war.

    We have?

> And no US cities were bombed.

    There are some widows and orphans in New York who might take exception to
that.

JMW

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In a message dated 4/13/2003 2:01:17 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<< Excuse me all to hell--she had warned all of us about this rotten
war *before it started*. If you don't have the grace to admit it,
FUCK OFF. I am done with this topic.
 >>
____________
Thanks. I was beginning to wonder about it myself, but I KNEW it had
happened, even if it was quite a while ago.
I'm done with it too, but I had expected better from this group. If they
didn't want to admit it had happened, they could at least have had the grace
to be silent, and not toss insults in my direction. I spoke the truth,
honest, but you all got tired of hearing it, so I shut up. If you dig deep
enough, you'll no doubt recall me stating facts about WWII, that were not
welcome in the discussion?
Theo

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>There are some widows and orphans in New York who might take exception to
>that.       --JMW

But that was long before the hell of this war that Theo warned us not to
get involved in.


    --bonniev

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>Depends - which do you think is higher, a Ph.D. or a J.D.? I was across
>the ocean when I got the former, but I walked - happily! - for the latter
>- the first first graduate or professional degree that I walked for. Well,
>actually I went only to the hooding ceremony - not the general
>commencement ceremony.     --Bethany

That was one of the things that I really liked about my Ph.D. graduation
ceremony -- it was so clear that the Ph.D. was a much bigger deal than the J.D.


    --bonniev

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><< And what is it that we are supposed to believe?  That war is
>terrible?  But, Theo, haven't you heard?  The USA kicked ass.  We've won
>this war. >>
>------------------
>Oh Bonnie, I can hardly believe you wrote this. And what about those poor
>people in Iraq who lost everything?      -- Theo

Yup, they are the ones that are sorry we started this war.   But you didn't
warn them.   You warned us and I still don't see any of the horror that you
warned us about falling on the heads of USA citizens.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

>> << And what is it that we are supposed to believe?  That war is
>> terrible?  But, Theo, haven't you heard?  The USA kicked ass.  We've won
>> this war. >>
>> ------------------
>> Oh Bonnie, I can hardly believe you wrote this. And what about those poor
>> people in Iraq who lost everything?      -- Theo
>
>
> Yup, they are the ones that are sorry we started this war.   But you didn't
> warn them.   You warned us and I still don't see any of the horror that you
> warned us about falling on the heads of USA citizens.


        Bonnie has a point.  If I didn't catch the news now and then,
I wouldn't even know there was a war going on.  So, I guess
Theo was wrong.  All those warnings and not a single bad
thing has happened to me.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 4/13/2003 2:01:17 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> << Excuse me all to hell--she had warned all of us about this rotten
> war *before it started*. If you don't have the grace to admit it,
> FUCK OFF. I am done with this topic.
>  >>
> ____________
> Thanks. I was beginning to wonder about it myself, but I KNEW it had
> happened, even if it was quite a while ago.
> I'm done with it too, but I had expected better from this group. If they
> didn't want to admit it had happened, they could at least have had the grace
> to be silent, and not toss insults in my direction. I spoke the truth,
> honest, but you all got tired of hearing it, so I shut up. If you dig deep
> enough, you'll no doubt recall me stating facts about WWII, that were not
> welcome in the discussion?


        Insults are part of my First Amendment Rights, excuse me all
to hell!




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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bonniev wrote:

> But that was long before the hell of this war that Theo warned us not to
> get involved in.

    I don't know know what you mean by "this war".  To which Jihad are you
referring?

JMW

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>     I don't know know what you mean by "this war".  To which Jihad are you
>referring?        --JMW

The one the USA started with the coalition of the willing against Iraq.


    --bonniev

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On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:

>>Depends - which do you think is higher, a Ph.D. or a J.D.? I was across
>>the ocean when I got the former, but I walked - happily! - for the latter
>>- the first first graduate or professional degree that I walked for. Well,
>>actually I went only to the hooding ceremony - not the general
>>commencement ceremony.     --Bethany
>
>That was one of the things that I really liked about my Ph.D. graduation
>ceremony -- it was so clear that the Ph.D. was a much bigger deal than the J.D.

LOL! Have you ever been to a law school hooding ceremony? It was such a
big deal that I could think of no reason to attend a mere commencement.

Bethany

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In a message dated 4/13/2003 3:19:47 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<        Insults are part of my First Amendment Rights, excuse me all
to hell!
 >>

Excuse me too, but did I state anywhere that you weren't allowed to use them?
No, Rita, it said "but if you hadn't," that's different than but you
couldn't, is it not?
But I don't care anymore. This war however, isn't over yet, so we shall see
how it ends, and who gets the last laugh, if anyone.
Theo

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S Hess wrote:
>
> Something special you want to do with the money?
>
Yes, I'd like to leave it to my children.

alyce

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>  This war however, isn't over yet, so we shall see
> how it ends, and who gets the last laugh, if anyone.

I guess I am hallucinating. I thought that about two weeks ago you said
you were never going to mention the war on this list again. So there.
Must be my medicine.

alyce

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
> << And what is it that we are supposed to believe?  That war is
> terrible?  But, Theo, haven't you heard?  The USA kicked ass.  We've won
> this war. >>
> ------------------
> Oh Bonnie, I can hardly believe you wrote this. And what about those poor
> people in Iraq who lost everything? I never expected such an uncaring
> attitude from you.

They were just Arabs.  You've gotta be proud of our team for stomping
them so -- just look at the number of Iraqi deaths and injuries compared
with those of the US.  It should make you swell with pride that your
adopted country has managed to zap so many.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> >That was one of the things that I really liked about my Ph.D. graduation
> >ceremony -- it was so clear that the Ph.D. was a much bigger deal than
> the J.D.
>
>LOL! Have you ever been to a law school hooding ceremony? It was such a
>big deal that I could think of no reason to attend a mere commencement.
>Bethany

No, I have not been to a law school hooding ceremony.  But I can understand
the need for them to have their own ceremony because when the entire
university gathers to award degrees from BA through MA to JD and PhD, the
JD certainly get cheated.


    --bonniev

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John Williams wrote:

> > And no US cities were bombed.
>
>     There are some widows and orphans in New York who might take exception to
> that.

You and my RRSIL really need to get together.  Your ideas re Saddam and
9/11 are like white on rice.

--
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In a message dated 4/13/2003 4:06:01 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< I guess I am hallucinating. I thought that about two weeks ago you said
you were never going to mention the war on this list again. So there.
Must be my medicine.
 >>

I'm happy to have been of help, Alyce. So you all DO remember my warnings, do
you?
If the sick person on her last legs can, certainly all you healthy specimens
can, can't you? Feeling relief that she hasn't caused memory loss in anyone,
Theo

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/13/2003 2:01:17 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> << Excuse me all to hell--she had warned all of us about this rotten
> war *before it started*. If you don't have the grace to admit it,
> FUCK OFF. I am done with this topic.
>  >>
> ____________
> Thanks. I was beginning to wonder about it myself, but I KNEW it had
> happened, even if it was quite a while ago.

It is always gratifying to have Tushar on your side.

>  I spoke the truth,

And we stupidly just didn't <get it>.  That's why we were all so busy
writing our Senators and Representatives and the White House and anybody
else we could think of saying "Goooo War!!  Let's DO IT!"

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John Williams wrote:
>
> bonniev wrote:
>
> > But that was long before the hell of this war that Theo warned us not to
> > get involved in.
>
>     I don't know know what you mean by "this war".  To which Jihad are you
> referring?

Uh oh.  I'm behind in news.  Have we already launched the attack on
Syria?

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On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:

>No, I have not been to a law school hooding ceremony.  But I can understand
>the need for them to have their own ceremony because when the entire
>university gathers to award degrees from BA through MA to JD and PhD, the
>JD certainly get cheated.

Dream on, Bonnie!

Bethany

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In a message dated 4/13/2003 4:20:40 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< They were just Arabs.  You've gotta be proud of our team for stomping
them so -- just look at the number of Iraqi deaths and injuries compared
with those of the US.  It should make you swell with pride that your
adopted country has managed to zap so many.
 >>

I'm sorry it took me this long before I realized you all were just making fun
of me.
But no, I'm not proud of this country; it reminds me of the former Germany
during WWII. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to try to be less gullible,
and refrain from taking your comments serious every time.
Theo

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:
>
> >No, I have not been to a law school hooding ceremony.  But I can understand
> >the need for them to have their own ceremony because when the entire
> >university gathers to award degrees from BA through MA to JD and PhD, the
> >JD certainly get cheated.
>
> Dream on, Bonnie!

?  What Bonnie wrote sounded <logical> to me.  It is, I assume, why the
Vet School people get hooded in their own ceremony here.  It's more
meaningful for them than being stuck in amidst everybody else.  They
also participate in the regular ceremony but are already wearing their
hoods then.  I rarely go to graduation, but I enjoy looking at the Vet
people when I do go because I like their regalia.  Another thing that
used to be part of the whole graduation ceremony but has been moved to
its own ceremony is the commissioning or whatever it's called of the
ROTC graduates.

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An article in the Omaha World Herald this morning
(and credited to the St. Louis Dispatch) told about
the Iraqis being very confused by the appearance
of the American soldiers.  They approach a Mexican
and ask if he's from Kuwait.  A black man was thought
to be Syrian.  They were more or less flabergasted to
see Asian type faces.  It's as if they had no idea we
were a multi-racial country.  They keep approaching
guys and asking where they are really from.
I don't know why this surprises me so.  

                - D. M.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 4/13/2003 4:20:40 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
> << They were just Arabs.  You've gotta be proud of our team for stomping
> them so -- just look at the number of Iraqi deaths and injuries compared
> with those of the US.  It should make you swell with pride that your
> adopted country has managed to zap so many.
>  >>
>
> I'm sorry it took me this long before I realized you all were just making fun
> of me.
> But no, I'm not proud of this country; it reminds me of the former Germany
> during WWII. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to try to be less gullible,
> and refrain from taking your comments serious every time.
                                        ^^^^^^^


        Serious*ly*, Theo.



--
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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 4/13/2003 3:19:47 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> <<        Insults are part of my First Amendment Rights, excuse me all
> to hell!
>  >>
>
> Excuse me too, but did I state anywhere that you weren't allowed to use them?
> No, Rita, it said "but if you hadn't," that's different than but you
> couldn't, is it not?
> But I don't care anymore. This war however, isn't over yet, so we shall see
> how it ends, and who gets the last laugh, if anyone.


        I am sure you will claim the last laugh, regardless.  You
have a talent for that sort of thing.  But at least I'm not
some lying dutchie.




--
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02003-04-12 | Terry Wild <twild@URI.EDU> writes:
> I made an astonishing discovery earlier today.  I have a red hat!  It is
> certainly not as Elegant or Fine as the one Betty has.  It is one of those
> *old* sort of flat hats with a front brim, and get this, a red mesh piece
> which shields the eyes (whatever that is called).

I am another person who wants to know what it's called...

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I want you to know that I would never make fun of you or anyone
here.  I've been made fun of too many times to ever do that to
anyone.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Doris Markland wrote:

>   It's as if they had no idea we
> were a multi-racial country.  They keep approaching
> guys and asking where they are really from.
> I don't know why this surprises me so.

It somehow reminds me of a befuddled German questioning a Colombian in
the French course I took in Vichy.  We gave oral reports, and she was
talking about Colombia in hers.  I can't remember any real details of
what she said but do remember that at some point she talked about the
various races.  Manfred, the German (who was an odd person in some ways
-- he was uneducated compared to the two other Germans in the class, was
sort of a world drifter, was fascinating in ways -- but this is too much
of a digression) -- anyway, Manfred asked her in the question-answer
session after her report what she was.  He seemed fascinated that she
said she didn't know but probably mulatto.  (I guess the word was
"mulatto" -- this was all in French.)  He kept on and on questioning her
as if he really couldn't get it that she didn't know for sure and didn't
much care.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
> Feeling relief that she hasn't caused memory loss in anyone,

You are the one who has suffered memory loss. You said repeatedly that
you'd stop mentioning your war warnings, and yet you did it again.

alyce

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02003-04-13 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 4/13/2003 2:01:17 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> << Excuse me all to hell--she had warned all of us about this rotten
> war *before it started*. If you don't have the grace to admit it,
> FUCK OFF. I am done with this topic. >>
> ____________
> Thanks. I was beginning to wonder about it myself, but I KNEW it had
> happened, even if it was quite a while ago.
> I'm done with it too, but I had expected better from this group. If they
> didn't want to admit it had happened, they could at least have had the grace
> to be silent, and not toss insults in my direction. I spoke the truth,
> honest, but you all got tired of hearing it, so I shut up. If you dig deep
> enough, you'll no doubt recall me stating facts about WWII, that were not
> welcome in the discussion?

Agreed 100%. Sometimes I think we are the only two here with
bullshit-detecting degrees.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> An article in the Omaha World Herald this morning
> (and credited to the St. Louis Dispatch) told about
> the Iraqis being very confused by the appearance
> of the American soldiers.  They approach a Mexican
> and ask if he's from Kuwait.  A black man was thought
> to be Syrian.  They were more or less flabergasted to
> see Asian type faces.  It's as if they had no idea we
> were a multi-racial country.  They keep approaching
> guys and asking where they are really from.
> I don't know why this surprises me so.


        This is very often something that throws exchange students
for a big loop, especially at the schools where there is a
lot of diversity.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Agreed 100%. Sometimes I think we are the only two here with
> bullshit-detecting degrees.

Well, it's true that most Wordslers think of you and Theo as peas in a
pod.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>  a red mesh piece
> > which shields the eyes (whatever that is called).
>
> I am another person who wants to know what it's called...

Mesh eye shield?
alyce

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> I want you to know that I would never make fun of you or anyone
> here.

None of us wishes  to make fun of Theo. I certainly do not. But she
repeatedly breaks her word, repeatedly puts words in our mouths that
never were spoken, and generally insults all and sundry. That behavior
does not deserve some response? I have written politely off-list and yet
Theo persisted in sating that I (and Natalie) were pro-war. When Theo
stops, we all will stop, I feel sure.

alyce

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02003-04-13 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >Excuse me all to hell--she had warned all of us about this rotten
> >war *before it started*. If you don't have the grace to admit it,
> >FUCK OFF. I am done with this topic.
>
> Excellent.  I just spent a lovely 45 minutes staring at my
> redbud and dogwood trees and watching the dogs play.  I
> think I've managed to coax my freckles into shaking off
> their hibernation.  And it is fun to watch Belle learn how
> to be a dog.  Vinnie has been teaching her how to play with
> the squirrels.  Earlier today, she managed to work her way
> out a window because she was upset that I was out in the
> yard and she wasn't.  Except that she didn't notice when I
> went in the house and then ran to the front door to whine to
> come in.

Excuse me to bits and pieces. You think I can't detect an
illegal use of family values to quash dissent when you have
no real answers in an argument. I'm sorry I took you serious
before, I should have known your crappy attitude is your forte
and you are unlikely to budge from it. Forget it. I'm out of
this stupid thread.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> I'm out of
> this stupid thread.

Is that a promise?

alyce

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02003-04-13 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Agreed 100%. Sometimes I think we are the only two here with
> > bullshit-detecting degrees.
>
> Well, it's true that most Wordslers think of you and Theo as peas in a
> pod.

I spent a few years on usenet posting under the name "Theo" ... 100%
true fact. As for you thinking of us as peas, that's your substandard
educational system which makes us look the same to you. Ever take
Journalism 101?

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At 06:13 PM 4/13/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>An article in the Omaha World Herald this morning
>(and credited to the St. Louis Dispatch) told about
>the Iraqis being very confused by the appearance
>of the American soldiers.  They approach a Mexican
>and ask if he's from Kuwait.  A black man was thought
>to be Syrian.  They were more or less flabergasted to
>see Asian type faces.  It's as if they had no idea we
>were a multi-racial country.  They keep approaching
>guys and asking where they are really from.
>I don't know why this surprises me so.

Probably because they are as clueless about us as JMW is about them.  The
difference is that they have somewhat of an excuse, given their educational
system.

>                 - D. M.

cwv

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At 07:29 PM 4/13/2003 -0400, alyce cresap wrote:
>Tushar Samant wrote:
> >  a red mesh piece
> > > which shields the eyes (whatever that is called).
> >
> > I am another person who wants to know what it's called...
>
>Mesh eye shield?
>alyce

Netting.

Betty

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-13 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>>Excuse me all to hell--she had warned all of us about this rotten
>>>war *before it started*. If you don't have the grace to admit it,
>>>FUCK OFF. I am done with this topic.
>>>
>>Excellent.  I just spent a lovely 45 minutes staring at my
>>redbud and dogwood trees and watching the dogs play.  I
>>think I've managed to coax my freckles into shaking off
>>their hibernation.  And it is fun to watch Belle learn how
>>to be a dog.  Vinnie has been teaching her how to play with
>>the squirrels.  Earlier today, she managed to work her way
>>out a window because she was upset that I was out in the
>>yard and she wasn't.  Except that she didn't notice when I
>>went in the house and then ran to the front door to whine to
>>come in.
>>
>
> Excuse me to bits and pieces. You think I can't detect an
> illegal use of family values to quash dissent when you have
> no real answers in an argument. I'm sorry I took you serious
> before, I should have known your crappy attitude is your forte
> and you are unlikely to budge from it. Forget it. I'm out of
> this stupid thread.


        And yet our most fervent hopes are dashed again!




--
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On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-12 | Terry Wild <twild@URI.EDU> writes:
> > I made an astonishing discovery earlier today.  I have a red hat!  It is
> > certainly not as Elegant or Fine as the one Betty has.  It is one of those
> > *old* sort of flat hats with a front brim, and get this, a red mesh piece
> > which shields the eyes (whatever that is called).
>
> I am another person who wants to know what it's called...
>

My mother's was a "demiveil"

clo

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> >
> > I want you to know that I would never make fun of you or anyone
> > here.
>
> None of us wishes  to make fun of Theo. I certainly do not. But she
> repeatedly breaks her word, repeatedly puts words in our mouths that
> never were spoken, and generally insults all and sundry. That behavior
> does not deserve some response? I have written politely off-list and yet
> Theo persisted in sating that I (and Natalie) were pro-war. When Theo
> stops, we all will stop, I feel sure.

Well-said, Alyce.  But I don't really mind her breaking her word about
ceasing to talk about these matters.  Laughing out loud feels good,
which is what I do when I read Theo's war-related postings.  Yes, it's
sad that she is so utterly clueless about Wordslers' attitudes toward
the war, now or months ago, especially since many of us have talked
about that topic quite a bit.  But Theo's inability to comprehend what
people have been saying for months is in addition to being sad also
fodder for laughter.

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While in Reno a month ago Larry chose the winner of the Master's Tournament
and bet $5 at 15 to 1.

Go, Canada!

Betty

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Janet is there with Tony this week end. I hope she will write a WHTM.

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At 10:42 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, Rita Leonard wrote:
> >I think people watch it knowing it is silly but enjoy it anyway.  Kinda
> >like this list.
>
> >Betty
>
>As a long-time "nomail subscriber" who has recently taken to lurking on
>this list quite a bit, I have to say that Betty has definitely got my
>number :-)
>
>Rita L.

Rita!  Where are you?  What are you doing?  Why don't you post?

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Natalie, you should call an electrician.  When we lived in Mogadore,
we had a major brownout one time and had to call an electrician.
Turned out we had a major short in the wiring and had to have the
house rewired.

Evelyn Duncan
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I'd already said (I think) that the outlets involved are in various
parts of the house -- not all in a clump.  I just turned on the lamp I
usually turn on in the den, and it was just a meager glow.  Then I
turned on one on the other side of that room, and it was fine.

But here's the additional info that may be significant.  These low
<beams> will suddenly brighten.  When that happens -- either brightening
or lessening -- I hear a click in the kitchen.  That may be the
refrigerator, though, which is clearly part of this situation.  Iow, the
click is not necessarily coming from the fuse box or circuit breaker,
which are not far from the refrigerator.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Try turning the fridge off via the controls in it, and then go see if the
> affected lights are at full strength or not. Don't forget to turn the fridge
> back on.

But the lights are sometimes at full strength.  They come and go.
Still, though, this is an interesting thought.  It would be fun to think
it was just a refrigerator, since, as we've discussed before,
refrigerator shopping is fun.

> Did you bring this fridge with you, was it in the house already, do you know
> its history, etc etc etc.

It was in the house already.  And I don't know its history.

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> How many of you "walked" to get your highest degrees?
>
> AS

I did. What a lousy ceremony that was. I didn't get to sit near any of my
friends, and the mayor yelled at the audience to shut up else she'd give her
"long" speech. 14 years ago, how time flies, etc.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Spencer spent last night alone, this being his third time to do that for
a night, and again seemed to do fine.  I don't know whether he barked in
the middle of the night or any other such bad behavior, but he seemed
overall to do fine.  I gave him a new cloth squeaky toy before leaving
yesterday morning, which probably put him in a good mood.  I'm thinking
about it right now because he's out in the backyard, just outside my
open window, having a wonderful game with that toy -- tossing it and
running for it, lying on his back with it above him and making it
squeak, etc. etc.  And he didn't overeat in my absence.  I piled tons of
dry food in bowls both inside and outside (since I might have died in a
carwreck, leaving him abandoned for who knows how long -- and the
inside/outside part is worry that the doggy-door may suddenly
malfunction), and even though he has been on a diet for months now, with
only a limited amount of food put into his bowl and with the bowl
usually being empty between those feedings, he did not pig out.
(Obviously I also leave enough water for fifty dogs to last a year when
I leave him.  Water is more critical than food.  But then when I return,
I spend ages emptying the zillions of extra water bowls.)
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02003-04-13 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > I'm out of this stupid thread.
>
> Is that a promise?

Now you have started a new thread!

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Something is amiss with my electricity.  Here's the situation:

I first noticed it mid-day today when I had two lightweight blankets in
the dryer.  The dryer went on and on and on and on, never moving toward
the "done" mark.  While it was doing all that going on and on, I noticed
at some point that the overhead light in my junk room, where I was
fooling with boxes of stuff I brought back from Hville, flickered and
grew dim.  In fact, now that I think about it, that was my first real
indication that something was amiss.  I had wondered about the dryer but
thought maybe it had a big job (though these blankets weren't a serious
strain -- they fit easily into it -- no big deal).  Anyway, when the
junk room light flickered and dimmed, I thought, "Oh shit.  I bet one or
more of its lightbulbs are going."  Minor shit, though, compared to the
continuation.  The dryer kept chugging and chugging along, making no
progress.  And then I went into the big bathroom and turned on the
light, and it suddenly dimmed severely.  Then I started noticing that
the refrigerator was cutting off and on way too often, and when I opened
its door, its light was way dim.  Meanwhile, though, other lights in
other rooms were totally normal.  So was the computer, which was sitting
here turned on during all of this.

The problem has continued.  I dried the blankets by draping them over
chairs on my decklet.  But the refrigerator is acting screwy, and the
bathroom light will suddenly dim down to almost nothing.  This is not a
<brownout> -- or at least I can't imagine why it would be.  This is not
the time of year when electricity shortages exist (and we've never had
brownouts here -- I've just read about them).  This is the time of year
when nobody needs either a/c or heat.  Electricity should be at very low
demand.  And, as I said, it's only certain fixtures in my house, not the
whole house.

So what is happening?  I did look at the fuse box and circuit breaker.
The labels on them did not suggest any connection among those various
dimming parts of the house.  (I didn't see one labeled "dryer," but I
did see the others.  They're at various places -- i.e., not sharing a
fuse or circuit-breaker thing.)
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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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You should move immediately and don't leave the dryer running when you are
not at home.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> Natalie, you should call an electrician.  When we lived in Mogadore,
> we had a major brownout one time and had to call an electrician.
> Turned out we had a major short in the wiring and had to have the
> house rewired.

Oh dear.  Should've sold this house and moved to Bay St. Louis.  (That
house I'm in love with in BSL is said to have been newly rewired.)

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You should call a qualified electrician immediately tomorrow morning and
have a complete inspection of the electrical service.  If only you had had
the house inspected before you bought it!

>You should move immediately and don't leave the dryer running when you are
>not at home.

    --bonniev

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Betty wrote:
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> You should move immediately and don't leave the dryer running when you are
> not at home.

But I can't move until the semester is over.  That's pretty soon, of
course, but then wouldn't I have to tell prospective buyers (or tell the
real estate agent since I wouldn't want to sell the house myself) about
the aberrant behavior of the electricity?

Re the dryer, I see no point in leaving it running at any time since it
wasn't doing any good.  I need a clothesline.

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Evelyn wrote:

> Natalie, you should call an electrician.

I agree 100%. This is not something to ponder or talk to Dan Camp about next
week. First thing tomorrow you should have an electrician over, even if that
means your students miss a class or two.

--Adam
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bonniev wrote:
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> You should call a qualified electrician immediately tomorrow morning and
> have a complete inspection of the electrical service.  If only you had had
> the house inspected before you bought it!

Indeed!  A house inspector could surely have had the precognitive powers
to say that two years down the road the electricity was going to act
funny.

Can't call an electrician immediately tomorrow morning.  Have
back-to-back classes.  Need also to check around to find out the latest
on who good electricians are these days.

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> But here's the additional info that may be significant.  These low
> <beams> will suddenly brighten.  When that happens -- either brightening
> or lessening -- I hear a click in the kitchen.  That may be the
> refrigerator, though, which is clearly part of this situation.  Iow, the
> click is not necessarily coming from the fuse box or circuit breaker,
> which are not far from the refrigerator.

It could be that your refrigerator compressor is dying, and that's why it's
cycling so much, and the strain of it trying to restart so often is what's
causing your lights to dim.

Try turning the fridge off via the controls in it, and then go see if the
affected lights are at full strength or not. Don't forget to turn the fridge
back on.

Did you bring this fridge with you, was it in the house already, do you know
its history, etc etc etc.

--Adam
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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> I agree 100%. This is not something to ponder or talk to Dan Camp about next
> week. First thing tomorrow you should have an electrician over, even if that
> means your students miss a class or two.

At this time in the semester, one does not cavalierly ignore classes.  I
will not do that.  The electrical situation can wait.  The refrigerator
is the only part of it that concerns me.  The dryer I can live without
(though it would be easier if I had a clothesline).  The low lights I
can also manage to live with.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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At 07:42 PM 4/13/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> >
> > Natalie, you should call an electrician.  When we lived in Mogadore,
> > we had a major brownout one time and had to call an electrician.
> > Turned out we had a major short in the wiring and had to have the
> > house rewired.
>
>Oh dear.  Should've sold this house and moved to Bay St. Louis.  (That
>house I'm in love with in BSL is said to have been newly rewired.)

You do need to get it checked.

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>The electrical situation can wait.  The refrigerator
>is the only part of it that concerns me.  The dryer I can live without
>(though it would be easier if I had a clothesline).  The low lights I
>can also manage to live with.    -- Natalie

You are missing the point.   The fact that the appliances and bulbs are
acting up like this is a symptom of something seriously wrong.  Very likely
you have a short some place that could cause a fire in the walls and burn
the house down.  It is not a matter of living without a dryer or living
with dim lights and a malfunctioning 'frig.  You need to find out what is
wrong or risk a serious fire.  Make sure your smoke alarms are working
before you go to bed tonight.


    --bonniev

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PS:  I'm not sure that I know how to turn a refrigerator off.  I guess I
could unplug it.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 08:47 PM 4/13/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > But here's the additional info that may be significant.  These low
> > <beams> will suddenly brighten.  When that happens -- either brightening
> > or lessening -- I hear a click in the kitchen.  That may be the
> > refrigerator, though, which is clearly part of this situation.  Iow, the
> > click is not necessarily coming from the fuse box or circuit breaker,
> > which are not far from the refrigerator.
>
>It could be that your refrigerator compressor is dying, and that's why it's
>cycling so much, and the strain of it trying to restart so often is what's
>causing your lights to dim.
>
>Try turning the fridge off via the controls in it, and then go see if the
>affected lights are at full strength or not. Don't forget to turn the fridge
>back on.
>
>Did you bring this fridge with you, was it in the house already, do you know
>its history, etc etc etc.

Do you have anything except lettuce in it?

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> But the lights are sometimes at full strength.  They come and go.

If they come and go synchronously with the cycling of the compressor, that's
something to call an appliance repairperson about. If not, that's something
to call an electrician about.

As per your comment about cavalierly ignoring classes, would it take your
house being on fire for you not to go to work? You could very well be having
severe wiring problems as Evelyn suggested. This isn't a minor problem,
Natalie.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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I already loved you, of course, but this is just another thank-you.  I
tried again unplugging the refrigerator, after observing the bathroom
light at major-dim, plus the den light -- and leaving those on.
Unplugging the refrigerator popped them both back to normalcy.  And the
refrigerator is drooling more and more.  So you have provided The
Answer.  I have no doubt.

Next question (and, btw, I see a bunch of new mail that I haven't read
yet in this thread):  Right now the refrigerator is plugged in again.
Should I perhaps just go on and unplug it -- leaving it unplugged?
Tomorrow is garbage day, so I could just toss all of its contents into a
garbage bag right now.  (Even if tomorrow weren't garbage day, I could
do that -- I often do between-days dumping on campus.)  The whole scene
makes me think I might as well say goodbye right now to the
refrigerator's contents.  That will make tomorrow morning's breakfast
problematic, but it may be problematic even if I leave the thing plugged
in since it is not acting in a very trustworthy manner.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> refrigerator is drooling more and more.  So you have provided The
> Answer.  I have no doubt.

It looks like you have tracked it down pretty quickly; but make sure you
don't ignore the possibility of faulty wiring. Soon after we moved into
our last house before this one, there was a sudden change in the lights
one day, and the dryer stopped. In a day or two I had to replace the dryer
motor. At the end of the week, my brother and his new wife were showering
together and suddenly the water went cold - the water heater was dead, and
had run out of water (big tank). Two weeks later, I opened our big
stand-alone freezer and everything was rotted. Turned out that the
connection from the pole to the box had a short; it was a miracle that the
house hadn't burned down, and there was a smoky charred patch to
underscore that fact.

It took losing all those appliances and a bunch of lightbulbs before I
caught on that it wasn't just a string of bad luck.


>
> Next question (and, btw, I see a bunch of new mail that I haven't read
> yet in this thread):  Right now the refrigerator is plugged in again.
> Should I perhaps just go on and unplug it -- leaving it unplugged?
> Tomorrow is garbage day, so I could just toss all of its contents into a
> garbage bag right now.  (Even if tomorrow weren't garbage day, I could
> do that -- I often do between-days dumping on campus.)  The whole scene
> makes me think I might as well say goodbye right now to the
> refrigerator's contents.  That will make tomorrow morning's breakfast
> problematic, but it may be problematic even if I leave the thing plugged
> in since it is not acting in a very trustworthy manner.
>

I would definitely unplug it. The brownout situation is hard on all your
other appliances, and will shorten their lives. IMHO, of course.


clo

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From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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If I were experiencing the electrical phenomena you have described, I
would call the utility co. immediately. There should be a 24-hour no.

Bethany

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On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> If I were experiencing the electrical phenomena you have described, I
> would call the utility co. immediately. There should be a 24-hour no.
>
> Bethany
>
Oh, yeah - ps, the utility company rep that repaired the wire said that,
since the fault was theirs, they would have replaced all the appliances
had I reported it right away (but of course, I didn't know everything
was dead right away. Live and learn).

Just don't ask them to check the wiring in the house - only up to the
house. If they check wiring that belongs to you, they charge.

clo

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        She's not listening.  Save your fingers.

Adam Hartfield wrote:

>>refrigerator is drooling more and more.  So you have provided The
>>Answer.  I have no doubt.
>>
>
> No, we don't know the answer yet. We don't know if your fridge is conking
> out, which is causing other electrical problems, or if unknown electrical
> problems are causing your fridge to conk out. CALL AN ELECTRICIAN TOMORROW
> MORNING. PICK ONE OUT OF THE PHONE BOOK.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com
>
>


--
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In a message dated 4/13/2003 5:24:57 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

<< I want you to know that I would never make fun of you or anyone
here.  I've been made fun of too many times to ever do that to
anyone.
 >>
Thank you Evelyn, but as I have told you before, no one but me decides when
to leave, and not before. I guess I haven't watched TV enough, because I
wasn't feeling too good, and didn't know that we had WON!
I saw it on <60 Minutes> today, and I still say: This ain't over YET.
But I'll probably won't be around long enough to suffer the consequences of
it.
Don't worry you all, mum's the word.
Note to Rita: Yes, I'm Dutch, and proud of it, but I don't lie. Just
predicting a future that you may, or may not agree with, is still a free
choice, isn't it? We'll see who gets the last laugh, if anyone. Who cares if
the rest of the world hates us? We'll go out as the biggest, most powerful
country in the whole world. Won't that be fun?
Theo

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On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

>Oh, yeah - ps, the utility company rep that repaired the wire said that,
>since the fault was theirs, they would have replaced all the appliances
>had I reported it right away (but of course, I didn't know everything
>was dead right away. Live and learn).
>
>Just don't ask them to check the wiring in the house - only up to the
>house. If they check wiring that belongs to you, they charge.

A small price to pay as opposed to burning to death!

Bethany

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> Make sure Spencer has a way out when you're at school, though.

Spencer's doggy-door is nowhere near the offending entities.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Make sure Spencer has a way out when you're at school, though.
>
> Yes, is there someone you can leave him with?

No.  One can't make a Furrbabies reservation this late.  But I am not
worried.  Even if the house caught on fire, I feel confident that
Spencer would be wise enough to head out the doggy-door in plenty of
time.  And I do not think the house is going to catch on fire.

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In a message dated 4/13/2003 7:00:03 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< What do non-Wordslers do about house emergencies?  How do they make it
in the world?  What did I do in the olden days?
 >>
We use our brain, Natalie. Do you really think that the rest of the world
that's not reading this list can't deal with something that isn't working up
to par?
Oh dear, I better get busy, and alert everyone. Should I include
non-Americans?
Naw... I guess not. OTOH, perhaps I could be of help to these lying dutchies,
huh?
Theo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
>
>>I agree 100%. This is not something to ponder or talk to Dan Camp about next
>>week. First thing tomorrow you should have an electrician over, even if that
>>means your students miss a class or two.
>>
>
> At this time in the semester, one does not cavalierly ignore classes.  I
> will not do that.  The electrical situation can wait.  The refrigerator
> is the only part of it that concerns me.  The dryer I can live without
> (though it would be easier if I had a clothesline).  The low lights I
> can also manage to live with.


        Unless the short causes a fire.  Then you won't have to live
with the lights or dryer!  That would be most excellent.
Make sure Spencer has a way out when you're at school, though.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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At 08:45 PM 4/13/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>Evelyn wrote:
>
> > Natalie, you should call an electrician.
>
>I agree 100%. This is not something to ponder or talk to Dan Camp about next
>week. First thing tomorrow you should have an electrician over, even if that
>means your students miss a class or two.

Call Dan tonight and tell him about the situation and see what he says.
Can't hurt.  Do you have smoke detectors?

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At 07:50 PM 4/13/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > I agree 100%. This is not something to ponder or talk to Dan Camp about
> next
> > week. First thing tomorrow you should have an electrician over, even if
> that
> > means your students miss a class or two.
>
>At this time in the semester, one does not cavalierly ignore classes.  I
>will not do that.  The electrical situation can wait.  The refrigerator
>is the only part of it that concerns me.  The dryer I can live without
>(though it would be easier if I had a clothesline).  The low lights I
>can also manage to live with.

Turn everything off. Unplug all electric stuff before you leave tomorrow.

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In a message dated 04/13/2003 7:57:00 PM Central Daylight Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<
        Unless the short causes a fire.  Then you won't have to live
with the lights or dryer!  That would be most excellent.
Make sure Spencer has a way out when you're at school, though.

>>

Yes, is there someone you can leave him with?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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YES!  I just unplugged the refrigerator, and the low light got brighter
(or I think it did).  What I know for absolute sure is that when I
plugged the refrigerator back in again, the light in the den went into
its major-dim move.  That was quite clear.  So I think all I need to do
is go refrigerator shopping.  Thank goodness I don't have the
refrigerator piled up with important party food or something right now.
I do have stuff in it that I would be minorly sad to lose, but not
majorly sad.  I also noticed when I opened the refrigerator door to see
whether there was an off/on switch (didn't see one), water sloshed out
from somewhere.

What do non-Wordslers do about house emergencies?  How do they make it
in the world?  What did I do in the olden days?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>What I know for absolute sure is that when I
>plugged the refrigerator back in again, the light in the den went into
>its major-dim move.  That was quite clear.  So I think all I need to do
>is go refrigerator shopping.   -- Natalie

You still don't know if it is the 'frig itself or a short in the electrical
line that feeds the 'frig.  And what about the dryer?


    --bonniev

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> >Make sure Spencer has a way out when you're at school, though.
>
>Yes, is there someone you can leave him with?
>Evelyn Duncan

He can safely huddle in the far corner of the back yard as the house burns
down tonight or tomorrow.   Worry about Natalie getting out of the house
tonight before she breathes in too much smoke.


    --bonniev

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At 07:59 PM 4/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>YES!  I just unplugged the refrigerator, and the low light got brighter
>(or I think it did).  What I know for absolute sure is that when I
>plugged the refrigerator back in again, the light in the den went into
>its major-dim move.  That was quite clear.  So I think all I need to do
>is go refrigerator shopping.  Thank goodness I don't have the
>refrigerator piled up with important party food or something right now.
>I do have stuff in it that I would be minorly sad to lose, but not
>majorly sad.  I also noticed when I opened the refrigerator door to see
>whether there was an off/on switch (didn't see one), water sloshed out
>from somewhere.
>
>What do non-Wordslers do about house emergencies?  How do they make it
>in the world?  What did I do in the olden days?

Do you have an ice chest?

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 4/13/2003 5:24:57 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:
>
> << I want you to know that I would never make fun of you or anyone
> here.  I've been made fun of too many times to ever do that to
> anyone.
>  >>
> Thank you Evelyn, but as I have told you before, no one but me decides when
> to leave, and not before. I guess I haven't watched TV enough, because I
> wasn't feeling too good, and didn't know that we had WON!
> I saw it on <60 Minutes> today, and I still say: This ain't over YET.
> But I'll probably won't be around long enough to suffer the consequences of
> it.
> Don't worry you all, mum's the word.
> Note to Rita: Yes, I'm Dutch, and proud of it, but I don't lie. Just
> predicting a future that you may, or may not agree with, is still a free
> choice, isn't it? We'll see who gets the last laugh, if anyone. Who cares if
> the rest of the world hates us? We'll go out as the biggest, most powerful
> country in the whole world. Won't that be fun?


        You said you'd quit talking about it.  You're a big liar.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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In a message dated 4/13/2003 5:27:25 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<< Agreed 100%. Sometimes I think we are the only two here with
bullshit-detecting degrees.
 >>
But hey, we're not supposed to be better than ANY American, don't you know?
I'm not sure how you're defined, but I'm just a <lying dutchie> according to
Rita.
And this coming from a population that swears they never discriminate against
ANYONE! Dream on, Theo.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 4/13/2003 5:27:25 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> << Agreed 100%. Sometimes I think we are the only two here with
> bullshit-detecting degrees.
>  >>
> But hey, we're not supposed to be better than ANY American, don't you know?
> I'm not sure how you're defined, but I'm just a <lying dutchie> according to
> Rita.
> And this coming from a population that swears they never discriminate against
> ANYONE! Dream on, Theo.


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In a message dated 4/13/2003 6:26:56 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<< > Is that a promise?

Now you have started a new thread!
 >>

LOL, Theo
PS to Tushar: ain't those Americans gullible?

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bonniev wrote:

> You are missing the point.   The fact that the appliances and bulbs are
> acting up like this is a symptom of something seriously wrong.

A refrigerator in its death-throes.  It is now unplugged and partially
emptied.  I decided that was the wise thing to do.  I'll worry tomorrow
about some of the borderline stuff in it, like mayonaisse and mustard
and jelly and stuff.  The serious stuff is all in the garbage now,
except for a tiny ice-chest with the tiny bit of ice I had and with a
glass of orange juice, a glass of milk and several sticks of frozen
butter.

>   Make sure your smoke alarms are working
> before you go to bed tonight.

I don't have smoke alarms, but this is open-window time of year.
Spencer and I simply hop out of the window when the house starts
blazing.  But the offending refrigerator is now unplugged, so all should
be fine.

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> refrigerator is drooling more and more.  So you have provided The
> Answer.  I have no doubt.

No, we don't know the answer yet. We don't know if your fridge is conking
out, which is causing other electrical problems, or if unknown electrical
problems are causing your fridge to conk out. CALL AN ELECTRICIAN TOMORROW
MORNING. PICK ONE OUT OF THE PHONE BOOK.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> If they come and go synchronously with the cycling of the compressor, that's
> something to call an appliance repairperson about.

I don't know exactly what the compressor situation is, but I do know
that unplugging the refrigerator made the dim lights glow normally and
that plugging in the refrigerator made them dim again.  The thought of
an appliance repairperson had not occurred to me.  I don't know who such
people are.  I assumed dead refrigerator to be buried by the people who
bring the new one and haul off the old one.  I will deal with that
tomorrow afternoon.

> As per your comment about cavalierly ignoring classes, would it take your
> house being on fire for you not to go to work?

Yes.  I do not miss work for just any old reason.  In fact, I've never
missed work in almost forty years of working except when built into the
syllabus on day one -- like going to a professional meeting.

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bonniev wrote:

> You still don't know if it is the 'frig itself or a short in the electrical
> line that feeds the 'frig.  And what about the dryer?

Don't know about the dryer.  Don't have any clothes that need drying
now.

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Betty wrote:

> Call Dan tonight and tell him about the situation and see what he says.
> Can't hurt.

I do think I may be mutant.  I can't imagine disturbing somebody with a
phone call on a Sunday night on a subject like this.

> Do you have smoke detectors?

No.  But my bed is near a window.  And Spencer is a smart dog who would
head out in time.

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bonniev wrote:

> He can safely huddle in the far corner of the back yard as the house burns
> down tonight or tomorrow.   Worry about Natalie getting out of the house
> tonight before she breathes in too much smoke.

That's why one should smoke -- it conditions the lungs for such an
occasion.

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Betty wrote:

> Do you have anything except lettuce in it?

In the bottom bin are lettuce, broccoli, carrots, asparagus, onion,
garlic.  In the upper regions are a thousand things in the little side
shelves -- trying to think of what all they are is way too much trouble
-- mayonnaise, mustard, jelly, cocoa powder, and zillions of other
things.  On the shelves in that mid region are or were cheese, eggs,
champagne, other white wine, yogurt, leftover olives (that I'd been
meaning to toss anyway), soy slices, and other things I'm forgetting.
In the freezer were (and it's totally empty now) orange roughy, Mrs.
Paul's crab globs, macaronni and cheese, cheese cannelloni, pizza, and
probably some other things I'm forgetting.

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--On Sunday, April 13, 2003, 3:21 PM -0500 Rita Chapman
<rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> wrote:
>
>         I'll walk for Ana.
>
>
I'll walk for my kids next May.  I will finish in Aug and they'll send my
diploma, but I'll walk anyway.

Terry

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Betty wrote:

> Do you have an ice chest?

I have a bunch of them, including a big one I won in a bicycle race many
years ago.  But I have very little ice and am not motivated enough by
the thought of what is/was  in my refrigerator to try to trek through my
storage building (which is way too crammed) in search of a big ice chest
and then head out in my car to a store that sells ice.  I'm feeling
quite content with what I've done.  I will have cold or at least cool
orange juice, enough milk for my cereal, and by the next time I need
food I will presumably have a new refrigeratore.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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In a message dated 4/13/2003 7:31:31 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<< You said you'd quit talking about it.  You're a big liar.
 >>
You aren't worth a reply, so I'll ignore you.
Theo

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At 10:05 PM 4/13/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>--On Sunday, April 13, 2003, 3:21 PM -0500 Rita Chapman
><rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> wrote:
> >
> >         I'll walk for Ana.
> >
> >
>I'll walk for my kids next May.  I will finish in Aug and they'll send my
>diploma, but I'll walk anyway.

Congratulations, Terry!

Betty

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>
> So what is happening?  I did look at the fuse box and circuit breaker.
> The labels on them did not suggest any connection among those various
> dimming parts of the house.  (I didn't see one labeled "dryer," but I
> did see the others.  They're at various places -- i.e., not sharing a
> fuse or circuit-breaker thing.)
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

 Er, ah, did you at any time feel  a cold
draft in the room, like chilling you to the bone?
Have you looked outside?  Is there a circle in
the grass in your yard?  Any strange lights on
the horizon?

Just asking.

                        - D. M.

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In a message dated 04/13/2003 9:04:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
Even if the house caught on fire, I feel confident that
Spencer would be wise enough to head out the doggy-door in plenty of
time.
>>

Can you be sure?  Sometimes they head for a closet or under a bed.
Sweetie always goes under Mom's bed when she's scared.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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At 09:08 PM 4/13/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Do you have an ice chest?
>
>I have a bunch of them, including a big one I won in a bicycle race many
>years ago.  But I have very little ice and am not motivated enough by
>the thought of what is/was  in my refrigerator to try to trek through my
>storage building (which is way too crammed) in search of a big ice chest
>and then head out in my car to a store that sells ice.  I'm feeling
>quite content with what I've done.  I will have cold or at least cool
>orange juice, enough milk for my cereal, and by the next time I need
>food I will presumably have a new refrigeratore.

You're all set then!  Good job.

Will you just buy any old refrigerator that is on sale or will you do a
search and see what is recommended?  Look for an energy efficient one.

Betty

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Make sure Spencer has a way out when you're at school, though.
>
> Yes, is there someone you can leave him with?

No.  One can't make a Furrbabies reservation this late.  But I am not
worried.  Even if the house caught on fire, I feel confident that
Spencer would be wise enough to head out the doggy-door in plenty of
time.  And I do not think the house is going to catch on fire.

--
 --X-Mozilla-Status: 0009or.net)
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Your post is a fine read on a Sunday evening. Thanks for this, Clyde.

Sandra

-----Original Message-----

mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU]On Behalf Of clyde w. voigtlander

Perhaps spring is truly on the way.

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I just did a vanity search through the archives and was touched to see so
many birthday wishes. Thanks to everyone.

I am saddened to read about your illness, Alyce. That book on type you sold
me several years ago is visible on one of the bookcases in the computer
room and I think of you every time I see it. Your memory will doubtless
live on in the minds of hundreds of people for the same reason. You have
done a good thing making so many interesting and unique books available to
people over the years.

I haven't been on the list for several months now, but I poke my head in
from time to time, and I think about you folks often. It's reassuring to
know in this changeable world that there are some constants like Words-L.

-aht

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17:54 11.04.2003 -0400 skrev clyde w. voigtlander:
>At 03:22 PM 4/11/2003 -0500, Tom Lee wrote:
>>       The fact remains that the oil under the sand is the only reason
>>why the Bush administration cares about that part of the world enough to
>>send troops into combat.  If they're so all-fired determined to bring
>>democracy to the world, let's see if they go after the world's other
>>oppressive regimes.  But they're not going to do it.  Libya, Burma,
>>Turkmenistan, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, China --
>
>Indeed.  Anyone who argues that it is not, in large part, about oil needs
>to see their ophthamologist quickly---terminal myopia might be
>dangerous.  But I think that there is more to it than that.  After 9/11,
>which Dubya took personally (and what POTUS would not?), he needed a
>victory---and Saddam with his crazed notion of supreme power and reduced
>army (relative to Gulf Storm days) was the obvious target.
>
>So now, we have guerrilla resistance in Iraq (anybody surprised about
>that?); nearly total breakdown of law and order as well; and a coming
>brou-ha-ha between the Kurds and the Turks, with the USA in the
>middle.  So, unless the USA. and GB can sucker the UN into becoming the
>policemen, we are in it for the long haul, with accumulating casualities
>and no longer any glorious victories.  Sound familiar, anyone?

We should not forget that things are far from peaceful in Afganistan, also. BTW - wasn't there where Dr. Watson was wounded?

Espen

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> If I were experiencing the electrical phenomena you have described, I
> would call the utility co. immediately. There should be a 24-hour no.

Utility companies deal with wires and stuff on the outside.  My problems
are inside the house.  Note the plural.  After turning off the computer
last night, I noticed that I have no hot water.  That's the biggest
problem of all.  If this were winter, it would be worse, but even in
this pleasant kind of weather, I am NOT looking forward to my upcoming
very cold shower.  Washing hair in cold water is the worst.  But I will
<grimace and bear it>.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

>  CALL AN ELECTRICIAN TOMORROW
> MORNING. PICK ONE OUT OF THE PHONE BOOK.

I will.  I will study the yellow pages and will call somebody as soon as
I get out of my classes.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

>  Turned out that the
> connection from the pole to the box had a short;

Interesting -- that sounds like something that would be in the realm of
the electric company.  But did some of your stuff work normally during
that time?  Sounds to me like a problem like yours would have affected
everything, not just some things.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> Oh, yeah - ps, the utility company rep that repaired the wire said that,
> since the fault was theirs, they would have replaced all the appliances
> had I reported it right away (but of course, I didn't know everything
> was dead right away. Live and learn).
>
> Just don't ask them to check the wiring in the house - only up to the
> house. If they check wiring that belongs to you, they charge.

I wouldn't have thought they would check anything inside the house.  But
this all is making me think about the fact that the electric wires
coming to my house were moved not long ago (remember my pictures of the
pole-diggers etc?).  Their attachment to my house wasn't moved.  It's
the pole end that was moved.  Wonder if they screwed up somehow.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         She's not listening.  Save your fingers.

?  I have been very much listening.  Have learned an enormous amount of
Electricity For the Practical Woman.

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Did I mention the twins were born over the weekend?  The
cousin roster now includes Megan and Peter.   They both look
a lot like their big brother, Jimmy.  Kinda weird to think
of my little brother as a father of three.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/13/2003 7:00:03 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
> << What do non-Wordslers do about house emergencies?  How do they make it
> in the world?  What did I do in the olden days?
>  >>
> We use our brain, Natalie. Do you really think that the rest of the world
> that's not reading this list can't deal with something that isn't working up
> to par?

Indeed I do.  I pity the poor non-Wordslers world-wide.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
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> In a message dated 4/13/2003 7:31:31 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> << You said you'd quit talking about it.  You're a big liar.
>  >>
> You aren't worth a reply, so I'll ignore you.

Uh huh.

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Doris Markland wrote:

>  Er, ah, did you at any time feel  a cold
> draft in the room, like chilling you to the bone?
> Have you looked outside?  Is there a circle in
> the grass in your yard?  Any strange lights on
> the horizon?

THANKS!  You have hit upon it, I think.  I had totally forgotten about
the ghost since he's been non-noticeable for a long time now.  I bet
he's been holed up somewhere building up energy to make his presence
known in a dramatic way.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> <<
> Even if the house caught on fire, I feel confident that
> Spencer would be wise enough to head out the doggy-door in plenty of
> time.
> >>
>
> Can you be sure?  Sometimes they head for a closet or under a bed.
> Sweetie always goes under Mom's bed when she's scared.

Bernard was that kind of dog, but Spencer isn't.  Spencer faces danger,
assesses it, outmaneuvers it.

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Betty wrote:

> You're all set then!  Good job.

The o.j. tasted warmish.  I hope the milk is cold enough to make the
cereal happy.  Will try it soon.

> Will you just buy any old refrigerator that is on sale or will you do a
> search and see what is recommended?  Look for an energy efficient one.

Now that the plot has thickened, I will of course not go refrigerator
shopping right off the bat.  But if I do buy a refrigerator, I will
examine the ones available and choose among them -- probably using my
usual method in such kinds of shopping of buying whichever one is the
cheapest since I have no <fancy> needs.  There won't be many choices.
This is a small town.  I think we're now down to just one store that
sells appliances of that kind, a store that is mainly a furniture store
but has a few stoves, refrigerators, etc.

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Anne Toal wrote:

> I haven't been on the list for several months now, but I poke my head in
> from time to time, and I think about you folks often. It's reassuring to
> know in this changeable world that there are some constants like Words-L.

I feel happy to know that you at least poke your head in.  I wish you'd
let it stay in.  I wish Rita Leonard would speak up more often also.  I
was happy to see her unlurk briefly yesterday.

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        Exactly.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        She's not listening.  Save your fingers.
>>
>
> ?  I have been very much listening.  Have learned an enormous amount of
> Electricity For the Practical Woman.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>
>   What can I do to make
> >them bloom?
>
> PRUNE PRUNE PRUNE. And feed them.

"Fee-e-ed me-e! Fee-e-ed me-e-e-e..."

Kr.

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Natalie Maynor:
= "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
= >
= > If I were experiencing the electrical phenomena you have described, I
= > would call the utility co. immediately. There should be a 24-hour no.
=
= Utility companies deal with wires and stuff on the outside.  My problems
= are inside the house.  Note the plural.  After turning off the computer
= last night, I noticed that I have no hot water.  That's the biggest
= problem of all.  If this were winter, it would be worse, but even in
= this pleasant kind of weather, I am NOT looking forward to my upcoming
= very cold shower.  Washing hair in cold water is the worst.  But I will
= <grimace and bear it>.

I hope you turned off the power before you went to class.  I hope
the whole house hasn't burned to the ground.  I hope you're
reading this at work!

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Rita Chapman:
= Did I mention the twins were born over the weekend?  The
= cousin roster now includes Megan and Peter.   They both look
= a lot like their big brother, Jimmy.  Kinda weird to think
= of my little brother as a father of three.
=

Did you even mention your SIL was pregnant (and no, you didn't
mention the twins).

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whimsy wrote:

> I hope you turned off the power before you went to class.  I hope
> the whole house hasn't burned to the ground.  I hope you're
> reading this at work!

Yes, I'm at work.  I'm not sure what you mean by turning off the power
-- pulling out all the fuses and turning off all the circuit breakers?
No, I didn't do that.

Suddenly I can't remember what I put against the refrigerator door to
hold it open when I moved the bag of garbage from there to put outside.
I remember planning on moving the yellow stool there but can't remember
whether I did.  Oh well.  It will be only minorly stinky if it has
closed itself -- not majorly stinky in just one day.

I do hope this problem is solved quickly.  I did not enjoy sticking my
head under ice-cold water this morning.  I don't know why my house has
an electric hot-water tank.  Sure wish it didn't.

--
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whimsy wrote:

> Did you even mention your SIL was pregnant (and no, you didn't
> mention the twins).

Yes, I think she did.  I still remember Rita's first auntness -- how
excited she was about that first niece.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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...when you rummage through your closet.  Looking for a short-sleeved
t-shirt (yeah, I'm pretty much convinced that spring is here), I chanced
upon my old Syracuse shirt.  It first belonged to Tom White, who used to
run the rowing association boathouse in Oak Ridge; it was given to him by
Bill Sanford during one of the Syracuse spring training sessions in OR.

It is a rugby style, I guess---three-button placket front, collar.  Blue
with the Syracuse orange stripe set off by white and an SU logo in orange
and white.  It fits well (let's say I've "grown into it") except that the
sleeves must have been made for a lar gibbon (or a varsity rower).  It's a
bit late for the championship celebration, but I'll wear it today as I
wander through the stores of Ellsworth, looking for interesting things to eat.

cwv

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No, it only affected the appliances that are the most susceptible
to a disturbance in the supply of electricity - some in small ways,
others by killing them.

Yes, it was in the purview of the utility company. As I said,
if I had known to call them right away, they would have paid
to have the burnt-out appliances replaced. That's why it's a
good idea to get them to check the outside line as well
as having an electrician verify the inside wiring.
clo

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> >  Turned out that the
> > connection from the pole to the box had a short;
>
> Interesting -- that sounds like something that would be in the realm of
> the electric company.  But did some of your stuff work normally during
> that time?  Sounds to me like a problem like yours would have affected
> everything, not just some things.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > Oh, yeah - ps, the utility company rep that repaired the wire said that,
> > since the fault was theirs, they would have replaced all the appliances
> > had I reported it right away (but of course, I didn't know everything
> > was dead right away. Live and learn).
> >
> > Just don't ask them to check the wiring in the house - only up to the
> > house. If they check wiring that belongs to you, they charge.
>
> I wouldn't have thought they would check anything inside the house.

Around here, the utilities used to take care of some kinds of wiring inside
as well as outside the house. After deregulation, they made a demarcation
between the wiring they owned, and would service regularly (up to the
meter) and wiring they would service for a humongous fee (e.g. from the
meter to the fusebox/circuit breaker board). Same with the phone company.


> But
> this all is making me think about the fact that the electric wires
> coming to my house were moved not long ago (remember my pictures of the
> pole-diggers etc?).  Their attachment to my house wasn't moved.  It's
> the pole end that was moved.  Wonder if they screwed up somehow.

I wasn't on Words-l then, I think. It seems at least worth checking out.
It's not necessarily a screw-up on their end, even - sometimes unexpected
things happen.

clo

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> Did I mention the twins were born over the weekend?  The
> cousin roster now includes Megan and Peter.   They both look
> a lot like their big brother, Jimmy.  Kinda weird to think
> of my little brother as a father of three.
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita

Congrats! My mother is still going through sibling issues
with her big sister, who wants to give her advice all the time.
Hope I don't do that to my little sister.
clo

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On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Utility companies deal with wires and stuff on the outside.  My problems
>are inside the house.  Note the plural.  After turning off the computer

That is not true anywhere I have lived, certainly not in Knoxville.

Bethany

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> It is a rugby style, I guess---three-button placket front, collar.  Blue
> with the Syracuse orange stripe set off by white and an SU logo in orange
> and white.  It fits well (let's say I've "grown into it") except that the
> sleeves must have been made for a lar gibbon (or a varsity rower).  It's a
> bit late for the championship celebration, but I'll wear it today as I
> wander through the stores of Ellsworth, looking for interesting things to eat.
>
> cwv


It's never too late to celebrate.  The city has been getting all the mileage they can out of
this.  There was an event at the dome on Thursday that drew 20,000 or so people and a
parade on Saturday that did roughly the same. I hear that Carmello Anthonay has been
invited to ring the opening bell at the NYSE this morning. I'm sure you look good in
orange Clyde


BrP

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> > It is a rugby style, I guess---three-button placket front, collar.  Blue
> > with the Syracuse orange stripe set off by white and an SU logo in orange
> > and white.  It fits well (let's say I've "grown into it") except that the
> > sleeves must have been made for a lar gibbon (or a varsity rower).  It's a
> > bit late for the championship celebration, but I'll wear it today as I
> > wander through the stores of Ellsworth, looking for interesting things to eat.
> >
> > cwv
>
> It's never too late to celebrate.  The city has been getting all the mileage they can out of
> this.  There was an event at the dome on Thursday that drew 20,000 or so people and a
> parade on Saturday that did roughly the same. I hear that Carmello Anthonay has been
> invited to ring the opening bell at the NYSE this morning. I'm sure you look good in
> orange Clyde
>
> BrP

V says that Jim Boeheim is going to appear on Letterman.
clo

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espen:
>We should not forget that things are far
>from peaceful in Afganistan, also.

And Africa we will always have with us,
or so it sometimes seems.

Of course, we're not directly involved
there, and, well...

>BTW - wasn't there where Dr. Watson
>was wounded?

"How on earth did you know that???"

--
Richard                  [he] saw an ass

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> forgotten the ghost since he's been non-noticeable

There may be a connection here: Berniece
the Ghost lived in my refrigerator when
I was in g-skul.

The refrigerator always worked fine, though.

--
Richard                  [he] saw an ass

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>
> It's never too late to celebrate.  The city has been getting all the mileage they can out of
> this.  There was an event at the dome on Thursday that drew 20,000 or so people and a

> parade on Saturday that did roughly the same. I hear that Carmello
>Anthonay has been

YIKES!  How did that extra "a" get in there????



> invited to ring the opening bell at the NYSE this morning. I'm sure you look good in
> orange Clyde
>
>
> BrP

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty
>Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 8:18 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Boy, can he pick 'em!
>
>
>While in Reno a month ago Larry chose the winner of the
>Master's Tournament
>and bet $5 at 15 to 1.
>
>Go, Canada!
>
>Betty
>

Does he have to go to Reno to collect?


alec

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Anne Toal wrote:
> I am saddened to read about your illness, Alyce.

Thanks.

> That book on type you sold
> me several years ago is visible on one of the bookcases in the computer
> room and I think of you every time I see it.

8-}

alyce

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------- Forwarded message follows -------
Date sent:              Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:28:57 +0100 (BST)
From:                   P Boylan <P.Boylan@city.ac.uk>
Subject:                NATIONAL LIBRARY, BAGHDAD

The 11am BST (10 am GMT) BBC TV News reports that the National
Library is on fire.  A three or four second film of a burning
building was shown, but there are no more details, as they have cut
to a live news conference by the British Defence Secretary.

alyce
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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Did I mention the twins were born over the weekend?

Twins are a Good Thing. Congratulations to all concerned.

alyce

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>Larry chose the winner of the Master's Tournament

Well played, sir!  What make him pick that guy?

>Go, Canada!

Yabbut Weir lives in Utah.  Wonder why?

He went to BYU, so he could be a LDS, but still.

"jeez, it's like somebody hung out a sign
 saying give me your tired, your poor..."

--
Richard                  [he] saw an ass

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At 05:51 AM 4/14/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Did I mention the twins were born over the weekend?  The
>cousin roster now includes Megan and Peter.   They both look
>a lot like their big brother, Jimmy.  Kinda weird to think
>of my little brother as a father of three.

Congrats! First Espen now you. Twins all over.  Two sets born to people at
work here, too.

Betty

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> Did I mention the twins were born over the weekend?  The
> cousin roster now includes Megan and Peter.

congrats!

> They both look
> a lot like their big brother, Jimmy.

:-) But -- what is there to laugh at: sometimes maybe one can tell so
early. (I do not remember any more, it was such a long time ago when I
saw newborn babies.)

Kristin

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Espen is always well informed...or he uses Google, just like I've just
done, since I didn't really know who Pasquale Massacra was, even if I know
for sure where that road lies.
If you want to know a little more here's
http://www.chieracostui.com/costui/docs/search/schedaoltre.asp?ID=1543
but it's in Italian.

As a matter of fact, it was me, Lucia, who wrote, not Max; besides he's
from Turin, not Pavia.

Kizzez
L.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Congrats! My mother is still going through sibling issues
> with her big sister, who wants to give her advice all the time.

My big sister has kept herself back from doing so. Yet, she sometimes
can see something more keenly in my children than I can. It has been
revealing when she has said such things about them.

Kristin

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Twins are a Good Thing. Congratulations to all concerned.

Who else should know it better than you!

Still, are there other wordslers with twins in their families? I cannot
remember at the moment. Perhaps, Rita, you have written about twin
cousins earlier, have you not?

Kristin

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alyce cresap wrote:

> 8-}

I like your smile :) I wonder whether it is something like that Bonnie(?)
lately said: that people do not change but only become more so.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Still, are there other wordslers with twins in their families?

Oh, yes, Espen, as Betty just reminded.

Kr.

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> alyce cresap wrote:
>
> > Twins are a Good Thing. Congratulations to all concerned.
>
> Who else should know it better than you!
>
> Still, are there other wordslers with twins in their families? I
cannot
> remember at the moment. Perhaps, Rita, you have written about twin
> cousins earlier, have you not?
>
> Kristin

My brother had twins.

     - D. M.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
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> Kristin Sarv wrote:
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> > Still, are there other wordslers with twins in their families?
>
> Oh, yes, Espen, as Betty just reminded.

Four in total? Karen, Rita, Espen, Alyce. Are there more?

alyce

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alyce cresap wrote:

> > > Still, are there other wordslers with twins in their families?
>
> Four in total? Karen, Rita, Espen, Alyce. Are there more?

+ Doris, as she just said.

Lately Karen and other people with her have had so much talk of their
evil twins that I cannot remember any more who were the real twins :)

Kristin

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I went hiking with some friends. One of the wives was a know-it-all type and
*corrected* the parents of 3 yr-old  boy/girl twins that twins from
different eggs are paternal, not fraternal :P  She said this in all
seriousness.

Sandra

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Rita Chapman wrote:
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> Did I mention the twins were born over the weekend?

Twins are a Good Thing. Congratulations to all concerned.

alyce

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In a message dated 04/14/2003 6:04:25 AM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
But if I do buy a refrigerator, I will
examine the ones available and choose among them -- probably using my
usual method in such kinds of shopping of buying whichever one is the
cheapest since I have no <fancy> needs.
>>

Just make sure that the freezer is frost-free.
Some of the cheapest ones have a manual-defrost freezer.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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I remember when Romania got rid of Ceausescu feeling outrage that they burned the
university Library.  When I was in Bucharest in 1992, I learned that beneath the library
had been the underground headquarters of the secret police.  I was still outraged that
all the books burned, but I understood a little better why it happened.  I have no idea if
an equivalent thing is going on in Baghdad, but I'm a little more cautious about jumping
to conclusions that I would have been before.

On the news on Sunday they showed the director of the national Museum standing
among the shattered and empty cases that had contained priceless antiquities
screaming at the looters powerless to do anything else.  It broke my heart.

BrP





BrP

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At 09:54 AM 04/14/2003 -0500, no straight, chaser wrote:

>>Larry chose the winner of the Master's Tournament
>
>Well played, sir!  What make him pick that guy?

Thanks but it was fortunate circumstances that led to that pick. I knew
Wier was playing really well and the casino had him listed at 40:1. At
those odds, I figured he was worth a shot. When I made the actual bet, the
odds had dropped but I decided he was still a good bet and took it.

Larry

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Sky "Larry" Masterson:
>When I made the actual bet, the odds had dropped

Clearly the Wise Guys with the Smart Money
saw you studying on it and queered the price.

--
Lessner N. Burrows

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At 07:16 PM 4/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Adam, have you listened to her?  I just read in the paper about her album.
>They gave it an okay write up.
>
>Betty

The song they're playing on the radio is okay. It's catchy. I've found
myself singing or humming it after hearing it.

One thing I've noticed is the background singer isn't really in the
background. His voice is strong and it makes me wonder whether he's
covering up her voice.

lisa

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At 10:23 AM 4/11/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>= soldiers you told us about, Doris.  But then it was only a week into the
>>= war when one of those professional soldiers dramatically fragged his
>>superior.
>>=     --bonniev
>>
>>Now now.  I would say that some of those stories about
>>unprofessional soldiers were really about soldiers acting
>>unprofessionally.  But this guy just went postal.  There's a
>>difference between immature and nutso.
>
>He should have been weeded out in boot camp.
>
>
>    --bonniev

When this initially happened it was reported that the guy was "under
observation" because it was no secret he was unhappy about the war.

What I didn't understand was, why did they even let him go over there? If
they were worried about him they should have re-assigned him. Did they
really need him there? Instead of doing without one man, they're now doing
without 2 men who lost their lives, 12 who were injured and 1 who's been
court martialed.

lisa

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This is a very  quick report to keep y'all from worrying about
Spencer thrashing about in the leaping flames.  When I called an
electrical company, the man on the phone said when I told him that
people were saying that my house was going to burn down that he
really didn't think that was likely.  Anyway, a nice man met me
there at 10:30, took off some panels or whatever in the fuse box,
and pulled out a big fuse -- not those little round ones that are
visible to mere mortals and that I had looked at last night -- a
cylindrical thing that looks sort of like a cross between a firecracker
and a battery.  He replaced it and all is well.  He said something
about some 30-amp things using that fuse and that perhaps they were
weakened and that fuses might blow -- or something like that -- but
that that might not happen -- that if lots of fuses start regularly
blowing I might want to have the panel replaced with circuit breakers
-- or something like that -- but that there was no need to do it
unless blowing-fuses became a regular thing.
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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>I'm sure you look good in orange Clyde
>BrP

Thank goodness, the shirt is predominantly blue.


    --bonniev

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>alyce cresap wrote:
> > 8-}
>
>I like your smile :) I wonder whether it is something like that Bonnie(?)
>lately said: that people do not change but only become more so.
>Kristin

Yes, that was my line.  But I stole it from Clyde who surely stole it from
someone else.


    --bonniev

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>Four in total? Karen, Rita, Espen, Alyce. Are there more?
>alyce

Clyde has twin daughters and he himself was a twin but his twin didn't make
it to birth.


    --bonniev

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*Daily Telegraph* 4/14/03:

"A mile away, Iraq's National Library has also been  burnt
and pillaged, completing the destruction of the country's
incomparable heritage.  When the Mongols conquered Baghdad
in 1258,  they sacked the city and destroyed its library.
This time, Iraqis have chosen to ransack their own capital
and the legacy of their own past."

Full text:

http://www.dailytelegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/04/14/wmus14.
xml&sSheet=/news/2003/04/14/ixnewstop.html

and here:

*Sydney Morning Herald* 4/14/03:

"The lawlessness continued today as Iraq's National Library,
which houses a number of rare volumes, was in flames after
being ransacked."

Text:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/14/1050172512040.html

alyce
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At 10:44 AM 4/14/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: English Language Discussion Group
> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty
> >Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 8:18 PM
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> >Subject: Boy, can he pick 'em!
> >
> >
> >While in Reno a month ago Larry chose the winner of the
> >Master's Tournament
> >and bet $5 at 15 to 1.
> >
> >Go, Canada!
> >
> >Betty
> >
>
>Does he have to go to Reno to collect?

No, he can mail it in.

BB

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On Sunday, April 13, 2003 at 19:39, Betty wrote:

> Will you just buy any old refrigerator that is on sale or will you do a
> search and see what is recommended?  Look for an energy efficient one.

Energy efficient appliances are not patriotic! What are you - some
sort of commie, uh, I mean Saddam apologist?

Tony H.

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> On Sunday, April 13, 2003 at 19:39, Betty wrote:
>
> > Will you just buy any old refrigerator that is on sale or will you do a
> > search and see what is recommended?  Look for an energy efficient one.
>
> Energy efficient appliances are not patriotic! What are you - some
> sort of commie, uh, I mean Saddam apologist?
>
> Tony H.

Saddam is past tense.  The Great American Attention Span has moved on.  The
new baddies on the horizon are either Syria or North Korea.


BrP

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>-----Original Message-----
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>
>
>> On Sunday, April 13, 2003 at 19:39, Betty wrote:
>>
>> > Will you just buy any old refrigerator that is on sale or
>will you do a
>> > search and see what is recommended?  Look for an energy
>efficient one.
>>
>> Energy efficient appliances are not patriotic! What are you - some
>> sort of commie, uh, I mean Saddam apologist?
>>
>> Tony H.
>
>Saddam is past tense.  The Great American Attention Span has
>moved on.  The
>new baddies on the horizon are either Syria or North Korea.
>
>
>BrP
>

Right, Israel needs more land. They can help us crush Syria.


alec

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At 01:58 PM 4/14/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>Saddam is past tense.  The Great American Attention Span has moved on.  The
>new baddies on the horizon are either Syria or North Korea.

I doubt that it will be North Korea---they not only have or are developing
WOMD, they have admitted it and further, told us to stuff it.  I figure it
will be either Syria or Lichtenstein.

cwv

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There is a website:

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

devoted to the quotes of M.S. as-Sahaf, the Iraqi Information Minister. My
favorite, and perhaps the only true thing he said, was:

"I speak better English than this villain Bush."

cwv

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> >
> Saddam is past tense.  The Great American Attention Span has moved on.  The
> new baddies on the horizon are either Syria or North Korea.

It's Syria. Although North Korea is without doubt of more immediate
danger. Mr. Bush has already said today that Syria has WMD, that it is
promoting terrorism, and that it is harboring Iraqi people of
importance. I am sure it will be only a matter of days before we learn
that 911 was perpetrated by Syrians. Anyway, it saves money to attack
Syria because we have troops in the vicinity. Then Iran, and then maybe
Saudi Arabia. Or else North Korea in the fall.

alyce

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From: Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
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        I really like the BBQ apron that quotes as-Sahaf as saying "God
will roast their stomachs in Hell!"  If that doesn't say "PH34R MY BBQ
SK1LZ!" I don't know what does.

--
Take care,
Tom Lee (flint@kiva.net)
Who doesn't actually BBQ

On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

cwv> There is a website:
cwv>
cwv> http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/
cwv>
cwv> devoted to the quotes of M.S. as-Sahaf, the Iraqi Information Minister. My
cwv> favorite, and perhaps the only true thing he said, was:
cwv>
cwv> "I speak better English than this villain Bush."

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> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> > >
> > Saddam is past tense.  The Great American Attention Span has moved on.  The
> > new baddies on the horizon are either Syria or North Korea.
>
> It's Syria. Although North Korea is without doubt of more immediate
> danger. Mr. Bush has already said today that Syria has WMD, that it is
> promoting terrorism, and that it is harboring Iraqi people of
> importance. I am sure it will be only a matter of days before we learn
> that 911 was perpetrated by Syrians. Anyway, it saves money to attack
> Syria because we have troops in the vicinity. Then Iran, and then maybe
> Saudi Arabia. Or else North Korea in the fall.
>
> alyce

Well we do have all the <hardware> already in the <neighborhood>.  Smart bombs
and other other high tech toys aren't much help if we're just gonna be a police force
so we need something close by and it's either Syria or Iran.  I suppose we could go
after the Turks ...


BrP

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>so we need something close by and it's either Syria or Iran.  I suppose we
>could go
>after the Turks ...
>BrP

I've grown rather found of the Kurds.  I think we should set them up their
own nation state and then defend them forever.  They could be this
century's Israel.


    --bonniev

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Wow!  Thanks for the sweater pieces.   It will be a snap to sew it together
and then add a collar in either black or red.  Thanks so much.  I think I
will actually make this sweater for my own sweet self.  I never get
hand-knitted things.   Did you knit this yourself, Alyce??!


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

> Did you knit this yourself, Alyce??!

Yup. I had a houseful of uncompleted projects.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor:
= whimsy wrote:
=
= > I hope you turned off the power before you went to class.  I hope
= > the whole house hasn't burned to the ground.  I hope you're
= > reading this at work!
=
= Yes, I'm at work.  I'm not sure what you mean by turning off the power
= -- pulling out all the fuses and turning off all the circuit breakers?
= No, I didn't do that.
=
Well, that's what I meant.  I hope your house didn't burn down.
I guess I'll have to read and see.

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At 01:58 PM 4/14/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 13, 2003 at 19:39, Betty wrote:
> >
> > > Will you just buy any old refrigerator that is on sale or will you do a
> > > search and see what is recommended?  Look for an energy efficient one.
> >
> > Energy efficient appliances are not patriotic! What are you - some
> > sort of commie, uh, I mean Saddam apologist?
> >
> > Tony H.
>
>Saddam is past tense.  The Great American Attention Span has moved on.  The
>new baddies on the horizon are either Syria or North Korea.
>
>
>BrP

Given the recent headlines, I'm thinking it's Syria.

lisa

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At 03:46 PM 4/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>They're lovely.

What did you get?

lisa


>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

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= so we need something close by and it's either Syria or Iran.  I suppose we could go
= after the Turks ...
=
=
= BrP

Um, no.  The Turks are on track to be part of Europe.  That would
be a big no-no.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>Did I mention the twins were born over the weekend?  The
>>cousin roster now includes Megan and Peter.
>>
>
> congrats!
>
>
>>They both look
>>a lot like their big brother, Jimmy.
>>
>
> :-) But -- what is there to laugh at: sometimes maybe one can tell so
> early. (I do not remember any more, it was such a long time ago when I
> saw newborn babies.)


        Actually, I think most infants do look alike for the most
part.  They look a little more normal because they were
c-sectioned instead of smooshed through the birth canal
(Ana's face looked bruised up for a few days after birth).




--
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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Yes, well.... it didn't <start> with smoke - that was after weeks!

I was certainly not planning on waiting weeks -- or even a whole day.
As I think I said earlier, even in warm, pleasant weather, ice-cold
baths and showers are not fun.  I don't know how water can be that
cold.  I cringed this morning when sticking my head under the icy flow.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Anyway, the part I think I found saddest, if one had to choose among the
> > sad losses, was the cunieform tablets.
>
> Blame Islam, the barbaric religion!

Right!  Onward Christian Soldiers!  Let us now ransack Syria!
Jihadddddd!

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> bonniev wrote:
>
> > Looks pretty easy:
> >
> > What are the requirements?
> > If you are an adult, you must:
> > ·       be 18 years of age or more
> > ·       be a permanent resident of Canada
> > ·       have lived in Canada for at least three of the four years before
> > applying
> > ·       be able to communicate in English or French
> > ·       demonstrate knowledge about Canada and the rights and
> > responsibilities of citizenship
>
> I take it that those are the requirements for becoming a Canadian
> citizen, right?  And I agree that they look pretty easy.  But what about
> the initial move?  Iow, I'm wondering about the "have lived in Canada
> for at least three of the four years before applying" -- as in how easy
> it is to accomplish that.  Like if I (and this is obviously hypothetical
> since it's way too cold there -- except maybe in BC, but that's too far
> west) decided I wanted to move to Canada, what happens when Spencer and
> I arrive at the border with our duffles packed.  (Maybe we should leave
> Spencer out of the question.  I do know about the dog-transport rules.
> I'm interested here in the human-move situation.)  I can't remember the
> exact questions one is asked upon entering Canada (other than that time
> I fell into laughter when asked whether I was carrying firearms), but my
> vague memory is that they ask why you're coming and how long you're
> staying.  If (in this hypothetical case) I said, "I'm coming because I
> want to live in Canada, and I hope to stay the rest of my life," surely
> there would be some <requirements>.

Well, the url I sent included a link to the self-assessment for skilled
workers. If as a skilled worker you have 75 or more points, based
on level of education, experience in an employable field, 1st and 2d
language ability (Eng/Fr or Fr/Eng), and ties to Canada (eg relatives
there, having worked or studied there, etc.) and you can show that
you have enough money saved to support you and your family for
6 most or more, and some other criteria you find listed there, you
<may> be approved by your counselor for immigration.

clo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Well, the url I sent included a link to the self-assessment for skilled
> workers. If as a skilled worker you have 75 or more points, based
> on level of education, experience in an employable field, 1st and 2d
> language ability (Eng/Fr or Fr/Eng), and ties to Canada (eg relatives
> there, having worked or studied there, etc.) and you can show that
> you have enough money saved to support you and your family for
> 6 most or more, and some other criteria you find listed there, you
> <may> be approved by your counselor for immigration.

But I'm not talking about skilled workers.  I'm talking about old
retired farts.  Actually, I might be able to qualify, though it would be
a sham if I used things like my level of education and my experience in
an employable field if I was really planning on just retiring there.
Ditto Bonnie and Clyde.  Does it say just "an employable field"?  That
could be dicey perhaps.  I could score points on level of education and
experience in "a field," but it is well known that in all levels of
teaching Canadian schools put foreigners at the bottom of the stack.  I
might be able to score some minor points for getting by in the second
language.  Ties to Canada -- hmmm -- surely if I say, "I know Tony, and
BrP's love lives in Canada!" I would be in good shape.  But still --
does age matter?  It seems to me that Canada would not be friendly
toward the idea of letting a bunch of old people move in and take
advantage of their health-care system.  I guess they couldn't be on
their last leg, of course, since they couldn't become Canadian citizens
right off the bat.

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>Sorry, here's a more explicit entry to the part of the site that talks about
>requirements for skilled worker entry:
>
><http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/index.html>
>clo

Thanks but I don't want to enter as a skilled worker.  I want to enter as a
retired layabout.


    --bonniev

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>I wonder if I would have an "in" because my mother was born there? I have
>other relatives still living there.  My nephew, who became a citizen of
>Canada, is sending his son to the dental school that he attended in
>California.  Nice place to vacation with your US dollars.
>Betty

If you were born outside Canada after February 15, 1977, and had one
Canadian parent, you can apply for proof of Canadian citizenship. You may
be Canadian if born before that time to a Canadian parent and can apply to
establish your claim to Canadian citizenship.


    --bonniev

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> Saddam is past tense.  The Great American Attention Span has moved on.  The
> new baddies on the horizon are either Syria or North Korea.

Yep.  I heard on NPR in my car today Colin Powell saying that Syria has
WOMD -- that there is clear reason to believe it -- that <we> know they
do even if they say they don't.  That's Verse I, right?

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-13 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>       Only the Dutch and Pimp Daddies.
>>
>
> That's not discrimination, it's player hating.


        Call it whatever you like; just don't say I didn't warn you.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> In my opinion, the number one difference between moving to the
> US and moving to Canada is: Canada doesn't merely ask "Are you
> capable of making money?" This is the fundamental and essentially
> the only question asked by the US government--it is the definition
> of "productive", and it is the definition of "good fit". In Canada,
> they might go so far as to ask for an essay on why you want to live
> there. They may want to know how community-minded you are, what do
> you know about Canadian culture etc etc.

Interesting stuff.  If it were not so horrendously cold there, I might
really slide from this idle curiosity stuff to serious consideration.
But surely they do require certain financial abilities, unless you're
something like a refugee from a horrible regime.  Hmmmmm.  As I was
writing those words, it occurred to me that -- nevermind -- let's not go
there.

Ok, so this still sounds like people of <working age>.  What about
retired people?  Are the rules different?

Speaking of Turkey, I think I mentioned here before that in my very
brief visit to the coast of Turkey, I heard that you could buy beautiful
coastal houses for $40,000.  Maybe that would be a good place to retire.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > One would think.  But I couldn't easily figure that out from the web page
> > Carolyn provided.  Maybe if you are willing to buy land or a house, can
> > prove that you are self-supporting, and write a good essay about the
> > wonders of Canada, they let you in.
> >
> >     --bonniev
>
> Sorry, here's a more explicit entry to the part of the site that talks about
> requirements for skilled worker entry:
>
> <http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/index.html>

I haven't looked at the url, but we aren't talking about skilled workers
-- or at least not in an honest sense.  Bonnie and Clyde are retired.
So am I (sort of).  We could all gather some skilled-worker points for
education, experience, etc.  But we wouldn't be entering as skilled
workers.

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In a message dated 4/14/2003 2:47:12 PM, stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:

<< Um, no.  The Turks are on track to be part of Europe.  That would
be a big no-no.
 >>
Do you realize what you people sound like? It's like listening to a bunch of
neo-nazis all over again.
Theo

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>Do you realize what you people sound like? It's like listening to a bunch of
>neo-nazis all over again.      --Theo

Why are you surprised?  Isn't that your view of Americans anyway?


    --bonniev

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:
>
> > forgotten the ghost since he's been non-noticeable
>
> There may be a connection here: Berniece
> the Ghost lived in my refrigerator when
> I was in g-skul.
>
> The refrigerator always worked fine, though.

I don't know where my ghost has been hanging out.  I haven't felt his
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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Just make sure that the freezer is frost-free.
> Some of the cheapest ones have a manual-defrost freezer.

I wouldn't mind manual, but the issue is now moot.  No new refrigerator
required.  The old one is happily chugging away now.

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whimsy wrote:

> = so we need something close by and it's either Syria or Iran.  I suppose we could go
> = after the Turks ...
> =
> =
> = BrP
>
> Um, no.  The Turks are on track to be part of Europe.  That would
> be a big no-no.


        Plus, the Turks aren't Arabs and they're part of NATO.  Very
bad.  That's why all their posturing toward the Kurds is
being tolerated.




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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> On the news on Sunday they showed the director of the national Museum standing
> among the shattered and empty cases that had contained priceless antiquities
> screaming at the looters powerless to do anything else.  It broke my heart.

I heard the Director of the U of Chicago's Oriental Institute (he's Pres
of some kind of curators association or something) being interviewed on
NPR as I was driving back from Hville yesterday morning.  His voice was
full of both despair at the enormous losses and outrage at the looters
and at the US for letting it happen.  He said that he and others had
sent urgent communications to the US officials  emphasizing the
importance of what was in that museum and the need for it to be
protected.  The director you're talking about above was also said to
have been begging the US soldiers who were all over the area to stop the
looters but that they ignored the situation.

The following description makes you wonder again about the real motives
of the trashers of the Saddam statues -- like how much it had to do with
him directly:

*****************
Among the museum's treasures was the copper head of an Akkadian king,
  at least 4,300 years old. Its eyes were gouged out, nose flattened,
ears and
  beard cut off, apparently by subjects who took their revenge on his
image -
  much the same way as other Iraqis mutilated statues of Saddam.
*****************
from: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/13/iraq/main549143.shtml

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> alyce cresap wrote:
>
>
>>Twins are a Good Thing. Congratulations to all concerned.
>>
>
> Who else should know it better than you!
>
> Still, are there other wordslers with twins in their families? I cannot
> remember at the moment. Perhaps, Rita, you have written about twin
> cousins earlier, have you not?
>

        No, I don't have any other twins in the family -- just the
two newbies.  John and Eileen just lucked out.



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02003-04-13 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>        Only the Dutch and Pimp Daddies.

That's not discrimination, it's player hating.

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02003-04-13 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> I saw it on <60 Minutes> today, and I still say: This ain't over YET.

Thanks for the update ...

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This reminds me of Ghostbusters; remember where she first finds
signs of Zuul?

Evelyn Duncan
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whimsy wrote:

> Well, that's what I meant.  I hope your house didn't burn down.

Both the man who answered the phone when I called the electrical place
and the man he sent to look for the problem got a chuckle out of my
telling them that my friends said my house was going to burn down.

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whimsy wrote:
>
> = so we need something close by and it's either Syria or Iran.  I suppose we could go
> = after the Turks ...
> =
> =
> = BrP
>
> Um, no.  The Turks are on track to be part of Europe.  That would
> be a big no-no.

And they use our alphabet.  That makes them more <like us>.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/14/2003 2:47:12 PM, stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:
>
> << Um, no.  The Turks are on track to be part of Europe.  That would
> be a big no-no.
>  >>
> Do you realize what you people sound like? It's like listening to a bunch of
> neo-nazis all over again.

You need to watch more tv, Theo, so you also can get into the spirit of
cheering our team and figuring out the next move the coach is going to
make.  It's relaxing to come home at the end of the day, pull a beer out
of the refrigerator, turn on the tv, and watch the US kicking ass --
cleaning up this world -- making it a more <peaceful> place.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
> Do you realize what you people sound like? It's like listening to a bunch of
> neo-nazis all over again.

Please identify one neo-Nazi remark and its speaker.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> The following description makes you wonder again about the real motives
> of the trashers of the Saddam statues -- like how much it had to do with
> him directly:

My description there sounds goofy.  I guess "real motives" can be the
same in various generations.

Anyway, the part I think I found saddest, if one had to choose among the
sad losses, was the cunieform tablets.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Yep.  I heard on NPR in my car today Colin Powell saying that Syria has
> WOMD -- that there is clear reason to believe it -- that <we> know they
> do even if they say they don't.  That's Verse I, right?

Right. And the five mobile chemical laboratories located
today/yesterday(?) were for pesticides, even though they were said to be
WMD.

alyce
>
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>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> whimsy wrote:
>
> > Well, that's what I meant.  I hope your house didn't burn down.
>
> Both the man who answered the phone when I called the electrical place
> and the man he sent to look for the problem got a chuckle out of my
> telling them that my friends said my house was going to burn down.

Nice for them, and I know it's not "likely"; but I had smoke coming
out of an electrical socket and a scorched wall. So yeah, it could
happen - I was lucky that I happened to be home that day.

I hate it when people downplay possibilities because they're not
likely.. And p.s., nobody here said it <would> burn down; we
said that you should check it out <in case> there was a fire hazard.

clo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Nice for them, and I know it's not "likely"; but I had smoke coming
> out of an electrical socket and a scorched wall. So yeah, it could
> happen - I was lucky that I happened to be home that day.

Quite likely if I had smoke coming out of an electrical socket, they
would not have chuckled.  I described the situation exactly as I
described it here on Words-L last night.  Smoke coming out of sockets
was not involved.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > Nice for them, and I know it's not "likely"; but I had smoke coming
> > out of an electrical socket and a scorched wall. So yeah, it could
> > happen - I was lucky that I happened to be home that day.
>
> Quite likely if I had smoke coming out of an electrical socket, they
> would not have chuckled.  I described the situation exactly as I
> described it here on Words-L last night.  Smoke coming out of sockets
> was not involved.

Yes, well.... it didn't <start> with smoke - that was after weeks!
clo

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02003-04-14 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-04-13 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> >>      Only the Dutch and Pimp Daddies.
> >>
> >
> >That's not discrimination, it's player hating.
>
>
>        Call it whatever you like; just don't say I didn't warn you.

I am tempted to call you Lying Hootchie

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > Yes, well.... it didn't <start> with smoke - that was after weeks!
>
> I was certainly not planning on waiting weeks -- or even a whole day.
> As I think I said earlier, even in warm, pleasant weather, ice-cold
> baths and showers are not fun.  I don't know how water can be that
> cold.  I cringed this morning when sticking my head under the icy flow.

Natalie,
We seem to be doing something that happens quite often on Words-L,
and I apologize for my part in it. Your reading implied more than my
statement; my reading of your comments implied more than you meant;
we could really get disgusted with each other without any need at all.

Sorry.

Same thing happened to me earlier today in an exchange with someone
else... I want to go to Gerlach, NV in August, but can't afford a ticket
to the nearest airport. Finally bought a ticket to a distant one, planning
to bus or do a car rental. Sent the itinerary to someone who should
(I thought) be overjoyed and instead got a response of "why the hell
did you pick the wrong airport?".

I am absolutely overjoyed that you found the problem, and feel that
you handled it very well. I wasn't trying to second-guess you; just
got stuck in retelling my story, thinking of the laughing repairman.
Congrats, and isn't it neat that you don't have to buy a new fridge?

clo

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02003-04-14 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > The following description makes you wonder again about the real motives
> > of the trashers of the Saddam statues -- like how much it had to do with
> > him directly:
>
> My description there sounds goofy.  I guess "real motives" can be the
> same in various generations.
>
> Anyway, the part I think I found saddest, if one had to choose among the
> sad losses, was the cunieform tablets.

Blame Islam, the barbaric religion!

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I heard that children born left-handed were proven to have once been a twin.
Anyone else heard this?

Sandra

> >
>         Actually, I think most infants do look alike for the most
> part.  They look a little more normal because they were
> c-sectioned instead of smooshed through the birth canal
> (Ana's face looked bruised up for a few days after birth).
>

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02003-04-14 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Yep.  I heard on NPR in my car today Colin Powell saying that Syria has
> > WOMD -- that there is clear reason to believe it -- that <we> know they
> > do even if they say they don't.  That's Verse I, right?
>
> Right. And the five mobile chemical laboratories located
> today/yesterday(?) were for pesticides, even though they were said to be
> WMD.

If you took Journalism 101 you would know that "pesticides" and
"medicines" are a big fat lie.

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02003-04-14 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> I heard that children born left-handed were proven to have once
> been a twin. Anyone else heard this?

No, but it's pretty much proven that (in European populations
at least) having more older brothers increases a male's chances
of being gay[tm]. If there were any GAYs on the list I would
have asked them if they had older brothers.

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In a message dated 4/14/2003 4:44:55 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<< I am tempted to call you Lying Hootchie
 >>
Don't lower yourself to her level, please.
Theo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, well.... it didn't <start> with smoke - that was after weeks!
> >
> > I was certainly not planning on waiting weeks -- or even a whole day.
> > As I think I said earlier, even in warm, pleasant weather, ice-cold
> > baths and showers are not fun.  I don't know how water can be that
> > cold.  I cringed this morning when sticking my head under the icy flow.
>
> Natalie,
> We seem to be doing something that happens quite often on Words-L,
> and I apologize for my part in it. Your reading implied more than my
> statement; my reading of your comments implied more than you meant;
> we could really get disgusted with each other without any need at all.

I'm not sure I followed all of what you meant about the implying here --
was some of inferring?  But I really don't think I would be likely to
get disgusted with you from such an exchange.

> I am absolutely overjoyed that you found the problem, and feel that

I didn't find it.  The electrician did.

> Congrats, and isn't it neat that you don't have to buy a new fridge?

I don't know.  Refrigerators die.  I have no idea how old mine is, but
one nice thing about replacing one is that you know you've got a good
while left on it.  (It has occurred to me that the one in my rental
house is getting pretty aged -- I had it in the house I lived in before
moving into that house that is now the rental house -- I lived in that
house for eighteen years -- moved out of it almost two years ago -- had
the refrigerator for at least a few years before that.)

What I wish would die is my hot-water tank.  I hate that it's electric.
This morning's hair-washing (and body-washing) experience emphasized to
me again how bad it is to have an electric hot-water tank.  I've been
lucky that we haven't had an ice storm in the two winters I've lived in
this house, but that luck can't last.  The idea of ice-cold
baths/showers when it's 10 degrees both inside and outside is not a
happy one.  So I want my hot-water tank to die soon so that I can
replace it with a gas one.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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        No.  In the age of sonograms at 4 weeks, I doubt there are
many twins we don't know about.  In any case, Megan and
Peter have a good chance of being left handed as both my
brother and I are ambi.

sandra wrote:

> I heard that children born left-handed were proven to have once been a twin.
> Anyone else heard this?
>
> Sandra
>
>
>>        Actually, I think most infants do look alike for the most
>>part.  They look a little more normal because they were
>>c-sectioned instead of smooshed through the birth canal
>>(Ana's face looked bruised up for a few days after birth).
>>
>>
>


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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 4/14/2003 4:44:55 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> << I am tempted to call you Lying Hootchie
>  >>
> Don't lower yourself to her level, please.


        Yeah, what she said, Beer Swami.




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sandra wrote:
>
> I heard that children born left-handed were proven to have once been a twin.
> Anyone else heard this?

What does this mean?  I fear that I'm suffering from very serious
brainrot.  Are you saying that left-handed children had had another
embryo <embedded> with them briefly, even though the family wasn't aware
of it?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
>
>>>Anyway, the part I think I found saddest, if one had to choose among the
>>>sad losses, was the cunieform tablets.
>>>
>>Blame Islam, the barbaric religion!
>>
>
> Right!  Onward Christian Soldiers!  Let us now ransack Syria!
> Jihadddddd!


        Let's have a good old-fashioned Crusade for Holy Week.  I
think that would be appropriate.




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Tushar Samant wrote:

> No, but it's pretty much proven that (in European populations
> at least) having more older brothers increases a male's chances
> of being gay[tm]. If there were any GAYs on the list I would
> have asked them if they had older brothers.

Well, I know of data (or a single-family datum) to produce as evidence
of the exceptions.  One of my long-ago colleagues had four sons, three
and a half of whom were gay -- or that's how another of my colleagues
put it.  The first two are openly gay.  The third is the half my
colleague referred to -- seemingly happily married with a child but
perhaps gay.  The youngest is clearly hetero.

So there.

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In a message dated 04/14/2003 6:02:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<<
If there were any GAYs on the list I would
have asked them if they had older brothers.

>>

I have a younger brother and a younger sister.
No older siblings.

Evelyn Duncan
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> sandra wrote:
> >
> > I heard that children born left-handed were proven to have once been a twin.
> > Anyone else heard this?
>
> What does this mean?  I fear that I'm suffering from very serious
> brainrot.  Are you saying that left-handed children had had another
> embryo <embedded> with them briefly, even though the family wasn't aware
> of it?

I have heard theories that many zygotes initially are twinned pairs,
with only one being viable and the other being reabsorbed. At the
time it hit the "science" back page, there was a lot of "oh, if this or
that is true, you had a secret twin". In fact, didn't the original
"twins - separated at birth" running joke come out about then?

clo

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There was an article in Discover magazine about a woman who
was pregnant with twins.  At 13 weeks, both twins were alive.
At 15 weeks, one had died.  Over the course of the pregnancy,
the dead twin and its sac were reabsorbed by the woman's body.
When the living twin was born, there was no indication that the
woman had conceived two.

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So what is the answer to the question re moving to Canada?  Tony?  BrP?
Anybody?  It's not that I'm planning to move there -- it's much too cold
there.  But I'm curious about whether Bonnie and Clyde (or whoever)
could decide to move to Canada and become Canadian citizens.  Isn't
immigration more <complicated> than that?

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02003-04-14 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> >In a message dated 4/14/2003 4:44:55 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
> >
> ><< I am tempted to call you Lying Hootchie
> > >>
> >Don't lower yourself to her level, please.
>
>        Yeah, what she said, Beer Swami.

#1: "Beer Swami" is the STUPID of the week.

#2: So, finally you agree with Theo. Why couldn't you do it
    when she warned you so long ago?

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02003-04-14 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > No, but it's pretty much proven that (in European populations
> > at least) having more older brothers increases a male's chances
> > of being gay[tm]. If there were any GAYs on the list I would
> > have asked them if they had older brothers.
>
> Well, I know of data (or a single-family datum) to produce as evidence
> of the exceptions.  One of my long-ago colleagues had four sons, three
> and a half of whom were gay -- or that's how another of my colleagues
> put it.  The first two are openly gay.  The third is the half my
> colleague referred to -- seemingly happily married with a child but
> perhaps gay.  The youngest is clearly hetero.
>
> So there.

Let me do a Natalie and say "Huh?" You give an example of two
men consistent and one inconsistent with the rule, and that's
an exception?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> So what is the answer to the question re moving to Canada?  Tony?  BrP?
> Anybody?  It's not that I'm planning to move there -- it's much too cold
> there.  But I'm curious about whether Bonnie and Clyde (or whoever)
> could decide to move to Canada and become Canadian citizens.  Isn't
> immigration more <complicated> than that?

Actually, they are as upfront about it as they can be. There is a
Canadian  immigration page, that tells you about the criteria; and
there is an interactive form that you can work through to see how
close you come to meeting it.
<http://www.cic.gc.ca/>
clo

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02003-04-14 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 04/14/2003 6:02:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
> scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> <<
> If there were any GAYs on the list I would
> have asked them if they had older brothers.
>
> >>
>
> I have a younger brother and a younger sister.
> No older siblings.

It's only for men. Lesbians show no gender pattern for
older or younger siblings. And gay men have no pattern
for any type of sibling except older male siblings.

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02003-04-14 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > Anyway, the part I think I found saddest, if one had to choose
> > > among the sad losses, was the cunieform tablets.
> >
> > Blame Islam, the barbaric religion!
>
> Right!  Onward Christian Soldiers!  Let us now ransack Syria!
> Jihadddddd!

Any Journalism 101 student would be able to tell you that Muslims
have been waging a near-continuous Jihad on civil societies for
hundreds of years. I guess you only read what you want to read?
Just checking.

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02003-04-14 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Let's have a good old-fashioned Crusade for Holy Week.
> I think that would be appropriate.

Didn't the government have a "day of prayer and fasting" some
time ago?

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> 02003-04-14 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > No, but it's pretty much proven that (in European populations
> > > at least) having more older brothers increases a male's chances
> > > of being gay[tm]. If there were any GAYs on the list I would
> > > have asked them if they had older brothers.
> >
> > Well, I know of data (or a single-family datum) to produce as evidence
> > of the exceptions.  One of my long-ago colleagues had four sons, three
> > and a half of whom were gay -- or that's how another of my colleagues
> > put it.  The first two are openly gay.  The third is the half my
> > colleague referred to -- seemingly happily married with a child but
> > perhaps gay.  The youngest is clearly hetero.
> >
> > So there.
>
> Let me do a Natalie and say "Huh?" You give an example of two
> men consistent and one inconsistent with the rule, and that's
> an exception?

Huh?  The only clearcut non-gay among these four sons is the one with
the largest number of older brothers.  The half gay in the count is the
one with the next largest number of older brothers.  One of the two open
gays has one older brother.  The other of the two open gays has no older
brothers.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Actually, they are as upfront about it as they can be. There is a
> Canadian  immigration page, that tells you about the criteria; and

I assumed that that was true.  But IMFTAOTL.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Any Journalism 101 student would be able to tell you that Muslims
> have been waging a near-continuous Jihad on civil societies for
> hundreds of years. I guess you only read what you want to read?
> Just checking.

What can I say?  I read only what I want to read.  So how would I know?
I also never took Journalism 101.  The only journalism course I ever
took was a two-hour course called The History of Journalism.  It was
actually rather interesting, though the only reason I took it was that I
suddenly discovered that I had accidentally accumulated enough hours to
graduate a semester early if I took 20 hours.  Since I was already
planning on taking 18, I poked through the offerings of 2-hour courses
and hit upon that one.

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>I assumed that that was true.  But IMFTAOTL.
>  -- Natalie

Looks pretty easy:

What are the requirements?
If you are an adult, you must:
·       be 18 years of age or more
·       be a permanent resident of Canada
·       have lived in Canada for at least three of the four years before
applying
·       be able to communicate in English or French
·       demonstrate knowledge about Canada and the rights and
responsibilities of citizenship



    --bonniev

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02003-04-14 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> So what is the answer to the question re moving to Canada?  Tony?  BrP?
> Anybody?  It's not that I'm planning to move there -- it's much too cold
> there.  But I'm curious about whether Bonnie and Clyde (or whoever)
> could decide to move to Canada and become Canadian citizens.  Isn't
> immigration more <complicated> than that?

In my opinion, the number one difference between moving to the
US and moving to Canada is: Canada doesn't merely ask "Are you
capable of making money?" This is the fundamental and essentially
the only question asked by the US government--it is the definition
of "productive", and it is the definition of "good fit". In Canada,
they might go so far as to ask for an essay on why you want to live
there. They may want to know how community-minded you are, what do
you know about Canadian culture etc etc.

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02003-04-14 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > 02003-04-14 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >
> > > > No, but it's pretty much proven that (in European populations
> > > > at least) having more older brothers increases a male's chances
> > > > of being gay[tm]. If there were any GAYs on the list I would
> > > > have asked them if they had older brothers.
> > >
> > > Well, I know of data (or a single-family datum) to produce as evidence
> > > of the exceptions.  One of my long-ago colleagues had four sons, three
> > > and a half of whom were gay -- or that's how another of my colleagues
> > > put it.  The first two are openly gay.  The third is the half my
> > > colleague referred to -- seemingly happily married with a child but
> > > perhaps gay.  The youngest is clearly hetero.
> > >
> > > So there.
> >
> > Let me do a Natalie and say "Huh?" You give an example of two
> > men consistent and one inconsistent with the rule, and that's
> > an exception?
>
> Huh?  The only clearcut non-gay among these four sons is the one with
> the largest number of older brothers.  The half gay in the count is the
> one with the next largest number of older brothers.  One of the two open
> gays has one older brother.  The other of the two open gays has no older
> brothers.

Oops, did I say 2:1? I meant 1.5:1, my bad!

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bonniev wrote:

> Looks pretty easy:
>
> What are the requirements?
> If you are an adult, you must:
> ·       be 18 years of age or more
> ·       be a permanent resident of Canada
> ·       have lived in Canada for at least three of the four years before
> applying
> ·       be able to communicate in English or French
> ·       demonstrate knowledge about Canada and the rights and
> responsibilities of citizenship

I take it that those are the requirements for becoming a Canadian
citizen, right?  And I agree that they look pretty easy.  But what about
the initial move?  Iow, I'm wondering about the "have lived in Canada
for at least three of the four years before applying" -- as in how easy
it is to accomplish that.  Like if I (and this is obviously hypothetical
since it's way too cold there -- except maybe in BC, but that's too far
west) decided I wanted to move to Canada, what happens when Spencer and
I arrive at the border with our duffles packed.  (Maybe we should leave
Spencer out of the question.  I do know about the dog-transport rules.
I'm interested here in the human-move situation.)  I can't remember the
exact questions one is asked upon entering Canada (other than that time
I fell into laughter when asked whether I was carrying firearms), but my
vague memory is that they ask why you're coming and how long you're
staying.  If (in this hypothetical case) I said, "I'm coming because I
want to live in Canada, and I hope to stay the rest of my life," surely
there would be some <requirements>.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>If (in this hypothetical case) I said, "I'm coming because I
>want to live in Canada, and I hope to stay the rest of my life," surely
>there would be some <requirements>.     -- Natalie

One would think.  But I couldn't easily figure that out from the web page
Carolyn provided.  Maybe if you are willing to buy land or a house, can
prove that you are self-supporting, and write a good essay about the
wonders of Canada, they let you in.


    --bonniev

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Oops, did I say 2:1? I meant 1.5:1, my bad!

Don't get all mathematical about it.

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bonniev wrote:

> >If (in this hypothetical case) I said, "I'm coming because I
> >want to live in Canada, and I hope to stay the rest of my life," surely
> >there would be some <requirements>.     -- Natalie
>
> One would think.  But I couldn't easily figure that out from the web page
> Carolyn provided.  Maybe if you are willing to buy land or a house, can
> prove that you are self-supporting, and write a good essay about the
> wonders of Canada, they let you in.
>
>     --bonniev

Sorry, here's a more explicit entry to the part of the site that talks about
requirements for skilled worker entry:

<http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/index.html>
clo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> But surely they do require certain financial abilities, unless you're
> something like a refugee from a horrible regime.  Hmmmmm.  As I was
> writing those words, it occurred to me that -- nevermind -- let's not go
> there.

Comment from an apparently apathetic, apolitical 20-something today:

"The thought intrudes:
'Nazi-tested; Republican-approved'"

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > Well, the url I sent included a link to the self-assessment for skilled
> > workers. If as a skilled worker you have 75 or more points, based
> > on level of education, experience in an employable field, 1st and 2d
> > language ability (Eng/Fr or Fr/Eng), and ties to Canada (eg relatives
> > there, having worked or studied there, etc.) and you can show that
> > you have enough money saved to support you and your family for
> > 6 most or more, and some other criteria you find listed there, you
> > <may> be approved by your counselor for immigration.
>
> But I'm not talking about skilled workers.  I'm talking about old
> retired farts.  Actually, I might be able to qualify, though it would be
> a sham if I used things like my level of education and my experience in
> an employable field if I was really planning on just retiring there.
> Ditto Bonnie and Clyde.  Does it say just "an employable field"?  That
> could be dicey perhaps.  I could score points on level of education and
> experience in "a field," but it is well known that in all levels of
> teaching Canadian schools put foreigners at the bottom of the stack.  I
> might be able to score some minor points for getting by in the second
> language.  Ties to Canada -- hmmm -- surely if I say, "I know Tony, and
> BrP's love lives in Canada!" I would be in good shape.  But still --
> does age matter?  It seems to me that Canada would not be friendly
> toward the idea of letting a bunch of old people move in and take
> advantage of their health-care system.  I guess they couldn't be on
> their last leg, of course, since they couldn't become Canadian citizens
> right off the bat.

I have no idea what to tell you, other than, "talk to your friendly
immigration
counselor". But the assessment tool I went through does indeed ask age,
and from what I understand, it is positive to be under 50 or 55 or something
similar, in that you have lots of experience but won't be entirely retired.

I know one person who has talked to an actual immigration counselor,
but have not taken that step myself.

clo

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At 08:08 PM 4/14/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > > One would think.  But I couldn't easily figure that out from the web page
> > > Carolyn provided.  Maybe if you are willing to buy land or a house, can
> > > prove that you are self-supporting, and write a good essay about the
> > > wonders of Canada, they let you in.
> > >
> > >     --bonniev
> >
> > Sorry, here's a more explicit entry to the part of the site that talks
> about
> > requirements for skilled worker entry:
> >
> > <http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/index.html>
>
>I haven't looked at the url, but we aren't talking about skilled workers
>-- or at least not in an honest sense.  Bonnie and Clyde are retired.
>So am I (sort of).  We could all gather some skilled-worker points for
>education, experience, etc.  But we wouldn't be entering as skilled
>workers.

I wonder if I would have an "in" because my mother was born there? I have
other relatives still living there.  My nephew, who became a citizen of
Canada, is sending his son to the dental school that he attended in
California.  Nice place to vacation with your US dollars.

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > > One would think.  But I couldn't easily figure that out from the web page
> > > Carolyn provided.  Maybe if you are willing to buy land or a house, can
> > > prove that you are self-supporting, and write a good essay about the
> > > wonders of Canada, they let you in.
> > >
> > >     --bonniev
> >
> > Sorry, here's a more explicit entry to the part of the site that talks about
> > requirements for skilled worker entry:
> >
> > <http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/index.html>
>
> I haven't looked at the url, but we aren't talking about skilled workers
> -- or at least not in an honest sense.  Bonnie and Clyde are retired.
> So am I (sort of).  We could all gather some skilled-worker points for
> education, experience, etc.  But we wouldn't be entering as skilled
> workers.

Well, I am telling you about the online assessment, because it at least
addresses some of your questions. Poke around on the website; call
CIC if you are really curious. I am not able to give information I don't
know, and I would be entering as a skilled worker, so that's where I
put my time.

dyofr; I am late for my open mic night.

clo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> <http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/index.html>

Ok, so I pass as a skilled worker.  Does that enable me to just bop
right in and settle down?

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> I know one person who has talked to an actual immigration counselor,
> but have not taken that step myself.

I've never heard of immigration counselors.  How does one find them?
(This is all still in the realm of hypothetical and idle curiosity.  If
I lived somewhere like Syracuse, it might not be.  It's cold there.)

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Betty wrote:

> I wonder if I would have an "in" because my mother was born there? I have
> other relatives still living there.  My nephew, who became a citizen of
> Canada, is sending his son to the dental school that he attended in
> California.  Nice place to vacation with your US dollars.

Yes, you would surely have an in, from what I've read.  I didn't know
your mother was born in Canada.  Did that give you a citizenship
choice?

I hadn't thought about this before, and exchange rates do change, but my
income would continue to be in US dollars no matter where I lived.  If
the exchange rate remained as it is now, I would do well living in
Canada.  But I would be cold and therefore unhappy.

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>It seems to me that Canada would not be friendly
>toward the idea of letting a bunch of old people move in and take
>advantage of their health-care system.  I guess they couldn't be on
>their last leg, of course, since they couldn't become Canadian citizens
>right off the bat.     -- Natalie

Not necessarily true.  For example, Maine doesn't mind old farts retiring
here because they have to pay property and state income taxes while not
consuming much in the way of school costs.


    --bonniev

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02003-04-14 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> [Canada]
>
> Interesting stuff.  If it were not so horrendously cold there, I might
> really slide from this idle curiosity stuff to serious consideration.

Too bad!

> But surely they do require certain financial abilities, unless you're
> something like a refugee from a horrible regime.

However, that's not the only thing they ask. As I said, the US
essentially asks for just that--"does a business which is doing
well want to emply you?", for instance--so permanent residence
in the US is in a way a lot easier. (That's another reason
why everyone looks at the US as they do--as a bounty-hunter's
country. In fact I had friends even in high school who wanted
to go, specifically because there are unlimited opportunities
to prosper. It's always been like this.)

I believe that Canadian immigration now also reserves a few
points for "subjective assessment"--which is mainly used to
nudge a "reasonable" person above the mark if he would other-
wise fail on a technicality.

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>I hadn't thought about this before, and exchange rates do change, but my
>income would continue to be in US dollars no matter where I lived.  If
>the exchange rate remained as it is now, I would do well living in
>Canada.  But I would be cold and therefore unhappy.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

They've had central heating systems for years up there.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >It seems to me that Canada would not be friendly
> >toward the idea of letting a bunch of old people move in and take
> >advantage of their health-care system.  I guess they couldn't be on
> >their last leg, of course, since they couldn't become Canadian citizens
> >right off the bat.     -- Natalie
>
> Not necessarily true.  For example, Maine doesn't mind old farts retiring
> here because they have to pay property and state income taxes while not
> consuming much in the way of school costs.

Good point, except that I'm not sure it would apply to another country.
I guess if one simply lived in Canada, without benefits like the health
care, it would be a good thing from the Canadian pov.  And I assume that
in the interval between immigration and citizenship one would not have
the health care.  But after just a few years, one could become a
Canadian citizen and glean all benefits.  There's something that seems
not quite right about that to me.  People like Tony are paying high
taxes for years for the good health care.  That makes me wonder how
somebody like me could go waltzing into Canada late in life and expect
to have the benefits that Tony has been paying for for years.  I would,
of course, be tossing out the Medicare credit that has been taken out of
my paychecks for years.  But still something seems wrong (unless the US
gov't sent the money from all those Medicare deductions to Canada on my
behalf).

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-04-14 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Oops, did I say 2:1? I meant 1.5:1, my bad!
>
> Don't get all mathematical about it.

In that case, you gave an excellent counterexample!

Seriously, though, that IS interesting, in the light
of this study. The proportion of gay men among men
with two older brothers, for instance, is something
like 50% higher than in men with no older brothers.
Not sure of the number, but it's pretty stupendous.

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bonniev wrote:
> >Canada.  But I would be cold and therefore unhappy.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> They've had central heating systems for years up there.

We have central heating, but that does not make it any easier to go
outside.  I would feel enslaved to my house.  I seriously am in a much
better mood when the weather is warm, even if I'm inside.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 08:29 PM 4/14/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > I wonder if I would have an "in" because my mother was born there? I have
> > other relatives still living there.  My nephew, who became a citizen of
> > Canada, is sending his son to the dental school that he attended in
> > California.  Nice place to vacation with your US dollars.
>
>Yes, you would surely have an in, from what I've read.  I didn't know
>your mother was born in Canada.  Did that give you a citizenship
>choice?

No, I was born here. My father was a homesteader and I think she gave up
Canada to marry him.

Betty

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At 09:56 PM 4/14/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>I wonder if I would have an "in" because my mother was born there? I have
>>other relatives still living there.  My nephew, who became a citizen of
>>Canada, is sending his son to the dental school that he attended in
>>California.  Nice place to vacation with your US dollars.
>>Betty
>
>If you were born outside Canada after February 15, 1977, and had one
>Canadian parent, you can apply for proof of Canadian citizenship. You may
>be Canadian if born before that time to a Canadian parent and can apply to
>establish your claim to Canadian citizenship.

And the benefits would be?  I wonder if my mother gave up her Canadian
citizenship?

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>We have central heating, but that does not make it any easier to go
>outside.  I would feel enslaved to my house.  I seriously am in a much
>better mood when the weather is warm, even if I'm inside.
>  -- Natalie

I understand completely because I felt enslaved to my house when living in
Tennessee and needing air conditioning to exist.  I seriously am in a much
better mood when the weather is cold, even if I'm inside.


    --bonniev

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>>If you were born outside Canada after February 15, 1977, and had one
>>Canadian parent, you can apply for proof of Canadian citizenship. You may
>>be Canadian if born before that time to a Canadian parent and can apply to
>>establish your claim to Canadian citizenship.
>
>And the benefits would be?  I wonder if my mother gave up her Canadian
>citizenship?

You can share the house with me and Natalie and get all those good health
benefits.  Maybe you could even sponsor us for citizenship.  And you would
no longer be paying taxes to the war-mongering nation that the USA has
become.  And Big Brother wouldn't be looking over your shoulder.


    --bonniev

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>  I guess you only read what you want to read?
> Just checking.

You are becoming a neo-nazi.

alyce

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02003-04-14 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >  I guess you only read what you want to read?
> > Just checking.
>
> You are becoming a neo-nazi.

So the constant jihad we live under is just a rumor? OK.
Fine. Suit yourself. Or take a Journalism 101 course.

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...if Syria has any good museums and libraries.
--
alyce

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Natalie Maynor:
= whimsy wrote:
=
= > Well, that's what I meant.  I hope your house didn't burn down.
=
= Both the man who answered the phone when I called the electrical place
= and the man he sent to look for the problem got a chuckle out of my
= telling them that my friends said my house was going to burn down.
=

That's nice.

I'm glad your house didn't burn down.   This document
http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/fire83/PDF/f83002.pdf
suggests that even if you did have a fire, then there would have
been only a 10% chance flames would have spread beyond the room
of origin, so I guess we're all a bunch of worry warts!

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Carolyn Ostrander:
= Natalie Maynor wrote:
=
= > Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
= >
= > > Yes, well.... it didn't <start> with smoke - that was after weeks!
= >
= > I was certainly not planning on waiting weeks -- or even a whole day.
= > As I think I said earlier, even in warm, pleasant weather, ice-cold
= > baths and showers are not fun.  I don't know how water can be that
= > cold.  I cringed this morning when sticking my head under the icy flow.
=
= Natalie,
= We seem to be doing something that happens quite often on Words-L,
= and I apologize for my part in it. Your reading implied more than my
= statement; my reading of your comments implied more than you meant;
= we could really get disgusted with each other without any need at all.
=
= Sorry.
=

You are not going to last here long with that attitude little
missy!

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= I guess if one simply lived in Canada, without benefits like the health
= care, it would be a good thing from the Canadian pov.  And I assume that
= in the interval between immigration and citizenship one would not have
= the health care.  But after just a few years, one could become a

That's possibly a faulty assumption.  There's no citizenship
requirement here for health care.   I can't think of what your
situation would be here, but probably you'd have to pay for your
health insurance in the same way that everyone else with your
income has (wherever that put you in the system).

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10:53 14.04.2003 -0400 skrev alyce cresap:
>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>> Did I mention the twins were born over the weekend?
>
>Twins are a Good Thing. Congratulations to all concerned.

Indeed. Congratulations!

Espen

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11:17 14.04.2003 -0400 skrev Max F.:
>Espen is always well informed...or he uses Google, just like I've just
>done, since I didn't really know who Pasquale Massacra was, even if I know
>for sure where that road lies.

Espen cheats and uses Google.And he also reads enough Italian to get the gist of the pages.

Espen

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14:19 14.04.2003 -0400 skrev clyde w. voigtlander:
>At 01:58 PM 4/14/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>
>>Saddam is past tense.  The Great American Attention Span has moved on.  The
>>new baddies on the horizon are either Syria or North Korea.
>
>I doubt that it will be North Korea---they not only have or are developing
>WOMD, they have admitted it and further, told us to stuff it.  I figure it
>will be either Syria or Lichtenstein.

Yes, Lichtenstein are making some problems for us in the ongoing negotiations between the EU and the EFTA leftovers. (Norway with its five million is a giant when the other two members are Lichtenstein and Iceland.)

Espen

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18:10 14.04.2003 -0500 skrev Rita Chapman:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Anyway, the part I think I found saddest, if one had to choose among the
>>>>sad losses, was the cunieform tablets.
>>>Blame Islam, the barbaric religion!
>>
>>Right!  Onward Christian Soldiers!  Let us now ransack Syria!
>>Jihadddddd!
>
>
>       Let's have a good old-fashioned Crusade for Holy Week.  I
>think that would be appropriate.

Beware, remember the fourth crusade. (1204)

Espen

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alyce cresap wrote:

> ...if Syria has any good museums and libraries.

I'm afraid it has.

Kristin

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I'd like to be able to cheat the way you do with some other language, but
it isn't that easy.
When travelling I'm always amused by the noticing really many people can
understand some Italian, I mean some more than pizza, pasta and such idioms.
L.

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19:48 14.04.2003 -0400 skrev Carolyn Ostrander:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>> So what is the answer to the question re moving to Canada?  Tony?  BrP?
>> Anybody?  It's not that I'm planning to move there -- it's much too cold
>> there.  But I'm curious about whether Bonnie and Clyde (or whoever)
>> could decide to move to Canada and become Canadian citizens.  Isn't
>> immigration more <complicated> than that?
>
>Actually, they are as upfront about it as they can be. There is a
>Canadian  immigration page, that tells you about the criteria; and
>there is an interactive form that you can work through to see how
>close you come to meeting it.
><http://www.cic.gc.ca/>
>clo

Aha. Alone and without a prearranged job in Canada I would not manage. But if I had a job or if my wife came with me it would be OK. Or if I became fluent in French.

Espen

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22:51 14.04.2003 -0400 skrev alyce cresap:
>...if Syria has any good museums and libraries.

On the road to Damascus ...

Espen

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whimsy wrote:

> = so we need something close by and it's either Syria or Iran.  I suppose we could go
> = after the Turks ...
> =
> =
> = BrP
>
> Um, no.  The Turks are on track to be part of Europe.  That would
> be a big no-no.

A (leftist) analyst, whose *views* I often do not share, but who yet is certainly rather
sharp-eyed when analysing, was discussing the Estonian government's support to the USA in
the current war. Now, even I can see that at least one reason for this support is
certainly our wish to become a member of NATO, as must be the case in other East European
countries. At the same time an aim of  the government is for Estonia to become a member
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The analyst asks whether our government can recognize that the war can, in a way, be seen
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Just to mention. For me it gave another point of view to think things over and over
again, after having thought so much already, how essential the oil might be as a motive.

Kristin

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Tushar Samant wrote:

>  In fact I had friends even in high school who wanted
> to go, specifically because there are unlimited opportunities
> to prosper. It's always been like this.)

The myth of a newspaper-selling boy becoming a millioneer (a milliardeer in
these days, I guess) still seems to work.

Kristin

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LFF wrote:

> When travelling I'm always amused by the noticing really many people can
> understand some Italian, I mean some more than pizza, pasta and such idioms.

I remember a song, humorously sung by a choir, the text of which consisted
entirely of musical terms in Italian. Sotto voce, allegro, amoroso(?) etc. The
text made sense and when listening to it I could recognize most words in it,
certainly more than I am able to recall at the moment.

Kristin

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Betty wrote:

> >Yes, you would surely have an in, from what I've read.  I didn't know
> >your mother was born in Canada.  Did that give you a citizenship
> >choice?
>
> No, I was born here. My father was a homesteader and I think she gave up
> Canada to marry him.

But if your mother was still a Canadian citizen when you were born, you
would have dual citizenship at least in childhood.  Or at least that's
how it has worked for all the people I've known who have had one or more
parents who are citizens of another country but were born here.  (But I
can't think of any examples I've known when the parent was Canadian.
Presumably the citizenship rules vary by country.  Japan, though, is one
of the strictest countries in the world re who it allows to be a
citizen, and I know it considers a child born to a Japanese who lives in
the US as a citizen -- but that child has to make a choice upon reaching
adulthood since Japan doesn't allow dual citizenship for adults.)

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bonniev wrote:

> >And the benefits would be?  I wonder if my mother gave up her Canadian
> >citizenship?
>
> You can share the house with me and Natalie and get all those good health
> benefits.  Maybe you could even sponsor us for citizenship.

But it's too cold there.

My mail is out of order.  I'm reading replies before their originals.

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> ...if Syria has any good museums and libraries.

Won't have much longer.

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whimsy wrote:

> I'm glad your house didn't burn down.   This document
> http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/fire83/PDF/f83002.pdf
> suggests that even if you did have a fire, then there would have
> been only a 10% chance flames would have spread beyond the room
> of origin, so I guess we're all a bunch of worry warts!

I clicked on the url, but when acrobat popped up, I knew it was going to
be something too long and boring.  So I dropped the quest.  Did it
describe the symptoms I described?  Don't forget that the chucklers
chuckled about my worrywart friends after I had described how my
electricity was behaving.  The one who came to my house said as walking
in that the problem was one of two things -- one would involve the
outside line, the other the fuse box.  Neither of those would start a
fire, he said.  But he's just an electrician, not a Wordsler.  If
Wordslers had been closer around, I could have had them come take care
of it instead of having to rely on the likes of these electricians.

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whimsy wrote:

> That's possibly a faulty assumption.  There's no citizenship
> requirement here for health care.   I can't think of what your
> situation would be here, but probably you'd have to pay for your
> health insurance in the same way that everyone else with your
> income has (wherever that put you in the system).

My uncle has Spanish medical insurance and is not a Spanish citizen.
But it's not <free> (as in paid for by tax money).  He pays for it
directly.  Ditto the health insurance I had in Japan.  The cost was
based on income -- the previous year's income, which was nice for me
since that was zero, meaning I got to pay the minimum.  It would have
been much costlier if I'd been there a second year.

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On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> bonniev wrote:
>
> > >And the benefits would be?  I wonder if my mother gave up her Canadian
> > >citizenship?
> >
> > You can share the house with me and Natalie and get all those good health
> > benefits.  Maybe you could even sponsor us for citizenship.
>
> But it's too cold there.
>
> My mail is out of order.  I'm reading replies before their originals.
>
Being cold actually isn't that bad, because it only takes a couple of
weeks to adapt, if you dress in layers.

I think it's worse to be cold and unhappy. The short days and dim daylight
of winter are the worst culprits, imho. Being outside a lot, or using
full spectrum lighting (I have it in my office, and some at home too)
helps tremendously.

clo

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>
>
>         Let's have a good old-fashioned Crusade for Holy Week.  I
> think that would be appropriate.
 --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita

More appropriate for Sweeps Week than Holy Week I suspect.

BrP

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On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Don't forget that the chucklers
> chuckled about my worrywart friends after I had described how my
> electricity was behaving.  The one who came to my house said as walking
> in that the problem was one of two things -- one would involve the
> outside line, the other the fuse box.  Neither of those would start a
> fire, he said.  But he's just an electrician, not a Wordsler.

What a very interesting topic.

> If
> Wordslers had been closer around, I could have had them come take care
> of it instead of having to rely on the likes of these electricians.
>
Well, a couple of us know how to systematically check an electrical
system; and it would have been inexpensive!
 ;)
clo

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> >I assumed that that was true.  But IMFTAOTL.
> >  -- Natalie
>
> Looks pretty easy:
>
> What are the requirements?
> If you are an adult, you must:
> ·       be 18 years of age or more
> ·       be a permanent resident of Canada


Getting PR status is the tough part

BrP



> ·       have lived in Canada for at least three of the four years before
> applying
> ·       be able to communicate in English or French
> ·       demonstrate knowledge about Canada and the rights and
> responsibilities of citizenship
>
>
>
>     --bonniev

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On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> whimsy wrote:
>
> > That's possibly a faulty assumption.  There's no citizenship
> > requirement here for health care.   I can't think of what your
> > situation would be here, but probably you'd have to pay for your
> > health insurance in the same way that everyone else with your
> > income has (wherever that put you in the system).
>
> My uncle has Spanish medical insurance and is not a Spanish citizen.
> But it's not <free> (as in paid for by tax money).  He pays for it
> directly.  Ditto the health insurance I had in Japan.  The cost was
> based on income -- the previous year's income, which was nice for me
> since that was zero, meaning I got to pay the minimum.  It would have
> been much costlier if I'd been there a second year.
>

My daughter's on National Health Care in England for the year; she hasn't
mentioned a fee. Nice for her, because our insurance screwed up on
checking her eligibility with the university, and is disallowing
everything.

clo

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
= On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
=
= > bonniev wrote:
= >
= > > >And the benefits would be?  I wonder if my mother gave up her Canadian
= > > >citizenship?
= > >
= > > You can share the house with me and Natalie and get all those good health
= > > benefits.  Maybe you could even sponsor us for citizenship.
= >
= > But it's too cold there.
= >
= > My mail is out of order.  I'm reading replies before their originals.
= >
= Being cold actually isn't that bad, because it only takes a couple of
= weeks to adapt, if you dress in layers.
=

Natalie does not do layers.

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At 08:02 PM 4/11/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>I've been impressed by the professionalism, training, competence
>and weaponry of the US military. The soldiers did a wonderful job.
>There's something to be said for having a defense budget larger
>than the next ten combined.
>
>-rashmi

It's also impressive given that those on the front lines are teenagers or
very young adults.

lisa

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> Being cold actually isn't that bad, because it only takes a couple of
> weeks to adapt, if you dress in layers.

I'm sure there is some physical adaptation that happens automatically to
most people when they move to a different climate, but to me the
psychological part is even more important.  Not only does cold <hurt> me
physically, it makes me unhappy.  Or at least it makes me not as happy
as I am in warm weather.  Sometimes I don't even think about the
association until later -- like on a day that I feel totally exuberant
and love everybody and everything, I sometimes realize later, like that
night or the next day, that it was no doubt the suddenly warm weather
after a cold spell.

I understand perfectly what Bonnie means about not liking hot weather.
She lived in the South (though in a relatively cool part of it) for a
pretty long time, yet did not <adapt>.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> Well, a couple of us know how to systematically check an electrical
> system; and it would have been inexpensive!

As I said, it would have been nice to have had Wordslers here.  I don't
know what the electrical people will charge.  It should help that my
description enabled him to go straight to the problem and fix it within
a minute or so.  (He had to go out to his truck to get a replacement
fuse, but he even did that pretty quickly.)  I did detain him a couple
more minutes to ask him a question I had had in my mind for a good
while.  I showed him the place in the den ceiling where obviously there
was once a ceiling light (its innards covered now by one of those little
round covers you can stick on ceilings) and told him that I had been
thinking about putting a ceiling fan there, which I know is normally
very easy when the wires are already in place, but that it had occurred
to me that there might be a problem since what had presumably been the
switch for controlling that former light was now the switch for the
track lighting and that I did not want to have to turn on the track
lighting when turning on the fan.  He said that quite likely in a house
this old there were separate wires up there -- one set tied to the
switch on the wall and another that would make it possible to turn off
and on a fan without involving the wall switch and track lighting.  And
he said that even if that was not the case, the problem could be easily
solved if I have an attic, which I do.  So I plan to pursue the ceiling
fan idea in the not-too-distant future.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> My daughter's on National Health Care in England for the year; she hasn't
> mentioned a fee. Nice for her, because our insurance screwed up on

Some friends of mine planned their first baby-having to coincide with a
year they spent in England.  It was totally free.  That was before
England's rules changed, though.  It was back when even a tourist was
covered.  I'm not sure how it would have worked in their case (there
doing research for a year) if it had been later.  That child, btw,
automatically had both US and British citizenship.  I'm not sure what
his situation is now -- as whether he had to do something upon reaching
twenty-one, which he did a good while back.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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whimsy wrote:

> Natalie does not do layers.

Correct -- except for occasionally wearing a coat.  I don't do that
unless it's extremely cold and I know that I will be outside for longer
than a quick dash somewhere.  I hate coats.  I hate the way they feel on
my body, I hate that they have to be put somewhere upon entering a warm
building, I hate their feel when I'm driving, etc.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> whimsy wrote:
>
> > Natalie does not do layers.
>
> Correct -- except for occasionally wearing a coat.  I don't do that
> unless it's extremely cold and I know that I will be outside for longer
> than a quick dash somewhere.  I hate coats.  I hate the way they feel on
> my body, I hate that they have to be put somewhere upon entering a warm
> building, I hate their feel when I'm driving, etc.

Yo, Natalie, the only time I ever skipped high school was in a
contest of wills with my Dad over whether I would wear a coat
to school. Not only do I hate coats, I also hate shoes and other
impediments to the breeze on my skin. The only reason I don't
still live in the south is that I would have 14 children by now -
Texas made me fertile.

But if you decide Canada has to happen, I'm here to say that,
layered or not, full-spectrum lighting in your house will make
it feel more bearable.

clo

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At 12:00 PM 4/13/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 04/13/2003 3:55:38 AM Central Daylight Time,
>scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
><<
>How mortifying a thing is this, and at a *rehearsal*? Parents
>of "gifted kids" SUCK ...
>
> >>
>
>That's mild compared to some parents of Little Leaguers; those
>parents yell at their kids, other kids, umpires, coaches, etc.

When I was in high school and college I worked at a softball clinic. I
taught 6 and 7 year old girls the basics of softball.

Parents would come to the clinics and follow their kids around from station
to station, dragging the lawn chairs and shouting out their demands.
They  yelled if one girl was given two tries when their daughter wasn't,
when they thought I pitched too fast, called their kid out when any idiot
could see she was safe or didn't call a kid out when she clearly was.

Some parents wanted to know which gloves, bats and batting gloves were best
for their kids. My answer always was, "the cheapest you can find. you're
daughter's six and she's going to grow out of it in two years or she'll
decide she doesn't like softball". Some appreciated the answer but most
wanted to know if Mizuno gloves were better than Wilson gloves.

lisa


>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
>gets the cheese.

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>Sorry.
>
>Same thing happened to me earlier today in an exchange with someone
>else... I want to go to Gerlach, NV in August, but can't
>afford a ticket to the nearest airport. Finally bought a ticket to a
distant
>one, planning to bus or do a car rental. Sent the itinerary to someone who
should
>(I thought) be overjoyed and instead got a response of "why the hell
>did you pick the wrong airport?".
>
>I am absolutely overjoyed that you found the problem, and feel that
>you handled it very well. I wasn't trying to second-guess you; just
>got stuck in retelling my story, thinking of the laughing repairman.
>Congrats, and isn't it neat that you don't have to buy a new fridge?
>
>clo
>

Been to Gerlach, NV. Other then nothing, what is in Gerlach.



alec

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At 10:18 AM 4/15/2003 +0200, Espen Ore wrote:

>Yes, Lichtenstein are making some problems for us in the ongoing
>negotiations between the EU and the EFTA leftovers. (Norway with its five
>million is a giant when the other two members are Lichtenstein and Iceland.)

I was thinking of it more from the logic of the present administration,
i.e., throughout all of the debate over who has, or has not, WOMD,
Lichstenstein has been suspiciously quiet---sheer proof that they are up to
something.

cwv

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >Sorry.
> >
> >Same thing happened to me earlier today in an exchange with someone
> >else... I want to go to Gerlach, NV in August, but can't
> >afford a ticket to the nearest airport. Finally bought a ticket to a
> distant
> >one, planning to bus or do a car rental. Sent the itinerary to someone who
> should
> >(I thought) be overjoyed and instead got a response of "why the hell
> >did you pick the wrong airport?".
> >
> >I am absolutely overjoyed that you found the problem, and feel that
> >you handled it very well. I wasn't trying to second-guess you; just
> >got stuck in retelling my story, thinking of the laughing repairman.
> >Congrats, and isn't it neat that you don't have to buy a new fridge?
> >
> >clo
> >
>
> Been to Gerlach, NV. Other then nothing, what is in Gerlach.
>
> alec

It's the staging point for the last leg to Burning Man.
clo

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> "Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
> >
> > Been to Gerlach, NV. Other then nothing, what is in Gerlach.
> >
> > alec

Why were you in Gerlach?
clo

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>I think it's worse to be cold and unhappy. The short days and dim daylight
>of winter are the worst culprits, imho. Being outside a lot, or using
>full spectrum lighting (I have it in my office, and some at home too)
>helps tremendously.
>clo

People vary.  I love the short days of winter and the low angle of the
sun.  I would not call the daylight in winter "dim" however.  I find there
is a great deal of light in the winter as the sun bounces off the snow and
the white birch trees.  I get depressed in August and feel happy, happy,
happy in February!


    --bonniev

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At 09:36 AM 4/15/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:

>Parents would come to the clinics and follow their kids around from station
>to station, dragging the lawn chairs and shouting out their demands.
>They  yelled if one girl was given two tries when their daughter wasn't,
>when they thought I pitched too fast, called their kid out when any idiot
>could see she was safe or didn't call a kid out when she clearly was.

In rowing, the one set of national team trials that no referee wanted to
work was Junior Nationals (18 yrs and younger---basically high-school
age).  Not only were the young athletes a bit of a pain (we referred to
them as the "just got their testosterone/estrogen set"), many of the
parents were classic in this regard.  They all saw their offspring as a
sure bet to be varsity at a big rowing school (with scholarship, of
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Worlds, when someone saw the discrepancy between his stated age and that on
his passport.  (Now, to compete in any national trials, a valid passport is
the key to the door.)

cwv

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bonniev wrote:

>  I would not call the daylight in winter "dim" however.  I find there
> is a great deal of light in the winter as the sun bounces off the snow and
> the white birch trees.
>
>     --bonniev

I might be thinking of Syracuse there. The wonderful high moisture
content that makes our world so green, also makes it very very
gray.
clo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> But if you decide Canada has to happen, I'm here to say that,
> layered or not, full-spectrum lighting in your house will make
> it feel more bearable.

It's Bonnie and Clyde who are talking about moving to Canada.  I was
using myself as a purely hypothetical example in our discussion of
immigration laws -- a "what if I" thing.

As for how I might handle Canadian weather, I think I could probably
survive in Victoria.

But now it's almost time to turn off the computer and go to the dentist.
:-)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> But now it's almost time to turn off the computer and go to the dentist.
> :-)

Lucky dentist!

:-)

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>>
>> Been to Gerlach, NV. Other then nothing, what is in Gerlach.
>>
>> alec
>
>It's the staging point for the last leg to Burning Man.
>clo
>

Hopefully you flew into Reno, NV not LasVegas, NV



alec

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>bonniev wrote:
> >  I would not call the daylight in winter "dim" however.  I find there
> > is a great deal of light in the winter as the sun bounces off the snow and
> > the white birch trees.
>I might be thinking of Syracuse there. The wonderful high moisture
>content that makes our world so green, also makes it very very
>gray.      --clo

Ah, yes, I see.  Oak Ridge, Tennessee seemed dimmer in the winter than Bar
Harbor, Maine and that, also, was because of the humidity and the constant
rain.


    --bonniev

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>It's Bonnie and Clyde who are talking about moving to Canada.  I was
>using myself as a purely hypothetical example in our discussion of
>immigration laws -- a "what if I" thing.    -- Natalie

Actually, you've done a lot more talking than I have.  I made a mere
mention.   In any case, I'm not moving to Canada because I'm not leaving
this island.  Not now, not ever.  I'm here to stay.


    --bonniev

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Sandra:
> I heard that children born left-handed

<setting the wayback machine to 199-something>

What does it mean to be "born left-handed"?

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Carolyn Ostrander
>Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 10:00 AM
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>
>> "Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Been to Gerlach, NV. Other then nothing, what is in Gerlach.
>> >
>> > alec
>
>Why were you in Gerlach?
>clo
>

My brother was in school in Reno, NV at University of Nevada. We went for a
long drive to see Nevada, we needed a drink, we stopped in Gerlach.


alec

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Alyce:
> Please identify one neo-Nazi remark and its speaker.

On a perhaps related note, David Duke reports
to federal prison in Big Spring, TX today.

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >>
> >> Been to Gerlach, NV. Other then nothing, what is in Gerlach.
> >>
> >> alec
> >
> >It's the staging point for the last leg to Burning Man.
> >clo
> >
>
> Hopefully you flew into Reno, NV not LasVegas, NV
>
> alec

Well, now, there you've hit a tender point. That's what my
interlocutor said, but as it happens, it's far more expensive
to get to Reno than to Las Vegas that particular week (I
have no idea what it costs the rest of the year); so no, I am
planning to sleep on the all-night bus ride from LV to Reno.

clo

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>-----Original Message-----
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>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
>> >>
>> >> Been to Gerlach, NV. Other then nothing, what is in Gerlach.
>> >>
>> >> alec
>> >
>> >It's the staging point for the last leg to Burning Man.
>> >clo
>> >
>>
>> Hopefully you flew into Reno, NV not LasVegas, NV
>>
>> alec
>
>Well, now, there you've hit a tender point. That's what my
>interlocutor said, but as it happens, it's far more expensive
>to get to Reno than to Las Vegas that particular week (I
>have no idea what it costs the rest of the year); so no, I am
>planning to sleep on the all-night bus ride from LV to Reno.
>
>clo
>

Have fun! Have not ridden a Greyhound type bus since 1986.



alec

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Lisa, on parents...
>shouting out their demands.

My experience in these matters is completely
different.  The parents had a self-imposed
(and well-adhered-to) code of behavior.

Perhaps because they were all members of the
same fairly tight-knit community?

Or was it the glowering, cross-armed German
brute on the sidelines?

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> >-----Original Message-----
> >"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
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> Have fun! Have not ridden a Greyhound type bus since 1986.
>
> alec

Thanks! *big grin* I intend to.

I have met some of the most <interesting> people on buses!
clo

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espen:
> Beware, remember the fourth crusade. (1204)

Why single out that one?

--
Richard               1913: 1 section, 14 subsections

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At 06:13 PM 4/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>An article in the Omaha World Herald this morning
>(and credited to the St. Louis Dispatch) told about
>the Iraqis being very confused by the appearance
>of the American soldiers.  They approach a Mexican
>and ask if he's from Kuwait.  A black man was thought
>to be Syrian.  They were more or less flabergasted to
>see Asian type faces.  It's as if they had no idea we
>were a multi-racial country.  They keep approaching
>guys and asking where they are really from.
>I don't know why this surprises me so.
>
>                 - D. M.

I don't believe this.

lisa

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:
> >
> On a perhaps related note, David Duke reports
> to federal prison in Big Spring, TX today.

I thought he'd gone long ago.

alyce

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Maybe it is just me, but I find this very funny. Now if something is not
seen on my monitor it is a "display issue"?

"Currently, Amazon Marketplace listings are experiencing
display issues: the minimum available price for items is
not being displayed on the product detail page, and the
Marketplace listing page is not displaying seller details.
These issues are currently receiving priority attention,
and will be resolved as soon as possible."
----
In short, Amazon is out of the used book business for the moment, I
think.

alyce

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At 06:29 AM 4/15/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>whimsy wrote:
>
> > I'm glad your house didn't burn down.   This document
> > http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/fire83/PDF/f83002.pdf
> > suggests that even if you did have a fire, then there would have
> > been only a 10% chance flames would have spread beyond the room
> > of origin, so I guess we're all a bunch of worry warts!
>
>I clicked on the url, but when acrobat popped up, I knew it was going to
>be something too long and boring.  So I dropped the quest.  Did it
>describe the symptoms I described?  Don't forget that the chucklers
>chuckled about my worrywart friends after I had described how my
>electricity was behaving.  The one who came to my house said as walking
>in that the problem was one of two things -- one would involve the
>outside line, the other the fuse box.  Neither of those would start a
>fire, he said.  But he's just an electrician, not a Wordsler.  If
>Wordslers had been closer around, I could have had them come take care
>of it instead of having to rely on the likes of these electricians.

It's not nice to make fun of your friends who were trying to help you,
Natalie. Next time take your problems someplace else.

BB

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Alyce, on Duke's reservation at the Graybar Hotel:
> I thought he'd gone long ago.

No, he's been out of the USA, out of
the clutches of the g-men (mail fraud
and tax fraud).

Some of his schtick, evidently, plays
well in certain areas of the world.

--
Richard               1913: 1 section, 14 subsections

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The study seemed legit but you make a good point.

Sandra

>         No.  In the age of sonograms at 4 weeks, I doubt there are
> many twins we don't know about.  In any case, Megan and
> Peter have a good chance of being left handed as both my
> brother and I are ambi.
>
> sandra wrote:
>
> > I heard that children born left-handed were proven to have once
> been a twin.
> > Anyone else heard this?
> >
> > Sandra

> >>        Actually, I think most infants do look alike for the most
> >>part.  They look a little more normal because they were
> >>c-sectioned instead of smooshed through the birth canal
> >>(Ana's face looked bruised up for a few days after birth).
> --
> Rita

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> At 06:13 PM 4/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >An article in the Omaha World Herald this morning
> >(and credited to the St. Louis Dispatch) told about
> >the Iraqis being very confused by the appearance
> >of the American soldiers.  They approach a Mexican
> >and ask if he's from Kuwait.  A black man was thought
> >to be Syrian.  They were more or less flabergasted to
> >see Asian type faces.  It's as if they had no idea we
> >were a multi-racial country.  They keep approaching
> >guys and asking where they are really from.
> >I don't know why this surprises me so.
> >
> >                 - D. M.
>
> I don't believe this.
>
> lisa

    I do.  Have you spoken with a recent immigrant?  All they know about
us is the crap they get from Hollywood and their local media.
    And yet they come...

JMW

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John Williams wrote:

>  They keep approaching
> > >guys and asking where they are really from.
> > >I don't know why this surprises me so.
> > >
> > >                 - D. M.
> >
> > I don't believe this.
> >
> > lisa
>
>     I do.  Have you spoken with a recent immigrant?  All they know about
> us is the crap they get from Hollywood and their local media.

?

Aren't Hollywood films full of multi-racial characters?

Kristin

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Y'all enjoy Easter/Passover, etc. I've got friends and family in and 14 for
Easter (thusfar). Lots of eggs to dye with the kids later. And a couple of
nights at Tahoe for Dave and me tonight and tomorrow.

I'll sign on after the weekend.

Sandra

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Kristin:

>John Williams wrote:

> >  They keep approaching
> > > >guys and asking where they are really from.
> > > >I don't know why this surprises me so.
> > > >
> > > >                - D. M.
> > >
> > > I don't believe this.
> > > > > lisa
>
>    > I do.  Have you spoken with a recent immigrant?  All they know about
>  > us is the crap they get from Hollywood and their local media.
>
>?
>
>Aren't Hollywood films full of multi-racial characters?

And the NBA, and MTV and music videos and the Olympics - people in
other countries get their "crap" from all these sources not to mention
online media and CNN and Friends and articles about globalization
ad nausem... I would not generalize about foreign conceptions
of US ethnicity.

-rashmi



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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> > >  They keep approaching
> > > > >guys and asking where they are really from.
> > > > >I don't know why this surprises me so.
> > > > >
> > > > >                - D. M.
> > > >
> > > > I don't believe this.
> > > > > > lisa
> >
> >    > I do.  Have you spoken with a recent immigrant?  All they know about
> >  > us is the crap they get from Hollywood and their local media.
> >
> >?
> >
> >Aren't Hollywood films full of multi-racial characters?
>
> And the NBA, and MTV and music videos and the Olympics - people in
> other countries get their "crap" from all these sources not to mention
> online media and CNN and Friends and articles about globalization
> ad nausem... I would not generalize about foreign conceptions
> of US ethnicity.

However I must say, when I see a person on the street who looks like a
Japanese, I hardly ever think s/he might be an American. Otoh, when I see a
black person, I may think so.

Kristin

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On Monday, April 14, 2003 at 22:51, alyce cresap wrote:

> ...if Syria has any good museums and libraries.

I've been thinking of Iran and the Crown Jewels.

The now-dead father of a friend of mine wrote The book on those
jewels somewhere around 1970. He was a prominent archaeologist; I
hate to think how he'd be feeling at the moment.

Tony H.

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On Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 10:38, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > Have fun! Have not ridden a Greyhound type bus since 1986.

> Thanks! *big grin* I intend to.
>
> I have met some of the most <interesting> people on buses!

Are Larry Kestenbaum's thoughts on inter-city bus travel archived
somewhere? Ah - wait - here it is:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=kestenbaum++bus+group:bit.listserv.w
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(What a bizarre URL - what's the pravda bit about?)

Tony H.

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Where's Karen?

       - D. M.

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Austin, TX

BrP

:-)



> Where's Karen?
>
>        - D. M.

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On Monday, April 14, 2003 at 20:06, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I could score points on level of education and
> experience in "a field," but it is well known that in all levels of
> teaching Canadian schools put foreigners at the bottom of the stack.

This isn't a question of Canadian schools - it's a matter of general
employment policy that applies to all employers. If you want to hire
a foreigner you need to show the powers that be that you can't fill
the position with a Canadian. Since there are zillions of out of work
Canadian professors (or would be professors), only foreigners with
exceptionally distinguished records in hard-to-hire-for fields are
likely to get anywhere. It does happen, in fields like medicine for
instance.

Part of this is also backlash against the situation in the 1960s,
where many many Americans arrived for reasons mostly in one way or
another related to the Vietnam war, and got hired at universities. It
became common for undergrads in the late 60s/early 70s to find that
all of their arts courses were being taught by Americans, who -
through no fault of their own - generally did not bring a Canadian
perspective to the field.

Tony H.

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I must report this before I forget:  someone in Iraq discovered a
huge stash of hidden money, and the Fox reporter -- I didn't
catch her name -- described it as a "kash kashay".  I love it!

Another word question:  I took Daddy to a new Irish pub here, and
one of the menu items was something "wrapped in a boxty".  One
Irishman I asked had never heard the word "boxty" before; another
described it to me as kind of an Irish tortilla.  It's not in my
old OED.  Anyone know it?

brad

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> I must report this before I forget:  someone in Iraq discovered a
> huge stash of hidden money, and the Fox reporter -- I didn't
> catch her name -- described it as a "kash kashay".  I love it!
>
> Another word question:  I took Daddy to a new Irish pub here, and
> one of the menu items was something "wrapped in a boxty".  One
> Irishman I asked had never heard the word "boxty" before; another
> described it to me as kind of an Irish tortilla.  It's not in my
> old OED.  Anyone know it?
>
> brad



                   8 oz/ 250 g/ 1 cup raw potato
                  8 oz/ 250 g/ 1 cup mashed potato
                  8 oz/ 250 g/ 2 cups plain flour
                        1 tsp baking powder
                             1 tsp salt
                    large knob of butter, melted
                 about 1/4 pt/ 125 ml/ 1/2 cup milk

Grate the raw potatoes into a bowl. Turn out onto a cloth and wring, catching
the liquid. This will separate into a clear fluid with starch at the bottom. Pour
off the fluid and scrape out the starch and mix with the grated and mashed
potatoes. Sieve the dry ingredients and mix in along with the melted butter.
Add a little milk if necessary to make a pliable dough. Knead lightly on a
floured surface. Divide into four and form large, flat cakes. Mark each into
quarters but do not cut right through, and bake on a griddle or in a heavy pan.
If liked, more milk and an egg can be added to make a batter which can be
fried in bacon fat like drop scones.
>From the Appletree Press title: A Little Irish Cookbook.

BrP

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From: "Tony Harminc" <tony@harminc.com>
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On Monday, April 14, 2003 at 21:02, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I guess if one simply lived in Canada, without benefits like the health
> care, it would be a good thing from the Canadian pov.  And I assume that
> in the interval between immigration and citizenship one would not have
> the health care.

No - actually the health care kicks in after three months. But that's
for Permanent Residents*, and the trick is in becoming one of those.

* This seems to be a pretty new term - the older and somewhat less
inclusive term that everyone knows is Landed Immigrant. This has been
the subject of some etymological speculation - "landed" is not in the
sense of landed gentry, but of having arrived and been formally
accepted as an immigrant. (This seems to be mostly a Canadianism -
Google has 17,000 hits on "landed immigrant" and 1000 on the same
phrase with "Canada" and "Canadian" excluded, most of which are still
Canadian sites. But there are a few US hits - has it perhaps become
archaic in the US but remains current here?) Permanent Resident
includes various people who are eligible for health care and Canadian
travel documents but who are not Landed Immigrants, e.g. refugees
awaiting determination. And there are none-of-the-aboves who *are*
eligible for health care.

> But after just a few years, one could become a
> Canadian citizen and glean all benefits.  There's something that seems
> not quite right about that to me.  People like Tony are paying high
> taxes for years for the good health care.  That makes me wonder how
> somebody like me could go waltzing into Canada late in life and expect
> to have the benefits that Tony has been paying for for years.

Well, the points systems has an age factor designed to make it much
harder to get in if you are unlikely to work for some years before
retirement. Ant there is a fairly stringent medical exam for
prospective immigrants, so those who are likely to arrive and
promptly relax into the waiting arms of the famous health care system
are discouraged.

Tony H.

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From: "Tony Harminc" <tony@harminc.com>
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On Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 10:49, Espen Ore wrote:

> >Actually, they are as upfront about it as they can be. There is a
> >Canadian  immigration page, that tells you about the criteria; and
> >there is an interactive form that you can work through to see how
> >close you come to meeting it.
> ><http://www.cic.gc.ca/>
> >clo
>
> Aha. Alone and without a prearranged job in Canada I would not manage. But if I had a job or if my wife came with me it would be OK. Or if I became fluent in French.

I've taken that online test a few times, and I've passed and failed,
as I age and as they change the rules. Certainly as aging computer
nerds get less and less useful I become glad I arrived when I was
two. Hmmm... just tried it now, and I exactly hit the pass mark of
75. But that's assuming my self evaluation of my French skills as
"medium" is OK. I may well be overestimating there. Probably when I
hit 50 in November I'll fail again.

Tony H.

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I'm trying to install a new hard drive, and the BIOS tells me:

"Primary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed". I used the
cable that came with the drive, and it's installed properly.

Everything works--except when I tried to format the hard drive,
the software told me it was 40 GB instead of 80 GB.

Any clues?

Karen

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02003-04-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> I'm trying to install a new hard drive, and the BIOS tells me:
>
> "Primary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed". I used the
> cable that came with the drive, and it's installed properly.
>
> Everything works--except when I tried to format the hard drive,
> the software told me it was 40 GB instead of 80 GB.
>
> Any clues?

It's customary to introduce yourself if you are new to the list.
Otherwise, welcome ...

