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At 01:50 PM 12/26/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> > > >It's a law firm, BETTY! Excuse me!
> > >
> > > She is doing words-l mail at work???
> >
> > OBJECTION!
>
>I SECOND THAT OBJECTION!

Over ruled.

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On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 01:50:25PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > > >It's a law firm, BETTY! Excuse me!
> > >
> > > She is doing words-l mail at work???
> >
> > OBJECTION!
>
> I SECOND THAT OBJECTION!

"Emotion", it's "emotion" ...

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On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 03:44:58PM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > You see ... it's all completely OK.
>
> Yes, but the next town over (where I get groceries) did lose power and
> it is not back on yet.

As you can see ... it only happens to the next town over.

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Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

> On 26 Dec 2002 at 13:14, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        I think it requires a self-directed web quest.  Visit the
>>site and posit a hypothesis.
>>
>
> I'm a victim of my careless reading. Yes, I see the problem.


        :).




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Do I need to call the social security office to inform them of Mama's
death and thus the stoppage of her ss check?  Somehow I have it in my
head that gov't entities just <know> these things -- like maybe from the
creation of the death certificate or something.  But I'm not really
sure.  I've called a zillion other relevant entities, from AARP to I
can't remember who all, but I didn't think about the ss people until
right now.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>Do I need to call the social security office to inform them of Mama's
>death and thus the stoppage of her ss check?   -- Natalie

Yes, I think you need to call.  Even then they will probably send another
check and then want it back.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

> Yes, I think you need to call.  Even then they will probably send another
> check and then want it back.

Thanks to a back-channel communication, I know now that not only do I
need to call them but that she has to return the whole December
payment.  Iow, you should plan on dying at the beginning of a month, not
at the end.  No pro-rating is involved.  If you die at 12:01 a.m. on
Jan. 1, you get the full December check; if you die at 12:00 on Dec. 31,
you have to return the whole December check.

One thing I've been thinking about since getting the url with the info
from the <back-channeler> is how many people really know what they're
supposed to do.  Not everybody has Words-L to ask.  And not everybody
has a computer with a net connection and could google for the info.  I
bet that my not calling until tomorrow is not going to be a
record-breaking for late calling.  (I may try tonight on the chance that
the ss people are 24-hr people.  Trying to call tomorrow will be a
hassle since I need to leave for Jackson early and will have an
enormously full day and night.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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From: Neal Traven <beisbol@ALUMNI.PITT.EDU>
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On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 07:36:48 -0600, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:


>Why?  I don't remember that we've ever discussed knife-sharpening
>before.  Why would you have any idea at all about my relationship with
>knives?
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


Knives and their sharpness have been discussed previously:

Michael Macmillan, July 9, 1995:

>I'm told I am also supposed to praise the Traven household for having
>wonderfully sharp knives. Neal--or someone there--knows how to
>keep them that way.
All I do is slide them across the steel a few times, perhaps once a month if
that.  Come to think of it, since I'm a lazy-ass lamer who doesn't do much
cooking any more, it's probably much less often than that.

My father used to sharpen his knives before every use.  He was the best
carver-of-meat I have ever seen, so there was undoubtedly a method to his
madness about sharpening.
neal, back into the mists

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At 07:35 PM 12/26/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 07:36:48 -0600, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
>
>
>>Why?  I don't remember that we've ever discussed knife-sharpening
>>before.  Why would you have any idea at all about my relationship with
>>knives?
>>
>>--
>> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>
>Knives and their sharpness have been discussed previously:
>
>Michael Macmillan, July 9, 1995:
>
>>I'm told I am also supposed to praise the Traven household for having
>>wonderfully sharp knives. Neal--or someone there--knows how to
>>keep them that way.
>All I do is slide them across the steel a few times, perhaps once a month if
>that.  Come to think of it, since I'm a lazy-ass lamer who doesn't do much
>cooking any more, it's probably much less often than that.
>
>My father used to sharpen his knives before every use.  He was the best
>carver-of-meat I have ever seen, so there was undoubtedly a method to his
>madness about sharpening.
>neal, back into the mists

Neal, do you want to go to Santa Rosa with us next month and see Myles?
Betty

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At 07:25 PM 12/20/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>On 20 Dec 00 at 14:47, Myles Callum wrote:
>
>> On 20 Dec 00 at 11:39, Janet Hardy wrote:
>>
>> > One of my favorite appetizers from that part of the world is a Thai
>> > one -- don't know the name. You're given lettuce or spinach leaves,
>> > plus a plate containing chopped peanuts, dried shrimp, finely chopped
>> > lime, coconut, a sweet sauce, and some other stuff. You build a
>> > little pile in the middle of the leaf, then eat it. Goooood.
>>
>> Durn you, Hardy, that's one of my favorites too, and I don't remember
>> the name.  This will drive me nutso.  At least until I drive downtown
>> to California Thai on 7th Street and have some.  Bye!
>
>They call it Miang Kom:  "Spinach leaf cups are
>accompanied by a selection of roasted coconuts,
>lime, red onions, peanuts, dried shrimp, chili, and
>ginger--you combine the ingredients and top with a
>palm sugar sauce."
>
>Exactly what Janet was talking about, I'm sure.  Yet "miang kom"
>gets no hits on AltaVista when searched as a phrase, and none
>of the several pages of Thai appetizers I looked at offered
>anything that sounds like miang kom.  Odd.  But it was
>dee-lish, especially when accompanied by a cold Singha
>beer and followed by a Thai version of scampi and pasta.
>
>So, Janet, Betty and Larry, Boo, or anyone else, if you're in the
>neighborhood, we should convene at California Thai.  It's a
>nice spot with a sense of humor, or at least of entertainment.
>The white tablecloths are covered with sheets of white paper,
>and each table is supplied with a small bowl of colored
>pencils.
>
>Myles

This is where we are going to go in Santa Rosa.

Betty

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Natalie saiod:
>One thing I've been thinking about since getting the url with the info
>from the <back-channeler> is how many people really know what they're
>supposed to do.  Not everybody has Words-L to ask.  And not everybody

One of the <nice> things my mother has done is make a list of all the stuff
that has to be done, whom to call, account nos., etc. She has buried a
daughter and two husbands and has drawn on that experience.

Bethany

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From: Neal Traven <beisbol@ALUMNI.PITT.EDU>
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On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:35:49 -0800, B Clark <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
wrote:

>Neal, do you want to go to Santa Rosa with us next month and see Myles?
>Betty

When next month?  I have a meeting in Burlingame on January 17-18, and am
scheduled to depart from SFO at 1:30pm on Sunday the 19th.  There's a small
possibility that the meeting would extend into Sunday morning.  One of the
other meeting attendees will have driven in from Calistoga (he won't go
back and forth each day).

neal

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>I have a meeting in Burlingame on January 17-18, and am
>scheduled to depart from SFO at 1:30pm on Sunday the 19th.  There's a small
>possibility that the meeting would extend into Sunday morning.  One of the
>other meeting attendees will have driven in from Calistoga (he won't go
>back and forth each day).      --neal

TMI


    --bonniev

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> Hail!
>
> Espen

Arise!

Thanks, Espen.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:57:37 -0500, bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> wrote:

>>I have a meeting in Burlingame on January 17-18, and am
>>scheduled to depart from SFO at 1:30pm on Sunday the 19th.  There's a
small
>>possibility that the meeting would extend into Sunday morning.  One of the
>>other meeting attendees will have driven in from Calistoga (he won't go
>>back and forth each day).      --neal
>
>TMI
>
>
>    --bonniev

What does Three Mile Island have to do with anything?

neal, wondering whether he's missed a new list-acronym

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Subject: RE: Lisa?   Alyce?   Marie?
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:17:25 -0500
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> Could all the northeasterners please check in?

I'm here just fine. We got about 8 inches of snow with some sleet and
freezing rain at the beginning. Nothing like a nice layer of ice topped by
fluffy snow.

My parking lot is an icy, compacted snow nightmare, and the sidewalks aren't
much fun, either. Time to break in the YakTraks, I think. I hear the roads
are fine.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> record-breaking for late calling.  (I may try tonight on the chance that
> the ss people are 24-hr people.  Trying to call tomorrow will be a

I did try, but I was so maxed out with telephone menus (you wouldn't
believe how many of them I've waded through today) that I gave up after
about the second level of the menu.  I don't think it was going anywhere
-- as in I think no real person was likely to answer at any point.
Another reason I hung up was that one of the menu items was for getting
a phone number for your local ss office.  A light-bulb went on in my
head then, illuminating the thought that I should wait and call the
local office.  They were very helpful to me earlier.  I'd rather deal
with them than with some national menu.  If it has to be next week,
which it almost certainly will have to be, that's ok.  As conscientious
as I am about rule-following and promptness -- and I am big-time on both
of those, I will say that in a case like this that my waiting until
Monday really can't be so bad.  Think about the unexpected deaths and
the arrangements etc.  How many people think to call an ss office even
if they know they're supposed to?  And how many more don't ever think
about it at all?
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie,

I am so sorry for your loss.

alec



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> Natalie, I'm so sorry.
>

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> >>I have a meeting in Burlingame on January 17-18, and am
> >>scheduled to depart from SFO at 1:30pm on Sunday the 19th.  There's a
>small
> >>possibility that the meeting would extend into Sunday morning.  One of the
> >>other meeting attendees will have driven in from Calistoga (he won't go
> >>back and forth each day).      --neal
> >
> >TMI
> >    --bonniev
>
>What does Three Mile Island have to do with anything?
>
>neal, wondering whether he's missed a new list-acronym

TMI = Too Much Information


    --bonniev

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Hi, Neal.  What prompted your sudden reappearance?
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> One of the <nice> things my mother has done is make a list of all the stuff
> that has to be done, whom to call, account nos., etc. She has buried a
> daughter and two husbands and has drawn on that experience.

That is a very useful list to have.  I am suddenly wondering about the
daughter she buried.  Did we know this?  My brain is very much fried
tonight.  Did you tell us this earlier?

I am grateful for the <back-channeling>, btw.  The back-channeler
remains anonymous, since that's what I think is appropriate unless a bc
reveals him/herself, but my mentioning it in this response might be a
hint as to the identity.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>That is a very useful list to have.  I am suddenly wondering about the
>daughter she buried.  Did we know this?  My brain is very much fried
>tonight.  Did you tell us this earlier?

I don't remember - probably. Barbara Ann, my only sibling, was 2 1/2 yrs
younger than me. She died of polio in the summer of 1950. It was
very hard on all of us. She was sick on the weekend, in the hospital by
Monday or Tuesday, in an iron long within about 24 hours, and dead by
Thursday.

(I frequently consult the ssa.gov site, as laws change, so naturally knew
where you should go for info, Natalie.)

Bethany

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On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:27:01 -0600, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
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>Hi, Neal.  What prompted your sudden reappearance?
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Avoidance.  I'm trying to write a section of the company's response to an
RFP.

And talk of sharp knives.



My condolences on the loss of your mother.  Though I of course never met
her, reading years of your depictions make her nearly as <real> in my mind
as any dearly departed wordsler.

neal

PS.  You do need to have many, many copies of the certificate, though I'm
not sure they all have to be official (raised seal and all that).

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        Why are you obsessing about this?  Just don't cash the next
two checks and they'll send somebody around to see what's
up.  I declared many senior citizens who went off to Florida
and forgot to have their checks dealt with Officially Alive
when I worked in the courts.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>
>>record-breaking for late calling.  (I may try tonight on the chance that
>>the ss people are 24-hr people.  Trying to call tomorrow will be a
>>
>
> I did try, but I was so maxed out with telephone menus (you wouldn't
> believe how many of them I've waded through today) that I gave up after
> about the second level of the menu.  I don't think it was going anywhere
> -- as in I think no real person was likely to answer at any point.
> Another reason I hung up was that one of the menu items was for getting
> a phone number for your local ss office.  A light-bulb went on in my
> head then, illuminating the thought that I should wait and call the
> local office.  They were very helpful to me earlier.  I'd rather deal
> with them than with some national menu.  If it has to be next week,
> which it almost certainly will have to be, that's ok.  As conscientious
> as I am about rule-following and promptness -- and I am big-time on both
> of those, I will say that in a case like this that my waiting until
> Monday really can't be so bad.  Think about the unexpected deaths and
> the arrangements etc.  How many people think to call an ss office even
> if they know they're supposed to?  And how many more don't ever think
> about it at all?
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:52:55 -0600, Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
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>        Why are you obsessing about this?  Just don't cash the next
>two checks and they'll send somebody around to see what's
>up.  I declared many senior citizens who went off to Florida
>and forgot to have their checks dealt with Officially Alive
>when I worked in the courts.

Aren't Social Security benefits direct deposited?  My recollection is that
SSA stopped writing actual checks several years ago.

So that game won't work.

neal

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> Aren't Social Security benefits direct deposited?

Yes, they are. It took two months for them to stop being deposited into
Grampa's bank account after we'd called when he died.

It's good to see you, Neal. I wish you'd avoid stuff more. :) How's life on
the west coast treating you?

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I don't remember - probably. Barbara Ann, my only sibling, was 2 1/2 yrs
> younger than me. She died of polio in the summer of 1950. It was
> very hard on all of us. She was sick on the weekend, in the hospital by
> Monday or Tuesday, in an iron long within about 24 hours, and dead by
> Thursday.

I really don't remember hearing about this before.  What a terrible
experience to go through, for all of your family.  Those polio summers
are still a nightmare in my mind even though no family or friends died.
I do know a good many people who were in iron lungs and some who have
pretty serious after-effects (of the polio, not of the iron lungs).

--
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Neal Traven wrote:

> My condolences on the loss of your mother.  Though I of course never met
> her, reading years of your depictions make her nearly as <real> in my mind
> as any dearly departed wordsler.

Thanks.  She gradually turned into a different person in the past couple
of years.  Not as in those personality changes that come with diseases
like Alzheimers, when formerly gentle people suddenly become mean, but
just a gradual loss of interest in life, of comprehension of many
things, etc.  I wish the nursing home staff (who are truly wonderful
people, I should add) had known her when she was her former self.  She
used to be so easily pleased and with such a great sense of humor, etc.
That declined.

--
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Neal Traven wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:52:55 -0600, Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
> wrote:
>
>
>>       Why are you obsessing about this?  Just don't cash the next
>>two checks and they'll send somebody around to see what's
>>up.  I declared many senior citizens who went off to Florida
>>and forgot to have their checks dealt with Officially Alive
>>when I worked in the courts.
>>
>
> Aren't Social Security benefits direct deposited?  My recollection is that
> SSA stopped writing actual checks several years ago.
>
> So that game won't work.


        Oh, man.  That was the fun part of the job!  Bet you could
get the same effect if you just closed the bank account.  In
any case, Natalie shouldn't be obsessing about social
security right now -- they'll wait.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> I don't remember - probably. Barbara Ann, my only sibling, was 2 1/2 yrs
younger than me.

I'm sorry to hear this, Bethany. I dread the day when I lose a sibling.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:14:30 -0500, Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM> wrote:

>> Aren't Social Security benefits direct deposited?
>
>Yes, they are. It took two months for them to stop being deposited into
>Grampa's bank account after we'd called when he died.
>
>It's good to see you, Neal. I wish you'd avoid stuff more. :) How's life on
>the west coast treating you?
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@attbi.com

I miss <weather>, and I'm very jealous of all that snow you guys got.
Christmas in Seattle was 40 degrees of driving rain/drizzle, with steady
30mph winds.  Not a pretty sight.

Work is pretty intense ... we do a whole lot more stuff here than we ever
did at that near-equivalent organization in NH.  Lots of fun, but it can
get too heavy (like right now).  And a good bit of travel coming up, for
work (Baltimore in January, Orlando in February), for avocation (that SFO
trip is a SABR Board meeting), and for academic celebration (late March).

The last is a "Festschrift" for the chair of my department at Pitt, who's
retiring after 30 years at the helm.  He was also my dissertation advisor.
I was already planning to attend the event, but I recently received a
message from the organizers asking me(!) to give a short talk about his
work in cardiovascular epidemiology.  Since Lew Kuller is one of the
world's giants of CVD epi, it's a daunting responsibility to somehow
distill that down to 10-15 minutes.  I don't quite understand why they
asked lil ole me to do this, since he's trained a whole lot of well-
regarded cardiovascular epidemiologists who are still in the field, but
I'll give it my best shot.

neal, now packing up stuff to work on that RFP at home...

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At 07:46 PM 12/26/2002 -0500, Neal Traven wrote:
>On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:35:49 -0800, B Clark <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>wrote:
>
> >Neal, do you want to go to Santa Rosa with us next month and see Myles?
> >Betty
>
>When next month?  I have a meeting in Burlingame on January 17-18, and am
>scheduled to depart from SFO at 1:30pm on Sunday the 19th.  There's a small
>possibility that the meeting would extend into Sunday morning.  One of the
>other meeting attendees will have driven in from Calistoga (he won't go
>back and forth each day).

Well, let's find a time.  Janet was the one with out of town obligations.

Betty

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         Why are you obsessing about this?  Just don't cash the next
> two checks and they'll send somebody around to see what's
> up.  I declared many senior citizens who went off to Florida
> and forgot to have their checks dealt with Officially Alive
> when I worked in the courts.

I didn't realize I was obsessing about it.  But I was concerned that the
info on the web page said something about notifying the bank to return
the money.  (Physical checks don't arrive -- the money is automatically
deposited into her checking account.)  The whole deal sounds pretty
complicated -- asking the bank to send back money, etc.  There's also
the matter of her bank account.  Her means are not so great as to
cavalierly say "just don't cash the next two checks."  Bills will
continue to arrive (one of which will be a whopper -- the cost of even
simple grave-side services is truly amazing).  So there are practical
reasons to think about these matters, even though I do consider them
minor in some ways.  I also continue to wonder about how people of
lesser general awareness and lesser means handle these situations.  Ok,
so I'm mutant -- iow, I should not assume that I have "general
awareness."  But I do think I have more awareness of some kinds of
things than some people do.  And I think that I have more financial
resources than many people -- i.e., I can pay for a funeral when not
just everybody can.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Neal Traven wrote:

> Aren't Social Security benefits direct deposited?  My recollection is that
> SSA stopped writing actual checks several years ago.

I don't know whether it's a rule.  I do know that that's how my mother's
ss money arrived.  Can't remember now whether that was the automatic
method or it was requested.  I can't imagine wanting to get a physical
check for anything that can be automatically deposited.  Ditto
bill-paying.  Pretty much my whole financial life is automatic.  Income
is infused into my checking account without my doing anything;  bills
are paid from my checking account without my doing anything.  I would
hate to have to go back to the days of fooling with pieces of paper,
whether income or outgo.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 09:29 PM 12/26/2002 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > I don't remember - probably. Barbara Ann, my only sibling, was 2 1/2 yrs
>younger than me.
>
>I'm sorry to hear this, Bethany. I dread the day when I lose a sibling.

It's hard. Losing my sister two years ago was harder on me than I thought
it would be. I remember thinking that I hoped I didn't have to bury all of
my brothers and sisters and then I realized WAIT.  I'm the youngest.

Betty

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Hope it was a good one.

. . .

BB

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> I miss <weather>, and I'm very jealous of all that snow you guys got.

I'll mail you some.

>  I don't quite understand why they asked lil ole me to do this

Because you rock, of course. Duh!

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> I didn't realize I was obsessing about it.  But I was concerned that the
> info on the web page said something about notifying the bank to return
> the money.  (Physical checks don't arrive -- the money is automatically
> deposited into her checking account.)  The whole deal sounds pretty
> complicated -- asking the bank to send back money, etc.  There's also
> the matter of her bank account.  Her means are not so great as to
> cavalierly say "just don't cash the next two checks."  Bills will
> continue to arrive (one of which will be a whopper -- the cost of even
> simple grave-side services is truly amazing).


        That's inconsistent.  If her benefits end as of December 1st,
the next two checks are out of consideration regardless of
what bills will continue to arrive.

        FWIW, our experience with various dead relatives was similar
to Adam's.  If I remember correctly, SS deposited a couple
of additional checks into Anne's account, then sucked them
back out again -- we just had to leave the account open for
longer than we would have liked (other things were being
direct deposited as well -- dividend checks, etc.).  I think
her funeral came to nearly $8,000, but she had arranged
everything she wanted and signed over a $10,000 insurance
policy to the funeral home to cover it -- we just got the
"change" when all was said and done.

So there are practical
> reasons to think about these matters, even though I do consider them
> minor in some ways.  I also continue to wonder about how people of
> lesser general awareness and lesser means handle these situations.  Ok,
> so I'm mutant -- iow, I should not assume that I have "general
> awareness."  But I do think I have more awareness of some kinds of
> things than some people do.  And I think that I have more financial
> resources than many people -- i.e., I can pay for a funeral when not
> just everybody can.
> --


        One just handles them.  Social security, pensions, etc., it
all gets figured out eventually.  One doesn't have to get
every loose end tied up within 24 hours of death.  It took
us months to get everything cleared up when Anne died, and
we had been handling her affairs for awhile. Even now we
occasionally get a stray dividend check from stocks sold two
years ago.  Relax.  It's not that big a deal.  People die
all the time and somehow their affairs are taken care of.
Don't make it so hard on yourself.  Stay off the phone for a
few days if you need to.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Betty wrote:
>
> Hope it was a good one.

Today was T-Bone's bday????  Phyllis has got to return to us!  Not just
because of bdays but in general.  Why did she leave us?  My optimistic
nature makes me think that she will return -- true Wordslers always
return, and she is for sure a true Wordsler.  Among many other things,
she was our ftf representative when Giggles died.

Happy BD, T-Bone!

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Rita Chapman wrote:
> > I didn't realize I was obsessing about it.  But I was concerned that the
> > info on the web page said something about notifying the bank to return
> > the money.  (Physical checks don't arrive -- the money is automatically
> > deposited into her checking account.)  The whole deal sounds pretty
> > complicated -- asking the bank to send back money, etc.  There's also
> > the matter of her bank account.  Her means are not so great as to
> > cavalierly say "just don't cash the next two checks."  Bills will
> > continue to arrive (one of which will be a whopper -- the cost of even
> > simple grave-side services is truly amazing).
>
>         That's inconsistent.  If her benefits end as of December 1st,
> the next two checks are out of consideration regardless of
> what bills will continue to arrive.

What's inconsistent?  My shock was in discovering that her December ss
payment will have to be returned.  That is very definitely a budgetary
factor.  She lived entirely on ss.  And she had quite a few expenses in
December.

> years ago.  Relax.  It's not that big a deal.  People die
> all the time and somehow their affairs are taken care of.
> Don't make it so hard on yourself.  Stay off the phone for a
> few days if you need to.

No, it's not the biggest deal in the world.  I certainly agree with
that.  But I do still wonder about the "one just handles them" (oops --
I think I cut off that part -- it was at the beginning of your paragraph
-- one just handles these matters).  I can in fact manage to pay the
approximately $10,000 for the funeral costs, but I'm not sure that
everybody who faces this kind of situation can.  (It would have been a
super major problem for me this time last year, when I was still
recovering from moving costs and before I retired and started
double-dipping.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 09:01 PM 12/26/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> >
> > Hope it was a good one.
>
>Today was T-Bone's bday????  Phyllis has got to return to us!  Not just
>because of bdays but in general.  Why did she leave us?  My optimistic
>nature makes me think that she will return -- true Wordslers always
>return, and she is for sure a true Wordsler.  Among many other things,
>she was our ftf representative when Giggles died.
>
>Happy BD, T-Bone!

And it's her birthday in two more days!

Betty

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Thank you for your kind comments, Adam, Natalie, and Betty. As I said, it
was hard. Barbara and I were not especially close - at 13+ and
not-quite-11, we would not have been. But the experience was pretty awful.

Bethany

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What'd you think of this?

http://discover.npr.org/rundowns/rundown.jhtml?prgId=3&prgDate=current

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On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Happy BD, T-Bone!

Indeed!

I am going over to Duke next May - I will have to find Phyllis.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I am going over to Duke next May - I will have to find Phyllis.

She's at CH, but that's close enough.  You need to track her down.

--
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I don't think guns should be allowed in cock pits. Discuss.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> And it's her birthday in two more days!

Ok, we need to blitz her with bday greetings.  Who has her current
e-mail address?  (It is no doubt easily findable on the web, of
course.)  Two days from now is Saturday?  I'm worried that I will
forget.  I will be coming back from Jackson pretty late Saturday.  But I
definitely think that a bday blitz is in order.

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Betty wrote:
>
> I don't think guns should be allowed in cock pits. Discuss.

I agree with you.

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At 09:24 PM 12/26/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > And it's her birthday in two more days!
>
>Ok, we need to blitz her with bday greetings.  Who has her current
>e-mail address?  (It is no doubt easily findable on the web, of
>course.)  Two days from now is Saturday?  I'm worried that I will
>forget.  I will be coming back from Jackson pretty late Saturday.  But I
>definitely think that a bday blitz is in order.

I won't be here either.  The address that I have for her is:

phyllis_petree@UNC.EDU

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At 09:25 PM 12/26/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Betty wrote:
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> > I don't think guns should be allowed in cock pits. Discuss.
>
>I agree with you.

You are very smart.

Betty

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In a message dated 12/26/2002 4:02:18 PM Central Standard Time,
bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<<
At 01:50 PM 12/26/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> > > >It's a law firm, BETTY! Excuse me!
> > >
> > > She is doing words-l mail at work???
> >
> > OBJECTION!
>
>I SECOND THAT OBJECTION!

Over ruled.

>>

Sidebar, Your Honor!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Betty" <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>
> I don't think guns should be allowed in cock pits. Discuss.
>
> Betty

Hi Betty, I appreciate your concern; in a place like a pressurized airplane,
what kind'a place has a firearm?!

In my best estimation, it goes back to the reason we arm police.  We need a
soldier of the streets, as it were... or in the contemporary case, the
airliner.  Otherwise, the misled will threaten everyone onboard with a God
damn razor, aka, box cutter.

Most pilots have a military background and are trained in small arms.  I see
no reason to deprive pilots of the one subsisting agent they may depend
upon.  Live and let live... so to speak, unless one means to kill the entire
aircraft... and in that case, HELP that person find the gates (to the
infernal region :)

'Alan

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In a message dated 12/26/2002 9:49:31 AM Central Standard Time,
Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:

<<
Thank you, Evelyn. And I hope your Mother will be able to fight her
disease.
>>

Thanks!  She said that she's going to the drugstore and get a box
of nicotine patches.  The patches are cheaper than cigarettes
nowadays if you buy the cigarettes any place other than the
Indian smoke shops.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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In a message dated 12/25/2002 5:28:56 PM Central Standard Time,
s.words@POP.MINDSPRING.COM writes:

<<
We've moved Christmas to Sunday this year.
>>

So have we since both Kathie and I will be off during most of
the day and my nephew Henry (the one who works at Honda
in Marysville) will be driving down from Ohio.  :)  I remember
when he was a baby; he's grown up and I haven't.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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In a message dated 12/26/2002 5:44:57 PM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
Do I need to call the social security office to inform them of Mama's
death and thus the stoppage of her ss check?
>>

It won't hurt.  You may have to fax them a copy of her death
certificate.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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In a message dated 12/26/2002 7:24:59 PM Central Standard Time,
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<<
I did try, but I was so maxed out with telephone menus (you wouldn't
believe how many of them I've waded through today) that I gave up after
about the second level of the menu.
>>

If you can get away with it, pretend that you have a rotary phone and
don't punch any buttons.  Then you will most likely be connected with
a real person.

Evelyn

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In a message dated 12/26/2002 7:17:42 PM Central Standard Time,
adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<<
My parking lot is an icy, compacted snow nightmare, and the sidewalks aren't
much fun, either. Time to break in the YakTraks, I think. I hear the roads
are fine.


>>

Same here.  For someone who depends as much on walking as I do,
it's not a fun time.

Evelyn

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From: Neal Traven <beisbol@ALUMNI.PITT.EDU>
Subject: Re: He y'all...
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On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:16:36 -0500, Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU> wrote:

>What'd you think of this?
>
>http://discover.npr.org/rundowns/rundown.jhtml?prgId=3&prgDate=current

Jack and Jorma are wonderful musicians.  I've seen Hot Tuna a couple of
times over the past few years.

That's what you were referring us to, isn't it?

neal

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, T-Bone
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Thank you, all. It was, in fact, the best birthday I have had
since I came to America. Not for anything that happened today,
but due to a better overall mood of, I guess I could call it,
contentment.

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I'm glad I popped on....would have regretted missing the chance to give you
my best wishes for a happy birthday and a rewarding year to come.

Sandra

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Happy Birthday, Tushar.  May each birthday be happier than the one
before.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal Traven" <beisbol@ALUMNI.PITT.EDU>
> On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:16:36 -0500, Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU> wrote:
>
> >What'd you think of this?
> >
> >http://discover.npr.org/rundowns/rundown.jhtml?prgId=3&prgDate=current
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> Jack and Jorma are wonderful musicians.  I've seen Hot Tuna a couple of
> times over the past few years.
>
> That's what you were referring us to, isn't it?
>
> neal

Yeah! ... I have a great live version of Watch the North Wind Rise.  "One
more time, Run your hand down my spine," and all that jazz...

But no... I was referring to the DC gun protagonists...

;-)  how's the farm?

'Alan

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>I just went to arrirang.com but a message from my employer popped up and
>said I was denied access!  I never saw that before.
>
>Ann

I was glad that when I went there, it wasn't from my work computer, and it
wasn't when any parents or munchkins were in sight of my computer screen
either.

Just out of curiousity, which filtering service does your employer use?

Also, why are you at work on the day after Christmas?  Are you under the
influence of their clever motivational gifts?

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E. L. Kersten School of Motivational Studies

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Natalie, when Keith died the funeral director helped me figure out who
to contact.  He advised me to order at least 10 copies of the death
certificate as most entities require the receipt of that certificate to
make the notification official.   I think all I did was mail the
certificate to the SS office once I received them.... I can't really remember.

But you really can't do much without the death certificate.

I also discovered that 10 certificates were not enough and had to order
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>Thank you, all. It was, in fact, the best birthday I have had
>since I came to America. Not for anything that happened today,
>but due to a better overall mood of, I guess I could call it,
>contentment.

What an excellent birthday gift. I'm glad you're feeling contented
and I hope it keeps up.

Janet

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>I also discovered that 10 certificates were not enough and had to order
>at least five more.

>Sylvia Edwards

The mortuary directory -- a truly helpful person who guided us through a
lot of rough spots -- suggested that my mom order at least 12 copies of my
dad's death certificate.  I guess that my parents led a more complicated
life than most people do, because we could have ordered over 20 copies and
still not have overdone it.

Somewhere in the dim recesses of my memory banks there's a remembrance of a
Kafka-esque short story in which no one is allowed to die until they have
all the paperwork in order.

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Gregor Samsa School of Institutional Studies

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Ken Miller :

>Also, why are you at work on the day after Christmas?  Are you under the
>influence of their clever motivational gifts?

I was at work yesterday - suppose that marks me as a pathetic luser.
Worse, though we had Christmas eve off, the Belgians didn't and I
ended up working a post-lunch Central European day. I'll be sooo
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Tushar:

>Thank you, all. It was, in fact, the best birthday I have had
>since I came to America. Not for anything that happened today,
>but due to a better overall mood of, I guess I could call it,
>contentment.

Yay!

-rashmi


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Adam/LH:

>My parking lot is an icy, compacted snow nightmare, and the sidewalks
>aren't
>much fun, either. Time to break in the YakTraks, I think. I hear the roads
>are fine.

Too bad it's too early for Snowbash. Sounds like perfect weather for it.

Glad you're okay, and hail!

-rashmi

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> If you can get away with it, pretend that you have a rotary phone and
> don't punch any buttons.  Then you will most likely be connected with
> a real person.

Thanks for the reminder of that tip!  I had known it and used it in the
past but had forgotten it.  The menus used to add something about "if
you're using a rotary phone, stay on the line," but I think most have
dropped that now.  I hate phone menus.  I remember once calling the MSU
Telecomm office for some reason and getting so lost in an endless maze
of menus that I finally hung up and walked downstairs to do whatever I
was trying to do ftf.  I think I've mentioned before that all those
Telecomm people are my friends since their offices are near the coke
machine in the basement of my building.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> Thank you, all. It was, in fact, the best birthday I have had
> since I came to America. Not for anything that happened today,
> but due to a better overall mood of, I guess I could call it,
> contentment.

And that is a happy thought.

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Bookrat wrote:

> Also, why are you at work on the day after Christmas?  Are you under the

I thought pretty much everybody except school-related people were back
at work the day after xmas.  Wait -- I take that back.  Spencer's vet's
office was closed Dec. 25-26 (but with the home phone of one of the vets
for emergencies).  I know that because I tried to call the office
yesterday morning and got a recording saying that.  The reason I called
was that Furrbabies is full to the brim and overflowing, so I decided
that maybe I could take Spencer to his vet when I leave this morning and
combine teeth-cleaning with staying there while I'm gone.  I don't like
the idea of boarding at a vet since I don't think the dogs get the
personal attention and play time there that they do at Furrbabies.  In
fact, I'm sure they don't.  That's why I thought about the
teeth-cleaning -- which would mean he would be asleep and then groggy
for part of the time, meaning he wouldn't be as bored.  It's still not
totally out of the question since they open at 7:30 this morning.  I
could call then and see about dropping him off there at 8:00.  Otoh, I
have the feeling they also might be full re boarders.  I don't know
about other places, but around here there are lots and lots and lots of
people out of town at this time of year.  So I've decided to leave
Spencer at home.  He seemed to do fine when I left him for about 24
hours in October, and this will be not all that much longer.  I'll leave
around 8:00 this morning and will return late tomorrow afternoon.  I've
already got every large bowl and pan I own sitting in the kitchen to be
filled with food and water (not mixed in the same bowl).  And I will
tell him that his duty is to guard the house from burglars, who are in
fact rampant at this time of year since so many people are out of town.

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On 26 Dec 2002 at 22:59, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Not for anything that happened today, but due to a better overall mood
> of, I guess I could call it, contentment.

Get over it.

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> But you really can't do much without the death certificate.

Thanks.  That ss url says to call them immediately, but I'm still
thinking about waiting until Monday.
>
> I also discovered that 10 certificates were not enough and had to order
> at least five more.

Ten must be the standard number offered via funeral homes.  I noticed
that was the number listed in the cost info the nice funeral man
e-mailed me (because I had asked him for a rough estimate so that I
could start planning -- he was not the one to introduce the topic of
cost).  When I see him ftf today, maybe I'll ask about getting more --
like whether I do that via the funeral home or just directly via the
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On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>She's at CH, but that's close enough.  You need to track her down.

I don't know what CH Is - but I had no trouble meeting with her last time
I was in the <Duke> area.

Bethany

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Bookrat wrote:

> Somewhere in the dim recesses of my memory banks there's a remembrance of a
> Kafka-esque short story in which no one is allowed to die until they have
> all the paperwork in order.

I'm almost sure I've told the story before about the tyrannical
secretary at my high school.  When somebody left school early -- as in
before the 3:15 p.m. end of the school day -- it was necessary to get a
pink dismissal slip.  One day a student had some kind of serious
convulsion and was being hauled off semi-conscious on a stretcher to be
put into an ambulance.  Although I didn't see this, the story was that
Mrs. Myers was seen running down the hall behind the stretcher waving a
pink slip in her hand and saying, "You forgot your dismissal slip!"

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >She's at CH, but that's close enough.  You need to track her down.
>
> I don't know what CH Is - but I had no trouble meeting with her last time
> I was in the <Duke> area.

I bet you can figure out what CH is if you think really, really hard --
three schools, three towns, triangular arrangement.

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I'll be setting nomail shortly - be back Monday afternoon.

Bethany

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On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I bet you can figure out what CH is if you think really, really hard --
>three schools, three towns, triangular arrangement.

I know Duke, NCSU and UNC. No CH.

Carolina HIgh?

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:
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> >I bet you can figure out what CH is if you think really, really hard --
> >three schools, three towns, triangular arrangement.
>
> I know Duke, NCSU and UNC. No CH.

You really hear it called UNC?  I almost never hear that.  Do you also
call Berkeley UC?

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Natalie, you must have been thinking towns; I was thinking universities. I
guess you meant Chapel Hill. I would never abbreviate it CH, though.

Bethany

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At 09:11 AM 12/27/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Natalie, you must have been thinking towns; I was thinking universities. I
>guess you meant Chapel Hill. I would never abbreviate it CH, though.
>
>Bethany

That (UNC-CH) is how the university system abbreviates it.

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On Friday, December 27, 2002, at 03:41 , Alan Wild wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Betty" <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>>
>> I don't think guns should be allowed in cock pits. Discuss.
>>
>> Betty
>
> In my best estimation, it goes back to the reason we arm police.

or not...

> We need a
> soldier of the streets,

Very bad idea.
>
> Most pilots have a military background and are trained in small arms.

Wrong again, only in your part of the world.

> 'Alan
>
Roy

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>>I didn't realize I was obsessing about it.  But I was concerned that the
>>>info on the web page said something about notifying the bank to return
>>>the money.  (Physical checks don't arrive -- the money is automatically
>>>deposited into her checking account.)  The whole deal sounds pretty
>>>complicated -- asking the bank to send back money, etc.  There's also
>>>the matter of her bank account.  Her means are not so great as to
>>>cavalierly say "just don't cash the next two checks."  Bills will
>>>continue to arrive (one of which will be a whopper -- the cost of even
>>>simple grave-side services is truly amazing).
>>>
>>        That's inconsistent.  If her benefits end as of December 1st,
>>the next two checks are out of consideration regardless of
>>what bills will continue to arrive.
>>
>
> What's inconsistent?  My shock was in discovering that her December ss
> payment will have to be returned.  That is very definitely a budgetary
> factor.  She lived entirely on ss.  And she had quite a few expenses in
> December.


        That you couldn't ignore those two checks so cavalierly.  You
have to ignore them.


>
>>years ago.  Relax.  It's not that big a deal.  People die
>>all the time and somehow their affairs are taken care of.
>>Don't make it so hard on yourself.  Stay off the phone for a
>>few days if you need to.
>>
>
> No, it's not the biggest deal in the world.  I certainly agree with
> that.  But I do still wonder about the "one just handles them" (oops --
> I think I cut off that part -- it was at the beginning of your paragraph
> -- one just handles these matters).  I can in fact manage to pay the
> approximately $10,000 for the funeral costs, but I'm not sure that
> everybody who faces this kind of situation can.  (It would have been a
> super major problem for me this time last year, when I was still
> recovering from moving costs and before I retired and started
> double-dipping.)


        People either get a loan or do something less expensive.  For
example, Kevin and I plan to be cremated at the discount
place in the City that charges about $500 right now.  A
memorial service at St. B. wouldn't cost anything
significant on top of that.  Most of the people in our
families who have died planned their funerals ahead and made
sure the money was put away for it -- except for my pappou,
who died more suddenly and wasn't much for planning ahead in
life in general.  I think my dad got a small loan from his
union to pay for Papa's funeral because Papa died with maybe
$200 to his name.  My dad cremated his sister, and that
didn't cost too much -- and he had a very, very good time
telling my brother he had spilled some of the ashes on the
seat of my brother's car -- he said that alone was worth the
cost. In any case, I bet if you asked your friendly funeral
director, he would tell you that you can pay for the funeral
in installments.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 09:35 AM 12/27/2002 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>Tushar:
>
>>Thank you, all. It was, in fact, the best birthday I have had
>>since I came to America. Not for anything that happened today,
>>but due to a better overall mood of, I guess I could call it,
>>contentment.
>
>Yay!

Employment is a wonderful thing. Sometimes you sound like an old fart now,
T-Bone, and I worry about you.

BB

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Betty wrote:

> At 09:35 AM 12/27/2002 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
>> Tushar:
>>
>>> Thank you, all. It was, in fact, the best birthday I have had
>>> since I came to America. Not for anything that happened today,
>>> but due to a better overall mood of, I guess I could call it,
>>> contentment.
>>
>>
>> Yay!
>
>
> Employment is a wonderful thing. Sometimes you sound like an old fart now,
> T-Bone, and I worry about you.


        He's starting to remind me of this guy from Bombay I knew in
college -- a graduate student in the computer science
department.  He was about 35 or so, very nice, but during
the winter, late at night, he would turn the heat in the
Wannalancit computer lab up to the maximum so that it was
downright steamy down there.  Then he would pad around the
filthy linoleum floor in his bare feet with a big smile on
his face while we all perspired at the VT220 terminals. He
was bald, and in possession of a FATASS, too.

        HB Tushar!
--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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>From: bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM>
>What about Marie?   How is everyone?

We were down in the Philly area for Christmas. Bruce and I have a Christmas
Day tradition now of slipping away from the family for a couple of hours and
going to see a movie (this year: "Adaptation"). When we went in to the
theater, it was raining very very hard. On our way out, we were faced with
blizzard conditions. We turned on the car radio, tuned to 880, and heard
immediately that Westchester was in the midst of a "white-out" situation.
"Holiday travel not advised. Visit grandma tomorrow." We had planned to head
home after dinner (30 hours being about my outer limit of sanity with my
family), but decided it was prudent to stay another night, and accept the
consequences. Drove home yesterday, the roads were horrible -- lots of
plowers in holiday, I suppose. Our driveway wasn't plowed when we arrived
home, and under nearly a foot of snow. And not an hour after we arrived home
to our snowy wonderland, we lost all power. Lit candles, drank some wine,
heated tortilla soup on the grill, visited with the neighbors, and made the
best of it. The power came back before we went to sleep.

Marie

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>In any case, I bet if you asked your friendly funeral
>director, he would tell you that you can pay for the funeral
>in installments.       --Rita Rouvalis Chapman

And sometimes they wait for the estate to be settled, which can take a
year.  Then the funeral expenses are paid for like any other debt incurred
by the deceased.


    --bonniev

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>From: Lisa Alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
>Christmas Eve dinner. From 7 pm to 11 pm we feasted
>on lobster tails, oysters, calamari, scungili, macaroni, antipasto, spinach
>bread, eggplant bread, plain italian bread, fried shrimp, seafood salad
>(not
>the kind with imitation crab meat and mayo.. the kind with shrimp, lobster,
>calamari, etc. mixed with oil, vinegar and a few other seasonings) and a
>whole
>bunch of other stuff I've forgotten.

What, no bacala stew?

Marie

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On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, Bookrat wrote:
>
> Just out of curiousity, which filtering service does your employer use?

I don't know.  I'm not going to ask, either.  I'm going to pretend I don't
know nuthin bout no porn or anti-porn or meta-porn even.
>
> Also, why are you at work on the day after Christmas?  Are you under the
> influence of their clever motivational gifts?

I am under the duress of the business work week.  We did get the afternoon
of the 24th off - most of us, others had to stay to mind the shop in case.

My bus to work (I ferry only in the evening commute) has been so
wonderfully empty today and yesterday.  I sit in a spot in the back that
has a panoramic view when nobody else is sitting at all near me.  And the
bus driver drives like a maniac in a roadster.  So today especially it was
a thrilling ride:  we drove across the GG bridge under pink and stormy
skies, with waves crashing on the rocks below; then we swooped down into
the Marina district with my moving sweeping view of the Bay and the
headlands north of it.

I felt like a queen.  Then we moseyed into the less beautiful districts
and I turned into a pumpkin as I got off at Mission and First.

Ann

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roy Jaques" <rjaques@ONETEL.NET.UK>
>Frriday, December 27, 2002, at 03:41 , Alan Wild wrote:
> > In my best estimation, it goes back to the reason we arm police.
>
> or not...

It is entirely stupid to seek protection from a morally willing soul, and
yet to keep from them the means by which they might deal with deadly force,
which they are more than likely to encounter on your behalf.



> > We need a
> > soldier of the streets,
>
> Very bad idea.

Police are a good idea, short of them being used to collect taxes, ie.
speeding tickets.



> > Most pilots have a military background and are trained in small arms.
>
> Wrong again, only in your part of the world.

Cite!

Or better yet, let's dispense with this potentially emotional issue.
Suffice to say there are two types of people: those who seek to carve their
own destiny and take upon themselves the risks and benefits of self
protection, granting that right to responsible others... and then there are
those that don't.

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>>>Thank you, all. It was, in fact, the best birthday I have had
>>>since I came to America. Not for anything that happened today,
>>>but due to a better overall mood of, I guess I could call it,
>>>contentment.
>>
>>Yay!
>
>Employment is a wonderful thing.

He sounds positively euphoric. Do you see an end in sight
out of H1B limboland? That does wear one out.

-rashmi

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On 27 Dec 2002 at 11:53, Alan Wild wrote:

> Or better yet, let's dispense with this potentially emotional issue.

Sure, let's talk about something more cheerful. How about U.S.
torture in the Middle East?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37943-2002Dec25.html

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>I don't think guns should be allowed in cock pits. Discuss.
>
>Betty

If chicken guns are outlawed, only outlaw chickens will have guns.

Ken Miller
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The Lostin Times

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>>What'd you think of this?
>>
>>http://discover.npr.org/rundowns/rundown.jhtml?prgId=3&prgDate=current
>
>Jack and Jorma are wonderful musicians.  I've seen Hot Tuna a couple of
>times over the past few years.
>
>That's what you were referring us to, isn't it?
>
>neal

This beings words-l and all, I assumed he was referring to the Hooters Air
story. :-)

Ken Miller
Farrell School of Investigative Pursuits

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On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 08:26:08AM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > Also, why are you at work on the day after Christmas?  Are you under the
> > influence of their clever motivational gifts?
>
> I am under the duress of the business work week.  We did get the afternoon
> of the 24th off - most of us, others had to stay to mind the shop in case.

Never heard "duress" used like that. Well, never really got the
point of people exclaiming "you are working on a Saturday?!! What,
are you CRAZY?" etc. People are inexplicable man ...

> My bus to work (I ferry only in the evening commute) has been so
> wonderfully empty today and yesterday.  I sit in a spot in the back that
> has a panoramic view when nobody else is sitting at all near me.  And the
> bus driver drives like a maniac in a roadster.  So today especially it was
> a thrilling ride:  we drove across the GG bridge under pink and stormy
> skies, with waves crashing on the rocks below; then we swooped down into
> the Marina district with my moving sweeping view of the Bay and the
> headlands north of it.
>
> I felt like a queen.  Then we moseyed into the less beautiful districts
> and I turned into a pumpkin as I got off at Mission and First.

Pumpkins are cuter than queens

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On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 02:00:52AM -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 26 Dec 2002 at 22:59, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Not for anything that happened today, but due to a better overall mood
> > of, I guess I could call it, contentment.
>
> Get over it.

I did. 10:30pm yesterday.

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>"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>>
>>  On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>>  >I bet you can figure out what CH is if you think really, really hard --
>>  >three schools, three towns, triangular arrangement.
>>
>>  I know Duke, NCSU and UNC. No CH.
>
>You really hear it called UNC?  I almost never hear that.  Do you also
>call Berkeley UC?

Yes, in any context where it can't be easily confused with the other UCs.

Janet

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On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 08:56:50AM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> He's starting to remind me of this guy from Bombay I knew
> in college -- a graduate student in the computer science
> department.  He was about 35 or so, very nice, but during
> the winter, late at night, he would turn the heat in the
> Wannalancit computer lab up to the maximum so that it was
> downright steamy down there.  Then he would pad around the
> filthy linoleum floor in his bare feet with a big smile on
> his face while we all perspired at the VT220 terminals. He
> was bald, and in possession of a FATASS, too.

This is old fart behavior? Then everyone in Mumbai is an
old fart ...

>        HB Tushar!

Hold me ...

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On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 04:55:13PM +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >>>Thank you, all. It was, in fact, the best birthday I have had
> >>>since I came to America. Not for anything that happened today,
> >>>but due to a better overall mood of, I guess I could call it,
> >>>contentment.
> >>
> >>Yay!
> >
> >Employment is a wonderful thing.
>
> He sounds positively euphoric. Do you see an end in sight
> out of H1B limboland? That does wear one out.

Greetings, Rashmi--

This is not euphoria, but the general NON-violent mood of
feelin' good. I have been feeling it for a while. As for
the "limbo", there is an end in sight, there is no end in
sight, maybe there is, or isn't, who cares. I think on the
whole I will get my papers and my freedom. Ha ha, I said
freedom.

H1B reminds me, maybe I will give a K*R*N report in the
evening. I am calling her in a few minutes. Later ...

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At 09:39 AM 12/27/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>Adam/LH:
>
>>My parking lot is an icy, compacted snow nightmare, and the sidewalks
>>aren't
>>much fun, either. Time to break in the YakTraks, I think. I hear the roads
>>are fine.
>
>Too bad it's too early for Snowbash. Sounds like perfect weather for it.

I thought the same thing yesterday. Cold, icy, snowy, definitely Snowbash
material. I started to wonder who was going to make it this year, if Adam
even felt like having it.

lisa

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----- Original Message -----
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> On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >I bet you can figure out what CH is if you think really, really hard --
> >three schools, three towns, triangular arrangement.
>
> I know Duke, NCSU and UNC. No CH.
>
> Carolina HIgh?
>
> Bethany
>

Chapel Hill



alec

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Hello Alyce,

My husband scored 1,467,000 on Bookworm.....does become addictive!

Wishing you a HEALTHY AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Ellen Roth

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alyce
At 09:14 PM 11/29/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Modest Antoinette of LoupGarou Books will probably not tell you this
>herself, but she is a Level 19, Super Dictionarian, with 1,037,580
>points.
>
>Surely the record holder! And I am impressed.
>
>alyce
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I got a Sponge Bob doll for Christmas. Sweet thing, he is, with movable
spindly legs. About a foot high, in case you ever had wondered how tall
he is.

alyce

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>>Surely the record holder! And I am impressed.
>>
>>alyce

Not to brag or anything, but my own personal best is 1,573,810 points.  I
forgot to record the level, but my rank is Lexographer 1st Class.

My personal best for a single word (from subsequent game) is 30,240 points
(TWINER with one gold and two green tiles, or perhaps it was one green and
two gold).

Ken Miller
Department of Truly Trivial Pursuits

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At 11:17 AM 12/27/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>>From: Lisa Alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
>>Christmas Eve dinner. From 7 pm to 11 pm we feasted
>>on lobster tails, oysters, calamari, scungili, macaroni, antipasto, spinach
>>bread, eggplant bread, plain italian bread, fried shrimp, seafood salad
>>(not
>>the kind with imitation crab meat and mayo.. the kind with shrimp, lobster,
>>calamari, etc. mixed with oil, vinegar and a few other seasonings) and a
>>whole
>>bunch of other stuff I've forgotten.
>
>What, no bacala stew?
>
>Marie

Haha. No. I haven't had bacala since I went to my cousin's 10+ year's ago.
It wasn't in stew, it was just there, on a plate, it was the one thing I
ignored. No one noticed though.

Seems no one notices much, unless of course you take too much of something
popular. It was that year my cousin Andrew announced he was eating two
lobsters (who ones, not tails like we did this year). The second was his
wife's and since she didn't like lobster it was rightfully his. His mother,
who paid for the whole dinner, got a little nervous when my father and I
started yelling. We merely suggest he not be such a pig and should ask if
his mother wanted it.

Gotta love family...

lisa

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Proscuitto = yummy
Proscuitto from Parma = religious experience

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At 12:42 PM 12/27/2002 -0800, ken m.wrote:

>Not to brag or anything, but my own personal best is 1,573,810 points.  I
>forgot to record the level, but my rank is Lexographer 1st Class.

Unless the assignment of ranks is somewhat random, you are higher than a
Lex1; I'm at 1,548,000 and change, and am a Super Dictionarian.  SD seems
to start about 965 K and go on forever...

cwv

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> I thought the same thing yesterday. Cold, icy, snowy, definitely Snowbash
> material. I started to wonder who was going to make it this year, if Adam
> even felt like having it.

I will have it! Just have to decide on a weekend.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: proscuitto
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>Proscuitto =3D yummy
>Proscuitto from Parma =3D religious experience

I think I've mentioned this here before, but Corti Bros. in
Sacramento used to occasionally have prosciutto bones for sale. Best
soup bones *ever*.

Janet

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At 04:45 PM 12/27/2002 -0800, janet wrote:
>>Proscuitto =3D yummy
>>Proscuitto from Parma =3D religious experience
>
>I think I've mentioned this here before, but Corti Bros. in
>Sacramento used to occasionally have prosciutto bones for sale. Best
>soup bones *ever*.

One of the great things about spending time in Italy is that proscuitto is
as common (or moreso) as bacon is here.  Nothing like a breakast of Italian
bread, cheese, proscuitto, and good coffee.

cwv

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In a message dated 12/27/2002 5:46:53 AM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
Thanks for the reminder of that tip!  I had known it and used it in the
past but had forgotten it.  The menus used to add something about "if
you're using a rotary phone, stay on the line," but I think most have
dropped that now.
>>

That's because the few people who have rotary phones have push-
buttons on their phones and can activate a "temporary tone" on their
phones by pushing either the star or pound key (i forget which).

I remember when I was a kid that we could call one of our phones
from the other by dialing "11911."  It would be nice to have that
now in case one of us went outside with one of the phones.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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=
= I remember when I was a kid that we could call one of our phones
= from the other by dialing "11911."  It would be nice to have that
= now in case one of us went outside with one of the phones.
=
= Evelyn Duncan
= brandykitt@aol.com
=

Our house has four layers and two "halfs".  The bottom layer is
completely separate space, and the phone there is even on it's
own line, and the top layer has an inside and an outside.  It's
no big deal to talk up and down one set of stairs, but that's
about it.  We've got a DECT (Digital European Cordless
Telecommunications) phone set on each line.   They're pretty
cool.  The base stations can talk with each other, so we can have
any of the phones on either line, and the phones can call each
other.  Outside they have a range of 300-500 meters.  They're a
bit clunky for carrying around, but they're quite nice for having
long conversations on, unlike my mobile.  They operate in the
same 2.4 GHz band as the 802.11b wifi stuff, but so far we
haven't suffered any interference.  Then again, we're not on the
phone all that much.  Too, they're pretty nice phones, in that
the phone book in them works like that in my mobile, with a
pretty easy interface for adding people's names and numbers, and
then using the phone book to call them.  We haven't lost the
memory in any of the phones yet (and you can synch them up with
each other - or each handset can have it's own set of numbers),
but there's no way to download/backup what's in the phones.  You
can use the handsets like speakerphones too, but then only one of
you can talk at a time.

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> This has been This American Life, dumb monologue number 143.

I want proof that you are not Ira Glass. Without being perceived as a
Stalker, would you trail him and take a snapshot and post it for all of us?
I want to see him out and about in Chi Town.

Sandra

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> I've been quiet today because I've been extremely busy with arrangements
> and clearing my mother's stuff out of her room.  She died late yesterday
> afternoon.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I'm so sorry to hear this, Natalie. You were so good to her :)

Sandra

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Rashmi Murthy said:
> >>>Thank you, all. It was, in fact, the best birthday I have had
> >>>since I came to America. Not for anything that happened today,
> >>>but due to a better overall mood of, I guess I could call it,
> >>>contentment.
> >>
> >>Yay!
> >
> >Employment is a wonderful thing.
>
> He sounds positively euphoric.

That's because he knew he was going to spend this afternoon with me.

> Do you see an end in sight
> out of H1B limboland? That does wear one out.

But then what will I rag him about?!

Karen

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Tushar Samant said:
> H1B reminds me, maybe I will give a K*R*N report in the
> evening. I am calling her in a few minutes. Later ...

My Tushie Report must wait till the day after tomorrow.

Suffice it to say:  I love you, man!!!!!

Karen

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Subject: Tushar Report, or How I Lost My Virginity
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The man knows how to pick a neighborhood.

I wasn't going to post this now because it's 12:30, and I'm trying not
to catch lung crud, so I need my sleep, but I don't want to forget the
details of this frabjous day.

I shall draw a veil over the morning with my sibs. Tushar phoned me
when I was in the Burberry Store, and we agreed to meet at The Billy
Goat Tavern, which is the "Cheeseburge! Cheeseburger! Coke! No Pepsi!"
of SNL fame. I saw this not too long ago on TV, with John Belushi, Dan
Akroyd, and Bill Murray, and I can understand why they did this. This
place is a parody of itself, in a rather unconscious way. Anyway, they
really do talk just like the skit. And the food is quite good.