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02003-04-15 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Kristin:
> >John Williams wrote:
> >> > > They keep approaching
> >> > >guys and asking where they are really from.
> >> > >I don't know why this surprises me so.
> >> > >
> >> > >                - D. M.
> >> >
> >> > I don't believe this.
> >> > > > lisa
> >
> > > I do.  Have you spoken with a recent immigrant?  All they know about
> > > us is the crap they get from Hollywood and their local media.
> >
> >?
> >
> >Aren't Hollywood films full of multi-racial characters?
>
> And the NBA, and MTV and music videos and the Olympics - people in
> other countries get their "crap" from all these sources not to mention
> online media and CNN and Friends and articles about globalization
> ad nausem... I would not generalize about foreign conceptions
> of US ethnicity.

I guess we can take it as settled just who has spoken with
recent immigrants.

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>
>I'm trying to install a new hard drive, and the BIOS tells me:
>
>"Primary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed". I used the
>cable that came with the drive, and it's installed properly.
>
>Everything works--except when I tried to format the hard drive,
>the software told me it was 40 GB instead of 80 GB.
>
>Any clues?
>
>Karen
>

Call Karsten. Otherwise, no clue. What OS? Type of drive? Call the drive
manufacurters help line.


alec

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At 04:13 PM 4/15/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>I guess we can take it as settled just who has spoken with
>recent immigrants.

It is entirely likely that to denizens of Arizona, a recent immigrant is
anybody who has just moved there from Iowa.

cwv

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bogris01 wrote:

> Another word question:  I took Daddy to a new Irish pub here, and
> one of the menu items was something "wrapped in a boxty".  One
> Irishman I asked had never heard the word "boxty" before; another
> described it to me as kind of an Irish tortilla.  It's not in my
> old OED.  Anyone know it?

***************
Boxty is a traditional potato dish, celebrated in the rhyme.

                       Boxty on the griddle, boxty in the
                       pan, If you can't make boxty, you'll never
                       get your man
***************
from:
http://www.irelandseye.com/aarticles/culture/recipes/cooking/boxty.shtm

You can find the recipe at that site.

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bonniev wrote:

> People vary.  I love the short days of winter and the low angle of the
> sun.  I would not call the daylight in winter "dim" however.  I find there

People do indeed vary.  As I think I've said here before, if it's going
to be cold, I prefer for it to be gray and gloomy.  I hate cold sunny
days.

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Tuesday, April 15, 2003, 4:14:58 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> Call Karsten. Otherwise, no clue. What OS? Type of drive? Call the drive
> manufacurters help line.

Karsten isn't answering his phone. Windows XP, Maxtor HD, but I
can't see what difference that makes.

Karen

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >It's Bonnie and Clyde who are talking about moving to Canada.  I was
> >using myself as a purely hypothetical example in our discussion of
> >immigration laws -- a "what if I" thing.    -- Natalie
>
> Actually, you've done a lot more talking than I have.  I made a mere
> mention.   In any case, I'm not moving to Canada because I'm not leaving
> this island.  Not now, not ever.  I'm here to stay.

Huh?  I've never said I was considering moving to Canada.  It was Clyde
who said that.  I assumed he meant you also, but perhaps not.


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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Huh?  I've never said I was considering moving to Canada.  It was Clyde
> who said that.  I assumed he meant you also, but perhaps not.

But wait -- it was you, not Clyde, wasn't it?  I can't remember now
which of you said you'd been looking at house ads in Nova Scotia,
thinking of moving there.  Anyway, it was one or the other of you, or
both.

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> Another word question:  I took Daddy to a new Irish pub here, and
> one of the menu items was something "wrapped in a boxty".  One
> Irishman I asked had never heard the word "boxty" before; another
> described it to me as kind of an Irish tortilla.  It's not in my
> old OED.  Anyone know it?

>From Davidson, Alan. Oxford Companion to Food:

Boxty: an Irish variation of potato bread made of grated raw potato, mashed potato, and flour. The name is probably an Aglicization of the Gaelic bacus, a term used to describe an oven or baking implement such as a griddle or pan.

Boxy bread has a particular association with a number of midland and northern counties, especially Cavan, Tyrone, Fermanagh, and Derry.

Boxty pancakes and boxty dumplings are also prepared and the consumption of such was held to augment a girl's marriage prospects:
        Boxty on the griddle,
        Boxty on the pan,
        If you don't eat your boxty,
        You'll never get a man!

...

Marie

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At 04:41 PM 4/15/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Huh?  I've never said I was considering moving to Canada.  It was Clyde
>who said that.  I assumed he meant you also, but perhaps not.

Once again, you are irretrievably incorrect.

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Betty Clark wrote:

> It's not nice to make fun of your friends who were trying to help you,
> Natalie. Next time take your problems someplace else.

I haven't been making fun of anybody.  But I did find it funny this
afternoon when I was visiting with Dan Camp and telling him the story.
When I got to the part about calling Doss Electric and telling the man
who answered that my e-mail friends said my house might burn down, Dan
said, "I bet he laughed."

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John Williams wrote:

>     I do.  Have you spoken with a recent immigrant?  All they know about
> us is the crap they get from Hollywood and their local media.

But aren't movies full of various ethnicities?

>     And yet they come...

Why yet?  I think we've talked here before about how so many movies make
everybody in the US appear to be living high on the hog.

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> > Actually, you've done a lot more talking than I have.  I made a mere
> > mention.   In any case, I'm not moving to Canada because I'm not leaving
> > this island.  Not now, not ever.  I'm here to stay.
>
>Huh?  I've never said I was considering moving to Canada.  It was Clyde
>who said that.  I assumed he meant you also, but perhaps not.
>  -- Natalie

I believe it was me.  I asked the question about DeCoste kitchens because I
was looking at Nova Scotia real estate when I was bored on Saturday
afternoon.  After Pete sent me to a web page about DeCoste, I dropped the
discussion.  You then started asking all kinds of questions about the
technicalities of moving to Canada.  Thus, you talked about it much more
than I did.  Pay attention.  I get tired of recapping conversations around
here.


    --bonniev

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Tony Harminc wrote:

> Well, the points systems has an age factor designed to make it much
> harder to get in if you are unlikely to work for some years before
> retirement. Ant there is a fairly stringent medical exam for
> prospective immigrants, so those who are likely to arrive and
> promptly relax into the waiting arms of the famous health care system
> are discouraged.

Ah so.  I figured there had to be some way to keep a bunch of retirees
from pouring in.

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bonniev wrote:

> I believe it was me.  I asked the question about DeCoste kitchens because I
> was looking at Nova Scotia real estate when I was bored on Saturday
> afternoon.  After Pete sent me to a web page about DeCoste, I dropped the
> discussion.  You then started asking all kinds of questions about the
> technicalities of moving to Canada.  Thus, you talked about it much more
> than I did.  Pay attention.  I get tired of recapping conversations around
> here.

Yes, I realized it was you right after sending the above.  Iirc, I sent
an immediate followup saying that.  I think the reason I was confused
for a minute was your "not leaving this island" above.

And I know that I got interested in the technicalities of moving to
Canada and asked lots of questions on that subject because I find
subjects of that kind interesting.  Our "its" are obviously not the same
when you say that I "talked about it" much more than you did.  I talked
about the topic of immigration details.  I never said I was considering
moving there.  Pay attention.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> It is entirely likely that to denizens of Arizona, a recent immigrant is
> anybody who has just moved there from Iowa.

    What is with you?  I have never said anything against you, your
lifestyle, political beliefs, or choice of abode.  Leave me alone.  This is
approaching pathological levels.

JMW

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02003-04-15 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >  In fact I had friends even in high school who wanted
> > to go, specifically because there are unlimited opportunities
> > to prosper. It's always been like this.)
>
> The myth of a newspaper-selling boy becoming a millioneer (a milliardeer
> in these days, I guess) still seems to work.

#1: I don't think anybody uses the word "milliard".

#2: The myth may be operative at some level but these kids
certainly did not intend to go as "newspaper boy". It was
quite a bit more sordid than that ...

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02003-04-15 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Maybe it is just me, but I find this very funny. Now if something is not
> seen on my monitor it is a "display issue"?
>
> "Currently, Amazon Marketplace listings are experiencing
> display issues: the minimum available price for items is
> not being displayed on the product detail page, and the
> Marketplace listing page is not displaying seller details.
> These issues are currently receiving priority attention,
> and will be resolved as soon as possible."
> ----
> In short, Amazon is out of the used book business for the moment, I
> think.

How about "priority attention"? Then again, how else would you
word it? You would have to rewrite the whole sentence, and that's
a bit too much to ask of a word processor ...

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Thank you again, Alyce.   Wow, that's a lot of yarn.  The Lopi yarn is
beautiful.  I just finished a sweater for someone out of that kind of yarn,
different color.   The three Mary Maxim kits are interesting.  I feel like
I have a glimpse into your life.  Were you going to make matching Christmas
sweaters for someone?  There are two kits, one of which is started and
still on the needle.  The sheep sweater Mary Maxim kit is actually a
pattern I once ordered also.  And the sweater-in-pieces should be easy
enough to finish.  I'm getting the impression that you didn't know how to
sew pieces together or add on collars.

In any case, thank you very much.  I shall try to put the yarn to a good
use, although I may be at if for quite awhile.  That's a lot of yarn!


    --bonniev

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John Williams wrote:
>
> "clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> > It is entirely likely that to denizens of Arizona, a recent immigrant is
> > anybody who has just moved there from Iowa.
>
>     What is with you?  I have never said anything against you, your
> lifestyle, political beliefs, or choice of abode.  Leave me alone.  This is
> approaching pathological levels.

Haven't you taken Psych 101?  The need to throw in people's places of
living is one thing that has always intrigued me, though.  I don't
remember that from Psych.  It's something I've been meaning to ask Psych
friends about for ages but keep forgetting.

--
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sunday, April 13, 2003 at 17:36, Betty wrote:

> Janet is there with Tony this week end. I hope she will write a WHTM.

Um, well, it seems to be up to me. Actually she wasn't in Toronto for
the weekend; she was at a conference a couple of hours from here in
what is ski country in the winter, golf country in the summer, and
mud and slush country about now.

She came to town, we met for coffee in a suitably funky part of town,
we talked a bunch (though amazingly, I don't think we dissed the list
at all), then we walked for quite a long time towards downtown,
through streets in that strange, almost dusty state of having had
snow cover only a couple of days before and now finding themselves
suddenly exposed to the warm spring breezes and rollerbladers, don't
quite know how to behave.

We agreed that Toronto feels a lot like SF, except for the snow. She
could even live here, except for the snow, she thinks.

She changed money, she bought chocolate, she bought a silver chain
from a street vendor who was astonished that she didn't bargain, she
got a cab to the airport, and she left.

It was fun.

Tony H.

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I was thinking about going to hear the Preservation Hall Band tonight
but then dawdled around, thinking that I didn't want to go anywhere
tonight.  I should've gone -- to inspire me with thoughts of moving to
BSL.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 07:30 PM 4/15/2003 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote:
>On Sunday, April 13, 2003 at 17:36, Betty wrote:
>
> > Janet is there with Tony this week end. I hope she will write a WHTM.
>
>Um, well, it seems to be up to me. Actually she wasn't in Toronto for
>the weekend; she was at a conference a couple of hours from here in
>what is ski country in the winter, golf country in the summer, and
>mud and slush country about now.
>
>She came to town, we met for coffee in a suitably funky part of town,
>we talked a bunch (though amazingly, I don't think we dissed the list
>at all), then we walked for quite a long time towards downtown,
>through streets in that strange, almost dusty state of having had
>snow cover only a couple of days before and now finding themselves
>suddenly exposed to the warm spring breezes and rollerbladers, don't
>quite know how to behave.
>
>We agreed that Toronto feels a lot like SF, except for the snow. She
>could even live here, except for the snow, she thinks.
>
>She changed money, she bought chocolate, she bought a silver chain
>from a street vendor who was astonished that she didn't bargain, she
>got a cab to the airport, and she left.
>
>It was fun.

Thanks, Tony.  Now it is your turn to come to San Francisco again!  Are you
and your family planning on Maine?

Betty

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At 07:07 PM 4/15/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I was thinking about going to hear the Preservation Hall Band tonight
>but then dawdled around, thinking that I didn't want to go anywhere
>tonight.  I should've gone -- to inspire me with thoughts of moving to
>BSL.

We bought a Preservation Hall Jazz Band CD when we visited.  I just put it
in now to listen to again.  I want to go back to New Orleans!

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> We bought a Preservation Hall Jazz Band CD when we visited.  I just put it
> in now to listen to again.  I want to go back to New Orleans!

If I were a night person, I could've just stayed in my office, and right
now I'd hear them beginning their concert since it's in the auditorium
in my building.  That would be fun -- just lurking up there listening
without being part of the official audience.

At lunch today I asked how they could be touring and also at home in NO
at the same time, and I learned that they are three bands, that two are
always on tour and one in NO -- the three rotating in those roles.  I
also learned that they now charge an entrance fee in NO instead of the
old days when they simply had a basket sitting there for contributions.
The last time I was there was the basket days.  Twas a long time ago.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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One of the problems is that my current hard drive (which is a
Western Digital) and the Maxtor drive cable exactly opposite; I
don't know why, I only know that this is the only way I don't get
an error. This problem I solved myself.

The other problem (that I don't remember if I mentioned) was that
the drive only showed as a 32GB instead of 80GB; I solved that
with the help of Maxtor. (Alec was right to tell me to call.)

Karen

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At 07:34 PM 4/15/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > We bought a Preservation Hall Jazz Band CD when we visited.  I just put it
> > in now to listen to again.  I want to go back to New Orleans!
>
>If I were a night person, I could've just stayed in my office, and right
>now I'd hear them beginning their concert since it's in the auditorium
>in my building.  That would be fun -- just lurking up there listening
>without being part of the official audience.
>
>At lunch today I asked how they could be touring and also at home in NO
>at the same time, and I learned that they are three bands, that two are
>always on tour and one in NO -- the three rotating in those roles.  I
>also learned that they now charge an entrance fee in NO instead of the
>old days when they simply had a basket sitting there for contributions.
>The last time I was there was the basket days.  Twas a long time ago.

It was still basket days when we were there in April 2000.

Betty

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Where do y'all order CDs?  What site has the lowest prices with a good
selection?
--
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 07:27 PM 4/15/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>One of the problems is that my current hard drive (which is a
>Western Digital) and the Maxtor drive cable exactly opposite; I
>don't know why, I only know that this is the only way I don't get
>an error. This problem I solved myself.
>
>The other problem (that I don't remember if I mentioned) was that
>the drive only showed as a 32GB instead of 80GB; I solved that
>with the help of Maxtor. (Alec was right to tell me to call.)

Interesting stuff.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> It was still basket days when we were there in April 2000.

That's interesting.  Makes me wonder whether the person talking about
the change knew whereof he spoke.  We had a huge group at the table
today, and the NO natives were far away from this particular
conversation, which got started because several of us had seen the
Preservation Hall wildly painted bus pulling into campus as we were
walking toward the cafeteria.   Not that the natives would necessarily
know what was happening at Preservation Hall, of course, but they
might.  The person who offered that tidbit about the change is a
long-retired professor of Sociology who was born in Brazil -- or maybe
Peru -- maybe it's his wife who was born in Brazil.

--
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> Where do y'all order CDs?  What site has the lowest prices with a good
> selection?

Amazon.com. Barnesandnoble.com

I used to order from CDnow.com, but they got absorbed by Amazon. *sigh*

There are lots of indie places like cdbaby.com. If you're looking for stuff
that you can't find anywhere else, try gemm.com.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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I have no knowledge about the source, just forwarding what came to the
cognitive linguistics list.

I don't generally pass stuff on, but - well, I am breaking my rule this
once.
clo

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Hello Everyone,

This obviously isn't an email about anaphora or copulas. Nevertheless,
I figured that if there was a community who would care about this, it
would be language scholars.

Monica

> Robert Fisk: Library books, letters and priceless documents are set
> ablaze in final chapter of the sacking of Baghdad
> 15 April 2003
>
>
> So yesterday was the burning of books. First came the looters, then
> the arsonists. It was the final chapter in the sacking of Baghdad. The
> National Library and Archives ­ a priceless treasure of Ottoman
> historical documents, including the old royal archives of Iraq ­ were
> turned to ashes in 3,000 degrees of heat. Then the library of Korans
> at the Ministry of Religious Endowment was set ablaze.
>
> I saw the looters. One of them cursed me when I tried to reclaim a
> book of Islamic law from a boy of no more than 10. Amid the ashes of
> Iraqi history, I found a file blowing in the wind outside: pages of
> handwritten letters between the court of Sharif Hussein of Mecca, who
> started the Arab revolt against the Turks for Lawrence of Arabia, and
> the Ottoman rulers of Baghdad.
>
> And the Americans did nothing. All over the filthy yard they blew,
> letters of recommendation to the courts of Arabia, demands for
> ammunition for troops, reports on the theft of camels and attacks on
> pilgrims, all in delicate hand-written Arabic script. I was holding in
> my hands the last Baghdad vestiges of Iraq's written history. But for
> Iraq, this is Year Zero; with the destruction of the antiquities in
> the Museum of Archaeology on Saturday and the burning of the National
> Archives and then the Koranic library, the cultural identity of Iraq
> is being erased. Why? Who set these fires? For what insane purpose is
> this heritage being destroyed?
>
> When I caught sight of the Koranic library burning ­ flames 100 feet
> high were bursting from the windows ­ I raced to the offices of the
> occupying power, the US Marines' Civil Affairs Bureau. An officer
> shouted to a colleague that "this guy says some biblical [sic] library
> is on fire". I gave the map location, the precise name ­ in Arabic and
> English. I said the smoke could be seen from three miles away and it
> would take only five minutes to drive there. Half an hour later, there
> wasn't an American at the scene ­ and the flames were shooting 200
> feet into the air.
>
> There was a time when the Arabs said that their books were written in
> Cairo, printed in Beirut and read in Baghdad. Now they burn libraries
> in Baghdad. In the National Archives were not just the Ottoman records
> of the Caliphate, but even the dark years of the country's modern
> history, handwritten accounts of the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war, with
> personal photographs and military diaries,and microfiche copies of
> Arabic newspapers going back to the early 1900s.
>
> But the older files and archives were on the upper floors of the
> library where petrol must have been used to set fire so expertly to
> the building. The heat was such that the marble flooring had buckled
> upwards and the concrete stairs that I climbedhad been cracked.
>
> The papers on the floor were almost too hot to touch, bore no print or
> writing, and crumbled into ash the moment I picked them up. Again,
> standing in this shroud of blue smoke and embers, I asked the same
> question: why?
>
> So, as an all-too-painful reflection on what this means, let me quote
> from the shreds of paper that I found on the road outside, blowing in
> the wind, written by long-dead men who wrote to the Sublime Porte in
> Istanbul or to the Court of Sharif of Mecca with expressions of
> loyalty and who signed themselves "your slave". There was a request to
> protect a camel convoy of tea, rice and sugar, signed by Husni Attiya
> al-Hijazi (recommending Abdul Ghani-Naim and Ahmed Kindi as honest
> merchants), a request for perfume and advice from Jaber al-Ayashi of
> the royal court of Sharif Hussein to Baghdad to warn of robbers in the
> desert. "This is just to give you our advice for which you will be
> highly rewarded," Ayashi says. "If you don't take our advice, then we
> have warned you." A touch of Saddam there, I thought. The date was
> 1912.
>
> Some of the documents list the cost of bullets, military horses and
> artillery for Ottoman armies in Baghdad and Arabia, others record the
> opening of the first telephone exchange in the Hejaz ­ soon to be
> Saudi Arabia ­ while one recounts, from the village of Azrak in
> modern-day Jordan, the theft of clothes from a camel train by Ali bin
> Kassem, who attacked his interrogators "with a knife and tried to stab
> them but was restrained and later bought off". There is a 19th-century
> letter of recommendation for a merchant, Yahyia Messoudi, "a man of
> the highest morals, of good conduct and who works with the [Ottoman]
> government." This, in other words, was the tapestry of Arab history ­
> all that is left of it, which fell into The Independent's hands as the
> mass of documents crackled in the immense heat of the ruins.
>
> King Faisal of the Hejaz, the ruler of Mecca, whose staff are the
> authors of many of the letters I saved, was later deposed by the
> Saudis. His son Faisel became king of Iraq ­ Winston Churchill gave
> him Baghdad after the French threw him out of Damascus ­ and his
> brother Abdullah became the first king of Jordan, the father of King
> Hussein and the grandfather of the present-day Jordanian monarch, King
> Abdullah II.
>
> For almost a thousand years, Baghdad was the cultural capital of the
> Arab world, the most literate population in the Middle East. Genghis
> Khan's grandson burnt the city in the 13th century and, so it was
> said, the Tigris river ran black with the ink of books. Yesterday, the
> black ashes of thousands of ancient documents filled the skies of
> Iraq. Why?
>
>
> © 2003 Independent Digital (UK) Ltd
>
>
> http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=397350
>
>

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So that the form takes as many risks as the content --

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Amazon.com. Barnesandnoble.com

Thanks!  I had already been playing on amazon.com -- playing and
playing.  In fact, I had just hopped back over here to tell y'all about
the fun I'm having.  I turned on my speakers, which are normally off,
and am having a great time playing samples from CDs.  Is Al Hirt still
alive?

Thanks also for the other tips, Adam.  I'm filing this reply for future
reference.

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That is what I want to know.

B

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> I don't generally pass stuff on, but - well, I am breaking my rule this
> once.

Thank you and I hate you.  (Note for the literalists:  I do not hate
Clo.  "I hate you" is sometimes used as a cliche for things like hating
what somebody has just told you or shown you.)  I was sitting here
grooving to Pete Fountain and Al Hirt via Amazon.  Occasionally I was
feeling a few tears of the nostalgic kind -- memories, etc.  Those tears
changed when I read Clo's posting to heavy tears of despair at one more
of the horrors we have been witnessing.

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Can't find part 4.

Betty

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I remember as a fairly young child thinking that if I had a choice of
being blind or deaf, I'd choose blind because music didn't require
eyes.  It's true.  Anyway, I just ordered four cds:

        1 of: "Al Hirt - All-Time Greatest Hits, Vol. 1"
        Delivery estimate: April 22 - April 23

        1 of: Marching Down Bourbon Street
        Delivery estimate: April 22 - April 23

        1 of: The Best of Pete Fountain
        Delivery estimate: April 23 - April 28

        1 of: Dixieland Classics, Vol. 1
        Delivery estimate: April 23 - April 28

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Setting nomail as I'm off for a few days to the farm in Vermont. I'll be
back either Sunday night or Monday.

--Adam
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Kristin Sarv writes,

>The analyst asks whether our government can recognize that the war can, in
>a way, be seen as held between the USA and Europe because of their
>economical interests.

An article that expresses that viewpoint:

The real reasons America is invading Iraq
March 20 2003
<http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/19/1047749824415.html>

Excerpt: "It would be fatal to America's global strategic ambitions if
countries in Europe began to ask for euros instead of US dollars for their
exports, or if China demanded settlement of their accounts with the US in
yuan instead of US dollars. The US would have to redirect domestic demand
for imported goods paid for in dollar-denominated IOUs into exports to earn
yuan and euros to pay for US imports."

Its conclusion, and one of the reasons I think the Administration is
particularly stupid:

"Bush personifies the American quest for absolute security. Americans don't
yet understand or care that this status can only be achieved by making
everybody else absolutely insecure.  This is why the most lasting thing to
come out of the war with Iraq is likely to be the faster development of a
unified Western Europe and an economically powerful China to challenge US
hegemony."

Pete

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On 15 Apr 2003 at 19:05, Betty wrote:

> Can't find part 4.

It's in the UGA archive.

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Carolyn Ostrander writes,

>so no, I am planning to sleep on the all-night bus ride from LV to Reno.

I grew up in Sparks, NV.

Las Vegas, at 450 miles away, is a weird place to fly into Reno, unless
you're really jonesing for a highway & sagebrush fix.  (Which I can
understand, having grown up driving long distances through the
desert.)  Note that SLC->Gerlach is 450 miles, too, and that route would
have similar sparse beauty.

If you're just killing time, though, there are closer airports.

The Bay Area has three good airports (OAK, SFO, SJC), the farthest of which
is 250 miles away -- and you'd have a much better chance of grabbing a
shared ride or a gambler's special.  (Not to mention getting to see the
BAWLers!)

Pete

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steph:

>been only a 10% chance flames would have spread beyond the room
>of origin, so I guess we're all a bunch of worry warts!

Guess I should confess that I was never for a second worried for Natalie's
safety,
her house burning down etc etc and was surprised to see so many wordslurs
react with alarm. Seems like we go thro' these dramatics every so often.

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At 08:31 PM 4/15/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>Carolyn Ostrander writes,
>
>>so no, I am planning to sleep on the all-night bus ride from LV to Reno.
>
>I grew up in Sparks, NV.
>
>Las Vegas, at 450 miles away, is a weird place to fly into Reno, unless
>you're really jonesing for a highway & sagebrush fix.  (Which I can
>understand, having grown up driving long distances through the
>desert.)  Note that SLC->Gerlach is 450 miles, too, and that route would
>have similar sparse beauty.
>
>If you're just killing time, though, there are closer airports.
>
>The Bay Area has three good airports (OAK, SFO, SJC), the farthest of which
>is 250 miles away -- and you'd have a much better chance of grabbing a
>shared ride or a gambler's special.  (Not to mention getting to see the
>BAWLers!)

And how could you pass that up?

Betty

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At 03:35 AM 4/16/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>steph:
>
>>been only a 10% chance flames would have spread beyond the room
>>of origin, so I guess we're all a bunch of worry warts!
>
>Guess I should confess that I was never for a second worried for Natalie's
>safety,
>her house burning down etc etc and was surprised to see so many wordslurs
>react with alarm. Seems like we go thro' these dramatics every so often.

Keeps the blood flowing and it's entertaining.  :-)  Besides, the cold
shower was worth it all.

Betty

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At 05:08 PM 4/15/2003 -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>On 15 Apr 2003 at 19:05, Betty wrote:
>
> > Can't find part 4.
>
>It's in the UGA archive.


Thank you.

Betty

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Tony Harminc writes,

>(What a bizarre URL - what's the pravda bit about?)

It's the Message-ID of the article, which is the key they use to retrieve
it.  You could strip off all but that:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4lf6vr%24bic%40pravda.aa.msen.com

Pete

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clo:

>Robert Fisk: Library books, letters and priceless documents are set
>ablaze in final chapter of the sacking of Baghdad
>15 April 2003

If you were a blogger you'd know this guy's reputation has been
thoroughly trashed. Nothing he writes is to be trusted. The bloggers
have spoken.

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At 05:08 PM 4/15/2003 -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>On 15 Apr 2003 at 19:05, Betty wrote:
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> > Can't find part 4.
>
>It's in the UGA archive.


You don't have permission to access /docs/words-l/Archives/ on this server.

:-(

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On 15 Apr 2003 at 20:53, Betty wrote:

> You don't have permission to access /docs/words-l/Archives/ on this
> server.

Excuse my ambiguity. Go to the UGA listserv web interface and
search the Words-l messages for the ones you're seeking. That make
sense?

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Kristin Sarv writes:

>The analyst asks whether our government can recognize that the war can, in
>a way, be seen as held between the USA and Europe because of their
>economical interests.

This is my favorite conspiracy theory regarding the war. Apparently Iraq was
the first nation to seriously threaten to sell oil for Euros, not US
Dollars. At first
it wasn't considered a big deal but then Iran said they would watch and see
whether the Euro might be better for them. Russia wants to trade in Euros
and
of course the European nations that opposed the war have an interest. If
OPEC members start demanding payment in Euros rather than dollars, and
countries started dumping dollars for Euros, the US, a big debtor nation,
would be in serious financial trouble.

This, in addition to 9/11, WMD, Saddam being a cruel dictator is why Iraq
had
to be given a big thumping so that therewould be no more talk of trading oil
in
Euros. This is the real "maybe it's about oil".

-rashmi, vector of conspiracy theories



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D.M:

>  > >But think numbers, in relation to population.
>  >
> > Sorry, what? I don't know what you mean here.
> > Numbers of what? I don't get this at all.

>The size of his audience, those who dig his show.

Howard Stern has a huge audience much larger than the three
cable networks, for example. He's widely syndicated and
heard all over the country. I think he perfectly represents the
feelings of a *large* majority of the country about the war,
the Arabs, let's kick some ass feeling etc. (Dennis Miller said
pretty much the same on The Daily Show.)
I'm not sure why you find Stern's views unrepresentative.

My favorite line while they were discussing the fall of Baghdad:
"I'm so glad those voting machines in Florida didn't work
properly"!! Howard didn't say this. It was one of his sidekicks.

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Tushar:

>Howard Stern's listeners may well be little weenies with numerous
>resentments in life. Of course, you are a listener too, but for
>some reason you don't call ...

It's too early in the day for me. I have to be at work - no time to
hang around making phone calls. I should call in some day. He'd
have a field day with my name ...

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02003-04-15 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> Its conclusion, and one of the reasons I think the Administration is
> particularly stupid:
>
> "Bush personifies the American quest for absolute security. Americans don't
> yet understand or care that this status can only be achieved by making
> everybody else absolutely insecure.  This is why the most lasting thing to
> come out of the war with Iraq is likely to be the faster development of a
> unified Western Europe and an economically powerful China to challenge US
> hegemony."

That does have a grain-of-truth sound to it ... roughly speaking, that
would be "stupid" because it errs on scale--security for a small group
in a huge population is totally different from "security" for half or
more of the population. If you know what I mean ... it's the flip side
of the "nobody left to say f*** you to" situation this government is
heading towards.

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Betty:

>Keeps the blood flowing and it's entertaining.  :-)  Besides, the cold
>shower was worth it all.

If something horrible should happen some day I'll be very
sorry I didn't give Natalie's posts the attention they deserve.

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In a message dated 4/15/2003 10:02:47 PM, rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< This, in addition to 9/11, WMD, Saddam being a cruel dictator is why Iraq
had
to be given a big thumping so that therewould be no more talk of trading oil
in
Euros. This is the real "maybe it's about oil".

-rashmi, vector of conspiracy theories
 >>

Interesting theory............ Theo

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On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> steph:
>
> >been only a 10% chance flames would have spread beyond the room
> >of origin, so I guess we're all a bunch of worry warts!
>
> Guess I should confess that I was never for a second worried for Natalie's
> safety,
> her house burning down etc etc and was surprised to see so many wordslurs
> react with alarm. Seems like we go thro' these dramatics every so often.
>
> -rashmi
>

Confession duly noted, although I didn't see anyone reacting with alarm,
myself included; but of course, tone of voice not being available in
email, what I read as storytelling, information-giving, sarcasm, advice
and  repetition of previous statements for clarity, could I suppose be
alarm -

myself excepted, of course, because I know what I was doing, which was
telling whtm and then clarifying as other comments about my story differed
from what I actually experienced. But that's the trap we fall into a lot
here.
:-}

clo

PS - the guy who came from NiMo about ten years later laughed at me too,
until I lit my tap water on fire for him and his little meter indeed
confirmed that I had a natural gas pocket in my well. He then backed out
of my driveway rather quickly! (and no, it's not a Shoshana story - lucky
us, we had bought a house on top of a geological oddity that extended
for about 20 square miles and I talked to abt a dozen other families who
had gone through this with their wells)

I'm ok w/ being safe instead of sorry, and very clear on the difference
between caution and alarm.

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> >The size of his audience, those who dig his show.
>
> Howard Stern has a huge audience much larger than the three
> cable networks, for example. He's widely syndicated and
> heard all over the country. I think he perfectly represents the
> feelings of a *large* majority of the country about the war,
> the Arabs, let's kick some ass feeling etc. (Dennis Miller said
> pretty much the same on The Daily Show.)
> I'm not sure why you find Stern's views unrepresentative.

I don't think he has a larger audience than the three
cable networks.  I find that next to impossible to believe.
But then, what do you call the three cable networks?


I don't know his views on the war because I have not
listened to him but a few times . . enough to find him
way too far off the wall.  I don't know one soul who
listens to him, nor do any of the young people I know
listen to him.  They just think he's goofy.

Howard Stern does not perfectly represent the feelings
of people around here.  I'm afraid we took the whole
thing much more seriously than that.  (Did he actually
quit inspecting boobs and crotches long enough to talk
about the war?)

I also wouldn't put Dennis Miller and Howard Stern
in the same category.

                                   - D. M.
>
> -rashmi

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On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander writes,
>
> >so no, I am planning to sleep on the all-night bus ride from LV to Reno.
>
> I grew up in Sparks, NV.

Cool. I have never been to the southwest, and only spent one weekend in
CA, attending a board meeting in SFran. So any or all would be a cool
adventure

> Las Vegas, at 450 miles away, is a weird place to fly into Reno, unless
> you're really jonesing for a highway & sagebrush fix.  (Which I can
> understand, having grown up driving long distances through the
> desert.)  Note that SLC->Gerlach is 450 miles, too, and that route would
> have similar sparse beauty.


> If you're just killing time, though, there are closer airports.
>
> The Bay Area has three good airports (OAK, SFO, SJC), the farthest of which
> is 250 miles away -- and you'd have a much better chance of grabbing a
> shared ride or a gambler's special.  (Not to mention getting to see the
> BAWLers!)
>
> Pete
>
Thanks. Now if I can find a less expensive ticket to change to at one of
those closer airports, I will be all set. Wish I had remembered that
IMMFTATL!

clo

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> >Carolyn Ostrander writes,
> >
> >>so no, I am planning to sleep on the all-night bus ride from LV to Reno.
> >
> At 08:31 PM 4/15/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> >The Bay Area has three good airports (OAK, SFO, SJC), the farthest of which
> >is 250 miles away -- and you'd have a much better chance of grabbing a
> >shared ride or a gambler's special.  (Not to mention getting to see the
> >BAWLers!)

On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:
> And how could you pass that up?
>

It's more of a question of, now how can I make that happen?

But I am also learning some meetings just are not meant to be - /Jim,
Judith, and Adam were all - so close and yet so far!

clo

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On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> clo:
>
> >Robert Fisk: Library books, letters and priceless documents are set
> >ablaze in final chapter of the sacking of Baghdad
> >15 April 2003
>
> If you were a blogger you'd know this guy's reputation has been
> thoroughly trashed. Nothing he writes is to be trusted. The bloggers
> have spoken.
>

Thanks. You're right, I am not a blogger. Please tell me, what information
about reliability should I pass back to the person who sent it to cogling?

clo

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On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> I don't know one soul who
> listens to him, nor do any of the young people I know
> listen to him.  They just think he's goofy.

We have enforced Stern listening on campus buses around here in the early
am, because it's what the bus drivers seem to prefer. Up till I started
the commute by bus, I used to be ok with early morning conversation. Now,
I try to think about things that are far, far away...
clo

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Carolyn writes,

>Cool. I have never been to the southwest, and only spent one weekend in
>CA, attending a board meeting in SFran.

Las Vegas is very marginally Southwest; Reno/Sparks is entirely West.

California has a large variety of world-class cool stuff.

Pete

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-04-15 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
= > Tushar Samant wrote:
= >
= > >  In fact I had friends even in high school who wanted
= > > to go, specifically because there are unlimited opportunities
= > > to prosper. It's always been like this.)
= >
= > The myth of a newspaper-selling boy becoming a millioneer (a milliardeer
= > in these days, I guess) still seems to work.
=
= #1: I don't think anybody uses the word "milliard".
=

I'll have to ask the brit-speakers tonight.  We're going to the
pub to see the Arsenal - Man Utd. game tonight.  After the
whupping Newcastle took over the weekend the boss says, "Anyone
who cheers Man Utd, don't bother coming to work the next day ;-)"

But it is what the Dutch use for a billion  - a miljard.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> Betty:
>
> >Keeps the blood flowing and it's entertaining.  :-)  Besides, the cold
> >shower was worth it all.
>
> If something horrible should happen some day I'll be very
> sorry I didn't give Natalie's posts the attention they deserve.

? Your wording suggests that *I* was the one dramaticizing the situation
since <something horrible> might happen.  I guess it depends on how you
define "horrible," but to me the possible <horrors> were inconveniences
or expenses, not death and destruction.  I was describing the symptoms
in search of education about possible causes.  Many of us have done that
with many such situations through the years, and I have learned much
from Wordslers about electrical, telephonical, and other topics.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> > Guess I should confess that I was never for a second worried for Natalie's
> > safety,
> > her house burning down etc etc and was surprised to see so many wordslurs
> > react with alarm. Seems like we go thro' these dramatics every so often.
> >
> > -rashmi
>
> Confession duly noted, although I didn't see anyone reacting with alarm,
> myself included; but of course, tone of voice not being available in
> email, what I read as storytelling, information-giving, sarcasm, advice
> and  repetition of previous statements for clarity, could I suppose be
> alarm -

I can't remember now all the specifics of who said what, but I remember
finding your story interesting and educational, not alarmful.  The ones
I found funny were the ones that seemed to be saying that I was so
stupid or mutant or whatever that I just didn't realize that my house
was on the verge of exploding, and the ones that, even after the
electrician had solved the problem, implied that the electricians didn't
understand the risks involved.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > I don't know one soul who
> > listens to him, nor do any of the young people I know
> > listen to him.  They just think he's goofy.
>
> We have enforced Stern listening on campus buses around here in the early
> am, because it's what the bus drivers seem to prefer. Up till I started
> the commute by bus, I used to be ok with early morning conversation. Now,
> I try to think about things that are far, far away...

I've heard his name but don't know anything about him.  What kind of
radio station(s) is he on?  I don't turn on noisemakers in my house in
the mornings, but I do always have my car radio on when heading to
campus around 7:00.  What I normally hear in the short drive is a little
bit of NPR national news and a little bit of PRM state news.

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I didn\'t read the whole article -- it\'s long, and I looked at the clock and realized I\'ve gotta get moving.  But I thought some of you might enjoy reading it re our recent discussion of Al.
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Do our candidates in the US indicate a gender when running for office?
I found this story in the Daily Yomiuri interesting:

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/newse/20030416wo02.htm

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PS: Maybe Akio knows him/her.  That's his neighborhood -- Setagaya.

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On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > We have enforced Stern listening on campus buses around here in the early
> > am, because it's what the bus drivers seem to prefer. Up till I started
> > the commute by bus, I used to be ok with early morning conversation. Now,
> > I try to think about things that are far, far away...
>
> I've heard his name but don't know anything about him.  What kind of
> radio station(s) is he on?

Um, here, he's on a rock station, a "70's and 80's" station, and a news
station, plus his cable tv show at abt 10 at night or so that afact is on
all night, punctuated by episodes of something called "Anna Nicole".

clo

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At 05:53 PM 04/15/2003 -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>On 15 Apr 2003 at 20:53, Betty wrote:
>
>> You don't have permission to access /docs/words-l/Archives/ on this
>> server.
>
>Excuse my ambiguity. Go to the UGA listserv web interface and
>search the Words-l messages for the ones you're seeking. That make
>sense?

Still no luck.  It was a what happened to us instead of what happened to
me.  I haven't looked long though.  I have to get to work and get off
Larry's computer. I'm sounded Natalie like.

Betty

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 8:27 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>One of the problems is that my current hard drive (which is a
>Western Digital) and the Maxtor drive cable exactly opposite; I
>don't know why, I only know that this is the only way I don't get
>an error. This problem I solved myself.
>
>The other problem (that I don't remember if I mentioned) was that
>the drive only showed as a 32GB instead of 80GB; I solved that
>with the help of Maxtor. (Alec was right to tell me to call.)
>
>Karen
>

Damn. I guess being an IT Support person pays dividends.

Your welcome,


alec

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09:40 15.04.2003 -0500 skrev no straight, chaser:
>espen:
>> Beware, remember the fourth crusade. (1204)
>
>Why single out that one?

This was the one where even if the idea at the start - in France, Belgium etc. (or areas which are now in these countries) - was to win the holy lands for Christianity, the main result was to destroy the only Christian power in the area.

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On 16 Apr 2003 at 6:44, Larry Clark wrote:

> Still no luck.  It was a what happened to us instead of what happened
> to me.  I haven't looked long though.  I have to get to work and get
> off Larry's computer. I'm sounded Natalie like.

What's tough about this?

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>From the historical to the hysterical, for the next three days we
tried to do it all. We managed to finish our ride on the St Charles
Ave. street car and took in a tour of the Garden District and
neighboring cemetery. We ate Jambalaya and Red Beans and Rice from
one end of the French Quarter to the other. We had one of the best
meals of our lives at K-Paul's Louisiana Kitchen. We took in a couple
of sets at Preservation Hall and listened to Jeremy Lyons and the
Deltabilly Boys at the Margaritaville Cafe. We had a drink in the
revolving bar at the top of the World Trade Center and put five
dollars in a quarter slot machine at the incredibly beautiful
Harrah's Casino. We took a boat ride to the Zoo and spent the better
part of a day there. We toured the Hermann~Grima House and the
Louisiana State Museum. We even went to Mardi Gras World and took an
evening Vampire Tour. We caroused with the partiers on Bourbon St.

By Friday night we had pretty much crashed and burned. There is
something for everybody in New Orleans - Disneyland for adults. We
tried to do it all and failed. We knew we would, but that just gives
an excuse for our next trip. There is still the Civil War Museum to
visit, dozens of restaurants to try, and I've just got to take that
Swamp Tour.

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espen, on the 4th Crusade:
>the main result was to destroy the only Christian power in the area.

Thank you.

Since all of them ended in failure,
unspeakable atrocities, catastrophe,
or some combination of same, it can
be difficult to keep them all straight.

My high school's sports teams were named
the Crusaders[1] (that's not the worst;
our colors were -- get this -- maroon
and orange).

[1] The order's other schools, one of
which I taught at, were the Vikings(!)
and the (steady now, Christian) Lions.

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whimsy's bossman:
>Anyone who cheers Man Utd, don't bother
>coming to work the next day ;-)"

Any Man U bug shouldn't bother getting up
in the morning.

Crikey, it's like being a Yankees fan.

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mem:
> What's tough about this?

Making the NOLA pub crawl and living to
write about it?

--
20 20 24 hours to go, I wanna be sedated

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> I have no knowledge about the source, just forwarding what came to the
> cognitive linguistics list.

    When it comes from Robert Fisk you really must "consider the source".

>
> > Robert Fisk: Library books, letters and priceless documents are set
> > ablaze in final chapter of the sacking of Baghdad
>
> > I saw the looters. One of them cursed me when I tried to reclaim a
> > book of Islamic law from a boy of no more than 10. Amid the ashes of
> > Iraqi history, I found a file blowing in the wind outside: pages of
> > handwritten letters between the court of Sharif Hussein of Mecca, who
> > started the Arab revolt against the Turks for Lawrence of Arabia, and
> > the Ottoman rulers of Baghdad.
> >
> > And the Americans did nothing.

    Fisk would have loved it if we showed up and shot ten-year-olds.  Notice
how its all our fault, anyway.  There is a reason that "fisking" has entered
the lexicon.

JMW

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At 12:55 AM 4/16/2003 -0400, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>Thanks. You're right, I am not a blogger. Please tell me, what information
>about reliability should I pass back to the person who sent it to cogling?

caveat emptor. (Help me, Espen or someone, what's the Latin for "reader" in
this context?)  Anyhow, you get the idea.

As Fisk and his counterparts on the other ideological extreme have
demonstrated, a keyboard will sit still for any idiot to pound on it.

cwv

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Oh, good. Glad it got to you. I didn't know that there were two kits
alike. I did see one started, but didn't realize there was another. I
thought there was one Xmas and one sheep. Well, hope you can use it all
some day or find someone who can. I had lots more that I have given away
locally to the charity knitters (hospitals, etc.), but I sent the better
stuff to you. No, I don't know how to sew up seams or make collars. My
mother always did that for me.

alyce

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On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> caveat emptor. (Help me, Espen or someone, what's the Latin for "reader" in
> this context?)  Anyhow, you get the idea.

"lector."  I think.

Ann

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At 04:14 AM 4/16/2003 -1000, you wrote:
>On 16 Apr 2003 at 6:44, Larry Clark wrote:
>
> > Still no luck.  It was a what happened to us instead of what happened
> > to me.  I haven't looked long though.  I have to get to work and get
> > off Larry's computer. I'm sounded Natalie like.
>
>What's tough about this?
>
>Date:         Sun, 9 Apr 2000 09:45:47 -0700
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I'm a stupid girl.  Thanks, mem.  Now I *really* want to go back.

Betty

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Bookstore Closes, Trashes Hundreds Of New Books
It's Against Law To Take Books Out Of Trash Bin

alyce

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JMW:

>Fisk would have loved it if we showed up and shot ten-year-olds.  Notice
>how its all our fault, anyway.  There is a reason that "fisking" has
>entered
>the lexicon.

Hey wait a minute, *the* lexicon and right-wing blogger lexicon are
not one and the same. Yet.

This words-related post courtesy of:
-rashmi


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Alec <plotkin@verizon.net> thought you would be interested in this article at
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It makes me want to scream. It seems as though there should have been a way to
get the books to people who could use but not afford them.  It really infuriates me to
see how much is thrown out in our society.

BrP


> http://www.newsnet5.com/news/2114556/detail.html
>
>
> Bookstore Closes, Trashes Hundreds Of New Books
> It's Against Law To Take Books Out Of Trash Bin
>
> alyce

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Another take on it, not from Fisk:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,937094,00.html

*Ancient archive lost in Baghdad library blaze*
*Oliver Burkeman in Washington*
*Tuesday April 15, 2003*
*The Guardian

*As flames engulfed Baghdad's National Library yesterday, destroying
manuscripts many centuries old, the Pentagon admitted that it had been
caught unprepared by the widespread looting of antiquities, despite
months of warnings from American archaeologists.

But defence department officials denied accusations by British
archaeologists that the US government was succumbing to pressure from
private collectors in America to allow plundered Iraqi treasures to be
traded on the open market.

Almost nothing remains of the library's archive of tens of thousands of
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scene.

[etc.]

Pete

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Alyce,
It blew me away. I can't imagine a present that could mean more.
Thank you
clo

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At 08:29 AM 4/16/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>
> > caveat emptor. (Help me, Espen or someone, what's the Latin for "reader" in
> > this context?)  Anyhow, you get the idea.
>
>"lector."  I think.

Thanks.  That would have been my guess, but my Latin is very sketchy.

cwv

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>No, I don't know how to sew up seams or make collars. My
>mother always did that for me.
>alyce

Do these sweater pieces date back to when your mother was alive?   How
along would that be?


    --bonniev

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At 12:41 PM 4/15/03 +0300, Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> wrote:

>The myth of a newspaper-selling boy becoming a millioneer (a milliardeer in
>these days, I guess) still seems to work.
>
>Kristin

Thank you for the term "milliardeer". In U.S. and Canada, the corresponding
term is "billionaire", because the British and North Americans use
different names for numbers that large.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
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> Alyce,
> It blew me away. I can't imagine a present that could mean more.

8-}

I have not meant to leave anyone out, but I don't know who would want
what. Pleaee send requests if you want something.

alyce

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bonniev wrote:
>
> Do these sweater pieces date back to when your mother was alive?

Obviously not. Were she alive, she'd have finished them. I thought I
might learn how or find someone to do it, but I didn't. These  things
were knitted ca. 1993-98, I think.

alyce

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Subject: Re:      Re: package came, thanks Alyce
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> > Alyce,
> > It blew me away. I can't imagine a present that could mean more.
>
> 8-}
>
> I have not meant to leave anyone out, but I don't know who would want
> what. Pleaee send requests if you want something.
>
> alyce

You already gave me your Etude magazines
and I am still enjoying them.

                  - D. M.

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On 16 Apr 2003 at 8:43, Betty Clark wrote:

> I'm a stupid girl.  Thanks, mem.  Now I *really* want to go back.

No, you're a smart girl. The kind who bats her eyelashes a few times
and never has to lift a finger.

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>On 16 Apr 2003 at 8:43, Betty Clark wrote:
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> > I'm a stupid girl.  Thanks, mem.  Now I *really* want to go back.
>
>No, you're a smart girl. The kind who bats her eyelashes a few times
>and never has to lift a finger.

Bat those lashes and ask him for a t-shirt design, Bad Betty.


    --bonniev

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On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
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> You already gave me your Etude magazines
> and I am still enjoying them.
>
>                   - D. M.

Ohmigosh, I have some Etudes! My piano/organ teacher gave them to me -
they dated back to her childhood.

What a fond memory.
clo

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James McIntosh wrote:

> At 12:41 PM 4/15/03 +0300, Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> wrote:
>
> >The myth of a newspaper-selling boy becoming a millioneer (a milliardeer in
> >these days, I guess) still seems to work.
> >
> >Kristin
>
> Thank you for the term "milliardeer".

You're welcome :)

The ending -eer was due to my carelessness and not looking it up in the
dictionary, aamf, I didn't think of it at the moment, and sure, who and when
uses "billion" or "milliard" still would remain a source of confusion, for
sometimes one cannot be sure of a British author either which number he has
meant.

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monthly --, and later on in the work the author used the same numeral, whereas
its precise value was important this time, and it turned out that he meant it as
used in American English. When the numeral first occurred it was not so
important as to the content whether he used 'kazillion' or whatever -- the
editor of my translation was a mathematician, so it was not a matter of my
ignorance, then, except that I had not translated the whole work by the time
first parts of were to be published.

> In U.S. and Canada, the corresponding
> term is "billionaire", because the British and North Americans use
> different names for numbers that large.

Kristin

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Doris Markland wrote:
> You already gave me your Etude magazines
> and I am still enjoying them.

I know I did, and I was going to send more. But I found that there are
no more, so I am glad that there is some enjoyment left in what you
have.

alyce

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What happened to me this morning:

Feeling somewhat better yesterday after more
than a week of being down with a bad cough
and related flu-like symptoms, I went out and
bought myself a new mattress.  I looked at
every one in town.  They all looked alike.
They are the thick ones with an additional
pillow-top, very plump and plushy.  Having no
real choice I chose one, I think a BeautyRest.

When it was installed the bed looked like it
reached halfway to the ceiling (by comparison
with the nice low bed I had before.)  I expected
to have a heavenly sleep, but instead slept
fitfully and didn't go into a deep sleep until
morning.  

And then the phone rang.  I scrambled to grab
my glasses, hit my arm on the nightstand, and
fell out of bed!!  All the way to the floor, which
now is a goodly distance.

I felt so dumb.

                                     - D. M.

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At 01:00 PM 4/16/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>On 16 Apr 2003 at 8:43, Betty Clark wrote:
>>
>> > I'm a stupid girl.  Thanks, mem.  Now I *really* want to go back.
>>
>>No, you're a smart girl. The kind who bats her eyelashes a few times
>>and never has to lift a finger.
>
>Bat those lashes and ask him for a t-shirt design, Bad Betty.

I have a t-shirt.

WLW

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> I felt so dumb.
>
99% of accidents occur in the home. Or something like that.

alyce

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Doris Markland
>Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 2:08 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: WHTMTM
>
>
>What happened to me this morning:
>
>Feeling somewhat better yesterday after more
>than a week of being down with a bad cough
>and related flu-like symptoms, I went out and
>bought myself a new mattress.  I looked at
>every one in town.  They all looked alike.
>They are the thick ones with an additional
>pillow-top, very plump and plushy.  Having no
>real choice I chose one, I think a BeautyRest.
>
>When it was installed the bed looked like it
>reached halfway to the ceiling (by comparison
>with the nice low bed I had before.)  I expected
>to have a heavenly sleep, but instead slept
>fitfully and didn't go into a deep sleep until
>morning.
>
>And then the phone rang.  I scrambled to grab
>my glasses, hit my arm on the nightstand, and
>fell out of bed!!  All the way to the floor, which
>now is a goodly distance.
>
>I felt so dumb.
>
>                                     - D. M.
>

Hopefully, you did not break anything.



alec

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'Went with my brother Ric...  For pics, see:
ftp://wordslur:FullMoon$@ftp.mis.uri.edu/vail

'Especially the avi's  ...  the Cappuccino run was a good avi

Yeeehaaaaa...    'Alan

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You all will remember the Tattered Cover Bookstore's fight with the
government re: privacy of its customer. At last the subject of the
"suspect" reading material is revealed.

http://tinyurl.com/9obl
--
alyce

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At 02:10 PM 4/16/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>'Went with my brother Ric...  For pics, see:
>ftp://wordslur:FullMoon$@ftp.mis.uri.edu/vail
>
>'Especially the avi's  ...  the Cappuccino run was a good avi
>
>Yeeehaaaaa...    'Alan

Nice picks.

lisa
who doesn't miss the snow but did miss the day time high of 84 degrees

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alyce cresap wrote:

> You all will remember the Tattered Cover Bookstore's fight with the
> government re: privacy of its customer. At last the subject of the
> "suspect" reading material is revealed.

> An attorney for Montoya stood up and asked the
>                    Tattered Cover to confirm the subject of the book
>                    purchased by his client. Recht obliged. The paperback, by
>                    Kenneth G. Henshall, is called "A Guide to Remembering
>                    Japanese Characters," he said.
>
    All right!  Way to keep a secret!  8-(

JMW

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In a message dated 4/16/2003 1:09:25 AM, stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:

<< But it is what the Dutch use for a billion  - a miljard. >>

Yeah, you're right. I THOUGHT it sounded familiar, but could not place it
correctly. Theo

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In a message dated 4/16/2003 8:57:29 AM, williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU writes:

<< And the Americans did nothing >>

Doesn't surprise me one bit. I see more reference to religion, churches, and
whatnot in this country than any other I've ever been in, and more crime and
less conscience behavior towards fellow humans than anywhere else too.
Theo

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In a message dated 4/16/2003 9:59:10 AM, prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:

<< It really infuriates me to
see how much is thrown out in our society.

BrP >>

You and me both.
Theo

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In a message dated 4/16/2003 10:42:17 AM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< I have not meant to leave anyone out, but I don't know who would want
what. Pleaee send requests if you want something.

alyce
 >>

I guess that doesn't mean me, the oldest and longest on-line acquaintance of
your's.
Not that I would want anything, I have enough trash of my own, just wanted to
let you know that I'm aware of your change of heart. It, by itself doesn't
surprise me either.
Typical American behavior, I'm sure.
Theo

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In a message dated 4/16/2003 10:54:53 AM, mem@FLEX.COM writes:

<< No, you're a smart girl. The kind who bats her eyelashes a few times
and never has to lift a finger.
 >>

Good grief, here I've been paying people to do the work that I'm no longer
able to do, and all I had to do was bat my eyelashes? Don't I ever learn to
do it the "American Way"?
Theo

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Why should we care?  They're not our books.  What hubris.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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On 16 Apr 2003 at 16:56, Theodora Groothof wrote:

> Good grief, here I've been paying people to do the work that I'm no longer
> able to do, and all I had to do was bat my eyelashes? Don't I ever learn
> to do it the "American Way"? Theo

No offense, Theodora, but there are eyelashes and then there are
Eyelashes.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/16/2003 10:42:17 AM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:
>
> << I have not meant to leave anyone out, but I don't know who would want
> what. Pleaee send requests if you want something.
>
> I guess that doesn't mean me, the oldest and longest on-line acquaintance of
> your's.

Please explain. I do not know what sort of thing you'd like to have.
That is why I asked the question. Other people have made specific
requests.

 just wanted to
> let you know that I'm aware of your change of heart. It, by itself doesn't
> surprise me either.
> Typical American behavior, I'm sure.

Well, you have me baffled here. I have written kind personal mail that
has gone unansnwered, you have labeled me as a warmonger, even though
you know it is a lie, and so on. Typical American behavior, at least for
this American, is to be loyal to one's friends--not to rake them over
the coals every day.

So do you have any collections? Bunnies, kitties, salt and pepper sets,
anything?

alyce

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In a message dated 4/16/2003 3:14:42 PM, mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET writes:

<< No offense, Theodora, but there are eyelashes and then there are
Eyelashes.
 >>

Meaning what? Theo

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In a message dated 4/16/2003 3:15:40 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< I have written kind personal mail that
has gone unansnwered,  >>

Huh? I guess your imagination is now playing tricks on you too. I'm sorry, I
didn't realize it was part of your physical condition. One's is never too old
to learn, though.
Duly noted. As I stated: don't want anything that's left over. My collections
are worth more than you can contribute to. Unless you want to give me some
genuine Delft Blue items, of course. If you're able to recognize it, of
course.
Theo

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In a message dated 04/16/2003 10:51:14 AM Central Daylight Time,
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<<
It's Against Law To Take Books Out Of Trash Bin


>>

That law's too stupid to exist.

Evelyn Duncan
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The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Theo!  Stop being nasty to friends!

Pete

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Betty Clark wrote:

>   Now I *really* want to go back.

Y'all can visit me in BSL, and we'll <do> NO.  But I was thinking again
today how much I like living in Starkville and how I really shouldn't
leave it.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> It makes me want to scream. It seems as though there should have been a way to
> get the books to people who could use but not afford them.  It really infuriates me to
> see how much is thrown out in our society.

That is one of the things in my mind when I said re Alyce that I was
changing my views about life and death -- that being in a situation like
hers has some up points.  I have many things that I would like to keep
for most of my life, but I know that if my RRB&SIL happen to be stuck
with the job of getting rid of my stuff, it will be hauled off to the
garbage dump.  I'd like some lead time to try to find other fates for
it.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 05:17 PM 4/16/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
> >   Now I *really* want to go back.
>
>Y'all can visit me in BSL, and we'll <do> NO.  But I was thinking again
>today how much I like living in Starkville and how I really shouldn't
>leave it.

Stay put. Really.  You can visit BSL. Rent a place for a month each year or
something.

Betty

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 4/16/2003 3:15:40 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:
>
> << I have written kind personal mail that
> has gone unansnwered,  >>
>
> Huh? I guess your imagination is now playing tricks on you too. I'm sorry, I
> didn't realize it was part of your physical condition. One's is never too old
> to learn, though.
> Duly noted. As I stated: don't want anything that's left over. My collections
> are worth more than you can contribute to. Unless you want to give me some
> genuine Delft Blue items, of course. If you're able to recognize it, of
> course.


        I'm speechless.



--
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rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Doris Markland wrote:

> bought myself a new mattress.  I looked at
> every one in town.  They all looked alike.

By looking at, did you mean lie on?  That's the only way I'd know how to
mattress-shop.

> When it was installed the bed looked like it
> reached halfway to the ceiling (by comparison
> with the nice low bed I had before.)  I expected
> to have a heavenly sleep, but instead slept
> fitfully and didn't go into a deep sleep until
> morning.

>From the height or from the feel?  I hope the former since that's
something more likely to be adapted to.

> And then the phone rang.  I scrambled to grab
> my glasses, hit my arm on the nightstand, and
> fell out of bed!!  All the way to the floor, which
> now is a goodly distance.
>
> I felt so dumb.

But you lived to tell the story.  And you don't mention not being
<intact>.  That suggests healthy bones.  It was a bone-density test, not
something dumb at all.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 04/16/2003 10:51:14 AM Central Daylight Time,
> alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:
>
> <<
> It's Against Law To Take Books Out Of Trash Bin
>
>
>
>
> That law's too stupid to exist.
>


        No, it has to do with paying the authors.  If they're taken
out of the trash, the author doesn't get paid (and neither
does the publisher).  That's why one is not supposed to buy
books with the cover torn off -- they've been thrown out by
the publisher and the author is not receiving his or her
royalty for it.

        It doesn't seem right, but that's the system.  Authors like
to get paid like anybody else.




--
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>
> But you lived to tell the story.  And you don't mention not being
> <intact>.  That suggests healthy bones.  It was a bone-density test,
not
> something dumb at all.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Oh yes, I'm fine. To answer your other questions, I
did lie on the mattresses in the store, but they all
felt about alike too.  And I think I did not sleep well
last night for reasons unrelated to the new mattress.
My daughter heard about my fall this morning and
emailed to say she is coming home and putting me
in a nursing home.    HA HA HA. (She wasn't serious)

                 - D. M.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
>>It makes me want to scream. It seems as though there should have been a way to
>>get the books to people who could use but not afford them.  It really infuriates me to
>>see how much is thrown out in our society.
>>
>
> That is one of the things in my mind when I said re Alyce that I was
> changing my views about life and death -- that being in a situation like
> hers has some up points.  I have many things that I would like to keep
> for most of my life, but I know that if my RRB&SIL happen to be stuck
> with the job of getting rid of my stuff, it will be hauled off to the
> garbage dump.  I'd like some lead time to try to find other fates for
> it.


        My MIL started giving stuff away a couple of years before she
got sick suddenly and died.  She mostly gave me a lot of her
jewelry because she wanted to make sure I got it and then
Ana got it -- otherwise my SIL would have taken it all.  It
wasn't just any jewelry -- she made sure I got the pieces I
would most enjoy, much of which she had bought for herself.

        I have very few things that it would bother much to lose, but
these pieces of jewelry, Alyce's gift, and one or two other
objects are at the top of the list.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> Doesn't surprise me one bit. I see more reference to religion, churches, and
> whatnot in this country than any other I've ever been in, and more crime and
> less conscience behavior towards fellow humans than anywhere else too.

I think I might have asked this before, but I can't remember your
answer.  Did The Netherlands kick you out?  Like they won't allow you
back in ever?

Please don't confuse this with the old "love it or leave it mentality,"
which is spouted by idiots who don't bother to involve themselves in
helping their country solve its problems -- and all countries have
problems to be solved.  It is important to speak out against things in
one's country that one feels aren't right.  But I don't understand why
somebody would constantly whine about living in a country she finds so
despicable if there's an alternative.  How active have you been in
trying to implement change in the US?  If you've tried and you've given
up, why not move back to your utopian home country?  It's too late for
you to move your children or maybe even grandchildren back there so that
they can get decent educations, but you could still spend your twilight
years in contentment instead of in misery.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/16/2003 3:15:40 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:
>
> << I have written kind personal mail that
> has gone unansnwered,  >>
>
> Huh? I guess your imagination is now playing tricks on you too. I'm sorry, I
> didn't realize it was part of your physical condition. One's is never too old
> to learn, though.
> Duly noted. As I stated: don't want anything that's left over. My collections
> are worth more than you can contribute to. Unless you want to give me some
> genuine Delft Blue items, of course. If you're able to recognize it, of
> course.

Sorry for the religious references here, Theo, but I can't help
praying.  You and Alyce are both a little older than I am, though not
enormously older.  The prayer that just hopped out of me involuntarily
was "Please, God, make me live into my final years as an Alyce!"
...
I wrote the above while feeling startled but still feeling that I was
into Words-L discussions.  I did a double-take, though, and think that
my previous reply re "over the edge" or "across the line" or whatever I
said re Theo has got to be true.  Iow, I am worried about Theo.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-04-16 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> >In a message dated 04/16/2003 10:51:14 AM Central Daylight Time,
> >alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:
> >
> ><< It's Against Law To Take Books Out Of Trash Bin
> >
> >That law's too stupid to exist.
>
>        No, it has to do with paying the authors.  If they're taken
> out of the trash, the author doesn't get paid (and neither
> does the publisher).  That's why one is not supposed to buy
> books with the cover torn off -- they've been thrown out by
> the publisher and the author is not receiving his or her
> royalty for it.
>
>        It doesn't seem right, but that's the system.  Authors like
> to get paid like anybody else.

Nevertheless, it is stupid, for roughly the same reason as, say,
Microsoft's ranting against "pirated copies" is stupid. It assumes
that people who fished books out of trash would otherwise have
bought them. They mostly wouldn't have. Similarly, if a 3rd world
"evil hacker" can't copy Windows XP or what have you, he won't buy
it, he will go on using Windows 98 or whatever ... Only in the most
obscure sense is this "lost revenue"--discrepancy between sales and
in-circulation copies.

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        Natalie, do you know what "conscience behavior" is?

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
>
>>Doesn't surprise me one bit. I see more reference to religion, churches, and
>>whatnot in this country than any other I've ever been in, and more crime and
>>less conscience behavior towards fellow humans than anywhere else too.
>>
>
> I think I might have asked this before, but I can't remember your
> answer.  Did The Netherlands kick you out?  Like they won't allow you
> back in ever?
>
> Please don't confuse this with the old "love it or leave it mentality,"
> which is spouted by idiots who don't bother to involve themselves in
> helping their country solve its problems -- and all countries have
> problems to be solved.  It is important to speak out against things in
> one's country that one feels aren't right.  But I don't understand why
> somebody would constantly whine about living in a country she finds so
> despicable if there's an alternative.  How active have you been in
> trying to implement change in the US?  If you've tried and you've given
> up, why not move back to your utopian home country?  It's too late for
> you to move your children or maybe even grandchildren back there so that
> they can get decent educations, but you could still spend your twilight
> years in contentment instead of in misery.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>


--
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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/16/2003 10:42:17 AM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:
>
> << I have not meant to leave anyone out, but I don't know who would want
> what. Pleaee send requests if you want something.
>
> alyce
>  >>
>
> I guess that doesn't mean me, the oldest and longest on-line acquaintance of
> your's.
> Not that I would want anything, I have enough trash of my own, just wanted to
> let you know that I'm aware of your change of heart. It, by itself doesn't
> surprise me either.
> Typical American behavior, I'm sure.

I can't believe I just wrote what I thought was a serious reply to a
Theo posting.  It did enter my mind that I was wasting my etherbreath.
But I didn't realize that Theo had crossed the line -- gone over the
edge.  The statements above may be the most truly amazing stuff I've
ever read in my life.

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02003-04-16 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> It makes me want to scream. It seems as though there should have been
> a way to get the books to people who could use but not afford them.
> It really infuriates me to see how much is thrown out in our society.

Again, this book-worshipping instinct ... How do you know they weren't
10,000 copies of Deepak Chopra's Simplified Solution To Everything? Maybe
these books were dumb-ass harlequin novels. Maybe they were such books as
do positive harm to readers. You don't think of these possibilities, and
naturally the wrong thing infuriates you. It's not how much is thrown out.
It's how much is produced that has to be thrown out. "Book" is a neutral
medium my brother ...

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02003-04-16 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> You all will remember the Tattered Cover Bookstore's fight with the
> government re: privacy of its customer. At last the subject of the
> "suspect" reading material is revealed.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/9obl

So she had nothing to hide and yet she was hiding it? I don't buy
that at all. I have taken some journalism classes in my life you
know.

BTW I just found a book I apparently bought at the Tattered Cover...

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02003-04-16 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> Theo!  Stop being nasty to friends!

Let's put it another way: Friends! Stop reading these "Theo" posts!

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At 05:45 PM 4/16/2003 -0400, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>Huh? I guess your imagination is now playing tricks on you too. I'm sorry, I
>didn't realize it was part of your physical condition. One's is never too old
>to learn, though.
>Duly noted. As I stated: don't want anything that's left over. My collections
>are worth more than you can contribute to. Unless you want to give me some
>genuine Delft Blue items, of course. If you're able to recognize it, of
>course.

You, madam, are the personification of malice.

cwv

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Betty Clark wrote:

> Stay put. Really.  You can visit BSL. Rent a place for a month each year or
> something.

I am reeling too much from Theo's last postings to be able to think
about BSL right now.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I have very few things that it would bother much to lose, but
> these pieces of jewelry, Alyce's gift, and one or two other
> objects are at the top of the list.

When I worry about my stuff being simply tossed into the garbage, it's
not really so much what the stuff is (although in some cases it is --
old picture albums from my grandparents, etc.) but is the idea of
throwing away perfectly good things, from practical things like dishes
and kitchen items and such to books to jewelry to all kinds of other
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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         Natalie, do you know what "conscience behavior" is?

It's apparently what they practice in other countries.  Or that was what
I inferred from Theo's mention of it.  I did ponder that phrase.  I
guess it's something like behavior that one's conscience dictates.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> 02003-04-16 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > Guess I should confess that I was never for a second worried for Natalie's
> > safety, her house burning down etc etc and was surprised to see so many
> > wordslurs react with alarm. Seems like we go thro' these dramatics every
> > so often.
>
> There is something about Natalie's "I'm just a know-nothing little girl"
> diction which you and I are immune to, but affects some peopel powerfully.
> I don't *know* that this is true, but it's the only explanation.

No, the explanation might be that Rashmi is an electrical engineer.  If
you think I have the "I'm just a know-nothing little girl" aura, you
have led a sheltered US life!  Or maybe the Southern US.  I am very much
unlike that.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> At 05:45 PM 4/16/2003 -0400, Theodora Groothof wrote:
> >Huh? I guess your imagination is now playing tricks on you too. I'm sorry, I
> >didn't realize it was part of your physical condition. One's is never too old
> >to learn, though.
> >Duly noted. As I stated: don't want anything that's left over. My collections
> >are worth more than you can contribute to. Unless you want to give me some
> >genuine Delft Blue items, of course. If you're able to recognize it, of
> >course.
>
> You, madam, are the personification of malice.

I was about to say that Clyde and I agreed about something.  (Actually,
I agree with Clyde on many things, though I often object to his tone.)
But I'm really not sure what to make of Theo right now.  I'm leaning
toward insanity as the explanation.  Not the explanation of earlier
postings necessarily, but the explanation of these recent mind-boggling
ones.  I think I said earlier that I'm worried about Theo.  And I am.  I
think she is in deep psychological trouble.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        Natalie, do you know what "conscience behavior" is?
>>
>
> It's apparently what they practice in other countries.  Or that was what
> I inferred from Theo's mention of it.  I did ponder that phrase.  I
> guess it's something like behavior that one's conscience dictates.
>
> --


        Ah, I thought it was maybe it was versus sleepwalking or
something.




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02003-04-16 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Guess I should confess that I was never for a second worried for Natalie's
> safety, her house burning down etc etc and was surprised to see so many
> wordslurs react with alarm. Seems like we go thro' these dramatics every
> so often.

There is something about Natalie's "I'm just a know-nothing little girl"
diction which you and I are immune to, but affects some peopel powerfully.
I don't *know* that this is true, but it's the only explanation.

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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> I was about to say that Clyde and I agreed about something.  (Actually,
> I agree with Clyde on many things, though I often object to his tone.)
> But I'm really not sure what to make of Theo right now.  I'm leaning
> toward insanity as the explanation.  Not the explanation of earlier
> postings necessarily, but the explanation of these recent mind-boggling
> ones.  I think I said earlier that I'm worried about Theo.  And I am.  I
> think she is in deep psychological trouble.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Sounds like Bethany's take on you, a few months ago.

Ann

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > 02003-04-16 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > > Guess I should confess that I was never for a second worried for Natalie's
> > > safety, her house burning down etc etc and was surprised to see so many
> > > wordslurs react with alarm. Seems like we go thro' these dramatics every
> > > so often.
> >
> > There is something about Natalie's "I'm just a know-nothing little girl"
> > diction which you and I are immune to, but affects some peopel powerfully.
> > I don't *know* that this is true, but it's the only explanation.
>
> No, the explanation might be that Rashmi is an electrical engineer.  If

I'm sitting here waiting for the dinger to ding and glancing at mail,
and I realized that what I meant might not be clear since it's
illogically stated.  What I meant was that the reason Rashmi did not
react in such a way is that she's an electrical engineer.  The people
who did react with alarm aren't.

The dinger just dinged.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Rita Chapman wrote:

> >>        Natalie, do you know what "conscience behavior" is?
> >>
> > It's apparently what they practice in other countries.  Or that was what
> > I inferred from Theo's mention of it.  I did ponder that phrase.  I
> > guess it's something like behavior that one's conscience dictates.
>
>         Ah, I thought it was maybe it was versus sleepwalking or
> something.

Surely not.  Theo's superior Dutch education, including studying the
<right> English, would certainly have precluded any conscience/conscious
confusion.

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> > think she is in deep psychological trouble.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Sounds like Bethany's take on you, a few months ago.

I don't remember Bethany's take on me a few months ago, but I think it
is a given that more than Wordsler could be in deep psychological
trouble at the same time -- or a few months apart.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 04:36 PM 4/16/2003 -0400, Theodora Groothof wrote:
>In a message dated 4/16/2003 8:57:29 AM, williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU writes:
>
><< And the Americans did nothing >>
>
>Doesn't surprise me one bit. I see more reference to religion, churches, and
>whatnot in this country than any other I've ever been in, and more crime and
>less conscience behavior towards fellow humans than anywhere else too.
>Theo

Crime is down.

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At 06:43 PM 4/16/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > 02003-04-16 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > > Guess I should confess that I was never for a second worried for
> Natalie's
> > > safety, her house burning down etc etc and was surprised to see so many
> > > wordslurs react with alarm. Seems like we go thro' these dramatics every
> > > so often.
> >
> > There is something about Natalie's "I'm just a know-nothing little girl"
> > diction which you and I are immune to, but affects some peopel powerfully.
> > I don't *know* that this is true, but it's the only explanation.
>
>No, the explanation might be that Rashmi is an electrical engineer.  If
>you think I have the "I'm just a know-nothing little girl" aura, you
>have led a sheltered US life!  Or maybe the Southern US.  I am very much
>unlike that.

And I don't bat my eyelashes to get anything done.  :-)

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>>       Natalie, do you know what "conscience behavior" is?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>It's apparently what they practice in other countries.  Or that was what
>>>I inferred from Theo's mention of it.  I did ponder that phrase.  I
>>>guess it's something like behavior that one's conscience dictates.
>>>
>>        Ah, I thought it was maybe it was versus sleepwalking or
>>something.
>>
>
> Surely not.  Theo's superior Dutch education, including studying the
> <right> English, would certainly have precluded any conscience/conscious
> confusion.


        Well, I'm stumped then.  Losing one's second language is a
sign of dementia.




--
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02003-04-16 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> No, the explanation might be that Rashmi is an electrical engineer.

I am no electrical anything, but I was taken aback by the weird reaction
too.

> If you think I have the "I'm just a know-nothing little girl" aura, you
> have led a sheltered US life!  Or maybe the Southern US.  I am very much
> unlike that.

I agree, it is more complex than that. Maybe it is something like: "I
will speak like my knowledge is alarmingly incomplete and haphazard and
my intuitions wildly unreliable. Then I will do things that seem dangerous
against the backdrop and ask what could be bad about them". This sort of
thing brings out the beast in some people.

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02003-04-16 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> And I don't bat my eyelashes to get anything done.  :-)

What about Eyelashes?

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Betty wrote:

> >you think I have the "I'm just a know-nothing little girl" aura, you
> >have led a sheltered US life!  Or maybe the Southern US.  I am very much
> >unlike that.
>
> And I don't bat my eyelashes to get anything done.  :-)

I readily admit that I grew up in a culture where being a know-nothing
little girl was considered <right>.  I think I've mentioned that
before.  I did play the game to some extent.  I tried not to make good
grades, I was embarrassed when the hs counselor said to me at the end of
an alleged IQ test that my alleged IQ was 160 -- embarrassed because I
was afraid some people around us heard him, I feigned dumbness on many
occasions in many settings, etc. etc.  But for some reason I gradually
shed that normalcy and became mutant.  There was ambivalence, though.  I
would have been really unhappy, e.g., if I had not been a National Merit
Finalist.  I didn't push my know-nothing dumbness quite that far.  But
even after that I continued to feel that it was important for a girl to
be bubble-headed.  This wasn't something I was just conjuring up in my
mind.  It was a <fact> of my culture.  But, as I said, I shed it in
adulthood.  Well, maybe there are tiny vestiges of it.  But compared to
most Southern females of my generation, I think I did a very good job of
shedding it.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > If you think I have the "I'm just a know-nothing little girl" aura, you
> > have led a sheltered US life!  Or maybe the Southern US.  I am very much
> > unlike that.
>
> I agree, it is more complex than that. Maybe it is something like: "I
> will speak like my knowledge is alarmingly incomplete and haphazard and
> my intuitions wildly unreliable. Then I will do things that seem dangerous
> against the backdrop and ask what could be bad about them". This sort of
> thing brings out the beast in some people.

Hmm.  My knowledge of electricity is indeed incomplete -- there's so
little of it that I don't know that haphazard would apply.  I am very
much ignorant of electrical matters.  But I can't think of what I did
that seemed dangerous against the backdrop.  I even unplugged the
refrigerator and threw away its contents.  I guess maybe going to bed
that night or leaving for work the next morning might seem dangerous
against the backdrop?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-04-16 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> I agree, it is more complex than that. Maybe it is something like: "I
> will speak like my knowledge is alarmingly incomplete and haphazard and
> my intuitions wildly unreliable. Then I will do things that seem dangerous
> against the backdrop and ask what could be bad about them". This sort of
> thing brings out the beast in some people.

None of this has anything to do with any bubbleheaded-is-good-for-girls
principle. All of this is first and foremost in the mutant context--
which word I use, needless to say, in the nicest possible way...

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02003-04-16 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Hmm.  My knowledge of electricity is indeed incomplete -- there's so
> little of it that I don't know that haphazard would apply.  I am very
> much ignorant of electrical matters.  But I can't think of what I did
> that seemed dangerous against the backdrop.  I even unplugged the
> refrigerator and threw away its contents.  I guess maybe going to bed
> that night or leaving for work the next morning might seem dangerous
> against the backdrop?

I am fine with this, lady! I was just trying to drop some analysis
on why other people think it is dangerous. You know, THEM. I have
known this phenomenon at least since the smoke alarm thread or the
crossing-your-legs-while-driving thread, whichever was earlier.

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Alyce, please be assured that you are loved and held in very high regard
here by all of us with any taste or sensibility at all.

(I feel very sorry for Theo).

Bethany

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> 02003-04-16 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Hmm.  My knowledge of electricity is indeed incomplete -- there's so
> > little of it that I don't know that haphazard would apply.  I am very
> > much ignorant of electrical matters.  But I can't think of what I did
> > that seemed dangerous against the backdrop.  I even unplugged the
> > refrigerator and threw away its contents.  I guess maybe going to bed
> > that night or leaving for work the next morning might seem dangerous
> > against the backdrop?
>
> I am fine with this, lady! I was just trying to drop some analysis
> on why other people think it is dangerous. You know, THEM. I have
> known this phenomenon at least since the smoke alarm thread or the
> crossing-your-legs-while-driving thread, whichever was earlier.

I understand.  You are on <my side>.  Not a problem.  I am simply
analyzing the analysis -- sort of thinking outloud or whatever.  But I
am curious about the crossing-your-legs-while-driving thread.  I
remember the smoke-alarm thread but not the cylwd thread.  I don't think
I've ever crossed my legs while driving.  It doesn't sound very
comfortable.  I do sometimes hoist my left leg up so that my left foot
is on the seat beside me.  I don't normally do that for long periods of
time, but it's sometimes a pleasant arrangement for short intervals on
long drives.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > >   I even unplugged the
> > > refrigerator and threw away its contents.

Aha!  I lied there in that the above suggests that I threw away all of
its contents.  Not true!  My behavior was in fact dangerous.  I threw
away everything in the freezer part (except the butter -- butter doesn't
mind heating/cooling changes) but kept some things that were in the
bottom part and have been in fact eating them.  I am <living
dangerously>.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 07:39 PM 4/16/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-16 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > And I don't bat my eyelashes to get anything done.  :-)
>
>What about Eyelashes?

Well, a woman has to do whatever it takes sometimes!

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>  As I stated: don't want anything that's left over.

As you wish.

> My collections are worth more than you can contribute to.

As you wish.

> Unless you want to give me some
> genuine Delft Blue items, of course.

I no longer feel much like giving you anything, Theo. This letter and
the one before are the two most rude letters I've ever seen.

> If you're able to recognize it [Delft], of course.

I am familiar with Delft ware.

alyce

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Sorry for the repetition.  I think I said this a little while ago.  But
I can't help repeating my prayer.  Oh please, God, make me an Alyce.

Alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Theodora Groothof wrote:
> >  As I stated: don't want anything that's left over.
>
> As you wish.
>
> > My collections are worth more than you can contribute to.
>
> As you wish.
>
> > Unless you want to give me some
> > genuine Delft Blue items, of course.
>
> I no longer feel much like giving you anything, Theo. This letter and
> the one before are the two most rude letters I've ever seen.
>
> > If you're able to recognize it [Delft], of course.
>
> I am familiar with Delft ware.
>
> alyce


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In a message dated 04/16/2003 5:40:49 PM Central Daylight Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<
        No, it has to do with paying the authors.  If they're taken
out of the trash, the author doesn't get paid (and neither
does the publisher).
>>

People who take books out of the trash were probably not going
to pay for them anyway, just do without.  If the books are
remaindered, the publisher can destroy them or donate them to
inner-city and rural schools and libraries (and get a tax write-off).

Evelyn Duncan
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On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> Crime is down.

Uh huh.

Ann

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On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> crossing-your-legs-while-driving thread, whichever was earlier.

She crosses her legs while driving?   Ha ha ha ha ha

I can't drive and bat my eyelashes at the same time.

Ann

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At 08:08 PM 4/16/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:
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> > Crime is down.
>
>Uh huh.
>
>Ann

Yes.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvict.htm

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On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Sorry for the repetition.  I think I said this a little while ago.  But
> I can't help repeating my prayer.  Oh please, God, make me an Alyce.

First, get yer goddamned foot off the seat when you drive!

Ann

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At 08:58 PM 4/16/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Sorry for the repetition.  I think I said this a little while ago.  But
>I can't help repeating my prayer.  Oh please, God, make me an Alyce.

Keep smoking and you may get your wish.

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At 08:10 PM 4/16/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > crossing-your-legs-while-driving thread, whichever was earlier.
>
>She crosses her legs while driving?   Ha ha ha ha ha
>
>I can't drive and bat my eyelashes at the same time.

You can't multi task??

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On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> Keep smoking and you may get your wish.

I am truly concerned for your psychological well being, Betty.  You better
use up your 10 or 20 free employee assistance hours before you get canned!

Ann

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On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:

> >I can't drive and bat my eyelashes at the same time.
>
> You can't multi task??

Maybe it's because my lashes are so thick and silky, also because my
driver's license is revoked.

Ann

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At 08:16 PM 4/16/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:
> >
> > Keep smoking and you may get your wish.
>
>I am truly concerned for your psychological well being, Betty.  You better
>use up your 10 or 20 free employee assistance hours before you get canned!
>
>Ann

You're right. Do you think I can become like you when I grow up?

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On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> You're right. Do you think I can become like you when I grow up?

All too easily and I wouldn't advise it.

Good night, it's past my bedtime.

(that is a good picture of you with the fine hat)

zzzzzzz

Ann

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02003-04-16 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> remember the smoke-alarm thread but not the cylwd thread.  I don't think
> I've ever crossed my legs while driving.  It doesn't sound very
> comfortable.  I do sometimes hoist my left leg up so that my left foot
> is on the seat beside me.  I don't normally do that for long periods of
> time, but it's sometimes a pleasant arrangement for short intervals on
> long drives.

My bad, again. I relapsed into native terminology. I suppose "crossing"
means hoisting a leg over the other knee or something? I meant "sitting
cross-legged"--which is approximately what you have described above. Of
course what I remember from that thread is you sit in a full yoga type
of posture--which may explain how others may have gotten the same
impression. Having your legs locked in a crosswise arrangement leaves
no opportunity for quick braking, which is DANGEROUS.

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02003-04-16 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:39 PM 4/16/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-04-16 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> And I don't bat my eyelashes to get anything done.  :-)
> >
> >What about Eyelashes?
>
> Well, a woman has to do whatever it takes sometimes!

Batting eyelashes, ambiguously lying about it ... I HATE
this sort of thing

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> I guess that doesn't mean me, the oldest and longest on-line
> acquaintance of
> your's.
> Not that I would want anything, I have enough trash of my own, just
> wanted to
> let you know that I'm aware of your change of heart. It, by itself
> doesn't
> surprise me either.
> Typical American behavior, I'm sure.

and so on and so forth

You have still much more bitterness and meanness and maliciousness in
you than I thought earlier. I believed your bitterness was due to your
bad health and other difficulties in your life -- it is always different
which impacts these conditions may have on  different persons -- and I
hoped you'd get over it in your better moments. Ok, I'm ready to believe
that once you might have been a lady with nice behaviour, but if you
cannot retain it a bit, I, too get tired of searching for it. I feel
sorry about it, and pity of you.

Btw, I haven't said till now that you should leave the list. As I said I
thought you have lighter and darker moments. Now I ask: Why do you want
to be a wordsler? Out of stubbornness?

Kristin

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I can't help repeating my prayer.  Oh please, God, make me an Alyce.

Bethany:

>(I feel very sorry for Theo).

Same are, as to both statements.

The only slightly lighter spot here may be that Alyce knows Theo from
earlier times, and that Alyce is Alyce; thus she may manage the whole
affair better in herself than we, speechless and gasping as we are.

Alyce:

>I have written kind personal mail [to Theo] that
>has gone unansnwered,

I'm sure, Alyce, you've written more of them. Nothing to do here...

Kristin

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Feeling somewhat better yesterday after more
> than a week of being down with a bad cough

Nice to hear that, but what shall I read here:

> When it was installed the bed looked like it
> reached halfway to the ceiling

> and
> fell out of bed!!  All the way to the floor, which
> now is a goodly distance.

> I felt so dumb.

Have you put a ladder at the bed by now?

Kristin

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Doris Markland wrote:

>  I
> did lie on the mattresses in the store, but they all
> felt about alike too.

I am about to buy a new mattress, too, and when reading all those
recommendations on the ads how one must try a mattress before choosing
one, I've also thought that I may hardly be able to make myself feel so
relaxed in a store as to find the right one. So I maybe will just ask for
which body weight a mattress is meant, and perhaps will buy one that is
meant for a bit heavier person than I am (for I guess too soft a mattress
is a greater disaster) -- and will regret it later.

Kristin

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 04/16/2003 5:40:49 PM Central Daylight Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> <<
>         No, it has to do with paying the authors.  If they're taken
> out of the trash, the author doesn't get paid (and neither
> does the publisher).
>
>
> People who take books out of the trash were probably not going
> to pay for them anyway, just do without.  If the books are
> remaindered, the publisher can destroy them or donate them to
> inner-city and rural schools and libraries (and get a tax write-off).


        Hey, Evelyn.  Listen up!  I didn't *write* the law; I'm just
telling you what and why it is.

        The kinds of books that end up remaindered aren't usually
that great anyway.  Believe it or not, inner-city and rural
schools want *good* books, not some tepid mystery panned by
The New York Times.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Kristin Sarv writes,
>
> >The analyst asks whether our government can recognize that the war can, in
> >a way, be seen as held between the USA and Europe because of their
> >economical interests.
>
> An article that expresses that viewpoint:
>
> The real reasons America is invading Iraq
> March 20 2003
> <http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/19/1047749824415.html>
>
> Excerpt: "It would be fatal to America's global strategic ambitions if
> countries in Europe began to ask for euros instead of US dollars for their
> exports,

I should have known, or recognized, or at least thought, of course, that it was
no new a viewpoint. Slow as I am, I tend to pick one piece of knowledge at a
time, and am sometimes unable to start chewing a new one before I have consumed
the previous.

Kristin

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The Executive Committee of
Students Welfare Organization
requests the pleasure of your company to attend
52nd Annual Notebook distribution ceremony
on Saturday April 26, 2003, at 4:00 p.m.
at Khalikdina Hall, M. A. Jinnah Road
Karachi-74200, Pakistan
Chief Guest: Choudary Muhammad Rafique
Patron-in-Chief:  Mr. Muhammad Yahya Polani
Guest-in-Chief Mr. Yaseen Malik  Chief Organizer:  Mr.
Haji Masood Parekh
Regards Only: Qari Hilal Ahmed Rabbani, RSVP: Rafiq
Majid and Tariq Hussain Malik
 President, SWO  Chairman Distribution Committee
 qarihilal@yahoo.com  Phone: 92 21 7732228
Introduction

Student Welfare Organization in the field of social
welfare for the last 52 years, which have also been
lauded by the former President of Pakistan, central
and provincial ministers and distinguished citizens in
their speeches and messages on different occasions.
The organization is continuously providing all
possible educational help to the poor and needy
students in shape of textbooks, exercise notebooks,
school bags, essay and speech competition, Free
English Language Classes, Free Computer Classes.  The
organization also provides tuition fee, Examination
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Like previous years, this year too;

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> > And I don't bat my eyelashes to get anything done.  :-)
>
>What about Eyelashes?

>Well, a woman has to do whatever it takes sometimes!

Right-O. .... but men do this too.

What a wh***y wh*** whirrled ...

<wink>

AS

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> First, get yer goddamned foot off the seat when you drive!

It doesn't stay on the seat all the time.  I need it for the clutch at
times.

--
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Betty wrote:

> Keep smoking and you may get your wish.

Alyce quit smoking.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie:

>> First, get yer goddamned foot off the seat when you drive!


>It doesn't stay on the seat all the time.  I need it for the clutch at
times.

My latest wheels come equipped with a 5-speed AND has cruise control. Love
it!

AS

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> 02003-04-16 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > remember the smoke-alarm thread but not the cylwd thread.  I don't think
> > I've ever crossed my legs while driving.  It doesn't sound very
> > comfortable.  I do sometimes hoist my left leg up so that my left foot
> > is on the seat beside me.  I don't normally do that for long periods of
> > time, but it's sometimes a pleasant arrangement for short intervals on
> > long drives.
>
> My bad, again. I relapsed into native terminology. I suppose "crossing"
> means hoisting a leg over the other knee or something? I meant "sitting
> cross-legged"--which is approximately what you have described above. Of

No, there is no cross-leggedness involved at all.  Ah wait -- maybe I
mentioned in the past that sometimes I put my left leg under the right
one.  That would involve crossing.  But what I was describing above does
not involve crossing at all:  the right leg goes down on the right
toward the accelerator, the left foot is on the left side of the seat
with the knee in the air, the two legs don't meet at all -- open crotch,
etc.

> course what I remember from that thread is you sit in a full yoga type
> of posture--which may explain how others may have gotten the same
> impression. Having your legs locked in a crosswise arrangement leaves
> no opportunity for quick braking, which is DANGEROUS.

I can't remember from my brief flirtation with yoga exactly what the
positions are, but I don't think either of the above would qualify.  And
even if my left foot couldn't get to the clutch as quickly as if it were
hovering near it, truly heavy braking will stop the car even without the
clutch.  My right foot is always there on or near the accelerator and
brake.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Have you put a ladder at the bed by now?

Perhaps one of those nets sometimes used in circuses or by firefighters
under burning buildings would be in order.

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Don't let me forget to set the vcr this afternoon to tape Survivor.  I
might get home early enough to watch it tonight but will otherwise watch
it tomorrow night.  Or maybe earlier tomorrow since tomorrow is a
holiday -- no religious connection, mind you -- we don't have religious
holidays -- we just have this one-day holiday that's always on a Friday
and that varies from year to year on which Friday it is in March or
April -- its official name is Spring Holiday.  Anyway, I'm going to miss
Survivor tonight because I'll be at a dinner at which I'm one of the two
honorees -- a retirement dinner.  (There would've been three of us, but
one moved after retiring last summer and isn't coming back for the
event.)

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 05:14 PM 4/16/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>  salt and pepper sets, anything?
>
>alyce

Tina and I were recently looking for a salt and pepper shaker. We realized
during our last dinner party we'd been getting by with paper napkins and
cardboard salt and pepper shakers. Since I have some fairly decent china
we've decided it's time to go adult and get something a little more
formal... or at least not cardboard and paper based! :-)

lisa

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At 04:50 PM 4/16/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 4/16/2003 10:42:17 AM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:
>
><< I have not meant to leave anyone out, but I don't know who would want
>what. Pleaee send requests if you want something.
>
>alyce
>  >>
>
>I guess that doesn't mean me, the oldest and longest on-line acquaintance of
>your's.
>Not that I would want anything, I have enough trash of my own, just wanted to
>let you know that I'm aware of your change of heart. It, by itself doesn't
>surprise me either.
>Typical American behavior, I'm sure.
>Theo

OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!

The woman is on her death bed and you're going to guilt her now? Do you
care so little for her that you think it's ok for you to complain because
she hasn't sent you something? If this is what foreigners who become
American citizens are like, you're a sorry lot.

So, fuck off Theo, this is totally unacceptable.

lisa

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After Mr. Every Hair in Place (aka The Evil One) stuck his carefully
polished toenails in his mouth and was toppled from his high position in
the Senate, I bet most of you ceased to hear/read/see much of him.
Alas, we still have him, and I see his neat toupee staring out from the
Starkville Daily News regularly, beside a column he regularly writes,
presumably for all of the state newspapers.  This morning I was
surprised at the headline about the importance of international
credibility -- thinking that surely he was among those who had been
thinking "who cares what the rest of the world thinks."  When I read on,
I was truly amazed.  His thesis was that international credibility is
indeed important and that the US has it because we did what we said we
were going to do and attacked Iraq and that France, Germany, and Russia
now have no international credibility because they "stood on the
sidelines."
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Don't let me forget to set the vcr this afternoon to tape Survivor.

:-)

Natalie, the afternoon is coming closer! Remember that you must set the vcr
to tape Survivor.

Kristin

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At 05:54 PM 4/16/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>>
>>>It makes me want to scream. It seems as though there should have been a
>>>way to
>>>get the books to people who could use but not afford them.  It really
>>>infuriates me to
>>>see how much is thrown out in our society.
>>
>>That is one of the things in my mind when I said re Alyce that I was
>>changing my views about life and death -- that being in a situation like
>>hers has some up points.  I have many things that I would like to keep
>>for most of my life, but I know that if my RRB&SIL happen to be stuck
>>with the job of getting rid of my stuff, it will be hauled off to the
>>garbage dump.  I'd like some lead time to try to find other fates for
>>it.
>
>
>        My MIL started giving stuff away a couple of years before she
>got sick suddenly and died.  She mostly gave me a lot of her
>jewelry because she wanted to make sure I got it and then
>Ana got it -- otherwise my SIL would have taken it all.  It
>wasn't just any jewelry -- she made sure I got the pieces I
>would most enjoy, much of which she had bought for herself.
>
>        I have very few things that it would bother much to lose, but
>these pieces of jewelry, Alyce's gift, and one or two other
>objects are at the top of the list.

My mother has a lot of nice jewelry with great stories behind most of the
pieces. It's the one thing she really wants me to have and worries most about.

My brother and I are pretty mellow about such things and my mother has her
will written so we have to split her assets evenly. In the end, I'll be the
one who decides who gets what pieces of my mother's jewelry. A job I plan
on taking seriously.

lisa

>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Natalie, the afternoon is coming closer! Remember that you must set the vcr
> to tape Survivor.

Thank you!  I in fact just did it, even though it's not afternoon yet.
I'm still at home because I decided to practice retirement since there's
nothing I need to be doing in my office this morning.  I'm going to
dawdle around here for a while longer before going to campus to go to
the p.o. and to eat lunch.

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Doesn't surprise me one bit. I see more reference to religion, churches,
and whatnot in this country than any other I've ever been in, and more
crime and less conscience behavior towards fellow humans than anywhere
else too. Theo
-----------------------------

If THIS [below] is an example of  what you consider "conscience behavior toward fellow
humans" [above] I am proud not to share it. I would never treat my enemies (let alone
my friends) as venomously as you have treated Alyce.  Theo, you are in need of some
serious psychological help.  I don't mean this in a flippant or casual way.  If this is an
example of the way you relate to the people in your life, I suspect that you have
alienated more than just this list.  This is NOT NORMAL.  YOU NEED HELP.

BrP


----------------------------
Not that I would want anything, I have enough trash of my own,
just wanted to let you know that I'm aware of your change of heart. It, by
itself doesn't surprise me either. Typical American behavior, I'm sure.
Theo

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I've got a big bunch of ivy covering part of my back yard and have
decided I don't want it there anymore.  (I'm also very glad I didn't
pursue that idea I once talked about of covering my whole front yard
with ivy.  A big problem is that weeds and little shrubs and all kinds
of things grow up inside the ivy, meaning that to keep it decent looking
you'd have to wade around in the ivy doing maintenance and risking being
attacked by snakes or whatever else might be lurking there.)  Yesterday
I was cutting the grass and ran the lawnmower up into the ivy a good way
-- not good for the blades, no doubt, but they need sharpening anyway --
I may take it to a blade-sharpener soon.  I liked zapping some of the
ivy but realize that it is of course not zapped -- it's just scalped.
Do I have to tromp all over the area digging up the ivy, or would
Roundup help, or what?  In a way this may not be wise since the area is
shady and will thus be hard to cultivate something else on -- something
like grass.  But I still want to do it.  I'm tired of the ivy mess.

I googled a few minutes ago for "killing ivy" and found a few mentions
of Roundup, though mainly what I found was stuff about murders of people
named Ivy.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > Natalie, the afternoon is coming closer! Remember that you must set the vcr
> > to tape Survivor.
>
> Thank you!  I in fact just did it,

Good, for I'm about to leave the office to go to listen to Berlioz's Requiem
tonight in a concert hall, and I wouldn't have been able to remind it to you
later on.

Kristin

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lisa alfieri wrot
> we've decided it's time to go adult and get something a little more
> formal... or at least not cardboard and paper based! :-)
>
I'll see what I can do. I don't really have salt & papper sets, I don't
think. That was a joke for Theo, sort of. BUt I am sure I can come up
with something for you. WIll need an address, please.


alyce

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BrP:
>This is NOT NORMAL.  YOU NEED HELP.

She's a tired, confused, old woman who,
by her own admission, is working with
only half a brain.

"Things they do look awful c-c-c-cold..."

--
Richard       olive oil, balsam - stirred, not shaken

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Natalie:
>whine about living in a country she
>finds so despicable if there's an
>alternative.

Hey, lots people live in areas they
hate because they don't have enough
hair on their asses to get up and go.

Or they find some other excuse.

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>
> >  I
> > did lie on the mattresses in the store, but they all
> > felt about alike too.
>
> I am about to buy a new mattress, too, and when reading all those
> recommendations on the ads how one must try a mattress before choosing
> one, I've also thought that I may hardly be able to make myself feel
so
> relaxed in a store as to find the right one. So I maybe will just ask
for
> which body weight a mattress is meant, and perhaps will buy one that
is
> meant for a bit heavier person than I am (for I guess too soft a
mattress
> is a greater disaster) -- and will regret it later.
>
> Kristin

Turns out the one I chose (a BeautyRest brand) is
sooo comfortable and sleeps so well.  But also
maybe because I splurged and  bought a set of
very fine Egyptian cotton sheets.

                               - D. M.

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:

> Hey, lots people live in areas they
> hate because they don't have enough
> hair on their asses to get up and go.

Actually, my guess is that a large number of such people would be
equally unhappy if they did move.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>Actually, my guess is that a large number
>of such people would be equally unhappy if
>they did move.

...not if they focus a lot of energy on
whining about and hating the place they
moved from.

meeeeee-OW!  Richard, you BITCH!

--
Richard       olive oil, balsam - stirred, not shaken

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> Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > Have you put a ladder at the bed by now?
>
> Perhaps one of those nets sometimes used in circuses or by
firefighters
> under burning buildings would be in order.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

While I may have exaggerated the height of this
mattress a wee bit, it really is an adjustment.  When
you sit on the edge of the bed your feet do not
touch the floor.  But my mind has accepted it now
and cooperates in the morning to help me make the
right movements.

                      - D. M.

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>lisa alfieri wrot
> > we've decided it's time to go adult and get something a little more
> > formal... or at least not cardboard and paper based! :-)
> >
>I'll see what I can do. I don't really have salt & papper sets, I don't
>think. That was a joke for Theo, sort of. BUt I am sure I can come up
>with something for you. WIll need an address, please.
>alyce

Send me an address, Lisa.  I have a set I can send to you.


    --bonniev

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> "no straight, chaser" wrote:
>
> > Hey, lots people live in areas they
> > hate because they don't have enough
> > hair on their asses to get up and go.
>
> Actually, my guess is that a large number of such people would be
> equally unhappy if they did move.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Exactly.  Your surroundings echo what you
have going on inside of you.

              - D. M.

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D.M.:
> very fine Egyptian cotton sheets.

Congratulations on your purchase.

This remark led me to look up an essay
on cotton production in the Confederacy,
which included this sentence:

"Planters believed that the yeomen and pout
 would fight in the army and that slaves would
 continue to produce food and the South's
 greatest weapon, cotton."

What on EARTH is "pout" in this context?

Merrian-Webster online has no entry, nor
does the online OED.  Googling turned up
a page of piccies of Alicia Silverstone,
a pleasant enough diversion but no help
in this cause.

Or is it a typo of an obvious word that
I am just missing?

--
Richard       olive oil, balsam - stirred, not shaken

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> Actually, my guess is that a large number of such people would be
> equally unhappy if they did move.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


>Exactly.  Your surroundings echo what you
>have going on inside of you.


>              - D. M.

True -- immediate surroundings. However, different locales *are* different,
each offering its own set of resources. And according to individual tastes,
individual happiness may be more easily obtained in some locales than
others -- although different locations will likely not "correct" basic
internal conflicts.

While living in St. Thomas, I heard quite enough people bitching day in and
day out who were quite obviously running from something they thought
geography would cure ...

Then there's "Day of the Locusts" ...

AS

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bonniev wrote:
>
> Send me an address, Lisa.  I have a set I can send to you.

Good. Thanks, Bonnie. I will send something else, so I still need
address.

alyce

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

> While living in St. Thomas, I heard quite enough people bitching day in and
> day out who were quite obviously running from something they thought
> geography would cure ...

    "Some of them are running from lovers, leaving no forward address,
     Some of them are running tons of ganja, some are running from the IRS..."

JMW

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On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:

> >lisa alfieri wrot
> > > we've decided it's time to go adult and get something a little more
> > > formal... or at least not cardboard and paper based! :-)
> > >
> >I'll see what I can do. I don't really have salt & papper sets, I don't
> >think. That was a joke for Theo, sort of. BUt I am sure I can come up
> >with something for you. WIll need an address, please.
> >alyce
>
> Send me an address, Lisa.  I have a set I can send to you.

This may get to be interesting, sort of a Wrodsler Swap Meet. My
grandmother collected salt and pepper shakers; while the adult in me can't
figure out why, as a kid I was sure fascinated by the variety. I didn't
get those though; instead, I got my grandfather's pipe collection, which
no one else would take (he died of lung cancer).

clo

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On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, no straight, chaser wrote:

> "Planters believed that the yeomen and pout
>  would fight in the army and that slaves would
>  continue to produce food and the South's
>  greatest weapon, cotton."
>
> What on EARTH is "pout" in this context?
>

it's a typo for "POTUS". ;)
clo

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At 10:50 AM 4/17/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>lisa alfieri wrot
>> > we've decided it's time to go adult and get something a little more
>> > formal... or at least not cardboard and paper based! :-)
>> >
>>I'll see what I can do. I don't really have salt & papper sets, I don't
>>think. That was a joke for Theo, sort of. BUt I am sure I can come up
>>with something for you. WIll need an address, please.
>>alyce
>
>Send me an address, Lisa.  I have a set I can send to you.
>
>
>    --bonniev

Now I feel silly. It's not that I don't appreciate the offer but, Tina
and/or I can afford the time and slight expense associated with getting a
set of s&p shakers.

Alyce's mention of them reminded me of our need for them and how we've
started a quest. I'll also admit that I would like to have a token from
Alyce for personal reasons that I haven't shared with anyone, including Alyce.

lisa

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>Alyce's mention of them reminded me of our need for them and how we've
>started a quest. I'll also admit that I would like to have a token from
>Alyce for personal reasons that I haven't shared with anyone, including Alyce.
>lisa

Oh, sure.  And you don't want any token from me.  Alright, be that
way.   :-(   <sniff, sniff>


    --bonniev

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At 12:22 PM 4/17/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:
>
> > >lisa alfieri wrot
> > > > we've decided it's time to go adult and get something a little more
> > > > formal... or at least not cardboard and paper based! :-)
> > > >
> > >I'll see what I can do. I don't really have salt & papper sets, I don't
> > >think. That was a joke for Theo, sort of. BUt I am sure I can come up
> > >with something for you. WIll need an address, please.
> > >alyce
> >
> > Send me an address, Lisa.  I have a set I can send to you.
>
>This may get to be interesting, sort of a Wrodsler Swap Meet. My
>grandmother collected salt and pepper shakers; while the adult in me can't
>figure out why, as a kid I was sure fascinated by the variety. I didn't
>get those though; instead, I got my grandfather's pipe collection, which
>no one else would take (he died of lung cancer).
>
>clo

There's a small restaurant in Jamaica Plain that has different salt and
pepper shakers on each table. The first thing people say when talking about
this place is how the terrific food their food is. The second thing is a
mention of the different s&p shakers.

I started a collection of table lighters and a few old zippo's. These
objects became a minor obsession a couple years ago when I saw my first
silver, ronco table lighter. I was so intrigued by it I had to have it. I
haven't bought a lighter in a long time although I still do look when I go
to antique stores.

lisa

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At 01:06 PM 4/17/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>Alyce's mention of them reminded me of our need for them and how we've
>>started a quest. I'll also admit that I would like to have a token from
>>Alyce for personal reasons that I haven't shared with anyone, including
>>Alyce.
>>lisa
>
>Oh, sure.  And you don't want any token from me.  Alright, be that
>way.   :-(   <sniff, sniff>

Oh brother, look what I've done!

lisa


>    --bonniev

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> On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:
>
> > >lisa alfieri wrot
> > > > we've decided it's time to go adult and get something a little more
> > > > formal... or at least not cardboard and paper based! :-)
> > > >
> > >I'll see what I can do. I don't really have salt & papper sets, I don't
> > >think. That was a joke for Theo, sort of. BUt I am sure I can come up
> > >with something for you. WIll need an address, please.
> > >alyce
> >
> > Send me an address, Lisa.  I have a set I can send to you.
>
> This may get to be interesting, sort of a Wrodsler Swap Meet. My
> grandmother collected salt and pepper shakers; while the adult in me can't
> figure out why, as a kid I was sure fascinated by the variety. I didn't
> get those though; instead, I got my grandfather's pipe collection, which
> no one else would take (he died of lung cancer).
>
> clo

One of the things my family always does at reunions is a swap meet kind of thing.
I'm not sure which I like better, getting rid of my own junk or getting someone else's.
There are a few items that appear over and over and make the rounds among the
sibs.


BrP

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----- Original Message -----
From: "lisa alfieri" <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
> At 02:10 PM 4/16/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >'Went with my brother Ric...  For pics, see:
> >ftp://wordslur:FullMoon$@ftp.mis.uri.edu/vail
> >
> >'Especially the avi's  ...  the Cappuccino run was a good avi
> >
> >Yeeehaaaaa...    'Alan
>
> Nice picks.
>
> lisa
> who doesn't miss the snow but did miss the day time high of 84 degrees

There were temps up in the 70s there.  The snow was best between 10:30am and
1:30pm... but the upper mountains were great all day.

In my mind I am still there ;-)

'Alan

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>>Oh, sure.  And you don't want any token from me.  Alright, be that
>>way.   :-(   <sniff, sniff>
>
>Oh brother, look what I've done!
>lisa

The only way to rectify this is to post your address and then sit back and
wait for presents from everyone.


    --bonniev

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> In a message dated 4/16/2003 3:15:40 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:
>
> << I have written kind personal mail that
> has gone unansnwered,  >>
>
> Huh? I guess your imagination is now playing tricks on you too. I'm sorry,
I
> didn't realize it was part of your physical condition. One's is never too
old
> to learn, though.
> Duly noted. As I stated: don't want anything that's left over. My
collections
> are worth more than you can contribute to. Unless you want to give me some
> genuine Delft Blue items, of course. If you're able to recognize it, of
> course.
> Theo

You sick mentally sick fuck!


alec

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> >>Oh, sure.  And you don't want any token from me.  Alright, be that
> >>way.   :-(   <sniff, sniff>
> >
> >Oh brother, look what I've done!
> >lisa
>
> The only way to rectify this is to post your address and then sit back
and
> wait for presents from everyone.
>
>
>     --bonniev

The Words-l White Elephant Club

            - D. M.

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At 01:12 PM 4/17/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>At 12:22 PM 4/17/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:
>>
>> > >lisa alfieri wrot
>> > > > we've decided it's time to go adult and get something a little more
>> > > > formal... or at least not cardboard and paper based! :-)
>> > > >
>> > >I'll see what I can do. I don't really have salt & papper sets, I don't
>> > >think. That was a joke for Theo, sort of. BUt I am sure I can come up
>> > >with something for you. WIll need an address, please.
>> > >alyce
>> >
>> > Send me an address, Lisa.  I have a set I can send to you.
>>
>>This may get to be interesting, sort of a Wrodsler Swap Meet. My
>>grandmother collected salt and pepper shakers; while the adult in me can't
>>figure out why, as a kid I was sure fascinated by the variety. I didn't
>>get those though; instead, I got my grandfather's pipe collection, which
>>no one else would take (he died of lung cancer).
>>
>>clo
>
>There's a small restaurant in Jamaica Plain that has different salt and
>pepper shakers on each table. The first thing people say when talking about
>this place is how the terrific food their food is. The second thing is a
>mention of the different s&p shakers.

Larry's grandmother collected S&P's.  His mother has them now.  Lorinda, my
archaeologist daughter, has gone through and cataloged, photographed, and
wrapped each set.  Some very unique ones.

Betty

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> > There are a few items that appear over and over and make the rounds among the
> > sibs.
>
> lol. Remember how it was in the Shire? -- I started reading Lord of the Rings at last,
> that's why several things in life remind me of matters described there.
>
> But items making round among siblings sounds quite good, especially if they are old family
> things.

We are that way with books, especially. The childhood library in
our house (6 kids) was pretty diverse, and several of us developed
"treasure troves" which get sent out on "semi-permanent loan"
as nieces and nephews reach appropriate ages. I was looking
at my brother's shelves the other day, thinking it's about time to get
him to pass on my collection of folktales to the next-younger batch.

clo

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http://www.privatehand.com/flashanimation/elements.html

alyce

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> There are a few items that appear over and over and make the rounds among the
> sibs.

lol. Remember how it was in the Shire? -- I started reading Lord of the Rings at last,
that's why several things in life remind me of matters described there.

But items making round among siblings sounds quite good, especially if they are old family
things.

Kristin

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alyce cresap wrote:

> http://www.privatehand.com/flashanimation/elements.html

It's funny! I didn't remember Californium from my schooltime, btw.

Kristin

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> I can't drive and bat my eyelashes at the same time.

It's high time to invent hands-free eyelashes-batter.

Kristin

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<html><head><title>OTC Vault.com Stock Watch _zGsm80TCkAmPVi62TTLYcqWP</title></head><body bgcolor=#BEDADC link=#000099 vlink=#000099 style=tab-interval:.5in lang=EN-US><div class=Section1><table width=797 border=0 align=center bgcolor=#FFFFFF><tr><td><table width=795 border=1 bordercolor=005522><tr><td height=58 bgcolor=005927><div align=center><img src=http://www.geocities.com/piqqamen/name.jpg width=383 height=82></div></td></tr></table><table width=100% border=1 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 bordercolor=#006633><tr><td><blockquote><p><font color=#8080C0 size=6 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><B>Hop-on Wireless </B></font><font color=#8080C0 size=4 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">(OTC:HPON.PK)</font><br></p></blockquote></td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#CCCCCC><p align=center><font size=3 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><B>*Indian Carrier to Purchase 2 Million Hop-On Phones</B></font> *</p></td></tr><tr><td><blockquote><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font s!
ize=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Letter of Intent Represents Largest Order to Date and Entry Into GSM Market</font></p><p><font size=2><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">IRVINE, Calif., Apr 14, 2003 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- Hop-On (HPON), the leading developer of disposable and fully recyclable cell phones, today announced it has received a letter of intent for the purchase of two million phones. Under the terms of the letter of intent with Bharat Sanchar Nigam Ltd. (BSNL), India's state-run telecommunications carrier, the first Hop-On' GSM model disposable cell phone units will begin shipping in June, with the balance of the two million phones scheduled to ship throughout 2003.</font></font></p><p><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Peter Michaels, Chairman and CEO of Hop-On, commented, &quot;This letter of intent represents a very significant development for Hop-On and is the latest indication of our succe!
ss in establishing a global brand for affordable wireless services. From a strategic standpoint, the Indian market has the potential to become one of the world's largest markets. This market is attractive given its size, growth rate and the fact that the consumers' low-disposable income profile is ideally suited for our low-cost handset offerings. Indian carriers have already made very substantial investments in network hardware and related infrastructure costs. By working with Hop-On, they can now move traffic onto their networks faster and more cost effectively. As a result, consumers will get a low-cost solution and carriers will get the network traffic they need to justify their investments.&quot;</font></p></blockquote><p>&nbsp;</p></td></tr></table><table width=100% border=1 align=center name=info bordercolor=005522><tr><td width=6834 height=111><table width=100% border=0 align=center><tr><td width=392 height=226 bgcolor=#FFFFFF><blockquote><p><B><font color=#9999CC si!
ze=4 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">At a glance:</font></B></p><p><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hop-on Wireless is the developer of the world's first FCC approved disposable/recyclable cellular phone. Providing a much-needed alternative to contract cellular phone service and prepaid calling cards, this innovate new product brings the convenience and security of cellular service to everyone, regardless of age, income, or credit status. Unlike users of traditional cell phones, Hop-on users are not required to sign a contract or pay roaming charges, long distance or activation fees.</font></p><p><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><B><font color=#8080C0>Low Cost<br> </font></B>As an MVNO (Mobile Virtual Network Operator), op-on will be selling its phones with prepaid airtime purchased in bulk from existing wireless carriers. The phone will retail for $39.99, including 60 prepaid replenishable minutes, a hands-free !
earbud/microphone, and a battery charger. The price of the phone reflects a competitive calling rate, so there is virtually no investment in the phone itself. Users who choose not to purchase additional minutes can either recycle the phone for a rebate or simply discard it.</font></p><p><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font color=#8080C0><B>Quality, Reliability, and Functionality<br> </B></font>Hop-on phones can be used to both place and receive calls,offering the same basic functionality as traditional landline phones. They contain the same high-quality, reliable electronics as today's full-featured cell phones, but their cost has been minimized by eliminating LCD screens, address books, and other non-essential features.</font></p><p><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><B><font color=#8080C0>Target Market</font></B><br> The domestic wireless industry is a $63 billion wholesale market (phones and carrier revenue), and prepaid c!
alling cards generate over $3 billion in annual revenue to U. S. providers. Hop-on is targeting both domestic and international markets, addressing the needs of customers who either can't or don't want to obtain a cellular service contract, yet want the convenience and security of a cell phone.</font></p></blockquote><ul><li><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><B><font color=#8080C0>Children &amp; Teens</font></B> whose parents want them to be in touch, without having to entrust them with expensive equipment</font></li> <li><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><B><font color=#8080C0>Credit Challenged</font></B> can&#8217;t qualify for cellular contracts</font></li> <li><font color=#8080C0 size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><B>Senior Citizens</B></font><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> for security and convenience without contract obligations</font></li> <li><font color=#8080C0 size=2 face="V!
erdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><B>Business Users</B></font><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> for primary cell-phone backup and for roaming-free coverage when traveling</font></li> <li><font color=#8080C0 size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><B>Tourists</B></font><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> for convenience and economy either out of state or out of country</font></li></ul></td><td width=383 height=226 bgcolor=#FFFFFF><blockquote><p><img src=http://www.geocities.com/piqqamen/1.jpg></p><p><font color=#8080C0 size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><B>Recent Developments</B></font></p></blockquote><ul><li><font color=#8080C0 size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><B>January 3, 2003 </B></font><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">&#8212; Hop-on begins Midwest </font><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">distribution to over 300 retail loca!
tions</font></li> <li><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font><B><font color=#8080C0 size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">December 23, 2002</font></B><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">&#8212; Hop-on receives follow-on </font><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">order from Walgreens</font></li> <li><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font><B><font color=#8080C0 size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">December 17, 2002 </font></B><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">&#8212; InterDigital licenses Hop-on </font><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">under global multiple-standard royalty-bearingagreement </font></li><li><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font><B><font color=#8080C0 size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">November 26, 2002 </font></B><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, !
Helvetica, sans-serif">&#8212; Viasystems to manufacture </font><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">61,000 cell phones </font></li><li><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font><B><font color=#8080C0 size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">November 13, 2002 </font></B><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">&#8212; Hop-on signs deal with </font><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">national carrier <br> </font><B><font color=#8080C0 size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">October 23, 2002 </font></B><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">&#8212; Hop-on sign</font><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">s CDMA license </font><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">agreement with Qualcomm </font></li><li><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font><B><font color=#8080C0 size=2 face="Verdana, Arial!
, Helvetica, sans-serif">October 17, 2002 </font></B><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">&#8212; Hop-on launches initial </font><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">distribution of world&#8217;s first disposable, fully recyclable </font><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">cell phone </font></li><li><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font><B><font color=#8080C0 size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">July 25, 2002 </font></B><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">&#8212; FCC approves Hop-on&#8217;s CDMA </font><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">disposable cell phone</font></li></ul><blockquote><p><font color=#8080C0 size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><B>Investor Relations<br> </B></font><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">The Ruth Group, New York, NY <br> David Pasquale</font><font size=2 face="V!
erdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><br> (646) 536-7006<br> </font><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">dpasquale@theruthgroup.com</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p></p><p>&nbsp;</p></blockquote></td></tr></table></td></tr></table><table width=100% border=1 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 bordercolor=005522><tr><td height=66 nowrap><div align=center><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font><table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td width=5%><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img src=http://www.geocities.com/piqqamen/2.jpg align=left></font></td><td width=95%><p><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hop-onWireless, Inc. 2020 Main Street, Suite 110 Irvine, CA 92614<br> Phone: (949) 756-9008 Fax: (949) 756-9054<br> email: contact@hop-on.com<br> <font color=#8080C0>www.hop-on.com</font></font></p></td></tr></table></div></td></tr>!
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John Williams wrote in reply to today's mail but with this date stamp:
             Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:45:01 -0700

>     "Some of them are running from lovers, leaving no forward address,
>      Some of them are running tons of ganja, some are running from the IRS..."

Talk about living in the past...

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At 11:37 PM 4/16/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-16 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 07:39 PM 4/16/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >02003-04-16 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > >> And I don't bat my eyelashes to get anything done.  :-)
> > >
> > >What about Eyelashes?
> >
> > Well, a woman has to do whatever it takes sometimes!
>
>Batting eyelashes, ambiguously lying about it ... I HATE
>this sort of thing

Life is full of ambiguity. Deal with it.

Much love,
Betty

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At 07:02 AM 4/17/2003 -0500, you wrote:
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> > Keep smoking and you may get your wish.
>
>Alyce quit smoking.

When she had to.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> John Williams wrote in reply to today's mail but with this date stamp:
>              Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:45:01 -0700

    Damn "Bobsey's" on the night crew got nothing better to do than dick with the
settings on the desk computers.

JMW

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From: "GEORGE RADEBE" <gr6@phantomemail.com>
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Dear Sir

I am Mr.George Radebe, Bank Manager of Standard Bank Of South  Africa,Johannesburg. I have urgent and very confidential business  proposition for you. On June 6 1998, a gold merchant/contractor with the
Randgold Exploration Company, Mr. Jim Smith made a numbered time (Fixed)  deposited for twelve calendar months, valued at US$25,000,000.00  (Twenty-five Million Dollars) in my branch.

Upon maturity, I sent a routine notification to his forwarding address but  got no reply. After a month, we sent a reminder and finally we discovered  from his contract employers, Randgold Exploration company Ltd
that Mr. Jim Smith died from an automobile accident. On further  investigation, I found out that he did not leave a WILL and all attempts  to trace his next of kin were fruitless. I therefore made further  investigation and discovered that Mr. Jim Smith did not declare any next  of kin in all his official documents, including his Bank Deposit  paperwork.

This sum of US$25,000,000.00 is still sitting in the Bank and the interest  is being rolled over with the principal sum at the end of each year. No  one will come forward to claim it. According to the South African
Law, at the expiration of 5 (five) years, the money will revert to the  ownership of the South African Government{STATE} if nobody applies to  claim the funds. Consequently, my proposal is that I will like you as a
foreigner to stand in as the next of kin to Mr. Jim Smith so that the  fruits of this old man’s labour will not get into the hands of some  corrupt officials. This is simple, I will like you to provide me  immediately with your full names and address so that the attorney will  prepare the necessary documents and affidavits,which will put you in place  as the next of kin. I would also like you to scan your drivers license for  me.

We shall employ the services of two attorneys for drafting and  notarization of the WILL and obtain the necessary documents and letter of  probate/administration in your favour for the transfer. A bank account in  any part of the world, which you provide, will then facilitate the  transfer of this money to you as the beneficiary/next of kin. The money  will be paid into your account for us to share in the
ratio of 70% for me and 30% for you, There is no risk at all as all the  paperwork for this transaction will be done by the attorney and my  position as the Branch Manager guarantees the successful execution of this
transaction.

If you are interested, please reply immediately. Upon your response, I  shall then provide you with more details and relevant documents that will  help you understand. Please observe utmost confidentiality, and rest  assured that this transaction would be most profitable for both of us  because I shall require your assistance to invest
my share in your country.

Awaiting your urgent reply via email.

Thanks and regards,

Mr.George Radebe.

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John Williams wrote:

>     Damn "Bobsey's" on the night crew got nothing better to do than dick with the
> settings on the desk computers.

I thought maybe you just wanted to keep celebrating St. P's Day.  I see
you've moved into April now, though.

I had a WLM a little while ago while walking Spencer when I noticed two
new mattresses lying in a front yard in their plastic wrappers.  I was
tempted to go test them.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Wow! Words-l with 25 Million to spend on its parties.


cool!


alec


----- Original Message -----
From: "GEORGE RADEBE" <gr6@PHANTOMEMAIL.COM>
To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 12:35 AM
Subject: RADEBE


> Dear Sir
>
> I am Mr.George Radebe, Bank Manager of Standard Bank Of South
Africa,Johannesburg. I have urgent and very confidential business
proposition for you. On June 6 1998, a gold merchant/contractor with the
> Randgold Exploration Company, Mr. Jim Smith made a numbered time (Fixed)
deposited for twelve calendar months, valued at US$25,000,000.00
(Twenty-five Million Dollars) in my branch.
>
> Upon maturity, I sent a routine notification to his forwarding address but
got no reply. After a month, we sent a reminder and finally we discovered
from his contract employers, Randgold Exploration company Ltd
> that Mr. Jim Smith died from an automobile accident. On further
investigation, I found out that he did not leave a WILL and all attempts  to
trace his next of kin were fruitless. I therefore made further
investigation and discovered that Mr. Jim Smith did not declare any next  of
kin in all his official documents, including his Bank Deposit  paperwork.
>
> This sum of US$25,000,000.00 is still sitting in the Bank and the interest
is being rolled over with the principal sum at the end of each year. No  one
will come forward to claim it. According to the South African
> Law, at the expiration of 5 (five) years, the money will revert to the
ownership of the South African Government{STATE} if nobody applies to  claim
the funds. Consequently, my proposal is that I will like you as a
> foreigner to stand in as the next of kin to Mr. Jim Smith so that the
fruits of this old man's labour will not get into the hands of some  corrupt
officials. This is simple, I will like you to provide me  immediately with
your full names and address so that the attorney will  prepare the necessary
documents and affidavits,which will put you in place  as the next of kin. I
would also like you to scan your drivers license for  me.
>
> We shall employ the services of two attorneys for drafting and
notarization of the WILL and obtain the necessary documents and letter of
probate/administration in your favour for the transfer. A bank account in
any part of the world, which you provide, will then facilitate the  transfer
of this money to you as the beneficiary/next of kin. The money  will be paid
into your account for us to share in the
> ratio of 70% for me and 30% for you, There is no risk at all as all the
paperwork for this transaction will be done by the attorney and my  position
as the Branch Manager guarantees the successful execution of this
> transaction.
>
> If you are interested, please reply immediately. Upon your response, I
shall then provide you with more details and relevant documents that will
help you understand. Please observe utmost confidentiality, and rest
assured that this transaction would be most profitable for both of us
because I shall require your assistance to invest
> my share in your country.
>
> Awaiting your urgent reply via email.
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Mr.George Radebe.

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At 09:08 AM 04/17/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Do I have to tromp all over the area digging up the ivy, or would
>Roundup help, or what?

Use Ortho Brush-B-Gon. You'll have to do two applications about  a week apart

Larry

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>http://www.privatehand.com/flashanimation/elements.html

>alyce

You have made our entire office staff very happy today!

Thank you, Alyce!

AS

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I thought maybe you just wanted to keep celebrating St. P's Day.  I see
> you've moved into April now, though.

    I wouldn't mind.  This year I *liked* St. Paddy's Day.

JMW

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To see Bar Harbor's newest hotel visit
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> British squadron joins mourners of Navy Lt. Thomas Adams
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At 02:46 PM 4/17/2003 -0400, alyce cresap wrote:

Thank you.  It brought back memories of undergraduate school, listening to
my nearly worn-out 33 1/3 of
an Evening Wasted..."

cwv

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In a message dated 04/17/2003 1:46:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<<
http://www.privatehand.com/flashanimation/elements.html

>>

Tom Lehrer's song?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium..."

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Larry Clark wrote:

> Use Ortho Brush-B-Gon. You'll have to do two applications about  a week apart

Thanks!!

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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My neighbor just ran mine all over with a lawn mower and
ripped it out.  No need for agent orange.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Larry Clark wrote:
>
>
>>Use Ortho Brush-B-Gon. You'll have to do two applications about  a week apart
>>
>
> Thanks!!
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>


--
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>My neighbor just ran mine all over with a lawn mower and
ripped it out.  No need for agent orange.

Well, shucks! :).

AS

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>From the NY Times:

>"A Mighty Wind," Christopher Guest's latest trompe l'oeil satire (following
>"Waiting for Guffman" and "Best in Show") almost makes you believe that
>Mitch and Mickey were real, which is an impressive stunt. More than that,
it >makes you almost wish that they were, which is something of a miracle.

(folksingers, that is)

"Coming to a theater near you ..."

AS

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At 10:32 PM 4/17/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> From the NY Times:
>
> >"A Mighty Wind," Christopher Guest's latest trompe l'oeil satire (following
> >"Waiting for Guffman" and "Best in Show") almost makes you believe that
> >Mitch and Mickey were real, which is an impressive stunt. More than that,
>it >makes you almost wish that they were, which is something of a miracle.
>
>(folksingers, that is)
>
>"Coming to a theater near you ..."

Have you seen it?  Are you going to see it?

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Betty writes,

>Have you seen it?  Are you going to see it?

Unlike other reviews, the San Jose Mercury reviewer gave it a ho-hum:
<http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/5639411.htm>.

Pete

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Wow! Words-l with 25 Million to spend on its parties.
>
> cool!

Yeah... you missed this:

> > The money  will be paid
> >into your account for us to share in the
> > ratio of 70% for me and 30% for you,

Kr.

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> >"A Mighty Wind," Christopher Guest's latest trompe l'oeil satire
(following
> >"Waiting for Guffman" and "Best in Show") almost makes you believe that
> >Mitch and Mickey were real, which is an impressive stunt. More than that,
>it >makes you almost wish that they were, which is something of a miracle.
>
>(folksingers, that is)
>
>"Coming to a theater near you ..."

>Have you seen it?  Are you going to see it?

I believe it opened yesterday. I will see it as soon as I have a chance --
which may be a few days. I've really enjoyed Guest's earlier stuff.

AS

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I always think of you, BB, when drinking coffee from my Block Island
mug, which I am doing right now.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kristin Sarv" <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE>
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> "Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
> > Wow! Words-l with 25 Million to spend on its parties.
> >
> > cool!
>
> Yeah... you missed this:
>
> > > The money  will be paid
> > >into your account for us to share in the
> > > ratio of 70% for me and 30% for you,
>
> Kr.

Thanks. It is money, so I am not picky.


alec

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17:51 17.04.2003 -0400 skrev clyde w. voigtlander:
>At 02:46 PM 4/17/2003 -0400, alyce cresap wrote:
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>Thank you.  It brought back memories of undergraduate school, listening to
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I bought the CDs some years ago. My LPs burned when my attic burned in 1993, but I had the first album as a kind of half size LP. The text is different in the Tom Lehrer Revisited in the Lobachevski-song: here Brigitte Bardot is going to play the hypotenus while in my "original" LP it was Ingrid Bergman.

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What does sieving eggs and cheese mean?  Squshing them through a sieve?
I guess that's the obvious answer.  I've been thinking about what to
take to this year's Lamb Roast (Sunday) and decided to look through some
cookbooks instead of using my usual tried-and-true index cards.  I was
reading the recipe for "Congealed Vegetable Salad," finding it
interesting, though it requires a mold, which I don't have.  It calls
for hard-boiled eggs "sliced or sieved."  And the dressing calls for 2
TBS "sieved Roquefort cheese."  Almost certainly I'm not going to do
this recipe, but I was curious about sieving.  What kind of sieve?  I
think I have one somewhere that I have a vague memory of having used for
something like lawnmower oil.

Meanwhile, though, there's another insteresting recipe that I'm
considering because it sounds so horrible but is perhaps wonderful:
"Congealed Asparagus Salad."  It involves canned cut asparagus (the
juice used for the congealing of the gelatin), lime gelatin, mayonnaise,
salt, Worcestershire, dry mustand, grated Cheddar cheese, grated onion,
vinegar or lemon juice, chopped almonds, half and half, and a dash of
Tobasco.  Nasty-sounding combination. All of those ingredients are fine
in their places, but I'm having trouble imagining them in combination.
I may just have to find out what it's like.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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That all sounds pretty nasty. Blech to gelatin "salads".

I've never heard of "sieving". I would imagine you could take a (wide?) mesh strainer and push the eggs and cheese through.

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
Date: Friday, April 18, 2003 10:24 am
Subject: Sieving?  (IMFTAOTL)

> What does sieving eggs and cheese mean?  Squshing them through a
> sieve?I guess that's the obvious answer.  I've been thinking about
> what to
> take to this year's Lamb Roast (Sunday) and decided to look
> through some
> cookbooks instead of using my usual tried-and-true index cards.  I was
> reading the recipe for "Congealed Vegetable Salad," finding it
> interesting, though it requires a mold, which I don't have.  It calls
> for hard-boiled eggs "sliced or sieved."  And the dressing calls
> for 2
> TBS "sieved Roquefort cheese."  Almost certainly I'm not going to do
> this recipe, but I was curious about sieving.  What kind of sieve?
> I
> think I have one somewhere that I have a vague memory of having
> used for
> something like lawnmower oil.
>
> Meanwhile, though, there's another insteresting recipe that I'm
> considering because it sounds so horrible but is perhaps wonderful:
> "Congealed Asparagus Salad."  It involves canned cut asparagus (the
> juice used for the congealing of the gelatin), lime gelatin,
> mayonnaise,salt, Worcestershire, dry mustand, grated Cheddar
> cheese, grated onion,
> vinegar or lemon juice, chopped almonds, half and half, and a dash of
> Tobasco.  Nasty-sounding combination. All of those ingredients are
> finein their places, but I'm having trouble imagining them in
> combination.I may just have to find out what it's like.
>
> --
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>

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On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> "Congealed Asparagus Salad."  It involves canned cut asparagus (the
> juice used for the congealing of the gelatin), lime gelatin, mayonnaise,
> salt, Worcestershire, dry mustand, grated Cheddar cheese, grated onion,
> vinegar or lemon juice, chopped almonds, half and half, and a dash of
> Tobasco.

You make this, then you put it on the sideboard where all the other dishes
are; you go to the bathroom and check your makeup, take off your frilly
apron; and RUN TO MEXICO TO START A NEW LIFE!

Oh, I forgot the left-out canned asparagus.  You sprinkle these behind you
so all pursuers will trip and fall.

Ann

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > "Congealed Asparagus Salad."  It involves canned cut asparagus (the
> > juice used for the congealing of the gelatin), lime gelatin, mayonnaise,
> > salt, Worcestershire, dry mustand, grated Cheddar cheese, grated onion,
> > vinegar or lemon juice, chopped almonds, half and half, and a dash of
> > Tobasco.

    This sounds unspeakably vile.  Although if I had to guess I'd suppose that
sieving would be more properly termed "ricing".

> You make this, then you put it on the sideboard where all the other dishes
> are; you go to the bathroom and check your makeup, take off your frilly
> apron; and RUN TO MEXICO TO START A NEW LIFE!
>
> Oh, I forgot the left-out canned asparagus.  You sprinkle these behind you
> so all pursuers will trip and fall.

    Oh, roar.  8-)
    (Slow day there too, huh?)

JMW

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Natalie:
>"Congealed Asparagus Salad."

For those with an interest in such
things, James Lileks's "Gallery of
Regrettable Food" can be found here:

http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/index.html

...along with many other treasures.

--
Richard              . * .

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John Williams wrote:
> > > "Congealed Asparagus Salad."  It involves canned cut asparagus (the
> > > juice used for the congealing of the gelatin), lime gelatin, mayonnaise,
> > > salt, Worcestershire, dry mustand, grated Cheddar cheese, grated onion,
> > > vinegar or lemon juice, chopped almonds, half and half, and a dash of
> > > Tobasco.
>
>     This sounds unspeakably vile.  Although if I had to guess I'd suppose that
> sieving would be more properly termed "ricing".

It's mainly the lime jello, half and half, and asparagus combination
that sounds <wrong> to me.  But I'm so intrigued by it that I want to
make it.  Otoh, I started looking through my index cards and found some
easier, greener things I could do.  I'm feeling less motivated to
experiment now.  Am thinking instead about going to the Co-op to look
for Ortho and tackling the ivy.  Or maybe I should tackle some of the
boxes in my junkroom.  Life is full of too many choices.  I fear that
today is going to be one of these sieved sorts of days -- dribbled
through the hole with not much accomplished.

>     (Slow day there too, huh?)

At least it's April in California.  (I haven't seen Annbork's original
yet but saw your attribution.)  I hope you're enjoying March 18.

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> That all sounds pretty nasty. Blech to gelatin "salads".

I love most congealed salads.  I've got a good recipe for a fruit one
that I could do for Sunday, but I've done it a zillion times.  I also
love that old "green glob" salad that I think we've discussed before --
very fatty.  My favorite congealed item is tomato aspic, but I never
make it -- I just enjoy it when others have made it.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> It's mainly the lime jello, half and half, and asparagus combination
> that sounds <wrong> to me.  But I'm so intrigued by it that I want to
> make it.

Ok, you're free to decide on your own. But don't say you were not warned!

Kristin

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You'd be very happy in Poland. Nearly everything we ate there was either congealed
or pickled.



BrP



>
> I love most congealed salads.  I've got a good recipe for a fruit one
> that I could do for Sunday, but I've done it a zillion times.  I also
> love that old "green glob" salad that I think we've discussed before --
> very fatty.  My favorite congealed item is tomato aspic, but I never
> make it -- I just enjoy it when others have made it.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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would someone please send me her e-mail address? I stupidly just lost
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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> > It's mainly the lime jello, half and half, and asparagus combination
> > that sounds <wrong> to me.  But I'm so intrigued by it that I want to
> > make it.
>
> Ok, you're free to decide on your own. But don't say you were not warned!

Ah, but remember I was the first one to say that it sounded <nasty>.
But one person's nasty is another person's nutritional nirvana.  I'm
leaning against it now, though.  I'm now considering the possibility of
"Minted Pea Salad":  fresh or frozen English peas, mayonnaise, sour
cream, sliced green onions, minced fresh mint, Dijon mustard, salt,
white pepper.  Served on Radicchio leaves, but I would leave out that
part since this will be a scoop it onto your already-crowded plate deal.

The mint is what caught my eye.  Since the meat will be lamb (the host
grills lamb outside -- the guests bring other food and a bottle of
wine), the mint sounds <fitting>.  I need to go check my neighbors'
mint.  I'm sure it's still there.  (They told me a long time ago to feel
free to dig some up and plant it, but I haven't gotten around to doing
that.)  I guess one can buy fresh mint in stores.  I've never noticed
since so many people have it growing in flowerbeds etc.

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> You'd be very happy in Poland. Nearly everything we ate there was either congealed
> or pickled.

I was planning on going to Poland once a long time ago, but that was
part of the trip to Russia that got canceled, when I decided to use the
time to go to Morocco.  I'm not sure that I would want everything in my
life to be congealed.  Just some things.  And I'm not fond of pickled.
I hate it when I get beets in the cafeteria and discover that they're
pickled.  (They usually aren't, though.)

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> would someone please send me her e-mail address? I stupidly just lost
> it.

If somebody doesn't come through with it, let me know.  I just did a
brief hunt for it without success, but I know that I must have it
somewhere.  I can continue the search if needed.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> "Minted Pea Salad":  fresh or frozen English peas, mayonnaise, sour
> cream, sliced green onions, minced fresh mint, Dijon mustard, salt,
> white pepper.

Seized by an inspiration I once added mint to chicken. Well, the family
consented to eat it... amazed expression on their faces. I dared not to do it
ever since. In my opinion it was not all that bad. Perhaps next time (but the
first and only one was years ago) when I cannot resist the idea I should think
of other herbs or spices together with mint to balance the thing. Mustard, yes,
maybe green pepper or something, I do not know. When the inspiration is there I
just smell the boxes of different spices and add what seems right.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Seized by an inspiration I once added mint to chicken. Well, the family
> consented to eat it... amazed expression on their faces. I dared not to do it
> ever since. In my opinion it was not all that bad. Perhaps next time (but the

It sounds good to me.  Meanwhile, I stumbled upon several more congealed
asparagus salad recipes that didn't have the strange combination of
half&half and lime jello.  They used unflavored gelatin and no cream.
But I've moved on to the decision, I think, of going with the easiest
salad recipe -- throwing together canned French-style green beans,
garbanzos, artichokes, and maybe something else -- can't remember for
sure -- and pouring Italian dressing on it.

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I'm loving sitting here beside the window listening to the birds sing on
this gorgeous day.  In a way it would be a good day to work in the yard,
but it's even more fun to just sit and listen to the sounds and smell
the smells.  I was thinking that today might not be a good day to try to
kill ivy.  It might arise from the dead.

Maybe I'll take Spencer to run on the North Farm.  We haven't done that
in a while.  I guess I really should accomplish some of the things I was
going to accomplish today, but then why?  I need to learn to stop
thinking that way as I approach real retirement.
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>I bought the CDs some years ago. My LPs burned when my attic burned in
1993, but I had the first album as a kind of half size LP. The text is
different in the Tom Lehrer Revisited in the Lobachevski-song: here Brigitte
Bardot is going to play the hypotenus while in my "original" LP it was
Ingrid Bergman.


>Espen

What a scream. My uncle, the musician, tells me that he also had the 33s and
even had a Tom Lehrer songbook with music and lyrics to about 20 songs.
After I showed Uncle H the site and he saw that the CDs could be ordered he
replied:

"I'm just glad to know that they are being preserved for future warped minds
to enjoy!"

AS

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alyce cresap wrote:

> would someone please send me her e-mail address? I stupidly just lost
> it.

Old addresses may be of no value, but I found as saved a post from the
listserv from the year 2002:

ndhar@IX.NETCOM.COM                      Nancy Harwood

Today, in the answer to my 'review words-l' query there was no Nancy's
address, of course, the only Harwood was:

susanhk@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU                  Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik

Kristin

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"no straight, chaser" wrote:

> For those with an interest in such
> things, James Lileks's "Gallery of
> Regrettable Food" can be found here:
>
> http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/index.html
>
> ...along with many other treasures.

    Be forewarned, however, that Jim Lileks can be habit-forming, and
writes faster than most of us can read.  8-)

JMW

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I was looking through a few Southern Livings for recipes before deciding
for sure just to go for the simple salad, and I stumbled upon an essay
that made me think of Bonnie.  It's by Jill McCorkle, who moved to New
England from the South ten years ago.

Excerpts:
"What do I miss about the South?  This is a question I have often been
asked during my decade of living in New England.  My clipped version --
let's say it's four o'clock on a winter afternoon, the sun has already
set, the temperature has dipped into the teens, and piles of snow
surround us -- goes something like this:  family, friends, food,
foliage.  On the other hand, the lengthier Southern version could take
hours."
"I miss drinking iced tea in winter.  When I first got here and ordered
it in a restaurant, the waiter told me it was 'out of season.'  I said,
'What?  Do you have to go shoot it?'  I miss the way people politely
laugh even if they don't get your joke.  I miss being the one who does
not have an accent and people saying 'Hey' with more than one syllable."
"I miss stories, thick with descriptions and innendoes.  'I have to tell
you what Betty said.  But first, you remember Betty?  She grew up in the
house that used to be where that First Union bank is now.  You know, she
has a terrible time with arthritis, but that's nothing compared to her
marriage.  So, what did she say?  Oh yeah, she said she would never
order the full-size vegetable plate at Cracker Barrel again -- too much
food.'  Eavesdropping is not as good up here.  For one thing, it all
gets said way too fast."
"I miss the kind of familiarity people offer one another in the South --
'the kindness of strangers.'  I like making eye contact and saying
'Hello' to everyone.  Once, when my parents came to visit, I noticed
that my poor dad stood up each and every time a woman or an older
gentleman got on the train.  I told him that I was nine months pregnant
and had only been offered a seat once."
"I miss the open expressions of compassion that I always knew growing up
in the South.  It really nit me nine years ago when Dad was dying.  I
was in the grocery story looking for grits (they had no grits), pimiento
cheese (no pimiento cheese), country ham (still no!), and MoonPies
(forget it).  I felt like I was going to cry and said to the woman
behind me, 'My dad is dying, and I don't know what in the hell to cook
for dinner.'  She looked at me and made some noncommittal sound like
'huh' and moved on.  As I stood there and watched her leaving me all
alone at the meat counter, I conjured what would have happened in the
South:  The woman would turn and wrap her arm around my shoulders and
say, 'Bless your heart.  You don't need to be worrying about dinner with
such a big sad thing going on.  Just swing by the Colonel's and get
yourself a big bucket of chicken.'"

It goes on, but I'm tired of typing.
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Thanks for all that, Natalie.  It makes me remember some of the things I
hated about the South.  Needless to say, I don't miss a thing.

>I was looking through a few Southern Livings for recipes before deciding
>for sure just to go for the simple salad, and I stumbled upon an essay
>that made me think of Bonnie.  It's by Jill McCorkle, who moved to New
>England from the South ten years ago.
>
>Excerpts:
>"What do I miss about the South?  This is a question I have often been
>asked during my decade of living in New England.  My clipped version --
>let's say it's four o'clock on a winter afternoon, the sun has already
>set, the temperature has dipped into the teens, and piles of snow
>surround us -- goes something like this:  family, friends, food,
>foliage.  On the other hand, the lengthier Southern version could take
>hours."
>"I miss drinking iced tea in winter.  When I first got here and ordered
>it in a restaurant, the waiter told me it was 'out of season.'  I said,
>'What?  Do you have to go shoot it?'  I miss the way people politely
>laugh even if they don't get your joke.  I miss being the one who does
>not have an accent and people saying 'Hey' with more than one syllable."
>"I miss stories, thick with descriptions and innendoes.  'I have to tell
>you what Betty said.  But first, you remember Betty?  She grew up in the
>house that used to be where that First Union bank is now.  You know, she
>has a terrible time with arthritis, but that's nothing compared to her
>marriage.  So, what did she say?  Oh yeah, she said she would never
>order the full-size vegetable plate at Cracker Barrel again -- too much
>food.'  Eavesdropping is not as good up here.  For one thing, it all
>gets said way too fast."
>"I miss the kind of familiarity people offer one another in the South --
>'the kindness of strangers.'  I like making eye contact and saying
>'Hello' to everyone.  Once, when my parents came to visit, I noticed
>that my poor dad stood up each and every time a woman or an older
>gentleman got on the train.  I told him that I was nine months pregnant
>and had only been offered a seat once."
>"I miss the open expressions of compassion that I always knew growing up
>in the South.  It really nit me nine years ago when Dad was dying.  I
>was in the grocery story looking for grits (they had no grits), pimiento
>cheese (no pimiento cheese), country ham (still no!), and MoonPies
>(forget it).  I felt like I was going to cry and said to the woman
>behind me, 'My dad is dying, and I don't know what in the hell to cook
>for dinner.'  She looked at me and made some noncommittal sound like
>'huh' and moved on.  As I stood there and watched her leaving me all
>alone at the meat counter, I conjured what would have happened in the
>South:  The woman would turn and wrap her arm around my shoulders and
>say, 'Bless your heart.  You don't need to be worrying about dinner with
>such a big sad thing going on.  Just swing by the Colonel's and get
>yourself a big bucket of chicken.'"
>
>It goes on, but I'm tired of typing.
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:
>
> Thanks for all that, Natalie.  It makes me remember some of the things I
> hated about the South.  Needless to say, I don't miss a thing.

I knew you'd like it the minute I started reading it.

Meanwhile, I've decided on chilled corn salad.

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At 11:07 AM 4/18/2003 -0500, no straight, chaser wrote:

>For those with an interest in such
>things, James Lileks's "Gallery of
>Regrettable Food" can be found ..

Thank you.  The two on meat are classic.

cwv

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On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, John Williams wrote:

>     (Slow day there too, huh?)

Slow day on words-l, so I actually took the time to read through most of
the messages.  I guess that's desperation time, huh.

Guess I'll go chase some urls.  Somebody already took too much of my lunch
hour so I can't go out.

Ann

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I was looking through a few Southern Livings for recipes before deciding
> for sure just to go for the simple salad, and I stumbled upon an essay
> that made me think of Bonnie.  It's by Jill McCorkle, who moved to New
> England from the South ten years ago.

    The date of said issue, please?

JMW

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At 06:45 AM 4/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I always think of you, BB, when drinking coffee from my Block Island
>mug, which I am doing right now.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Good morning!  Mine has a chip but I keep it.  Great mugs.

Betty

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> Guess I'll go chase some urls.  Somebody already took too much of my lunch
> hour so I can't go out.

Here's one somebody just sent me.  I think this person (the speech, not
the person who sent it to me) is one of those movie stars y'all were
talking about recently:

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0416-01.htm


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John Williams wrote:
> > I was looking through a few Southern Livings for recipes before deciding
> > for sure just to go for the simple salad, and I stumbled upon an essay
> > that made me think of Bonnie.  It's by Jill McCorkle, who moved to New
> > England from the South ten years ago.
>
>     The date of said issue, please?

It's more recent than what's on the SL website, which I looked at before
doing all that typing.  The website seems way behind.  Lemme check the
issue.
...
Ok, it says "Special Issue" on the front, with no date.  Inside it says
"Spring 2003."  I think it came pretty recently -- maybe around the time
the April issue came.  This essay is on the last page -- the "Southern
Journal" page.

I just noticed that the front says "Special Issue" and then "Southern
Living Favorites."  It has cake on the front.

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Betty Clark wrote:

> Good morning!  Mine has a chip but I keep it.  Great mugs.

You're late.  It's not even California morning anymore.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Ok, it says "Special Issue" on the front, with no date.

    Got it !  Thanks!

JMW

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I still haven't watched last night's Survivor.  I'm happy nobody has
said anything about it.  I rewound the tape when I got home from the
party last night and will watch it tonight.

The party was fun.  I couldn't believe some of the stuff the person who
did my toast/speech had dug up -- lots of funny stories, after the usual
brief serious stuff about professional life.  They gave me a beautiful
silver tray with kind words engraved on front and back.

Meanwhile, this beautiful day is oozing away.  I think I'll take Spencer
for a longer-than-usual regular walk instead of going out to the North
Farm.  We might do that tomorrow.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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Congratulations, Natalie.  I missed the party announcement in the
Words-l thick days.  Happy Retirement!

Ann

On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor
wrote:

> I still haven't watched last night's Survivor.  I'm happy nobody has
> said anything about it.  I rewound the tape when I got home from the
> party last night and will watch it tonight.
>
> The party was fun.  I couldn't believe some of the stuff the person who
> did my toast/speech had dug up -- lots of funny stories, after the usual
> brief serious stuff about professional life.  They gave me a beautiful
> silver tray with kind words engraved on front and back.
>
> Meanwhile, this beautiful day is oozing away.  I think I'll take Spencer
> for a longer-than-usual regular walk instead of going out to the North
> Farm.  We might do that tomorrow.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>

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>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 4:25 PM
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>
>I still haven't watched last night's Survivor.  I'm happy nobody has
>said anything about it.  I rewound the tape when I got home from the
>party last night and will watch it tonight.
>

They booted everyone off the show:)


The show was a rehash of the season.



alec

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On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor
wrote:

>The party was fun.  I couldn't believe some of the stuff the person who
>did my toast/speech had dug up -- lots of funny stories, after the usual
>brief serious stuff about professional life.  They gave me a beautiful
>silver tray with kind words engraved on front and back.

You had a retirement party - kewl! How did you manage to dress
for this important occasion without wordslur assistance?

>Meanwhile, this beautiful day is oozing away.

I'm guessing you had the day off. It's a cold, rainy, work day here.
Doesn't look like spring, doesn't feel like spring.

-rashmi


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On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Amy Burns Short wrote:

A> What a scream. My uncle, the musician, tells me that he also had the 33s and
A> even had a Tom Lehrer songbook with music and lyrics to about 20 songs.

        I do not believe that I am your uncle, but I do have three vinyl
albums and a songbook, "Too Many Songs by Tom Lehrer."  The albums I got
recently from my aunt, who was cleaning out her record collection, as she
no longer has a record player.  The songbook I found in the campus
bookstore when I was in college (and immediately bought, because a friend
had played some Lehrer songs for me years earlier in middle school).

A> After I showed Uncle H the site and he saw that the CDs could be ordered he
A> replied:
A>
A> "I'm just glad to know that they are being preserved for future warped minds
A> to enjoy!"

        Me too!  He slaughters a few sacred cows, which usually needs
doing, and some of the songs are obsolete because of changing political
situations, but they're all still great.

--
Take care,
Tom Lee (flint@kiva.net)
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> > There is something about Natalie's "I'm just a know-nothing little girl"
> > diction which you and I are immune to, but affects some peopel
>powerfully.
> > I don't *know* that this is true, but it's the only explanation.
>
>No, the explanation might be that Rashmi is an electrical engineer.  If

It has nothing to do with being an engineer. I'm going by
what I know about Natalie (from her postings). She's capable,
independent, and has loads of financial common sense - she's had
a long career, buys and sells cars, property, travelled the world
and managed fine on her own and there's not much I can tell her.
She may be mutant, naive she's not.

Every few months she describes some situation (any situation will
do - doesn't have to be about electricity) and it always ends with
a looong thread, lotsa advice from all sides and Natalie having
known all along what to do.

I can't think of an example now but will speak up next time I see
it happen.

Maybe it's as Betty said - it's a way to kill list time that I
haven't got the hang of yet.

-rashmi

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[Note:  You are not required to read past the first two words, AnnBork.
The rest is just rambles.]

Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> Congratulations, Natalie.  I missed the party announcement in the
> Words-l thick days.  Happy Retirement!

Thank you!  Not that I'm necessarily totally retiring, of course, but
it's true that I am not likely to be teaching many more courses, if
any.  The timing of the retirement party wasn't really about that,
though.  It was just that things were too sudden and hectic at the time
I and two others in my department officially retired last summer, and it
was clear that two of the three of us would be working pretty much full
time for all of this year.  (The other person hasn't done any teaching,
but he was serving as editor of the SACS five-year review -- the big
accreditation thing -- and is also editor of the Mississippi Quarterly,
a journal in AmLit.  So he was rehired to continue doing that stuff.
And I knew, of course, that I would be rehired to teach all the courses
I would normally have taught this year since there was nobody else to
teach them.)

So far I've done the same amount of teaching while retired that I would
have if not retired (except for not teaching second term summer school
last year).  The rules say that a retired person can't work more than
half time during a fiscal year, but that was easy to satisfy since
teaching is far from everything we do and since I won't be teaching
first term summer school this year -- that would definitely be illegal.
I've been asked about the possibility of teaching Intro to Linguistics
second term this summer, but I'm saying no to that since it would screw
up AcadiaFest.  Nobody is left in the lurch by my saying no since
students who need it for TESOL certification know the course sequence --
know that that course is promised fall semesters only, that it is
occasionally taught in ss but not every summer.  Fall is uncertain.
There are three required linguistics courses (required of some students
for some purposes -- Descriptive English Grammar for English-Ed students
and two of the four required TESOL-certification courses).  The new
TESOL person we've hired will teach 2/2 since that's what new Assistant
Professors are given their first year these days.  (It changes to 3/2
the next year.)  So he will teach two of those three courses.  We are
pretty sure that our other linguist is not coming back from Korea, so
that will leave one course.  I don't know whether the person who has
been commuting from Tuscaloosa this semester to teach two courses would
be interested in commuting that pretty sizable distance to teach just
one course.  If not, I will probably do it.