I had all my sibs watching the door for a bald Indian--and one
of them spotted him immediately. So he came over and disrobed, and I
introduced him around and he sat with us for a few minutes, and then
we started talking about what to do till my train left at 6:10pm. He
quickly outlined a plan that had a few time constraints, so I jumped
up and ditched my sibs without a 2nd thought. We walked over to a
place that has jazz from 12-2:30, and listened to the last 45 minutes
or so. I was trying to figure out what to drink, and thought, "Aha!
I'm in a bar, I'll drink a Cosmopolitan!" The bartender asked me if I
was sure, which made me hesitate, but I figured even if I got drunk
and passed out that Tushar would get me to the train station. So
that's how I lost my Cosmopolitan Virginity.

The drink was VERY strong and the music sounded better and better and
Tushar started looking better and better, and oh, well, it was VERY
strong.  So we listened to the music and talked about What To Do
Next. We decided to go visit Tushar's neighborhood, and I'm very glad
I did. The man knows how to pick a neighborhood. There's block after
block of interesting shops (including an old-fashioned hardware store)
with no duplication. Extremely unpretentious. (With the exception of
the new yuppie steak place whose name escapes me--that sticks out like
a sore thumb.) You name it, his neighborhood has it.

So since I was looped and having trouble walking, we stopped at a
coffee shop and had amazingly strong coffee and tea with a chocolate
mousse cake. So we sat there for a long time and drank and talked and
ate and drank and talked. It was a lot of fun, and the conversation
did not flag. So we walked down the street (I think we were heading
toward the El at that point), and we walked past one bar, and then we
got to another and Tushar insisted we needed to stop and sample some
Belgian beer. The beer list is truly impressive. They have--dammit, I
forgot the name. Uh... Gloog? A Swedish spiced wine that used to only
be made in Tushar's neighborhood. Yes, our sweet Tush lives in A
SWEDISH NEIGHBORHOOD!!!!! Who knew.

Anyway, drank some of that and admired the bar, which is lovely. Lots
of wood, jazz on the jukebox, and NO TV. I like the guy that owns the
bar.

And eventually we had to leave so I could catch my train, which I did,
and which was on time. As usual, the Kay Christmas Trip went
flawlessly.

I really like Tushar's neighborhood a lot. It's quite exceptional, as
city neighborhoods go. I don't want to own a house there, but I
suspect that if I lived in the same city, I'd be visiting often.

Ah, well. Next year in Chicago...

Karen

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Betty said:
> Employment is a wonderful thing.

>From your lips to God's ears.

> Sometimes you sound like an old fart now,
> T-Bone, and I worry about you.

You should worry more about me and less about him. Really. He bought a
new coat this year and looks Pretty Damned Snazzy (tm).

I did inspect the tush, btw, and it meets all my exacting standards. I
was impressed.

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
> was bald, and in possession of a FATASS, too.

Not fat, merely lush.

Karen

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Bethany K. Dumas said:
> Barbara and I were not especially close - at 13+ and
> not-quite-11, we would not have been.

I don't know what makes you say this. I was 11 and my brother was 15
when an event occurred that destroyed our relationship, but I found it
devastating. Up to that point, people thought we were twins, and we
spent a lot of time together. IOW, I don't think it's inevitable that
a 13 year old and an 11 year old aren't close. Actually, my nephews
are 12 and 15, and they are also peas in a pod. It just depends on the
people and the relationship. I don't think age has much to do with it.

Karen

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Karen Kay said:
> Anyway, drank some of that and admired the bar, which is lovely. Lots
> of wood, jazz on the jukebox, and NO TV. I like the guy that owns the
> bar.

And the ceiling--a pressed tin ceiling, painted dark green, with crown
moldings that also looked like pressed tin, but I don't know that
crown moldings come in pressed tin. Alyce would know.

And I'm not going to talk about why I was spending time gazing up at
the ceiling...

Damn, it's 1:30. Good night, sweet Wordslers. See you in a couple days.

Karen

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On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 05:56:36PM -0800, S Hess wrote:
= > This has been This American Life, dumb monologue number 143.
=
= I want proof that you are not Ira Glass. Without being perceived as a
= Stalker, would you trail him and take a snapshot and post it for all of us?
= I want to see him out and about in Chi Town.
=
= Sandra

You're weird.

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ha ha.  I laughed.

http://tinyurl.com/3vk1

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Karen Kay said:
>
>>Anyway, drank some of that and admired the bar, which is lovely. Lots
>>of wood, jazz on the jukebox, and NO TV. I like the guy that owns the
>>bar.
>>
>
> And the ceiling--a pressed tin ceiling, painted dark green, with crown
> moldings that also looked like pressed tin, but I don't know that
> crown moldings come in pressed tin. Alyce would know.
>
> And I'm not going to talk about why I was spending time gazing up at
> the ceiling...
>
> Damn, it's 1:30. Good night, sweet Wordslers. See you in a couple days.


        Jeez.  She's still drunk.  Nice work, Tushar.  Is this what
you do on all your dates?



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>>Damn, it's 1:30. Good night, sweet Wordslers. See you in a couple days.
>
>
>        Jeez.  She's still drunk.  Nice work, Tushar.  Is this what
>you do on all your dates?      --Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Hell, it's the only way he can get a date!


    --bonniev

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Bookrat wrote:
> Not to brag or anything, but my own personal best is 1,573,810 points.  I
> forgot to record the level,

My gosh! That is outstanding. How long did it take?

alyce

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bonniev said:
> >>Damn, it's 1:30. Good night, sweet Wordslers. See you in a couple days.
> >
> >
> >        Jeez.  She's still drunk.  Nice work, Tushar.  Is this what
> >you do on all your dates?      --Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
> Hell, it's the only way he can get a date!

That's mean and rude, Bonnie. And untrue. Don't project!

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
>         Jeez.  She's still drunk.  Nice work, Tushar.  Is this what
> you do on all your dates?

You're just jealous because I got to spend the whole afternoon with My
Tushar. I loved the waiter in the coffeeshop; I thanked him for being
part of my Chicago Experience.

I'm coming down with some sort of lung crud, which is not good. (I
don't think it's Tushar's fault; the hotel room was hot and I didn't
get much sleep last night.) I'm looking forward to packng my winter
coat again.

Karen

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steph said:
> but there's no way to download/backup what's in the phones.  You

This reminds me. Are there cell phones where you can do this? I think
it's barbaric to have to re-type in everything every time. And my
current phone is wors--there are TWO databases. One that has all the
numbers, and another one that has the voice info, but you have to
retype all the name/phone info and then associate it with the voice
info. I think this is silly and redundant, and not worth my time.

Karen

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Neal Traven said:
> I miss <weather>,

You can have my share. I have totally forgotten how to walk on ice.
(Though walking around Chicago was pleasant, and relatively warm.)

Karen

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We went to the Chicago Shakespeare Theater for the third time in a
row. Three years ago was "School for Scandal", last year was "Pacific
Overtures", which won six awards, and this year was another Sondheim,
"Sunday in the Park with George". At the end of the play, one of my
brothers turned to me (we were in a row of 7, and he was at the far
end) and gave me the 3-for-3 sign. It was an interesting experience,
because at the intermission, I was bitterly disappointed in the
play. But by the end, everything came together and it was all
wonderful. My older sister and I both cried (she more discreetly than
I).

As an exercise, it's an interesting play. I mean, who thought you
could do that with a painting??? We all liked "Pacific Overtures"
better, but it was fun seeing some of the same actors in different
roles.

I could google on this if I were at home, which is where I will be
late tonight--but I am wondering who Jules is supposed to be? We
couldn't figure this out.

Karen

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How to say  "Oh my god!  There's an axe in my head," in various
languages--

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Karen Kay wrote:
> but I am wondering who Jules is supposed to be? We
> couldn't figure this out.

Jules is "another painter," according to the cast desription.

alyce

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>>        Jeez.  She's still drunk.  Nice work, Tushar.  Is this what
>>you do on all your dates?      --Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>Hell, it's the only way he can get a date!

>    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:

 I don't know that
> crown moldings come in pressed tin. Alyce would know.

They do.

alyce

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On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 07:46:03AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= steph said:
= > but there's no way to download/backup what's in the phones.  You
=
= This reminds me. Are there cell phones where you can do this? I think

My "work" mobile is a Nokia 6210, and it can do this.  It came
with a cd rom with all the software I need to synch the phone
with Outlook, to manage the phone on the pc, or to just dump the
phone contents to a tab delimited text file.  It has an infrared
thingy that works with the infrared port on my laptop.  So, I do
have a backup of what's on the phone.  Now, getting that data in
to another phone would depend on the other phone.  My "private"
mobile is a Siemens M35, and it has a serial port connection, but
you have to pay for the software (and we had to pay for the
cable) and I didn't get it.  I don't have a way of backing up
that phone, and if I did I don't know that it would read in tab
delimited stuff or synch with Outlook, so I don't know if I could
go from one phone easily to another.

If I had a newer Palm Pilot, I'd have a version of PalmOS that
would synch with Outlook, and then I'd really be happy.

But anyway, both these phones are about two years old at this
point, so none of this is new tech, but it is euro tech.

If it's a feature you want, make sure you look for it for your
next phone.

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Today Doug picked up my mail from the p.o.--hadn't done that for a
week--and I have a lovely box of chocolates. It is postmarked
Strathmore, NH. No name. Did one of you send it? I thank you, if so, and
will you please step forward to identify yourself?

Fat alyce

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> My Christmas eve gift from my boss:  a walking, sparking NunZilla!

It will come as no surprise to anyone who knows me, but I have one of
those. And Doug does too.

Then, too, I now have a stuffed turkey (plush, not food) that dances and
sings "Turkey in the Straw." My sister cannot resist buying this type of
toy. I know have the clucking chicken, the turkey, and a gorilla that
plays the bongos and sings, "I don't wanna go to work."

alyce
alyce

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>As an exercise, it's an interesting play. I mean, who thought you
>could do that with a painting??? We all liked "Pacific Overtures"
>better, but it was fun seeing some of the same actors in different
>roles.

I like "Pacific Overtures" the best of any Sondheim, with the
possible exception of "Sweeney Todd" (which is kind of in a category
by itself). I've never been able to warm up to "Sunday in the Park."
Sondheim is not at his best writing about love except in a cynical
kind of way -- I think "Sorry/Grateful" is the best song ever written
about marriage, but it's not exactly hearts-and-flowers.

Janet

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>>>        Jeez.  She's still drunk.  Nice work, Tushar.  Is this what
>>> you do on all your dates?      --Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>
>>
>> Hell, it's the only way he can get a date!
>
>
>>    --bonniev
>
>
> We must be reading different lists. K*R*N's been throwing herself at
> Tushar since, I don't know, July?!


        LOL.  It *is* a strange dynamic.



--
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>  > We must be reading different lists. K*R*N's been throwing herself at
>  > Tushar since, I don't know, July?!
>
>         LOL.  It *is* a strange dynamic.

Why am I hanging out on a list where people can't tell the difference
between "flirting with" and "throwing oneself at"?

Janet

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On 28 Dec 2002 at 11:33, Janet Hardy wrote:

> Why am I hanging out on a list where people can't tell the difference
> between "flirting with" and "throwing oneself at"?

Because your mission in life is to educate.

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On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 05:56:36PM -0800, S Hess wrote:
> > This has been This American Life, dumb monologue number 143.
>
> I want proof that you are not Ira Glass. Without being perceived as
> a Stalker, would you trail him and take a snapshot and post it for
> all of us? I want to see him out and about in Chi Town.

Man, one "Israel" crack and you are accused for life ...

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On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 01:29:31PM -0500, Marie Ascher wrote:
> >From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> >feelin' good. I have been feeling it for a while
>
> Are you pregnant?

"It really isn't any of your business, Marie" -- K*R*N

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>On 28 Dec 2002 at 11:33, Janet Hardy wrote:
>
>>  Why am I hanging out on a list where people can't tell the difference
>>  between "flirting with" and "throwing oneself at"?
>
>Because your mission in life is to educate.

OK, then: flirting with someone is not throwing oneself at someone.

Jeeze, if I were to throw myself at everyone with whom I flirted, I'd
be too busy to be on this list or any other.

Janet

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On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 10:13:18PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> You should worry more about me and less about him. Really. He bought a
> new coat this year and looks Pretty Damned Snazzy (tm).

Thank you, K-R-N.

> I did inspect the tush, btw, and it meets all my exacting standards. I
> was impressed.

I feel truly cheap, I don't think words-l WHOREs are very
pleasant people ...

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Janet Hardy wrote:

>>  > We must be reading different lists. K*R*N's been throwing herself at
>>  > Tushar since, I don't know, July?!
>>
>>         LOL.  It *is* a strange dynamic.
>
>
> Why am I hanging out on a list where people can't tell the difference
> between "flirting with" and "throwing oneself at"?


        Janet, I mean this is a loving way, but jeez o' pete, get a
sense of humor already.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Janet:

>Why am I hanging out on a list where people can't tell the difference
>between "flirting with" and "throwing oneself at"?

Why am I hanging out on a list where people need a frikking
smiley to point out a joke?

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>Janet Hardy wrote:
>
>>>   > We must be reading different lists. K*R*N's been throwing herself at
>>>   > Tushar since, I don't know, July?!
>>>
>>>          LOL.  It *is* a strange dynamic.
>>
>>
>>  Why am I hanging out on a list where people can't tell the difference
>>  between "flirting with" and "throwing oneself at"?
>
>
>         Janet, I mean this is a loving way, but jeez o' pete, get a
>sense of humor already.

In the light of recent events, I have a hard time believing that
Bonnie's statement was intended humorously.

Janet

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> > I don't know that
> > crown moldings come in pressed tin. Alyce would know.
>
>They do.
>alyce

Isn't it all one piece -- the ceiling and the molding?


    --bonniev

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>>>  Why am I hanging out on a list where people can't tell the difference
>>>  between "flirting with" and "throwing oneself at"?
>>
>>Because your mission in life is to educate.
>
>OK, then: flirting with someone is not throwing oneself at someone.

LOL, at the idea that mem needs to be taught the meaning of flirting.

-rashmi

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>Why am I hanging out on a list where people need a frikking
>smiley to point out a joke?
>-rashmi

Amen, sister.


    --bonniev

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On Friday, December 27, 2002, at 04:53 , Alan Wild wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roy Jaques" <rjaques@ONETEL.NET.UK>
>> Frriday, December 27, 2002, at 03:41 , Alan Wild wrote:
>>> In my best estimation, it goes back to the reason we arm police.
>>
>> or not...
>
> It is entirely stupid to seek protection from a morally willing soul, and
> yet to keep from them the means by which they might deal with deadly
> force,
> which they are more than likely to encounter on your behalf.

When there are as many armed nutters roaming your country as the US has
arming the police would seem sensible. In Britain the number of persons
possessing any firearm as a proportion of the population is small when
compared to the US.

In Britain, the general opinion of anybody owning any firearm other than a
shotgun is that they are weird, a nutter or usually both.
>
>>> We need a
>>> soldier of the streets,
>>
>> Very bad idea.
>
> Police are a good idea, short of them being used to collect taxes, ie.
> speeding tickets.

Police, as you say, are a good idea. Your concept of them being a "soldier
of the streets" is absurd. If you get a speeding ticket you are fined for
the offence not taxed regardless of what you think.

>>> Most pilots have a military background and are trained in small arms.
>>
>> Wrong again, only in your part of the world.
>
> Cite!

I would ask you to do the same.

Try the following.

Number of Airline Pilots in UK approx 7000

Figure taken from www.balpa.org.uk which gives the number of members of
the Airline pilots union. This is not a "closed shop" so there would be an
additional number who are not members of the union. The additional
non-union number would make up for the number of Flight Engineers included
in the BALPA number. This is marginal as airlines
have been eliminating Engineers from the flight deck for at least 15 years.

No figure is available for the number of pilots joining/leaving the Armed
Forces each year. A figure can be found for aircrew in training with the
RAF. This is 161 and includes Navigators and other functions. Again
another assumption is made that the number of pilots in the Navy and Army
would make up for those aircrew who are not pilots.

So the number of Military Pilots each year is 161.

Minimum length of service as Pilot 12 years. (Found on RAF careers website)

If 7000 Pilots are needed as Airline pilots and the Armed Forces produce
161 it takes
43 years to produce the needed pilots. This assumes all pilots leave to
work as pilots in civilian life and are based in the UK.

The retirement age in the UK is 65 (if all pilots are medically fit to fly
at 65 which is unlikely).

65-43=22

So the pilots have to start working as an Airline pilot at 22.

However they cannot join the Military as a pilot until the age of 18 and
have to serve 12 years. There is a eight year shortfall and 18% cannot be
ex-forces pilots.

Now if this were the complete number of pilots your statement would have
been true. I assume you meant greater the 50% to mean "most".

Looking at the Civil Aviation Authority website it's possible to find the
number of
Professional pilots (15290) and Private pilots (35127) with licences on 31/
3/1999.

Would you like to do the calculation on those numbers ? I don't think you
will get anywhere near 50 per cent working with 50417 pilots instead of
7000.

>
> Or better yet, let's dispense with this potentially emotional issue.
> Suffice to say there are two types of people: those who seek to carve
> their
> own destiny and take upon themselves the risks and benefits of self
> protection, granting that right to responsible others... and then there
> are
> those that don't.
>
Carving your own destiny does not require any form of firearm.

Roy

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>>Janet Hardy wrote:
>>
>>>>   > We must be reading different lists. K*R*N's been throwing herself
>>>>at
>>>>   > Tushar since, I don't know, July?!
>>>>
>>>>          LOL.  It *is* a strange dynamic.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Why am I hanging out on a list where people can't tell the difference
>>>  between "flirting with" and "throwing oneself at"?
>>
>>
>>         Janet, I mean this is a loving way, but jeez o' pete, get a
>>sense of humor already.
>
>In the light of recent events, I have a hard time believing that
>Bonnie's statement was intended humorously.

Oops, I made the "throwing oneself at" lame/funy comment.
Didn't think it could be interpreted any other way.

It's ok, Janet, I don't  think Karen or Tushar will be offended.

-rashmi

-rashmi

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Anyone else watching the big game?

I bet that traitor Marie's rooting for the Giants ...

-rashmi




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bonniev wrote:
>
>
> Isn't it all one piece -- the ceiling and the molding?

Not having seen Karen's example, I cannot say for sure. Certainly there
is pressed tin that has no moldings attached or intrinsic to it. But I
suppose there could be some as you say.

alyce

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Tushar Report, or How I Lost My Virginity
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Janet Hardy wrote:

>> Janet Hardy wrote:
>>
>>>>   > We must be reading different lists. K*R*N's been throwing
>>>> herself at
>>>>   > Tushar since, I don't know, July?!
>>>>
>>>>          LOL.  It *is* a strange dynamic.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Why am I hanging out on a list where people can't tell the difference
>>>  between "flirting with" and "throwing oneself at"?
>>
>>
>>
>>         Janet, I mean this is a loving way, but jeez o' pete, get a
>> sense of humor already.
>
>
> In the light of recent events, I have a hard time believing that
> Bonnie's statement was intended humorously.


        Do Rashmi and I look like Bonnie?  Just because she was
ignorant to you doesn't mean we're that way. Stop being ugly.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>Oops, I made the "throwing oneself at" lame/funy comment.
>Didn't think it could be interpreted any other way.

Whoops -- you're absolutely right. My sincere apologies. I'd never
have interpreted that statement from you as anything but a joke.

Janet

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At 08:44 PM 12/28/2002 +0000, roy wrote:

>Carving your own destiny does not require any form of firearm.

It might, if you are terribly insecure.

cwv

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At 08:57 PM 12/28/2002 +0000, rashmi wrote:
>Anyone else watching the big game?
>
>I bet that traitor Marie's rooting for the Giants ...

We got back from the wedding/reception in time for the 4th quarter.  With
the missed FG, it's OT.  I think I'll pass on which team I'm rooting
for---wouldn't want Janet to take offense.

cwv

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>At 08:57 PM 12/28/2002 +0000, rashmi wrote:
>>Anyone else watching the big game?
>>
>>I bet that traitor Marie's rooting for the Giants ...
>
>We got back from the wedding/reception in time for the 4th quarter.  With
>the missed FG, it's OT.  I think I'll pass on which team I'm rooting
>for---wouldn't want Janet to take offense.

I rarely know which sport is being discussed when people talk about
games or teams. I'm currently propitiating the fellows downstairs at
the Sawmill (whose freight elevator I occasionally have to use) by
giving them my sports page every morning.

Janet

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First of all, I am relieved to know that my "head rub" virtue
is intacta ... Secondly, I am relieved that John Belushi and
Dan Aykroyd still represent Chicago to the world--since it's
the most accurate representation. And thirdly, I am relieved
I don't have a splitting headache.

On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 10:06:44PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> we started talking about what to do till my train left at 6:10pm. He
> quickly outlined a plan that had a few time constraints, so I jumped
> up and ditched my sibs without a 2nd thought.

I could feel the love ...

> The drink was VERY strong and the music sounded better and better and
> Tushar started looking better and better, and oh, well, it was VERY
> strong.

It's a city of drunk asses. Do we not deserve to look good
once in a while?

> I did. The man knows how to pick a neighborhood. There's block after
> block of interesting shops (including an old-fashioned hardware store)

Alyce, take note ...

> So since I was looped and having trouble walking, we stopped at a
> coffee shop and had amazingly strong coffee and tea with a chocolate
> mousse cake. So we sat there for a long time and drank and talked and
> ate and drank and talked. It was a lot of fun, and the conversation
> did not flag.

One of the top 10 reasons for getting "looped" ...

> toward the El at that point), and we walked past one bar, and then we
> got to another and Tushar insisted we needed to stop and sample some
> Belgian beer. The beer list is truly impressive. They have--dammit, I

"Ken Miller", take note ...

> forgot the name. Uh... Gloog? A Swedish spiced wine that used to only

It's GLÖGG, OK?

> be made in Tushar's neighborhood. Yes, our sweet Tush lives in A
> SWEDISH NEIGHBORHOOD!!!!! Who knew.

It does not make me a bad person. I have always made it clear
that I am totally against the Swedish agenda.

> Anyway, drank some of that and admired the bar, which is lovely. Lots
> of wood, jazz on the jukebox, and NO TV. I like the guy that owns the
> bar.

Look it up on the web--there are people who say the bartenders
are "rude". Who are these people? I guess those who want Miller
"High Life" and onion rings ...

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On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 08:26:40AM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
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> Jeez.  She's still drunk.  Nice work, Tushar.  Is this what
> you do on all your dates?

Don't hate the game

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On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 12:02:34PM -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
> >> Why am I hanging out on a list where people can't tell the difference
> >> between "flirting with" and "throwing oneself at"?
> >
> >Because your mission in life is to educate.
>
> OK, then: flirting with someone is not throwing oneself at someone.
>
> Jeeze, if I were to throw myself at everyone with whom I flirted, I'd
> be too busy to be on this list or any other.

My consciousnes just busted out the top of my skull ...

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> Why am I hanging out on a list where people can't tell the difference
> between "flirting with" and "throwing oneself at"?

Because you're "between opportunities."

-aht

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Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:54:23 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 08:26:40AM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Jeez.  She's still drunk.  Nice work, Tushar.  Is this what
>>you do on all your dates?
>>
>
> Don't hate the game


        But I'm a world-renowned hater.




--
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rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Tushar Report, or How I Lost My Virginity
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
>
>>        Jeez.  She's still drunk.  Nice work, Tushar.  Is this what
>>you do on all your dates?
>>
>
> You're just jealous because I got to spend the whole afternoon with My
> Tushar. I loved the waiter in the coffeeshop; I thanked him for being
> part of my Chicago Experience.


        I long for the opportunity to throw myself at a Chicago
coffeeshop waiter.


> I'm coming down with some sort of lung crud, which is not good. (I
> don't think it's Tushar's fault; the hotel room was hot and I didn't
> get much sleep last night.) I'm looking forward to packng my winter
> coat again.
>


        TMI.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 03:57:03PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >Rita Chapman said:
> >
> >>       Jeez.  She's still drunk.  Nice work, Tushar.  Is this what
> >>you do on all your dates?
> >>
> >
> >You're just jealous because I got to spend the whole afternoon with My
> >Tushar. I loved the waiter in the coffeeshop; I thanked him for being
> >part of my Chicago Experience.
>
>
>        I long for the opportunity to throw myself at a Chicago
> coffeeshop waiter.

Ha ha, he said "You're welcome--and if you didn't like
it ... welcome to Boston".

I can see Rita Chapman storming out ...

I was in this shop 5 years ago when I decided to move.

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On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 03:54:23PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 08:26:40AM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >>Jeez.  She's still drunk.  Nice work, Tushar.  Is this what
> >>you do on all your dates?
> >>
> >
> >Don't hate the game
>
>
>        But I'm a world-renowned hater.

Aha ... my player senses tell me you like to drink

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>  > Why am I hanging out on a list where people can't tell the difference
>>  between "flirting with" and "throwing oneself at"?
>
>Because you're "between opportunities."

Opportunities for *what*? Something I can get *here*?

Janet

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Janet Hardy wrote:

>>  > Why am I hanging out on a list where people can't tell the difference
>>
>>>  between "flirting with" and "throwing oneself at"?
>>
>>
>> Because you're "between opportunities."
>
>
> Opportunities for *what*? Something I can get *here*?


        Jeez o' pete... whaddya think the fest tradition was started for?




--
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 03:54:23PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 08:26:40AM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jeez.  She's still drunk.  Nice work, Tushar.  Is this what
>>>>you do on all your dates?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Don't hate the game
>>>
>>
>>       But I'm a world-renowned hater.
>>
>
> Aha ... my player senses tell me you like to drink


        Ha!  You won't entice me into your Swedish (in the
non-political sense) lair so easily, LushBoy.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:00:15 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 03:57:03PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>>Rita Chapman said:
>>>
>>>
>>>>      Jeez.  She's still drunk.  Nice work, Tushar.  Is this what
>>>>you do on all your dates?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>You're just jealous because I got to spend the whole afternoon with My
>>>Tushar. I loved the waiter in the coffeeshop; I thanked him for being
>>>part of my Chicago Experience.
>>>
>>
>>       I long for the opportunity to throw myself at a Chicago
>>coffeeshop waiter.
>>
>
> Ha ha, he said "You're welcome--and if you didn't like
> it ... welcome to Boston".
>
> I can see Rita Chapman storming out ...
>
> I was in this shop 5 years ago when I decided to move.


        Give it up.  She's a Texan now.  You've lost her forever.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 03:34 PM 12/28/2002 -0600, tushar wrote:
>First of all, I am relieved to know that my "head rub" virtue
>is intacta ... Secondly, I am relieved that John Belushi and
>Dan Aykroyd still represent Chicago to the world--since it's
>the most accurate representation.

As a long-since-departed Chicagoan, this is good news.

>It's GLÖGG, OK?

Nothing to do with Chicago per se, but close friends of my family, RAy and
Lorraine (both familys did move to NW Wisconsin from the Chicago area) used
to make this over the Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays.  On Thanksgiving
Day, dad and I used to go hunting with Ray, then all would gather at their
home for dinner, which began with super-great martinis (Ray liked
anchovy-stuffed olives), went through the usual turkey et al. dinner, and
finished with coffee and glogg (sorry, I'm umlaut impaired).  After a day
in the bracing outdoors, the combination beat any damned sleeping potion
you could dream up.

cwv

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At 03:34 PM 12/28/2002 -0600, tushar wrote:


>Don't hate the game


...Love the gamer...

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         That you couldn't ignore those two checks so cavalierly.  You
> have to ignore them.

Ah.  I see.  I should have said to ignore their absense so cavalierly.
I understand now that they (why am I saying they?  just one is involved)
-- that it will be snatched back.  But you sounded so cavalier in saying
"just ignore it" -- as if it's no big deal to discover that your whole
monthly income has to be subtracted from the checkbook.