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> The show was a rehash of the season.

Ahhh.  I was thinking yesterday while setting the vcr timer about how
they usually at some point mid-season do a recap.  So that's what last
night was?  I'll watch it tonight anyway since I have the tape, but it
does seem that the gods were smiling on me to make it a recap on the
night I missed (though I did miss and have to tape it a couple of other
times a few weeks ago).

Speaking of smiling gods, what happens if you find a 4-leaf clover but
give it away?  Does that mean you're giving away your luck, or does it
mean the gods smile on you for your kindness?  When I raised that
question to the person I gave it to, he said that surely it meant that
we'd both have double luck.  I spotted it near a curb when Spencer and I
had first set out on our walk this afternoon.  We were going in the
opposite direction from usual to go down a different street.  I picked
the 4-leaf clover and was holding it in my hand as we walked, saw a
friend pulling out of his old driveway (old as in they've moved locally
and are selling the house the driveway of which he was pulling out of),
and we had a nice conversation.  I gave him the 4-leaf clover.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> You had a retirement party - kewl! How did you manage to dress
> for this important occasion without wordslur assistance?

Hmm.  I can't remember ever asking Wurslur assistance about what to wear
to an <event>.  Have I?  I've asked packing questions re odd climates, I
know, but I'm trying to remember any other clothes questions I might
have asked.  What I wore last night was not at all important.  I can
tell from your question that you have been out there in the non-academic
world too long!  Who in the academic world (or at least in a department
within A&S) would care?

What I wore:  a longish, side-slit (both sides) gold and black skirt
with black, t-shirtish top, black Birkenstocks -- Floridas, I think they
are.

> I'm guessing you had the day off.

Yes.  I think I mentioned that we always have this Friday holiday in
either late March or in April that is called Spring Holiday.  I've
noticed that for some reason Easter is always two days after it, but we
do not have religious holidays.  The holidays in late December --
holidays for staff -- students are between semesters then -- are called
Winter Holidays.
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Kristin Sarv wrote:
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>                  >
> Today, in the answer to my 'review words-l' query there was no Nancy's
> address, of course, the only Harwood was:

I have it now, thanks, Kristin.

alyce

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Every few months she describes some situation (any situation will
> do - doesn't have to be about electricity) and it always ends with
> a looong thread, lotsa advice from all sides and Natalie having
> known all along what to do.

Not true -- re knowing all along what to do.  I've gotten tons and tons
of good advice/solutions on Words-L, from computer questions to
questions about clipping off electrical wires when taking down light
fixtures to questions about killing ivy (didn't get to the Co-op today
-- did look at Wmart's offerings, but they have only the lesser siblings
of Ortho Brush-B-Gon -- things like Weeds-B-Gon) to questions about
digital-camera squirtings, etc. etc.

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On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>The party was fun.  I couldn't believe some of the stuff the person who
>did my toast/speech had dug up -- lots of funny stories, after the usual
>brief serious stuff about professional life.  They gave me a beautiful
>silver tray with kind words engraved on front and back.

So you had a retirement party? Glad it went well.

Bethany

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On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Yes.  I think I mentioned that we always have this Friday holiday in
>either late March or in April that is called Spring Holiday.  I've
>noticed that for some reason Easter is always two days after it, but we
>do not have religious holidays.  The holidays in late December --

LOL! At UT we have a week-long Spring Break, then a few days later a
one-day Friday "Spring Recess."

Bethany

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Just got e-mail with subject-header "Sassie Needs Spencer."  The body of
the mail was a large picture of a dog.  Although I can't figure out the
address it came from, I know in general who it was from -- a friend who
commutes between Starkville and Georgia (her husband lives in Georgia)
and has too many dogs, one of whom is named Sassie.  She has mentioned
before the need for Sassie to find another home.

I can't do it.  Well, ok.  I suppose I could keep filling up my house
and yard with dogs.  But I shouldn't do it.  There are a thousand down
sides to doing it.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> LOL! At UT we have a week-long Spring Break, then a few days later a
> one-day Friday "Spring Recess."

We have a week-long "Mid-Semester Break" -- always called Spring Break
unoffically but officially named Mid-Semester Break.  It doesn't vary
very much.  It's the second week in March.  It's the floating Friday in
late March or early (or mid this year) April that is named "Spring
Holiday."

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02003-04-18 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> It has nothing to do with being an engineer. I'm going by
> what I know about Natalie (from her postings). She's capable,
> independent, and has loads of financial common sense - she's had
> a long career, buys and sells cars, property, travelled the world
> and managed fine on her own and there's not much I can tell her.
> She may be mutant, naive she's not.
>
> Every few months she describes some situation (any situation will
> do - doesn't have to be about electricity) and it always ends with
> a looong thread, lotsa advice from all sides and Natalie having
> known all along what to do.

It's more like, people attributing an incredible lack of clue
to Natalie. It must be something about her, uh, "affect".

> I can't think of an example now but will speak up next time I see
> it happen.

I did it once ... ONCE. Or maybe twice--however many times, it
was about a relatively non-real-life topic: Unix. It was in the
era when Natalie posted 18,000 words a day about Unix being "so
logical" and typed "faster and faster". The moment I detected
the pattern I was falling into, I stopped.

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02003-04-17 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> One of the things my family always does at reunions is a swap meet kind
> of thing. I'm not sure which I like better, getting rid of my own junk or
> getting someone else's. There are a few items that appear over and over
> and make the rounds among the sibs.

I have a vague memory that somebody in our family tried this. Maybe it
was stopped due to total lack of interest--in which case I am proud of
my family.

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02003-04-17 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >Alyce's mention of them reminded me of our need for them and how we've
> >started a quest. I'll also admit that I would like to have a token from
> >Alyce for personal reasons that I haven't shared with anyone, including
> >Alyce.
> >lisa
>
> Oh, sure.  And you don't want any token from me.  Alright, be that
> way.   :-(   <sniff, sniff>

Send it to me--I'll set it next to the "Last Pint of the Millennium"
glass J*** gave me in a moment of drunken generosity ... when would
that be? Oh yeah, December 99. You think I could sell it for $99 on
the antiques show some time?

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Someone:

> You sick mentally sick fuck!

Isn't it kind of no-class to berate someone who you think
is "mentally sick"? Shut up and let it blow over ...

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> It's more like, people attributing an incredible lack of clue
> to Natalie. It must be something about her, uh, "affect".

Hmm.  I'm surprised that I remember this, though I do remember it.
Remember way back when I faked mail to Bonnie and Clyde, when they were
still living in Oak Ridge, from a real estate agent in Bar Harbor?  That
was back when faking mail was easier -- as in finding routes to fake it
through made it hard to catch, though the process itself was a bit
cumbersome.  There was list discussion of who might have done the deed,
and you swore that it couldn't have been me.  Twas me, though.  I can't
remember now what exactly it said except that something about trailer
parks was mentioned, since I think that's back with Giggles was talking
about trailer parks.

> > I can't think of an example now but will speak up next time I see
> > it happen.
>
> I did it once ... ONCE. Or maybe twice--however many times, it
> was about a relatively non-real-life topic: Unix. It was in the
> era when Natalie posted 18,000 words a day about Unix being "so
> logical" and typed "faster and faster". The moment I detected
> the pattern I was falling into, I stopped.

I don't remember this.  I mean I do remember posting about how logical
Unix was -- it still is -- I still love Unix.  But I don't remember how
that might have been an example of whatever or what pattern was
involved.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> 02003-04-17 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > One of the things my family always does at reunions is a swap meet kind
> > of thing. I'm not sure which I like better, getting rid of my own junk or
> > getting someone else's. There are a few items that appear over and over
> > and make the rounds among the sibs.
>
> I have a vague memory that somebody in our family tried this. Maybe it
> was stopped due to total lack of interest--in which case I am proud of
> my family.

I'm trying to imagine my RRB&SIL engaging in such an activity.  I'd
rather have BrP's siblings, to say the least.

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I wish I could cadge another invitation to Prof M****y's house (the
name coincides with a certain wordsler). There's a ton of LPs in there
which I think nobody else has ... And guess what his son, growing up
surrounded by all this amazing and diverse music, was buying when I
saw him last? $#@!*& Hootie and the Blowfish. GOD

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> Someone:
>
> > You sick mentally sick fuck!
>
> Isn't it kind of no-class to berate someone who you think
> is "mentally sick"? Shut up and let it blow over ...

I don't think this particular event is going to "blow over."  It was way
across the line of things that might blow over.  I don't think it's
going to be discussed much on the list, because what's there to discuss
about it (other than what we're doing right now)?  Iow, you are right
that it will blow over in that respect.  You are also right in that it
makes not much sense to berate somebody you think is mentally sick.  And
Theo's latest postings made quite clear, in my non-professional opinion,
that she is very much so.  I'm not worried about Alyce's ability to
handle Theo's weird outbursts.  She obviously did so with amazing
equanimity.  I am worried about Theo.

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At 03:16 PM 4/18/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > Good morning!  Mine has a chip but I keep it.  Great mugs.
>
>You're late.  It's not even California morning anymore.

I've been <busy>.

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Betty Clark wrote:

> >You're late.  It's not even California morning anymore.
>
> I've been <busy>.

What have you been doing?  One is not allowed to be mysterious on
Words-L.  One has to spit it all out.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 06:35 PM 4/18/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-18 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > It has nothing to do with being an engineer. I'm going by
> > what I know about Natalie (from her postings). She's capable,
> > independent, and has loads of financial common sense - she's had
> > a long career, buys and sells cars, property, travelled the world
> > and managed fine on her own and there's not much I can tell her.
> > She may be mutant, naive she's not.
> >
> > Every few months she describes some situation (any situation will
> > do - doesn't have to be about electricity) and it always ends with
> > a looong thread, lotsa advice from all sides and Natalie having
> > known all along what to do.
>
>It's more like, people attributing an incredible lack of clue
>to Natalie. It must be something about her, uh, "affect".
>
> > I can't think of an example now but will speak up next time I see
> > it happen.
>
>I did it once ... ONCE. Or maybe twice--however many times, it
>was about a relatively non-real-life topic: Unix. It was in the
>era when Natalie posted 18,000 words a day about Unix being "so
>logical" and typed "faster and faster". The moment I detected
>the pattern I was falling into, I stopped.

Uh-huh. . .

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Years ago, I bought a Norwegian-language storybook from Alyce,
after she did a diligent search of her inventory, for the
daughters of my library colleague.  They loved it.  One of them
has just been to Norway to visit her ancestral haunts.  (Espen
graciously offered to squire them around Oslo and environs, but
they had a full itinerary, what with cousins and grandwhatevers.
Thanks, Espen!)  The young lady is now twelve or so, grown up,
and I have some pictures, two actually, but am reluctant to send
them to the list because it gums up the works.  Anyway, Alyce,
you are a great bookseller, and I am in your debt.
Also a great person.  I attest it.

brad

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>Send it to me--I'll set it next to the "Last Pint of the Millennium"
>glass J*** gave me in a moment of drunken generosity ... when would
>that be? Oh yeah, December 99. You think I could sell it for $99 on
>the antiques show some time?

Maybe.  I bought them at an antique show.  But you can't have them.  Only
Lisa and Lady LaTina.


    --bonniev

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I like that.

'Alan



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> Years ago, I bought a Norwegian-language storybook from Alyce,
> after she did a diligent search of her inventory, for the
> daughters of my library colleague.  They loved it.  One of them
> has just been to Norway to visit her ancestral haunts.  (Espen
> graciously offered to squire them around Oslo and environs, but
> they had a full itinerary, what with cousins and grandwhatevers.
> Thanks, Espen!)  The young lady is now twelve or so, grown up,
> and I have some pictures, two actually, but am reluctant to send
> them to the list because it gums up the works.  Anyway, Alyce,
> you are a great bookseller, and I am in your debt.
> Also a great person.  I attest it.
>
> brad

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>remember now what exactly it said except that something about trailer
>parks was mentioned, since I think that's back with Giggles was talking
>about trailer parks.       -- Natalie

I thought about you, Natalie, last time I did the ironing.  I turned on the
overhead light in the middle of my living room and felt very trailerparkish.


    --bonniev

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The park roads opened up today, including the road to the Cadillac
summit.  This was about a week later than they had initially planned, but
still sooner than they thought would be possible up until about 10 days
ago.  This is the first year since we moved here that the park roads are
open, but the large freshwater lakes are still mostly ice-covered.  It was
an unusual sight to look down on Eagle Lake and see it ice bound, save for
one narrow open channel across the middle (probably a former pressure
ridge) and some open water near the outlet (and BH water-supply intake).

Cadillac was cold atop--the brisk wind from the east limited the amount of
time one wanted to spend looking out at the countryside below.  There were
quite a few other cars in the park---many with out-of-state plates.  The
drive through the park was nice.  This time of year, before any of the
deciduous vegetation has budded out, one can see deeply into the
surrounding forest and from the higher vistas, all of the land forms.  One
of my favorite spots---on the one edge of the cove that forms Little Hunter
Beach---more trees have fallen.  At the rate things are going, it might not
be many years before the path I take to the ocean there  is gone and the
cove is somewhat wider.

Several of the vertical rock faces along the road were still ice-covered,
although another day or so of warm weather (and a rain) should remove
that.  In general, it seemed that the park took less of a beating (fallen
trees, etc) this winter than in some other recent years.  The Precipice
trail is closed, as is the Jordan Cliffs trail---the peregrines are here.

Afterwards, we went to Geddys for lunch (great hamburgers).  The place was
mobbed, it being one of the few places open for lunch this time of
year.  I'm not quite sure what brought so many people to the
island---surely not all of them are here to risk hypothermia at sunrise
services on Cadillac this Sunday.

cwv

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The bodies are Lacy Peterson and her son.

They have arrested Scott Peterson.


                 - D. M.

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>The bodies are Lacy Peterson and her son.
>
>They have arrested Scott Peterson.
>                  - D. M.

Sad.  And Dr. Atkins died.  Somehow I find the latter ironic or just plain
funny.  It's rather the old story about watch your diet, get your exercise,
and die anyway when you slip on the ice and hit your head.


    --bonniev

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Alan Wild wrote:
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> I like that.

Me too.  Everything about it.

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bonniev wrote:

> I thought about you, Natalie, last time I did the ironing.  I turned on the
> overhead light in the middle of my living room and felt very trailerparkish.

Something about the term "trailerparkish" has always bothered me.  I
prefer terms like "tacky" -- terms that don't try to pin
behavior/attitudes on specific kinds of dwellings.

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> The bodies are Lacy Peterson and her son.
>
> They have arrested Scott Peterson.

I haven't followed this case particularly closely.  Does the fact that
the bodies floated up implicate the husband any more than he was already
implicated?  Iow, was it a case of needing a body/bodies for evidence?

Re crime rates (which somebody brought up recently -- oops, I think it
was Theo -- and somebody else pointed out were down overall in the US),
something that occurred to me when we were first talking about this
California case and some of you seemed intimate with it -- like you knew
the names of the people, etc. -- was how many murders and alibis related
to them are there in the country in a typical month.  I understand how
weird cases make national news, but why is this particular case so much
in the news when there are presumably murders all over the country?

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On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
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> Something about the term "trailerparkish" has always bothered me.  I
> prefer terms like "tacky" -- terms that don't try to pin
> behavior/attitudes on specific kinds of dwellings.

I think you're just raising the euphemism level in a rather tacky way.

"trailerparkish" is poetry.  "tacky" is shitty genteel.

Ann

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bonniev wrote:

> Sad.  And Dr. Atkins died.  Somehow I find the latter ironic or just plain
> funny.  It's rather the old story about watch your diet, get your exercise,
> and die anyway when you slip on the ice and hit your head.

Shit happens.  James Fixx was laughed at for dying (at a relatively
young age), but he had gotten into running after some very serious heart
problems that weren't likely to be <fixed> entirely by his running.

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> Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > The bodies are Lacy Peterson and her son.
> >
> > They have arrested Scott Peterson.
>
> I haven't followed this case particularly closely.  Does the fact that
> the bodies floated up implicate the husband any more than he was
already
> implicated?  Iow, was it a case of needing a body/bodies for evidence?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

They did not answer this question in tonight's
news conference.  Only new info was the above.

              - D. M.

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On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Shit happens.  James Fixx was laughed at for dying (at a relatively
> young age), but he had gotten into running after some very serious heart
> problems that weren't likely to be <fixed> entirely by his running.

Oh my god!  A nostalgia attack!  Kitty Fixx was my sophomore dorm matron,
or whatever they used to call them.  Mrs. Fixx.  Ran the loosest sexiest
women's dorm at Oberlin, in the 50's.

House mother, I think they called them then?

Every now and then I think I'd want to be a house mother, if they still
have them.  Lodging right on campus - but there's the food, of course.

Ann

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> > Something about the term "trailerparkish" has always bothered me.  I
> > prefer terms like "tacky" -- terms that don't try to pin
> > behavior/attitudes on specific kinds of dwellings.
>
> I think you're just raising the euphemism level in a rather tacky way.
>
> "trailerparkish" is poetry.  "tacky" is shitty genteel.

I'll have to ponder this.  Need to go to bed now.  What bothers me about
"trailerparkish" is that there are no doubt people living in trailer
parks who do not at all match what is implied by that term.  "Tacky" or
"rednecky" or other such terms can be applied to people's behavior
without sweeping in other people who happen to live in the same type
dwelling.

Or something like that.  Makes sense to me.  But I'm fading now.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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I just remembered.  They made the arrest
this afternoon even before they had the
results from the DNA tests.  They haven't
said why.

                   - D. M.

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02003-04-18 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > It's more like, people attributing an incredible lack of clue
> > to Natalie. It must be something about her, uh, "affect".
>
> Hmm.  I'm surprised that I remember this, though I do remember it.
> Remember way back when I faked mail to Bonnie and Clyde, when they were
> still living in Oak Ridge, from a real estate agent in Bar Harbor?  That
> was back when faking mail was easier -- as in finding routes to fake it
> through made it hard to catch, though the process itself was a bit
> cumbersome.  There was list discussion of who might have done the deed,
> and you swore that it couldn't have been me.

That is different. I couldn't possibly have said it because I thought you
"lacked a clue", since I had already seen hundreds of faked maynor.in.the.sky
and diana.artemis.com mails. I must have thought you weren't the type to
fake mail in this context.

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Doris Markland wrote:
>   They made the arrest
> this afternoon even before they had the
> results from the DNA tests.  They haven't
> said why.

Flight, I think. They believe he might have taken off.

alyce

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In a message dated 04/18/2003 9:30:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

<<
I just remembered.  They made the arrest
this afternoon even before they had the
results from the DNA tests.  They haven't
said why.

>>

They were afraid he was going to scoot to Mexico.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>I just remembered.  They made the arrest
>this afternoon even before they had the
>results from the DNA tests.  They haven't
>said why.

Flight risk, in part.

Bethany

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At 10:32 PM 4/18/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >I just remembered.  They made the arrest
> >this afternoon even before they had the
> >results from the DNA tests.  They haven't
> >said why.
>
>Flight risk, in part.

I sure wish that I had not read that her head and legs were missing.  I
drive by that area every time I go to Costco. Rita is right.  Criminals are
pretty stupid.  He has always been a suspect, of course.  Geeze,  he even
took out a life insurance policy.

Betty

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On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

>
> Every now and then I think I'd want to be a house mother, if they still
> have them.  Lodging right on campus - but there's the food, of course.
>

Try for a sorority. They buy the food communally and often have a cook who
prepares it for them.

clo

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> Try for a sorority. They buy the food communally and often have a cook who
> prepares it for them.

What are sororities like now, I wonder?

Used to be full of all the girls I hated in high school.

Ann

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On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > > Something about the term "trailerparkish" has always bothered me.  I
> > > prefer terms like "tacky" -- terms that don't try to pin
> > > behavior/attitudes on specific kinds of dwellings.
> >
> > I think you're just raising the euphemism level in a rather tacky way.
> >
> > "trailerparkish" is poetry.  "tacky" is shitty genteel.
>
> I'll have to ponder this.  Need to go to bed now.  What bothers me about
> "trailerparkish" is that there are no doubt people living in trailer
> parks who do not at all match what is implied by that term.  "Tacky" or
> "rednecky" or other such terms can be applied to people's behavior
> without sweeping in other people who happen to live in the same type
> dwelling.
>
> Or something like that.  Makes sense to me.  But I'm fading now.
>

I think so, if "rednecky" seems exempt from whatever brush tars
"trailerparkish". Ever notice the wide range of political and cultural
views espoused by "rednecks"?

clo

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Brad wrote
> you are a great bookseller, and I am in your debt.
> Also a great person.  I attest it.

Takk,
alyce

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Mamihlapinatapei is a word from the native language of Tierra del Fuego
which means 'a shared glance of longing where both know the meaning but
neither is quite willing to make the move'

(I got this from some blog, too lazy to trace and give credit)

Ann

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02003-04-18 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> Mamihlapinatapei is a word from the native language of Tierra del Fuego
> which means 'a shared glance of longing where both know the meaning but
> neither is quite willing to make the move'
>
> (I got this from some blog, too lazy to trace and give credit)

This is an *English* language discussion group, STUPID!

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> > Mamihlapinatapei

>From the Atlantic:

> [...] Judging from examples in Howard Rheingold's They Have a Word For It,
> exotic languages harbor valuable conceptual resources, much the way exotic
> flora harbor commercial ones. The Tierra del Fuegan word mamihlapinatapei,
> which connotes "a meaningful look, shared between two people, expressing
> mutual unstated feelings," has potentially broad applications beyond its
> place of origin. The same could be said of such words in the language of
> Easter Island as anga-anga ("a thought, perhaps groundless, that one is
> being gossiped about, arising from one's own sense of guilt") and hakamaroo
> ("the act of keeping borrowed objects until the owner has to ask for them
> back"). It is perhaps not surprising that a sophisticated culture on Easter
> Island seems to have collapsed under mysterious circumstances.

Ignore the stupid "joke" at the end, which is just a typical expression
of the lameass culture at the Atlantic's office--the word itself is a
bit more general than "look of longing" etc ... and looks like Rheingold
wrote a pretty interesting book, heh? I know what I am buying tomorrow.
>From the amazon page:

> Hawaiian contributes a word (ho'oponopono) here that means "solving a
> problem by talking it out"; Japanese, a term (kyoikumama) for a "mother
> who pushes her children into academic achievement"; Indonesian, a word
> (kekaku) meaning "to awaken from a nightmare"; and Mayan (some things,
> it seems, are universal), a concise way to say "stupid in-laws" (bol).

Ha ha ha ha ha!

> [continued]
> While it is the Asian and obscure linguistic groups that seem to come
> up with the most "powerful" ideas, German wins for packing a whole
> sentence's worth of meaning into one (albeit long) word. How much
> happier Strunk and White would rest if we could just say Torschlüsspanik
> when discussing "the frantic anxiety experienced by unmarried women as
> they race against the 'biological clock'"; Treppenwitz when referring
> to the "clever remark that comes to mind when it is too late to utter
> it"; and Schlimmbesserung when lamenting "a so-called improvement that
> makes things worse." --Jane Steinberg

Anyway, I hope to find a word for stupid bobo humor fostered in places
like the Atlantic office.

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>>> Mamihlapinatapei

Well looks like there is a lot of confusion about the word
on the web at least, and the confidence in every statement
is exactly as high as you can expect from this. Sad, but I
kind of knew that ... anyhow I would REALLY like to know
what this book is about (hit #1 on google):
<http://www.yu4you.com/artikal.php?vrsta=7&id=2625&lang=sr>
Anybody got a clue? Isn't Serbian pretty much a dialect of
(drum roll ... ) Russian?

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Have I mentioned yet that subscribing to New Scientist is one of
the best new things I did last year? Anyway, I read that experts
in detecting lies pick up on facial "micro-expressions" ... I was
pleased to read this because it's my belief that there are all
kinds of "bodily micro-expressions" which we unconsciously pick
up on and call the phenomenon "vibe" or some other word to cover
the fact that the effects seem telepathic or otherwise irrational.
Anyway, they found that police detectives and prison inmates did
very well on detecting lies, but the person who fared best was--
a Tibetan monk. Now the fact that this surprised me means that I
have absorbed the abysmally vulgar and jock-worshiping cult of
"street smarts" that's been sweeping the country for ten years
at least ... still, a guy who sees as few people as possible and
spends so much of the day staring into space, so to speak--makes
you believe that much more that you are yourself as rich a "human
laboratory" as you might want ... knowm'sain.

PS: I know there are people *including* wordslers who will read
"bodily micro-expressions" and vaguely think, "oh, you mean like
body language" and move on. I KNOW you are out there, doing this
deliberately to annoy me.

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Tom Lee:

>        I do not believe that I am your uncle, but I do have three vinyl
albums and a songbook, "Too Many Songs by Tom Lehrer."  The albums I got
recently from my aunt, who was cleaning out her record collection, as she
no longer has a record player.  The songbook I found in the campus
bookstore when I was in college (and immediately bought, because a friend
had played some Lehrer songs for me years earlier in middle school).

Hey! Your aunt, my uncle. How fortuitious!!! This same uncle once gave me a
tape of Spike Jones ditties. I bet I could find a copy of the songbook
somewhere -- wonder if it's in reprint?


> After I showed Uncle H the site and he saw that the CDs could be ordered
he
A> replied:
A>
A> "I'm just glad to know that they are being preserved for future warped
minds
A> to enjoy!"

>        Me too!  He slaughters a few sacred cows, which usually needs
doing, and some of the songs are obsolete because of changing political
situations, but they're all still great.

My type of warpedness!

AS

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> Oh my god!  A nostalgia attack!  Kitty Fixx was my sophomore dorm matron,
> or whatever they used to call them.  Mrs. Fixx.  Ran the loosest sexiest
> women's dorm at Oberlin, in the 50's.

Was she Jim's mother?

> Every now and then I think I'd want to be a house mother, if they still
> have them.  Lodging right on campus - but there's the food, of course.

I don't know what they have in dorms now in the way of <supervisors>.
I'd think that house mothers wouldn't be needed as much now that there
aren't things like curfews to enforce.  When did did curfews go away?
It's been many, many years, I think.  And males never had them, afaik.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > > "trailerparkish" is poetry.  "tacky" is shitty genteel.
> >
> > I'll have to ponder this.  Need to go to bed now.  What bothers me about
> > "trailerparkish" is that there are no doubt people living in trailer
> > parks who do not at all match what is implied by that term.  "Tacky" or
> > "rednecky" or other such terms can be applied to people's behavior
> > without sweeping in other people who happen to live in the same type
> > dwelling.
> >
> > Or something like that.  Makes sense to me.  But I'm fading now.
> >
>
> I think so, if "rednecky" seems exempt from whatever brush tars
> "trailerparkish". Ever notice the wide range of political and cultural
> views espoused by "rednecks"?

What is it that you are thinking so?  I got lost somehow.  Re rednecks,
I've noticed the wide range of people who call themselves one.  The
definition is a bit fuzzy even without the self-referencers.

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Ann Borkin wrote:
> What are sororities like now, I wonder?
>
> Used to be full of all the girls I hated in high school.

I bet you would've hated me in high school.  But back then it was
extremely unusual in colleges I knew anything about for one to be an
<independent>.  Almost unheard of.  My college annuals identify pictures
by name, hometown, major, and fraternity or sorority.  The same was true
of my parents' college annuals.

The percentage of participation started dropping in the late '60s, I
think, but it's still pretty high in this part of the country,
especially at schools that don't have a large number of
<non-traditional> students watering down the <Greek> percentages.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> <http://www.yu4you.com/artikal.php?vrsta=7&id=2625&lang=sr>
> Anybody got a clue?

I got more interested in _The Damned Yard and Other Stories_.

> Isn't Serbian pretty much a dialect of
> (drum roll ... ) Russian?

Don't know how close it is to Russian.  Do know that Serbian, Croatian,
and Bosnian (i.e., the new names for the former Serbo-Croatian) are said
to be going the way of Hindi and Urdu -- trying to <act different from
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Oh, you mean like body language.

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At 02:58 AM 4/19/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>Have I mentioned yet that subscribing to New Scientist is one of
>the best new things I did last year? Anyway, I read that experts
>in detecting lies pick up on facial "micro-expressions" ... I was
>pleased to read this because it's my belief that there are all
>kinds of "bodily micro-expressions" which we unconsciously pick
>up on and call the phenomenon "vibe" or some other word to cover
>the fact that the effects seem telepathic or otherwise irrational.
>Anyway, they found that police detectives and prison inmates did
>very well on detecting lies, but the person who fared best was--
>a Tibetan monk.

What is truly remarkable is that "they" whoever they are, took so long to
pick up on this.  Facial expressions involving very slight movements or
changes are a characteristic of communication in many mammalian
species.  It seems to me that a Tibetan monk, having been trained to focus,
would indeed be good at detecting micro-expressions.  It would also seem,
though, that to correlate any one or group of such expressions with
falsehood would require considerable experience with liars---something one
wouldn't expect of a Tibetan monk.

I agree that what many call "vibes" is the result of a sort of subliminal
survey and synthesis of several clues---some of which are more overt "body
language" and others are the micro type.

cwv

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Tushar:
> laboratory" as you might want ... knowm'sain.
>
> PS: I know there are people *including* wordslers who will read
> "bodily micro-expressions" and vaguely think, "oh, you mean like
> body language" and move on. I KNOW you are out there, doing this
> deliberately to annoy me.

Oh.  He's tallking about body language.
Let's move on.

                     - D. M.

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Alan, According to the CDC there are 4 cases under investigation in the state of CT.

http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/sars.htm

Marie



----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU>
Date: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:26 am
Subject: SARS anyone?

> Hej!   Has anyone got SARS information...
>
> I found this source whose tallies look up to date:
> http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/EC29Ad06.html
>
> I thought I heard on NPR news this AM that there were 4 suspected
> cases at
> UCONN.
>
> 'Worrying about my babies...
>
> 'Regards, Alan
>

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At 02:58 AM 4/19/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>PS: I know there are people *including* wordslers who will read
>"bodily micro-expressions" and vaguely think, "oh, you mean like
>body language" and move on. I KNOW you are out there, doing this
>deliberately to annoy me.

Larry's dad sometimes clenches his jaw repeatedly. That kind of body language?

Betty

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I think more like:
   darting eyes
   movements in the corner of the mouth
   nostril flares
   blinks
   slight body twitches

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
Date: Saturday, April 19, 2003 9:22 am
Subject: Re: Liars and lie detectors

> At 02:58 AM 4/19/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >PS: I know there are people *including* wordslers who will read
> >"bodily micro-expressions" and vaguely think, "oh, you mean like
> >body language" and move on. I KNOW you are out there, doing this
> >deliberately to annoy me.
>
> Larry's dad sometimes clenches his jaw repeatedly. That kind of
> body language?
>
> Betty
>

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It's subtle clenching.  Includes movements in the corner of the mouth.

Good morning, Marie.  Did you celebrate Passover and eat a lot?

Betty

At 09:21 AM 4/19/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
>I think more like:
>    darting eyes
>    movements in the corner of the mouth
>    nostril flares
>    blinks
>    slight body twitches
>
>Marie
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>Date: Saturday, April 19, 2003 9:22 am
>Subject: Re: Liars and lie detectors
>
> > At 02:58 AM 4/19/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >PS: I know there are people *including* wordslers who will read
> > >"bodily micro-expressions" and vaguely think, "oh, you mean like
> > >body language" and move on. I KNOW you are out there, doing this
> > >deliberately to annoy me.
> >
> > Larry's dad sometimes clenches his jaw repeatedly. That kind of
> > body language?
> >
> > Betty
> >

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At 09:21 AM 4/19/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
>I think more like:
>    darting eyes
>    movements in the corner of the mouth
>    nostril flares
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>    slight body twitches

--Herbert Lom-type eye tics
--crossing your fingers behind your back

cwv

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bonniev wrote:

>> remember now what exactly it said except that something about trailer
>> parks was mentioned, since I think that's back with Giggles was talking
>> about trailer parks.       -- Natalie
>
>
> I thought about you, Natalie, last time I did the ironing.  I turned on the
> overhead light in the middle of my living room and felt very
> trailerparkish.


        Oh, that's right.  I had forgotten that my 2000 sq ft home
was a trailer.



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MOST DRIVEABLE CITIES Pep Boys, the national chain of auto
repair-maintenance shops, enlisted "Best Places to Live" author Bert
Sperling to rank the best and worst places to drive in America in
recognition of April as National Car Care Month. Cities were graded on
lowest gas prices, pleasant climate, traffic flow, driving surfaces and
average travel time.

Most Driveable Cities
*       Corpus Christi, Texas
*       Brownsville, Texas
*       Beaumont, Texas.
*       Pensacola, Fla.
*       Ft. Myers, Fla.

Least Driveable Cities
*       Los Angeles
*       San Franciso
*       Chicago
*       Denver
*       Boston

Knoxville wasn't listed.

Overall, Northeast cities ranked poorly, while Southern cities ranked
high.

At No. 20, Atlanta was the highest-ranking large city for driveability.

California cities had the highest U.S. gas prices and ranked with Detroit
for the roughest roads.

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/business/article/0,1406,KNS_376_1899700,00.htm

Maybe I wil live in Corpus Christi during retirement - I was born there.

Bethany

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > > > "trailerparkish" is poetry.  "tacky" is shitty genteel.
> > >
> > > I'll have to ponder this.  Need to go to bed now.  What bothers me about
> > > "trailerparkish" is that there are no doubt people living in trailer
> > > parks who do not at all match what is implied by that term.  "Tacky" or
> > > "rednecky" or other such terms can be applied to people's behavior
> > > without sweeping in other people who happen to live in the same type
> > > dwelling.
> > >
> > > Or something like that.  Makes sense to me.  But I'm fading now.
> > >
> >
> > I think so, if "rednecky" seems exempt from whatever brush tars
> > "trailerparkish". Ever notice the wide range of political and cultural
> > views espoused by "rednecks"?
>

> What is it that you are thinking so?  I got lost somehow.  Re rednecks,
> I've noticed the wide range of people who call themselves one.  The
> definition is a bit fuzzy even without the self-referencers.
>

Sorry about being obtuse - upper respiratory infection = sleep
deprivation.

But I think you made my point for me - redneck spans a large array of
viewpoints and behaviors, just like living in a trailor park does.

clo

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I think more like:
>    darting eyes
>    movements in the corner of the mouth
>    nostril flares
>    blinks
>    slight body twitches


Ah. And let's not leave out the ever-ready reactions of eye-rolling and
smirking!

:-/

AS

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At 08:53 AM 4/19/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>I think more like:
> >    darting eyes
> >    movements in the corner of the mouth
> >    nostril flares
> >    blinks
> >    slight body twitches
>
>
>Ah. And let's not leave out the ever-ready reactions of eye-rolling and
>smirking!
>
>:-/
>
>AS

Aren't those too obvious?

Betty

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> > What is it that you are thinking so?  I got lost somehow.  Re rednecks,
> > I've noticed the wide range of people who call themselves one.  The
> > definition is a bit fuzzy even without the self-referencers.
> >
>
> Sorry about being obtuse - upper respiratory infection = sleep
> deprivation.
>
> But I think you made my point for me - redneck spans a large array of
> viewpoints and behaviors, just like living in a trailor park does.

My point is that those are very different things.  Being a redneck is
not an objectively verifiable fact -- and probably wasn't so even back
when allegedly associated with sun markings.  Living in a trailer park
is (leaving aside, of course,  possible nitpicky debates about whether a
certain clump of trailers is or isn't a trailer park).  That's why I
would rather call certain behaviors rednecky than trailerparkish.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>Aren't those too obvious?


>Betty

Of course. I was referring to my own knee-jerk reaction to such "vibes"
which I skillfully effect <after> the "BS event." It's also a useful skill
during the thesis-writing-and-defense process. :).

AS, poker face

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At 09:02 AM 4/19/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > > What is it that you are thinking so?  I got lost somehow.  Re rednecks,
> > > I've noticed the wide range of people who call themselves one.  The
> > > definition is a bit fuzzy even without the self-referencers.
> > >
> >
> > Sorry about being obtuse - upper respiratory infection = sleep
> > deprivation.
> >
> > But I think you made my point for me - redneck spans a large array of
> > viewpoints and behaviors, just like living in a trailor park does.
>
>My point is that those are very different things.  Being a redneck is
>not an objectively verifiable fact -- and probably wasn't so even back
>when allegedly associated with sun markings.  Living in a trailer park
>is (leaving aside, of course,  possible nitpicky debates about whether a
>certain clump of trailers is or isn't a trailer park).  That's why I
>would rather call certain behaviors rednecky than trailerparkish.

Thank you for clearing that up! You are very smart.

Betty

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What happens to me at home

What kind of family structure do you have? Ours most resembles, I think, a
basket full of young puppies - one of the breeds known for chewing
things, I think.

We have what we call the "Walter transportation system" - a spare car
kept licensed and on the road by one parent or sib because it's needed by
another sib whose car has broken down at a time when it can't be replaced.

We have a Walter communication system - my Mom, honest to God, called me
in TX when I lived there to ask if I knew where my father was - they were
both in the same town, and had missed a connection. One person calls
another and in the course of conversation it develops Sib A knows
something about Parent/Sib C that Parent/Sib B wasn't aware of. A flurry
of calls later, everybody knows everything about everyone.

When my Mom needed surgery, and a mis-prescribed drug kept appearing on
her chart which rendered her unable to make decisions, we met in a hotel
conference room and my sister the chemical engineer had - I still can't
get over this - 2 foot by 3 foot post it pads to put brainstorming ideas
up on the walls; 2 of my engineer bros kept notes on laptops; and I set up
a listserv.

If that seems anal, compare it to the tale below - you'll see that it was
necessary to keep from exasperating medical personnel into staging a
walkout.

I call it "exploded extended family".

So what happens when my youngest sister (S3) has a baby (as she did on Mar
19?

On Weds, as I am home sick with UR epizudics, my brother #2 (B2) shows up
to leave the golden retriever (supposed to be staying from Thurs to Sat,
but oh well) - they are going to Maine to visit brother #1.

 That evening, I get a call. They have stopped in Albany to see Brother
#3, and it appears from conversation that B3 is coming here this weekend
because S3 is christening the baby on Sunday. B2 continues on to B1's
house, but will now be coming back earlier to make it to the christening
on Sunday.

On Fri as I am sitting in the office where I have no business to be since
I am too sick to think, I get a call. It's my other sister (S2) - the one
who is selling her home in Kiln, MS because her job transferred to
Delaware. Where is she? At S3's house, for the christening. She wants to
come over with S3 on Sat afternoon to watch a movie together - awww.

In the evening, S3 calls - S2 has departed for parts unknown, and S3 asks
a) did we hear that the baby is being christened on Sunday?
b) did we hear that she wants to have it at our house?

Being used to Walters, we consent.

On Sat am, I talk to S3, who says that S2 has to leave before Sunday
afternoon; so christening will be at B3's hotel near Parents' house, on
Sunday morning. She asks me to have S2 call her (putting the WCS in
action). I call S2 at her BIL's. She, it turns out, had thought that the
arrangements to come to my house for the christening were for Sat, not Sun
- that would be TODAY, folks!

No, no, that's not it. We laugh, and make arrangements to make lasagna
together this pm for BIL's party tonight. Lucky my fever broke this am!

But at 9:30 my father calls, asking what he should bring to lunch at our
house this afternoon. <WHAT>?!! I'm about to go in to work; V is already
at his office; he was coming home abt 1 to vacuum before the christening
that he still thinks is tomorrow...

Flurry of calls down the chain. It now appears that

* S3's baby is being christened at 3pm in our home today.

* We will be feeding 16-23 guests, if they all find their way here.

* B2 is presumably en route from ME, whence he is high-tailing it to get
here for tomorrow's event.

* B3 is at some unknown location on the road from Albany, and will be
arriving at our house any time between - oh, now - and 3 pm (we hope).

* S2 at BIL's house may or may not be expecting to make lasagna when she
shows up for the christening at something between 1pm and 3pm

*B1 is probably waving goodbye to his guests now *sigh of envy*

*S1 (that would be me) has to
     -break the news to (have I mentioned?) OCPD, anxiety riddent spouse
who hates surprises that plans have changed and company is on its way
<now>
     -purchase edibles for the celebratory feast
     -clean the house without stirring up dust because of the UR coughing
and hacking that will ensue
     -and walk the retriever


I hope y'all are having as much fun as I am today!

clo

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> That's why I
> would rather call certain behaviors rednecky than trailerparkish.
>

Thanks, it makes perfect sense now.
clo

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Was she Jim's mother?

Yes.

Ann

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        Thank God I can't stand my family.


clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> What happens to me at home
>
> What kind of family structure do you have? Ours most resembles, I think, a
> basket full of young puppies - one of the breeds known for chewing
> things, I think.
>
> We have what we call the "Walter transportation system" - a spare car
> kept licensed and on the road by one parent or sib because it's needed by
> another sib whose car has broken down at a time when it can't be replaced.
>
> We have a Walter communication system - my Mom, honest to God, called me
> in TX when I lived there to ask if I knew where my father was - they were
> both in the same town, and had missed a connection. One person calls
> another and in the course of conversation it develops Sib A knows
> something about Parent/Sib C that Parent/Sib B wasn't aware of. A flurry
> of calls later, everybody knows everything about everyone.
>
> When my Mom needed surgery, and a mis-prescribed drug kept appearing on
> her chart which rendered her unable to make decisions, we met in a hotel
> conference room and my sister the chemical engineer had - I still can't
> get over this - 2 foot by 3 foot post it pads to put brainstorming ideas
> up on the walls; 2 of my engineer bros kept notes on laptops; and I set up
> a listserv.
>
> If that seems anal, compare it to the tale below - you'll see that it was
> necessary to keep from exasperating medical personnel into staging a
> walkout.
>
> I call it "exploded extended family".
>
> So what happens when my youngest sister (S3) has a baby (as she did on Mar
> 19?
>
> On Weds, as I am home sick with UR epizudics, my brother #2 (B2) shows up
> to leave the golden retriever (supposed to be staying from Thurs to Sat,
> but oh well) - they are going to Maine to visit brother #1.
>
>  That evening, I get a call. They have stopped in Albany to see Brother
> #3, and it appears from conversation that B3 is coming here this weekend
> because S3 is christening the baby on Sunday. B2 continues on to B1's
> house, but will now be coming back earlier to make it to the christening
> on Sunday.
>
> On Fri as I am sitting in the office where I have no business to be since
> I am too sick to think, I get a call. It's my other sister (S2) - the one
> who is selling her home in Kiln, MS because her job transferred to
> Delaware. Where is she? At S3's house, for the christening. She wants to
> come over with S3 on Sat afternoon to watch a movie together - awww.
>
> In the evening, S3 calls - S2 has departed for parts unknown, and S3 asks
> a) did we hear that the baby is being christened on Sunday?
> b) did we hear that she wants to have it at our house?
>
> Being used to Walters, we consent.
>
> On Sat am, I talk to S3, who says that S2 has to leave before Sunday
> afternoon; so christening will be at B3's hotel near Parents' house, on
> Sunday morning. She asks me to have S2 call her (putting the WCS in
> action). I call S2 at her BIL's. She, it turns out, had thought that the
> arrangements to come to my house for the christening were for Sat, not Sun
> - that would be TODAY, folks!
>
> No, no, that's not it. We laugh, and make arrangements to make lasagna
> together this pm for BIL's party tonight. Lucky my fever broke this am!
>
> But at 9:30 my father calls, asking what he should bring to lunch at our
> house this afternoon. <WHAT>?!! I'm about to go in to work; V is already
> at his office; he was coming home abt 1 to vacuum before the christening
> that he still thinks is tomorrow...
>
> Flurry of calls down the chain. It now appears that
>
> * S3's baby is being christened at 3pm in our home today.
>
> * We will be feeding 16-23 guests, if they all find their way here.
>
> * B2 is presumably en route from ME, whence he is high-tailing it to get
> here for tomorrow's event.
>
> * B3 is at some unknown location on the road from Albany, and will be
> arriving at our house any time between - oh, now - and 3 pm (we hope).
>
> * S2 at BIL's house may or may not be expecting to make lasagna when she
> shows up for the christening at something between 1pm and 3pm
>
> *B1 is probably waving goodbye to his guests now *sigh of envy*
>
> *S1 (that would be me) has to
>      -break the news to (have I mentioned?) OCPD, anxiety riddent spouse
> who hates surprises that plans have changed and company is on its way
> <now>
>      -purchase edibles for the celebratory feast
>      -clean the house without stirring up dust because of the UR coughing
> and hacking that will ensue
>      -and walk the retriever
>
>
> I hope y'all are having as much fun as I am today!
>
> clo
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Thank God I can't stand my family.

I am a reclusive only child.  Thank God I am a creep.

Ann

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

>What happens to me at home

Thank you. I begin to understand why I live in TN. (So far, only my mother
has followed me here.)

Bethany

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I am trying right now to arrange to see these. The first one may be larger
than even I want (it was formed by combining two condos), though it sounds
lovely. The second one may be more realistic. I an also trying to find out
how much monthly fees are now - I may not be able to afford them.

SEQUOYAH HILLS (Hamilton House) One of a kind in the development.
Penthouse unit. 3,100 S.F. of living area. Large formal living room,
dining rm with closet for extra china, Gallery kitchen with all
appliances and eating area. Den with built ins and wet bar. 3 bdrms,
3.5 baths (Master with whirlpool), secured building with parking at the
lower level. Interior has just been updated. Motivated seller $165,000.

Sequoyah Hills, beautiful top floor in Hamilton House. Updated kitch.,
hrdwd flrs, sunroom, washer/dryer, $94,500.

Bethany

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What excitement!  Keeps the juices going.

Glad you are feeling better, clo.  You have work to do!

Betty

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
> Least Driveable Cities
> *       Boston

I nominate Boston for an extra conspicuous mention...  regarding their
inconspicuous road signs around Logan airport and the enduring
consutruction.

When AREN'T they rearranging the Jersey-barriers?

'Alan

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Betty wrote:

> Thank you for clearing that up! You are very smart.

You're welcome.  It is important to keep the record clear.

Al Hirt and Preservation Hall arrived today.  No Pete Fountain yet.
Wonder why he's separate.

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At 10:55 AM 4/19/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>Sequoyah Hills, beautiful top floor in Hamilton House. Updated kitch.,
>hrdwd flrs, sunroom, washer/dryer, $94,500.
>
>Bethany

Are there elevators?

Betty

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> What happens to me at home

I like it.  It sounds <full and lively>.  One thing I don't understand,
though, is about the christening.  I thought christenings occurred at
churches during church services.

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Ann Borkin wrote:
> > Was she Jim's mother?
>
> Yes.

Did Jim ever come to visit?  Was he cute?

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> I am trying right now to arrange to see these. The first one may be larger
> than even I want (it was formed by combining two condos), though it sounds
> lovely. The second one may be more realistic. I an also trying to find out
> how much monthly fees are now - I may not be able to afford them.
>
> SEQUOYAH HILLS (Hamilton House) One of a kind in the development.
> Penthouse unit. 3,100 S.F. of living area. Large formal living room,
> dining rm with closet for extra china, Gallery kitchen with all
> appliances and eating area. Den with built ins and wet bar. 3 bdrms,
> 3.5 baths (Master with whirlpool), secured building with parking at the
> lower level. Interior has just been updated. Motivated seller $165,000.
>
> Sequoyah Hills, beautiful top floor in Hamilton House. Updated kitch.,
> hrdwd flrs, sunroom, washer/dryer, $94,500.

That second one sounds much more desirable to me.  Think about all the
toilet paper you'd need with 3.5 baths.  Mainly, though, I am amazed at
how cheap real estate there apparently is.

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I am healed from my cataract surgery, and
the surgeon has decided not to do the other
eye at this time.  So I'm all through, and in
2 weeks can order my new glasses.

Do I want to get the ones that are just
2 pieces of glass (or plastic) with a nose
piece and the side things that go over the ears?
Like Aaron Brown wears on CNN.

Do I want to get Transitions . . that turn
dark when you go out in the sun?  I guess they
have improved those tremendously, and the
eye doctors are recommending them.

I am switching to progressives . . no line
for the bi and tri focals.  And I am adding
"no glare."  IOW I am UPDATING.

By the time you factor in all those things, one
little old pair of glasses is going to cost a small
fortune.

Still I'd like opinions on the completely frameless
lens, and on the Transitions lens.

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no one to ask.

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At 11:10 AM 4/19/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>I am healed from my cataract surgery, and
>the surgeon has decided not to do the other
>eye at this time.  So I'm all through, and in
>2 weeks can order my new glasses.
>
>Do I want to get the ones that are just
>2 pieces of glass (or plastic) with a nose
>piece and the side things that go over the ears?
>Like Aaron Brown wears on CNN.
>
>Do I want to get Transitions . . that turn
>dark when you go out in the sun?  I guess they
>have improved those tremendously, and the
>eye doctors are recommending them.


I have these but they aren't enough if you are out in bright sun or
driving.  It's nice when you are just walking and going in and out a lot.


>I am switching to progressives . . no line
>for the bi and tri focals.  And I am adding
>"no glare."  IOW I am UPDATING.


This is nice!  Most people get used to them pretty quickly.  Some
don't.  Give yourself time.


>By the time you factor in all those things, one
>little old pair of glasses is going to cost a small
>fortune.
>
>Still I'd like opinions on the completely frameless
>lens, and on the Transitions lens.

I like the frame less and the titanium makes them light but they aren't as
durable.  You have to be more careful just putting them on and off.  I was
used to being a little rougher taking on and off.   You can also add clips
ons to add to the expense and have polar lenses.

Betty

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Doris Markland writes,

I got new glasses within the last year or so.

I decided not to get the frameless glasses; they're intriguing, but looking
at them on me, I decided they looked sort of funny without the definition
of the frame.

I went with very thin titanium frames <http://tinyurl.com/9v6k>, and
they've been sturdy and light.

Thumbs-up on the no-glare (and thanks, Anne, for posting positively about
it so I got it on mine!).

I don't know about the Transitions -- if it were me, I'd splurge on a pair
of prescription sunglasses instead.

Hi-index lenses are really nice -- makes the lenses thinner, lighter, and
lessens the effect of making your eyes look funny.

And for reducing glare outside and driving, I'd go with Betty's
recommendation of polarization, too.

Pete

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Doris Markland writes,

>I was told they won't work behind a windshield. This puzzled me because
>I'd think that's when you would want the dark glasses.

Yep.  They're activated by UV light, which the windshield blocks most of,
so the lenses lighten.  Definitely something to consider.

Pete

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> >
> >Do I want to get Transitions . . that turn
> >dark when you go out in the sun? >
>
> I have these but they aren't enough if you are out in bright sun or
> driving.  It's nice when you are just walking and going in and out a
lot.

I was told they won't work behind a windshield.
This puzzled me because I'd think that's when
you would want the dark glasses.


> I like the frame less and the titanium makes them light but they
aren't as
> durable.  You have to be more careful just putting them on and off.  I
was
> used to being a little rougher taking on and off.

  > Betty

Someone told me that they are less stable on your
face.  One gal said she had to keep fooling with
them to get them positioned just where the correction
works.

Thanks for your opinions, Betty.

         - D. M.

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> >Do I want to get the ones that are just
> >2 pieces of glass (or plastic) with a nose
> >piece and the side things that go over the ears?
>
> I've resisted getting them because my lenses are rather thick and I've
been
> told these frames are really flimsy.  I switch between regular
glasses,
> computer glasses, and prescription sunglasses.  I'd rather have
something a
> bit more sturdy.
>
> >Do I want to get Transitions . . that turn
> >dark when you go out in the sun?
>
> I haven't checked them out lately but long ago when I did I felt they
> didn't get dark enough for my liking.  Plus I like polarized lenses
because
> they cut glare on water and I don't think Transitions come in
polarized.
>
> >I am switching to progressives . . no line
> >for the bi and tri focals.
>
> Good luck.  I tried those and could not get used to them.  I switched
back
> to regular bifocals.
>
> >little old pair of glasses is going to cost a small
> >fortune.                            - D. M.
>
> Over $400 I'll bet.
>
>
>     --bonniev

One estimate I got yesterday was for
$550.  Yikkers!  I think I'm going to
start cutting out some of the "extras."

 Thanks for your opinions, Bonnie.

                     - D. M.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> ... anyhow I would REALLY like to know
> what this book is about (hit #1 on google):

> Anybody got a clue? Isn't Serbian pretty much a dialect of
> (drum roll ... ) Russian?

Similar they are. Unfortunately I couldn' understand it, only some words
or short phrases, but too vaguely to render a bit of the content of the
passage. My knowledge of Russian is not very good either.

Sometimes I've managed to understand instructions in Polish (on the
basis what I know in Russian) -- having had them on a packet for making
jelly or something, but then I knew something beforehand, at least that
it was jelly that the powder had to be turned to.

I tried once more. <sigh>. Maybe BrP will say something (oh, he is
nomail at weekends).

Kristin

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>Rita Chapman wrote:
> >         Thank God I can't stand my family.
>
>I am a reclusive only child.  Thank God I am a creep.
>Ann

I am a reclusive youngest child.  Thank God I am also a creep and the black
sheep.  However, my family sounds a bit like Clo's.  I left at age 14 and
never much looked back.


    --bonniev

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>Do I want to get the ones that are just
>2 pieces of glass (or plastic) with a nose
>piece and the side things that go over the ears?

I've resisted getting them because my lenses are rather thick and I've been
told these frames are really flimsy.  I switch between regular glasses,
computer glasses, and prescription sunglasses.  I'd rather have something a
bit more sturdy.

>Do I want to get Transitions . . that turn
>dark when you go out in the sun?

I haven't checked them out lately but long ago when I did I felt they
didn't get dark enough for my liking.  Plus I like polarized lenses because
they cut glare on water and I don't think Transitions come in polarized.

>I am switching to progressives . . no line
>for the bi and tri focals.

Good luck.  I tried those and could not get used to them.  I switched back
to regular bifocals.

>little old pair of glasses is going to cost a small
>fortune.                            - D. M.

Over $400 I'll bet.


    --bonniev

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At 12:50 PM 4/19/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:

>One estimate I got yesterday was for
>$550.  Yikkers!  I think I'm going to
>start cutting out some of the "extras."
>
>  Thanks for your opinions, Bonnie.
>
>                      - D. M.

How often do you get new glasses?  Get what you want.

Betty

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> How often do you get new glasses?  Get what you want.
>
> Betty

That is my problem.  I don't know what I
want.

              - D. M.

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02003-04-19 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> It seems to me that a Tibetan monk, having been trained to focus,
> would indeed be good at detecting micro-expressions.  It would also
> seem, though, that to correlate any one or group of such expressions
> with falsehood would require considerable experience with liars---
> something one wouldn't expect of a Tibetan monk.

So, don't you think you are holding the thing by the wrong end?
Can anyone "detect" a meaningless micro-expression and then learn
to "correlate" it with a meaning?

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>  These
> > guys were being found with thousands of dollars
> > of cash in their pockets, even maybe hundreds
> > of thousands.
>
> They must have had very big pockets to hold that kind of money. It
would
> make quite a difference, too, if it were thousands v. hundreds of
> thousands, I an surprised that the reporting was not clear on this
> point. I have not heard, till now, of these great caches/cashays of
> currency being found on people. I guess I didn't follow the news as
well
> as I thought, even though I had CNN on all day and night. I never
heard
> of any unusual number of people going to fight Americans for these
vast
> sums. Whence did they come? Are they now POWs? Where is the money
found
> on their persons?
>
> alyce

I'm sorry I can't give you a printed source, as
I hear most of my news on TV.  This item has
been much mentioned.  They described the rolls
of cash in these guys' pockets as "enormous".
It is not reported clearly here because I am doing
the reporting and I don't have a source at hand
except what I remember hearing on TV, usually
as I moved about the house.

And yes, people have been crossing over from
several countries to join the Jihad, in numbers,
in the latter stages of the war.

However, no one has said this is the source of
the money found today.  That is my speculation.

                    - D. M.


                 - D. M.

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> >Yet many came to your graduation.  I didn't know that. I wonder if
they
> >will come to your funeral?     --B
>
> I don't plan on having a funeral.  In any case, my parents are now
dead
> and, very likely, my siblings will be long dead when I die because
they are
> 17, 16, and 14 years older than I am.
>
>
>     --bonniev

Easy come.  Easy go.

     - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:
 These
> guys were being found with thousands of dollars
> of cash in their pockets, even maybe hundreds
> of thousands.

They must have had very big pockets to hold that kind of money. It would
make quite a difference, too, if it were thousands v. hundreds of
thousands, I an surprised that the reporting was not clear on this
point. I have not heard, till now, of these great caches/cashays of
currency being found on people. I guess I didn't follow the news as well
as I thought, even though I had CNN on all day and night. I never heard
of any unusual number of people going to fight Americans for these vast
sums. Whence did they come? Are they now POWs? Where is the money found
on their persons?

alyce

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02003-04-19 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > > Still I'd like opinions on the completely frameless
> > > lens, and on the Transitions lens.
> >
> > I like mine ok.
>
> oops forget my opinion I don't have Transitions lens, just some kind of
> half-assed smoked effect, makes me look like a German anthropologist.

So what was that incredibly long and dramatic thread about
"cat's eye" glasses etc about? As far as I remember you were
getting rid of the frameless (since they had a German anthro-
pologist look, doubtless) ...

Actually I have learned something about me in this thread.
Oh yes. As a result of a dotcom frenzy, if anybody remembers
one, I happen to be wearing glasses almost too hi-tech to
be true. They have light, thin, non-reflective or whatever
lenses and the frame is straight out of the gilded age. Of
course I personally made the decisions--must have--and the
contraption has proven easy to use, durable and relatively
OK looking, BUT ... I have absolutely no memory of what
went into it, how much it cost, etc. How come Pete, for
instance, remembers ALL of this crap and I remember none.
Is all I am saying. Thanks

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02003-04-19 | Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >Aren't those too obvious?
>
> >Betty
>
> Of course. I was referring to my own knee-jerk reaction to such "vibes"
> which I skillfully effect <after> the "BS event." It's also a useful skill
> during the thesis-writing-and-defense process. :).
>
> AS, poker face

I'll agree ... I didn't understand a word of the 2nd sentence.

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Tushar Samant writes,

>How come Pete, for instance, remembers ALL of this crap and I remember none.

Probably you save your memory for more important things. :)

Pete

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At 01:33 PM 4/19/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-19 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > It seems to me that a Tibetan monk, having been trained to focus,
> > would indeed be good at detecting micro-expressions.  It would also
> > seem, though, that to correlate any one or group of such expressions
> > with falsehood would require considerable experience with liars---
> > something one wouldn't expect of a Tibetan monk.
>
>So, don't you think you are holding the thing by the wrong end?
>Can anyone "detect" a meaningless micro-expression and then learn
>to "correlate" it with a meaning?

Yes.  What is your point?

B

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02003-04-19 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 01:33 PM 4/19/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-04-19 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >> It seems to me that a Tibetan monk, having been trained to focus,
> >> would indeed be good at detecting micro-expressions.  It would also
> >> seem, though, that to correlate any one or group of such expressions
> >> with falsehood would require considerable experience with liars---
> >> something one wouldn't expect of a Tibetan monk.
> >
> >So, don't you think you are holding the thing by the wrong end?
> >Can anyone "detect" a meaningless micro-expression and then learn
> >to "correlate" it with a meaning?
>
> Yes.  What is your point?

Cite.

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02003-04-19 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant writes,
>
> >How come Pete, for instance, remembers ALL of this crap and I remember
> >none.
>
> Probably you save your memory for more important things. :)

That's true--I think I can still recite the periodic table (and in
the real order, not "rhyming order"). Saved me from imminent death
a few times ...

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At 02:44 PM 4/19/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>Yet many came to your graduation.  I didn't know that. I wonder if they
>>will come to your funeral?     --B
>
>I don't plan on having a funeral.  In any case, my parents are now dead
>and, very likely, my siblings will be long dead when I die because they are
>17, 16, and 14 years older than I am.

Ah. I hadn't realized that they were all that much older.

Betty

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> Still I'd like opinions on the completely frameless
> lens, and on the Transitions lens.

I like mine ok.

Ann

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> >
> > What happens to me at home
>
> I like it.  It sounds <full and lively>.  One thing I don't understand,
> though, is about the christening.  I thought christenings occurred at
> churches during church services.
>

My dad is a minister, and wherever he is is a church.
clo

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At 01:33 PM 4/19/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-19 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > It seems to me that a Tibetan monk, having been trained to focus,
> > would indeed be good at detecting micro-expressions.  It would also
> > seem, though, that to correlate any one or group of such expressions
> > with falsehood would require considerable experience with liars---
> > something one wouldn't expect of a Tibetan monk.
>
>So, don't you think you are holding the thing by the wrong end?

Of course not.

>Can anyone "detect" a meaningless micro-expression and then learn
>to "correlate" it with a meaning?

Correlation means simply that---the co-relation between two variables.  So,
in this instance one would need both---the ability to detect
micro-expressions and the identifiable falsehoods.

cwv

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At 01:34 PM 4/19/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-19 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > --crossing your fingers behind your back
>
>True, but *how did he see that*?

Some things remain mysteries.

cwv

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> >How come Pete, for instance, remembers ALL of this crap and I
remember none.
>
> Probably you save your memory for more important things. :)
>
> Pete

He is so behind the times.
Why doesn't he just
add some more memory?

             - D. M.

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>
> My dad is a minister, and wherever he is is a church.
> clo

I think she should be fined.
She never told us she was a PK.

              - D. M.

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02003-04-19 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 01:33 PM 4/19/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-04-19 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >> It seems to me that a Tibetan monk, having been trained to focus,
> >> would indeed be good at detecting micro-expressions.  It would also
> >> seem, though, that to correlate any one or group of such expressions
> >> with falsehood would require considerable experience with liars---
> >> something one wouldn't expect of a Tibetan monk.
> >
> >So, don't you think you are holding the thing by the wrong end?
>
> Of course not.

Thanks for the update.

> >Can anyone "detect" a meaningless micro-expression and then learn
> >to "correlate" it with a meaning?
>
> Correlation means simply that---the co-relation between two variables.
> So, in this instance one would need both---the ability to detect
> micro-expressions and the identifiable falsehoods.

Get a clue ...

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> =
> = That is my problem.  I don't know what I
> = want.
> =
> =               - D. M.
>
> It's been a long time since I had automatic darkening lenses.
> What eventually annoyed me the most about them is that they
> yellow with age.  I found the tint really annoying at some point
> and never got them again.

I'm told they have improved them and they no longer
turn yellow.  They also adjust the shading much quicker.
>
> The last pair of glasses I got has a half frame on top, basic
> no-frill lenses except for glare reduction.  And for the first
> time ever, I got a pair of prescription sunglasses.  I don't know
> what made me wait so long.  They're wonderful.  Probably next
> time I will go for more expensive sunglass lenses.  The ones I
> have now are brown, and I think I really prefer the black.  But
> they're much more expensive.
>
> As for a look, I would rather have something along the line of
> full size reading glasses - a full size lens but with half a
> frame along the bottom instead of the top.  My eyebrows are
> really close to my eyes and they get wiped out a bit.

Thanks for your opinion.  Every bit helps.

                  - D. M.

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These people have lost almost everything and are selling everything else
they own, except the dog, in this auction on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2317295744&category=10034

I expect there will be more and more of these.

alyce

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>And for the first
>time ever, I got a pair of prescription sunglasses.  I don't know
>what made me wait so long.  They're wonderful.

I agree.  I always thought I would lose them.  But I haven't lost them in
about ten years now.  Once I did misplace them for a few months.


    --bonniev

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>I'm told they have improved them and they no longer
>turn yellow.  They also adjust the shading much quicker.
>                   - D. M.

A friend I have here walked into my living room just last month and said
"give me a minute until my lenses adjust."


    --bonniev

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02003-04-19 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> These people have lost almost everything and are selling everything else
> they own, except the dog, in this auction on ebay.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2317295744&category=10034
>
> I expect there will be more and more of these.

My god, that's the most infantile and zero-personality CRAP I have
ever seen costing $40,000! This is an "average home"?

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I like my Transitions very much. I've had this effect on my glasses for
years.  I decided I was too rough on glasses to go frameless.  I still
have traditional trifocals.

--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>Words-l means never having to say you have
>no one to ask.

Yes!

Bethany

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The fees at Hamilton House are lower than I anticipated ... I will
complete my pre-approval process with the UT Credit Union before I <look>.

Bethany

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> >I'm told they have improved them and they no longer
> >turn yellow.  They also adjust the shading much quicker.
> >                   - D. M.
>
> A friend I have here walked into my living room just last month and
said
> "give me a minute until my lenses adjust."
>
>
>     --bonniev

Oh-oh.  Just goes to show you can't believe
everything they (the seller)tell you.

                - D. M.

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At 03:01 PM 4/19/2003 -0500, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>I like my Transitions very much. I've had this effect on my glasses for
>years.  I decided I was too rough on glasses to go frameless.  I still
>have traditional trifocals.

I had to use my trifocals again because I left my regular ones at
home.  The trifocals were *horrid* but I used to like them.

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bonniev:
= >Rita Chapman wrote:
= >>         Thank God I can't stand my family.
= >
= >I am a reclusive only child.  Thank God I am a creep.
= >Ann
=
= I am a reclusive youngest child.  Thank God I am also a creep and the black
= sheep.  However, my family sounds a bit like Clo's.  I left at age 14 and
= never much looked back.
=
=
=    --bonniev

My family would be like Clo's if we were all in one place.  Well,
maybe not quite that chaotic.  Maybe that's why we're spread far
and wide.

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alyce cresap:
= These people have lost almost everything and are selling everything else
= they own, except the dog, in this auction on ebay.
=
= http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2317295744&category=10034
=
= I expect there will be more and more of these.
=
= alyce

I resemble these people.  But I have better taste in furniture.
And more books and records and cd's.  And more clothing.  And way
more garden stuff.

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At 04:06 PM 4/19/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> >Are there elevators?
>
>Yes!

Excellent.  I'd buy in Corpus though.

Betty

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At 04:16 PM 4/19/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, whimsy wrote:
>
> >=
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2317295744&category=10034
>
> >I resemble these people.  But I have better taste in furniture.
> >And more books and records and cd's.  And more clothing.  And way
> >more garden stuff.
>
>If I had already bought a condo, I could buy their stuff and furnish it.
>
>I have always thought it would be wonderful to move, leaving behind all
>one's furniture and acquring new furniture for the new place.

Just do it.

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-04-19 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
= > These people have lost almost everything and are selling everything else
= > they own, except the dog, in this auction on ebay.
= >
= > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2317295744&category=10034
= >
= > I expect there will be more and more of these.
=
= My god, that's the most infantile and zero-personality CRAP I have
= ever seen costing $40,000! This is an "average home"?

They're young yet.  They've been working hard.  They cleaned
everything up so they could take nice photos.  And they're not
selling their photographs and yearbooks.  And they threw out
everything that wasn't in good shape.

What would you show me from your house that has more personality?

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> At 04:19 PM 4/19/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >The fees at Hamilton House are lower than I anticipated ... I will
> >complete my pre-approval process with the UT Credit Union before I
<look>.
>
> What are the fees?  You've told us everything else.  I would hate
> fees.  They can be raised very easily year after year.
>
> B

Our fees in Waikiki are not as bad as one might
expect, and they haven't raised them for years.
The building is very well managed, and moneys
from the huge parking ramp help pay expenses.
The elevators, swimming pool, tennis courts,
hot tub, and barbecue areas are well kept, the
plantings are beautiful, and the entire building is
immaculate.

This year they checked, repaired, repainted the
entire exterior and completely redid the lobby . .
it is gorgeous.  Still, they didn't raise our fees.

Betty, you gotta go back.  And the rest of you
remember the offer I made.

                - D. M.

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Betty Clark wrote:

>Excellent.  I'd buy in Corpus though.

I may do both. It has occurred to me that real estate is one of the
current best investments.

Bethany

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02003-04-19 | whimsy <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-04-19 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> = > These people have lost almost everything and are selling everything else
> = > they own, except the dog, in this auction on ebay.
> = >
> = > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2317295744&category=10034
> = >
> = > I expect there will be more and more of these.
> =
> = My god, that's the most infantile and zero-personality CRAP I have
> = ever seen costing $40,000! This is an "average home"?
>
> They're young yet.  They've been working hard.  They cleaned
> everything up so they could take nice photos.  And they're not
> selling their photographs and yearbooks.  And they threw out
> everything that wasn't in good shape.
>
> What would you show me from your house that has more personality?

Give me $40,000 first!

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Amy Burns Short wrote:

A> Hey! Your aunt, my uncle. How fortuitious!!! This same uncle once gave me a
A> tape of Spike Jones ditties. I bet I could find a copy of the songbook
A> somewhere -- wonder if it's in reprint?

        I don't know as much about Spike Jones as perhaps I should.  There
are a few Tom Lehrer songbooks, according to Amazon.Com, but it looks like
the "Too Many Songs" one probably has the most songs in it, and it appears
to still be available.

--
Take care,
Tom Lee (flint@kiva.net)
who doesn't own "Books in Print" but is aware of its existence

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Betty Clark wrote:

>What are the fees?  You've told us everything else.  I would hate
>fees.  They can be raised very easily year after year.

I don't have the exact figures yet - I will have them soon. (I have
recent ones - that in fact may be current) They also include cable tv.
Right now I estimate them to be $240 for a 2-bedroom (probably what I will
buy if I buy there), including cable and all utilities except electricity.
Mike's (my agent) one-bedroom was $195 - and his electricity bill ran
about $15. He paid about $210 total per month. That includes the pool and
pool maintenance and all other bldg and grounds maintenance.

I pay $47.14 for cable tv and $38 a month to swim at the Y. If I buy at
HH, I will drop my Y membership (and swim at HH or UT) - so the additional
fee will be only about 154.86 - and I will have no water/gas bill. My
electricity bill will almost certainly be lower there than where I am - I
pay an average of about $70 right now. I would guess an average of less
than $50 at HH. So the fee would actually be only about $134.86 additional.

Of course fees can increase - but knowing the board will give one a clue
about that likelihood. There are sane people on the board. And I would
almost certainly seek to be elected to the board also.

Bethany

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I think I will plan a trip to CC soon. I have found one listing - I need
to see the city.

Condos/Townhouses-Sale - Breakers Condo 2 BR - 2 Bath 9th floor facing the
bay! W/D hookup, aprox. 1350 sq. ft. $120,000 FIRM. 361-884-2468

Bethany

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Doris Markland wrote:


> Betty, you gotta go back.  And the rest of you
> remember the offer I made.


We've discussed a Hawaii vacation in the next year or so,
but the dates you gave don't work for those of us tied to a
school schedule.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> >
> > My dad is a minister, and wherever he is is a church.
> > clo
>
> I think she should be fined.
> She never told us she was a PK.
>
>               - D. M.

I told you Br P's Dad and mine were colleagues.
I think.

besides, I am more obnoxious than that - I'm a T.O.

clo

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At 04:02 PM 4/19/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> > At 04:19 PM 4/19/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > >The fees at Hamilton House are lower than I anticipated ... I will
> > >complete my pre-approval process with the UT Credit Union before I
><look>.
> >
> > What are the fees?  You've told us everything else.  I would hate
> > fees.  They can be raised very easily year after year.
> >
> > B
>
>Our fees in Waikiki are not as bad as one might
>expect, and they haven't raised them for years.
>The building is very well managed, and moneys
>from the huge parking ramp help pay expenses.
>The elevators, swimming pool, tennis courts,
>hot tub, and barbecue areas are well kept, the
>plantings are beautiful, and the entire building is
>immaculate.
>
>This year they checked, repaired, repainted the
>entire exterior and completely redid the lobby . .
>it is gorgeous.  Still, they didn't raise our fees.
>
>Betty, you gotta go back.  And the rest of you
>remember the offer I made.

Yes, I'm definitely ready!

Betty

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> Doris Markland writes,
>
> I got new glasses within the last year or so.
>
> I decided not to get the frameless glasses; they're intriguing, but
looking
> at them on me, I decided they looked sort of funny without the
definition
> of the frame.
>
> I went with very thin titanium frames <http://tinyurl.com/9v6k>, and
> they've been sturdy and light.
>
> Thumbs-up on the no-glare (and thanks, Anne, for posting positively
about
> it so I got it on mine!).
>
> I don't know about the Transitions -- if it were me, I'd splurge on a
pair
> of prescription sunglasses instead.
>
> Hi-index lenses are really nice -- makes the lenses thinner, lighter,
and
> lessens the effect of making your eyes look funny.
>
> And for reducing glare outside and driving, I'd go with Betty's
> recommendation of polarization, too.
>
> Pete

Thanks for your opinions, Pete.

          - D. M.

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Did you hear about the cache found in an
ordinary house in Iraq? . . something like
650 million dollars in American cash.

They don't know the history of it, but if I
had to guess I'd say someone in that building
was paying guys who were coming there from
other countries to fight the Americans.  These
guys were being found with thousands of dollars
of cash in their pockets, even maybe hundreds
of thousands.

I don't know the rules, but it would be nice if
the money could be used to help rebuild Baghdad
and feed the people, etc.  A nice ending.  Sadaam's
money put to a good use.

                  - D. M.

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >>My dad is a minister, and wherever he is is a church.
> >>clo
> >>
>
>         Anyway, it isn't a minister that makes a church.

Very true. I stand corrected. In fact, I was being in a hurry. I should
say, he's empowered to carry out religious acts like marriage and baptism
and funerals wherever he happens to be. I was married in our home; so were
my sisters. One brother eloped; another married in a Buddhist ceremony;
and the third was married first in a park and second in a church.

clo

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> > > My dad is a minister, and wherever he is is a church.
> > > clo
> >
> > I think she should be fined.
> > She never told us she was a PK.
> >
> >               - D. M.
>
> I told you Br P's Dad and mine were colleagues.
> I think.
>
> besides, I am more obnoxious than that - I'm a T.O.

Please save me the time of thinking that
through.   What is a T. O.?

              - D. M.

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Yesterday he woke up with bad indigestion and slight fever. Today he
woke up with terrible diarrhea that has lasted all day. He has been in
bed two whole days. Just now his temp is 102, so I have sent him to the
ER. So I am along and my nurse is the sick one. 8-{

I hope they can fix him and that I don't get whatever it is.

Fraught with fear, pity, etc.
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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> So I am along

Correction
: So I am alone

alyce

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On 19 Apr 2003 at 16:02, Doris Markland wrote:

> The building is very well managed,

This is a key consideration--both having a good managing agent and a
good owners' association--and deserves more scrutiny than the precise
amount of the maintenance fees. The kneejerk reaction to maintenance
fees puzzles me when the alternative (having decided to live in a
condominium) is special assessments to deal with major problems such
as painting and roof repairs. Those can be a far greater burden than
making monthly payments sufficient to take care of ongoing
maintenance and building up a reserve to deal with major problems.

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>
>>little old pair of glasses is going to cost a small
>>fortune.                            - D. M.
>
>Over $400 I'll bet.
>
>
>    --bonniev

Thank goodness for a vision plan!
Betty

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> On 19 Apr 2003 at 16:02, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > The building is very well managed,
>
> This is a key consideration--both having a good managing agent and a
> good owners' association--and deserves more scrutiny than the precise
> amount of the maintenance fees. The kneejerk reaction to maintenance
> fees puzzles me when the alternative (having decided to live in a
> condominium) is special assessments to deal with major problems such
> as painting and roof repairs. Those can be a far greater burden than
> making monthly payments sufficient to take care of ongoing
> maintenance and building up a reserve to deal with major problems.

We did have a special assessment one year while
we did a refit on an inside sprinkling system.  Only
time we were ever hit, and it wasn't bad and was
worth it.  Otherwise, we just go on as we were.

mem, you will appreciate, however, that we are not
fee simple and have been trying for some time to
buy the land we sit on from Queen Liliouokanlani
Estate, without success.  An ongoing process.
Hope we succeed, as you know what happens
when the lease runs out.  Although we are told they
won't do what Bishop did to people.  We'll see.
Bishop killed for money!  (and of course we know
where it went)

                       - D. M.

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Oh, shoot!

It's because he is feeling so bad!

Let's hope they get him well fast.

               - D. M.


> Yesterday he woke up with bad indigestion and slight fever. Today he
> woke up with terrible diarrhea that has lasted all day. He has been in
> bed two whole days. Just now his temp is 102, so I have sent him to
the
> ER. So I am along and my nurse is the sick one. 8-{
>
> I hope they can fix him and that I don't get whatever it is.
>
> Fraught with fear, pity, etc.
> alyce
> --
> alyce cresap, books & ephemera
> po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
> 518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
> http://www.alybooks.com
> charter member: IOBA
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> selling books since 1963
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> alyce cresap wrote:
> >
> > So I am along
>
> Correction
> : So I am alone
>
> alyce

I'm glad you corrected that.  I was picturing
you making the trip.

          - D. M.

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Oh, no!  Poor Doug.  Let's hope it is just a tiny flu that
takes care of itself by tomorrow.  That green stuff they
give you in the E.R. to stop puking/diarrhea works pretty
well in my experience.

alyce cresap wrote:

> Yesterday he woke up with bad indigestion and slight fever. Today he
> woke up with terrible diarrhea that has lasted all day. He has been in
> bed two whole days. Just now his temp is 102, so I have sent him to the
> ER. So I am along and my nurse is the sick one. 8-{
>
> I hope they can fix him and that I don't get whatever it is.
>
> Fraught with fear, pity, etc.
> alyce
> --
> alyce cresap, books & ephemera
> po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
> 518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
> http://www.alybooks.com
> charter member: IOBA
> independent on-line booksellers association
> selling books since 1963
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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I caught the last 3/4 of a presentation called
"Inside the Regime" on CNN.  I would
recommend that you all try to catch this.
It will surely be repeated more than once,
today as least. 

It shows Sadaam's palaces and tells about
lots of what he had going for him.  78 palaces!
In each three lavish meals were prepared each
day, since no one knew where he would be.
This, while his people were starving.  Scenes
from these palaces were absolutely breathtaking.
The extravagance was beyond description.
To say nothing of the extravagance of his
neer-do-well son.

These presentations were filmed by Americans,
British, French, and maybe others.  

One report said that Sadaam earned 50 million
from cigarette smuggling, and that he received
a 30+% discount on the Oil for Food program.
There is almost no sure count on the billions
he raked in for the past years.

One could not watch these films without feeling
great anger.  I would ask that all our people who
have such concern for the rights of others view
what Sadaam did to the rights of his people.

Still doesn't give us the right to go in and change
things.  I wouldn't argue that.  But things having
happened as they did, take a look at what we
are seeing now, and let your heart respond.

               - D. M.

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02003-04-19 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> --crossing your fingers behind your back

True, but *how did he see that*?

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

>This is a key consideration--both having a good managing agent and a
>good owners' association--and deserves more scrutiny than the precise
>amount of the maintenance fees. The kneejerk reaction to maintenance
>fees puzzles me when the alternative (having decided to live in a
>condominium) is special assessments to deal with major problems such
>as painting and roof repairs. Those can be a far greater burden than
>making monthly payments sufficient to take care of ongoing
>maintenance and building up a reserve to deal with major problems.

Sensible comments. I don't do well with taking care of lawns,
replacing roofs, and painting houses - one reason I have leased for these
many years.

Bethany

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One report said that Sadaam earned 50 million
from cigarette smuggling, and that he received
a 30+% discount on the Oil for Food program.
There is almost no sure count on the billions
he raked in for the past years.

Correction:  I meant to say a 30+% kickback.

                        - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> $550.  Yikkers!  I think I'm going to
> start cutting out some of the "extras."

I started reading that as "I'm going to start cutting grass for extra
money."  That's probably because I found a note stuck on my front door
yesterday from a new lawn service that's soliciting customers.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> sums. Whence did they come? Are they now POWs? Where is the money found
> on their persons?

All I remember reading about money was that if an Iraqi civilian was
stopped and searched and had much cash, it was assumed that he was one
of Saddam's bad guys.  But re POWs, one thing I wondered about and might
have asked here but don't remember the answer is this:  where were the
Iraqi POWs kept?  It would be easy now to find places, but I mean in the
early days of the war when there were lots of POWs taken.  Were they put
in tents in the desert or what?

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> > I like it.  It sounds <full and lively>.  One thing I don't understand,
> > though, is about the christening.  I thought christenings occurred at
> > churches during church services.
> >
>
> My dad is a minister, and wherever he is is a church.

Ah so.  So how was the christening?  And how are you able to be online
on such a hectic day?

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whimsy wrote:

> frame along the bottom instead of the top.  My eyebrows are
> really close to my eyes and they get wiped out a bit.

I remember having that problem also back when I cared about glasses
frames.  Some looked weird because they hid my eyebrows totally.  Don't
know about my current glasses.  Lost interest in such matters by the
time I got them.  Or I guess I had by then.  I've had these frames for a
pretty long time now -- they've housed several different lenses, and I
haven't changed lenses in a while, even though I probably should since
the current ones aren't quite right.  But I don't really need glasses
for most things anymore.  I always wear them when I'm out and about but
rarely wear them in my house.

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At the risk of sounding seriously histrionic, do the Mormons have a "secret
police" within their ranks... do they engage in sheltering of their flock to
the extent that they do Watergate types of activities?

'Alan

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Betty Clark wrote:

> >I don't plan on having a funeral.  In any case, my parents are now dead
> >and, very likely, my siblings will be long dead when I die because they are
> >17, 16, and 14 years older than I am.
>
> Ah. I hadn't realized that they were all that much older.

But I'm impressed that they came to your graduation.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
 lots of POWs taken.  Were they put
> in tents in the desert or what?
>
In the first day(s) many were in a fenced enclosure in the desert, I
heard. I have heard nothing more and would like to know if they are
receiving good care,visits from their clergy, and if they can
communicated with their families.

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >
> > My dad is a minister, and wherever he is is a church.
> > clo
>
> I think she should be fined.
> She never told us she was a PK.

Yes she did.  I can't remember the context now -- as in the thread.  But
I do remember it.  I didn't think about that in relation to home
christenings, though.  I had assumed that christenings were always in
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Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>  I still
> have traditional trifocals.

Me too.  I'm happy with the compartmentalization.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:
>
>>>My dad is a minister, and wherever he is is a church.
>>>clo
>>>
>>I think she should be fined.
>>She never told us she was a PK.
>>
>
> Yes she did.  I can't remember the context now -- as in the thread.  But
> I do remember it.  I didn't think about that in relation to home
> christenings, though.  I had assumed that christenings were always in
> churches.


        I think a great many are not.  I was baptized in a swimming
pool once.



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> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>  lots of POWs taken.  Were they put
> > in tents in the desert or what?
> >
> In the first day(s) many were in a fenced enclosure in the desert, I
> heard. I have heard nothing more and would like to know if they are
> receiving good care,visits from their clergy, and if they can
> communicated with their families.
>
> alyce

I would guess that all the above apply.

I would love to send you the picture that I just
received from my son showing the tent city
he is living in . . in the middle of a sandstorm
so ferocious you can't see diddleysquat.
He flies all night, tries to sleep in the daytime
in his tent, 112 degrees.  He hasn't seen his
family for three months (and before that much
longer).  He is allergic to most of the food he
is served (all including chicken or chicken broth)
He hasn't had a good bath for ages.  Is using
Baby Wipes.   Everything he does is dangerous.
He flies low to the ground and is subject to
shoulder take-outs.  Most of what he is doing right now,
I believe, is humanitarian, bringing in food and
medical supplies, etc.  He's not a monster.
He does not complain.  He has been writing to
ask about our health and our concerns.
Bless his heart.  And please worry equally.

            - D. M.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >And for the first
> >time ever, I got a pair of prescription sunglasses.  I don't know
> >what made me wait so long.  They're wonderful.
>
> I agree.  I always thought I would lose them.  But I haven't lost them in
> about ten years now.  Once I did misplace them for a few months.

I don't ever wear sunglasses.  Yes, I know that sun encourages
cataracts, but somehow I just am not into sunglasses.  I can't remember
when I last had any sunglasses -- definitely decades ago.

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bonniev wrote:

> A friend I have here walked into my living room just last month and said
> "give me a minute until my lenses adjust."

Right!  That's what I remember about the indoor use.  I disliked that.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> If I had already bought a condo, I could buy their stuff and furnish it.
>
> I have always thought it would be wonderful to move, leaving behind all
> one's furniture and acquring new furniture for the new place.

I perhaps looked too hastily at those pictures.  I saw no furniture that
struck me as anything I'd want.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >Excellent.  I'd buy in Corpus though.
>
> I may do both. It has occurred to me that real estate is one of the
> current best investments.

That thought has been niggling around in my head also.  I am so thankful
to the gopods that I didn't sell my old house.  If it were possible to
buy anything in that neighborhood, meaning that Dan Camp would agree to
manage it for me, I would do it.  But there's nothing for sale, and the
cost would be outrageous if there were.  I've also thought, though,
about how having a second home even if not rental might be a wise
thing.  Even if it didn't increase much in value, it would at least be
sitting there as money under the mattress, as opposed to the iffy stock
market.  For somebody of my age, without heirs, I think there are things
to be said for money under the mattress.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> buy if I buy there), including cable and all utilities except electricity.

What are the other utilities?  Gas?  Water?  Telephone?

> Mike's (my agent) one-bedroom was $195 - and his electricity bill ran
> about $15.

Even though I've said at various times before that electricity in
Knoxville is almost free, I still find this totally amazing.  It wasn't
*that* almost free when I lived there.

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This evening, I had assembled the pizza and while waiting for the oven to
heat, I stepped out onto the deck to have a sip of good MDI beer and enjoy
the twilight.  I think that this is the first time this spring that I've
done that---most evenings, it still has been too cold and windy.  The sky
was clear and off to the southwest, there was one contrail lit by the
setting sun---a jet headed for Boston or New York.  Across the way, near
Eddy Brook (a <very> small stream), one red-winged blackbird was not quite
ready to give up the territorial contest and nearer, one robin was chirping
and chuckling as the light faded; one mourning dove was still vocalizing in
the distance.  It's still not quite dark, and still
pleasant.  Spring.  Yeah. Finally.

cwv

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Doris Markland wrote:

>>My dad is a minister, and wherever he is is a church.
>>clo
>>
>
> I think she should be fined.
> She never told us she was a PK.
>


        Anyway, it isn't a minister that makes a church.




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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> luckily, I'm allergic to hymnals and can't enter churches any more.

Are there still sunrise services on Easter?  I remember those from
childhood, even though my family didn't go to them -- we went on to the
regular services, but I haven't heard about them in a long time.  They
were always outside -- in a stadium.

> I like that my family can
> be disorganized and spontaneous and make it come out right.

I think your family sounds great.

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> This evening, I had assembled the pizza and while waiting for the oven
to
> heat, I stepped out onto the deck to have a sip of good MDI beer and
enjoy
> the twilight.  I think that this is the first time this spring that
I've
> done that---most evenings, it still has been too cold and windy.  The
sky
> was clear and off to the southwest, there was one contrail lit by the
> setting sun---a jet headed for Boston or New York.  Across the way,
near
> Eddy Brook (a <very> small stream), one red-winged blackbird was not
quite
> ready to give up the territorial contest and nearer, one robin was
chirping
> and chuckling as the light faded; one mourning dove was still
vocalizing in
> the distance.  It's still not quite dark, and still
> pleasant.  Spring.  Yeah. Finally.
>
> cwv

Spring here too.  I love the soft rain, which fell all
day yesterday.  I love trees, but most love them in
this stage, when the green leaves are just barely
visible, seen in a soft spray against the blue sky.
I love the surprises that poke up through the earth
and show color.  I love the breeze blowing in the
window which has been closed so long.  I love
change.

                - D. M.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>         I think a great many are not.  I was baptized in a swimming
> pool once.

And then there are total immersions in lakes, rivers, etc.

alyce

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Doris Markland wrote:

> This, while his people were starving.

Well, not all of them were starving, but it's true that the US sanctions
did cause problems.

> One could not watch these films without feeling
> great anger.  I would ask that all our people who
> have such concern for the rights of others view
> what Sadaam did to the rights of his people.

Via CNN?  I don't mean in any way to suggest that Saddam was a <good
guy>.  He was far from that.  But I do hope you're checking sources
other than CNN, the US propaganda machine.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > christenings, though.  I had assumed that christenings were always in
> > churches.
>
>         I think a great many are not.  I was baptized in a swimming
> pool once.

Once as opposed to the other times?  I do know about river baptisms --
not from real life but from movies.  But they were always baptisms in
what I think of as the Baptist tradition -- like they weren't infants.
Have we discussed this before?  I don't know whether my terminology is
correct, but I think of christenings as being the dollop of water on an
infant's head and baptisms as being dunkings later in life.   My only
experience was before my memory cells grew -- the hand of a preacher on
my infant head beside the birdbath-looking-thing in our Methodist
church.

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:

>Are there elevators?

Yes!

Bethany

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02003-04-19 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> I find what they're doing admirable.  It's just that I found their
> description of living the "good life" and buying "good stuff" kind of
> funny when I started looking at the pictures, which I zoomed through
> very quickly since it all looked quite boring.  And where were the
> books?  Maybe they're keeping them.

I like to think I don't have to say it ... but I will. I don't have
any comment to make on their youth, hard work and radical decision.
It was just a bit jaw-dropping to read "stupendously awesome stuff",
and encounter picture after picture of IKEA, Linens and Things, and
Sony ... damn, can't a guy even react anymore without being led into
unrelated pathways instantly?

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Doris Markland wrote:

>  He's not a monster.
> He does not complain.  He has been writing to
> ask about our health and our concerns.
> Bless his heart.  And please worry equally.

I find it amazing beyond words that you would feel the need to say "he's
not a monster."  Do you really think that those of us who are anti-war
think that people like your son are monsters?  I'm flabergasted.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
 you are going to be fine.  My
> gut speaks, and it always speaks truth!  Not only that, but all of the
> Wordsler vibes pouring through the air to Germantown will for sure make
> things ok!

He just called and is on the way home via the pharmacy if it still is
open. He was given two IVs because he is so parched. They took a poop
culture, but won't have results till next week, so he will have to call
to get them. He has a prescription for zythromax if he can get it. Else
he will have to go back tomorrow; Not a lot of 24/7 drug stores here. He
could go to W*****t but it is the other direction and I don't think he
is well enough to drive that far right now.

alyce
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>christenings, though.  I had assumed that christenings were always in
>>>churches.
>>>
>>        I think a great many are not.  I was baptized in a swimming
>>pool once.
>>
>
> Once as opposed to the other times?



Yup.





--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Spring in Tulsa often means tornadoes.  This evening, we've had
several in the state, including one aloft that passed over the town
in which my brother lives (Glenpool) and later passed over ORU.
Right now, there's one over McAlester (which is south of Tulsa).

Evelyn Duncan
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>Are there still sunrise services on Easter?  I remember those from
>childhood, even though my family didn't go to them -
>  -- Natalie

Yes, they have them here.  Outdoors in a high place so that the rising sun
can be seen.


    --bonniev

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Most recent I could find from today's Washington Post.
That Geneva Convention keeps getting in the way, it looks like.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53487-2003Apr18.html

Options on Handling of Iraqi POWs Considered. Geneva Conventions May
Complicate U.S. Trial Plans.
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There are several hits for Iraqi POW camps if anyone cares.

alyce

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> > This, while his people were starving.
>
> Well, not all of them were starving, but it's true that the US
sanctions
> did cause problems.
>
> > One could not watch these films without feeling
> > great anger.  I would ask that all our people who
> > have such concern for the rights of others view
> > what Sadaam did to the rights of his people.
>
> Via CNN?  I don't mean in any way to suggest that Saddam was a <good
> guy>.  He was far from that.  But I do hope you're checking sources
> other than CNN, the US propaganda machine.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Bullshit, Natalie.  Watch it and then decide.

               - D. M.

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> Doris Markland wrote:
> > Bless his heart.  And please worry equally.
> >
> Well, for heaven's sake, Doris, don't you think I've been worried
about
> him and all the others for a long time, long before this latest
> incursion began? If you have missed this, you have a reading
> comprehension problem. Concern about mothers' sons is very much on my
> mind, and is largely why I am opposed to war. I don't want to stir up
> old waters again, but your post seems to suggest that I am unpatriotic
> and unsympathetic to the troops and their travails. And that astounds
> me. I really am sorry about his discomfort and the danger in which he
> lives every day. I am sorry that his commander has placed him there
and
> hope he is brought back, like, yesterday.
>
> As for the Iraqi POWs, I'd like to see some account, some picture,
some
> something about their care and comfort, for I have seen none except
> early on, which scenes were not very encouraging. I may try to Google
> for some, but I have not had much time for computering today.
>
> alyce

Well, let us know, by all means.

Meanwhile, with all due respect, I am afraid
you and a few others on this list are very
much not on our side but on another's.
         - D. M.

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >  He's not a monster.
> > He does not complain.  He has been writing to
> > ask about our health and our concerns.
> > Bless his heart.  And please worry equally.
>
> I find it amazing beyond words that you would feel the need to say
"he's
> not a monster."  Do you really think that those of us who are anti-war
> think that people like your son are monsters?  I'm flabergasted.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

As I have been flabergasted by some of
your ridiculous posts.

          - D. M.

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> 02003-04-19 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > It shows Sadaam's palaces and tells about
> > lots of what he had going for him.  78 palaces!
> > In each three lavish meals were prepared each
> > day, since no one knew where he would be.
> > This, while his people were starving.  Scenes
> > from these palaces were absolutely breathtaking.
> > The extravagance was beyond description.
> > To say nothing of the extravagance of his
> > neer-do-well son.
>
> Time to change my opinion of Saddam. Maybe he was kind of a
> bad guy after all.

Oh, you are so subtle, Tushar.
Clever!  How did you think of that response?

                    - D. M.

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>Meanwhile, with all due respect, I am afraid
>you and a few others on this list are very
>much not on our side but on another's.
>          - D. M.

Are you drinking again tonight, Doris?  Are you going to apologize in the
morning like you did last time?  I find your post above, to Alyce and
Natalie, extremely offensive.  To be on the side of suffering humanity is
not to be against "our" side.


    --bonniev

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Doris Markland wrote:


> Well, let us know, by all means.
>
> Meanwhile, with all due respect, I am afraid
> you and a few others on this list are very
> much not on our side but on another's.


        That's fuzzy thinking.  Just because I think the war is
wrong, doesn't mean I think Saddam Hussein is right.  I
think he is (or was, such as the case may be) an evil
bastard -- and I don't use the word "evil" lightly.  Two
wrongs don't make a right, however.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
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> Spring in Tulsa often means tornadoes.

Here also.  Tornado watches are routine in spring (generally speaking --
I think February is our major month re tornadoes).  And we have a fair
number of tornado warnings, which are of course far more <significant>
than watches.  But that does not keep me from loving spring.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> >Meanwhile, with all due respect, I am afraid
> >you and a few others on this list are very
> >much not on our side but on another's.
> >          - D. M.
>
> Are you drinking again tonight, Doris?  Are you going to apologize in
the
> morning like you did last time?  I find your post above, to Alyce and
> Natalie, extremely offensive.  To be on the side of suffering humanity
is
> not to be against "our" side.
>
>
>     --bonniev

I'm sorry you see it that way.

           - D. M.

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Doris Markland wrote:
> > Bless his heart.  And please worry equally.
> >
> Well, for heaven's sake, Doris, don't you think I've been worried about
> him and all the others for a long time, long before this latest
> incursion began? If you have missed this, you have a reading
> comprehension problem.

I was too amazed by Doris's statement about thinking her son was a
"monster" to go on with what I was going to say.  I also wasn't sure
what "please worry equally" meant.  It would be presumptious and insane
to suggest that an outsider's worry would be equal to a mother's worry.
But I will say that not a day has gone by during this war or during his
Afghanistan stint when I have not worried about Doris's son.

> I don't want to stir up
> old waters again, but your post seems to suggest that I am unpatriotic
> and unsympathetic to the troops and their travails. And that astounds
> me. I really am sorry about his discomfort and the danger in which he
> lives every day. I am sorry that his commander has placed him there and
> hope he is brought back, like, yesterday.

Ditto.  I am reminded of something I read somewhere a couple of weeks
ago about the mother of a soldier in Iraq who stands beside a highway
everyday with a large peace sign and a sign saying, "My son is in Iraq.
Please stop this war."  On her front door is a peace sign and a yellow
ribbon.  I really don't understand the mentality that thinks those two
things are incompatible.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
>
> > Well, let us know, by all means.
> >
> > Meanwhile, with all due respect, I am afraid
> > you and a few others on this list are very
> > much not on our side but on another's.
>
>
>         That's fuzzy thinking.  Just because I think the war is
> wrong, doesn't mean I think Saddam Hussein is right.  I
> think he is (or was, such as the case may be) an evil
> bastard -- and I don't use the word "evil" lightly.  Two
> wrongs don't make a right, however.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

I thought the war was wrong too.
But I didn't run down our country
and our president, who may in the
long run know more about it than
I do.  Maybe not.  Well, yes, they
know more about it than I do, but
whether they were right I don't know.

             - D. M.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> It was just a bit jaw-dropping to read "stupendously awesome stuff",
> and encounter picture after picture of IKEA, Linens and Things, and

I didn't remember that exact quotation.  I glanced through the page
quickly.  If I had noticed that wording, "stupendously awesome stuff," I
might have been better prepared for the stuff pictured.

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At 01:28 PM 4/19/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>> >         Thank God I can't stand my family.
>>
>>I am a reclusive only child.  Thank God I am a creep.
>>Ann
>
>I am a reclusive youngest child.  Thank God I am also a creep and the black
>sheep.  However, my family sounds a bit like Clo's.  I left at age 14 and
>never much looked back.

Yet many came to your graduation.  I didn't know that. I wonder if they
will come to your funeral?

B

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alyce cresap wrote:

> He just called and is on the way home via the pharmacy if it still is
> open. He was given two IVs because he is so parched. They took a poop
> culture, but won't have results till next week, so he will have to call
> to get them. He has a prescription for zythromax if he can get it. Else
> he will have to go back tomorrow; Not a lot of 24/7 drug stores here. He
> could go to W*****t but it is the other direction and I don't think he
> is well enough to drive that far right now.

I am happy that he is on his way home!  They wouldn't have released him
if they thought he wasn't basically ok.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> >>        I think a great many are not.  I was baptized in a swimming
> >>pool once.
> >>
> > Once as opposed to the other times?
>
> Yup.

Which one did you find most <significant>?

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >Even though I've said at various times before that electricity in
> >Knoxville is almost free, I still find this totally amazing.  It wasn't
> >*that* almost free when I lived there.
>
> Did you heat with gas?

No.  All-electric in Kville -- and very cheap.  But not as cheap as $15
a month.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > Via CNN?  I don't mean in any way to suggest that Saddam was a <good
> > guy>.  He was far from that.  But I do hope you're checking sources
> > other than CNN, the US propaganda machine.
>
> Bullshit, Natalie.  Watch it and then decide.

??  I look at cnn.com every day of my life.  It's usually the first news
I look at in the morning and the last I look at at night, plus looking
at it many times in between on most days.

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > > Via CNN?  I don't mean in any way to suggest that Saddam was a
<good
> > > guy>.  He was far from that.  But I do hope you're checking
sources
> > > other than CNN, the US propaganda machine.
> >
> > Bullshit, Natalie.  Watch it and then decide.
>
> ??  I look at cnn.com every day of my life.  It's usually the first
news
> I look at in the morning and the last I look at at night, plus looking
> at it many times in between on most days.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Not questioning that.  I just suggested a very
specific program called "Inside the Regime."
It's something to watch.

                     - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

>>Doris Markland wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Well, let us know, by all means.
>>>
>>>Meanwhile, with all due respect, I am afraid
>>>you and a few others on this list are very
>>>much not on our side but on another's.
>>>
>>
>>        That's fuzzy thinking.  Just because I think the war is
>>wrong, doesn't mean I think Saddam Hussein is right.  I
>>think he is (or was, such as the case may be) an evil
>>bastard -- and I don't use the word "evil" lightly.  Two
>>wrongs don't make a right, however.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>>
>
> I thought the war was wrong too.
> But I didn't run down our country
> and our president, who may in the
> long run know more about it than
> I do.  Maybe not.  Well, yes, they
> know more about it than I do, but
> whether they were right I don't know.


Why shouldn't I criticize the president?



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>
> Talk about bullshit!  I am again flabergasted.  I have read/heard that
> there are people in this country who think that way -- that if you are
> against the war, you are for Saddam -- or in an even stupider version,
> if you are against the war, you think it was just fine that the 9/11
> terrorists did what they did.
>
> My mind is reeling right now, though, because I would never in a
> thousand years have thought Doris was that stupid.  I have always
> admired Doris for being an intelligent, thinking person.  I feel
really
> down right now.  Disillusionment is painful.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Sorry.  I had bit my lip until it was bleeding.

Did you never really think how other's would
feel when you made some of the remarks you
did?  I didn't keep copies so I can't reference,
but there were times I was almost in shock.

This does not make me not your friend, even
though you call me stupid.  This is Words-l,
for heaven's sake.  Give me a break.

                 - D. M.

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> >>--
> >>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> >>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> >>http://www.etext.org/~rita
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I thought the war was wrong too.
> > But I didn't run down our country
> > and our president, who may in the
> > long run know more about it than
> > I do.  Maybe not.  Well, yes, they
> > know more about it than I do, but
> > whether they were right I don't know.
>
>
> Why shouldn't I criticize the president?
>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

You are free to criticize.  The timing of
your criticism is a matter of conscience.

                      - D. M.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

>  Maybe BrP will say something (oh, he is
> nomail at weekends).

If the sexy Russian who joined our lunch group a few days ago shows up
again, I'll ask him.  He might not know much about Serbian, though.  His
thing is physics.  He's here for a month to do whatever physicists do
when they're hanging out with physicists in another country.  The
Norwegian physicist on a crutch brought the Russian to lunch.  The
Norwegian actually teaches at Florida State but is here on sabbatical
until the end of June.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Doris Markland wrote:
> > >  He's not a monster.
> > > He does not complain.  He has been writing to
> > > ask about our health and our concerns.
> > > Bless his heart.  And please worry equally.
> >
> > I find it amazing beyond words that you would feel the need to say
> "he's
> > not a monster."  Do you really think that those of us who are anti-war
> > think that people like your son are monsters?  I'm flabergasted.
>
> As I have been flabergasted by some of
> your ridiculous posts.

I would ask for a cite of one of my ridiculous posts, but I have just
realized that we indeed inhabit totally alien planets.  I am appalled
that you think I don't care about the U.S. troops.  I hadn't fully
realized that what Alyce said about you was true -- that you think that
being anti-war means being anti-American or unpatriotic.  I find your
attitude disgusting beyond words, and I feel that you haven't a clue
about what this country is really all about.

I am disillusioned beyond words.  Doris was one of my heroes.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Did you heat with gas?
>
>No.  All-electric in Kville -- and very cheap.  But not as cheap as $15
>a month.

Remember - condo fees at HH include gas and water.

Bethany

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Doris Markland wrote:

>>>>--
>>>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>>>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>>>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I thought the war was wrong too.
>>>But I didn't run down our country
>>>and our president, who may in the
>>>long run know more about it than
>>>I do.  Maybe not.  Well, yes, they
>>>know more about it than I do, but
>>>whether they were right I don't know.
>>>
>>
>>Why shouldn't I criticize the president?
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>
>
> You are free to criticize.  The timing of
> your criticism is a matter of conscience.


        I've never really understood the idea that it isn't proper to
criticize the government during war.  To me, that's the time
when it is most important that I care what the government is
doing since people are being killed.

        My conscience is quite clear.  I've had long discussions with
my priest, who is a recently retired lt. colonel and whose
son is on active duty in the army.  FWIW, my rector doesn't
agree with this war, either.  Naturally, I pray for his son,
Robert, and all the troops.  I know personally at least 6
people over there right now -- good friends, a couple
colleagues from school, and members of my congregation.  I
do not come by my opinions lightly.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>>       I think a great many are not.  I was baptized in a swimming
>>>>pool once.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Once as opposed to the other times?
>>>
>>Yup.
>>
>
> Which one did you find most <significant>?


        I think #2 (out of three).



--
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>  you are going to be fine.  My
> > gut speaks, and it always speaks truth!  Not only that, but all of the
> > Wordsler vibes pouring through the air to Germantown will for sure make
> > things ok!
>
> He just called and is on the way home via the pharmacy if it still is
> open. He was given two IVs because he is so parched.

Alyce, do you have a plan B nurse? I am pretty sure that Hospice could
help with advice, at least.

Is there anything we can do?

clo

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> > He just called and is on the way home via the pharmacy if it still
is
> > open. He was given two IVs because he is so parched.
>
> Alyce, do you have a plan B nurse? I am pretty sure that Hospice could
> help with advice, at least.
>
> Is there anything we can do?
>
> clo

What was the diagnosis?  A flu?

                    - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

>>>Betty, you gotta go back.  And the rest of you
>>>remember the offer I made.
>>>
>>
>>We've discussed a Hawaii vacation in the next year or so,
>>but the dates you gave don't work for those of us tied to a
>>school schedule.
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>
>
> Understandable.  But on some other date I may
> may still be able to get you a good deal.    Depends
> upon whether business picks up.  It's been pretty
> lean since 9/11, and tourism is now the main
> industry of Hawaii.


Thank you.  I'm pretty sure, though, that the times we would
be able to go are too high-demand for very good deals --
either Christmas break or spring break in March.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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> >>We've discussed a Hawaii vacation in the next year or so,
> >>but the dates you gave don't work for those of us tied to a
> >>school schedule.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> >>
> >
> > Understandable.  But on some other date I may
> > may still be able to get you a good deal.    Depends
> > upon whether business picks up.  It's been pretty
> > lean since 9/11, and tourism is now the main
> > industry of Hawaii.
>
>
> Thank you.  I'm pretty sure, though, that the times we would
> be able to go are too high-demand for very good deals --
> either Christmas break or spring break in March.

March could work.

         - D. M.

> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> Why shouldn't I criticize the president?

Because Doris says Heil Dubya!  As I think I said a little while ago,
she and I have very different views about what this country is all
about.  My country that I love and try to do everything I can for is not
one that forbids or even discourages criticizing the president.  I find
the idea of discouraging speaking out for what one sees as right
extremely scary.  Doris obviously disagrees.  Makes me wonder why she
likes living in this kind of country.  I think she would be happier
living in a different kind of country.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>One estimate I got yesterday was for
>$550.

One reason I had LASIK -

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>Why shouldn't I criticize the president?
>>
>
> Because Doris says Heil Dubya!  As I think I said a little while ago,
> she and I have very different views about what this country is all
> about.  My country that I love and try to do everything I can for is not
> one that forbids or even discourages criticizing the president.  I find
> the idea of discouraging speaking out for what one sees as right
> extremely scary.  Doris obviously disagrees.  Makes me wonder why she
> likes living in this kind of country.  I think she would be happier
> living in a different kind of country.
>
> --


        No, I think Doris is a scared and hurting mom.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >>>christenings, though.  I had assumed that christenings were always in
> >>>churches.
> >>>
> >>        I think a great many are not.  I was baptized in a swimming
> >>pool once.
> >>
> >
> > Once as opposed to the other times?
> Yup.

Me too. Methodist, then Mormon. Not counting tent revivals.
Hence the allergy.

clo

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Did you never really think how other's would
> feel when you made some of the remarks you
> did?  I didn't keep copies so I can't reference,
> but there were times I was almost in shock.

No, I don't know what you're talking about.  I understand that you
wouldn't have kept copies.  I don't normally keep copies of anything.
But can you at least give a hint of some kind of what you're talking
about?

> This does not make me not your friend, even
> though you call me stupid.  This is Words-l,
> for heaven's sake.  Give me a break.

I find it stupid for you to think that being anti-war is being
anti-American.  If you can explain to me why being anti-war is being
anti-American, I will retract whatever I said about stupidity.  To me,
being anti-war is being PRO-American.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> > Theological Offspring
> > clo
>
> Same thing.
>
>     - D. M.
>
More pretension.
clo

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At 12:15 PM 4/19/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>Someone told me that they are less stable on your
>face.  One gal said she had to keep fooling with
>them to get them positioned just where the correction
>works.

Don't understand that one.  Mine feel very stable. She must have been old.

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> > Why shouldn't I criticize the president?
>
> Because Doris says Heil Dubya!

Oh for chrissake Natalie.  I call this worse than anything Doris has said
(so far).

Ann

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > Why shouldn't I criticize the president?
> > --
> > Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
> You are free to criticize.  The timing of
> your criticism is a matter of conscience.

What does that mean?  Your wording suggests to me that you think there's
something amiss about Rita's conscience, though I may be
misinterpreting, which is why I'm asking for clarification.

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----- Original Message -----
From: <clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU>
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Alan Wild wrote:
>
> > At the risk of sounding seriously histrionic, do the Mormons have a
"secret
> > police" within their ranks... do they engage in sheltering of their
flock to
> > the extent that they do Watergate types of activities?
> >
> > 'Alan
> >
>
> In the past, they did. It's an intriguing question. Why?
> clo

I figured as much, and I'll bet they still do, only it's prolly super
hush-hush...

'My brother... he's 'round the bend, and I'm wondering if it's healthy for
my family if I try to get him out of it... 'Likely not.

"Ric, that asshole... "    Bon voyage, fuck-up...

Har!  (I hate it)

'Alan

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >> Did you heat with gas?
> >
> >No.  All-electric in Kville -- and very cheap.  But not as cheap as $15
> >a month.
>
> Remember - condo fees at HH include gas and water.

??  That is why I said all-electric above.  I wasn't talking about gas
and water.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>>>>christenings, though.  I had assumed that christenings were always in
>>>>>churches.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>       I think a great many are not.  I was baptized in a swimming
>>>>pool once.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Once as opposed to the other times?
>>>
>>Yup.
>>
>
> Me too. Methodist, then Mormon. Not counting tent revivals.
> Hence the allergy.


        Well, eventually I figured out where it all fits for me. Just
took about 10 years.  No allergies.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Doris Markland wrote:

> It's not what you say, Natalie.
> It's how you say it.

I will ponder this.  It's not unlike what I've read in analyses of Bush
vs Clinton in their warmongering.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> > Which one did you find most <significant>?
>
>         I think #2 (out of three).

Why?  If that's too personal a question, you can of course say so and
not answer.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> Me too. Methodist, then Mormon. Not counting tent revivals.
> Hence the allergy.

What brand is your minister father?  At some point in earlier
discussions, I thought Methodist, but I'm not sure.

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>
> Because Doris says Heil Dubya!  As I think I said a little while ago,
> she and I have very different views about what this country is all
> about.  My country that I love and try to do everything I can for is
not
> one that forbids or even discourages criticizing the president.  I
find
> the idea of discouraging speaking out for what one sees as right
> extremely scary.  Doris obviously disagrees.  Makes me wonder why she
> likes living in this kind of country.  I think she would be happier
> living in a different kind of country.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Calm down, Natalie.  I don't say heil Dubya.  (Well,
in the first place I don't call him Dubya).  You don't
hear me praising him either.  What the heck do I
know about what any supposed leader in these times
should think or do.  And I doubt Gore could have
done better, but that we'll never know.

But I think you have no idea the quantity and bitterness
of your constant comments. One just gets tired of it.
I cannot believe that all our current problems are the
result of Republican thinking/actions.  That's a simple
answer for a very complicated world situation.  It
bothers me that you write on the list and blame all
the problems on Bush/Republicans, for all the world
to read, certainly making it sound as if there is
something terribly wrong here.  Not everyone
would agree with that.

I happen to think we will find our way, one way
or the other, and that good will come out of all
this.

Even on Words-l.

                     - D. M.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         No, I think Doris is a scared and hurting mom.

Well, of course.  That has been true for a long time now.  And, as I
said earlier, the idea that we were not worried about her son strikes me
as crazy.  I can't speak for other Wordslers, of course, but I can
certainly say that I have worried about him quite a bit.  That does not
mean that I "share equally" her worry.  Such a notion is absurd.  But I
certainly have felt it.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>
> > Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Why shouldn't I criticize the president?
> >>
> >
> > Because Doris says Heil Dubya!  As I think I said a little while
ago,
> > she and I have very different views about what this country is all
> > about.  My country that I love and try to do everything I can for is
not
> > one that forbids or even discourages criticizing the president.  I
find
> > the idea of discouraging speaking out for what one sees as right
> > extremely scary.  Doris obviously disagrees.  Makes me wonder why
she
> > likes living in this kind of country.  I think she would be happier
> > living in a different kind of country.
> >
> > --
>
>
>         No, I think Doris is a scared and hurting mom.

Sounds good and thank you.  Hurting but not from
fear.  It's just not smart to stir up a mama lion (Leo).
Know what I mean?  :-)
                                  - D. M.



> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Remember - condo fees at HH include gas and water.
>
>??  That is why I said all-electric above.  I wasn't talking about gas
>and water.

And of course I am including all utilities. To say that $15 a month is
cheap when you don't know or don't specify what it pays for seems ...
tentative.

Bethany

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> > Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> > > Why shouldn't I criticize the president?
> >
> > Because Doris says Heil Dubya!
>
> Oh for chrissake Natalie.  I call this worse than anything Doris has said
> (so far).

Why?  Doris seemed to be suggesting that it was <wrong> to criticize the
President.  It is not <wrong> in the world I live in.  It is in fact
considered <right> to speak out if one has criticisms to voice.

So what do you find so bad in what I said?

Re what Rita was saying about a worried mother, I will add that, though
very clearly I cannot put myself in such a position, I do know various
people who are active in the pro-peace movement who in fact do have
children in the US military in Iraq.  I'm not thinking now so much about
the woman I mentioned while ago who puts her peace sign and her yellow
ribbons on and stands by the highways.  I mentioned her because I
thought some of you might have read about her since she was a feature
story on one of the national news places -- can't remember which one
now.  I'm talking about people I know locally who have children in the
military in Iraq and have been very actively involved in the anti-war
rallies.

But ramblings aside now and back to the point.  Why (re what you said
above)?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>
> > This does not make me not your friend, even
> > though you call me stupid.  This is Words-l,
> > for heaven's sake.  Give me a break.
>
> I find it stupid for you to think that being anti-war is being
> anti-American.  If you can explain to me why being anti-war is being
> anti-American, I will retract whatever I said about stupidity.  To me,
> being anti-war is being PRO-American.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Then I must stay stupid.  I don't remember what
you said.  Or how many times you said it.  Nothing
good, that I remember.  Just negative stuff.
I am anti-war too, but never found a place to
put the blame quite so specifically as you did.
But then I'm stupid, and I admit it.


               - D. M.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>>Which one did you find most <significant>?
>>>
>>        I think #2 (out of three).
>>
>
> Why?  If that's too personal a question, you can of course say so and
> not answer.
>


Well, #1 as a baby, and we don't even have any pictures of
it for some reason, so I have no memory at all. John's is
the only baptism my parents seem to have thrown a party for
and took lots of pictures of, which is a little odd since I
*am* the oldest after all.  Very little significance there.
  I might add that Ana does find significance in her baptism
at 9 mos. even though she doesn't remember -- she likes to
look at the pictures and the candle.

#2 was when I was about 19, I think.  It was part of joining
a pretty fundamentalist church that believed only adult
baptism was valid, and it felt right to me at the time.  I
was <dunked> by a very dear friend who is non-religious
right now, but who I consider to be one of the most godly
people I know -- if God listens to any of us when we pray, I
know it is this person.

#3 was because the aforementioned church was going through a
phase where it was questioning whether certain baptisms
"worked" -- mine came under scrutiny because I wasn't of the
same ilk as many members.  I consider that one superfluous.

And there you go.  No more vodka for me tonight.  Wouldn't
want you all to know how deeply religious I really am.

Jeez, I bought an egregious amount of Easter candy -- I'm
not used to doing one basket.  I'd better put some of it
away with the candy Karolin sent this week.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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----- Original Message -----

> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > > Why shouldn't I criticize the president?
> > > --
> > > Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> >
> > You are free to criticize.  The timing of
> > your criticism is a matter of conscience.
>
> What does that mean?  Your wording suggests to me that you think
there's
> something amiss about Rita's conscience, though I may be
> misinterpreting, which is why I'm asking for clarification.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

No overt nor covert criticism in that post.
Just saying you can criticize and you decide when.
I don't remember hearing criticism come from Rita
through this war, in fact, and I have nothing to
criticize about her postings.

                      - D. M.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> And of course I am including all utilities. To say that $15 a month is
> cheap when you don't know or don't specify what it pays for seems ...
> tentative.

Huh?  You said quite specifically that it was for electricity.

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>
> Well, of course.  That has been true for a long time now.  And, as I
> said earlier, the idea that we were not worried about her son strikes
me
> as crazy.  I can't speak for other Wordslers, of course, but I can
> certainly say that I have worried about him quite a bit.  That does
not
> mean that I "share equally" her worry.  Such a notion is absurd.  But
I
> certainly have felt it.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Actually, what started all this was a concern expressed
for the POW's, and that bothered me because I had
just watched a special reminding me of what all had
been done to the people of Iraq (by the regime and
those who supported and worked for the regime,
icluding some of these POWs).  And because I have
no reason to think they will not be treated well.
The Iraqi soldiers who were hurt in the field were
cared for by our army doctors, as were the local people,
inasmuch as they could be, as shown in pictures on TV.

It had nothing to do with our service people.

But Alyce, bless her heart, didn't mean to offend.
In fact, Alyce is very fair in her comments and she
is usually speaking for what she is for rather than
speaking against what she is against.

                       - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> But I think you have no idea the quantity and bitterness
> of your constant comments. One just gets tired of it.

No, I don't.  My estimate is that what I say on Words-L is far less in
quantity or bitterness than what I hear every day.  It's good that you
don't live in Starkville, Mississippi.  You would be majorly weary.

> I cannot believe that all our current problems are the
> result of Republican thinking/actions.  That's a simple
> answer for a very complicated world situation.

And I don't think I've ever said that all of our current problems are
the result of Republican thinking/action.  You are putting words into my
mouth there.  I don't think that much of anything I've said about the
war has named political parties.  I do remember saying that Clinton was
a hawk.  Bombs over Kosovo and all that.

> It
> bothers me that you write on the list and blame all
> the problems on Bush/Republicans,

???  I blame the current problems on Bush/Republicans.  And I do believe
that Republicans routinely get us into big problems.  But I don't blame
*all* problems on Republicans.

> for all the world
> to read, certainly making it sound as if there is
> something terribly wrong here.  Not everyone
> would agree with that.

I'm getting this idea again that you are in favor of suppressed speech.
I certainly hope that all the world knows that that is not how this
country works.  I would like to blast that to the rooftops as long as
it's possible to do so -- before the kind of country you seem to want
takes total control and we can't speak out.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> And there you go.  No more vodka for me tonight.  Wouldn't
> want you all to know how deeply religious I really am.

Thanks for the answer.  And so am I, btw.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Doris Markland wrote:

> I don't remember hearing criticism come from Rita
> through this war, in fact, and I have nothing to
> criticize about her postings.

I'm ROFL.  Wouldn't be so much if Rita hadn't been used as an example in
another thread not long ago as one who doesn't say anything
inflammatory.  If I didn't have other things I need to do with that time
instead, I would be mightily tempted to do some research of the archives
re Rita's inflammatory comments in that other thread (which I can't
remember) and Rita's comments about this war.

NB Rita:  I am not holding against you these weird comments about your
views and list behavior.  I just find them funny.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > > Because Doris says Heil Dubya!
> > Oh for chrissake Natalie.  I call this worse than anything Doris has said
> > (so far).
>
> Why?  Doris seemed to be suggesting that it was <wrong> to criticize the
> President.  It is not <wrong> in the world I live in.  It is in fact
> considered <right> to speak out if one has criticisms to voice.

Dragging in the Nazi reference.  I think that stinks.  Hey, call me
sensitive!

I'd rather read Theo, though.

Ann

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


>
> NB Rita:  I am not holding against you these weird comments about your
> views and list behavior.  I just find them funny.
>



        Me, too.  I'm not sure where I got this great reputation as
an innocent, but I do enjoy it.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>
>>>>Because Doris says Heil Dubya!
>>>>
>>>Oh for chrissake Natalie.  I call this worse than anything Doris has said
>>>(so far).
>>>
>>Why?  Doris seemed to be suggesting that it was <wrong> to criticize the
>>President.  It is not <wrong> in the world I live in.  It is in fact
>>considered <right> to speak out if one has criticisms to voice.
>>
>
> Dragging in the Nazi reference.  I think that stinks.  Hey, call me
> sensitive!
>


        Oh, that's just Godwin's Law in action.  Nothing strange
about that.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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> And I don't think I've ever said that all of our current problems are
> the result of Republican thinking/action.

You don't have to say it.  It comes through constantly.


> I'm getting this idea again that you are in favor of suppressed
speech.

Not at all.  Just yours . . . at times.

But now you may proceed.  Talk away, for or against
anything you wish.  I don't really think it will accomplish
much, but if it makes you feel better do it.

              - D. M.


>> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Actually, what started all this was a concern expressed
> for the POW's,

If you're talking about treatment of POWs, then I don't know how you
dragged me into the discussion.  I've said nothing on that topic.  All I
know about it is what I've read in the news about how our now-released
POWs seemed to be healthy and not mistreated.

I did ask an idle-curiosity question that I've had for a good while
about logistics:  where did we put all those POWs in the early part of
the war.  That had nothing to do with worry about their treatment.  I
was simply curious from the pov of wondering how that would be managed
when romping through the desert -- like where would you put these
people.

> The Iraqi soldiers who were hurt in the field were
> cared for by our army doctors, as were the local people,
> inasmuch as they could be, as shown in pictures on TV.

You don't even have to watch electric teevee to know that.

> It had nothing to do with our service people.

It's been pretty clear from the news that both the US-held POWs and the
Iraqi-held POWs have been treated well.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> I'd rather read Theo, though.

Does your mail system not tell you the name of the poster?  I'd hate
that.  Building official killfiles is too much trouble.  I much prefer
the delete key.

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > And I don't think I've ever said that all of our current problems are
> > the result of Republican thinking/action.
>
> You don't have to say it.  It comes through constantly.

Uh huh.  Iirc, I've even quoted Republicans on Words-L in recent months
with words of wisdom.  Would have to check the archives for the
specifics, but I'm pretty sure I quoted Teddy Roosevelt not long ago.
And I know I've quoted Lincoln.

> > I'm getting this idea again that you are in favor of suppressed
> speech.
>
> Not at all.  Just yours . . . at times.

Yep.  As I said...

> But now you may proceed.  Talk away, for or against
> anything you wish.  I don't really think it will accomplish
> much, but if it makes you feel better do it.

Yes, it does make me feel better.  It makes me feel that I'm living in
the country that I think I'm living in.  I'm not sure I want to live in
the country that you seem to want this country to turn into.  I prefer
liberty, free speech, etc.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> Yes, it does make me feel better.  It makes me feel that I'm living in
> the country that I think I'm living in.  I'm not sure I want to live
in
> the country that you seem to want this country to turn into.  I prefer
> liberty, free speech, etc.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Natalie, quite obviously we are both free to express
ourselves at will, and I've not noticed any restrictions
for either of us.  I may wish you wouldn't say certain
things in the way you do but I would not take away
your right to speak your opinions.

But anyway, this is all very tiresome for the list, so
I'm going to watch some TV and then climb UP into
my new bed.

                 - D. M.

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This is only the second time in my life, iirc, that I've ever turned the
computer back on after turning it off for the night.  But I turned it
off and was sitting out on my decklet and suddenly became really, really
po'ed.  As I think I've said before, in my ftf life I am never thought
of as mutant, I never feel paranoid, etc. etc.  Words-L is an odd world
for me.

My point in turning the computer back on was paranoia.  I was thinking
about what Doris said about how Rita had never said anything negative
about the war while I had.  GET THIS DORIS:  RITA CALLED YOUR SON A
FUCKING MURDERER.  I did not.  I not only didn't say that, I have never
even thought that.  But Little Ms Rita is all sunshine and light, and I
am somehow the villain.  I am sitting here wondering why I put up with
this shit.  I don't know the answer to that, though I know that I will
continue to.  I do, however, want an answer about why you think it's ok
for Rita to call your son a murderer when it's not ok for me to say
simply that I'm against the war.

RSVP.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Doris Markland wrote:
> What was the diagnosis?  A flu?
>
They suspect something bacterial, but are confused because he did not
vomit. Tests will show, but he prolly will be well by then.

alyce

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> My point in turning the computer back on was paranoia.  I was thinking
> about what Doris said about how Rita had never said anything negative
> about the war while I had.  GET THIS DORIS:  RITA CALLED YOUR SON A
> FUCKING MURDERER.  I did not.  I not only didn't say that, I have
never
> even thought that.  But Little Ms Rita is all sunshine and light, and
I
> am somehow the villain.  I am sitting here wondering why I put up with
> this shit.  I don't know the answer to that, though I know that I will
> continue to.  I do, however, want an answer about why you think it's
ok
> for Rita to call your son a murderer when it's not ok for me to say
> simply that I'm against the war.
>
> RSVP.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

The answer is simple. Didn't apply. He's been in the
service for almost 20 years and never murdered anyone
yet.
               - D. M.

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> Doris Markland wrote:
> > What was the diagnosis?  A flu?
> >
> They suspect something bacterial, but are confused because he did not
> vomit. Tests will show, but he prolly will be well by then.
>
> alyce

We'll hope so.

      - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> We'll hope so.

Thanks. Because if he is not better by Monday, I wouldn't want to be on
the plane with him, especially if it had to sit for long on the runway.

alyce
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At 07:44 PM 4/19/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>Meanwhile, with all due respect, I am afraid
>you and a few others on this list are very
>much not on our side but on another's.
>          - D. M.

?? I'm stunned that you could think that of anyone on this list.

Betty

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At 11:46 PM 4/19/2003 -0400, alyce cresap wrote:
>Doris Markland wrote:
> > What was the diagnosis?  A flu?
> >
>They suspect something bacterial, but are confused because he did not
>vomit. Tests will show, but he prolly will be well by then.
>
>alyce

Oh, I hope so.  Poor thing. I'm sorry for both of you that he got sick.

Betty

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Betty wrote:
 I'm sorry for both of you that he got sick.
>
Yep, too bad. We had just five days with lots that needed to be done,
but it won't be, dang it.

alyce

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About the war:

>Lots of people have said negative things. You do probably mention
>"republicans" more than anyone else on this list even though it  isn't
>about anything concerning the war most of the time.  That may be because
>of your brother. I don't know, but I think Doris takes negatiave
>republican talk personally sometimes.

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At 12:32 AM 4/20/2003 -0400, alyce cresap wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>  I'm sorry for both of you that he got sick.
> >
>Yep, too bad. We had just five days with lots that needed to be done,
>but it won't be, dang it.

He'll be back, right?

Betty

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At 08:47 PM 4/18/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>remember now what exactly it said except that something about trailer
>>parks was mentioned, since I think that's back with Giggles was talking
>>about trailer parks.       -- Natalie
>
>I thought about you, Natalie, last time I did the ironing.  I turned on the
>overhead light in the middle of my living room and felt very trailerparkish.

Were you snapping your gum, wearing a robe and fuzzy slippers?

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02003-04-19 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > 02003-04-19 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > > It shows Sadaam's palaces and tells about
> > > lots of what he had going for him.  78 palaces!
> > > In each three lavish meals were prepared each
> > > day, since no one knew where he would be.
> > > This, while his people were starving.  Scenes
> > > from these palaces were absolutely breathtaking.
> > > The extravagance was beyond description.
> > > To say nothing of the extravagance of his
> > > neer-do-well son.
> >
> > Time to change my opinion of Saddam. Maybe he was kind of a
> > bad guy after all.
>
> Oh, you are so subtle, Tushar.
> Clever!  How did you think of that response?

It just followed logically.

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Alan,

I don't have any specific knowledge besides what I found through Google,
and harbor no animosity towards the LDS; I've had a couple close personal
friends who are Mormons, and I know they're good folks.

Here are a few web pages I got through Google that might help give some
background:

<http://www.exmormon.org/whylft113.htm>
<http://www.mormonalliance.org/>
<http://www.latterdaylampoon.com/foyer/security/>

If you're worried that your packets will be sniffed, remember to use a
public Internet terminal at the library or something. ;-)

Pete

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> At 07:44 PM 4/19/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> >Meanwhile, with all due respect, I am afraid
> >you and a few others on this list are very
> >much not on our side but on another's.
> >          - D. M.
>
> ?? I'm stunned that you could think that of anyone on this list.
>
> Betty

I don't.  I think everyone wants to win the war, since
we're in it, because the alternative is unthinkable.

But if this should somehow eventually bring not world
disaster but a new step toward peace and human rights
it could require quite an adjustment in thinking on the
part of some individuals and some countries.  It's
going to take time, but if we get to something good I
don't care who was dumb or smart, right or wrong in
the early arguments.  Time will tell.

                      - D. M.

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Did Jim ever come to visit?  Was he cute?

Probably but I never saw him.  I think he was pretty OLD, like in his
30's.  To me, old men weren't cute.  Sexy maybe, interesting maybe but not
CUTE.

Ann

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> > Still I'd like opinions on the completely frameless
> > lens, and on the Transitions lens.
>
> I like mine ok.

oops forget my opinion I don't have Transitions lens, just some kind of
half-assed smoked effect, makes me look like a German anthropologist.

Ann

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> At 12:15 PM 4/19/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> >Someone told me that they are less stable on your
> >face.  One gal said she had to keep fooling with
> >them to get them positioned just where the correction
> >works.
>
> Don't understand that one.  Mine feel very stable. She must have been
old.

I'd guess her at 23.  She was a clerk in
the eyeglass department.

          - D. M.

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>Yet many came to your graduation.  I didn't know that. I wonder if they
>will come to your funeral?     --B

I don't plan on having a funeral.  In any case, my parents are now dead
and, very likely, my siblings will be long dead when I die because they are
17, 16, and 14 years older than I am.


    --bonniev

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Doris Markland:
= > How often do you get new glasses?  Get what you want.
= >
= > Betty
=
= That is my problem.  I don't know what I
= want.
=
=               - D. M.

It's been a long time since I had automatic darkening lenses.
What eventually annoyed me the most about them is that they
yellow with age.  I found the tint really annoying at some point
and never got them again.

The last pair of glasses I got has a half frame on top, basic
no-frill lenses except for glare reduction.  And for the first
time ever, I got a pair of prescription sunglasses.  I don't know
what made me wait so long.  They're wonderful.  Probably next
time I will go for more expensive sunglass lenses.  The ones I
have now are brown, and I think I really prefer the black.  But
they're much more expensive.

As for a look, I would rather have something along the line of
full size reading glasses - a full size lens but with half a
frame along the bottom instead of the top.  My eyebrows are
really close to my eyes and they get wiped out a bit.

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Sylvia Edwards:
= I like my Transitions very much. I've had this effect on my glasses for
= years.  I decided I was too rough on glasses to go frameless.  I still
= have traditional trifocals.
=

I was pretty rough on my glasses, but the big thing that really
helped was to consciously never put them where someone might sit
down.

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, whimsy wrote:

>= http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2317295744&category=10034

>I resemble these people.  But I have better taste in furniture.
>And more books and records and cd's.  And more clothing.  And way
>more garden stuff.

If I had already bought a condo, I could buy their stuff and furnish it.

I have always thought it would be wonderful to move, leaving behind all
one's furniture and acquring new furniture for the new place.

Bethany

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> I like my Transitions very much. I've had this effect on my glasses
for
> years.  I decided I was too rough on glasses to go frameless.  I still
> have traditional trifocals.
>
> --
> Sylvia Edwards

Thanks, sylvia.

     - D. M.

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> The fees at Hamilton House are lower than I anticipated ... I will
> complete my pre-approval process with the UT Credit Union before I
<look>.
>
> Bethany

The place sounds pretty interesting.
I'd love to go looking for condos.  Fun!

                - D. M.

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At 04:19 PM 4/19/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>The fees at Hamilton House are lower than I anticipated ... I will
>complete my pre-approval process with the UT Credit Union before I <look>.

What are the fees?  You've told us everything else.  I would hate
fees.  They can be raised very easily year after year.

B

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At 02:43 PM 4/19/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:


>Get a clue ...

screw it.  Have a nice life.

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> >
> > What happens to me at home
>
> I like it.  It sounds <full and lively>.  One thing I don't understand,
> though, is about the christening.  I thought christenings occurred at
> churches during church services.
>
> --

Phew, it's over. Complete with 3 verses of "Take it to the Lord in Prayer"
(my son's comment - hey, that's the song in Blazing Saddles!)

and a cleverly casual plan to get together for breakfast tomorrow, with a
toe-studying rider about going on to the Easter service afterwards...

luckily, I'm allergic to hymnals and can't enter churches any more.

It was pretty amazing. Only 17 people (small for us); but 5 grandchildren
under the age of 8 and no fights, very pleasant. I like that my family can
be disorganized and spontaneous and make it come out right.

clo

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>
> > Betty, you gotta go back.  And the rest of you
> > remember the offer I made.
>
>
> We've discussed a Hawaii vacation in the next year or so,
> but the dates you gave don't work for those of us tied to a
> school schedule.
>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Understandable.  But on some other date I may
may still be able to get you a good deal.    Depends
upon whether business picks up.  It's been pretty
lean since 9/11, and tourism is now the main
industry of Hawaii.

            - D. M.

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On 19 Apr 2003 at 17:03, Doris Markland wrote:

> mem, you will appreciate, however, that we are not
> fee simple and have been trying for some time to
> buy the land we sit on from Queen Liliouokanlani
> Estate, without success.

That, of course, is a different kind of situation. Not just an
ongoing process but a very complicated, messy process. Unenviable.
Good luck.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Do I want to get Transitions . . that turn
> dark when you go out in the sun?  I guess they
> have improved those tremendously, and the
> eye doctors are recommending them.

I shouldn't even be replying since I bet by now you've gotten the scoop
from lots of people (while I've been accomplishing lots of non-computer
things) and since I haven't tried anything <new> in years and years.  I
did have a pair of those turn-darker-when-you-go-outside glasses a long
time ago -- when they were a fairly new concept, I think.  I found them
ok for certain situations, like playing tennis on a day when there was
some sunshine but not too much.  But for the most part I didn't like
them -- they were slightly murky indoors and not dark enough in bright
sun.  As you say, however, they have surely improved by now.  This was
many, many years ago.

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> On 19 Apr 2003 at 17:03, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > mem, you will appreciate, however, that we are not
> > fee simple and have been trying for some time to
> > buy the land we sit on from Queen Liliouokanlani
> > Estate, without success.
>
> That, of course, is a different kind of situation. Not just an
> ongoing process but a very complicated, messy process. Unenviable.
> Good luck.

Mahalo.  Btw my misspelling of the Queen's name
was a typo.

                        - D. M.

   -Kamanalani

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whimsy wrote:
>
> Tushar Samant:

> = My god, that's the most infantile and zero-personality CRAP I have
> = ever seen costing $40,000! This is an "average home"?

I haven't seen Tushar's original yet.  But my quick scan through their
offerings made me think that their intro about "good stuff" or "nice
things" or whatever they said was pretty funny.  Then again, people have
different tastes.

> They're young yet.  They've been working hard.  They cleaned
> everything up so they could take nice photos.  And they're not
> selling their photographs and yearbooks.  And they threw out
> everything that wasn't in good shape.

I find what they're doing admirable.  It's just that I found their
description of living the "good life" and buying "good stuff" kind of
funny when I started looking at the pictures, which I zoomed through
very quickly since it all looked quite boring.  And where were the
books?  Maybe they're keeping them.

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Yesterday he woke up with bad indigestion and slight fever. Today he
> woke up with terrible diarrhea that has lasted all day. He has been in
> bed two whole days. Just now his temp is 102, so I have sent him to the
> ER. So I am along and my nurse is the sick one. 8-{
>
> I hope they can fix him and that I don't get whatever it is.
>
> Fraught with fear, pity, etc.

I didn't realize that Doug had arrived.  I can understand your being
fraught with fear, pity, etc.  It is distressing when one's nurse is the
sick one, especially when he's also your son.  But I am confident that
they are going to fix him quickly and that you are going to be fine.  My
gut speaks, and it always speaks truth!  Not only that, but all of the
Wordsler vibes pouring through the air to Germantown will for sure make
things ok!

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Doris Markland wrote:
> Bless his heart.  And please worry equally.
>
Well, for heaven's sake, Doris, don't you think I've been worried about
him and all the others for a long time, long before this latest
incursion began? If you have missed this, you have a reading
comprehension problem. Concern about mothers' sons is very much on my
mind, and is largely why I am opposed to war. I don't want to stir up
old waters again, but your post seems to suggest that I am unpatriotic
and unsympathetic to the troops and their travails. And that astounds
me. I really am sorry about his discomfort and the danger in which he
lives every day. I am sorry that his commander has placed him there and
hope he is brought back, like, yesterday.

As for the Iraqi POWs, I'd like to see some account, some picture, some
something about their care and comfort, for I have seen none except
early on, which scenes were not very encouraging. I may try to Google
for some, but I have not had much time for computering today.

alyce

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02003-04-19 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> It shows Sadaam's palaces and tells about
> lots of what he had going for him.  78 palaces!
> In each three lavish meals were prepared each
> day, since no one knew where he would be.
> This, while his people were starving.  Scenes
> from these palaces were absolutely breathtaking.
> The extravagance was beyond description.
> To say nothing of the extravagance of his
> neer-do-well son.

Time to change my opinion of Saddam. Maybe he was kind of a
bad guy after all.

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> > besides, I am more obnoxious than that - I'm a T.O.
>
> Please save me the time of thinking that
> through.   What is a T. O.?
>
>               - D. M.
>
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clo

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Natalie Maynor" <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >  He's not a monster.
> > He does not complain.  He has been writing to
> > ask about our health and our concerns.
> > Bless his heart.  And please worry equally.
>
> I find it amazing beyond words that you would feel the need to say
"he's
> not a monster."  Do you really think that those of us who are anti-war
> think that people like your son are monsters?  I'm flabergasted.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Mike's (my agent) one-bedroom was $195 - and his electricity bill ran
>> about $15.
>
>Even though I've said at various times before that electricity in
>Knoxville is almost free, I still find this totally amazing.  It wasn't
>*that* almost free when I lived there.

Did you heat with gas?

Bethany

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> On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> > > besides, I am more obnoxious than that - I'm a T.O.
> >
> > Please save me the time of thinking that
> > through.   What is a T. O.?
> >
> >               - D. M.
> >
> Theological Offspring
> clo

Same thing.

    - D. M.

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>
> Are you drinking again tonight, Doris?  Are you going to apologize in
the
> morning like you did last time?  I find your post above, to Alyce and
> Natalie, extremely offensive.  To be on the side of suffering humanity
is
> not to be against "our" side.
>
>
>     --bonniev

Wording is everything.  Especially for words-l.

I'm sorry that you found my post offensive and didn't
find some of their many posts not offensive.

Strange.

               - D. M.

            - D. M.

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Correction:

> Wording is everything.  Especially for words-l.
>
> I'm sorry that you found my post offensive and didn't
> find some of their many posts offensive.
>
> Strange.
>
>                - D. M.
>
>             - D. M.
>

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Meanwhile, with all due respect, I am afraid
> you and a few others on this list are very
> much not on our side but on another's.

Talk about bullshit!  I am again flabergasted.  I have read/heard that
there are people in this country who think that way -- that if you are
against the war, you are for Saddam -- or in an even stupider version,
if you are against the war, you think it was just fine that the 9/11
terrorists did what they did.

My mind is reeling right now, though, because I would never in a
thousand years have thought Doris was that stupid.  I have always
admired Doris for being an intelligent, thinking person.  I feel really
down right now.  Disillusionment is painful.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>
> I am disillusioned beyond words.  Doris was one of my heroes.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


Sorry about that.

It's not what you say, Natalie.
It's how you say it.

         - D. M.

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
>>Spring in Tulsa often means tornadoes.
>>
>
> Here also.  Tornado watches are routine in spring (generally speaking --
> I think February is our major month re tornadoes).  And we have a fair
> number of tornado warnings, which are of course far more <significant>
> than watches.  But that does not keep me from loving spring.
>


        Yes, we're stocked up on flashlight batteries and candles
(and old wine bottles for the candles) since this is the
time of year the electricity often goes out.  We're supposed
to be getting a humdinger after midnight tonight.  I hope
the Easter Bunny finishes his rounds early!



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Alan Wild wrote:

> At the risk of sounding seriously histrionic, do the Mormons have a "secret
> police" within their ranks... do they engage in sheltering of their flock to
> the extent that they do Watergate types of activities?
>
> 'Alan
>

In the past, they did. It's an intriguing question. Why?
clo

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > luckily, I'm allergic to hymnals and can't enter churches any more.
>
> Are there still sunrise services on Easter?  I remember those from
> childhood, even though my family didn't go to them -- we went on to the
> regular services, but I haven't heard about them in a long time.  They
> were always outside -- in a stadium.

Yes, they are still held. My dad was a rural pastor, so the ones I'm
familiar with are in fields or wooded hillsides.

clo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:
>
>
>>>Why shouldn't I criticize the president?
>>>--
>>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>>
>>You are free to criticize.  The timing of
>>your criticism is a matter of conscience.
>>
>
> What does that mean?  Your wording suggests to me that you think there's
> something amiss about Rita's conscience, though I may be
> misinterpreting, which is why I'm asking for clarification.


        Don't worry about it, Natalie.  That sort of thing is between
God and me, and I'm not too worried about the opinions of
those not privy to our conversations.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Doris Markland wrote:

>>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Why shouldn't I criticize the president?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Because Doris says Heil Dubya!  As I think I said a little while
>>>
> ago,
>
>>>she and I have very different views about what this country is all
>>>about.  My country that I love and try to do everything I can for is
>>>
> not
>
>>>one that forbids or even discourages criticizing the president.  I
>>>
> find
>
>>>the idea of discouraging speaking out for what one sees as right
>>>extremely scary.  Doris obviously disagrees.  Makes me wonder why
>>>
> she
>
>>>likes living in this kind of country.  I think she would be happier
>>>living in a different kind of country.
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>
>>        No, I think Doris is a scared and hurting mom.
>>
>
> Sounds good and thank you.  Hurting but not from
> fear.  It's just not smart to stir up a mama lion (Leo).
> Know what I mean?  :-)
>                                   - D. M.


        Oh, yes.  I know alllllll about the mama lion thing, even if
I'm a Gemini/Cancer.  I'd be afraid for Ana if she were
there.  I remember being afraid for my brother the last time.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Doris Markland wrote:
> > I find it stupid for you to think that being anti-war is being
> > anti-American.  If you can explain to me why being anti-war is being
> > anti-American, I will retract whatever I said about stupidity.  To me,
> > being anti-war is being PRO-American.
>
> Then I must stay stupid.  I don't remember what
> you said.  Or how many times you said it.  Nothing
> good, that I remember.  Just negative stuff.
> I am anti-war too, but never found a place to
> put the blame quite so specifically as you did.
> But then I'm stupid, and I admit it.

That didn't answer the question above.  I asked for you to explain why
being anti-war is being anti-American.  I didn't ask for you to remember
what I said or how many times I said it.  My simple question was stated
above:  why do you think that being anti-war is being anti-American?
That's a question independent of what anybody has or hasn't said or what
you do or don't remember.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> Is there anything we can do?

All is OK now. I am fine for awhile without a nurse. I am still
ambulatory, if slow. I have Bonnie-type power bars to eat, etc. There
are neighbors. It is just easier and nicer to have people around in
case...

alyce

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Betty wrote:
> He'll be back, right?

Well, it is to be hoped in late May. But we do not know how many ticks
the clock has left and some of our tasks are/were time sensitive
(banking/working days, etc.).

alyce

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Meanwhile, with all due respect, I am afraid
> >you and a few others on this list are very
> >much not on our side but on another's.
> >          - D. M.
>
> Are you drinking again tonight, Doris?  Are you going to apologize in the
> morning like you did last time?  I find your post above, to Alyce and
> Natalie, extremely offensive.  To be on the side of suffering humanity is
> not to be against "our" side.
>
My comprehension must be awful.  When I read Doris' post about the tents
for our troops, my thought was Gee, the troops have it bad.  Why
wouldn't the POWs have it bad too?  IF someone finds pictures of the
POWs in the desert, I hope the URL is shared.

I consider our troops to be part of the suffering humanity and "side"
doesn't matter where the suffering is concerned.



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Sylvia Edwards
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Natalie Maynor wrote:
 comprehension problem.
>
> I was too amazed by Doris's statement about thinking her son was a
> "monster" to go on with what I was going to say.  I also wasn't sure
> what "please worry equally" meant.

I read this, "please worry equally," as a request for all of us to worry
about the soldiers and the POWs equally.

 Whereas, Wordslers may not consider the soldiers who are doing a
thankless job as monsters, some do.  War is monstrous, monstrous things
are done in a war, monstrous things happen during a war.  As a result
some conclude that those participating in the war are monsters..

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Meanwhile, with all due respect, I am afraid
> > you and a few others on this list are very
> > much not on our side but on another's.
>
> Talk about bullshit!  I am again flabergasted.  I have read/heard that
> there are people in this country who think that way -- that if you are
> against the war, you are for Saddam -- or in an even stupider version,
> if you are against the war, you think it was just fine that the 9/11
> terrorists did what they did.
>
> My mind is reeling right now, though, because I would never in a
> thousand years have thought Doris was that stupid.  I have always
> admired Doris for being an intelligent, thinking person.  I feel really
> down right now.  Disillusionment is painful.

Why do you conclude that the thoughts you list above apply to Doris?
For weeks now, anything she's said has been put down by someone on this
list. Nothing she's said indicates her opinions about support for Saddam
or acceptance of 9/11.

Tonight, you Natalie did it when she suggested we watch the CNN program.
 You're doing it again in this thread.  But I'm not flabbergasted by
your responses.  I expect such comments from you.

--
Sylvia Edwards
 who has also been called stupid by the mutant

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Doris Markland wrote:
> > > >  He's not a monster.
> > > > He does not complain.  He has been writing to
> > > > ask about our health and our concerns.
> > > > Bless his heart.  And please worry equally.
> > >
> > > I find it amazing beyond words that you would feel the need to say
> > "he's
> > > not a monster."  Do you really think that those of us who are anti-war
> > > think that people like your son are monsters?  I'm flabergasted.
> >
> > As I have been flabergasted by some of
> > your ridiculous posts.
>
> I would ask for a cite of one of my ridiculous posts, but I have just
> realized that we indeed inhabit totally alien planets.  I am appalled
> that you think I don't care about the U.S. troops.  I hadn't fully
> realized that what Alyce said about you was true -- that you think that
> being anti-war means being anti-American or unpatriotic.  I find your
> attitude disgusting beyond words, and I feel that you haven't a clue
> about what this country is really all about.
>
> I am disillusioned beyond words.  Doris was one of my heroes.

She's still one of mine.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> > Why shouldn't I criticize the president?
>
> Because Doris says Heil Dubya!  As I think I said a little while ago,
> she and I have very different views about what this country is all
> about.  My country that I love and try to do everything I can for is not
> one that forbids or even discourages criticizing the president.  I find
> the idea of discouraging speaking out for what one sees as right
> extremely scary.  Doris obviously disagrees.  Makes me wonder why she
> likes living in this kind of country.  I think she would be happier
> living in a different kind of country.
>

Gee, and I got in trouble for wondering what different country you'd
pick.
One of the paradoxical outcomes of this war has been for the first time
in decades, the Iraqi people can make public protests.  Why can they do
that today, but not a month ago?

We have the glorious freedom to protest and have had it for many
generations.  We take it for granted, but some seem to forget that if
you do protest, you must face the consequences in the court of public
opinion.  Natalie, can sing anti-war songs until she's blue in the face
and I have every right to find her actions offensive, unproductive and
disruptive.  What good does all the bitching do?  What good does nipping
at Doris do?  What good does my responding to you do? NONE.

BUT such sniping can do great damage to friendships....

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= >
= > What would you show me from your house that has more personality?
=
= Give me $40,000 first!

LAME

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Most recent I could find from today's Washington Post.
> That Geneva Convention keeps getting in the way, it looks like.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53487-2003Apr18.html
>
> Options on Handling of Iraqi POWs Considered. Geneva Conventions May
> Complicate U.S. Trial Plans.
> ----------
> There are several hits for Iraqi POW camps if anyone cares.

I care, but I couldn't/wouldn't read the washington post article because
I don't want to register to do it.  Could you backchannel the hits to
me, please?  Thanks.
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19:49 18.04.2003 +0300 skrev Kristin Sarv:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>> "Minted Pea Salad":  fresh or frozen English peas, mayonnaise, sour
>> cream, sliced green onions, minced fresh mint, Dijon mustard, salt,
>> white pepper.
>
>Seized by an inspiration I once added mint to chicken. Well, the family
>consented to eat it... amazed expression on their faces. I dared not to do it
>ever since. In my opinion it was not all that bad. Perhaps next time (but the
>first and only one was years ago) when I cannot resist the idea I should think
>of other herbs or spices together with mint to balance the thing. Mustard, yes,
>maybe green pepper or something, I do not know. When the inspiration is there I
>just smell the boxes of different spices and add what seems right.

We made an Easter leg of lamb yesterday - rubbing it with Provence spices (lots of rosmary), crushed garlic + some whole cloves stuck in here and there, fresh ground black pepper, olive oil, some fresh lemon juice and a little Japanese soy sauce for salt. It was delicious and with the potato slices in cream which we also made in the oven this was a great first test for our new oven. We didn't use mint though.

Espen

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23:01 18.04.2003 -0400 skrev alyce cresap:
>Brad wrote
>> you are a great bookseller, and I am in your debt.
>> Also a great person.  I attest it.
>
>Takk,

Let me add a "Tusen takk" to Alyce for the 3-D puzzle she mailed us - my children and I had never seen one before and enjoyed it very much!

Espen

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01:30 19.04.2003 -0500 skrev Tushar Samant:

>> [continued]
>> While it is the Asian and obscure linguistic groups that seem to come
>> up with the most "powerful" ideas, German wins for packing a whole
>> sentence's worth of meaning into one (albeit long) word. How much
>> happier Strunk and White would rest if we could just say Torschlüsspanik
>> when discussing "the frantic anxiety experienced by unmarried women as
>> they race against the 'biological clock'"; Treppenwitz when referring
>> to the "clever remark that comes to mind when it is too late to utter
>> it"; and Schlimmbesserung when lamenting "a so-called improvement that
>> makes things worse." --Jane Steinberg
>
>Anyway, I hope to find a word for stupid bobo humor fostered in places
>like the Atlantic office.

Another good one from German is Biertischbesserweisserei.

Espen

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02:43 19.04.2003 -0500 skrev Tushar Samant:
>>>> Mamihlapinatapei
>
>Well looks like there is a lot of confusion about the word
>on the web at least, and the confidence in every statement
>is exactly as high as you can expect from this. Sad, but I
>kind of knew that ... anyhow I would REALLY like to know
>what this book is about (hit #1 on google):
><http://www.yu4you.com/artikal.php?vrsta=7&id=2625&lang=sr>
>Anybody got a clue? Isn't Serbian pretty much a dialect of
>(drum roll ... ) Russian?

I get an error message from MySQL-server at this place, but as far as I remember on an easter morning and without checking it, Serbian belongs to to the South Slavic languages along with Croat, Slovenian (I believe), Macedon, Bosnian (in Montenegro the language is either Serbian or extrremely close to it) and then I am not sure about Bulgarian but believe it comes in here as well. Russian is East Slavic, I believe with Ukrainian and White Russian (and maybe Bulgarian here?).

Espen

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
>> And of course I am including all utilities. To say that $15 a month is
>> cheap when you don't know or don't specify what it pays for seems ...
>> tentative.
>
>Huh?  You said quite specifically that it was for electricity.

But I did not say that it paid for heat.

Bethany

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>>I thought about you, Natalie, last time I did the ironing.  I turned on the
>>overhead light in the middle of my living room and felt very trailerparkish.
>
>Were you snapping your gum, wearing a robe and fuzzy slippers?

No, I didn't go that far.  I did do an impulsive purchase, though.  Is that
trailerparkish?  I only iron about once a month.  This time I realized that
my 20+ year old iron didn't work.  So I drove off immediately and bought a
new, cheapy one at the local hardware store.  That's probably $17 wasted
although it got me through the day.  Next time I'm in Bangor I'll go to
Bed, Bath, and Beyond and buy a decent one.


    --bonniev

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>But if this should somehow eventually bring not world
>disaster but a new step toward peace and human rights
>it could require quite an adjustment in thinking on the
>part of some individuals and some countries.
>                       - D. M.

You got that right.  I would be utterly, totally stunned and
amazed.  Already they are demonstrating in the streets of Bagdad, telling
us to go home and leave them alone.  Already the Kurds are swarming back
into their homes, executing vengeance killings.  If our kicking the shit
out of Iraq brought stability and peace to the Middle East it would indeed
be a miracle.   And I would acknowledge that I had been a pessimist.

Speaking of acknowledging when one is wrong, let me say this to
Alyce.   Alyce, when Bush was elected you said you were very afraid and
thought this would be a disaster on a scale hitherto unknown.   I thought
you were exaggerating and thought the country had survived other bad
administrations without too much peril.  Well, I'm here to admit that I was
wrong and you were right.


    --bonniev

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I persevered and finished the Virginia Woolf book with the overly-long,
overly-flowery sentence that I posted.  I'm glad I read it.  It had some
worthwhile moments.  I also read The Hours recently.  It was interesting to
see how the two books relate.

Now I'm reading a Saul Bellow book for the first time in a long time.  I
used to love him.

    --bonniev

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Doris Markland wrote:

> The answer is simple. Didn't apply. He's been in the
> service for almost 20 years and never murdered anyone
> yet.

Thank you for replying.  So it was ok for Rita to call his co-workers
murderers.  I see.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Betty wrote:
>
> About the war:
>
> >Lots of people have said negative things. You do probably mention
> >"republicans" more than anyone else on this list even though it  isn't
> >about anything concerning the war most of the time.  That may be because
> >of your brother. I don't know, but I think Doris takes negatiave
> >republican talk personally sometimes.

I'm confused by your >'s.  Who is saying this?  Re talking about
Republicans, it isn't about my RRB -- we've talked before about why I
use the R label when referring to him.  I think I mentioned last night
that I am far less anti-Republican than most of the people in my ftf
world are.  If y'all think I'm anti-R, you'd be truly amazed by my ftf
friends and colleagues.  They think it's amazing that I will admit
having voted for Republicans on occasion, several times for Thad Cochran
to name one example.  Most of the people I'm around regularly are Yellow
Dogs.  I'm not.

But the main point is that this current discussion is not about
political parties.  It's about the war.  I don't know what Gore would
have done -- my guess is that he would have gone after the Taliban in
the same way Dubya did but would not have invaded Iraq.  My guess is
that if Clinton had still been Pres, he would have done exactly what
Dubya has done, except perhaps for botching international PR as much.
The only place political parties and this war intersect for me is in
helping me decide who to be for in the next election (as in be for right
now in the leadup toward the election).  It was his views on the war
that first caught my attention re Howard Dean and that led me to examine
his other stances and to conclude that I'm for him.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Betty wrote:

> Were you snapping your gum, wearing a robe and fuzzy slippers?

And hair curlers?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> >
> > Is there anything we can do?
>
> All is OK now. I am fine for awhile without a nurse. I am still
> ambulatory, if slow. I have Bonnie-type power bars to eat, etc. There
> are neighbors. It is just easier and nicer to have people around in
> case...
>
> alyce
>

I agree. I'm sure your energy comes and goes, and there are moments when
you feel that small things are hard; at those moments, it's helpful to
have another person around. And then, when you do have energy, to have
someone to talk to and help makes jobs go faster (and be more fun).

Was Doug doing the cooking?

clo

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>
> bonniev wrote:
> >
> > >Meanwhile, with all due respect, I am afraid
> > >you and a few others on this list are very
> > >much not on our side but on another's.
> > >          - D. M.
> >
> > Are you drinking again tonight, Doris?  Are you going to apologize in the
> > morning like you did last time?  I find your post above, to Alyce and
> > Natalie, extremely offensive.  To be on the side of suffering humanity is
> > not to be against "our" side.
> >
> My comprehension must be awful.  When I read Doris' post about the tents
> for our troops, my thought was Gee, the troops have it bad.  Why
> wouldn't the POWs have it bad too?  IF someone finds pictures of the
> POWs in the desert, I hope the URL is shared.
>
> I consider our troops to be part of the suffering humanity and "side"
> doesn't matter where the suffering is concerned.

I agree totally.  And once again I'm wondering how my name managed to
get associated with this subthread re POWs.  Was my question out of
curiosity about the logistics of housing POWs while moving toward
Baghdad construed as implying something about good or bad treatment of
them?  That wasn't in my mind at all.  My question was one of simple
curiosity of the same kind I've had about things like whether opticians
are close around for our soldiers who wear glasses, etc.  Nothing
<controversial> or <argumentative>.

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> Why do you conclude that the thoughts you list above apply to Doris?
> For weeks now, anything she's said has been put down by someone on this
> list. Nothing she's said indicates her opinions about support for Saddam
> or acceptance of 9/11.

I conclude it because of this statement:

> > Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > > Meanwhile, with all due respect, I am afraid
> > > you and a few others on this list are very
> > > much not on our side but on another's.
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So what do you think that means if not "if you're against the war,
you're for the enemy"?

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At 02:02 AM 4/20/2003 -0500, Sylvia Edwards wrote:

>I consider our troops to be part of the suffering humanity and "side"
>doesn't matter where the suffering is concerned.

In light of that, I see where the seven American POWs are being returned to
Texas.  Really!  Haven't they already suffered enough?

cwv

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> > extremely scary.  Doris obviously disagrees.  Makes me wonder why she
> > likes living in this kind of country.  I think she would be happier
> > living in a different kind of country.
> >
>
> Gee, and I got in trouble for wondering what different country you'd
> pick.

You got it.  (Or do you think I simply stumbled onto the idea of Doris
being happier living in another country?)

> We have the glorious freedom to protest and have had it for many
> generations.  We take it for granted, but some seem to forget that if
> you do protest, you must face the consequences in the court of public
> opinion.

Maybe some people forget it.  Most anti-war people I know do not forget
that at all.

> Natalie, can sing anti-war songs until she's blue in the face
> and I have every right to find her actions offensive, unproductive and
> disruptive.  What good does all the bitching do?  What good does nipping
> at Doris do?  What good does my responding to you do? NONE.

What good??  See your "the glorious freedom" above.

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > Me too. Methodist, then Mormon. Not counting tent revivals.
> > Hence the allergy.
>
> What brand is your minister father?  At some point in earlier
> discussions, I thought Methodist, but I'm not sure.

yep. Methodist.
clo

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

> We made an Easter leg of lamb yesterday - rubbing it with Provence spices (lots of

I love lamb.  Am looking forward to heading to the lamb roast a few
hours from now.  I think I like the corn salad I made, although I think
the recipe called for too much onion.  I didn't use as much as called
for, and it still seems to have too much.  I'm still tasting the onion
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >Huh?  You said quite specifically that it was for electricity.
>
> But I did not say that it paid for heat.

?? I did not assume that it paid for heat.  I don't consider electric
heat the norm.  Gas heat is normal in my world.

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bonniev wrote:

> No, I didn't go that far.  I did do an impulsive purchase, though.  Is that
> trailerparkish?  I only iron about once a month.  This time I realized that
> my 20+ year old iron didn't work.  So I drove off immediately and bought a
> new, cheapy one at the local hardware store.  That's probably $17 wasted
> although it got me through the day.  Next time I'm in Bangor I'll go to
> Bed, Bath, and Beyond and buy a decent one.

I think I mentioned not long ago that I decided on a whim to buy a new
iron, my old one being scuzzy-bottomed and over forty years old.  The
new one was very cheap -- much less than $17, iirc, and I don't much
like it.  I should perhaps look for a better one (though I iron even
less than you do -- much less than once a month).

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> >
> > Me too. Methodist, then Mormon. Not counting tent revivals.
> > Hence the allergy.
>
>
>         Well, eventually I figured out where it all fits for me. Just
> took about 10 years.  No allergies.
>

My experience with organized religion is pretty - rich and varied, let us
say - and that TO insider view of the Secret Life of Churches was
certainly a contributing factor, since I learned very early that a lot of
arguments that purport to be about belief, fact, or procedure are
actually about personal needs for recognition, hurt feelings, and other
very ordinary human emotions.

 I, too, eventually found my right place - it's just not in a pew.
clo

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        Orlando is the only Virginia Woolf I've ever made it all the
way through.  I'm gonna give it another few years and try
her again.

bonniev wrote:

> I persevered and finished the Virginia Woolf book with the overly-long,
> overly-flowery sentence that I posted.  I'm glad I read it.  It had some
> worthwhile moments.  I also read The Hours recently.  It was interesting to
> see how the two books relate.
>
> Now I'm reading a Saul Bellow book for the first time in a long time.  I
> used to love him.
>
>    --bonniev
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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bonniev wrote:

> Speaking of acknowledging when one is wrong, let me say this to
> Alyce.   Alyce, when Bush was elected you said you were very afraid and
> thought this would be a disaster on a scale hitherto unknown.   I thought
> you were exaggerating and thought the country had survived other bad
> administrations without too much peril.  Well, I'm here to admit that I was
> wrong and you were right.

I've said much the same thing, possibly here, definitely in my ftf
life:  that I had been against Bush at the time of the election but that
I thought he would muddle through as only a minor embarrassment to the
country.  I was not in despair when he was elected.  I even went so far
as to say that his one saving grace was that he didn't seem to be
egotistical or arrogant -- that he would probably be pretty unnoticeable
-- that he wouldn't be power-hungry.  I've readily admitted being
wrong.  I've wondered, though, whether my predictions about him might
have turned out to be true if 9/11 hadn't happened.  Something like that
can't change a person's whole character, of course, but I can see how it
might juggle the psyche, awaken parts of the personality that might have
been sleeping, change behavior.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Tom Lee wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>
> A> Hey! Your aunt, my uncle. How fortuitious!!! This same uncle once gave me a
> A> tape of Spike Jones ditties. I bet I could find a copy of the songbook
> A> somewhere -- wonder if it's in reprint?
>
>         I don't know as much about Spike Jones as perhaps I should.  There
> are a few Tom Lehrer songbooks, according to Amazon.Com, but it looks like
> the "Too Many Songs" one probably has the most songs in it, and it appears
> to still be available.
>

We used to have Spike Jones 78s. (here's a wwsp story - our records were
played on a windup Victrola when we were little - it was donated to us
after a farmer/parishioner got electricity, I suppose). My uncle proposed
to my aunt during a Spike Jones club appearance. Do you suppose that's why
his two <eldest> boys are gay, and two <youngest> are straight?

clo

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         Orlando is the only Virginia Woolf I've ever made it all the
> way through.  I'm gonna give it another few years and try
> her again.

I somewhat liked Mrs. Dalloway.  I think I might have also made it
through To the Lighthouse, though as a chore rather than a pleasure.  I
was never a VW fan.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> get associated with this subthread re POWs.  Was my question out of
> curiosity about the logistics of housing POWs while moving toward
> Baghdad construed as implying something about good or bad treatment of
> them?  That wasn't in my mind at all.  My question was one of simple
> curiosity of the same kind I've had about things like whether
opticians
> are close around for our soldiers who wear glasses, etc.  Nothing
> <controversial> or <argumentative>.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)>     Save This Country!
http://www.deanforamerica.com/

You are correct.  I looked back to see, and it was
Alyce who expressed the concern for the POWs,
which is all right but it kinda made me see red, just
as concern about Guantanamo last year did.

I think what set me off was this:

"Via CNN?  I don't mean in any way to suggest that Saddam was a <good
guy>.  He was far from that.  But I do hope you're checking sources
other than CNN, the US propaganda machine."

It irritated me because I had only reported on
something I saw and my shock at what I saw.
Like, did you think CNN doctored the pictures
of the palaces or what?  I think they are running
it again today at 2:00 EST, if you want to check
the propaganda machine, although I'm not exactly
sure of that.

                         - D. M.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> bonniev wrote:
>
>
>>No, I didn't go that far.  I did do an impulsive purchase, though.  Is that
>>trailerparkish?  I only iron about once a month.  This time I realized that
>>my 20+ year old iron didn't work.  So I drove off immediately and bought a
>>new, cheapy one at the local hardware store.  That's probably $17 wasted
>>although it got me through the day.  Next time I'm in Bangor I'll go to
>>Bed, Bath, and Beyond and buy a decent one.
>>
>
> I think I mentioned not long ago that I decided on a whim to buy a new
> iron, my old one being scuzzy-bottomed and over forty years old.  The
> new one was very cheap -- much less than $17, iirc, and I don't much
> like it.  I should perhaps look for a better one (though I iron even
> less than you do -- much less than once a month).


        I learned useful things about small appliances at Kohl's.
The cheap irons aren't very good.  We used my discount to
replace my iron (given to me by my mom after she dropped it
15 years ago -- well, I didn't iron much at the time) with a
good $50 iron.  Hubby says it makes a huge difference.  He
does all the ironing since he learned in the air force
(where he murdered people, fwiw) how to do a much better job
than I do. He is currently cursing me to the heavens for all
the linen in my summer wardrobe, though.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        Orlando is the only Virginia Woolf I've ever made it all the
>>way through.  I'm gonna give it another few years and try
>>her again.
>>
>
> I somewhat liked Mrs. Dalloway.  I think I might have also made it
> through To the Lighthouse, though as a chore rather than a pleasure.  I
> was never a VW fan.


        I think I made 50 pages of To the Lighthouse.  Maybe Proust
is *training* for Woolf :).





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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:


> My experience with organized religion is pretty - rich and varied, let us
> say - and that TO insider view of the Secret Life of Churches was
> certainly a contributing factor, since I learned very early that a lot of
> arguments that purport to be about belief, fact, or procedure are
> actually about personal needs for recognition, hurt feelings, and other
> very ordinary human emotions.


Of course it is -- God isn't split; people are.  I consider
denominational differences really a matter of style and not
theology, as most purport to be.

I led interesting discussions about this very thing with my
freshmen this week -- we were talking about the Friar's role
in Romeo & Juliet -- the new movie version with Leonardo
DiCaprio does a nice job of emphasizing the irony in the
juxtaposition of violence and religion in the play.  In any
case, after we got through the usual priest molestation
stuff, the kids had some interesting things to say.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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>I've wondered, though, whether my predictions about him might
>have turned out to be true if 9/11 hadn't happened.  Something like that
>can't change a person's whole character, of course, but I can see how it
>might juggle the psyche, awaken parts of the personality that might have
>been sleeping, change behavior.     -- Natalie

I think it would have happened without 9/11.  There were people around him
who had world domination fantasies all along.  He was probably just
"electable", their front man.


    --bonniev

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>I somewhat liked Mrs. Dalloway.  I think I might have also made it
>through To the Lighthouse, though as a chore rather than a pleasure.  I
>was never a VW fan.      -- Natalie

After a break from her, I'm going to try To the Lighthouse also.  I bought
both of those books at a used book store on my credit for selling them a
whole bunch of books.  To the Lighthouse caught my eye because of its
setting in the Hebrides, a part of the world I very much appreciate.


    --bonniev

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>good $50 iron.  Hubby says it makes a huge difference.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Good to know.  What brand is it?  What features does it have that he
particularly appreciates?


    --bonniev

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On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I was never a VW fan.
>

I like her needlework.

clo

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>Like, did you think CNN doctored the pictures
>of the palaces or what?  I think they are running
>it again today at 2:00 EST,
>                          - D. M.

It's not that they doctor the pictures, although that one of the statue
being pulled down was certainly edited to make it look like a huge crowd
was cheering.  It's that they choose what and what not to report.  When I
read (I don't watch or listen to CNN) how our soldiers were appalled at the
luxury in the palaces while the Iraqi population went hungry, I couldn't
help but think about the great variance in our own society.  The poor rural
areas of West Virginia and the poverty of the inner city ghettos in this
country are a long way from the opulence of the waterfront mansions of the
likes of Bill Gates.


    --bonniev

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Doris Markland wrote:

> You are correct.  I looked back to see, and it was
> Alyce who expressed the concern for the POWs,
> which is all right but it kinda made me see red, just
> as concern about Guantanamo last year did.

I was indeed one who mentioned concern about Guantanamo.  They aren't
POWs, of course.  They're "enemy combatants."

> I think what set me off was this:
>
> "Via CNN?  I don't mean in any way to suggest that Saddam was a <good
> guy>.  He was far from that.  But I do hope you're checking sources
> other than CNN, the US propaganda machine."
>
> It irritated me because I had only reported on
> something I saw and my shock at what I saw.
> Like, did you think CNN doctored the pictures
> of the palaces or what?

My question wasn't about the palaces and the richness of Saddam.  His
lavish lifestyle has been reported on frequently in all kinds of
places.  My question was about the starving people around him.  You do
realize, don't you, that the US has had a role in that?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> He is currently cursing me to the heavens for all
> the linen in my summer wardrobe, though.

Linen is a royal pain.  Not only is ironing it a bitch, but after five
minutes of normal activity when wearing linen, it's a mess again.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-19 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > It seems to me that a Tibetan monk, having been trained to focus,
> > would indeed be good at detecting micro-expressions.  It would also
> > seem, though, that to correlate any one or group of such expressions
> > with falsehood would require considerable experience with liars---
> > something one wouldn't expect of a Tibetan monk.
>
> So, don't you think you are holding the thing by the wrong end?
> Can anyone "detect" a meaningless micro-expression and then learn
> to "correlate" it with a meaning?
>

My stbex can, that's for sure. Meaning is in the mind of the beholder, in
that case.

An alternate theory -

Suppose you live in a micro-culture where expression of strong emotion is
not encouraged, and yet you live with human beings with ordinary capacity
to become irritated, etc. Might it not lead you to develop a sensitivity
to those clues that remain (micro-expressions)?

clo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>He is currently cursing me to the heavens for all
>>the linen in my summer wardrobe, though.
>>
>
> Linen is a royal pain.  Not only is ironing it a bitch, but after five
> minutes of normal activity when wearing linen, it's a mess again.
>

        Yes, but it's the only relatively comfortable fabric when my
room hits 90+.  I'm very happy that spring has been cool so far.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         I think I made 50 pages of To the Lighthouse.  Maybe Proust
> is *training* for Woolf :).
>

Then you missed the good part. There's one sentence in TtL that I liked.
Something like "One night Mr X couldn't sleep and put out his arms to his
wife, but she wasn't there - she had died the winter before". (Well, I
read it 20 years ago, sorry for imprecision). I liked the lack of
exposition, the suddenness of it, and thought that must be how it seemed
to him in a half-asleep state - as if the loss had suddenly taken place
just this minute, but six months or so in the past.

clo

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>
> > You are correct.  I looked back to see, and it was
> > Alyce who expressed the concern for the POWs,
> > which is all right but it kinda made me see red, just
> > as concern about Guantanamo last year did.
>
> I was indeed one who mentioned concern about Guantanamo.  They aren't
> POWs, of course.  They're "enemy combatants."
>
> > I think what set me off was this:
> >
> > "Via CNN?  I don't mean in any way to suggest that Saddam was a
<good
> > guy>.  He was far from that.  But I do hope you're checking sources
> > other than CNN, the US propaganda machine."
> >
> > It irritated me because I had only reported on
> > something I saw and my shock at what I saw.
> > Like, did you think CNN doctored the pictures
> > of the palaces or what?
>
> My question wasn't about the palaces and the richness of Saddam.  His
> lavish lifestyle has been reported on frequently in all kinds of
> places.  My question was about the starving people around him.  You do
> realize, don't you, that the US has had a role in that?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

If you are talking about the sanctions, it doesn't
seem that they hurt Sadaam at all.  Isn't that strange?
And if you think several countries have not continued
doing business with him through it all, you had better
check your resources.  Some of the countries who
have been most vocal in criticism of the US are the
very ones who stood to gain if Sadaam stayed in
power.

But it's Easter so let's talk of other things.

                 - D. M.

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On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:

> >I've wondered, though, whether my predictions about him might
> >have turned out to be true if 9/11 hadn't happened.  Something like that
> >can't change a person's whole character, of course, but I can see how it
> >might juggle the psyche, awaken parts of the personality that might have
> >been sleeping, change behavior.     -- Natalie
>
> I think it would have happened without 9/11.  There were people around him
> who had world domination fantasies all along.  He was probably just
> "electable", their front man.
>
>
>     --bonniev
>

Imo, the fact that he wasn't the people's choice, followed by an
unexpected attack, made him so afraid of seeming weak that he became
willing to do whatever he was told would make him look strong.

But even manipulated people have to answer for their actions in the end.
Which is why it's so important to continue to speak against what seems
wrong. If the only voices a weak man hears urge him to do wrong, he will.

And if you think <our> media is censored, just imagine what's filtered out
of what he is told! Remember that he is a "polarized staff" president -
one who doesn't surround himself with multiple viewpoints.

clo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>
> > Why do you conclude that the thoughts you list above apply to Doris?
> > For weeks now, anything she's said has been put down by someone on this
> > list. Nothing she's said indicates her opinions about support for Saddam
> > or acceptance of 9/11.
>
> I conclude it because of this statement:
>
> > > Doris Markland wrote:
> > >
> > > > Meanwhile, with all due respect, I am afraid
> > > > you and a few others on this list are very
> > > > much not on our side but on another's.
>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> So what do you think that means if not "if you're against the war,
> you're for the enemy"?

But Doris has frequently said she's against war, so where does that put
her if she intended what you think she means?    You constantly
dis-America on this list.  What side does that put you on when you can't
support the American efforts?   Doris never said a word about the enemy
that's your word.  I thought she meant you must be on another side...
rather than on America's side and there's always more than one OR TWO sides.
--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > Sylvia Edwards wrote:
> >
> > > Why do you conclude that the thoughts you list above apply to
Doris?
> > > For weeks now, anything she's said has been put down by someone on
this
> > > list. Nothing she's said indicates her opinions about support for
Saddam
> > > or acceptance of 9/11.
> >
> > I conclude it because of this statement:
> >
> > > > Doris Markland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Meanwhile, with all due respect, I am afraid
> > > > > you and a few others on this list are very
> > > > > much not on our side but on another's.
> >       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > So what do you think that means if not "if you're against the war,
> > you're for the enemy"?
>
> But Doris has frequently said she's against war, so where does that
put
> her if she intended what you think she means?    You constantly
> dis-America on this list.  What side does that put you on when you
can't
> support the American efforts?   Doris never said a word about the
enemy
> that's your word.  I thought she meant you must be on another side...
> rather than on America's side and there's always more than one OR TWO
sides.
> --
> Sylvia Edwards

Exactly.  There's France, Germany and Russia
for starters.

               - D. M.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> Of course it is -- God isn't split; people are.  I consider
> denominational differences really a matter of style and not
> theology, as most purport to be.

I think this also, although I realize that there are some theological
differences.  One reason I like Methodism is that it seems to be a bit
<looser> theologically than some denominations are.  I also think it to
a large extent about different religions, not just different xtian
denominations.

I dreamed last night that I was taking communion in a Catholic church in
Italy.  Weird dream -- just a snippet -- I don't know whether the dream
was longer than that part.  One weird thing about it was that somehow I
knew I was in a Catholic church in Italy, yet the way communion was
being done was a strange sort of combination of Catholic and Methodist
with some oddities not associated with any communion I know of.  We the
congregation were kneeling inside the altar area, facing out toward the
pews.  And a service person, sort of like a waitress, was walking along
and handing out little sticks of bread and then little cups of wine.
But at times she would get confused and give somebody the wine cup
before the bread.

I love dreams.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >I somewhat liked Mrs. Dalloway.  I think I might have also made it
> >through To the Lighthouse, though as a chore rather than a pleasure.  I
> >was never a VW fan.      -- Natalie
>
> After a break from her, I'm going to try To the Lighthouse also.  I bought

I can't even remember TTL.  I *think* I read it all, but I might not
have.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> Something like "One night Mr X couldn't sleep and put out his arms to his
> wife, but she wasn't there - she had died the winter before". (Well, I

I like that also.  Don't remember it from the book -- remember almost
nothing from the book.  But I do think that's good.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Yes, but it's the only relatively comfortable fabric when my
> room hits 90+.  I'm very happy that spring has been cool so far.

I've never really noticed that linen is cooler than ordinary cotton.  I
know it is said to be, of course, and I believe the sayers.  I just
haven't noticed it personally.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> Imo, the fact that he wasn't the people's choice, followed by an
> unexpected attack, made him so afraid of seeming weak that he became
> willing to do whatever he was told would make him look strong.

That is one theory often given for why Truman nuked Hiroshima and
Nagasaki.  Not an exact parallel, of course.  I don't mean that.  The
parallel is that some people have theorized that Truman felt insecure in
his role as decision-maker and overcompensated.

> But even manipulated people have to answer for their actions in the end.
> Which is why it's so important to continue to speak against what seems
> wrong. If the only voices a weak man hears urge him to do wrong, he will.

Well said.  I think there are many answers to the question of why we
should speak out.  I do not buy the "nothing is accomplished by it"
idea.  I have at no point thought that the peace rallies I've
participated in were going to prevent this war.  Some people felt that
they might, but I guess I'm too old and cynical now to be that
idealistic.  I think I said after the very first one, way back before
the war started, that among other reasons were to test our freedom of
speech and to show other countries that we are not all lockstep on this
issue.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Doris Markland wrote:

> If you are talking about the sanctions, it doesn't
> seem that they hurt Sadaam at all.  Isn't that strange?

I don't get your point.  Are you suggesting that I think Saddam is a
good guy, that he ran his country benevolently, that he just
<accidentally> accumulated wealth and lived in oppulence?

> And if you think several countries have not continued
> doing business with him through it all, you had better
> check your resources.  Some of the countries who
> have been most vocal in criticism of the US are the
> very ones who stood to gain if Sadaam stayed in
> power.

Well duh.  That is well known, particularly in the case of France.  I
don't believe, however, that one should support what one considers wrong
just because some others who are calling it wrong may have questionable
motives for doing so.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:
> > > > > Meanwhile, with all due respect, I am afraid
> > > > > you and a few others on this list are very
> > > > > much not on our side but on another's.
> >       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > So what do you think that means if not "if you're against the war,
> > you're for the enemy"?
>
> But Doris has frequently said she's against war, so where does that put
> her if she intended what you think she means?

I don't know.  So far I have heard no explanation for what she meant by
being "on another's" side or not being "on our side."  Were we not
talking about the war?  If not, what were we talking about?

>  You constantly
> dis-America on this list.  What side does that put you on when you can't
> support the American efforts?   Doris never said a word about the enemy
> that's your word.  I thought she meant you must be on another side...
> rather than on America's side and there's always more than one OR TWO sides.

My gosh.  This is mind boggling.  I constantly dis America on this
list?  You can utter all the stupidities you want to.  It is your
right.  But I do not have to let you steal my country.  Supporting "the
American efforts"?  I assume by "the American efforts" you mean the
attack on Iraq.  To be pro-America one has to be for attacking Iraq?  Or
is it just that you believe that to be pro-America one has to stay
silent when one disagrees with a current administration?   That is not
the country I live in, thank goodness.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > >
> > > Sylvia Edwards wrote:
> > >
> > > > Why do you conclude that the thoughts you list above apply to
> Doris?
> > > > For weeks now, anything she's said has been put down by someone on
> this
> > > > list. Nothing she's said indicates her opinions about support for
> Saddam
> > > > or acceptance of 9/11.
> > >
> > > I conclude it because of this statement:
> > >
> > > > > Doris Markland wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Meanwhile, with all due respect, I am afraid
> > > > > > you and a few others on this list are very
> > > > > > much not on our side but on another's.
> > >       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >
> > > So what do you think that means if not "if you're against the war,
> > > you're for the enemy"?
> >
> > But Doris has frequently said she's against war, so where does that
> put
> > her if she intended what you think she means?    You constantly
> > dis-America on this list.  What side does that put you on when you
> can't
> > support the American efforts?   Doris never said a word about the
> enemy
> > that's your word.  I thought she meant you must be on another side...
> > rather than on America's side and there's always more than one OR TWO
> sides.
> > --
> > Sylvia Edwards
>
> Exactly.  There's France, Germany and Russia
> for starters.

Exactly what for starters?  Do you also believe that one who speaks out
is <dis-America>?  I will say to you what I just said to Sylvia:  That
is not the kind of country I live in.  I live in the USA, a country I
love enough to work hard to keep free.  I will continue to make those
efforts, whatever you and Sylvia want to think about who is or isn't
allowed to be called pro-America.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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----- Original Message -----
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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > If you are talking about the sanctions, it doesn't
> > seem that they hurt Sadaam at all.  Isn't that strange?
>
> I don't get your point.  Are you suggesting that I think Saddam is a
> good guy, that he ran his country benevolently, that he just
> <accidentally> accumulated wealth and lived in oppulence?

No.  I'm suggesting no matter what went on over
there or when,  he and he only benefitted from it,
never the people.  And when there was lack or
suffering, they and they only suffered, not him.

> > And if you think several countries have not continued
> > doing business with him through it all, you had better
> > check your resources.  Some of the countries who
> > have been most vocal in criticism of the US are the
> > very ones who stood to gain if Sadaam stayed in
> > power.
>
> Well duh.  That is well known, particularly in the case of France.  I
> don't believe, however, that one should support what one considers
wrong
> just because some others who are calling it wrong may have
questionable
> motives for doing so.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

I just get tired of so much questioning of the
USA motives and so little questioning of the
motives of these other countries.

                    - D. M.

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> help but think about the great variance in our own society.  The poor
rural
> areas of West Virginia and the poverty of the inner city ghettos in
this
> country are a long way from the opulence of the waterfront mansions of
the
> likes of Bill Gates.
>
>
>     --bonniev

I think this is probably a rather inappropriate
comparison.  Have you read much about
what Gates has been doing with his millions?

                          - D. M.

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bonniev wrote:

> Well, I'm here to admit that I was
> wrong and you were right.

I am hoping that I was wrong, but it is not easy to remain a positive
thinker.

alyce

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> > > that's your word.  I thought she meant you must be on another
side...
> > > rather than on America's side and there's always more than one OR
TWO
> > sides.
> > > --
> > > Sylvia Edwards
> >
> > Exactly.  There's France, Germany and Russia
> > for starters.
>
> Exactly what for starters?

Countries you can support without being
on the side of the "enemy," which no one
ever said you were.

                      - D. M.
 > --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Doris Markland wrote:
> > I don't get your point.  Are you suggesting that I think Saddam is a
> > good guy, that he ran his country benevolently, that he just
> > <accidentally> accumulated wealth and lived in oppulence?
>
> No.  I'm suggesting no matter what went on over
> there or when,  he and he only benefitted from it,
> never the people.  And when there was lack or
> suffering, they and they only suffered, not him.

I don't know anybody who would disagree with that.  Certainly I
wouldn't.

> I just get tired of so much questioning of the
> USA motives and so little questioning of the
> motives of these other countries.

I've read/heard lots of questionings of the other countries' motives.  I
think it makes sense that there might be more press given to questioning
the US motives since the US is the active one in this, not passive.  I
think it's normal to hear more questioning of why one is doing a certain
thing than of why others may choose not to do it.  Maybe not.  In any
case, there has been lots of questioning of other countries in what I've
read.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Rabbit and Exotic Mushroom Pot Pie
Recipe courtesy Gloria Ciccarone-Nehls

Rabbit Preparation:
1 fresh rabbit rubbed with the following mixture:
1 tablespoon thyme leaves, chopped
1 tablespoon sage leaves, chopped
1 teaspoon garlic, chopped
1 tablespoon ground porcini mushrooms, dried
1 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon black pepper
1/2 cup brandy
1 tablespoon olive oil

Rabbit sauce:
1/2 cup porcini mushrooms, dried
1 large onion
1 tablespoon fresh thyme, chopped
1 tablespoon fresh sage, chopped
1 tablespoon garlic
1 cup chicken stock
1 cup Madeira
1 cup dry sherry
3 cups heavy cream

Roux:
8 tablespoons butter
8 tablespoons flour

Filling:
1 cup portobello mushrooms, diced 1/2-inch and sautied
1 cup fresh morel mushrooms, cut in quarters and sautied, other wild
mushrooms may be substituted such as chanterelles, miyataki, shiitake,
or
oyster
1/2 cup blanched parsnips, cut 1/2-inch dice
1/2 cup blanched carrots, cut 1/2-inch dice
2 tablespoons sautied shallots
2 cups diced rabbit meat

Pumpkin Shells:
12 small miniature pumpkins

For the Rabbit preparation: Let rabbit marinate several hours. In a
covered
casserole dish, braise rabbit with 1 quart chicken stock in a preheated
400
degree oven for 1 hour or until meat is tender and falling off the bone.
Strain the liquid into a saucepan. Pick the meat from the rabbit and
dice
it into 1/2-inch squares. Set aside.

For the Rabbit Sauce: Combine the above ingredients, except for roux and
reduce by half. Thicken with roux. Adjust thickness with reserved
strained
rabbit braising liquid, if needed. Continue to reduce until mixture is
thick and coats a spoon. Season with salt and freshly ground black
pepper.
Strain and set aside.

To make roux: Heat butter in a small saucepan and add flour, stirring
constantly for a few minutes until thick and creamy, but not brown.

For the Filling: Combine ingredients in a saucepan over medium heat. Add
2
cups rabbit sauce. Mix well. Keep warm until ready to assemble.

For the Pumpkin Shells: Cut off top of pumpkin so that the seeds are
exposed. Scoop out all of the seeds and soft flesh until you have what
resembles a small bowl (be careful not to put a hole in the bottom of
each
pumpkin). In a preheated 350 degree F oven, place pumpkins cut side down
on
a sheet pan. Bake the pumpkin for 15 minutes or until it is cooked, but
not
collapsed. Turn them over cut side up to cool. Set aside until ready to
use.

Pastry:
1/2 sheet puff pastry

Assembly:
1/2 cup beaten egg
24 sauteed wild mushrooms, for garnish
Watercress sprigs, for garnish

For the Pastry: On a floured surface, cut 4 (2 1/2-inch) rounds from
pastry. Set aside.
To assemble: Place pumpkins on a baking sheet. Fill insides with
rabbit-mushroom mixture. Top with pastry lid. Brush with egg. Arrange 1
mushroom on top of each lid.

Bake in a preheated 400 degree oven for 10 to 12 minutes or until
perfectly
golden brown.
Serve at once, garnished with wild mushrooms and watercress sprigs
around
potpie.
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Rabbit with Sauerkraut: Coniglio con Krauti

3 1/2 pound rabbit, cut into 8 pieces
Coarse sea salt and black pepper
1/4 cup lard, plus 1/4 cup
1/2 onion, finely chopped
1 pound sauerkraut, recipe follows
1/2 teaspoon black peppercorns
1/2 cup white wine

Rinse the rabbit and pat dry with paper towels. Season with sea salt and
pepper and set aside.
In a large, heavy-bottomed skillet, heat 1/4-cup lard over high heat
until
it is melted. Add half of the rabbit pieces, skin side down, and cook
until
golden-brown, about 5 minutes. Turn over and cook until golden brown on
the
other side. Remove the browned meat and cook the remaining meat. Set
aside
on a plate covered with foil.

Add the remaining lard and heat until it melts. Add the onion and cook
for
2 minutes, until translucent but not browned. Add the sauerkraut and
peppercorns, reduce the heat to medium and cook for about 8 minutes.
Stir
occasionally to keep from sticking.
Return the rabbit pieces to the pan. Pour the wine into the skillet and
bring to a boil. Reduce the heat to low, cover the pan and cook for 30
minutes. Serve immediately.

Italian Sauerkraut (Blaukrauti):
1 medium red onion, thinly sliced
6 cups red cabbage
4 sage leaves
1 clove garlic
2 cups red wine vinegar
2 tablespoons salt
2 tablespoons sugar

Place all ingredients in a 6-quart pot and cover. Bring to a boil over
high
flame and reduce to simmer. Cook covered 40 to 50 minutes, stirring
frequently or until very tender. Can be reheated with great success.

Yield: 8 servings
Yield: 4 servings
Prep Time: 20 minutes
Cook Time: 1 hour 50 minutes
-----------------

Grilled Rabbit Sausage Over Stewed White Beans

Recipe courtesy Emeril Lagasse, 1999
1 rabbit, deboned and cut into 1-inch cubes (about 2 1/2 pounds)
6 slices bacon
1/2 cup pecan pieces, roughly chopped
1 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon cayenne
1/2 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper
1 teaspoon dried thyme
1/4 cup chopped green onions
1/4 cup chopped parsley
1 tablespoon Creole seasoning
For the Beans:
2 tablespoons olive oil
1 small garlic clove, thinly sliced
1/4 cup chopped shallots
2 cups cooked cannellini beans
Salt
Freshly ground black pepper
1 cup chiffonade fresh spinach
2 cups veal reduction
2 teaspoons fresh thyme leaves
1 tablespoon butter
Parsley, for garnish

For the sausage: Mix all the ingredients in a large bowl. Grind the
mixture
in a meat grinder fitted with a 1/4 inch die or coarsely grind in a food
processor fitted with a metal blade. **Form a teaspoon of the mixture
into
a small ball and pan-fry for a minute on each side to test the
seasoning**
Form the mixture into 3-inch patties, 1/4-inch thick. In a large saute
pan,
over medium heat, add the oil. When the oil is hot, pan-fry the patties
for
3 to 4 minutes on each side. For the Beans: Heat the oil in a saute pan,
over medium heat. Fry the garlic slices until golden, about 1 minute,
stirring constantly. Remove and drain on paper towels. Add the shallots
and
beans to the pan. Season with salt and pepper. Saute for 2 to 3 minutes.
Add the spinach. Season with salt and pepper. Saute for 1 minute. Add
the
veal reduction and bring to a simmer. Cook for 2 minutes. Stir in the
thyme
and continue to simmer for 1 minute. Remove from the heat and stir in
the
butter. To serve, spoon the bean mixture in the center of each plate.
Lay 2
patties against each other over the beans. Garnish with parsley.

EMERIL'S CREOLE SEASONING (ESSENCE)

Recipe from New New Orleans Cooking by Emeril Lagasse and Jessie Tirsch,
Published by William and Morrow, 1993

2 1/2 tablespoons paprika
2 tablespoons salt
2 tablespoons garlic powder
1 tablespoon black pepper
1 tablespoon onion powder
1 tablespoon cayenne pepper
1 tablespoon dried leaf oregano
1 tablespoon dried thyme

Combine all ingredients thoroughly and store in an airtight jar or
container.

Yield: about 2/3 cup
Yield: 4 to 6 servings
Prep Time: 25 minutes
Cook Time: 15 minutes






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Doris Markland wrote:

> > > Exactly.  There's France, Germany and Russia
> > > for starters.
> >
> > Exactly what for starters?
>
> Countries you can support without being
> on the side of the "enemy," which no one
> ever said you were.

Support?  I'm finding it difficult to wrap my mind around this concept.
Are you saying that if your position on something happens to coincide
with the position of some other country, regardless of how/why those
positions were reached, you are supporting that country -- or to use
your earlier words you are "on another's side"?  I guess I can see that,
though it strikes me as a strange way to put it.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> Was Doug doing the cooking?
>
Yes. It is a mystery. We ate the same things except that he had Pepsi
and I didn't.

alyce

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>I think this is probably a rather inappropriate
>comparison.  Have you read much about
>what Gates has been doing with his millions?
>                           - D. M.

Yes, I understand that many very rich Americans do good things with that
money.  I also recognize that they create jobs.  And America has a very
large middle class which is quite well off by world standards.  Yet, if I
were a nineteen-year-old Marine who hadn't seen much more than West
Virginia coal country, I would be just about as astounded to walk through
Bill Gates' mansion as I would be to walk the Palace Grounds of
Saddam.  That's the only comparison I'm making.


    --bonniev

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Those recipes are awfully complicated-looking compared to this one:

http://www.vt.com/~gtoal/words-l/recipes/chien.html

But now I must turn off the computer and get ready to go eat lamb.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>Doris Markland wrote:
> > If you are talking about the sanctions, it doesn't
> > seem that they hurt Sadaam at all.  Isn't that strange?
>
>I don't get your point.  Are you suggesting that I think Saddam is a
>good guy, that he ran his country benevolently, that he just
><accidentally> accumulated wealth and lived in oppulence?
>  -- Natalie

I think Doris makes a good point, if I understand it.   We may be wrong in
thinking that little Iraqi children are suffering because the UN sanctions
have resulted in no food or clean water for Iraq.  Perhaps there was plenty
of money for food and a clean water system in Iraq these last twelve
years.  Only problem was that Saddam was using all of the money to build
palaces.


    --bonniev

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> >  And when there was lack or
> > suffering, they and they only suffered, not him.
>
>I don't know anybody who would disagree with that.  Certainly I
>wouldn't.      -- Natalie

Well you can't have it both ways Natalie.  Stop feeling guilty that it was
America and UN sanctions that caused all the suffering.  It was Saddam.


    --bonniev

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> I've read/heard lots of questionings of the other countries' motives.
I
> think it makes sense that there might be more press given to
questioning
> the US motives since the US is the active one in this, not passive.  I
> think it's normal to hear more questioning of why one is doing a
certain
> thing than of why others may choose not to do it.  Maybe not.  In any
> case, there has been lots of questioning of other countries in what
I've
> read.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I'm glad you know you have read that.

             - D. M.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Doris Markland wrote:
> > > If you are talking about the sanctions, it doesn't
> > > seem that they hurt Sadaam at all.  Isn't that strange?
> >
> >I don't get your point.  Are you suggesting that I think Saddam is a
> >good guy, that he ran his country benevolently, that he just
> ><accidentally> accumulated wealth and lived in oppulence?
> >  -- Natalie
>
> I think Doris makes a good point, if I understand it.   We may be wrong in
> thinking that little Iraqi children are suffering because the UN sanctions
> have resulted in no food or clean water for Iraq.  Perhaps there was plenty

I have never thought that the sanctions were the total problem.  I have
never thought that Saddam wasn't oppressing his people.  I do think the
sanctions contributed to the problems, but I don't think they were The
Cause.  When I said I didn't get Doris's point, I meant the point of her
asking "Isn't that strange?"

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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bonniev wrote:
>
> > >  And when there was lack or
> > > suffering, they and they only suffered, not him.
> >
> >I don't know anybody who would disagree with that.  Certainly I
> >wouldn't.      -- Natalie
>
> Well you can't have it both ways Natalie.  Stop feeling guilty that it was
> America and UN sanctions that caused all the suffering.  It was Saddam.

Huh?  What both ways?  For one thing I do not feel <guilty>.  For
another, I have never said that sanctions "caused all the suffering."

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > I've read/heard lots of questionings of the other countries' motives.
> I
> > think it makes sense that there might be more press given to
> questioning
> > the US motives since the US is the active one in this, not passive.  I
> > think it's normal to hear more questioning of why one is doing a
> certain
> > thing than of why others may choose not to do it.  Maybe not.  In any
> > case, there has been lots of questioning of other countries in what
> I've
> > read.
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> I'm glad you know you have read that.

??  You've lost me again.  Have you not read such questionings?  You
just did your own research and discovered on your own the financial
relationships between Iraq and France, for example?

Now I really have got to turn off the computer.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> > >Doris Markland wrote:
> > > > If you are talking about the sanctions, it doesn't
> > > > seem that they hurt Sadaam at all.  Isn't that strange?
> > >
> > >I don't get your point.  Are you suggesting that I think Saddam is
a
> > >good guy, that he ran his country benevolently, that he just
> > ><accidentally> accumulated wealth and lived in oppulence?
> > >  -- Natalie
> >
> > I think Doris makes a good point, if I understand it.   We may be
wrong in
> > thinking that little Iraqi children are suffering because the UN
sanctions
> > have resulted in no food or clean water for Iraq.  Perhaps there was
plenty
>
> I have never thought that the sanctions were the total problem.  I
have
> never thought that Saddam wasn't oppressing his people.  I do think
the
> sanctions contributed to the problems, but I don't think they were The
> Cause.  When I said I didn't get Doris's point, I meant the point of
her
> asking "Isn't that strange?"
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Isn't it strange that this whole situation was
not questioned seriously long before it was?

                - D. M.

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> > I am disillusioned beyond words.  Doris was one of my heroes.

>She's still one of mine.

I've never considered anyone <my> hero. Does everyone here have heroes?

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>I think it would have happened without 9/11.  There were people around him
>who had world domination fantasies all along.  He was probably just
>"electable", their front man.   --bonniev

Interesting thing is how different streams of world domination -
military, corporate/business and religous (evangelical Christianity)
- have all converged around Bush. (I consider Dubya a term of
affection but will give up using it if it offends Doris.)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Well, not all of them were starving, but it's true that the US sanctions
> did cause problems.

    UN sanctions.

> Via CNN?  I don't mean in any way to suggest that Saddam was a <good
> guy>.  He was far from that.  But I do hope you're checking sources
> other than CNN, the US propaganda machine.

    Oh, please.  Did you miss the "confession" of the CNN bureau chief how
he routinely spiked any story critical of Saddam for the last 12 years, and
even went so far as to read over the air material written by the Iraqi
government?  "Cresent News Network" is right.

JMW

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > Sylvia Edwards wrote:
> >
> > > Why do you conclude that the thoughts you list above apply to Doris?
> > > For weeks now, anything she's said has been put down by someone on this
> > > list. Nothing she's said indicates her opinions about support for Saddam
> > > or acceptance of 9/11.
> >
> > I conclude it because of this statement:
> >
> > > > Doris Markland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Meanwhile, with all due respect, I am afraid
> > > > > you and a few others on this list are very
> > > > > much not on our side but on another's.
> >       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > So what do you think that means if not "if you're against the war,
> > you're for the enemy"?
>
> But Doris has frequently said she's against war, so where does that put
> her if she intended what you think she means?    You constantly
> dis-America on this list.  What side does that put you on when you can't
> support the American efforts?   Doris never said a word about the enemy
> that's your word.  I thought she meant you must be on another side...
> rather than on America's side and there's always more than one OR TWO sides.
> --
> Sylvia Edwards
> Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
> Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

I'm sorry, but I think that this is really the heart of the problem. If she
meant that she was being deliberately and dishonestly insulting, because
America's side is that Americans are free to speak their minds and America's
side is that presidents and armies can be in the wrong even when they are able
to take what they want, and all American citizens have the right to say so if
they think so without having their loyalty questioned.

It's a basic principle of American life that independent judgment and the
personal responsibility to act on one's convictions <must never> be suspended,
and that each citizen is <expected> to speak out. So this deference to authority
is very problematic. The fact that French, German and Russian citizens and
governments happen to agree with those of us who think the government is wrong
is irrelevant to this point. It has no bearing on our responsibility as citizens
to participate in democracy by speaking out.

Natalie often says that she thinks that Americans tend to do shortsighted,
selfish things, and that the current government's policies are shortsighted,
wrong, perhaps even immoral. But pointing out failings is a good thing when, as
in *most but not all of* Natalie's comments, it is pointedly in the context of
loving what is good here and wanting us not to let ourselves down or be less
than we should/could be.

Doris may *say* she's against war, but she also appears to think that
independent judgement and the understanding of what's right and wrong must be
suspended whenever there is a crisis. I do her the justice to suppose that she
would jump to the conclusion that the government must know what it's doing even
when appearing to do wrong, even if her son were not involved.

Many of us were raised to defer to authority without question; and we also have
the experience to know how disastrously, even tragically, we can err by doing
so.

And yes, Natalie is as mouthy and rude and shortsighted as the rest of us here
on the list (Theo excepted because I believe that she has brain damage that
causes her outbursts). If I could find a way to filter out the comments that
point fingers at each other for being insensitive, I would have only about 1/4
of the reading I do here - I am astonished at the heartless way people accuse
each other of being heartless.

Natalie, I'm going to use you as an example, I hope you don't mind. You and I
know that it doesn't mean you have any corner on egregious flaming.

You got exasperated with Doris, who has been very consistent in hinting that you
(and I) are not true Americans, don't love America, should go someplace else,
don't deserve the benefits of America, etc. ad nauseum. When you got totally fed
up, you said Doris said "Heil Dubya!". It's an extremely evocative - and
provocative - phrase - and it's no surprise you got called on it, because

saying Doris says "Heil Dubya"
is  the same kind of personal attack (in its way) as saying that you and I don't
deserve to be Americans.

Which, by the way, is a strange way to "bite your lip till it bleeds", Doris.

So Natalie is called on the carpet for using bad language by people who say -
"what you said is worse than anything Doris has said"
but it's not. It's the same as what Doris has said, and what Bethany has said,
and Betty has said, and Tushar has said, and I have said, and Ann has said, and
Richard has said, and John Williams has said, and Clyde has said. Words-L takes
a stand that people here may be insensitive and rude to each other. It's the
same stupid shit over and over again.

You're not going to rise above it. I can see in a short period of time that as
long as I am on Words-L, I'm going to be called un-American. I'm going to be
called part of the bobbsey twin set (effectively). I'm going to be called
shortsighted, opinionated, rude, fawning, moralizing,  a damn Yankee, a leftover
hippie, and anything else anyone can think of to call me when they need a leg up
in an argument and a personal attack is easier to formulate than a discussion.
And don't tell me "oh, not me, I don't do that" You all do it, and you all whine
when it's done to you.

And <still>, it's a basic principle of American life that speaking out against
something you are sure is wrong is more American than keeping quiet in order to
"support the home team".  So be as nasty as you want. I have a delete key too.

clo

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alyce cresap wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> >
> > Was Doug doing the cooking?
> >
> Yes. It is a mystery. We ate the same things except that he had Pepsi
> and I didn't.
>
> alyce

Yeah, so food poisoning doesn't seem likely...
Although I really asked because I was wondering if you have the
energy to make meals, and if maybe a neighbor could bring
something in till Doug gets back on his feet.

btw, whoever passed on the CDC link about SARS, thanks. It
was timely while I was down with this flu thing to be reminded
that the best way to keep from passing something around is to
wash hands frequently and thoroughly.

clo

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Rashmi Murthy:
= >> I am disillusioned beyond words.  Doris was one of my heroes.
=
= >She's still one of mine.
=
= I've never considered anyone <my> hero. Does everyone here have heroes?
=
= -rashmi

I remember having to write about my hero in grade school.  I
couldn't think of one.  My mom was being pragmatic.  She told me
to write about my orthodontist.

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'My mother and her mother...  'educators: Mathematics teachers Mathew Winton
& Rod Caldwell...  'cadre: SFC Andrade, Cpt Keller... my memory of many of
my childhood "heros" has faded, but I still admire Carl Sagan and William
Buckley Jr., among many others.

Do they qualify?

'Fun retrospect...  ;-)


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From: "Rashmi Murthy" <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM>
>
> I've never considered anyone <my> hero. Does everyone here have heroes?
>
> -rashmi

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Natalie:
>Al Hirt and Preservation Hall arrived
>today.  No Pete Fountain yet.

They just unveiled the new statue of Pete.
He's next to a statue of Jumbo, in a pocket
park on Bourbon.

It looks pretty cool.

--
Richard                    \ | /

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bonniev wrote:

> > >  And when there was lack or
> > > suffering, they and they only suffered, not him.
> >
> >I don't know anybody who would disagree with that.  Certainly I
> >wouldn't.      -- Natalie
>
> Well you can't have it both ways Natalie.  Stop feeling guilty that it was
> America and UN sanctions that caused all the suffering.  It was Saddam.
>
>     --bonniev

No, Bonnie, that's way too simplistic. Of course it's not ever <all>
any one factor.

The UN sanctions were known to be causing hardship because they
were interacting with Saddam's policies; but still the US gov't (among
others) insisted that they be kept in place because of a policy of
reducing the overall access to income from foreign sources.

Our choices about participation in that policy compared to a
choice of urging a different kind of intervention in Iraqi affairs
plays a part in all that has happened.

The Gates example is another great example. When did Gates
become such a huge philanthropist? When his company was
being so heavily trashed during the lawsuits and it turned out
that its - and his - images were not as positive as they needed
to be to fend off consequences he needed to avoid.

Other great philanthropists also have complicated roles as
controllers and despoilers at the same time they are benefactors
and preservers.

Wouldn't it be nice if you could point to one person or event
that was <all good> or <all bad> in its consequences?

Dang life for being complicated!
clo

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Nat:
> minutes of normal activity when wearing linen, it's a mess again.

Yabbut you can look like Robert Mitchum.

--
Richard                    \ | /

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> > > I am disillusioned beyond words.  Doris was one of my heroes.
>
> >She's still one of mine.
>
> I've never considered anyone <my> hero. Does everyone here have heroes?
>
> -rashmi

Yes, I have a couple. Sojourner Truth. Ralph Nader,  in a smaller
way, until he ran for president. Kropotkin; Ferlinghetti; Tolstoy;
John Woolman.

A guy at my college a couple of years older than me,
who left school in his senior year knowing that he would be drafted,
and became a conscientious objector. His dad and mine were
colleagues, and years later I bumped into him again when his son
and my daughter became best friends. He's still a hero because of
his clear insights and honesty. Works in a library, does puppetry,
speaks Russian.

clo

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You got exasperated with Doris, who has been very consistent in hinting
that you (and I) are not true Americans, don't love America, should go
someplace else, don't deserve the benefits of America, etc. ad nauseum.

-Clo

Of all the things you said, I will isolate only this to
say I have never said any of the above things nor
hinted them.  Other things perhaps, but not these
things.  Don't deserve the benefits?  Go someplace
else?  Not the way I feel and not my style.

                                 - D. M.

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>You're not going to rise above it. I can see in a short period of time that as
>long as I am on Words-L, I'm going to be called un-American. I'm going to be
>called part of the bobbsey twin set (effectively). I'm going to be called
>shortsighted, opinionated, rude, fawning, moralizing,  a damn Yankee, a
>leftover
>hippie, and anything else anyone can think of to call me when they need a
>leg up
>in an argument and a personal attack is easier to formulate than a discussion.
>And don't tell me "oh, not me, I don't do that" You all do it, and you all
>whine
>when it's done to you.         --clo

Who was it that said we needed "fresh blood" on words-l, newbies to join
the ranks?  Think again.


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On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> I've never considered anyone <my> hero. Does everyone here have heroes?

There are people I respect a lot, and people I think are better persons
than I am.

I think if I were in a desperate and tight spot, and somebody showed
bravery and menchness and I benefitted from it, and I couldn't imagine
myself being as brave and as much of a mench in the same position, that I
could say that person was my hero.

I hope I'm never in a position, then, to have a hero!

Ann

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On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> Of all the things you said, I will isolate only this to
> say I have never said any of the above things nor
> hinted them.  Other things perhaps, but not these
> things.  Don't deserve the benefits?  Go someplace
> else?  Not the way I feel and not my style.

I agree with you in this take, Doris.

Ann

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> Who was it that said we needed "fresh blood" on words-l, newbies to join
> the ranks?  Think again.

I welcome clo.  Fresh is fresh, even if it has its head up its ass!

Ann

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I'm still concerned about US troops in Iraq but not as much as
in the early days of the war when there were so many unknowns.
My worries were considerably reduced after seeing the inept
truly pathetic defense put up by Saddam's forces. Glad they turned
out to be a third-rate woefully unprepared enemy. Guess I have
more faith in the ability of the Pentagon and the huge
infrastructure in the Gulf for taking care of the troops.
I'm still concerned but not as anxious as before.

-rashmi

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> I'm still concerned about US troops in Iraq but not as much as
> in the early days of the war when there were so many unknowns.
> My worries were considerably reduced after seeing the inept
> truly pathetic defense put up by Saddam's forces. Glad they turned
> out to be a third-rate woefully unprepared enemy. Guess I have
> more faith in the ability of the Pentagon and the huge
> infrastructure in the Gulf for taking care of the troops.
> I'm still concerned but not as anxious as before.
>
> -rashmi
>
>

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> I'm still concerned about US troops in Iraq but not as much as
> in the early days of the war when there were so many unknowns.
> My worries were considerably reduced after seeing the inept
> truly pathetic defense put up by Saddam's forces. Glad they turned
> out to be a third-rate woefully unprepared enemy. Guess I have
> more faith in the ability of the Pentagon and the huge
> infrastructure in the Gulf for taking care of the troops.
> I'm still concerned but not as anxious as before.
>
> -rashmi

All very true.  Probably more danger comes now
from dissidents and factions and the like.  A strange
situation for anyone to police.

                      - D. M.

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Is this for real? Anyone know if this has been fisked? Hard to
know what to believe any more...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,5944-648517,00.html

Opening paragraphs:
THE rescue of Private Jessica Lynch, which inspired America during one of
the most difficult periods of the war, was not the heroic Hollywood story
told by the US military, but a staged operation that terrified patients and
victimised the doctors who had struggled to save her life, according to
Iraqi witnesses.

Doctors at al-Nasiriyah general hospital said that the airborne assault had
met no resistance and was carried out a day after all the Iraqi forces and
Baath leadership had fled the city.

Four doctors and two patients, one of whom was paralysed and on an
intravenous drip, were bound and handcuffed as American soldiers rampaged
through the wards, searching for departed members of the Saddam regime.

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> > Who was it that said we needed "fresh blood" on words-l, newbies to join
> > the ranks?  Think again.
>
>I welcome clo.  Fresh is fresh, even if it has its head up its ass!
>Ann

I welcome clo also.  But sometimes it doesn't feel very good to have fresh
blood see so clearly after a few weeks here and sum up the list with such a
harsh eye.


    --bonniev

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>I'm still concerned about US troops in Iraq but not as much as
>in the early days of the war when there were so many unknowns.
>-rashmi

I've very relieved that biological or chemical weapons weren't used against
our troops.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Yes, but it's the only relatively comfortable fabric when my
>>room hits 90+.  I'm very happy that spring has been cool so far.
>>
>
> I've never really noticed that linen is cooler than ordinary cotton.  I
> know it is said to be, of course, and I believe the sayers.  I just
> haven't noticed it personally.
>

        It doesn't tend to stick to my sweaty body like regular cotton.




--
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rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:
>
> I welcome clo also.  But sometimes it doesn't feel very good to have fresh
> blood see so clearly after a few weeks here and sum up the list with such a
> harsh eye.

I thought it was pretty clever, worthy of somebody in a huge swarmy
buzzing family, to pre-empt denial by the criticized parties.

But then Doris went ahead and denied!  Doris is my hero!

I think Fresh Blood has a very clear take on her own reactions, but isn't
so clear on particular people.  I think she reads into Doris the mindset
of other people Fresh Blood knows better, for example; she makes Doris
into a stereotype, which I don't think Doris is.

Ann

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Rita:

> > NB Rita:  I am not holding against you these weird comments about your
> > views and list behavior.  I just find them funny.
>
>        Me, too.  I'm not sure where I got this great reputation as
>an innocent, but I do enjoy it.

You get a pass on account of being a mom. I remember Doris'
"you'd understand if you were a mother" remark to Natalie.

-rashmi



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        LOL.  Giggles is enjoying this soooooo much right now, I just
know it.

Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>
>
>>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>>>Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Why do you conclude that the thoughts you list above apply to Doris?
>>>>For weeks now, anything she's said has been put down by someone on this
>>>>list. Nothing she's said indicates her opinions about support for Saddam
>>>>or acceptance of 9/11.
>>>>
>>>I conclude it because of this statement:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Doris Markland wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Meanwhile, with all due respect, I am afraid
>>>>>>you and a few others on this list are very
>>>>>>much not on our side but on another's.
>>>>>>
>>>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>>So what do you think that means if not "if you're against the war,
>>>you're for the enemy"?
>>>
>>But Doris has frequently said she's against war, so where does that put
>>her if she intended what you think she means?    You constantly
>>dis-America on this list.  What side does that put you on when you can't
>>support the American efforts?   Doris never said a word about the enemy
>>that's your word.  I thought she meant you must be on another side...
>>rather than on America's side and there's always more than one OR TWO sides.
>>--
>>Sylvia Edwards
>>Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
>>Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/
>>
>
> I'm sorry, but I think that this is really the heart of the problem. If she
> meant that she was being deliberately and dishonestly insulting, because
> America's side is that Americans are free to speak their minds and America's
> side is that presidents and armies can be in the wrong even when they are able
> to take what they want, and all American citizens have the right to say so if
> they think so without having their loyalty questioned.
>
> It's a basic principle of American life that independent judgment and the
> personal responsibility to act on one's convictions <must never> be suspended,
> and that each citizen is <expected> to speak out. So this deference to authority
> is very problematic. The fact that French, German and Russian citizens and
> governments happen to agree with those of us who think the government is wrong
> is irrelevant to this point. It has no bearing on our responsibility as citizens
> to participate in democracy by speaking out.
>
> Natalie often says that she thinks that Americans tend to do shortsighted,
> selfish things, and that the current government's policies are shortsighted,
> wrong, perhaps even immoral. But pointing out failings is a good thing when, as
> in *most but not all of* Natalie's comments, it is pointedly in the context of
> loving what is good here and wanting us not to let ourselves down or be less
> than we should/could be.
>
> Doris may *say* she's against war, but she also appears to think that
> independent judgement and the understanding of what's right and wrong must be
> suspended whenever there is a crisis. I do her the justice to suppose that she
> would jump to the conclusion that the government must know what it's doing even
> when appearing to do wrong, even if her son were not involved.
>
> Many of us were raised to defer to authority without question; and we also have
> the experience to know how disastrously, even tragically, we can err by doing
> so.
>
> And yes, Natalie is as mouthy and rude and shortsighted as the rest of us here
> on the list (Theo excepted because I believe that she has brain damage that
> causes her outbursts). If I could find a way to filter out the comments that
> point fingers at each other for being insensitive, I would have only about 1/4
> of the reading I do here - I am astonished at the heartless way people accuse
> each other of being heartless.
>
> Natalie, I'm going to use you as an example, I hope you don't mind. You and I
> know that it doesn't mean you have any corner on egregious flaming.
>
> You got exasperated with Doris, who has been very consistent in hinting that you
> (and I) are not true Americans, don't love America, should go someplace else,
> don't deserve the benefits of America, etc. ad nauseum. When you got totally fed
> up, you said Doris said "Heil Dubya!". It's an extremely evocative - and
> provocative - phrase - and it's no surprise you got called on it, because
>
> saying Doris says "Heil Dubya"
> is  the same kind of personal attack (in its way) as saying that you and I don't
> deserve to be Americans.
>
> Which, by the way, is a strange way to "bite your lip till it bleeds", Doris.
>
> So Natalie is called on the carpet for using bad language by people who say -
> "what you said is worse than anything Doris has said"
> but it's not. It's the same as what Doris has said, and what Bethany has said,
> and Betty has said, and Tushar has said, and I have said, and Ann has said, and
> Richard has said, and John Williams has said, and Clyde has said. Words-L takes
> a stand that people here may be insensitive and rude to each other. It's the
> same stupid shit over and over again.
>
> You're not going to rise above it. I can see in a short period of time that as
> long as I am on Words-L, I'm going to be called un-American. I'm going to be
> called part of the bobbsey twin set (effectively). I'm going to be called
> shortsighted, opinionated, rude, fawning, moralizing,  a damn Yankee, a leftover
> hippie, and anything else anyone can think of to call me when they need a leg up
> in an argument and a personal attack is easier to formulate than a discussion.
> And don't tell me "oh, not me, I don't do that" You all do it, and you all whine
> when it's done to you.
>
> And <still>, it's a basic principle of American life that speaking out against
> something you are sure is wrong is more American than keeping quiet in order to
> "support the home team".  So be as nasty as you want. I have a delete key too.
>
> clo
>
>


--
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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Rita:
>
>> > NB Rita:  I am not holding against you these weird comments about your
>> > views and list behavior.  I just find them funny.
>>
>>        Me, too.  I'm not sure where I got this great reputation as
>> an innocent, but I do enjoy it.
>
>
> You get a pass on account of being a mom. I remember Doris'
> "you'd understand if you were a mother" remark to Natalie.


        Hmm.  I don't know.  I tend to think it is more of an age
thing.  I think I'm still 22 to a lot of wordslers :).




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:
>
>>I welcome clo also.  But sometimes it doesn't feel very good to have fresh
>>blood see so clearly after a few weeks here and sum up the list with such a
>>harsh eye.
>>
>
> I thought it was pretty clever, worthy of somebody in a huge swarmy
> buzzing family, to pre-empt denial by the criticized parties.
>
> But then Doris went ahead and denied!  Doris is my hero!
>
> I think Fresh Blood has a very clear take on her own reactions, but isn't
> so clear on particular people.  I think she reads into Doris the mindset
> of other people Fresh Blood knows better, for example; she makes Doris
> into a stereotype, which I don't think Doris is.


        And a lot of the name calling is really a ritualized way of
speaking to one another -- not actual animosity.  Sometimes
it is animosity, of course, but not nearly as much as it
used to be.  Wordslers ripped me a new asshole many-a-times.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
>
>>>>I am disillusioned beyond words.  Doris was one of my heroes.
>>>>
>>>She's still one of mine.
>>>
>>I've never considered anyone <my> hero. Does everyone here have heroes?
>>
>>-rashmi
>>
>
> Yes, I have a couple. Sojourner Truth. Ralph Nader,  in a smaller
> way, until he ran for president. Kropotkin; Ferlinghetti; Tolstoy;
> John Woolman.


        Did I ever tell the story of how I "stalked" Ferlinghetti
around the world by complete coincidence just for laughs?


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Doris Markland writes,

>Isn't it strange that this whole situation was not questioned seriously
>long before it was?

I thought it'd been clear for years that kids have been starving while
Saddam has been building palaces and living opulently.

As a total SWAG, I Googled on <iraq starving palaces 1998>, and found for
instance <http://slate.msn.com/id/1008414/>, a story from 2001, which says
in part:

>Whose fault is it? Iraq has long blamed the U.N. sanctions regime, and the
>U.S. State Department has long blamed Saddam Hussein. In a 1996 interview
>with 60 Minutes, then-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright admitted there
>was a "human tragedy" occurring in Iraq. But Albright accused Hussein of
>building 48 presidential palaces since the Gulf War, at a cost of $1.5
>billion. Albright also said that Iraq wanted to import goods such as
>"Italian marble, videos, perfume, leather jackets," and not food and medicine.

Pete

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>
> You get a pass on account of being a mom. I remember Doris'
> "you'd understand if you were a mother" remark to Natalie.
>
> -rashmi

Now I don't remember that or what the
circumstance was.  There are some things
that, no one can deny, are understood only
by mothers, but whether that was one of
them I don't know.  It wasn't labor pains,
was it?  ;-)

                    - D. M.

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>Rita:
>> > NB Rita:  I am not holding against you these weird comments about your
>> > views and list behavior.  I just find them funny.
>>
>>        Me, too.  I'm not sure where I got this great reputation as
>>an innocent, but I do enjoy it.
>
>You get a pass on account of being a mom. I remember Doris'
>"you'd understand if you were a mother" remark to Natalie.
>-rashmi

That doesn't explain why she got a pass from me.  To me the difference
between Natalie and Rita is that Natalie is oh so very indirect in her cuts
and escalations of an argument.  Rita would come right out and say "You
know, Amy, you were dressed like a slut at that gathering."   Whereas,
Natalie will say "I found it so curious that Amy would come to the
gathering dressed like a slut."  And when you call her on it, Natalie goes
all "I was just saying I found it curious."

Some of that is the difference between a Yankee and a Southern Belle.  I
was thinking this morning about the poor Southerner stranded in the Yankee
north who gets no sympathy when, in the meat department of the grocery
store, she remarks to a perfect stranger that she doesn't know what to cook
because her father is dying and she is oh so upset.  The Yankee probably
looked at her and thought "why the hell are you worrying about cooking and
why the hell are you telling me about it."  If she wants sympathy she
should just accost a stranger and say "Please feel sorry for me because my
father is dying."  Leave the cooking part out of it.


    --bonniev

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>
>
>  Wordslers ripped me a new asshole many-a-times.
>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman



Post pictures, please.

              - D. M.

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>        Did I ever tell the story of how I "stalked" Ferlinghetti
>around the world by complete coincidence just for laughs?
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

No you didn't.  Do tell.


    --bonniev

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Doris Markland wrote:

>>
>> Wordslers ripped me a new asshole many-a-times.
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>
>
>
>
> Post pictures, please.
>

        Digital cameras weren't around back then.



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At 12:40 PM 4/20/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:

>All very true.  Probably more danger comes now
>from dissidents and factions and the like.  A strange
>situation for anyone to police.

And it may get worse---cf. the NY Times lead about the Pentagon expecting
to have "long-term access" to four key Iraq bases.  This somehow doesn't
compute with all of the assertions of leaving as soon as there is
stability.  Of course, stability might be in the eye of the beholder.

cwv

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bonniev wrote:

>> good $50 iron.  Hubby says it makes a huge difference.
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> Good to know.  What brand is it?  What features does it have that he
> particularly appreciates?


        Black and Decker.  Rowena irons are very good, too.  It has a
good weight to it and the temperature adjusts quickly.  I
don't find myself going back over stuff -- one pass gets the
wrinkles out.




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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        I think I made 50 pages of To the Lighthouse.  Maybe Proust
>>is *training* for Woolf :).
>>
>>
>
> Then you missed the good part. There's one sentence in TtL that I liked.
> Something like "One night Mr X couldn't sleep and put out his arms to his
> wife, but she wasn't there - she had died the winter before". (Well, I
> read it 20 years ago, sorry for imprecision). I liked the lack of
> exposition, the suddenness of it, and thought that must be how it seemed
> to him in a half-asleep state - as if the loss had suddenly taken place
> just this minute, but six months or so in the past.


        That is a very good line.



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Rashmi Murthy writes,

>THE rescue of Private Jessica Lynch, which inspired America during one of
>the most difficult periods of the war, was not the heroic Hollywood story
>told by the US military, but a staged operation that terrified patients and
>victimised the doctors who had struggled to save her life, according to
>Iraqi witnesses.

Having Special Forces visit your establishment to extract a POW is pretty
much going to be terrifying, no?

What's to fisk?  It doesn't sound inconsistent with the US story, and while
none of it sounds pleasant, it doesn't sound like there were any
atrocities, either.  It's just told from the other side of a tense situation.

It's too bad the ambulance bit didn't work out, if it's true.

Pete

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At 09:54 AM 4/20/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> > Of course it is -- God isn't split; people are.  I consider
> > denominational differences really a matter of style and not
> > theology, as most purport to be.
>
>I think this also, although I realize that there are some theological
>differences.  One reason I like Methodism is that it seems to be a bit
><looser> theologically than some denominations are.  I also think it to
>a large extent about different religions, not just different xtian
>denominations.
>
>I dreamed last night that I was taking communion in a Catholic church in
>Italy.  Weird dream -- just a snippet -- I don't know whether the dream
>was longer than that part.  One weird thing about it was that somehow I
>knew I was in a Catholic church in Italy, yet the way communion was
>being done was a strange sort of combination of Catholic and Methodist
>with some oddities not associated with any communion I know of.  We the
>congregation were kneeling inside the altar area, facing out toward the
>pews.  And a service person, sort of like a waitress, was walking along
>and handing out little sticks of bread and then little cups of wine.
>But at times she would get confused and give somebody the wine cup
>before the bread.
>
>I love dreams.

I don't like listening to other people talk about their dreams when they
feel as if they have to go into great detail. Sometimes they want to go on
for a long time trying to explain everything when it isn't even real and
then they want to know what you think.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >>        I think I made 50 pages of To the Lighthouse.  Maybe Proust
> >>is *training* for Woolf :).
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Then you missed the good part. There's one sentence in TtL that I liked.
> > Something like "One night Mr X couldn't sleep and put out his arms to his
> > wife, but she wasn't there - she had died the winter before". (Well, I
> > read it 20 years ago, sorry for imprecision). I liked the lack of
> > exposition, the suddenness of it, and thought that must be how it seemed
> > to him in a half-asleep state - as if the loss had suddenly taken place
> > just this minute, but six months or so in the past.
>
>         That is a very good line.

Just shows what time does to memory - I had the time frame all wrong.

"Mr. Ramsay, stumbling along a passage one dark
morning, stretched his arms out, but Mrs. Ramsay
having died rather suddenly the night before, his
arms, though stretched out, remained empty."
(pp 146-147)

clo

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Pete:

>Doris Markland writes,

> >Isn't it strange that this whole situation was not questioned seriously
> >long before it was?

>I thought it'd been clear for years that kids have been starving while
>Saddam has been building palaces and living opulently.

>As a total SWAG, I Googled on <iraq starving palaces 1998>, and found for
>instance <http://slate.msn.com/id/1008414/>, a story from 2001, which says
>in part:
> >Whose fault is it? Iraq has long blamed the U.N. sanctions regime, and
>the
> >U.S. State Department has long blamed Saddam Hussein. In a 1996 interview
> >with 60 Minutes, then-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright admitted
>there
> >was a "human tragedy" occurring in Iraq. But Albright accused Hussein of
> >building 48 presidential palaces since the Gulf War, at a cost of $1.5
> >billion. Albright also said that Iraq wanted to import goods such as
> >"Italian marble, videos, perfume, leather jackets," and not food and
>medicine.

Thanks for posting this, Pete. I'm no CNN viewer but was aware of Saddam's
palaces, atrocities etc back in the early 90s. And French companies were not
the only ones that aided Saddam. Several US companies supplied material and
know-how in his acquisition of chemical, biological WMD.

I understand <realpolitik> that we'll occasionally be in bed with the bad
guys, that OBL and Saddam were our guys for the longest time before
they turned against us. But we never learn the lessons and are now arming
and aiding strongmen in Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan etc without
much scrutiny. Those are pretty shady, unpalatable dudes. Will we ever
break the cycle?

-rashmi

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Rita:

>  Hmm.  I don't know.  I tend to think it is more of an age
>thing.  I think I'm still 22 to a lot of wordslers :).

Don't think those giving you a free ride were wordslurs in 1991.

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Someone asked for a picture of ke and I do not know who it was. Please
advise. I don't have one, but know someone who might. No promises and
don't ask now if it was not you.
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>
>
> I understand <realpolitik> that we'll occasionally be in bed with the
bad
> guys, that OBL and Saddam were our guys for the longest time before
> they turned against us. But we never learn the lessons and are now
arming
> and aiding strongmen in Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan etc without
> much scrutiny. Those are pretty shady, unpalatable dudes. Will we ever
> break the cycle?
>
> -rashmi

Not only that, but how many times have we picked
the wrong guy to run a country when we leave it?

                                    - D. M.

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Pete:

>What's to fisk?  It doesn't sound inconsistent with the US story, and while
>none of it sounds pleasant, it doesn't sound like there were any
>atrocities, either.  It's just told from the other side of a tense
>situation.

I only read the rah-rah version before and this one made it seem much less
heroic.

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My thoughts exactly!  Let's vote on who is the harshest wordsler.

BB

At 01:15 PM 4/20/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>        LOL.  Giggles is enjoying this soooooo much right now, I just
>know it.
>
>Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
>>Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>>
>>>>Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Why do you conclude that the thoughts you list above apply to Doris?
>>>>>For weeks now, anything she's said has been put down by someone on this
>>>>>list. Nothing she's said indicates her opinions about support for Saddam
>>>>>or acceptance of 9/11.
>>>>I conclude it because of this statement:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Doris Markland wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Meanwhile, with all due respect, I am afraid
>>>>>>>you and a few others on this list are very
>>>>>>>much not on our side but on another's.
>>>>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>
>>>>So what do you think that means if not "if you're against the war,
>>>>you're for the enemy"?
>>>But Doris has frequently said she's against war, so where does that put
>>>her if she intended what you think she means?    You constantly
>>>dis-America on this list.  What side does that put you on when you can't
>>>support the American efforts?   Doris never said a word about the enemy
>>>that's your word.  I thought she meant you must be on another side...
>>>rather than on America's side and there's always more than one OR TWO sides.
>>>--
>>>Sylvia Edwards
>>>Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
>>>Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/
>>
>>I'm sorry, but I think that this is really the heart of the problem. If she
>>meant that she was being deliberately and dishonestly insulting, because
>>America's side is that Americans are free to speak their minds and America's
>>side is that presidents and armies can be in the wrong even when they are
>>able
>>to take what they want, and all American citizens have the right to say so if
>>they think so without having their loyalty questioned.
>>
>>It's a basic principle of American life that independent judgment and the
>>personal responsibility to act on one's convictions <must never> be
>>suspended,
>>and that each citizen is <expected> to speak out. So this deference to
>>authority
>>is very problematic. The fact that French, German and Russian citizens and
>>governments happen to agree with those of us who think the government is
>>wrong
>>is irrelevant to this point. It has no bearing on our responsibility as
>>citizens
>>to participate in democracy by speaking out.
>>
>>Natalie often says that she thinks that Americans tend to do shortsighted,
>>selfish things, and that the current government's policies are shortsighted,
>>wrong, perhaps even immoral. But pointing out failings is a good thing
>>when, as
>>in *most but not all of* Natalie's comments, it is pointedly in the
>>context of
>>loving what is good here and wanting us not to let ourselves down or be less
>>than we should/could be.
>>
>>Doris may *say* she's against war, but she also appears to think that
>>independent judgement and the understanding of what's right and wrong must be
>>suspended whenever there is a crisis. I do her the justice to suppose
>>that she
>>would jump to the conclusion that the government must know what it's
>>doing even
>>when appearing to do wrong, even if her son were not involved.
>>
>>Many of us were raised to defer to authority without question; and we
>>also have
>>the experience to know how disastrously, even tragically, we can err by doing
>>so.
>>
>>And yes, Natalie is as mouthy and rude and shortsighted as the rest of us
>>here
>>on the list (Theo excepted because I believe that she has brain damage that
>>causes her outbursts). If I could find a way to filter out the comments that
>>point fingers at each other for being insensitive, I would have only
>>about 1/4
>>of the reading I do here - I am astonished at the heartless way people accuse
>>each other of being heartless.
>>
>>Natalie, I'm going to use you as an example, I hope you don't mind. You and I
>>know that it doesn't mean you have any corner on egregious flaming.
>>
>>You got exasperated with Doris, who has been very consistent in hinting
>>that you
>>(and I) are not true Americans, don't love America, should go someplace else,
>>don't deserve the benefits of America, etc. ad nauseum. When you got
>>totally fed
>>up, you said Doris said "Heil Dubya!". It's an extremely evocative - and
>>provocative - phrase - and it's no surprise you got called on it, because
>>
>>saying Doris says "Heil Dubya"
>>is  the same kind of personal attack (in its way) as saying that you and
>>I don't
>>deserve to be Americans.
>>
>>Which, by the way, is a strange way to "bite your lip till it bleeds", Doris.
>>
>>So Natalie is called on the carpet for using bad language by people who say -
>>"what you said is worse than anything Doris has said"
>>but it's not. It's the same as what Doris has said, and what Bethany has
>>said,
>>and Betty has said, and Tushar has said, and I have said, and Ann has
>>said, and
>>Richard has said, and John Williams has said, and Clyde has said. Words-L
>>takes
>>a stand that people here may be insensitive and rude to each other. It's the
>>same stupid shit over and over again.
>>
>>You're not going to rise above it. I can see in a short period of time
>>that as
>>long as I am on Words-L, I'm going to be called un-American. I'm going to be
>>called part of the bobbsey twin set (effectively). I'm going to be called
>>shortsighted, opinionated, rude, fawning, moralizing,  a damn Yankee, a
>>leftover
>>hippie, and anything else anyone can think of to call me when they need a
>>leg up
>>in an argument and a personal attack is easier to formulate than a
>>discussion.
>>And don't tell me "oh, not me, I don't do that" You all do it, and you
>>all whine
>>when it's done to you.
>>
>>And <still>, it's a basic principle of American life that speaking out
>>against
>>something you are sure is wrong is more American than keeping quiet in
>>order to
>>"support the home team".  So be as nasty as you want. I have a delete key
>>too.
>>
>>clo
>>
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
>picture of ke

No. No. It's picture of ME, ME, not KE.

alyce

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Did you make a yummy Greek meal for Easter?The best Greek Easter dinners
> are Greek-inspired, imo.

Yabbut this is not Greek Easter. It is yet to come.

alyce


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> alyce cresap wrote:
> >
> >picture of ke
>
> No. No. It's picture of ME, ME, not KE.
>
> alyce

I figured it out.  But at first I thought it was Ike.

            - D. m.

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At 12:15 PM 4/20/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>You got exasperated with Doris, who has been very consistent in hinting
>that you (and I) are not true Americans, don't love America, should go
>someplace else, don't deserve the benefits of America, etc. ad nauseum.
>
>-Clo
>
>Of all the things you said, I will isolate only this to
>say I have never said any of the above things nor
>hinted them.  Other things perhaps, but not these
>things.  Don't deserve the benefits?  Go someplace
>else?  Not the way I feel and not my style.
>
>                                  - D. M.

I agree that Doris never said or hinted this.

We have a very happy lab manager since Wednesday.  Her husband came home
from the war!  Her son leaves for boot camp next week though.  He lost his
job so joined the marines.

Betty

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At 01:18 PM 4/20/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>You're not going to rise above it. I can see in a short period of time
>>that as
>>long as I am on Words-L, I'm going to be called un-American. I'm going to be
>>called part of the bobbsey twin set (effectively). I'm going to be called
>>shortsighted, opinionated, rude, fawning, moralizing,  a damn Yankee, a
>>leftover
>>hippie, and anything else anyone can think of to call me when they need a
>>leg up
>>in an argument and a personal attack is easier to formulate than a
>>discussion.
>>And don't tell me "oh, not me, I don't do that" You all do it, and you all
>>whine
>>when it's done to you.         --clo
>
>Who was it that said we needed "fresh blood" on words-l, newbies to join
>the ranks?  Think again.

Clo has been great.  I'm glad she joined us and hope she stays. Weren't you
getting tired of the same old people with the same old posts? Where are the
giants??

B

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> I agree that Doris never said or >
hinted this.

Thanks, Betty . . also Ann.
>
> We have a very happy lab manager since Wednesday.  Her husband came
home
> from the war!  Her son leaves for boot camp next week though.  He lost
his
> job so joined the marines.
>
> Betty

Is that what you call out of the frying pan
into the fire?

                       - D. M.

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At 01:48 PM 4/20/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>bonniev wrote:
>
>>>good $50 iron.  Hubby says it makes a huge difference.
>>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>
>>
>>Good to know.  What brand is it?  What features does it have that he
>>particularly appreciates?
>
>
>        Black and Decker.  Rowena irons are very good, too.  It has a
>good weight to it and the temperature adjusts quickly.  I
>don't find myself going back over stuff -- one pass gets the
>wrinkles out.

You can put pants under the couch cushions and just sit on them for a few
days.  What's an iron?

Betty

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At 03:08 PM 4/20/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> > I agree that Doris never said or >
>hinted this.
>
>Thanks, Betty . . also Ann.
> >
> > We have a very happy lab manager since Wednesday.  Her husband came
>home
> > from the war!  Her son leaves for boot camp next week though.  He lost
>his
> > job so joined the marines.
> >
> > Betty
>
>Is that what you call out of the frying pan
>into the fire?

I don't know but this young man came in and took her out to lunch last week
one day.  He looked sooooooooo young.  Well, he is, of course.  Everyone
looks young to me these days.  The students are starting college younger,
I'm certain.

Betty

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At 04:19 PM 4/20/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>> > I am disillusioned beyond words.  Doris was one of my heroes.
>
>>She's still one of mine.
>
>I've never considered anyone <my> hero. Does everyone here have heroes?

Not real ones. Spiderman was cool.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> At 03:08 PM 4/20/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>
>> > I agree that Doris never said or >
>> hinted this.
>>
>> Thanks, Betty . . also Ann.
>> >
>> > We have a very happy lab manager since Wednesday.  Her husband came
>> home
>> > from the war!  Her son leaves for boot camp next week though.  He lost
>> his
>> > job so joined the marines.
>> >
>> > Betty
>>
>> Is that what you call out of the frying pan
>> into the fire?
>
>
> I don't know but this young man came in and took her out to lunch last week
> one day.  He looked sooooooooo young.  Well, he is, of course.  Everyone
> looks young to me these days.  The students are starting college younger,
> I'm certain.


        And I was noticing how old my students are looking.  My
sophomores have all changed so much since September.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Rita:
>
>>  Hmm.  I don't know.  I tend to think it is more of an age
>> thing.  I think I'm still 22 to a lot of wordslers :).
>
>
> Don't think those giving you a free ride were wordslurs in 1991.


        You're right.


> Did you make a yummy Greek meal for Easter?The best Greek Easter dinners
> are Greek-inspired, imo.


        Nope.  I'm not cooking these days (except for a banana bread
yesterday).  Orthodox Easter isn't until next week, anyway.
  I did chat in Greek a little bit with Sylvia and her
daughter today at church.  One of Sylvia's DIL's is Korean,
so they're having a Greek/Korean meal today, which sounded
just great to me :).  I'll tell you what, those
grandchildren are gorgeous.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > > >Doris Markland wrote:
> > > > > If you are talking about the sanctions, it doesn't
> > > > > seem that they hurt Sadaam at all.  Isn't that strange?
> > > >
> > > >I don't get your point.  Are you suggesting that I think Saddam is
> a
> > > >good guy, that he ran his country benevolently, that he just
> > > ><accidentally> accumulated wealth and lived in oppulence?
> > > >  -- Natalie
> > >
> > > I think Doris makes a good point, if I understand it.   We may be
> wrong in
> > > thinking that little Iraqi children are suffering because the UN
> sanctions
> > > have resulted in no food or clean water for Iraq.  Perhaps there was
> plenty
> >
> > I have never thought that the sanctions were the total problem.  I
> have
> > never thought that Saddam wasn't oppressing his people.  I do think
> the
> > sanctions contributed to the problems, but I don't think they were The
> > Cause.  When I said I didn't get Doris's point, I meant the point of
> her
> > asking "Isn't that strange?"
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Isn't it strange that this whole situation was
> not questioned seriously long before it was?

It was talked about, but I don't find the timing strange of when it
became a big issue.  As somebody pointed out a while back, Saddam was an
easy target to choose for this show on various grounds, one of them
being that he was known to be an oppressor.  That has been emphasized
more and more as the WOMD haven't been found.  So no, I don't see it as
strange.  I guess it could be called strange that the US was Saddam's
buddy back when it was convenient since I don't think he was exactly Mr.
Virtue back then either.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> - have all converged around Bush. (I consider Dubya a term of
> affection but will give up using it if it offends Doris.)

I don't consider the term either a show of affection or a show of
non-affection.  Since he is said to have been called W. by family and
friends, since saying Bush is sometimes confusing because of his father,
and since somehow Dubya looks better to my eyes than W., I find it a
convenient name to use.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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> Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> > - have all converged around Bush. (I consider Dubya a term of
> > affection but will give up using it if it offends Doris.)

It doesn't offend me.  I just said I don't use it.
Although I guess I have used it a time or two
so people would know who I was talking about.


                         - D. M.

            - D. M.

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In a message dated 04/20/2003 10:31:48 AM Central Daylight Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<<
Rabbit and Exotic Mushroom Pot Pie

>>

Is there a non-rabbit version, i.e., can you use chicken?
I like rabbits.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> It's a basic principle of American life that independent judgment and the
> personal responsibility to act on one's convictions <must never> be suspended,
> and that each citizen is <expected> to speak out. So this deference to authority
> is very problematic. The fact that French, German and Russian citizens and
> governments happen to agree with those of us who think the government is wrong
> is irrelevant to this point. It has no bearing on our responsibility as citizens
> to participate in democracy by speaking out.

Well said.

> Natalie often says that she thinks that Americans tend to do shortsighted,
> selfish things, and that the current government's policies are shortsighted,
> wrong, perhaps even immoral.

I agree with your second clause but not with your first clause.  I have
never said that I think "that Americans tend to do shortsighted, selfish
things."  That is something that could no doubt be said about certain
people in all countries.  Your wording above suggests that I have said
it is an American trait or habit.  I do *not* believe that.

> Doris may *say* she's against war, but she also appears to think that
> independent judgement and the understanding of what's right and wrong must be
> suspended whenever there is a crisis.

I have seen this view expressed in editorials, letters to editors, etc.
It's not unique to Doris (and no, I don't mean to suggest that you think
it is).  I don't buy it at all, though.  I do not believe that it is
morally right or good for the country to pretend to support something
that you think is wrong.

> Natalie, I'm going to use you as an example, I hope you don't mind. You and I
> know that it doesn't mean you have any corner on egregious flaming.
>
> You got exasperated with Doris, who has been very consistent in hinting that you
> (and I) are not true Americans, don't love America, should go someplace else,
> don't deserve the benefits of America, etc. ad nauseum. When you got totally fed

I don't mind at all your using me as an example, and I think you have
made some very good points in this posting, but I think in this part you
have confused Doris with Sylvia.  It's Sylvia who seems to think it's up
to her to define what being dis-America or un-America or pro-America
means.  She is the embodiment of some of the cartoons I've seen of a gag
over the mouth of the Statue of Liberty with captions like "Shut up!
Don't Think!  Don't Speak!"  Doris is not like that at all.  My recent
lumping of Doris with the Sylvia ilk was based only on that statement
about being "on another's side" and not "on our side."

> And <still>, it's a basic principle of American life that speaking out against
> something you are sure is wrong is more American than keeping quiet in order to
> "support the home team".

Hear, hear.

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"again, all around" wrote:

> They just unveiled the new statue of Pete.
> He's next to a statue of Jumbo, in a pocket
> park on Bourbon.

You're inspiring me to do some hanging out in NO.  I'm going to have
travel time coming up.  Maybe I'll do that, though I still am not sure
about Spencer-care.

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> In a message dated 04/20/2003 10:31:48 AM Central Daylight Time,
> alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:
>
> <<
> Rabbit and Exotic Mushroom Pot Pie
>
> >>
>
> Is there a non-rabbit version, i.e., can you use chicken?
> I like rabbits.
>
> Evelyn Duncan

Do you mean you like them but don't like to eat them?

I know that I have tasted rabbit at some time in my
life, probably many years ago, and I think only once.
I'm thinking my grandfather brought one home from
hunting in the woods.  Men used to really have this
thing about "providing".

                                           - D. M.

                                  - D. M.

                      - D. M.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> The Gates example is another great example. When did Gates
> become such a huge philanthropist? When his company was
> being so heavily trashed during the lawsuits and it turned out
> that its - and his - images were not as positive as they needed
> to be to fend off consequences he needed to avoid.

There's also the matter of what he was going to do with all those
billions.  And the tax break, though he has enough money not to find
that paying taxes takes food off of his child's plate.  I am not putting
him down for his philanthropy.  I'm all for philanthropy.  I find it
more impressive in cases where the gifts are more of a sacrifice,
though.

Re the rich and the poor, it's not as if there was nobody in between in
Iraq.  I have known middle-classed Iraqis in recent years, whose lives
were far from the palatial style of Saddam but were also far from
poverty-stricken.

This is morphing away from the main points, though.  Saddam was a mean,
selfish dictator.  He's not the first to have ever lived and surely
won't be the last.  Is the US going to take it upon itself to decide
which ones should be gotten rid of?  Is that why we started this war?
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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> You got exasperated with Doris, who has been very consistent in hinting
> that you (and I) are not true Americans, don't love America, should go
> someplace else, don't deserve the benefits of America, etc. ad nauseum.
>
> -Clo
>
> Of all the things you said, I will isolate only this to
> say I have never said any of the above things nor
> hinted them.  Other things perhaps, but not these
> things.  Don't deserve the benefits?  Go someplace
> else?  Not the way I feel and not my style.

In case my reply a little while ago got lost in the shuffle, let me say
again that I agree with you.  I disagree with Clo's depiction of you and
really do think she must have been thinking of Sylvia.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Is there a non-rabbit version, i.e., can you use chicken?
> I like rabbits.
>
As you must know, I know nothing about cooking, so please use whatever
ingredients you like. But do not hold me responsible for anything that
happens.

alyce

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > Who was it that said we needed "fresh blood" on words-l, newbies to join
> > the ranks?  Think again.
>
> I welcome clo.  Fresh is fresh, even if it has its head up its ass!

I just did a double-take on what Bonnie wrote.  Is it anti-clo?  I find
that weird.  And I don't think clo has her head up her ass.  I think she
made a couple of errors in her assessments of people (including me --
that thing about my thinking Americans tended to be shortsighted etc).
But I find her a welcome burst of fresh air and think she has adapted
quite well in her short time here.

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> > Of all the things you said, I will isolate only this to
> > say I have never said any of the above things nor
> > hinted them.  Other things perhaps, but not these
> > things.  Don't deserve the benefits?  Go someplace
> > else?  Not the way I feel and not my style.
>
> In case my reply a little while ago got lost in the shuffle, let me
say
> again that I agree with you.  I disagree with Clo's depiction of you
and
> really do think she must have been thinking of Sylvia.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Noted, Natalie, and thank you.  No problem.
Not sure about the brush painting Sylvia, though,
but I'm too lazy to go back and look.  I think she
was just being my friend.

                         - D. M.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> I'm still concerned about US troops in Iraq but not as much as
> in the early days of the war when there were so many unknowns.
> My worries were considerably reduced after seeing the inept
> truly pathetic defense put up by Saddam's forces. Glad they turned
> out to be a third-rate woefully unprepared enemy. Guess I have
> more faith in the ability of the Pentagon and the huge
> infrastructure in the Gulf for taking care of the troops.
> I'm still concerned but not as anxious as before.

I was never concerned that we weren't going to win the war pretty
handily and quickly, though I also was relieved that the fighting in
Baghdad didn't turn into the urban street fighting that had been feared
and, of course, that that stuff about The Red Circle and chemical
weapons turned out untrue.

Re "I told you so"ing, one thing about the quick fall of Iraq that the
anti-war protesters could indeed thumb their noses about is the
third-rate, woefully unprepared enemy you mention above.  This is the
country that we were invading because it was a military threat to the
US?

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> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> > Is there a non-rabbit version, i.e., can you use chicken?
> > I like rabbits.
> >
> As you must know, I know nothing about cooking, so please use whatever
> ingredients you like. But do not hold me responsible for anything that
> happens.
>
> alyce

I think you could substitute squirrel.
Or muskrat.  Or badger.  Or possom.
Or racoon.  If you wanted to.

                 - D. M.

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At 05:52 PM 4/20/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> > Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> > > Is there a non-rabbit version, i.e., can you use chicken?
> > > I like rabbits.
> > >
> > As you must know, I know nothing about cooking, so please use whatever
> > ingredients you like. But do not hold me responsible for anything that
> > happens.
> >
> > alyce
>
>I think you could substitute squirrel.
>Or muskrat.  Or badger.  Or possom.
>Or racoon.  If you wanted to.

Cat?

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> At 05:52 PM 4/20/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> > > Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> > > > Is there a non-rabbit version, i.e., can you use chicken?
> > > > I like rabbits.
> > > >
> > > As you must know, I know nothing about cooking, so please use
whatever
> > > ingredients you like. But do not hold me responsible for anything
that
> > > happens.
> > >
> > > alyce
> >
> >I think you could substitute squirrel.
> >Or muskrat.  Or badger.  Or possom.
> >Or racoon.  If you wanted to.
>
> Cat?

Mouse?  (for two)

          - D. M.

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02003-04-20 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
>
> What's to fisk?

What DOES the word mean, by the way? Debunk?

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> of other people Fresh Blood knows better, for example; she makes Doris
> into a stereotype, which I don't think Doris is.

Doris is definitely not a stereotype.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         LOL.  Giggles is enjoying this soooooo much right now, I just
> know it.

Oh yes!

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02003-04-20 | "Espen S. Ore" <espen.ore@NB.NO> writes:
> I get an error message from MySQL-server at this place, but as far as
> I remember on an easter morning and without checking it, Serbian belongs
> to to the South Slavic languages along with Croat, Slovenian (I believe),
> Macedon, Bosnian (in Montenegro the language is either Serbian or
> extrremely close to it) and then I am not sure about Bulgarian but
> believe it comes in here as well. Russian is East Slavic, I believe
> with Ukrainian and White Russian (and maybe Bulgarian here?).

All I want to ask is: is this a proprietary database or can I have
a copy? Actually, let me rephrase it. In the holy name of academic
freedom, WHEN can I have a copy? And furthermore, just what does
Biertischbesserweisserei mean? Thank you!

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bonniev wrote:

> That doesn't explain why she got a pass from me.  To me the difference
> between Natalie and Rita is that Natalie is oh so very indirect in her cuts
> and escalations of an argument.

And that is more "inflammatory"?  I don't see that.

>  Rita would come right out and say "You
> know, Amy, you were dressed like a slut at that gathering."   Whereas,
> Natalie will say "I found it so curious that Amy would come to the
> gathering dressed like a slut."  And when you call her on it, Natalie goes
> all "I was just saying I found it curious."

Well, if my point was that I found it curious, then that was my point.
Why would "goes all" be an apt description of that?

> Some of that is the difference between a Yankee and a Southern Belle.  I
> was thinking this morning about the poor Southerner stranded in the Yankee
> north who gets no sympathy when, in the meat department of the grocery
> store, she remarks to a perfect stranger that she doesn't know what to cook
> because her father is dying and she is oh so upset.  The Yankee probably
> looked at her and thought "why the hell are you worrying about cooking and
> why the hell are you telling me about it."  If she wants sympathy she
> should just accost a stranger and say "Please feel sorry for me because my
> father is dying."  Leave the cooking part out of it.

You are right in this assessment, imho -- right in recognizing the
difference between Yankees and Southerners.  One segment of "American
Tongues," the great videotape I've mentioned many times before, is when
somebody is explaining how Southerners doing something like going to a
bank to borrow money don't just jump right in talking about money --
they first chit-chat a while with the banker.  When I went to get my
home-equity loan (the line-of-credit thing that I haven't used and
should probably dump), I first asked the loan officer if he was kin to
Bob Dylan since his name was Zimmerman.  He said no, but we discussed
Bob Dylan for a while before getting into money talk.  That's just how
it works in this culture.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> that, no one can deny, are understood only
> by mothers, but whether that was one of
> them I don't know.  It wasn't labor pains,
> was it?  ;-)

People who have c-sections aren't real mothers?

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>Words-L takes
>a stand that people here may be insensitive and rude to each other. It's the
>same stupid shit over and over again.

Words fucking- L.

YaY

BB

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Betty wrote:

> for a long time trying to explain everything when it isn't even real and
> then they want to know what you think.

Like talking about novels or movies.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Did you make a yummy Greek meal for Easter?The best Greek Easter dinners
> are Greek-inspired, imo.

But it's still a week away, right?

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At 06:08 PM 4/20/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > for a long time trying to explain everything when it isn't even real and
> > then they want to know what you think.
>
>Like talking about novels or movies.

Not exactly.  Other people can read the same novel or go to the same movie
and then discuss.

Betty

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> >  Rita would come right out and say "You
> > know, Amy, you were dressed like a slut at that gathering."   Whereas,
> > Natalie will say "I found it so curious that Amy would come to the
> > gathering dressed like a slut."  And when you call her on it, Natalie goes
> > all "I was just saying I found it curious."
>
>Well, if my point was that I found it curious, then that was my point.
>Why would "goes all" be an apt description of that?
>  -- Natalie

Yes, you claim that was your point.  And you do not acknowledge or feel
responsible or apologize for the fact that you just slipped in there your
opinion (a potentially very hurtful and negative opinion) that Amy was
dressed like a slut.  It's passive aggressive.  It's indirect.  It's more
inflammatory because it's denied.  When challenged you will say things like
"it's perfectly alright for her to dress that way; I didn't say she
couldn't; I just found it curious" again denying that you've used an
inflammatory, negative,hurtful word like "slut".


    --bonniev

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Noted, Natalie, and thank you.  No problem.
> Not sure about the brush painting Sylvia, though,
> but I'm too lazy to go back and look.  I think she
> was just being my friend.

No, Sylvia has been into her dis-America/un-America/etc attacks for ages
and ages.  Long before this recent thread.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:
>
>
>>that, no one can deny, are understood only
>>by mothers, but whether that was one of
>>them I don't know.  It wasn't labor pains,
>>was it?  ;-)
>>
>
> People who have c-sections aren't real mothers?
>


        Very, very few people are c-sectioned without having labor
first.  And anyway, you have braxton-hicks for weeks and
weeks before the real thing.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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In a message dated 04/20/2003 5:31:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

<<
Do you mean you like them but don't like to eat them?

>>

Yes.  They are pets, not food, to me.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 04/20/2003 5:31:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:
>
> <<
> Do you mean you like them but don't like to eat them?
>
>
>
> Yes.  They are pets, not food, to me.
>


        Ever seen "Roger and Me" ?



--
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Tushar Samant writes,

>What DOES the word mean, by the way? Debunk?

It's come to mean that, but the purer definition, by Eugene Volokh: "The
term refers to Robert Fisk, a journalist who wrote some rather foolish
anti-war stuff, and who in particular wrote a story in which he (1)
recounted how he was beaten by some anti-American Afghan refugees
<http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020527&s=notebook052702fisk>, and (2)
thought they were morally right for doing so. Hence many pro-war blogs --
most famously, InstaPundit -- often use the term "Fisking" figuratively to
mean a thorough and forceful verbal beating of an anti-war, possibly
anti-American, commentator who has richly earned this figurative beating
through his words. Good Fisking tends to be (or at least aim to be) quite
logical, and often quotes the other article in detail, interspersing
criticisms with the original article's text.

Pete

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bonniev wrote:
>
> > >  Rita would come right out and say "You
> > > know, Amy, you were dressed like a slut at that gathering."   Whereas,
> > > Natalie will say "I found it so curious that Amy would come to the
> > > gathering dressed like a slut."  And when you call her on it, Natalie goes
> > > all "I was just saying I found it curious."
> >
> >Well, if my point was that I found it curious, then that was my point.
> >Why would "goes all" be an apt description of that?
> >  -- Natalie
>
> Yes, you claim that was your point.  And you do not acknowledge or feel
> responsible or apologize for the fact that you just slipped in there your
> opinion (a potentially very hurtful and negative opinion) that Amy was
> dressed like a slut.  It's passive aggressive.  It's indirect.  It's more
> inflammatory because it's denied.

Denied??  When have I denied it?  I guess "indirect" doesn't work in
some groups, but I would not have thought Words-L such a group.  Theo
excluded of course, I've never thought that Wordslers needed to have
things spoon-fed -- that they were capable of catching onto subtleties
-- not that what I said about Amy was what I'd call "subtle."  Do not
acknowledge that I said it?  That's bs.  I have acknowledged it every
time the subject has arisen.  I don't feel responsible for saying that
Amy was dressed like a slut?  Of course I do.  I said it.  Apologize for
having said it?  Why?  I can understand saying something in a heated
moment that you might want to apologize for later, but I don't remember
feeling that way about that posting.

>  When challenged you will say things like
> "it's perfectly alright for her to dress that way; I didn't say she
> couldn't; I just found it curious" again denying that you've used an
> inflammatory, negative,hurtful word like "slut".

Yes, it's perfectly ok for somebody to dress as a slut.  Do you
disagree?  And again I will ask:  Where have I denied using an
inflammatory, negative, hurtful word like "slut"?  (Actually, I thought
I'd said "whore," but maybe it was "slut.")  I've denied being
inflammatory in other threads when I was so accused because I really do
like to keep the record straight (e.g., when you accused me of choosing
the word "murder" to be inflammatory when I had in fact not used such a
word).

I don't know exactly what "passive aggressive" means, but I gather that
it has something to do with assuming that the audience has the ability
to understand what is being said without having it stated as if for a
first-grade audience.  Was eighteenth-century English lit passive
aggressive?  Swift was insane, of course, but I'm thinking in more
general terms now.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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In a message dated 04/20/2003 6:37:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<
Ever seen "Roger and Me" ?

>>

No, but I read his book in which he put Arthur Martinez (former
CEO of Sears) into his hall of shame; I wonder what he thinks
of Lacy.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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02003-04-20 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant writes,
>
> >What DOES the word mean, by the way? Debunk?
>
> It's come to mean that, but the purer definition, by Eugene Volokh:
> "The term refers to Robert Fisk, a journalist who wrote some rather
> foolish anti-war stuff, and who in particular wrote a story in which
> he (1) recounted how he was beaten by some anti-American Afghan refugees
> <http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020527&s=notebook052702fisk>, and (2)
> thought they were morally right for doing so. Hence many pro-war blogs --
> most famously, InstaPundit -- often use the term "Fisking" figuratively
> to mean a thorough and forceful verbal beating of an anti-war, possibly
> anti-American, commentator who has richly earned this figurative beating
> through his words. Good Fisking tends to be (or at least aim to be) quite
> logical, and often quotes the other article in detail, interspersing
> criticisms with the original article's text.

Are you using it in your far more approximate sense because it is
a "blogger"'s word?

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Betty wrote:

> >Like talking about novels or movies.
>
> Not exactly.  Other people can read the same novel or go to the same movie
> and then discuss.

Ah so.  Reminds me of the time a friend's son asked his mother if she
had enjoyed the dream they were in the night before.  He was serious.
(He was very young at the time.)

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Very, very few people are c-sectioned without having labor
> first.

Some of my friends/acquaintances have been.  They've scheduled the
deliveries way in advance.

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At 06:37 PM 4/20/2003 -0400, alyce cresap wrote:
>Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> > Is there a non-rabbit version, i.e., can you use chicken?
> > I like rabbits.
> >
>As you must know, I know nothing about cooking, so please use whatever
>ingredients you like. But do not hold me responsible for anything that
>happens.


Tonight we had Tuscan style chicken (close to the version we had on our
first evening at the cooking school).  First, you develop a rub of herbs
(in this case, fresh rosemary and sage), garlic, salt, and a little olive
oil.  I also added a few sprinkles of fresh lemon juice.  Then, you start
the coals.  Then, you rip the backbone out of the chicken (hey, who said
that food prep. couldn't be fun?), rinse it, and remove any tidbits that
offend your aesthetic sense.  When the coals are ready (and 6-8 inches
below the grill), you pat the chicken dry, rub in the herb mixture, and put
it on the grill.  The Tuscan version would have you weight the chicken down
with a brick.  Tuscan bricks are flat and being close to terra cotta, not
terribly dense. I used a 10-inch cast iron frypan.***  Start with the
"open" side down, then once it is nicely browned, turn it to brown the skin
and finish the cooking.

***I had some Cadillac granite bricks ready, but on reflection, I decided
that one of those would be heavy enough to extrude the chicken through the
slots in the grill---great performance art, perhaps, but not good cooking.

cwv

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> > through his words. Good Fisking tends to be (or at least aim to be) quite
> > logical, and often quotes the other article in detail, interspersing
> > criticisms with the original article's text.

I don't know how this word will end up a year from now, but I know how I
HOPE it will end up:  meaning to cut up somebody's piece of writing in
little snippets and make quibbling mincemeat out of the larger piece by
inserting your own heckling comments or whining gripes or topic-warping
diatribes in between.  Here are 2 examples:

http://www.rightwingnews.com/crackpots/fisk.php
http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/archives/000971.html

Ann

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Very, very few people are c-sectioned without having labor
>>first.
>>
>
> Some of my friends/acquaintances have been.  They've scheduled the
> deliveries way in advance.


        Not done anymore except when they know beforehand that
vaginal delivery isn't possible.  Hospitals and doctors are
judged by c-section rates (the lower the better).

        In any case, vaginal delivery isn't any fun, but at least you
can get up and walk around right away.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 04/20/2003 6:37:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> <<
> Ever seen "Roger and Me" ?
>
>
>
> No, but I read his book in which he put Arthur Martinez (former
> CEO of Sears) into his hall of shame; I wonder what he thinks
> of Lacy.


        Did they bop bunnies over the head in the book, too?



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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09:58 20.04.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>         Yes, but it's the only relatively comfortable fabric when my
>> room hits 90+.  I'm very happy that spring has been cool so far.
>
>I've never really noticed that linen is cooler than ordinary cotton.  I
>know it is said to be, of course, and I believe the sayers.  I just
>haven't noticed it personally.

A furriner's question: when you where writing about linen, I was thinking about fabric made from flax, but now it seems you use it for a special kind of cotton.

Confused 'wegian peasant

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In a message dated 04/20/2003 7:12:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<
Did they bop bunnies over the head in the book, too?

>>

I'll have to see if I still have the book.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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11:29 20.04.2003 -0400 skrev alyce cresap:
>Rabbit and Exotic Mushroom Pot Pie
>Recipe courtesy Gloria Ciccarone-Nehls

This looks delicious but for various reasons we are not cooking rabbit here. But we have, full of guilt, eaten it away from home.

Espen

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

> >I've never really noticed that linen is cooler than ordinary cotton.  I
> >know it is said to be, of course, and I believe the sayers.  I just
> >haven't noticed it personally.
>
> A furriner's question: when you where writing about linen, I was thinking about fabric made from flax, but now it seems you use it for a special kind of cotton.

I'm not much into fabric descriptions/knowledge, but yes -- linen is
made from flax, I think.  I bet my reference to "than ordinary cotton"
is what caused your confusion.  I didn't mean that linen was a special
kind of cotton.  I said "ordinary cotton" because I really don't
understand the various kinds of cotton or cotton-based things
available.  There are cotton corduroy, cotton flannel, all kinds of
fabrics that include the word "cotton."  By "ordinary cotton" I meant
something like a t-shirt that says "100% cotton."

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>
> > that, no one can deny, are understood only
> > by mothers, but whether that was one of
> > them I don't know.  It wasn't labor pains,
> > was it?  ;-)
>
> People who have c-sections aren't real mothers?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Not so.  They have their own version of what
they went through.

                               - D. M.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> "Espen S. Ore" wrote:
>
>
>>>I've never really noticed that linen is cooler than ordinary cotton.  I
>>>know it is said to be, of course, and I believe the sayers.  I just
>>>haven't noticed it personally.
>>>
>>A furriner's question: when you where writing about linen, I was thinking about fabric made from flax, but now it seems you use it for a special kind of cotton.
>>
>
> I'm not much into fabric descriptions/knowledge, but yes -- linen is
> made from flax, I think.  I bet my reference to "than ordinary cotton"
> is what caused your confusion.  I didn't mean that linen was a special
> kind of cotton.  I said "ordinary cotton" because I really don't
> understand the various kinds of cotton or cotton-based things
> available.  There are cotton corduroy, cotton flannel, all kinds of
> fabrics that include the word "cotton."  By "ordinary cotton" I meant
> something like a t-shirt that says "100% cotton."


        I find it very weird that you don't know stuff about cotton.

        Usually it's a cotton/linen blend, I think.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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I'm back. Anyone care to offer a synopsis of what I missed so I don't have
to RTFA?

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18:02 20.04.2003 -0500 skrev Tushar Samant:
>02003-04-20 | "Espen S. Ore" <espen.ore@NB.NO> writes:
>> I get an error message from MySQL-server at this place, but as far as
>> I remember on an easter morning and without checking it, Serbian belongs
>> to to the South Slavic languages along with Croat, Slovenian (I believe),
>> Macedon, Bosnian (in Montenegro the language is either Serbian or
>> extrremely close to it) and then I am not sure about Bulgarian but
>> believe it comes in here as well. Russian is East Slavic, I believe
>> with Ukrainian and White Russian (and maybe Bulgarian here?).
>
>All I want to ask is: is this a proprietary database or can I have
>a copy? Actually, let me rephrase it. In the holy name of academic
>freedom, WHEN can I have a copy? And furthermore, just what does
>Biertischbesserweisserei mean? Thank you!

?? The error message came from following a URL you placed in your message:

>kind of knew that ... anyhow I would REALLY like to know
>what this book is about (hit #1 on google):
><http://www.yu4you.com/artikal.php?vrsta=7&id=2625&lang=sr>


Espen

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Why are you online in the wee hours?

--
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20:52 20.04.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Why are you online in the wee hours?

Can't sleep.

With no connection as far as I know: earlier today we went south about 50 miles from Oslo to where EdvardMunch had a summer house for many years and where quite a few paintings are painted or where the place appear in paintings made later.

Espen

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Alyce:

> > Did you make a yummy Greek meal for Easter?The best Greek Easter dinners
> > are Greek-inspired, imo.

>Yabbut this is not Greek Easter. It is yet to come.

Yep. For some reason (musta been the mention of Easter eggs) I thought
both Easters were celebrated in the Chapman household.

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> > What's to fisk?

>What DOES the word mean, by the way? Debunk?

To write a parasitic blog (imo).

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:
> >Why are you online in the wee hours?
>
> Can't sleep.

Be of good cheer.  It's almost getting-up time there.  I love getting-up
time, as I think we've discussed many times before.  Since it's almost 4
a.m. there, you can forget sleeping anymore and welcome the new day.
That's my dividing line -- 4 a.m.  I don't allow myself to get up before
4 except in really odd situations.  But 4 is fair game.

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AnnB re: Fisk (v)

>I don't know how this word will end up a year from now, but I know how I
>HOPE it will end up:  meaning to cut up somebody's piece of writing in
>little snippets and make quibbling mincemeat out of the larger piece by
>inserting your own heckling comments or whining gripes or topic-warping
>diatribes in between.

You don't have to wait a year. It means this now.

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Doris:
> > - have all converged around Bush. (I consider Dubya a term of
> > affection but will give up using it if it offends Doris.)

>It doesn't offend me.  I just said I don't use it.
>Although I guess I have used it a time or two
>so people would know who I was talking about.

I was clarifying because of the knee-jerk reactions to Shrub on this
service. I don't use that but think Dubya is non-deragatory.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Yep. For some reason (musta been the mention of Easter eggs) I thought
> both Easters were celebrated in the Chapman household.

Wouldn't you love to be a child again, waking up to a basket of Easter
eggs under your bed?  I would.  I realize, of course, that people's
traditions vary -- that not all Easter-celebrating homes do/did it the
same way.  In my family we had Easter baskets under our beds upon waking
up on Easter -- baskets full of dyed eggs.  I don't remember things that
I think are now associated with Easter like candy and stuff.  We had
only dyed eggs.  And new clothes to wear to church that day, of course.
And in later childhood we sometimes had ducks or chickens, which we
played with for a week or so and then donated to the Jackson Zoo when
they reached puberty or whatever it was that made them lose their infant
fluff and start developing feathers.

I'm suddenly remembering how my daddy loved hearing me play "Easter
Parade" on the piano.  It's very weird that I've been flooded with
memories of Daddy since my mother died.

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20:59 20.04.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>"Espen S. Ore" wrote:
>> >Why are you online in the wee hours?
>>
>> Can't sleep.
>
>Be of good cheer.  It's almost getting-up time there.  I love getting-up
>time, as I think we've discussed many times before.  Since it's almost 4
>a.m. there, you can forget sleeping anymore and welcome the new day.
>That's my dividing line -- 4 a.m.  I don't allow myself to get up before
>4 except in really odd situations.  But 4 is fair game.

Thank you - it should be dawn soon. Maybe I should make a pot of tea.

Espen

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> To write a parasitic blog (imo).

Speaking of blogs, I've been rethinking.  I've said before that I find
them somehow presumptious or bumptious or whatever -- like you think
people out there in the world care about your thoughts.  But what I've
been thinking is how a blog might consist mainly of links.  I frequently
read news stories or editorials or whatever in various sources that I
find interesting and want to recommend to others (which I sometimes do
on Words-L).  Could a blog be simply a compilation of interesting urls,
something that somebody might stumble upon when googling for something
and find useful?

So if I wanted to do something like that, would I need official blog
software?  One thing I think I've said before is that I don't really see
how blogs are different from ordinary webpages.  Like couldn't I just
have an ordinary webpage dedicated to bloggishness?  What's different
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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

> Thank you - it should be dawn soon. Maybe I should make a pot of tea.

Good idea!  Have a blessed Monday!  (Have we discussed the "be blessed"
parting greetings here?  I think we have.  I've been hearing it for a
good many years now, but it seems to have grown enormously.)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Noted, Natalie, and thank you.  No problem.
> > Not sure about the brush painting Sylvia, though,
> > but I'm too lazy to go back and look.  I think she
> > was just being my friend.
>
> No, Sylvia has been into her dis-America/un-America/etc attacks for ages
> and ages.  Long before this recent thread.

Only in your mind, Natalie.  Only in your weird twisted mind.  You have
NO clue what I think about the war situation.  You decided what I
thought and made sure everyone knew what you thought I thought. .
Enough.  How would Clo know what I think?  I've not been saying much in
past few weeks.

I do think you bitch and moan constantly about things in this country,
but that's your right. Have at it, for all the good it does.

--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > I'm not much into fabric descriptions/knowledge, but yes -- linen is
> > made from flax, I think.  I bet my reference to "than ordinary cotton"
> > is what caused your confusion.  I didn't mean that linen was a special
> > kind of cotton.  I said "ordinary cotton" because I really don't
> > understand the various kinds of cotton or cotton-based things
> > available.  There are cotton corduroy, cotton flannel, all kinds of
> > fabrics that include the word "cotton."  By "ordinary cotton" I meant
> > something like a t-shirt that says "100% cotton."
>
>         I find it very weird that you don't know stuff about cotton.
>
>         Usually it's a cotton/linen blend, I think.

It what is usually a cotton/linen blend?  And why do you find it very
weird that I don't know stuff about cotton?  I know some stuff about
cotton.  I can tell you in very general terms about the cottonseed
business, since that's what my father was in.  But I wasn't intimate
with the process.  (I really, really wanted to play in the huge piles of
cottonseed in the seed house but was not allowed to since it was deemed
dangerous by Daddy.)  None of that had to do with turning cotton into
clothes.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> I'm back. Anyone care to offer a synopsis of what I missed so I don't have
> to RTFA?

It's past my bedtime, and the coming week is going to be a bitch.  So I
can't do justice to this topic.  I need sleep.  A very few highlights:
Doug got sick while visiting Alyce -- he's surely going to be ok, but it
screwed up lots of things for them; Clo did an interesting analysis of
list people, off the mark in some details but showing great progress for
a beginner; Virginia Wolf has written a good sentence; Espen is up early
and surely by now drinking tea to welcome the Monday morning.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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'rkin:
>inserting your own heckling comments or
>whining gripes or topic-warping diatribes

Back when that was funny, they called it MST.

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> > No, Sylvia has been into her dis-America/un-America/etc attacks for ages
> > and ages.  Long before this recent thread.
>
> Only in your mind, Natalie.  Only in your weird twisted mind.  You have
> NO clue what I think about the war situation.  You decided what I
> thought and made sure everyone knew what you thought I thought.

Huh?  I don't know what you think about the war.  Nothing in what I
wrote above suggests that I do know.  All I know is that you have sniped
and sniped and sniped for ages about un-America, dis-America, etc.  I
thank the gopods that you are not in charge of who is or isn't declared
pro-America, which I very much am.

> Enough.  How would Clo know what I think?  I've not been saying much in
> past few weeks.

That is exactly why I thought Clo might have been confusing identities.
You have been quiet lately, meaning Clo would know little about you.
Suddenly today (or yesterday) you popped in with another one of your
tiresome ramblings about who is or isn't dis-America or un-America or
whatever.  Since it was in the midst of the discussion with Doris, I
thought it possible that Clo had linked your comments with Doris
somehow.  What Clo said (erroneously) about Doris fit you to a tee.

> I do think you bitch and moan constantly about things in this country,
> but that's your right. Have at it, for all the good it does.

You can think whatever you want.  Have at it, for all the good it does.
I find your views quite stupid, but it is your right to spew them forth.

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21:18 20.04.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>"Espen S. Ore" wrote:
>
>> Thank you - it should be dawn soon. Maybe I should make a pot of tea.
>
>Good idea!  Have a blessed Monday!  (Have we discussed the "be blessed"
>parting greetings here?  I think we have.  I've been hearing it for a
>good many years now, but it seems to have grown enormously.)

Thank you in any case - this is a holiday here: in Easter Norway closes down in the early afternoon Wednesday in the Easter week and only opens up on Tuesday next week (tomorrow). This also means that newspapers are not coming out for almost a week, and in a time before mobile phones etc. this meant that it was possible for some leftwingers in the Labour party to organize a group of party members to sign a document against NATO before anyone knew what was up. (Quite a lot of people would be in vacation homes, hotels, whatever in the mountains for Easter, as they are these years still.) This happened in 1959 or thereabout, though.

Espen

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Natalie, YOU are the ONLY one I've sniped at about being dis-American
and that's because you persistently diss America and you are proud of
that.  So be it.

  IF you don't know my views, how do you know they are stupid?


Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>
> > > No, Sylvia has been into her dis-America/un-America/etc attacks for ages
> > > and ages.  Long before this recent thread.
> >
> > Only in your mind, Natalie.  Only in your weird twisted mind.  You have
> > NO clue what I think about the war situation.  You decided what I
> > thought and made sure everyone knew what you thought I thought.
>
> Huh?  I don't know what you think about the war.  Nothing in what I
> wrote above suggests that I do know.  All I know is that you have sniped
> and sniped and sniped for ages about un-America, dis-America, etc.  I
> thank the gopods that you are not in charge of who is or isn't declared
> pro-America, which I very much am.
>
> > Enough.  How would Clo know what I think?  I've not been saying much in
> > past few weeks.
>
> That is exactly why I thought Clo might have been confusing identities.
> You have been quiet lately, meaning Clo would know little about you.
> Suddenly today (or yesterday) you popped in with another one of your
> tiresome ramblings about who is or isn't dis-America or un-America or
> whatever.  Since it was in the midst of the discussion with Doris, I
> thought it possible that Clo had linked your comments with Doris
> somehow.  What Clo said (erroneously) about Doris fit you to a tee.
>
> > I do think you bitch and moan constantly about things in this country,
> > but that's your right. Have at it, for all the good it does.
>
> You can think whatever you want.  Have at it, for all the good it does.
> I find your views quite stupid, but it is your right to spew them forth.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


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At 03:56 AM 4/21/2003 +0200, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>20:52 20.04.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
> >Why are you online in the wee hours?
>
>Can't sleep.
>
>With no connection as far as I know: earlier today we went south about 50
>miles from Oslo to where EdvardMunch had a summer house for many years and
>where quite a few paintings are painted or where the place appear in
>paintings made later.

Did you take photos?

Betty

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20:25 20.04.2003 -0700 skrev Betty:
>At 03:56 AM 4/21/2003 +0200, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>>20:52 20.04.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>>>Why are you online in the wee hours?
>>
>>Can't sleep.
>>
>>With no connection as far as I know: earlier today we went south about 50
>>miles from Oslo to where EdvardMunch had a summer house for many years and
>>where quite a few paintings are painted or where the place appear in
>>paintings made later.
>
>Did you take photos?

No - instead we browsed through a couple of books we have on Munch's life with old photos (and copies of some of the paintings). But we might go back there and swim when the water temperatur has at least entered two digits. (Although there were some children swimming - while people there with north slope lawns where spending the day diugging away the snow.)

Espen

Espen

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>Thank you in any case - this is a holiday here: in Easter Norway closes
down in the early afternoon Wednesday in the Easter week and only opens up
on Tuesday next week (tomorrow).

>Espen

Yes -- same in St. Thomas (and well as the environs). I was just reminiscing
to this effect. A nice break, indeed, for many. (Except, of course, for
those working in the tourism industry.)

AS, off to Cumberland Falls for a couple of days (for the first time) to a
conference. The route:

http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/maproute?t=d&id=ED08579788273819634

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Tushar Samant writes,

>Are you using it in your far more approximate sense because it is
>a "blogger"'s word?

No, because other people have used it that way.

Here's another meaning, derived separately, in the Irish Independent,
2001-11-25
<http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=36&si=645627&issue_id=6460>
or <http://tinyurl.com/9y1c> (invasive registration required, sorry):

>Fisking takes two forms, political and psychological. Political fisking
>means following the political line of Robert Fisk no matter what the
>facts.  [...]  Psychological fisking is far more complex. It takes the
>form of sullen denial when the facts fail to support an anti-American
>analysis.

Pete

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>So if I wanted to do something like that, would I need official blog
>software?  One thing I think I've said before is that I don't really see
>how blogs are different from ordinary webpages.  Like couldn't I just
>have an ordinary webpage dedicated to bloggishness?  What's different
>about official blogs?

They manage the pages for you, freeing you from a fairly simple, menial
task of rotating pages, keeping archives, etc.

You'd be a great blogger (although your writing would be better than just
URLs, but shake your own goat).  Go to Blogger, click the "Start Now!"
button (or sign up), then make a new blog.  It's probably easier to pick
"Host it at BlogSpot", and later you can change to "FTP it to your own
server".  It's easy, and fun.

Pete

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Sharon Ziperovich writes,

>It's tempting since I'm so few up with the travel people, but I'm not
>wealthy enough to pay $500 just to avoid annoyance.

Sometimes you can get cheaper than Hotwire at Priceline.  $500 is a bit of
a stretch, but it's worth a try.

Pete

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> 02003-04-21 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Why would you want them?  What would you do with them?
>
> For instance: put a copy on another medium and make it
> available. Make retrieval and copying "easier" and more
> durable. The rough principle is that storage, transfer,
> and publishing of this stuff is getting cheaper and
> cheaper, so why not do it. Somebody's going to find
> a novel use for them, whatever state they are in. The
> main thing is to make it widely available.
>
> This is just "for instance", mind ...

Good point.  A couple of them I gave to the Center for Applied
Linguistics many years ago.  Somebody there did transcripts that were
godawfully horrible, which led me to spend a whole weekend correcting
parts of the transcripts, voluntarily but with a profuse thank-you from
CAL.  Some or all of the former-slave tapes I discovered in the LC have
been put online in recent years, but not the Mississippi/Texas '80s
tapes.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 08:03 PM 4/21/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Interesting stuff.  I want to know what Bad Betty thinks about it.

I deleted it unread.

Betty

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This very funny writer should be read more. Here is an excerpt from
one of his columns (which was probably written under the influence).
Enjoy the amazing ear for cliches and the gradual acceleration, and
the picture of pompous desiccated speakers jawing and the intelligent,
cynical crowd ...


Next speech, next speech, please. Clapping. Old slow senile chairman. An
hour standing up and another hour sitting down again. That cold whipping
wind, you could get your death here, I was lost without that glass of malt,
it's always safer to have something warm under the belt when you're above
on the platform. Thin sullen crowd. Here only because there's no picture
on Sunday. Next speech.

Yields to no man in his respect for last speaker. While the integrity
of his outlook, his fine national record, the lucidity of his thought
and his ability to marshal facts must needs command respect, nevertheless,
ventures with all due humility, to voice some small doubts as to the
ultimate expediency of many of his more radical proposals. Turn to
question of Irish language. Always made it a point to keep an open
mind. Not out of place to remark spoke it at a time when it was neither
profitable nor popular. (Cheers.) But cultural movements dwarfed by
present world events. Considered opinion that we are witnessing titanic
struggle between forces of good and evil, the end of which no man can
foresee and few could be so foolhardy as to predict. Young men, aye,
and young women leaving the country in ever-increasing numbers, drain
on our national resources. Behoves us to move with caution. Something
must be done; words not enough; promises not enough. Country calls for
action on part of Government. Only most drastic curtailment essential
services, elimination unnecessary luxuries, cutting our organization
to the bone, reduce overheads, stringent regulations, mobilise country's
resources, paramount importance of agricultural industry, community
must stand shoulder to shoulder in hour of peril.

Next speech. Hurry please. Get this thing over. A drunk on our left
trying to heckle. A rossiner wouldn't be bad, have a double one after
this. Next please.

Much pleasure rise speak today this distinguished gathering; particularly
on same platform last speaker. Last time we spoke together great Longford
Rally 1829; doubtless he's forgotten. We've gone our different ways since
then. Suppose no two men in the country more representative divergent poles
political thought. Not what came here to say. Came say few words present
crisis dark clouds lowering over fair face this country poverty unemployment
transport problems turf hunger; country never greater danger. But spirit
Irish people will prevail as ever, come to top. Only solution to problems
before us is serious interest revival tongue our fathers spoke. Great
revival work must go on. National heritage, nothing worth having left
if not saved, receding rapidly in west. Save ere it is too long, only
badge of true nationhood.

(Loud mad frenzied cheering.)

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02003-04-21 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 08:03 PM 4/21/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >Interesting stuff.  I want to know what Bad Betty thinks about it.
>
> I deleted it unread.

Wow, the red hat photo seems to have disappeared mysteriously
from the words-l site!

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02003-04-21 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> The other recent time I remember having a dream with my mother in
> it was a couple of years ago. It's dorky so I kept it to myself,
> but now I have no shame left ... dorky bec

Whoops, where's the postpone key?

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Yes, signed this last week at the urologists.  I imagine
I'll do it again tomorrow at the d.o.'s.

Doris Markland wrote:

> Some of you are young enough you probably
> don't see a doctor very often.  But if you have
> a doctor or any occasion to be involved with
> medical things you have been or will be
> bombarded with paperwork notifying you of
> the new medical privacy policy.  Ad nauseum.
> I have read and signed several papers signifying
> that I have read the document, but in fact I have
> never read one.  Borrrrring.  Someone had a
> concern, I guess, that our rights might be
> lost re medical privacy.
>
> So it strikes me funny that a headline tonight is
> "Greenspan to have prostate surgery."
>
>             - D. M.
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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02003-04-21 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> "Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
> > >Isn't it kind of no-class to berate someone who you think
> > >is "mentally sick"? Shut up and let it blow over ...
> >
> > I was angry. I spoke.  Flog me and spank me.
>
> Done

Who axed you?

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At 12:50 PM 4/21/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
>1- Last Saturday I vacuumed the interior my car and cleaned and condition
>the leather seats.
>
>2 - Also last saturday I ran outside for the first time since September. I
>was pathetically slow, running 3 miles at about a 12 minute mile pace.
>
>3- Last Wednesday we went to our first red sox game of the season. We left
>at the top of the 7th because we were freezing.
>
>4- This weekend I washed and waxed my car.
>
>5- While washing and waxing my car in a t shirt and jeans I earned my first
>sun burn of the year.
>
>6- Easter.
>
>7- The Boston Marathon.
>
>8- Leaving for work without a jacket
>
>9- There's a green aura around everything
>
>10- It's nice and bright out (until tomorrow when the rain returns).
>
>lisa
>who feels much, much better these days

Time to plant tomatoes!!

B

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Evelyn:
> Or American Airlines (very big employer in Tulsa).

...but maybe not for much longer.

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At 10:27 AM 4/19/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>What happens to me at home
>
>Much deleted......
>
>I hope y'all are having as much fun as I am today!
>
>clo

That was very funny. Thanks, I needed Monday morning.


alec

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > You never play with your dogs?
> >
>         Yes, but I don't get rid of them when they're no longer cute

I can't imagine an uncute dog.

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On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> If you really want to get rid of the tapes, let's take some time
>> and make a systematic plan. I am interested--layman interested,
>> of course, but sufficiently interested--in the topic.
>
>I do want to get rid of them.

I'ma give mine to Labov to use in his ongoing studies at U PA. He has the
resouces to house them care for them properly, have them transcribed,
analyzed, etc.

Bethany

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At 09:58 PM 4/21/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 06:05 PM 4/21/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>
>>HIPAA rules!
>
>How has affected you and your group?  Many significant changes in the way
>you (NPI) operate?
>
>cwv

It's affecting everyone and there is more to come. This first part that
went into affect April 15 was just the notice of privacy and there is
mandatory training of all staff. The University of California has decided
that it wants the same policies for all the campuses so it has become a
<big> deal and very complicated. Everyone has these "Privacy Officers" now
and attorneys will be employed forever interpreting all the
regulations.  It's different for counseling and psychological services, too.

We're trying to keep it as simple as we can.  We have to give the privacy
notification and have the student sign that they read it. It's a one time
thing and only at one point of entry.  They can read the seven page notice
or the two sided plastic encased summary sheet we have available.

Lots of silly stuff, too.  We have to be sure that everything we fax is
going to a "secure" fax machine.  What is a secure fax machine?

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02003-04-21 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Why would you want them?  What would you do with them?

For instance: put a copy on another medium and make it
available. Make retrieval and copying "easier" and more
durable. The rough principle is that storage, transfer,
and publishing of this stuff is getting cheaper and
cheaper, so why not do it. Somebody's going to find
a novel use for them, whatever state they are in. The
main thing is to make it widely available.

This is just "for instance", mind ...

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > "I'mo" isn't recent.  It's parallel to and contemporaneous with Southern
> > white "amana."
>
> Hm ... Looks like I just wasn't hearing it before, though it was
> all around me. How do you pronounce "amana"? And when would this
> contemporaneous be? The 50s? The 20s? The 1880s?

Amana is [am[schwa]n[schwa].  That [a] means the IPA [a], not what that
[a] represents in some linguistics books -- the IPA lower-case
handwritten a.  Iow, the [a] in amana is like Southern "I" -- the vowel
in "my."  Somewhat (though not exactly) like the French vowel in "la,"
which most English-speakers, including me, don't get quite right.

There's no way to know for sure about the 1880s or even the 1920s.  Even
the '50s are iffy -- as in tapes to prove it, though my memory is that
I'mo and amana have been <normal> throughout my lifetime -- meaning from
1943 until now.

> However, I was not talking about "urban" as used in linguistics.
> When the context is clear, people use urban to mean poor urban
> blacks. It's become a habit, I think.

Yes.  Like "inner-city" and before that "ghetto."

> If you really want to get rid of the tapes, let's take some time
> and make a systematic plan. I am interested--layman interested,
> of course, but sufficiently interested--in the topic.

I do want to get rid of them.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> 02003-04-21 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> > The other recent time I remember having a dream with my mother in
> > it was a couple of years ago. It's dorky so I kept it to myself,
> > but now I have no shame left ... dorky bec
>
> Whoops, where's the postpone key?

Spit it out.  Why was it dorky?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tushar Samant wrote:


> But if the child dares to enter the gate of inferno by asking why,
> then: "I'mo beat your little butt" . . . "Aiight?"
>
> Which is always enough.



I shall use this in class forthwith, Dr. Samant.


> (Note: I am not using "urban" seriously ... we know it's a stupid
> euphemism for lower class, when the context is "black")


And for whites, the euphemism is "working class."




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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > > settings.  If you're interested, I can send you a truckload of taped
> > > interviews that support that theory.  They're still piled in boxes in my
> > > junkroom right now, but I really do need to get rid of them.
> > >
> >
> > If you are serious and he doesn't want them, I do.
>
> I am serious about wanting to get rid of them.  I had been thinking
> about giving them to either the MSU Library special collections or the
> state archives (though the majority of the tapes are from Texas, not
> Mississippi).  But I got busy and didn't pursue that.  Why would you
> want them?  What would you do with them?  They're audiotapes of black
> and white speakers in Texas and Mississippi -- more tapes of black
> speakers than of white speakers and more from Texas than from
> Mississippi.  They're general chit-chat type interviews.  Some of them
> were done by a folklorist in Texas, some by graduate students in
> linguistics at Texas A&M, the Mississippi ones by me.  One problem would
> be the indexing of them.  I no longer have the charts and things I made
> to key the tapes to the kinds of speakers and specific places.  I
> joyously tossed all that stuff into garbage bags when I moved out of my
> office last year.  But I for sure know which ones are in Texas and which
> in Mississippi and remember at least in most cases which of the labels
> on the tapes are names of people and which names of places.  These tapes
> were all made in the early to mid '80s.  (I've also got the slave
> narrative tapes made in the '30s and '40s -- the ones I discovered
> existed at the Library of Congress that were languishing there -- that
> may be one of my very few claims to fame in life -- books have been
> published about those tapes since my discovery of them.)
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Why would I want them? They are the intersection of some
of the most fascinating pieces of linguistics to me: phonology,
folklore, and dialect studies.

I have been fascinated by dialect my whole life. It got honed
when I was a Cued Speech transliterator - my job to transcribe
visually at a crude "phonemic" level the sounds of the speaker,
for the deaf person to decode into spoken language. I had to
deal with accents from all over the place - that's what sent me
back to get the MA in linguistics.

You have an  incredible treasure trove. It doesn't belong with
me - it belongs in a corpus archive. What shape are the tapes
in? Most of the stuff I know degrades in a relatively short
time.

There's an audio archive - Belfer - here at SU, and one of
their audio experts used to be a coworker of mine in
Faculty Computing & Media Svcs, and through him I learned
a smidgen about the issues.
<http://libwww.syr.edu/information/belfer/index.html>


Why would I want them? To hear the differences and try to learn
from them how to listen accurately, to see what's there, to explore
a facet that has held my attention since I first went to visit my
mother's people in North Carolina and encountered "Aunt" Sarah
and "Aunt" Mary, and realized that people who lived 1/2 mile from
each other spoke differently from each other (in some ways) though
they talked together almost daily.

What would I do with them?
Not enough to deserve to have them, I'm sure. Instead of
continuing an impulsive claim, let me say rather -

Do either of those archives have preservation facilities for
audio material? You have a real treasure! It would be really
cool to find some funding to digitize them so other people would
have access to them.

</drool>
clo

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02003-04-21 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 06:34 PM 4/21/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-04-21 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> At 05:54 AM 4/21/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >> >Rita Chapman wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>         Yes, I am often "blessed" by my AA parents.
> >> >
> >> >It definitely seems race-based (as in AA culture, not as in <genes>).
> >> >I'm not sure I've ever heard it from whites.  I hear it mainly when
> >> >leaving stores -- like from cashiers after you've paid and are about to
> >> >leave.
> >>
> >> I thought she was bless by Alcoholic Anonymous parents.
> >
> >I think the inflection "bless" as above is also AA. You are bless!
> >The list needs to be alphabetize! Corn beef sandwich and ice tea!
>
> Bless your heart, OREOTU,

I have mentioned before three significant contractions very likely
innovated by AAV English: "hoydoon?", "mattafact", and the always
useful "knowmsain". There are two, perhaps more recent, locutions
in "contemporary urban AA" English which are appealing for their
radical phonetic simplification: "Aiight?" and "I'mo". For example,
here is the ultimatum issued by a young female urban AA parent to
an unruly child: "STOP".

Which is usually enough ...

But if the child dares to enter the gate of inferno by asking why,
then: "I'mo beat your little butt" . . . "Aiight?"

Which is always enough.

(Note: I am not using "urban" seriously ... we know it's a stupid
euphemism for lower class, when the context is "black")

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02003-04-21 | "Espen S. Ore" <espen.ore@NB.NO> writes:
> 18:02 20.04.2003 -0500 skrev Tushar Samant:
> >02003-04-20 | "Espen S. Ore" <espen.ore@NB.NO> writes:
> >> I get an error message from MySQL-server at this place, but as far as
> >> I remember on an easter morning and without checking it, Serbian belongs
> >> to to the South Slavic languages along with Croat, Slovenian (I believe),
> >> Macedon, Bosnian (in Montenegro the language is either Serbian or
> >> extrremely close to it) and then I am not sure about Bulgarian but
> >> believe it comes in here as well. Russian is East Slavic, I believe
> >> with Ukrainian and White Russian (and maybe Bulgarian here?).
> >
> >All I want to ask is: is this a proprietary database or can I have
> >a copy? Actually, let me rephrase it. In the holy name of academic
> >freedom, WHEN can I have a copy? And furthermore, just what does
> >Biertischbesserweisserei mean? Thank you!
>
> ?? The error message came from following a URL you placed in your message:

Oh. I thought there was a database you consult for language genealogies.
It would be nice to be able to do that on a daily basis ...

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > I have mentioned before three significant contractions very likely
> > innovated by AAV English: "hoydoon?", "mattafact", and the always
> > useful "knowmsain". There are two, perhaps more recent, locutions
> > in "contemporary urban AA" English which are appealing for their
> > radical phonetic simplification: "Aiight?" and "I'mo". For example,
>
> "I'mo" isn't recent.  It's parallel to and contemporaneous with Southern
> white "amana."
>
> > (Note: I am not using "urban" seriously ... we know it's a stupid
> > euphemism for lower class, when the context is "black")
>
> "Urban" isn't necessarily a stupid euphemism for anything in the context
> of "black."   It can be significant in linguistic studies since
> innovation is often urban.  Invariant "be" among AAVE speakers almost
> certainly started being refined (as in not just random) in urban
> settings.  If you're interested, I can send you a truckload of taped
> interviews that support that theory.  They're still piled in boxes in my
> junkroom right now, but I really do need to get rid of them.
>

If you are serious and he doesn't want them, I do.
clo

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On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:

> >I have looked at the webpages, and the price I get there is about 3 times
> >what the travel agents quote.  I wish I could do online reservations as
> >I'd much rather deal with the software than the agent.  And I usually LIKE
> >people.  Blah!  If the rest of the trip is as hard as making reservations
> >I had better not go.
> >
> >Sharon
>
> Have you tried orbitz as well as hotwire?
>
Hotwire doesn't seem to know that Bangalore exists, but can get me to
Bombay for $500 more than the travel agents.  It's tempting since I'm so
few up with the travel people, but I'm not wealthy enough to pay $500 just
to avoid annoyance.

Sharon

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02003-04-21 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > 02003-04-21 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> > > The other recent time I remember having a dream with my mother in
> > > it was a couple of years ago. It's dorky so I kept it to myself,
> > > but now I have no shame left ... dorky bec
> >
> > Whoops, where's the postpone key?
>
> Spit it out.  Why was it dorky?

Partly because it also involved some girl I was in lurv with. You
will know when you read it. I wanted to postpone it because I have
no "compositional energy" left today.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

>   So yes, they can announce that Greenspan
> is going to have prostate surgery (well actually, if he demurred, they
> couldn't even do that); what they can't do is disclose the results or
> findings of that surgery without his consent.

What about with POTUSes?  I have found it somehow off-putting when
unimportant medical details about the various bodily parts of a POTUS
have been blasted through the newspapers.  Was it Reagan who had
basal-cell carcinomas removed and the press got all <into it>?  Maybe it
was a different POTUS.  In any case, I found that somehow hilarious.

--
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The other recent time I remember having a dream with my mother in
it was a couple of years ago. It's dorky so I kept it to myself,
but now I have no shame left ... dorky bec

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> I have mentioned before three significant contractions very likely
> innovated by AAV English: "hoydoon?", "mattafact", and the always
> useful "knowmsain". There are two, perhaps more recent, locutions
> in "contemporary urban AA" English which are appealing for their
> radical phonetic simplification: "Aiight?" and "I'mo". For example,

"I'mo" isn't recent.  It's parallel to and contemporaneous with Southern
white "amana."

> (Note: I am not using "urban" seriously ... we know it's a stupid
> euphemism for lower class, when the context is "black")

"Urban" isn't necessarily a stupid euphemism for anything in the context
of "black."   It can be significant in linguistic studies since
innovation is often urban.  Invariant "be" among AAVE speakers almost
certainly started being refined (as in not just random) in urban
settings.  If you're interested, I can send you a truckload of taped
interviews that support that theory.  They're still piled in boxes in my
junkroom right now, but I really do need to get rid of them.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> I wish I could help in the slightest way ... I haven't done this
> trip very often, and when I went I simply walked over to this Bengali
> lady's little office on Wabash. I don't know if she has good "juggling"
> abilities, though--the need didn't arise. I remember Pete said Hotwire
> works fine? Have you tried it?
>
I've never used Hotwire.  I'll check it out.

Sharon

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Sharon Ziperovich wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I wish I could help in the slightest way ... I haven't done this
> > trip very often, and when I went I simply walked over to this Bengali
> > lady's little office on Wabash. I don't know if she has good "juggling"
> > abilities, though--the need didn't arise. I remember Pete said Hotwire
> > works fine? Have you tried it?
> >
> I've never used Hotwire.  I'll check it out.
>
> Sharon

Check Orbitz.com too - they are a little bit more expensive
than Hotwire (but 10's, not 100's more, in general) but you
get more control over your ticket, and it's a nice interface.

clo

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02003-04-21 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > I have mentioned before three significant contractions very likely
> > innovated by AAV English: "hoydoon?", "mattafact", and the always
> > useful "knowmsain". There are two, perhaps more recent, locutions
> > in "contemporary urban AA" English which are appealing for their
> > radical phonetic simplification: "Aiight?" and "I'mo". For example,
>
> "I'mo" isn't recent.  It's parallel to and contemporaneous with Southern
> white "amana."

Hm ... Looks like I just wasn't hearing it before, though it was
all around me. How do you pronounce "amana"? And when would this
contemporaneous be? The 50s? The 20s? The 1880s?

> > (Note: I am not using "urban" seriously ... we know it's a stupid
> > euphemism for lower class, when the context is "black")
>
> "Urban" isn't necessarily a stupid euphemism for anything in the context
> of "black."   It can be significant in linguistic studies since
> innovation is often urban.  Invariant "be" among AAVE speakers almost
> certainly started being refined (as in not just random) in urban
> settings.  If you're interested, I can send you a truckload of taped
> interviews that support that theory.  They're still piled in boxes in my
> junkroom right now, but I really do need to get rid of them.

However, I was not talking about "urban" as used in linguistics.
When the context is clear, people use urban to mean poor urban
blacks. It's become a habit, I think.

If you really want to get rid of the tapes, let's take some time
and make a systematic plan. I am interested--layman interested,
of course, but sufficiently interested--in the topic.

Man, this "after I get my papers" is going to be one hell of a
busy time ...

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At 06:05 PM 4/21/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:

>HIPAA rules!

How has affected you and your group?  Many significant changes in the way
you (NPI) operate?

cwv

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> 02003-04-21 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > What kind of clock does it use?  I just looked at the stuff I wrote
> > after the earlier stuff got screwed up and noticed that it's claiming I
> > wrote it at 4:50 p.m.  I can't remember the precise minute, but I know
> > that it was getting on toward 7 p.m.  I'm guessing from this that
> > Blogger observes California time.  Right?
>
> ENJOY THE EVENING AT ONCE!

Oh, but I am.  This is a very pleasant evening.  But I like for times to
be accounted for.  I dislike sloppiness.  If blogspot is operating on
Pacific time, I think it should add that to the time stamp.  I'd really
prefer, though, for it to stamp the time of the time zone of the sender.

Did I mention how befuddled I was for a few minutes one day last week
when I saw something I had posted in the earlyish a.m. saying that I
needed to turn off the computer and get ready for work and it had a time
stamp of something like 7:15?  I knew that was crazy since I knew I had
written that at about 6:15.  I realized then what the problem was.  It
was something I had sent to the list via a website -- one of those
"Natalie thinks you might be interested in reading this" things, with a
space for me to write comments, which is where I commented about the
time.  But obviously it was sent from Eastern time.

Shall we again discuss my belief that time zones should be abolished?

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02003-04-21 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-04-20 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > > On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > > 02003-04-19 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > > > > It seems to me that a Tibetan monk, having been trained to focus,
> > > > > would indeed be good at detecting micro-expressions.  It would also
> > > > > seem, though, that to correlate any one or group of such expressions
> > > > > with falsehood would require considerable experience with liars---
> > > > > something one wouldn't expect of a Tibetan monk.
> > > >
> > > > So, don't you think you are holding the thing by the wrong end?
> > > > Can anyone "detect" a meaningless micro-expression and then learn
> > > > to "correlate" it with a meaning?
> > >
> > > My stbex can, that's for sure. Meaning is in the mind of the beholder, in
> > > that case.
>
> > Please! Let us stick to the subject if we could, heh! I am making
> > the 100% philosophical statement that a micro-expression without
> > a meaning is not a detectable micro-expression. Hence, any theory
> > which starts with a Tibetan monk good at "detecting" tons of micro-
> > expressions, and needing parallel data about falsehoods etc to
> > "correlate" with his "readings" is a doomed theory.
>
> My point is that meaning is assigned by the observer rather than
> the observed. Any movement that is observable or inferrable may
> have a meaning ascribed to it and so be taken as a micro-expression.

I think that's straying from the topic, though it's doubtless true.
One may also ask, aren't all meanings pretty much "assigned by the
observer"?

> > > An alternate theory -
> > >
> > > Suppose you live in a micro-culture where expression of strong emotion is
> > > not encouraged, and yet you live with human beings with ordinary capacity
> > > to become irritated, etc. Might it not lead you to develop a sensitivity
> > > to those clues that remain (micro-expressions)?
> >
> > Much more likely. Still, lying is a different kind of beast from
> > an emotion.
>
> Whoo, if that were true, why would polygraphs be even marginally
> effective?

Because lying and certain types of emotions have similar physiological
effects.

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In a message dated 04/21/2003 7:34:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
clostran@SYR.EDU writes:

<<
I'm frankly good with that if it means that they won't lose the stuff.

>>

When my sister was born back in 1957, the hospital lost her
records.  When she went there in 1977 to have her first child,
they again lost her records.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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At 06:40 PM 4/21/2003 -0700, Sharon Ziperovich wrote:
>On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > How about the airline webpages?  They seem quite good to me.
>
>I have looked at the webpages, and the price I get there is about 3 times
>what the travel agents quote.  I wish I could do online reservations as
>I'd much rather deal with the software than the agent.  And I usually LIKE
>people.  Blah!  If the rest of the trip is as hard as making reservations
>I had better not go.
>
>Sharon

Have you tried orbitz as well as hotwire?

Betty

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > settings.  If you're interested, I can send you a truckload of taped
> > interviews that support that theory.  They're still piled in boxes in my
> > junkroom right now, but I really do need to get rid of them.
> >
>
> If you are serious and he doesn't want them, I do.

I am serious about wanting to get rid of them.  I had been thinking
about giving them to either the MSU Library special collections or the
state archives (though the majority of the tapes are from Texas, not
Mississippi).  But I got busy and didn't pursue that.  Why would you
want them?  What would you do with them?  They're audiotapes of black
and white speakers in Texas and Mississippi -- more tapes of black
speakers than of white speakers and more from Texas than from
Mississippi.  They're general chit-chat type interviews.  Some of them
were done by a folklorist in Texas, some by graduate students in
linguistics at Texas A&M, the Mississippi ones by me.  One problem would
be the indexing of them.  I no longer have the charts and things I made
to key the tapes to the kinds of speakers and specific places.  I
joyously tossed all that stuff into garbage bags when I moved out of my
office last year.  But I for sure know which ones are in Texas and which
in Mississippi and remember at least in most cases which of the labels
on the tapes are names of people and which names of places.  These tapes
were all made in the early to mid '80s.  (I've also got the slave
narrative tapes made in the '30s and '40s -- the ones I discovered
existed at the Library of Congress that were languishing there -- that
may be one of my very few claims to fame in life -- books have been
published about those tapes since my discovery of them.)

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Fine. I'll install something this weekend. Happy now, "Maynor"?

I'm almost always happy.
>
> By the way I think you'll like this blog software a lot more:
> <http://www.raelity.org/apps/blosxom/>. It's very *logical*

Will perhaps check it out, but I'm tired of thinking about such matters
right now.  Am thinking instead about what a beautiful time of year this
is, listening to the birds singing outside my window, feeling the breeze
wafting in, etc.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Blogger sucks. I mean blogger as hosted at their site sucks at this
> time. And it certainly is too complicated for a *logical* person like
> you. As for me. I hope you move to an ultra-cool blogs.words-l.org
> blog as soon as it's ready.

Of course I will do so.  Re Blogger, I didn't see much that I'd call
<complicated> about it -- just <contrary>.

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Sharon Ziperovich wrote:
>
> Help! (especially Tushar and Rashmi) I've been trying since Thursday to
> make reservations to travel from SF to Bangalore in July.  I desparately
> need a travel agent who will make a slight effort and use just a little
> imagination but I can't find one.  Can anyone recommend a good travel
> agent?

How about the airline webpages?  They seem quite good to me.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Will perhaps check it out, but I'm tired of thinking about such matters
> > right now.  Am thinking instead about what a beautiful time of year this
> > is, listening to the birds singing outside my window, feeling the breeze
> > wafting in, etc.
>
> Dr Maynor! It's "like Unix"! How can you let it go by?