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A person we know, who has been a chambermaid at the Hearthside Inn for a
couple of years, today married a well-established lobsterman of Bar
Harbor.  It was the second marriage for both.  The wedding took place at
the Hearthside Inn, attended by maybe 20 people outside of the principals;
the reception took place at the Masonic lodge, about three doors up High
Street from the inn.   The wedding was presided over by the wife of the
former harbormaster here; she works in the city/county clerks office, is a
notary, and in other parts of the country might be roughly equivalent to a
JP.  Then again, maybe not; anyhow, she is duly
licensed/appointed/recognized to perfom marriages.

A lot of general conversation and catching up on what's happened since the
end of the season preceded the ceremony.  The ceremony was
brief.  Afterwards, we congratulated the bride and groom.  The former
harbormaster went off to the reception, found the bartender there, and
convinced him, despite the orders that no liquor service was to begin
before 2 P.M., to provide him with a whiskey and water and a white wine to
bring back to the happy couple.

The reception was something else again.  The groom, being a lifelong
lobsterman, invited all of his cohorts and competitors that he could think
of.  We knew (or recognized) perhaps 5% of the throng.  They had arranged
for a band, which I think played some sort of quasi-country music; after
one set, the band seemed to give up, being overwhelmed by (1) the general
disinterest in what they were doing and (2) the overwhelming hubbub of the
guests, most of whom were talking about almost anything else but the bride
and groom.

The bar was red wine, white wine, Canadian whiskey, and vodka, with many
mixes.  There was a keg next to the bar, attended by several men who
professed a knowledge of how to make a keg work; as usual, none of them
really did.  The bartender's notion of a mixed drink (e.g., a Canadian on
ice with a little water) was a triple Canadian over ice with the smallest
splash of water known to man.  This was in mid afternoon.

A couple of times I wandered outside to get some fresh air and to avoid the
heat and noise of so many celebrants.  To stand in the cool afternoon and
listen to lobstermen (out there to have a quick cigarette) was to
experience an almost totally foreign language.  Virtually all of the
conversation was about boats---who was selling, who was buying, who was
building a new one (that is, having one built), who the good (and
worthless) boat builders were.  That much I could catch; the remainder
(about 70% worth) was about hull designs, interior construction, and
engines and their performances---most of which, to me, was equivalent to
Old HIgh Martian.  The interesting thing was that I didn't really feel left
out; I was listening in on a community of people, comfortable and very
articulate in their own jargon---that I couldn't comprehend much of what
they were saying was not their problem, but rather, mine.

We left before the major "feed" began.  Too many people, too much heat, too
much noise.  Beyond that, it was a good time and a relative outsider's
chance to see a major portion of this island's and area's people as they
congregated to celebrate whatever in the bleak midwinter.

cwv

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alyce cresap quoted:

> My husband scored 1,467,000 on Bookworm.....does become addictive!

What is the name of that category?

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Bookrat wrote:

> Not to brag or anything, but my own personal best is 1,573,810 points.  I
> forgot to record the level, but my rank is Lexographer 1st Class.

Thanks for the category name.  Does anybody know whether the game ever
ends?  Like if you left your computer on all the time and left The Game
running, would there ever be an end?

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At 08:44 PM 12/28/2002 +0000, roy wrote:

>Carving your own destiny does not require any form of firearm.

Consider if you will, Roy, such luminaries as Alvin Karpis, John Dillinger,
Al Capone, Charles Luciano, Clyde Barrow, Harvey Lee Oswald, Jack Ruby,
Charles Whitman---and these are just some of the recent additions to the
list of the James's, Earps, Daltons, John Wesley Hardin, William H. Bonney,
and the other sociopaths studding our history.

cwv

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> Natalie, you must have been thinking towns; I was thinking universities. I
> guess you meant Chapel Hill. I would never abbreviate it CH, though.

No, I was talking universities.  I hear it called "Chapel Hill" most
often, including by its graduates, because it's too much of a mouthful
to have to say UNCCH.  I don't think it's likely to change its official
name, as Auburn did, but it's the same general idea -- emphasis on
general -- the UNCCH thing is that there are a bunch of UNC campuses,
unlike Auburn's thing, which was simply that it's official name was too
much of a mouthful and the common label, the town, was finally made its
official name.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> I remember when I was a kid that we could call one of our phones
> from the other by dialing "11911."  It would be nice to have that
> now in case one of us went outside with one of the phones.

Yes!  A trip down memory lane.  I remember my mother's laughter when I
would sometimes do that from my bedroom and she'd answer the kitchen
phone and I'd say, "I'll have bacon, eggs, grits, toast, and jelly."
(We didn't have phones in every room.  We had the wall phone in the
kitchen, and the other phone traveled among the three bedrooms, each of
which had a jack for it -- the old-fashioned kind of jack -- not like
today's phone jacks.  Where the bedroom phone happened to be at a given
time was always a guess.)

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        God, you'll always be a tourist, Clyde.

        I wonder if I can perform marriages.  I don't think so.

clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> A person we know, who has been a chambermaid at the Hearthside Inn for a
> couple of years, today married a well-established lobsterman of Bar
> Harbor.  It was the second marriage for both.  The wedding took place at
> the Hearthside Inn, attended by maybe 20 people outside of the principals;
> the reception took place at the Masonic lodge, about three doors up High
> Street from the inn.   The wedding was presided over by the wife of the
> former harbormaster here; she works in the city/county clerks office, is a
> notary, and in other parts of the country might be roughly equivalent to a
> JP.  Then again, maybe not; anyhow, she is duly
> licensed/appointed/recognized to perfom marriages.
>
> A lot of general conversation and catching up on what's happened since the
> end of the season preceded the ceremony.  The ceremony was
> brief.  Afterwards, we congratulated the bride and groom.  The former
> harbormaster went off to the reception, found the bartender there, and
> convinced him, despite the orders that no liquor service was to begin
> before 2 P.M., to provide him with a whiskey and water and a white wine to
> bring back to the happy couple.
>
> The reception was something else again.  The groom, being a lifelong
> lobsterman, invited all of his cohorts and competitors that he could think
> of.  We knew (or recognized) perhaps 5% of the throng.  They had arranged
> for a band, which I think played some sort of quasi-country music; after
> one set, the band seemed to give up, being overwhelmed by (1) the general
> disinterest in what they were doing and (2) the overwhelming hubbub of the
> guests, most of whom were talking about almost anything else but the bride
> and groom.
>
> The bar was red wine, white wine, Canadian whiskey, and vodka, with many
> mixes.  There was a keg next to the bar, attended by several men who
> professed a knowledge of how to make a keg work; as usual, none of them
> really did.  The bartender's notion of a mixed drink (e.g., a Canadian on
> ice with a little water) was a triple Canadian over ice with the smallest
> splash of water known to man.  This was in mid afternoon.
>
> A couple of times I wandered outside to get some fresh air and to avoid the
> heat and noise of so many celebrants.  To stand in the cool afternoon and
> listen to lobstermen (out there to have a quick cigarette) was to
> experience an almost totally foreign language.  Virtually all of the
> conversation was about boats---who was selling, who was buying, who was
> building a new one (that is, having one built), who the good (and
> worthless) boat builders were.  That much I could catch; the remainder
> (about 70% worth) was about hull designs, interior construction, and
> engines and their performances---most of which, to me, was equivalent to
> Old HIgh Martian.  The interesting thing was that I didn't really feel left
> out; I was listening in on a community of people, comfortable and very
> articulate in their own jargon---that I couldn't comprehend much of what
> they were saying was not their problem, but rather, mine.
>
> We left before the major "feed" began.  Too many people, too much heat, too
> much noise.  Beyond that, it was a good time and a relative outsider's
> chance to see a major portion of this island's and area's people as they
> congregated to celebrate whatever in the bleak midwinter.
>
> cwv
>


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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        That you couldn't ignore those two checks so cavalierly.  You
>>have to ignore them.
>>
>
> Ah.  I see.  I should have said to ignore their absense so cavalierly.
> I understand now that they (why am I saying they?  just one is involved)
> -- that it will be snatched back.  But you sounded so cavalier in saying
> "just ignore it" -- as if it's no big deal to discover that your whole
> monthly income has to be subtracted from the checkbook.


        Well, no offense, but your mother *doesn't* know that.  And
why isn't the Rich One helping out?  A social security check
would be chump change for him.





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At 06:39 PM 12/28/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>        God, you'll always be a tourist, Clyde.

If you mean by "tourist" that I always will be an interested observer of
the passing scene, yes.

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clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> At 06:39 PM 12/28/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>        God, you'll always be a tourist, Clyde.
>
>
> If you mean by "tourist" that I always will be an interested observer of
> the passing scene, yes.
>

        No, that's not what I mean by "tourist."



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S Hess wrote:

> I'm so sorry to hear this, Natalie. You were so good to her :)

Thanks.  Or I guess thanks.  I'm not sure about the smiley at the end.

Everything was beautiful.  A surprsingly large number of people
(considering that my mother had left Jackson ten years ago) came to the
visitation yesterday, and the service today was simple but beautiful.
Even the weather cooperated:  slightly cold but very sunny.

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Roy Jaques wrote:

> In Britain, the general opinion of anybody owning any firearm other than a
> shotgun is that they are weird, a nutter or usually both.

What's the difference between being weird and being a nutter?  And why
are shotguns exempt?  Hunting?  I'm not so sure that attitudes are all
that different here, except that I'd add to your weird/nutter category
two more:  (1) gun collectors, who I would say are likely <safe> --
i.e., they're people who for some reason like collecting guns like other
people collect dolls or beer mugs or whatever, and (2) criminals or
potential criminals, who are perhaps in the weird/nutter category,
though I'm not sure.

[didn't read the rest of your posting -- am very, very tired tonight and
just somehow couldn't get into gun readings]

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > I'm coming down with some sort of lung crud, which is not good. (I
> > don't think it's Tushar's fault; the hotel room was hot and I didn't
> > get much sleep last night.) I'm looking forward to packng my winter
> > coat again.
>
>         TMI.

Two observations:  (1) wasn't it Karen who was saying not long ago that
smokers are the sickly ones? (2) hot hotel rooms (and stores and various
other public or semi-public places) have struck me as the norm in
YankeeLand.  Drives me crazy when I'm there in winter.  I gag at the
overheating.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> At 08:44 PM 12/28/2002 +0000, roy wrote:
>
> >Carving your own destiny does not require any form of firearm.
>
> Consider if you will, Roy, such luminaries as Alvin Karpis, John Dillinger,
> Al Capone, Charles Luciano, Clyde Barrow, Harvey Lee Oswald, Jack Ruby,
> Charles Whitman---and these are just some of the recent additions to the
> list of the James's, Earps, Daltons, John Wesley Hardin, William H. Bonney,
> and the other sociopaths studding our history.

I didn't read all of Roy's earlier posting and thus may be out-of-sycnh
here, but I'm wondering how Roy will be able to consider the people on
the list you gave.  Why would he have heard of them?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>I'm coming down with some sort of lung crud, which is not good. (I
>>>don't think it's Tushar's fault; the hotel room was hot and I didn't
>>>get much sleep last night.) I'm looking forward to packng my winter
>>>coat again.
>>>
>>        TMI.
>>
>
> Two observations:  (1) wasn't it Karen who was saying not long ago that
> smokers are the sickly ones?


        I'm not getting in between you and Karen.  You two will just
have to work it out between yourselves (as my mother used to
say).

(2) hot hotel rooms (and stores and various
> other public or semi-public places) have struck me as the norm in
> YankeeLand.  Drives me crazy when I'm there in winter.  I gag at the
> overheating.


        I love overheating.  It makes me feel rich.  I'm not sure it
has anything to do with whether or not one gets sick, though.

        I don't normally overheat my house, but it feels nice and
toasty tonight because I had the oven all day making goodies
for church tomorrow.  And I made an interesting (and very
easy) new Italian stew recipe for supper that came out quite
yummy.




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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Roy Jaques wrote:
>
>
>>In Britain, the general opinion of anybody owning any firearm other than a
>>shotgun is that they are weird, a nutter or usually both.
>>
>
> What's the difference between being weird and being a nutter?  And why
> are shotguns exempt?  Hunting?  I'm not so sure that attitudes are all
> that different here, except that I'd add to your weird/nutter category
> two more:  (1) gun collectors, who I would say are likely <safe> --
> i.e., they're people who for some reason like collecting guns like other
> people collect dolls or beer mugs or whatever, and (2) criminals or
> potential criminals, who are perhaps in the weird/nutter category,
> though I'm not sure.
>


        All of the gun collectors I know are slightly <off>, to be
honest.




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Rita Chapman wrote:
> >>        That you couldn't ignore those two checks so cavalierly.  You
> >>have to ignore them.
> >>
> > Ah.  I see.  I should have said to ignore their absense so cavalierly.
> > I understand now that they (why am I saying they?  just one is involved)
> > -- that it will be snatched back.  But you sounded so cavalier in saying
> > "just ignore it" -- as if it's no big deal to discover that your whole
> > monthly income has to be subtracted from the checkbook.
>
>         Well, no offense, but your mother *doesn't* know that.

Sorry, but you've lost me here.  My mother hasn't handled her own
finances in several years.  She knows no less about it now than she did
a year ago.

> And
> why isn't the Rich One helping out?

Don't forget the second R in RR -- rich Republican.   Read: selfish and
uncaring.  But there is not a problem.  No "installments" are necessary
(to refer to an earlier comment that didn't really seem relevant to me,
given what I'd said, so I didn't reply).  I have the financial resources
to pay the bill.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> (2) hot hotel rooms (and stores and various
> > other public or semi-public places) have struck me as the norm in
> > YankeeLand.  Drives me crazy when I'm there in winter.  I gag at the
> > overheating.
>
>         I love overheating.  It makes me feel rich.  I'm not sure it
> has anything to do with whether or not one gets sick, though.

Note that I didn't suggest that it had to do with getting sick.  Karen
made that suggestion.  I just don't like the way it feels.  It strikes
me as weird to be inside places that are hotter in winter than they
would be in summer.  Not just weird but also a bit nauseating -- though
I don't mean that literally in the sense of vomiting.  Iow, I am not
associating overheated Yankee buildings with illness -- just with
unpleasantness.
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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> Don't forget the second R in RR -- rich Republican.   Read: selfish and
> uncaring.  But there is not a problem.  No "installments" are necessary
> (to refer to an earlier comment that didn't really seem relevant to me,
> given what I'd said, so I didn't reply).  I have the financial resources
> to pay the bill.


        Well, I figured you do.  You asked what other people in
similar circumstances might do, and I told you -- something
cheaper or take a loan of some sort.  Is the Uber Republican
going to have his servants take care of selling your
mother's burned-out shell of a house or do you have to deal
with that, too?



--
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> S Hess wrote:
>
>
>>I'm so sorry to hear this, Natalie. You were so good to her :)
>>
>
> Thanks.  Or I guess thanks.  I'm not sure about the smiley at the end.
>
> Everything was beautiful.  A surprsingly large number of people
> (considering that my mother had left Jackson ten years ago) came to the
> visitation yesterday, and the service today was simple but beautiful.
> Even the weather cooperated:  slightly cold but very sunny.


        Did she move to Huntsville to be close to your brother?

        I'm glad the service was nice.  I think it makes a big
difference if the minister knows the deceased.




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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>(2) hot hotel rooms (and stores and various
>>
>>>other public or semi-public places) have struck me as the norm in
>>>YankeeLand.  Drives me crazy when I'm there in winter.  I gag at the
>>>overheating.
>>>
>>        I love overheating.  It makes me feel rich.  I'm not sure it
>>has anything to do with whether or not one gets sick, though.
>>
>
> Note that I didn't suggest that it had to do with getting sick.  Karen
> made that suggestion.  I just don't like the way it feels.  It strikes
> me as weird to be inside places that are hotter in winter than they
> would be in summer.


        Yes!  That weirdness is what makes it feel rich and luxurious.


Not just weird but also a bit nauseating -- though
> I don't mean that literally in the sense of vomiting.  Iow, I am not
> associating overheated Yankee buildings with illness -- just with
> unpleasantness.


        Well, I can't take it for long.  I do start to feel a little
nauseated and dopey.




--
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Rita Chapman wrote:
>  Is the Uber Republican
> going to have his servants take care of selling your
> mother's burned-out shell of a house or do you have to deal
> with that, too?

There's been a contract on it for ages.  The closing is in February.
It's not a burned-out shell, btw.  Major repairs were done.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Did she move to Huntsville to be close to your brother?

Yes.  My parents decided in the early '90s that they needed to live
closer to one or the other of us.  We all thought Huntsville would be
better than Starkville because of more activities for senior citizens,
better medical care, etc.  That was a mistake, though.  My father had
alzheimers when they moved, which meant not much chance to take
advantage of "activities," and my mother spent full-time taking care of
him.  After he died, she started sinking.  She did have a couple of
Sunday School friends and one great neighbor who visited her after she
became pretty much housebound, but it was still a sad situation.  The
hired help after she had to have around-the-clock care told me that they
saw me far more often than they saw my RRB&SIL.  I went once a month.
My RRB&SIL saw her than that.

>         I'm glad the service was nice.  I think it makes a big
> difference if the minister knows the deceased.

Yes.  I was very, very happy with the way that turned out.  Bishop Lee
was great and said perfect things, making clear that he really did
remember her pretty well.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> Is the Uber Republican
>>going to have his servants take care of selling your
>>mother's burned-out shell of a house or do you have to deal
>>with that, too?
>>
>
> There's been a contract on it for ages.  The closing is in February.
> It's not a burned-out shell, btw.  Major repairs were done.
>

        Oh, I thought since nobody bothered to repair it when she had
to live in the house that maybe it was being equally
neglected after you moved her to the nursing home.




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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Did she move to Huntsville to be close to your brother?
>>
>
> Yes.  My parents decided in the early '90s that they needed to live
> closer to one or the other of us.  We all thought Huntsville would be
> better than Starkville because of more activities for senior citizens,
> better medical care, etc.  That was a mistake, though.  My father had
> alzheimers when they moved, which meant not much chance to take
> advantage of "activities," and my mother spent full-time taking care of
> him.  After he died, she started sinking.  She did have a couple of
> Sunday School friends and one great neighbor who visited her after she
> became pretty much housebound, but it was still a sad situation.  The
> hired help after she had to have around-the-clock care told me that they
> saw me far more often than they saw my RRB&SIL.  I went once a month.
> My RRB&SIL saw her than that.



        FWIW, we had something similar with my MIL when she was
alive.  When it became clear that she couldn't live on her
own in Youngstown anymore (she was too unsteady on her feet
to walk anywhere by herself), she decided to move out to
Virginia to be near my (not rich) SIL, who set her up in
some Section 8 housing that my MIL hated.  My MIL said in
the year or so she lived out there, my SIL visited her
twice.  We then moved her out here to live in the senior
housing at the end of our subdivision.  She saw one of us
nearly every day.  I still sometimes catch myself setting
aside something good I'm baking for Kevin to bring up to her.


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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Oh, I thought since nobody bothered to repair it when she had
> to live in the house that maybe it was being equally
> neglected after you moved her to the nursing home.

The repairs occurred after she moved.  A little bit of cleaning etc. (as
in fire-damage cleaning) occurred before she moved, but most of it was
after.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 12/28/2002 6:18:20 PM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
.  Where the bedroom phone happened to be at a given
time was always a guess.)


>>

When my niece Marissa was a preteen, she would take my
sister's cordless into her room.  Sue would have us call her
so that she could find the phone (it didn't have a page button).

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>   My MIL said in
> the year or so she lived out there, my SIL visited her
> twice.

I find this kind of thing totally amazing.  I was amazed at my RRB&SIL's
lack of attention to my mother, but I'm even more amazed at situations
like that of my mother's roommate in the nursing home, a wonderful
person, though her wonderfulness isn't really the point.  Ann, my
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have a memory of talking about trains, planes, and busses between here
and Chicago.  My point is that I just don't get it.  (I took Ann some
beautiful flowers late this afternoon, and she loved them.  I first
stopped at the nurses' station and asked if there was any superstition
about funeral flowers.  They assured me that there wasn't and that Ann
would love them.  She did seem to.)

--
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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>  My MIL said in
>>the year or so she lived out there, my SIL visited her
>>twice.
>>
>
> I find this kind of thing totally amazing.  I was amazed at my RRB&SIL's
> lack of attention to my mother, but I'm even more amazed at situations
> like that of my mother's roommate in the nursing home, a wonderful
> person, though her wonderfulness isn't really the point.  Ann, my
> mother's roommate, has a son and grandchildren in Chicago who never
> visit at all.  I suddenly think I've told this story here before -- I
> have a memory of talking about trains, planes, and busses between here
> and Chicago.  My point is that I just don't get it.


        It isn't that unusual.  When I worked in the nursing home in
high school, lots of the residents never got visitors -- and
they'd lived in the area all their lives.  I always thought
maybe it was just something depressing about the nursing
home that people couldn't bring themselves to go (it was not
a very nice place -- the smell of urine nearly knocked you
over when you walked in the front door).  Of course, that's
not an excuse for not visiting your parents.   I remember
one woman who visited her mother who cried every time she
came.  The mother was completely comatose and her whole body
was stiff.  She ground her teeth all the time, and to feed
her you had to time the spoon going in between the grinds.


 (I took Ann some
> beautiful flowers late this afternoon, and she loved them.  I first
> stopped at the nurses' station and asked if there was any superstition
> about funeral flowers.  They assured me that there wasn't and that Ann
> would love them.  She did seem to.)


        Funeral directors often dropped flowers off inside the front
door after a (former) resident's funeral.  I don't remember
any superstitions about enjoying the flowers -- except that
I perhaps shouldn't have developed such a fondness for
gladiolas as they're definately a funeral flower.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 07:29 PM 12/28/2002 -0600, you wrote:

>        No, that's not what I mean by "tourist."
>
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

You poor, poor thing, bless your heart.

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What drug is "tea" the slang word for?   I'm reading _On The Road_.

    --bonniev

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clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> At 07:29 PM 12/28/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>        No, that's not what I mean by "tourist."
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> You poor, poor thing, bless your heart.


        Lame.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 06:28:35PM -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> At 03:34 PM 12/28/2002 -0600, tushar wrote:
> >First of all, I am relieved to know that my "head rub" virtue
> >is intacta ... Secondly, I am relieved that John Belushi and
> >Dan Aykroyd still represent Chicago to the world--since it's
> >the most accurate representation.
>
> As a long-since-departed Chicagoan, this is good news.

I was joking, "CLYDE"!

Though there are many with a stick up their @$$ who do act like it ...

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On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 10:30:48PM -0500, bonniev wrote:
= What drug is "tea" the slang word for?   I'm reading _On The Road_.
=

marijuana

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> On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 10:30:48PM -0500, bonniev wrote:
> = What drug is "tea" the slang word for?   I'm reading _On The Road_.
> =
>
> marijuana

That's my guess, too. As in tea leaves.

Sandra

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> We went to the Chicago Shakespeare Theater for the third time in a
> row. Three years ago was "School for Scandal", last year was "Pacific
> Overtures", which won six awards, and this year was another Sondheim,
> "Sunday in the Park with George". At the end of the play, one of my
> brothers turned to me (we were in a row of 7, and he was at the far
> end) and gave me the 3-for-3 sign. It was an interesting experience,
> because at the intermission, I was bitterly disappointed in the
> play. But by the end, everything came together and it was all
> wonderful. My older sister and I both cried (she more discreetly than
> I).
>
> As an exercise, it's an interesting play. I mean, who thought you
> could do that with a painting??? We all liked "Pacific Overtures"
> better, but it was fun seeing some of the same actors in different
> roles.
>
> I could google on this if I were at home, which is where I will be
> late tonight--but I am wondering who Jules is supposed to be? We
> couldn't figure this out.
>
> Karen

I went to the San Jose Rep Theatre's 2 GENTLEMEN OF VERONA today with a few
friends. It was set in the 1920's ....a riverfront midwest location (Verona)
and Hollywood (Padua?). I tend to be a purist when it comes to
Shakespeare....in the sense that I have rarely found modern adaptations to
work for me. Not that I understand the Elizabethan presentations very well,
but the modern ones rarely appeal to me. This performance was enjoyable...I
overheard the comments of others and they enjoyed it more than I did. It was
heavily edited from what I could tell.

Sandra

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > but I am wondering who Jules is supposed to be? We
> > couldn't figure this out.
>
> Jules is "another painter," according to the cast desription.

I know *that*; I was wondering if it was a particular painter.

I'm glad to see you posting, Alyce.

Karen

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bonniev said:
> > > I don't know that
> > > crown moldings come in pressed tin. Alyce would know.
> >
> >They do.
> >alyce
>
> Isn't it all one piece -- the ceiling and the molding?

No.

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
> Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> >>>        Jeez.  She's still drunk.  Nice work, Tushar.  Is this what
> >>> you do on all your dates?      --Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> >>
> >>
> >> Hell, it's the only way he can get a date!
> >
> >
> >>    --bonniev
> >
> >
> > We must be reading different lists. K*R*N's been throwing herself at
> > Tushar since, I don't know, July?!
>
>
>         LOL.  It *is* a strange dynamic.

Well, *I* like it...

Karen

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 10:13:18PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > You should worry more about me and less about him. Really. He bought a
> > new coat this year and looks Pretty Damned Snazzy (tm).
>
> Thank you, K-R-N.

You are welcome, Pookie Pie.

> > I did inspect the tush, btw, and it meets all my exacting standards. I
> > was impressed.
>
> I feel truly cheap, I don't think words-l WHOREs are very
> pleasant people ...

But I am extremely pleasant! Does this mean I have to give back my t-shirt?

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Rita Chapman said:
> >
> >>        Jeez.  She's still drunk.  Nice work, Tushar.  Is this what
> >>you do on all your dates?
> >>
> >
> > You're just jealous because I got to spend the whole afternoon with My
> > Tushar. I loved the waiter in the coffeeshop; I thanked him for being
> > part of my Chicago Experience.
>
>
>         I long for the opportunity to throw myself at a Chicago
> coffeeshop waiter.

Did Tushar tell you that the word "Boston" came out of the waiter's mouth?

> > I'm coming down with some sort of lung crud, which is not good. (I
> > don't think it's Tushar's fault; the hotel room was hot and I didn't
> > get much sleep last night.) I'm looking forward to packng my winter
> > coat again.
> >
>
>
>         TMI.

Sorry. <cough><sneeze>

Karen

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alyce cresap said:
> bonniev wrote:
> > Isn't it all one piece -- the ceiling and the molding?
>
> Not having seen Karen's example, I cannot say for sure. Certainly there
> is pressed tin that has no moldings attached or intrinsic to it. But I
> suppose there could be some as you say.

But it would be tacky. This was NOT tacky.

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 03:57:03PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >>Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >>>Rita Chapman said:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>      Jeez.  She's still drunk.  Nice work, Tushar.  Is this what
> >>>>you do on all your dates?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>You're just jealous because I got to spend the whole afternoon with My
> >>>Tushar. I loved the waiter in the coffeeshop; I thanked him for being
> >>>part of my Chicago Experience.
> >>>
> >>
> >>       I long for the opportunity to throw myself at a Chicago
> >>coffeeshop waiter.
> >>
> >
> > Ha ha, he said "You're welcome--and if you didn't like
> > it ... welcome to Boston".
> >
> > I can see Rita Chapman storming out ...
> >
> > I was in this shop 5 years ago when I decided to move.
>
>
>         Give it up.  She's a Texan now.  You've lost her forever.

I was VERY tempted, though, and I regaled Nameless all the way home
with tales of Tushar's neighborhood.

Karen

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On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 09:41:40PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> alyce cresap said:
> > bonniev wrote:
> > > Isn't it all one piece -- the ceiling and the molding?
> >
> > Not having seen Karen's example, I cannot say for sure. Certainly there
> > is pressed tin that has no moldings attached or intrinsic to it. But I
> > suppose there could be some as you say.
>
> But it would be tacky. This was NOT tacky.

I don't understand half the conversation here, but let me say
this--I have seen that kind of ceiling in many places around
here. So, think of the commonest kind of molded ceiling.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Two observations:  (1) wasn't it Karen who was saying not long ago that
> smokers are the sickly ones?

No, I said that statistically smokers hog the lions' share of health
care resources. I've never claimed that I have great lungs--in fact, I
have often public proclaimed the opposite.