I didn't say I'm letting it go by.  It will presumably still be there
later -- after I've quit enjoying the birds and air and stuff.

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How are you doing?

I found the Washington Post article about POWs and the Geneva
conventions on this site:

http://www.aiipowmia.com/inter.html  It not only had the Washington Post
article, but also daily
bulletins on POW-MIA.  One report discussed in depth the POW camp set up
by the British and now maintained by the US.   The POW camp did sound
very much like the troops' camp Doris described.

I also found a bit about the "found money" being used to compensate the
Kuwaiti POW held by Iraq during the 1991 war.

Deciding what to do about the POW in Iraq will get messy.




--
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> How about the airline webpages?  They seem quite good to me.

I have looked at the webpages, and the price I get there is about 3 times
what the travel agents quote.  I wish I could do online reservations as
I'd much rather deal with the software than the agent.  And I usually LIKE
people.  Blah!  If the rest of the trip is as hard as making reservations
I had better not go.

Sharon

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02003-04-21 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Fine. I'll install something this weekend. Happy now, "Maynor"?
>
> I'm almost always happy.

Enjoy your happiness ...

> > By the way I think you'll like this blog software a lot more:
> > <http://www.raelity.org/apps/blosxom/>. It's very *logical*
>
> Will perhaps check it out, but I'm tired of thinking about such matters
> right now.  Am thinking instead about what a beautiful time of year this
> is, listening to the birds singing outside my window, feeling the breeze
> wafting in, etc.

Dr Maynor! It's "like Unix"! How can you let it go by?

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Some of you are young enough you probably
don't see a doctor very often.  But if you have
a doctor or any occasion to be involved with
medical things you have been or will be
bombarded with paperwork notifying you of
the new medical privacy policy.  Ad nauseum.
I have read and signed several papers signifying
that I have read the document, but in fact I have
never read one.  Borrrrring.  Someone had a
concern, I guess, that our rights might be
lost re medical privacy.

So it strikes me funny that a headline tonight is
"Greenspan to have prostate surgery."

            - D. M.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> As you noted, one side effect is the proliferation of paperwork, which
> affects not only you the patient, but also the medical staff.  The tech.
> person taking my blood samples was having to take meticulous care in
> labelling, identifying from where and under what conditions that blood was
> drawn, etc.  The paper trail is all.
>
> cwv

I'm frankly good with that if it means that they won't lose the stuff.
In Nov. '84 I had a routine Pap smear done. They always had a
"no news is good news" attitude. I never thought about it until, in
May '85, I had another Pap done because of <ahem> a feminine
reason unrelated to symptoms. It came back cancer in situ. I said,
"what did the previous one show?" Answer: nothing; they lost it.

clo

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02003-04-21 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Blogger sucks. I mean blogger as hosted at their site sucks at this
> > time. And it certainly is too complicated for a *logical* person like
> > you. As for me. I hope you move to an ultra-cool blogs.words-l.org
> > blog as soon as it's ready.
>
> Of course I will do so.  Re Blogger, I didn't see much that I'd call
> <complicated> about it -- just <contrary>.

Oops, my stupid ... It's "contrary" and "grinds and grinds" because,
underneath, it's complicated. But I, as you, am only guessing that.

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02003-04-21 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > Will perhaps check it out, but I'm tired of thinking about such matters
> > > right now.  Am thinking instead about what a beautiful time of year this
> > > is, listening to the birds singing outside my window, feeling the breeze
> > > wafting in, etc.
> >
> > Dr Maynor! It's "like Unix"! How can you let it go by?
>
> I didn't say I'm letting it go by.  It will presumably still be there
> later -- after I've quit enjoying the birds and air and stuff.

You had me puzzled for a while!

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At 06:46 PM 4/21/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>Some of you are young enough you probably
>don't see a doctor very often.  But if you have
>a doctor or any occasion to be involved with
>medical things you have been or will be
>bombarded with paperwork notifying you of
>the new medical privacy policy.  Ad nauseum.
>I have read and signed several papers signifying
>that I have read the document, but in fact I have
>never read one.  Borrrrring.  Someone had a
>concern, I guess, that our rights might be
>lost re medical privacy.
>
>So it strikes me funny that a headline tonight is
>"Greenspan to have prostate surgery."

HIPAA rules!

Betty

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-20 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > 02003-04-19 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > > > It seems to me that a Tibetan monk, having been trained to focus,
> > > > would indeed be good at detecting micro-expressions.  It would also
> > > > seem, though, that to correlate any one or group of such expressions
> > > > with falsehood would require considerable experience with liars---
> > > > something one wouldn't expect of a Tibetan monk.
> > >
> > > So, don't you think you are holding the thing by the wrong end?
> > > Can anyone "detect" a meaningless micro-expression and then learn
> > > to "correlate" it with a meaning?
> >
> > My stbex can, that's for sure. Meaning is in the mind of the beholder, in
> > that case.

> Please! Let us stick to the subject if we could, heh! I am making
> the 100% philosophical statement that a micro-expression without
> a meaning is not a detectable micro-expression. Hence, any theory
> which starts with a Tibetan monk good at "detecting" tons of micro-
> expressions, and needing parallel data about falsehoods etc to
> "correlate" with his "readings" is a doomed theory.

My point is that meaning is assigned by the observer rather than the
observed. Any movement that is observable or inferrable may have
a meaning ascribed to it and so be taken as a micro-expression.



> > An alternate theory -
> >
> > Suppose you live in a micro-culture where expression of strong emotion is
> > not encouraged, and yet you live with human beings with ordinary capacity
> > to become irritated, etc. Might it not lead you to develop a sensitivity
> > to those clues that remain (micro-expressions)?
>
> Much more likely. Still, lying is a different kind of beast from
> an emotion.

Whoo, if that were true, why would polygraphs be even marginally
effective?

clo

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On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>When my sister was born back in 1957, the hospital lost her
>records.  When she went there in 1977 to have her first child,
>they again lost her records.

Must be genetic!

Bethany

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02003-04-21 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> (Although it does seem like it would be pretty easy for them to
> detect the browser and warn you.)

But it would be immensely difficult to understand that this needs
to be done.

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02003-04-21 | Sharon Ziperovich <sharon@IDIOM.COM> writes:
> Help! (especially Tushar and Rashmi) I've been trying since Thursday to
> make reservations to travel from SF to Bangalore in July.  I desparately
> need a travel agent who will make a slight effort and use just a little
> imagination but I can't find one.  Can anyone recommend a good travel
> agent?

I wish I could help in the slightest way ... I haven't done this
trip very often, and when I went I simply walked over to this Bengali
lady's little office on Wabash. I don't know if she has good "juggling"
abilities, though--the need didn't arise. I remember Pete said Hotwire
works fine? Have you tried it?

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What kind of clock does it use?  I just looked at the stuff I wrote
after the earlier stuff got screwed up and noticed that it's claiming I
wrote it at 4:50 p.m.  I can't remember the precise minute, but I know
that it was getting on toward 7 p.m.  I'm guessing from this that
Blogger observes California time.  Right?

--
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02003-04-21 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> What kind of clock does it use?  I just looked at the stuff I wrote
> after the earlier stuff got screwed up and noticed that it's claiming I
> wrote it at 4:50 p.m.  I can't remember the precise minute, but I know
> that it was getting on toward 7 p.m.  I'm guessing from this that
> Blogger observes California time.  Right?

ENJOY THE EVENING AT ONCE!

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At 06:34 PM 4/21/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-21 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 05:54 AM 4/21/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > >Rita Chapman wrote:
> > >
> > >>         Yes, I am often "blessed" by my AA parents.
> > >
> > >It definitely seems race-based (as in AA culture, not as in <genes>).
> > >I'm not sure I've ever heard it from whites.  I hear it mainly when
> > >leaving stores -- like from cashiers after you've paid and are about to
> > >leave.
> >
> > I thought she was bless by Alcoholic Anonymous parents.
>
>I think the inflection "bless" as above is also AA. You are bless!
>The list needs to be alphabetize! Corn beef sandwich and ice tea!


Bless your heart, OREOTU,

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02003-04-20 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-04-19 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > > It seems to me that a Tibetan monk, having been trained to focus,
> > > would indeed be good at detecting micro-expressions.  It would also
> > > seem, though, that to correlate any one or group of such expressions
> > > with falsehood would require considerable experience with liars---
> > > something one wouldn't expect of a Tibetan monk.
> >
> > So, don't you think you are holding the thing by the wrong end?
> > Can anyone "detect" a meaningless micro-expression and then learn
> > to "correlate" it with a meaning?
>
> My stbex can, that's for sure. Meaning is in the mind of the beholder, in
> that case.

Please! Let us stick to the subject if we could, heh! I am making
the 100% philosophical statement that a micro-expression without
a meaning is not a detectable micro-expression. Hence, any theory
which starts with a Tibetan monk good at "detecting" tons of micro-
expressions, and needing parallel data about falsehoods etc to
"correlate" with his "readings" is a doomed theory.

> An alternate theory -
>
> Suppose you live in a micro-culture where expression of strong emotion is
> not encouraged, and yet you live with human beings with ordinary capacity
> to become irritated, etc. Might it not lead you to develop a sensitivity
> to those clues that remain (micro-expressions)?

Much more likely. Still, lying is a different kind of beast from
an emotion.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > I can't imagine an uncute dog.
>
>         Obviously your ducks got uncute and you therefore disposed of
> them.

I said I can't imagine an uncute dog, not that I can't imagine an uncute
duck (though I've never really given the latter possibility much
thought).  I don't get your "obviously," though.  It was a groundrule of
my duck-getting that the duck would not live with us as an adult.  I'm
not even sure that would be legal, now that I think about it.  Are adult
ducks allowed in ordinary neighborhoods?  Anyway, the rules of the game
were that when the ducks reached puberty, they'd move to the zoo.  The
Director of the Jackson Zoo was a good friend of my grandparents.  I
don't remember whether that was relevant.

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>Solved!!  Blogger is indeed anti-Netscape.  And I'm still po'ed about
>that.  But I was able to <get it up> by doing it via IE -- as in
>activating the page.  It now exists.

Beautiful!

I'm an IE user, so it works okay for me (modulo Proxomitron, which mangles
some of the JavaScript), but I'd seen notices about it working better with
IE --- sorry not to have remembered sooner.  (Although it does seem like it
would be pretty easy for them to detect the browser and warn you.)

Pete

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I have read and signed several papers signifying
> that I have read the document, but in fact I have
> never read one.

I had to sign one at the dentist last week.  The only part I noticed
said that you were attesting that you had been "given a copy" of this
document.  I asked the receptionist if that meant I had to take the copy
she had handed me.  She laughed and said no -- that most people handed
it back to be given to the next person, which is what I did.  I also
told her that they were free to tell anybody anywhere anything that they
wanted to tell them about my teeth -- that my teeth had no secrets.

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02003-04-20 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Ah so.  Reminds me of the time a friend's son asked his mother if she
> had enjoyed the dream they were in the night before.  He was serious.
> (He was very young at the time.)

I had a dream about my mother. Rarely happens, but it did. If you have
any analysis, kindly zip it. So I was in this huge lecture-hall kind
of building with a few small offices on the periphery. Then the alarm
sounded. This is only a test, evacuate as you were instructed last week.
I am late. When I get out the grounds are empty. Then my mother walks
in through the gate. You made it! Why so late? The planes, airport,
blah blah blah. Then sun turns very "southern'. Faint evening, mild
golden light on the tops of buildings. I wonder why there isn't a
huge crowd on the lawn. Then I realize evacuation means leave the
the grounds. So we hurry out, and take path towards the big street.
Sorry we have to walk fast. It's not a problem, my mother says. The
path is lined with trees looking beautiful in pre-twilight. Suddenly
my mother stops, turns around and sprints. I am taken aback. She
goes a distance, picks something up and sprints back. What was that?
I ask. I dropped my glasses, she says. Oh. I don't care. I really
don't care. Who the hell wants to CARE. Hm? What, I ask. Money? No,
I don't want any money, just relax and I will handle everything ...
OK, thank you, I will deposit it tomorrow, do you want to have dinner
now. Blah blah blah blah de blah ...

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Solved!!  Blogger is indeed anti-Netscape.  And I'm still po'ed about
that.  But I was able to <get it up> by doing it via IE -- as in
activating the page.  It now exists.

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02003-04-21 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
>
> I was angry. I spoke.  Flog me and spank me.

I know how much you'd love that you little monkey ... just
stand in the corner and think about the consequences of your
actions

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02003-04-21 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Blogger is obviously anti-Netscape. [etc]

Blogger sucks. I mean blogger as hosted at their site sucks at this
time. And it certainly is too complicated for a *logical* person like
you. As for me. I hope you move to an ultra-cool blogs.words-l.org
blog as soon as it's ready.

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Help! (especially Tushar and Rashmi) I've been trying since Thursday to
make reservations to travel from SF to Bangalore in July.  I desparately
need a travel agent who will make a slight effort and use just a little
imagination but I can't find one.  Can anyone recommend a good travel
agent?

Sharon

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In a message dated 04/21/2003 3:35:46 PM Central Daylight Time,
bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<<
Didn't they since rescind their vote?

>>

They're deciding if they should have a revote.
It's quite understandable.  After all, they've been
asked to give up a lot, and management wasn't.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>You never play with your dogs?
>>>
>>>
>>        Yes, but I don't get rid of them when they're no longer cute
>>
>
> I can't imagine an uncute dog.


        Obviously your ducks got uncute and you therefore disposed of
them.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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At 06:46 PM 4/21/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:

While waiting to provide blood samples the other day, I read the hospital's
handout on the new privacy regulations.  After several pages of "we can and
will disclose, under the following circumstances"  I decided that the main
thrust of the law/regulations is to control the release of medical
information in what amount to trivial circumstances.  I note that already,
athletic teams are refusing to give information/comment on illnesses or
injuries involving their players.  So yes, they can announce that Greenspan
is going to have prostate surgery (well actually, if he demurred, they
couldn't even do that); what they can't do is disclose the results or
findings of that surgery without his consent.

As you noted, one side effect is the proliferation of paperwork, which
affects not only you the patient, but also the medical staff.  The tech.
person taking my blood samples was having to take meticulous care in
labelling, identifying from where and under what conditions that blood was
drawn, etc.  The paper trail is all.

cwv

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Interesting stuff.  I want to know what Bad Betty thinks about it.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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At 06:30 PM 4/21/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>Betty Clark:
>= At 05:26 PM 4/21/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>= >=
>= >= Time to plant tomatoes!!
>= >=
>= >= B
>= >
>= >Been there.  Done that.  We've got three seedlings just put
>= >outside this weekend.
>=
>= When you do seedlings do you get to choose the kind?  Big Boy? Early Girl?
>=
>= Betty
>
>Well, they were planted from seed, inside, and we just put them
>outside.  There's St. Pierre, Sun Baby Cherry and Tumbler Cherry.
>The Sun Babies will be orange, and the Tumbler grows in a hanging
>pot (where's Roy - that's the brit word for a hanging pot).
>
>Everything is outside and planted now: cucumber, snow peas, green
>peas, anaheim peppers, bell peppers, jalapeno peppers, garlic,
>zuchinni, runner beans, blue beans, and the tomatoes.  They're
>growing in pots that hold 20 liters (except for the Tumbler
>tomatoes).   The peppers are in the greenhouse.
>
>Murphy is munching on the chives, and we have lots of oregano and
>marjoram that made it through winter.  The tulips are in full
>bloom and the narcisses and crocuses are all done already.  As is
>the crown imperial fritillary.  That was wild to watch coming up.
>And most of the snowdrops didn't bloom.
>
>What else.  The eucalyptus tree will be firewood soon.  We now
>have two Viburnum because we cut the buds off the first one by
>accident last year, so when we went to buy more plants this year
>we thought it looked good and got another one.  We just got a
>pear tree, so we'll have to wait and see how that does.  The red
>robin photinia is doing fine, and the magnolia has bloomed.  That
>leaves me with two more tree things I don't know what they're
>named.
>
>Oh right, the buxus are doing well, and the bamboo looks
>scraggly, but I know from last year it'll fill out.  And we
>rerouted the grape the went up the middle of the house so that
>it's much more spread out.  It's just starting to get leaves.
>
>I helped plant the bulbs and clean the roof.  Patrick is the one
>who carried all the damn dirt up all those stairs!

You've been busy!  Does the bamboo not take over??

I want to see fields and fields of tulips!

Betty

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>Well, that's what I'm flying for the 'fest, so they'd
>better stay afloat a little longer.

Yeah, I have a pocket full of United FF miles
that I fear are going to turn into Albanian
currency before I can jet off somewhere.

--
Richard                  avon dvashmaya

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 04/21/2003 9:57:42 AM Central Daylight Time,
> bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
>
> <<
> I thought she was bless by Alcoholic Anonymous parents.
>
>
>
> Or American Airlines (very big employer in Tulsa).


        As if they aren't here.  Actually, they're becoming less and
less of a big employer all the time.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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again, all around wrote:

> Evelyn:
>
>>Or American Airlines (very big employer in Tulsa).
>>
>
> ...but maybe not for much longer.
>


        Well, that's what I'm flying for the 'fest, so they'd better
stay afloat a little longer.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> Yes, especially since the unions are angry with management

"Hey relax, you proles, it's not like we're
Enron, we didn't STEAL all the money."

--
Richard                  avon dvashmaya

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Blogger is obviously anti-Netscape.  I discovered that I can get to it
quickly and easily via IE -- that it's just via Netscape that it bumped
and ground.  But even via IE, I see that nmaynor is taken but that they
can't find it.  That is probably because I used Netscape for creating it
all.  I'm po'ed.  I gave some thought to choosing the name of the blog,
writing its description, and writing the introduction.  All of those are
down the tubes now, as well as the blog's address itself.  Probably
that's because I used Netscape to do all that.  What really pisses me
off about this is not as much the Gatesian mentality of Blogger as it is
the tackiness of their not saying clearly in their instructions that one
must use a particular browser when creating the blog.

Maybe I'm mistaken and this is just some kind of glitch.  But it sure
doesn't look like that right now.  It looks to me as if BloggerFuck
doesn't tell people that the time they spend creating their blog will be
down the toilet if they happen to use Netscape.

As I said, I can live with their Gatesian bias.  When I played bookworm,
I knew because they said so that I had to use IE.  I lived with that
without complaining (though a couple of people I recommended it to
forewent it because of that -- they said it was too much trouble to have
to use IE). Why does Blogger not offer the simple courtesy of warning
you not to create your blog via Netscape?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-04-21 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Creating it seemed quite easy.  But then I tried to post something to it
> -- a short introduction -- and all that happened was bump and grind and
> bump and grind for ages, finally leading to a message that
> nmaynor.blogspot.com wasn't found.  It must exist -- when I retried, I
> was told that that name had already been taken (by me, of course, since
> it wasn't taken earlier -- natalie was and maynor was but not nmaynor).
> Bottom line:  I think I now have a blog.  It's just that I can't seem to
> get to it.  (I did, btw, go on and say host it at BlogSpot, though I
> think I'd rather have it more <locally> located.  Will perhaps change it
> later if I can find it.)

Fine. I'll install something this weekend. Happy now, "Maynor"?

By the way I think you'll like this blog software a lot more:
<http://www.raelity.org/apps/blosxom/>. It's very *logical*

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At 03:57 PM 4/21/2003 -0400, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>In a message dated 04/21/2003 11:40:19 AM Central Daylight Time,
>rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:
>
><<
>Evelyn:
> > Or American Airlines (very big employer in Tulsa).
>
>...but maybe not for much longer.
>
> >>
>
>Yes, especially since the unions are angry with management
>for hiding the evidence of the bonuses until after the unions
>approved getting the employees' pay cut.

Didn't they since rescind their vote?

Betty

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02003-04-21 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 05:54 AM 4/21/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >>         Yes, I am often "blessed" by my AA parents.
> >
> >It definitely seems race-based (as in AA culture, not as in <genes>).
> >I'm not sure I've ever heard it from whites.  I hear it mainly when
> >leaving stores -- like from cashiers after you've paid and are about to
> >leave.
>
> I thought she was bless by Alcoholic Anonymous parents.

I think the inflection "bless" as above is also AA. You are bless!
The list needs to be alphabetize! Corn beef sandwich and ice tea!

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In a message dated 04/21/2003 11:40:19 AM Central Daylight Time,
rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:

<<
Evelyn:
> Or American Airlines (very big employer in Tulsa).

...but maybe not for much longer.

>>

Yes, especially since the unions are angry with management
for hiding the evidence of the bonuses until after the unions
approved getting the employees' pay cut.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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>  Go to Blogger, click the "Start Now!"
> button (or sign up), then make a new blog.  It's probably easier to pick
> "Host it at BlogSpot", and later you can change to "FTP it to your own
> server".  It's easy, and fun.

Creating it seemed quite easy.  But then I tried to post something to it
-- a short introduction -- and all that happened was bump and grind and
bump and grind for ages, finally leading to a message that
nmaynor.blogspot.com wasn't found.  It must exist -- when I retried, I
was told that that name had already been taken (by me, of course, since
it wasn't taken earlier -- natalie was and maynor was but not nmaynor).
Bottom line:  I think I now have a blog.  It's just that I can't seem to
get to it.  (I did, btw, go on and say host it at BlogSpot, though I
think I'd rather have it more <locally> located.  Will perhaps change it
later if I can find it.)

--
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> If you haven't already created a blog and want to, go back to blogger.com and
> look for the section of the page titled "Your Blogs". Then click the link that
> says, "Create a new blog". You will get instructions from there, and you'll be
> a few steps away from creating a weblog.
>
> Thanks again for using Blogger. Have fun!

Well, so I went back to blogger.com -- or rather tried to.  It just
bumped and ground, bumped and ground, bumped and ground.  But at least
e-mail from the blogpeople comes.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> They're deciding if they should have a revote.

It would be best if we let the market decide
that we don't really need all these airlines
and airline employees.

--
Richard                  avon dvashmaya

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At 05:26 PM 4/21/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>=
>= Time to plant tomatoes!!
>=
>= B
>
>Been there.  Done that.  We've got three seedlings just put
>outside this weekend.

When you do seedlings do you get to choose the kind?  Big Boy? Early Girl?

Betty

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I asked the sexy Russian physicist about Serbian at lunch today,
and he said that he can read it fairly easily and can understand
a good bit of spoken Serbian if it's spoken slowly.  He said that
Serbian and Russian share about 70% of their vocabulary.  He said
that Russian and Poland share something like 40%.

He said that the Baltic languages are quite similar.
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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At 11:48 AM 4/21/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>> >         Yes, I am often "blessed" by my AA parents.
>>>
>>>It definitely seems race-based (as in AA culture, not as in <genes>).
>>>I'm not sure I've ever heard it from whites.  I hear it mainly when
>>>leaving stores -- like from cashiers after you've paid and are about to
>>>leave.
>>
>>I thought she was blessed by Alcoholic Anonymous parents.
>>Betty
>
>So did I.  Evil minds ... ...

Definitely.  Plus I'm used to "Black" still.

Betty



>    --bonniev

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Betty Clark:
= At 05:26 PM 4/21/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
= >=
= >= Time to plant tomatoes!!
= >=
= >= B
= >
= >Been there.  Done that.  We've got three seedlings just put
= >outside this weekend.
=
= When you do seedlings do you get to choose the kind?  Big Boy? Early Girl?
=
= Betty

Well, they were planted from seed, inside, and we just put them
outside.  There's St. Pierre, Sun Baby Cherry and Tumbler Cherry.
The Sun Babies will be orange, and the Tumbler grows in a hanging
pot (where's Roy - that's the brit word for a hanging pot).

Everything is outside and planted now: cucumber, snow peas, green
peas, anaheim peppers, bell peppers, jalapeno peppers, garlic,
zuchinni, runner beans, blue beans, and the tomatoes.  They're
growing in pots that hold 20 liters (except for the Tumbler
tomatoes).   The peppers are in the greenhouse.

Murphy is munching on the chives, and we have lots of oregano and
marjoram that made it through winter.  The tulips are in full
bloom and the narcisses and crocuses are all done already.  As is
the crown imperial fritillary.  That was wild to watch coming up.
And most of the snowdrops didn't bloom.

What else.  The eucalyptus tree will be firewood soon.  We now
have two Viburnum because we cut the buds off the first one by
accident last year, so when we went to buy more plants this year
we thought it looked good and got another one.  We just got a
pear tree, so we'll have to wait and see how that does.  The red
robin photinia is doing fine, and the magnolia has bloomed.  That
leaves me with two more tree things I don't know what they're
named.

Oh right, the buxus are doing well, and the bamboo looks
scraggly, but I know from last year it'll fill out.  And we
rerouted the grape the went up the middle of the house so that
it's much more spread out.  It's just starting to get leaves.

I helped plant the bulbs and clean the roof.  Patrick is the one
who carried all the damn dirt up all those stairs!

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So much for sanctions...

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1- Last Saturday I vacuumed the interior my car and cleaned and condition
the leather seats.

2 - Also last saturday I ran outside for the first time since September. I
was pathetically slow, running 3 miles at about a 12 minute mile pace.

3- Last Wednesday we went to our first red sox game of the season. We left
at the top of the 7th because we were freezing.

4- This weekend I washed and waxed my car.

5- While washing and waxing my car in a t shirt and jeans I earned my first
sun burn of the year.

6- Easter.

7- The Boston Marathon.

8- Leaving for work without a jacket

9- There's a green aura around everything

10- It's nice and bright out (until tomorrow when the rain returns).

lisa
who feels much, much better these days

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In a message dated 04/21/2003 9:57:42 AM Central Daylight Time,
bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<<
I thought she was bless by Alcoholic Anonymous parents.

>>

Or American Airlines (very big employer in Tulsa).

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> So far nothing has felt <special> about today, but maybe it's all going
> to happen in a burst.  According to my horoscope, I may not have another
> day like this one for two years.  Mars is ending its transit in my sign,
> and I'm to feel high-powered energy.

Wonder what's in transit through mine?
Woke up - got in car to go to work through lovely spring rain -
ended up changing tire in lovely spring rain - late to work.

la la la
Oh what a beautiful morning, oh what a beautiful day!

clo

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>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>> >         Yes, I am often "blessed" by my AA parents.
>>
>>It definitely seems race-based (as in AA culture, not as in <genes>).
>>I'm not sure I've ever heard it from whites.  I hear it mainly when
>>leaving stores -- like from cashiers after you've paid and are about to
>>leave.
>
>I thought she was bless by Alcoholic Anonymous parents.
>Betty

So did I.  Evil minds ... ...


    --bonniev

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So far nothing has felt <special> about today, but maybe it's all going
to happen in a burst.  According to my horoscope, I may not have another
day like this one for two years.  Mars is ending its transit in my sign,
and I'm to feel high-powered energy.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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It was interesting to me when I was in Poland and Czech Rep 2 years ago to pick
out the cognates to the Russian that I know.  There was a whole different set of
familiar words in Czech than in Polish.  The Slavic languages that are not written in
the Cyrilic alphabet always look funny to me - but they sound almost right - like
listening to Dutch as an English speaker or Romanian, with a background in
Spanish, Italian or French.

BrP





> I tried once more. <sigh>. Maybe BrP will say something (oh, he is
> nomail at weekends).
>
> Kristin

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At 05:54 AM 4/21/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >         Yes, I am often "blessed" by my AA parents.
>
>It definitely seems race-based (as in AA culture, not as in <genes>).
>I'm not sure I've ever heard it from whites.  I hear it mainly when
>leaving stores -- like from cashiers after you've paid and are about to
>leave.

I thought she was bless by Alcoholic Anonymous parents.

Betty

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At 08:40 PM 4/19/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > > He just called and is on the way home via the pharmacy if it still
>is
> > > open. He was given two IVs because he is so parched.
> >
> > Alyce, do you have a plan B nurse? I am pretty sure that Hospice could
> > help with advice, at least.
> >
> > Is there anything we can do?
> >
> > clo
>
>What was the diagnosis?  A flu?
>
>                     - D. M.


Food poisoning or a Norwalk type virus?

  He just flew in plane, who knows?


alec

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At 06:45 PM 4/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Someone:
>
> > You sick mentally sick fuck!
>
>Isn't it kind of no-class to berate someone who you think
>is "mentally sick"? Shut up and let it blow over ...

I was angry. I spoke.  Flog me and spank me.


alec

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> At 06:45 PM 4/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Someone:
> >
> > > You sick mentally sick fuck!
> >
> >Isn't it kind of no-class to berate someone who you think
> >is "mentally sick"? Shut up and let it blow over ...
>
> I was angry. I spoke.  Flog me and spank me.
>
> alec

Done
clo

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05:52 21.04.2003 -0500 skrev Rita Chapman:
>Doris Markland wrote:
>
>
>>Best argument of the night:  the New
>>Testament was originally written in Aramaic . .
>>No it wasn't it was written in Greek . . was not . .
>>was too . . was not . . was too.
>
>       Depends on which part you're talking about, I think.
>
>
>       John/Revelation are the two I know for sure were written in
>Demotic Greek -- I think the other gospels may have been
>originally in Aramaic and then translated into Demotic
>almost immediately.

Lucas is pretty consistent both in the gospel and in the Acts (Atticistic Demotic Greek).

Espen

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At 05:09 AM 4/21/2003 +0200, Espen S. Ore wrote:

>Thank you in any case - this is a holiday here:


It is also a holiday here today in Maine and Massachusetts.  It has no
particular religious association, unless perhaps you are into ancestor
worship or running the Boston Marathon.  It is Patriot's Day; thought up
largely by the Sons of the American Revolution (Mass.), it commemorates the
Battle of Lexington and Concord.  I had thought that it is the one vestige
here in Maine of the time when Maine was a part of Massachusetts---but it
wasn't officially observed until 1894.

Anyhow, some government offices (local, state) are closed, our transfer
station/recycling center is closed, and the Marathon should be close to
starting now.

cwv

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> "Espen S. Ore" wrote:
>
>
>>Thank you - it should be dawn soon. Maybe I should make a pot of tea.
>>
>
> Good idea!  Have a blessed Monday!  (Have we discussed the "be blessed"
> parting greetings here?  I think we have.  I've been hearing it for a
> good many years now, but it seems to have grown enormously.)
>


        Yes, I am often "blessed" by my AA parents.



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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
>
>>Yep. For some reason (musta been the mention of Easter eggs) I thought
>>both Easters were celebrated in the Chapman household.
>>


        We do.  But Ortho. Easter is usually pretty minimal these
days because I don't have time to go all out for two Sundays
in a row.  But Easter was nice yesterday.  St. B. was SRO
(I've very rarely seen that) with new faces.  We're
benefitting in part from an influx of Nigerian immigrants
(who I have a VERY hard time associating with those whacky
emails I get all the time). Ana and her friend Meri both got
the same dress from the Easter Bunny, which was a riot.


> Wouldn't you love to be a child again, waking up to a basket of Easter
> eggs under your bed?  I would.  I realize, of course, that people's
> traditions vary -- that not all Easter-celebrating homes do/did it the
> same way.  In my family we had Easter baskets under our beds upon waking
> up on Easter -- baskets full of dyed eggs.  I don't remember things that
> I think are now associated with Easter like candy and stuff.  We had
> only dyed eggs.  And new clothes to wear to church that day, of course.
> And in later childhood we sometimes had ducks or chickens, which we
> played with for a week or so and then donated to the Jackson Zoo when
> they reached puberty or whatever it was that made them lose their infant
> fluff and start developing feathers.


I can't imagine an animal as a plaything.  And, of course,
we ate our eggs for breakfast along with the candy and
usually some Italian pastry from the North End.  We never
got new clothes for Easter -- but we didn't usually go to
church, either.




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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         John/Revelation are the two I know for sure were written in
> Demotic Greek -- I think the other gospels may have been
> originally in Aramaic and then translated into Demotic
> almost immediately.

I'm trying to remember now something somebody said in a conversation I
was having not all that long ago about Bible translations -- something
that involved some backwards translation way back -- like from lang X to
lang Y and then back to lang X.  It came up in an answer to (really
speculation re) my question, one I've been meaning to research for ages
now, about T/V usage in the Bible -- like why was "thou" chosen in the
King James translation of the Lord's Prayer -- iow, why the "respectful"
form would not have been used.  Same is true in French Bibles, I know --
tu rather than vous.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Yes, I am often "blessed" by my AA parents.

It definitely seems race-based (as in AA culture, not as in <genes>).
I'm not sure I've ever heard it from whites.  I hear it mainly when
leaving stores -- like from cashiers after you've paid and are about to
leave.

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=
= Time to plant tomatoes!!
=
= B

Been there.  Done that.  We've got three seedlings just put
outside this weekend.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> I can't imagine an animal as a plaything.  And, of course,

You never play with your dogs?

> we ate our eggs for breakfast along with the candy and
> usually some Italian pastry from the North End.  We never
> got new clothes for Easter -- but we didn't usually go to
> church, either.

Our clothes weren't given as gifts like Easter gifts exactly.  Iow, they
weren't brought by the Easter Bunny or whatever.  But it was normal
among everybody I knew to wear new clothes to church on Easter.  You'd
go shopping for them sometime in the weeks preceding Easter but not wear
them until that day.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>I can't imagine an animal as a plaything.  And, of course,
>>
>
> You never play with your dogs?
>

        Yes, but I don't get rid of them when they're no longer cute
-- that mindset is why I have to do rescue and why shelters
fill up with young dogs.


>>we ate our eggs for breakfast along with the candy and
>>usually some Italian pastry from the North End.  We never
>>got new clothes for Easter -- but we didn't usually go to
>>church, either.
>>
>
> Our clothes weren't given as gifts like Easter gifts exactly.  Iow, they
> weren't brought by the Easter Bunny or whatever.  But it was normal
> among everybody I knew to wear new clothes to church on Easter.  You'd
> go shopping for them sometime in the weeks preceding Easter but not wear
> them until that day.
>

        Yeah.  We didn't do that.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Doris Markland wrote:


> Best argument of the night:  the New
> Testament was originally written in Aramaic . .
> No it wasn't it was written in Greek . . was not . .
> was too . . was not . . was too.

        Depends on which part you're talking about, I think.


        John/Revelation are the two I know for sure were written in
Demotic Greek -- I think the other gospels may have been
originally in Aramaic and then translated into Demotic
almost immediately.



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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>I'm not much into fabric descriptions/knowledge, but yes -- linen is
>>>made from flax, I think.  I bet my reference to "than ordinary cotton"
>>>is what caused your confusion.  I didn't mean that linen was a special
>>>kind of cotton.  I said "ordinary cotton" because I really don't
>>>understand the various kinds of cotton or cotton-based things
>>>available.  There are cotton corduroy, cotton flannel, all kinds of
>>>fabrics that include the word "cotton."  By "ordinary cotton" I meant
>>>something like a t-shirt that says "100% cotton."
>>>
>>        I find it very weird that you don't know stuff about cotton.
>>
>>        Usually it's a cotton/linen blend, I think.
>>
>
> It what is usually a cotton/linen blend?


        Clothes.

And why do you find it very
> weird that I don't know stuff about cotton?  I know some stuff about
> cotton.  I can tell you in very general terms about the cottonseed
> business, since that's what my father was in.  But I wasn't intimate
> with the process.  (I really, really wanted to play in the huge piles of
> cottonseed in the seed house but was not allowed to since it was deemed
> dangerous by Daddy.)  None of that had to do with turning cotton into
> clothes.
>


        I'd have thought you would pick up information about cotton
since the biz was all around you growing up.  Nobody in my
family ever even fished for a hobby, but we had enough
neighbors who were commercial fishermen that I learned a
little bit about it.



--
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Yes, I am often "blessed" by my AA parents.
>>
>
> It definitely seems race-based (as in AA culture, not as in <genes>).
> I'm not sure I've ever heard it from whites.  I hear it mainly when
> leaving stores -- like from cashiers after you've paid and are about to
> leave.
>


        It surprised me the first few times, but it is kinda nice.
At least I know they're not angry at me for failing their
kid or whatever.




--
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Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>
> Natalie, YOU are the ONLY one I've sniped at about being dis-American
> and that's because you persistently diss America and you are proud of
> that.  So be it.
>
>   IF you don't know my views, how do you know they are stupid?

???  You state views often.  See your first paragraph above for an
example.  I find it quite stupid for you to see caring about one's
country and speaking out as "dissing."

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> URLs, but shake your own goat).  Go to Blogger, click the "Start Now!"
> button (or sign up), then make a new blog.  It's probably easier to pick
> "Host it at BlogSpot", and later you can change to "FTP it to your own
> server".  It's easy, and fun.

Thanks!  I may explore this in the not-too-distant future.  Maybe even
tonight.
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John Williams wrote:

> > I'd said "whore," but maybe it was "slut.")
>
>     No, the word you used was "whorish".

Oh good.  I was worried about my memory since I really didn't think I'd
said "slut."  It's not a word I'd be as likely to choose as "whore."

> And it referred to someone wearing a
> perfectly acceptable sundress, and unless you are a member of some fundamentalist
> cult that thinks that exposed collarbones and shoulders are an exhibition of
> depravity you owe them an apology, IMO.

Why?  I see nothing to apologize for in having an opinion about
somebody's appearance.

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John Williams wrote:

> > > No, Sylvia has been into her dis-America/un-America/etc attacks for ages
> > > and ages.  Long before this recent thread.
>
>     WHAT???

Yep.  She was calling me <un-America> long before the current thread.
Remember how we got into a language discussion about un-America vs
un-American as a result of one of her attacks a while back?

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> >>        Usually it's a cotton/linen blend, I think.
> >>
> > It what is usually a cotton/linen blend?
>
>         Clothes.

I've had some that are blends, but the worst re ironing are the ones
with tags that say 100% linen.

>         I'd have thought you would pick up information about cotton
> since the biz was all around you growing up.  Nobody in my
> family ever even fished for a hobby, but we had enough
> neighbors who were commercial fishermen that I learned a
> little bit about it.

I went to conventions every summer of the cottonseed people, but that
was the only way the biz was all around me.  None of the people around
me normally -- as in friends or neighbors -- had anything at all to do
with cotton.  And Daddy's business didn't have to do with the cotton
itself -- it had to do with the seed.  The only part of the cotton that
he dealt with was what was called the lint -- the tiny strands of cotton
stuck to the seeds when the seeds came to him from the gins.  I've
forgotten what he said became of the lint.  It was sold to lint-buyers
to use for some purpose but not for clothes, afaik.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> >  When challenged you will say things like
> > "it's perfectly alright for her to dress that way; I didn't say she
> > couldn't; I just found it curious" again denying that you've used an
> > inflammatory, negative,hurtful word like "slut".
>
> Yes, it's perfectly ok for somebody to dress as a slut.  Do you
> disagree?  And again I will ask:  Where have I denied using an
> inflammatory, negative, hurtful word like "slut"?  (Actually, I thought
> I'd said "whore," but maybe it was "slut.")

    No, the word you used was "whorish".  And it referred to someone wearing a
perfectly acceptable sundress, and unless you are a member of some fundamentalist
cult that thinks that exposed collarbones and shoulders are an exhibition of
depravity you owe them an apology, IMO.

JMW

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > > Noted, Natalie, and thank you.  No problem.
> > > Not sure about the brush painting Sylvia, though,
> > > but I'm too lazy to go back and look.  I think she
> > > was just being my friend.
> >
> > No, Sylvia has been into her dis-America/un-America/etc attacks for ages
> > and ages.  Long before this recent thread.

    WHAT???

> Only in your mind, Natalie.  Only in your weird twisted mind.  You have
> NO clue what I think about the war situation.  You decided what I
> thought and made sure everyone knew what you thought I thought. .
> Enough.  How would Clo know what I think?  I've not been saying much in
> past few weeks.

    That's true.  Sly has been unaffordably reticent.

> I do think you bitch and moan constantly about things in this country,
> but that's your right. Have at it, for all the good it does.
>

    Oh, moan...

JMW

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                      STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL & URGENT.

TEL: 871 - 762535915
FAX: 871 - 762535916
TEL: 27  - 835948129


Alternative e-mail address: tu_49@latinmail.com

Dear Sir,

I am Mr.Tambo, a native of Cape Town in South Africa and I am an Executive
Accountant with the South Africa Department of Mining & Natural Resources.
First and foremost, I apologized using this medium to reach you for a
transaction/business of this magnitude, but this is due to Confidentiality
and prompt access reposed on this medium. Be informed that a member of the
South Africa Export Promotion Council (SEPC) who was at the Government
delegation to your country during a trade exhibition gave your enviable
credentials/particulars to me. I have decided to seek a confidential
co-operation with you in the execution of the deal described Hereunder for
the benefit of all parties and hope you will keep it as a top secret
because of the nature of this transaction.

Within the Department of Mining & Natural Resources where I work as an
Executive Accountant and with the cooperation of four other top officials,
we have in our possession as overdue payment bills totaling Twenty - Six
Million, Five Hundred Thousand U. S. Dollars ($26,500,000.) which we
want to transfer abroad with the assistance and cooperation of a foreign
company/individual to receive the said fund on our behalf or a reliable
foreign non-company account to receive such funds. More so, we are
handicapped in the circumstances, as the South Africa Civil Service Code
of Conduct does not allow us to operate offshore account hence your
importance in the whole transaction.

This amount $26.5m represents the balance of the total contract value
executed on behalf of my Department by a foreign contracting firm, which
we the officials over-invoiced deliberately. Though the actual contract
cost have been paid to the original contractor, leaving the balance in the
tune of the said amount which we have in principles gotten approval to
remit by Telegraphic Transfer (T.T) to any foreign bank account you will
provide by filing in an application through the Justice Ministry here in
South Africa for the transfer of rights and privileges of the former
contractor to you.

I have the authority of my partners involved to propose that should you be
willing to assist us in the transaction, your share of the sum will be 25%
of the $26,.5 million, 70% for us and 5% for taxation and miscellaneous
expenses. The business itself is 100% safe, on your part provided you
treat it with utmost secrecy and confidentiality. Also your area of
specialization is not a hindrance to the successful execution of this
transaction. I have reposed my confidence in you and hope that you will
not disappoint me. Endeavor to contact me immediately through my above
Tel/Fax number or
my e-mail address, whether or not you are interested in this deal. If you
are not, it will enable me scout for another foreign partner to carry out
this deal I want to assure you that my partners and myself are in a
position to make the payment of this claim possible provided you can give
us a very strong
Assurance and guarantee that our share will be secured and please remember
to treat this matter as very confidential matter, because we will not
comprehend with any form of exposure as we are still in active Government
Service and remember once again that time is of the essence in this
business.
I wait in anticipation of your fullest co-operation.

Yours faithfully,

Mr. Tambo

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I just finished watching a late rerun of Larry King's
earlier show.  He had a panel consisting of a
Roman Catholic priest, a protestant minister, a
Jewish rabbi, a Muslim scholar and then Deepak
Chopra, whom I don't think he identified with
a specific religion but rather with his writings
on religion or more correctly spirituality.
 To me it was fascinating.  It was interesting to 
watch how they reacted to each other . . and to
observe how I reacted to each of them . . as
they discussed the war, heaven and hell, the 
state of the world, etc. etc.  Though they agreed
on many things, there were moments when they
were even better than words-l.  Once Deepak
literally shuddered when the protestant minister
said he and the Jew and the Muslim would go to
hell unless they accepted JC as their savior.
I gave the Muslim points for having the best
sense of humor.  The rabbi was the most relaxed,
most interesting in some ways, and well respected
but some of the others couldn't accept a few of his
ideas.  The priest was full of mushy platitudes.  
The protestant was a broken record stuck on just
one point and the most obnoxious to the others.
Best argument of the night:  the New
Testament was originally written in Aramaic . .
No it wasn't it was written in Greek . . was not . .
was too . . was not . . was too.

Well, it just made Easter for me.  Better than
rabbits, chickens or eggs.

I gave Deepak the highest score.  The Protestant
flunked.

                    - D. M.

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02003-04-21 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >But if the child dares to enter the gate of inferno by asking why,
> >then: "I'mo beat your little butt" . . . "Aiight?"
> >
> >Which is always enough.
>
> I shall use this in class forthwith, Dr. Samant.

You have my bless.

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>Solved!!  Blogger is indeed anti-Netscape.  And I'm still po'ed about
>that.  But I was able to <get it up> by doing it via IE -- as in
>activating the page.  It now exists.
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

And a fine page it is, too!

Natalie, Netscape 4.79 is a piece of history.  It was wonderful in its
time, but its time was three years ago, and it will soon join BITNET in the
annals of internet memory.

Netscape 6 sucked when it first came out, and it got a fairly bad rap then,
but I've been using 6.2 for a year now and it works pretty decently for
most sites.  I respectfully suggest that you upgrade -- Pete or someone
could recommend something more recent that what I'm using.

I'm not saying that blogspot isn't IE-biased; I haven't tried it in
Netscape, and I have run into way too many sites that are IE-biased.  But
if you aren't willing to try a reasonably modern web client, you might as
well go back to using gopher.

Ken Miller
Systems Annalist
Babbage Engine Works

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Bookrat writes,

>I respectfully suggest that you upgrade -- Pete or someone could recommend
>something more recent that what I'm using.

Sorry, I'm a stick-in-the-mud.  IE 5.5 on Win98.

Firebird (nee Phoenix) is pretty cool:
<http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/>.

Other than that, perhaps Opera.

Pete

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02003-04-21 | Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> writes:
> if you aren't willing to try a reasonably modern web client, you might as
> well go back to using gopher.

A pretty inaccurate (and insulting) comparison. What the hell's a
"modern web client"? And why should you need it to publish what's
essentially text on a web server?

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>>I respectfully suggest that you upgrade -- Pete or someone could recommend
>>something more recent that what I'm using.
>
>Sorry, I'm a stick-in-the-mud.  IE 5.5 on Win98.

My workplace upgraded to 6.x several months ago, mostly because one major
vendor's database wouldn't work with 5.x.

During the time that I was helping out with the help desk, I mentally
trembled every time I got a trouble ticket for a Win98 workstation (and we
still have a lot of those).  What kind of diagnostics can you do without
Event Viewer?  And as for the lack of a Services window, I don't even want
to go there.  But then again, I've never really understood Windows
internals in any version.  Frankly, Windows in any version always reminds
me of Doug Engelbart's metaphor of a pencil with a brick tied to one end.

(By the way, and not entirely unapropos, I am extremely grateful for
Google's "Did you mean to search for...?" function.  Who the hell was Doug
Englebart?  Madeleine L'Engle's cousin, perhaps?)

>Firebird (nee Phoenix) is pretty cool:
><http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/>.

>Pete

Firebird/Phoenix seems to be a genuine Geek Consensus, ala the Linksys
BEFSR41 router.

Ken Miller
Techoannalist
William Huskisson Centre for Neoludditc Studies

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Bookrat writes,

>Firebird/Phoenix seems to be a genuine Geek Consensus, ala the Linksys
>BEFSR41 router.

Looks like it's going to be the default Mozilla browser, even:
<http://www.mozillazine.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8410>.

Pete

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At 11:18 PM -0700 4/21/03, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-04-21 | Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> writes:
>> if you aren't willing to try a reasonably modern web client, you might as
>> well go back to using gopher.
>
>A pretty inaccurate (and insulting) comparison. What the hell's a
>"modern web client"? And why should you need it to publish what's
>essentially text on a web server?

"What is text?" said jesting Pilate, and would not stay for an answer.

As Tom Lehrer didn't observe: When correctly viewed, everything is text.
What is code but text?  When all is said and done, what are all the gcc
libraries but text?

With regard to the web, Java and Javascript are the Wave of the Present.  I
don't think that this is a Good Thing, but goodness has nothing to do with
anything.

As I'm sure you are all too aware, most contemporary web pages contain
shitloads of Javascript, and many of them include a bunch of Java and
ActiveX controls.  Tim Berners-Lee wouid be spinning in his grave if he
were dead.

Apparently, eye candy is what hoi polloi wants, or at least it's what the
commercial forces driving today's HTML-space wants hoi polloi to want.  And
who are you or I to stand in the way of Re^H^HProgress?

Ken Miller
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02003-04-21 | Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> writes:
> With regard to the web, Java and Javascript are the Wave of the Present.
> I don't think that this is a Good Thing, but goodness has nothing to do
> with anything.
>
> As I'm sure you are all too aware, most contemporary web pages contain
> shitloads of Javascript, and many of them include a bunch of Java and
> ActiveX controls.  Tim Berners-Lee wouid be spinning in his grave if he
> were dead.
>
> Apparently, eye candy is what hoi polloi wants, or at least it's what the
> commercial forces driving today's HTML-space wants hoi polloi to want.  And
> who are you or I to stand in the way of Re^H^HProgress?

I feel I am hurtling uncontrollably into the future, right
into the middle of 1998 ...

The fact remains that Natalie wants to publish text pages on
a server which serves a protocol roughly as old as Gopher and
which climbed about two decimal points in versions in all these
years. If a simple activity like this needs a highly specific
"modern client", then the blogger platform sucks. Comparing
"older browsers" (the phrase is Netscape's invention) to Gopher
is pretty misleading. So is saying "everything is text".

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> And for whites, the euphemism is "working class."

This is one I've often laughed about with my students (since it shows up
often in sociolinguistics readings).  There are, of course, some rich
<people of leisure> floating around, but my impression is that quite a
few of the richest people in this country have worked pretty hard.  You
can accuse Bill Gates, for example, of all kinds of things.  But
laziness isn't among them.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> You have an  incredible treasure trove. It doesn't belong with
> me - it belongs in a corpus archive. What shape are the tapes
> in? Most of the stuff I know degrades in a relatively short
> time.

I should add that I think copies of all of these tapes exist in Texas.
I'm pretty sure that my co-author made copies of everything we did and
either put them in an archive at Texas A&M or has dragged them around
with him from place to place, meaning that they'd now be in San
Antonio.  I'm almost sure he did copy them.  Otherwise I wouldn't have
ended up with so many of his originals.  I don't have the complete
collection we used for the projects we did back then.  I remember that
there were some gaps in my collection at the end (which didn't matter
since it was the end then).

My describing them as a truckload might be a wee exaggeration, btw.  I
don't remember exactly how many there are.  I don't know what shape the
tapes are in now.  They've been sitting on shelves or in boxes for about
twenty years now, so perhaps they've deteriorated.  They haven't been
played during that time, though they were played over and over during
our tedious tape-auditing times.

> What would I do with them?
> Not enough to deserve to have them, I'm sure. Instead of

Heavens.  I'm suddenly thinking these tapes should be given <serious
thought>.  But your interest in them makes me think you should have
them.  I'll send them to you in a week or so if you really want them.  I
say a week or so because I would like to make copies of a few of them
(like the interview I did with the woman in the purple chapel on the
gravel road).  Also, I have some others you might be interested in
having, tapes not related to any published work I've done.  Somewhere I
have a copy of a tape I sent to Australia, where a theatre group was
doing a Beth Henley play and wanted samples of Mississippi speech, which
I procured by wandering around taping people.  I also have tapes of both
of my parents talking about their childhoods, etc.  Since I have no
mechanism for rapid copying, making a copy of even one 90-minute tape
takes, well, an hour and a half.

> Do either of those archives have preservation facilities for
> audio material?

I don't know.  I would assume that people who deal in archive stuff
would, but I don't really know.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
>>02003-04-21 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
>>
>>>Why would you want them?  What would you do with them?
>>>
>>For instance: put a copy on another medium and make it
>>available. Make retrieval and copying "easier" and more
>>durable. The rough principle is that storage, transfer,
>>and publishing of this stuff is getting cheaper and
>>cheaper, so why not do it. Somebody's going to find
>>a novel use for them, whatever state they are in. The
>>main thing is to make it widely available.
>>
>>This is just "for instance", mind ...
>>
>
> Good point.  A couple of them I gave to the Center for Applied
> Linguistics many years ago.  Somebody there did transcripts that were
> godawfully horrible, which led me to spend a whole weekend correcting
> parts of the transcripts, voluntarily but with a profuse thank-you from
> CAL.  Some or all of the former-slave tapes I discovered in the LC have
> been put online in recent years, but not the Mississippi/Texas '80s
> tapes.


        Florida has a bunch online.  We listened to the ones made by
Hurston when we were doing Their Eyes Were Watching God.




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Betty wrote:
>
> At 09:58 PM 4/21/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> >At 06:05 PM 4/21/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
> >
> >>HIPAA rules!
> >
> >How has affected you and your group?  Many significant changes in the way
> >you (NPI) operate?
> >
> >cwv
>
> It's affecting everyone and there is more to come. This first part that

One of my lunch friends was talking about the problems it's causing for
her research.  She's in gerontology and has found out that it's now
illegal to tell how old research subjects are in certain contexts.  I
don't remember exactly what she said about it except that it is going to
be difficult to discuss certain kinds of age-related matters when ages
have to be kept secret.

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Bookrat wrote:

> And a fine page it is, too!

Well, heavens.  I need to look at it again sometime.  Maybe tonight.
Maybe I'll even add something to it.

> Netscape 6 sucked when it first came out, and it got a fairly bad rap then,
> but I've been using 6.2 for a year now and it works pretty decently for
> most sites.  I respectfully suggest that you upgrade -- Pete or someone
> could recommend something more recent that what I'm using.

I detested Netsape 6.1 or 6.2 or whatever it was (it was definitely a
bit higher than 6.0) when it came on a computer I got at some point.  I
also remember some site that we discussed here before where my 4.7
worked fine but 6.x wouldn't work at all.  However, my main reason for
sticking with 4.7 is not about browsing.  It's that upgrading Navigator
seems to be tied to upgrading Communicator.  That's what I found
mega-sucky in 6.x.  And Communicator is a more important part of my life
than Navigator.

> if you aren't willing to try a reasonably modern web client, you might as
> well go back to using gopher.

I must admit that I'm very glad I'm no longer maintaining gopher sites.
What a pain that was.  Maybe I should start using IE for browsing.  I
wonder whether Netscape will let me put IE in as the automatic browser
to use when clicking upon an url in Netscape Mail.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>And for whites, the euphemism is "working class."
>>
>
> This is one I've often laughed about with my students (since it shows up
> often in sociolinguistics readings).  There are, of course, some rich
> <people of leisure> floating around, but my impression is that quite a
> few of the richest people in this country have worked pretty hard.  You
> can accuse Bill Gates, for example, of all kinds of things.  But
> laziness isn't among them.


        Euphemisms are supposed to fog.

        Our school board passed a mandate to "close the achievement
gap" so we've been having beaucoup race relations dialogs
this year.  The things I learn at them are kinda
interesting, but I don't think we've found many answers.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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17:26 21.04.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>> If you haven't already created a blog and want to, go back to blogger.com and
>> look for the section of the page titled "Your Blogs". Then click the link that
>> says, "Create a new blog". You will get instructions from there, and you'll be
>> a few steps away from creating a weblog.
>>
>> Thanks again for using Blogger. Have fun!
>
>Well, so I went back to blogger.com -- or rather tried to.  It just
>bumped and ground, bumped and ground, bumped and ground.  But at least
>e-mail from the blogpeople comes.

I found that as long as I had an active Proximotron things didn't work. Now I have managed to edit and post, and finally delete posts with Blogger my next question is, how to I publish Unicode texts?

Espen

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20:27 21.04.2003 -0500 skrev Tushar Samant:
>02003-04-21 | "Espen S. Ore" <espen.ore@NB.NO> writes:
>> 18:02 20.04.2003 -0500 skrev Tushar Samant:
>> >02003-04-20 | "Espen S. Ore" <espen.ore@NB.NO> writes:
>> >> I get an error message from MySQL-server at this place, but as far as
>> >> I remember on an easter morning and without checking it, Serbian belongs
>> >> to to the South Slavic languages along with Croat, Slovenian (I believe),
>> >> Macedon, Bosnian (in Montenegro the language is either Serbian or
>> >> extrremely close to it) and then I am not sure about Bulgarian but
>> >> believe it comes in here as well. Russian is East Slavic, I believe
>> >> with Ukrainian and White Russian (and maybe Bulgarian here?).
>> >
>> >All I want to ask is: is this a proprietary database or can I have
>> >a copy? Actually, let me rephrase it. In the holy name of academic
>> >freedom, WHEN can I have a copy? And furthermore, just what does
>> >Biertischbesserweisserei mean? Thank you!
>>
>> ?? The error message came from following a URL you placed in your message:
>
>Oh. I thought there was a database you consult for language genealogies.
>It would be nice to be able to do that on a daily basis ...

http://www.ethnologue.com/

and if you goto

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=656

you can find the slavic sub-families. This is pretty nice but there is a problem in that the level of granularity and the way the hierarchy is built things aren't always comparable. if for instance you look at the Greek language family, under Attic there are both modern dialects and Ancient Greek listed as nodes on the same level while under Doric Greek there is only the modern Tsakonian (spoken still by a few people in Tyros and Leonidhio on the Peloponnese) but not Ancient Doric. Similar <non-logic> ways of doing it can be found for instance with the Germanic languages: Nynorsk and Bokmål are different written forms of Modern Norwegian - both claim that they are suited for all Modern Norwegian. Norn OTOH has been dead for some years and not only pining.

Espen

Espen

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22:32 21.04.2003 -0700 skrev Peter Kaminski:
>Bookrat writes,
>
>>I respectfully suggest that you upgrade -- Pete or someone could recommend
>>something more recent that what I'm using.
>
>Sorry, I'm a stick-in-the-mud.  IE 5.5 on Win98.
>
>Firebird (nee Phoenix) is pretty cool:
><http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/>.
>
>Other than that, perhaps Opera.

Opera doesn't do XSLT.

Espen

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At 07:39 PM 4/21/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>At 09:58 PM 4/21/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>>At 06:05 PM 4/21/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>>
>>>HIPAA rules!
>>
>>How has affected you and your group?  Many significant changes in the way
>>you (NPI) operate?
>>
>>cwv
>
>It's affecting everyone and there is more to come. This first part that
>went into affect April 15 was just the notice of privacy and there is
>mandatory training of all staff. The University of California has decided
>that it wants the same policies for all the campuses so it has become a
><big> deal and very complicated. Everyone has these "Privacy Officers" now
>and attorneys will be employed forever interpreting all the
>regulations.

Ohmigod---sounds like the early days of EEO.

cwv

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Sharon Ziperovich
>Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 8:06 PM
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>
>
>Help! (especially Tushar and Rashmi) I've been trying since Thursday to
>make reservations to travel from SF to Bangalore in July.  I desparately
>need a travel agent who will make a slight effort and use just a little
>imagination but I can't find one.  Can anyone recommend a good travel
>agent?
>
>Sharon
>

What is wrong with Expedia or Travelocity? It is about $1700.

Is Bangalore hot in July?

Alec

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At 05:45 AM 4/22/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> >
> > At 09:58 PM 4/21/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> > >At 06:05 PM 4/21/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
> > >
> > >>HIPAA rules!
> > >
> > >How has affected you and your group?  Many significant changes in the way
> > >you (NPI) operate?
> > >
> > >cwv
> >
> > It's affecting everyone and there is more to come. This first part that
>
>One of my lunch friends was talking about the problems it's causing for
>her research.  She's in gerontology and has found out that it's now
>illegal to tell how old research subjects are in certain contexts.  I
>don't remember exactly what she said about it except that it is going to
>be difficult to discuss certain kinds of age-related matters when ages
>have to be kept secret.

Some people are really picking it apart.  You can always get releases from
research subjects giving you permission to tell their age.

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At 05:51 AM 4/22/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Bookrat wrote:
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> > And a fine page it is, too!
>
>Well, heavens.  I need to look at it again sometime.  Maybe tonight.
>Maybe I'll even add something to it.

I missed where it was. I must have thought I was deleting dream
stuff.  Could you post again, please?

Nice to see you posting, Bookrat!

Betty

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At 09:05 AM 4/22/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 07:39 PM 4/21/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>>At 09:58 PM 4/21/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>>>At 06:05 PM 4/21/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>>>
>>>>HIPAA rules!
>>>
>>>How has affected you and your group?  Many significant changes in the way
>>>you (NPI) operate?
>>>
>>>cwv
>>
>>It's affecting everyone and there is more to come. This first part that
>>went into affect April 15 was just the notice of privacy and there is
>>mandatory training of all staff. The University of California has decided
>>that it wants the same policies for all the campuses so it has become a
>><big> deal and very complicated. Everyone has these "Privacy Officers" now
>>and attorneys will be employed forever interpreting all the
>>regulations.
>
>Ohmigod---sounds like the early days of EEO.
>
>cwv

Everyone was just trying to use less paper and now you should see the paper
this is creating!

Betty

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>
> How are you doing?
>
Not great. I will try to read the POW-money stuff later. Anyway it is
received and in my pile of things to do. Thanks for thinking of me.
Sorry, but I am too out-of-it to write now.

alyce

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D.M:

>So it strikes me funny that a headline tonight is
>"Greenspan to have prostate surgery."

He's a Public Figure. Different rules. I suspect it was his
office that released the information, not the hospital.

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From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> Amana is [am[schwa]n[schwa].  That [a] means the IPA [a], not what
> that[a] represents in some linguistics books -- the IPA lower-case
> handwritten a.  Iow, the [a] in amana is like Southern "I" -- the
> vowelin "my."  Somewhat (though not exactly) like the French vowel
> in "la,"
> which most English-speakers, including me, don't get quite right.

And this explanation just baffles me!

How on earth can an [a] be the vowel in "my"?

Marie

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> > Amana is [am[schwa]n[schwa].  That [a] means the IPA [a], not what
> > that[a] represents in some linguistics books -- the IPA lower-case
> > handwritten a.  Iow, the [a] in amana is like Southern "I" -- the
> > vowel in "my."  Somewhat (though not exactly) like the French vowel
> > in "la,"
> > which most English-speakers, including me, don't get quite right.
>
> And this explanation just baffles me!
>
> How on earth can an [a] be the vowel in "my"?
>
> Marie

Natalie is talking about the way it is sometimes pronounced in
... I am thinking of my aunts and uncles in the Carolinas and
Louisiana. Not all of them say something that sounds like "ah"
to my ear for "I", but some do.

clo

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Clyde:
>>HIPAA rules!
>
>How has affected you and your group?  Many significant changes in the way
>you (NPI) operate?

Spare a thought for the manufacturers who must not only interpret
the rules but also interpret how different hospitals interpret and
implement the new system. Everyone's doing it differently.

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On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > You have an  incredible treasure trove. It doesn't belong with
> > me - it belongs in a corpus archive. What shape are the tapes
> > in? Most of the stuff I know degrades in a relatively short
> > time.
>
> I should add that I think copies of all of these tapes exist in Texas.
> I'm pretty sure that my co-author made copies of everything we did and
> either put them in an archive at Texas A&M or has dragged them around
> with him from place to place, meaning that they'd now be in San
> Antonio.  I'm almost sure he did copy them.  Otherwise I wouldn't have
> ended up with so many of his originals.  I don't have the complete
> collection we used for the projects we did back then.  I remember that
> there were some gaps in my collection at the end (which didn't matter
> since it was the end then).
>
> My describing them as a truckload might be a wee exaggeration, btw.  I
> don't remember exactly how many there are.  I don't know what shape the
> tapes are in now.  They've been sitting on shelves or in boxes for about
> twenty years now, so perhaps they've deteriorated.  They haven't been
> played during that time, though they were played over and over during
> our tedious tape-auditing times.
>
> > What would I do with them?
> > Not enough to deserve to have them, I'm sure. Instead of
>
> Heavens.  I'm suddenly thinking these tapes should be given <serious
> thought>.  But your interest in them makes me think you should have
> them.  I'll send them to you in a week or so if you really want them.  I
> say a week or so because I would like to make copies of a few of them
> (like the interview I did with the woman in the purple chapel on the
> gravel road).  Also, I have some others you might be interested in
> having, tapes not related to any published work I've done.  Somewhere I
> have a copy of a tape I sent to Australia, where a theatre group was
> doing a Beth Henley play and wanted samples of Mississippi speech, which
> I procured by wandering around taping people.  I also have tapes of both
> of my parents talking about their childhoods, etc.  Since I have no
> mechanism for rapid copying, making a copy of even one 90-minute tape
> takes, well, an hour and a half.
>
> > Do either of those archives have preservation facilities for
> > audio material?
>
> I don't know.  I would assume that people who deal in archive stuff
> would, but I don't really know.

I could get my friends to dub them for me pretty quickly, but I understand
you not wanting to let go of them until you have the copies made.

The question of recording quality after such a long time is a real issue,
though. My father taped his sermons in the sixties on a reel-to-reel, in
order to improve them; and in the process he also captured our early
childhood Sunday dinner prattle and some guest sermons from people he
really respected. I tried to get them transferred to another format for
his 75th birthday, but very little had survived. We got about a dozen
renditions of "my little yellow bird has a very sweet song" by various
sibs aged 3-10, and - irritatingly - the sales pitch of the guy who sold
Dad the tape recorder and threw in his demo tape - and very little else
remained.

But Tushar, if he wants to undertake it and has time to do the
digitization - has a good plan for their use. Maybe a joint project?

clo

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At 04:16 PM 4/22/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>D.M:
>
>>So it strikes me funny that a headline tonight is
>>"Greenspan to have prostate surgery."
>
>He's a Public Figure. Different rules. I suspect it was his
>office that released the information, not the hospital.

Yes.  The hospital has enforced guidelines but confidentiality has always
been an important part of any medical facility, imo.

Bety

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>> Amana is [am[schwa]n[schwa].  That [a] means the IPA [a], not what
>> that[a] represents in some linguistics books -- the IPA lower-case
>> handwritten a.  Iow, the [a] in amana is like Southern "I" -- the
>> vowelin "my."  Somewhat (though not exactly) like the French vowel
>> in "la,"
>> which most English-speakers, including me, don't get quite right.
>
>And this explanation just baffles me!
>
>How on earth can an [a] be the vowel in "my"?
>
>Marie

Try this when you're sitting a computer with sound:

http://www2.msstate.edu/~maynor/hi.wav

As explained at the site, it's "a monophthongal [aI] for curious yankees".

Ken Miller
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At 04:36 PM 4/22/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>Clyde:
>>>HIPAA rules!
>>
>>How has affected you and your group?  Many significant changes in the way
>>you (NPI) operate?
>
>Spare a thought for the manufacturers who must not only interpret
>the rules but also interpret how different hospitals interpret and
>implement the new system. Everyone's doing it differently.

Exactly.  It's amazing.  The older medical folks are throwing their arms in
the air.

Betty

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At 12:08 PM 4/22/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > Yes.  The hospital has enforced guidelines but confidentiality has
>always
> > been an important part of any medical facility, imo.
> >
> > Bety
>
>Why all the fuss and the new rules?
>
>               - D. M.

To protect your privacy.  http://www.cms.hhs.gov/hipaa/

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>
> Yes.  The hospital has enforced guidelines but confidentiality has
always
> been an important part of any medical facility, imo.
>
> Bety

Why all the fuss and the new rules?

              - D. M.

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Can anyone find this article? Mine says expired and I cannot get a tiny
link made. It is about a professor buried under a pile of books for
three days and I want to know more.
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/afp/20030422/od_afp/croatia_offbeat_030422112428&e=3

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ZAGREB (AFP) - A Croatian professor spent three days trapped under a pile
of books in his apartment in Zagreb before being saved by a neighbour who
heard his cries for help, a local daily reported.

The unfortunate 60-year-old mathematics professor, identified only by his
initials D.K., spent the Easter weekend lying helplessly on the floor,
trapped between a bed and a book-case under a pile of books that fell on
him, the Jutarnji List daily reported Tuesday.

The neighbour who called the police and paramedics told the daily that the
professor's apartment was very untidy, "filled up with books, tapes,
furniture and food."

"It looked like a real rubbish dump," he said, adding it was hard to
imagine how the rather corpulent professor, weighing some 120 kilos (264
pounds), could freely move around in it.

He was treated for exhaustion and dehydration in his apartment by the
paramedics and recovered enough to refuse hospital treatment.



>Can anyone find this article? Mine says expired and I cannot get a tiny
>link made. It is about a professor buried under a pile of books for
>three days and I want to know more.
>--
>
>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/afp/20030422/od_afp/croatia_offbeat_030422112428&e=3
>
>alyce

    --bonniev

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somebody wrote:
> >
> While waiting to provide blood samples the other day, I read the hospital's
> handout on the new privacy regulations.
========================
I am unable to read this whole long thread that I see before me. But I
can tell you that the main reason for medical privacy acts is to benefit
the insurance companies. They want all info released so as not to be
tricked into issuing insurance policies to people with pre-existing
conditions. But people want to keep that a secret to make it easier to
get insurance.

alyce

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Can anyone find this article? Mine says expired and I cannot get a tiny
> link made. It is about a professor buried under a pile of books for
> three days and I want to know more.
> --
>
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/afp/20030422/od_afp/croatia_offbeat_030422112428&e=3

Croatian professor trapped for three days under pile of books
Tue Apr 22, 7:24 AM ET

ZAGREB (AFP) - A Croatian professor spent three days trapped under a
pile of books in his apartment in Zagreb before being saved by a
neighbour who heard his cries for help, a local daily reported.

The unfortunate 60-year-old mathematics professor, identified only by
his initials D.K., spent the Easter weekend lying helplessly on the
floor, trapped between a bed and a book-case under a pile of books that
fell on him, the Jutarnji List daily reported Tuesday.

The neighbour who called the police and paramedics told the daily that
the professor's apartment was very untidy, "filled up with books, tapes,
furniture and food."

"It looked like a real rubbish dump," he said, adding it was hard to
imagine how the rather corpulent professor, weighing some 120 kilos (264
pounds), could freely move around in it.

He was treated for exhaustion and dehydration in his apartment by the
paramedics and recovered enough to refuse hospital treatment.

--
Take care,
Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
In college I was sleeping under a shelf of books when it fell on me.

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On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Bookrat wrote:

>"What is text?" said jesting Pilate, and would not stay for an answer.
>
>As Tom Lehrer didn't observe: When correctly viewed, everything is text.
>What is code but text?  When all is said and done, what are all the gcc
>libraries but text?

I've been teaching my students "Context is all." Obviously, I must
upgrade: "Text is all."

Bethany

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PS:  If you want to hear an [a], you can go here:

http://www2.msstate.edu/~maynor/

and click on this:

A Monophthongal [aI] for Curious Yankees

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Betty Clark wrote:
> I missed where it was. I must have thought I was deleting dream
> stuff.  Could you post again, please?

I'm trying to remember where it is.
...
Just checked and found it:
nmaynor.blogspot.com

But there's nothing there yet -- except a short explanation of why I
decided to become a blogger, which is I think pretty close to what I had
already said here about that.

> Nice to see you posting, Bookrat!

Yes!

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> > Amana is [am[schwa]n[schwa].  That [a] means the IPA [a], not what
> > that[a] represents in some linguistics books -- the IPA lower-case
> > handwritten a.  Iow, the [a] in amana is like Southern "I" -- the
> > vowelin "my."  Somewhat (though not exactly) like the French vowel
> > in "la,"
> > which most English-speakers, including me, don't get quite right.
>
> And this explanation just baffles me!
>
> How on earth can an [a] be the vowel in "my"?

By tongue and mouth air.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Natalie is talking about the way it is sometimes pronounced in
> ... I am thinking of my aunts and uncles in the Carolinas and
> Louisiana. Not all of them say something that sounds like "ah"
> to my ear for "I", but some do.

No, no!  I didn't say it sounded like "ah"!  I've occasionally in my
life heard mountain dialects with that kind of pronunciation, but that's
not what I was describing.  I'm talking about the IPA symbol [a], which
is not the same as the IPA symbol that I can't make on a keyboard --
little handwritten a, which stands for an "ah" sound.  Probably you
don't have [a] in your dialect at all.  But you're not terribly far from
New England, where you sometimes here it in words like path.

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In writing that ps posting I went to my web page to find out what to say
to click on (re the [a]), and I discovered something interesting.  I was
able to cut and paste when using Netscape -- i.e., I dragged the mouse
over that line about monophthongal [aI] and said "copy" and then pasted
it into the e-mail.  IE wouldn't let me do that -- it refused to let me
copy it.
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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> I could get my friends to dub them for me pretty quickly, but I understand
> you not wanting to let go of them until you have the copies made.

I wouldn't mind.  Or at least I wouldn't mind with any of them other
than the ones of my parents.  And I did make copies of those to give my
niece and nephew a long time ago.  I'm sure my nephew's copies are long
lost by now.  My niece's probably still exist, though.

> The question of recording quality after such a long time is a real issue,
> though. My father taped his sermons in the sixties on a reel-to-reel, in

My guess is that there might have been improvement in the tape qualities
between the sixties and the eighties, but I don't know.  I don't know
whether the comparison with movie reels is relevant, but I had a bunch
of home movies converted to videotapes a while back, with only one reel
too brittle to copy.  That one reel was from about 1949 and had been
stored (as had all of them) in extreme heat at times and been generally
abused.  The ones from '50 onward worked fine.

> But Tushar, if he wants to undertake it and has time to do the
> digitization - has a good plan for their use. Maybe a joint project?

Whatever is ok with me.

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Betty Clark wrote:

> >He's a Public Figure. Different rules. I suspect it was his
> >office that released the information, not the hospital.
>
> Yes.  The hospital has enforced guidelines but confidentiality has always
> been an important part of any medical facility, imo.

Where is the line drawn between a Public Figure and a non Public
Figure?

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Bookrat wrote:

> Try this when you're sitting a computer with sound:
>
> http://www2.msstate.edu/~maynor/hi.wav
>
> As explained at the site, it's "a monophthongal [aI] for curious yankees".

Right.  A monophthongal [aI] = [a].  (Sometimes you see [a] used for the
little handwritten a in linguistics books since if you're talking just
about English phonemes, you don't need [a].  It's like you sometimes see
[y] used for [j], which I do not like at all since it would cause
confusion if studying Old or Middle English, where the vowel [y] existed
or if studying French, where you have [y] in words like tu ([ty]).

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > Natalie is talking about the way it is sometimes pronounced in
> > ... I am thinking of my aunts and uncles in the Carolinas and
> > Louisiana. Not all of them say something that sounds like "ah"
> > to my ear for "I", but some do.
>
> No, no!  I didn't say it sounded like "ah"!  I've occasionally in my
> life heard mountain dialects with that kind of pronunciation, but that's
> not what I was describing.  I'm talking about the IPA symbol [a], which
> is not the same as the IPA symbol that I can't make on a keyboard --
> little handwritten a, which stands for an "ah" sound.  Probably you
> don't have [a] in your dialect at all.  But you're not terribly far from
> New England, where you sometimes here it in words like path.

Yep, I know it doesn't *really* sound like ah - at least in your part
of the world. In my western NY dialect with it's "flattened" a,
hot and dog and orange (ar' Inj) and Auburn and top and are all pretty
much the same. In fact, I once flunked a cueing test partly on the
assumption (of D.C. dwellers) that there should be a difference
between "pot" and "god" or "wall" - but, as I was able to show, these
are distinctions that a lot of us here just don't really produce, and
therefore shouldn't be marked off on.

That's why I said some of them sound like "ah" to my ear - my ear
being a stand-in for Yankee notions about how "my" and "I"
are pronounced.

clo

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w are you doing?
> >
> Not great. I will try to read the POW-money stuff later. Anyway it is
> received and in my pile of things to do. Thanks for thinking of me.
> Sorry, but I am too out-of-it to write now.

Is Jeff there now?  I hope you're not by yourself.  I think of you often
during the day. Would it be possible for someone around you to just drop
us a line on days when you're too tired to sit at the computer?  I hope
so because I selfishly want to know how you're doing every day.

Take it easy and know that many of us are thinking of you with love.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Betty Clark wrote:
>
>>>He's a Public Figure. Different rules. I suspect it was his
>>>office that released the information, not the hospital.
>>
>>Yes.  The hospital has enforced guidelines but confidentiality has always
>>been an important part of any medical facility, imo.
>
> Where is the line drawn between a Public Figure and a non Public
> Figure?

        Actually I think there is some sort of legal distinction made.  From
what I've heard, seeking publicity (as in running for public office or
getting yourself a talent agent) loses you certain privacies, meaning
that tabloid photographers can snap photos of you and go through your
trash with greater impunity.  You can sue them if they print scandalous
things, but courts often rule that you were the one who sought publicity
in the first place, so you can't really complain about having it.  But I
could have heard wrong.

        Then there's Betty's point: it's up to you (or to your designated
publicity agents) whether you want to try to keep the details of your
private life private or not; I suppose Greenspan's office decided it
would be better for the jittery economy if his hospital visit were
announced officially rather than discovered by nosy reporters.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Yep, I know it doesn't *really* sound like ah - at least in your part
> of the world.

There's a big difference between the [a] I'm talking about and the "ah"
sound.  That's why I was befuddled by what one of my students at UT was
saying one day in class.  I'm sure I've told the story before about the
student talking about a fahr tahr.  I, not being used to East Tennessee
dialects, said, "a what?"  He said it again, and I continued not to
comprehend.  Finally I caught on when he said, "You know -- a tahr like
over in the park [Smoky Mountain Nat'l Park] that the rangers go up to
look for fahrs."  In my dialect a fire tower would be [fa{schwa]r
taw{schwa}r].

> In my western NY dialect with it's "flattened" a,
> hot and dog and orange (ar' Inj) and Auburn and top and are all pretty
> much the same.

To me hot and orange are the same, but dog and Auburn both have the
backwards c symbol -- aw.

> between "pot" and "god" or "wall" - but, as I was able to show, these

There also I would have the mid-back "aw" in wall.  But pot and god
would both have "ah."

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Tom Lee wrote:

> > Where is the line drawn between a Public Figure and a non Public
> > Figure?
>
>         Actually I think there is some sort of legal distinction made.  From
> what I've heard, seeking publicity (as in running for public office or
> getting yourself a talent agent) loses you certain privacies, meaning
> that tabloid photographers can snap photos of you and go through your
> trash with greater impunity.  You can sue them if they print scandalous
> things, but courts often rule that you were the one who sought publicity
> in the first place, so you can't really complain about having it.  But I
> could have heard wrong.

I'm sure there is a legal distinction of some kind.  It's just that I'm
not sure exactly what it is.  Running for office would make sense as
putting yourself into <the public arena>, even if it's only running for
the Board of Aldermen in Starkville.  But I'm thinking now about
appointed positions and such.  Like Karl Rove is presumably a Public
Figure, but what about somebody in some kind of minor, low-profile White
House position?  Or what about somebody in a profession that sometimes
gets him/her into the news.  If you win a Nobel Prize, you might be
assumed to have become a Public Figure.  What about if you win a less
famous award?  Etc.

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I just remembered something I was going to say early this morning in the
discussion of my various tapes.  I think I mentioned that I have copies
of those six tapes of former slaves that languished in the LC unnoticed
for years (the tapes, not the slaves) and that I almost accidentally
discovered while working with the Rawick slave narrative material.
Those tapes are well disseminated now.  Among other ways, through this
book with accompanying tape, published several years ago:

http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9811/slavery.html

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At 04:17 PM 4/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > >He's a Public Figure. Different rules. I suspect it was his
> > >office that released the information, not the hospital.
> >
> > Yes.  The hospital has enforced guidelines but confidentiality has always
> > been an important part of any medical facility, imo.
>
>Where is the line drawn between a Public Figure and a non Public
>Figure?

The hospital would treat them the same. They can't release any specific
information unless the Figure has given permission.

Betty

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Betty Clark wrote:

> >Where is the line drawn between a Public Figure and a non Public
> >Figure?
>
> The hospital would treat them the same. They can't release any specific
> information unless the Figure has given permission.

What if the POTUS arrived there unconscious?  (Or is it written into a
POTUS's <contract> that medical info will be provided to the public no
matter what?)

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I just wrote fan mail to William Raspberry.  I've always liked his
columns, but I've especially liked them re the Iraq mess.  Suddenly a
little while ago I realized that his e-mail address is given at the
bottom of his column in the SDN, after the little blurb pointing out
that he's a native Mississippian.  I figure if it's there, it must be ok
to use it.  So I wrote him and told him that I liked his
fair-mindedness, his style, and his good sense.  My subject header was
"Fan Mail."  I don't know whether a columnist working for the Washington
Post reads his own e-mail or whether underlings do.  I guess the latter,
especially if his e-mail address is sitting there in newspapers all over
the place.  Surely he doesn't have to personally wade through offers of
penis-enlargement.  (That just made me laugh in thinking of something
I'd add there if Wordslers were blacker.  To a
most-of-the-time-lily-white group, it might be somehow twisted into
racism.  Not, though.  I intend to tell some black friends about my
funny afterthought first thing tomorrow.)
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Do tinyurls last forever (or at least as long as what they've tinied is
still there)?  I was just thinking about what I might add to my new
blog.  I'm not sure yet but have been thinking about starting with some
old stuff -- like Byrd's excellent Senate speech in February.  If I
tinyurl it for the blog, will that tinyurl continue to work?
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At 05:23 PM 4/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > >Where is the line drawn between a Public Figure and a non Public
> > >Figure?
> >
> > The hospital would treat them the same. They can't release any specific
> > information unless the Figure has given permission.
>
>What if the POTUS arrived there unconscious?  (Or is it written into a
>POTUS's <contract> that medical info will be provided to the public no
>matter what?)

I'm sorry.  What is the question?  I don't have a copy of his contract.

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Betty Clark wrote:
> > > >Where is the line drawn between a Public Figure and a non Public
> > > >Figure?
> > >
> > > The hospital would treat them the same. They can't release any specific
> > > information unless the Figure has given permission.
> >
> >What if the POTUS arrived there unconscious?  (Or is it written into a
> >POTUS's <contract> that medical info will be provided to the public no
> >matter what?)
>
> I'm sorry.  What is the question?  I don't have a copy of his contract.

My question is whether the POTUS, even if unconscious, would have to
give permission for the hospital to release medical info.  Not that
today's rules are the same as they were back then, but when JFK was
dying in Parkland Hospital, was the hospital allowed automatically to
release medical info since he was POTUS?  If not, who gave permission?

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This is an interesting (imho) human-interest-type description of life in
(her part of) Iraq right now, with amusing things like turning gas-mask
carriers into purses ("air base chic"):

http://www.arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=25515

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02003-04-22 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Marie Ascher wrote:
> > From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>
> > > Amana is [am[schwa]n[schwa].  That [a] means the IPA [a], not what
> > > that[a] represents in some linguistics books -- the IPA lower-case
> > > handwritten a.  Iow, the [a] in amana is like Southern "I" -- the
> > > vowel in "my."  Somewhat (though not exactly) like the French vowel
> > > in "la,"
> > > which most English-speakers, including me, don't get quite right.
> >
> > And this explanation just baffles me!
> >
> > How on earth can an [a] be the vowel in "my"?
>
> Natalie is talking about the way it is sometimes pronounced in
> ... I am thinking of my aunts and uncles in the Carolinas and
> Louisiana. Not all of them say something that sounds like "ah"
> to my ear for "I", but some do.

There is absolutely no similarity between "ah" and "Southern
I". Kindly don't mislead. The correct explanation is, imagine
a southern person saying "my".

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I think it was not long after I expressed this wondering before that the
list went all ballistic in other ways so that I might have missed the
answer if anybody knows it.  (And I'm sure it's an easy one to find --
probably any military person, including our local ROTC personnel, would
know the answer -- but IMFTAOTL.)  As I think I said before, I kept
wondering about the logistics of gathering up POWs, especially in the
early stages of the war.  I don't <need> to know the answer.  I just
find that my mind gets intrigued by all sorts of odd little questions --
like, as I think I mentioned before, my wondering when seeing pictures
of a good many soldiers wearing glasses what would happen if the glasses
were broken.

So what did they do with the POWs?  Here you are heading throught the
desert with a mission, and you are gathering large numbers of POWs along
the way.  I know that the wounded ones were sent away to the medical
ships along with the wounded US soldiers.  But I'm talking about the
healthy ones.  It wouldn't seem exactly practical to try to cart them
along to Baghdad.  That means that presumably they were put somewhere
along the route.  Were there special tent camps for them, with some kind
of mechanism for keeping them from bolting -- as in either fences or
lots of guards?  As the US troops moved onward, did they leave the tent
camps they had been staying in behind, perhaps converted to POW camps
with added fencing or guards?  Am I mutant for wondering about things
like this?
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> There is absolutely no similarity between "ah" and "Southern
> I". Kindly don't mislead. The correct explanation is, imagine
> a southern person saying "my".

You are very smart, Tushykins.  And you don't even have to imagine if
you have a computer with sound.  You can go to my work website and here
I, which rhymes with my.

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02003-04-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> I'd add there if Wordslers were blacker.  To a

As far as I know there's been one black person on words-l,
ever. Even that's just a guess. She left pretty soon.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I'd add there if Wordslers were blacker.  To a
>
> As far as I know there's been one black person on words-l,
> ever. Even that's just a guess. She left pretty soon.

That's my guess also.  I remember that Barbara Dotson(?-- I think that
was her name) was AA -- or at least my memory is that she said she was
-- can't remember for absolutely sure, but I can't think of any others,
except perhaps lurkers.  I find that very weird.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> So what did they do with the POWs?

    The last I heard was that they were turned over to a bermed and fenced
compound in the south run by the Brits.  They live in tents, but, like
Guantanamo, they've been visited by the IRC and approved.

> Here you are heading throught the
> desert with a mission, and you are gathering large numbers of POWs along
> the way.

    There haven't really been that many.  Most just dropped their weapons,
shed their uniforms, and went home.

>  Am I mutant for wondering about things
> like this?

    No.

JMW

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02003-04-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > There is absolutely no similarity between "ah" and "Southern
> > I". Kindly don't mislead. The correct explanation is, imagine
> > a southern person saying "my".
>
> You are very smart, Tushykins.  And you don't even have to imagine if
> you have a computer with sound.  You can go to my work website and here
> I, which rhymes with my.

I heard it, but I truly didn't have to. Just because I can't
reproduce it doesn't mean I can't recall it ... Nice throaty
aristrocratic voice there, Maynor! Wooo-hoo-r-r-r-r-r! What's
with all the lying about "trailerpark ancestors"? Some kind
of street cred thing? Anyway, this reminds me of the story
of my total phonetical incompetence: one day long, long ago
I was talking to a taxi driver who sounded strange, so I
asked him where he was from and he was from Mississippi.
After that I asked about 7 black guys who "sounded like
him" if they were from Mississippi, and their answer was,
"no man, I'm from Chicago" (deduce the intended answer--
"what the hell's wrong with you?") Anyway, at least I gave
up on my fake ass Doolittle thing ...

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I think Peter (?) from Jamaica was brown-skinned.

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:51 pm
Subject: Re: Fan Mail

> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > I'd add there if Wordslers were blacker.  To a
> >
> > As far as I know there's been one black person on words-l,
> > ever. Even that's just a guess. She left pretty soon.
>
> That's my guess also.  I remember that Barbara Dotson(?-- I think that
> was her name) was AA -- or at least my memory is that she said she was
> -- can't remember for absolutely sure, but I can't think of any
> others,except perhaps lurkers.  I find that very weird.
>
> --
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>

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At 05:54 PM 4/22/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > So what did they do with the POWs?
>
>     The last I heard was that they were turned over to a bermed and fenced
>compound in the south run by the Brits.  They live in tents, but, like
>Guantanamo, they've been visited by the IRC and approved.
>
> > Here you are heading throught the
> > desert with a mission, and you are gathering large numbers of POWs along
> > the way.
>
>     There haven't really been that many.  Most just dropped their weapons,
>shed their uniforms, and went home.
>
> >  Am I mutant for wondering about things
> > like this?
>
>     No.
>
>JMW

I'm glad they told us where ours were, too, so we could go get them!   How
many do we have "missing" now? I don't like to be missing any.

Betty

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02003-04-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > I'd add there if Wordslers were blacker.  To a
> >
> > As far as I know there's been one black person on words-l,
> > ever. Even that's just a guess. She left pretty soon.
>
> That's my guess also.  I remember that Barbara Dotson(?-- I think that
> was her name) was AA -- or at least my memory is that she said she was
> -- can't remember for absolutely sure, but I can't think of any others,
> except perhaps lurkers.  I find that very weird.

Barbara Dotson, that's the name. What's weird about it, though?
I mean, Ken Miller can barely stay on this damn white list...

However, the prof from, was it Zimbabwe. In the strictest sense,
there are two we know.

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John Williams wrote:

> > So what did they do with the POWs?
>
>     The last I heard was that they were turned over to a bermed and fenced
> compound in the south run by the Brits.  They live in tents, but, like
> Guantanamo, they've been visited by the IRC and approved.

Thanks.  So was that compound close enough to where they were captured
to make it reasonable to get them to it?  That's the kind of thing I've
been wondering about -- like how you can deal with all these people --
as in whether places for them were created sort of <on the spot> or
there was physical shuffling of them to wherever -- with transportation
needed, etc.  (I don't get your "but" after "they live in tents."  I
would assume that if they were living in that environment, it would be
in tents.  My question was about whether they were living in tents in
the desert or whether they were somehow moved to some place far away.)

>     There haven't really been that many.  Most just dropped their weapons,
> shed their uniforms, and went home.

How does one decide which to take as prisoners?  Is it a matter of
whether they had managed to shed their uniform before you saw them?

> >  Am I mutant for wondering about things
> > like this?
>
>     No.

Thank you.  I was beginning to feel rather mutant about it since nobody
had answered the question I asked a few days ago and since I thought
surely somebody on Words-L would have an answer.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> little handwritten a, which stands for an "ah" sound.  Probably you
> don't have [a] in your dialect at all.  But you're not terribly
> far from
> New England, where you sometimes here it in words like path.

Bath and path don't (exactly) rhyme with math for me.

Marie

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> I think Peter (?) from Jamaica was brown-skinned.

No, he said he was white.  I can't remember whether he said anything
about the race of his wife, but I'm assuming <brown-skinned> on the
basis of the pictures of his children.

I wish Peter would return to us.  I predict he will at some point.  He's
always been a comer and goer.

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> ships along with the wounded US soldiers.  But I'm talking about the
> healthy ones.  It wouldn't seem exactly practical to try to cart them
> along to Baghdad.  That means that presumably they were put somewhere
> along the route.  Were there special tent camps for them, with some
kind
> of mechanism for keeping them from bolting -- as in either fences or
> lots of guards?  As the US troops moved onward, did they leave the
tent
> camps they had been staying in behind, perhaps converted to POW camps
> with added fencing or guards?  Am I mutant for wondering about things
> like this?
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I have wondered too.  Don't have the answers.

             - D. M.

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02003-04-22 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> I think Peter (?) from Jamaica was brown-skinned.
>
> Marie

No ... just his kids ... har har

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On 22 Apr 2003 at 19:44, Tushar Samant wrote:

> As far as I know there's been one black person on words-l,
> ever. Even that's just a guess. She left pretty soon.

I believe there was a guy living in Atlanta on the list for a
while. I don't remember his name now.

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On 22 Apr 2003 at 19:36, Tushar Samant wrote:

> There is absolutely no similarity between "ah" and "Southern
> I". Kindly don't mislead. The correct explanation is, imagine
> a southern person saying "my".

Kindly don't mislead by implying that there is a single southern
speech pattern.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>
> >How on earth can an [a] be the vowel in "my"?
>
> Try this when you're sitting a computer with sound:
>
> http://www2.msstate.edu/~maynor/hi.wav
>
> As explained at the site, it's "a monophthongal [aI] for curious
> yankees".

Thanks. Good to hear it, but it sounded like just a slightly twisted "I" to me. I still have no idea how to pronounce amana. Where's the stress?

Please leave messages at 914-594-3168.

Marie

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----- Original Message -----
From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> Betty Clark wrote:
> > >He's a Public Figure. Different rules. I suspect it was his
> > >office that released the information, not the hospital.
> >
> > Yes.  The hospital has enforced guidelines but confidentiality
> has always
> > been an important part of any medical facility, imo.
>
> Where is the line drawn between a Public Figure and a non Public
> Figure?

Hospitals/doctors/medical personnel don't release any information about any of their patients to anyone except other medical personnel, period. Like Rashmi said, the release re Rumsfeld was most likely released by his own office.

Marie

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Tushar Samant wrote:

>  Just because I can't
> reproduce it doesn't mean I can't recall it ...

Yes.  That is one of my main frustrations in foreign-language attempts.
I know exactly what sounds wrong about my accent and can hear/recall
perfectly the perfect French or whatever accent.  But that does not mean
I can reproduce it.

> Nice throaty
> aristrocratic voice there, Maynor!

Ohh, yessss!  You are very smart, Tushykins.

> Wooo-hoo-r-r-r-r-r! What's
> with all the lying about "trailerpark ancestors"?

I've never claimed trailerpark ancestors.  I do claim redneck mountain
ancestors.  They would've lived in trailerparks except that trailers
didn't exist back then.  I'm sure I've told before about my bastard
gg-grandfather who died in the Civil War (of pneumonia) with $4 (that
was in his Civil War records I found) and whose wife then had another
baby well over nine months after his death.  But then there are my
ancestors alleged to have been royalty in Ireland and England (and in
one version France).  This kind of thing really is interesting about
genealogy -- the huge hodgepodge of royalty and redneck in what is
probably the typical US background.

Here is one interesting thing, though:  I noticed after getting into
dialectology that my father's speech had some of the old Southern
aristocratic features.  And then when I got into genealogy, I discovered
that his family was at least somewhat <aristocratic> for many
generations.  Nothing in what either of my parents had ever told me
would have suggested that.

> asked him where he was from and he was from Mississippi.
> After that I asked about 7 black guys who "sounded like
> him" if they were from Mississippi, and their answer was,
> "no man, I'm from Chicago" (deduce the intended answer--

I'm sure I've told before how on three different occasions in the state
of Illinois I was thought to be British, including the time the
bartender in the basement of the Randolph St. station absolutely swore I
was from London and would not accept my argument that I was from
Mississippi.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > > As far as I know there's been one black person on words-l,
> > > ever. Even that's just a guess. She left pretty soon.
> >
> > That's my guess also.  I remember that Barbara Dotson(?-- I think that
> > was her name) was AA -- or at least my memory is that she said she was
> > -- can't remember for absolutely sure, but I can't think of any others,
> > except perhaps lurkers.  I find that very weird.
>
> Barbara Dotson, that's the name. What's weird about it, though?
> I mean, Ken Miller can barely stay on this damn white list...

It seems weird to me because I'm not used to being in settings this
lily-white.

> However, the prof from, was it Zimbabwe. In the strictest sense,
> there are two we know.

My vague memory of him is that he was a white USAer living in Zimbabwe.
I may be wrong, though.

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I am concerned about the effect that HIPAA will have on public health surveillance activities. I have dreamt of automated data collection from diagnostic labs, and that is likely all lost for  now.quite a while now.

Marie

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02003-04-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> It seems weird to me because I'm not used to being in settings this
> lily-white.

Few wordslers are. I mean many of us live and work in--heh, heh--urban
environments.

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What a woman! - remember  "Mississippi Goddam," Natalie? She died
yesterday.

Bethany

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02003-04-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Marie Ascher wrote:
> >
> > I think Peter (?) from Jamaica was brown-skinned.
>
> No, he said he was white.  I can't remember whether he said anything
> about the race of his wife, but I'm assuming <brown-skinned> on the
> basis of the pictures of his children.

No need to deduce--her picture was up there too.

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02003-04-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> I've never claimed trailerpark ancestors.  I do claim redneck mountain
> ancestors.  They would've lived in trailerparks except that trailers
> didn't exist back then.  I'm sure I've told before about my bastard
> gg-grandfather who died in the Civil War (of pneumonia) with $4 (that
> was in his Civil War records I found) and whose wife then had another
> baby well over nine months after his death.  But then there are my
> ancestors alleged to have been royalty in Ireland and England (and in
> one version France).  This kind of thing really is interesting about
> genealogy -- the huge hodgepodge of royalty and redneck in what is
> probably the typical US background.
>
> Here is one interesting thing, though:  I noticed after getting into
> dialectology that my father's speech had some of the old Southern
> aristocratic features.  And then when I got into genealogy, I discovered
> that his family was at least somewhat <aristocratic> for many
> generations.  Nothing in what either of my parents had ever told me
> would have suggested that.

Thanks for this informative update.

> I'm sure I've told before how on three different occasions in the
> state of Illinois I was thought to be British, including the time the
> bartender in the basement of the Randolph St. station absolutely swore
> I was from London and would not accept my argument that I was from
> Mississippi.

Well, the first thing they did when they renovated the station
is fire his ignorant ass.

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Marie Ascher wrote:
> I still have no idea how to pronounce amana. Where's the stress?

First syllable.  With very strong secondary stress on the second
syllable.

> Please leave messages at 914-594-3168.

Shall I leave an amana for you?  If I were sure nobody would answer, I'd
do so right now.  But I would be thrown into the dithers if somebody
answered.

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> Hospitals/doctors/medical personnel don't release any information about any of their patients to anyone except other medical personnel, period. Like Rashmi said, the release re Rumsfeld was most likely released by his own office.

Greenspan.  But I'm thinking about these various hospital personnel who
talk about the conditions of famous people.  I've seen them on the
electric teevee doing so.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I have wondered too.  Don't have the answers.

I am feeling less and less mutant for having wondered about it and
therefore feeling better.  I really don't like feeling mutant.

But re feelings, I am feeling majorly down tonight in worry about
Alyce.  I know we are not talking about it, but I know we are all
thinking about it.  And I know she does not want us to quit talking
about other things and dwell on her situation.  But I just had to say it
since I know we're all feeling it.

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> Kindly don't mislead by implying that there is a single southern
> speech pattern.

You are very smart.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> What a woman! - remember  "Mississippi Goddam," Natalie? She died
> yesterday.

No, I don't remember "Mississippi Goddam."  When was it from?

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > No, he said he was white.  I can't remember whether he said anything
> > about the race of his wife, but I'm assuming <brown-skinned> on the
> > basis of the pictures of his children.
>
> No need to deduce--her picture was up there too.

I just remember the pictures of the children -- and remember the birth
of one of them -- as in he was on the list at that time.  That was the
second one, wasn't it?  I think list births are very special -- Rod
Kessler's baby was one of the first list births, iirc.  And there was
Gwynnie.  And Edward Sherman.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Thanks for this informative update.

You are quite welcome.  I live to serve others.

> Well, the first thing they did when they renovated the station
> is fire his ignorant ass.

When was the renovation?  I'm guessing he might have died before it
occurred?  But he did make good Brandy Alexanders.  That's where Richie
and I sat and figured out all kinds of profound things re language and
society.

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> > Please leave messages at 914-594-3168.
>
> Shall I leave an amana for you?  If I were sure nobody would
> answer, I'd
> do so right now.  But I would be thrown into the dithers if somebody
> answered.

No one will answer. It's a phone on my desk in my office at work.

Marie

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On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>No, I don't remember "Mississippi Goddam."  When was it from?

"Simone was a crucial voice in the civil rights era, when some of her most
striking work addressed the horrors and injustices attending blacks in the
South, incendiary tracts like "Mississippi Goddam" (inspired by the 1963
Birmingham church bombing that killed four black girls), "Old Jim Crow"
and "Backlash Blues" (based on a poem written for Simone by Langston
Hughes). Like jazz artists Abbey Lincoln, Max Roach and Charles Mingus,
Simone used her populist platform to shine a bright light into ugly
corners of American society."

See: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8085-2003Apr21.html

Bethany

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----- Original Message -----
From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> Greenspan.

I realized my mistake just after sending -- I guess I have Rumsfeld on the brain.

But I'm thinking about these various hospital
> personnel who
> talk about the conditions of famous people.  I've seen them on the
> electric teevee doing so.

I'm not pulling up any images. I would think it would only be with the permission of the patient that a health care provider would discuss anything about a case.

Marie

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---- Original Message -----
From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>>
second one, wasn't it?  I think list births are very special -- Rod
> Kessler's baby was one of the first list births, iirc.  And there was
> Gwynnie.  And Edward Sherman.

And Emily and Simon Harminc, of course.

Yes, I figures Peter Levy was black because of the pictures of his children. And his being from Jamaica of course. But I do remember now that that belief was dispelled. I guess at some time I decided to go back to it.

Marie

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In a message dated 04/22/2003 9:36:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
It seems weird to me because I'm not used to being in settings this
lily-white.

>>

I grew up in such a world; both Cuyahoga Falls and Mogadore were
very much caucasian.  In fact, Cuyahoga Falls is called "Caucasian
Falls" by many people in NE Ohio.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> I have wondered too.  Don't have the answers.
You might find answers here :  http://www.aiipowmia.com/iraq/

This is the URL I gave Alyce yesterday.  It provides daily updates on
the POWs in Iraq.

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> Marie Ascher wrote:
> > I still have no idea how to pronounce amana. Where's the stress?

I am going to -> I'm gonna -> Im'unna -> Amana

This is a description of the sound, not of any actual evolution.

Actually it's a description of a guess, I have never heard the sound.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote (_Sat_, 19 Apr) :

>   Spring.  Yeah. Finally.

It is.

Have you noticed that spring is there usually on weekends, mostly Saturdays? :)

This year I've thought, "Spring, finally" at least thrice, always on Saturdays,
one warmer every time than the previous ones some weeks earlier.

There's a nest of crows in the middle of our yard on a birch -- a yard of four
five-storeyed apartment blocks. 'She' is sitting on the eggs, and sometimes
goes for a fly and a walk, taking her funny crowsteps on the birch next to
theirs.

Kristin

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whimsy wrote:

> alyce cresap:
>  in this auction on ebay.
> =
>
> >I resemble these people.  But I have better taste in furniture.

Just to mention: I like much of IKEA, though not everything. And I do not think
IKEA always should imply of inpersonality in taste.

In other people's homes I may admire antique furniture, carvings on the wood, or
whatever, in my home I like light furniture (both as to its weight and colour),
simple, but with a design of a slightly strange shift from purely functional.
Unfortunately IKEA won't sell its production here: too small a market, they say.
Some people bring their items from Helsinki and Stockholm. But this adds to the
price, of course.

Kristin

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Is there a non-rabbit version, i.e., can you use chicken?
> I like rabbits.

I hope rabbits or bunnies visited you last weekend -- and this queer
remark was meant to serve as an introduction to wishing Happy Birthday!
to you five days later. I hope you had a good day.

Kristin

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alyce cresap wrote:

> I hope they can fix him and that I don't get whatever it is.
>
> Fraught with fear, pity, etc.

:-(

We can also see that you have not posted much during recent days. I hope
he'll be well and you'll get help, and that we'll hear about it when you
can write messages again. Hopefully your good neighbours know that you're
alone and can lend a hand.

Kristin

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >No, I don't remember "Mississippi Goddam."  When was it from?
>
> "Simone was a crucial voice in the civil rights era, when some of her most
> striking work addressed the horrors and injustices attending blacks in the
> South, incendiary tracts like "Mississippi Goddam" (inspired by the 1963
> Birmingham church bombing that killed four black girls), "Old Jim Crow"
> and "Backlash Blues" (based on a poem written for Simone by Langston
> Hughes). Like jazz artists Abbey Lincoln, Max Roach and Charles Mingus,
> Simone used her populist platform to shine a bright light into ugly
> corners of American society."
>
> See: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8085-2003Apr21.html

No time to chase the url this morning, but I probably will later today
or tonight.  One thought that occurs to me is that I bet most
Mississippi radio stations weren't playing songs with titles like that.
I was rarely out of Mississippi in '63.  Otoh, I was rarely in
Mississippi in '64, though I'm wondering right now how much radio I
heard in '64.  I don't remember having a radio in the dorm room, I
didn't have a car, and I don't remember radios being present the summer
of '64 when I was in upstate NY living in a camp without electricity
(except in the owners' cabin).

Will ponder this more later.  Gotta move rapidly now.

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> And Emily and Simon Harminc, of course.

Oh yes.

> Yes, I figures Peter Levy was black because of the pictures of his children. And

I also assumed he was until he said he wasn't.

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> But I'm thinking about these various hospital
> > personnel who
> > talk about the conditions of famous people.  I've seen them on the
> > electric teevee doing so.
>
> I'm not pulling up any images. I would think it would only be with the permission of the patient that a health care provider would discuss anything about a case.

I'm picturing white-coated doctors standing at podiums in little
hospital auditoriums talking about the medical condition of somebody
famous and having their words and images beamed out over electric
teevee.  But for some reason I can't think of any specific such images
at the moment.  What about when Reagan was shot?  I can't really
remember.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Marie Ascher wrote:
> > > I still have no idea how to pronounce amana. Where's the stress?
>
> I am going to -> I'm gonna -> Im'unna -> Amana
>
> This is a description of the sound, not of any actual evolution.

Marie will know when she gets to work this morning.
>
> Actually it's a description of a guess, I have never heard the sound.

Oh dear.  You should've left a phone number.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> > Is there a non-rabbit version, i.e., can you use chicken?
> > I like rabbits.
>
> I hope rabbits or bunnies visited you last weekend -- and this queer
> remark was meant to serve as an introduction to wishing Happy Birthday!
> to you five days later. I hope you had a good day.

What??  DId we miss Evelyn's birthday?  We are getting really, really
bad!

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In a message dated 04/23/2003 5:55:42 AM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
What??  DId we miss Evelyn's birthday?  We are getting really, really
bad!

>>

That's OK, everyone else (except for Mom and Michelle) did too.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > In my western NY dialect with it's "flattened" a,
> > hot and dog and orange (ar' Inj) and Auburn and top and are all pretty
> > much the same.
>
> To me hot and orange are the same, but dog and Auburn both have the
> backwards c symbol -- aw.
>
> > between "pot" and "god" or "wall" - but, as I was able to show, these
>
> There also I would have the mid-back "aw" in wall.  But pot and god
> would both have "ah."
>

Yeah, but up here, all bets are off. It's one of the things that makes
working with sounds here fun. My mother (NC Piedmont) used to say that
people in the town where I grew up (upstate NY) used sound she had never
heard until she went to Scarritt (TN) - she thought of it as Appalachian.

And there's a demarcation between upstate central and upstate west
that's a definable line, which I love to demonstrate in cueing classes by
asking everybody in the room to say "water".

People argue ad infinitum over the "right" way to say certain words based
on the assumption that everybody says things the way they do - or <ought>
to. But nobody can violate their own accent without screwing up their
ability to learn to cue fluently. So teaching everyone to accept each
others' variants becomes as important as teaching them what to do with
their hands.

btw - I use American Tongues in my transliterator classes.

clo

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote re "Mississippi Goddam":

>or tonight.  One thought that occurs to me is that I bet most
>Mississippi radio stations weren't playing songs with titles like that.
>I was rarely out of Mississippi in '63.  Otoh, I was rarely in
>Mississippi in '64, though I'm wondering right now how much radio I
>heard in '64.  I don't remember having a radio in the dorm room, I
>didn't have a car, and I don't remember radios being present the summer
>of '64 when I was in upstate NY living in a camp without electricity
>(except in the owners' cabin).

I do not recall ever hearing the song on a radio anywhere. I bought the
album it is on - as I bought all her albums as I could afford them.

Bethany

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It doesn't seem to make much difference who is in power; this nation has an
unblemished record of ignorance when it comes to dealing with Islamic
countries and their populations---see, e.g.,

http://tinyurl.com/a4rz

cwv

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> There are people I look up to and/or admire but I can't think of a time
> I've ever said, "s/he's my hero".
>
> Also, I find that lately there are more people I admire than I look up to.
> The distinction is, those I looked up to are those I wanted to emulate. I
> find I don't really want to be like anyone as I'm quite happy in being myself.
>
> lisa
>

I find that I still have room for improvement.

However, I don't designate heroes based on wanting to be like them; in
fact, I think of people as heroes because they have more grace, courage,
or honesty than I am capable of.


 clo

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> 02003-04-23 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > Actually it's a description of a guess, I have never heard the sound.
> >
> > Oh dear.  You should've left a phone number.
>
> I don't have one.

Oh just make one up

BrP

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At 05:07 PM 4/20/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>Rashmi Murthy:
>= >> I am disillusioned beyond words.  Doris was one of my heroes.
>=
>= >She's still one of mine.
>=
>= I've never considered anyone <my> hero. Does everyone here have heroes?
>=
>= -rashmi
>
>I remember having to write about my hero in grade school.  I
>couldn't think of one.  My mom was being pragmatic.  She told me
>to write about my orthodontist.

There are people I look up to and/or admire but I can't think of a time
I've ever said, "s/he's my hero".

Also, I find that lately there are more people I admire than I look up to.
The distinction is, those I looked up to are those I wanted to emulate. I
find I don't really want to be like anyone as I'm quite happy in being myself.

lisa

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> 02003-04-23 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > 02003-04-23 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > > > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Actually it's a description of a guess, I have never heard the sound.
> > > >
> > > > Oh dear.  You should've left a phone number.
> > >
> > > I don't have one.
> >
> > Oh just make one up
>
> I only see "oh" and "one" in the above ... need more help

What for? You need to do it yourself.


BrP

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>
> 588 2300

Empire Carpeting?

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At 01:10 PM 4/20/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>You can put pants under the couch cushions and just sit on them for a few
>days.  What's an iron?
>
>Betty

This sounds like something out of an Erma Bombeck book.

lisa

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> It doesn't seem to make much difference who is in power; this nation
has an
> unblemished record of ignorance when it comes to dealing with Islamic
> countries and their populations---see, e.g.,
>
> http://tinyurl.com/a4rz
>
> cwv

What a mess.

     - D. M.

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Speak up if it is your birthday! Alyce's is soon. We should have a party!

Betty

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02003-04-23 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > 02003-04-23 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >
> > > > Actually it's a description of a guess, I have never heard the sound.
> > >
> > > Oh dear.  You should've left a phone number.
> >
> > I don't have one.
>
> Oh just make one up

I only see "oh" and "one" in the above ... need more help

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Shouldn't Google have done something
for Will's birthday today?  Or is the
Dead European Male thing?

Unlike probably everyone else, they
didn't forget Earth Day yesterday.

Earth Day.  Right.

--
Richard            bohemian montessori lovefest

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > "clyde w. voigtlander" wrote (_Sat_, 19 Apr) :
> >
> > >   Spring.  Yeah. Finally.
> >
>
> It's snowing.
> clo

There will be more Saturdays...

Kristin

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> "clyde w. voigtlander" wrote (_Sat_, 19 Apr) :
>
> >   Spring.  Yeah. Finally.
>

It's snowing.
clo

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> > There are people I look up to and/or admire but I can't think of a time
> > I've ever said, "s/he's my hero".
> >
> > Also, I find that lately there are more people I admire than I look up to.
> > The distinction is, those I looked up to are those I wanted to emulate. I
> > find I don't really want to be like anyone as I'm quite happy in being myself.
> >
> > lisa
> >
>
> I find that I still have room for improvement.
>
> However, I don't designate heroes based on wanting to be like them; in
> fact, I think of people as heroes because they have more grace, courage,
> or honesty than I am capable of.
>
>
>  clo


I think Grace, Courage, and Honesty are like Dracula (i.e. they are never visible in the
mirror)


BrP

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Betty Clark wrote:
>
>>>>>Where is the line drawn between a Public Figure and a non Public
>>>>>Figure?
>>>>
>>>>The hospital would treat them the same. They can't release any specific
>>>>information unless the Figure has given permission.
>>>
>>>What if the POTUS arrived there unconscious?  (Or is it written into a
>>>POTUS's <contract> that medical info will be provided to the public no
>>>matter what?)
>>
>>I'm sorry.  What is the question?  I don't have a copy of his contract.
>
>
> My question is whether the POTUS, even if unconscious, would have to
> give permission for the hospital to release medical info.  Not that
> today's rules are the same as they were back then, but when JFK was
> dying in Parkland Hospital, was the hospital allowed automatically to
> release medical info since he was POTUS?  If not, who gave permission?

        I would suspect that the hospital itself did not release his medical
information to the public.  Chances are that the POTUS makes arrangements in
case an emergency happens, so that the White House Counsel, his press secretary,
etc. has the power to receive the medical information and decide what to release
to the public.

--
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Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
I am the machinery already in place

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>   I don't do telephone calls if I think a human
> being will answer,

?????

Totally e-mailified?

Kristin

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Marie Ascher wrote:
>
>
>>Hospitals/doctors/medical personnel don't release any information about any of their patients to anyone except other medical personnel, period. Like Rashmi said, the release re Rumsfeld was most likely released by his own office.
>
>
> Greenspan.  But I'm thinking about these various hospital personnel who
> talk about the conditions of famous people.  I've seen them on the
> electric teevee doing so.

        Unless they want to get in trouble, that probably only happens after they've
talked with the famous people or their delegated attorneys.

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In a message dated 04/23/2003 3:53:58 AM Central Daylight Time,
Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:

<<
and this queer
remark was meant to serve as an introduction to wishing Happy Birthday!
to you five days later. I hope you had a good day.

>>

Thanks!  I had asked for that day off, so I stayed home and read.
Neither my brother nor my sister called me to wish me a happy
birthday.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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At 07:50 AM 4/23/2003 -0400, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
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> > "clyde w. voigtlander" wrote (_Sat_, 19 Apr) :
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> > >   Spring.  Yeah. Finally.
> >
>
>It's snowing.

Here, it is rain---fairly constant and light since yesterday
afternoon.  There is a low pressure area wandering very slowly along the
coast; things aren't likely to to appreciably change until late
Thursday.  A good day to make a cassoulet.

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At 11:31 AM 4/23/2003 +0300, Kristin Sarv wrote:

>There's a nest of crows in the middle of our yard on a birch -- a yard of four
>five-storeyed apartment blocks. 'She' is sitting on the eggs, and sometimes
>goes for a fly and a walk, taking her funny crowsteps on the birch next to
>theirs.

We have a large population of crows on the island---and they are the most
"tame," i.e., not particularly bothered by human presence, of any that I've
ever seen.  However, because we have so much forested area, they must nest
in more secluded areas.

cwv

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02003-04-23 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Actually it's a description of a guess, I have never heard the sound.
>
> Oh dear.  You should've left a phone number.

I don't have one.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > remark was meant to serve as an introduction to wishing Happy Birthday!
> > to you five days later. I hope you had a good day.
>
> What??  DId we miss Evelyn's birthday?  We are getting really, really
> bad!

It was just ironical that I was thinking the day *before* it I might send the
wish, for I thought Evelyn might be one of them for whom it was important.
And I had looked it up in the list of birthdays and all.

Kr.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Thanks!  I had asked for that day off, so I stayed home and read.

Good Friday here is not a working day. (What a strange name for it in
English! "Good", as if it were a good day once then. Well "great/big
Friday" that is the Estonian for it may sound strange for you.) From
Steinbeck's "The Winter of our Discontent" I once got to know that in at
least some states of the US work is not done for some hours in the middle
of the day; is it so now?

> Neither my brother nor my sister called me to wish me a happy
> birthday.

:-(

Well, it depends maybe... that is, how unpleasant that may be. I guess my
sister may forget my birthday, but I am so sure she cares about me that I
never would get hurt by that. It may happen easily that she thinks about me
on that day but just doesn't think of the birthday.

Kristin

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > > > > > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Actually it's a description of a guess, I have never heard the sound.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh dear.  You should've left a phone number.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't have one.
> > > >
> > > > Oh just make one up
> > >
> > > I only see "oh" and "one" in the above ... need more help
> >
> > What for? You need to do it yourself.
>
> 588 2300

Good boy! Now you have a phone number. That all is only for your sake. I hope it's
made you happier. :)

Kristin

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Oh dear.  You should've left a phone number.
>
> I don't have one.

It would need to be an answering machine, of course, not a phone you
were likely to answer.  I don't do telephone calls if I think a human
being will answer, except for Brad when I'm traveling.

--
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02003-04-23 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > 02003-04-23 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > > 02003-04-23 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > > > > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Actually it's a description of a guess, I have never heard the sound.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh dear.  You should've left a phone number.
> > > >
> > > > I don't have one.
> > >
> > > Oh just make one up
> >
> > I only see "oh" and "one" in the above ... need more help
>
> What for? You need to do it yourself.

588 2300

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>   I don't do telephone calls if I think a human
>being will answer,

You win the most rigid and narrow-minded wordslur award.

-rashmi


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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >   I don't do telephone calls if I think a human
> >being will answer,
>
> You win the most rigid and narrow-minded wordslur award.
>
> -rashmi

Theo thanks you.
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Kristin:
>(What a strange name for it in English!
>"Good", as if it were a good day once then.

There's no real agreement on the origin
of the expression.  Some people say it's
a weird-ization of "God's Friday".

>"great/big Friday" that is the Estonian

The little book I got the above factoid
from also tells me some Europeans call
it "Long Friday" (it sure was when I
was a kid).

--
Richard            bohemian montessori lovefest

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"again, all around" wrote:

> a weird-ization of "God's Friday".
>
>  "Long Friday" (it sure was when I
> was a kid).

Both make sense, especially the latter.

Kristin

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Indeed.  I remember as a kid sitting (or rather squirming) through the three hour
service where every protestant clergyman in town took a turn expounding on one of
the words Jesus spoke from the cross - but then, I also remember my Dad sticking a
flower in his mashed potatoes and singing "up from the gravy, a rose" I guess it all
balanced out.

BrP


>
> The little book I got the above factoid
> from also tells me some Europeans call
> it "Long Friday" (it sure was when I
> was a kid).
>
> --
> Richard            bohemian montessori lovefest

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>
> w are you doing?

Sylvia et al:

Rest assured, Jeff IS here (that's me). Alyce is pretty much confined to
bed and weak, but comfortable. She says she does not know what it feels
like to die, but does feel as if she could slip away at any time if she
were to just let go. She was particularly in that state of mind this
morning, and asked John the nurse if she could indeed be at death's
door. He answered that there is no way to really know, but that it's
within the realm of possibility. Still, from his visit yesterday, he did
not think anything was imminent and was surprised at the sudden apparent
change. Also, she seems stronger now and is sitting up drinking Ensure,
so it may have been a false alarm, brought on partially by worry or
panic. I will keep you all posted regarding any changes. Thanks so much
for your concern and support!

Jeff


> > >
> > Not great. I will try to read the POW-money stuff later. Anyway it is
> > received and in my pile of things to do. Thanks for thinking of me.
> > Sorry, but I am too out-of-it to write now.
>
> Is Jeff there now?  I hope you're not by yourself.  I think of you often
> during the day. Would it be possible for someone around you to just drop
> us a line on days when you're too tired to sit at the computer?  I hope
> so because I selfishly want to know how you're doing every day.
>
> Take it easy and know that many of us are thinking of you with love.
>
> --
> Sylvia Edwards
> Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
> Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/


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>-----Original Message-----
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>
>Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>>
>> w are you doing?
>
>Sylvia et al:
>
>Rest assured, Jeff IS here (that's me). Alyce is pretty much
>confined to
>bed and weak, but comfortable.
>
>Jeff
>

Thanks for keeping us updated. It is good that you can be with your Mom in
her time of need. Being alone during this time would be horrible.



alec

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Sylvia et al:
>
> Rest assured, Jeff IS here (that's me). Alyce is pretty much confined to
> bed and weak, but comfortable. She says she does not know what it feels
> like to die, but does feel as if she could slip away at any time if she
> were to just let go. She was particularly in that state of mind this
> morning, and asked John the nurse if she could indeed be at death's
> door. He answered that there is no way to really know, but that it's
> within the realm of possibility. Still, from his visit yesterday, he did
> not think anything was imminent and was surprised at the sudden apparent
> change. Also, she seems stronger now and is sitting up drinking Ensure,
> so it may have been a false alarm, brought on partially by worry or
> panic. I will keep you all posted regarding any changes. Thanks so much
> for your concern and support!
>
> Jeff

Jeff,
Thanks so much for letting us know you had arrived. We are all
with you in our thoughts. If there is anything we can do, please
let us know.
Please pass on to Alyce our warm thoughts and hopes for comfort
and strength.

Carolyn Ostrander
"clo"

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Thanks for writing, Jeff.

I'm glad she's suddenly feeling a bit stronger.
I doubt she is leaving you yet.  It is amazing
how long the body can survive, and it sometimes
takes great patience for the patient and the family
of the one who's suffering.  Are the patches keeping
her from actually suffering?  I hope so.

Alyce, I'd like to say "don't go"  but I can't argue
with your appointed time and I don't want you to
be trapped in an ailing body.  I hope you are able
to think of it as an interesting journey that lies ahead.
I can't help but think it will be and that wherever you
are you will fit right in and go right on in some way
with what you have always done.  There may be
other worlds out there, and while the body gives out,
it isn't possible to kill the essential consciousness
that is "you."

Our thoughts may bring energy to you, and you can
use it help you hang on or to help you let go. . .
when you decide.

Meanwhile, I think you are rallying.  Now there's
something you know something about.

                           - D. M.

> Rest assured, Jeff IS here (that's me). Alyce is pretty much confined
to
> bed and weak, but comfortable. She says she does not know what it
feels
> like to die, but does feel as if she could slip away at any time if
she
> were to just let go. She was particularly in that state of mind this
> morning, and asked John the nurse if she could indeed be at death's
> door. He answered that there is no way to really know, but that it's
> within the realm of possibility. Still, from his visit yesterday, he
did
> not think anything was imminent and was surprised at the sudden
apparent
> change. Also, she seems stronger now and is sitting up drinking
Ensure,
> so it may have been a false alarm, brought on partially by worry or
> panic. I will keep you all posted regarding any changes. Thanks so
much
> for your concern and support!
>
> Jeff
>
>
> > > >
> > > Not great. I will try to read the POW-money stuff later. Anyway it
is
> > > received and in my pile of things to do. Thanks for thinking of
me.
> > > Sorry, but I am too out-of-it to write now.
> >
> > Is Jeff there now?  I hope you're not by yourself.  I think of you
often
> > during the day. Would it be possible for someone around you to just
drop
> > us a line on days when you're too tired to sit at the computer?  I
hope
> > so because I selfishly want to know how you're doing every day.
> >
> > Take it easy and know that many of us are thinking of you with love.
> >
> > --
> > Sylvia Edwards
> > Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
> > Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/
>
>
> --
> alyce cresap, books & ephemera
> po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
> 518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
> http://www.alybooks.com
> charter member: IOBA
> independent on-line booksellers association
> selling books since 1963
>

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> Jeff,
> Thanks so much for letting us know you had arrived. We are all
> with you in our thoughts. If there is anything we can do, please
> let us know.
> Please pass on to Alyce our warm thoughts and hopes for comfort
> and strength.
>
> Carolyn Ostrander
> "clo"

Yes.

It is late in the evening here, and I cannot leave the office without saying
that I, too, keep thinking of Alyce.

Kristin

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Hmmm - just realized that my question could also be my answer

anyway

Why Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome ?
Isn't Severe Acute a bit much (Severe Acute Redundancy Syndrome?)
Wouldn't Acute Respiratory Syndrome be good enough (except that it would the be
ARS)?


please discuss

BrP

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At 04:56 PM 4/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Tom Lee wrote:
>
> > > Where is the line drawn between a Public Figure and a non Public
> > > Figure?
> >
> >         Actually I think there is some sort of legal distinction
> made.  From
> > what I've heard, seeking publicity (as in running for public office or
> > getting yourself a talent agent) loses you certain privacies, meaning
> > that tabloid photographers can snap photos of you and go through your
> > trash with greater impunity.  You can sue them if they print scandalous
> > things, but courts often rule that you were the one who sought publicity
> > in the first place, so you can't really complain about having it.  But I
> > could have heard wrong.
>
>I'm sure there is a legal distinction of some kind.  It's just that I'm
>not sure exactly what it is.  Running for office would make sense as
>putting yourself into <the public arena>, even if it's only running for
>the Board of Aldermen in Starkville.  But I'm thinking now about
>appointed positions and such.  Like Karl Rove is presumably a Public
>Figure, but what about somebody in some kind of minor, low-profile White
>House position?  Or what about somebody in a profession that sometimes
>gets him/her into the news.  If you win a Nobel Prize, you might be
>assumed to have become a Public Figure.  What about if you win a less
>famous award?  Etc.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

You can become a public figure by getting yourself in the news. I remember
reading a story about a guy who helped saved a neighbor in a fire. The
publicity lead to him getting into trouble for something (I cannot remember
what). The article explained that because he was a public figure he could
be scrutinized in the press, followed, photographed and a host of other things.

Someone also mentioned trash snooping. If your trash in on your property it
cannot be looked through (you'd be trespassing). If it's on the sidewalk
it's considered fair game.

lisa

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> Hmmm - just realized that my question could also be my answer
>
> anyway
>
> Why Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome ?
> Isn't Severe Acute a bit much (Severe Acute Redundancy Syndrome?)
> Wouldn't Acute Respiratory Syndrome be good enough (except that it would the be
> ARS)?
>
> please discuss
>
> BrP

Severe - very bad
Acute - happens once, as opposed to chronic
Didn't y'all do this last weekend?
Oh, right - nomail on weekends

clo, whose cough is worse and really getting annoying...

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> Didn't y'all do this last weekend?
> Oh, right - nomail on weekends


oops sorry

 I really should read more email on monday mornings

>
> clo, whose cough is worse and really getting annoying...

should I wear a mask to lunch tomorrow?

BrP

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> > Didn't y'all do this last weekend?
> > Oh, right - nomail on weekends
>
> oops sorry
>
>  I really should read more email on monday mornings
>
> >
> > clo, whose cough is worse and really getting annoying...
>
> should I wear a mask to lunch tomorrow?
>
> BrP

Ha Ha.
Just for that I'm not bringing kleenex with me.
clo

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At 04:09 PM 4/23/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>Hmmm - just realized that my question could also be my answer
>
>anyway
>
>Why Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome ?
>Isn't Severe Acute a bit much (Severe Acute Redundancy Syndrome?)
>Wouldn't Acute Respiratory Syndrome be good enough (except that it would
>the be
>ARS)?
>
>
>please discuss

You missed the discussion.  It went by way of acute vs. chronic, etc.

I'm with you though. If it's acute, it would be severe to me.

Betty

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
Are the patches keeping
> her from actually suffering?  I hope so.
>

Actually, Doris, she only used the patches for a couple of days and is
now on a morphine pill and a longer-acting morphine syrup. Both of these
are keeping her quite comfortable.

Thanks,
Jeff

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In a message dated 04/23/2003 9:33:05 AM Central Daylight Time,
prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:

<<
Oh just make one up


>>

867-5309

Evelyn Duncan
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Tom Lee wrote:

> > Greenspan.  But I'm thinking about these various hospital personnel who
> > talk about the conditions of famous people.  I've seen them on the
> > electric teevee doing so.
>
>         Unless they want to get in trouble, that probably only happens after they've
> talked with the famous people or their delegated attorneys.

Yes.  I've never had the feeling that they were just volunteering to
talk about these matters.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
> >   I don't do telephone calls if I think a human
> > being will answer,
>
> ?????
>
> Totally e-mailified?

Pretty much.  I hate telephones.  I especially hate making calls.  I
gritted my teeth and made one a little while ago because I found a
brunch invitation in my home mailbox (which I rarely check since it
usually contains only junkmail).  The invitation said RSVP and gave just
a telephone number.  That's unusual for invitations I usually get.  Most
of them give an e-mail address for replying.  The good news was that a
human being didn't answer when I made the call -- I left my "I'm looking
forward to it" on her answering machine.

I bet many of you are too young to remember the days when it would have
seemed quite  <gauche> to do something like give a phone number after
RSVP (and long before e-mail was an option).  Invitations simply said
RSVP.  And one wrote in the correct formulaic style and mailed it to the
return address embossed on the envelope.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >   I don't do telephone calls if I think a human
> >being will answer,
>
> You win the most rigid and narrow-minded wordslur award.

Narrow-minded?  How does narrowness of mind relate to telephones?  (I'm
not sure that rigidity is something I'd associate with it either, but it
might be easier to figure out a way to tie to it than
narrow-mindedness.)

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"again, all around" wrote:

> from also tells me some Europeans call
> it "Long Friday" (it sure was when I
> was a kid).

Why was it long?  What did you do on it?

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> > >   I don't do telephone calls if I think a human
> > >being will answer,
> >
> > You win the most rigid and narrow-minded wordslur award.

>Theo thanks you.
>clo

You're welcome.

Natalie's said this on this service at least 25 times (twice a year
on average since 1991)and I felt compelled to say something.

Now all I can think of is Alyce and what she's going through ...

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> Indeed.  I remember as a kid sitting (or rather squirming) through the three hour
> service where every protestant clergyman in town took a turn expounding on one of
> the words Jesus spoke from the cross - but then, I also remember my Dad sticking a
> flower in his mashed potatoes and singing "up from the gravy, a rose" I guess it all
> balanced out.

Ah so.  I understand now what Richard meant.  It's just that I have no
memory of Good Friday services of any kind.
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THANK YOU, JEFF!!  I had worried when Alyce became somewhat silent that
she might have decided, perhaps unconsciously, that it was time to go.
There is not necessarily anything wrong with that, of course.  My worry
was selfish.  *I* don't want her to go.  Tears have just started
blinding me (again) while talking about this.

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In a message dated 04/23/2003 6:14:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
.  My worry
was selfish.  *I* don't want her to go.
>>

Same here, Natalie.  Alyce is very precious to me, too.

Evelyn Duncan
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If you're reading this, Jeff, please let us know how Doug is.  Did he
recover from the mysterious illness?  Was its cause determined?
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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> > > >   I don't do telephone calls if I think a human
> > > >being will answer,
> > >
> > > You win the most rigid and narrow-minded wordslur award.
>
> >Theo thanks you.
> >clo
>
> You're welcome.

You Theo or you Clo?

> Natalie's said this on this service at least 25 times (twice a year
> on average since 1991)and I felt compelled to say something.

But you haven't explained why hating to make telephone calls is rigid or
narrow-minded.  I seriously don't get the connection, especially with
narrow-mindedness.

> Now all I can think of is Alyce and what she's going through ...

I'm feeling relieved that Jeff is there.  I had already been feeling
some really big worry vibes about why Alyce wasn't posting much.  I feel
better knowing that she has Jeff there and that the pain-killers are
working.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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02003-04-23 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > Oh dear.  You should've left a phone number.
> >
> > I don't have one.
>
> It would need to be an answering machine, of course, not a phone you
> were likely to answer.  I don't do telephone calls if I think a human
> being will answer, except for Brad when I'm traveling.

I have one of that kind ... I'll have to look up the number.

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02003-04-23 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> >
> > 588 2300
>
> Empire Carpeting?

That all is only for your sake!

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02003-04-23 | "again, all around" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> Shouldn't Google have done something
> for Will's birthday today?  Or is the
> Dead European Male thing?
>
> Unlike probably everyone else, they
> didn't forget Earth Day yesterday.
>
> Earth Day.  Right.

Wow, WILL'S BIRTHDAY ... Civilization must have collapsed ...

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> > > > >   I don't do telephone calls if I think a human
> > > > >being will answer,
> > > >
> > > > You win the most rigid and narrow-minded wordslur award.
> > >
> > >Theo thanks you.
> > >clo
> >
> > You're welcome.
>
>You Theo or you Clo?

Doesn't matter to me.

> > Natalie's said this on this service at least 25 times (twice a year
> > on average since 1991)and I felt compelled to say something.
>
>But you haven't explained why hating to make telephone calls is rigid or
>narrow-minded.  I seriously don't get the connection, especially with
>narrow-mindedness.

I don't see hate in what I quoted. That part sounds r & n-m.

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From: "MR ROBERT BOJOSI" <rbojosi@netscape.net>
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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> > > > > >   I don't do telephone calls if I think a human
> > > > > >being will answer,
> > > > >
> > > > > You win the most rigid and narrow-minded wordslur award.
> > > >
> > > >Theo thanks you.
> > > >clo
> > >
> > > You're welcome.
> >
> >You Theo or you Clo?
>
> Doesn't matter to me.
>
> > > Natalie's said this on this service at least 25 times (twice a year
> > > on average since 1991)and I felt compelled to say something.
> >
> >But you haven't explained why hating to make telephone calls is rigid or
> >narrow-minded.  I seriously don't get the connection, especially with
> >narrow-mindedness.
>
> I don't see hate in what I quoted. That part sounds r & n-m.

You and I apparently speak very different languages.  I can usually come
up with possible relationships between almost any things, but I am
buffaloed by a possible connection between narrow-mindedness and
telephone habits.  Well, ok -- here's a possible relationship:  Not
being willing to listen to telemarketers explain why whatever they are
marketing is good might be narrow-minded.  But I don't think I'm more
intolerant of telemarketers than average.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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I planted my container garden today, but this year it's  my "Alyce
Garden".  When I watch the plants grow and the containers fill with
blooms, I'll think of you with fondness.  I planted mostly mums and
daisies so I should have years of remembering you ahead of me.

Stay comfortable and rest.

JEFF, Thank you so much for taking the time to update us about Alyce.
Please know that our thoughts, empathy and sympathy extend to you and
Doug and all of your family.  I truly hope that you and Alyce can have
at least one moment of celebration every day you're there.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Tom Lee wrote:
>
>
>>>Greenspan.  But I'm thinking about these various hospital personnel who
>>>talk about the conditions of famous people.  I've seen them on the
>>>electric teevee doing so.
>>
>>        Unless they want to get in trouble, that probably only happens after they've
>>talked with the famous people or their delegated attorneys.
>
>
> Yes.  I've never had the feeling that they were just volunteering to
> talk about these matters.

        OK.  That's my feeling too.

--
Take care,
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I don't actually know, but I imagine quite a bit.

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11:53 23.04.2003 +0300 skrev Kristin Sarv:
>Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
>> Is there a non-rabbit version, i.e., can you use chicken?
>> I like rabbits.
>
>I hope rabbits or bunnies visited you last weekend -- and this queer
>remark was meant to serve as an introduction to wishing Happy Birthday!
>to you five days later. I hope you had a good day.

late again: HB, Eveleyn.

Espen

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12:47 23.04.2003 -0500 skrev again, all around:
>Kristin:
>>(What a strange name for it in English!
>>"Good", as if it were a good day once then.
>
>There's no real agreement on the origin
>of the expression.  Some people say it's
>a weird-ization of "God's Friday".
>
>>"great/big Friday" that is the Estonian
>
>The little book I got the above factoid
>from also tells me some Europeans call
>it "Long Friday" (it sure was when I
>was a kid).

In Norwegian it is called "Langfredag" (Long Friday).

Espen

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Thank you, Alyce, very much! I am very grateful!

(I thought it better to write the message under a thread here that refers
to Alyce rather than to write a personal message -- now, who would say
whether it would be a right thing to send it personally to her, too, and
perhaps cause more trouble for you, Jeff, to read all post that will come
to your Mother's mailbox?)

When coming from the post office tomorrow morning with the soft package I
tried to keep myself guessing what it might be. Strange enough, but a
thought of *the* colour slipped through my mind. At home I found Wordquake
T-shirt in it! Turquoise blue -- at least this is the colour I used to
call so, it is one of the colours people most often have different
opinions about what it exactly is. I love the colour! Though I hardly ever
have had something of that colour -- I don't know why, it has just
happened so. Now I have given the shirt as a gift and it made me happy (as
much as one can speak of happiness in this situation).

Perhaps the message has got too long already? But there's one more thing
about the gift. When wordslers have ordered T-shirts for the annual
meetings I have thought that I'd wait before I order one -- for I haven't
had chance to attend the meetings, and so I was afraid if I had ordered
it, it would've been just a thing, reminding me of meebers, yes, but for
my having not taken part of the events, giving me a feeling as if I had no
right to have it (this is an exaggeration, but I do not know how else to
put it). Now I have words-l T-shirt as a gift. What a shirt! What a gift!
And from what a wonderful person!

Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> JEFF, Thank you so much for taking the time to update us about Alyce.

Same here.

Still hoping (perhaps selfishly, yes, for there are more things to say,
and read) that Alyce will have strength for more and more weeks,

Kristin

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> Isn't Severe Acute a bit much (Severe Acute Redundancy Syndrome?)
> Wouldn't Acute Respiratory Syndrome be good enough

When you have cold in the head and high piles of handkerchiefs grow at your desk or
pillow that disease is acute, too. But hardly ever severe.

Kristin

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In a message dated 04/24/2003 1:53:44 AM Central Daylight Time,
espen.ore@NB.NO writes:

<<
HB, Evelyn
>>

Thanks!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > >   I don't do telephone calls if I think a human
> > > being will answer,
> >
> > ?????
> >
>
>   I hate telephones.  I especially hate making calls.

It is not strange actually that one hates telephones, but rather that you
said,

>I would be thrown into the dithers if somebody
>answered.

I see no narrowmindedness in it, otoh, I'm unable to categorize it in no
ways. If it were somebody else the "dithers" would lead me think the person
has difficulties with intercommunicating, or, well, intercourse, generally.
I your case that won't do. One more facet of a human character for me to
think about.

Kristin

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I just saw this today.  I too would have liked this guy.  I sent a link to
the story to Pat, and he reminds me that he is also an Adams decendant.  The
world is like that.

steph

On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 14:42:32 -0700, John Williams
<williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU> wrote:

>> British squadron joins mourners of Navy Lt. Thomas Adams
>>
>>                    By Susan Gembrowski
>>                    STAFF WRITER
>>
>>                    April 15, 2003
>>
>>
>>                    The words on his tombstone help define Navy Lt. Thomas
Mullen Adams, a La
>>                    Mesa native and descendant of two presidents, who was
buried yesterday at Fort
>>                    Rosecrans National Cemetery.
>>
>>                    Etched on the white stone is this: "He's Just Pining."
>>

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Thank you for the perfect package Alyce!

It's displayed on the mahogany desk that once belonged to my grandparents.
It's with another of it's kind, next to a lamp and a 50s (maybe older)
radio also from my grandparent's home.

Thank you again.

love,

lisa
ps. I also did what I said I was going to do in return.

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Oh my, I read it through before sending, I did.

Kristin Sarv wrote:

> When coming from the post office tomorrow morning

today!, not tomorrow. What a senseless sentence!

I wonder what other mistakes I may find if I read it all through once more.

Kristin

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Rabbi Samant:
> Wow, WILL'S BIRTHDAY ... Civilization must have collapsed ...

No, sir.  What I thought odd was that
they did the site up for (for example)
Einstein's and Michaelangelo's birthdays,
but missed what you'd think is a nobrainer.

Well, that and the annoying Earth Day thing.

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Natalie:
> Why was it long?  What did you do on it?

Fasted and abstained, for starters.

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Here's a couple of paragraphs from the NYT

this morning.  The rest of the article deals with

the unusual legal situation (in regard to how the

prisoners can be dealt with) in Guantanamo because

of its location, but indicated that even human

rights people seem satisfied with their treatment.

Anyway this shows that before the present housing

structures they were in tents.

                      - D. M.     

__________________________



"The hastily erected tents have been replaced

 by more permanent structures. Each cell has

 a metal bed stenciled with a bright yellow arrow

 pointing to Mecca. The heavily guarded and

 isolated Islamic world created here on the 

southeastern coast of Cuba has also undergone

some cultural adaptations over the last year.


      
     
       
     
It is the only UnitedStatesmilitarybase 

where the lilting Muslim call to prayer is 

heard five times a day over loudspeakers as part 

of the Pentagon's intensive program to demonstrate

 respect for the detainees' Islamic faith.

"What they hear is the actual call as it's heard in either

 Mecca or Medina, depending on what CD I choose to

 play that day," said Capt. Youseff Yee, the Islamic

 chaplain. Detainees are supplied with prayer caps,

 prayer oils, beads and copies of the Koran. They 

have also developed a fondness for the bagels they

 are served as part of their bread ration."

 

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At 10:13 AM 4/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> > There are people I look up to and/or admire but I can't think of a time
> > I've ever said, "s/he's my hero".
> >
> > Also, I find that lately there are more people I admire than I look up to.
> > The distinction is, those I looked up to are those I wanted to emulate. I
> > find I don't really want to be like anyone as I'm quite happy in being
> myself.
> >
> > lisa
> >
>
>I find that I still have room for improvement.

>However, I don't designate heroes based on wanting to be like them; in
>fact, I think of people as heroes because they have more grace, courage,
>or honesty than I am capable of.
>
>
>  clo

I definitely have room for improvement. However, seeing a quality I might
be working on in another person is not what spurs me to change. There was a
time when I wanted to emulate people I knew or know of. That's not really
the case.

As for hero's, if asked to identify one I could. Still, it's not a word I
use all that often.

lisa

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At 09:16 AM 4/23/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>It doesn't seem to make much difference who is in power; this nation has an
>unblemished record of ignorance when it comes to dealing with Islamic
>countries and their populations---see, e.g.,
>
>http://tinyurl.com/a4rz
>
>cwv

 From the article:
         They also said the administration failed to fully appreciate the
force of Shi'ite       aspirations and is now concerned that those
sentiments could lead to a  fundamentalist government, the newspaper reported.

I thought there was a lot of posturing by a Khomeini (can't remember his
whole name) who is in Iran and was offering to take over once Hussein was
overthrown. According to the program I saw, he was told, "thanks but no
thanks".  Oh wait, that simply supports the article's point, the US
government is once again lacking forsight.

lisa

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Thursday, April 24, 2003, 9:32:05 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> As for hero's, if asked to identify one I could. Still, it's not a word I
> use all that often.

I told the guy who replaced my water heater for me that he is my hero.

Karen

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At 09:41 AM 4/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Thursday, April 24, 2003, 9:32:05 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> > As for hero's, if asked to identify one I could. Still, it's not a word I
> > use all that often.
>
>I told the guy who replaced my water heater for me that he is my hero.
>
>Karen

welcome back.

lisa

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Thursday, April 24, 2003, 10:15:23 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 09:41 AM 4/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Thursday, April 24, 2003, 9:32:05 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
>> > As for hero's, if asked to identify one I could. Still, it's not a word I
>> > use all that often.
>>
>>I told the guy who replaced my water heater for me that he is my hero.
>>
>>Karen

> welcome back.

thank you

Karen

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On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Karen Kay reappeared.

YaY.

Ann

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Thursday, April 24, 2003, 10:20:03 AM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Karen Kay reappeared.

> YaY.

What, no exclamation point?!

Karen

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!


BrP

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Thursday, April 24, 2003, 10:23:50 AM, ET #1 wrote:
> !

Oh, you're my hero, too.

!!

ET #3

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Finally, another <real> episode, and about time, too.  And this one could
be quite interesting: there are actually four or five equally plausible
victims.

Backing up, though -- I think that Rob made a huge strategic error in the
last episode.  Given that he controlled three votes -- his, Matt's, and
Butch's -- he could just as easily have voted out Alex.  The reason he
*should* have done that is that as far as Heidi, Jenna, and Alex are
concerned, he is the fourth wheel for their tricycle, and none of them will
take him into the final three if there is any choice in the matter.  Deena
might well have taken him all the way into the final two, although for Rob
to recognize this would have required him to acknowledge the fact that he's
not as likeable as he likes to think he is.

For tonight:

Matt can win pretty much any physical or mental immunity challenge, hands
down.  The only challenges he would not be likely to win are of the Fallen
Comrades type (where survivors are asked about personal details of those
already voted out) or the Last Man Standing type (e.g., the masks challenge
in Episode 8).  I doubt that there will be another Last Man Standing
challenge, and there was no Fallen Comrades challenge in Survivor:
Thailand.  Barring one of those two challenges, and barring some bad luck,
Matt could win immunity all the way to the final two.  On any given
episode, including this one, he's a safe bet for immunity.  But if he
doesn't win it, he's a safe bet to get voted off.

If Matt wins immunity, there are four plausible scenarios:

1) The RATS (Rob, Alex, Twigs, and Sticks) alliance hangs together and
boots off Christy or Butch, whichever is next on their list.  If this
happens, the remainder of the game could be quite boring: first, the next
person on the list goes, then Rob, leaving the three vain and shallow
people to compete for the prize.  Fortunately, the previews seem to
indicate that this will *not* happen.

2) Rob realizes that he's guaranteed to finish fourth if he sticks with the
RATS.  So he gets Matt and Butch to recruit Christy, and the four of them
vote Alex off.  Why Alex?  Because 1) he's an immunity threat; and 2) Rob
still thinks that he has a chance to play snugglebunnies with Heidi or
Jenna.  (Poor Rob doesn't seem to realize that he wouldn't have a chance
with either one if he were the only male in the Amazon.)  This scenario is
the one I'm betting on for tonight.

3) Alex, Jenna, and Heidi decide that Rob is unreliable, so they recruit
someone else -- probably Butch (Jenna and Heidi don't like Christy, and no
one cares for Matt, who would probably tell Rob anyway) and vote off Rob.

4) Matt, Butch, and Christy, independently of Rob, wake up to the fact that
they are doomed if they do nothing, but have a chance if they can recruit
just one of the RATS.  If they successfully recruit Rob, then we have
scenario 2 above.  If they try to recruit Heidi, then, since Heidi is
utterly incapable of keeping a secret and would go straight to her buddies,
we have scenario 1 above.  However, both Jenna and Alex are capable of
switching sides; the only question is, would they?  If one of them does,
then the mostly likely target is Rob, in which case we have scenario 3
above.  While Alex and Jenna are both devious enough to pick each other as
a target (Alex is an immunity threat, while Jenna is a jury threat), they
seem to have bonded, so I don't see it happening.

If I were a betting man, I'd pick Alex to go tonight.  For a hedge bet, I'd
pick Rob.

Ken Miller
Richard Hatch School of Social Ptudies

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Happy Birthday Evelyn :)

Sandra

> 11:53 23.04.2003 +0300 skrev Kristin Sarv:
> >Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> >
> >> Is there a non-rabbit version, i.e., can you use chicken?
> >> I like rabbits.
> >
> >I hope rabbits or bunnies visited you last weekend -- and this queer
> >remark was meant to serve as an introduction to wishing Happy Birthday!
> >to you five days later. I hope you had a good day.
>
> late again: HB, Eveleyn.
>
> Espen
>
>

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For the last couple of hours (yes, I think it took so much time) I read through
this thread. Till then I had only read Natalie's message with another heading, I
think, that, as she said, was written because of her paranoia later on. So I saw
*something* had been up meanwhile.

Reading the thread became less, mm... awful(?) when I reached Ann's and Bonnie's
somewhat balancing messages. And, of course, Clo's.

Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:
> >
> > I welcome clo also.  But sometimes it doesn't feel very good to have fresh
> > blood see so clearly after a few weeks here and sum up the list with such a
> > harsh eye.
>
> I thought it was pretty clever, worthy of somebody in a huge swarmy
> buzzing family, to pre-empt denial by the criticized parties.
>
> I think Fresh Blood has a very clear take on her own reactions, but isn't
> so clear on particular people.  I think she reads into Doris the mindset
> of other people Fresh Blood knows better, for example; she makes Doris
> into a stereotype, which I don't think Doris is.

Now to think what has the list been like during the weeks Clo's been here! No
wonder she has got the impression she described. -- And it is not even wrong, as
to the list generally, during that time. Just that we are all stuck to it shows
that it has many other features.

Who knows how long it will take me to write this very message. For the conclusion
should be clear, I guess, as Doris put it, we, or you, who have been quarrelling,
still are, and remain, friends. I suppose, and hope, Natalie will get over her
disillusionment. And Doris is so broadminded. -- By which I do not mean that
Natalie were narrowminded.

And from this last sentence, with the emphasis on the first clause, something
will follow. Natalie says, she really likes to keep the record straight. But with
her straightness when discussing things it may happen that she picks a phrase out
of the context and starts arguing against it. All her arguments are extremely
logical, she's precise in her statements, she keeps to the subject -- everything
is correct except the starting point: she might have chosen a wrong statement for
arguing, 'wrong' because that very part of somebody's message was not stressed,
the point was not that.

Often it is pure fun to read these discussions for it seems that, Natalie, you
are aware of the shift from the main point. And usually I've guessed people did
not take your arguments as offences for the nature of these discussions was so
transparent, yet hard to formulate. I have not attended these discussions for
I've felt unable quickly to trace all the swift turns and windings of that fast
railroad. All you say is clear and interesting, just the thought is always there
when reading it: that was not the point! (When I say "all" and "always" here I
mean those lengthy discussions of the character mentioned on some, usually, minor
matters.)

However, the sticking to a, so to say, wrong phrase (i.e. it may seem wrong to
the others) is extremely logical, too, at least sometimes. I guess, most of us do
not think in as logical terms as that -- or we/they do, but when reading research
articles, not words'l messages. Bonnie's example about the whorish dress must
serve well to illustrate the case.

bonniev wrote:
>
> > >  Rita would come right out and say "You
> > > know, Amy, you were dressed like a slut at that gathering."   Whereas,
> > > Natalie will say "I found it so curious that Amy would come to the
> > > gathering dressed like a slut."  And when you call her on it, Natalie goes
> > > all "I was just saying I found it curious."
> >
Natalie:

> >Well, if my point was that I found it curious, then that was my point.

That's it! Nobody else thought that was the point. Logically: yes, it was the
main clause. But almost everybody who would read it would say that the emphasis
was on the "whorish part".

To come to an end with it I'd like to say that your saying,

>Yes, it's perfectly ok for somebody to dress as a slut.

-- in its context, as it was, and knowing you for several years by now, it was a
perfect amendment for all you might say in that old thread on a whorish dress.

Ooh, I wanted to think about the Found-Money-thread, and to trace how that kind
of arguments start. I'm not going much on with it, though now it may seem as if I
said that it was all Natalie's fault. No. Here the matters discussed were more
serious and important for those concerned. One felt offended, the other felt
offended, and only after that the reason was there, not earlier.

Who have read it through, please excuse my writing so lengthily. I hope I could
at least make myself intelligible. I'm dizzy myself after trying to think about
the matter.

Kristin

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> I definitely have room for improvement. However, seeing a quality I might
> be working on in another person is not what spurs me to change.
> There was a
> time when I wanted to emulate people I knew or know of. That's not really
> the case.
>
> As for hero's, if asked to identify one I could. Still, it's not a word I
> use all that often.
>
> lisa
>

I think the word is so idealized....in the same sense as the word "perfect."
Most people seem to just about entirely avoid the use of either because they
understand them to represent super-human qualities. I look at them as they
apply to the concept of man and that which man can do perfectly (he can) and
how he behaves (heroically). I love the words.

Sandra

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At 11:23 AM 4/24/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>!
>
>
>BrP


!!

B

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Yes, belatedly.  You must warn us next time you have one.  :-)

Betty

At 09:15 AM 4/24/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
>Happy Birthday Evelyn :)
>
>Sandra
>
> > 11:53 23.04.2003 +0300 skrev Kristin Sarv:
> > >Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> > >
> > >> Is there a non-rabbit version, i.e., can you use chicken?
> > >> I like rabbits.
> > >
> > >I hope rabbits or bunnies visited you last weekend -- and this queer
> > >remark was meant to serve as an introduction to wishing Happy Birthday!
> > >to you five days later. I hope you had a good day.
> >
> > late again: HB, Eveleyn.
> >
> > Espen
> >
> >

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At 07:21 PM 4/24/2003 +0300, you wrote:
>For the last couple of hours (yes, I think it took so much time) I read
>through
>this thread. Till then I had only read Natalie's message with another
>heading, I
>think, that, as she said, was written because of her paranoia later on. So
>I saw
>*something* had been up meanwhile.
>
>Reading the thread became less, mm... awful(?) when I reached Ann's and
>Bonnie's
>somewhat balancing messages. And, of course, Clo's.
>
>Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:
> > >
> > > I welcome clo also.  But sometimes it doesn't feel very good to have
> fresh
> > > blood see so clearly after a few weeks here and sum up the list with
> such a
> > > harsh eye.
> >
> > I thought it was pretty clever, worthy of somebody in a huge swarmy
> > buzzing family, to pre-empt denial by the criticized parties.
> >
> > I think Fresh Blood has a very clear take on her own reactions, but isn't
> > so clear on particular people.  I think she reads into Doris the mindset
> > of other people Fresh Blood knows better, for example; she makes Doris
> > into a stereotype, which I don't think Doris is.
>
>Now to think what has the list been like during the weeks Clo's been here! No
>wonder she has got the impression she described. -- And it is not even
>wrong, as
>to the list generally, during that time. Just that we are all stuck to it
>shows
>that it has many other features.
>
>Who knows how long it will take me to write this very message. For the
>conclusion
>should be clear, I guess, as Doris put it, we, or you, who have been
>quarrelling,
>still are, and remain, friends. I suppose, and hope, Natalie will get over her
>disillusionment. And Doris is so broadminded. -- By which I do not mean that
>Natalie were narrowminded.
>
>And from this last sentence, with the emphasis on the first clause, something
>will follow. Natalie says, she really likes to keep the record straight.
>But with
>her straightness when discussing things it may happen that she picks a
>phrase out
>of the context and starts arguing against it. All her arguments are extremely
>logical, she's precise in her statements, she keeps to the subject --
>everything
>is correct except the starting point: she might have chosen a wrong
>statement for
>arguing, 'wrong' because that very part of somebody's message was not
>stressed,
>the point was not that.