> (2) hot hotel rooms (and stores and various
> other public or semi-public places) have struck me as the norm in
> YankeeLand.  Drives me crazy when I'm there in winter.  I gag at the
> overheating.

So do I.

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
>         I love overheating.  It makes me feel rich.  I'm not sure it
> has anything to do with whether or not one gets sick, though.

If there's no humidifying, it makes you get sick because you're all
dried out.

The first thing I did when I came home after feeding the cat was open
all the doors and windows and turn the ceiling fan on.

>         I don't normally overheat my house, but it feels nice and
> toasty tonight because I had the oven all day making goodies
> for church tomorrow.  And I made an interesting (and very
> easy) new Italian stew recipe for supper that came out quite
> yummy.

What makes it Italian stew?

Karen

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clyde w. voigtlander said:
> At 03:34 PM 12/28/2002 -0600, tushar wrote:
> >Don't hate the game
>
>
> ...Love the gamer...

I love My Tushar.

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
> I perhaps shouldn't have developed such a fondness for
> gladiolas as they're definately a funeral flower.

I somehow missed out on that knowledge, but my sister was adamant
about not getting gladiolas for my mother's funeral, and I was happy
to acquiesce. (I think she's on the flower committee or something like
that for church so she sees a lot of funeral flowers.)

Karen

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On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 03:34:02PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> First of all, I am relieved to know that my "head rub" virtue
> is intacta ...

Are you kidding??? I didn't want to get my hand all greasy.

> Secondly, I am relieved that John Belushi and
> Dan Aykroyd still represent Chicago to the world--since it's
> the most accurate representation.

To me, for sure. Can't speak for the world.

> And thirdly, I am relieved
> I don't have a splitting headache.

LOL.

> On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 10:06:44PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > we started talking about what to do till my train left at 6:10pm. He
> > quickly outlined a plan that had a few time constraints, so I jumped
> > up and ditched my sibs without a 2nd thought.
>
> I could feel the love ...

I do love them. And they love me. And I love you and you love me.

> > I did. The man knows how to pick a neighborhood. There's block after
> > block of interesting shops (including an old-fashioned hardware store)
>
> Alyce, take note ...

Yes, it was my Alyce Moment.

> > So we sat there for a long time and drank and talked and
> > ate and drank and talked. It was a lot of fun, and the conversation
> > did not flag.
>
> One of the top 10 reasons for getting "looped" ...

I was SOOOOO coherent.

> > toward the El at that point), and we walked past one bar, and then we
> > got to another and Tushar insisted we needed to stop and sample some
> > Belgian beer. The beer list is truly impressive. They have--dammit, I
>
> "Ken Miller", take note ...

Yes. Ken, you need to spend at least a week in Tushar's Bachelor Pad.

> > forgot the name. Uh... Gloog? A Swedish spiced wine that used to only
>
> It's GLÖGG, OK?

Thank you, Sweetie.

> > be made in Tushar's neighborhood. Yes, our sweet Tush lives in A
> > SWEDISH NEIGHBORHOOD!!!!! Who knew.
>
> It does not make me a bad person. I have always made it clear
> that I am totally against the Swedish agenda.

LOL. It's just a funny neighborhood for an Indian, I think.

> > Anyway, drank some of that and admired the bar, which is lovely. Lots
> > of wood, jazz on the jukebox, and NO TV. I like the guy that owns the
> > bar.
>
> Look it up on the web--there are people who say the bartenders
> are "rude". Who are these people? I guess those who want Miller
> "High Life" and onion rings ...

*That* bar? I can't remember the name.

All I remember is Simon's, which is the bar we're going to next year,
and Kwak.
--
Karen

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 09:41:40PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > alyce cresap said:
> > > bonniev wrote:
> > > > Isn't it all one piece -- the ceiling and the molding?
> > >
> > > Not having seen Karen's example, I cannot say for sure. Certainly there
> > > is pressed tin that has no moldings attached or intrinsic to it. But I
> > > suppose there could be some as you say.
> >
> > But it would be tacky. This was NOT tacky.
>
> I don't understand half the conversation here,

Drunk again, eh?:)

> but let me say
> this--I have seen that kind of ceiling in many places around
> here. So, think of the commonest kind of molded ceiling.

The crown molding isn't integral to the ceiling, though. It's attached
separately.

Karen

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 03:57:03PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> > >Rita Chapman said:
> > >
> > >>       Jeez.  She's still drunk.  Nice work, Tushar.  Is this what
> > >>you do on all your dates?
> > >>
> > >
> > >You're just jealous because I got to spend the whole afternoon with My
> > >Tushar. I loved the waiter in the coffeeshop; I thanked him for being
> > >part of my Chicago Experience.
> >
> >
> >        I long for the opportunity to throw myself at a Chicago
> > coffeeshop waiter.
>
> Ha ha, he said "You're welcome--and if you didn't like
> it ... welcome to Boston".

That's right--I couldn't remember what he said.

> I can see Rita Chapman storming out ...
>
> I was in this shop 5 years ago when I decided to move.

Me, too.

Karen

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Karen Kay said:
> Tushar Samant said:
> > On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 09:41:40PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > alyce cresap said:
> > > > bonniev wrote:
> > > > > Isn't it all one piece -- the ceiling and the molding?
> > > >
> > > > Not having seen Karen's example, I cannot say for sure. Certainly there
> > > > is pressed tin that has no moldings attached or intrinsic to it. But I
> > > > suppose there could be some as you say.
> > >
> > > But it would be tacky. This was NOT tacky.
> >
> > I don't understand half the conversation here,
>
> Drunk again, eh?:)
>
> > but let me say
> > this--I have seen that kind of ceiling in many places around
> > here. So, think of the commonest kind of molded ceiling.
>
> The crown molding isn't integral to the ceiling, though. It's attached
> separately.

Psssst... This is a good excuse to drop in for another Kwak.

Karen

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On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 09:44:10PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> I was VERY tempted, though, and I regaled Nameless all the way home
> with tales of Tushar's neighborhood.

REGALE? Normal people don't regale, K-R-N. Just what are you trying
to keep weird?

There is just one thing I didn't like about Kopi this time--picture
of a goddess on the bathroom mirror. It was with effort that I could...
go... huh huh. It isn't nice to use other people's religious icons as
wacky symbols of Girl Powrr or whatever. It is serious business for
a lot of people--for example, now that we are forced to have toilets
inside homes, we take special pains to put them as far away from the
gods as possible.

Basically, I think nobody realizes that icons this "wacky" might
actually be in daily operation in a living, non-tribal culture.

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=
= All I remember is Simon's, which is the bar we're going to next year,
= and Kwak.

The last time I was in Beligum with some wordslers, the guys at
the next table were drinking a big Kwak, in a big Kwak glass.
Now, 90% of drinking Kwak is the caché surrounding the glass, but
these were the first of this type I'd seen, and they were
marvelous.  I'll have a look later and see if there's a photo to
be scanned in.

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 09:44:10PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > I was VERY tempted, though, and I regaled Nameless all the way home
> > with tales of Tushar's neighborhood.
>
> REGALE? Normal people don't regale, K-R-N. Just what are you trying
> to keep weird?

I mean "I totally monopolized the conversation and didn't let the man
get a word in no matter how hard he tried". That's 'regale'.

> There is just one thing I didn't like about Kopi this time--picture
> of a goddess on the bathroom mirror.

You know, I didn't even see that.

> Basically, I think nobody realizes that icons this "wacky" might
> actually be in daily operation in a living, non-tribal culture.

I agree; I am frequently jarred by Stuff Like This.

Karen

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steph said:
> The last time I was in Beligum with some wordslers, the guys at
> the next table were drinking a big Kwak, in a big Kwak glass.
> Now, 90% of drinking Kwak is the caché surrounding the glass, but
> these were the first of this type I'd seen, and they were
> marvelous.  I'll have a look later and see if there's a photo to
> be scanned in.

Thank you!

Karen

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On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 10:02:30PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Secondly, I am relieved that John Belushi and
> > Dan Aykroyd still represent Chicago to the world--since it's
> > the most accurate representation.
>
> To me, for sure. Can't speak for the world.

Well, there are a few other kinds of people in here.

> > > be made in Tushar's neighborhood. Yes, our sweet Tush lives in A
> > > SWEDISH NEIGHBORHOOD!!!!! Who knew.
> >
> > It does not make me a bad person. I have always made it clear
> > that I am totally against the Swedish agenda.
>
> LOL. It's just a funny neighborhood for an Indian, I think.

What's a non-funny one?

It's Swedish pretty much in name by now. Does a "Swedish neighborhood"
have Korean restaurants or Iranian grocery stores?

> > Look it up on the web--there are people who say the bartenders
> > are "rude". Who are these people? I guess those who want Miller
> > "High Life" and onion rings ...
>
> *That* bar? I can't remember the name.

Hopleaf.

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= > marvelous.  I'll have a look later and see if there's a photo to
= > be scanned in.
=
= Thank you!

Hmm.  I seem to have it at hand, already scanned!

http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pics/bigbeer.jpg

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 10:02:30PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > Secondly, I am relieved that John Belushi and
> > > Dan Aykroyd still represent Chicago to the world--since it's
> > > the most accurate representation.
> >
> > To me, for sure. Can't speak for the world.
>
> Well, there are a few other kinds of people in here.

Yes, there are.

> > > > be made in Tushar's neighborhood. Yes, our sweet Tush lives in A
> > > > SWEDISH NEIGHBORHOOD!!!!! Who knew.
> > >
> > > It does not make me a bad person. I have always made it clear
> > > that I am totally against the Swedish agenda.
> >
> > LOL. It's just a funny neighborhood for an Indian, I think.
>
> What's a non-funny one?

Ummm... Don't know, but there must be one.

> It's Swedish pretty much in name by now. Does a "Swedish neighborhood"
> have Korean restaurants or Iranian grocery stores?

True. That Korean restaurant looked good.

> > > Look it up on the web--there are people who say the bartenders
> > > are "rude". Who are these people? I guess those who want Miller
> > > "High Life" and onion rings ...
> >
> > *That* bar? I can't remember the name.
>
> Hopleaf.

Thank you for being my memory.:)

Karen

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steph said:
> = > marvelous.  I'll have a look later and see if there's a photo to
> = > be scanned in.
> =
> = Thank you!
>
> Hmm.  I seem to have it at hand, already scanned!
>
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pics/bigbeer.jpg

Are those Kwak glasses? I've seen those before. In fact, Emily used to
frequent a bar in New Haven that serves beer in those.

Karen

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 07:37:37AM +0100, steph wrote:
> Now, 90% of drinking Kwak is the caché surrounding the glass,

That is untrue, madam, since it is a good beer. Have you seen nasty
Indians chewing "paan" after dinner? This is the beer equivalent of
paan.

The "glass" does make you feel you are sitting in some medieval weirdo's
alchemy lab, though, and it can be tricky to handle it. Google yields
<http://home.earthlink.net/~omniron/pictures_glasses/kwak.jpg>, which
is a good picture of this glass.

A good way to drink from it is this: lift the assembly by the stem of
the rack until you have drunk half to one inch. Do this fast. Now the
glass has a FATASS[tm] which stabilizes it completely. From this point,
you exploit its well-architected shape--lift it diagonally away from
the stand in a smooth motion so it disengages, and drink normally. Put
it back with the reverse motion. This constitutes the andante. Finally,
when you reach the waist, you must change pace again. Otherwise the
considerable amount of beer in the bulb can will descend on your face.
You must let it out in a slow and continuous flow until it fills your
mouth. At this stage, if you keep your eyes open, it will seem to you
that you are drinking from the primal jet of life which issues forth
from the womb of the earth--proving in reality that you have by now
turned into a Hogarthian tippler of uncertain sex. You pretty much
end up inverting it completely over your upturned mouth, but remember
there is no shame in it since YOU HAVE PAID.

Despite the complicated sound of this, it is a drunk-friendly and
stable gadget.

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On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 11:01:00PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= steph said:
= > = > marvelous.  I'll have a look later and see if there's a photo to
= > = > be scanned in.
= > =
= > = Thank you!
= >
= > Hmm.  I seem to have it at hand, already scanned!
= >
= > http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pics/bigbeer.jpg
=
= Are those Kwak glasses? I've seen those before. In fact, Emily used to
= frequent a bar in New Haven that serves beer in those.
=

Yes.  In the foreground are the ones you normally see, and the
guys at the next table are drinking from the big ones.  Was this
bar in New Haven serving all their beer in these glasses??!

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On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 10:15:25PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Psssst... This is a good excuse to drop in for another Kwak.

Looks like humble old Kwak has suddenly become the most important
feature of the bar and the neighborhood ... Who knew. I just randomly
asked for it. There are twenty other Michael Jackson-certified beers
in there.

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In a perpetual Words-L backlog, I am only now learning about
Natalie's loss of her mother on Christmas Eve.  I got to talk
with Miss Grace once, when I called Huntsville on some urgent
list business; when I explained I was one of Natalie's computer
pals, she understood and forgave me for the intrusion.

Natalie, there will be a million times when you want to tell your
mother a story, and realize that she is not there.  You will want
to ask her a question, and realize she is not there.  Call me up
if you want to (859.293.6450); I am no counselor, but just a good
friend.  Be warned: I may boo-hoo before you do.

One story: I have found a restaurant that Daddy likes (no small
task).  I insist on interacting with the wait staff.  Our
favorite server is named Natalie.  When we recently went at an
odd hour, we got someone new; when I asked her what was her name,
she said, "Natalie -- they call me 'Deuce'."  I tipped her big.

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brad





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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 01:45:04AM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
= On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 07:37:37AM +0100, steph wrote:
= > Now, 90% of drinking Kwak is the caché surrounding the glass,
=
= That is untrue, madam, since it is a good beer. Have you seen nasty
= Indians chewing "paan" after dinner? This is the beer equivalent of
= paan.
=

I'm having a hard time with this one.  I'd be willing to revise
to "Half the fun of drinking Kwak is the panache that goes with
the glass", but reading your treatise on how to use the glass,
replete with an invocation of Hogarth makes me want to stand by
my words.  Also I'm thinking, If I were Karen in a Bar in Chicago
with Tushar, then I'd enjoy anything recommended to me, and not
be much concerned with anything at all.

It is indeed a good beer.  Given the panoply of Belgian beers
I am sometimes forced to choose from, and the general
availibility of Kwak versus, say, Brigand Christmas beer on tap,
well, you pays your money, you takes your choice.

As for "nasty", "Indians", "paan", "after dinner", and "beer
equivalent", I am completely out of context here.   Do you mean a
nice everyday habitual beer after dinner, to be drunk by those of
the class of people who drink a beer after dinner?  In that case
I'll just stick to my De Koninck, thank you.  It's just a bit
hoppier, a bit less tangier, and available fresh, in cases, from
the liquor store across the street.  Or on tap at the cafe one
block down.  Though there's probably Kwak, only probably fresh, at the
supermarket down the block.  Perhaps for a change.

For Karen: the Gingerman on 4th and Guadalupe is reputed to have
Kwak.

=
= A good way to drink from it is this: lift the assembly by the stem of
= the rack until you have drunk half to one inch. Do this fast. Now the
= glass has a FATASS[tm] which stabilizes it completely. From this point,
= you exploit its well-architected shape--lift it diagonally away from
= the stand in a smooth motion so it disengages, and drink normally. Put
= it back with the reverse motion. This constitutes the andante. Finally,
= when you reach the waist, you must change pace again. Otherwise the
= considerable amount of beer in the bulb can will descend on your face.
= You must let it out in a slow and continuous flow until it fills your
= mouth. At this stage, if you keep your eyes open, it will seem to you
= that you are drinking from the primal jet of life which issues forth
= from the womb of the earth--proving in reality that you have by now
= turned into a Hogarthian tippler of uncertain sex. You pretty much
= end up inverting it completely over your upturned mouth, but remember
= there is no shame in it since YOU HAVE PAID.
=
= Despite the complicated sound of this, it is a drunk-friendly and
= stable gadget.

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bogris01 wrote:

> Natalie, there will be a million times when you want to tell your
> mother a story, and realize that she is not there.  You will want
> to ask her a question, and realize she is not there.  Call me up

Yes, I know that feeling.  I've had it re a friend who died a few years
ago.  The thing that makes it different with Mama is that I had already
moved gradually into the situation as she declined more and more.
Although she wasn't confused in the way Daddy was -- she didn't have
alzheimers or any other major senility of that kind, she was sort of
fading out mentally.  Often I wasn't sure how much of the difficulty in
conversations was that she for some reason rarely had her hearing aids
turned up high enough (during recent times I mean) and how much was a
matter of her mental processing.  But things she would have found
hilarious in the past she seemed not quite to get, and questions I asked
her sometimes got odd answers.  The person I was visiting in the past
month or so had moments of being Mama but wasn't consistenly so.  She
was somebody else.

> favorite server is named Natalie.  When we recently went at an
> odd hour, we got someone new; when I asked her what was her name,
> she said, "Natalie -- they call me 'Deuce'."  I tipped her big.

My goodness.  Two Natalies in one restaurant?  I should see about
working there.  It must be a Natalie magnet.  But what would I be
called?  Maybe just a simple "Three."

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 07:59 AM 12/29/2002 +0100, steph wrote:
>= > marvelous.  I'll have a look later and see if there's a photo to
>= > be scanned in.
>=
>= Thank you!
>
>Hmm.  I seem to have it at hand, already scanned!

Those look like the old "half-yard" glasses that for a while (15 years ago,
maybe?) were featured in reasonably upscale bars here in the U.S.  Some
bars even had "yard" glasses so that the big hitters could quaff a yard of
ale.  (After quaffing, they would regale.)

cwv

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> > > Isn't it all one piece -- the ceiling and the molding?
> >
> > Not having seen Karen's example, I cannot say for sure. Certainly there
> > is pressed tin that has no moldings attached or intrinsic to it. But I
> > suppose there could be some as you say.
>
>But it would be tacky. This was NOT tacky.
>Karen

The ceiling in the dining room of The Hearthside is tin.  It looks to me
like it is all one, molded piece, painted cream.  It's not tacky at
all.  However, I don't think it is original to the Inn.  I think Barry
bought and installed it.


    --bonniev

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 09:24:53AM -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
= At 07:59 AM 12/29/2002 +0100, steph wrote:
= >= > marvelous.  I'll have a look later and see if there's a photo to
= >= > be scanned in.
= >=
= >= Thank you!
= >
= >Hmm.  I seem to have it at hand, already scanned!
=
= Those look like the old "half-yard" glasses that for a while (15 years ago,
= maybe?) were featured in reasonably upscale bars here in the U.S.  Some
= bars even had "yard" glasses so that the big hitters could quaff a yard of
= ale.  (After quaffing, they would regale.)
=
= cwv

The thing with Belgian beer, especially in Belgium where they
take this to extremes, is that it should only be served in its
own glass.  So the only way to get to drink from the glass is to
order the beer.  The other night someone did order a Kwak and the
server apologised and asked if he wanted something else, as they
were out of glasses.  That doesn't usually happen with other
beers when they're out of the glass.

When I was going to school in Schenectady, we used to drink at a
local bar.  We weren't welcome, but we were tolerated, usually.
One time we went in there and the place was packed and there were
lots of people drinking out of long boot shaped glasses.  Then at
least, you didn't need the funky holder.

Ah, google is wonderful:
http://www.ewetel.net/~helmut.eckholt1/stiefelhavoga.htm

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bonniev wrote:

>> > > Isn't it all one piece -- the ceiling and the molding?
>> >
>> > Not having seen Karen's example, I cannot say for sure. Certainly there
>> > is pressed tin that has no moldings attached or intrinsic to it. But I
>> > suppose there could be some as you say.
>>
>> But it would be tacky. This was NOT tacky.
>> Karen
>
>
> The ceiling in the dining room of The Hearthside is tin.  It looks to me
> like it is all one, molded piece, painted cream.  It's not tacky at
> all.  However, I don't think it is original to the Inn.  I think Barry
> bought and installed it.


        The first tin ceiling I remember noticing is at a restaurant
in Youngstown.  Uncle Leo used to take us there all the time
-- it was his favorite place, and was at the edge of a very
dicey section of town (the "old neighborhood" where they all
grew up).  It is painted a very nice shade of pale green.  I
don't ever recall seeing a tin ceiling growing up in New
England; maybe I just never looked up.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>Jack and Jorma are wonderful musicians.  I've seen Hot Tuna a couple of
times over the past few years.

>neal

Ah. Then you've also likely seen my former classmate/longtime bud Byron
House on bass.

AS

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
>
>>        I love overheating.  It makes me feel rich.  I'm not sure it
>>has anything to do with whether or not one gets sick, though.
>>
>
> If there's no humidifying, it makes you get sick because you're all
> dried out.


        You have extremely delicate health.  People sneeze in Laos
and it makes you sick.


> The first thing I did when I came home after feeding the cat was open
> all the doors and windows and turn the ceiling fan on.
>
>
>>        I don't normally overheat my house, but it feels nice and
>>toasty tonight because I had the oven all day making goodies
>>for church tomorrow.  And I made an interesting (and very
>>easy) new Italian stew recipe for supper that came out quite
>>yummy.
>>
>
> What makes it Italian stew?


        Italian sausage, diced tomatoes, oregano, some beans,
noodles.  Cooked up in about 20 minutes, so is a candidate
for the non-vacation menu.  I modified a recipe from from a
Reames noodle coupon.  Next time I might throw in some
spinach.  I'm into stews right now.

        Yesterday I made Sally Lunn bread, koulourakia, gingersnaps,
chocolate chip cookies (with ghiradelli double chocolate
chips), and a lemon bundt cake.  Church attendance is
usually pretty low without Sunday School for the kids, but
that's ok -- I needed to get the baking out of my system
since I didn't do any for the holidays other than a few
pumpkin pies for Kevin and Ana to fight over and some
cookies for Santa.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Karen Kay wrote:


>>Look it up on the web--there are people who say the bartenders
>>are "rude". Who are these people? I guess those who want Miller
>>"High Life" and onion rings ...


        I want Miller beer and some really really good onion rings --
the kind made with whole sweet onions and dredged in salted
flour.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Has anyone not yet racked up "Twice-Told Tales" in the current Northwest
World Traveler?

AS

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What a relief to have had one again!

AS (who actually did not reach the destination by NW)

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My new favorite breakfast!

AS

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 09:40:49AM -0600, Amy Burns Short wrote:
= Has anyone not yet racked up "Twice-Told Tales" in the current Northwest
= World Traveler?
=
= AS

Me, as I haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about.

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steph said:
> Yes.  In the foreground are the ones you normally see, and the
> guys at the next table are drinking from the big ones.  Was this
> bar in New Haven serving all their beer in these glasses??!

It was a size thing, as I recall, rather than a particular beer
thing.

Karen

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 10:15:25PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Psssst... This is a good excuse to drop in for another Kwak.
>
> Looks like humble old Kwak has suddenly become the most important
> feature of the bar and the neighborhood ... Who knew. I just randomly
> asked for it. There are twenty other Michael Jackson-certified beers
> in there.

"Kwak" was a metaphor.

Karen

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= Has anyone not yet racked up "Twice-Told Tales" in the current Northwest
= World Traveler?
=
= AS

>Me, as I haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about.

Kwak on!

AS

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clyde w. voigtlander said:
> At 07:59 AM 12/29/2002 +0100, steph wrote:
> >= > marvelous.  I'll have a look later and see if there's a photo to
> >= > be scanned in.
> >=
> >= Thank you!
> >
> >Hmm.  I seem to have it at hand, already scanned!
>
> Those look like the old "half-yard" glasses that for a while (15 years ago,
> maybe?) were featured in reasonably upscale bars here in the U.S.  Some
> bars even had "yard" glasses so that the big hitters could quaff a yard of
> ale.  (After quaffing, they would regale.)

Thank you, that's the term my brain was fumbling for.

Karen

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bonniev said:
> > > > Isn't it all one piece -- the ceiling and the molding?
> > >
> > > Not having seen Karen's example, I cannot say for sure. Certainly there
> > > is pressed tin that has no moldings attached or intrinsic to it. But I
> > > suppose there could be some as you say.
> >
> >But it would be tacky. This was NOT tacky.
> >Karen
>
> The ceiling in the dining room of The Hearthside is tin.  It looks to me
> like it is all one, molded piece, painted cream.  It's not tacky at
> all.  However, I don't think it is original to the Inn.  I think Barry
> bought and installed it.

Ask him if the molding is integral to the ceiling. This one is new, too.

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
> > If there's no humidifying, it makes you get sick because you're all
> > dried out.
>
>         You have extremely delicate health.  People sneeze in Laos
> and it makes you sick.

Pretty much. I used to get sick every time I flew; I have actually
improved.

> I'm into stews right now.

:)

>         Yesterday I made Sally Lunn bread, koulourakia, gingersnaps,

What is koulourakia?

I'm still trying to decide whether to drag myself out of the house or not.

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
>         The first tin ceiling I remember noticing is at a restaurant
> in Youngstown.

All the ones I remember are in the midwest.

Karen

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steph said:
> For Karen: the Gingerman on 4th and Guadalupe is reputed to have
> Kwak.

Yes. Austin has good beer. My only objection to the Gingerman is that
it's downtown (warehouse District), which means No Free Parking.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> alyce cresap quoted:
>
> > My husband scored 1,467,000 on Bookworm.....does become addictive!
>
> What is the name of that category?

She didn't say.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Everything was beautiful.

I am glad of that. You (and your mother) deserved something very nice.

alyce

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The bear is the best

http://www.petfoodstore.co.uk/acatalog/Wagtails_Dog_Beds.html
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alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> I know *that*; I was wondering if it was a particular painter.

No. A generic one or perhaps a composite.
>
> I'm glad to see you posting, Alyce.

Thanks. I am glad to see you posting, too. Are you home now? I have lost
track of your itinerary.

alyce

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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It's like it's zillions of miles closer than the last time I saw it.  It's
low in the sky and CLOSE and hot and way too bright!

I feel like somebody turned over my rock, I'm going to scurry back into
some cool dark place and think it over.

Ann

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > I know *that*; I was wondering if it was a particular painter.
>
> No. A generic one or perhaps a composite.
> >
> > I'm glad to see you posting, Alyce.
>
> Thanks. I am glad to see you posting, too. Are you home now? I have lost
> track of your itinerary.

Me, too! Yes, I am home again, not to bestir myself for many months.

Karen

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Words-l is so convenient, when you've milked all the attention you can get
from those around you:

I broke my glasses!  The frames just snapped.  DAMN.

I have an old pair on now and they make me feel kind of queasy.  I guess
I'll put on the sun glasses, I need them anyway.

This could be lucky, actually.  I need less grandmotherly glasses I think.

We're off with a carfull to the Sacramento River Delta.  I'm not sure why.

Ann

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> It's like it's zillions of miles closer than the last time I saw it.  It's
> low in the sky and CLOSE and hot and way too bright!
>
Yes. We should be slamming into it at any moment. Didn't you hear the
Breaking News on CNN?

alyce

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At 11:52 AM 12/29/2002 -0500, alyce wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > alyce cresap quoted:
> >
> > > My husband scored 1,467,000 on Bookworm.....does become addictive!
> >
> > What is the name of that category?
>
>She didn't say.

It should be super dictionarian.

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Ann Borkin said:
> Words-l is so convenient, when you've milked all the attention you can get
> from those around you:
>
> I broke my glasses!  The frames just snapped.  DAMN.
>
> I have an old pair on now and they make me feel kind of queasy.  I guess
> I'll put on the sun glasses, I need them anyway.
>
> This could be lucky, actually.  I need less grandmotherly glasses I think.
>
> We're off with a carfull to the Sacramento River Delta.  I'm not sure why.

But you could get out of it because you broke your glasses!

Karen

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> The bear is the best
>
> http://www.petfoodstore.co.uk/acatalog/Wagtails_Dog_Beds.html

Yes, the bear is very nice.  Did I mention that Spencer apparently got
along just fine without me?  It took me ages and ages to empty the food
and water bowls that were all over the house and the decklet.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Me, too! Yes, I am home again, not to bestir myself for many months.

Did you make the rendezvous on the train?

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> We're off with a carfull to the Sacramento River Delta.  I'm not sure why.

Are you posting drunk this morning?