It was definitely <wrong> to label someone stupid and not logical at all to
continue the tirade and keep using the term. She ended up sounding stupid, imo.

Betty

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Betty Clark wrote:

> >of the context and starts arguing against it. All her arguments are extremely
> >logical, she's precise in her statements, she keeps to the subject --
> >everything
> >is correct except the starting point: she might have chosen a wrong
> >statement for
> >arguing, 'wrong' because that very part of somebody's message was not
> >stressed,
> >the point was not that.
>
> It was definitely <wrong> to label someone stupid and not logical at all to
> continue the tirade and keep using the term. She ended up sounding stupid, imo.

As I used both the 2nd and 3rd person sg. in my messages myself, trying to be
consistent at least through paragraphs, I must ask now: By "she" you mean Natalie,
right? And was she the one labelling someone stupid and not logical, too? (Although
I read through the thread and remember the idea of messages I'm not able to search
through them to be sure of the exact quotations.)

Kristin

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At 08:18 PM 4/24/2003 +0300, you wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > >of the context and starts arguing against it. All her arguments are
> extremely
> > >logical, she's precise in her statements, she keeps to the subject --
> > >everything
> > >is correct except the starting point: she might have chosen a wrong
> > >statement for
> > >arguing, 'wrong' because that very part of somebody's message was not
> > >stressed,
> > >the point was not that.
> >
> > It was definitely <wrong> to label someone stupid and not logical at all to
> > continue the tirade and keep using the term. She ended up sounding
> stupid, imo.
>
>As I used both the 2nd and 3rd person sg. in my messages myself, trying to be
>consistent at least through paragraphs, I must ask now: By "she" you mean
>Natalie,
>right? And was she the one labelling someone stupid and not logical, too?
>(Although
>I read through the thread and remember the idea of messages I'm not able
>to search
>through them to be sure of the exact quotations.)

Yes!  You would never do that.

Betty

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I love reading about all these.  Thanks for being a wordsler,
Alyce!  Definitely one of the giants.

Betty

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At 01:46 PM 4/24/2003 +0300, you wrote:
>Thank you, Alyce, very much! I am very grateful!
>
>(I thought it better to write the message under a thread here that refers
>to Alyce rather than to write a personal message -- now, who would say
>whether it would be a right thing to send it personally to her, too, and
>perhaps cause more trouble for you, Jeff, to read all post that will come
>to your Mother's mailbox?)
>
>When coming from the post office tomorrow morning with the soft package I
>tried to keep myself guessing what it might be. Strange enough, but a
>thought of *the* colour slipped through my mind. At home I found Wordquake
>T-shirt in it! Turquoise blue -- at least this is the colour I used to
>call so, it is one of the colours people most often have different
>opinions about what it exactly is. I love the colour! Though I hardly ever
>have had something of that colour -- I don't know why, it has just
>happened so. Now I have given the shirt as a gift and it made me happy (as
>much as one can speak of happiness in this situation).
>
>Perhaps the message has got too long already? But there's one more thing
>about the gift. When wordslers have ordered T-shirts for the annual
>meetings I have thought that I'd wait before I order one -- for I haven't
>had chance to attend the meetings, and so I was afraid if I had ordered
>it, it would've been just a thing, reminding me of meebers, yes, but for
>my having not taken part of the events, giving me a feeling as if I had no
>right to have it (this is an exaggeration, but I do not know how else to
>put it). Now I have words-l T-shirt as a gift. What a shirt! What a gift!
>And from what a wonderful person!

We need a photo!!

Betty

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----- Original Message -----
From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> > Marie Ascher wrote:
> > > I still have no idea how to pronounce amana. Where's the stress?
>
> I am going to -> I'm gonna -> Im'unna -> Amana
>
> This is a description of the sound, not of any actual evolution.
>
> Actually it's a description of a guess, I have never heard the sound.

I have. :-) Looks like you've got it about right.

Marie

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At 08:47 PM 4/24/2003 +0300, you wrote:
>Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
>I wanted to say she ended up quite wise, for I got the impression she,
>though not
>agreeing with Doris exactly on the matters from which it all began, became
>calmer, and
>was showing respect towards Doris again. Perhaps the impression came from:
>
> >some of the cartoons I've seen of a gag
> >over the mouth of the Statue of Liberty with captions like "Shut up!
> >Don't Think!  Don't Speak!"  Doris is not like that at all.
>
>and some similar writings by Natalie.

Yes, I agree. She was showing more respect towards Doris but not towards
Sylvia.

I'm going to let it go now though because who can really understand someone
else's line of thinking sometimes?

Betty

>

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Betty Clark wrote:

> > Now I have words-l T-shirt as a gift. What a shirt! What a gift!
> >And from what a wonderful person!
>
> We need a photo!!

I put it on today in the morning, and standing before the mirror thought of
what if I kept the camera high above my head and photographed myself (with the
letters on the shirt reading all the wrong direction).

Sure, I may ask any of my children to make photos of me with it. And it's high
time for me to try to scan pictures -- how difficult it may be compared to
scanning text in a line art mode.

I dare not *promise* anything, but it is a good idea.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > >of the context and starts arguing against it. All her arguments are extremely
> > >logical, she's precise in her statements, she keeps to the subject --
> > >everything
> > >is correct except the starting point: she might have chosen a wrong
> > >statement for
> > >arguing, 'wrong' because that very part of somebody's message was not
> > >stressed,
> > >the point was not that.
> >
> > It was definitely <wrong> to label someone stupid and not logical at all to
> > continue the tirade and keep using the term. She ended up sounding stupid, imo.
>
>  By "she" you mean Natalie,
> right?

Ok, the answer must be yes. As I said I only asked for I was afraid my own message was
not clear enough.

As to "It was definitely <wrong> to label..." it was answered so well by other people
that I tried not to go more into it but just mentioned Ann's and Bonnie's messages. I
agreed to them.

As to "She ended up sounding stupid, imo" I'd say -- hmm, now I hectically tried to
find a message of Natalie that'd prove the opposite, but could not find any
illustrative enough to be quoted.

I wanted to say she ended up quite wise, for I got the impression she, though not
agreeing with Doris exactly on the matters from which it all began, became calmer, and
was showing respect towards Doris again. Perhaps the impression came from:

>some of the cartoons I've seen of a gag
>over the mouth of the Statue of Liberty with captions like "Shut up!
>Don't Think!  Don't Speak!"  Doris is not like that at all.

and some similar writings by Natalie.

Kristin

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Betty Clark wrote:

>  By "she" you mean
> >Natalie,
> >right? And was she the one labelling someone stupid and not logical, too?
> >(Although
> >I read through the thread and remember the idea of messages I'm not able
> >to search
> >through them to be sure of the exact quotations.)
>
> Yes!  You would never do that.

Don't be so sure :) -- Why I say this is because I've noticed that when meeting new
people they all seem to think for some time (for two years as an average) that I am
the epitome of gentleness, and perhaps meekness. It may be due to my slowness to
adapt. I do not pretend being nice and polite, it's not hypocricy, but it is how I
am for some time, for I first search for best features in other people, find them,
then I find out some other, maybe less convenient sides of their characters, but in
most cases go on thinking of them as being good/interesting/caring, etc., with
their own peculiarities.

Having reached that point, I may make bolder conclusions when it comes to
inconvenient or unfair situations. And I may get furious in a situation when
someone is unfair towards someone else. (And then a-couple-of-year-acquaintances of
mine are taken aback for they'd have never believed such bursts from me.) I cannot
be quite sure I have never put on labels.

-- Or I may not get furious if I think that those two people could agree, or which
motives both of them may have. In these cases I feel as if in a trouble. As if it
depended on me, too, how these too people get along.

Kristin

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Betty Clark wrote:

> At 01:46 PM 4/24/2003 +0300, Kirsten wrote:
> >>Thank you, Alyce, very much! I am very grateful!
> >
> >>Perhaps the message has got too long already? But there's one more thing
> >>about the gift. When wordslers have ordered T-shirts for the annual
> >>meetings I have thought that I'd wait before I order one -- for I haven't
> >>had chance to attend the meetings, and so I was afraid if I had ordered
> >>it, it would've been just a thing, reminding me of meebers, yes, but for
> >>my having not taken part of the events, giving me a feeling as if I had no
> >>right to have it (this is an exaggeration, but I do not know how else to
> >>put it). Now I have words-l T-shirt as a gift. What a shirt! What a gift!
> >>And from what a wonderful person!
>
> >We need a photo!!
>
> Betty

I got a T-shirt from Alyce also, and tho I don't do it justice,
I have a photo and made a guess as to how to get it online.
clo

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>If I were a betting man, I'd pick Alex to go tonight.  For a hedge bet, I'd
>pick Rob.       --Ken Miller
>Richard Hatch School of Social Ptudies

Nice analysis.  It's so good to have you back on words-l,
Bookrat.   Tonight will also be the "letters from home" episode which is
always good for a few tears, shudders, or laughs.


    --bonniev

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Tina gave me the Chicago soundtrack for Easter. I like it so much I
actually listen to it in the gym!

It also helps that it's long enough to get me through 45 minutes of cardio
and 20+ on the nautalis (sp?) machines.

lisa

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At 01:50 PM 4/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Tina gave me the Chicago soundtrack for Easter. I like it so much I
>actually listen to it in the gym!
>
>It also helps that it's long enough to get me through 45 minutes of cardio
>and 20+ on the nautalis (sp?) machines.

Yes!  I love it, too.

Betty

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Betty Clark wrote:

> I'm going to let it go now though because who can really understand someone
> else's line of thinking sometimes?

I hope it all will get its good solution. I didn't actually want to find out
who was right or who was wrong. It so happened that when "thinking out loud"
about it I started trying to find out the secret of Natalie's way of arguing.
I've been curious about it for long. I do not think I've found the answer. One
reason is perhaps that her typing is almost as quick as her thinking.

Kristin

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At 09:10 PM 4/24/2003 +0300, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>Having reached that point, I may make bolder conclusions when it comes to
>inconvenient or unfair situations. And I may get furious in a situation when
>someone is unfair towards someone else. (And then
>a-couple-of-year-acquaintances of
>mine are taken aback for they'd have never believed such bursts from me.)
>I cannot
>be quite sure I have never put on labels.

I think that is what happened to me.  Usually I try to mind my own business
but I've always wanted fairness.

I have to go do some work now so I can be off tomorrow.

Betty

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

>  (And then a-couple-of-year-acquaintances of
> mine are taken aback for they'd have never _believed_ such bursts from me.)

_expected_

There are other mistakes but this one is misleading.

Kr.

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It almost ended badly:  we were playing with the compact, electronicly
moveable shelving and one kid got stuck between two squeezed shelves.

It happened not because the shelves squeezed together on him - that
DOESN'T HAPPEN (though fear of that happening is what drives the game).
It happened because there were 2 shelves that had been
interrupted before they got squeezed together tight the way they should
be.  That left an opening just large enough for this kid's head and body
to get wiggled & wedged in.  But do you remember when you were a kid
sometimes there were spots you could get into but not get out of?  Once as
a teenager I put my head through the steering wheel of the car I had been
driving and couldn't get it out.  For example.

Luckily this kid is not a loud panicker.  He's a quiet panicker like me.
so there we were, both quietly panicking (I panicked before he did and I
figure he sensed that, I bet he could beat a Tibetan monk at lie detecting
too, this is kind of a weird kid anyway, I remember him from last year
when he sat apart from the others, making up this fantastic story and
illustrating it).

He got his head out, finally.

I'm having post-adrenaline fatigue.

Ann

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>Once as
>a teenager I put my head through the steering wheel of the car I had been
>driving and couldn't get it out.             Ann

This is the story I want to hear.


    --bonniev

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At 04:03 PM 4/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>Once as
>>a teenager I put my head through the steering wheel of the car I had been
>>driving and couldn't get it out.             Ann
>
>This is the story I want to hear.
>
>
>    --bonniev

I bet I know how it ends.

lisa

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At 01:01 PM 4/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>I'm having post-adrenaline fatigue.
>
>Ann

Oh my goodness!

We don't allow much "take your kid to work" .  All the clinicians expected
the rest of the staff to babysit their children  while they saw patients.

Betty

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My stbex sent me a bunch of hilarious pictures of kids where
they shouldn't be, under the heading "Why Men Shouldn't babysit"
today.

Unfortunately, they were nearly all things kids I was watching
had done (like painting the baby with magic markers while it
slept - well, in my case it was a babydoll, but still), so I couldn't
feel all womanly smug.

My son climbed 30 feet up in a larch when he was three - he was
out playing with other kids, and nobody thought of telling an adult.
They got tired of playing and went home, and luckily he was
dressed in red, so I spotted him.
clo

Ann Borkin wrote:

> It almost ended badly:  we were playing with the compact, electronicly
> moveable shelving and one kid got stuck between two squeezed shelves.
>
> It happened not because the shelves squeezed together on him - that
> DOESN'T HAPPEN (though fear of that happening is what drives the game).
> It happened because there were 2 shelves that had been
> interrupted before they got squeezed together tight the way they should
> be.  That left an opening just large enough for this kid's head and body
> to get wiggled & wedged in.  But do you remember when you were a kid
> sometimes there were spots you could get into but not get out of?  Once as
> a teenager I put my head through the steering wheel of the car I had been
> driving and couldn't get it out.  For example.
>
> Luckily this kid is not a loud panicker.  He's a quiet panicker like me.
> so there we were, both quietly panicking (I panicked before he did and I
> figure he sensed that, I bet he could beat a Tibetan monk at lie detecting
> too, this is kind of a weird kid anyway, I remember him from last year
> when he sat apart from the others, making up this fantastic story and
> illustrating it).
>
> He got his head out, finally.
>
> I'm having post-adrenaline fatigue.
>
> Ann

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Carolyn Ostrander:
= My stbex sent me a bunch of hilarious pictures of kids where

Are you really getting a divorce from this guy or what?

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>Carolyn Ostrander:
>= My stbex sent me a bunch of hilarious pictures of kids where
>
>Are you really getting a divorce from this guy or what?

Yeah, really.  And who gets the house?


    --bonniev

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Thursday, April 24, 2003, 4:00:52 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>Carolyn Ostrander:
>>= My stbex sent me a bunch of hilarious pictures of kids where
>>
>>Are you really getting a divorce from this guy or what?

> Yeah, really.  And who gets the house?

Why do you care?

Karen

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> >>Carolyn Ostrander:
> >>= My stbex sent me a bunch of hilarious pictures of kids where
> >>
> >>Are you really getting a divorce from this guy or what?
>
> > Yeah, really.  And who gets the house?
>
>Why do you care?
>Karen

Because it's utterly fascinating.  Here's a woman who has a large extended
family, whose husband puts up with last minute baptisms, who owns a lovely
house with lots of woodwork, who seems busy/happy/content, and yet every
once in awhile throws in this thing about a soon-to-be-ex without giving
any explanation whatsoever.  If she didn't call him "stbex" I would
conclude it was none of my business.  But she does.  Therefore, one can't
help but want to know more.



    --bonniev

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02003-04-24 | "again, all around" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> Rabbi Samant:
> > Wow, WILL'S BIRTHDAY ... Civilization must have collapsed ...
>
> No, sir.  What I thought odd was that
> they did the site up for (for example)
> Einstein's and Michaelangelo's birthdays,
> but missed what you'd think is a nobrainer.
>
> Well, that and the annoying Earth Day thing.

Hardly. It's the "annoying Earth Day thing". Makes a lot of people
really angry.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> this morning.  The rest of the article deals with

> the unusual legal situation (in regard to how the

> prisoners can be dealt with) in Guantanamo because

> of its location, but indicated that even human

> rights people seem satisfied with their treatment.

I haven't heard anything negative about their situation since a good
while ago.  The things I read/heard were in the early weeks, shortly
after the really bad stuff was happening to some of them when they were
first captured.

> Anyway this shows that before the present housing
>
> structures they were in tents.
> __________________________
>
> "The hastily erected tents have been replaced
>
>  by more permanent structures. Each cell has

I've never heard any criticisms of the nature of the structures
prisoners have been put in anywhere, as in whether they are tents or
metal or wood or whatever.  Has that been considered an <issue> by some
people?  I've heard questions raised about sizes and conditions of
quarters but never about the <material>.

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Thursday, April 24, 2003, 4:06:55 PM, bonniev wrote:
>> >>Carolyn Ostrander:
>> >>= My stbex sent me a bunch of hilarious pictures of kids where
>> >>
>> >>Are you really getting a divorce from this guy or what?
>>
>> > Yeah, really.  And who gets the house?
>>
>>Why do you care?
>>Karen

> Because it's utterly fascinating.  Here's a woman who has a large extended
> family, whose husband puts up with last minute baptisms, who owns a lovely
> house with lots of woodwork, who seems busy/happy/content, and yet every
> once in awhile throws in this thing about a soon-to-be-ex without giving
> any explanation whatsoever.  If she didn't call him "stbex" I would
> conclude it was none of my business.  But she does.  Therefore, one can't
> help but want to know more.

I find this utterly fascinating. Here's a woman who's clearly going
through a very painful time in her life, and all you can think to do
is interrogate her. Whereas, when Paul and I declared ourselves evil
twins, and Alyce as well, no one ever never asked why.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I told the guy who replaced my water heater for me that he is my hero.

Why did you have it replaced?  Somebody at lunch today was saying that
he is having his replaced because it's thirty years old and he assumes
it will die soon, even though it isn't displaying any symptoms.  In a
way that sounded logical when he added that he figured he would be dead
or in a nursing home in another thirty years so he might as well go on
and have it replaced now instead of waiting and doing it later -- that
it would be one replacement for the rest of his life, either way.

--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Thursday, April 24, 2003, 4:00:52 PM, bonniev wrote:
> >>Carolyn Ostrander:
> >>= My stbex sent me a bunch of hilarious pictures of kids where
> >>
> >>Are you really getting a divorce from this guy or what?
>
> > Yeah, really.  And who gets the house?
>
> Why do you care?

I guess if I wanted it to be off-topic on words-l I shouldn't
have made any reference to it. Comment  sort of implies
"up for discussion", huh?

Yes, I think yes.
It's our 20th wedding anniversary next week.
I love the heck out of him, and he turned me down when I
asked for a separation because he wants to stay together;
but I believe that we would be better off apart.

Breaking up is not something I do habitually, and it's taking
some time. I expect he will be my stbex for a while yet.

I hope that he will be able to keep the house - he really
loves woodwork and fancy windows, (he's been in the
millwork business for almost 30 years), and it's a lovely
lovely home.

Is it annoying for me to call him that? I started one day
when I was really annoyed; I do it sort of to keep my
nerve up, I think. I cry over it a lot.
clo

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Thursday, April 24, 2003, 4:15:04 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I told the guy who replaced my water heater for me that he is my hero.

> Why did you have it replaced?

Because it was routinely leaking through my kitchen wall onto the
kitchen floor.

> In a way that sounded logical when he added that he figured he would
> be dead or in a nursing home in another thirty years so he might as
> well go on and have it replaced now instead of waiting and doing it
> later -- that it would be one replacement for the rest of his life,
> either way.

Mine is guaranteed for 6. The most I saw anyone guaranteed for was 12.

Karen

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> > __________________________
> >
> > "The hastily erected tents have been replaced
> >
> >  by more permanent structures. Each cell has
>
> I've never heard any criticisms of the nature of the structures
> prisoners have been put in anywhere, as in whether they are tents or
> metal or wood or whatever.  Has that been considered an <issue> by
some
> people?  I've heard questions raised about sizes and conditions of
> quarters but never about the <material>.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Alyce recently said that they have no protection
(from the elements) . . nothing over their heads.

                  - D. M.

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>I find this utterly fascinating. Here's a woman who's clearly going
>through a very painful time in her life,

That's not at all clear from what she has posted to the list.  You have
privileged information.  I had/have no idea that it is a painful time for her.

>Whereas, when Paul and I declared ourselves evil
>twins, and Alyce as well, no one ever never asked why.
>Karen

Why are you and Paul and Alyce evil tiwns?


    --bonniev

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>Is it annoying for me to call him that? I started one day
>when I was really annoyed; I do it sort of to keep my
>nerve up, I think. I cry over it a lot.
>clo

It's not annoying as much as curious.  I'm sorry it's painful.  Now I don't
want to know anymore.  You've told enough to satisfy my curiosity.


    --bonniev

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Thursday, April 24, 2003, 4:20:10 PM, bonniev wrote:
> Why are you and Paul and Alyce evil tiwns?

Too little, too late...

Karen

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> Thursday, April 24, 2003, 4:20:10 PM, bonniev wrote:
> > Why are you and Paul and Alyce evil tiwns?
>
> Too little, too late...
>
> Karen

Snooze, you lose.

Or did they ever explain it?
I never read it if so.
What are they?  A triple Siamese?

                 - D. M.

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Bookrat wrote:
>
> Finally, another <real> episode, and about time, too.  And this one could
> be quite interesting: there are actually four or five equally plausible
> victims.

I'm excited that it's Survivor night!

> might well have taken him all the way into the final two, although for Rob
> to recognize this would have required him to acknowledge the fact that he's
> not as likeable as he likes to think he is.

I've been amazed since the beginning that he seems to have conned some
of them.  I guess they don't hear the kinds of things he tells the
camera when alone.  I decided he was slime the very first night.

>   Barring one of those two challenges, and barring some bad luck,
> Matt could win immunity all the way to the final two.  On any given
> episode, including this one, he's a safe bet for immunity.  But if he
> doesn't win it, he's a safe bet to get voted off.

I found myself pulling for Matt a few weeks ago because he seemed shy
and left out.  Then I started agreeing with them that he was a bit
creepy/scary.  Last time, though, I went back to being for him because I
was so po'ed at the way Rob was chuckling about manipulating him.

> If I were a betting man, I'd pick Alex to go tonight.  For a hedge bet, I'd
> pick Rob.

Ooh.  We should've had a Survivor pool each week.

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At 05:15 PM 4/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Thursday, April 24, 2003, 4:00:52 PM, bonniev wrote:
> > >>Carolyn Ostrander:
> > >>= My stbex sent me a bunch of hilarious pictures of kids where
> > >>
> > >>Are you really getting a divorce from this guy or what?
> >
> > > Yeah, really.  And who gets the house?
> >
> > Why do you care?
>
>I guess if I wanted it to be off-topic on words-l I shouldn't
>have made any reference to it. Comment  sort of implies
>"up for discussion", huh?
>
>Yes, I think yes.
>It's our 20th wedding anniversary next week.
>I love the heck out of him, and he turned me down when I
>asked for a separation because he wants to stay together;
>but I believe that we would be better off apart.
>
>Breaking up is not something I do habitually, and it's taking
>some time. I expect he will be my stbex for a while yet.
>
>I hope that he will be able to keep the house - he really
>loves woodwork and fancy windows, (he's been in the
>millwork business for almost 30 years), and it's a lovely
>lovely home.
>
>Is it annoying for me to call him that? I started one day
>when I was really annoyed; I do it sort of to keep my
>nerve up, I think. I cry over it a lot.
>clo

You can call  him whatever you want.  We have had similar descriptions of
ex's or soon to be ex's.  I remember Gib's mostly but there was someone
else who used initials, too.

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Thursday, April 24, 2003, 4:06:55 PM, bonniev wrote:
>
>>>>>Carolyn Ostrander:
>>>>>= My stbex sent me a bunch of hilarious pictures of kids where
>>>>>
>>>>>Are you really getting a divorce from this guy or what?
>>>>>
>>>>Yeah, really.  And who gets the house?
>>>>
>>>Why do you care?
>>>Karen
>>>
>
>>Because it's utterly fascinating.  Here's a woman who has a large extended
>>family, whose husband puts up with last minute baptisms, who owns a lovely
>>house with lots of woodwork, who seems busy/happy/content, and yet every
>>once in awhile throws in this thing about a soon-to-be-ex without giving
>>any explanation whatsoever.  If she didn't call him "stbex" I would
>>conclude it was none of my business.  But she does.  Therefore, one can't
>>help but want to know more.
>>
>
> I find this utterly fascinating. Here's a woman who's clearly going
> through a very painful time in her life, and all you can think to do
> is interrogate her. Whereas, when Paul and I declared ourselves evil
> twins, and Alyce as well, no one ever never asked why.


        Seemed to be because you held similar opinions about
something or other.  In any case, you're always doing cutesy
shit like that.  It doesn't stand out.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Often it is pure fun to read these discussions for it seems that, Natalie, you
> are aware of the shift from the main point.

Yes, almost all of our threads move that way -- shifting from discussing
main points, especially if they're obvious or seem to be finished or
whatever, to discussing minor points or even associations.

> However, the sticking to a, so to say, wrong phrase (i.e. it may seem wrong to
> the others) is extremely logical, too, at least sometimes. I guess, most of us do
> not think in as logical terms as that -- or we/they do, but when reading research
> articles, not words'l messages. Bonnie's example about the whorish dress must
> serve well to illustrate the case.

To illustrate which case?  I'm not sure what you mean here.  Iirc,
Bonnie was saying something about how I say something and then pretend
not to or pretend not to have meant it or something like that --
something about trying to wiggle out of things.  I don't think I do
that.  I do speak up if I realize that somebody has misinterpreted
something I've said.  I try to clarify.  But the whorish-dress thing
isn't an example of that.  I've never claimed that's not what I meant to
say.

Aha!  When I wrote the above, I hadn't gotten to what you included
here.  I think it confirms the correctness of my iirc above:

> bonniev wrote:
> >
> > > >  Rita would come right out and say "You
> > > > know, Amy, you were dressed like a slut at that gathering."   Whereas,
> > > > Natalie will say "I found it so curious that Amy would come to the
> > > > gathering dressed like a slut."  And when you call her on it, Natalie goes
> > > > all "I was just saying I found it curious."
> > >
> Natalie:
>
> > >Well, if my point was that I found it curious, then that was my point.
>
> That's it! Nobody else thought that was the point. Logically: yes, it was the
> main clause. But almost everybody who would read it would say that the emphasis
> was on the "whorish part".
>
> To come to an end with it I'd like to say that your saying,
>
> >Yes, it's perfectly ok for somebody to dress as a slut.
>
> -- in its context, as it was, and knowing you for several years by now, it was a
> perfect amendment for all you might say in that old thread on a whorish dress.

I'm confused.  I do think it's perfectly ok for somebody to dress as a
slut.  If I did say "I was just saying I found it curious," then I no
doubt did mean that I found it curious.  I didn't get Bonnie's "Natalie
goes all" -- as if I was somehow trying to say that I had not thought
Amy was dressed like a slut/whore.

> Ooh, I wanted to think about the Found-Money-thread, and to trace how that kind
> of arguments start. I'm not going much on with it, though now it may seem as if I
> said that it was all Natalie's fault. No. Here the matters discussed were more
> serious and important for those concerned. One felt offended, the other felt
> offended, and only after that the reason was there, not earlier.

I can't remember exactly which thread the Found-Money thread was.  If it
was the one when Doris suddenly launched into a tirade that included
implying that I and others were "on another's side" and "not on our
side," then I do not in any way feel that it was <all my fault>.  I said
something about CNN's being biased, which I think it is (and am
certainly not alone in thinking).  The most recent thing I've added to
my blog is on my belief that one needs to read/view various news
sources.  (Hey, Pete -- that last one includes much more than just a
url.  I can't remember what it said now -- wrote it last night -- but
did smile when I thought how it was violating what I said about just "a
list of urls.")

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Betty Clark wrote:

> It was definitely <wrong> to label someone stupid and not logical at all to
> continue the tirade and keep using the term. She ended up sounding stupid, imo.

What are we talking about?  I have never called Doris stupid.  She is
far, far from stupid.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Thursday, April 24, 2003, 4:34:20 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
[about Rob]
> I've been amazed since the beginning that he seems to have conned some
> of them.  I guess they don't hear the kinds of things he tells the
> camera when alone.  I decided he was slime the very first night.

Jeff Probst likes him.

Karen

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Thursday, April 24, 2003, 4:39:26 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> In any case, you're always doing cutesy
> shit like that.  It doesn't stand out.

"Cutesy shit"?

I think I have to go slit my wrists now...

Karen

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In a message dated 04/24/2003 10:12:09 AM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
I told the guy who replaced my water heater for me that he is my hero.

>>

Hi, welcome back!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Betty Clark wrote:

> Yes, I agree. She was showing more respect towards Doris but not towards
> Sylvia.

That is correct.  I respect Doris.  She is a thinking, open-minded
person.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > It was definitely <wrong> to label someone stupid and not logical at all to
> > continue the tirade and keep using the term. She ended up sounding stupid, imo.
>
> What are we talking about?  I have never called Doris stupid.  She is
> far, far from stupid.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Most people can't feel the difference between calling someone stupid
and calling something someone has said "a stupidity".

clo

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In a message dated 04/24/2003 11:20:14 AM Central Daylight Time,
sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM writes:

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Happy Birthday Evelyn :)

>>

Thanks!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> I have a photo and made a guess as to how to get it online.

Where online??

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Fred Fielding. I hope Alyce heard this.

Karen

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> who was right or who was wrong. It so happened that when "thinking out loud"
> about it I started trying to find out the secret of Natalie's way of arguing.
> I've been curious about it for long. I do not think I've found the answer.

Weird.  I've never thought of having an arguing <style>.  But then
Words-L is the only place I have what might be called arguments.  The
discussions in my ftf life tend to be way calm compared to the
discussions here.  And in my department I'm considered the
feather-smoother, peace-maker, moderater between factions, etc.  I'm one
of two people in the department who are said to get along with
everybody, which means the two of us have often had to take on tasks we
might have preferred not to.

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> He got his head out, finally.
>
> I'm having post-adrenaline fatigue.

Good grief.  It's time for you to go have a glass of wine.

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In a message dated 04/24/2003 11:53:54 AM Central Daylight Time,
bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<<
Yes, belatedly.  You must warn us next time you have one.  :-)

>>

Thanks!  I'm not sure I want to even think about the next one;
I'll be 49.

Evelyn Duncan
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The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > Often it is pure fun to read these discussions for it seems that, Natalie, you
> > are aware of the shift from the main point.
>
> Yes, almost all of our threads move that way -- shifting from discussing
> main points, especially if they're obvious or seem to be finished or
> whatever, to discussing minor points or even associations.
>
> > However, the sticking to a, so to say, wrong phrase (i.e. it may seem wrong to
> > the others) is extremely logical, too, at least sometimes. I guess, most of us do
> > not think in as logical terms as that -- or we/they do, but when reading research
> > articles, not words'l messages. Bonnie's example about the whorish dress must
> > serve well to illustrate the case.
>
> I've never claimed that's not what I meant to
> say.
>
> Aha!  When I wrote the above, I hadn't gotten to what you included
> here.  I think it confirms the correctness of my iirc above:
>
> > bonniev wrote:
> > >
> > > > >  Rita would come right out and say "You
> > > > > know, Amy, you were dressed like a slut at that gathering."   Whereas,
> > > > > Natalie will say "I found it so curious that Amy would come to the
> > > > > gathering dressed like a slut."  And when you call her on it, Natalie goes
> > > > > all "I was just saying I found it curious."
> > > >
> > Natalie:
> >
> > > >Well, if my point was that I found it curious, then that was my point.
> >
> > That's it! Nobody else thought that was the point. Logically: yes, it was the
> > main clause. But almost everybody who would read it would say that the emphasis
> > was on the "whorish part".
> >
> > To come to an end with it I'd like to say that your saying,
> >
> > >Yes, it's perfectly ok for somebody to dress as a slut.
> >
> > -- in its context, as it was, and knowing you for several years by now, it was a
> > perfect amendment for all you might say in that old thread on a whorish dress.
>
> I'm confused.  I do think it's perfectly ok for somebody to dress as a
> slut.  If I did say "I was just saying I found it curious," then I no
> doubt did mean that I found it curious.  I didn't get Bonnie's "Natalie
> goes all" -- as if I was somehow trying to say that I had not thought
> Amy was dressed like a slut/whore.

Yes, and Kirsten says "knowing you... it was a perfect amendment for all
you might say" - in other words, that's consistent with how you look at
communication. Her point is that "almost everybody who would read it
would say that the emphasis was on the whorish part" - in other words,
in the emotional impact of your choice of words to describe the dress,
and how the wearer might feel about your description.

Bonnie's "Natalie goes all" makes a lot of sense, too. To her, focusing
on the fact that you feel it's "perfectly ok for somebody to dress as a
slut" sidesteps the question of whether it's all right to say that a
dress is whorish, whether it might be better to just ask why she chose
that dress, whether perhaps it's insensitive or "inflammatory" to choose
a word that might hurt another person's feelings.

If you respond to this by reiterating that it's ok to dress as a slut,
you are not responding to the concern of the speaker. You are insisting
on a value-free content for the meaning of "slutty"/"whorish", that (by
the nature of the complaint) the other person has a priori rejected.

> > Ooh, I wanted to think about the Found-Money-thread, and to trace how that kind
> > of arguments start. I'm not going much on with it, though now it may seem as if I
> > said that it was all Natalie's fault. No. Here the matters discussed were more
> > serious and important for those concerned. One felt offended, the other felt
> > offended, and only after that the reason was there, not earlier.
>
> I can't remember exactly which thread the Found-Money thread was.  If it
> was the one when Doris suddenly launched into a tirade that included
> implying that I and others were "on another's side" and "not on our
> side," then I do not in any way feel that it was <all my fault>.

Well, Kirsten agrees with you. She says, "...though now it may seem as
 if I said that it was all Natalie's fault. No."

She's distinguishing between a situation in which your insistence on
logic was part of the miscommunication, and a situation (Found Money)
in which there was genuine disagreement as well as hurt feelings on
both sides.

Does that make any sense to you?
Kirsten, do I understand you correctly?

Isn't discourse fascinating?
clo

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Thursday, April 24, 2003, 5:25:04 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Kirsten, do I understand you correctly?

Kristin.

> Isn't discourse fascinating?

Yes.

Karen

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Yes, he did recover from the mysterious illness...and it is still a
mysterious illness! His tests for bacterial agents came back negative.
Thankfully, he's back home and feeling fine. Thanks for asking.

Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> If you're reading this, Jeff, please let us know how Doug is.  Did he
> recover from the mysterious illness?  Was its cause determined?
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Karen Kay wrote:

> I find this utterly fascinating. Here's a woman who's clearly going
> through a very painful time in her life, and all you can think to do
> is interrogate her.

I don't think Bonnie would be asking her questions if she had simply
heard <backchannel> that a divorce might be coming.  Clo herself
mentioned it, which usually means on Words-L that one is willing to talk
about the subject.  And if it was just a slip, she could say that she
didn't want to talk about it.  And that would be respected.  I can't
remember any occasions when Wordslers have said "I don't want to talk
about it" and have been subsequently pestered to do so.  I agree with
Bonnie that it sounds fascinating -- with Bonnie's excellent description
(which I didn't include above -- was saving space) of why it sounds
fascinating.

> Whereas, when Paul and I declared ourselves evil
> twins, and Alyce as well, no one ever never asked why.

Perhaps because nobody found that fascinating.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Is it annoying for me to call him that? I started one day
> when I was really annoyed; I do it sort of to keep my
> nerve up, I think. I cry over it a lot.

I see nothing annoying about it.  It's a list tradition to use
descriptive initials.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Why did you have it replaced?
>
> Because it was routinely leaking through my kitchen wall onto the
> kitchen floor.

That's what I've heard happens when they go.  That's also what my friend
said when saying that he'd decided to go on and replace his before it
did that.

> > later -- that it would be one replacement for the rest of his life,
> > either way.
>
> Mine is guaranteed for 6. The most I saw anyone guaranteed for was 12.

I don't think he was talking about guarantees.  He was talking about
average lifespans.

I got interested in your mention of a new hw tank coming right on top of
today's lunch discussion.  Some of my interest is because I really would
like to toss my old electric one and get a gas one.  I've been lucky
that we haven't had an ice storm in the two winters I've lived in this
house.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > I have a photo and made a guess as to how to get it online.
>
> Where online??
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Well, it <might> be visible at
<http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/alyceshirt.jpg>

Worth a try.
clo

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > people?  I've heard questions raised about sizes and conditions of
> > quarters but never about the <material>.
>
> Alyce recently said that they have no protection
> (from the elements) . . nothing over their heads.

I agree that it would not be good to have nothing to stop the rain or
whatever.  It's just that I'd never heard any criticisms of the specific
nature of the material between heads and the sky.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > camera when alone.  I decided he was slime the very first night.
>
> Jeff Probst likes him.

How do you know?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> I don't think Bonnie would be asking her questions if she had simply
> heard <backchannel> that a divorce might be coming.  Clo herself
> mentioned it, which usually means on Words-L that one is willing to talk
> about the subject.

That would be easier if I was as mad today as I was the day I said it
the first time.

> And if it was just a slip, she could say that she
> didn't want to talk about it.  And that would be respected.

Good to know for the future.

clo

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Once as
> >a teenager I put my head through the steering wheel of the car I had been
> >driving and couldn't get it out.             Ann
>
> This is the story I want to hear.
>
>     --bonniev

Let's go back to this. I got stuck in a hanger once, and I'd like
to hear from someone who has similar propensities. Why did you put
your head there?

clo

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Thursday, April 24, 2003, 4:39:26 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>In any case, you're always doing cutesy
>>shit like that.  It doesn't stand out.
>>
>
> "Cutesy shit"?


Yeah.  All that Tushar head-rubbing business, and the
blueberries and goodness knows what else.  That's all cutesy
shit.


> I think I have to go slit my wrists now...


        Oh, please.  I've had quite enough melodrama for one day.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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bonniev wrote:
>
> Because it's utterly fascinating.  Here's a woman who has a large extended
> family, whose husband puts up with last minute baptisms, who owns a lovely
> house with lots of woodwork, who seems busy/happy/content, and yet every
> once in awhile throws in this thing about a soon-to-be-ex without giving
> any explanation whatsoever.  If she didn't call him "stbex" I would
> conclude it was none of my business.  But she does.  Therefore, one can't
> help but want to know more.
>
>     --bonniev

Bonnie,

here's the explanation, as close as I can give it.

If I seem busy/happy/content, it's because I am working hard
at finding some things to be happy about after a long period
of time being extremely busy but discontent. I take it as quite
a compliment that I seem to be any of those, even as my online
shadow.

WEll, I have to go - hope you all have a good evening; perhaps
I'll be online later.
clo

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At 05:05 PM 4/24/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Thursday, April 24, 2003, 4:39:26 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> > In any case, you're always doing cutesy
> > shit like that.  It doesn't stand out.
>
>"Cutesy shit"?
Phlegm R Us,  various other signatures , etc.



>I think I have to go slit my wrists now...

Why?

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At 06:01 PM 4/24/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > Isn't discourse fascinating?
> > clo
>
>Well, yes, but at a certain point it
>becomes discoursting.
>
>I think some of our more interesting
>and controversial conversations originate
>because someone, on a Saturday night,
>is bored.  I plead guilty more than once.
>Also to getting a little carried away.
>But then no one is perfect, no?
>
>                   - D. M.

It would be really boring if we were.

Betty

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Thursday, April 24, 2003, 5:37:12 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Well, it <might> be visible at
> <http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/alyceshirt.jpg>

> Worth a try.

You look like you're trying not to laugh.

Karen

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>
> Isn't discourse fascinating?
> clo

Well, yes, but at a certain point it
becomes discoursting.

I think some of our more interesting
and controversial conversations originate
because someone, on a Saturday night,
is bored.  I plead guilty more than once.
Also to getting a little carried away.
But then no one is perfect, no?

                  - D. M.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Thanks!  I'm not sure I want to even think about the next one;
> I'll be 49.

Spring chicken!  The 50s are great years, imho.  I'm too new in the 60s
to know how they'll stack up.  I can't help but think that there will be
some negatives creeping in -- health matters, etc.  In your 50s you're
young enough to feel healthy and energetic but old enough to be <wise>
and to appreciate many things about life that you might not have noticed
earlier.  I highly recommend the 50s.  (Another plus for females is that
often one can quit worrying about figuring out how many tampons to pack
when going on a trip.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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In a message dated 04/24/2003 6:00:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
Spring chicken!  The 50s are great years, imho.
>>

It's just that I feel as if I've done little with my life.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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At 07:09 PM 4/24/2003 -0400, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>In a message dated 04/24/2003 6:00:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
>natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
><<
>Spring chicken!  The 50s are great years, imho.
> >>
>
>It's just that I feel as if I've done little with my life.

Start today. The first day of the rest of your life!

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Thursday, April 24, 2003, 5:35:04 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Because it was routinely leaking through my kitchen wall onto the
>> kitchen floor.

> That's what I've heard happens when they go.  That's also what my friend
> said when saying that he'd decided to go on and replace his before it
> did that.

Well, mine is designed to leak into the garage. The garage, however,
was pretty much untouched.

> I don't think he was talking about guarantees.  He was talking about
> average lifespans.

I think 30 years is far from an avg. lifespan. Mine was only 18 when
it died.

> Some of my interest is because I really would
> like to toss my old electric one and get a gas one.

Well, if you have a spare $350 lying around, it could be worthwhile.

Karen

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Thursday, April 24, 2003, 5:41:11 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Jeff Probst likes him.

> How do you know?

Because I heard him say it, before Survivor Amazon started.

Karen

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > > To come to an end with it I'd like to say that your saying,
> > >
> > > >Yes, it's perfectly ok for somebody to dress as a slut.
> > >
> > > -- in its context, as it was, and knowing you for several years by now, it was a
> > > perfect amendment for all you might say in that old thread on a whorish dress.
> >
> > I'm confused.  I do think it's perfectly ok for somebody to dress as a
> > slut.  If I did say "I was just saying I found it curious," then I no
> > doubt did mean that I found it curious.  I didn't get Bonnie's "Natalie
> > goes all" -- as if I was somehow trying to say that I had not thought
> > Amy was dressed like a slut/whore.
>
> Yes, and Kirsten says "knowing you... it was a perfect amendment for all
> you might say" - in other words, that's consistent with how you look at
> communication. Her point is that "almost everybody who would read it
> would say that the emphasis was on the whorish part" - in other words,
> in the emotional impact of your choice of words to describe the dress,
> and how the wearer might feel about your description.

We're talking now in what I think are <hypothetics> since I'm not
convinced that I actually said "I was just saying I found it curious."
And I don't think that Bonnie intended that to be a direct quotation.
But wouldn't anybody with walking-around sense agree that saying "I find
it curious that [whatever]" is intended to emphasize the [whatever]?

> Bonnie's "Natalie goes all" makes a lot of sense, too. To her, focusing
> on the fact that you feel it's "perfectly ok for somebody to dress as a
> slut" sidesteps the question of whether it's all right to say that a
> dress is whorish, whether it might be better to just ask why she chose
> that dress, whether perhaps it's insensitive or "inflammatory" to choose
> a word that might hurt another person's feelings.

Huh?  What Bonnie seemed to be suggesting (and I perhaps misinterpreted)
was that I was somehow pretending to not have intended the "dressed like
a whore" as an insult.  Of course I did.  This goes back to what I said
about my having assumed sense on the part of the readers -- as in my not
having to say something like "NB:  THIS IS INTENDED AS AN INSULT."  I
think I said something about this several days ago -- about my growing
realization that one must spell things out quite clearly here -- that
otherwise one will be accused of weasely behavior or whatever.

> If you respond to this by reiterating that it's ok to dress as a slut,
> you are not responding to the concern of the speaker. You are insisting
> on a value-free content for the meaning of "slutty"/"whorish", that (by
> the nature of the complaint) the other person has a priori rejected.

What was the concern of the speaker?  I'm getting fuzzy-brained, for
which I do apologize.  A value-free content for the meaning of
slutty/whorish?  I've certainly never insisted upon any such thing.  I
do believe it's ok to dress as a slut.  We all have choices of how we
want to dress.  And different people respond in different ways to our
choices.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Well, it <might> be visible at
> <http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/alyceshirt.jpg>

Good picture!

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > And if it was just a slip, she could say that she
> > didn't want to talk about it.  And that would be respected.
>
> Good to know for the future.

Others will of course correct me if I'm wrong, but I really do think
that list history shows this to be true.

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Thursday, April 24, 2003, 6:14:13 PM, Betty wrote:

> At 05:05 PM 4/24/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Thursday, April 24, 2003, 4:39:26 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>> > In any case, you're always doing cutesy
>> > shit like that.  It doesn't stand out.
>>
>>"Cutesy shit"?
> Phlegm R Us,  various other signatures , etc.



>>I think I have to go slit my wrists now...

> Why?

Because I loathe cutesiness.

Karen

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Thursday, April 24, 2003, 5:18:52 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 04/24/2003 10:12:09 AM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

> <<
> I told the guy who replaced my water heater for me that he is my hero.

>>>

> Hi, welcome back!

Thank you.

Karen

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At 06:18 PM 4/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > Well, it <might> be visible at
> > <http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/alyceshirt.jpg>
>
>Good picture!

You missed a good one. The best fireworks display ever. Alec could have
feasted on your boobs, too.

Betty

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At 06:21 PM 4/24/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Thursday, April 24, 2003, 6:14:13 PM, Betty wrote:
>
> > At 05:05 PM 4/24/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Thursday, April 24, 2003, 4:39:26 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >> > In any case, you're always doing cutesy
> >> > shit like that.  It doesn't stand out.
> >>
> >>"Cutesy shit"?
> > Phlegm R Us,  various other signatures , etc.
>
>
>
> >>I think I have to go slit my wrists now...
>
> > Why?
>
>Because I loathe cutesiness.
>
>Karen

So you aren't trying to be cute with different signatures?

Betty

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> If I seem busy/happy/content, it's because I am working hard
> at finding some things to be happy about after a long period
> of time being extremely busy but discontent. I take it as quite
> a compliment that I seem to be any of those, even as my online
> shadow.

You do seem busy and happy.  Content is harder to define.  And I like
that you are able to be upbeat and interested in life (and you are very
clearly interested in life) when things in your own life are not good.

What I don't like is that the rain is wildly pouring right now, the
thunder raging, and probably tornadoes lurking (though not imminent
right here -- no sirens).  What I hate about this is that the Survivor
screen will no doubt be full of maps of where the tornado
watches/warnings are with possible interruptions to tell us weather
things.  I hate that.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I think some of our more interesting
> and controversial conversations originate
> because someone, on a Saturday night,
> is bored.  I plead guilty more than once.
> Also to getting a little carried away.
> But then no one is perfect, no?

This is one of the things so <comfortable> about Words-L -- and why it
is so important to me.  We are among friends of a very special kind and
can behave in impulsive and -- I can't think of all the right adjectives
-- ways.  The reason I can't pause to think about adjectives it that
things are a mess -- I'm waiting for the pizza dinger to ding, the
Bellsouth outgoing mailserver is going up and down, the rain is so loud
that I'm not sure I can hear the pizza dinger, etc. etc.  I have things
I wanted to say on this subject (Words-L behaviors).  But things are too
<chaotic> right now to spit them out.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> It's just that I feel as if I've done little with my life.

That is a normal kind of thought.  You have done many good things with
your life -- some of them right here on Words-L.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I don't think he was talking about guarantees.  He was talking about
> > average lifespans.
>
> I think 30 years is far from an avg. lifespan. Mine was only 18 when
> it died.

He didn't mean that he was absolutely for sure about his guessings.  It
was just guessing.  He's not the type person to fall apart if he
misguessed and has to get one sooner.

> > Some of my interest is because I really would
> > like to toss my old electric one and get a gas one.
>
> Well, if you have a spare $350 lying around, it could be worthwhile.

Well, if mine weren't very, very old, I probably wouldn't be thinking
these thoughts.  But I do think it might be worth $350.  (It would
probably cost more than that to change to gas, though, since the gas
would have to be run to that location.)

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Thursday, April 24, 2003, 6:33:33 PM, Betty wrote:

> At 06:21 PM 4/24/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Thursday, April 24, 2003, 6:14:13 PM, Betty wrote:
>>
>> > At 05:05 PM 4/24/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>> >>Thursday, April 24, 2003, 4:39:26 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>> >> > In any case, you're always doing cutesy
>> >> > shit like that.  It doesn't stand out.
>> >>
>> >>"Cutesy shit"?
>> > Phlegm R Us,  various other signatures , etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> >>I think I have to go slit my wrists now...
>>
>> > Why?
>>
>>Because I loathe cutesiness.
>>
>>Karen

> So you aren't trying to be cute with different signatures?

God, no.

Karen

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At 06:57 PM 4/24/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Thursday, April 24, 2003, 6:33:33 PM, Betty wrote:
>
> > At 06:21 PM 4/24/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Thursday, April 24, 2003, 6:14:13 PM, Betty wrote:
> >>
> >> > At 05:05 PM 4/24/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >> >>Thursday, April 24, 2003, 4:39:26 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >> >> > In any case, you're always doing cutesy
> >> >> > shit like that.  It doesn't stand out.
> >> >>
> >> >>"Cutesy shit"?
> >> > Phlegm R Us,  various other signatures , etc.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >>I think I have to go slit my wrists now...
> >>
> >> > Why?
> >>
> >>Because I loathe cutesiness.
> >>
> >>Karen
>
> > So you aren't trying to be cute with different signatures?
>
>God, no.

You can call me Betty.  They look cutesy.

Betty

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> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >
> > > I have a photo and made a guess as to how to get it online.
> >
> > Where online??
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
> Well, it <might> be visible at
> <http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/alyceshirt.jpg>
>
> Worth a try.
> clo

Nice shirt and nice to see you, too.

Sandra

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > Yes, I agree. She was showing more respect towards Doris but not towards
> > Sylvia.
>
> That is correct.  I respect Doris.  She is a thinking, open-minded
> person.

    Talk about being cutesy.

JMW

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At 05:11 PM 4/24/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Betty Clark wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, I agree. She was showing more respect towards Doris but not towards
> > > Sylvia.
> >
> > That is correct.  I respect Doris.  She is a thinking, open-minded
> > person.
>
>     Talk about being cutesy.

Somehow I missed this.  Bless your heart, Natalie.

Betty

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I don't think I'm going to get to see Survivor at all.  So far, this
idiot is going on and on and on about the weather, as if we don't have
other ways of knowing what the weather is doing.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Marie and I are going to visit Alyce (and Jeff, and Doug if he's still
there) on Sunday.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Ok, so I did get to see snippets of it.  But I have questions -- and
will ask them in such a way as not to give anything away to those who
haven't seen it yet.  I think somebody said earlier that it was in some
kind of preview that they'd get letters from home, so my mentioning that
won't give anything away.  My question is exactly how it was determined
who would get to read the letters.  I saw two people reading letters --
we'll call them X and Y.  But somebody else commented that X deserved to
read a letter and that Y had been selfish or unfair or something like
that.  Yet both X and Y seemed to be reading letters from home.  So I'm
confused.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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John Williams wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Betty Clark wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, I agree. She was showing more respect towards Doris but not towards
> > > Sylvia.
> >
> > That is correct.  I respect Doris.  She is a thinking, open-minded
> > person.
>
>     Talk about being cutesy.

Cutesy?  What's cutesy?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 08:02 PM 4/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I don't think I'm going to get to see Survivor at all.  So far, this
>idiot is going on and on and on about the weather, as if we don't have
>other ways of knowing what the weather is doing.


Life is tough.

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At 09:04 PM 4/24/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>Marie and I are going to visit Alyce (and Jeff, and Doug if he's still
>there) on Sunday.

That's wonderful!  I wish I were closer so I could join you. Give her a hug
for all of us.

Betty

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Betty wrote:
> > > > Yes, I agree. She was showing more respect towards Doris but not towards
> > > > Sylvia.
> > >
> > > That is correct.  I respect Doris.  She is a thinking, open-minded
> > > person.
> >
> >     Talk about being cutesy.
>
> Somehow I missed this.  Bless your heart, Natalie.

Missed what?  Is this the kind of thing Bonnie was talking about?  That
I'm not direct like Rita but am <hedgy> or whatever?  That I should call
a spade a spade more clearly?  I thought what I said was pretty clear.
Is it not?  Do I need to spell it out as part of my emulate-Rita effort?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> Marie and I are going to visit Alyce (and Jeff, and Doug if he's still
> there) on Sunday.

Good!!  Doug left last Monday, wasn't it?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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In a message dated 04/24/2003 8:05:17 PM Central Daylight Time,
adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<<
Marie and I are going to visit Alyce (and Jeff, and Doug if he's still
there) on Sunday.

>>

Oh, good!  Please give her my love.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
gets the cheese.

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> Good!!  Doug left last Monday, wasn't it?

I'm not sure, I was nomail while in Vermont and am having trouble figuring
out what's what. That'll teach me!

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Survivor...   What a fucked-up tme for a game show name "Survivor":

Tell me Mr. 82nd, 504th in Afghansistan, how goes "Enduring Freedom"?

And to the west we have Mr. 325th in Kuwait!  How goes it!?

Fun, huh?  Checkin' out some Dixie Chicks!?



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> At 08:02 PM 4/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >I don't think I'm going to get to see Survivor at all.  So far, this
> >idiot is going on and on and on about the weather, as if we don't have
> >other ways of knowing what the weather is doing.
>
>
> Life is tough.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > > > > Yes, I agree. She was showing more respect towards Doris but not towards
> > > > > Sylvia.
> > > >
> > > > That is correct.  I respect Doris.  She is a thinking, open-minded
> > > > person.
> > >
> > >     Talk about being cutesy.
> >
> > Somehow I missed this.  Bless your heart, Natalie.
>
> Missed what?  Is this the kind of thing Bonnie was talking about?  That
> I'm not direct like Rita but am <hedgy> or whatever?  That I should call
> a spade a spade more clearly?  I thought what I said was pretty clear.
> Is it not?  Do I need to spell it out as part of my emulate-Rita effort?

I reread this and decided that yes -- it is likely to be considered
<wiggly> or <hedgy> or <Southern> or something (wasn't
"passive-aggressive" a term used for this kind of thing) to say what I
said.

So I will be more explicit, to ward off those accusations:  I was
shocked at what Doris said when she said that about being "on another's
side" instead of "on our side" because I don't think of Doris as a
cliche of any kind.  I think of Doris as intelligent, thinking,
knowledgeable, and fair-minded.  Otoh, I was not the least bit surprised
when Sylvia launched into another of her postings about how I was
dis-America or un-America or whatever since I find Sylvia a cliche.
Doris and I disagree about many things re politics and the world
situation, yet I never feel that she wants to kick me out of the country
or that she does not recognize the importance of examining issues and
discussing them.  Sylvia is, as I said the other night I think, the
embodiment to me of those cartoons of the gagged Statue of Liberty.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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I just got a phone call from Alyce. She sounds in fine spirits and only
coughed a little. Anyway, she wanted me to tell y'all that she is not near
the computer much - that she's in bed. Jeff is trying to print stuff out for
her to read but apparently the printer is acting up.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > Good!!  Doug left last Monday, wasn't it?
>
> I'm not sure, I was nomail while in Vermont and am having trouble figuring
> out what's what. That'll teach me!

But it doesn't really matter.  The important thing is visiting Alyce.
It's true that she might not want or need much in the way of company
right now.  That's one reason I think it is good that it's going to be
just two of you.  Nothing overwhelming.  Just two staunch Wordslers
conveying all of our love to her.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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In a message dated 04/24/2003 6:48:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
You have done many good things with
your life
>>

Well, I know one good thing:  I gave a home to a little feral kitten
four years ago.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> I just got a phone call from Alyce. She sounds in fine spirits and only
> coughed a little. Anyway, she wanted me to tell y'all that she is not near
> the computer much - that she's in bed. Jeff is trying to print stuff out for
> her to read but apparently the printer is acting up.

Thanks for the report!  I had figured that she wasn't near the computer,
and I wasn't sure how much time Jeff has had for reading list mail.
That's why I used "Jeff" as the subject-header when asking about Doug
and why I didn't reply to his reply.  I didn't want to overburden him.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> <<
> You have done many good things with
> your life
> >>
>
> Well, I know one good thing:  I gave a home to a little feral kitten
> four years ago.

And that is much more than many people have done in their lives, even
those who think they have done <great things>.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> Marie and I are going to visit Alyce (and Jeff, and Doug if he's still
> there) on Sunday.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com

Very cool of you :)

Sandra

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At 09:41 PM 4/24/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>I just got a phone call from Alyce. She sounds in fine spirits and only
>coughed a little. Anyway, she wanted me to tell y'all that she is not near
>the computer much - that she's in bed. Jeff is trying to print stuff out for
>her to read but apparently the printer is acting up.

Thanks, Adam.

Betty

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At 08:41 PM 4/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > > > > > Yes, I agree. She was showing more respect towards Doris but
> not towards
> > > > > > Sylvia.
> > > > >
> > > > > That is correct.  I respect Doris.  She is a thinking, open-minded
> > > > > person.
> > > >
> > > >     Talk about being cutesy.
> > >
> > > Somehow I missed this.  Bless your heart, Natalie.
> >
> > Missed what?  Is this the kind of thing Bonnie was talking about?  That
> > I'm not direct like Rita but am <hedgy> or whatever?  That I should call
> > a spade a spade more clearly?  I thought what I said was pretty clear.
> > Is it not?  Do I need to spell it out as part of my emulate-Rita effort?
>
>I reread this and decided that yes -- it is likely to be considered
><wiggly> or <hedgy> or <Southern> or something (wasn't
>"passive-aggressive" a term used for this kind of thing) to say what I
>said.
>
>So I will be more explicit, to ward off those accusations:  I was
>shocked at what Doris said when she said that about being "on another's
>side" instead of "on our side" because I don't think of Doris as a
>cliche of any kind.  I think of Doris as intelligent, thinking,
>knowledgeable, and fair-minded.  Otoh, I was not the least bit surprised
>when Sylvia launched into another of her postings about how I was
>dis-America or un-America or whatever since I find Sylvia a cliche.
>Doris and I disagree about many things re politics and the world
>situation, yet I never feel that she wants to kick me out of the country
>or that she does not recognize the importance of examining issues and
>discussing them.  Sylvia is, as I said the other night I think, the
>embodiment to me of those cartoons of the gagged Statue of Liberty.

Well then you don't know Sylvia BUT I don't want to talk about it and I
hope that you will respect that.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> Well then you don't know Sylvia BUT I don't want to talk about it and I
> hope that you will respect that.

Respect that you don't want to talk about Sylvia?  Of course.  I will
not force you to talk about Sylvia any more than I would force anybody
else to talk about something they didn't want to talk about.  I can talk
about her, of course.  The one time I've been around Sylvia ftf, I found
her delightful -- no hint of the kind of sniping she has directed toward
me on the list.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> Marie and I are going to visit Alyce (and Jeff, and Doug if he's still
> there) on Sunday.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com

Wonderful.

      - D. M.

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> Let's go back to this. I got stuck in a hanger once, and I'd like
> to hear from someone who has similar propensities. Why did you put
> your head there?

Just goofing around, I have no better explanation.  Being silly with my
friend Susi, in some parking lot outside an ice cream place.

And you, in the hanger?

Ann

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Thursday, April 24, 2003, 9:34:06 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Just goofing around, I have no better explanation.  Being silly with my
> friend Susi, in some parking lot outside an ice cream place.

I remember Susi. She was a Bad Influence on you!

Karen

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Sylvia, thanks for your kind words and thoughts. Alyce has read the note
about your garden and says she is honored to have her name attached.
Quote, "I have high expectations for many fine blooms!"

Jeff

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On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Thursday, April 24, 2003, 5:37:12 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > Well, it <might> be visible at
> > <http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/alyceshirt.jpg>
>
> > Worth a try.
>
> You look like you're trying not to laugh.
>
> Karen
>

Yes, I was listening to all kinds of silly comments designed to make me
smile.
clo

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
At home I found Wordquake
> T-shirt in it! Turquoise blue -- at least this is the colour I used to
> call so, it is one of the colours people most often have different
> opinions about what it exactly is. I love the colour! Though I hardly ever
> have had something of that colour -- I don't know why, it has just
> happened so. Now I have given the shirt as a gift and it made me happy (as
> much as one can speak of happiness in this situation).


Glad you like it. I guess I would call it turquoise blue, too. Now you
are truly one of us!

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > It was definitely <wrong> to label someone stupid and not logical at all to
> > continue the tirade and keep using the term. She ended up sounding stupid, imo.
>
> What are we talking about?  I have never called Doris stupid.  She is
> far, far from stupid.

No dear, you called ME stupid... twice.

Bless your heart.

Sylvia Edwards
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On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> > Let's go back to this. I got stuck in a hanger once, and I'd like
> > to hear from someone who has similar propensities. Why did you put
> > your head there?
>
> Just goofing around, I have no better explanation.  Being silly with my
> friend Susi, in some parking lot outside an ice cream place.
>

And yet, I sense the right narrative could make the tale enjoyable for
several pages.

> And you, in the hanger?

That is a long story, and not explainable without my 17th birthday party,
my first caving trip, and my uncles roaring around the Thanksgiving dinner
table while my father said drily, "I see that the money we are investing
in your college education is not being wasted".

Mayhap at AcadiaFest?
clo

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AGAIN, let me tell you that I NEVER wanted to kick you out.  THAT notion
is a figment of your imagination.  You latched onto that idea and choose
to cling to it.  Oh well... it's your brain.

Bless your heart.




>, and fair-minded.  Otoh, I was not the least bit surprised
> when Sylvia launched into another of her postings about how I was
> dis-America or un-America or whatever since I find Sylvia a cliche.
> Doris and I disagree about many things re politics and the world
> situation, yet I never feel that she wants to kick me out of the country
> or that she does not recognize the importance of examining issues and
> discussing them.  Sylvia is, as I said the other night I think, the
> embodiment to me of those cartoons of the gagged Statue of Liberty.



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Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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18:20 24.04.2003 -0700 skrev Betty:
>At 09:04 PM 4/24/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>>Marie and I are going to visit Alyce (and Jeff, and Doug if he's still
>>there) on Sunday.
>
>That's wonderful!  I wish I were closer so I could join you. Give her a hug
>for all of us.

Yes!

Espen

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
= On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
=
= > > Let's go back to this. I got stuck in a hanger once, and I'd like
= > > to hear from someone who has similar propensities. Why did you put
= > > your head there?
= >
= > Just goofing around, I have no better explanation.  Being silly with my
= > friend Susi, in some parking lot outside an ice cream place.
= >
=
= And yet, I sense the right narrative could make the tale enjoyable for
= several pages.
=
= > And you, in the hanger?
=
= That is a long story, and not explainable without my 17th birthday party,
= my first caving trip, and my uncles roaring around the Thanksgiving dinner
= table while my father said drily, "I see that the money we are investing
= in your college education is not being wasted".
=
= Mayhap at AcadiaFest?
= clo

Doesn't somebody else have a story that goes pretty much along
these lines?  Uncles, wasted college education, etc.

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At 05:51 AM 4/25/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>Betty wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Yes, I agree. She was showing more respect towards Doris but not towards
>>>>>>Sylvia.
>>>>>That is correct.  I respect Doris.  She is a thinking, open-minded
>>>>>person.
>>>>    Talk about being cutesy.
>>>Somehow I missed this.  Bless your heart, Natalie.
>>
>>Missed what?  Is this the kind of thing Bonnie was talking about?  That
>>I'm not direct like Rita but am <hedgy> or whatever?  That I should call
>>a spade a spade more clearly?  I thought what I said was pretty clear.
>>Is it not?  Do I need to spell it out as part of my emulate-Rita effort?
>
>
>        I think a more accurate word would be "snide."  That's what
>comes to mind.  I wish you'd stop using me to pick on
>Sylvia.  As delightful as the idea of being all that is Good
>and Wholesome on Words-L might be, I actually like Sylvia,
>and I owe her since her lesson plans have saved my ass this
>year.

She is very smart. I remember enjoying  the Women's Page she put together
years ago on her web site. Now I check out her web pages to see her
grandchildren grow!

Betty

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I have to decide today whether to vote for our China trip to be scheduled
this coming January or to cancel all together.

I can still cancel 45 days prior to January take off.  It's just so
disappointing all around to give it all up.

I see on the news this morning that travel to Toronto is being affected,
too.  I bet baseball will roll on.  Are we punishing Canada or something?

Betty

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FROM :MRS CHANTAL AND HIS SON
FROM :ABIDJAN-COTE D'IVOIRE
E MAIL.mrschantal@libero.it.

DEAR,

IT IS MY PLEASURE TO WRITE TO YOU AFTER MY SEVEN
DAYS FASTING AND PRAYERS, l AM MRS CHANTAL THE WIFE
OF LATE MR ALFRED JACK FROM KWAZULU-NATAL IN REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA, MY HUSBAND OWNS A LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY OF COCOA AND GOLD IN JOHANESBURG SOUTH AFRICA MY COUNTRY.

AFTER HIS TRIP TO ABIDJAN COTE D´IVIORE TO
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lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> At 04:37 PM 4/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:

> >My son climbed 30 feet up in a larch when he was three - he was
> >out playing with other kids, and nobody thought of telling an adult.
> >They got tired of playing and went home, and luckily he was
> >dressed in red, so I spotted him.
> >clo
>
> So I don't know what a larch is. I assumed it's a tree but I wanted to see
> it. I figure google will tell me. There's are lot's of references to
> "larch" but nothing useful to me.  I could subscribe to larch-l, as it
> exists but, I figure they're bound to be way less interesting than words-l.
> They've probably even moved on from 1991. So really, who needs that.
>
> lisa
> ps. the correct search syntax is larch +tree

Larch is... boy it's been a long time since I went to Boy Scout
camp!

A Larch is a deciduous fir,  I think - sort of piney needles, but
losing them every fall. More relevant to my son's adventure, it is
sometimes used in windbreaks and ornamental borders because it's
relatively reedy - that is to say, thin and narrow, with branches
a 3-yr old could climb, but not the adult who needs to go up after
him.

clo

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At 09:04 PM 4/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Marie and I are going to visit Alyce (and Jeff, and Doug if he's still
>there) on Sunday.
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@attbi.com

Damn.. I wish I wasn't so busy this weekend.. I'd try to meet you up there.

lisa

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Betty,
>
> You know I only want your boobs.

    They sure as hell don't help her swimming.

JMW, PM

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I found the timing funny (not haha exactly) that just after I said that
I hadn't heard any criticisms on Quantanamo in a long time, the ones
about the children there popped up in the news.  I don't get the feeling
that there's any mistreatment of them, however.  The point of this
posting is simply to comment on the timing -- sort of a WLM when reading
about them.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 12:53 PM 4/25/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: English Language Discussion Group
> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty
> >Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 7:32 PM
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: For Alyce[The package with your gift came!]
> >
> >
> >At 06:18 PM 4/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >>Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >>
> >> > Well, it <might> be visible at
> >> > <http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/alyceshirt.jpg>
> >>
> >>Good picture!
> >
> >You missed a good one. The best fireworks display ever. Alec could have
> >feasted on your boobs, too.
> >
> >Betty
> >
>
>Betty,
>
>You know I only want your boobs.

I love ya, man!  LOL

Betty

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> From prbarfoo@libraru.syr.edu

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At 01:24 PM 4/25/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
> > just two of you.  Nothing overwhelming.  Just two staunch Wordslers
> > conveying all of our love to her.
>
>We're going to eat hot fudge sundaes.

Perfect!

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rashmi Murthy
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>
>
>Rumor mill's abuzz... please keep your fingers and toes crossed
>
>-rashmi, not liking the looks of this
>

Layoffs would suck! Happy thoughts going your way.

alec

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Carolyn Ostrander
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>
>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>>
>> Trust me, I would never diss a boob.
>>I like them bigger then smaller.
>>
>> alec
>
>? Expanding and contracting?
>
More then a mouthful or 34B and bigger.

alec

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I've decided to see if I can find a plant out in Alyce's yard that I can move to mine Sunday. If I'm allowed.

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET>
Date: Friday, April 25, 2003 0:29 am
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> Sylvia, thanks for your kind words and thoughts. Alyce has read
> the note
> about your garden and says she is honored to have her name attached.
> Quote, "I have high expectations for many fine blooms!"
>
> Jeff
>
> --
> alyce cresap, books & ephemera
> po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
> 518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
> http://www.alybooks.com
> charter member: IOBA
> independent on-line booksellers association
> selling books since 1963
>

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Marie Ascher wrote:
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> I've decided to see if I can find a plant out in Alyce's yard that I can move to mine Sunday. If I'm allowed.

That is a wonderful idea.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> > Weird.  I've never thought of having an arguing <style>.
>
> Not style. The secret of the way you analyse before you start arguing?

Ahh, but that's a problem I have -- I don't analyze before speaking.  I
just hop right in.  (This reminds me of some fascinating stuff my
students in Sociolinguistics were saying this morning about
glossolalia.  More on that later.  I need to go take Spencer for a walk
on this beautiful afternoon.)

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> adapt. I do not pretend being nice and polite, it's not hypocricy, but it is how I
> am for some time, for I first search for best features in other people, find them,
> then I find out some other, maybe less convenient sides of their characters, but in
> most cases go on thinking of them as being good/interesting/caring, etc., with
> their own peculiarities.
>
> Having reached that point, I may make bolder conclusions when it comes to
> inconvenient or unfair situations. And I may get furious in a situation when
> someone is unfair towards someone else. (And then a-couple-of-year-acquaintances of
> mine are taken aback for they'd have never believed such bursts from me.) I cannot
> be quite sure I have never put on labels.

Hear! Hear! Somebody has got into full swing when praising oneself.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> > Huh?  What Bonnie seemed to be suggesting (and I perhaps misinterpreted)
> > was that I was somehow pretending to not have intended the "dressed like
> > a whore" as an insult.  Of course I did.
>
> You did intend it?

Yes.

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At 01:53 PM 4/25/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
>At 10:50 AM 4/25/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>>At 10:11 AM 5/26/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
>>>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>>>
>>> > Betty,
>>> >
>>> > You know I only want your boobs.
>>>
>>>     They sure as hell don't help her swimming.
>>>
>>>JMW, PM
>>
>>Hey, I'm in shape this year.  Terry said there was a pool at her
>>motel.  Bring your suit.
>>
>>Betty
>
>
>Yeah right! After breakfast at the Hearthside I'm gonna sink the bottom of
>the pool like a rock!.

You can work it off hiking.

Betty

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http://www.spow.freeserve.co.uk/old~tits.jpg

Somebody just e-mailed me some funny pictures, this one among them.  Its
timeliness re the Alec and Betty boob talk led me to google for it and
find it for y'all.

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Here's the url for the whole thing.  I thought it was very good.  (This
was last week's Newsweek, not this week's.)

http://www.msnbc.com/news/899483.asp

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Is Jarmila a female name among Czechs?  I just added a url to my blog
for a letter written by somebody named Jarmila Temelova, a U.S. citizen
who immigrated from the former Czechoslovakia.  When reading it I was
thinking "she," and I used "she" and "her" in describing it on the
blog.  But in looking back at it, I'm not sure why I assumed she.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > And may I express my joy, somewhat triumphantly, I must admit ;-) over what you admitted as
> > you said in the first row of the passage quoted. In my opinion, btw, for the first time. But
> > I may be wrong.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean.  My readily admiting that I comment on or
> ask questions about side-points in conversations?

..._rather than_ what was actually meant by what somebody said -- yes.

> I don't remember that
> this particular topic has arisen before, has it?

Many a time.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > > And may I express my joy, somewhat triumphantly, I must admit ;-) over what you admitted as
> > > you said in the first row of the passage quoted. In my opinion, btw, for the first time. But
> > > I may be wrong.
> >
> > I'm not sure what you mean.  My readily admiting that I comment on or
> > ask questions about side-points in conversations?
>
> ..._rather than_ what was actually meant by what somebody said -- yes.

I'm confused again.  What you're describing here sounds like distortion
-- like putting wrong words in people's mouths or some such.  It's your
"what was actually meant" that makes it sound that way to me.  I
certainly hope I don't do that.  I'm sure almost everybody accidentally
does something like that in a conversation occasionally, of course, but
they get corrected -- like one misinterprets something.

If I find a side-point interesting, I will comment on it or ask about
it.  I can't remember your milk example right now but will make one up
that's sort of similar.  You might say "I'm going to go to the kitchen
to get a glass of milk because I'm about to go to bed and milk makes me
sleep better."  I would understand that your point was about milk and
sleep, but I might ask you something like, "what size containers are
considered standard for milk in Estonia?"  Sure, you didn't <mean>
anything about container sizes in what you said, but I'm getting the
idea that you think it would be somehow <bad> for such a side-question
to be asked.

> > I don't remember that
> > this particular topic has arisen before, has it?
>
> Many a time.

I have no memory of a single time we've discussed digressions, which is
what I assume we're talking about here.  Probably we have, of course.
We've discussed almost everything at one time or another.  I just don't
remember this one.

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Betty wrote:

> I see on the news this morning that travel to Toronto is being affected,
> too.  I bet baseball will roll on.  Are we punishing Canada or something?

I heard on NPR yesterday morning that the baseball players going to
Toronto have been told not to shake hands with anybody or to sign
autographs or to mingle in any way with the population.  Supposedly the
WHO said they would reconsider the Toronto situation in something like
three weeks, which the Canadians were not at all happy about -- as in
that's too long to wait.  I heard all of the above more than 24 hrs
ago.  Things might have changed since then.

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At 07:20 PM 4/25/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>What I think is that we live in a global village.

Yes, you would.

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    Where were all these voices of "patriotic dissent" during the last
decade; during Kosovo, and Bosnia, and Haiti, and Somalia?  Were their
First Amendment rights denied then?
    For that matter, why are they not crying out this week against
Castro?  Where is Amnesty International?
    (Or, FTM, you could throw in the Mexicans, who seem to have
laryngitis.)

JMW

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> Exactly,  It's a game.  ... with a predictable outcome.

Maybe like those computer games that seem to go on lasting forever if the player is
skilled enough? :)

Kristin

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Glad you like it. I guess I would call it turquoise blue, too. Now you
> are truly one of us!

This was Alyce herself, right!

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Betty wrote:
>
>>>>>Yes, I agree. She was showing more respect towards Doris but not towards
>>>>>Sylvia.
>>>>>
>>>>That is correct.  I respect Doris.  She is a thinking, open-minded
>>>>person.
>>>>
>>>    Talk about being cutesy.
>>>
>>Somehow I missed this.  Bless your heart, Natalie.
>>
>
> Missed what?  Is this the kind of thing Bonnie was talking about?  That
> I'm not direct like Rita but am <hedgy> or whatever?  That I should call
> a spade a spade more clearly?  I thought what I said was pretty clear.
> Is it not?  Do I need to spell it out as part of my emulate-Rita effort?
>


        I think a more accurate word would be "snide."  That's what
comes to mind.  I wish you'd stop using me to pick on
Sylvia.  As delightful as the idea of being all that is Good
and Wholesome on Words-L might be, I actually like Sylvia,
and I owe her since her lesson plans have saved my ass this
year.



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Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I think a more accurate word would be "snide."  That's what
> comes to mind.  I wish you'd stop using me to pick on
> Sylvia.  As delightful as the idea of being all that is Good

Sorry.  I wasn't thinking of it as <using> you.  I was serious about
trying to be more direct re the Bonnie comment about your style vs
mine.  I didn't mean to be tying you to a particular
topic/person/whatever.  (And I wasn't thinking of my comments as exactly
<picking on> Sylvia.  Just answering her attacks on me.  But I've solved
the problem by using the delete key.)

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At 01:21 PM 4/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>At 01:01 PM 4/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>I'm having post-adrenaline fatigue.
>>
>>Ann
>
>Oh my goodness!
>
>We don't allow much "take your kid to work" .  All the clinicians expected
>the rest of the staff to babysit their children  while they saw patients.
>
>Betty

We have it here.. it happens on random days throughout the year. Those with
kids think it's great to bring them to the office for a day. The kids think
it's great too. We have a refrigerator full of soda and all the microwave
popcorn they can eat. When they're through with that they hit the
receptionists hard candy dish.

It's also fun for the kids to play hide and seek in our cube farm. There's
nothing like the sound of thundering, sugar frenzied, squealing, offspring
of people who make more than I do, flying through the office while yelling
at their siblings to be quiet. It makes for a great day of work.

lisa

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At 04:37 PM 4/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>My stbex sent me a bunch of hilarious pictures of kids where
>they shouldn't be, under the heading "Why Men Shouldn't babysit"
>today.
>
>Unfortunately, they were nearly all things kids I was watching
>had done (like painting the baby with magic markers while it
>slept - well, in my case it was a babydoll, but still), so I couldn't
>feel all womanly smug.
>
>My son climbed 30 feet up in a larch when he was three - he was
>out playing with other kids, and nobody thought of telling an adult.
>They got tired of playing and went home, and luckily he was
>dressed in red, so I spotted him.
>clo


So I don't know what a larch is. I assumed it's a tree but I wanted to see
it. I figure google will tell me. There's are lot's of references to
"larch" but nothing useful to me.  I could subscribe to larch-l, as it
exists but, I figure they're bound to be way less interesting than words-l.
They've probably even moved on from 1991. So really, who needs that.

lisa
ps. the correct search syntax is larch +tree

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At 04:02 PM 4/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Thursday, April 24, 2003, 4:00:52 PM, bonniev wrote:
> >>Carolyn Ostrander:
> >>= My stbex sent me a bunch of hilarious pictures of kids where
> >>
> >>Are you really getting a divorce from this guy or what?
>
> > Yeah, really.  And who gets the house?
>
>Why do you care?
>
>Karen

Because there's nothing else new and interesting to talk about.

Don't be such a snot.

lisa

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At 04:14 PM 4/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I find this utterly fascinating. Here's a woman who's clearly going
>through a very painful time in her life, and all you can think to do
>is interrogate her. Whereas, when Paul and I declared ourselves evil
>twins, and Alyce as well, no one ever never asked why.
>
>Karen

Clearly? I don't think it's clear. Is it clear because she's getting a
divorce and they're all painful?

Interrogate? I didn't see interrogation.

Evil Twins? what? what were you talking about again?

lisa

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At 05:15 PM 4/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Is it annoying for me to call him that?

no.

>I started one day when I was really annoyed; I do it sort of to keep my
>nerve up, I think. I cry over it a lot.
>clo

Now the "painful" Karen mentioned is clear. Sorry you're going through this
clo.

lisa

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At 09:00 AM 4/25/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>I have a larch tree in my yard - in fact my deck is built around it.  It
>looks like an
>evergreen (i.e. it has needles not leaves) but loses its needles every
>fall and grows
>new ones in the spring.  It has a very soft and feathery look.
>
>BrP

Good for climbing?

Betty

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At 05:43 AM 4/25/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>I see on the news this morning that travel to Toronto is being affected,
>too.  I bet baseball will roll on.  Are we punishing Canada or something?

Travel to Toronto is being affected by the WHO warning---which included
Toronto with Hong Kong, Beijing, and other places in the Far
East.  Apparently baseball is not being affected, although players are
being advised on precautions (wash your hands a lot, use only your own pen
to sign autographs, etc.).  If I were that set on seeing The Wall, I'd vote
to reschedule, then keep track of developments---as long as you still have
that large window for cancelling out.

cwv

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At 08:14 AM 4/25/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> > So I don't know what a larch is. I assumed it's a tree but I wanted to
>see
> > it. I figure google will tell me. There's are lot's of references to
> > "larch" but nothing useful to me.  I could subscribe to larch-l, as it
> > exists but, I figure they're bound to be way less interesting than
>words-l.
> > They've probably even moved on from 1991. So really, who needs that.
> >
> > lisa
>
>
>http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~leavens/larch-pics.html

Oh, that doesn't look like a tree for climbing!

Betty

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At 09:11 AM 4/25/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 05:43 AM 4/25/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>>I see on the news this morning that travel to Toronto is being affected,
>>too.  I bet baseball will roll on.  Are we punishing Canada or something?
>
>Travel to Toronto is being affected by the WHO warning---which included
>Toronto with Hong Kong, Beijing, and other places in the Far
>East.  Apparently baseball is not being affected, although players are
>being advised on precautions (wash your hands a lot, use only your own pen
>to sign autographs, etc.).  If I were that set on seeing The Wall, I'd vote
>to reschedule, then keep track of developments---as long as you still have
>that large window for cancelling out.

We can cancel 45 days prior to departure and only lose $150 each.

Are you starting to watch the BB playoffs yet, Clyde?  I can't seem to stay
awake until the end so I have to check results in the morning to see who won.

Betty

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> At 09:00 AM 4/25/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> >I have a larch tree in my yard - in fact my deck is built around it.  It
> >looks like an
> >evergreen (i.e. it has needles not leaves) but loses its needles every
> >fall and grows
> >new ones in the spring.  It has a very soft and feathery look.
> >
> >BrP
>
> Good for climbing?
>
> Betty

Not the best.  Larch trees tend to grow quite tall and the branches can be pretty far
apart and somewhat brittle.  I think the best climbing trees are maple, oak, and
beech.  My personal favorite is Copper Beech.

BrP

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> So I don't know what a larch is. I assumed it's a tree but I wanted to
see
> it. I figure google will tell me. There's are lot's of references to
> "larch" but nothing useful to me.  I could subscribe to larch-l, as it
> exists but, I figure they're bound to be way less interesting than
words-l.
> They've probably even moved on from 1991. So really, who needs that.
>
> lisa


http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~leavens/larch-pics.html


                         - D. M.

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At 08:49 AM 4/25/2003 -0400, newsletters@THESTAR.COM wrote:
> > From prbarfoo@libraru.syr.edu
>
>Thought you might be interested in this one.
>
>
>SARS hits economy hard
>
>http://thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_T
>ype1&c=Article&cid=1051125556106&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154

Thanks, Paul. Pretty sad all around.

Betty

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At 06:14 PM 4/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 04/24/2003 11:53:54 AM Central Daylight Time,
>bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
>
><<
>Yes, belatedly.  You must warn us next time you have one.  :-)
>
> >>
>
>Thanks!  I'm not sure I want to even think about the next one;
>I'll be 49.

But you post young and that's all that counts.

lisa


>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse
>gets the cheese.

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At 08:55 AM 4/25/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:


>So I don't know what a larch is. I assumed it's a tree but I wanted to see
>it. I figure google will tell me. There's are lot's of references to
>"larch" but nothing useful to me.

There are two species of Larix (larch)---the European larch, L. decidua,
and the North American tamarack or Eastern larch, L. laricina.  Both now
occur in NA.  both are deciduous; in both, the needles turn yellow in
autumn before they are shed.

"Tamarack" clearly has become a popular trade name; I googled on the
scientific name "Larix laricina" and came up with this one, which has pictures:

http://www.cnr.vt.edu/dendro/dendrology/syllabus/llaricina.htm


cwv

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At 06:25 AM 4/25/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:

>Are you starting to watch the BB playoffs yet, Clyde?  I can't seem to stay
>awake until the end so I have to check results in the morning to see who won.

They played those---Syracuse (men) and Connecticut (women) won.  Oh---you
mean the rock-concert version of the sport?  No.

cwv

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At 09:42 AM 4/25/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 06:25 AM 4/25/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>
>>Are you starting to watch the BB playoffs yet, Clyde?  I can't seem to stay
>>awake until the end so I have to check results in the morning to see who won.
>
>They played those---Syracuse (men) and Connecticut (women) won.  Oh---you
>mean the rock-concert version of the sport?  No.
>
>cwv

Well, did you at least see the lesbian kiss on All My Children?

BB

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Wake Bonnie up and tell her I'm waiting for her to make her play in Scrabble!

I'm off today.  We're going bicycle shopping and taking in a movie that I
forgot the name of already.

Betty

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At 06:53 AM 4/25/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>Wake Bonnie up and tell her I'm waiting for her to make her play in Scrabble!

she just did.

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At 09:54 AM 4/25/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 06:53 AM 4/25/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>>Wake Bonnie up and tell her I'm waiting for her to make her play in Scrabble!
>
>she just did.

Thanks!  She is up again.  I had one waiting.

Betty

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In a shocking Tribal Council on night 30, Alex Bell, the confident
32-year-old triathlon trainer from Los Angeles, was voted out of the tribe
with four votes against him. Alex met his demise after Rob Cesternino, the
24-year-old computer projects coordinator from Wantagh, New York, switched
his allegiance and conspired to vote Alex out of the tribe. Alex becomes the
third member of the Jury that will return every three days to observe Tribal
Council and will ultimately vote for who will win the million-dollar prize
and the title of Sole Survivor. Upon leaving Tribal Council, Alex delivered
his Final Words: "Wow, you guys got me. I don't know who on my alliance
flipped on me, but I think it was Rob. I played the game as best as I
could."

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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Stress or a virus is my guess.


Alec


>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of alyce cresap
>Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 6:08 PM
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>Subject: Re: Jeff
>
>
>Yes, he did recover from the mysterious illness...and it is still a
>mysterious illness! His tests for bacterial agents came back negative.
>Thankfully, he's back home and feeling fine. Thanks for asking.
>
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>> If you're reading this, Jeff, please let us know how Doug is.  Did he
>> recover from the mysterious illness?  Was its cause determined?
>> --
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>
>--
>alyce cresap, books & ephemera
>po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
>518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
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>Wake Bonnie up and tell her I'm waiting for her to make her play in Scrabble!
>Betty

I took a full Unisom and slept blissfully through the night, waking only
once for a hot flash and once to feed the cats at sunup.  Fell right back
to sleep both times.  Ahhhhh.  Didn't get up until 9:30.   I just had a
seven letter word and no place to put it. Phooey.

Is the bike for  you?  Why do you need a new one??   Did you remember the
name of the movie?

    --bonniev

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>Well, did you at least see the lesbian kiss on All My Children?
>BB

I saw a still picture of it in the newspaper.  Is that your soap?


    --bonniev

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T. Samant:
>Makes a lot of people really angry.

Angry?  You want to know what I'm PISSED
OFF about?

The unremarked passing of Edgar F. Codd.

That is what *pisses* *me* *off*.

--
Richard        order and repetition are irrelevant

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At 09:10 AM 4/25/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
> >
> > At 04:37 PM 4/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>
> > >My son climbed 30 feet up in a larch when he was three - he was
> > >out playing with other kids, and nobody thought of telling an adult.
> > >They got tired of playing and went home, and luckily he was
> > >dressed in red, so I spotted him.
> > >clo
> >
> > So I don't know what a larch is. I assumed it's a tree but I wanted to see
> > it. I figure google will tell me. There's are lot's of references to
> > "larch" but nothing useful to me.  I could subscribe to larch-l, as it
> > exists but, I figure they're bound to be way less interesting than words-l.
> > They've probably even moved on from 1991. So really, who needs that.
> >
> > lisa
> > ps. the correct search syntax is larch +tree
>
>Larch is... boy it's been a long time since I went to Boy Scout
>camp!
>
>A Larch is a deciduous fir,  I think - sort of piney needles, but
>losing them every fall. More relevant to my son's adventure, it is
>sometimes used in windbreaks and ornamental borders because it's
>relatively reedy - that is to say, thin and narrow, with branches
>a 3-yr old could climb, but not the adult who needs to go up after
>him.

The thought of a three year old up one of those trees does sound alarming.

Betty

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At 10:09 AM 4/25/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>Wake Bonnie up and tell her I'm waiting for her to make her play in Scrabble!
>>Betty
>
>I took a full Unisom and slept blissfully through the night, waking only
>once for a hot flash and once to feed the cats at sunup.  Fell right back
>to sleep both times.  Ahhhhh.  Didn't get up until 9:30.   I just had a
>seven letter word and no place to put it. Phooey.
>
>Is the bike for  you?  Why do you need a new one??   Did you remember the
>name of the movie?

Bike is for Ryan's birthday.

Larry can't remember the name either.

Betty

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Betty wrote:
>
> At 09:10 AM 4/25/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >lisa alfieri wrote:
> > >
> > > At 04:37 PM 4/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> > > >My son climbed 30 feet up in a larch when he was three - he was
> > > >out playing with other kids, and nobody thought of telling an adult.
> > > >They got tired of playing and went home, and luckily he was
> > > >dressed in red, so I spotted him.
> > > >clo
> > >
> > > So I don't know what a larch is. I assumed it's a tree but I wanted to see
> > > it. I figure google will tell me. There's are lot's of references to
> > > "larch" but nothing useful to me.  I could subscribe to larch-l, as it
> > > exists but, I figure they're bound to be way less interesting than words-l.
> > > They've probably even moved on from 1991. So really, who needs that.
> > >
> > > lisa
> > > ps. the correct search syntax is larch +tree
> >
> >Larch is... boy it's been a long time since I went to Boy Scout
> >camp!
> >
> >A Larch is a deciduous fir,  I think - sort of piney needles, but
> >losing them every fall. More relevant to my son's adventure, it is
> >sometimes used in windbreaks and ornamental borders because it's
> >relatively reedy - that is to say, thin and narrow, with branches
> >a 3-yr old could climb, but not the adult who needs to go up after
> >him.
>
> The thought of a three year old up one of those trees does sound alarming.
>
> Betty

Really, you had to be there to know how bad it was. When he got scared
he kept moving higher, and he was in the very top swaying in the breeze.
If you've seen my picture, you know I ain't makin' it up there after
him.

What really pissed me off was the neighbor who owned the tree was
standing
in the yard talking to a friend and never noticed this happening.

clo
I got the dentist from down the street to climb a ladder and

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At 10:14 AM 4/25/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>Well, did you at least see the lesbian kiss on All My Children?
>>BB
>
>I saw a still picture of it in the newspaper.  Is that your soap?

I tape it. Does that make it mine?

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At 07:23 AM 4/25/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:

>Larry can't remember the name either.

Do you remember where it is being shown?  And when?  Maybe you ought not go
to China.  ;-->

cwv

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Friday, April 25, 2003, 9:04:03 AM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> Alex met his demise after Rob Cesternino, the
> 24-year-old computer projects coordinator from Wantagh, New York, switched
> his allegiance and conspired to vote Alex out of the tribe.

I think Rob must be a good project manager.

Karen

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>>I saw a still picture of it in the newspaper.  Is that your soap?
>
>I tape it. Does that make it mine?

Yes.


    --bonniev

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At 10:26 AM 4/25/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 07:23 AM 4/25/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>
>>Larry can't remember the name either.
>
>Do you remember where it is being shown?  And when?  Maybe you ought not go
>to China.  ;-->

Why are names important?  I don't remember names and I won't remember who
was in it.

Betty

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hit send too soon -
> >
> > The thought of a three year old up one of those trees does sound alarming.
> >
> > Betty
>
> Really, you had to be there to know how bad it was. When he got scared
> he kept moving higher, and he was in the very top swaying in the breeze.
> If you've seen my picture, you know I ain't makin' it up there after
> him.
>
> What really pissed me off was the neighbor who owned the tree was
> standing
> in the yard talking to a friend and never noticed this happening.
>

> I got the dentist from down the street to climb a ladder and talk
him down in the end. Aaron was ticked that it took me so long to work
out where he was, but otherwise fine.

clo

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I have been receiving the same two emails from a colleague of mine
since February of last year, at irregular intervals.

Nothing in the header reveals that it was originally sent and
received back then, and I am tired of deleting them. I have received
them at least once a month for over a year.

Why/how does this happen, and can I make it stop?

here are the headers:

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Confidence

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At 10:43 AM 4/25/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>hit send too soon -
> > >
> > > The thought of a three year old up one of those trees does sound
> alarming.
> > >
> > > Betty
> >
> > Really, you had to be there to know how bad it was. When he got scared
> > he kept moving higher, and he was in the very top swaying in the breeze.
> > If you've seen my picture, you know I ain't makin' it up there after
> > him.
> >
> > What really pissed me off was the neighbor who owned the tree was
> > standing
> > in the yard talking to a friend and never noticed this happening.
> >
>
> > I got the dentist from down the street to climb a ladder and talk
>him down in the end. Aaron was ticked that it took me so long to work
>out where he was, but otherwise fine.

Scary.  Ryan, about age 2, jumped out of a boat once because he panicked.
He was jumping towards his father who was a long way away. Never saw him
swim so fast in such cold water.

Betty

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What do you think we should do?

> Adam,
>   Karen and I were planning to send Alyce flowers and a
> message from her
>   ETs for her birthday Sunday.  Unfortunately, I only have
> her PO Box address and
> they won't deliver without the street address.  Is there a
> chance that we
> could work it out for you to be the bearer of flowers and message?

Yeah, sure, that'd be fine, but there is the significant possibility that
Alyce or Jeff will call me Sunday morning and say not to go, and I'd hate
for her to not get her flowers because of that.

She lives on Rural Route 8. Sorry I don't have an exact number. I can get
it, though, if that's not good enough - I have no qualms about calling
Alyce and asking for it. :D

--Adam

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oops
This should have backchannel to Karen
I feel stupid





> What do you think we should do?
>
> > Adam,
> >   Karen and I were planning to send Alyce flowers and a
> > message from her
> >   ETs for her birthday Sunday.  Unfortunately, I only have
> > her PO Box address and
> > they won't deliver without the street address.  Is there a
> > chance that we
> > could work it out for you to be the bearer of flowers and message?
>
> Yeah, sure, that'd be fine, but there is the significant possibility that
> Alyce or Jeff will call me Sunday morning and say not to go, and I'd hate
> for her to not get her flowers because of that.
>
> She lives on Rural Route 8. Sorry I don't have an exact number. I can get
> it, though, if that's not good enough - I have no qualms about calling
> Alyce and asking for it. :D
>
> --Adam

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Well, I think we all want to do something.  That's okay.

Betty

At 10:57 AM 4/25/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>oops
>This should have backchannel to Karen
>I feel stupid
>
>
>
>
>
> > What do you think we should do?
> >
> > > Adam,
> > >   Karen and I were planning to send Alyce flowers and a
> > > message from her
> > >   ETs for her birthday Sunday.  Unfortunately, I only have
> > > her PO Box address and
> > > they won't deliver without the street address.  Is there a
> > > chance that we
> > > could work it out for you to be the bearer of flowers and message?
> >
> > Yeah, sure, that'd be fine, but there is the significant possibility that
> > Alyce or Jeff will call me Sunday morning and say not to go, and I'd hate
> > for her to not get her flowers because of that.
> >
> > She lives on Rural Route 8. Sorry I don't have an exact number. I can get
> > it, though, if that's not good enough - I have no qualms about calling
> > Alyce and asking for it. :D
> >
> > --Adam

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I have Alyce's street address for any who might need it.

>Well, I think we all want to do something.  That's okay.
>Betty

    --bonniev

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At 11:15 AM 4/25/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
>= On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>=
>= > > Let's go back to this. I got stuck in a hanger once, and I'd like
>= > > to hear from someone who has similar propensities. Why did you put
>= > > your head there?
>= >
>= > Just goofing around, I have no better explanation.  Being silly with my
>= > friend Susi, in some parking lot outside an ice cream place.
>= >
>=
>= And yet, I sense the right narrative could make the tale enjoyable for
>= several pages.
>=
>= > And you, in the hanger?
>=
>= That is a long story, and not explainable without my 17th birthday party,
>= my first caving trip, and my uncles roaring around the Thanksgiving dinner
>= table while my father said drily, "I see that the money we are investing
>= in your college education is not being wasted".
>=
>= Mayhap at AcadiaFest?
>= clo
>
>Doesn't somebody else have a story that goes pretty much along
>these lines?  Uncles, wasted college education, etc.

Yes but it's not at all interesting.

lisa

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> lisa alfieri wrote:
>
>> So I don't know what a larch is.
>
>     Its slide number one.
>     (Don't mind me - I just haven't been cryptic for a while.)
>
> JMW

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At 06:52 AM 4/25/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>At 09:42 AM 4/25/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>>At 06:25 AM 4/25/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>>
>>>Are you starting to watch the BB playoffs yet, Clyde?  I can't seem to stay
>>>awake until the end so I have to check results in the morning to see who
>>>won.
>>
>>They played those---Syracuse (men) and Connecticut (women) won.  Oh---you
>>mean the rock-concert version of the sport?  No.
>>
>>cwv
>
>Well, did you at least see the lesbian kiss on All My Children?
>
>BB

We happened to be at Tina's parent's the day it was aired. Her
mother  asked that we not show her our version.

As if..

lisa

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> > lisa alfieri wrote:
> >
> >> So I don't know what a larch is.
> >
> >     Its slide number one.
> >     (Don't mind me - I just haven't been cryptic for a while.)
> >
> > JMW


With an emphasis on "It's" and then a pause.

BrP

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> >Well, did you at least see the lesbian kiss on All My Children?
> >
> >BB
>
> We happened to be at Tina's parent's the day it was aired. Her
> mother  asked that we not show her our version.
>
> As if..
>
> lisa

LOL!

at least your version wouldn't have commercial breaks

BrP

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>I have to decide today whether to vote for our China trip to be scheduled
>this coming January or to cancel all together.


>I recently decided that I am definitely going to Sydney in July.


>Bethany

And this has WHAT to do with the price of tea in China ... ?

:).

AS

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty
>Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 7:32 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>At 06:18 PM 4/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>>
>> > Well, it <might> be visible at
>> > <http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/alyceshirt.jpg>
>>
>>Good picture!
>
>You missed a good one. The best fireworks display ever. Alec could have
>feasted on your boobs, too.
>
>Betty
>

Betty,

You know I only want your boobs.


alec

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At 09:12 AM 4/25/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:
>T. Samant:
> >Makes a lot of people really angry.
>
>Angry?  You want to know what I'm PISSED
>OFF about?
>
>The unremarked passing of Edgar F. Codd.
>
>That is what *pisses* *me* *off*.
>
>--
>Richard        order and repetition are irrelevant

I was going to write my response in SQL but I just realized it's been so
long since I've used it, I can't remember any of it.

No loss though as I'm sure anything I would have come up with would have
made Codd turn in his grave.

lisa

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At 08:15 AM 4/25/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Well, I think we all want to do something.  That's okay.
>
>Betty

I know she likes Greenpeace as a Charity.

http://www.greenpeaceusa.org/

lisa

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I have a larch tree in my yard - in fact my deck is built around it.  It looks like an
evergreen (i.e. it has needles not leaves) but loses its needles every fall and grows
new ones in the spring.  It has a very soft and feathery look.

BrP




> So I don't know what a larch is. I assumed it's a tree but I wanted to see
> it. I figure google will tell me. There's are lot's of references to
> "larch" but nothing useful to me.  I could subscribe to larch-l, as it
> exists but, I figure they're bound to be way less interesting than words-l.
> They've probably even moved on from 1991. So really, who needs that.
>
> lisa
> ps. the correct search syntax is larch +tree

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> just two of you.  Nothing overwhelming.  Just two staunch Wordslers
> conveying all of our love to her.

We're going to eat hot fudge sundaes.

Marie

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Thanks Alyce. Your package came and was hand delivered to my door.

 I'll refuse to grow up and use your gift to release stress and to beat
up my imagined foes.  Better to flip the paddle than to flap my lips.

--
Sly
who has evidence that Toys R Alyce

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, again, all around wrote:

> T. Samant:
> >Makes a lot of people really angry.
>
> Angry?  You want to know what I'm PISSED
> OFF about?
>
> The unremarked passing of Edgar F. Codd.
>
> That is what *pisses* *me* *off*.
>

A man who shaped my world; I am sorry to hear that
his passsing was unremarked. Did you know him
personally?

clo

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> On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>
> >And this has WHAT to do with the price of tea in China ... ?
>
> Oops, I forgot that SARS is the name of a tea brand.
>
> Bethany

I wonder how the South Africa Revenue Service feels about all of this

BrP

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That would be totally cool!  I don't do well at keeping things alive.

Betty

At 01:22 PM 4/25/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
>I've decided to see if I can find a plant out in Alyce's yard that I can
>move to mine Sunday. If I'm allowed.
>
>Marie
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET>
>Date: Friday, April 25, 2003 0:29 am
>Subject: Re: For Alyce
>
> > Sylvia, thanks for your kind words and thoughts. Alyce has read
> > the note
> > about your garden and says she is honored to have her name attached.
> > Quote, "I have high expectations for many fine blooms!"
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > --
> > alyce cresap, books & ephemera
> > po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
> > 518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
> > http://www.alybooks.com
> > charter member: IOBA
> > independent on-line booksellers association
> > selling books since 1963
> >

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:

> At 10:43 AM 4/25/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >hit send too soon -
> > > >
> > > > The thought of a three year old up one of those trees does sound
> > alarming.
> > > >
> > > > Betty
>
> Scary.  Ryan, about age 2, jumped out of a boat once because he panicked.
> He was jumping towards his father who was a long way away. Never saw him
> swim so fast in such cold water.
>
> Betty
>
k
This would terrify me even more, I think - I feel quite helpless about
water.
clo

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At 01:21 PM 4/25/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>At 08:15 AM 4/25/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>>Well, I think we all want to do something.  That's okay.
>>
>>Betty
>
>I know she likes Greenpeace as a Charity.
>
>http://www.greenpeaceusa.org/
>
>lisa

Good idea.

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:

>I have to decide today whether to vote for our China trip to be scheduled
>this coming January or to cancel all together.

I recently decided that I am definitely going to Sydney in July.

Bethany

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Amy Burns Short wrote:

>And this has WHAT to do with the price of tea in China ... ?

Oops, I forgot that SARS is the name of a tea brand.

Bethany

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, John Williams wrote:

> > lisa alfieri wrote:
> >
> >> So I don't know what a larch is.
> >
> >     Its slide number one.
> >     (Don't mind me - I just haven't been cryptic for a while.)
> >
> > JMW
>

an incredible deja vu

Took me a minute to place the voice.
clo

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: English Language Discussion Group
> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty
> >Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 7:32 PM
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: For Alyce[The package with your gift came!]
> >
> >
> >At 06:18 PM 4/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >>Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >>
> >> > Well, it <might> be visible at
> >> > <http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/alyceshirt.jpg>
> >>
> >>Good picture!
> >
> >You missed a good one. The best fireworks display ever. Alec could have
> >feasted on your boobs, too.
> >
> >Betty
> >
>
> Betty,
>
> You know I only want your boobs.
>
>
> alec
>

Do you know, I would never have worked out what you were talking about if
not for this?

Alec, Alec, first my moustache, now my boobs you are dissing?
where's the love?
clo

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Friday, April 25, 2003, 12:29:16 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, John Williams wrote:

>> > lisa alfieri wrote:
>> >
>> >> So I don't know what a larch is.
>> >
>> >     Its slide number one.
>> >     (Don't mind me - I just haven't been cryptic for a while.)
>> >
>> > JMW
>>

> an incredible deja vu

> Took me a minute to place the voice.

Who?

Karen

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I don't think they'd look good on you Alec

BrP



>
> Betty,
>
> You know I only want your boobs.
>
>
> alec

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> Friday, April 25, 2003, 12:29:16 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, John Williams wrote:
>
> >> > lisa alfieri wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> So I don't know what a larch is.
> >> >
> >> >     Its slide number one.
> >> >     (Don't mind me - I just haven't been cryptic for a while.)
> >> >
> >> > JMW
> >>
>
> > an incredible deja vu
>
> > Took me a minute to place the voice.
>
> Who?
>
> Karen

hint: "and now for something completely different"

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At 10:11 AM 5/26/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
> > Betty,
> >
> > You know I only want your boobs.
>
>     They sure as hell don't help her swimming.
>
>JMW, PM

Hey, I'm in shape this year.  Terry said there was a pool at her
motel.  Bring your suit.

Betty

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Marie:

>I've decided to see if I can find a plant out in Alyce's yard that I can
>move to mine Sunday. If I'm allowed.

That'd be wonderful. I'm so glad you and Adam will be visiting Alyce on
Sunday.


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Nice picture in the background

;-)

BrP


>
> Well, it <might> be visible at
> <http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/alyceshirt.jpg>
>
> Worth a try.
> clo

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At 10:50 AM 4/25/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>At 10:11 AM 5/26/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
>>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>>
>> > Betty,
>> >
>> > You know I only want your boobs.
>>
>>     They sure as hell don't help her swimming.
>>
>>JMW, PM
>
>Hey, I'm in shape this year.  Terry said there was a pool at her
>motel.  Bring your suit.
>
>Betty


Yeah right! After breakfast at the Hearthside I'm gonna sink the bottom of
the pool like a rock!.

lisa

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Rumor mill's abuzz... please keep your fingers and toes crossed

-rashmi, not liking the looks of this

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bethany K. Dumas
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>On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:
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>>I have to decide today whether to vote for our China trip to
>be scheduled
>>this coming January or to cancel all together.
>
>I recently decided that I am definitely going to Sydney in July.
>
>Bethany
>

Can we take bets on this trip? Like Finland.


alec

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At 05:55 PM 4/25/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Rumor mill's abuzz... please keep your fingers and toes crossed
>
>-rashmi, not liking the looks of this

Which rumor mill is crankin'?

lisa

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>I don't think they'd look good on you Alec
>
>BrP
>
>
>
>>
>> Betty,
>>
>> You know I only want your boobs.
>>
>>
>> alec
>

I already have man boobs, don't need to remove Betty's to enjoy them.


alec

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
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> Nice picture in the background
>
> ;-)
>
> BrP
>
> >
> > Well, it <might> be visible at
> > <http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/alyceshirt.jpg>
> >
> > Worth a try.
> > clo

I thought you might like that!
clo

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Alec:

>Can we take bets on this trip? Like Finland.

snort. Alec, you're evil.


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Lisa :

> >Rumor mill's abuzz... please keep your fingers and toes crossed
>
> >-rashmi, not liking the looks of this

>Which rumor mill is crankin'?

Site closing. Layoffs.

-rashmi


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At 06:14 PM 4/25/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Lisa :
>
>> >Rumor mill's abuzz... please keep your fingers and toes crossed
>>
>> >-rashmi, not liking the looks of this
>
>>Which rumor mill is crankin'?
>
>Site closing. Layoffs.
>
>-rashmi

That's what I thought. Sorry. Good luck!

lisa

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At 06:11 PM 4/25/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Alec:
>
>>Can we take bets on this trip? Like Finland.
>
>snort. Alec, you're evil.

Does that make him a twin?

lisa

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> Alyce Cresap wrote:
>
> > Glad you like it. I guess I would call it turquoise blue, too. Now you
> > are truly one of us!

:-)

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> This was Alyce herself, right!

Another :-)

Kristin

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU
>Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 1:30 PM
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>
>
>On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: English Language Discussion Group
>> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty
>> >Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 7:32 PM
>> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> >Subject: Re: For Alyce[The package with your gift came!]
>> >
>> >
>> >At 06:18 PM 4/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> >>Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Well, it <might> be visible at
>> >> > <http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/alyceshirt.jpg>
>> >>
>> >>Good picture!
>> >
>> >You missed a good one. The best fireworks display ever.
>Alec could have
>> >feasted on your boobs, too.
>> >
>> >Betty
>> >
>>
>> Betty,
>>
>> You know I only want your boobs.
>>
>>
>> alec
>>
>
>Do you know, I would never have worked out what you were
>talking about if
>not for this?
>
>Alec, Alec, first my moustache, now my boobs you are dissing?
>where's the love?
>clo
>

Trust me, I would never diss a boob. I like them bigger then smaller.


alec

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rashmi Murthy
>Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 2:15 PM
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>
>
>Lisa :
>
>> >Rumor mill's abuzz... please keep your fingers and toes crossed
>>
>> >-rashmi, not liking the looks of this
>
>>Which rumor mill is crankin'?
>
>Site closing. Layoffs.
>
>-rashmi
>
>

Time to update your resume.

alec

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
> Trust me, I would never diss a boob.
>I like them bigger then smaller.
>
> alec

? Expanding and contracting?

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> "Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
> >
> > Trust me, I would never diss a boob.
> >I like them bigger then smaller.
> >
> > alec
>
> ? Expanding and contracting?

I have a friend who is working on final stages of a novel, ostensibly
a tale of biologists working in a central American field station.
It's one of those books in which each person tells a story about
themselves, inside a loose plot. As it happens, breast cancer,
reconstructive surgery, mammalian mountain ranges, and an abandoned
infant spider monkey being kept warm by living inside a woman's
blouse. He swears it's coincidence; I say if he were an ass man,
the plot would be entirely different.

I predict Alec would like this book.

clo

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: English Language Discussion Group
> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Carolyn Ostrander
> >Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 2:39 PM
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> >
> >
> >"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
> >>
> >> Trust me, I would never diss a boob.
> >>I like them bigger then smaller.
> >>
> >> alec
> >
> >? Expanding and contracting?
> >
> More then a mouthful or 34B and bigger.
>
> alec

*sigh*
explicitly, Ritalishly not Nataliemously:
I think you mean "than", not then.

clo

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> Lisa :
>
> > >Rumor mill's abuzz... please keep your fingers and toes crossed
> >
> > >-rashmi, not liking the looks of this
>
> >Which rumor mill is crankin'?
>
> Site closing. Layoffs.
>
> -rashmi

hard to avoid nausiating platitudes at a time like this.

still, I'm telegraphing my best thoughts.

Sandra

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Last week and a bit earlier I browsed alybooks lists quite thoroughly.
For I was sure there is something I'd like to have. I had browsed the
site earlier as well but then I couldn't decide. Last week I made a list
for myself of books that might interest me more, and also, that I could
afford. There are several. (Once lately I thought I'd be happy if I
could buy books for 1000 kroons every  month (it is about $66), the
average would be three or, rather, four books (it depends, of course, on
what kind of books).

But then I hesitated about speaking of it, for I guess neither Alyce or
her sons could not deal with selling them. And it seemed crazy to send
my wish for ordering them from alybooks.com at the time. Now I thought
it'd be better if I talk about it here. Just in case. If the selling of
the books will be arranged differently, I can buy them later via that
would-be new system.

>> Something special you want to do with the money?
>>
>Yes, I'd like to leave it to my children.
>
>alyce

It is a right thing not to just donate them without even knowing whether
anybody will care for them.

Kristin

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Carolyn Ostrander
>Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 2:47 PM
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>Subject: Re: For Alyce[The package with your gift came!]
>
>
>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: English Language Discussion Group
>> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Carolyn Ostrander
>> >Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 2:39 PM
>> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> >Subject: Re: For Alyce[The package with your gift came!]
>> >
>> >
>> >"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Trust me, I would never diss a boob.
>> >>I like them bigger then smaller.
>> >>
>> >> alec
>> >
>> >? Expanding and contracting?
>> >
>> More then a mouthful or 34B and bigger.
>>
>> alec
>
>*sigh*
>explicitly, Ritalishly not Nataliemously:
>I think you mean "than", not then.
>
>clo
>

Yeah, I never said I could write. I don't well and I know it.


alec

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Thursday, April 24, 2003, 5:25:04 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > Kirsten, do I understand you correctly?
>
> Kristin.
>
> > Isn't discourse fascinating?
>
> Yes.

Hi, Karen. I wanted to say hi to you before I dive into this fascinating
discourse and try to say something that would make sense -- a naive hope
in this thread maybe but I have about an hour left to read and answer.
Let's see.

Kristin

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I'll start reading them in the order they came in yesterday and deliberately will not
read all of them before answering each, or the ones that need (<gollum!>) answering.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > Often it is pure fun to read these discussions for it seems that, Natalie, you
> > are aware of the shift from the main point.
>
> Yes, almost all of our threads move that way -- shifting from discussing
> main points, especially if they're obvious or seem to be finished or
> whatever, to discussing minor points or even associations.

That was not my point. I tried to say that you shift from the main (as it'd seem to
most(?) readers) point of just one statement. Like if I said, 'I guess I'd like to have
a glass of milk' then my main point was [that I thought of] drinking milk though maybe
I am only yet half on my way to the refrigerator. You may develop a long discussion on
either the theme of my guessing it or my liking to have it. However, I only was verbose
when expressing my simple wish.

> > However, the sticking to a, so to say, wrong phrase (i.e. it may seem wrong to
> > the others) is extremely logical, too, at least sometimes. I guess, most of us do
> > not think in as logical terms as that -- or we/they do, but when reading research
> > articles, not words'l messages. Bonnie's example about the whorish dress must
> > serve well to illustrate the case.
>
> To illustrate which case?

Exactly what I said in two sentences just before the sentence starting with "Bonnie" in
the paragraph quoted.

Plus: exactly  the point I tried to make once more in my previous passage of this very
message.

>   I do speak up if I realize that somebody has misinterpreted
> something I've said.  I try to clarify.  But the whorish-dress thing
> isn't an example of that.  I've never claimed that's not what I meant to
> say.

> > > > > Natalie will say "I found it so curious that Amy would come to the
> > > > > gathering dressed like a slut."  And when you call her on it, Natalie goes
> > > > > all "I was just saying I found it curious."

Now the question remains whether you said you had found it curious, or whether you said
that she had a whorish dress on. Curious enough, you thought you said the former,
everybody else thought you said the latter.

> I didn't get Bonnie's "Natalie
> goes all"

I'm not going into how Bonnie gave the example *here*, or how it should be interpreted.
That'd make things too complex: there would be too many meta-languages.

Kristin

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > It was definitely <wrong> to label someone stupid and not logical at all to
> > continue the tirade and keep using the term. She ended up sounding stupid, imo.
>
> What are we talking about?  I have never called Doris stupid.  She is
> far, far from stupid.

I misunderstood Betty, too. She talked about what you had said about Sylvia.

Kristin

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > Betty Clark wrote:
> >
> > > It was definitely <wrong> to label someone stupid and not logical at all to
> > > continue the tirade and keep using the term. She ended up sounding stupid, imo.
> >
> > What are we talking about?  I have never called Doris stupid.  She is
> > far, far from stupid.
> >
>
> Most people can't feel the difference between calling someone stupid
> and calling something someone has said "a stupidity".

Eerm... yep. I read once more some messages, searching messages matching  some words in
the thread. Saying that somebody has stupid views is more close to saying that the
person is stupid than saying "I find it quite stupid for you to see caring about one's
country and speaking out as "dissing." as Natalie did. The latter is not an offence,
the former is.

The reason I came back to this delicate subject was that one the one hand I feel the
need to apologize for my example I gave yesterday to show that Natalie

>ended up quite wise,
 >Perhaps the impression came from:

>>some of the cartoons I've seen of a gag
>>over the mouth of the Statue of Liberty with captions like "Shut up!
>>Don't Think!  Don't Speak!"  Doris is not like that at all.

The example was bad because it was the moment when the before increasing tension had
started to fade out, and I was not attentive enough to see a new tension rising. So,
I'd like to apologize for giving an example that referred to Sylvia who had just got
hurt.

Hmm. Am I making a mess? Well, there is the "delete"-knob for everybody tired of
reading it.

For I'm afraid I'll go on with it.

Kristin

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Meanwhile (before going on with the Found-Money-thread) I cannot but say
something about the subject of being for or against one's country. I
tried to adapt the expressions of you all so that I could think of them
as said by members of the nation of my country. To feel the problem more
personally and understand better.

None of the most expressive utterances (except Theo -- who should be
worried about) in the list have not been against the US. There's nothing
dis- or contra-American in them. I find it only normal if a person is
worried for what happens to, and in his/her country, and for what steps
the government will take.

When listening to either the criticism of, or whining about, the country
and the government here, in Estonia, there is a clear line for me
usually. Some people only whine and care for next to nothing ecxept
their closest needs, others are constructively critical, and try to see
the forest behind the trees. The latter may be angry or not angry, they
may criticize very much or rather little, but their aim is improving
things, not whining.

And there's nothing wrong with those who find much less to criticize. I
do not know to which group I may belong, certainly not among constant
whiners. It seems I approve of the deeds of our government more often
than many, one reason being that it seems to me they often know better
(just what Doris has said sometimes, have you, Doris?)

But as there was much talk about Natalie's view's against what the
administration does, I absolutely do *not* agree with the thoughts as if
she was against the USA.

Kristin

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Can somebody tell me what the comment by Matt (I think it was Matt) was
referring to re the letters from home when he said that Jenna hadn't
been fair?  A friend and I were discussing it at lunch today, both of us
frustrated by the stupid weatherperson on tv who cut into that part,
making us not see how Jenna and Christy ended up being the two with
letters and why Matt (or somebody) said that Jenna had been unfair (or
maybe it was selfish).

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> >  I started trying to find out the secret of Natalie's way of arguing.
> > I've been curious about it for long. I do not think I've found the answer.
>
> Weird.  I've never thought of having an arguing <style>.

Not style. The secret of the way you analyse before you start arguing? The secret
of your way of thought as to reading written text and taking down your own? I do
not know how I should formulate it.

>  But then
> Words-L is the only place I have what might be called arguments.  The
> discussions in my ftf life tend to be way calm compared to the
> discussions here.  And in my department I'm considered the
> feather-smoother, peace-maker, moderater between factions, etc.  I'm one
> of two people in the department who are said to get along with
> everybody, which means the two of us have often had to take on tasks we
> might have preferred not to.

I readily believe it. Though <giggle> if your way of analysing sentences is the
same as it is sometimes here (the one I'm trying to find out here) the word
"readily" seems to be an exaggeration. But still I believe you.

Kristin

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> >I have to decide today whether to vote for our China trip to be scheduled
> >this coming January or to cancel all together.
>
> I recently decided that I am definitely going to Sydney in July.

SARS is not yet a problem in Australia, is it?  Do you think it's going
to become one there before July -- as in more risk being there than
being here?

Japan is worrying about it.  So far there are no cases, but they are
worrying for various reasons, including the fact that Japanese who've
been living in China are beginning to come home because of their worry
about SARS and desire for Japanese rather than Chinese medical care if
they should get sick.  Also (not from the Daily Yomiuri article I was
reading early this morning -- just my own thoughts), when you think
about how many passengers change planes at Narita when coming and going
to SARS-ridden places, you'd have to worry.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Kirsten, do I understand you correctly?

Yes, Clo. (K-r-i-s-t-i-n)

> Isn't discourse fascinating?

:-) Hazardous, too. I got addicted and will go home later today.

Kristin

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> I wonder how the South Africa Revenue Service feels about all of this

I met a very nice South African physicist at lunch today.  Suddenly our
table is weighed down with physicists, but they're all nice.  The South
African works here all the time -- as in he's an MSU employee, doing
100% research, not teaching.  Somehow he had hooked up with the Russian
and the Norwegian, who brought him to lunch today -- or rather the
Russian did -- the Norwegian is leaving today for a meeting in Paris.
Another regular MSU employee, who teaches nuclear physics, came with
them.  He moved here from China about ten years ago.  And also with us
today, as well as most days this week, was a young man who works in
Amsterdam -- teaches at some kind of techy school that he says is
jokingly referred to as Phillips University since it trains people for
them.  He's a Mississippi native and is thinking about moving back her
to work at the ERC (Engineering Research Center).  He's not a
physicist.  He's something like a computer engineer.  His fiance, who is
from Spain but has been working in Amsterdam -- and was in Hong Kong on
business when SARS first got there, is with him to check out life here.

It's for reasons like this that I love living in a college town -- the
coming and going of interesting people from various parts of the world.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> Rumor mill's abuzz... please keep your fingers and toes crossed
>
> -rashmi, not liking the looks of this

They're crossed.  One of my lunch friends was saying today that his son,
who works for Sears in Chicago, is worried -- that next Wednesday
something like 1200 of the 5000 people who work in his building are
going to be gotten rid of.

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        Anti-administration: <insert politician here> is an idiot and should be
impeached or not reelected.  <insert law here> should be repealed.  Current
policies need to be changed.

        Anti-American: We should have a revolution.  Our form of government should
change.  <insert foreign power here> should invade and take over America.

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We learned earlier in the show that Jenna had a special need to have a
letter from home because her mother has brain cancer.  Jenna is an only
child, very close to her parents, and told the camera how much she misses
and worries about her mother.  There was some sympathy for Jenna that
Christy bid the highest and got the letter from home.   There was only to
be one person who would get a letter from home.  But when Jenna lost the
bid, she broke down crying.  There was a long ugly silence and then Jeff
said that, if it was o.k. with Christy, he would put up another letter for
bid.  Jenna got that one because Heidi helped her with the money to
bid.   I guess Matt thought that Jenna should not have made a stink that
she "deserved" the letter more than any one else.

>Can somebody tell me what the comment by Matt (I think it was Matt) was
>referring to re the letters from home when he said that Jenna hadn't
>been fair?  A friend and I were discussing it at lunch today, both of us
>frustrated by the stupid weatherperson on tv who cut into that part,
>making us not see how Jenna and Christy ended up being the two with
>letters and why Matt (or somebody) said that Jenna had been unfair (or
>maybe it was selfish).
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

    --bonniev

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> > Yes, almost all of our threads move that way -- shifting from discussing
> > main points, especially if they're obvious or seem to be finished or
> > whatever, to discussing minor points or even associations.
>
> That was not my point. I tried to say that you shift from the main (as it'd seem to
> most(?) readers) point of just one statement. Like if I said, 'I guess I'd like to have
> a glass of milk' then my main point was [that I thought of] drinking milk though maybe
> I am only yet half on my way to the refrigerator. You may develop a long discussion on
> either the theme of my guessing it or my liking to have it. However, I only was verbose
> when expressing my simple wish.

Oh yes.  I readily admit that I do that kind of thing.  I am sometimes
more interested in the side points than in the main points and jump in
with discussions of them.  Is that bad (bad in general conversation like
Words-L, I mean -- obviously it wouldn't be a good thing to do in some
kinds of work settings)?

> > > > > > Natalie will say "I found it so curious that Amy would come to the
> > > > > > gathering dressed like a slut."  And when you call her on it, Natalie goes
> > > > > > all "I was just saying I found it curious."
>
> Now the question remains whether you said you had found it curious, or whether you said
> that she had a whorish dress on. Curious enough, you thought you said the former,
> everybody else thought you said the latter.

I don't remember what I said, except that it talked about the whorish
dress.  I do think something about the setting was involved -- as in I
might have said something about its being odd (or curious) to me to wear
a whore outfit to a picnic-type event.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> We're talking now in what I think are <hypothetics> since I'm not
> convinced that I actually said "I was just saying I found it curious."

Hmm. A moment ago I was sure that this time I'll go far with my analysis of your way of
analysis, but I'm afraid my limits are soon here. For though I'm almost convinced you said
so, it actually *is* hypothetical.

> Huh?  What Bonnie seemed to be suggesting (and I perhaps misinterpreted)
> was that I was somehow pretending to not have intended the "dressed like
> a whore" as an insult.  Of course I did.

You did intend it? If my knowledge of the language, and its grammar, don't fail me here
then it is my brains that do it.

I go on reading and see what more if anything I am able to say on this subject.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> But as there was much talk about Natalie's view's against what the
> administration does, I absolutely do *not* agree with the thoughts as if
> she was against the USA.

Thank you.  It's not just that I find that kind of thinking insulting to
me personally, though I do.  I find it scary in general.  The last
sentence in a Newsweek editorial (by Anna Quindlen) I read recently says
it very well:  "In a democratic society, the only treason is silence."
Well, I'm not sure I would say it quite that way.  I would say that
silence is treason -- that not speaking up is not participating in
democracy and is <dis> the country and its principles.

Here's more of the end of what she wrote:  "If, in the shadow of the
unilateralist power niche the United States will occupy in the
foreseeable future, its citizens are pressured by their government,
their communities and their neighbors to speak with one cautious voice,
we will have saved Iraq and damned ourselves."

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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        Larch is the abortionist in that John Irving novel.  In any
case, Ana is always up in my trees.  I have no idea how
we've escaped the emergency room all this time.   At 17
months, she went over a chain link fence.

lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 04:37 PM 4/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> My stbex sent me a bunch of hilarious pictures of kids where
>> they shouldn't be, under the heading "Why Men Shouldn't babysit"
>> today.
>>
>> Unfortunately, they were nearly all things kids I was watching
>> had done (like painting the baby with magic markers while it
>> slept - well, in my case it was a babydoll, but still), so I couldn't
>> feel all womanly smug.
>>
>> My son climbed 30 feet up in a larch when he was three - he was
>> out playing with other kids, and nobody thought of telling an adult.
>> They got tired of playing and went home, and luckily he was
>> dressed in red, so I spotted him.
>> clo
>
>
>
> So I don't know what a larch is. I assumed it's a tree but I wanted to see
> it. I figure google will tell me. There's are lot's of references to
> "larch" but nothing useful to me.  I could subscribe to larch-l, as it
> exists but, I figure they're bound to be way less interesting than words-l.
> They've probably even moved on from 1991. So really, who needs that.
>
> lisa
> ps. the correct search syntax is larch +tree
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Friday, April 25, 2003, 2:37:29 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Yo, Richard, check out today's Google logo.

They must be anti-liberal arts, that's why they didn't celebrate
Will's BD.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> So I will be more explicit, to ward off those accusations:  I was
> shocked at what Doris said when she said that about being "on another's
> side" instead of "on our side" because I don't think of Doris as a
> cliche of any kind.  I think of Doris as intelligent, thinking,
> knowledgeable, and fair-minded.  Otoh, I was not the least bit surprised
> when Sylvia launched into another of her postings about how I was
> dis-America or un-America or whatever since I find Sylvia a cliche.
> Doris and I disagree about many things re politics and the world
> situation, yet I never feel that she wants to kick me out of the country
> or that she does not recognize the importance of examining issues and
> discussing them.  Sylvia is, as I said the other night I think, the
> embodiment to me of those cartoons of the gagged Statue of Liberty.

I only answer this because everyone knows I'm reading, and I'm already involved in it
all.

The only answer is that although sometimes in my life, but not very often, I have been
able to act as a peace-maker, too, here I feel powerless.

Kristin

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > You may develop a long discussion on
> > either the theme of my guessing it or my liking to have it. However, I only was >verbose
> when expressing my simple wish.
>
> Oh yes.  I readily admit that I do that kind of thing.  I am sometimes
> more interested in the side points than in the main points and jump in
> with discussions of them.  Is that bad (bad in general conversation like
> Words-L, I mean -- obviously it wouldn't be a good thing to do in some
> kinds of work settings)?

It *is* Words-l, at least when you're attending :)

And may I express my joy, somewhat triumphantly, I must admit ;-) over what you admitted as
you said in the first row of the passage quoted. In my opinion, btw, for the first time. But
I may be wrong.

Kristin

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Friday, April 25, 2003, 3:40:54 PM, bonniev wrote:
> We learned earlier in the show that Jenna had a special need to have a
> letter from home because her mother has brain cancer.  Jenna is an only
> child, very close to her parents, and told the camera how much she misses
> and worries about her mother.  There was some sympathy for Jenna that
> Christy bid the highest and got the letter from home.   There was only to
> be one person who would get a letter from home.  But when Jenna lost the
> bid, she broke down crying.  There was a long ugly silence and then Jeff
> said that, if it was o.k. with Christy, he would put up another letter for
> bid.  Jenna got that one because Heidi helped her with the money to
> bid.   I guess Matt thought that Jenna should not have made a stink that
> she "deserved" the letter more than any one else.

He thought that Christy deserved it more because she is more cut off
than Jenna. Also, he may have forgotten about her Mom; I did. She
spent all her money on peanut butter and chocolate, Christy saved her
money; I had no sympathy for Jenna and thought her crying just
indicated how spoiled she was.

Karen

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Friday, April 25, 2003, 1:55:36 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Hi, Karen. I wanted to say hi to you before I dive into this fascinating
> discourse and try to say something that would make sense -- a naive hope
> in this thread maybe but I have about an hour left to read and answer.
> Let's see.

Hey, Kristin. A valiant attempt.:)

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > before I dive into this fascinating
> > discourse and try to say something that would make sense -- a naive hope
> > in this thread maybe

> Hey, Kristin. A valiant attempt.:)

I didn't reach far but I guess I've finished now and am quite content. I did
what I could. :)

Kristin

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steph wrote:

> = today, as well as most days this week, was a young man who works in
> = Amsterdam -- teaches at some kind of techy school that he says is
> = jokingly referred to as Phillips University since it trains people for
>
> Nah.  That would be TUE.  I wonder what he's really talking about.

What does TUE stand for?  He said the name of the school, but I can't
produce it.  I say he teaches there, but actually he may be 100%
research.  That's what he would be if he comes here to work in the ERC.
And I guess it's Amsterdam.  He said he likes that KLM flight from
Amsterdam to Memphis for coming home but that the customs people are
always very picky with young males arriving from Amsterdam.  So that's
why I have Amsterdam stuck in my head.  When he was first introduced to
our group early in the week, I think it was said that he lives in The
Netherlands, not specifically Amsterdam.

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Natalie Maynor:
= "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
=
= > I wonder how the South Africa Revenue Service feels about all of this
=
= I met a very nice South African physicist at lunch today.  Suddenly our
= table is weighed down with physicists, but they're all nice.  The South
= African works here all the time -- as in he's an MSU employee, doing
= 100% research, not teaching.  Somehow he had hooked up with the Russian
= and the Norwegian, who brought him to lunch today -- or rather the
= Russian did -- the Norwegian is leaving today for a meeting in Paris.
= Another regular MSU employee, who teaches nuclear physics, came with
= them.  He moved here from China about ten years ago.  And also with us
= today, as well as most days this week, was a young man who works in
= Amsterdam -- teaches at some kind of techy school that he says is
= jokingly referred to as Phillips University since it trains people for

Nah.  That would be TUE.  I wonder what he's really talking about.

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Thanks, Bonnie!  I remember the reference to the brain cancer after she
read the letter, but I had no idea what had happened to make the two of
them the winners.

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John Williams wrote:

> > You know I only want your boobs.
>
>     They sure as hell don't help her swimming.
>
> JMW, PM

Why the date of this message is 26 May???? Both inside the message with
the time 10:11:51, and in my mailbox 20:11, which is alright

Kristin

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At 04:09 PM 4/25/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Friday, April 25, 2003, 2:37:29 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > Yo, Richard, check out today's Google logo.
>
>They must be anti-liberal arts, that's why they didn't celebrate
>Will's BD.

The establishment (or perhaps better, the definition) of the DNA double
helix can be tied to a date.  Will's date of birth is speculative.  Of
course, if anti-liberal arts = pro fact, then, yes.

cwv

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>= > Rumor mill's abuzz... please keep your fingers and toes crossed
>= >
>= > -rashmi, not liking the looks of this
>=
>Well, it would be a bummer about the house if you had to move to Belgium.

Don't know what's going to happen, if that's even going to be a
possibility. We were all blindsided by the rumor-mill. We're sposed
to know next week. Sucks playing another round of will-we-make-it ...

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Kristin Sarv wrote:
> >
> > > You may develop a long discussion on
> > > either the theme of my guessing it or my liking to have it. However, I only was >verbose
> > when expressing my simple wish.
> >
> > Oh yes.  I readily admit that I do that kind of thing.  I am sometimes
> > more interested in the side points than in the main points and jump in
> > with discussions of them.  Is that bad (bad in general conversation like
> > Words-L, I mean -- obviously it wouldn't be a good thing to do in some
> > kinds of work settings)?
>
> It *is* Words-l, at least when you're attending :)
>
> And may I express my joy, somewhat triumphantly, I must admit ;-) over what you admitted as
> you said in the first row of the passage quoted. In my opinion, btw, for the first time. But
> I may be wrong.

I'm not sure what you mean.  My readily admiting that I comment on or
ask questions about side-points in conversations?  I don't remember that
this particular topic has arisen before, has it?  Iow, I'm not sure what
the occasion would have been for me to say that before.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor:
= steph wrote:
=
= > = today, as well as most days this week, was a young man who works in
= > = Amsterdam -- teaches at some kind of techy school that he says is
= > = jokingly referred to as Phillips University since it trains people for
= >
= > Nah.  That would be TUE.  I wonder what he's really talking about.
=
= What does TUE stand for?  He said the name of the school, but I can't

Technische Universiteit Eindhoven.

= produce it.  I say he teaches there, but actually he may be 100%
= research.  That's what he would be if he comes here to work in the ERC.
= And I guess it's Amsterdam.  He said he likes that KLM flight from
= Amsterdam to Memphis for coming home but that the customs people are

Internationally, everyone flies from Amsterdam.

= always very picky with young males arriving from Amsterdam.  So that's
= why I have Amsterdam stuck in my head.  When he was first introduced to
= our group early in the week, I think it was said that he lives in The
= Netherlands, not specifically Amsterdam.
=
= --
=  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
=     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>Don't know what's going to happen, if that's even going to be a
>possibility. We were all blindsided by the rumor-mill. We're sposed
>to know next week. Sucks playing another round of will-we-make-it ...

It has been discussed earlier here in our office that maybe they could
do without a proof-reader. It was decided that perhaps not. Somehow in
this winter I felt rather insecure, for there was something in the air
as if I may lose my job. I was absolutely sure it wasn't personal, yet I
felt bad and as if I had to prove myself, and necessity of a
proof-reader, all the time. It disturbed me seriously.

The feeling is over now, yet I'm sure they are able to do without a
special worker for proofreading. I only do not want to lose the job.

I hope your uncertainty won't last, and that you won't be laid off.
(Hmm, rather obscene this last clause does seem, but it has been looked
up in the dictionary and all. What can I do if you speak such a
language!)

Kristin

Kristin

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At 03:13 PM 4/25/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>At 01:53 PM 4/25/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
>>
>>
>>Yeah right! After breakfast at the Hearthside I'm gonna sink the bottom of
>>the pool like a rock!.
>
>You can work it off hiking.

Yeah, but first you have to get up from the table...

cwv

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At 05:55 PM 4/25/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>Rumor mill's abuzz... please keep your fingers and toes crossed
>
>-rashmi, not liking the looks of this

Oh, no! Not what I think!

Betty

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At 02:15 PM 4/25/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
>At 06:11 PM 4/25/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>>Alec:
>>
>>>Can we take bets on this trip? Like Finland.
>>
>>snort. Alec, you're evil.
>
>Does that make him a twin?
>
>lisa

We know *he* is evil!

Betty

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>
> Why the date of this message is 26 May???? Both inside the message with
> the time 10:11:51, and in my mailbox 20:11, which is alright
>
> Kristin

    Because apparently that computer will not hold a time and/or date
setting from one day to the next, something I hope indicates its imminent
demise.

JMW

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steph wrote:

> = What does TUE stand for?  He said the name of the school, but I can't
>
> Technische Universiteit Eindhoven.

That sounds right.  I.e., I think that's where he works.

--
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At 12:36 AM 4/26/2003 +0300, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > before I dive into this fascinating
> > > discourse and try to say something that would make sense -- a naive hope
> > > in this thread maybe
>
> > Hey, Kristin. A valiant attempt.:)
>
>I didn't reach far but I guess I've finished now and am quite content. I did
>what I could. :)
>
>Kristin

You did better than most!

Betty

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> > Hey, Kristin. A valiant attempt.:)
>
>I didn't reach far but I guess I've finished now and am quite content. I did
>what I could. :)       --Kristin

There is a grave stone in The Old Burying Ground in Beaufort, North
Carolina which states:   "She Hath Done What She Could".


    --bonniev

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 >Hey, I'm in shape this year.  Terry said there was a pool at her motel.

Where is the Wild family staying?  I knew at one time, but I forgot.  The
Wonderview??

    --bonniev

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At 06:44 PM 4/25/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
> >Hey, I'm in shape this year.  Terry said there was a pool at her motel.
>
>Where is the Wild family staying?  I knew at one time, but I forgot.  The
>Wonderview??

I don't remember either. I just remember she said there was a pool which is
an excellent way for children to entertain themselves.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> >
> >I didn't reach far but I guess I've finished now and am quite content. I did
> >what I could. :)
> >
> >Kristin
>
> You did better than most!

Thanks. Though it is not important actually whether I did better or not. It became
rather as a challenging task, or a game (when the serious points were left aside)
even, to be fulfilled or played.

Kristin

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bonniev wrote:

> There is a grave stone in The Old Burying Ground in Beaufort, North
> Carolina which states:   "She Hath Done What She Could".

This will bring us to Evelyn's moment when she said she had done so little in her
life. I think that often, too, of myself. But I've tried to tune my mind towards
doing more, so that I'd deserve the epitaph when time comes.

Kristin

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> bonniev wrote:
>
> > There is a grave stone in The Old Burying Ground in Beaufort, North
> > Carolina which states:   "She Hath Done What She Could".
>
> This will bring us to Evelyn's moment when she said she had done so
little in her
> life. I think that often, too, of myself. But I've tried to tune my
mind towards
> doing more, so that I'd deserve the epitaph when time comes.
>
> Kristin

I've mentioned this before, but it is a common
thought that most people at the end of their life
look back not upon what they did while here,
but what they did not do.  Sometimes it does
not mean doing "some big thing."  If there's
anyone who has not seen Erma Bombeck's
piece about this and would like to have it, I
have it on file and would send.  (Kristen, if
you don't know, Erma B was a delightful
person who wrote syndicated colums about
almost anything with a light and humorous touch)

              - D. M.

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>SARS is not yet a problem in Australia, is it?  Do you think it's going
>to become one there before July -- as in more risk being there than
>being here?

What I think is that we live in a global village.

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Is Jarmila a female name among Czechs?  I just added a url to my blog
> for a letter written by somebody named Jarmila Temelova, a U.S. citizen
> who immigrated from the former Czechoslovakia.  When reading it I was
> thinking "she," and I used "she" and "her" in describing it on the
> blog.  But in looking back at it, I'm not sure why I assumed she.

It must be. "A" in the end of Jarmila would suggest it. But I cannot be
sure. Oh yes, I am: ova-ending of the surname is certainly an ending of a
female name. Her father or husband is most likely a Temelov.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> It must be. "A" in the end of Jarmila would suggest it. But I cannot be
> sure. Oh yes, I am: ova-ending of the surname is certainly an ending of a
> female name. Her father or husband is most likely a Temelov.

Thanks!  I would have felt a bit bad about calling a he a she (or a she
a he except that I in this case called the person she).

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-04-25 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Is Jarmila a female name among Czechs?  I just added a url to my blog

Yes, it is, and there was one on words-l in 1991.

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02003-04-25 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 04:09 PM 4/25/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >Friday, April 25, 2003, 2:37:29 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >> Yo, Richard, check out today's Google logo.
> >
> >They must be anti-liberal arts, that's why they didn't celebrate
> >Will's BD.
>
> The establishment (or perhaps better, the definition) of the DNA double
> helix can be tied to a date.  Will's date of birth is speculative.  Of
> course, if anti-liberal arts = pro fact, then, yes.

One funny thing is that absolutely no piece of writing I read
and liked about Shakespeare ever said "Will".

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02003-04-25 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> I was going to write my response in SQL but I just realized it's been so
> long since I've used it, I can't remember any of it.
>
> No loss though as I'm sure anything I would have come up with would have
> made Codd turn in his grave.

That applies to all SQL.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> thought that most people at the end of their life
> look back not upon what they did while here,
> but what they did not do.  Sometimes it does
> not mean doing "some big thing."

It doesn't, in my case. That is, sometimes I think I should start doing
some bigger things, too. But mostly, whereas earlier I rather thought of
not doing wrong things (but sure I still did) then now for several years
I've rather tried to not leave things undone -- out of laziness, or out of
lack of courage...

> If there's
> anyone who has not seen Erma Bombeck's
> piece about this and would like to have it, I
> have it on file and would send.  (Kristen, if
> you don't know, Erma B was a delightful
> person who wrote syndicated colums about
> almost anything with a light and humorous touch)

I may have heard of Bombeck's name, but cannot even be sure whether it's
the same, Erma Bombeck. I'd be glad to read her if you can send the file.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> Betty wrote:
>
> > >
> > >I didn't reach far but I guess I've finished now and am quite content. I did
> > >what I could. :)
> > >
> > >Kristin
> >
> > You did better than most!
>
> Thanks. Though it is not important actually whether I did better or not. It became
> rather as a challenging task, or a game (when the serious points were left aside)
> even, to be fulfilled or played.

Exactly,  It's a game.  ... with a predictable outcome.

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At 07:20 PM 4/25/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >SARS is not yet a problem in Australia, is it?  Do you think it's going
> >to become one there before July -- as in more risk being there than
> >being here?
>
>What I think is that we live in a global village.

Yes, I just heard something about people from Toronto going to Australia.

Betty

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Put your shirt on and wear it proudly , Kristin!

Betty

At 03:13 AM 4/26/2003 +0300, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>Oh dear! As always in similar situations when other meebers have tried to
>explain your way of
>discussing it again seems as if you were playing games, or pretending that
>you cannot understand.
>You've denied the pretending.
>
>How can that be? You are not a liar, and you are not a fool. What should
>we call it? Natalie's
>paradox? She cannot understand simple things, yet she is not stupid, ergo,
>she can understand them.
>But she says she cannot understand, yet she is not a liar, ergo, she
>cannot understand simple things.
>
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > > > > And may I express my joy, somewhat triumphantly, I must admit ;-)
> over what you admitted as
> > > > > you said in the first row of the passage quoted. In my opinion,
> btw, for the first time. But
> > > > > I may be wrong.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure what you mean.  My readily admiting that I comment on or
> > > > ask questions about side-points in conversations?
> > >
> > > ..._rather than_ what was actually meant by what somebody said -- yes.
> >
> > I'm confused again.  What you're describing here sounds like distortion
> > -- like putting wrong words in people's mouths or some such.  It's your
> > "what was actually meant" that makes it sound that way to me.
>
>"What was meant," I said. Not: "what was said". You do not put words in
>people's months. You quote
>them exactly as they were. Yet you tend to leave out part of the sentence
>when discussing it, so that
>the emphasis gets lost, the context gets lost, the meaning is distorted.
>
> >  I'm sure almost everybody accidentally
> > does something like that in a conversation occasionally, of course,
>
>Yes.
>
> > If I find a side-point interesting, I will comment on it or ask about
> > it.
>
>There's nothing bad in it in itself. But often the context is too
>important to be left aside.
>
> >  I can't remember your milk example right now but will make one up
> > that's sort of similar.  You might say "I'm going to go to the kitchen
> > to get a glass of milk because I'm about to go to bed and milk makes me
> > sleep better."  I would understand that your point was about milk and
> > sleep, but I might ask you something like, "what size containers are
> > considered standard for milk in Estonia?"  Sure, you didn't <mean>
> > anything about container sizes in what you said, but I'm getting the
> > idea that you think it would be somehow <bad> for such a side-question
> > to be asked.
>
>:) Aamf it becomes funnier and funnier,  there's more fun. As I said,
>there's nothing bad in it in
>itself. A nice example.
>
>Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> not doing wrong things (but sure I still did) then now for several years
> I've rather tried to not leave things undone -- out of laziness, or out of
> lack of courage...

I think that's probably typical.  I certainly feel that way (though I'm
much older than you are).  I think it's one reason I am more active
politically now than I was when I was young.  I was always somewhat
engaged but not as passionate about it as I am now.

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Betty wrote:

> Put your shirt on and wear it proudly , Kristin!

:) I will.

But at last there are 0 unread messages in my mailbox once again. Thus, since now
for some time I'll read less mail than during those days passed. It's high time
to become a good mother, (and do some work, too).

Kristin

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John Williams wrote:
>
>     Where were all these voices of "patriotic dissent" during the last
> decade; during Kosovo, and Bosnia, and Haiti, and Somalia?  Were their
> First Amendment rights denied then?

My memory is that the voices were indeed there.

>     For that matter, why are they not crying out this week against
> Castro?  Where is Amnesty International?

What has Castro done this week?  There are so many things going on in
the world that I think ordinary mortals can't possibly keep up with all
of them.  Amnesty International is still alive and well, isn't it?

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Is Jarmila a female name among Czechs?  I just added a url to my blog
>
> Yes, it is, and there was one on words-l in 1991.

A Czech Jarmila?  I don't remember her.  But then quite a lot happened
in '91.  The brain just doesn't have enough shelves to store it all.

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>  But then
>Words-L is the only place I have what might be called arguments.  The
>discussions in my ftf life tend to be way calm compared to the
>discussions here.  And in my department I'm considered the
>feather-smoother, peace-maker, moderater between factions, etc.  I'm one
>of two people in the department who are said to get along with
>everybody, which means the two of us have often had to take on tasks we
>might have preferred not to.

It's the difference between e-mail and ftf discourse - you write a LOT of
posts
which has an amplifying effect (in addition to the repetition). Don't know
if
there's an analogue in ftf conversation.

-rashmi


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In a message dated 04/25/2003 8:28:04 AM Central Daylight Time,
alfieri@ATTBI.COM writes:

<<
But you post young and that's all that counts.

>>

I guess so.  I'll never be taken for an old wise woman.
I always feel too young for that.

Evelyn Duncan
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= > Rumor mill's abuzz... please keep your fingers and toes crossed
= >
= > -rashmi, not liking the looks of this
=

Well, it would be a bummer about the house if you had to move to Belgium.

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Oh dear! As always in similar situations when other meebers have tried to explain your way of
discussing it again seems as if you were playing games, or pretending that you cannot understand.
You've denied the pretending.

How can that be? You are not a liar, and you are not a fool. What should we call it? Natalie's
paradox? She cannot understand simple things, yet she is not stupid, ergo, she can understand them.
But she says she cannot understand, yet she is not a liar, ergo, she cannot understand simple things.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > > > And may I express my joy, somewhat triumphantly, I must admit ;-) over what you admitted as
> > > > you said in the first row of the passage quoted. In my opinion, btw, for the first time. But
> > > > I may be wrong.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure what you mean.  My readily admiting that I comment on or
> > > ask questions about side-points in conversations?
> >
> > ..._rather than_ what was actually meant by what somebody said -- yes.
>
> I'm confused again.  What you're describing here sounds like distortion
> -- like putting wrong words in people's mouths or some such.  It's your
> "what was actually meant" that makes it sound that way to me.

"What was meant," I said. Not: "what was said". You do not put words in people's months. You quote
them exactly as they were. Yet you tend to leave out part of the sentence when discussing it, so that
the emphasis gets lost, the context gets lost, the meaning is distorted.

>  I'm sure almost everybody accidentally
> does something like that in a conversation occasionally, of course,

Yes.

> If I find a side-point interesting, I will comment on it or ask about
> it.

There's nothing bad in it in itself. But often the context is too important to be left aside.

>  I can't remember your milk example right now but will make one up
> that's sort of similar.  You might say "I'm going to go to the kitchen
> to get a glass of milk because I'm about to go to bed and milk makes me
> sleep better."  I would understand that your point was about milk and
> sleep, but I might ask you something like, "what size containers are
> considered standard for milk in Estonia?"  Sure, you didn't <mean>
> anything about container sizes in what you said, but I'm getting the
> idea that you think it would be somehow <bad> for such a side-question
> to be asked.

:) Aamf it becomes funnier and funnier,  there's more fun. As I said, there's nothing bad in it in
itself. A nice example.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> Oh dear! As always in similar situations when other meebers have tried to explain your way of
> discussing it again seems as if you were playing games, or pretending that you cannot understand.
> You've denied the pretending.
>
> How can that be? You are not a liar, and you are not a fool. What should we call it? Natalie's
> paradox? She cannot understand simple things, yet she is not stupid, ergo, she can understand them.
> But she says she cannot understand, yet she is not a liar, ergo, she cannot understand simple things.

Perhaps I am stupid?  No, I am not pretending anything at all.  I've
found your analysis interesting and have tried to answer your questions
and reply to your comments in good faith.

> > I'm confused again.  What you're describing here sounds like distortion
> > -- like putting wrong words in people's mouths or some such.  It's your
> > "what was actually meant" that makes it sound that way to me.
>
> "What was meant," I said. Not: "what was said". You do not put words in people's months. You quote
> them exactly as they were. Yet you tend to leave out part of the sentence when discussing it, so that
> the emphasis gets lost, the context gets lost, the meaning is distorted.

That's why I said above that what you're describing sounds like
distortion.  I don't know what I've distorted.

I think the best answer would be for you to give a real example when it
occurs.  I would very much appreciate that because I really am unaware
of any habit I have of taking things out of context in that kind of
way.  I do know that I'm sometimes more interested in side-points than
main points -- i.e., that I digress from the main line and morph into
other things.  I think conversations often work that way.  In casual
conversations there's not usually a sudden announcement that "we will
now move from discussing Point X to discussing a new point, Point Y."
But you seem to be talking about distortion more than digression.  I
sincerely would like an example.

--
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02003-04-25 | "again, all around" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> The unremarked passing of Edgar F. Codd.
>
> That is what *pisses* *me* *off*.

I had no idea ...

A moment of silence, please ... and then a continuation of the
effort to organize the Facts That We Know

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Betty wrote:
>
> Put your shirt on and wear it proudly , Kristin!

Yes!  Kristin is definitely a Wordsler!

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Is Terry Jones' history series available on video?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Perhaps I am stupid?

No.

> No, I am not pretending anything at all.  I've
> found your analysis interesting and have tried to answer your questions
> and reply to your comments in good faith.

I believe it. And this side of you, the paradox, though I didn't know then about the paradox, made me
curious some time ago. I am interested

> I think the best answer would be for you to give a real example when it
> occurs.

If I'm able to do it through once more.

>  I would very much appreciate that

I must remember this as a reason why I should be able to.

>   I
> sincerely would like an example.

I hope there will be another chance which won't grow out from a hurting quarrel but when people are
slightly, just a little, annoyed. That kind of example would serve better for an illustration than one of
my thinking of drinking milk.

Kristin

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        I think you confuse the existence of voices with the
reporting of the existence of said voices.

John Williams wrote:

>     Where were all these voices of "patriotic dissent" during the last
> decade; during Kosovo, and Bosnia, and Haiti, and Somalia?  Were their
> First Amendment rights denied then?
>     For that matter, why are they not crying out this week against
> Castro?  Where is Amnesty International?
>     (Or, FTM, you could throw in the Mexicans, who seem to have
> laryngitis.)
>
> JMW
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> She is such an interesting cat.  When I come home from work, she
> wants me to go into Mom's room with her and listen to the radio.
> I think she actually likes some of the music.

I once knew a poodle who loved watching tv.  His owners would leave the
tv on all day while they were gone to work so that he could sit there
and watch it.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On 25 Apr 2003 at 17:09, John Williams wrote:

>     For that matter, why are they not crying out this week against
> Castro?  Where is Amnesty International?

Well, here's an excerpt from the AI Web site on that subject, and
there's lots more on the same subject there, if you care to look.

********

Take action for the release of Cuban dissidents - Update

Around 80 people have been detained in a wave of recent mass
arrests in Cuba. At least 75 dissidents have been sentenced to
terms ranging from 6 to 28 years after manifestly unfair trials
conducted in haste and secrecy.

Amnesty International fears that many of those arrested may be
prisoners of conscience, detained for the non-violent exercise of
their rights to freedom of expression, assembly and association.
They include journalists, owners of private libraries and pro-
democracy members of illegal opposition parties, including
promoters of the Proyecto Varela, a petition for a referendum on
fundamental freedoms.

Urgent pressure is needed on the Cuban authorities so that those
imprisoned solely for the peaceful exercise of fundamental freedoms
are immediately and unconditionally released; and that anyone
allegedly implicated in a recognized criminal offence receives a
fair trial, with full due process guarantees.

Take action

Send letters as soon as possible in English or Spanish to Fidel
Castro, President of the Republic of Cuba and/ or the Minister of
Foreign Affairs in your own country. You might find it helpful to
base your appeal on the sample letters below.

Appeals to:

Dr. Fidel Castro Ruz
Presidente de los Consejos de Estado y de Ministros
La Habana, Cuba

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> The unremarked passing of Edgar F. Codd.
>
> That is what *pisses* *me* *off*.

I read about his death in The Register; does that help?

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> About .25 miles in the opposite direction from downtown.  But to our house
> is directly uphill from the Quality Inn.
>
>
>     --bonniev

Good, then I have chosen well.  I hoped to dispense with most car travel
and either walk or shuttle.  So how far does Betty have to walk for a swim?
Will she wear off breakfast?

Terry

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Lisa:
>> Yeah right! After breakfast at the Hearthside I'm gonna sink the bottom
>> of the pool like a rock!.
>
> You can work it off hiking.
>
> Betty

That's right, the pool is for relaxing, after the hike.  :-)

Terry

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, John Williams wrote:

>     Where were all these voices of "patriotic dissent" during the last
> decade; during Kosovo, and Bosnia, and Haiti, and Somalia?  Were their
> First Amendment rights denied then?
>     For that matter, why are they not crying out this week against
> Castro?  Where is Amnesty International?
>     (Or, FTM, you could throw in the Mexicans, who seem to have
> laryngitis.)
>
> JMW
>
Right there, witnessing, talking, reporting, working, dissenting, and
communicating with elected officials.

clo

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In a message dated 04/24/2003 8:49:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
And that is much more than many people have done in their lives, even
those who think they have done <great things>.

>>

She is such an interesting cat.  When I come home from work, she
wants me to go into Mom's room with her and listen to the radio.
I think she actually likes some of the music.  She does remind of
Brandy a bit:  he was finicky, and so is she; he perched on the
corner of the litter box, and so does she (the last time, she had
a resigned look on her face).

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> Well, here's an excerpt from the AI Web site on that subject, and
> there's lots more on the same subject there, if you care to look.

Thanks, mem.  I'm serious when I say that there is too much happening in
the world for a mere mortal to stay on top of.  Supermortals maybe, but
not meremortals.  One reason I'm looking forward to real retirement is
having more time to stay on top of <current events> and such.  (But I
realize because of what I've seen and heard from retired people that it
doesn't always work out that way -- that you get involved in thousands
of projects that make you as busy as you were when you were working.  I
can see how that could easily happen.  Humane Society by itself could
become a full-time job -- ditto any other one single organization.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Betty wrote:
> >
> > Put your shirt on and wear it proudly , Kristin!
>
> Yes!  Kristin is definitely a Wordsler!

Nice to hear :)

Kr.

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> Where is the Wild family staying?  I knew at one time, but I forgot.  The
> Wonderview??
>
>     --bonniev


After much looking, ummming, and realizing there would be children along,
we settled for the Quality Inn as it has a pool and we could get a room
with a kitchenette.  B&Bs are great, but I think the kid factor is limited
at them, especially with the little guy.  Camping would have been another
option for us, but I'm into a more cushy vacation this time.  I'm sure
camping will occur before the season is over.

We're .25 miles walking distance from downtown according to the brochure.
How far is it from your house, Bonnie?

Terry

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> >   I
> > sincerely would like an example.
>
> I hope there will be another chance which won't grow out from a hurting quarrel but when people are
> slightly, just a little, annoyed. That kind of example would serve better for an illustration than one of
> my thinking of drinking milk.

It doesn't matter whether it's a hurting quarrel or slight annoyance.
Any example will do to illustrate.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>We're .25 miles walking distance from downtown according to the brochure.
>How far is it from your house, Bonnie?
>Terry

About .25 miles in the opposite direction from downtown.  But to our house
is directly uphill from the Quality Inn.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
>
>>She is such an interesting cat.  When I come home from work, she
>>wants me to go into Mom's room with her and listen to the radio.
>>I think she actually likes some of the music.
>>
>
> I once knew a poodle who loved watching tv.  His owners would leave the
> tv on all day while they were gone to work so that he could sit there
> and watch it.


        I wonder what he saw.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > I once knew a poodle who loved watching tv.  His owners would leave the
> > tv on all day while they were gone to work so that he could sit there
> > and watch it.
>
>         I wonder what he saw.

Don't know.  I didn't know him intimately.  Spencer sometimes stares in
fascination at the tv when I turn it on in his presence for the first
time in a long time.  But he loses interest quickly.

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At 04:09 PM 4/25/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Friday, April 25, 2003, 2:37:29 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > Yo, Richard, check out today's Google logo.
>
>They must be anti-liberal arts, that's why they didn't celebrate
>Will's BD.

This is such a huuuge stretch - as bad as Richard's yesterday.

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I'm still having trouble seeing how using Blogger is different from just
doing a blog on your regular website -- as in cranking up vi and editing
the file to add an entry.  Obviously it's an advantage to use
blogspot.com space if you have a space problem (which I don't).  But
otherwise I can't see much difference except that it's a bit more
trouble to have to go to a website somewhere to add something instead of
just adding it on your own pages.  The two things Blogger does are
automatically put the date at the top of a new entry and automatically
put your name and a California time on it.  Adding the entries is
otherwise exactly what you'd do if adding them to your own web page.
You still have to give the html coding, for example.  (I first thought
that Blogger would make a url clickable if you simply entered it, but it
doesn't.  You have to do the coding, which I don't mind doing -- my
point is simply that I'm not sure what it is that Blogger is offering
other than the free space to house the blog.)

What am I missing about this process?
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Friday, April 25, 2003, 7:36:07 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Thanks for all the good wishes.

Me, too, Rashmi. BTDT, not at all fun.

Karen

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In a message dated 04/25/2003 6:21:37 PM Central Daylight Time,
dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

<<
Sometimes it does
not mean doing "some big thing."
>>

Did you know that I took two years of French at Akron U.
because I wanted to move to Montreal?  Instead, I moved
to Tulsa; maybe I should have taken two years of Spanish?

I know one thing:  if I could go back, there is no way in Heaven,
Earth, or Hell that I would have taken Prozac.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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>Good, then I have chosen well.  I hoped to dispense with most car travel
>and either walk or shuttle.  So how far does Betty have to walk for a swim?
>Will she wear off breakfast?
>Terry

Betty would have to walk .20 miles for a swim.  The Quality Inn is right on
the edge of the village.  Route 3, which brings the traveler onto the
island, makes a corner at the Quality Inn, turning left to travel the
length of Mount Desert Street.  One would walk from the Quality Inn
directly down Mount Desert Street, which is lined mostly with large
mansions (now B&Bs) from the late 1800s and churches.  The brick library
and YWCA is also on that street along with the Abbe Museum which is devoted
to native American artifacts.  Where Mount Desert Street dead ends into
Main Street, you will see on your left the square block of our Village
Green, nicely planted with flowers, mature trees, and even a circular
bandstand.  Very typical New England with benches and paths.

 From The Quality Inn to Main Street is about five blocks.  At about the
four block mark, one would see High Street on the left.  It runs
perpendicular to Mount Desert Street.  High Street is one way and only two
blocks long.  It goes between Mount Desert Street and Cottage
Street.  About a block and a half down High Street from Mount Desert, on
the left side, is The Hearthside B&B.  That's where Betty and Larry and
Lisa and Queen LaTina will be staying.  So it is a five block walk, not
enough to wear off a hearty breakfast.

The shuttle bus runs right past the Quality Inn or one could walk the five
blocks to the Village Green.  Along the west edge of the Village Green is
where all the routes of the Island Explorer shuttle buses begin and end.  A
large plaque shows the routes and tells the times.

By the way, a new route is being added to the free Island Explorer bus
system.  It will go to Winter Harbor where Natalie is lodging at her
friend's house.


    --bonniev

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I was feeling guilty, thinking that I really should drag myself out into
the woods to hear a young colleague read from his fiction tonight.  But
I so much didn't want to go -- not that I wouldn't like hearing him --
at his job interview last year I thoroughly enjoyed his reading.  And
he's a very likable person.  But I hate going to something that starts
at 9 p.m. and that has had a followup announcement from the host saying
that yesterday's rain has turned the yard into a bog and that one should
park on the distant street and hike through the mud with a flashlight.
Plenty of people will go.  I am not <essential>.  I feel happy that I
have now reached my <final conclusion> that I am not going to go.  I
will go to bed at a decent hour and get up tomorrow with enthusiasm for
the Cotton District Arts Festival -- a great event in my old
neighborhood.  Probably I'll take Spencer to the Dog Parade at 9:00 and
then bring him home and go back to explore the crafts booths, listen to
the music, watch the SCA people doing their joisting or whatever, and
eat lunch from one or more of the great food tents.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 04/25/2003 6:21:37 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:
>
> <<
> Sometimes it does
> not mean doing "some big thing."
>
>
> Did you know that I took two years of French at Akron U.
> because I wanted to move to Montreal?  Instead, I moved
> to Tulsa; maybe I should have taken two years of Spanish?
>
> I know one thing:  if I could go back, there is no way in Heaven,
> Earth, or Hell that I would have taken Prozac.


        Non sequitur of the week!


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Friday, April 25, 2003, 8:15:26 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> At 04:09 PM 4/25/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Friday, April 25, 2003, 2:37:29 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>> > Yo, Richard, check out today's Google logo.
>>
>>They must be anti-liberal arts, that's why they didn't celebrate
>>Will's BD.

> This is such a huuuge stretch - as bad as Richard's yesterday.

Well, I don't know about Richard, but I was joking.

Karen

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In a message dated 04/25/2003 3:36:32 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
They're crossed.  One of my lunch friends was saying today that his son,
who works for Sears in Chicago, is worried -- that next Wednesday
something like 1200 of the 5000 people who work in his building are
going to be gotten rid of.


>>

Mine, too.  Sweetie even has her paws crossed.

Sears got rid of Mary Conway, who was one of the top executives.
This is a company in trouble; sales have been down for 19 straight
months, and Lacy wants to sell the credit division to raise money
for the retail side.  I wonder if there is still pressure on the associates
to get regular Sears Card holders to get the Gold MasterCard.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 04/25/2003 3:36:32 PM Central Daylight Time,
> natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
> <<
> They're crossed.  One of my lunch friends was saying today that his son,
> who works for Sears in Chicago, is worried -- that next Wednesday
> something like 1200 of the 5000 people who work in his building are
> going to be gotten rid of.
>
>
>
>
> Mine, too.  Sweetie even has her paws crossed.
>
> Sears got rid of Mary Conway, who was one of the top executives.
> This is a company in trouble; sales have been down for 19 straight
> months, and Lacy wants to sell the credit division to raise money
> for the retail side.  I wonder if there is still pressure on the associates
> to get regular Sears Card holders to get the Gold MasterCard.


        Sears sent me a notice last month that they cancelled my
card.  I haven't used it in about 7 years.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>         Sears sent me a notice last month that they cancelled my
> card.  I haven't used it in about 7 years.

I'm expecting a similar notice. I haven't used my Sears card in years and
years. But in 1993 I was a Sears Best Customer and have the little sticker
on my card to prove it!

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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I've been thinking about you, Bonniemae, since Norton is doing its
thing.  I hate that everything slows to a super snail's pace while its
doing its thing, but I still have happy Bonniemae thoughts since we've
discussed our Friday-night Norton thing before.  I think I must have
been elsewhere on a good many past Friday nights.  This is the first
time in a long time that I remember sitting here during it.

bonniev wrote:

> By the way, a new route is being added to the free Island Explorer bus
> system.  It will go to Winter Harbor where Natalie is lodging at her
> friend's house.

Interesting.  I'd been thinking about maybe using the new(ish) ferry.  I
could stay with the Blaneys right there in BH -- or on the island, which
is where they spend summers -- they live on the island in summers, in BH
in winters.  I do hope to see them, but I want to stay with Katherine
and Neal in WH.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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In a message dated 04/25/2003 8:37:49 PM Central Daylight Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<
        Non sequitur of the week!

>>

Why?  I think if I had not taken Prozac, my life would be different
now.  I'd probably have my degree, maybe I'd be able to drive.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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In a message dated 04/25/2003 8:44:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<
        Sears sent me a notice last month that they cancelled my
card.  I haven't used it in about 7 years.
>>

That's a long time for Sears; it's usually 3 years, and they usually
don't send a letter.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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At 08:49 PM 4/25/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I've been thinking about you, Bonniemae, since Norton is doing its
>thing.  I hate that everything slows to a super snail's pace while its
>doing its thing, but I still have happy Bonniemae thoughts since we've
>discussed our Friday-night Norton thing before.  I think I must have
>been elsewhere on a good many past Friday nights.  This is the first
>time in a long time that I remember sitting here during it.
>
>bonniev wrote:
>
> > By the way, a new route is being added to the free Island Explorer bus
> > system.  It will go to Winter Harbor where Natalie is lodging at her
> > friend's house.
>
>Interesting.  I'd been thinking about maybe using the new(ish) ferry.  I
>could stay with the Blaneys right there in BH -- or on the island, which
>is where they spend summers -- they live on the island in summers, in BH
>in winters.  I do hope to see them, but I want to stay with Katherine
>and Neal in WH.

I thought you were going to stay there *after* the 4th and 5th?

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 04/25/2003 8:44:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> <<
>         Sears sent me a notice last month that they cancelled my
> card.  I haven't used it in about 7 years.
>
>
> That's a long time for Sears; it's usually 3 years, and they usually
> don't send a letter.


        They kept sending me new cards.  I have great credit.  They
wubba wubba wubba meee.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>Interesting.  I'd been thinking about maybe using the new(ish) ferry.

In this week's newspaper, there was a picture of the new boat which will be
the Winter Harbor ferry this season.

>could stay with the Blaneys right there in BH -- or on the island, which
>is where they spend summers -- they live on the island in summers, in BH
>in winters.   -- Natalie

I thought they lived in Salisbury Cove in the winters, not Bar
Harbor.  Without the leaves on the trees, one could easily see their house
on Ironbound Island last Friday when we were up on the top of Mount Cadillac.


    --bonniev

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Sears got rid of Mary Conway, who was one of the top executives.
> This is a company in trouble; sales have been down for 19 straight

The severance pay doesn't sound all that great.  My friend said that his
son said that it would be one week's pay for each year worked.  I guess
that wouldn't be so bad if you had worked there for eons.  My friend's
son has worked there for just two years.  I don't what he majored in --
as in what exactly he does there.  It's something in the Sears Tower,
not in a store.  (This friend has lots of children -- it's hard to keep
up with them all.  He's my cajun chemist friend.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Sears sent me a notice last month that they cancelled my
> card.  I haven't used it in about 7 years.

Well, you just aren't <in> with Sears the way my father, who died in
'94, apparently is.  He still gets mail trying to convince him to apply
for a Sears credit card.

Mail to dead people is kind of funny.  My mother often laughed at the
mail that came to Daddy after he died.  Because my mother's mail after
she moved to Starkville came to my address (as in business-type mail --
her magazines and such went to her at the nursing home), I know that I
will forever get junk mail intended for her.  Obviously the p.o.
collaborates with junk-mailers.  I gave the Hville p.o. a forwarding
address for her mail there to my address.  I carefully did
address-changes for everything important, but all kinds of junk mail she
got has magically changed to my address.  One thing is that she donated
to any charity that asked her to.  She is therefore on everybody's
mailing list.

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In a message dated 04/25/2003 8:57:46 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
I don't what he majored in --
as in what exactly he does there.  It's something in the Sears Tower,
not in a store.
>>

If he wants to tell people about it, there's a Sears discussion board
at www.retailworker.com.  It's full of pissed-off Sears workers.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> > bid.   I guess Matt thought that Jenna should not have made a
> stink that
> > she "deserved" the letter more than any one else.
>
> He thought that Christy deserved it more because she is more cut off
> than Jenna. Also, he may have forgotten about her Mom; I did. She
> spent all her money on peanut butter and chocolate, Christy saved her
> money; I had no sympathy for Jenna and thought her crying just
> indicated how spoiled she was.

My thought was that if she cares so much about her mom's condition, she chose a bad time to go to South America and play Survivor! Christie needed that letter, and it sucked that she was made to feel bad for fighting for it. (Can you believe Christie is still in the game?)

Marie

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At 07:58 PM 4/25/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>        I think you confuse the existence of voices with the
>reporting of the existence of said voices.
>
>John Williams wrote:
>
>>     Where were all these voices of "patriotic dissent" during the last
>>decade; during Kosovo, and Bosnia, and Haiti, and Somalia?  Were their
>>First Amendment rights denied then?
>>     For that matter, why are they not crying out this week against
>>Castro?  Where is Amnesty International?
>>     (Or, FTM, you could throw in the Mexicans, who seem to have
>>laryngitis.)

Precisely.

cwv

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Friday, April 25, 2003, 9:09:45 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> (Can you believe Christie is still in the game?)

Frankly, no. She is fast becoming a hero.

Karen

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bonniev wrote:

> >could stay with the Blaneys right there in BH -- or on the island, which
> >is where they spend summers -- they live on the island in summers, in BH
> >in winters.   -- Natalie
>
> I thought they lived in Salisbury Cove in the winters, not Bar
> Harbor.  Without the leaves on the trees, one could easily see their house
> on Ironbound Island last Friday when we were up on the top of Mount Cadillac.

Yes, Salisbury Cove sounds right.  Is that not Bar Harbor?  The way they
say it is that they live on "the island" in summers and on "the
mainland" in winters.  But I thought that "the mainland" meant BH.
Hmm.  The way I'm wording this makes it sound sort of snobby or
something -- as in they freely toss about the fact that they have these
various dwelling places.  That is not at all true.  They are the
opposite extreme from snobbish.  They've revealed these details in very
modest tones only after being asked specific questions.

Re seeing "their house" on Ironbound, I'm not sure what that means
exactly.  The last time I talked to them was a good many months ago.
They've normally spent their summers in a house on the island lived in
by various of their family members at various times, but their plan was
to build their own house on Ironbound, separate from the house there
that they share with siblings/cousins.  I'm not sure whether they've
done that yet.  Quite possibly they have.

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Betty wrote:

> I thought you were going to stay there *after* the 4th and 5th?

It's so close to BH that it seems logical to stay there for The Event.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> I don't what he majored in --
> as in what exactly he does there.  It's something in the Sears Tower,
> not in a store.
> >>
>
> If he wants to tell people about it, there's a Sears discussion board
> at www.retailworker.com.  It's full of pissed-off Sears workers.

I didn't get the sense that he was pissed off -- just worried.

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(Originally posted here by S. Hess)

IF I HAD MY LIFE TO LIVE OVER - by Erma Bombeck


  I would have gone to bed when I was sick instead of pretending the
  earth would go into a holding pattern if I weren't there for the day.

  I would have burned the pink candle sculpted like a rose before it
  melted in storage.

  I would have talked less and listened more.

  I would have invited friends over to dinner even if the carpet was
  stained, or the sofa faded.

  I would have eaten the popcorn in the 'good' living room and worried
  much less about the dirt when someone wanted to light a fire in the
  fireplace.

  I would have taken the time to listen to my grandfather ramble about his
 youth.

  I would have shared more of the responsibility carried by my husband.

  I would never have insisted the car windows be rolled up on a summer
  day because my hair had just been teased and sprayed.

  I would have sat on the lawn with my grass stains.

  I would have cried and laughed less while watching television and
  more while watching life.

  I would never have bought anything just because it was practical,
  wouldn't show soil, or was guaranteed to last a lifetime.

  Instead of wishing away nine months of pregnancy, I'd have cherished
  every moment and realized that the wonderment growing inside me was
  the only chance in life to assist God in a miracle.

  When my kids kissed me impetuously, I would never have said, "Later.
  Now go get washed up for dinner." There would have been more "I love
  you's." More "I'm sorry's."

  But mostly, given another shot at life, I would seize every
  minute...look at it and really see it ... live it ..and never give it
  back. Stop sweating the small stuff.

  Don't worry about who doesn't like you, who has more, or who's doing what.

  Instead, let's cherish the relationships we have with those who do love
us.

  Let's think about what God HAS blessed us with. And what we are doing
  each day to promote ourselves mentally, physically, emotionally. We
  get one shot at this and then it's gone. I hope you all have a
  blessed day.

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Friday, April 25, 2003, 9:44:15 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Did she know about her mother's condition before she agreed to go?

Yes. That's why she wanted the letter.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Friday, April 25, 2003, 9:46:51 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Matt is the one I'm pulling for.  I think I might have said earlier that
> > I was for him, then against him, and now for him again.  (I'm leaving
> > out the first stage there of not really noticing him -- the stages were
> > not-notice, for, against, for.)  Anyway, he's my man now.  I want him to
> > go all the way.
>
> I think that's because he's mutant.

That that's why I'm for him?  May be.  But how exactly is he mutant?
Iow, what exactly is the definition of mutant?

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Friday, April 25, 2003, 10:10:03 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Then I do think she's dopey.  Obviously she knew before she left since
> otherwise the things described about the part I missed last night
> wouldn't make sense.  But I wasn't sure that she knew when she agreed to
> go -- as in when she signed the contract or whatever.

I'm sure they have backups for family emergencies--what if one of the
women discovered she was pregnant immediately before she was to go?!
Or whatever.

Karen

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In a message dated 04/25/2003 9:20:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
I didn't get the sense that he was pissed off -- just worried.

>>

Well, I hope he keeps his job, but this would be a great time
for him to update his resumé.

Evelyn Duncan
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Thanks Bonnie for your description, I'm remembering now.  It has been 13
years since I was there last.  I really look forward to going back.

Terry

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> My thought was that if she cares so much about her mom's condition, she chose a bad time to go to South America and play Survivor!

Did she know about her mother's condition before she agreed to go?  If
so, I agree with you.  And that somehow reminds me of something that I
can't quite <get>.  I found out not long ago that a 77-yr-old friend of
mine has a still-alive (and alert)  mother living in a nursing home in
Miami.  He and his wife constantly travel.  He's still working (has said
that he'll never retire), but at every break they travel, mainly on
cruises.  They're big into cruises.  I asked him one time when he
mentioned his mother whether they were able to see her very often, like
maybe combining cruise departures with visiting her since Miami seems a
likely place for such.  He said no, that most of their cruises left from
<wherever>, not from Miami itself, and that he hadn't had a chance to
visit his mother in a good many years now.  Am I mutant in finding that
way weird?  Like wouldn't you give up a cruise or two and visit your
mother instead?  And take your children and grandchildren to visit her?
I have sensed no animosity or anything like that -- as in it's not as if
his mother <betrayed> him or whatever.  Anyway, I felt a bit astounded
when I learned all this.

> Christie needed that letter, and it sucked that she was made to feel bad for fighting for it. (Can you believe Christie is still in the game?)

In a way I'm not surprised.  She wasn't really a threat to anybody, she
was in some ways under the radar, she was just not likely to come up as
the logical next person to go.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > (Can you believe Christie is still in the game?)
>
> Frankly, no. She is fast becoming a hero.

Matt is the one I'm pulling for.  I think I might have said earlier that
I was for him, then against him, and now for him again.  (I'm leaving
out the first stage there of not really noticing him -- the stages were
not-notice, for, against, for.)  Anyway, he's my man now.  I want him to
go all the way.

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Maybe like those computer games that seem to go on lasting forever if the player is
> skilled enough? :)

Sure, if you read Natalie as the player skilled enough to make it last
forever.  You, you're just a sucker sucked in by the PRO.

Ann

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Friday, April 25, 2003, 9:46:51 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Matt is the one I'm pulling for.  I think I might have said earlier that
> I was for him, then against him, and now for him again.  (I'm leaving
> out the first stage there of not really noticing him -- the stages were
> not-notice, for, against, for.)  Anyway, he's my man now.  I want him to
> go all the way.

I think that's because he's mutant.

Karen

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > Maybe like those computer games that seem to go on lasting forever if the player is
> > skilled enough? :)
>
> Sure, if you read Natalie as the player skilled enough to make it last
> forever.  You, you're just a sucker sucked in by the PRO.

Here I said I was not going to tonight's symposium because I wanted to
go to bed at a decent time, and I'm still up.  (I really am turning off
the computer soon.)

But I'm not sure what AnnBork is saying here.  My name is in it, but I'm
not sure whether it's a compliment, an insult, or neither.  Can you say
it more clearly and directly, Ann?

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Friday, April 25, 2003, 10:06:25 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> That that's why I'm for him?  May be.  But how exactly is he mutant?

He has no clue about what motivates people or what interests them.

> Iow, what exactly is the definition of mutant?

I think every mutant has their own definition, unless you happen to be
lucky enough to find an evil twin.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Did she know about her mother's condition before she agreed to go?
>
> Yes. That's why she wanted the letter.

Then I do think she's dopey.  Obviously she knew before she left since
otherwise the things described about the part I missed last night
wouldn't make sense.  But I wasn't sure that she knew when she agreed to
go -- as in when she signed the contract or whatever.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > That that's why I'm for him?  May be.  But how exactly is he mutant?
>
> He has no clue about what motivates people or what interests them.

Thanks.  I do find this interesting.  And it makes me feel better about
being mutant.  It makes non-mutancy sound (in this context anyway) as
meaning manipulative.

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Friday, April 25, 2003, 6:45:09 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-25 | "again, all around" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
>> The unremarked passing of Edgar F. Codd.
>>
>> That is what *pisses* *me* *off*.

> I had no idea ...

> A moment of silence, please ... and then a continuation of the
> effort to organize the Facts That We Know

An Oprah Moment!

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I'm sure they have backups for family emergencies--what if one of the
> women discovered she was pregnant immediately before she was to go?!

It doesn't last nine months.

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Friday, April 25, 2003, 10:13:20 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > That that's why I'm for him?  May be.  But how exactly is he mutant?
>>
>> He has no clue about what motivates people or what interests them.

> Thanks.  I do find this interesting.  And it makes me feel better about
> being mutant.  It makes non-mutancy sound (in this context anyway) as
> meaning manipulative.

The fact that you think this is clearly mutant.

Karen

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Friday, April 25, 2003, 10:14:25 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I'm sure they have backups for family emergencies--what if one of the
>> women discovered she was pregnant immediately before she was to go?!

> It doesn't last nine months.

Uh, no. But I wouldn't risk developing neural tube defects or worse on
the diet they eat--or the parasites they get. This would be an insane
thing for a pregnant woman to do.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor:
= steph wrote:
=
= > = What does TUE stand for?  He said the name of the school, but I can't
= >
= > Technische Universiteit Eindhoven.
=
= That sounds right.  I.e., I think that's where he works.
=

As Elaine will tell you far better than me, Eindhoven is
decidedly not Amsterdam!

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On 25 Apr 2003 at 21:44, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Like wouldn't you give up a cruise or two and visit your mother
> instead?

Not likely.

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> But I'm not sure what AnnBork is saying here.  My name is in it, but I'm
> not sure whether it's a compliment, an insult, or neither.  Can you say
> it more clearly and directly, Ann?

After more than 2 turns each, every e-mail conversation with you that has
you or something you said at issue seems to me like a quagmire:  you are
the quagmire and the interlocutor is the quagmired, sucked in, arms and
legs flailing, trying to talk her way into some sort of resolution or
clarification but it gets WORSE WORSE WORSE aiieeeeeeeeeee !

I loved watching Kristen try her hand though.

Ann

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

> > Like wouldn't you give up a cruise or two and visit your mother
> > instead?
>
> Not likely.

snork & Iloveyouman.

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On 25 Apr 2003 at 20:35, Ann Borkin wrote:

> After more than 2 turns each, every e-mail conversation with you that has
> you or something you said at issue seems to me like a quagmire:  you are
> the quagmire and the interlocutor is the quagmired, sucked in, arms and
> legs flailing, trying to talk her way into some sort of resolution or
> clarification but it gets WORSE WORSE WORSE aiieeeeeeeeeee !

Aptly described.

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>> > You know I only want your boobs.
>>
>>     They sure as hell don't help her swimming.
>>
>> JMW, PM
>
>Why the date of this message is 26 May???? Both inside the message with
>the time 10:11:51, and in my mailbox 20:11, which is alright
>
>Kristin

JMW has always been a nonconformist.

Besides, if the Prime Meeber says it's 26 May, then by golly it's 26 May!
Or are you not one of the Cleansed?

Ken Miller
First Acolyte of the Fifth Third Church of Meeber

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I got a little present from Alyce the other day.  It came on
Thursday but I didn't see it on my dresser until late on Friday.

It's a magnet with a Saul Steinberg (-esque? I can't find the
exact image) view of the world from New York much like the famous
View from 9th avenue New Yorker cover.

Thanks a lot, Alyce.  It's going up on the fridge now!

steph

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Seems his idea of free elections means he defines the people who
should be elected.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2975333.stm

Roy

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>>
>> I helped plant the bulbs and clean the roof.  Patrick is the one
>> who carried all the damn dirt up all those stairs!
>
> You've been busy!  Does the bamboo not take over??
>
> I want to see fields and fields of tulips!
>
They look better when the flower heads have been removed and they
don't attract so many tourists.

> Betty
>
Roy

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Roy Jaques:
= >>
= >>I helped plant the bulbs and clean the roof.  Patrick is the one
= >>who carried all the damn dirt up all those stairs!
= >
= >You've been busy!  Does the bamboo not take over??
= >
= >I want to see fields and fields of tulips!
= >
= They look better when the flower heads have been removed and they
= don't attract so many tourists.
=

gee, you're grumpy this morning.

we went out two weeks ago to take pictures in the tulips and
together with the rest of the tourists pissed the farmer off.  he
came out and got everyone out from between the rows by saying,
"geen varkens in de bollen"  (that's "no pigs in the bulbs").

how's your garden doing, Roy?

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From: steph <stevie@multinix.com>
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Subject: Re: Hey, Pete -- re Blogging
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Natalie Maynor:
= I'm still having trouble seeing how using Blogger is different from just
= doing a blog on your regular website -- as in cranking up vi and editing
= the file to add an entry.  Obviously it's an advantage to use

It actually takes considerable skill to crank up vi and edit a
file, and get it in the right place (even if you're making it there,
it's not necessarily in the directory you log in to, and the
directory you need may not already exist with the correct
permissions) for it to even be seen on the web.  I was reminded
of this when I helped get Doris her one .jpg uploaded and
visible.

If you want to write a lot, then it takes even more skills to
archive the pages and keep them consistent, make them searchable
and make the layout something that's actually readable.

Also, looking at what you've done so far, it looks to me like
you're making use of about the minimal number of features
available to you.  That's fine, but some people want more.  The
work you have to do to get more is made simpler by the software.

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Roy Jaques:
= Seems his idea of free elections means he defines the people who
= should be elected.
=
= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2975333.stm
=
= Roy

As if we don't have some sort of our own theocracy in the US:
http://www.harpers.org/online/jesus_plus_nothing/?pg=1

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > It doesn't last nine months.
>
> Uh, no. But I wouldn't risk developing neural tube defects or worse on

I should've added a :-).  Twas intended as a joke.

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> After more than 2 turns each, every e-mail conversation with you that has
> you or something you said at issue seems to me like a quagmire:  you are
> the quagmire and the interlocutor is the quagmired, sucked in, arms and
> legs flailing, trying to talk her way into some sort of resolution or
> clarification but it gets WORSE WORSE WORSE aiieeeeeeeeeee !
>
> I loved watching Kristen try her hand though.

Thank you.  This is much clearer.

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steph wrote:

> It actually takes considerable skill to crank up vi and edit a
> file, and get it in the right place (even if you're making it there,
> it's not necessarily in the directory you log in to, and the
> directory you need may not already exist with the correct
> permissions) for it to even be seen on the web.  I was reminded

Obviously you have to cd to an appropriate directory and create a new
file and chmod the permissions.  But those are routine things that take
little time, two of which you have to do one time only -- creating the
new file and chmod 644'ing it.  After that you would simply cd to the
directory and vi the file to add your new stuff.

dddd> of this when I helped get Doris her one .jpg uploaded and
> visible.

:-)  I'm leaving the above to show that this discussion has vi'ed my
brain.  Note the dddd above.  I was going to zap that part, entered dd,
wondered why it didn't seem to work, entered dd again, then remembered
that I'm writing this in Netscape Mail, not in vi.  I left it because I
thought you might be amused.

> If you want to write a lot, then it takes even more skills to
> archive the pages and keep them consistent, make them searchable
> and make the layout something that's actually readable.

Thanks.  It was things like archiving and searchability that I hadn't
thought of.  I knew I was overlooking something in my wonderings.  I
don't see the part about making the layout actually readable as an
issue, though.  One thing I've noticed in my blog, though I haven't
spent time trying to figure out whether I can improve it, is too much
white space.  Somehow it seems that things like <br> and <p> lead to
wider gaps than they do normally.  Ditto the one where I used a header
-- there's too much space after my </h3> or whatever number h I used.

> Also, looking at what you've done so far, it looks to me like
> you're making use of about the minimal number of features
> available to you.  That's fine, but some people want more.  The
> work you have to do to get more is made simpler by the software.

I can tell I need to explore blogger some more.  What kinds of features
am I not making use of?  What else will it <do>?

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>Yes, Salisbury Cove sounds right.  Is that not Bar Harbor?

Bar Harbor is both a township and a village.  The township of Bar Harbor
takes up about one fourth of Mount Desert Island.  Salisbury Cove is one of
several villages in the township of Bar Harbor.  When I say Bar Harbor, I
usually mean the village.

>The way I'm wording this makes it sound sort of snobby or
>something -- as in they freely toss about the fact that they have these
>various dwelling places.  That is not at all true.

It would not be at all snobby to talk about living on an island in the
summer and on the mainland in the winter.  Some of the Cranberry Island
lobstermen with children in high school often live out on the islands in
summer and on the mainland in winter.  Of course, "the mainland" in this
context of the Blaneys and the lobsterman is actually the larger island,
Mount Desert Island.

>Re seeing "their house" on Ironbound, I'm not sure what that means
>exactly.  The last time I talked to them was a good many months ago.
>  -- Natalie

 From the top of Cadillac there appears to be only one house on
Ironbound.  This might not be true.  There was a time in history that the
island supported a small community.


    --bonniev

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>Betty wrote:
> > I thought you were going to stay there *after* the 4th and 5th?
>
>It's so close to BH that it seems logical to stay there for The Event.
>-- Natalie

I think I might have misled you about that Island Explorer bus
route.  Clyde read the article again and we now think that the bus might
simply make a loop out on Schoodic Peninsula, stopping in Winter Harbor and
in that part of Acadia National Park, but not come make the hour plus drive
from Winter Harbor to Bar Harbor.  The ferry landing would be one of the
bus's stops.  I believe another article said that the last ferry would
leave Bar Harbor at 9 p.m.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

>  From the top of Cadillac there appears to be only one house on
> Ironbound.  This might not be true.  There was a time in history that the
> island supported a small community.

Yes, I was intrigued by the history of the island when I asked Ben about
it several years ago.  That one house is no doubt the one they've spent
summers in for many years now.  The whole family owns it -- as in Ben,
his sister, and I think a couple of cousins.  Ben and Ginnie (his wife)
were planning on building a separate house on the island.  Probably they
haven't gotten around to doing that yet.  There's no electricity on the
island, which makes construction more difficult and expensive.

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>Thanks Bonnie for your description, I'm remembering now.  It has been 13
>years since I was there last.  I really look forward to going back.
>Terry

You're welcome.  I walk or drive past that Quality Inn almost every
day.  But I never much thought about it.  It is indeed rather nicely
located.  There is a good breakfast restaurant right across the
street.  Your kitchenette room is in a smaller building, in a wooded
section furthest from the intersection.  It will be quieter.  The swimming
pool truly is unique as the web page says.  It is raised.  From the street
one only sees a twenty foot high water tower looking thingy that is painted
with a mural.

If you leave to the south from the Quality Inn, you can be in the Park
without hitting any traffic at all.  You would be on the one way loop
heading toward Sand Beach in about three minutes.  If one leaves to the
West one would be at the Cadillac Mountain entrance to the Park for sunrise
in about five minutes.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

>  The ferry landing would be one of the
> bus's stops.  I believe another article said that the last ferry would
> leave Bar Harbor at 9 p.m.

The ferry sounds promising.  Is its BH landing close to the heart of
activities?  I think you said that its WH landing is not conveniently
placed.  (It's not likely to be near Katherine & Neil's house since
their house is up high from the water -- you look down at the ships and
things from a pretty good height when at their house.)  But if its BH
dock is, then it would work out fine -- my car would stay parked at the
WH landing for driving back to K&N's house upon return to WH.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>> > You know I only want your boobs.
>>
>>     They sure as hell don't help her swimming.
>>
>> JMW, PM
>
>Why the date of this message is 26 May???? Both inside the message with
>the time 10:11:51, and in my mailbox 20:11, which is alright
>
>Kristin


>JMW has always been a nonconformist.


>Besides, if the Prime Meeber says it's 26 May, then by golly it's 26 May!
>Or are you not one of the Cleansed?


>Ken Miller
>First Acolyte of the Fifth Third Church of Meeber

I am, I am! ... with pictures to prove it!

AS

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>My thought was that if she cares so much about her mom's condition, she
>chose a bad time to go to South America and play Survivor! Christie needed
>that letter, and it sucked that she was made to feel bad for fighting for
>it. (Can you believe Christie is still in the game?)
>Marie

I agree.   I loved Christie's smile after Alex got voted off.  I hope she
wins the whole pot.  The jury would be on her side over almost anyone else.


    --bonniev

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At 01:15 PM 4/26/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>Roy Jaques:
>= Seems his idea of free elections means he defines the people who
>= should be elected.
>=
>= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2975333.stm
>=
>= Roy

Absolutely.  I rather imagine that no leftists need apply, either.  This
could end up being the famous American political spoils system raised to
some exponent.

>As if we don't have some sort of our own theocracy in the US:
>http://www.harpers.org/online/jesus_plus_nothing/?pg=1

This article seems so far out that the word "hoax" kept coming to mind.  If
true, then it is amusing in a way that they disdain the term "Christian" as
a political term, yet they are for all intents and purposes a political club.

cwv

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>The ferry sounds promising.  Is its BH landing close to the heart of
>activities?  -- Natalie

Yes.  It is very much in the heart of things.  One block, through a park,
off the main street and about four or five blocks from the Island Explorer
buses.


    --bonniev

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>
> >Or are you not one of the Cleansed?
>
> >Ken Miller
> >First Acolyte of the Fifth Third Church of Meeber
>
> I am, I am! ... with pictures to prove it!
>
> AS

    This is true.  Amy is Of The Cleansed.  The hands of the Prime Meeber have
been lain upon her, and she is redeemed.

    John "So let it be written, so let it be done" W.

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At 07:29 AM 4/26/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
> >
> > >Or are you not one of the Cleansed?
> >
> > >Ken Miller
> > >First Acolyte of the Fifth Third Church of Meeber
> >
> > I am, I am! ... with pictures to prove it!
> >
> > AS
>
>     This is true.  Amy is Of The Cleansed.  The hands of the Prime Meeber
> have
>been lain upon her, and she is redeemed.
>
>     John "So let it be written, so let it be done" W.

There is hope even for the fallen women!

Betty

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> I've decided to see if I can find a plant out in Alyce's yard that I can move to mine Sunday. If I'm allowed.

Alyce says "Yes! By all means!" There are day lilies, iris, monarta,
bluebells, and probably others that she can't think of. She suggests
bringing some plastic grocery bags to carry the bulbs home in.

--Jeff

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>After more than 2 turns each, every e-mail conversation with you that has
>you or something you said at issue seems to me like a quagmire:  you are
>the quagmire and the interlocutor is the quagmired, sucked in, arms and
>legs flailing, trying to talk her way into some sort of resolution or
>clarification but it gets WORSE WORSE WORSE aiieeeeeeeeeee !
>
>I loved watching Kristen try her hand though.
>
>Ann

Over the years, I've noticed that anyone carrying on a protracted debate
with Natalie inevitably winds up recreating Brer Rabbit's encounter with
the Tar Baby.

Ken Miller
Billy Flynn School of Discourse

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Sears sent me a notice last month that they cancelled my
>>card.  I haven't used it in about 7 years.
>>
>
> Well, you just aren't <in> with Sears the way my father, who died in
> '94, apparently is.  He still gets mail trying to convince him to apply
> for a Sears credit card.


        Well, I'm not dead, if that's what you mean.  I do get
application invitations, though.




> Mail to dead people is kind of funny.  My mother often laughed at the
> mail that came to Daddy after he died.  Because my mother's mail after
> she moved to Starkville came to my address (as in business-type mail --
> her magazines and such went to her at the nursing home), I know that I
> will forever get junk mail intended for her.  Obviously the p.o.
> collaborates with junk-mailers.  I gave the Hville p.o. a forwarding
> address for her mail there to my address.  I carefully did
> address-changes for everything important, but all kinds of junk mail she
> got has magically changed to my address.  One thing is that she donated
> to any charity that asked her to.  She is therefore on everybody's
> mailing list.


        Oh, we get mail for Anne and Dorothy all the time, still.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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clyde w. voigtlander:
= At 01:15 PM 4/26/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
= >Roy Jaques:
= >= Seems his idea of free elections means he defines the people who
= >= should be elected.
= >=
= >= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2975333.stm
= >=
= >= Roy
=
= Absolutely.  I rather imagine that no leftists need apply, either.  This
= could end up being the famous American political spoils system raised to
= some exponent.
=
= >As if we don't have some sort of our own theocracy in the US:
= >http://www.harpers.org/online/jesus_plus_nothing/?pg=1
=
= This article seems so far out that the word "hoax" kept coming to mind.  If
= true, then it is amusing in a way that they disdain the term "Christian" as
= a political term, yet they are for all intents and purposes a political
= club.
=
= cwv

I too had a hard time believing it was true.  The guy has an
interesting view of the world.  If you follow the link at the
bottom of the Harper's page to the http://killingthebuddha.com/ site
(which I have been to before because I recognize having read at
least the manifesto at the top of that site [though I read the
Harper's article in the dead tree version]) then there's an
interesting article recently posted there called "Red Flags and
Christian Soldiers" which ties in to some extent with the
Newsweek Anna Quindlen article that Natalie posted about.

Something's in the air for sure, because I found myself
attempting to explain just yesterday McCarthyism to a German
colleague of mine.  Not particularly successfully, I think.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 04/25/2003 8:37:49 PM Central Daylight Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> <<
>         Non sequitur of the week!
>
>
>
> Why?  I think if I had not taken Prozac, my life would be different
> now.  I'd probably have my degree, maybe I'd be able to drive.


        What's Prozac got to do with learning how to drive?




--
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02003-04-26 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Natalie Maynor:
> = I'm still having trouble seeing how using Blogger is different from just
> = doing a blog on your regular website -- as in cranking up vi and editing
> = the file to add an entry.  Obviously it's an advantage to use
>
> It actually takes considerable skill to crank up vi and edit a
> file, and get it in the right place

Puh-lease ... It takes no skill, it takes a bit of familiarity.
Are you saying people are that stupid?

> Also, looking at what you've done so far, it looks to me like
> you're making use of about the minimal number of features
> available to you.  That's fine, but some people want more.  The
> work you have to do to get more is made simpler by the software.

It's made more complicated by this software.

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In a message dated 04/26/2003 10:57:29 AM Central Daylight Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<
What's Prozac got to do with learning how to drive?

>>

I'm still living with the damage it did to my mind and memory.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 04/26/2003 10:57:29 AM Central Daylight Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> <<
> What's Prozac got to do with learning how to drive?
>
>
>
> I'm still living with the damage it did to my mind and memory.
>


        Even the most anti sources say the effects go away when you
quit taking it.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-04-26 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > Natalie Maynor:
= > = I'm still having trouble seeing how using Blogger is different from just
= > = doing a blog on your regular website -- as in cranking up vi and editing
= > = the file to add an entry.  Obviously it's an advantage to use
= >
= > It actually takes considerable skill to crank up vi and edit a
= > file, and get it in the right place
=
= Puh-lease ... It takes no skill, it takes a bit of familiarity.
= Are you saying people are that stupid?
=
= > Also, looking at what you've done so far, it looks to me like
= > you're making use of about the minimal number of features
= > available to you.  That's fine, but some people want more.  The
= > work you have to do to get more is made simpler by the software.
=
= It's made more complicated by this software.

You are a geek.  Perhaps skill wasn't the best word.  You will
never know what it takes non-geeks to get this stuff to work.  I will
admit I haven't created a blog so I have no idea what it actually
takes to use the software.  But it seems like a lot of people
like using this sort of environment.

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Bookrat wrote:

> Over the years, I've noticed that anyone carrying on a protracted debate
> with Natalie inevitably winds up recreating Brer Rabbit's encounter with
> the Tar Baby.

My goal in the recent debate with Kristin was simply to find out whether
she was saying that I am into digressing (which I am) or that I am into
distorting (which I am not).

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steph wrote:

> admit I haven't created a blog so I have no idea what it actually
> takes to use the software.  But it seems like a lot of people
> like using this sort of environment.

The reason I was asking what its advantages are (and your answer about
the automatic archiving/searching/whatever helped me understand) was
that I had not seen that it was easier than just writing your stuff on
your own webpages.

Step 1:  The Creation
Your own webpage:  log on to your server, go to your public_html or
whatever directory, create a new file named something like blog.html,
and set the permissions (if the default for that directory makes that
necessary).
Blogger:  go via your browser (once you've caught on that it won't let
you use your regular browser and have retried with IE) to the blogger
website, establish a user-id and password, choose a title for your blog,
write a short description of it, and choose a layout from a bunch of
them offered.

Step 2: Writing Stuff
Your own webpage:  log on to your server, go to your public_html or
whatever directory, vi blog.html or whatever you've named it, write your
stuff.
Blogger:  go via IE to the blogger website, log on using the user-id and
password you've established, write your stuff in the box provided, click
on "post and publish" (or something like that) when you've finished.

The difference between writing on blogger and writing on your own
webpage:  Not really any, except that in establishing the file
originally you don't have to add things like <TITLE>, <BODY>, etc. at
the top or </BODY>, </HTML> at the end.  Everyting else is the same,
though.  Like if you want to have your blog say "Hey, I like this url:
http://www.flubergonk.org/meebers.html," you would in either case write
the Hey sentence, put a <BR> after it, and then write the <A HREF>
coding and the url with the </A> after it.

After adding something, you would on your own webpage simply hit :wq and
be done with it.  It would be there doing its thing.  On blogger, you
click on "post and publish" and wait for it to appear.

Overall, I'd say that the processes are about the same in how much
trouble they are, with perhaps a slight edge to doing it on your own
webpage instead of doing it on blogger.

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What a nuisance my Dell laptop is being. Or is it Windows? I have to play
with it forever to get it to read the D drive - and it won't read a DVD,
as my Titanium does. Is there some way to get it to read a DVD?


Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

>  - and it won't read a DVD,
> as my Titanium does. Is there some way to get it to read a DVD?

Wouldn't that depend on whether it has a DVD drive?

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>>  - and it won't read a DVD,
>> as my Titanium does. Is there some way to get it to read a DVD?
>
>Wouldn't that depend on whether it has a DVD drive?

I don't know. That's why I asked. My Titanium has a single CD-ROM type
drive that reads both. I don't know whether that is necessarily a
hardware or a software issue.

The Dell was a univ. freebie, and until recently, I had planned to begin
teaching from it next Fall. But I may use it only for those few software
programs I run that have to run on a WIndows machine and go ahead and buy
a new Mac of some sort to teach from.

Bethany

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02003-04-26 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> You are a geek.  Perhaps skill wasn't the best word.  You will
> never know what it takes non-geeks to get this stuff to work.

Never say never ... actually I have taught a lot of "non-geeks" this
exact same stuff. I think "it's too hard" is a convenient compromise,
that's all. Typically, "non-geeks" find knowledge of the lower level
simplifying. Time to ditch the idea of congenital geekness anyway...

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Saturday, April 26, 2003, 3:47:47 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>>  - and it won't read a DVD,
>>> as my Titanium does. Is there some way to get it to read a DVD?
>>
>>Wouldn't that depend on whether it has a DVD drive?

> I don't know. That's why I asked. My Titanium has a single CD-ROM type
> drive that reads both. I don't know whether that is necessarily a
> hardware or a software issue.

It's both. You need to look up the type of drive and find out what it
is. If it IS a DVD/CD-ROM drive, then you need to find out about
drivers and software.

Karen

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On 26 Apr 2003 at 16:47, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> I don't know. That's why I asked. My Titanium has a single CD-ROM type
> drive that reads both. I don't know whether that is necessarily a
> hardware or a software issue.

It is first of all a hardware issue. The newest laptops from Dell,
Toshiba, and others all include DVD-capable drives, but an older
machine may not.

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>
> What a nuisance my Dell laptop is being. Or is it Windows? I have to play
> with it forever to get it to read the D drive - and it won't read a DVD,
> as my Titanium does. Is there some way to get it to read a DVD?
>
>
> Bethany
>

Perhaps it hasn't got a DVD drive. Mine doesn't. Mine also didn't have a
FireWire, which I needed for my iPod. Last night, I installed a FireWire.
And synched up my iPod (an Xmas gift). If you ask others to do it for
you....well, let's just say, that even when others volunteer, you're usually
better off doing it yourself. It was my first time opening up a processor
and installing a card....no complaints, it was easy and went well the first
time round.

Sandra

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02003-04-26 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Step 1:  The Creation
> Your own webpage:  log on to your server, go to your public_html or
> whatever directory, create a new file named something like blog.html,
> and set the permissions (if the default for that directory makes that
> necessary).
> Blogger:  go via your browser (once you've caught on that it won't let
> you use your regular browser and have retried with IE) to the blogger
> website, establish a user-id and password, choose a title for your blog,
> write a short description of it, and choose a layout from a bunch of
> them offered.

Try this on a few people. They will NOT understand that these are the
same amount of complexity. The reason will be because they haven't heard
you. (As I said, this has only happened in the last ten years, by the
way ... nobody used to have problems creating and moving files when
Unix was the norm on campus. Complete klutzes from the "Committee on
Social Thought" emailed each other about files they had put up on FTP
etc, from the command line. I don't know who is to blame for the idea
that this is too complicated for the "common man"--ultimately, probably
Apple, bastards--but mainly AOL and other vanguards of the inter-web
revolution ...)

> Step 2: Writing Stuff
> Your own webpage:  log on to your server, go to your public_html or
> whatever directory, vi blog.html or whatever you've named it, write your
> stuff.
> Blogger:  go via IE to the blogger website, log on using the user-id and
> password you've established, write your stuff in the box provided, click
> on "post and publish" (or something like that) when you've finished.
>
> The difference between writing on blogger and writing on your own
> webpage:  Not really any, except that in establishing the file
> originally you don't have to add things like <TITLE>, <BODY>, etc. at
> the top or </BODY>, </HTML> at the end.

Nope. The difference is, you can grow with vi, since it is a kick-ass
editor. It, or that editor on VMS I used to use, etc are clearly written
by engineers who had respect for the user. IE widgets are not.

I'll tell you the current meaning of software being "easy": whatever
makes for a smaller tech support budget is "easy". It doesn't matter
that users have to go through the same pains of hell every time to
accomplish the simplest things, regardless how experienced they are.
But it is essential to have a thousand prompts, icons, alert boxes,
wizards and paper clips.

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Saul Landau doesn't mince words:
http://www.counterpunch.org/landau04262003.html

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> I'll tell you the current meaning of software being "easy": whatever
> makes for a smaller tech support budget is "easy". It doesn't matter
> that users have to go through the same pains of hell every time to
> accomplish the simplest things, regardless how experienced they are.
> But it is essential to have a thousand prompts, icons, alert boxes,
> wizards and paper clips.

This reminds me of when I went to a meeting to learn about WebCT four or
five years ago.  I found it enormously klutzy.  It was indeed full of
prompts, icons, etc., and it would not let you do simple html editing of
anything.  It was mightily frustrating.  I felt totally boxed in.

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> I carefully did
> address-changes for everything important, but all kinds of junk mail she
> got has magically changed to my address.  One thing is that she donated
> to any charity that asked her to.  She is therefore on everybody's
> mailing list.

I did the same thing for Grampa's mail - it was forwarded to me for a while.

I get all kinds of charity stuff..most annoying is the Easter Seals stuff
with no phone number inside it to call and say "take him off your mailing
list."

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> I get all kinds of charity stuff..most annoying is the Easter Seals stuff
> with no phone number inside it to call and say "take him off your mailing
> list."

I've never thought about calling and asking to be removed.  Maybe I
should get a stack of postcards and reply to junk mail asking to take me
(or my mother) off the lists.  I am *still* getting holy-roller mail
from Gospel Somethingorother from many years ago when I made a
contribution to this place when a colleague's father died -- since it
was on the list of places the father cared about.  Ditto I'm still
getting lavish magazines from Agnes Scott because of a contribution in
memory of a colleague's mother.  Etc. etc.

Unrelated to any of the above -- Spencer had a good time at the pet
parade this morning.  He didn't win any prizes, but many people
commented on how nice he is and how expressive his face is.  He and I
made a quick loop around the festival itself after the parade, speaking
to various people.  I then brought him home and went back alone for
another couple of hours.  It was fun except that the weather was way too
cold for this time of year.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Which mail programs do y'all use (popmail), and why do you like them?
If I do end up having to give up Netscape at some point, I want to know
what to consider.  I've got Eudora (the adful kind) and hate it.  The
screen is cluttered (even would be without the ads), and the
reading/writing box too small.  I like that Netscape can be full
screen.  (I haven't experimented much with Eudora -- maybe I could make
the reading/writing box much bigger -- my quick experimenting with it
did not have good results.)  It's been a long time since I've tried
Pegasus.  Is it still out there?  What else?  They don't have to be
free.  I'm willing to pay if it's something I really would like to use
(though shareware would be my preference for a paying one so that I
could try it before committing/paying).
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 05:53 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > I get all kinds of charity stuff..most annoying is the Easter Seals stuff
> > with no phone number inside it to call and say "take him off your mailing
> > list."
>
>I've never thought about calling and asking to be removed.  Maybe I
>should get a stack of postcards and reply to junk mail asking to take me
>(or my mother) off the lists.  I am *still* getting holy-roller mail
>from Gospel Somethingorother from many years ago when I made a
>contribution to this place when a colleague's father died -- since it
>was on the list of places the father cared about.  Ditto I'm still
>getting lavish magazines from Agnes Scott because of a contribution in
>memory of a colleague's mother.  Etc. etc.
>
>Unrelated to any of the above -- Spencer had a good time at the pet
>parade this morning.  He didn't win any prizes, but many people
>commented on how nice he is and how expressive his face is.  He and I
>made a quick loop around the festival itself after the parade, speaking
>to various people.  I then brought him home and went back alone for
>another couple of hours.  It was fun except that the weather was way too
>cold for this time of year.

What was good to eat?

Betty

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Saturday, April 26, 2003, 5:59:25 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Which mail programs do y'all use (popmail), and why do you like them?

The Bat!

I like it because of the name.

Karen

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>It's both. You need to look up the type of drive and find out what it
>is. If it IS a DVD/CD-ROM drive, then you need to find out about
>drivers and software.

Thanks. One of my frustrations right now is that I can't figure out how
to look up such info on the Dell - on any Mac, I can go to Apple System
Profiler and get such info immediately. Is there any way to do this on a
Windows machine? I cannot find a <Dell System Profiler> or anything
similar.

Bethany

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, S Hess wrote:

>Perhaps it hasn't got a DVD drive. Mine doesn't. Mine also didn't have a
>FireWire, which I needed for my iPod. Last night, I installed a FireWire.
>And synched up my iPod (an Xmas gift). If you ask others to do it for
>you....well, let's just say, that even when others volunteer, you're usually
>better off doing it yourself. It was my first time opening up a processor
>and installing a card....no complaints, it was easy and went well the first
>time round.

That's encouraging - thanks. The CD-ROM drive snaps out, so maybe I can
get a CD-ROM/DVD drive to use instead - if this one is not such a drive.

Bethany

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>(I haven't experimented much with Eudora -- maybe I could make
>the reading/writing box much bigger -- my quick experimenting with it
>did not have good results.)   -- Natalie

I use Eudora with the ads and my writing/reading box is huge, about 8/10 of
the screen.  Nice big, dark font too.  I like it.  I'm satisfied.  I tried
The Bat! for awhile and just about get Betty and myself kicked off of a
list because the software of The Bat! sucked allowing a private message to
get posted to the list.


    --bonniev

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
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> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >It's both. You need to look up the type of drive and find out what it
> >is. If it IS a DVD/CD-ROM drive, then you need to find out about
> >drivers and software.
>
> Thanks. One of my frustrations right now is that I can't figure out how
> to look up such info on the Dell - on any Mac, I can go to Apple System
> Profiler and get such info immediately. Is there any way to do this on a
> Windows machine? I cannot find a <Dell System Profiler> or anything
> similar.

Control Panel/System.  But didn't the computer come with a list of what
it does or doesn't have?  Like whether it has a DVD drive?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> The Bat!
>
> I like it because of the name.

But wasn't it doing something goofy to your mail a while back?  I've got
you associated somehow with Bat! oddness (in no way related to your
house or Batfest -- something about the mail program).  Wish I could
remember what I'm trying to remember.

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> The establishment (or perhaps better, the definition)
> of the DNA double helix can be tied to a date.

No, it can't.  The day either one of them (or
the third guy) came up with the idea?  The day
he or they figured out he/they were right?  The
day they sent the paper off?  The day it was
published?

>Will's date of birth is speculative.

No.

REALLY????????

I suppose the next thing you'll say is that
Jesus wasn't born on 25-Dec.

But that's the <agreed-upon> date.

And spare me your boilerplate response
about fictional characters.

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Which mail programs do y'all use (popmail), and why do you like them?

I prefer Pine most of the time. I use UT's Webmail for attachments
occasionally. Of the popmail programs I have used, I think Pegasus is
best. Unfortunately, UT does not support it. The College of Law does -
lucky them.

Bethany

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Saturday, April 26, 2003, 5:56:14 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Thanks. One of my frustrations right now is that I can't figure out how
> to look up such info on the Dell - on any Mac, I can go to Apple System
> Profiler and get such info immediately. Is there any way to do this on a
> Windows machine? I cannot find a <Dell System Profiler> or anything
> similar.

I have no idea how Dell laptops are configured or what operating
system you're using. My computer tells me about the drives when it
boots up. In Windows 2000, which is what I'm using now, the hardware
wizard will tell you what kind of drive you have. Mine says "HP
CD-Writer+ 9900j". In order to find out that mine also reads DVDs
(which it does), I guess I'd have to go to the HP site.

In Win2K, you get to the Control Panel from  Start>Settings.

Karen

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Saturday, April 26, 2003, 6:06:55 PM, bonniev wrote:
> I use Eudora with the ads and my writing/reading box is huge, about 8/10 of
> the screen.  Nice big, dark font too.  I like it.  I'm satisfied.  I tried
> The Bat! for awhile and just about get Betty and myself kicked off of a
> list because the software of The Bat! sucked allowing a private message to
> get posted to the list.

LOL. I don't think it's The Bat! software that sucked.

Karen

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >Which mail programs do y'all use (popmail), and why do you like them?
>
> I prefer Pine most of the time. I use UT's Webmail for attachments
> occasionally. Of the popmail programs I have used, I think Pegasus is
> best. Unfortunately, UT does not support it. The College of Law does -
> lucky them.

Thanks.  But I don't know what you mean about whether UT or the College
of Law or Whoever <supports> (or doesn't) Pegasus.  What does that
mean?  Like do they forbid you to enter their mailserver info into a
Pegasus setup page?

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> Which mail programs do y'all use (popmail), and why do you like them?
> If I do end up having to give up Netscape at some point, I want to
know
> what to consider.  I've got Eudora (the adful kind) and hate it.  The
> screen is cluttered (even would be without the ads), and the
> reading/writing box too small.  I like that Netscape can be full
> screen.  (I haven't experimented much with Eudora -- maybe I could
make
> the reading/writing box much bigger -- my quick experimenting with it
> did not have good results.)  It's been a long time since I've tried
> Pegasus.  Is it still out there?  What else?  They don't have to be
> free.  I'm willing to pay if it's something I really would like to use
> (though shareware would be my preference for a paying one so that I
> could try it before committing/paying).
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


I use Outlook Express.

        - D. M.

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At 06:20 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Saturday, April 26, 2003, 6:06:55 PM, bonniev wrote:
> > I use Eudora with the ads and my writing/reading box is huge, about 8/10 of
> > the screen.  Nice big, dark font too.  I like it.  I'm satisfied.  I tried
> > The Bat! for awhile and just about get Betty and myself kicked off of a
> > list because the software of The Bat! sucked allowing a private message to
> > get posted to the list.
>
>LOL. I don't think it's The Bat! software that sucked.

  I replied to Bonnie and it went to her and to the list. I was telling her
that a woman was nucking futs! It was  how she had something set.  She had
the same thing happen on this list but it was a nice personal e-mail.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >(I haven't experimented much with Eudora -- maybe I could make
> >the reading/writing box much bigger -- my quick experimenting with it
> >did not have good results.)   -- Natalie
>
> I use Eudora with the ads and my writing/reading box is huge, about 8/10 of
> the screen.  Nice big, dark font too.  I like it.  I'm satisfied.

The ads don't bother you?  I've found that I want to swat them.  If I
decide on Eudora, I will probably pay them for the adless version.
Actually, when I downloaded the Eudora I now have, I thought there were
three choices and that the one I was choosing was the old Eudora-Lite --
free but adless.  My understanding back whenever I did that was that you
could get adless Lite free or adful Heavy free or adless Heavy for
money.  I chose free Lite but somehow ended up with free adfulness.

But thanks for the window-size info.  I will experiment.  And thanks for
TheBat! comments.  Somehow I have not had the feeling I'd want to go
with it.  Can't remember specifics.  Just vague anti-Bat! vibes.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>  I replied to Bonnie and it went to her and to the list. I was telling her
>that a woman was nucking futs! It was  how she had something set.  She had
>the same thing happen on this list but it was a nice personal e-mail.

Yes, and unlike words-l, that other list had a stated rule forbidding back
channel posts.  Jeez.  We were both outta there.


    --bonniev

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Betty wrote:

> What was good to eat?

Pretty much everything you can imagine was available.  So you will of
course laugh at my choice.  I was looking at the menu of a place
offering "bbq sundaes," which I've heard glowing comments about (no
icecream is involved -- they're just built like sundaes somehow) and
suddenly saw "hotdogs."  I love hotdogs.  So I got a hotdog with slaw on
it.  With a diet coke.  Then I got a vanilla shake elsewhere.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Saturday, April 26, 2003, 6:31:35 PM, Betty wrote:
>   I replied to Bonnie and it went to her and to the list. I was telling her
> that a woman was nucking futs! It was  how she had something set.  She had
> the same thing happen on this list but it was a nice personal e-mail.

The Reply and Reply All buttons are right next to each other, but they
are on most mail programs.

Karen

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> Which mail programs do y'all use (popmail), and why do you like them?

I use the version of Microsoft Outlook that came with Microsoft Office 2000.

I like it because I can set up good filtering rules and good
organize-by-color rules.

I don't like it because I can't prevent the display of HTML, but that has
been rectified in a newer version, or so I hear. I also don't like its
awkward handling of >'s in replies.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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lisa, on her SQL-coding skills:
> made Codd turn in his grave.

No, that'd be some of the Access abominations
I have to clean up at work.

--
Richard                      y'call *that* OT?

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Saturday, April 26, 2003, 6:31:19 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>  I replied to Bonnie and it went to her and to the list. I was telling her
>>that a woman was nucking futs! It was  how she had something set.  She had
>>the same thing happen on this list but it was a nice personal e-mail.

> Yes, and unlike words-l, that other list had a stated rule forbidding back
> channel posts.  Jeez.  We were both outta there.

Sorry. But forbidding backchannel posts is BIZARRE.

Karen

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bonniev wrote:

>>  I replied to Bonnie and it went to her and to the list. I was telling
>> her
>> that a woman was nucking futs! It was  how she had something set.  She
>> had
>> the same thing happen on this list but it was a nice personal e-mail.
>
>
> Yes, and unlike words-l, that other list had a stated rule forbidding back
> channel posts.  Jeez.  We were both outta there.


        Sounds like a Stupid List.




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Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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>The ads don't bother you?  I've found that I want to swat them.

Nope.  Don't bother me at all.  They are down on the bottom left in a one
inch square that I hardly notice.

>TheBat! comments.  Somehow I have not had the feeling I'd want to go
>with it.  Can't remember specifics.  Just vague anti-Bat! vibes.
>  -- Natalie

You probably remember that some wordslers who used The Bat! had their lines
look like this:

bv>doesn't like the bat

Natalie>asked about the bat

But you can change that default.


    --bonniev

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> But wasn't it doing something goofy to your mail a while back?  I've got
> you associated somehow with Bat! oddness (in no way related to your
> house or Batfest -- something about the mail program).  Wish I could
> remember what I'm trying to remember.

I don't like The Bat! simply because of the STUPID initials-in-each-line
game Dan Lester used to play.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Saturday, April 26, 2003, 6:34:24 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> But wasn't it doing something goofy to your mail a while back?  I've got
> you associated somehow with Bat! oddness (in no way related to your
> house or Batfest -- something about the mail program).  Wish I could
> remember what I'm trying to remember.

I couldn't figure out how to configure replies correctly--but right
after everyone on the list gave me suggestions, I found a website that
answered my question. It's far more configurable than other mailers
I've used, but that doesn't say much.

Karen

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At 06:33 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > What was good to eat?
>
>Pretty much everything you can imagine was available.  So you will of
>course laugh at my choice.  I was looking at the menu of a place
>offering "bbq sundaes," which I've heard glowing comments about (no
>icecream is involved -- they're just built like sundaes somehow) and
>suddenly saw "hotdogs."  I love hotdogs.  So I got a hotdog with slaw on
>it.  With a diet coke.  Then I got a vanilla shake elsewhere.

Hey, if that is what you wanted-go for it.  Sometimes a hot dog is very
satisfying.

Betty

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>The Reply and Reply All buttons are right next to each other, but they
>are on most mail programs.
>Karen

I swear to God there was more to it than that.  Because of some setting I
had, lots of people who replied to my list messages found they had written
to me only.  Then I changed something and there were other problems.  It
was complex.  Honest.


    --bonniev

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At 06:34 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Saturday, April 26, 2003, 6:31:35 PM, Betty wrote:
> >   I replied to Bonnie and it went to her and to the list. I was telling her
> > that a woman was nucking futs! It was  how she had something set.  She had
> > the same thing happen on this list but it was a nice personal e-mail.
>
>The Reply and Reply All buttons are right next to each other, but they
>are on most mail programs.
>
>Karen

She wrote to my privately and I was responding privately. Her post didn't
go to the list but mine did.  Weird.

Betty

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Ana's buddy from school, Lexi, was over today.  Lexi is fun
to have over because she's nearly as much of a pistol as
Ana, so she keeps up (other friends can't quite keep up with
Ana and will come to me to seek refuge -- not good when I've
got grading out the wazoo).  Lexi's dad showed up to get
her, and spied my baseball cap signed by Yaz, and we got to
talking.  Turns out he's another Masschusetts-ite, and that
we grew up not too far from each other.  What was really fun
is that we both dropped into our accents for a few minutes.
  That just felt good.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 06:35 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Saturday, April 26, 2003, 6:31:19 PM, bonniev wrote:
> >>  I replied to Bonnie and it went to her and to the list. I was telling her
> >>that a woman was nucking futs! It was  how she had something set.  She had
> >>the same thing happen on this list but it was a nice personal e-mail.
>
> > Yes, and unlike words-l, that other list had a stated rule forbidding back
> > channel posts.  Jeez.  We were both outta there.
>
>Sorry. But forbidding backchannel posts is BIZARRE.

No kidding.

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Thanks.  But I don't know what you mean about whether UT or the College
>of Law or Whoever <supports> (or doesn't) Pegasus.  What does that
>mean?  Like do they forbid you to enter their mailserver info into a
>Pegasus setup page?

UT offers no software support for Pegasus. The College of Law does. (I
don't know what your last question means - I don't know how to enter
mailserver info into anything as far as I know.)

Bethany

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> I once knew a poodle who loved watching tv.

Earl liked listening to me run through
lines.  No kidding.

--
Richard                      y'call *that* OT?

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At 06:35 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>bonniev wrote:
>
>>>  I replied to Bonnie and it went to her and to the list. I was telling
>>>her
>>>that a woman was nucking futs! It was  how she had something set.  She
>>>had
>>>the same thing happen on this list but it was a nice personal e-mail.
>>
>>
>>Yes, and unlike words-l, that other list had a stated rule forbidding back
>>channel posts.  Jeez.  We were both outta there.
>
>
>        Sounds like a Stupid List.

And boring.  I got chastised for my language and not changing the subject
header.  I was really bad.

Betty

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>And boring.  I got chastised for my language and not changing the subject
>header.  I was really bad.      --Betty

But when we were caught back-channeling, we were considered such valuable
assets to the list that they forgave us with a warning and a
chastisement.   Ha !


    --bonniev

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> Ana's buddy from school, Lexi, was over today.  Lexi is fun
> to have over because she's nearly as much of a pistol as
> Ana, so she keeps up (other friends can't quite keep up with
> Ana and will come to me to seek refuge -- not good when I've
> got grading out the wazoo).  Lexi's dad showed up to get
> her, and spied my baseball cap signed by Yaz, and we got to
> talking.  Turns out he's another Masschusetts-ite, and that
                                        ^^^^


                                Jesus.  I do know how to spell Massachusetts.



>
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Well, I never!

I lost the damn game because BW
insists that "duh" is not a word.

              - D. M.

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Adam:
> I read about his death in The Register; does that help?

I was just doing a weird-response-to-Tushar
thing.  I found out about it on a database
discussion list.

All that's in the local paper at this time
of year is Jazzfest.

Guess how I found out about Richard Stevens
dying.

--
Richard                      y'call *that* OT?

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Jeez.  You're still playing that old worn out game.  Come play
Scrabble.  It's more fun.  You can actually win.

>Well, I never!
>
>I lost the damn game because BW
>insists that "duh" is not a word.
>              - D. M.

    --bonniev

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Bandwidth Betty:
>I got chastised for my language and not changing
>the subject header.  I was really bad.

Anybody ever ask you about trimming text?

--
...this is not (really) a wiseass remark.

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again, all around wrote:

> Bandwidth Betty:
>
>>I got chastised for my language and not changing
>>the subject header.  I was really bad.
>>
>
> Anybody ever ask you about trimming text?
>
> --
> ...this is not (really) a wiseass remark.


        It is so.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Rita:
> > ...this is not (really) a wiseass remark.
>         It is so.

That's why I added the (really).  It's
an honest question as well as a wiseass
remark.

Have you been drinking?

--
Richard                      y'call *that* OT?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> In Win2K, you get to the Control Panel from  Start>Settings.

Also in the various Wins I use or have used (though I've always created
a shortcut to CP that sits on the desktop -- oh barf, oh barf, oh barf
-- how I hate to hear myself <talking the talk> -- things sitting on the
desktop, etc -- oh how I miss the nice, clean old days of DOS and
Desqview -- and no, I don't know why I don't find the name Desqview
offensive the way I find things like desktops and cutting/pasting etc
offensive).

That part in parentheses was a digression.  I am wont to digress, as I
think I've said before.  Anyway, I'm currently using XP, in which you
can get to the CP from Start/Settings if you haven't created a CP
shortcut.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Betty wrote:

> At 06:35 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> bonniev wrote:
>>
>>>>  I replied to Bonnie and it went to her and to the list. I was telling
>>>> her
>>>> that a woman was nucking futs! It was  how she had something set.  She
>>>> had
>>>> the same thing happen on this list but it was a nice personal e-mail.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, and unlike words-l, that other list had a stated rule forbidding
>>> back
>>> channel posts.  Jeez.  We were both outta there.
>>
>>
>>
>>        Sounds like a Stupid List.
>
>
> And boring.  I got chastised for my language and not changing the subject
> header.  I was really bad.


        You'll go straight to hell for that sort of business, BB.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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> I was just doing a weird-response-to-Tushar
> thing.  I found out about it on a database
> discussion list.
>
> All that's in the local paper at this time
> of year is Jazzfest.

The Register is an online tech newsletter. http://www.theregister.co.uk.

> Guess how I found out about Richard Stevens
> dying.

Would "Who?" or "How?" be more appropriate? :)

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I use Outlook Express.

There are certain lines I will not cross. :-)  But thank you for your
input.  (My line about Outlook Express, btw, isn't really just an
anti-Gatesian thing.  After all, I do use various of his products.  I
didn't like OE when I played with it very briefly on my office computer
in Japan -- my home computer there was a Macinshit running Eudora Lite.
And OE does seem to be a magnet for viruses.)

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Betty wrote:

> > > list because the software of The Bat! sucked allowing a private message to
> > > get posted to the list.
> >
> >LOL. I don't think it's The Bat! software that sucked.
>
>   I replied to Bonnie and it went to her and to the list. I was telling her
> that a woman was nucking futs! It was  how she had something set.  She had
> the same thing happen on this list but it was a nice personal e-mail.

I don't get this.  How could Bonnie's settings make your reply go
somewhere you didn't mean for it to go?

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> Jeez.  You're still playing that old worn out game.  Come play
> Scrabble.  It's more fun.  You can actually win.
>
> >Well, I never!
> >
> >I lost the damn game because BW
> >insists that "duh" is not a word.
> >              - D. M.
>
>     --bonniev

I would like to play scrabble, but
1.  I don't know how you do it online
2.  I don't have much time to commit
3.  I've read too much about certain
    cut-throat list players
4.  I'm trying out my new George Foreman
5.  The asparagus is almost done.

              - D. M.

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Adam, with a URL:
> The Register is an online tech newsletter.

Ah!  I'll check it out, thanks.  I thought
it was your local paper.

...and on R.Stevens:
> Would "Who?" or "How?" be more appropriate? :)

He was a writer guy who could _really_ make
Unix <logical>.

--
Richard                      y'call *that* OT?

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>
> > I use Outlook Express.
>
> There are certain lines I will not cross. :-)  But thank you for your
> input.  (My line about Outlook Express, btw, isn't really just an
> anti-Gatesian thing.  After all, I do use various of his products.  I
> didn't like OE when I played with it very briefly on my office
computer
> in Japan -- my home computer there was a Macinshit running Eudora
Lite.
> And OE does seem to be a magnet for viruses.)
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Well, I don't have a problem with viruses, and I did
grow to like OE, even though I used to use Eudora
(before all the advertising).  Right now I don't have
a complaint about OE.

            - D., M.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >Thanks.  But I don't know what you mean about whether UT or the College
> >of Law or Whoever <supports> (or doesn't) Pegasus.  What does that
> >mean?  Like do they forbid you to enter their mailserver info into a
> >Pegasus setup page?
>
> UT offers no software support for Pegasus. The College of Law does.

I don't know what "software support for Pegasus" means.  I'm way too
non-techy to know exactly what software is necessary on a server to
interact with softwares on PCs, but I'm pretty sure that any server that
allows popmail is not going to care which popmail program you're using.
Or by "support" do you mean they don't send somebody to your office to
download Pegasus for you and tell you how to use it?  Like you don't
know how to download it yourself?

> (I
> don't know what your last question means - I don't know how to enter
> mailserver info into anything as far as I know.)

Hmmm.  I think this answers my last question above.  How do you manage
at home?  Do UT computer people come to your house to set things up for
you?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>I have no idea how Dell laptops are configured or what operating
>system you're using. My computer tells me about the drives when it
>boots up. In Windows 2000, which is what I'm using now, the hardware
>wizard will tell you what kind of drive you have. Mine says "HP
>CD-Writer+ 9900j". In order to find out that mine also reads DVDs
>(which it does), I guess I'd have to go to the HP site.
>
>In Win2K, you get to the Control Panel from  Start>Settings.

Thanks. I knew how to get to the control panel; I jusy did not find it
very helfpul. Finally, after about 30 minutes of searching, I got the name
of the drive (a TEAC CD-224E), which is described on the Dell as a
DVD/CD-ROM drive. It is NOT. I searched google and discovered that it
is NOT a DVD drive. But now I see a solution - I can simply get one.

How do you find the <hardware wizard>? I have not seen him yet.

Bethany

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Control Panel/System.

Not extremely useful (at least as compared to an Apple System Profiler
on a Mac).

>But didn't the computer come with a list of what >it does or doesn't
have?  Like whether it has a DVD drive?

No. I received the components in several packages together with a sheet I
had to sign saying I had received it. Period.

Bethany

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again, all around wrote:

> Rita:
>
>>>...this is not (really) a wiseass remark.
>>>
>>        It is so.
>>
>
> That's why I added the (really).  It's
> an honest question as well as a wiseass
> remark.
>
> Have you been drinking?


        Yes.  It brings down my bp.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 07:30 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Scrabble doesn't accept "duh" either.  But I would've thought BW would.
>It's quite permiscuous in what it allows.

On line scrabble does.  Wanna play?

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> Meanwhile, I was thinking about you when glancing at a headline in the
> sports section of the Starkville paper recently about our having signed
> some track (I think it was track) stars from Missouri.  They weren't
> from your school, but I was wondering about your student who was
> considering MSU for football (I think it was football).  He's a junior,
> right?  So that decision will be next year?


        He would be, but I messed that up by failing him last
semester.  And I'm not sure he'll pass my class this
semester, either.

        Our players are pretty hot this year since they won State.
Go Statesmen!

        What schools are the track stars from?  Do you remember?



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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cactus juice...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Betty" <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
> At 06:41 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:
>
> What are you drinking?
>
> Betty

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> How are you cooking your asparagus?  Do you have an upright asparagus
> cooker?  I love mine.  I ordered it from Leaping Larry Bean.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie

No I don't.  Just in a pan, briefly, with
a little water.

              - D. M.

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>
> I just might surprise you by being open-minded enough to try it for a
> while.  But I'm not sure where one finds it.  Is it free?  Is it
> downloadable from Microshit's web site?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Check it out.  Don't know.
Came with my computer.

         - D. M.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> I use the version of Microsoft Outlook that came with Microsoft Office 2000.

You and Doris can sit together in the back of the room with your faces
against the wall.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 06:48 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
>>At 06:35 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>bonniev wrote:
>>>
>>>>>  I replied to Bonnie and it went to her and to the list. I was telling
>>>>>her
>>>>>that a woman was nucking futs! It was  how she had something set.  She
>>>>>had
>>>>>the same thing happen on this list but it was a nice personal e-mail.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes, and unlike words-l, that other list had a stated rule forbidding
>>>>back
>>>>channel posts.  Jeez.  We were both outta there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>        Sounds like a Stupid List.
>>
>>
>>And boring.  I got chastised for my language and not changing the subject
>>header.  I was really bad.
>
>
>        You'll go straight to hell for that sort of business, BB.

I wasn't repentant either.

Betty

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >The ads don't bother you?  I've found that I want to swat them.
>
> Nope.  Don't bother me at all.  They are down on the bottom left in a one
> inch square that I hardly notice.

I obviously need to experiment some more.  My (limited) experiences have
been that ads popped up in inconvenient places and that if I tried to
push them aside, I got <rude remarks> about trying to hide the ads.

> You probably remember that some wordslers who used The Bat! had their lines
> look like this:
>
> bv>doesn't like the bat
>
> Natalie>asked about the bat
>
> But you can change that default.

Yes!  It had to do with Dan Lester, iirc.  But that feature doesn't seem
enough to have turned me off totally to it.  Maybe you said something
negative about it on the list.

--
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At 06:53 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:
>Bandwidth Betty:
> >I got chastised for my language and not changing
> >the subject header.  I was really bad.
>
>Anybody ever ask you about trimming text?
>
>--
>...this is not (really) a wiseass remark.

Yes, that, too.  I usually try to do that actually.  Sorry.
Betty

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At 07:04 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I don't get this.  How could Bonnie's settings make your reply go
>somewhere you didn't mean for it to go?

I don't know but it was all her fault. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Yes, and unlike words-l, that other list had a stated rule forbidding back
> > channel posts.  Jeez.  We were both outta there.
>
> Sorry. But forbidding backchannel posts is BIZARRE.

It struck me as a bit control-freakish or something.

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Karen Kay wrote:
[re Bat!]

>  It's far more configurable than other mailers
> I've used, but that doesn't say much.

I like Netscape Mail.  It seems highly configurable and neat and clean
and pleasant.  If any of you have used it (oh -- I should add that I
mean 4.7 or below -- it was horrible in 6.x), can you recommend
something that behaves similarly?

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I like that story!  All of it.

Meanwhile, I was thinking about you when glancing at a headline in the
sports section of the Starkville paper recently about our having signed
some track (I think it was track) stars from Missouri.  They weren't
from your school, but I was wondering about your student who was
considering MSU for football (I think it was football).  He's a junior,
right?  So that decision will be next year?

And speaking of sports, I noticed in today's paper that one of our
female basketball players was the #1 pick in the whole country for the
women's pro basketball league.  Go Dawgs!

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"again, all around" wrote:

> But that's the <agreed-upon> date.

Because he died upon it.  (I assume you're talking about Will here, not
Jesus.)

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I don't know what "software support for Pegasus" means.  I'm way too
>non-techy to know exactly what software is necessary on a server to
>interact with softwares on PCs, but I'm pretty sure that any server that
>allows popmail is not going to care which popmail program you're using.
>Or by "support" do you mean they don't send somebody to your office to
>download Pegasus for you and tell you how to use it?

No - I mean that no support is available if glitches occur. I cannot call
anyone at UT and ask about a problem.

Like you don't >know how to download it yourself?

Downloading has not yet presented me with any problems.

>Hmmm.  I think this answers my last question above.  How do you manage
>at home?  Do UT computer people come to your house to set things up for
>you?

Manage what? No, UT computer people have never been to my home.

Bethany

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Betty wrote:

> Hey, if that is what you wanted-go for it.  Sometimes a hot dog is very
> satisfying.

I've always liked hotdogs.  As a child, I couldn't understand why
somebody would prefer a hamburger to a hotdog.  I guess I like that
nasty organ meat or whatever it is that hotdogs are said to be made of.

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At 06:41 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:

What are you drinking?

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
> [re Bat!]
>
>
>> It's far more configurable than other mailers
>>I've used, but that doesn't say much.
>>
>
> I like Netscape Mail.  It seems highly configurable and neat and clean
> and pleasant.  If any of you have used it (oh -- I should add that I
> mean 4.7 or below -- it was horrible in 6.x), can you recommend
> something that behaves similarly?


        No, I still use it, both at home and at work.



--
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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> Well, I never!
>
> I lost the damn game because BW
> insists that "duh" is not a word.

Scrabble doesn't accept "duh" either.  But I would've thought BW would.
It's quite permiscuous in what it allows.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I would like to play scrabble, but
> 1.  I don't know how you do it online
> 2.  I don't have much time to commit
> 3.  I've read too much about certain
>     cut-throat list players
> 4.  I'm trying out my new George Foreman
> 5.  The asparagus is almost done.

I sprang for a real for-cost computer scrabble four or five years ago
and have not regretted it at all.  I think it has net/interactive
capabilities, but I've never tried to activate them.  I just play
against the computer from time to time.  And I don't like to do serious
things like try to figure out how many letters are left or whatever.  I
like just mindlessly playing right before going to bed at night or other
such times.

How are you cooking your asparagus?  Do you have an upright asparagus
cooker?  I love mine.  I ordered it from Leaping Larry Bean.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Well, I don't have a problem with viruses, and I did
> grow to like OE, even though I used to use Eudora
> (before all the advertising).  Right now I don't have
> a complaint about OE.

I just might surprise you by being open-minded enough to try it for a
while.  But I'm not sure where one finds it.  Is it free?  Is it
downloadable from Microshit's web site?

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        Whiskey sours.

Betty wrote:

> At 06:41 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:
>
> What are you drinking?
>
> Betty
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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I think I'll fix another.  Cheers!

Betty

At 08:37 PM 4/26/2003 -0400, Alan Wild wrote:
>cactus juice...
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Betty" <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
> > At 06:41 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:
> >
> > What are you drinking?
> >
> > Betty

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> > I lost the damn game because BW
> > insists that "duh" is not a word.
>
> Scrabble doesn't accept "duh" either.  But I would've thought BW
would.
> It's quite permiscuous in what it allows.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Not like it was.  It no longer recognizes
most "dirty" words.  Somebody went
over their list with a big red pencil.

                     - D. M.

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It's been a long time since I have had one of those. I'm doing tequila and
ruby red grapefruit juice.

Betty

At 07:39 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
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>
>Betty wrote:
>
>>At 06:41 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:
>>
>>What are you drinking?
>>
>>Betty

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Why won't the desktop icons stay where you put them? Every time I turn the
Dell off, the trash can (<Recycle Bin>) moves back to its original
position.

Bethany

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> I think I'll fix another.  Cheers!
>
> Betty

Scotch here.  But finished.
Time to eat.

          - D. M.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

>>Do we also have to write something on the
>>blackboard over and over?
>>
>
> I was just thinking we'd giggle, pass notes, and blow bubbles in our gum.


        Out in the hall please.  Five minutes.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> Do we also have to write something on the
> blackboard over and over?

I was just thinking we'd giggle, pass notes, and blow bubbles in our gum.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> No - I mean that no support is available if glitches occur. I cannot call
> anyone at UT and ask about a problem.

Why would you need to call somebody at UT?  IMFTAOTL.  Actually, I can't
remember ever having run into what I would call glitches with mail
software.  I might have questions about preferable settings or whatever,
but I'd either trial-and-error it or AOTL.

--
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > I use the version of Microsoft Outlook that came with Microsoft
Office 2000.
>
> You and Doris can sit together in the back of the room with your faces
> against the wall.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Do we also have to write something on the
blackboard over and over?

             - D. M.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > I like Netscape Mail.  It seems highly configurable and neat and clean
> > and pleasant.  If any of you have used it (oh -- I should add that I
> > mean 4.7 or below -- it was horrible in 6.x), can you recommend
> > something that behaves similarly?
>
>         No, I still use it, both at home and at work.

But you use a version higher than 4.7, iirc.  And you like it?  I hated
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tied to my Netscape Mail, which I love.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > considering MSU for football (I think it was football).  He's a junior,
> > right?  So that decision will be next year?
>
>         He would be, but I messed that up by failing him last
> semester.  And I'm not sure he'll pass my class this
> semester, either.

That is good.  For him, I mean.

>         What schools are the track stars from?  Do you remember?

No, I don't.  And I no longer have that newspaper.  Actually, stuff like
that might be on the web pages of the various athletic teams.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> No - I mean that no support is available if glitches occur. I cannot call
>> anyone at UT and ask about a problem.
>
>Why would you need to call somebody at UT?  IMFTAOTL.  Actually, I can't
>remember ever having run into what I would call glitches with mail
>software.  I might have questions about preferable settings or whatever,
>but I'd either trial-and-error it or AOTL.

During the time that I used Pegasus, I had occasion to need to ask
questions a couple of times. Where else would I call somebody for free?
More importantly, my students sometimes run into problems - I want help to
be available.

Bethany

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On Saturday, April 26, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I don't get this.  How could Bonnie's settings make your reply go
> somewhere you didn't mean for it to go?

If she changed her Reply-To settings...

Karen

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Betty wrote:
> >Scrabble doesn't accept "duh" either.  But I would've thought BW would.
> >It's quite permiscuous in what it allows.
>
> On line scrabble does.  Wanna play?

Ha!  You saw the PER above and thought you'd have an easy victim.  I
also noticed it and found it interesting since it seems like something I
might do as a joke spelling, but I didn't -- as in I have no memory of
thinking "it would be funny to spell it that way."  It was real.

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Saturday, April 26, 2003, 6:59:26 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> How do you find the <hardware wizard>? I have not seen him yet.

Add/Remove hardware. If you choose troubleshoot hardware, the first
thing it tells you is whatchoo got.

Karen

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At 07:59 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Saturday, April 26, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > I don't get this.  How could Bonnie's settings make your reply go
> > somewhere you didn't mean for it to go?
>
>If she changed her Reply-To settings...

A dangerous thing.

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Saturday, April 26, 2003, 7:40:22 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Why won't the desktop icons stay where you put them? Every time I turn the
> Dell off, the trash can (<Recycle Bin>) moves back to its original
> position.

Did you ever say what operating system you're using?

Karen

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On Saturday, April 26, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 07:59 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Saturday, April 26, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > I don't get this.  How could Bonnie's settings make your reply go
>> > somewhere you didn't mean for it to go?
>>
>>If she changed her Reply-To settings...

> A dangerous thing.

Yes, when you don't understand the consequences.

Karen

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> Why won't the desktop icons stay where you put them? Every time I turn the
> Dell off, the trash can (<Recycle Bin>) moves back to its original
> position.

I don't know, but I do know that's not a <feature> of Dell, nor of any
of the various Winshit os's I've used.  I had a Dell for a good while,
running Win95 and then Win98, and that didn't happen with my icons on
it.  Nor has it ever happened with my various other Winshit computers.

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> > Do we also have to write something on the
> > blackboard over and over?
>
> I was just thinking we'd giggle, pass notes, and blow bubbles in our
gum.
>
> --Adam

Do you know how to put your thumbs in
your ears and wiggle your fingers?

                 - D. M.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > Do we also have to write something on the
> > blackboard over and over?
>
> I was just thinking we'd giggle, pass notes, and blow bubbles in our gum.

My mail is out of order, but I'm guessing that the >> above is from
Doris.  No, you will not be allowed to write on the blackboard at all
since you're at the back of the room, out of sight.  But you will indeed
have to write over and over in your notebooks "I will not use Outlook
Express."  And, in answer to what Adam said, you will be sent to The
Office if you giggle or pass notes or blow bubbles.

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>>I don't get this.  How could Bonnie's settings make your reply go
>>somewhere you didn't mean for it to go?
>
>I don't know but it was all her fault. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
>Betty

And I agree.  So who are these people to change our minds??!


    --bonniev

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Not like it was.  It no longer recognizes
> most "dirty" words.  Somebody went
> over their list with a big red pencil.

Sad.  It was fun to realize that words like cum were fine on BW.  Not
anymore?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>I like Netscape Mail.  It seems highly configurable and neat and clean
>>>and pleasant.  If any of you have used it (oh -- I should add that I
>>>mean 4.7 or below -- it was horrible in 6.x), can you recommend
>>>something that behaves similarly?
>>>
>>        No, I still use it, both at home and at work.
>>
>
> But you use a version higher than 4.7, iirc.  And you like it?  I hated
> the 6.2 I tried.  Do you use Netscape as your browser?  That's really
> what got me started thinking about this topic -- our recent discussions
> of the problems with sticking to Netscape 4.7 as a browser.  But it's
> tied to my Netscape Mail, which I love.


        No, at school I use 4.7 (the computer on my desk is really
old) and at home I use 6.2.  I didn't like 6.2 at first, but
now I'm used to it and I go back and forth between the two
no problem.  I use Netscape for my browser.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Why won't the desktop icons stay where you put them? Every time I turn the
>> Dell off, the trash can (<Recycle Bin>) moves back to its original
>> position.
>
>Did you ever say what operating system you're using?

No - It's Windows 2000.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> During the time that I used Pegasus, I had occasion to need to ask
> questions a couple of times. Where else would I call somebody for free?

I've always asked all such questions online -- mainly on Words-L, but
even without Words-L, there are other people I might ask.  I asked FWP
lots of questions before Words-L existed.

> More importantly, my students sometimes run into problems - I want help to
> be available.

What do your students have to do with it?  I thought we were talking
about your personal choice of a mail program, not something you would
expect your students to use.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > How are you cooking your asparagus?  Do you have an upright asparagus
> > cooker?  I love mine.  I ordered it from Leaping Larry Bean.

> No I don't.  Just in a pan, briefly, with
> a little water.

You should explore a LLB asparagus-cooker.  The only problem is that I'm
never quite sure how to empty the cooked asparagus from the vertical
cooker when it's ready.  Since I often serve asparagus at dinner parties
(as in often when I have such parties -- not that I have such parties
often), it has become my standard procedure to say to guests who ask if
they can help with anything, "Not until the asparagus is ready.  Then I
will holler a loud 'HELP!' and you can come help me figure out how to
get it from the asparagus-cooker to the serving dish."  That works
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it work.  So on those occasions when I'm cooking it alone, I have
problems.  But that's usually a very small amount, so I can just grab it
out piece by piece.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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>Scrabble doesn't accept "duh" either.  But I would've thought BW would.
>It's quite permiscuous in what it allows.
>  -- Natalie

The Scrabble dictionary that Betty and I use accepts "duh".


    --bonniev

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        They're good.  They have the right amount of kick and aren't
fussy.

Betty wrote:

> It's been a long time since I have had one of those. I'm doing tequila and
> ruby red grapefruit juice.
>
> Betty
>
> At 07:39 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        Whiskey sours.
>>
>> Betty wrote:
>>
>>> At 06:41 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:
>>>
>>> What are you drinking?
>>>
>>> Betty
>>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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`And the rumour going around was that this had become "just a blogging
conference" - as though bloggers were somehow to tech culture what
furries are to science fiction.' -- NTK Now, about the "Emerging Tech"
conference ...

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Ha ha, "mongueurs" ...

http://paris.mongueurs.net/aplusplus.html

When I started meeting with the "Chicago Perl Mongers", this
is sort of what I thought we would do, and then have a drink
and go home.

Instead, a loud jack-of-all-trades who wouldn't shut up drove
every interested person away and turned it into a welcoming
committee for travelling consultants.

If they meet, they probably talk about how an MS SQL Server
programmer can get a gig with less than 90 minutes' commute.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > I don't get this.  How could Bonnie's settings make your reply go
> > somewhere you didn't mean for it to go?
>
> If she changed her Reply-To settings...

Well, yes.  But it seems mega-bizarre to me to think that Bonnie would
have set her 'reply-to' to go to a list.  And also BB would presumably
see where her reply was going.  (That last part is something that can be
overlooked, of course.  I speak with first-hand experience, having
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bonniev wrote:

> The Scrabble dictionary that Betty and I use accepts "duh".

The dictionary on my computer scrabble claims to be *The* Srabble(tm)
dictionary.  It certainly makes an impressive case.  Where is Maggie?
We need her in such discussions.

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At 08:32 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Well, yes.  But it seems mega-bizarre to me to think that Bonnie would
>have set her 'reply-to' to go to a list.  And also BB would presumably
>see where her reply was going.  (That last part is something that can be
>overlooked, of course.  I speak with first-hand experience, having
>committed that e-oops re Peace-Don on the list back whenever it was.)

It was mega-bizarre. I checked and I was only replying to her.  I went back
and double checked even after I saw it appear on the list.

Betty

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         No, at school I use 4.7 (the computer on my desk is really
> old) and at home I use 6.2.  I didn't like 6.2 at first, but
> now I'm used to it and I go back and forth between the two
> no problem.  I use Netscape for my browser.

I'm feeling encouraged -- encouraged by the fact that you got used to
6.2.  That may mean that when 4.7 Communicator really won't do the
things it needs to do, I can upgrade and can stick with Netscape Mail.

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>bonniev wrote:
> > The Scrabble dictionary that Betty and I use accepts "duh".
>
>The dictionary on my computer scrabble claims to be *The* Srabble(tm)
>dictionary.  It certainly makes an impressive case.  Where is Maggie?
>We need her in such discussions.     -- Natalie

We use SOWPODS which is a combination of the Brit and the US versions of
the official Scrabble Dictionaries.  The one you are talking about is just
the US version.


    --bonniev

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Betty wrote:

> It was mega-bizarre. I checked and I was only replying to her.  I went back
> and double checked even after I saw it appear on the list.

You have convinced me not to consider TheBat!  Thank you.

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>Well, yes.  But it seems mega-bizarre to me to think that Bonnie would
>have set her 'reply-to' to go to a list.  -- Natalie

Bizarre or not, that's what I did.  Before I did that I had to keep sending
messages back to the list because people would respond to something I had
posted and their response would come only to me and not to the list.  So I
would forward.  I got tired of that and started changing settings.


    --bonniev

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By the way, the reason that I left Eudora for awhile and went to The Bat!
was because Eudora frequently crashed and took my computer down with
it.  Eudora still crashes.  But now I can close it without rebooting the
whole computer.   It happens about once a day.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

> We use SOWPODS which is a combination of the Brit and the US versions of
> the official Scrabble Dictionaries.  The one you are talking about is just
> the US version.

But some British spellings do seem to be accepted.  Can't think of
examples right now, but I know I've thought at times when trying
something that it was accepting British spellings.  But then sometimes
I've been surprised that a certain word is accepted, some kind of slang
or dirty word or whatever, and then realized that there was another
<ordinary> word spelled the same way.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Why won't the desktop icons stay where you put them? Every time I turn the
>> Dell off, the trash can (<Recycle Bin>) moves back to its original
>> position.
>
>I don't know, but I do know that's not a <feature> of Dell, nor of any
>of the various Winshit os's I've used.  I had a Dell for a good while,
>running Win95 and then Win98, and that didn't happen with my icons on
>it.  Nor has it ever happened with my various other Winshit computers.

Which? They did not stay in the new place or they did not migrate back to
their old place?

Bethany

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I wrote:

>No - It's Windows 2000.

It's actually Windows 2000 Professional - if that makes any difference.

Bethany

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>What do your students have to do with it?  I thought we were talking
>about your personal choice of a mail program, not something you would
>expect your students to use.

Part of my statement was intended to be an implicit criticism of UT's
refusal to support Pegasus.

Bethany

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Saturday, April 26, 2003, 8:43:12 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> You have convinced me not to consider TheBat!  Thank you.

There's a space between The and Bat!.

Thank you.

Karen

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Saturday, April 26, 2003, 9:03:00 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> It's actually Windows 2000 Professional - if that makes any difference.

It does. Many Windows versions are wildly different from each other.

Here are some suggestions about things to try:
http://www.smartcomputing.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles%2Farchive%2Fl0806%2F39l06%2F39l06%2Easp

or

http://tinyurl.com/6f2o

Karen

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Saturday, April 26, 2003, 9:05:30 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Add/Remove hardware. If you choose troubleshoot hardware, the first
>>thing it tells you is whatchoo got.

> Yes - that's where I finally found the name of the drive that is not a
> DVD/CD-ROM drive.

So it doesn't tell you when you boot the computer?

Karen

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>Add/Remove hardware. If you choose troubleshoot hardware, the first
>thing it tells you is whatchoo got.

Yes - that's where I finally found the name of the drive that is not a
DVD/CD-ROM drive.

Bethany

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Ah! - it is good to talk about these things. Now the desktop icons are
staying in their new locations.

Bethany

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> > We use SOWPODS which is a combination of the Brit and the US
versions of
> > the official Scrabble Dictionaries.  The one you are talking about
is just
> > the US version.
>
> But some British spellings do seem to be accepted.  Can't think of
> examples right now, but I know I've thought at times when trying
> something that it was accepting British spellings.  But then sometimes
> I've been surprised that a certain word is accepted, some kind of
slang
> or dirty word or whatever, and then realized that there was another
> <ordinary> word spelled the same way.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


It takes    luv      and     guv.

           - D. M.

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Yes - that's where I finally found the name of the drive that is not a
>> DVD/CD-ROM drive.
>
>So it doesn't tell you when you boot the computer?

Not that I can tell.

Bethany

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>Here are some suggestions about things to try:
>http://www.smartcomputing.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles%2Farchive%2Fl0806%2F39l06%2F39l06%2Easp
>
>or
>
>http://tinyurl.com/6f2o

Will do - thanks!

Bethany

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At 06:41 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:
> > The establishment (or perhaps better, the definition)
> > of the DNA double helix can be tied to a date.
>
>No, it can't.  The day either one of them (or
>the third guy) came up with the idea?  The day
>he or they figured out he/they were right?  The
>day they sent the paper off?  The day it was
>published?

The third one wasn't a "guy."  I rather imagine that it was either the date
of final acceptance of the MS or the date of publication---probably the
latter.  At any rate, it is a subject/date rather more susceptible to
fact-finding than the ridiculous examples you pose.

cwv

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Saturday, April 26, 2003, 9:56:20 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>> Yes - that's where I finally found the name of the drive that is not a
>>> DVD/CD-ROM drive.
>>
>>So it doesn't tell you when you boot the computer?

> Not that I can tell.

It's the first thing that comes up after the double-beep of POST.

Karen

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Happy Birthday, Alyce! (It's after midnight in Germantown...)

Karen

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> Happy Birthday, Alyce! (It's after midnight in Germantown...)
>
> Karen
>

And more birthday greetings from the left side of the country. Wish I could
send you some of my appetite ;)

Sandra

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Beer geek checking in here.  Right now I'm drinking my penultimate beer of
the evening: North Coast brewery's Old Stock Ale.  The marketing is pretty
boring on this, but the beer is great -- it reminds me a lot of Thomas
Hardy's Ale.

And speaking of kick, it weighs at 11.4% by volume, which compares with
many wines, the latter not generally being served in 12-ounce portions,
which is why I will have to cool down with something a little less
strenuous.

Ken Miller
Anacreontic Academy of Zymomusicology

(OMG!  My first top-quoting post!)

At 6:23 PM -0700 4/26/03, Rita Chapman wrote:
>        They're good.  They have the right amount of kick and aren't
>fussy.
>
>Betty wrote:
>
>> It's been a long time since I have had one of those. I'm doing tequila and
>> ruby red grapefruit juice.
>>
>> Betty
>>
>> At 07:39 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>        Whiskey sours.
>>>
>>> Betty wrote:
>>>
>>>> At 06:41 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What are you drinking?
>>>>
>>>> Betty
>>>
>>
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita

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You're forgiven for top-quoting.

What I hate about tq is that sometimes I forget to read all the
way down and there's some important tidbit of information that's
below the first screen and then I make a complete fool of myself.

Of course, I can do that anyway without the tq.  I got all huffy
at someone the other day because I told them to quit their
bitching that anyone could do a df -k, but what they really
wanted was the disk space results shown by format, which only
root can do.  My colleagues told me not to apologize and just
ignore it, but I still feel dumb.


Bookrat:
= Beer geek checking in here.  Right now I'm drinking my penultimate beer of
= the evening: North Coast brewery's Old Stock Ale.  The marketing is pretty
= boring on this, but the beer is great -- it reminds me a lot of Thomas
= Hardy's Ale.
=
= And speaking of kick, it weighs at 11.4% by volume, which compares with
= many wines, the latter not generally being served in 12-ounce portions,
= which is why I will have to cool down with something a little less
= strenuous.
=
= Ken Miller
= Anacreontic Academy of Zymomusicology
=
= (OMG!  My first top-quoting post!)
=
= At 6:23 PM -0700 4/26/03, Rita Chapman wrote:
= >        They're good.  They have the right amount of kick and aren't
= >fussy.
= >
= >Betty wrote:
= >
= >> It's been a long time since I have had one of those. I'm doing tequila and
= >> ruby red grapefruit juice.
= >>
= >> Betty
= >>
= >> At 07:39 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
= >>
= >>>        Whiskey sours.
= >>>
= >>> Betty wrote:
= >>>
= >>>> At 06:41 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:
= >>>>
= >>>> What are you drinking?
= >>>>
= >>>> Betty
= >>>
= >>
= >
= >
= >--
= >Rita Rouvalis Chapman
= >rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
= >http://www.etext.org/~rita

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-04-26 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > You are a geek.  Perhaps skill wasn't the best word.  You will
= > never know what it takes non-geeks to get this stuff to work.
=
= Never say never ... actually I have taught a lot of "non-geeks" this
= exact same stuff. I think "it's too hard" is a convenient compromise,
= that's all. Typically, "non-geeks" find knowledge of the lower level
= simplifying. Time to ditch the idea of congenital geekness anyway...


Ok.  I underestimated you (why?).  Can you agree with the idea that it
just takes a different mindset to want to learn how to (do it the
hard way|old fashioned way|yourself), than to click through
stuff?

Aside from massive marketing dollars, there's a reason why AOL
still has customers.  There's a reason why people use all those
photo web sites to show us pictures.  There's a reason why my
next website is going to be based on some open source content
management system.  Why's there this big blog boom now, when the
ability to do it has been around since day one of the web?

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         What schools are the track stars from?  Do you remember?

I went to the track webpages and found the story.  One of them, Damond
Berry, is from Grandview High School.  I can't seem to find any school
mentioned for the other one, Eliott Morant.  The "All-Metro" reference
suggests a city:

*************
Morant made his biggest mark in the hurdles,
setting the Missouri 3A state record in the
300-meter hurdles (37.50) and earning him
all-Metro honors in that event. He ended the
indoor season as the country's top-ranked
60-meter hurdler, running his best time in
7.92.
*************

from: http://www.mstateathletics.com/0,5604,1_34_0_34826,00.html

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bonniev wrote:
>
> By the way, the reason that I left Eudora for awhile and went to The Bat!
> was because Eudora frequently crashed and took my computer down with

I remember that now.  Sounds weird.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >> Why won't the desktop icons stay where you put them? Every time I turn the
> >> Dell off, the trash can (<Recycle Bin>) moves back to its original
> >> position.
> >
> >I don't know, but I do know that's not a <feature> of Dell, nor of any
> >of the various Winshit os's I've used.  I had a Dell for a good while,
> >running Win95 and then Win98, and that didn't happen with my icons on
> >it.  Nor has it ever happened with my various other Winshit computers.
>
> Which? They did not stay in the new place or they did not migrate back to
> their old place?

The latter.  They have always stayed wherever I've put them.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > You have convinced me not to consider TheBat!  Thank you.
>
> There's a space between The and Bat!.

I like to use space sparingly.  I never, e.g., put a space in AnnBork.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> It takes    luv      and     guv.

Which does?  Scrabble?  The one I have, btw, is a Hasbro(?) product.  I
think it was Shoshana who recommended it years ago.

And speaking of Scrabble, a Wordsler kindly invited me last night to
play net Scrabble, but I'm too stupid to be able to make it work.  I
can't make any letters appear in the tray below the board.  I tried
going back to the e-mail that told me what my letters were and playing
by going back and forth between board and e-mail, but that wouldn't work
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From: steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM>
> Roy Jaques:
> = They look better when the flower heads have been removed and they
> = don't attract so many tourists.
>
> gee, you're grumpy this morning.

As opposed to...? Roy is always grumpy.

Marie

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From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> re Toronto
> Apparently baseball is not being affected,

Neither is hockey since hockey is OVER in Toronto...god, I hate them Leafs.

Go Devils!

Marie

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Last night I was playing with IE and have a question resulting from the
play:  I went to "organize favorites" to do some organizing, but I can't
figure out how to move the <folders> around -- as in their order.  I
would prefer to have them either alphabetized or in an order of my
choice.  With Netscape I can move one to the top of the list by
cutting/pasting -- I cut it from where it is, then click on whatever the
overall directory is at the top of the bookmark list, and paste it
there.  When I tried that with IE, it said something like you can't put
something where it already is.  I notice that when I tell it to move a
file to a new folder, it neatly lists the folders in alphabetical order,
so IE does know how to alphabetize.  How can I tell it to list my
folders in alphabetical order all the time?
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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PS: My IE version is 6.0.2600.0000.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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> And speaking of Scrabble, a Wordsler kindly invited me last night to
> play net Scrabble, but I'm too stupid to be able to make it work.  I
> can't make any letters appear in the tray below the board.  I tried
> going back to the e-mail that told me what my letters were and playing
> by going back and forth between board and e-mail, but that
> wouldn't work
> either.  It wouldn't let me do anything at all.

Did you put your password in?

Marie

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17:59 26.04.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Which mail programs do y'all use (popmail), and why do you like them?
>If I do end up having to give up Netscape at some point, I want to know
>what to consider.  I've got Eudora (the adful kind) and hate it.  The
>screen is cluttered (even would be without the ads), and the
>reading/writing box too small.  I like that Netscape can be full
>screen.  (I haven't experimented much with Eudora -- maybe I could make
>the reading/writing box much bigger -- my quick experimenting with it
>did not have good results.)  It's been a long time since I've tried
>Pegasus.  Is it still out there?  What else?  They don't have to be
>free.  I'm willing to pay if it's something I really would like to use
>(though shareware would be my preference for a paying one so that I
>could try it before committing/paying).

I am back with Eudora after a couple of years with Outlook/Outlook Express. I <like> Eudora (even the adfull kind). The only bad thing about it IMO is that I can't use Unicode.

Espen

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>>So it doesn't tell you when you boot the computer?
>
>> Not that I can tell.
>
>It's the first thing that comes up after the double-beep of POST.

What is POST? I have never heard a double-beep, though there is some
annoying pseudo-music at one point.

Bethany

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19:12 26.04.2003 -0500 skrev Rita Chapman:
>again, all around wrote:
>
>>Rita:
>>
>>>>...this is not (really) a wiseass remark.
>>>       It is so.
>>
>>That's why I added the (really).  It's
>>an honest question as well as a wiseass
>>remark.
>>
>>Have you been drinking?
>
>
>       Yes.  It brings down my bp.

I had a my bp checked Wednesday, and it was still 115/85. So now my doctor cut off the ACE hemmer and I am only left with 12.5 mg Kredex (beta blocker). I might become drug free this year if this goes on. My doctor believed that both change of lifestyle and acupuncture have worked.

Espen

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>Happy Birthday, Alyce! (It's after midnight in Germantown...)

Indeed!

Bethany

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23:02 26.04.2003 -0500 skrev Karen Kay:
>Happy Birthday, Alyce! (It's after midnight in Germantown...)

And from wet, cold Oslo.

Espen

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At 02:37 PM 4/27/2003 +0200, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>23:02 26.04.2003 -0500 skrev Karen Kay:
> >Happy Birthday, Alyce! (It's after midnight in Germantown...)
>
>And from wet, cold Oslo.

As well from wet, cold Bar Harbor, where the promise of 12C seems remote
indeed.

cwv

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >It's the first thing that comes up after the double-beep of POST.
>
> What is POST? I have never heard a double-beep, though there is some
> annoying pseudo-music at one point.

I'm a Winshit regular, but I also don't know what POST is -- and hear no
beeps, but that's probably because I keep my speakers turned off unless
I have some specific desire to hear something.  I also am frequently
away from the computer when it's doing its booting.  I normally come in
and turn it on in the morning and then go see whether the coffee is
ready.  When I come back from the kitchen, the wonderful dog is sitting
on the screen, and all is ready.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Marie Ascher wrote:

> Did you put your password in?

Yep.

--
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>bonniev wrote:
> > By the way, the reason that I left Eudora for awhile and went to The Bat!
> > was because Eudora frequently crashed and took my computer down with
>
>I remember that now.  Sounds weird.
>  -- Natalie

Never forget, I'm the last known human to be running Windows ME with no
problems, except Eudora.


    --bonniev

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>The latter.  They have always stayed wherever I've put them.
>  -- Natalie

As have mine.  You must be sure that "auto arrange" isn't checked. Right
click on the desktop, run mouse over "arrange icons" and uncheck "auto
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Why is Dubya saying no to the idea of UN weapons inspectors in Iraq?
The only <reason> I've seen given is something about their "getting in
the way."  What does that mean?  I really, really don't believe that
Rummy et al would go so far as to try to plant WOMD there, but this
insistence on private searching really, really makes that an obvious
guess for people to make.

Maybe if the document recently discovered secretly inviting bin Laden to
visit Saddam in the late '90s is shown to be accurate, an Al-Qaeda
connection can push aside the weapons question.

--
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At 08:15 AM 4/27/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Why is Dubya saying no to the idea of UN weapons inspectors in Iraq?
>The only <reason> I've seen given is something about their "getting in
>the way."  What does that mean?  I really, really don't believe that
>Rummy et al would go so far as to try to plant WOMD there, but this
>insistence on private searching really, really makes that an obvious
>guess for people to make.

I enjoyed Hans Blix's quote to the effect that the UN inspectors had had
the same result as the Americans, but at less cost.

cwv

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        Grandview is Kansas City area.  All-Metro is a conference of
schools surrounding St. Louis or Kansas City.  WG competes
in All-Metro.  If he's 3A, then he's from a small school.  A
lot of the Catholic high schools are 3A.  Yup.  I just found
him -- he's from a Catholic HS in KC.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        What schools are the track stars from?  Do you remember?
>>
>
> I went to the track webpages and found the story.  One of them, Damond
> Berry, is from Grandview High School.  I can't seem to find any school
> mentioned for the other one, Eliott Morant.  The "All-Metro" reference
> suggests a city:
>
> *************
> Morant made his biggest mark in the hurdles,
> setting the Missouri 3A state record in the
> 300-meter hurdles (37.50) and earning him
> all-Metro honors in that event. He ended the
> indoor season as the country's top-ranked
> 60-meter hurdler, running his best time in
> 7.92.
> *************
>
> from: http://www.mstateathletics.com/0,5604,1_34_0_34826,00.html
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>


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Espen S. Ore wrote:

> 19:12 26.04.2003 -0500 skrev Rita Chapman:
>
>>again, all around wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Rita:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>...this is not (really) a wiseass remark.
>>>>>
>>>>      It is so.
>>>>
>>>That's why I added the (really).  It's
>>>an honest question as well as a wiseass
>>>remark.
>>>
>>>Have you been drinking?
>>>
>>
>>      Yes.  It brings down my bp.
>>
>
> I had a my bp checked Wednesday, and it was still 115/85. So now my doctor cut off the ACE hemmer and I am only left with 12.5 mg Kredex (beta blocker). I might become drug free this year if this goes on. My doctor believed that both change of lifestyle and acupuncture have worked.
>


        Oh, sure, brag about it. (A drink doesn't really take mine
down; it's just a convenient excuse.)  I'm on my third
regimen.  I still hover around 150/100.  FWIW, I do exercise
nearly every night and my diet is good.



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On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:

>As have mine.  You must be sure that "auto arrange" isn't checked. Right
>click on the desktop, run mouse over "arrange icons" and uncheck "auto
>arrange".

Everything behaved overnight. All the icons are now over on the right or
on the bottom of the screen - where God intended them to be!

Bethany

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bonniev wrote:

>> bonniev wrote:
>> > By the way, the reason that I left Eudora for awhile and went to The
>> Bat!
>> > was because Eudora frequently crashed and took my computer down with
>>
>> I remember that now.  Sounds weird.
>>  -- Natalie
>
>
> Never forget, I'm the last known human to be running Windows ME with no
> problems, except Eudora.
>


        ME doesn't cause me any trouble.  PLUS I have a Compaq!



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What time are you going to be at Alyce's?

Betty

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I'm making progress.  I tried in IE and managed to initiate a game.
Only problem is that I've been sitting at the same screen for about
fifteen minutes now, still waiting for mail giving me a password.  The
screen says this:

***************
Thanks Natalie, your game has been Set-Up, and the Wordly Wise
Scrabble Gods have chosen seven random letters for each player!

Please check your Mailbox Options/Profiles are not blocking
postings as Spam. Esp MSN, Hotmail, AOL and Yahoo users.

If you are Player 1, open your Mail Inbox, and collect your password
***************

I am Player 1, and I did enter my address correctly (I went back and
double-checked).  I have no spam filter.  I've been checking my mail
regularly for the past however many minutes, but I still have no mail
from the Scrabble Gods.  How long does it take?  I need to go to the
grocery store.  Guess I'll leave that screen sitting there and see
whether my password arrives while I'm gone.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Everything behaved overnight. All the icons are now over on the right or
> on the bottom of the screen - where God intended them to be!

No, no.  Reason, God's viceroy in us, is to be used.  Donne would have
examined the situation and decided the best place for the icons.  To me
they should be spread apart, not clumped.  I have different drive
shortcuts in the upper left, along with things like MyComputer and
ControlPanel and my \temp directory shortcut.  I have MS-DOS right
beside the dog's nose in the middle of the screen.  I have games in the
lower right.  I have the trash can in the lower left.  In the upper
right I have net-related stuff -- telnet, ftp, browsers, mail, etc.  In
the middle right are Word-Processing and Scan/Pics/Etc icons.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Rita Chapman wrote:

> lot of the Catholic high schools are 3A.  Yup.  I just found
> him -- he's from a Catholic HS in KC.

Good work.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > Never forget, I'm the last known human to be running Windows ME with no
> > problems, except Eudora.
>
>         ME doesn't cause me any trouble.  PLUS I have a Compaq!

My use of ME (on my mother's computer) didn't involve problems with
things it did.  The only problems for me were things it didn't do --
things it was lacking.  I had to spend ages adding stuff to it.  Can't
remember what all now.

My mother's computer running ME was a Compaq.  So is my current
computer, though mine is running XP.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > It takes    luv      and     guv.
>
> Which does?  Scrabble?  The one I have, btw, is a Hasbro(?) product.
I
> think it was Shoshana who recommended it years ago.

I meant Bookworm.

     - D. M.

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> What time are you going to be at Alyce's?
>
> Betty

Not sure. The original plan was that we were going to be there at 1:30, but
Jeff called me at 10 saying that Alyce didn't feel up to a visit.

I plan to call him back around 11, and speak to The Woman Herself to see if
we can come for an ultra-short visit anyway.

--Adam

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> Do you know how to put your thumbs in
> your ears and wiggle your fingers?
>
>                  - D. M.

Yes, and I've graduated to version 2.0 of that where I can stick out my
tongue and cross my eyes, too.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> No, no.  Reason, God's viceroy in us, is to be used.  Donne would have
> examined the situation and decided the best place for the icons.  To me
> they should be spread apart, not clumped.

Mutant. Everyone Knows that the proper place for icons in this day and age
is on the Quick Launch Toolbar. (Make the Task Bar two rows high, turn on
the Quick Launch toolbar, and drag all your icons onto it. Screen shot
available on request.)

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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At 10:41 AM 4/27/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > What time are you going to be at Alyce's?
> >
> > Betty
>
>Not sure. The original plan was that we were going to be there at 1:30, but
>Jeff called me at 10 saying that Alyce didn't feel up to a visit.
>
>I plan to call him back around 11, and speak to The Woman Herself to see if
>we can come for an ultra-short visit anyway.

I'm going to go to church and wear my New Red Hat.

Betty

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Sunday, April 27, 2003, 9:52:25 AM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> Mutant. Everyone Knows that the proper place for icons in this day and age
> is on the Quick Launch Toolbar.

I have to say that this is one of the best things ever.

Karen

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>>I plan to call him back around 11, and speak to The Woman Herself to see if
>>we can come for an ultra-short visit anyway.
>
>I'm going to go to church and wear my New Red Hat.
>Betty

I'm going to sew together one of the sweaters Alyce knitted but didn't finish.


    --bonniev

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>regularly for the past however many minutes, but I still have no mail
>from the Scrabble Gods.  How long does it take?  -- Natalie

It happens in less than one minute for me.


    --bonniev

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> Cool.  Now can I delete the desktop icons??

You can delete most of them, but there are some (such as the Recycle Bin)
which you cannot delete. If they're just icons of stuff you installed
yourself, sure, you can delete those.

--Adam
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Just talked with Alyce, and she's amenable to our visit. Marie and I plan to
meet in Germantown at 1:30 before heading to Alyce's together.

--Adam

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Happy Birthday, Alyce! (It's after midnight in Germantown...)

And from moderately cold but still springlike Tartu.

Kristin

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Sunday, April 27, 2003, 8:02:18 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I'm a Winshit regular, but I also don't know what POST is -- and hear no
> beeps, but that's probably because I keep my speakers turned off unless
> I have some specific desire to hear something.

This isn't a function of speakers.

> I also am frequently away from the computer when it's doing its
> booting.

But surely not when you're trying to do diagnostics?

Karen

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Sunday, April 27, 2003, 8:10:16 AM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> All the icons are now over on the right or
> on the bottom of the screen - where God intended them to be!

Doesn't that make them harder to click on when you want to use them?

I must confess that I ignore the desktop icons entirely--I use the
toolbar for everything, and that *IS* on the right where God intended
it to be.

Karen

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>Mutant. Everyone Knows that the proper place for icons in this day and age
>is on the Quick Launch Toolbar. (Make the Task Bar two rows high, turn on
>the Quick Launch toolbar, and drag all your icons onto it. Screen shot
>available on request.)       --Adam

Cool.  Now can I delete the desktop icons??


    --bonniev

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Sunday, April 27, 2003, 7:17:40 AM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>>>So it doesn't tell you when you boot the computer?
>>
>>> Not that I can tell.
>>
>>It's the first thing that comes up after the double-beep of POST.

> What is POST?

Power On Self Test. The computer checks all its parts to make sure
they are working. I think of this as what I do when I wake up in the
morning.

> I have never heard a double-beep, though there is some
> annoying pseudo-music at one point.

This would be well before the music. It's the very first thing that
shows up on the screen, before Windows starts. You may not have a
double beep; that's a feature of this BIOS.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor:
= "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
=
= > Everything behaved overnight. All the icons are now over on the right or
= > on the bottom of the screen - where God intended them to be!
=
= No, no.  Reason, God's viceroy in us, is to be used.  Donne would have
= examined the situation and decided the best place for the icons.  To me
= they should be spread apart, not clumped.  I have different drive
= shortcuts in the upper left, along with things like MyComputer and
= ControlPanel and my \temp directory shortcut.  I have MS-DOS right
= beside the dog's nose in the middle of the screen.  I have games in the
= lower right.  I have the trash can in the lower left.  In the upper
= right I have net-related stuff -- telnet, ftp, browsers, mail, etc.  In
= the middle right are Word-Processing and Scan/Pics/Etc icons.
=

You have way too much crap on your desktop.  I have about 8 icons
in the bottom left launcher tray thingy and use my desktop for
directories I open frequently and the documents I'm currently
working on.  If those documents don't have a more logical place
to be they eventually move on to a folder dated by month.  That's
my work laptop.

This laptop is running redhat and has the toolbar at the right
and an otherwise empty desktop.

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Adam Hartfield:
= > No, no.  Reason, God's viceroy in us, is to be used.  Donne would have
= > examined the situation and decided the best place for the icons.  To me
= > they should be spread apart, not clumped.
=
= Mutant. Everyone Knows that the proper place for icons in this day and age
= is on the Quick Launch Toolbar. (Make the Task Bar two rows high, turn on
= the Quick Launch toolbar, and drag all your icons onto it. Screen shot
= available on request.)
=

Ah, two rows high.  Just the way I like it.  Quick Launch sweezed
to the far left next to the menu, also two rows high (tricky to
get it back there if you accidentally move it).

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Karen Kay:
= Sunday, April 27, 2003, 7:17:40 AM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
= > On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
= >>>>So it doesn't tell you when you boot the computer?
= >>
= >>> Not that I can tell.
= >>
= >>It's the first thing that comes up after the double-beep of POST.
=
= > What is POST?
=
= Power On Self Test. The computer checks all its parts to make sure
= they are working. I think of this as what I do when I wake up in the
= morning.
=
= > I have never heard a double-beep, though there is some
= > annoying pseudo-music at one point.
=
= This would be well before the music. It's the very first thing that
= shows up on the screen, before Windows starts. You may not have a
= double beep; that's a feature of this BIOS.
=
= Karen

She may not turn her monitor on until well after all this has
happened.  And for instance some monitors don't warm up until
after this has happened either.

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My password arrived while I was grocery shopping, so the first play has
been made now.  And I had only one letter worth more than 1 point, a d,
which was worth 2.  My letters were R,S,D,E,U,I, and a blank.  Bet y'all
can figure out why the score is now this:

Player 1 : Natalie your score is now 66
Player 2 : Betty your score is now 0

Just had to flaunt it on the list.  Shouldn't have given the <background
info>.  Should've just flashed the score up there. :-)

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > I'm a Winshit regular, but I also don't know what POST is -- and hear no
> > beeps, but that's probably because I keep my speakers turned off unless
> > I have some specific desire to hear something.
>
> This isn't a function of speakers.

My computer makes some kind of low-pitched grunt when I turn it on, I
think.  Is that like your double-beep?

> > I also am frequently away from the computer when it's doing its
> > booting.
>
> But surely not when you're trying to do diagnostics?

I've never had occasion to do that kind of diagnostics.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Not sure. The original plan was that we were going to be there at 1:30, but
> Jeff called me at 10 saying that Alyce didn't feel up to a visit.

Uh oh.  This is disappointing.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Mutant. Everyone Knows that the proper place for icons in this day and age
> is on the Quick Launch Toolbar. (Make the Task Bar two rows high, turn on
> the Quick Launch toolbar, and drag all your icons onto it. Screen shot
> available on request.)

I don't deal with bars, except for using the Start thing occasionally.
It's sitting on what I guess is a bar.

Hey, I just thought of something.  I used Netscape, not IE, when I
played my first Scrabble play.  BB told me that she also uses Netscape
4.7.  (The connection between that and the bar talk is that I glanced
down at the bottom of my screen and noticed that in addition to Start, I
see a Netscape Scrabble thing still open (since I normally don't close
Navigator -- I just leave whatever I last looked at open and then move
on to something else when I go back to it).  I also see two other open
items, Adam's mail and the reply I'm writing to it.

Hmm.  I do use the bars at the top of Netscape Mail, of course -- like
"send" and stuff.  And I use things like Bookmarks and Back and Forward
and stuff when browsing.  I guess I'm more into bars than I had thought.

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bonniev wrote:

> It happens in less than one minute for me.

Don't know why it took so long for me.  Some kind of temporary mail
glitch, I guess.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> Just talked with Alyce, and she's amenable to our visit. Marie and I plan to
> meet in Germantown at 1:30 before heading to Alyce's together.

Excellent!!  Where in Germantown are you meeting?  I'm trying to think
what I might use as a meeting-place.  I remember the store where I
bought some not-very-good Nabs for Alyce, but I'm not sure that I
remember exactly where it was.  But then I don't notice things like
directions as much when I'm not driving.  And I was not driving on that
occasion.  I had a handsome and personable chauffeur.

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steph wrote:

> You have way too much crap on your desktop.  I have about 8 icons

I didn't mean that all of those were separate icons.  They're sort of
<icon directories> -- like Net-Stuff would include ftp, telnet,
Netscape, etc., Scan Etc includes Lview, the scanner software, etc.,
Games includes Freecell and Scrabble, and so on.

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What I love about top-quoting is that I don't have to scroll down to reread
what's been read. And, in Outlook, if I open a separate, larger screen, when
I delete it, it brings up the previous message instead of the next msg. It's
a lot more fiddling around with.

Sandra

> You're forgiven for top-quoting.
>
> What I hate about tq is that sometimes I forget to read all the
> way down and there's some important tidbit of information that's
> below the first screen and then I make a complete fool of myself.
>
> Of course, I can do that anyway without the tq.  I got all huffy
> at someone the other day because I told them to quit their
> bitching that anyone could do a df -k, but what they really
> wanted was the disk space results shown by format, which only
> root can do.  My colleagues told me not to apologize and just
> ignore it, but I still feel dumb.
>
>
> Bookrat:
> = Beer geek checking in here.  Right now I'm drinking my
> penultimate beer of
> = the evening: North Coast brewery's Old Stock Ale.  The
> marketing is pretty
> = boring on this, but the beer is great -- it reminds me a lot of Thomas
> = Hardy's Ale.
> =
> = And speaking of kick, it weighs at 11.4% by volume, which compares with
> = many wines, the latter not generally being served in 12-ounce portions,
> = which is why I will have to cool down with something a little less
> = strenuous.
> =
> = Ken Miller
> = Anacreontic Academy of Zymomusicology
> =
> = (OMG!  My first top-quoting post!)
> =
> = At 6:23 PM -0700 4/26/03, Rita Chapman wrote:
> = >        They're good.  They have the right amount of kick and aren't
> = >fussy.
> = >
> = >Betty wrote:
> = >
> = >> It's been a long time since I have had one of those. I'm
> doing tequila and
> = >> ruby red grapefruit juice.
> = >>
> = >> Betty
> = >>
> = >> At 07:39 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
> = >>
> = >>>        Whiskey sours.
> = >>>
> = >>> Betty wrote:
> = >>>
> = >>>> At 06:41 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:
> = >>>>
> = >>>> What are you drinking?
> = >>>>
> = >>>> Betty
> = >>>
> = >>
> = >
> = >
> = >--
> = >Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> = >rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> = >http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>

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At 11:11 AM 4/27/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>>I plan to call him back around 11, and speak to The Woman Herself to see if
>>>we can come for an ultra-short visit anyway.
>>
>>I'm going to go to church and wear my New Red Hat.
>>Betty
>
>I'm going to sew together one of the sweaters Alyce knitted but didn't finish.

It was a words-l service.  They mentioned the disciple known as the twin!

Old friends didn't know the person in the Fine Red Hat.

Betty

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> Adam Hartfield wrote:
> >
> > Just talked with Alyce, and she's amenable to our visit. Marie
> and I plan to
> > meet in Germantown at 1:30 before heading to Alyce's together.
>
Give her a hug for me.

Sandra

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>
> >>I plan to call him back around 11, and speak to The Woman
> Herself to see if
> >>we can come for an ultra-short visit anyway.
> >
> >I'm going to go to church and wear my New Red Hat.
> >Betty
>
> I'm going to sew together one of the sweaters Alyce knitted but
> didn't finish.
>
>
>     --bonniev

Another thing to do with sweaters that no loger fit, is to make pillows out
of them. Sans arms, I suppose. Then again, Alyce's sweater workings may very
well fit.

Sandra

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> My password arrived while I was grocery shopping, so the first play has
> been made now.  And I had only one letter worth more than 1 point, a d,
> which was worth 2.  My letters were R,S,D,E,U,I, and a blank.  Bet y'all
> can figure out why the score is now this:
>
> Player 1 : Natalie your score is now 66
> Player 2 : Betty your score is now 0
>
> Just had to flaunt it on the list.  Shouldn't have given the <background
> info>.  Should've just flashed the score up there. :-)
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


Nice going, Natalie. I just played a bingo, too. INTONED. And I have another
ready to play on the board. Stroke of luck.

Sandra

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At 11:00 AM 4/27/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>My password arrived while I was grocery shopping, so the first play has
>been made now.  And I had only one letter worth more than 1 point, a d,
>which was worth 2.  My letters were R,S,D,E,U,I, and a blank.  Bet y'all
>can figure out why the score is now this:
>
>Player 1 : Natalie your score is now 66
>Player 2 : Betty your score is now 0
>
>Just had to flaunt it on the list.  Shouldn't have given the <background
>info>.  Should've just flashed the score up there. :-)

Beginners luck. I have crummy letters, too.  The game I had to delete had
great letters. I'm sorry that you were too stupid to figure that one out.  <g>

Betty

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Weird.  I just added something to my blog -- a link to an interesting
letter from a 79-yr-old human shield from Jackson.  I went back to edit
it a few minutes later to add a line break that I thought would look
better, but the editing screen is totally different from what it used to
be.  And there's no "post and publish" button anymore, which means I
don't know what one does to edit it.  If it was something major that
needed to be redone, one could delete it and redo it totally.  In a case
like what I was trying to do, I'll just let it go.  But I do find this a
strange turn of events.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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sandra wrote:
>
> What I love about top-quoting is that I don't have to scroll down to reread

As I think I've said before, I find bottom-quoting fine for most
one-on-one correspondence since you're more likely to remember the
thread.  That's different with list mail.  I hate bottom-quoting on list
mail since I hate not knowing right off the bat what the person is
referring to.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Betty wrote:

> Beginners luck. I have crummy letters, too.  The game I had to delete had
> great letters. I'm sorry that you were too stupid to figure that one out.  <g>

I was hesitant to admit that I had crummy letters in that one (as seen
in the e-mail -- never saw them on the tray).  I was afraid that
mentioning it might make you think my failure to make that game work was
a <ploy>.  But it really wasn't!  I sincerely was too stupid to make the
thing work.  I do think one problem might have been that I managed to
get to a password-changing screen last night, changed the password, but
used lower case.  I noticed this morning that the password has to be
uppercase.  But the old uppercase one that was assigned wouldn't work
either, so I don't know.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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I found a place to tell Blogger to use Central time instead of Pacific!
Funny the things one can discover by just kind of poking around. :-)

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At 12:38 PM 4/27/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Beginners luck. I have crummy letters, too.  The game I had to delete had
> > great letters. I'm sorry that you were too stupid to figure that one
> out.  <g>
>
>I was hesitant to admit that I had crummy letters in that one (as seen
>in the e-mail -- never saw them on the tray).  I was afraid that
>mentioning it might make you think my failure to make that game work was
>a <ploy>.  But it really wasn't!  I sincerely was too stupid to make the
>thing work.  I do think one problem might have been that I managed to
>get to a password-changing screen last night, changed the password, but
>used lower case.  I noticed this morning that the password has to be
>uppercase.  But the old uppercase one that was assigned wouldn't work
>either, so I don't know.

No, the password does not have to be uppercase.  Just don't forget what it is.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> No, the password does not have to be uppercase.  Just don't forget what it is.

I could've sworn I read that somewhere this morning.  But it's ok now.
I remember my password, have been using uppercase, and just played pees
on top of your hove.  I don't like that I can't see the tray when I'm
looking toward the top of the board, though.  That's too taxing on old
brains.  I told it to use tiny tiles, but I still couldn't see above
your hove while looking at the tray.

Meanwhile, though, I've got to leave the computer and decide on which of
several possible afternoon activities to do.  One was to go to Lowe's in
Columbus to look for Ortho Brush-B-Gon and other things.  But I think I
don't want to go to Columbus.  Instead I may go to a real estate open
house just for fun.  Or I may take Spencer running on the North Farm.
We didn't get around to that last weekend or whenever it was I was
thinking about it.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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John Williams wrote:

> >
> > >Or are you not one of the Cleansed?
> >
> > >Ken Miller
> > >First Acolyte of the Fifth Third Church of Meeber
> >
> > I am, I am! ... with pictures to prove it!
> >
> > AS
>
>     This is true.  Amy is Of The Cleansed.  The hands of the Prime Meeber have
> been lain upon her, and she is redeemed.
>
>     John "So let it be written, so let it be done" W.

But me? But me!?

Kr.

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Bookrat wrote:

>  inevitably winds up recreating Brer Rabbit's encounter with
> the Tar Baby.

Only do not throw me into the brier!

Kristin

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> <<
> What's Prozac got to do with learning how to drive?
>
> I'm still living with the damage it did to my mind and memory.

It must have been awful to go through, and yet live with the
consequences. Do you feel recovering from it? Do you take, or are
prescribed, any pills now?

Kristin

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Doris Markland wrote:

> (Originally posted here by S. Hess)
>
> IF I HAD MY LIFE TO LIVE OVER - by Erma Bombeck

Thank you. It's rather nice and good. Even if many of the particular statements
are not what exactly I'd say perhaps, its spirit is what counts.

I guess it was here in the list where I recently noticed Bombeck's name, and I
guess it must have been Erma Bombeck. I only cannot remember whether this very
piece of her was posted earlier or recently.

Kristin

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>  Spencer had a good time at the pet
> parade this morning.  He didn't win any prizes, but many people
> commented on how nice he is and how expressive his face is.  He and I
> made a quick loop around the festival itself after the parade, speaking
> to various people.  I then brought him home and went back alone for
> another couple of hours.  It was fun except that the weather was way too
> cold for this time of year.

We are proud of you :)

Kristin

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> >>Yes, and unlike words-l, that other list had a stated rule forbidding back
> >>channel posts.  Jeez.

For long I haven't heard of something as stupid!

Kristin

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Which mail programs do y'all use (popmail), and why do you like them?

Netscape. This is what we have at work and I haven't used anything else. I
like much in it. -- So, my answer only adds to the statistical data of the
Survey but is not of any help for you to choose for a new one for yourself.

Kristin

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> >
> > IF I HAD MY LIFE TO LIVE OVER - by Erma Bombeck
>
> Thank you. It's rather nice and good. Even if many of the particular
statements
> are not what exactly I'd say perhaps, its spirit is what counts.
>
> I guess it was here in the list where I recently noticed Bombeck's
name, and I
> guess it must have been Erma Bombeck. I only cannot remember whether
this very
> piece of her was posted earlier or recently.
>
> Kristin

Perhaps you know this, but Erma Bombeck was a
housewife who wrote a syndicated humorous column
in which she just talked about her family and their
daily life and the things that happen and what she
thought about it.  It was the kind of humor that often
made you laugh out loud, as you read it with your
morning coffee.  Erma died a fairly sudden early
death from cancer, and I believe this column was
written shortly before she died.

                      - D. M.

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Everything behaved overnight. All the icons are now over on the right or
>> on the bottom of the screen - where God intended them to be!
>
>No, no.  Reason, God's viceroy in us, is to be used.  Donne would have
>examined the situation and decided the best place for the icons.  To me
>they should be spread apart, not clumped.  I have different drive

Of course they should not be <clumped>! (Wherever you put them.)

Bethany

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>Mutant. Everyone Knows that the proper place for icons in this day and age
>is on the Quick Launch Toolbar. (Make the Task Bar two rows high, turn on
>the Quick Launch toolbar, and drag all your icons onto it. Screen shot
>available on request.)

A Quick Launch Toolbar - how exciting! I have been looking for one on my
Dell, but so far have not found it. And A Task Bar - I can't wait! It
sounds almost as good as a Control Strip!

Bethany

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Not sure. The original plan was that we were going to be there at 1:30, but
> Jeff called me at 10 saying that Alyce didn't feel up to a visit.

I must confess. I telephoned Alyce yesterday. To hear her voice and thank her.
I was quite sure before calling that if Alyce needed rest at the moment and
didn't want to be disturbed then her son Jeff would answer the call, so that I
could've asked whether it was good to make a call at all, and if it were then
when.

It was Alyce herself who answered. I was glad to hear her speaking, but I got
very nervous for I quickly started being afraid of disturbing her. She hadn't
been sleeping, thank God. But I was very embarrased after the call for I did
all wrong. While Alyce spoke very nicely.

She sent a mail to me later on that I read today -- about the books I had been
talking about, and also saying it was nice to hear my voice. So, as I was going
to answer her message anyway, I also could apologize for my bad manners out of
nervosity.

I do not know whether it was a good idea to call. I said here lately that I try
not to leave various thing undone -- but it'd still be bad if I do wrong things
at wrong time and make other people feel bad. And  weary Alyce as much as she
didn't feel up for visit.

And I do not know whether it was a good idea to report about it all here, but
this could not be so awfully wrong.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> I do not know whether it was a good idea to call. I said here lately that I try
> not to leave various thing undone -- but it'd still be bad if I do wrong things
> at wrong time and make other people feel bad. And  weary Alyce as much as she
> didn't feel up for visit.

Of course it was a good idea!  You were right in figuring that Jeff
would have answered and told you she couldn't come to the phone if she
was too tired.  You did a right thing, not a wrong thing!

> And I do not know whether it was a good idea to report about it all here, but
> this could not be so awfully wrong.

You're right -- it couldn't be so awfully wrong.  I can't see anything
remotely wrong about reporting to us on the call!

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In a message dated 04/27/2003 1:53:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:

<<
It must have been awful to go through, and yet live with the
consequences. Do you feel recovering from it? Do you take, or are
prescribed, any pills now?

>>

I do remember more of my childhood than I did when I was taking
Prozac (practically all of those memories were "wiped out"), and
my short-term memory is better now than then, but I have to cram
things in over and over to make sure I remember them.

And the mania:  before Prozac, I was unipolar.  Now, I'm bipolar.
My main symptom of the mania is buying things; I spend way too
much.

One thing:  I remember more of the French I studied back in the
'80s than I do of the Spanish I studied just two years ago.

I can't take antidepressants; the ones that aren't Prozac-related
knock me out.

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 04/27/2003 7:37:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
espen.ore@NB.NO writes:

<<
23:02 26.04.2003 -0500 skrev Karen Kay:
>Happy Birthday, Alyce! (It's after midnight in Germantown...)

And from wet, cold Oslo.

>>

And from Tulsa!

Evelyn Duncan
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>
> > Not sure. The original plan was that we were going to be there at
1:30, but
> > Jeff called me at 10 saying that Alyce didn't feel up to a visit.
>
> I must confess. I telephoned Alyce yesterday. To hear her voice and
thank her.
> I was quite sure before calling that if Alyce needed rest at the
moment and
> didn't want to be disturbed then her son Jeff would answer the call,
so that I
> could've asked whether it was good to make a call at all, and if it
were then
> when.
>
> It was Alyce herself who answered. I was glad to hear her speaking,
but I got
> very nervous for I quickly started being afraid of disturbing her. She
hadn't
> been sleeping, thank God. But I was very embarrased after the call for
I did
> all wrong. While Alyce spoke very nicely.
>
> She sent a mail to me later on that I read today -- about the books I
had been
> talking about, and also saying it was nice to hear my voice. So, as I
was going
> to answer her message anyway, I also could apologize for my bad
manners out of
> nervosity.
>
> I do not know whether it was a good idea to call. I said here lately
that I try
> not to leave various thing undone -- but it'd still be bad if I do
wrong things
> at wrong time and make other people feel bad. And  weary Alyce as much
as she
> didn't feel up for visit.
>
> And I do not know whether it was a good idea to report about it all
here, but
> this could not be so awfully wrong.
>
> Kristin


Kristin . . You called Alyce?

I can't imagine how thrilled she must have been!

                          - D. M.

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At 06:41 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:
> > The establishment (or perhaps better, the definition)
> > of the DNA double helix can be tied to a date.
>
>No, it can't.  The day either one of them (or
>the third guy) came up with the idea?  The day
>he or they figured out he/they were right?  The
>day they sent the paper off?  The day it was
>published?

Google was comemmorating April 25, 1953, - the day Watson and
Crick published the structure of DNA in the journal Nature.

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02003-04-27 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Ok.  I underestimated you (why?).  Can you agree with the idea that it
> just takes a different mindset to want to learn how to (do it the
> hard way|old fashioned way|yourself), than to click through
> stuff?

If I sounded like I was questioning that, sorry. I agree with
it. The point is not to start off by calling something difficult
and old-fashioned.

> Aside from massive marketing dollars, there's a reason why AOL
> still has customers.  There's a reason why people use all those
> photo web sites to show us pictures.  There's a reason why my
> next website is going to be based on some open source content
> management system.  Why's there this big blog boom now, when the
> ability to do it has been around since day one of the web?

I am not sure there is a "big boom" in blogs and photo web sites,
and not sure if any of this has anything going for it other than
mass. What we are seeing is not a blog boom, it's an internet boom.

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From: "Doris Markland" <dmarkld@ncfcomm.com>
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If you'd like to stop in and visit Gene and
me as we were, not too long ago, you may
do so at this address.  I spent the afternoon
re-learning everything that my Dutch mentor
taught me, and that I thought I had forgotten,
about fttp-ing and all that stuff.  Now, for me
this isn't easy, so it is an accomplishment to
say I got the pictures up for you to see.

http://incolor.inebraska.com/dmarkld



1.  Our kitchen
2.  Our living room
3.  A really bad picture of me, but included because
    it shows my "tutu look"  (Hawaiian grandma)
4.  Gene at the beach
5.  Rainbow seen off our lanai and captured
     by a California professional photographer
6.  6th floor recreation deck of our building
7.  In the water, looking back at our building.
     Look behind and to the right of the church and
     up to the 22nd floor, see me waving at you from
     our lanai.

Aloha and Mahalo.


                         - D. M.

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Great job, Doris. Nice pics.

=======================================================
If you'd like to stop in and visit Gene and
me as we were, not too long ago, you may
do so at this address.  I spent the afternoon
re-learning everything that my Dutch mentor
taught me, and that I thought I had forgotten,
about fttp-ing and all that stuff.  Now, for me
this isn't easy, so it is an accomplishment to
say I got the pictures up for you to see.

http://incolor.inebraska.com/dmarkld



1.  Our kitchen
2.  Our living room
3.  A really bad picture of me, but included because
    it shows my "tutu look"  (Hawaiian grandma)
4.  Gene at the beach
5.  Rainbow seen off our lanai and captured
     by a California professional photographer
6.  6th floor recreation deck of our building
7.  In the water, looking back at our building.
     Look behind and to the right of the church and
     up to the 22nd floor, see me waving at you from
     our lanai.

Aloha and Mahalo.


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Just added the bedroom.  Had forgotten it.

http://incolor.inebraska.com/dmarkld



            - D. M.

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Good job, Doris!  When do you get to go back again?

Betty

At 04:38 PM 4/27/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>If you'd like to stop in and visit Gene and
>me as we were, not too long ago, you may
>do so at this address.  I spent the afternoon
>re-learning everything that my Dutch mentor
>taught me, and that I thought I had forgotten,
>about fttp-ing and all that stuff.  Now, for me
>this isn't easy, so it is an accomplishment to
>say I got the pictures up for you to see.
>
>http://incolor.inebraska.com/dmarkld
>
>
>
>1.  Our kitchen
>2.  Our living room
>3.  A really bad picture of me, but included because
>     it shows my "tutu look"  (Hawaiian grandma)
>4.  Gene at the beach
>5.  Rainbow seen off our lanai and captured
>      by a California professional photographer
>6.  6th floor recreation deck of our building
>7.  In the water, looking back at our building.
>      Look behind and to the right of the church and
>      up to the 22nd floor, see me waving at you from
>      our lanai.
>
>Aloha and Mahalo.
>
>
>                          - D. M.

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Sunday, April 27, 2003, 10:14:03 AM, bonniev wrote:
> Cool.  Now can I delete the desktop icons??

With a mouse-click.:)

Karen

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Adam and Marie left an hour ago following a memorable 70th birthday
party for Alyce. They came laden with gifts and left with some gifts of
their own. Adam brought lox and bagels (real NYC deli) and Marie brought
homemade chicken soup and the fixings for hot fudge sundaes. They were
spectacular--served in old-fashioned tall sundae glasses with long
spoons; vanilla ice cream, hot fudge, whipped cream and a cherry on top.
Alyce's appetite isn't always massive, but she managed to consume most
of hers. Adam got a photo to prove it.

Marie managed to dig several fine specimens from Alyce's garden,
including bee balm, irises, bluebells, and day lilies--barely managing
to close her car trunk on top of them. They also both left with some
selections from Alyce's eclectic LP collection.

Alyce description of the pair as delightful people proved to be most
accurate, and I feel fortunate to have had the opportunity to meet them.
I hope the opportunity may arise to meet some other wordslers in person,
as well.

It was a perfect, sunny Sunday afternoon that I shall not soon forget.

--Jeff

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Lovely photos. You sure wear a hat well.

Sandra
>
>
> If you'd like to stop in and visit Gene and
> me as we were, not too long ago, you may
> do so at this address.  I spent the afternoon
> re-learning everything that my Dutch mentor
> taught me, and that I thought I had forgotten,
> about fttp-ing and all that stuff.  Now, for me
> this isn't easy, so it is an accomplishment to
> say I got the pictures up for you to see.
>
> http://incolor.inebraska.com/dmarkld
>
>
>
> 1.  Our kitchen
> 2.  Our living room
> 3.  A really bad picture of me, but included because
>     it shows my "tutu look"  (Hawaiian grandma)
> 4.  Gene at the beach
> 5.  Rainbow seen off our lanai and captured
>      by a California professional photographer
> 6.  6th floor recreation deck of our building
> 7.  In the water, looking back at our building.
>      Look behind and to the right of the church and
>      up to the 22nd floor, see me waving at you from
>      our lanai.
>
> Aloha and Mahalo.
>
>
>                          - D. M.
>
>

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Thanks, Jeff!  Happy Birthday, Alyce.

Betty

At 06:22 PM 4/27/2003 -0400, alyce cresap wrote:
>Adam and Marie left an hour ago following a memorable 70th birthday
>party for Alyce. They came laden with gifts and left with some gifts of
>their own. Adam brought lox and bagels (real NYC deli) and Marie brought
>homemade chicken soup and the fixings for hot fudge sundaes. They were
>spectacular--served in old-fashioned tall sundae glasses with long
>spoons; vanilla ice cream, hot fudge, whipped cream and a cherry on top.
>Alyce's appetite isn't always massive, but she managed to consume most
>of hers. Adam got a photo to prove it.
>
>Marie managed to dig several fine specimens from Alyce's garden,
>including bee balm, irises, bluebells, and day lilies--barely managing
>to close her car trunk on top of them. They also both left with some
>selections from Alyce's eclectic LP collection.
>
>Alyce description of the pair as delightful people proved to be most
>accurate, and I feel fortunate to have had the opportunity to meet them.
>I hope the opportunity may arise to meet some other wordslers in person,
>as well.
>
>It was a perfect, sunny Sunday afternoon that I shall not soon forget.
>
>--Jeff

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Adam and Marie left an hour ago following a memorable 70th birthday
> party for Alyce. They came laden with gifts and left with some gifts of
> their own. Adam brought lox and bagels (real NYC deli) and Marie brought
> homemade chicken soup and the fixings for hot fudge sundaes. They were
> spectacular--served in old-fashioned tall sundae glasses with long
> spoons; vanilla ice cream, hot fudge, whipped cream and a cherry on top.
> Alyce's appetite isn't always massive, but she managed to consume most
> of hers. Adam got a photo to prove it.
>
> Marie managed to dig several fine specimens from Alyce's garden,
> including bee balm, irises, bluebells, and day lilies--barely managing
> to close her car trunk on top of them. They also both left with some
> selections from Alyce's eclectic LP collection.
>
> Alyce description of the pair as delightful people proved to be most
> accurate, and I feel fortunate to have had the opportunity to meet them.
> I hope the opportunity may arise to meet some other wordslers in person,
> as well.
>
> It was a perfect, sunny Sunday afternoon that I shall not soon forget.
>
> --Jeff

Jeff and Alyce, I am so glad you had a good day today.

Happy Bday, Alyce!
clo

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> Good job, Doris!  When do you get to go back again?
>
> Betty

January 2004.  Have our reservations.
Blowing 120,000 FF points on first class seats.
Pray that United is still flying.  Pray that no
goofnuts have started blowing up planes again.
Pray that we've decided to quit warring.
Pray that SARS has died a quiet death.

Betty, you didn't react to that "professional
California photographer." Anyone you know?

              - D. M.

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>
> It was a perfect, sunny Sunday afternoon that I shall not soon forget.
>
> --Jeff

Fantastic!  Thanks for reporting, Jeff.
And, Alyce, Happy Birthday to you!!!

           - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> http://incolor.inebraska.com/dmarkld

Great pictures!  And JMW now has a serious contender for Sexiest Legs.
When will there be a list fest again attended by both Gene and JMW?  We
need a side-by-side competition.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Well, my Oakland sojourn is just about over. I've made one of probably three
trips with my stuff back to SF. Lots of changes in the air. The most
upcomingest of changes is an addition to my household come Thursday. My
friends, Cait & Chris, are giving me a lovebird....here's a pic of the
species:

http://www.africanlovebirdsociety.com/species/nyasa.htm

Mine looks very much like the green one. I saw him yesterday. He's at their
home til I'm back in the city this week. And he's a baby...still being
handheld to make him civilized. I haven't had a bird since I was 14 or so (a
parakeet). This bird, I'm calling him Boyd, is very verbal, very sweet and I
think it's going to be fun. Lord knows, my cat is looking forward to a new
face. It's a breed of parrot. Very small and likely to live upwards of a
dozen or more years. Anyone else have birds? I understand this species (is
there still a Nyasaland??? is rather rare. Somehow he got lumped in with
some peach-faced love birds and Petco decided not to sell him...so he's
mine.

Now, to do a resume. I'm completing a course on property mgmt...not as dry
as I expected. And then it's time to start knocking on doors. Lord, it's
been a longtime since I loooked for a gig. That's life.

Sandra

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At 05:32 PM 4/27/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> > Good job, Doris!  When do you get to go back again?
> >
> > Betty
>
>January 2004.  Have our reservations.
>Blowing 120,000 FF points on first class seats.
>Pray that United is still flying.  Pray that no
>goofnuts have started blowing up planes again.
>Pray that we've decided to quit warring.
>Pray that SARS has died a quiet death.
>
>Betty, you didn't react to that "professional
>California photographer." Anyone you know?
>
>               - D. M.

Yes, it made me smile.  We had a great rainbow here Friday night and
thought about that exact photo.

Betty

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Sunday, April 27, 2003, 2:52:51 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> A Quick Launch Toolbar - how exciting! I have been looking for one on my
> Dell, but so far have not found it.

Try F1.

Karen

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> And I do not know whether it was a good idea to report about it all here, but
> this could not be so awfully wrong.

Calling was good.  Reporting was good.  Job well done all around.