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 09:26:11AM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
= Words-l is so convenient, when you've milked all the attention you can get
= from those around you:
=
= I broke my glasses!  The frames just snapped.  DAMN.
=

Aaargh!

= I have an old pair on now and they make me feel kind of queasy.  I guess
= I'll put on the sun glasses, I need them anyway.
=

I don't have an old pair, as I turned the old pair into sun
glasses.  It was the first time I ever had a pair of
prescription sun glasses, and I now wonder why I deprived myself
for so long.

= This could be lucky, actually.  I need less grandmotherly glasses I think.
=

Librarian glasses!

= We're off with a carfull to the Sacramento River Delta.  I'm not sure why.
=
= Ann

A carfull of what?

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I've already written the thank-you note and just said "the beautiful
plant," but I'm going to be seeing tonight the people who sent it and am
thinking it might be nice if I could call it by a specific name.  Can
somebody give a name?

http://www.maynor.net/plant.html

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 04:14:02PM +0100, steph wrote:
> = Those look like the old "half-yard" glasses that for a while (15 years ago,
> = maybe?) were featured in reasonably upscale bars here in the U.S.  Some
> = bars even had "yard" glasses so that the big hitters could quaff a yard of
> = ale.  (After quaffing, they would regale.)
>
> The thing with Belgian beer, especially in Belgium where they
> take this to extremes, is that it should only be served in its
> own glass.  So the only way to get to drink from the glass is to
> order the beer.  The other night someone did order a Kwak and the
> server apologised and asked if he wanted something else, as they
> were out of glasses.  That doesn't usually happen with other
> beers when they're out of the glass.

A Kwak glass is not a "half-yard", jeeze!

> Ah, google is wonderful:
> http://www.ewetel.net/~helmut.eckholt1/stiefelhavoga.htm

Ch*x drinking beer ... oh yeah

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 08:10:02AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> steph said:
> > Yes.  In the foreground are the ones you normally see, and the
> > guys at the next table are drinking from the big ones.  Was this
> > bar in New Haven serving all their beer in these glasses??!
>
> It was a size thing, as I recall, rather than a particular beer
> thing.

Right. Bet you anything the social "marking" of a half yard glass
is totally different from Kwak etc.

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 11:42:21AM +0100, steph wrote:
> I'd be willing to revise
> panache
> treatise
> replete with an invocation
> not be much concerned
> panoply
> reputed to have

Cramming for the ESL exam heh "Steph"?

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 09:33:06AM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Look it up on the web--there are people who say the bartenders
> >>are "rude". Who are these people? I guess those who want Miller
> >>"High Life" and onion rings ...
>
>
>        I want Miller beer and some really really good onion rings --
> the kind made with whole sweet onions and dredged in salted
> flour.

Then do it. It's a free country.

Especially for beer drinking ch*x ...

Never saw ring-shaped whole onions

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 09:16:11AM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> It's like it's zillions of miles closer than the last time I saw it.  It's
> low in the sky and CLOSE and hot and way too bright!
>
> I feel like somebody turned over my rock, I'm going to scurry back into
> some cool dark place and think it over.

Same here! Except I am going out.

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 09:26:11AM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Words-l is so convenient, when you've milked all the attention you can get
> from those around you:
>
> I broke my glasses!  The frames just snapped.  DAMN.
>
> I have an old pair on now and they make me feel kind of queasy.  I guess
> I'll put on the sun glasses, I need them anyway.
>
> This could be lucky, actually.  I need less grandmotherly glasses I think.
>
> We're off with a carfull to the Sacramento River Delta.  I'm not sure why.

Get cat's-eye glasses, Dr Borkin. But not the dumb ones ...

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        Calla Lily.  I might not have it spelled right.  In any case,
standard funeral plant; I still have the one from my mil's
funeral.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I've already written the thank-you note and just said "the beautiful
> plant," but I'm going to be seeing tonight the people who sent it and am
> thinking it might be nice if I could call it by a specific name.  Can
> somebody give a name?
>
> http://www.maynor.net/plant.html
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>


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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         Calla Lily.  I might not have it spelled right.  In any case,
> standard funeral plant; I still have the one from my mil's
> funeral.

Thanks.  I thought it was something in the lily family and have seen
them many times but wasn't positive.

--
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 09:33:06AM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>>>Look it up on the web--there are people who say the bartenders
>>>>are "rude". Who are these people? I guess those who want Miller
>>>>"High Life" and onion rings ...
>>>>
>>
>>       I want Miller beer and some really really good onion rings --
>>the kind made with whole sweet onions and dredged in salted
>>flour.
>>
>
> Then do it. It's a free country.


        Not available in St. Louis.


> Especially for beer drinking ch*x ...
>
> Never saw ring-shaped whole onions


        As opposed to those egregious onion rings made from chopped
up bits of onions with bread crumb batter.




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From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM>
>>Anyone else watching the big game?
>>
>>I bet that traitor Marie's rooting for the Giants ...
>
>We got back from the wedding/reception in time for the 4th quarter.  With
>the missed FG, it's OT.

Oh well, woulda been sweet to put the kibbosh on the
Giants playoff hopes...

Go Jets.

-rashmi


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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 12:49:29PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
= On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 11:42:21AM +0100, steph wrote:
= > I'd be willing to revise
= > panache
= > treatise
= > replete with an invocation
= > not be much concerned
= > panoply
= > reputed to have
=
= Cramming for the ESL exam heh "Steph"?

Use it or lose it, bud.

The one I had to look for to be sure I'd gotten right was the
"you pays your money, you takes your choice".

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Janet Hardy <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET>:

>I rarely know which sport is being discussed when people talk about
>games or teams. I'm currently propitiating the fellows downstairs at
>the Sawmill (whose freight elevator I occasionally have to use) by
>giving them my sports page every morning.

I start off the year/season not following any games or teams. Some
seasons end with me not knowing how anybody fared. Other years
it's not so easy. I work and hang out with sports fans and sometimes
I get enough second-hand info to figure out what's going on. Like
this yea. I always lose interest before the NFC championship game,
and never watch SuperBowl, even for the ads.

-rashmi

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>Those look like the old "half-yard" glasses that for a while (15 years ago,
>maybe?) were featured in reasonably upscale bars here in the U.S.  Some
>bars even had "yard" glasses so that the big hitters could quaff a yard of
>ale.

No, no, the kwak glass looks like something out of a medieval
chemistry kit. Very different from the "half-yard" glass, imo.

This thread's making me want to go back to Antwerp.

-rashmi



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>No, I said that statistically smokers hog the lions' share of health
>care resources.

Cite!



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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 01:13:11PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Not available in St. Louis.

No beer in St Louis? That is a nonsense, Madam ...

> As opposed to those egregious onion rings made from chopped
> up bits of onions with bread crumb batter.

I see. I have never had that type but it must be, like, pretty
egregious ... Nowadays many places here have "Guinness battered
rings", a highly ridiculous concept but pretty tasty, pretty
tasty ...

If anybody opposes beer batter, think about this: I know some
FATASSes from Wisconsin who dip cheeseburgers in beer. Thank
you. They even have a word for the grease lenses that form on
the face of the drink ...

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 07:29:41PM +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> No, no, the kwak glass looks like something out of a medieval
> chemistry kit. Very different from the "half-yard" glass, imo.

Thank you, Rashmi.

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Karen Kay wrote:


>
> What is koulourakia?


        A Greek cookie that goes with coffee.


> I'm still trying to decide whether to drag myself out of the house or not.


        It's in the 50's and sunny here today.  Gorgeous.  Nearly all
the snow is gone, but my yard is a mud puddle, so my floors
are getting dirty after Kevin went to all the trouble to wax
the hall yesterday.  For some reason he's thinking the wood
floors don't look good.  I haven't had the heart to tell him
it's because I haven't washed them since this summer;
they're just plain dirty -- a nice coat of wax won't hurt them.




--
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 01:13:11PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Not available in St. Louis.
>>
>
> No beer in St Louis? That is a nonsense, Madam ...
>


        This is Budweiser territory, Mister.


>>As opposed to those egregious onion rings made from chopped
>>up bits of onions with bread crumb batter.
>>
>
> I see. I have never had that type but it must be, like, pretty
> egregious ... Nowadays many places here have "Guinness battered
> rings", a highly ridiculous concept but pretty tasty, pretty
> tasty ...


        Battered onion rings are egregious.  They must be dredged.


> If anybody opposes beer batter, think about this: I know some
> FATASSes from Wisconsin who dip cheeseburgers in beer. Thank
> you. They even have a word for the grease lenses that form on
> the face of the drink ...


        Yum!




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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 01:49:48PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 01:13:11PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >>Not available in St. Louis.
> >
> >No beer in St Louis? That is a nonsense, Madam ...
>
>        This is Budweiser territory, Mister.

Oh, like THAT ... Yet, a whole city should not simply "support
the industry" like this.

> >I see. I have never had that type but it must be, like, pretty
> >egregious ... Nowadays many places here have "Guinness battered
> >rings", a highly ridiculous concept but pretty tasty, pretty
> >tasty ...
>
>        Battered onion rings are egregious.  They must be dredged.

Glad to see some diversity on the list ... what do you fry in
if you don't "batter" something?

> >If anybody opposes beer batter, think about this: I know some
> >FATASSes from Wisconsin who dip cheeseburgers in beer. Thank
> >you. They even have a word for the grease lenses that form on
> >the face of the drink ...
>
>        Yum!

The correct word is "smim". Note: I don't use it since it sounds
obscene.

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At 07:12 PM 12/29/2002 +0000, rashmi wrote:

>Oh well, woulda been sweet to put the kibbosh on the
>Giants playoff hopes...
>
>Go Jets.

It looks like the Patriots run is over.  They had a lot of chances very
early on against Miami, but this, they are not getting the fortuitous bounces.

cwv

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 07:29:41PM +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
= >Those look like the old "half-yard" glasses that for a while (15 years ago,
= >maybe?) were featured in reasonably upscale bars here in the U.S.  Some
= >bars even had "yard" glasses so that the big hitters could quaff a yard of
= >ale.
=
= No, no, the kwak glass looks like something out of a medieval
= chemistry kit. Very different from the "half-yard" glass, imo.
=
= This thread's making me want to go back to Antwerp.
=
= -rashmi
=

yes.  they need you in antwerp!

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=
= If anybody opposes beer batter, think about this: I know some

No, no.  Beer batter is chemically good!  All the bubbles make
for a light batter.

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> = > marvelous.  I'll have a look later and see if there's a photo to
> = > be scanned in.
> =
> = Thank you!
>
> Hmm.  I seem to have it at hand, already scanned!
>
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pics/bigbeer.jpg
>
There is a wordsler belly on the right side of the photo too. Thanks for
fond memories.


alec

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> From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM>
> >>Anyone else watching the big game?
> >>
> >>I bet that traitor Marie's rooting for the Giants ...
> >
> >We got back from the wedding/reception in time for the 4th quarter.  With
> >the missed FG, it's OT.
>
> Oh well, woulda been sweet to put the kibbosh on the
> Giants playoff hopes...
>
> Go Jets.
>
> -rashmi
>

The Eagles looked horrible. I hope the Jets win, not likely.


alec

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Me, too! Yes, I am home again, not to bestir myself for many months.
>
> Did you make the rendezvous on the train?

Yes, Tushar was very kind and helpful, and showed me a few Union
Station tricks.

I have to say that getting my (paid for) train ticket could not have
been easier. I just stuck in my debit ticket, pushed a button to print
the ticket, et voila.

And, they not only announced the stop, but they put all the 'zoo
people in the same car.

Karen

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Rashmi Murthy said:
> No, no, the kwak glass looks like something out of a medieval
> chemistry kit. Very different from the "half-yard" glass, imo.

Hm. Not in my memory.

> This thread's making me want to go back to Antwerp.

:)

Karen

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Rashmi Murthy said:
> From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> >No, I said that statistically smokers hog the lions' share of health
> >care resources.
>
> Cite!

I thought I did at the time. Okay, NEJM: "Health care costs for
smokers at a given age are as much as 40 percent higher than those for
nonsmokers..."

http://www.forces.org/evidence/files/nejmcost.htm et al.

Karen

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Alec D. Plotkin said:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "steph" <stevie@MULTINIX.COM>
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>
>
> > = > marvelous.  I'll have a look later and see if there's a photo to
> > = > be scanned in.
> > =
> > = Thank you!
> >
> > Hmm.  I seem to have it at hand, already scanned!
> >
> > http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pics/bigbeer.jpg
> >
> There is a wordsler belly on the right side of the photo too. Thanks for
> fond memories.

Okay, here's a link to the half-yard glasses.
http://www.internetwines.com/rws17020.html

How are they different fromt he Kwak glasses???

Karen

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Here's a web page with a bunch of different kinds of glasses:
http://www.beermania.be/sales/box_sets2.htm

It looks like the Kwak glass is more squat (i.e., smaller) than a yard
glass.

Karen

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On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, alyce cresap wrote:

> How to say  "Oh my god!  There's an axe in my head," in various
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> 102 TRANSLATIONS NOW AVAILABLE
> The Web's #1 Axe In My Head Page
> http://www.yamara.com/junk/xl970512.html

        This has got to be one of the most <productive> uses of the
Internet I have ever seen.

        My ribs now hurt from this insanity.  I told my wife about this.
She suggested I share with you the following humorous (darkly satirical,
in this case) page:

http://www.ling.upenn.edu/~kurisuto/rusty/rusty.html

--
Take care,
Tom Lee (flint@kiva.net)
Checking for axes

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On Sunday, December 29, 2002, at 01:41 , Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Roy Jaques wrote:
>
>> In Britain, the general opinion of anybody owning any firearm other than
>> a
>> shotgun is that they are weird, a nutter or usually both.
>
> What's the difference between being weird and being a nutter?

Good point, there isn't a lot, but thinking about it you can't really be
both. Weird people keep themselves to themselves, nutters will try to
involve others or affect others with their strangeness.

>  And why
> are shotguns exempt?

In British law there is definition of a shotgun to separate the licence
from other firearms. Shotguns are more a tool of the farmer, and used for
shooting birds, rabbits and clay pigeons.

I did look up the definition and it states that a shotgun has a smooth
bore, the barrel is not less than 24 inches and has no magazine loading
amongst other things.

> [didn't read the rest of your posting -- am very, very tired tonight and
> just somehow couldn't get into gun readings]
>
It did get a little long didn't it.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
Roy

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At 07:35 PM 12/29/2002 +0000, rashmi wrote:
>From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>
>>No, I said that statistically smokers hog the lions' share of health
>>care resources.
>
>Cite!

I can't cite evidence to the contrary, but I wonder if because smokers (on
average) have shorter life spans that in the end, it is the very long-lived
who demand a greater share of health-care resources.

cwv

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At 03:02 PM 12/29/2002 -0500, I wrote:
>At 07:12 PM 12/29/2002 +0000, rashmi wrote:
>
>>Oh well, woulda been sweet to put the kibbosh on the
>>Giants playoff hopes...
>>
>>Go Jets.
>
>It looks like the Patriots run is over.  They had a lot of chances very
>early on against Miami, but this, they are not getting the fortuitous bounces.

So much for that.  The Patriots won, but the Jets are also winning at
halftime, so whether the Pats make it to the playoffs will depend on the
outcome of other games.  Why am I reminded of Florida elections?

cwv

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>>
>>> Carving your own destiny does not require any form of firearm.
>>
>> Consider if you will, Roy, such luminaries as Alvin Karpis, John
>> Dillinger,
>> Al Capone, Charles Luciano, Clyde Barrow, Harvey Lee Oswald, Jack Ruby,
>> Charles Whitman---and these are just some of the recent additions to the
>> list of the James's, Earps, Daltons, John Wesley Hardin, William H.
>> Bonney,
>> and the other sociopaths studding our history.
>
> I didn't read all of Roy's earlier posting and thus may be out-of-sycnh
> here, but I'm wondering how Roy will be able to consider the people on
> the list you gave.  Why would he have heard of them?
>
I recognised Capone the rest of them I have no idea about. But Clyde
rightly pointed out they are figures from your history. His posting,
although it mentioned my name, may not have been totally for my benefit.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Roy

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clyde w. voigtlander said:
> I can't cite evidence to the contrary, but I wonder if because smokers (on
> average) have shorter life spans that in the end, it is the very long-lived
> who demand a greater share of health-care resources.

There's a lot of information on this very topic on the web.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
 It took me ages and ages to empty the food
> and water bowls that were all over the house and the decklet.

I am glad he proved trustworthy and competent.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> I've already written the thank-you note and just said "the beautiful
> plant," but I'm going to be seeing tonight the people who sent it and am
> thinking it might be nice if I could call it by a specific name.  Can
> somebody give a name?
>
> http://www.maynor.net/plant.html
>
Peace lily

alyce


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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         Calla Lily.

It's spelled right. Natalie--just say Lily. I am not convinced it is a
calla lily, but maybe. Rita, I am not arguing--I can't see the picture
well enough. Peace lilies and calla lilies are pretty similar, but I've
never seen a calla lily as a houseplant. Could be that I am
inexperienced, though.

alyce

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 01:05:47PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > = > marvelous.  I'll have a look later and see if there's a photo to
> > > = > be scanned in.
> > > =
> > > = Thank you!
> > >
> > > Hmm.  I seem to have it at hand, already scanned!
> > >
> > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pics/bigbeer.jpg
> > >
> > There is a wordsler belly on the right side of the photo too. Thanks for
> > fond memories.
>
> Okay, here's a link to the half-yard glasses.
> http://www.internetwines.com/rws17020.html
>
> How are they different fromt he Kwak glasses???

Though this topic has, heh heh, "jumped the shark", allow me another
intervention. Let me ask you again, K-R-N, if you see a difference
between the ugly autocad-assembled half-yard glasses standing on the
table in front of a couple of dumb ass frat boys, and the carefully
shaped and proper-sized Kwak glasses nearer the camera?

Oh, I see, the latter are "more squat". There you go, that's the
difference ...

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>> >No, I said that statistically smokers hog the lions' share of health
>> >care resources.
>>
>> Cite!
>
>I thought I did at the time. Okay, NEJM: "Health care costs for
>smokers at a given age are as much as 40 percent higher than those for
>nonsmokers..."
>
>http://www.forces.org/evidence/files/nejmcost.htm et al.
>
>Karen

The sentence you quote doesn't prove the thing that you claimed.  The most
obvious deficiency is that is doesn't take into account the decreased life
expectancy of smokers.

In fact, the abstract you cited suggests that health care costs would
actually increase if people stopped smoking, which in turn suggests the
possibility that it is in fact nonsmokers who consume more than their share
of health care resources.

Ken Miller
Darrell Huff School of Statistical Analysi

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At 10:57 PM 12/29/2002 +0000, roy wrote:
Consider if you will, Roy, such luminaries as Alvin Karpis, John
>>>Dillinger,
>>>Al Capone, Charles Luciano, Clyde Barrow, Harvey Lee Oswald, Jack Ruby,
>>>Charles Whitman---and these are just some of the recent additions to the
>>>list of the James's, Earps, Daltons, John Wesley Hardin, William H.
>>>Bonney,
>>>and the other sociopaths studding our history.
>I recognised Capone the rest of them I have no idea about. But Clyde
>rightly pointed out they are figures from your history. His posting,
>although it mentioned my name, may not have been totally for my benefit.

Karpis, Dillinger, Lucky Luciano were more or less contemporaries of
Capone---the big mob days.  Clyde Barrow was half of the
"Bonnie & Clyde" gang.  Oswald killed JFK, Ruby killed Oswald.  Charles
Whitman went to the top of the tower in Austin, TX and shot/killed several;
the rest are folk-heroes from our wild-west past.

All carved out their destinies, and foreshortened the destinies of others,
with firearms.

cwv

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 12:41:55PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Yes, Tushar was very kind and helpful, and showed me a few Union
> Station tricks.

Nobody has as huge of a bag of Union Station tricks as T Bone. I believe
you are talking about the trick of taking an escalator to a higher level.
Never fails to amaze people. They stand there not knowing what to do,
cautiously eyeing the banister, or wondering if the walls have velcro,
when suddenly, BOOM, you are on the escalator and out at the street
level. I am full of Union Station tricks that way.

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alyce cresap said:
> It's spelled right. Natalie--just say Lily. I am not convinced it is a
> calla lily, but maybe. Rita, I am not arguing--I can't see the picture
> well enough. Peace lilies and calla lilies are pretty similar, but I've
> never seen a calla lily as a houseplant. Could be that I am
> inexperienced, though.

It's not a calla lily. I've never seen a calla lily indoors, either.

http://www.vanderlaans.com/vanspath.htm

Spathiphyllum--peace lily.

Karen

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Bookrat said:
> >> >No, I said that statistically smokers hog the lions' share of health
> >> >care resources.
> >>
> >> Cite!
> >
> >I thought I did at the time. Okay, NEJM: "Health care costs for
> >smokers at a given age are as much as 40 percent higher than those for
> >nonsmokers..."
> >
> >http://www.forces.org/evidence/files/nejmcost.htm et al.
> >
> >Karen
>
> The sentence you quote doesn't prove the thing that you claimed.

Huh? Sure it does. My claim was quite limited, and the sentence I
quoted was unambiguous.

> In fact, the abstract you cited suggests that health care costs would
> actually increase if people stopped smoking, which in turn suggests the
> possibility that it is in fact nonsmokers who consume more than their share
> of health care resources.

What I wonder about is if there's a difference between smokers who
quit and nonsmokers. Both in health care costs and life expectancy. I
keep thinking of my relatives who are dying from lung cancer (3 of 9
siblings--2 of them quit over 20 years earlier).

Karen

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Tushar Samant said:
> Oh, I see, the latter are "more squat". There you go, that's the
> difference ...

But then the photo that Steph posted was of half yard glasses. You
can't have it all ways at the same time, bud.

Karen

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 03:16:30PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> But then the photo that Steph posted was of half yard glasses.

No, it had both kinds.

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Rita Chapman said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > What is koulourakia?
>
>         A Greek cookie that goes with coffee.

I looked on the web and have no idea what these are like. Some recipes
have sesame seeds, some have lemon, some have cinnamon. Some have 2 of
3, but so far no recipe has all 3.

What are they like?

> > I'm still trying to decide whether to drag myself out of the house or not.
>
>
>         It's in the 50's and sunny here today.  Gorgeous.

There was so much fog that visibility was down to less than 50 feet or
so.

It lightened as the day wore on.

> floors don't look good.  I haven't had the heart to tell him
> it's because I haven't washed them since this summer;
> they're just plain dirty -- a nice coat of wax won't hurt them.

LOL!!!

Karen

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I found a French recipe for Koulourakia lambriatika that includes
lemon and "amandes mondies et effilies".

This sounds good.

Karen

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Karen Kay said:
> Spathiphyllum--peace lily.

P.S. These always remind me of anthuriums.

Karen

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 03:16:30PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > But then the photo that Steph posted was of half yard glasses.
>
> No, it had both kinds.

Ah. I shall examine it in greater detail, then.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I found a French recipe for Koulourakia lambriatika that includes
> lemon and "amandes mondies et effilies".
>
> This sounds good.
>


        I don't know what the stuff in quotes means, but koulourakia
don't have lemon in them.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Tushar Samant said:
> On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 03:16:30PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > But then the photo that Steph posted was of half yard glasses.
>
> No, it had both kinds.

Ah, I see. Very cleverly hidden behind the greenery. I wouldn't have
known what it was if I hadn't looked at those other URLs.

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > I found a French recipe for Koulourakia lambriatika that includes
> > lemon and "amandes mondies et effilies".
> >
> > This sounds good.
> >
>
>
>         I don't know what the stuff in quotes means, but koulourakia
> don't have lemon in them.

Almonds--my guess is blanched and slivered.

What about cinnamon? Or your recipe?

Karen

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Tushar Samant said:
> I see. I have never had that type but it must be, like, pretty
> egregious ... Nowadays many places here have "Guinness battered
> rings", a highly ridiculous concept but pretty tasty, pretty
> tasty ...

There's a place here that serves REAL onion rings that have coconut in
the batter. I'm an addict.

> They even have a word for the grease lenses that form on
> the face of the drink ...

Which is?

Karen

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>>What is koulourakia?
>>>
>>        A Greek cookie that goes with coffee.
>>
>
> I looked on the web and have no idea what these are like. Some recipes
> have sesame seeds, some have lemon, some have cinnamon. Some have 2 of
> 3, but so far no recipe has all 3.
>
> What are they like?


        They're a butter cookie, shaped as a twist and rolled in
sesame seeds. Making them is a little bit time intensive,
but not difficult. They have some cinnamon and some clove in
them sometimes (my recipe does), but I've never had them
with lemon. Must be a regional variation.  They're not a
terribly sweet cookie.  I found a photo for you:

http://www.post-gazette.com/food/200206272greeks2.asp


And here's some fancier looking ones, but I don't like the recipe that goes with the photo:


http://www.mindspring.com/~pavlos/recipes/kouloura.htm

Here's a recipe that's very close to mine:

http://www.recipesource.com/ethnic/europe/greek/01/rec0166.html




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Karen Kay wrote:

> alyce cresap said:
>
>>It's spelled right. Natalie--just say Lily. I am not convinced it is a
>>calla lily, but maybe. Rita, I am not arguing--I can't see the picture
>>well enough. Peace lilies and calla lilies are pretty similar, but I've
>>never seen a calla lily as a houseplant. Could be that I am
>>inexperienced, though.
>>
>
> It's not a calla lily. I've never seen a calla lily indoors, either.
>
> http://www.vanderlaans.com/vanspath.htm
>
> Spathiphyllum--peace lily.


        I bow to you both!  I've heard them called callas, but the
person doing the calling was probably wrong.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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In a message dated 12/29/2002 9:32:22 AM Central Standard Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<
        I want Miller beer and some really really good onion rings --
the kind made with whole sweet onions and dredged in salted
flour.

>>

Sounds like Arby's onion petals; I really like those with the southwest
sauce.  I think I'll get some tomorrow night.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 04:04:33PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> There's a place here that serves REAL onion rings that have coconut in
> the batter. I'm an addict.

I am a great fan of real things myself. The first thing I look
for in anything is: is it authentic? It's gotta be authetic,
otherwise it's crap.

> > They even have a word for the grease lenses that form on
> > the face of the drink ...
>
> Which is?

Smim. Note: I don't use the word, since it sounds obscene.

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 03:36:55PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Tushar Samant said:
> > On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 03:16:30PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > But then the photo that Steph posted was of half yard glasses.
> >
> > No, it had both kinds.
>
> Ah, I see. Very cleverly hidden behind the greenery. I wouldn't have
> known what it was if I hadn't looked at those other URLs.

Hokay!

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Rita Chapman said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > alyce cresap said:
> >
> >>It's spelled right. Natalie--just say Lily. I am not convinced it is a
> >>calla lily, but maybe. Rita, I am not arguing--I can't see the picture
> >>well enough. Peace lilies and calla lilies are pretty similar, but I've
> >>never seen a calla lily as a houseplant. Could be that I am
> >>inexperienced, though.
> >>
> >
> > It's not a calla lily. I've never seen a calla lily indoors, either.
> >
> > http://www.vanderlaans.com/vanspath.htm
> >
> > Spathiphyllum--peace lily.
>
>
>         I bow to you both!  I've heard them called callas, but the
> person doing the calling was probably wrong.

They are shaped like callas, but callas are much larger IME, and the
petal is much thicker.

Karen

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On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> Get cat's-eye glasses, Dr Borkin. But not the dumb ones ...

Tell me which glasses to get, please.

Ann

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Rashmi Murthy said:
> >>        Jeez.  She's still drunk.  Nice work, Tushar.  Is this what
> >>you do on all your dates?      --Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> >
> >Hell, it's the only way he can get a date!
>
> >    --bonniev
>
> We must be reading different lists. K*R*N's been throwing herself at
> Tushar since, I don't know, July?!

Ever since he agreed to buy me a beer in December. I don't remember
when that was.

Karen

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Ann Borkin said:
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Get cat's-eye glasses, Dr Borkin. But not the dumb ones ...
>
> Tell me which glasses to get, please.

Small glasses are in.

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
>         As opposed to those egregious onion rings made from chopped
> up bits of onions with bread crumb batter.

Those should be illegal.