--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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Happy birthday, Alyce!  Marie is now in charge of making
sure offspring of these plants are properly disseminated
among wordslers.  Thanks for the report, Jeff.

alyce cresap wrote:

> Adam and Marie left an hour ago following a memorable 70th birthday
> party for Alyce. They came laden with gifts and left with some gifts of
> their own. Adam brought lox and bagels (real NYC deli) and Marie brought
> homemade chicken soup and the fixings for hot fudge sundaes. They were
> spectacular--served in old-fashioned tall sundae glasses with long
> spoons; vanilla ice cream, hot fudge, whipped cream and a cherry on top.
> Alyce's appetite isn't always massive, but she managed to consume most
> of hers. Adam got a photo to prove it.
>
> Marie managed to dig several fine specimens from Alyce's garden,
> including bee balm, irises, bluebells, and day lilies--barely managing
> to close her car trunk on top of them. They also both left with some
> selections from Alyce's eclectic LP collection.
>
> Alyce description of the pair as delightful people proved to be most
> accurate, and I feel fortunate to have had the opportunity to meet them.
> I hope the opportunity may arise to meet some other wordslers in person,
> as well.
>
> It was a perfect, sunny Sunday afternoon that I shall not soon forget.
>
> --Jeff
>
>


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        The St. Louis Zoo has a big bird cage full of bee eaters or
some such that look like this guy.

S Hess wrote:

> Well, my Oakland sojourn is just about over. I've made one of probably three
> trips with my stuff back to SF. Lots of changes in the air. The most
> upcomingest of changes is an addition to my household come Thursday. My
> friends, Cait & Chris, are giving me a lovebird....here's a pic of the
> species:
>
> http://www.africanlovebirdsociety.com/species/nyasa.htm
>
> Mine looks very much like the green one. I saw him yesterday. He's at their
> home til I'm back in the city this week. And he's a baby...still being
> handheld to make him civilized. I haven't had a bird since I was 14 or so (a
> parakeet). This bird, I'm calling him Boyd, is very verbal, very sweet and I
> think it's going to be fun. Lord knows, my cat is looking forward to a new
> face. It's a breed of parrot. Very small and likely to live upwards of a
> dozen or more years. Anyone else have birds? I understand this species (is
> there still a Nyasaland??? is rather rare. Somehow he got lumped in with
> some peach-faced love birds and Petco decided not to sell him...so he's
> mine.
>
> Now, to do a resume. I'm completing a course on property mgmt...not as dry
> as I expected. And then it's time to start knocking on doors. Lord, it's
> been a longtime since I loooked for a gig. That's life.
>
> Sandra
>
>


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Nice! ... and quilts of the classic Hawaiian style!

AS

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>Try F1.

Thanks. This remains quite frustrating. The QL bar apparently works only
or primarily for internet access. I am looking for a bar or panel that
will let me get to many programs from it. Why is everything so hidden? Oh
for Apple-type pulldown menus!

I suppose I will find everything eventually by simply pressing every key
or opening everything that will open. But what a nuisance.

I recall a piece that circulated on the web a number of years ago - in
the early 90s, as I recall - showing that Mac/Apple users were
Roman Catholics - we liked everything hidden behind a screen - while PC
users were Protestants, because we (I used both systems still then) liked
everything out in the open. That seems backwards today - but of course
that was during DOS days.

Bethany

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I meant to ask earlier:  What did Alyce think of bagels?
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Thanks. This remains quite frustrating. The QL bar apparently works only
> or primarily for internet access. I am looking for a bar or panel that
> will let me get to many programs from it. Why is everything so hidden? Oh
> for Apple-type pulldown menus!

I don't understand exactly what you think is hidden.  Things are
wherever you put them.  When you install applications, you tell the
installation wizard or whatever the stupid name is which directory to
put them in.  You can then put a shortcut wherever you want to.

> I recall a piece that circulated on the web a number of years ago - in
> the early 90s, as I recall - showing that Mac/Apple users were
> Roman Catholics - we liked everything hidden behind a screen - while PC
> users were Protestants, because we (I used both systems still then) liked
> everything out in the open. That seems backwards today - but of course
> that was during DOS days.

Not backwards to me.  Macs seem quite mysterious to me.  Though I agree
that Winshit has done as much as possible to obscure the workings, as
long as there's a DOS prompt, things are still less hidden than on a
Mac.

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In spite of my brilliant lead, Bad Betty is creeping up on me.  I bet
Bonniemae has taught her how to cheat.

Meanwhile, I am unhappy that Wmart's orange roughy is now from China
instead of New Zealand.  But I bought the last bag of the old NZ or, a
few pieces of which I'm about to consume.  After this bag is empty, I'm
not sure what to do.  I might get SARS from eating Chinese or.

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On 27 Apr 2003 at 18:56, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> The QL bar apparently works only or primarily for internet access.

I can't imagine where you got that impression. This isn't hard stuff. Just find
the icon for the program you want and drag it to the quick-launch toolbar. It
should stay there and provide one-click startup for that program. This
assumes you have the quick-launch toolbar activated (Right click on the
toolbar at the bottom of the screen (or wherever you may have moved it)
and choose toolbars from the popup menu. There should be a check mark
beside quick launch.) I don't know that there is any practical limit to the
number of items you can put there.

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I don't understand exactly what you think is hidden.  Things are
>wherever you put them.  When you install applications, you tell the
>installation wizard or whatever the stupid name is which directory to
>put them in.  You can then put a shortcut wherever you want to.

When I turn on a Mac, I can immediately find anything on the computer by
accessing a pull-down menu. I am looking for something similar on the
Dell. I have not installed anything - well, I have installed two
programs, but I know exactly where they are. What I want to know is
how to go immediately to all the stuff that was on the computer when I
received it.

And where does one put some icon or whatever that tells one where a
shortcut is located? IOW, what IS a shortcut? And why do we need them?
Why are other things all <longcuts>?

Are you suggesting that I simply quite using Windows and go back to DOS
commands? I can probably do that - maybe that is what I should do. If I
can. The computer opens in Windows. Maybe Windows IS the real problem.

Bethany

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Meanwhile, I am unhappy that Wmart's orange roughy is now from China
>instead of New Zealand.  But I bought the last bag of the old NZ or, a
>few pieces of which I'm about to consume.  After this bag is empty, I'm
>not sure what to do.  I might get SARS from eating Chinese or.

I just heard on NPR that all orange roughy is 50-80 years old before we
eat it.

Bethany

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

>I can't imagine where you got that impression. This isn't hard stuff. Just find
>the icon for the program you want and drag it to the quick-launch toolbar. It
>should stay there and provide one-click startup for that program. This
>assumes you have the quick-launch toolbar activated (Right click on the
>toolbar at the bottom of the screen (or wherever you may have moved it)
>and choose toolbars from the popup menu. There should be a check mark
>beside quick launch.) I don't know that there is any practical limit to the
>number of items you can put there.

I got that impression from some of the instructions for newbies I found
in Windows. I am trying to figure out how to have a toolbar. The only
thing I have are a few little icons at the bottom of thes screen. On the
left is a START button, which I have learned will provide some
directory-type information, with items that can be opened by
clicking, then some icons that tell about hardware, battery, etc. Is that
what you mean by a toolbar? If so, okay, I can see that one might be able
to drag something there.

How do I make an alias? I don't want to put my only icons there in case I
screw them up.

Bethany

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How does one get out of Windows if the computer opens in WIndows?

Bethany

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On 27 Apr 2003 at 19:22, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> When I turn on a Mac, I can immediately find anything on the computer
> by accessing a pull-down menu.

Which menu would that be?

> What I want to know is how to go immediately to all the stuff that was
> on the computer when I received it.

Surely you've discovered the start menu.



> And where does one put some icon or whatever that tells one where a
> shortcut is located? IOW, what IS a shortcut? And why do we need them?

The whole point of the shortcut is to spare you from having to remember where any of that
stuff is located. It's no different from the iconized aliases on your Macintosh desktop.


> Are you suggesting that I simply quite using Windows and go back to
> DOS commands?

If that were practical, Natalie would be doing it, which she isn't.

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Sunday, April 27, 2003, 5:56:48 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Thanks. This remains quite frustrating. The QL bar apparently works only
> or primarily for internet access.

Nope--it works for everything. I have no idea how you got that idea. I
only have 10 programs there now, because I only installed this
operating system last week. When I'm done, I expect I'll have 30 or so
programs there.

Karen

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Maybe it's similar to those Lorikeets that zoos use to generate profit.

Sandra
>         The St. Louis Zoo has a big bird cage full of bee eaters or
> some such that look like this guy. (Rita)
>
> S Hess wrote:
>
> > Well, my Oakland sojourn is just about over. I've made one of
> probably three
> > trips with my stuff back to SF. Lots of changes in the air. The most
> > upcomingest of changes is an addition to my household come Thursday. My
> > friends, Cait & Chris, are giving me a lovebird....here's a pic of the
> > species:
> >
> > http://www.africanlovebirdsociety.com/species/nyasa.htm
> >
> > Mine looks very much like the green one. I saw him yesterday.
> He's at their
> > home til I'm back in the city this week. And he's a baby...still being
> > handheld to make him civilized. I haven't had a bird since I
> was 14 or so (a
> > parakeet). This bird, I'm calling him Boyd, is very verbal,
> very sweet and I
> > think it's going to be fun. Lord knows, my cat is looking
> forward to a new
> > face. It's a breed of parrot. Very small and likely to live upwards of a
> > dozen or more years. Anyone else have birds? I understand this
> species (is
> > there still a Nyasaland??? is rather rare. Somehow he got lumped in with
> > some peach-faced love birds and Petco decided not to sell him...so he's
> > mine.
> >
> > Now, to do a resume. I'm completing a course on property
> mgmt...not as dry
> > as I expected. And then it's time to start knocking on doors. Lord, it's
> > been a longtime since I loooked for a gig. That's life.
> >
> > Sandra
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>
>

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I'm guessing she's going to overtake me on the next move, even though I
had all the early breaks.

Ok, before anybody has to say it -- I will quit giving blow-by-blows of
Scrabble games.  It's just that this is a new and exciting adventure for
me.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sunday, April 27, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> I am trying to figure out how to have a toolbar. The only
> thing I have are a few little icons at the bottom of thes screen.

Those are on the toolbar.

> How do I make an alias? I don't want to put my only icons there in case I
> screw them up.

Press F1 and look up 'create a shortcut'.

Windows Explorer is your friend.

Karen

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On 27 Apr 2003 at 19:35, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> I am trying to figure out how to have a toolbar. The only thing I have
> are a few little icons at the bottom of thes screen.

Unless you've changed something from the standard installation, you've got at least one. It's
that (probably) gray strip across the bottom of the screen with the start menu at the left end.
You probably have three icons at the left: one to show the desktop, one for Outlook Express,
and one for Internet Explorer. You may have some on the right end representing programs
that get loaded at startup and run in the background.

As I suggested before, you activate a quick-launch toolbar that overlays the existing one.
Right-click (a foreign concept for Macintosh users) on the existing toolbar and choose quick
launch from the popup menu.

> On the left is a START button, which I have learned will provide some
> directory-type information,

Well, it's a bit more than that. It provides direct access to installed programs and directories.
If you choose start > programs, you get a flyout menu with various choices. If the menu item
is a program, clicking launches it. It the item is a directory, clicking produces another flyout
menu and so on.


> How do I make an alias? I don't want to put my only icons there in
> case I screw them up.

Icons aren't rationed. You can have as many as you want. If you want a program icon on the
desktop right-click on the desktop and choose new, then shortcut and be led by the create-
shortcut wizard.

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sandra wrote:

> Maybe it's similar to those Lorikeets that zoos use to generate profit.


        No, the Lorikeets are in the Children's Zoo.  They were cool
for like the first month they were there, but now they're
vicious, nasty things that try to rip your flesh from the
bones if you dare delay in handing over their little cup of
syrup.

        The bee eaters are in the River's Edge right before you get
to the hippos.  The hippos are way cool.



> Sandra
>
>>        The St. Louis Zoo has a big bird cage full of bee eaters or
>>some such that look like this guy. (Rita)
>>
>>S Hess wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Well, my Oakland sojourn is just about over. I've made one of
>>>
>>probably three
>>
>>>trips with my stuff back to SF. Lots of changes in the air. The most
>>>upcomingest of changes is an addition to my household come Thursday. My
>>>friends, Cait & Chris, are giving me a lovebird....here's a pic of the
>>>species:
>>>
>>>http://www.africanlovebirdsociety.com/species/nyasa.htm
>>>
>>>Mine looks very much like the green one. I saw him yesterday.
>>>
>>He's at their
>>
>>>home til I'm back in the city this week. And he's a baby...still being
>>>handheld to make him civilized. I haven't had a bird since I
>>>
>>was 14 or so (a
>>
>>>parakeet). This bird, I'm calling him Boyd, is very verbal,
>>>
>>very sweet and I
>>
>>>think it's going to be fun. Lord knows, my cat is looking
>>>
>>forward to a new
>>
>>>face. It's a breed of parrot. Very small and likely to live upwards of a
>>>dozen or more years. Anyone else have birds? I understand this
>>>
>>species (is
>>
>>>there still a Nyasaland??? is rather rare. Somehow he got lumped in with
>>>some peach-faced love birds and Petco decided not to sell him...so he's
>>>mine.
>>>
>>>Now, to do a resume. I'm completing a course on property
>>>
>>mgmt...not as dry
>>
>>>as I expected. And then it's time to start knocking on doors. Lord, it's
>>>been a longtime since I loooked for a gig. That's life.
>>>
>>>Sandra
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>In spite of my brilliant lead, Bad Betty is creeping up on me.  I bet
>Bonniemae has taught her how to cheat.
>  -- Natalie

I assure it that it was very much the other way around.  It took me weeks
to figure out all the ways that she was cheating.


    --bonniev

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>Ok, before anybody has to say it -- I will quit giving blow-by-blows of
>Scrabble games.  -- Natalie

Thank you.


    --bonniev

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> When I turn on a Mac, I can immediately find anything on the computer by
> accessing a pull-down menu. I am looking for something similar on the
> Dell.

I'm sure others can give you better advice since they're more into this
kind of stuff than I am.  But when I turn on my Compaq (like the Dell
that preceded it in my life), I can immediately find anything on the
computer by any one (my choice) of various means.  I can find things via
the icons I've got sitting on the <desktop> or by Explorer or by a
search or whatever.

> I have not installed anything - well, I have installed two
> programs, but I know exactly where they are. What I want to know is
> how to go immediately to all the stuff that was on the computer when I
> received it.

My memory of Mac use was that you couldn't necessarily "go immediately"
to something if you didn't know where it was.  Seems to me you'd have to
locate it via your pull-down menus first.  You can locate things on
Winshits via Explorer or via the Programs thing in the Start menu or by
Search or no doubt by lots of other ways that I'm not think about since
I normally delete things that come pre-installed on computers and put
what I want on them where I want such stuff to be.

> And where does one put some icon or whatever that tells one where a
> shortcut is located? IOW, what IS a shortcut? And why do we need them?
> Why are other things all <longcuts>?

A shortcut saves clicks.  E.g., instead of going to Programs and then to
Wordperfect, you can put a shortcut wherever you want it -- on the
desktop or in some other directory or wherever -- and just click on that
shortcut to go there from wherever you are.  Much simpler than having to
fool around with a pull-down menu, imho.

> Are you suggesting that I simply quite using Windows and go back to DOS
> commands?

No.  I can't imagine why you would want to do that.  Even I don't use
DOS for many things these days (though there are some things I don't
know how to do any other way -- like copying pictures to my picture
CD).  And you, as somebody who likes the iconish style, would certainly
not want to use DOS.

> I can probably do that - maybe that is what I should do. If I
> can. The computer opens in Windows. Maybe Windows IS the real problem.

I preferred the pre-Windows days.  I can't deny that.  But I would say
your problem is the same problem I have with Macs.  I'm not used to how
things are done on Macs.  Even after using one for a whole year, I found
it confusing, though I did manage to get along.  You will probably
always find non-Macs confusing, but I think you can manage to get along
if you want to.  If not, just send that Dell notebook to me.  Tell UT
that it's for a good cause -- that a loyal alum needs it.

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At 07:40 PM 4/27/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>How does one get out of Windows if the computer opens in WIndows?
>
>Bethany

Prayer and fasting.

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At 08:13 PM 4/27/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>In spite of my brilliant lead, Bad Betty is creeping up on me.  I bet
>>Bonniemae has taught her how to cheat.
>>  -- Natalie
>
>I assure it that it was very much the other way around.  It took me weeks
>to figure out all the ways that she was cheating.

Uh-huh.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I just heard on NPR that all orange roughy is 50-80 years old before we
> eat it.

That sounds familiar.  I think I read that several years ago -- that
orange roughies are huge fish that live way down in the water and that
live many years.  I also have it stuck in my head that we might have
discussed that here and that Tony said something about them -- like they
were endangered perhaps?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>>I assure it that it was very much the other way around.  It took me weeks
>>to figure out all the ways that she was cheating.
>
>Uh-huh.

And I still haven't figured out one thing that I'm sure you are doing.


    --bonniev

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

>On 27 Apr 2003 at 19:22, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
>> When I turn on a Mac, I can immediately find anything on the computer
>> by accessing a pull-down menu.
>
>Which menu would that be?

Depends on whether I want system info, programs, etc. But all the menus
are right together, and to open one all I have to do is click.

>> What I want to know is how to go immediately to all the stuff that was
>> on the computer when I received it.
>
>Surely you've discovered the start menu.

Of course. It does not take me directly to things like how to create a
toolbar, how to make a toolbar be two lines, how to create a taskbar,
etc.

Thanks for the additional comments. I am encouraged  - clearly some of
you find Windows machines useable.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> How does one get out of Windows if the computer opens in WIndows?

I'm not sure what you mean by getting out of it.  I haven't checked to
see whether in recent versions one can be *truly* out of it.  You can
feel that you're out of Windows by going to DOS.  I can't remember where
one finds that option originally -- as in before making a shortcut for
it.  I always make such a shortcut immediately upon changing computers
or upgrading Winshit versions.  I'm sure somebody else can tell you.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Thanks for that report, Jeff!!

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Sunday, April 27, 2003, 7:16:40 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Of course. It does not take me directly to things like how to create a
> toolbar, how to make a toolbar be two lines, how to create a taskbar,
> etc.

I don't know that you *can* create a toolbar. The QL feature is
already there--you just have to activate it. As for sizing the
toolbar, what part of 'drag and drop' don't you get? Almost everything
in Windows can be resized by dragging. I have no idea what 'create a
taskbar' means.

> Thanks for the additional comments. I am encouraged  - clearly some of
> you find Windows machines useable.

If Macs were so useable, they'd have a larger market share...

Karen

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Sunday, April 27, 2003, 3:08:28 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> I must confess. I telephoned Alyce yesterday. To hear her voice and thank her.

I'm so happy that you did this, Kristin.

> And I do not know whether it was a good idea to report about it all here, but
> this could not be so awfully wrong.

No--I'm glad to know that you did.

Karen

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All of the plants are now in the ground and will be disseminated a) if I manage to keep them alive and b) if the deer don't eat them all and c) when we figure how one might go about that -- you coming my way?

Marie


----- Original Message -----
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
Date: Sunday, April 27, 2003 6:41 pm
Subject: Re: A good time was had by all

> Happy birthday, Alyce!  Marie is now in charge of making
> sure offspring of these plants are properly disseminated
> among wordslers.  Thanks for the report, Jeff.
>
> alyce cresap wrote:
>
> > Adam and Marie left an hour ago following a memorable 70th birthday
> > party for Alyce. They came laden with gifts and left with some
> gifts of
> > their own. Adam brought lox and bagels (real NYC deli) and Marie
> brought> homemade chicken soup and the fixings for hot fudge
> sundaes. They were
> > spectacular--served in old-fashioned tall sundae glasses with long
> > spoons; vanilla ice cream, hot fudge, whipped cream and a cherry
> on top.
> > Alyce's appetite isn't always massive, but she managed to
> consume most
> > of hers. Adam got a photo to prove it.
> >
> > Marie managed to dig several fine specimens from Alyce's garden,
> > including bee balm, irises, bluebells, and day lilies--barely
> managing> to close her car trunk on top of them. They also both
> left with some
> > selections from Alyce's eclectic LP collection.
> >
> > Alyce description of the pair as delightful people proved to be most
> > accurate, and I feel fortunate to have had the opportunity to
> meet them.
> > I hope the opportunity may arise to meet some other wordslers in
> person,> as well.
> >
> > It was a perfect, sunny Sunday afternoon that I shall not soon
> forget.>
> > --Jeff
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>
>

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One of the things that continues to be a source of amazement and enjoyment
in this area is how rapidly the character of the sky changes.  This morning
we awoke to the last vestiges of a cool rain and low temperatures and as I
posted earlier, the promise of mid-50s (12 C or thereabouts) seemed
remote.  Through most of the morning and early afternoon it continued to be
cool and overcast.  Then, late in the afternoon, as I was preparing to
start the grill, the sky was clear and blue, the northeast wind had died,
and it was beautiful.  One commercial flight, clearly on a route to Europe,
was brilliantly silver in the sunlight as it led its contrail to the
northeast.  After supper, the sky had changed again, under the influence of
an upper-level NNW wind which pushed clouds rapidly across the sky.  Down
here, it still was mostly calm; at least two species of frogs were
celebrating the abundant water in the small stream across the way.

It is dark now, lots of high clouds and few stars.  Tomorrow is supposed to
reach the mid-60s.  Time to break out the shorts.

cwv

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        See you at the 'fest.

Marie Ascher wrote:

> All of the plants are now in the ground and will be disseminated a) if I manage to keep them alive and b) if the deer don't eat them all and c) when we figure how one might go about that -- you coming my way?
>
> Marie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
> Date: Sunday, April 27, 2003 6:41 pm
> Subject: Re: A good time was had by all
>
>
>>Happy birthday, Alyce!  Marie is now in charge of making
>>sure offspring of these plants are properly disseminated
>>among wordslers.  Thanks for the report, Jeff.
>>
>>alyce cresap wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Adam and Marie left an hour ago following a memorable 70th birthday
>>>party for Alyce. They came laden with gifts and left with some
>>>
>>gifts of
>>
>>>their own. Adam brought lox and bagels (real NYC deli) and Marie
>>>
>>brought> homemade chicken soup and the fixings for hot fudge
>>sundaes. They were
>>
>>>spectacular--served in old-fashioned tall sundae glasses with long
>>>spoons; vanilla ice cream, hot fudge, whipped cream and a cherry
>>>
>>on top.
>>
>>>Alyce's appetite isn't always massive, but she managed to
>>>
>>consume most
>>
>>>of hers. Adam got a photo to prove it.
>>>
>>>Marie managed to dig several fine specimens from Alyce's garden,
>>>including bee balm, irises, bluebells, and day lilies--barely
>>>
>>managing> to close her car trunk on top of them. They also both
>>left with some
>>
>>>selections from Alyce's eclectic LP collection.
>>>
>>>Alyce description of the pair as delightful people proved to be most
>>>accurate, and I feel fortunate to have had the opportunity to
>>>
>>meet them.
>>
>>>I hope the opportunity may arise to meet some other wordslers in
>>>
>>person,> as well.
>>
>>>It was a perfect, sunny Sunday afternoon that I shall not soon
>>>
>>forget.>
>>
>>>--Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On 27 Apr 2003 at 20:16, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> Thanks for the additional comments. I am encouraged  - clearly some of
> you find Windows machines useable.

Much resides in attitude.

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I've been meaning to tell you that I've been wearing my Tallinn t-shirt
this whole weekend.  Every time I remember what I have on, I think of
you.

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Thank you all for your comments this weekend - they have been very
helpful. Probably some individuals who acquire Dells and other Windows
machines receive printed literature with them. That would have been
helpful. Until today, for instance, I did not know that Windows Explorer
existed! I have now recognized that I have a toolbar, and I have found
(indirectly, not directly yet) WE.

This is all quite ironic. I was a PC user for many years. I regarded the
Apples as toys when they appeared on the scene. I used my first one (an
Apple, not yet a Mac) when I began beta-testing some software for an Oak
Ridge firm. The software ran only on Apples, so Apple gave me a
loaner. For several years, I had both a PC and an Apple, later Mac,
sitting on my UT desk. Eventually, I had to choose between the
systems, for I could not continue to get both upgraded periodically.
At that time, the Mac was greatly superior for linguistic software
and analysis (sound, graphics), so the choice was a no-brainer. I suspect
there is little inherent difference today. Nonetheless, I greatly prefer
the Mac, partly because I find it completely intuitive - and I obviously
do not find anything about the Dell intuitive. I find it very
counter-intuitive.

I'll now spend a few days following your various suggestions. I very much
hope that I find this machine suitable for classroom use at least through
December. This week, I'll try to order a DVD and floppy drive - the
CD-ROM drive is removable, and I have been told that I can use both the
other drives with the machine.

Natalie, I regret that though the machine was a freebie, it does not
belong to me - it is state property, so it may be difficult for me to find
a way to send it to you. But if you want to be involved in a joint
research project such that you need to use a piece of UT equipment ...let
me know!

Bethany

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >In spite of my brilliant lead, Bad Betty is creeping up on me.  I bet
> >Bonniemae has taught her how to cheat.
> >  -- Natalie
>
> I assure it that it was very much the other way around.  It took me weeks
> to figure out all the ways that she was cheating.

Well, I am convinced she must be cheating.  She pulled within one point
on her last play.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>If Macs were so useable, they'd have a larger market share...

An interesting theory.

Bethany

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----- Original Message -----
From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> I meant to ask earlier:  What did Alyce think of bagels?

Alyce didn't have a bagel. She doesn't have much of an appetite and between bagels and hot fudge sundae, hot fudge sundae won out. Bagels are pretty strenuous food, I think.

Marie

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Nope. Unless I'm told otherwise by my mama, I'm going to Spain. She goes, I go.

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
Date: Sunday, April 27, 2003 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: A good time was had by all

>        See you at the 'fest.
>
> Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> > All of the plants are now in the ground and will be disseminated
> a) if I manage to keep them alive and b) if the deer don't eat
> them all and c) when we figure how one might go about that -- you
> coming my way?
> >
> > Marie
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
> > Date: Sunday, April 27, 2003 6:41 pm
> > Subject: Re: A good time was had by all
> >
> >
> >>Happy birthday, Alyce!  Marie is now in charge of making
> >>sure offspring of these plants are properly disseminated
> >>among wordslers.  Thanks for the report, Jeff.
> >>
> >>alyce cresap wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Adam and Marie left an hour ago following a memorable 70th birthday
> >>>party for Alyce. They came laden with gifts and left with some
> >>>
> >>gifts of
> >>
> >>>their own. Adam brought lox and bagels (real NYC deli) and Marie
> >>>
> >>brought> homemade chicken soup and the fixings for hot fudge
> >>sundaes. They were
> >>
> >>>spectacular--served in old-fashioned tall sundae glasses with long
> >>>spoons; vanilla ice cream, hot fudge, whipped cream and a cherry
> >>>
> >>on top.
> >>
> >>>Alyce's appetite isn't always massive, but she managed to
> >>>
> >>consume most
> >>
> >>>of hers. Adam got a photo to prove it.
> >>>
> >>>Marie managed to dig several fine specimens from Alyce's garden,
> >>>including bee balm, irises, bluebells, and day lilies--barely
> >>>
> >>managing> to close her car trunk on top of them. They also both
> >>left with some
> >>
> >>>selections from Alyce's eclectic LP collection.
> >>>
> >>>Alyce description of the pair as delightful people proved to be
> most>>>accurate, and I feel fortunate to have had the opportunity to
> >>>
> >>meet them.
> >>
> >>>I hope the opportunity may arise to meet some other wordslers in
> >>>
> >>person,> as well.
> >>
> >>>It was a perfect, sunny Sunday afternoon that I shall not soon
> >>>
> >>forget.>
> >>
> >>>--Jeff
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> >>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> >>http://www.etext.org/~rita
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>
>

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        Doesn't matter.  Those are all pretty aggressive plants.
I'll get some off you in the next few years.

Marie Ascher wrote:

> Nope. Unless I'm told otherwise by my mama, I'm going to Spain. She goes, I go.
>
> Marie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
> Date: Sunday, April 27, 2003 8:39 pm
> Subject: Re: A good time was had by all
>
>
>>       See you at the 'fest.
>>
>>Marie Ascher wrote:
>>
>>
>>>All of the plants are now in the ground and will be disseminated
>>>
>>a) if I manage to keep them alive and b) if the deer don't eat
>>them all and c) when we figure how one might go about that -- you
>>coming my way?
>>
>>>Marie
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
>>>Date: Sunday, April 27, 2003 6:41 pm
>>>Subject: Re: A good time was had by all
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Happy birthday, Alyce!  Marie is now in charge of making
>>>>sure offspring of these plants are properly disseminated
>>>>among wordslers.  Thanks for the report, Jeff.
>>>>
>>>>alyce cresap wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Adam and Marie left an hour ago following a memorable 70th birthday
>>>>>party for Alyce. They came laden with gifts and left with some
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>gifts of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>their own. Adam brought lox and bagels (real NYC deli) and Marie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>brought> homemade chicken soup and the fixings for hot fudge
>>>>sundaes. They were
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>spectacular--served in old-fashioned tall sundae glasses with long
>>>>>spoons; vanilla ice cream, hot fudge, whipped cream and a cherry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>on top.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Alyce's appetite isn't always massive, but she managed to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>consume most
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>of hers. Adam got a photo to prove it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Marie managed to dig several fine specimens from Alyce's garden,
>>>>>including bee balm, irises, bluebells, and day lilies--barely
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>managing> to close her car trunk on top of them. They also both
>>>>left with some
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>selections from Alyce's eclectic LP collection.
>>>>>
>>>>>Alyce description of the pair as delightful people proved to be
>>>>>
>>most>>>accurate, and I feel fortunate to have had the opportunity to
>>
>>>>meet them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I hope the opportunity may arise to meet some other wordslers in
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>person,> as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>It was a perfect, sunny Sunday afternoon that I shall not soon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>forget.>
>>>>
>>>>>--Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>>>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>>>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Jeff:
> Alyce description of the pair as delightful people proved to be most
> accurate, and I feel fortunate to have had the opportunity to meet
> them.

Likewise. Thanks for helping me with the digging!

Marie

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With list subscribers from such a variety of locations around the planet,
I suppose that it's not at all surprising
that someone lives in the area of concern: ---

--- My local hospital, the Scarborough Grace Hospital
(started by the Salvation Army)
is the center of the S.A.R.S. outbreak for the northern hemisphere,
and also for the western hemisphere.

--- My closest bus stop, a short block to my west,
is one inch from the property of my local high school,
which was shut down with a temporary quarantine,
because a student broke her 10-day quarantine on the 10th day,
to write an exam, and infected who-knows-how-many,
and exposed hundreds to possible infection.

--- People quarantined for 10 days develop S.A.R.S. on the 12th day,
but the medical specialists never consider extending the quarantine
to 12 days.

--- In the closest funeral home to my west (the Highland Funeral Home),
they had a funeral service for someone who had died from S.A.R.S.
The medical people did not decide that S.A.R.S. had been the cause
of death until 3 days after the funeral service.
This caused hundreds of mourners to be exposed.
The virus can live for 24 hours on doorknobs, toilets, etc.

--- A doctor who has treated S.A.R.S. patients went to a party,
drank some, and woke up the next day with a slight fever, and feeling bad.
He decided that it was a hangover, went to two funeral services,
and then somehow someone discovered that his feeling rotten
was not a hangover, but S.A.R.S., and that he had exposed hundreds
to S.A.R.S. at each of the funeral services.
When authorities insisted that he be quarantined, he objected,
saying that he was very conscientious and careful, and was sure that
he just had a hangover from the party.

--- A patient complaining that he probably had S.A.R.S.
went to the emergency area of one or more hospitals,
and was sent home three times,
because the medical people said that he did not have S.A.R.S.
Then, he attended a conference of Phillipino Roman Catholics,
with 600 other people.
Then, he died of S.A.R.S.

--- In the pharmacy a block west of me, a sign advertises
the N-95 masks which are the best hope of avoiding S.A.R.S.
for those who are near anyone infected.
Everyone in their dispensing area wears one.
No one in the rest of the store wears one.

--- In the pharmacy a block east of me, a sign advertises
the same N-95 masks.
No one in their store wears one.

--- According to rumours/reports in the newspapers,
business in the Chinese restaurants throughout the entire city,
and all businesses in the several China-towns within Toronto
are down disastrously.

--- In a local restaurant, a patron loudly criticized
everyone Chinese, saying that they brought S.A.R.S. to Canada.

--- A friend complained that a lot of Chinese people live in her building,
and that they brought S.A.R.S. to Canada.

--- Some people walking along the sidewalks wear masks.

--- In a local Chinese restaurant, the waitresses wear the masks.

--- A nurse who was treating S.A.R.S. patients road a commuter train
run by the Government of Ontario, known as a "GO" train,
and no one knows how many people she exposed,
in the train car, and on the waiting area for the trains.

--- A man was selling masks, but they were not N-95 masks.
They were masks to keep sawdust out of your lungs.
Why not sell the real thing ? Boxes of 20 masks cost only $50.
Who would be so stupid as to buy a sawdust mask instead of an N-95 ?

--- The Minister of Health for the federal government
has refused to declare a national emergency, apparently on the grounds
that no such national emergency was in the budget,
and that declaring one would cause unplanned expenditures.

--- The Premier of the Province of Ontario, Mr. Ernie Eves (?),
(corresponding to the governor of a state in United States),
has refused to provide any funds whatsoever to cope,
on the grounds that we will need to spend $10 billion to combat S.A.R.S.,
and that such expenditures were not planned in the budget.

--- Toronto's mayor, Mr. Mel Lastman, is furious that anyone
would believe that there is any danger of S.A.R.S. in Toronto.
He ignores the 16 people who died in agony,
and the hundreds or even thousands exposed to S.A.R.S.,
and is upset only because tourism and other businesses are down.

--- No one was willing to spend even one cent to enforce quarantines,
but the municipal government easily found about $10 million
to spend on public relations events to whitewash the image
in the minds of people throughout the world.

--- At federal, provincial, and municipal levels of governments,
they all behave as if there is no real danger,
and that it is all a matter of public relations and images.

--- The World Health Organization has declared that for 3 weeks,
there should be only essential travel to Toronto.
Politicians at all levels have attacked the announcement.
Why can't they instead attack the disease ?
They won't spend a dollar against the disease,
but millions on pretending that there is no danger.


Jim McIntosh

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
>        Doesn't matter.  Those are all pretty aggressive plants.
> I'll get some off you in the next few years.

It's a deal.

Marie

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> Ok, before anybody has to say it -- I will quit giving blow-by-blows of
> Scrabble games.  It's just that this is a new and exciting adventure for
> me.
>
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Good thing, elsewise, the rest of us with chime in with our stellar or
less-than-stellar moves.

Sandra

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>
> Alyce didn't have a bagel. She doesn't have much of an appetite
> and between bagels and hot fudge sundae, hot fudge sundae won
> out. Bagels are pretty strenuous food, I think.
>
> Marie
>

I love bagels, but Alice chose wisely.

Sandra

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

>  Nonetheless, I greatly prefer
> the Mac, partly because I find it completely intuitive - and I obviously
> do not find anything about the Dell intuitive. I find it very
> counter-intuitive.

You do know that mem is a regular user of a Mac, don't you?  (Or I think
he is.  I know he had been <intimate> with Macs in his life.)  Iow, not
all of the advice you've gotten is from Mac-stupid sorts like me.

> Natalie, I regret that though the machine was a freebie, it does not
> belong to me - it is state property, so it may be difficult for me to find
> a way to send it to you.

No, I knew it belonged to UT.  I just thought maybe if you didn't want
it, they'd be happy to give it to an alum.

> But if you want to be involved in a joint
> research project such that you need to use a piece of UT equipment ...let
> me know!

The reason I can do things like go romp with Spencer on the North Farm
and generally feel laid-back is I AM RETIRED!  I may (or may not)
continue to teach, but I ainta doing no more research.  Y'all would've
gotten some laughs out of my left foot and calf this afternoon.  Spencer
successfully leaped over a bog that I knew I couldn't leap over but that
I thought I might step over by stepping on little island-looking tufts
of grass.  Ha!  My left foot sank into the muck almost to my knee.
Reddish-brown gooey mud that squished being my toes and slimed all over
my Birkenstocks.  Horrible mess.  (But it beats having to worry about
research projects.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> Alyce didn't have a bagel. She doesn't have much of an appetite and between bagels and hot fudge sundae, hot fudge sundae won out.

She made a wise choice!

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 08:45 PM 4/27/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> > I meant to ask earlier:  What did Alyce think of bagels?
>
>Alyce didn't have a bagel. She doesn't have much of an appetite and
>between bagels and hot fudge sundae, hot fudge sundae won out. Bagels are
>pretty strenuous food, I think.

She is very smart.  Good choice.

Betty

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At 08:53 PM 4/27/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
>From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
> >        Doesn't matter.  Those are all pretty aggressive plants.
> > I'll get some off you in the next few years.
>
>It's a deal.

And we'll spread them across the whole country!

Betty

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On 27 Apr 2003 at 20:33, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> Nonetheless, I greatly prefer the Mac, partly because I
> find it completely intuitive - and I obviously do not find anything
> about the Dell intuitive. I find it very counter-intuitive.

One person's intuition is another person's bewilderment. I've owned four
Macintoshes (still have two of them), and I've never found them particularly
pleasant to use. I suppose if I could afford a $4,000 titanium laptop (if that's
the right description), I could bring myself to use it regularly.

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> Adam and Marie left an hour ago following a memorable 70th birthday
> party for Alyce. They came laden with gifts and left with some gifts of
> their own. Adam brought lox and bagels (real NYC deli) and Marie brought
> homemade chicken soup and the fixings for hot fudge sundaes. They were
> spectacular--served in old-fashioned tall sundae glasses with long
> spoons; vanilla ice cream, hot fudge, whipped cream and a cherry on top.
> Alyce's appetite isn't always massive, but she managed to consume most
> of hers. Adam got a photo to prove it.

The bagels are from a real Jewish bagel shop, but alas, not NYC -
Longmeadow, Massachusetts. :) I hope Alyce at least tries them. I had one
with dinner when I got home. 3 bagels in one day...way more carbs than I'm
used to, but they're oh-so-good.

I have mailed said photo to Tushar for posting on the Words-L web site.
Those sundaes sure looked good. Marie outdid herself. In the front hallway
we put the birthday candles into Alyce's sundae, and I lit them, and all of
a sudden remembered that giving flame to someone on oxygen Was Not A Good
Idea, so I blew them out, put them in my hand, and then had Alyce pantomine
blowing them out after we went in singing Happy Birthday. It was cute.

> Marie managed to dig several fine specimens from Alyce's garden,
> including bee balm, irises, bluebells, and day lilies--barely managing
> to close her car trunk on top of them.

Marie announced that she had "raped and pillaged" Alyce's garden. Meanwhile,
I wandered about aimlessly enjoying the beautiful weather. I am not a
gardener. Marie has gotten a sassy haircut since SnowBash.

Natalie, Marie and I met at the store at which you and I stopped. I almost
bought more Nabs for Alyce but decided not to.

Karen and Paul, the irises which you sent were absolutely beautiful.

> Alyce description of the pair as delightful people proved to be most
> accurate, and I feel fortunate to have had the opportunity to meet them.
> I hope the opportunity may arise to meet some other wordslers in person,
> as well.

It was nice to meet you, too, Jeff. I hereby pronounce you a FOWL - a Friend
of Words-L. Maybe you'll subscribe yourself - speaking of which, Doug's
address from which he had subscribed apparently doesn't exist any more -
rankind@misslink.net or something like that?

> It was a perfect, sunny Sunday afternoon that I shall not soon forget.

Same here. I was very happy to see Alyce on her birthday.

I'm sure there's more to relate but I'm too wiped to remember it right now!
Oh, Betty, I left you a message on your cell phone.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> Thanks. This remains quite frustrating. The QL bar apparently works only
> or primarily for internet access. I am looking for a bar or panel that
> will let me get to many programs from it. Why is everything so hidden? Oh
> for Apple-type pulldown menus!

Not so.  To which address of yours can I send the .jpg of my Task Bar so you
can see how it works?

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Natalie, Marie and I met at the store at which you and I stopped. I almost
> bought more Nabs for Alyce but decided not to.

Wise move.  They were not good Nabs.  It's funny that I thought of that
store when writing that reply earlier today since it was after you and
Marie were enroute.

> It was nice to meet you, too, Jeff. I hereby pronounce you a FOWL - a Friend
> of Words-L. Maybe you'll subscribe yourself - speaking of which, Doug's
> address from which he had subscribed apparently doesn't exist any more -
> rankind@misslink.net or something like that?

I didn't know that Doug was ever a subscriber.  I remember that he kept
us posted on Alyce when she was in the hospital several years ago, but I
didn't remember that he was actually subscribed.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 09:07 PM 4/27/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>I'm sure there's more to relate but I'm too wiped to remember it right now!
>Oh, Betty, I left you a message on your cell phone.

Got it.  Thanks!  I'm so glad you guys did this.

Betty

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Betty wrote:
> > >        Doesn't matter.  Those are all pretty aggressive plants.
> > > I'll get some off you in the next few years.
> >
> >It's a deal.
>
> And we'll spread them across the whole country!

I like this idea!

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At 08:54 PM 4/27/2003 -0400, James McIntosh wrote:
>With list subscribers from such a variety of locations around the planet,
>I suppose that it's not at all surprising
>that someone lives in the area of concern:

Thank you.  The picture that you paint is depressing.  In a way, it is
reminiscent of the movie "Jaws," i.e., a lot of effort to avoid recognizing
(and acting upon) the obvious.  Clearly, the authorities in Beijing did the
same until recently.

cwv

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>You do know that mem is a regular user of a Mac, don't you?  (Or I think
>he is.  I know he had been <intimate> with Macs in his life.)  Iow, not
>all of the advice you've gotten is from Mac-stupid sorts like me.

I don't know if I knew that or not - perhaps.

Bethany

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> I meant to ask earlier:  What did Alyce think of bagels?

She didn't try any...yet. She was amused that I'd brought some. :D

Mine was quite delicious with the lox and cream cheese, I will say that.

--Adam
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sandra wrote:

> I love bagels, but Alice chose wisely.

You (and others reading this) might not have been on the list back when
we discussed bagels and found that Alyce had never eaten one.  It just
occurred to me that that should be mentioned for those who didn't know
that part of the picture.

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

>One person's intuition is another person's bewilderment. I've owned four
>Macintoshes (still have two of them), and I've never found them particularly
>pleasant to use. I suppose if I could afford a $4,000 titanium laptop (if that's
>the right description), I could bring myself to use it regularly.

$4000! That must buy many bells and whistles!

But even my much more modestly priced one is a joy to use. (I think my
total cost - including some accessories (drives, etc.) - was about $2200.)

Bethany

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Betty wrote:
> I'm so glad you guys did this.

Me too.  It makes me very happy.  But I must say that I had I thought
only one of the Wordslers who visited Alyce today was a guy.  I didn't
realize Marie had had a sex-change operation.

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Sunday, April 27, 2003, 7:33:41 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Until today, for instance, I did not know that Windows Explorer
> existed! I have now recognized that I have a toolbar, and I have found
> (indirectly, not directly yet) WE.

Windows Explorer is one of the things I have a link to in my QL
toolbar.

> Nonetheless, I greatly prefer the Mac, partly because I find it
> completely intuitive - and I obviously do not find anything about
> the Dell intuitive. I find it very counter-intuitive.

I can't believe you are misusing 'intuitive' that way. It's all
learned.

Karen

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>
> Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > And I do not know whether it was a good idea to report about it all here, but
> > this could not be so awfully wrong.

Please do not worry about your etiquette. It is fine. Don't worrtu at
all.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
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> I meant to ask earlier:  What did Alyce think of bagels?
> --
Pretty. Maybe tomorrow for a taste test.
allyce

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Pretty. Maybe tomorrow for a taste test.

Make sure that your teeth are feeling up to fierce battles.  The main
reason I'm not a bagel fan is that they're way too *tough* for my
tastes.  I hate their <texture>.

But I love that you are online!

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>Not so.  To which address of yours can I send the .jpg of my Task Bar so you
>can see how it works?

Adam, I know so little about WIndows machines that I am not even certain
that this is a joke!

Bethany

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Nonetheless, I greatly prefer the Mac, partly because I find it
>> completely intuitive - and I obviously do not find anything about
>> the Dell intuitive. I find it very counter-intuitive.
>
>I can't believe you are misusing 'intuitive' that way. It's all
>learned.

Apparently it would be learned for you. Our mileage varies.

Bethany

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> Adam, I know so little about WIndows machines that I am not even certain
> that this is a joke!
>
> Bethany

It's no joke; I took a picture of how my Quick Launch toolbar is integrated
with the Task Bar at the bottom of the screen.

But now I am going to bed, so if you want it, I'll send it to you tomorrow
night.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

>As I suggested before, you activate a quick-launch toolbar that overlays
the existing one.
>Right-click (a foreign concept for Macintosh users) on the existing
toolbar and choose quick
>launch from the popup menu.

I have now done that several times using both sides of the mouse to click
for quick-launch. All that happens is that the popup menus immediately
disappear.

???

Bethany

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I'm going nuts. IE, which I need for a particular website, gives me
the error "Internet Explorer could not open the search page". I
upgraded to 6SP1, and still get the error. What's wrong?

Karen

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Don't chase this url if you are likely to be offended by a cartoon that
makes fun of Laura Bush (and let me add that I have nothing at all
against Laura Bush) or offended by a cartoon that talks about reading to
dead babies.  I would not put something like this on my blog because I
do think it is of <questionable decency> in various respects.  Yet I
think it's funny, as do various other people who are not anti-Laura and
who do not find the idea of dead babies amusing.

So with the above warning/disclaimer, here's the cartoon:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0315/sutton.php

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Sunday, April 27, 2003, 8:48:43 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>> Nonetheless, I greatly prefer the Mac, partly because I find it
>>> completely intuitive - and I obviously do not find anything about
>>> the Dell intuitive. I find it very counter-intuitive.
>>
>>I can't believe you are misusing 'intuitive' that way. It's all
>>learned.

> Apparently it would be learned for you. Our mileage varies.

No. No one is born knowing how to use a computer.

Karen

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Hold it - I think I see what you mean:

>As I suggested before, you activate a quick-launch toolbar that overlays
the existing one.
>Right-click (a foreign concept for Macintosh users) on the existing
toolbar and choose quick >launch from the popup menu.

I assumed you meant that I would have a completely blank new toolbar on
top of the other one - stacked, that is. What I have, I see now, is a
toolbar minus the changes I made to it - and it covers up the original one
- or replaces it or something.

Whew!

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >Not so.  To which address of yours can I send the .jpg of my Task Bar so you
> >can see how it works?
>
> Adam, I know so little about WIndows machines that I am not even certain
> that this is a joke!

You have a way to view pictures that are sent via e-mail, right?  That's
all that Adam meant -- that he was going to send you a picture of his
taskbar so that you can see how his is set up -- what it looks like.

Iirc, Adam sent his to me one time when we were talking about taskbars.
That's when I learned that the old prtscrn key works for stuff like that
-- i.e., that's when I learned right here on Words-L that one can do a
screendump (I still miss my old DOS screendump utility though) and then
it hangs in the air somehow and can be dumped into something like
Wordpad and can be sent as an attachment via e-mail.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I normally delete things that come pre-installed on computers and put
>what I want on them where I want such stuff to be.

Hmmmm - since mine had various useful programs like Word and WP (useful
occasionally) and PowerPoint, etc., I did not want to delete them and
then have to buy new versions of programs I use daily. And while
I have a fantasy of learning and using Linux,it probably is not going to
happen in this lifetime! Are those the kinds of things you delete? Why?

Bethany

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I didn't see anything funny about it.

At 09:07 PM 4/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Don't chase this url if you are likely to be offended by a cartoon that
>makes fun of Laura Bush (and let me add that I have nothing at all
>against Laura Bush) or offended by a cartoon that talks about reading to
>dead babies.  I would not put something like this on my blog because I
>do think it is of <questionable decency> in various respects.  Yet I
>think it's funny, as do various other people who are not anti-Laura and
>who do not find the idea of dead babies amusing.
>
>So with the above warning/disclaimer, here's the cartoon:
>
>http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0315/sutton.php
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>It's no joke; I took a picture of how my Quick Launch toolbar is integrated
>with the Task Bar at the bottom of the screen.
>
>But now I am going to bed, so if you want it, I'll send it to you tomorrow
>night.

Great. When you get this message tomorrow, Adam, please send the .jpg to
dumasb@utk.edu.

Thanks!

Bethany

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On 27 Apr 2003 at 21:54, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> ???

Indeed. Do you mean the popup menu disappears before you make any
selection from it?

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On Sunday, April 27, 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 27 Apr 2003 at 21:54, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>> ???

> Indeed. Do you mean the popup menu disappears before you make any
> selection from it?

I bet she needs to drag the bottom boundary of it to open it up.

Karen

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Alyce has gone to bed. She is wiped out. Had a really good day after a
slow start. She almost conked out but then changed her mind.

I'd like to see today's photos when they're posted, as well as any
others of wordslers. What's the URL? Thanks!

--Jeff



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On 27 Apr 2003 at 21:06, Karen Kay wrote:

> What's wrong?

Who knows? Perhaps it's a problem with the site, not your browser.

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Sunday, April 27, 2003, 9:29:02 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 27 Apr 2003 at 21:06, Karen Kay wrote:

>> What's wrong?

> Who knows? Perhaps it's a problem with the site, not your browser.

Nope. I ruled that out--and, I can't get to any site from IE.

I hate it.

Karen

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> All of the plants are now in the ground and will be disseminated a) if I manage to keep them alive and b) if the deer don't eat them all and c) when we figure how one might go about that -- you coming my way?

Rita is coming to Acadiafest.  That might be a bit soon to start
chopping things from your new plantings, of course.  I will say that my
(indoor) Bayla plant is doing fine.  Plants actually.  I've separated
it.  As you may recall, the story was that a student gave it to Bayla
when she was substitute teaching many years ago.  It grew vigorously.
Bayla gave a snippet of it to LoveJudith.  LoveJudith's Bayla plant
continued to grow vigorously.  I mistakenly thought it was the Bayla
plant that I brought a snippet of home from LoveJudith's house some
number of years ago, but it turned out not to be (though the one I
brought home is thriving).  So LoveJudith brought me a snippet of the
real Bayla plant to SnowBash'02.  It stayed with me in the motel in West
Springfield, then traveled to Alyce's house, then to the motel in
Hartford, then on the plane home.  And it's doing great.  These were
indoor-plant examples, but I have confidence that outdoor things can
also manage.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Hmmmm - since mine had various useful programs like Word and WP (useful
> occasionally) and PowerPoint, etc., I did not want to delete them and
> then have to buy new versions of programs I use daily. And while
> I have a fantasy of learning and using Linux,it probably is not going to
> happen in this lifetime! Are those the kinds of things you delete? Why?

I think my fuzzy brain needs to go to bed.  I'm trying to figure out how
Linux fits into the picture.  No, I don't delete the operating system,
if that's what your Linux comment is about.  Re the other things you
mentioned, I've not acquired computers that included things like Word,
WP, PowerPoint.  The only programs I've found bundled on computers I've
bought (or had in my office) were things like Netscape or Internet
Explorer.  I've deleted them both at various times for different reasons
-- not liking IE in general, not liking the version of Netscape.  I've
replaced them with what I wanted.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Betty wrote:
>
> I didn't see anything funny about it.

Really?  You perhaps shouldn't have chased the url.  There are a bunch
of other Village Voice cartoons there, some of which I looked at, some
of which I didn't.  This one seemed funniest.  (And it was the one that
led me to the trove since somebody e-mailed it to me -- a person who is
SuperMother and thus not into <dead babies> and who has, afaik, nothing
against Laura.  How can anybody be against Laura Bush?)  Anyway, that
person found it hilarious, as did a couple of other people I sent it to.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On 27 Apr 2003 at 21:31, Karen Kay wrote:

> Nope. I ruled that out--and, I can't get to any site from IE.

You checked the work offline switch on the file menu?

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Sunday, April 27, 2003, 9:39:53 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

> On 27 Apr 2003 at 21:31, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Nope. I ruled that out--and, I can't get to any site from IE.

> You checked the work offline switch on the file menu?

Nope.

I think it has to do with how it's searching. When I put cnn.com in
the search space, it searches for www.cnn.com.com. (But when I put
cnn, it doesn't look for www.cnn.com.) Then it looks for
www.cnn.com.org, etc.

But I can't figure out how to stop this bad behavior.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Don't chase this url if you are likely to be offended by a cartoon that
> makes fun of Laura Bush (and let me add that I have nothing at all
> against Laura Bush)

        I didn't think it made fun of Laura Bush.  And, like Betty, I didn't think it
was particularly funny.  But it also seemed to me that funny was not really the
point.  It made fun, if fun is the right word, of the "we had to destroy the
village in order to save it" mentality.

--
Take care,
Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
Satire is frequently not funny in the usual sense

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Please do not worry about your etiquette. It is fine. Don't worrtu at
> all.

Thank you, Alyce, and all others who answered this -- my yesterday's worrying doesn't
have much importance actually, but it is important how much nice moments can Alyce
have in these days.

Kristin

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I've been meaning to tell you that I've been wearing my Tallinn t-shirt
> this whole weekend.  Every time I remember what I have on, I think of
> you.

Oh, great! Btw I'm about to go to a bus to Tallinn after a quarter an hour.
I quickly try to read some more messages here, and then I won't be back at
the computer before tomorrow.

What is on that shirt?

Oh, and I must buy film for my camera, the one in it was all full and
therefore I couldn't let anybody to take a shot of me with the Words-l
T-shirt.

Kristin

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> Adam and Marie left an hour ago following a memorable 70th birthday
> party for Alyce.

Great!

Kr.

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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If I had a quarter for every time somebody has asked me if
I'd seen My Big Fat Greek Wedding .... finally, Sylvia at
church (the other Greek lady -- who often keeps me in line)
gave me her copy of the video to see.  It is indeed way too
funny.  I did spot several of my relatives (Thea is a dead
ringer for my Thea Mary -- and Yai Yai is Thea Christina all
over, most especially when she is cussing out dirty Turks).
  I nearly pissed the bed when they roasted the lamb in the
front yard.

Meanwhile, spring has arrived.  Vinnie and Belle managed to
have a rabbit feast yesterday.  Belle has been staring at
the rabbit hole on the other side of the fence ever since in
hopes that this magical event repeats itself.

Ah, well, off to school.  Marsha is coming today to observe
my special ed. classes to finish up her student teaching
requirements.  We were in a few classes at UMSL together,
and it feels strange to have her in observing *my* classes,
but I think it will be fun.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Tom Lee wrote:
> > Don't chase this url if you are likely to be offended by a cartoon that
> > makes fun of Laura Bush (and let me add that I have nothing at all
> > against Laura Bush)
>
>         I didn't think it made fun of Laura Bush.

My "made fun of" isn't very good wording, I realize.  She is not the
subject of the satire but is instead the vehicle.  I do think she's
"made fun of" to some extent, however, in being that vehicle since she's
the one uttering the funny (as in satirical) statements like killing to
liberate or like the tv thing in the last section -- can't remember its
exact wording -- something about how surely there aren't many dead Iraqi
babies since we haven't seen them on tv.  (Note that this cartoon is
several weeks old, btw.  I don't think its theme would be as likely in a
cartoon now.  Iow, it's <old news>.)

>  And, like Betty, I didn't think it
> was particularly funny.

Humor is fascinating -- as in what some people find funny and others
don't.  I've always been interested in that.  "Funny" is a pretty broad
term, of course.  Satire is to me a very different kind of <funny> from
something like jokes etc.

> But it also seemed to me that funny was not really the
> point.  It made fun, if fun is the right word, of the "we had to destroy the
> village in order to save it" mentality.

Well, yes.  Its main point to me was the
kill-to-save/destroy-to-liberate discrepancy, with a secondary jab at tv
coverage and the population's belief in knowing what's going on because
of watching tv news.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> What is on that shirt?

Some buildings in the old city.  I don't know whether they have special
significance or are intended to represent the charm of the old city in
general.

I should take a picture of it and put it online and let you tell me what
the shirt is picturing.  Remind me to do that.  I'm rushing this morning
(and my camera batteries are surely dead).

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> My "made fun of" isn't very good wording, I realize.  She is not the
> subject of the satire but is instead the vehicle.  I do think she's

I just looked at the cartoon again and think that she is in fact being
made fun of, though it's far from the main point(s) of the satire.  I
think the first and the last boxes (that's not the right word --
panels?  are making fun of her, with the "let's bake" and the picture at
the sink with the soft-soap.  The first one calls her "spunky" and has
the "let's bake" comment.  My interpretation of that is that it's
intended to make her into Mrs. Beaver (or was it Cheever -- that tv show
of the past that people often refer to) -- that it's making her a
stereotypical housewife in a negative way -- which I should make clear I
do not find either fair to her or funny.  I see nothing wrong with
baking and using soft soap or any of the other things that might be
supposed to <suggest>.

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>No. No one is born knowing how to use a computer.

True. But the fact is that I have always been able to sit down in front af
any Apple/Mac and use it. I have never had to ask the kind of
questions I have had to ask here over the past two days about any
Mac. I was never <instructed> in Mac use.

Bethany

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16:38 27.04.2003 -0500 skrev Doris Markland:
>If you'd like to stop in and visit Gene and
>me as we were, not too long ago, you may

This looks great!

Ingjerd and I have now booked our tickets for Athens (Greece) in September. We will stay for almost a whole month - a few days in Athens and then take a ship to Crete.

Espen

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

>Indeed. Do you mean the popup menu disappears before you make any
>selection from it?

No - everything disappears as soon as I click QL.

Bethany

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>if that's what your Linux comment is about.  Re the other things you
>mentioned, I've not acquired computers that included things like Word,
>WP, PowerPoint.  The only programs I've found bundled on computers I've
>bought (or had in my office) were things like Netscape or Internet
>Explorer.  I've deleted them both at various times for different reasons
>-- not liking IE in general, not liking the version of Netscape.  I've
>replaced them with what I wanted.

Oh, okay - thanks. I could not imagine why you would delete those other
programs.

Bethany

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---- Original Message -----
From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> Betty wrote:
> > I'm so glad you guys did this.
>
> Me too.  It makes me very happy.  But I must say that I had I thought
> only one of the Wordslers who visited Alyce today was a guy.  I didn't
> realize Marie had had a sex-change operation.

Yes. I did.

Marie

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----- Original Message -----
From: Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM>
> The bagels are from a real Jewish bagel shop, but alas, not NYC -

The soup is a real NYC Jewish grandmother's recipe, however.

> Those sundaes sure looked good.

Oh, they tasted quite good too. Actually I think Alyce would have finished it had she not had the need to recline. They've got all the fixins still in the fridge yet.

Alyce's pain is kept under control (mostly) with morphine tablets, but an upright position becomes uncomfortable for her. The morphine sometimes impairs her thoughts a little -- only noticeable because we know how sharp Alyce normally is. My brain's always like that. But I think it's frustrating for Alyce.

> a sudden remembered that giving flame to someone on oxygen Was Not
> A Good
> Idea,

Doh!

> Marie announced that she had "raped and pillaged" Alyce's garden.

I think we decided that "reallocated" was the better concept. I will be more than happy to be the second rung on a "chain planting". So far so good, the deer haven't found anything yet.

> Meanwhile,I wandered about aimlessly enjoying the beautiful
> weather.

I worked up a little sweat out there. I think it really is Spring at last! It was a perfect kind of day. A nice day for a drive. A nice day to go see Alyce.

> Marie has gotten a sassy haircut since SnowBash.

Part of the sex change operation.

Marie

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----- Original Message -----
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> Rita is coming to Acadiafest.  That might be a bit soon to start
> chopping things from your new plantings, of course.

And how would they get there?

Marie

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> Alyce has gone to bed. She is wiped out. Had a really good day after a
> slow start. She almost conked out but then changed her mind.

I'm glad she changed her mind. :)

> I'd like to see today's photos when they're posted, as well as any
> others of wordslers. What's the URL? Thanks!

The URL is http://www.words-l.org. I don't know when Tushar will post the picture.
Betty, could you mail it out to interested parties? I'm at work and don't have it.

--Adam
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At 08:34 AM 4/28/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> > Rita is coming to Acadiafest.  That might be a bit soon to start
> > chopping things from your new plantings, of course.
>
>And how would they get there?

;-->

Anyhow, I would suggest that, even this close to the North Pole, July is
not the time to be hauling plants around in autos for long periods of time.

cwv

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Happy Birthday Alyce!

Sounds like it was a great day yesterday, I'm happy to hear it.

Thanks for the report...

lisa

At 06:22 PM 4/27/2003 -0400, alyce cresap wrote:
>Adam and Marie left an hour ago following a memorable 70th birthday
>party for Alyce. They came laden with gifts and left with some gifts of
>their own. Adam brought lox and bagels (real NYC deli) and Marie brought
>homemade chicken soup and the fixings for hot fudge sundaes. They were
>spectacular--served in old-fashioned tall sundae glasses with long
>spoons; vanilla ice cream, hot fudge, whipped cream and a cherry on top.
>Alyce's appetite isn't always massive, but she managed to consume most
>of hers. Adam got a photo to prove it.
>
>Marie managed to dig several fine specimens from Alyce's garden,
>including bee balm, irises, bluebells, and day lilies--barely managing
>to close her car trunk on top of them. They also both left with some
>selections from Alyce's eclectic LP collection.
>
>Alyce description of the pair as delightful people proved to be most
>accurate, and I feel fortunate to have had the opportunity to meet them.
>I hope the opportunity may arise to meet some other wordslers in person,
>as well.
>
>It was a perfect, sunny Sunday afternoon that I shall not soon forget.
>
>--Jeff

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Happy Birthday Alyce!

Thanks for all the reports. Everything about the day sounds wonderful
- bringing Alyce hot fudge sundaes, raiding the flower garden - I'm
so glad Adam and Marie did this.

Is there a picture of the sassy haircut somewhere?

-rashmi

At 06:22 PM 4/27/2003 -0400, alyce cresap wrote:
>Adam and Marie left an hour ago following a memorable 70th birthday
>party for Alyce. They came laden with gifts and left with some gifts of
>their own. Adam brought lox and bagels (real NYC deli) and Marie brought
>homemade chicken soup and the fixings for hot fudge sundaes. They were
>spectacular--served in old-fashioned tall sundae glasses with long
>spoons; vanilla ice cream, hot fudge, whipped cream and a cherry on top.
>Alyce's appetite isn't always massive, but she managed to consume most
>of hers. Adam got a photo to prove it.
>
>Marie managed to dig several fine specimens from Alyce's garden,
>including bee balm, irises, bluebells, and day lilies--barely managing
>to close her car trunk on top of them. They also both left with some
>selections from Alyce's eclectic LP collection.
>
>Alyce description of the pair as delightful people proved to be most
>accurate, and I feel fortunate to have had the opportunity to meet them.
>I hope the opportunity may arise to meet some other wordslers in person,
>as well.
>
>It was a perfect, sunny Sunday afternoon that I shall not soon forget.
>
>--Jeff


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At 06:25 PM 4/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>In spite of my brilliant lead, Bad Betty is creeping up on me.  I bet
>Bonniemae has taught her how to cheat.
>
>Meanwhile, I am unhappy that Wmart's orange roughy is now from China
>instead of New Zealand.  But I bought the last bag of the old NZ or, a
>few pieces of which I'm about to consume.  After this bag is empty, I'm
>not sure what to do.  I might get SARS from eating Chinese or.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

If you get SARS from Chinese fish, I will personally care for you during
your sickness.



alec

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At 12:41 PM 4/28/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > Alyce has gone to bed. She is wiped out. Had a really good day after a
> > slow start. She almost conked out but then changed her mind.
>
>I'm glad she changed her mind. :)
>
> > I'd like to see today's photos when they're posted, as well as any
> > others of wordslers. What's the URL? Thanks!
>
>The URL is http://www.words-l.org. I don't know when Tushar will post the
>picture.
>Betty, could you mail it out to interested parties? I'm at work and don't
>have it.

It's  a wonderful picture!  Just wonderful!

Betty

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>
> There is hope even for the fallen women!
>
> Betty

    Picking up fallen women has been a specialty of mine.

JMW

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>
> At 12:41 PM 4/28/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > > Alyce has gone to bed. She is wiped out. Had a really good day after a
> > > slow start. She almost conked out but then changed her mind.
> >
> >I'm glad she changed her mind. :)
> >
> > > I'd like to see today's photos when they're posted, as well as any
> > > others of wordslers. What's the URL? Thanks!
> >
> >The URL is http://www.words-l.org. I don't know when Tushar will post the
> >picture.
> >Betty, could you mail it out to interested parties? I'm at work and don't
> >have it.
>
> It's  a wonderful picture!  Just wonderful!
>
> Betty

Betty, would you mind sending it along to me, too? Thanks :)

Sandra

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At 08:00 AM 4/28/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> >
> > At 12:41 PM 4/28/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > Alyce has gone to bed. She is wiped out. Had a really good day after a
> > > > slow start. She almost conked out but then changed her mind.
> > >
> > >I'm glad she changed her mind. :)
> > >
> > > > I'd like to see today's photos when they're posted, as well as any
> > > > others of wordslers. What's the URL? Thanks!
> > >
> > >The URL is http://www.words-l.org. I don't know when Tushar will post the
> > >picture.
> > >Betty, could you mail it out to interested parties? I'm at work and don't
> > >have it.
> >
> > It's  a wonderful picture!  Just wonderful!
> >
> > Betty
>
>Betty, would you mind sending it along to me, too? Thanks :)

I'm at work, too, but I sent it to people on line last night.  Karen, did
you get it? Jeff did.

Betty

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> At 08:00 AM 4/28/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> > >
> > > At 12:41 PM 4/28/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > > Alyce has gone to bed. She is wiped out. Had a really good day after a
> > > > > slow start. She almost conked out but then changed her mind.
> > > >
> > > >I'm glad she changed her mind. :)
> > > >
> > > > > I'd like to see today's photos when they're posted, as well as any
> > > > > others of wordslers. What's the URL? Thanks!
> > > >
> > > >The URL is http://www.words-l.org. I don't know when Tushar will post the
> > > >picture.
> > > >Betty, could you mail it out to interested parties? I'm at work and don't
> > > >have it.
> > >
> > > It's  a wonderful picture!  Just wonderful!
> > >
> > > Betty
> >
> >Betty, would you mind sending it along to me, too? Thanks :)
>
> I'm at work, too, but I sent it to people on line last night.  Karen, did
> you get it? Jeff did.
>
> Betty

Karen, if you send it to me, I will put it on my page just so people can
see it - like I did with the Words-l Missionfest picture - then Tushar
can put them online when he gets time.

I know I'm anxious to see the picture so I can tease Alyce about it.
clo

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I took the liberty of posting Alyce's pic on one of my pages:

http://home.attbi.com/~lgclark/alyce.htm

Larry

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Larry Clark wrote:
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> I took the liberty of posting Alyce's pic on one of my pages:
>
> http://home.attbi.com/~lgclark/alyce.htm
>
> Larry

Thanks, Larry.

It is a terrific picture.

clo

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http://home.attbi.com/~lgclark/alyce.htm


Thanks for doing this, Larry.

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> I took the liberty of posting Alyce's pic on one of my pages:
>
> http://home.attbi.com/~lgclark/alyce.htm
>
> Larry
>

Thanks for doing that. It's a great photo :)

Sandra

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At 09:40 AM 4/28/2003 -0700, Larry Clark wrote:
>I took the liberty of posting Alyce's pic on one of my pages:
>
>http://home.attbi.com/~lgclark/alyce.htm
>
>Larry


YaY!!

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On 28 Apr 2003 at 7:43, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> No - everything disappears as soon as I click QL.

Then all is as it should be. That's a toggle: when the quick launch thing is
active, there is a check mark in the flyout menu; when it's turned off, the
check mark disappears. When it's toggled on, you can drag icons to it. If
there are no icons on it, you won't notice any difference in appearance.

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At 12:47 PM 4/28/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Larry Clark wrote:
> >
> > I took the liberty of posting Alyce's pic on one of my pages:
> >
> > http://home.attbi.com/~lgclark/alyce.htm
> >
> > Larry
>
>Thanks, Larry.
>
>It is a terrific picture.

Adam may have taken more but that is the only once I asked for last
night.  Adam, did you get a photo of Jeff? Marie's new do?

Betty

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> Adam may have taken more but that is the only once I asked for last
> night.  Adam, did you get a photo of Jeff? Marie's new do?

As far as I know this (and two others from a similar vantage, this probably being the one that came out best) was the only picture that was taken. I think Alyce looks wonderful. And the sundae is pretty photogenic too.

I am glad my do wasn't caught on film, as the heat in the garden made it all poofy. My hair has changed texture since the last cut (in 2000 and the one before in 1997 -- it's a three year cycle).

I do wish we had a picture of Jeff. Natalie would probably fall in love with him.

Marie

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On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

>Then all is as it should be. That's a toggle: when the quick launch thing is
>active, there is a check mark in the flyout menu; when it's turned off, the
>check mark disappears. When it's toggled on, you can drag icons to it. If
>there are no icons on it, you won't notice any difference in appearance.

Excellent! Thanks to you and recent back-channels from Adam, I think I
now know how to configure the desktop tonight.

Bethany

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Betty Clark:
= At 09:40 AM 4/28/2003 -0700, Larry Clark wrote:
= >I took the liberty of posting Alyce's pic on one of my pages:
= >
= >http://home.attbi.com/~lgclark/alyce.htm
= >
= >Larry
=
=
= YaY!!

So like, how many warm fuzzies are you going to give your guy on
the list about this anyway?

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steph:
= Betty Clark:
= = At 09:40 AM 4/28/2003 -0700, Larry Clark wrote:
= = >I took the liberty of posting Alyce's pic on one of my pages:
= = >
= = >http://home.attbi.com/~lgclark/alyce.htm
= = >
= = >Larry
= =
= =
= = YaY!!
=
= So like, how many warm fuzzies are you going to give your guy on
= the list about this anyway?

cuz I'm just askin, is all.

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At 09:28 PM 4/25/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>I know one thing:  if I could go back, there is no way in Heaven,
>Earth, or Hell that I would have taken Prozac.

I didn't mind taking it for a couple months. It calmed me down enough to
focus on a direction for my life. Once I'd gotten the ball rolling I gave
it up.  I also did it with the guidance of a therapist who went shortly
after the prozac.

lisa


>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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At 09:44 PM 4/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Like wouldn't you give up a cruise or two and visit your mother instead?

Yeah I find it weird but, I feel like we don't know the whole story.

lisa

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At 09:14 PM 4/28/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>Betty Clark:
>= At 09:40 AM 4/28/2003 -0700, Larry Clark wrote:
>= >I took the liberty of posting Alyce's pic on one of my pages:
>= >
>= >http://home.attbi.com/~lgclark/alyce.htm
>= >
>= >Larry
>=
>=
>= YaY!!
>
>So like, how many warm fuzzies are you going to give your guy on
>the list about this anyway?

As many as he wants.  The YaY was for Alyce though.

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Does these buildings look familiar, Kristin?

http://www.maynor.net/tallinn.jpg

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> > realize Marie had had a sex-change operation.
>
> Yes. I did.

And you're still calling yourself Marie?  Wouldn't Mario be better?

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> I do wish we had a picture of Jeff. Natalie would probably fall in love with him.
>

I don't know what Marie was drinking, but if anyone should want to see
what I look like, they can go to

http://www.monm.edu/news/releases2002/history-book.10-3-02.htm

--Jeff


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>
> I don't know what Marie was drinking, but if anyone should want to see
> what I look like, they can go to
>
> http://www.monm.edu/news/releases2002/history-book.10-3-02.htm
>
> --Jeff

Woo-woo!  But I think he's taken.

                - D. M.

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I didn't know that, but an entomologist just told me.  But if bees are
established inside a tree, you can't get them all that way.  The best
thing is to use Savin dust on them, which adheres to their bodies and
goes with them when they go way down in the hole to where the combs and
queen bee may be.

Some landscape people just came to look at my get-rid-of-the-ivy
situation, which I had decided was a bigger job than I would likely to
be able to do unaided.  (They said that it would be a gigantic and very
expensive job.  They recommended just having all the bushes and weeds
and stuff cleaned out, which they can do for just a few hundred
dollars.  They agreed that there are no doubt snakes living in the ivy.
Ugh.)  But back to the bees.  I'd noticed this spring lots of bees
swarming around a certain part of the ivy-covered tree.  The landscapers
said as soon as they walked up, "You've got a bee hive."  They said that
it would have to be gotten rid of before they could do the
weed/brush-clearing.  Oh -- they told me that Brush-B-Gon would kill the
tree, but that's getting away from the bee topic.  Ok, so I asked them
how one got rid of beehives, and one of them said that sometimes
beekeepers will come take them away.  So I asked how one finds a
beekeeper, and they weren't sure but were going to check around and
would let me know if they found out anything.  I then came in and called
the Entomology Department and talked to a nice entomologist, who asked
me for more details.  He said that beekeepers liked to get clusters of
bees but that mine sounded not like a cluster but rather like bees
established in a hole in a tree.  I concurred.  He said that beekeepers
didn't try to fool with that kind of bee family (I don't think he used
the word family) because they couldn't get them all out.  Now I'm
wondering why they wouldn't want some of them even if they couldn't get
all of them.  Anyway, he told me that soapy water would kill bees but
[see above re Savin].

Now on with mail-reading.  I had just started reading mail when the
bee/ivy/etc matter arose.
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Marie Ascher wrote:
> > Rita is coming to Acadiafest.  That might be a bit soon to start
> > chopping things from your new plantings, of course.
>
> And how would they get there?

NY is on the way.

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> If you get SARS from Chinese fish, I will personally care for you during
> your sickness.

Thank you. :-)

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Betty Clark wrote:

> I'm at work, too, but I sent it to people on line last night.  Karen, did
> you get it? Jeff did.

I have it, but I bet by now it's online or somebody has mailed it.
Hours have passed since the discussion I'm now reading.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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        Marie likes cosmopolitans.  Alyce's sons are hotties!   She
never told us *that*.

alyce cresap wrote:

>>I do wish we had a picture of Jeff. Natalie would probably fall in love with him.
>>
>>
>
> I don't know what Marie was drinking, but if anyone should want to see
> what I look like, they can go to
>
> http://www.monm.edu/news/releases2002/history-book.10-3-02.htm
>
> --Jeff
>
>
> --
> alyce cresap, books & ephemera
> po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
> 518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
> http://www.alybooks.com
> charter member: IOBA
> independent on-line booksellers association
> selling books since 1963
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Please let me know if there are any additions or corrections:

Coming for sure:

Larry and Betty Clark (The Hearthside)
The Wild Family (The Quality Inn)
Rita and Ana Chapman (Blackwoods Campground)
Rashmi  (Edenbrook Motel)
Adam  (Edenbrook Motel)
Lisa and Queen LaTina (The Hearthside)
Natalie (with friends in Winter Harbor)

Possibly coming:

Alec and Heide (if life quiets down)
Emily
Bookrat
Clo
Love Judith and Paul (if hip surgery schedule permits)
Sandra
Marie (if mother's school trip gets canceled)

    --bonniev

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> > I do wish we had a picture of Jeff. Natalie would probably fall in love with him.
> >
>
> I don't know what Marie was drinking, but if anyone should want to see
> what I look like, they can go to
>
> http://www.monm.edu/news/releases2002/history-book.10-3-02.htm

I am in love!!

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 05:03 PM 4/28/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>alyce cresap wrote:
> >
> > > I do wish we had a picture of Jeff. Natalie would probably fall in
> love with him.
> > >
> >
> > I don't know what Marie was drinking, but if anyone should want to see
> > what I look like, they can go to
> >
> > http://www.monm.edu/news/releases2002/history-book.10-3-02.htm
>
>I am in love!!

Homewrecker!

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>Surely there are more possibly-comings.  I notice lots of gaps on the
>list.  Like JMW.  And Doris and Gene.  This would be a perfect
>opportunity for the JMW-Gene leg competition.  And there are many others
>who certainly should be possibles.     -- Natalie

I suppose anything is possible.  But I'm only counting as possibles those
who at any time expressed on list or to me that they might actually
come.  If Brad or Doris or JMW are thinking of coming, I really would like
to know that.


    --bonniev

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Tony Harminc wrote:


> So would you find MBFGW any less good if you knew about the Toronto
> setting? (Or Winnipeg for that matter?) Does every film have to be
> part of the American Dream?


        No.  It's about the hyphenization experience, which isn't
that different for Canadians than Americans (although I
think Montreal has a bigger Greek population than Ontario).
  For me, the movie wasn't about the American Dream -- it
was about recognizing certain things about my background --
including weirding out all the neighbors by cooking a lamb
in the front yard.

        Besides, everything is filmed in Canada nowadays, it seems.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         Marie likes cosmopolitans.  Alyce's sons are hotties!   She
> never told us *that*.

I can't remember whether I said this in my earlier note, the one I wrote
seeing Jeff's picture.  I've been distracted -- some friends just came
to haul away an old dresser and end table for their daughter -- my
storage bldg is much happier.  Anyway, what I can't remember whether I
said was that I had googled for Jeff in search of a picture and had
found the Monmouth website but had not found the picture.  Was going to
keep searching but decided to read some more mail first and got to the
picture url, which I have of course bookmarked for future lusting.

And just think -- there are TWO of them.  They're identical twins.  But
I do remember that Alyce has said that they look different from each
other because of hair length, clothing styles, etc.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> alyce cresap wrote:
> Marie wrote:
> >>I do wish we had a picture of Jeff. Natalie would probably fall in
> >>love with him.

> > Jeff wrote:
> > I don't know what Marie was drinking,

ice cream sundaes! ;)

> >  but if anyone should want to see what I look like, they can go to
> >
> > http://www.monm.edu/news/releases2002/history-book.10-3-02.htm
> >
> > --Jeff
> >

Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>  Marie likes cosmopolitans.  Alyce's sons are hotties! She
> never told us *that*.

Jeff,
We seem to have a preference for distunguished men with moustaches
here - I concur; but Natalie will have to cast the deciding vote.

Aaron Cluka, on the other hand, should not entertain expectations
of a future in the publishing world:

'Aaron Cluka, a senior history major from Virginia, Ill., praises
the book’s portrayal of Monmouth College history in light of larger
world events and trends.
"You see the Naval cadets training here during World War II, and you
see the anti-war protests of the 1960s. Best of all, you get to see
the hairstyles, clothes and lifestyles of the ages." '

clo

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On Monday, April 28, 2003 at 5:53, Rita Chapman wrote:

> If I had a quarter for every time somebody has asked me if
> I'd seen My Big Fat Greek Wedding .... finally, Sylvia at
> church (the other Greek lady -- who often keeps me in line)
> gave me her copy of the video to see.  It is indeed way too
> funny.  I did spot several of my relatives (Thea is a dead
> ringer for my Thea Mary -- and Yai Yai is Thea Christina all
> over, most especially when she is cussing out dirty Turks).
>   I nearly pissed the bed when they roasted the lamb in the
> front yard.

I saw it not too long ago - it was certainly funny, and perhaps
typical in some ways of low budget indie films. I enjoyed it. But it
reminds me to ask a question: would you have liked it any less if it
was set in Toronto rather than Chicago? I ask because it was filmed
here, and I am mighty pissed at actor/autobiographer Nia Vardalos.
It's bad enough that Hollywood films here and disguises the city as
various parts of the USA (and then whines about it), but for a
Canadian to gratuitously set her Winnipeg story in Chicago, film it
in Toronto with any number of Toronto landmarks visible (just about
everything short of the CN Tower), happily accept Toronto, Ontario,
and federal tax funding, and then deny any connection whatever with
the city, stinks big time.

Hrumph...

So would you find MBFGW any less good if you knew about the Toronto
setting? (Or Winnipeg for that matter?) Does every film have to be
part of the American Dream?

Tony H.

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Monday, April 28, 2003, 4:48:38 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I didn't know that, but an entomologist just told me.  But if bees are
> established inside a tree, you can't get them all that way.  The best
> thing is to use Savin dust on them, which adheres to their bodies and
> goes with them when they go way down in the hole to where the combs and
> queen bee may be.

Sevin.

> Now I'm
> wondering why they wouldn't want some of them even if they couldn't get
> all of them.

Because they are nothing without their queen--like fire ants.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> I didn't know that, but an entomologist just told me.  But if bees are
> established inside a tree, you can't get them all that way.  The best
> thing is to use Savin dust on them, which adheres to their bodies and
> goes with them when they go way down in the hole to where the combs and
> queen bee may be.

Ok, dumb question maybe, but we are talking about honeybees, right? If
so, read on. If not (e.g. yellowjackets, bumblebees), go right ahead
and dust the daylights out of them.

re honeybees:
It seems like a terrific waste of a scarce and valuable resource to kill
them, if they can be saved. Please do contact a local beekeeper and see
if it's feasible to move them.

> Some landscape people just came to look at my get-rid-of-the-ivy
> situation, which I had decided was a bigger job than I would likely to
> be able to do unaided.  (They said that it would be a gigantic and very
> expensive job.  They recommended just having all the bushes and weeds
> and stuff cleaned out, which they can do for just a few hundred
> dollars.  They agreed that there are no doubt snakes living in the ivy.
> Ugh.)  But back to the bees.  I'd noticed this spring lots of bees
> swarming around a certain part of the ivy-covered tree.  The landscapers
> said as soon as they walked up, "You've got a bee hive."  They said that
> it would have to be gotten rid of before they could do the
> weed/brush-clearing.
re: any stinging insect:
Amen to that! Having walked into hives, cut trees inhabited by hives,
and carried bales of hay + hive, I fully concur - it's no fun to try
to work around them!

>I then came in and called
> the Entomology Department and talked to a nice entomologist, who asked
> me for more details.  He said that beekeepers liked to get clusters of
> bees but that mine sounded not like a cluster but rather like bees
> established in a hole in a tree.

>I concurred.  He said that beekeepers
> didn't try to fool with that kind of bee family (I don't think he used
> the word family) because they couldn't get them all out.

back to honeybees:

It's not so much the type of bee as the stage in urban development.
Bees swarm every so often following a queen, and at that moment it's
easy to get to them. The queen is essential; she's the egg layer.
Trapping bees as they leave the tree wouldn't capture her, because
she is not mobile in general.

What kind of shape is the tree in? If it has an established hive, and is
ivy covered, perhaps it is not so long for this world anyway. Maybe the
beekeeper could take the entire tree (ignore if you want to keep the
tree
of course).

country girl clo

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bonniev wrote:
>
> Please let me know if there are any additions or corrections:

Surely there are more possibly-comings.  I notice lots of gaps on the
list.  Like JMW.  And Doris and Gene.  This would be a perfect
opportunity for the JMW-Gene leg competition.  And there are many others
who certainly should be possibles.

--
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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Does these buildings look familiar, Kristin?

Hey, Kristin -- Since we've had English-language discussions before, I
thought I should point out that you should not try to emulate the above
subject-verb agreement.  I changed midstream from "does this scene" to
"these buildings."  Looks kind of funny the way it turned out.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
Date: Monday, April 28, 2003 6:03 pm
Subject: Re: pix
> alyce cresap wrote:
> > > I do wish we had a picture of Jeff. Natalie would probably
> fall in love with him.
> > >
> >
> > I don't know what Marie was drinking, but if anyone should want
> to see
> > what I look like, they can go to
> >
> > http://www.monm.edu/news/releases2002/history-book.10-3-02.htm
>
> I am in love!!

See, told you. I was stone cold sober.

I did listen to the Grateful Dead the whole way there and back, and was indiscriminately sniffing at plants in the garden, though.

Marie

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>here, and I am mighty pissed at actor/autobiographer Nia Vardalos.
>It's bad enough that Hollywood films here and disguises the city as
>various parts of the USA (and then whines about it),
>Tony H.

For what it's worth, I don't blame you for being pissed.  I haven't seen
that movie.  But I was mightily pissed at Message In a Bottle, both on
behalf of Maine and on behalf of North Carolina.  They filmed it Maine but
kept insisting, in the movie, that those scenes were coastal North
Carolina.  Not even.


    --bonniev

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Subject: Re:      Re: Acadiafest Participants
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>
> Surely there are more possibly-comings.  I notice lots of gaps on the
> list.  Like JMW.  And Doris and Gene.  This would be a perfect
> opportunity for the JMW-Gene leg competition.  And there are many
others
> who certainly should be possibles.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

No can do.  We've done our travelling for a while.
But we'll be thinking boutcha when it's time to
light the sparklers.

                           - D. M.

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I saw that book sitting on some surface at Alyce's house! I didn't notice the authors though. Of course, there are things sitting on every surface at Alyce's house, one's eyes skits from one thing to the next.

Marie

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At 05:37 PM 4/28/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>bonniev wrote:
> >
> > Please let me know if there are any additions or corrections:
>
>Surely there are more possibly-comings.  I notice lots of gaps on the
>list.  Like JMW.  And Doris and Gene.  This would be a perfect
>opportunity for the JMW-Gene leg competition.  And there are many others
>who certainly should be possibles.

We are not interested in idle speculation or "wouldn't it be nice...."  We
are interested in facts.

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Because they are nothing without their queen--like fire ants.

Next question:  how do I douse Sevin dust on a huge mass of swarming
bees?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Monday, April 28, 2003, 5:52:39 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Because they are nothing without their queen--like fire ants.

> Next question:  how do I douse Sevin dust on a huge mass of swarming
> bees?

I have no idea. I think killing bees should be illegal, and I don't
think you have explored the other options thoroughly enough.

Karen

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Rita:
>Besides, everything is filmed in Canada nowadays, it seems.

Sheeeeeit.

Come visit my neighborhood some time.

--
Richard           couldn't wait to get outside

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Betty Clark wrote:

> >I am in love!!
>
> Homewrecker!

Success isn't guaranteed, though.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tony:
>a Canadian to gratuitously set her Winnipeg story in Chicago

You have, I trust, *been* to Winnipeg?

Gratuitous, nothing.  I was glad to get back
to my great aunt's shack in Cargill, ON.

--
Richard           couldn't wait to get outside

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > Does these buildings look familiar, Kristin?
>
> Hey, Kristin -- Since we've had English-language discussions before, I
> thought I should point out that you should not try to emulate the above
> subject-verb agreement.  I changed midstream from "does this scene" to
> "these buildings."  Looks kind of funny the way it turned out.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Sheesh. I thought you were doing it on purpose.
clo

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> Rita:
> >Besides, everything is filmed in Canada nowadays, it seems.
>
> Sheeeeeit.
>
> Come visit my neighborhood some time.
>
> --
> Richard           couldn't wait to get outside

Yeah . . how about we film Midnight in the
Garden of Richard . .

                - D. M.

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Here's a dead bird for you...(Cleaning out my mailbox ...set to the tune of Eminem's Cleaning out my closet...)

----- Original Message -----
From: Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Saturday, April 19, 2003 9:53 am
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> I think more like:
> >    darting eyes
> >    movements in the corner of the mouth
> >    nostril flares
> >    blinks
> >    slight body twitches
>
>
> Ah. And let's not leave out the ever-ready reactions of eye-
> rolling and
> smirking!

Wrong! That's body language.

Marie

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> re honeybees:
> It seems like a terrific waste of a scarce and valuable resource to kill
> them, if they can be saved. Please do contact a local beekeeper and see
> if it's feasible to move them.

That is precisely why I called the Entomology Dept.  I wanted them to be
saved.  It would be dumb to kill them and then turn around and give
people gifts of honeybees via Heifer International, which I have done.
The entomologist said that moving them works only if they are
<clusters>, not if they are <enholed> in a tree.

> What kind of shape is the tree in? If it has an established hive, and is
> ivy covered, perhaps it is not so long for this world anyway. Maybe the
> beekeeper could take the entire tree (ignore if you want to keep the
> tree
> of course).

It is a very ugly tree that I would be delighted to get rid of.  I was
talking about that with the friends who came to pick up the furniture a
little while ago.  We estimated that it would cost way over $1,000 to
get that tree removed -- probably several thousand.  It's *quite* tall
(and in a setting that would make downing it extremely difficult --
there's no direction it could fall in -- as in it would demolish
something in any direction).

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> And just think -- there are TWO of them.  They're identical twins.  But
> I do remember that Alyce has said that they look different from each
> other because of hair length, clothing styles, etc.
>

Actually, we're fraternal--not identical--so any close resemblance is
purely coincidental. I personally don't see a lot of similarity,
although I admit our voices are identical.

I was shocked when he recently cut off his pony tail--the one truly
distinguishing characteristic. I was even more shocked when he called
last night and told me that for a role in a play, he has bleached and
spiked his hair and is completely cleanshaven!

If this weren't weird enough, he told me that after attending the
symphony Saturday night, he dropped by a Tahiti party at his old
fraternity house (where many of the brothers are his current students)
and went completely unrecognized. He was taken to be a visiting alumnus,
and when he replied to a question about what year he graduated, they
asked if he knew Rankin, who, of course, is my brother.

I'm eager to see a photo, and when I do I'll post it, so you all can see
the difference.

--Jeff

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bonniev wrote:

> For what it's worth, I don't blame you for being pissed.  I haven't seen
> that movie.  But I was mightily pissed at Message In a Bottle, both on
> behalf of Maine and on behalf of North Carolina.  They filmed it Maine but
> kept insisting, in the movie, that those scenes were coastal North
> Carolina.  Not even.

"Down in the Delta" was filmed in Ontario, which I found strange because
making movies in Mississippi is not all that unusual.  The only reason I
know where "Down in the Delta" was filmed was that I looked at the
credits at the end out of curiosity since I thought I had seen a slight
hint of a hill in one of the scenes, which made it clearly not the
Delta.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> >Surely there are more possibly-comings.  I notice lots of gaps on the
> >list.  Like JMW.  And Doris and Gene.  This would be a perfect
> >opportunity for the JMW-Gene leg competition.  And there are many others
> >who certainly should be possibles.
>
> We are not interested in idle speculation or "wouldn't it be nice...."  We
> are interested in facts.

Which is why I didn't say that surely there are more for-sure comings.
A for-sure list suggests fact, at least factual intentions.   A list of
possibles means, well, a list of people who might possibly come -- which
is a pretty open, non-<factual> category -- and which is why I
intentionally used "certainly" in relation to "possibles" since I
thought that <funny> to do.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> http://home.attbi.com/~lgclark/alyce.htm
>
> Thanks for doing this, Larry.

Yes, Yes, Yes.  Thanks for doing this Larry.

--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> I have no idea. I think killing bees should be illegal, and I don't
> think you have explored the other options thoroughly enough.

Explored the other options?  Like what?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> That is precisely why I called the Entomology Dept.  I wanted them to be
> saved.  It would be dumb to kill them and then turn around and give
> people gifts of honeybees via Heifer International, which I have done.
> The entomologist said that moving them works only if they are
> <clusters>, not if they are <enholed> in a tree.

I wonder how young the entemologist is. People <used> to cut the part
of the tree where the hive was out of the tree, and use it for a
temporary hive until the bees were acclimated to the new location,
then smoke them and move them over to the new hive (for ease of honey
removal).

>
> > What kind of shape is the tree in? If it has an established hive, and is
> > ivy covered, perhaps it is not so long for this world anyway. Maybe the
> > beekeeper could take the entire tree (ignore if you want to keep the
> > tree
> > of course).
>
> It is a very ugly tree that I would be delighted to get rid of.  I was
> talking about that with the friends who came to pick up the furniture a
> little while ago.  We estimated that it would cost way over $1,000 to
> get that tree removed -- probably several thousand.  It's *quite* tall
> (and in a setting that would make downing it extremely difficult --
> there's no direction it could fall in -- as in it would demolish
> something in any direction).
>

What kind of tree? If the wood has any value at all, you might find
someone who does bees <and> trees. No cost to you and a find for them.

As to spraying Sevin dust on bees, they usually gather at the homeplace
around dusk, so you will get the most coverage then - if you really
can't find any other way.
clo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > > Does these buildings look familiar, Kristin?
> >
> > Hey, Kristin -- Since we've had English-language discussions before, I
> > thought I should point out that you should not try to emulate the above
> > subject-verb agreement.  I changed midstream from "does this scene" to
> > "these buildings."  Looks kind of funny the way it turned out.
>
> Sheesh. I thought you were doing it on purpose.

Nope.  I didn't notice it until seeing it in list mail.  I typed the
sentence and gave the url and hit send without looking back.  When I saw
it, I did remember having started to say "this scene" and then changed
it to "these buildings."  Don't know why exactly I remembered that.  The
brain is a mysterious organ.

--
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----- Original Message -----
From: alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET>
> If this weren't weird enough, he told me that after attending the
> symphony Saturday night, he dropped by a Tahiti party at his old
> fraternity house (where many of the brothers are his current students)
> and went completely unrecognized.

FWIW, on Saturday I was in New Brunswick, NJ (my college town). We decided to stop on the way back north after a baby naming in Cherry Hill. It had been a rough day, up early, nasty-rainy, long drive, too many in-laws -- it was good to be in old New Brunswick after, actually, I hadn't been there for some 5 years. And we wanted to stop somewhere in NJ to watch the Devils game (playoffs 2-0, go Devs!).

So we went to this sports bar. And wouldn't you know it, I know several *guys* in there. Guys from college -- like DAG, you guys are still here!? (turns out, they were on the first leg of a bachelor party). Anyway, they clearly didn't recognize me (new haircut and all -- I'm generally mostly a long-haired person and definitely was back in the eighties). Oh, and I knew these guys pretty well -- actually had a pretty big flirtation going on with one of them and well, one of the others might have been on that trip to Margate, if you knowmsain.

I think I was feeling kind of ugly and frumpy and didn't really want them to think, "jeeze what the hell happened to her?" so I thought it was just as well. But after a while I came face to face and gazed deeply into the eyes of "John" (he actually still goes by "Star" but that's a whole nother issue) and suddenly they all realized, and really, not much happened except we caught up and it was nice. And the Devils won.

But I could have gone totally unrecognized, and that was weird.

Marie

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Actually, we're fraternal--not identical--so any close resemblance is

Weird.  Why do I have it in my head that Alyce said identical?  I
remember asking her that question way back and thinking she'd said
identical.  And I remember not all that long ago asking if her neighbors
or other people in Germantown were confused by seeing what they thought
was the same person but with different hair, etc.  And she said
probably.

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D.M.:
> Yeah . . how about we film Midnight in the
> Garden of Richard . .

Can't.  There's no room to film -- there
are too many movies being shot here.

--
Yogi B.

P.S. How could a flick with both Kevin Spacey
_and_ John Cusack suck so bad, suck so OUT LOUD,
suck so, so, to... to biblical proportions?  How?
How?

And, like, what, had Clint Eastwood never seen
a transvestite before?  What WAS up with that?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
And I remember not all that long ago asking if her neighbors
> or other people in Germantown were confused by seeing what they thought
> was the same person but with different hair, etc.  And she said
> probably.


Actually, people do confuse us all the time. The strangest experience I
ever had was when I started working at the same college he did. I
couldn't walk anywhere on campus without total strangers coming up to me
and talking about things I knew nothing about. It was strangely awkward,
because I felt like they might feel embarrassed if I told them I wasn't
Doug, so occasionally I didn't let on if the conversation wasn't
important. You wouldn't believe all the students who would stop me to
ask for extensions on assignments, etc.

If you think about it, the situation was quite unusual. How often does a
twin suddenly start working at a company where his brother has been
working for years? We're in totally different departments, but walking
the same campus every day, and very few people had any knowledge that he
had a twin.

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Monday, April 28, 2003, 6:30:35 PM, alyce cresap wrote:
> If you think about it, the situation was quite unusual. How often does a
> twin suddenly start working at a company where his brother has been
> working for years? We're in totally different departments, but walking
> the same campus every day, and very few people had any knowledge that he
> had a twin.

My brothers are fraternal twins, but no one ever confuses them; one is
about a foot taller than the other. One has stick-straight hair, and
the other has curly hair.

Karen

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alyce cresap wrote:
>

> If you think about it, the situation was quite unusual. How often does a
> twin suddenly start working at a company where his brother has been
> working for years? We're in totally different departments, but walking
> the same campus every day, and very few people had any knowledge that he
> had a twin.

My brother-in-law's two oldest daughters are fraternal (sororal?) twins,
and work across the hall from me - in the same department as their
mother, but in two separate but related offices. I can tell them apart,
but can't put names to faces well in general so only have a 50-50 chance
of saying the right name. The best I can do is to say which is the
sister with the hotter temper - and that is not a good way to begin an
elevator conversation!

But I came to this office only a year ago - before that I saw them
only on occasional family holidays. What gets me is that it was <I>
who told the people in my office who had been here 10 years and knew
both of them that they were <sisters>, as well as twins. I think
that either they hadn't caught on that there were two of them, or they
thought the resemblance was coincidence.

clo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> I wonder how young the entemologist is. People <used> to cut the part

He didn't sound especially young.  Lemme check the Entomology Dept's web
site.  I remember that his first name was Clarence, a name that didn't
sound like an entomologist's name to me, and that his last name started
with a C.  I'll check him out.
...
Just a few years younger than I am, judging by his B.S. date:
******
B.S., Entomology, 1968, Michigan State
University, East Lansing, Michigan
M.S., Entomology (Apiculture), 1973, Michigan
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Ph.D., Entomology (Apiculture), 1976,
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Also into bees apparently:
*****
In addition, I have studied the effects of insecticidal sprays on honey
bee foraging, factors that
regulate drone production in honey bee colonies, pollination of
birdsfoot trefoil and the
distribution of varroa mites within the colony. I have had over 300
refereed manuscripts,
popular articles, and Extension bulletins published, and made over 500
presentations at
professional meetings, extension workshops and to various commodity
organizations.
*****
from: http://www.msstate.edu/entomology/ENTPLP.html

> What kind of tree? If the wood has any value at all, you might find
> someone who does bees <and> trees. No cost to you and a find for them.

It's a cedar -- an extremely tall one.  Removing it would be *major*.

> As to spraying Sevin dust on bees, they usually gather at the homeplace
> around dusk, so you will get the most coverage then - if you really

They are swarming there constantly -- gigantic numbers of them.

--
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>It's *quite* tall
>(and in a setting that would make downing it extremely difficult --
>there's no direction it could fall in -- as in it would demolish
>something in any direction).  -- Natalie

It's amazing what they can do.  It's not like they just saw the whole thing
down from the bottom.  They climb the tree and take it down in hunks.  They
tie ropes to limbs and pull them where they want them to fall as they
fall.  It's fun to watch.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > > > Does these buildings look familiar, Kristin?
> > >
> > > Hey, Kristin -- Since we've had English-language discussions before, I
> > > thought I should point out that you should not try to emulate the above
> > > subject-verb agreement.  I changed midstream from "does this scene" to
> > > "these buildings."  Looks kind of funny the way it turned out.
> >
> > Sheesh. I thought you were doing it on purpose.
>
> Nope.  I didn't notice....

as my daughter would have said when small,

My teasing you.
clo

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bonniev wrote:

> It's amazing what they can do.  It's not like they just saw the whole thing
> down from the bottom.  They climb the tree and take it down in hunks.  They
> tie ropes to limbs and pull them where they want them to fall as they
> fall.  It's fun to watch.

Oh yes -- it would definitely have to be taken down in hunks.  It's way
too big for a one-slicer.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

   >I think that either they hadn't caught on that there were two of
them

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LOL!

--Jeff

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> bonniev wrote:
>
> > It's amazing what they can do.  It's not like they just saw the whole thing
> > down from the bottom.  They climb the tree and take it down in hunks.  They
> > tie ropes to limbs and pull them where they want them to fall as they
> > fall.  It's fun to watch.
>
> Oh yes -- it would definitely have to be taken down in hunks.  It's way
> too big for a one-slicer.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

All of which makes it less likely that it could come down <with> bees
intact. Bummer.

clo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > > Sheesh. I thought you were doing it on purpose.
> >
> > Nope.  I didn't notice....
>
> as my daughter would have said when small,
>
> My teasing you.

But I sometimes do things not totally unlike that on purpose -- as in
being <cute>.  That one doesn't really fit, though.  It's not likely one
I would choose.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> All of which makes it less likely that it could come down <with> bees
> intact. Bummer.

I don't think a tree-remover would be willing to venture up to start
hacking off parts of it with the bees swarming.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > All of which makes it less likely that it could come down <with> bees
> > intact. Bummer.
>
> I don't think a tree-remover would be willing to venture up to start
> hacking off parts of it with the bees swarming.
>

Exactly what I was thinking. My dad would attempt it, but then,
he's a wild man.
clo

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> But I could have gone totally unrecognized, and that was weird.
>
> Marie

I have a totally opposite program. I am constantly being approached
by total strangers who ask, "don't I know you?". I must be the most
ordinary looking person that ever existed, I think.

clo

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In a message dated 04/28/2003 5:25:38 PM Central Daylight Time,
tony@HARMINC.COM writes:

<<
So would you find MBFGW any less good if you knew about the Toronto
setting? (Or Winnipeg for that matter?) Does every film have to be
part of the American Dream?

>>

I don't know about that, but one of my favorite shows is set in
Toronto:  Forever Knight.  I would definitely get a DVD player if
FK were released on that format.

Evelyn Duncan
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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> > But I could have gone totally unrecognized, and that was weird.
> >
> > Marie
>
> I have a totally opposite program. I am constantly being approached
> by total strangers who ask, "don't I know you?". I must be the most
> ordinary looking person that ever existed, I think.
>
> clo

Oops.
opposite problem

god, I need a drink - oh, and I will get one!
it's open mic night, then next door to drink over manuscripts
with a novelist-would-be till 3 am.

what a wild and corrupt night I lead!
clo

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>I have a totally opposite program. I am constantly being approached
>by total strangers who ask, "don't I know you?". I must be the most
>ordinary looking person that ever existed, I think.
>clo

This used to happen to me also.  I figure I have a generic face.


    --bonniev

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >
> > Marie Ascher wrote:
> >
> > > But I could have gone totally unrecognized, and that was weird.
> > >
> > > Marie
> >
> > I have a totally opposite program. I am constantly being approached
> > by total strangers who ask, "don't I know you?". I must be the most
> > ordinary looking person that ever existed, I think.
> >
> > clo
>
> Oops.
> opposite problem
>
> god, I need a drink - oh, and I will get one!
> it's open mic night, then next door to drink over manuscripts
> with a novelist-would-be till 3 am.
>
> what a wild and corrupt night I lead!
> clo

make that a corrupt life - or perhaps a corrupt mind.
Or maybe it's what happens when you listen to Fairport Convention,
Tish Hinajosa, Lauren Hill, and Catie Curtis in one sitting.
clo

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> night.  Adam, did you get a photo of Jeff? Marie's new do?

No, I didn't, and I feel badly about that. I would have liked pictures of
both of them, and I'm sure I could have taken a few pictures of the three of
them.  :: sigh ::

--Adam
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> As far as I know this (and two others from a similar vantage,
> this probably being the one that came out best) was the only
> picture that was taken. I think Alyce looks wonderful. And the
> sundae is pretty photogenic too.

Yes, it was the one that came out best.

> I am glad my do wasn't caught on film, as the heat in the garden
> made it all poofy. My hair has changed texture since the last cut
> (in 2000 and the one before in 1997 -- it's a three year cycle).

Pshaw, Marie, you looked radiant as usual. Or maybe that was the glow from
gardening?

> I do wish we had a picture of Jeff. Natalie would probably fall
> in love with him.

Yes, and yes.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> And just think -- there are TWO of them.  They're identical twins.  But
> I do remember that Alyce has said that they look different from each
> other because of hair length, clothing styles, etc.


        A feast as opposed to a meal!




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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I just went outside and took some pictures of the tree to show y'all how
ugly it is, but I couldn't get the whole tree into a picture.  Here's
one of its upper part:
http://www.maynor.net/tree1.jpg
And here's one of the bee-infested area, but it doesn't show the
swarming bees.  They were there when I took it.  Don't know why you
can't see thim in the picture:
http://www.maynor.net/tree2.jpg

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> I don't know what Marie was drinking, but if anyone should want to see
> what I look like, they can go to
>
> http://www.monm.edu/news/releases2002/history-book.10-3-02.htm

That serious-looking man was nowhere in sight yesterday. The Jeff I met was
much more fun than that austere picture indicates. Maybe it was the beard?

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> I saw that book sitting on some surface at Alyce's house! I
> didn't notice the authors though. Of course, there are things
> sitting on every surface at Alyce's house, one's eyes skits from
> one thing to the next.
>
> Marie

I saw the book too, thought, "Gee, that looks rather new...wonder what it
is?" and then promptly got distracted by something else. You should have
pointed it out, Jeff.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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At 07:12 PM 4/28/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I just went outside and took some pictures of the tree to show y'all how
>ugly it is, but I couldn't get the whole tree into a picture.  Here's
>one of its upper part:
>http://www.maynor.net/tree1.jpg
>And here's one of the bee-infested area, but it doesn't show the
>swarming bees.  They were there when I took it.  Don't know why you
>can't see thim in the picture:
>http://www.maynor.net/tree2.jpg

Can you get closer, please?  I want to see the bees.

Betty

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02003-04-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tony Harminc wrote:
>
> >So would you find MBFGW any less good if you knew about the Toronto
> >setting? (Or Winnipeg for that matter?) Does every film have to be
> >part of the American Dream?
>
>
> No.  It's about the hyphenization experience, which isn't
> that different for Canadians than Americans (although I
> think Montreal has a bigger Greek population than Ontario).
> For me, the movie wasn't about the American Dream -- it
> was about recognizing certain things about my background --
> including weirding out all the neighbors by cooking a lamb
> in the front yard.

What a Karen-style answer--nothing to do with the question, the
answer to which is "yes". Who the hell knows there are even Greeks
in Toronto? If there were--which is exceedingly doubtful--they
would be one lameass subject for a film. Greeks in Chicago, that's
already VERY funny. Unless Rita Chapman is personally going to buy
zillions of tickets because hyphenization with anything is equally
funny to her, this is how it's going to be.

BTW--there are more words-l pictures COMING SOON! Sorry I have
still not found the time. They are in my "inbox" and rising fast
to the top.

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02003-04-28 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> > Alyce has gone to bed. She is wiped out. Had a really good day after a
> > slow start. She almost conked out but then changed her mind.
>
> I'm glad she changed her mind. :)
>
> > I'd like to see today's photos when they're posted, as well as any
> > others of wordslers. What's the URL? Thanks!
>
> The URL is http://www.words-l.org. I don't know when Tushar will post the
> picture. Betty, could you mail it out to interested parties? I'm at work
> and don't have it.

Apologies ... tomorrow at the very latest.

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> I have a totally opposite program. I am constantly being approached
> by total strangers who ask, "don't I know you?". I must be the most
> ordinary looking person that ever existed, I think.
>
> clo

I get that a lot, too - no lie. It freaks me out. "Don't I know you?" Uh,
no.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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02003-04-28 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 09:40 AM 4/28/2003 -0700, Larry Clark wrote:
> >I took the liberty of posting Alyce's pic on one of my pages:
> >
> >http://home.attbi.com/~lgclark/alyce.htm
> >
> >Larry
>
>
> YaY!!

Get a room.

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> Tish Hinajosa, Lauren Hill, and Catie Curtis in one sitting.
> clo

You know Catie Curtis? Impressive. How about The Nields or The Kennedys or
Gandalf Murphy and the Slambovian Circus of Dreams or Moxy Fruvous?

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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02003-04-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>        Marie likes cosmopolitans.  Alyce's sons are hotties!   She
> never told us *that*.

Actually, she told us frequently, in 1996. Nobody listens

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Happy 70th alyce, so glad to hear you had an enjoyable one.

Terry

--On Monday, April 28, 2003 9:47 AM -0700 Betty Clark
<bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:

> http://home.attbi.com/~lgclark/alyce.htm
>
>
> Thanks for doing this, Larry.

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02003-04-28 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> Pshaw, Marie, you looked radiant as usual. Or maybe that was the glow from
> gardening?

Geekity geek!

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>       Marie likes cosmopolitans.  Alyce's sons are hotties!   She
>>never told us *that*.
>>
>
> Actually, she told us frequently, in 1996. Nobody listens
>


        Tushar.  Quit fucking around and get those pictures on the
web site.  Chop chop!




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> 02003-04-28 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> > Pshaw, Marie, you looked radiant as usual. Or maybe that was
> the glow from
> > gardening?
>
> Geekity geek!

You're Just Jealous.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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02003-04-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-04-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
> >>      Marie likes cosmopolitans.  Alyce's sons are hotties!   She
> >>never told us *that*.
> >>
> >
> >Actually, she told us frequently, in 1996. Nobody listens
>
>
>       Tushar.  Quit fucking around and get those pictures on the
> web site.  Chop chop!


Excuse me! You are not so old I can't hit you upside the head ...

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-04-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>02003-04-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>>     Marie likes cosmopolitans.  Alyce's sons are hotties!   She
>>>>never told us *that*.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Actually, she told us frequently, in 1996. Nobody listens
>>>
>>
>>      Tushar.  Quit fucking around and get those pictures on the
>>web site.  Chop chop!
>>
>
>
> Excuse me! You are not so old I can't hit you upside the head ...


        And neither are you.  Now get to work.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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"again, all around" wrote:

> P.S. How could a flick with both Kevin Spacey
> _and_ John Cusack suck so bad, suck so OUT LOUD,
> suck so, so, to... to biblical proportions?  How?
> How?

    A-hem.  Some don't think so, and in fact watched it again just this
weekend.  Pretty decent soudtrack album as well.

> And, like, what, had Clint Eastwood never seen
> a transvestite before?  What WAS up with that?

    Never read the The Book, huh?  Lady Chamblis was a major character,
and he did a fairly credible job, IMO.
    And I don't remember hearing any complaints when BC was made to
stand in for the whole damn country (US) on "X-Files".  (And seriously
jumped the shark when they moved production back to LA.)  But, hey, if
Arizona can be used as the location for "Oklahoma"...

JMW

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Betty wrote:

> Can you get closer, please?  I want to see the bees.

It's dark now.  Maybe tomorrow.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>
> > Tony Harminc wrote:
> >
> > No.  It's about the hyphenization experience, which isn't
> > that different for Canadians than Americans (although I
> > think Montreal has a bigger Greek population than Ontario).

    And isn't Chicago the second most populous Greek city after Athens?

JMW

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>I get that a lot, too - no lie. It freaks me out. "Don't I know you?" Uh,
>no.       --Adam

But you said once that was because you look like your father and the whole
town knows your father.  Right?


    --bonniev

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>ugly it is, but I couldn't get the whole tree into a picture.  Here's
>one of its upper part:
>http://www.maynor.net/tree1.jpg
>  -- Natalie

What an ugly tree.  Looks like it has vines growing in it too.   I say sell
the whole property.  It's way too much work.


    --bonniev

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JMW:
>Some don't think so, and in fact watched it
>again just this weekend.

Different strokes, I guess.  Feel free to
keep using my share.

>Never read the The Book, huh?  Lady
>Chamblis was a major character,

In the book, sure.  In the movie it was there
and there and there and there seemingly just
to show the hicks how oo-TRAY s-vanna can be
how hip Eastwood is to <get> it.

--
Richard           couldn't wait to get outside

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> But you said once that was because you look like your father and the whole
> town knows your father.  Right?

No, I don't look terribly much like my father. I'll send you a picture
backchannel.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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    Ten-minute segment on NewsHour tonight on weblogs, starting on the
half-hour.

JMW

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View a few more pictures at <http://words-l.org/images/020030428/>

The page was done over a near-zero visibility connection and without
a drop of "creative juice" ... The damn things I do so Rita may flash
a microsecond of a smile at my ugly face ... she's not from Chicago
and barely Greek, and still I do it.

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bonniev wrote:

> What an ugly tree.  Looks like it has vines growing in it too.   I say sell
> the whole property.  It's way too much work.

Yes, it is an ugly tree.  I'm not sure what you mean by vines growing in
it.  There are vines growing on it -- lots and lots of ivy, a little bit
of honeysuckle, etc.  Maybe I should sell the house and move to Bay St.
Louis.  Maybe potential buyers wouldn't notice the swarming bees.  But
the ivy mess needs to be contended with, which can't be done until the
bees are gone.  So this isn't a time to be selling it.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 09:08 PM 4/28/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>View a few more pictures at <http://words-l.org/images/020030428/>
>
>The page was done over a near-zero visibility connection and without
>a drop of "creative juice" ... The damn things I do so Rita may flash
>a microsecond of a smile at my ugly face ... she's not from Chicago
>and barely Greek, and still I do it.

Who is the whore in the jumper?

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-04-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
= > Tushar Samant wrote:
= > >02003-04-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
= >
= > >>      Marie likes cosmopolitans.  Alyce's sons are hotties!   She
= > >>never told us *that*.
= > >>
= > >
= > >Actually, she told us frequently, in 1996. Nobody listens
= >
= >
= >       Tushar.  Quit fucking around and get those pictures on the
= > web site.  Chop chop!
=
=
= Excuse me! You are not so old I can't hit you upside the head ...

I just learned a new word in Dutch the other day: oorvijg (or
oorveeg), and it means "a hit upside the head".

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Betty wrote:

> Who is the whore in the jumper?

I thought it was funny for the picture to show up again just after this
topic was discussed.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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---- Original Message -----
From: bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM>
> >I have a totally opposite program. I am constantly being approached
> >by total strangers who ask, "don't I know you?". I must be the most
> >ordinary looking person that ever existed, I think.
> >clo
>
> This used to happen to me also.  I figure I have a generic face.

It does happen to me also. Actually, I wondered on Saturday if my old buddies got so accustomed to seeing people they thought looked like me, that when they actually saw me they didn't know to believe it... or something like that.

And I still get "Fergied" almost daily.

Marie

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At 09:34 PM 4/28/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Who is the whore in the jumper?
>
>I thought it was funny for the picture to show up again just after this
>topic was discussed.

Well, I disagree with you, Natalie. Both blue jumpers are just fine.  Now
if they were wearing "knock me down and fuck me pumps" that would be different.

Betty

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At 06:54 PM 4/28/2003 -0400, Bonnie wrote:

>>Surely there are more possibly-comings.  I notice lots of gaps on the
>>list.  Like JMW.  And Doris and Gene.  This would be a perfect
>>opportunity for the JMW-Gene leg competition.  And there are many others
>>who certainly should be possibles.     -- Natalie
>
>I suppose anything is possible.  But I'm only counting as possibles those
>who at any time expressed on list or to me that they might actually
>come.  If Brad or Doris or JMW are thinking of coming, I really would like
>to know that.

I probably fall into the definitely maybe category .... isn't that helpful
of me?

--Elaine

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At 11:01 PM 4/28/2003 -0400, Elaine M Brennan wrote:
>At 06:54 PM 4/28/2003 -0400, Bonnie wrote:
>
>>>Surely there are more possibly-comings.  I notice lots of gaps on the
>>>list.  Like JMW.  And Doris and Gene.  This would be a perfect
>>>opportunity for the JMW-Gene leg competition.  And there are many others
>>>who certainly should be possibles.     -- Natalie
>>
>>I suppose anything is possible.  But I'm only counting as possibles those
>>who at any time expressed on list or to me that they might actually
>>come.  If Brad or Doris or JMW are thinking of coming, I really would like
>>to know that.
>
>I probably fall into the definitely maybe category .... isn't that helpful
>of me?

YaY!  Are you going to bring your whorish blue jumper?  :-)

Betty

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At 08:10 PM 4/28/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:

>At 11:01 PM 4/28/2003 -0400, Elaine M Brennan wrote:
>>At 06:54 PM 4/28/2003 -0400, Bonnie wrote:
>>
>>>>Surely there are more possibly-comings.  I notice lots of gaps on the
>>>>list.  Like JMW.  And Doris and Gene.  This would be a perfect
>>>>opportunity for the JMW-Gene leg competition.  And there are many others
>>>>who certainly should be possibles.     -- Natalie
>>>
>>>I suppose anything is possible.  But I'm only counting as possibles those
>>>who at any time expressed on list or to me that they might actually
>>>come.  If Brad or Doris or JMW are thinking of coming, I really would like
>>>to know that.
>>
>>I probably fall into the definitely maybe category .... isn't that helpful
>>of me?
>
>YaY!  Are you going to bring your whorish blue jumper?  :-)

but of course ... perhaps I could even make it more whorish for the
occasion ...

--Elaine

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At 11:14 PM 4/28/2003 -0400, Elaine M Brennan wrote:
>At 08:10 PM 4/28/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>I probably fall into the definitely maybe category .... isn't that helpful
>>>of me?
>>
>>YaY!  Are you going to bring your whorish blue jumper?  :-)
>
>but of course ... perhaps I could even make it more whorish for the
>occasion ...

I'll have to see if I can find one.  I have the shirt though so I may not
need anything else.

Betty

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02003-04-29 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-04-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> = > Tushar Samant wrote:
> = > >02003-04-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> = >
> = > >>      Marie likes cosmopolitans.  Alyce's sons are hotties!   She
> = > >>never told us *that*.
> = > >>
> = > >
> = > >Actually, she told us frequently, in 1996. Nobody listens
> = >
> = >
> = >       Tushar.  Quit fucking around and get those pictures on the
> = > web site.  Chop chop!
> =
> = Excuse me! You are not so old I can't hit you upside the head ...
>
> I just learned a new word in Dutch the other day: oorvijg (or
> oorveeg), and it means "a hit upside the head".

Then youa re all set to translate the whole sentence into Dutch.
Please do it, I want to use it on Ms Chapman every chance I get.

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>The most recent thing I've added to my blog is on my belief that one needs
>to read/view various news sources.  (Hey, Pete -- that last one includes
>much more than just a url.  I can't remember what it said now -- wrote it
>last night -- but did smile when I thought how it was violating what I
>said about just "a list of urls.")

Just write what feels right. :)

I haven't been reading the list for the past week / 1000 mails, largely
because I went to a geek conference <http://conferences.oreilly.com/etcon/>
for 3 days.  I had a lot of fun and chatted with a bunch of old and new
friends.  Still haven't had time to decompress from that and keeping up
with work (although I am making sure to spend time hanging out with the
family).

Before the conference I split my incoming mail into two POP inboxes,
words-l and everything else, so I could tell my Treo to download mail all
day from the everything-else box while I was someplace where I should be
checking email but didn't have my computer open all the time.  SnapperMail
worked great, as did VeriChat for IM.  (I could have had it download
words-l, too, but SnapperMail doesn't have filtering yet, and the words-l
messages would overwhelm the rest of my messages in one inbox.)

BTW, Natalie, the main guy behind Blogger is a friend, of sorts, so I said
hi to him from you (anonymously) and Netscape when we were chatting between
sessions. :)

Pete

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John Williams writes,

>     Ten-minute segment on NewsHour tonight on weblogs, starting on the
>half-hour.

Saw it, thanks!  RealAudio at
<http://www.pbs.org/newshour/newshour_index.html>, FWIW.

Pete

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On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

> > Tish Hinajosa, Lauren Hill, and Catie Curtis in one sitting.
> > clo
>
> You know Catie Curtis? Impressive. How about The Nields or The Kennedys or
> Gandalf Murphy and the Slambovian Circus of Dreams or Moxy Fruvous?
>
Well, know her work. Thanks. Yes yes, no, know of, yes. But you're
actually being impressed that I have a daughter. Catie Curtis, Ember
Swift, Pat Humphries, etc. - all Mercy's doing. Jolie Rickman, I know on
my own - well, I knew her when she was on campus. Pierce Turner? Larry
Kirwan? Peter Oshtrushko (sp)? How about Holly Near? Or the Bobs?

My taste in music doesn't all run to hip hop and techno.

clo

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On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Betty wrote:
>
> > Can you get closer, please?  I want to see the bees.
>
> It's dark now.  Maybe tomorrow.
>
>

My wbn friend is an ex-beekeeper, it turns out. His suggestion is "poison
them". I was sorry to hear it.

Fascinating conversation tonight afterwards
in the next-door pub. From the types of trees growing in PA forests before
the Europeans overharvested them, to plant types of spring wildflowers,
through notions of political versus physical definitions of handicap, to
Ebonics, character development in novels, the relative merits of other
writers as critics, and the private lives of various kinds of bees and
wasps.

It was the last night for poetry readings in this particular venue. The
visionary, very ADD South Boston post-modern artist MC who talked this
very buttoned-up downtown coffee shop into letting us jam is moving into
an "art lounge" that he hopes will strengthen the ties between art and
integrating the downtown community. It's sort of like the lion and the
lamb lying down together - he gets the hip arty types from "the Hill" down
almost to the edge of the "south side" for the jazz and poetry, and talks
them into doing volunteer work, then mixes in hip hop, soul, r&b, slam
poetry, and rap from "the hood", and talks <them> into volunteering in the
same venues - and then brings in the kids he meets at the community
centers to read / sing to an audience of very enthusiastic community
members from both sides of the tracks. Hope he makes a go of it.

 clo

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1 WHY do people "swordfight" with chopsticks? To take out all those
slivers they are bristling with? I think it's annoying and borders
on the ST-P-D ...

2 How come every damn reviewer of an Indian restaurant's got to
say "bold unabashed flavors" ... is there no Indian restaurant
cooking anything good?

3 Why has nobody invented--let's say, a staple made out of pasta.
This could be the post-it of take-out places. I mean many still
do this frighteningly stupid thing called stapling.

BTW, I was also wondering if British cuisine used to be horrible
but had come a long way. Thanks

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Tushar,

 thanks very much for getting the photos up.

Who <are> all those people gazing so admiringly at the jumper?
clo

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17:48 28.04.2003 -0700 skrev John Williams:
>>
>> > Tony Harminc wrote:
>> >
>> > No.  It's about the hyphenization experience, which isn't
>> > that different for Canadians than Americans (although I
>> > think Montreal has a bigger Greek population than Ontario).
>
>    And isn't Chicago the second most populous Greek city after Athens?

And I just got a copy of a book: Elias Petropoulos, "Songs of the Greek underworld: The Rebetika Tradition" (with additional material by the translator, Ed Emry, and an exciting bibliography for Petropoulos' other works, such as "Corpses, Corpses, Corpses ...", "The Brothel", "Holy Hashish", "Kaliarda: The world's first homosexual dictionary, definitive edn 1980 with appendix on coloured paper", "Clogs", "The Cloth-Cap", "The Foustanella", "History of the Condom", "Greek Bean Soup", "Lousology: The Book of Lice" and lots more), but I digress. Here it is claimed that the rembetika music first evolved in Asia Minor and in the Greek community in the US before WW I.

Espen

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04:22 29.04.2003 +0200 skrev steph:

>I just learned a new word in Dutch the other day: oorvijg (or
>oorveeg), and it means "a hit upside the head".


Does it mean upside the head and not over the ear? The German "Ohrfeige" and the Norwegian "ørefik" are both hits over the ear or the cheek.

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I am flying in on May 17 and will leave on June 3. Actually I am flying to Atlanta and plan to take a bus or womething from there to and from Athens. I have a feeling there aren't any wordslers in near Athens, but if anyvbody is, we could meet and have a beer or something.

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John Williams wrote:

>>>Tony Harminc wrote:
>>>
>>>No.  It's about the hyphenization experience, which isn't
>>>that different for Canadians than Americans (although I
>>>think Montreal has a bigger Greek population than Ontario).
>>>
>
>     And isn't Chicago the second most populous Greek city after Athens?


        Could be.  I don't know.  We could use a few more Greeks in
St. Louis, for sure.




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Betty wrote:
> > > Who is the whore in the jumper?
> >
> >I thought it was funny for the picture to show up again just after this
> >topic was discussed.
>
> Well, I disagree with you, Natalie. Both blue jumpers are just fine.  Now
> if they were wearing "knock me down and fuck me pumps" that would be different.

Well, I think you and others have said that before.  That's fine.  I've
never argued that everybody should have the same opinions about
clothing.

I don't get the "they" part, btw.  I've never suggested that wearing
blue jumpers is in itself whorish.  There's nothing whatsoever whorish
looking in Elaine's fest attire.  I've worn blue jumpers many times and
have never considered myself a whorish dresser.
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Elaine M Brennan wrote:

> >YaY!  Are you going to bring your whorish blue jumper?  :-)
>
> but of course ... perhaps I could even make it more whorish for the
> occasion ...

I realize y'all are joking, yet I do wonder exactly what the joke is
based on -- as in whether you really think that I find blue jumpers
somehow whorish.  Iow, I detect the joking tone but don't get the joke.

As I was saying yesterday(?), humor is a strange thing.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> BTW, Natalie, the main guy behind Blogger is a friend, of sorts, so I said
> hi to him from you (anonymously) and Netscape when we were chatting between
> sessions. :)

Neat!  I may ask you to pass along comments later about the editing
oddity that suddenly developed -- when I wanted to edit the most recent
entry, something I had done with the others earlier, experimenting with
spacing etc, and suddenly there was no button for posting the edited
version.  When I decided a few hours later that in addition to adding a
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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> My wbn friend is an ex-beekeeper, it turns out. His suggestion is "poison
> them". I was sorry to hear it.

I'm still pondering the methodology required -- like how I will be able
to get Sevin onto swarming bees.  I don't want to bother the nice
entomologist again to ask him that.

> centers to read / sing to an audience of very enthusiastic community
> members from both sides of the tracks. Hope he makes a go of it.

Though not exactly parallel, this reminds me of an interesting setting
in Starkville of frequent poetry readings and slams:  a bar attached to
a rather sleazy motel on Hwy 82 (the major hwy through Starkville --
meaning travelers of all kinds might be on it), the kind of motel likely
to attract <rednecky> sorts.  It's interesting to me to think about a
bar/restaurant full of poets and rednecks hunkered up together with
poetry being read.

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Espen Ore wrote:
>
> I am flying in on May 17 and will leave on June 3. Actually I am flying to Atlanta and plan to take a bus or womething from there to and from Athens. I have a feeling there aren't any wordslers in near Athens, but if anyvbody is, we could meet and have a beer or something.

Probably Bethany is the closest, but even she isn't extremely close.
Without looking at a map, I'm thinking that Kville might not be terribly
far from Athens if you were a flying crow but that cars aren't crows --
crows can more easily fly over mountains and stuff.

Re travel between Atlanta and Athens, I feel sure there must be shuttle
busses between the Atlanta airport and Athens, though I haven't had
occasion to explore that.

Are you going to spend any time in Atlanta or just go straight to
Athens?

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06:45 29.04.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:

>Are you going to spend any time in Atlanta or just go straight to
>Athens?

That depends on the bus schedules. On arrival I guess I will try to get as soon as possible to Athens but on my way back I might have a couple of hours for Atlanta.

Espen

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>Who <are> all those people gazing so admiringly at the jumper?
>clo

A buncha whoremongers, of course.

In the bottom picture, left to right, are Elaine (I think), me, and Jim
Farrell.  (Jim has been on list sabbatical since Jigglefest, so you
probably wouldn't know him.)

In the middle picture, left to right, are me (in the background), someone I
can't identify (sitting), someone else I can't identify (sitting, and from
the back), Gene Markland (Doris's husband), JMW, and Jim Farrell.

In the top picture, JMW and I are the shadowy figures in the background.  I
can't see enough of the two sitting figures to identify them.

Ken Miller
Department of Photounreality

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>I probably fall into the definitely maybe category .... isn't that helpful
>of me?        --Elaine

Yes,  "possible" is different than "no way" in my book.   I hope you can
make it, Elaine.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Does these buildings look familiar, Kristin?
>
> http://www.maynor.net/tallinn.jpg

They must be the ones called Three Sisters. But I'd like to check it up,
and also tell you the street for sure. It's a pity I couldn't find info
about Old Town buildings in the net, so I must browse some books at
home.

Kristin

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > Does these buildings look familiar, Kristin?
>
> you should not try to emulate the above
> subject-verb agreement.  I changed midstream from "does this scene" to
> "these buildings."  Looks kind of funny the way it turned out.

Oh! Aha. I didn't notice. But I might. Thanks for the remark.

Kristin

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Betty Clark wrote:

> http://home.attbi.com/~lgclark/alyce.htm
>
> Thanks for doing this, Larry.

Admirable.

Kristin

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>BTW, I was also wondering if British cuisine used to be horrible
>but had come a long way. Thanks

No.  It's been horrible all along.  In fact, do they have a cuisine?


    --bonniev

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>I realize y'all are joking, yet I do wonder exactly what the joke is
>based on -- as in whether you really think that I find blue jumpers
>somehow whorish.  Iow, I detect the joking tone but don't get the joke.
>
>As I was saying yesterday(?), humor is a strange thing.
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

The joke, Natalie, is that apart from (possibly) your high-school
classmates, you are the only person in the USA who could possibly have
found Amy's Jigglefest jumper whorish.  Since no one else knows why you
found it whorish, it's mere jumperness seems to be the only explanation.

You are also, of course, the only person I know who could non-teasingly
describe another listmember's outfit as whorish and then insist that you
didn't mean anything pejorative by that.  But that's what makes you you.

Ken Miller
Samuel Hoffenstein School of Observation

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Doris Markland wrote:

> If you'd like to stop in and visit Gene and
> me

So sunny! Both you and Gene, and then the place.

Aloha!

Kristin

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Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 1:55:10 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 1 WHY do people "swordfight" with chopsticks? To take out all those
> slivers they are bristling with? I think it's annoying and borders
> on the ST-P-D ...

To smooth the edges--which doesn't necessarily have anything to do
with slivers. While you think it's ST-P-D, there are cultures in which
this is considered polite.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>   And JMW now has a serious contender for Sexiest Legs.

Somebody said lately they use men's legs on stockings' ads. Is it something
everybody knows? Have you heard about it?

Kristin

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Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 8:09:42 AM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Somebody said lately they use men's legs on stockings' ads. Is it something
> everybody knows? Have you heard about it?

No.

But I also don't remember the last time I've seen a stocking ad. Who
wears them?!

Bare-legged Karen

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-04-29 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > Tushar Samant:
= > = 02003-04-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
= > = > Tushar Samant wrote:
= > = > >02003-04-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
= > = >
= > = > >>      Marie likes cosmopolitans.  Alyce's sons are hotties!   She
= > = > >>never told us *that*.
= > = > >>
= > = > >
= > = > >Actually, she told us frequently, in 1996. Nobody listens
= > = >
= > = >
= > = >       Tushar.  Quit fucking around and get those pictures on the
= > = > web site.  Chop chop!
= > =
= > = Excuse me! You are not so old I can't hit you upside the head ...
= >
= > I just learned a new word in Dutch the other day: oorvijg (or
= > oorveeg), and it means "a hit upside the head".
=
= Then youa re all set to translate the whole sentence into Dutch.
= Please do it, I want to use it on Ms Chapman every chance I get.

Pardon!  Je bent niet zo oud dat ik je geen oorveeg kan geven...

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Espen Ore:
= 04:22 29.04.2003 +0200 skrev steph:
=
= >I just learned a new word in Dutch the other day: oorvijg (or
= >oorveeg), and it means "a hit upside the head".
=
=
= Does it mean upside the head and not over the ear? The German "Ohrfeige" and the Norwegian "ørefik" are both hits over the ear or the cheek.
=
= Espen

well, of course, it does have "ear" in it.  but we don't have
'amona slap you upside the ear' in english.  (i was very please
this morning that the 'amona' came rolling out of my mouth all by
itself)

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Bare-legged Karen wrote:

> Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 8:09:42 AM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > Somebody said lately they use men's legs on stockings' ads. Is it something
> > everybody knows? Have you heard about it?
>
> No.
>
> But I also don't remember the last time I've seen a stocking ad. Who
> wears them?!

Well, tights, then. We here do. When it's cold, at least.

Kristin

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Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 8:23:19 AM, steph wrote:

> Espen Ore:
> = 04:22 29.04.2003 +0200 skrev steph:
> =
= >>I just learned a new word in Dutch the other day: oorvijg (or
= >>oorveeg), and it means "a hit upside the head".
> =
> =
> = Does it mean upside the head and not over the ear? The German "Ohrfeige" and the Norwegian "ørefik" are both hits over the ear or the cheek.
> =
> = Espen

> well, of course, it does have "ear" in it.  but we don't have
> 'amona slap you upside the ear' in english.  (i was very please
> this morning that the 'amona' came rolling out of my mouth all by
> itself)

And I am very please for you.:)

Karen

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Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 8:18:05 AM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>> But I also don't remember the last time I've seen a stocking ad. Who
>> wears them?!

> Well, tights, then. We here do. When it's cold, at least.

You don't wear pants?

I guess I'm feeling mutant and disagreeable this morning. I'm glad I
don't live in a world where I feel a need to put things on my legs.

Karen

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steph wrote:
>
> Espen Ore:
> = 04:22 29.04.2003 +0200 skrev steph:
> =
> = >I just learned a new word in Dutch the other day: oorvijg (or
> = >oorveeg), and it means "a hit upside the head".
> =
> =
> = Does it mean upside the head and not over the ear? The German
> = "Ohrfeige" and the Norwegian "ørefik" are both hits over the ear or
> = the cheek.
> =
> = Espen
>
> well, of course, it does have "ear" in it.  but we don't have
> 'amona slap you upside the ear' in english.  (i was very please
> this morning that the 'amona' came rolling out of my mouth all by
> itself)

Yeah, we lost "box your ears" somewhere along the way.

Last night my very erudite biologist/beekeeper friend said both
"dinit" for didn't, and "I'd'no" for I don't know. But my family
has him beat with "Iuhwo".

clo

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=
= > well, of course, it does have "ear" in it.  but we don't have
= > 'amona slap you upside the ear' in english.  (i was very please
= > this morning that the 'amona' came rolling out of my mouth all by
= > itself)
=
= And I am very please for you.:)
=
= Karen

Not important, but why?  Or is that a "I'm happy if steph's
happy?"  I get a lot of that, cuz when I'm not happy, no one is!

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=
= Yeah, we lost "box your ears" somewhere along the way.
=

Thank you.  I have been looking for that all day!

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Bookrat wrote:

> A buncha whoremongers, of course.
>
etc.

Thanks for the introductions.

I lust after the blue jumper; it looks cool and comfy.
clo

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steph wrote:
>
> =
> = > well, of course, it does have "ear" in it.  but we don't have
> = > 'amona slap you upside the ear' in english.  (i was very please
> = > this morning that the 'amona' came rolling out of my mouth all by
> = > itself)
> =
> = And I am very please for you.:)
> =
> = Karen
>
> Not important, but why?  Or is that a "I'm happy if steph's
> happy?"  I get a lot of that, cuz when I'm not happy, no one is!

Why - to highlight the missing "d" - reference earlier conversation
re: dialect shifts in past tense markers

clo

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Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 8:34:39 AM, steph wrote:
> = And I am very please for you.:)
> =
> = Karen

> Not important, but why?  Or is that a "I'm happy if steph's
> happy?"  I get a lot of that, cuz when I'm not happy, no one is!

As Carolyn noted, to tease you. I remember what it's like; I went
through a period of r and l confusion.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 8:18:05 AM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> >> But I also don't remember the last time I've seen a stocking ad. Who
> >> wears them?!
>
> > Well, tights, then. We here do. When it's cold, at least.
>
> You don't wear pants?

Once you discussed pants and other kind of "coverings for legs" here I got
all lost. In an english version of a German magazine for sewing that I buy
sometimes there are often trousers/pants for women. I've never understood
why they use both words with this "/" for them. Anyway, these are what I
wear often. But when I want to have skirt on then the thin things the name
of which must be tights and what are worn instead of when earlier stocking
were worn are inevitable in winter.

> I guess I'm feeling mutant and disagreeable this morning. I'm glad I
> don't live in a world where I feel a need to put things on my legs.

I wish I could live in a world shaving legs were not a norm.

Kristin

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Subject: Re: Trip to Paradise
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----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> > Somebody said lately they use men's legs on stockings' ads. Is
> it something
> > everybody knows? Have you heard about it?
>
> No.
>
> But I also don't remember the last time I've seen a stocking ad. Who
> wears them?!

I don't know, but my husband prints them. They certainly don't look like men's legs to me. As a matter of fact, most I've seen (primarily Hanes) focus on the round of the butt as much of the leg.

Marie

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----- Original Message -----
From: Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO>
> >I just learned a new word in Dutch the other day: oorvijg (or
> >oorveeg), and it means "a hit upside the head".
>
> Does it mean upside the head and not over the ear? The German
> "Ohrfeige" and the Norwegian "ørefik" are both hits over the ear
> or the cheek.

Probably the perfect word for what happened to Scott Stevens last night. His ear was severed by a slapshot. Ouch!

Marie

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If you think there is a pretty good chance that you might indeed be able to
attend, I very much advise that you make a reservation some place now.  The
Inns usually have a two week cancellation policy.  The motels sometimes
have a 48 hour policy.   If you wait until the last minute or if, god
forbid, you arrive in town without a reservation, it is very likely that
you will not find a room of any kind to stay in within a 40 mile radius.

    --bonniev

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Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 8:54:23 AM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> I wish I could live in a world shaving legs were not a norm.

One of the advantages of getting older is that I have less hair on my
legs.

Karen

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At 09:20 PM 4/26/2003 +0200, you wrote:

>You are a geek.  Perhaps skill wasn't the best word.  You will
>never know what it takes non-geeks to get this stuff to work.  I will
>admit I haven't created a blog so I have no idea what it actually
>takes to use the software.  But it seems like a lot of people
>like using this sort of environment.

I've found that even if I do know how to do something by hand, I prefer
using editors.

There was a time, with HTML, when the editors were so clumsy it was easier
to do things by hand. The editors have improved to the point where I
sometimes find myself using them for the smallest changes.

Having spent 10 minutes on Blogger.com and making one entry.. I would
definitely use their front end. I don't like when my 'fun' activities
require me to do a lot of what I do for work.

lisa

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Bookrat wrote:

> In the top picture, JMW and I are the shadowy figures in the background.  I
> can't see enough of the two sitting figures to identify them.

    And my mouth open in all of them.  Jeez, don't I ever shut up?

JMW, in the market for a blue jumper

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Espen Ore wrote:
>> I am flying in on May 17 and will leave on June 3. Actually I am
flying to Atlanta and plan to take a bus or womething from there to and
from Athens. I have a feeling there aren't any wordslers in near Athens,
but if anyvbody is, we could meet and have a beer or something.
>Probably Bethany is the closest, but even she isn't extremely close.

Right. And she is traveling all weekends (Thurs - Sunday in each case)
between May 22-June 8.

>Re travel between Atlanta and Athens, I feel sure there must be shuttle
>busses between the Atlanta airport and Athens, though I haven't had
>occasion to explore that.

There are shuttles - and you need to book ahead. Try:

http://www.gactr.uga.edu/alp/essentials/travel_to_athens.phtml

Bethany

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10:42 29.04.2003 -0400 skrev Bethany K. Dumas:

>There are shuttles - and you need to book ahead. Try:
>
>http://www.gactr.uga.edu/alp/essentials/travel_to_athens.phtml

Thank you very much - this is useful indeed.

Espen

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, steph wrote:
>
> > well, of course, it does have "ear" in it.  but we don't have
> > 'amona slap you upside the ear' in english.  (i was very please
> > this morning that the 'amona' came rolling out of my mouth all by
> > itself)
>
> Is "imo" black and "amana" white?  Discuss.
>
> Ann

Around here, amana is Italian.
clo

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At 06:34 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>lisa, on her SQL-coding skills:
> > made Codd turn in his grave.
>
>No, that'd be some of the Access abominations
>I have to clean up at work.

That was my first exposure to SQL. I "played" with it for a month before I
found it impossible to write the queries I needed. My company sent me to
Sybase for a two day SQL boot camp.

In the course of two days learned two things.. 1) they have good donuts
over at Sybase and 2) Someone once pronounced, "SQL" as "squeal".

lisa

>--
>Richard                      y'call *that* OT?

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Bookrat wrote:

> found Amy's Jigglefest jumper whorish.  Since no one else knows why you
> found it whorish, it's mere jumperness seems to be the only explanation.

It's the cl**v*g*, stupid.
>
> You are also, of course, the only person I know who could non-teasingly
> describe another listmember's outfit as whorish and then insist that you
> didn't mean anything pejorative by that.  But that's what makes you you.
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ha ha ha ha ha good line.

Ann

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Espen Ore wrote:

>>http://www.gactr.uga.edu/alp/essentials/travel_to_athens.phtml
>
>Thank you very much - this is useful indeed.

You are very welcome - I am sorry I will not be in or near Atlanta/Athens
when you are there.

Bethany

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, steph wrote:

> well, of course, it does have "ear" in it.  but we don't have
> 'amona slap you upside the ear' in english.  (i was very please
> this morning that the 'amona' came rolling out of my mouth all by
> itself)

Is "imo" black and "amana" white?  Discuss.

Ann

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Did you southerners feel it?

        - D. M.

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> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >   And JMW now has a serious contender for Sexiest Legs.
>
> Somebody said lately they use men's legs on stockings' ads. Is it
> something
> everybody knows? Have you heard about it?
>
> Kristin

I find that hard to believe. In fact, a former co-worker once bragged to me
how her 12 yr old daughter's legs were being used to promote a gym-like ski
machine contraption. The ad was designed to market these machines to gymrat
adult men and women. A 12 yr old girl's legs...for gods sake. good grief.

Sandra

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>
> Mickey Mouse and Stuart Little (because mice, along with rats,
> roaches, snakes and lice, are considered to be upsetting to
children)."
>
> et cetera et cetera and so forth.

When you were little, were any of you ever upset
by the three blind mice . . . or by the farmer's wife
cutting off their tails?  I don't remember we ever
did anything but laugh.

                       - D. M.

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=
= In the course of two days learned two things.. 1) they have good donuts
= over at Sybase and 2) Someone once pronounced, "SQL" as "squeal".
=
= lisa

I'm kind of stuck on "sequel"

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >
> > Mickey Mouse and Stuart Little (because mice, along with rats,
> > roaches, snakes and lice, are considered to be upsetting to
> children)."
> >
> > et cetera et cetera and so forth.
>
> When you were little, were any of you ever upset
> by the three blind mice . . . or by the farmer's wife
> cutting off their tails?  I don't remember we ever
> did anything but laugh.
>
>                        - D. M.

Can you say, "Bowdlerism"? Sure, I knew you could.
clo

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Ann Borkin:
= On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, steph wrote:
=
= > well, of course, it does have "ear" in it.  but we don't have
= > 'amona slap you upside the ear' in english.  (i was very please
= > this morning that the 'amona' came rolling out of my mouth all by
= > itself)
=
= Is "imo" black and "amana" white?  Discuss.
=
= Ann

Now, finally, with this reading I've seen the missing d.

Anyway, what I left out was the "silly" voice I said this with.
They're both black in my opinion.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/29/books/29KAKU.html?th=&pagewanted=print&position=

A disturbing book review.

Karen

"Young Minds Force-Fed With Indigestible Texts
By MICHIKO KAKUTANI

THE LANGUAGE POLICE How Pressure Groups Restrict What Students Learn
By Diane Ravitch
255 pages. Alfred A. Knopf. $24.

As the commissars of political correctness on the left and the
fundamentalist sentries of morality on the right have clamped down on
the education system, more and more subjects, words and ideas have
become taboo. According to Diane Ravitch's fiercely argued new book,
"The Language Police," the following are just some of the things
students aren't supposed to find in their textbooks or tests:

Mickey Mouse and Stuart Little (because mice, along with rats,
roaches, snakes and lice, are considered to be upsetting to children)."

et cetera et cetera and so forth.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> > http://www.maynor.net/tallinn.jpg
>
> They must be the ones called Three Sisters. But I'd like to check it up,

Yes!  I just googled for '"three sisters" tallinn' and found this:
http://veeb.tallinn.ee/album/album.htm

The one described as the main entrance to The Three Sisters is here:
http://veeb.tallinn.ee/album/nr/19.htm

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

>  But when I want to have skirt on then the thin things the name
> of which must be tights and what are worn instead of when earlier stocking
> were worn are inevitable in winter.

They are inevitable in winter here (in Mississippi) also, but we call
them hose.  Some people consider them essential in summer also.  Not
me.  I wear them in winter (when I'm not wearing pants) because of
shoes.  In summer I always wear sandals, which don't require hose.

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> Is "imo" black and "amana" white?  Discuss.

In general.  What about it shall we discuss?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Yes!  I just googled for '"three sisters" tallinn' and found this:
> http://veeb.tallinn.ee/album/album.htm

I only googled for it in Estonian before I sent my message, and found nothing
:(

(At the moment I finish my today's work in the literary museum where earlier I
couldn't send msgs to Words-l. I lately discovered it had become possible, yet
although I read post here now and then I try to avoid the distraction from
work by sending much messages from here. I feel cosier at the editorial office
anyway. Besides, there I have all the messages I'd like to deal with, here
only those I get at the time of being here.)

So, you were quicker to find them than I for I haven't been home meanwhile to
look in some book on Tallinn archtecture or history.

Kristin

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Doris Markland wrote:

> When you were little, were any of you ever upset
> by the three blind mice . . . or by the farmer's wife
> cutting off their tails?  I don't remember we ever
> did anything but laugh.

I've read some good articles through the years about how things like
that are psychologically good for children, not bad for them.  Can't
remember the arguments made.  I think maybe one was helping children
recognize fantasy/fiction, as in keeping it separate from <real life>.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>

> Didn't Joe Namath advertise hose?  That's about all I know of hose ads
> and genders of the legs involved (and I'm not positive it's hose he was
> advertising -- it was something like that).

Yep, and that's a great trivia question: What brand of pantyhose was it?

A: Beautymist

Joe Willy's actual line was, "Now I don't wear panty hose, but if
Beautymist can make MY legs looks good, imagine what they'll do for
yours."

--Jeff
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Bookrat wrote:

> The joke, Natalie, is that apart from (possibly) your high-school
> classmates, you are the only person in the USA who could possibly have
> found Amy's Jigglefest jumper whorish.  Since no one else knows why you
> found it whorish, it's mere jumperness seems to be the only explanation.

Jumperness had nothing at all to do with it, as I've said repeatedly.
If it had, I would have thought Elaine looked whorish, which I did not,
and I would have thought on many occasions that I have looked whorish,
which I haven't (haven't on many occasions, that is, not that I have
never thought it -- but when I've thought it, it did not involve blue
jumpers, of which I've had several in my adult life).

Note to Kristin:  You may already know this difference, but "jumper"
doesn't mean the same thing in U.S. English as it does in British
English.  Jumper in the US is a kind of dress that you wear a blouse
under; jumper in the UK is a pullover sweater.

> You are also, of course, the only person I know who could non-teasingly
> describe another listmember's outfit as whorish and then insist that you
> didn't mean anything pejorative by that.  But that's what makes you you.

I'm not sure about the non-teasingly part, but I am sure that I never
insisted that I didn't mean anything pejorative by it.

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D.M.:

> Did you southerners feel it?

It was waaaaaaay up north.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Somebody said lately they use men's legs on stockings' ads. Is it something
> everybody knows? Have you heard about it?

Didn't Joe Namath advertise hose?  That's about all I know of hose ads
and genders of the legs involved (and I'm not positive it's hose he was
advertising -- it was something like that).

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At 04:45 PM 4/26/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>Hey, if that is what you wanted-go for it.  Sometimes a hot dog is very
>satisfying.
>
>Betty

Actually two hot dogs, Fenway Franks specifically, and two beers is the way
to go.

lisa
who's off to another game tonight

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> > But I also don't remember the last time I've seen a stocking ad. Who
> > wears them?!
>
> I don't know, but my husband prints them. They certainly don't look like men's legs

I'm having a wonderful image of *uc* hanging over a computer printer in
the night printing out pictures of hosed legs to lust over.

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steph:
> I'm kind of stuck on "sequel"

I recently learned that that's what IBM
originally called it (well, capitalized,
so yell when you say it).

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> Did you southerners feel it?

Not me.  I've forgotten now what time it was said to be.  I might have
been asleep.  I have felt an earthquake in Starkville before, as I think
I've mentioned here, but it was from the New Madrid fault, not from this
other one that's up closer to Bethany.  I haven't seen a map of how far
into Mississippi this one was said to have been feelable.  I read
"Northeast Mississippi," which I am in by some definitions of it, but
"East Central" also works for Starkville.  We're kind of on the dividing
line if one divided the state into north, central, and south --
borderline between north and central.

I think Ft. Payne, AL, was the epicenter, right?  If so, Bethany was
closer to it than I was.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > They must be the ones called Three Sisters. But I'd like to check it up,
>
> Yes!  I just googled for '"three sisters" tallinn' and found this:
> http://veeb.tallinn.ee/album/album.htm

Huh! It *is* in Estonian, too! I googled for their name in the nominative
case! But the stem of "sisters" changes when declined.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Huh! It *is* in Estonian, too! I googled for their name in the nominative
> case! But the stem of "sisters" changes when declined.

Let's hear it for inflectional simplicity!  I bet when all those Old
English inflections started slipping away, it was because language
planners were looking to the future and thinking about googling.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> case! But the stem of "sisters" changes when declined.

Oops.  Just noticed that you said stem.  But English solved most of
those problems also by just tossing out declensions in general.

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Or at least I don't remember waking up shortly before 4 a.m. today.

|It struck just before 5 a.m. EDT.
from: http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/04/29/southern.tremor/index.html
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At 06:48 PM 4/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>>>        Sounds like a Stupid List.
>>
>>
>>And boring.  I got chastised for my language and not changing the subject
>>header.  I was really bad.
>
>
>        You'll go straight to hell for that sort of business, BB.

I once had a subject line changed on me in a forum. I couldn't even find my
own post.

I asked the moderator why she did it. She told me she was just tidying
thing up a bit and making it easier for people to follow along.  I told her
she was an obsessive, compulsive fuck. She warned she would ban me if I
used that language again. I didn't return.

lisa

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sandra wrote:

> I thought it was for Legg's pantyhose.

Leggs was what I wanted to say, but then I started thinking that it was
probably pre-Leggs.  Or was it?

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> alyce cresap wrote:
>
> > Yep, and that's a great trivia question: What brand of pantyhose was it?
> >
> > A: Beautymist
>
> I have zero memory of that brand.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


I thought it was for Legg's pantyhose.

Sandra

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Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 1:55:45 PM, again, all around wrote:
> steph:
>> I'm kind of stuck on "sequel"

> I recently learned that that's what IBM
> originally called it (well, capitalized,
> so yell when you say it).

I thought this was an Oracle thing...

Karen

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Total overstatement.

Karen Kay wrote:

> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/29/books/29KAKU.html?th=&pagewanted=print&position=
>
> A disturbing book review.
>
> Karen
>
> "Young Minds Force-Fed With Indigestible Texts
> By MICHIKO KAKUTANI
>
> THE LANGUAGE POLICE How Pressure Groups Restrict What Students Learn
> By Diane Ravitch
> 255 pages. Alfred A. Knopf. $24.
>
> As the commissars of political correctness on the left and the
> fundamentalist sentries of morality on the right have clamped down on
> the education system, more and more subjects, words and ideas have
> become taboo. According to Diane Ravitch's fiercely argued new book,
> "The Language Police," the following are just some of the things
> students aren't supposed to find in their textbooks or tests:
>
> Mickey Mouse and Stuart Little (because mice, along with rats,
> roaches, snakes and lice, are considered to be upsetting to children)."
>
> et cetera et cetera and so forth.
>
>


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>From what I can tell of this map, this morning's earthquake here in
Starkville was "weak" in intensity and was "light" for Bethany, with
"light" being a degree heavier than "weak."

http://pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/shake/cus/STORE/Xteak/ciim_display.html

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Yep, and that's a great trivia question: What brand of pantyhose was it?
>
> A: Beautymist

I have zero memory of that brand.

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Have I mentioned lately how much I like living here?

I just realized that not one but *two* of the candidates for mayor are
transvestites. (Actually, it's probably more accurate to say that one
is a cross-dresser and the other is a transvestite.) Two others own
restaurants (Japanese and a deli). Which are weirder, as candidates? I
dunno.

The election is May 3, the same day our Farmer's Market *finally*
opens.

Karen

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>Leggs was what I wanted to say, but then I started thinking that it was
>probably pre-Leggs.  Or was it?

Joe Namath wore Beautymist hose in the 1974 commercial.

L'eggs were introduced in 1969.

Pete

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Karen:
>>so yell when you say it).
>I thought this was an Oracle thing...

What I meant was that there was, at some
point, an IBM thing called SEQUEL which,
in some tangential way, became SQL.

And it evolved, presumably, in a less
convoluted way than the above sentence's
structure.

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