Karen

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Tushar Samant said:
> Yesterday I walked around a bit, in consideration of the fact
> that it snowed seriously for the first time. It was lovely. As
> I walked past my favorite Thai place I gave in and walked in and
> got food to go. It was lovely.

I saw this place!

> I discovered later that she had
> packed in *my favorite damn dessert* for free. What a lovely
> discovery. It may be because of a mistake, but I think the
> innkeeper's daughter has got it for T Bone. That was a lovely
> feeling.

And whyever not? I delight with you in this feeling.

> If you are buzzed on some-
> thing you just ate or drank, you will have only one general
> sentiment: Germany is great. Or: France is great or England
> is great, Ireland is great, Italy is great, Belgium is great,
> Greece is great, Sweden is great, Poland is great (pretty much,
> Israel is the only nation to hate).

What about falafel?

> This has been This American Life, dumb monologue number 143.

Do I get to meet your bud Ira next year?

Karen

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It's probably been answered by now, but that's a peace lily. I have one in
my living room; it doesn't bloom very much since it gets no direct sunlight.
Other than that it's doing swell.

--Adam

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> --
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Tushar Samant said:
> Nobody has as huge of a bag of Union Station tricks as T Bone.

Amen, brother.

> I believe you are talking about the trick of taking an escalator to
> a higher level.

No, it was... the ins and outs of the 3-stations-in-1. The details
have escaped me already, sorry. I was just very glad you were there
because it was much faster.

> I am full of Union Station tricks that way.

I love you, Tushar.

Karen

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Ann Borkin said:
> It's like it's zillions of miles closer than the last time I saw it.  It's
> low in the sky and CLOSE and hot and way too bright!
>
> I feel like somebody turned over my rock, I'm going to scurry back into
> some cool dark place and think it over.

What did you decide?

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
> And here's some fancier looking ones, but I don't like the recipe that goes with the photo:
>
>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~pavlos/recipes/kouloura.htm

These are beautiful!

> Here's a recipe that's very close to mine:
>
> http://www.recipesource.com/ethnic/europe/greek/01/rec0166.html

Thank you.

Karen

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The arguments go both ways.

Smokers less:
<http://www.cato.org/dailys/1-16-98.html>

Smokers and ex-smokers more:
<http://www.infoaging.org/l-smok-02-costs.html>

"Contradictory evidence":
<http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=407&sequence=7>

I didn't read them carefully, but I think the smokers' costs go up
significantly if you include indirect costs like lost productivity or
smoking-related fires.

Pete

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 10:44:33PM +0000, Roy Jaques wrote:
= On Sunday, December 29, 2002, at 01:41 , Natalie Maynor wrote:
=
= > Roy Jaques wrote:
= >
= >> In Britain, the general opinion of anybody owning any firearm other than
= >> a
= >> shotgun is that they are weird, a nutter or usually both.
= >
= > What's the difference between being weird and being a nutter?
=
= Good point, there isn't a lot, but thinking about it you can't really be
= both. Weird people keep themselves to themselves, nutters will try to
= involve others or affect others with their strangeness.
=

Roy's weird, but he isn't a nutter. (he's not that weird either,
but he is weird enough, if you know what I mean)

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 03:16:30PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= Tushar Samant said:
= > Oh, I see, the latter are "more squat". There you go, that's the
= > difference ...
=
= But then the photo that Steph posted was of half yard glasses. You
= can't have it all ways at the same time, bud.
=
= Karen

We've had a bit of discussion here, and Patrick says the only
beer on the menu that you could order in the large size was Kwak.
So either they've broken their rule and put Kwak in half yard
glasses, or the possibility exists that in Belgium, when there's
also Kwak on tap, so you're free to measure out what you wish,
that there'd be large Kwak glasses.

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= between the ugly autocad-assembled half-yard glasses standing on the
= table in front of a couple of dumb ass frat boys, and the carefully

If they're European, are they dumb ass frat boys, or something
else?

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Since October we have had temperatures below freezing almost every day. There has been some snow for a long time but just now before Christmas a lot more started falling and fell until yesterday. This is the way I remember from my childhood. And something I never experienced in Bergen. I have been skating two days and skiing (cross country) twice. Things are so civilized that one of the trails coming out from the forest north and west of the city centre comes to the end of a tram line. And that tram stops outside our door. I think we should go lugeing one dayu and possibly I will hire some dlalom skis and do some alpine skiing - my knee handles this very well so far!

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Tomorrow I plan to cook turkey for the first time. I plan to do a low temperature cooking in the oven (about 90 C). The bird is 6 1/2 kg, how long should I expect it to take if I aim at a meat temperature of about 65 C?

Espen

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At 02:15 PM 12/30/2002 +0100, espen wrote:
>Tomorrow I plan to cook turkey for the first time. I plan to do a low
>temperature cooking in the oven (about 90 C). The bird is 6 1/2 kg, how
>long should I expect it to take if I aim at a meat temperature of about 65 C?

I've never roasted a turkey, so this is hearsay/cookbook stuff.  I can't
find a low-temperature recipe, but I wonder if your meat-temperature target
isn't a bit low---most books I've seen recommend 75-80 C.

You might find the URL below helpful:

http://www.honeysucklewhite.com/all_about_turkey/preparation_choices/roasting.html


cwv

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At 07:13 AM 12/27/2002 -1000, you wrote:
>On 27 Dec 2002 at 11:53, Alan Wild wrote:
>
> > Or better yet, let's dispense with this potentially emotional issue.
>
>Sure, let's talk about something more cheerful. How about U.S.
>torture in the Middle East?
>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37943-2002Dec25.html

It's fine to expose and criticize our military's handling of prisoners. The
American public should be aware that it's government does that which we
accuse others of doing.

However, what's the "happy" medium? How do we get the information we need
from those who possess it?

lisa

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At 03:47 PM 12/27/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Proscuitto = yummy
>Proscuitto from Parma = religious experience

amen sister. amen.

lisa

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>
>One of the great things about spending time in Italy is that proscuitto is
>as common (or moreso) as bacon is here.  Nothing like a breakast of Italian
>bread, cheese, proscuitto, and good coffee.
>
>cwv

The food network was in Tuscany yesterday. They featured a meal of chestnut
polenta with sides of ricotta cheese and diced pancetta which had been
fried in a bit of olive oil and balsamic vinegar.

Normally I don't like polenta but this chestnut one looked fantastic. With
all the other stuff I figured even if I didn't like it I couls "suffer"
through it.

lisa

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>I remember when I was a kid that we could call one of our phones
>from the other by dialing "11911."  It would be nice to have that
>now in case one of us went outside with one of the phones.

That was my brother's alarm clock. My mother would use the call back
feature to get him out of bed. It wasn't very effective because he could
sleep through or ignore just about anything. Mostly it infuriated my mother
and irritated me.

lisa

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At 09:32 AM 12/27/2002 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>Ken Miller :
>
>>Also, why are you at work on the day after Christmas?  Are you under the
>>influence of their clever motivational gifts?
>
>I was at work yesterday - suppose that marks me as a pathetic luser.
>Worse, though we had Christmas eve off, the Belgians didn't and I
>ended up working a post-lunch Central European day. I'll be sooo
>happy when Tuesday arrives. Until the next crisis.
>
>-rashmi

Both Tina and I worked. We'd rather use our vacation time when everyone
else is in the office, busting ass.

For me it's a chance to work when the place is quiet. I've been able to get
to all the, "nice to have" tasks. It's practically the only time of year
this opportunity is available.

Working during this time also gives me the chance to follow <the list>.

lisa

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Is there a way to call one phone from another on the same line?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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steph said:
> On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 03:16:30PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> = Tushar Samant said:
> = > Oh, I see, the latter are "more squat". There you go, that's the
> = > difference ...
> =
> = But then the photo that Steph posted was of half yard glasses. You
> = can't have it all ways at the same time, bud.
> =
> = Karen
>
> We've had a bit of discussion here, and Patrick says the only
> beer on the menu that you could order in the large size was Kwak.
> So either they've broken their rule and put Kwak in half yard
> glasses, or the possibility exists that in Belgium, when there's
> also Kwak on tap, so you're free to measure out what you wish,
> that there'd be large Kwak glasses.

Tushar's bar has Kwak on tap. Hopleaf, that's it.

Karen

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>
>But anyway, both these phones are about two years old at this
>point, so none of this is new tech, but it is euro tech.

Which means ahead of american tech?

lisa

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At 08:57 PM 12/28/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>Anyone else watching the big game?
>
>I bet that traitor Marie's rooting for the Giants ...
>
>-rashmi

J. E. T. S.

JETS JETS JETS!!!!!

Wahoo..

lisa
lifelong jets fan

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At 09:06 AM 12/30/2002 -0500, lisa wrote:

>The food network was in Tuscany yesterday. They featured a meal of chestnut
>polenta with sides of ricotta cheese and diced pancetta which had been
>fried in a bit of olive oil and balsamic vinegar.
>
>Normally I don't like polenta but this chestnut one looked fantastic.

Tuscan cooking uses nuts quite a bit.  Some people just don't like corn
meal in any form.  I like it as fried mush (I make my own--it's better than
the tube polenta in the stores).  Most of the flavored polenta in stores
doesn't attract me at all.  Lately, I've been using corn pasta---lends
itself well to peppers and beans.

cwv

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 06:42:15AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= steph said:
= > So either they've broken their rule and put Kwak in half yard
= > glasses, or the possibility exists that in Belgium, when there's
= > also Kwak on tap, so you're free to measure out what you wish,
= > that there'd be large Kwak glasses.
=
= Tushar's bar has Kwak on tap. Hopleaf, that's it.
=
= Karen

Well isn't that special.  But it's the Belgians who find putting
beer in an inappropriate glass sacrilegious, not the pragmatic
Chicagolanders.  Or the pragmatic Chicagolander would just not
pour you a larger Kwak than he had a glass for.

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= >But anyway, both these phones are about two years old at this
= >point, so none of this is new tech, but it is euro tech.
=
= Which means ahead of american tech?
=
= lisa

No, just different from.

I haven't a clue as to the state of cell phone technology in the
states, but that I do know that it is different from here.

Pretty much the only place my phone won't work is in the US.

The feature set is different on different phones, that's all.

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>        I don't normally overheat my house, but it feels nice and
>toasty tonight because I had the oven all day making goodies
>for church tomorrow.  And I made an interesting (and very
>easy) new Italian stew recipe for supper that came out quite
>yummy.

I had the same experience this weekend. We were going to a Christmas party
saturday night and I committed to making eggplant parm. For two hours I
sliced, dipped, coated, baked (although I love fried eggplant I don't make
it that way for weight reasons.. even on special occasions), layed,
cheesed, sauced and baked two trays of eggplant. The kitchen was
comfortably warm. The rest of the apartment benefited from it it somewhat.

Personally I like the house being cool. The downside to this is the hot
water for showers never gets to a good temperature. The other pitfall is
having to listen to Tina complain about how her parents kept a cold house
when she was a kid, something she swore she would never do. We have a
compromise. The house can be warm until bed time. The heat must be lowered
then or else I cannot sleep.

lisa

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>JETS JETS JETS!!!!!
>
>Wahoo..
>
>lisa
>lifelong jets fan

There are lots of happy fans this morning.  I'm happy because the
combination of Jets and Buccaneers wins significantly reduces the
likelihood of the 49ers having to go to Lambeau field.

Not that there's a lot of hope for Niners fans this year; they're playing
well, but not at a Superbowl level, and there are a lot of teams in the
playoffs that are playing at that level.

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Roy Jaques wrote:

> > What's the difference between being weird and being a nutter?
>
> Good point, there isn't a lot, but thinking about it you can't really be
> both. Weird people keep themselves to themselves, nutters will try to
> involve others or affect others with their strangeness.

Hmm.  I do see that distinction.  But I'm not sure that they're mutually
exclusive categories.  I can see "weird" as a larger category -- like
all nutters are weird, but not all weirdos are nutters.  Then again,
maybe not.  Maybe "weird" does exclude the nutters.

> >  And why
> > are shotguns exempt?
>
> In British law there is definition of a shotgun to separate the licence
> from other firearms. Shotguns are more a tool of the farmer, and used for
> shooting birds, rabbits and clay pigeons.

There's some kind of exemption of shotguns in Japanese law also, I
think.  I remember that something came up about hunting one time in one
of my "free conversation" groups, and I asked the students how there
could be hunting in gunless Japan -- whether it was just bow hunting or
some such.  The reply was that hunting with guns was in fact legal --
and something about the kinds of rifles.  ("Free conversation" did not
mean fluent conversation, btw.  Most of the participants could speak
little English, so not all info I gleaned in these conversations is
necessarily accurate.)

> > [didn't read the rest of your posting -- am very, very tired tonight and
> > just somehow couldn't get into gun readings]
> >
> It did get a little long didn't it.

Not long for gun people.

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http://www.dancestore.com/catglasses.html

I don't think I can get any of these, or similar.  Somewhere I have a
wedding picture of me in a plain black pair of them (1961)!

Ann

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>From: lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
>At 08:57 PM 12/28/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>>Anyone else watching the big game?
>>
>>I bet that traitor Marie's rooting for the Giants ...

No way. I'm still an Eagles fan. But...
>
>J. E. T. S.
>
>JETS JETS JETS!!!!!
>
>Wahoo..
>
>lisa
>lifelong jets fan

I was at the J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets game! Very exciting -- thanks to the
Pats!

I root for the Jets in general (after the Eagles, of course), but yesterday
it was nice that all my homies down in Philly were also rooting for the Jets
-- the Jets win gives Philly home field advantage over Green Bay, something
one very much wants to have. I don't see any reason why Philly can't beat
Green Bay. Favre is awesome, but there's not that much else going on there.
Unless the Eagles that showed up on Sunday appear again. An all-green
(Eagles/Jets) Super Bowl is something I'd very much like to see. This year?

Marie


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alyce cresap wrote:

> It's spelled right. Natalie--just say Lily. I am not convinced it is a

I said something like "I called it a plant in the thank-you note, but
maybe I should have said "lily" -- or "lilies."  Whatever I said was ok,
though.

My current project is trying to confirm that I've got the right first
name of the wife of my childhood next-door neighbor.  The web hasn't
helped.  I'm still working on it.  For some reason the card said "Mayor
and Mrs." instead of first names.  I don't want to write "Dear Harry and
Whatshername" but don't want to write the wrong name.  I've finally
straightened out the obituary foul-up, I hope.  It never made it to the
Hville paper.  Either that or the Hville paper got it and lost it.  My
guess is the former -- that the funeral home person screwed up the
faxing.  But it's being refaxed, plus my e-mail copy of the obituary
from the Jackson paper.  So I'm clicking off duties.  Just went by the
ss office to give them the info since that was easier than holding the
phone in my hands for hours and hours and hours and hours -- both the
national and the local phone numbers were busy, with recordings saying
to call back (and once again go through the hour-long menu game).

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> I don't think I can get any of these, or similar.  Somewhere I have a
> wedding picture of me in a plain black pair of them (1961)!

They're calling these "cat's eye" too.  If these are also cat's eye, then
I don't get the concept:

http://tinyurl.com/3xhw

Ann

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>From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM>.  I can't
>find a low-temperature recipe, but I wonder if your meat-temperature target
>isn't a bit low---most books I've seen recommend 75-80 C.

Espen, why do you want to cook it at a low heat? I used Barbara Kafka's high
heat method on my tgiving bird, and it worked awesomely -- moist meat
browned skin. 500 F baby! (260 C)

Marie

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lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> >I remember when I was a kid that we could call one of our phones
> >from the other by dialing "11911."  It would be nice to have that
> >now in case one of us went outside with one of the phones.
>
> That was my brother's alarm clock. My mother would use the call back

Ever since Evelyn posted that, I've been wondering about that last 1.
I'm almost positive that what I called was just 1191.

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Ann Borkin said:
> http://www.dancestore.com/catglasses.html
>
> I don't think I can get any of these, or similar.

Why?

Karen

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We're supposed to be talking about basketball now.  Go Dawgs!  But the
Lady Dawgs were upset by somebody a couple of days ago.
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In a message dated 12/30/2002 10:35:33 AM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
Ever since Evelyn posted that, I've been wondering about that last 1.
I'm almost positive that what I called was just 1191.


>>

I doubt either number will work now.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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Ann Borkin said:
> > I don't think I can get any of these, or similar.  Somewhere I have a
> > wedding picture of me in a plain black pair of them (1961)!
>
> They're calling these "cat's eye" too.  If these are also cat's eye, then
> I don't get the concept:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3xhw

Because they narrow at the outer ends--but this is a big stretch, IMO.

Karen
doyenne of fashion

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I believe I have Tushar to thank for this word. It turned up in
"Stranger in a Strange Land" and it works in The Game.

Karen

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On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Karen Kay wrote:

> Ann Borkin said:
> > http://www.dancestore.com/catglasses.html
> >
> > I don't think I can get any of these, or similar.
>
> Why?

Because every time I come across pictures with me in those glasses I think
GEEZ I don't think those were a very good idea.

Sunglasses, sure.  But I think I want quite a bit less RIM.

Maybe very small rimless ones, slightly tinted?

Ann

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On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Because they narrow at the outer ends--but this is a big stretch, IMO.

I have sunglasses very like these.  These are more possible, I think.

Ann

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Ann Borkin said:
> On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Ann Borkin said:
> > > http://www.dancestore.com/catglasses.html
> > >
> > > I don't think I can get any of these, or similar.
> >
> > Why?
>
> Because every time I come across pictures with me in those glasses I think
> GEEZ I don't think those were a very good idea.
>
> Sunglasses, sure.  But I think I want quite a bit less RIM.
>
> Maybe very small rimless ones, slightly tinted?

Sounds good.

When we were in Chicago, I saw some pictures of me in cat-eye
glasses, and I agree with you. They look good on young people where
they can be recognized as retro, but if you wear them, a lot of people
won't get the humor.

Karen

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Ann Borkin said:
> On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Because they narrow at the outer ends--but this is a big stretch, IMO.
>
> I have sunglasses very like these.  These are more possible, I think.

But far less worth it.

Karen

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lisa alfieri writes,

>However, what's the "happy" medium? How do we get the information we need
>from those who possess it?

Well, for starters, let's review the Geneva Convention
<http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm>:

* Every prisoner of war, when questioned on the subject, is bound to give
only his surname, first names and rank, date of birth, and army,
regimental, personal or serial number, or failing this, equivalent information.

* No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be
inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind
whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened,
insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any
kind.

So know that you're breaking or subverting very important international
codes of conduct to go beyond that.

Assuming your moral compass allows you to continue, I think you still have
to be guided by the Golden Rule.  How much are you willing to have your
soldiers and officers mistreated by the enemy in the pursuit of
information?  That's the line to stop at, or a little before.  If you don't
stop there, you have no grounds for complaining when it happens to your people.

If that doesn't extract enough information from prisoners, so be it --
figure out how to do better surveillance elsewhere, instead.

Pete

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>http://www.dancestore.com/catglasses.html
>
>I don't think I can get any of these, or similar.  Somewhere I have a
>wedding picture of me in a plain black pair of them (1961)!

If you're serious about wanting some, try the glasses shops in the
trendy neighborhoods (South Beach, Hayes Valley, the Mission). This
sort of thing is all the thing amongst the young-n-arty set.

Janet

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>  > I don't think I can get any of these, or similar.  Somewhere I have a
>>  wedding picture of me in a plain black pair of them (1961)!
>
>They're calling these "cat's eye" too.  If these are also cat's eye, then
>I don't get the concept:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/3xhw

Naah, those aren't cat's eye. Cats-eye glasses point upward at the
corners. Those are just plain glasses, of a shape that's very common
right now. (I was trying to buy a new pair of sunglasses the other
day in the shape I usually prefer, and there were none to be had --
just ones that looked like the ones in that picture.)

Janet

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> If you're serious about wanting some, try the glasses shops in the
> trendy neighborhoods (South Beach, Hayes Valley, the Mission). This
> sort of thing is all the thing amongst the young-n-arty set.

Yeah, Karen diagnosed my problem:  I think I'm likely to look like I've
been wearing the same glasses for 40 years.

Ann

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>  > If you're serious about wanting some, try the glasses shops in the
>>  trendy neighborhoods (South Beach, Hayes Valley, the Mission). This
>>  sort of thing is all the thing amongst the young-n-arty set.
>
>Yeah, Karen diagnosed my problem:  I think I'm likely to look like I've
>been wearing the same glasses for 40 years.

<nod> Although then perhaps people would admire you for not being a
slave to fashion. My friend Cheryl has been wearing the same pair of
wire-rims since the mid-'70s.

Janet

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Ann Borkin said:
> > If you're serious about wanting some, try the glasses shops in the
> > trendy neighborhoods (South Beach, Hayes Valley, the Mission). This
> > sort of thing is all the thing amongst the young-n-arty set.
>
> Yeah, Karen diagnosed my problem:  I think I'm likely to look like I've
> been wearing the same glasses for 40 years.

I ran into this problem when I colored my hair blue. It wasn't all
blue, it was kind of streaked, and instead of looking arty, people
assumed it was an accident. Obviously, I need to work on my image.

Karen

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Janet Hardy said:
> <nod> Although then perhaps people would admire you for not being a
> slave to fashion. My friend Cheryl has been wearing the same pair of
> wire-rims since the mid-'70s.

But wire-rims are <classic>; they've never *really* gone out of style.

Karen

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 08:22:57PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Tushar Samant said:
> > Yesterday I walked around a bit, in consideration of the fact
> > that it snowed seriously for the first time. It was lovely. As
> > I walked past my favorite Thai place I gave in and walked in and
> > got food to go. It was lovely.
>
> I saw this place!

No, that's another place ... actuallyu, what the hell, "you
saw this place".

> > thing you just ate or drank, you will have only one general
> > sentiment: Germany is great. Or: France is great or England
> > is great, Ireland is great, Italy is great, Belgium is great,
> > Greece is great, Sweden is great, Poland is great (pretty much,
> > Israel is the only nation to hate).
>
> What about falafel?

It's not a country, K-R-N.

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 04:41:41PM +0100, steph wrote:
> Well isn't that special.  But it's the Belgians who find putting
> beer in an inappropriate glass sacrilegious, not the pragmatic
> Chicagolanders.  Or the pragmatic Chicagolander would just not
> pour you a larger Kwak than he had a glass for.

"Pragmatic Chicagolanders" don't drink or pour Kwak. Could we all
be clear on the point that in Pragmatic Chicagoland, dealing in
small imports of foreign beer is a SNOTTY thing? And do you under-
stand what snotty means? Paying excessive attention to "inappropriate"
and "sacrilegious".

This list has no sociological skillz

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> http://www.dancestore.com/catglasses.html
>
> I don't think I can get any of these, or similar.  Somewhere I have a
> wedding picture of me in a plain black pair of them (1961)!

These are the ones you need:

http://www.dancestore.com/images/glassescheckered.jpg

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 01:04:12PM +0100, steph wrote:
> = between the ugly autocad-assembled half-yard glasses standing on the
> = table in front of a couple of dumb ass frat boys, and the carefully
>
> If they're European, are they dumb ass frat boys, or something
> else?

This is a very good question, actually. Well posed, "Steph". What
is the category in Europe that corresponds to frat-boy?

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 08:15:16PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > Get cat's-eye glasses, Dr Borkin. But not the dumb ones ...
>
> Tell me which glasses to get, please.

It depends on your facial features. Can we see a recent picture?

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> If that doesn't extract enough information from prisoners, so be it --
> figure out how to do better surveillance elsewhere, instead.

I've always wondered about how reliable info from prisoners is anyway,
especially pows.

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11:25 30.12.2002 -0500 skrev Marie Ascher:
>>From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM>.  I can't
>>find a low-temperature recipe, but I wonder if your meat-temperature target
>>isn't a bit low---most books I've seen recommend 75-80 C.
>
>Espen, why do you want to cook it at a low heat? I used Barbara Kafka's high
>heat method on my tgiving bird, and it worked awesomely -- moist meat
>browned skin. 500 F baby! (260 C)

Hmm. How long per pound or kilo?

Espen

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 08:26:00AM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> http://www.dancestore.com/catglasses.html
>
> I don't think I can get any of these, or similar.  Somewhere I have a
> wedding picture of me in a plain black pair of them (1961)!

In that case you are way ahead of me. Do as the heart dictates ...
I have retired.

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 08:22:57PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Tushar Samant said:
> > > Yesterday I walked around a bit, in consideration of the fact
> > > that it snowed seriously for the first time. It was lovely. As
> > > I walked past my favorite Thai place I gave in and walked in and
> > > got food to go. It was lovely.
> >
> > I saw this place!
>
> No, that's another place ... actuallyu, what the hell, "you
> saw this place".

Okay. I thought you said it was your favorite Thai place. Whatever--I
can't remember the name anyway.

I'm still gelous (hi, Lucia!) of your neighborhood.

> > > thing you just ate or drank, you will have only one general
> > > sentiment: Germany is great. Or: France is great or England
> > > is great, Ireland is great, Italy is great, Belgium is great,
> > > Greece is great, Sweden is great, Poland is great (pretty much,
> > > Israel is the only nation to hate).
> >
> > What about falafel?
>
> It's not a country, K-R-N.

Er, no. But most of the falafel makers I've known are Israeli, so I
don't hate Israel when I eat their falafel.

Karen

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 08:31:11AM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > I don't think I can get any of these, or similar.  Somewhere I have a
> > wedding picture of me in a plain black pair of them (1961)!
>
> They're calling these "cat's eye" too.  If these are also cat's eye, then
> I don't get the concept:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3xhw

That shape with a visible rim would be nice. But someone I know
wore sungalsses of this type and they looked horrible--which was
my first realization that the shape of the face plays an important
role.

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 08:34:14AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> I believe I have Tushar to thank for this word.

Just make a list of what not to thank me for and post it
on the 31st, please

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 01:04:12PM +0100, steph wrote:
> > = between the ugly autocad-assembled half-yard glasses standing on the
> > = table in front of a couple of dumb ass frat boys, and the carefully
> >
> > If they're European, are they dumb ass frat boys, or something
> > else?
>
> This is a very good question, actually. Well posed, "Steph". What
> is the category in Europe that corresponds to frat-boy?

I think it spans continents.

Karen

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08:40 30.12.2002 -0500 skrev clyde w. voigtlander:
>At 02:15 PM 12/30/2002 +0100, espen wrote:
>>Tomorrow I plan to cook turkey for the first time. I plan to do a low
>>temperature cooking in the oven (about 90 C). The bird is 6 1/2 kg, how
>>long should I expect it to take if I aim at a meat temperature of about 65 C?
>
>I've never roasted a turkey, so this is hearsay/cookbook stuff.  I can't
>find a low-temperature recipe, but I wonder if your meat-temperature target
>isn't a bit low---most books I've seen recommend 75-80 C.
>
>You might find the URL below helpful:
>
>http://www.honeysucklewhite.com/all_about_turkey/preparation_choices/roasting.html

Thank you! I found here also the high temperature cooking Marie mentioned.

Hmmmm. Decisions, decisions. According to my Greek cookbook the Greek way is slow and low.

Espen

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On 30 Dec 2002 at 8:26, Ann Borkin wrote:

> I don't think I can get any of these, or similar.

Good. It's the last thing you need.


     mem

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 10:43:14AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > sentiment: Germany is great. Or: France is great or England
> > > > is great, Ireland is great, Italy is great, Belgium is great,
> > > > Greece is great, Sweden is great, Poland is great (pretty much,
> > > > Israel is the only nation to hate).
> > >
> > > What about falafel?
> >
> > It's not a country, K-R-N.
>
> Er, no. But most of the falafel makers I've known are Israeli, so I
> don't hate Israel when I eat their falafel.

Have you tried their wine?

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On 30 Dec 2002 at 8:57, lisa alfieri wrote:

> How do we get the information we need
> from those who possess it?

Since we're all good Republican capitalists now, let's just buy it.


    mem

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From: "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@noxiousweeds.net>
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On 30 Dec 2002 at 8:57, Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Well, for starters, let's review the Geneva Convention
> <http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm>:

Which we conveniently get around by creating the fiction that
they're not actually prisoners of war.


> If that doesn't extract enough information from prisoners, so be it --
> figure out how to do better surveillance elsewhere, instead.

Amen.

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 12:44:36PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
= On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 04:41:41PM +0100, steph wrote:
= > Well isn't that special.  But it's the Belgians who find putting
= > beer in an inappropriate glass sacrilegious, not the pragmatic
= > Chicagolanders.  Or the pragmatic Chicagolander would just not
= > pour you a larger Kwak than he had a glass for.
=
= "Pragmatic Chicagolanders" don't drink or pour Kwak. Could we all
= be clear on the point that in Pragmatic Chicagoland, dealing in
= small imports of foreign beer is a SNOTTY thing? And do you under-
= stand what snotty means? Paying excessive attention to "inappropriate"
= and "sacrilegious".
=

Ok.  Whatever.

= This list has no sociological skillz

No, just I have no social skills these days.  Or possibly ever.
And yes, I am a snotty brat.  And no, the Belgians are just
Belgian.  You know how that goes.

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 10:43:14AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > > sentiment: Germany is great. Or: France is great or England
> > > > > is great, Ireland is great, Italy is great, Belgium is great,
> > > > > Greece is great, Sweden is great, Poland is great (pretty much,
> > > > > Israel is the only nation to hate).
> > > >
> > > > What about falafel?
> > >
> > > It's not a country, K-R-N.
> >
> > Er, no. But most of the falafel makers I've known are Israeli, so I
> > don't hate Israel when I eat their falafel.
>
> Have you tried their wine?

Not that I remember.

Karen

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 11:33:23AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > > > sentiment: Germany is great. Or: France is great or England
> > > > > > is great, Ireland is great, Italy is great, Belgium is great,
> > > > > > Greece is great, Sweden is great, Poland is great (pretty much,
> > > > > > Israel is the only nation to hate).
> > > > >
> > > > > What about falafel?
> > > >
> > > > It's not a country, K-R-N.
> > >
> > > Er, no. But most of the falafel makers I've known are Israeli, so I
> > > don't hate Israel when I eat their falafel.
> >
> > Have you tried their wine?
>
> Not that I remember.

Yeah, it wipes out memory too

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 02:03:27PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > Have you tried their wine?
> >
> > Not that I remember.
>
> Yeah, it wipes out memory too

Sometimes, even T Bone is sincere. See this, for instance,
about wines made in Israel:

<http://www.yakshaya.com/000-15.htm>

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 11:33:23AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > > > > sentiment: Germany is great. Or: France is great or England
> > > > > > > is great, Ireland is great, Italy is great, Belgium is great,
> > > > > > > Greece is great, Sweden is great, Poland is great (pretty much,
> > > > > > > Israel is the only nation to hate).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What about falafel?
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not a country, K-R-N.
> > > >
> > > > Er, no. But most of the falafel makers I've known are Israeli, so I
> > > > don't hate Israel when I eat their falafel.
> > >
> > > Have you tried their wine?
> >
> > Not that I remember.
>
> Yeah, it wipes out memory too

Well, yes. If you drink enough.

Karen

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lisa alfieri said:
> I'm with you Natalie... I hate it. Christmas shopping is a nightmare. In
> order to be comfortable one has to wear a t shirt under her winter jacket,
> ditch the coat in the car, hustle from the parking lot to the closest mall
> entrance and try to shop for a huge, long list, without breaking into a sweat.
>
> Glad it's over..

This was my first present-free Christmas ever. And of course it
really wasn't--I got presents from two friends. I liked it.

Karen

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>
>Note that I didn't suggest that it had to do with getting sick.  Karen
>made that suggestion.  I just don't like the way it feels.  It strikes
>me as weird to be inside places that are hotter in winter than they
>would be in summer.  Not just weird but also a bit nauseating -- though
>I don't mean that literally in the sense of vomiting.  Iow, I am not
>associating overheated Yankee buildings with illness -- just with
>unpleasantness.
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I'm with you Natalie... I hate it. Christmas shopping is a nightmare. In
order to be comfortable one has to wear a t shirt under her winter jacket,
ditch the coat in the car, hustle from the parking lot to the closest mall
entrance and try to shop for a huge, long list, without breaking into a sweat.

Glad it's over..

lisa

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> These are the ones you need:
>
> http://www.dancestore.com/images/glassescheckered.jpg

I like those quite a bit, actually.  I don't think they ever looked that
good in the 50's-60's.

Ann

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> It depends on your facial features. Can we see a recent picture?

Oh just imagine an elderly Janeane Garofolo.

Ann

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>  > It depends on your facial features. Can we see a recent picture?
>
>Oh just imagine an elderly Janeane Garofolo.

Ann, you are toying with poor Tushar's affections again.

Janet

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Karen Kay wrote:

> This was my first present-free Christmas ever. And of course it
> really wasn't--I got presents from two friends. I liked it.

Liked not shopping or liked not receiving or liked the presents from the
two friends or all of the above?  I kind of like xmas shopping when I
have time and when I find appropriate things.  And it didn't bother me
in the least that I received no xmas presents this year (unless my
RRB&SIL find that lost gift card someday, which I doubt that they
will).  I did, of course, receive at least twenty calendars plus a bunch
of wrapping paper and stuff and a xmas mug and probably some other
things I'm forgetting.  I really wish charitable causes wouldn't spend
their money on such gifts, even though I did use some of the wrapping
paper and always use a couple of the calendars.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 12:26:42PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Janet Hardy wrote:
>
> > >Oh just imagine an elderly Janeane Garofolo.
> >
> > Ann, you are toying with poor Tushar's affections again.
>
> Jeez can't anybody on this list tell the difference between flirting and
> toying?

WRONG

It's "what am I doing on a list where nobody can ..."

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 12:20:42PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > It depends on your facial features. Can we see a recent picture?
>
> Oh just imagine an elderly Janeane Garofolo.

I was right all along ... type "janeane" in images.google.com.
The best glasses for you pre-modelled!

As to anyone who splits hair about retro or not-retro ... fuck'em

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On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Tushar Samant wrote:
> The best glasses for you pre-modelled!
>
I did that , and while I was looking at the picture, The Firm's
"Technology Usage Policy" popped up at the bottom of my screen!

I am seriously creeped now, waiting for the knock on my (closed for
privacy) door.

Ann

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > These are the ones you need:
> >
> > http://www.dancestore.com/images/glassescheckered.jpg
>
> I like those quite a bit, actually.  I don't think they ever looked that
> good in the 50's-60's.

Get 'em!  And wear them to Acadiafest.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Liked not shopping or liked not receiving or liked the presents from the
> two friends or all of the above?

Liked not even thinking about Christmas presents. I liked the presents
from the friends, but I would have been happy not to get them, too.

Karen

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Dr Borkin cannot toy with me! It is I who hold the reins to
Dr Borkin's ... uhm, fine Janeane Garofalo nostrils

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On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Janet Hardy wrote:

> >Oh just imagine an elderly Janeane Garofolo.
>
> Ann, you are toying with poor Tushar's affections again.
>
Jeez can't anybody on this list tell the difference between flirting and
toying?

Ann

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> > I feel like somebody turned over my rock, I'm going to scurry back into
> > some cool dark place and think it over.
> What did you decide?

We drove to the Delta.  We bought some zinfandel from a man in a garage;
then we bought some more from a woman in a chai.  (Definition found here:
http://www.internationalrecipesonline.com/recipes/dictionary.pl?1407 )

We saw large black bunches of grapes hanging on old black vines, unpicked
and weathering.  We saw these several places.  The man said they were
Tokay grapes that nobody wants any more (table grapes, probably with
seeds).  The sturdy old vine roots will be capped with more fashionable
grapes, eventually.  These rows looked very sinister under the gathering
clouds.

(I included the chai definition because I never heard that word before)

Ann

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On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Dr Borkin cannot toy with me! It is I who hold the reins to
> Dr Borkin's ... uhm, fine Janeane Garofalo nostrils

WRONG!  That would be against my Firm's Technology Usage Policy!

Dr. B

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 12:42:46PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > The best glasses for you pre-modelled!
>
> I did that , and while I was looking at the picture, The Firm's
> "Technology Usage Policy" popped up at the bottom of my screen!

Use of the internet for flirtational purposes is strictly disallowed!

> I am seriously creeped now, waiting for the knock on my (closed for
> privacy) door.

We have lost her! Borkin, can you hear me?

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>On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 01:04:12PM +0100, steph wrote:
> > = between the ugly autocad-assembled half-yard glasses standing on the
> > = table in front of a couple of dumb ass frat boys, and the carefully
> >
> > If they're European, are they dumb ass frat boys, or something
> > else?
>
>This is a very good question, actually. Well posed, "Steph". What
>is the category in Europe that corresponds to frat-boy?

Eurotrash? Not precisely the same thing but ...


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> We have lost her! Borkin, can you hear me?

Just barely!  They are holding me down and taking pictures of me for the
Technology Miscreant & Floozy Report!

Now I'm going to need new glasses for disguisement purposes.

Ann

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>From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@NB.NO>
> >Espen, why do you want to cook it at a low heat? I used Barbara Kafka's
>high
> >heat method on my tgiving bird, and it worked awesomely -- moist meat
> >browned skin. 500 F baby! (260 C)
>
>Hmm. How long per pound or kilo?

Here's the info:

http://www.leitesculinaria.com/recipes/roast_turkey.html

The only other thing I did was brine it overnight first.

Marie
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 12:45:35PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
= On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 01:04:12PM +0100, steph wrote:
= > = between the ugly autocad-assembled half-yard glasses standing on the
= > = table in front of a couple of dumb ass frat boys, and the carefully
= >
= > If they're European, are they dumb ass frat boys, or something
= > else?
=
= This is a very good question, actually. Well posed, "Steph". What
= is the category in Europe that corresponds to frat-boy?

It may just be "student".

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 12:53:58PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Dr Borkin cannot toy with me! It is I who hold the reins to
> > Dr Borkin's ... uhm, fine Janeane Garofalo nostrils
>
> WRONG!  That would be against my Firm's Technology Usage Policy!
>
> Dr. B

This TUPing has gotten out of control!

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 01:02:30PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > We have lost her! Borkin, can you hear me?
>
> Just barely!  They are holding me down and taking pictures of me for the
> Technology Miscreant & Floozy Report!

I thought the correct phrase was "beat on me playfully"
or some such?

> Now I'm going to need new glasses for disguisement purposes.

This is the worst "flooze" I have ever heard attempted!

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Ann Borkin said:
> We drove to the Delta.  We bought some zinfandel from a man in a garage;
> then we bought some more from a woman in a chai.  (Definition found here:
> http://www.internationalrecipesonline.com/recipes/dictionary.pl?1407 )

Thank you for forestallling my query.

> We saw large black bunches of grapes hanging on old black vines, unpicked
> and weathering.  We saw these several places.  The man said they were
> Tokay grapes that nobody wants any more (table grapes, probably with
> seeds).  The sturdy old vine roots will be capped with more fashionable
> grapes, eventually.  These rows looked very sinister under the gathering
> clouds.

I bet.

I like eating wine grapes, even with seeds.

> (I included the chai definition because I never heard that word before)

Ah.

Karen

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Come on, y'all.  Talk about basketball.  We're now #8.  Not bad.  And
the Lady Dawgs dropped only one slot after being upset, from 14 to 15.
(These are the cnn numbers.  I realize there are other polls.)
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    fair-weather friend who pays no attention in foul (npi) times

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I don't know if any actually touched down, but it was pretty exciting
to see them start forming in the sky.

Karen

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> Personally I like the house being cool. The downside to this is the hot
> water for showers never gets to a good temperature. The other pitfall is
> having to listen to Tina complain about how her parents kept a cold house
> when she was a kid, something she swore she would never do. We have a
> compromise. The house can be warm until bed time. The heat must be lowered
> then or else I cannot sleep.

I generally keep my thermostats set at 65 when I'm home, and if I remember,
I turn them down to 60 at night.  These room-by-room electric thermostats
don't seem to be very accurate, though - I need to invest in some indoor
thermometers so I can gauge it more accurately. My electric bill was $105
for this past month. Electric heat is not fun.

I grew up in a cold house, too, and it sucked bigtime. I've found, however,
that I don't like it when it's too warm. YMMV.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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At 10:38 AM 12/30/2002 -0600, natalie wrote:
>We're supposed to be talking about basketball now.

Stifle yourself.  It is still football season.  College BB doesn't start
getting serious until late January.

cwv

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Skrev Lisa:
> I'm with you Natalie... I hate it. Christmas shopping is a nightmare. In
> order to be comfortable one has to wear a t shirt under her winter jacket,
> ditch the coat in the car, hustle from the parking lot to the closest mall
> entrance and try to shop for a huge, long list, without breaking
> into a sweat.

I was Very Proud of myself that I remembered to ditch the coat in the car
before my four hour safari at Holyoke Mall.

I was prouder, however, that I managed to untwist my half-twisted driver's
seat belt while waiting for the mall to open. I don't know how I managed to
twist it in the first place but it was infuriating, and very difficult to
detangle.

> Glad it's over..

Me, too.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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clyde w. voigtlander said:
> At 10:38 AM 12/30/2002 -0600, natalie wrote:
> >We're supposed to be talking about basketball now.
>
> Stifle yourself.  It is still football season.  College BB doesn't start
> getting serious until late January.

I thought it was early March...

Karen

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I'm back - briefly - I go to Atlanta Thursday morning (LSA).

Bethany

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At 05:12 PM 12/30/2002 -0800, karen wrote:

>I thought it was early March...

In a sense, there are three seasons of college BB.  The early one, with the
holiday tournaments and a lot of "powers" beating up on cupcakes.  Some
perennial powers also schedule a few games against other (non-conference)
powers then.  Next comes the conference season; champions of major
conferences typically get a bid to the NCAA tournament (the Big Dance) in
March.  The conference season also tends to expose those teams who built
flashy records early against weak opponents.  Then finally the Big Dance.

Right now, we're still in Season 1---sometimes entertaining, but difficult
to take seriously (unless of course you are in Kentucky when UK and
Louisville play).  Right, Brad?

cwv

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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You crack me *up*, man.  Thanks :).

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Rita Chapman said:
> You crack me *up*, man.  Thanks :).

Explain, please.

Karen

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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We went up to 67 degrees today according to the thermostat
in my car.  I took Ana and Vinnie to Columbia Bottoms, which
is a wildlife area at the confluence of the Mississippi and
Missouri Rivers.  When Karo I explored it this past spring,
it was almost completely undeveloped.  Nothing was marked,
and you had to sort of find the levee to hike on or tromp
through the croplands, which were unplanted due to flooding,
in the general direction of what you thought might be where
the rivers meet.  We never found the actual confluence
because it was still flooded in that area, but we had a
great time and saw lots of meadowlarks, and Vinnie even
flushed a pheasant.

Today we got out there, and it is officially closed due to
construction, but a man coming out as we were going in said
nobody minded him being there today; only the surveyors were
working.  In fact, a while later we ran across the
department of conservation guy, and he waved and smiled at
us.  It is a completely changed place.  They've leveled the
top of the levee so that it has a flat crushed stone
surface, and there is a paved road running through the
croplands (not finished yet).  Ana and Vinnie had a lovely
time running through the mud and big puddles -- Ana is
turning into an A-1 hiking companion -- and the paths down
to the Missouri are being marked by three little parking
spaces!  Karo and I sank up to our knees in mud last year
trying to get to the riverbank.  I have mixed feelings.  On
one hand, it was a much less rugged hike, and the surface of
the levee is lovely for running on, but on the other hand it
doesn't have the wild feel it used to, and I'm hoping it
remains relatively undiscovered.  It is being developed in
conjunction with all the work being done on the bike trail
that runs along the Mississippi and over the Chain of Rocks
Bridge onto Chouteau Island (another favorite spot of mine,
also relatively undiscovered, but I didn't want to risk the
station wagon getting stuck in the mud getting to the canal
road).

Oh, and Ana and I saw a mature bald eagle today.  She thinks
this is ho-hum, but it always stuns me.
--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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...Our favorite list movie is on Sunday night at 8 EST on TNT. I've never
seen it.

For those of you who don't know what it's about, here's the blurb from
tvguide.com (copied without permission):

Dustin Hoffman stars as an Army virologist in this 1995 thriller, which is
so well-acted and breathlessly paced that it rises above its implausible
script.
Hoffman and a team of scientists (Rene Russo, Kevin Spacey, Cuba Gooding
Jr.) are desperately trying to contain the spread of a killer virus. The
epidemic has decimated a small California town, and the scientists realize
that they cannot find a cure until they locate the source of the
disease---an infected African monkey. But first they must get past a
military officer (Donald Sutherland) whose solution is to incinerate the
town and everyone in it.

--Adam

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On 30 Dec 2002 at 20:14, Rita Chapman wrote:

> You crack me *up*, man.  Thanks :).
>

My pleasure.


    mem

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Events scheduled for New Years Eve leave me reeling...  The next huge
protest in Caracas is scheduled for that drunken overnight.  Chavez still
has military backing.  'Alano

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Adam Hartfield said:
> Dustin Hoffman stars as an Army virologist in this 1995 thriller, which is
> so well-acted and breathlessly paced that it rises above its implausible
> script.

Oh, pulllease!!!!

> Hoffman and a team of scientists (Rene Russo, Kevin Spacey, Cuba Gooding
> Jr.) are desperately trying to contain the spread of a killer virus. The

Wow! I don't even remember KS or CGJ.

Don't get TNT.

Karen

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> Wow! I don't even remember KS or CGJ.

Is it worth watching? Should we have an IRC channel link up so we can
critique it in real time?

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> I was Very Proud of myself that I remembered to ditch the coat in the car
> before my four hour safari at Holyoke Mall.

Why did you have the coat in the first place to be ditched in the car?
Wasn't it just as close from your apartment to your car as from your car
to the mall?  Even if it's 10 degrees outside, I don't wear a coat
unless I'm going to be tromping around pretty far outside.  I'd rather
be cold going from house to car and from car to office or car to store
or whatever than have to fool with a coat.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> Right now, we're still in Season 1---sometimes entertaining, but difficult
> to take seriously (unless of course you are in Kentucky when UK and
> Louisville play).  Right, Brad?

And me since I'm only a fair-weather friend, and this cupcake season may
be the only time we win any games.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> ...Our favorite list movie is on Sunday night at 8 EST on TNT. I've never
> seen it.

My gosh!  I thought you were A Real Wordsler!  You've gotta watch it.
Great movie.  Please pay careful attention to the ripping of Casey's
outfit and to the whereabouts of the dogs when Robin has to leave them
to go fight the outbreak.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
> Is it worth watching?

Yes.

> Should we have an IRC channel link up so we can
> critique it in real time?

No.  I can't watch it and be near the computer at the same time.  Just
pay careful attention while watching it so that we can have a long and
meaningful post-watching list discussion.

--
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Adam Hartfield said:
> > Wow! I don't even remember KS or CGJ.
>
> Is it worth watching? Should we have an IRC channel link up so we can
> critique it in real time?

LOL. I'd do that if I got the channel.

It was good enough that I saw it before it was a Words-L Movie.

It's a Hollywood movie.

Natalie will tell you that the dogs are amazing.:)

Karen

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> Why did you have the coat in the first place to be ditched in the car?

The car was cold - it'd been sitting in 20-degree weather overnight.

> Wasn't it just as close from your apartment to your car as from your car
> to the mall?

No, I was able to park much closer to my apartment.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
> > You crack me *up*, man.  Thanks :).
>
> Explain, please.

I think they're flirting again.

Ann

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Adam Hartfield said:
> > Why did you have the coat in the first place to be ditched in the car?
>
> The car was cold - it'd been sitting in 20-degree weather overnight.

Do you have heated seats? I love those.

Karen

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Ann Borkin said:
> On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Rita Chapman said:
> > > You crack me *up*, man.  Thanks :).
> >
> > Explain, please.
>
> I think they're flirting again.

Oh.

Hey, Ligniere phoned me. I was shocked at how clear he sounded. I
mean, it was just like he was in the same room. Those transatlantic
phone calls are sumpthin' else.

Karen

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Adam Hartfield said:
> My electric bill was $105
> for this past month. Electric heat is not fun.

No. How much is your normal electric bill?

> I grew up in a cold house, too, and it sucked bigtime. I've found, however,
> that I don't like it when it's too warm. YMMV.

I don't like it when it's stuffy.

Karen

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 09:22:25PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Adam Hartfield wrote:
> >
> > ...Our favorite list movie is on Sunday night at 8 EST on TNT. I've never
> > seen it.
>
> My gosh!  I thought you were A Real Wordsler!  You've gotta watch it.
> Great movie.  Please pay careful attention to the ripping of Casey's
> outfit and to the whereabouts of the dogs when Robin has to leave them
> to go fight the outbreak.

FORGET the dogs!!!!! Jeeze!

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 09:22:25PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > >
> > > ...Our favorite list movie is on Sunday night at 8 EST on TNT. I've never
> > > seen it.
> >
> > My gosh!  I thought you were A Real Wordsler!  You've gotta watch it.
> > Great movie.  Please pay careful attention to the ripping of Casey's
> > outfit and to the whereabouts of the dogs when Robin has to leave them
> > to go fight the outbreak.
>
> FORGET the dogs!!!!! Jeeze!

I will bet cash money that the suit ripped around the cord and that
Natalie is wrong that "the hung cord pulled the back of his pants off
far enough for the ebola to have zoomed into the <butt> area."

Any takers?

Karen

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>...Our favorite list movie is on Sunday night at 8 EST on TNT. I've never
>seen it.

>--Adam

Well, this subject header should serve to drive Nealykins away for another
year or two... :-)

Ken Miller
OM Supreme Champion School of Marathon Pursuits

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 08:59:27PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Tushar Samant said:
> > On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 09:22:25PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > > Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ...Our favorite list movie is on Sunday night at 8 EST on TNT. I've never
> > > > seen it.
> > >
> > > My gosh!  I thought you were A Real Wordsler!  You've gotta watch it.
> > > Great movie.  Please pay careful attention to the ripping of Casey's
> > > outfit and to the whereabouts of the dogs when Robin has to leave them
> > > to go fight the outbreak.
> >
> > FORGET the dogs!!!!! Jeeze!
>
> I will bet cash money that the suit ripped around the cord and that
> Natalie is wrong that "the hung cord pulled the back of his pants off
> far enough for the ebola to have zoomed into the <butt> area."
>
> Any takers?

Of course not, considering it's the least interesting aspect
of the movie. Anyway the answer was always clear--"by the
pricking of my thumbs"

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=
= Hey, Ligniere phoned me. I was shocked at how clear he sounded. I
= mean, it was just like he was in the same room. Those transatlantic
= phone calls are sumpthin' else.
=
= Karen

Nana ask of my whereabouts almost every time I call her for just
this reason.  She is sure I'm playing a trick and am just around
the corner.  Calls used to go regularly via the satellite, and
this is cruddy sounding.  They always seem to be going via the
cable now.  The geek website over the cables is :
http://cryptome.org/cable-eyeball.htm

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steph writes,

>Calls used to go regularly via the satellite, and this is cruddy
>sounding.  They always seem to be going via the cable now.

The fiber optic cables have huge amounts of capacity.

Pete

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Two sad stories forwarded in separate messages on another list:

Husband arrested at Portland, Oregon airport for questioning security
screener's examination of his pregnant wife's breasts:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/monahan1.html

Ideologically correct statements replace earlier health advice on National
Cancer Institute and Centers for Disease Control websites:
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/27/politics/27ABOR.html

Pete

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16:14 30.12.2002 -0500 skrev Marie Ascher:
>>From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@NB.NO>
>>>Espen, why do you want to cook it at a low heat? I used Barbara Kafka's
>>high
>>>heat method on my tgiving bird, and it worked awesomely -- moist meat
>>>browned skin. 500 F baby! (260 C)
>>
>>Hmm. How long per pound or kilo?
>
>Here's the info:
>
>http://www.leitesculinaria.com/recipes/roast_turkey.html
>
>The only other thing I did was brine it overnight first.

Thank you! Of course it is too late for brining now, but I wonder if combining this with the Greek roasting might work: rubbing in lemon juice both outside and inside (before adding the stuffing).

A report may appear in this place tomorrow.

Espen

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>I took Ana and Vinnie to Columbia Bottoms, which
>is a wildlife area at the confluence of the Mississippi and
>Missouri Rivers.  When Karo I explored it this past spring,
>it was almost completely undeveloped.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Sounds like a nice outing.  Bald eagles are indeed impressive.   Have you
heard anything about how this year's German exchange student is doing in
her new home?


    --bonniev

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > Why did you have the coat in the first place to be ditched in the car?
>
> The car was cold - it'd been sitting in 20-degree weather overnight.

I hate driving in a coat.  I just endure the cold.  Have we discussed
ice-scraping lately?  I really am going to do something about some kind
of simple carport.  I am sick of ice-scraping.

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steph wrote:

> the corner.  Calls used to go regularly via the satellite, and
> this is cruddy sounding.  They always seem to be going via the

They still sometimes go via satellite in some places, meaning that
sometimes you get that annoying echo effect.  I had it in a conversation
with my uncle just last week.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I will bet cash money that the suit ripped around the cord and that
> Natalie is wrong that "the hung cord pulled the back of his pants off
> far enough for the ebola to have zoomed into the <butt> area."

I thought we had already established that -- that since the suits are
one piece, it couldn't have been a matter of pulling the pants back.
But it was indeed a matter of an opening that allowed the ebola to zoom
into the <butt> area.

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>Two sad stories forwarded in separate messages on another list:
>
>Husband arrested at Portland, Oregon airport for questioning security
>screener's examination of his pregnant wife's breasts:
>http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/monahan1.html

The scariest part of this story was the author's last statement.  I do fear
for our country when such hatred is expressed and handed down to the next
generation.


>Ideologically correct statements replace earlier health advice on National
>Cancer Institute and Centers for Disease Control websites:
>http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/27/politics/27ABOR.html
>Pete




    --bonniev

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At 11:01 PM 12/28/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>steph said:
> > = > marvelous.  I'll have a look later and see if there's a photo to
> > = > be scanned in.
> > =
> > = Thank you!
> >
> > Hmm.  I seem to have it at hand, already scanned!
> >
> > http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pics/bigbeer.jpg
>
>Are those Kwak glasses? I've seen those before. In fact, Emily used to
>frequent a bar in New Haven that serves beer in those.
>
>Karen

I owned one of those glasses. It was a half yard. The glass itself broke
during my last move so I threw the stand out. I never used it anyway.

There's a great place for beer in Boston, the Sunset Grill and Tap, they
serve beer in yards and half yards. They have 110+ beer on tap and 300+
different kinds of bottles. The food is also phenomenal.

lisa

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>One time we went in there and the place was packed and there were
>lots of people drinking out of long boot shaped glasses.  Then at
>least, you didn't need the funky holder.
>
>Ah, google is wonderful:
>http://www.ewetel.net/~helmut.eckholt1/stiefelhavoga.htm

I have a whole collection of Boot Mugs from The Sunset Grille and Tap. I
love my boot mugs!

lisa

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
>>Rita Chapman said:
>>
>>>You crack me *up*, man.  Thanks :).
>>>
>>Explain, please.
>>
>
> I think they're flirting again.
>

        I promise to throw myself at him should I ever visit Hawaii.



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        I am in desperate need of a winter coat.  I haven't had one
for two years.  I'm thinking of buying the Field Coat from
Land's End.  If I buy it from Amazon, I'll get another $25
to spend on books, which is tempting.  I've never seen the
Field Coat in person, though, and I'm not sure it is very
warm.  Not that it gets very cold around here, but I'd like
something that can keep me warm on a good long hike, but I
don't want to mess with down or anything of that nature
because that's overkill for Missouri.

Adam Hartfield wrote:

>>Why did you have the coat in the first place to be ditched in the car?
>>
>
> The car was cold - it'd been sitting in 20-degree weather overnight.
>
>
>>Wasn't it just as close from your apartment to your car as from your car
>>to the mall?
>>
>
> No, I was able to park much closer to my apartment.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com
>
>


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        I am in desperate need of a winter coat.  I haven't had one
for two years.  I'm thinking of buying the Field Coat from
Land's End.  If I buy it from Amazon, I'll get another $25
to spend on books, which is tempting.  I've never seen the
Field Coat in person, though, and I'm not sure it is very
warm.  Not that it gets very cold around here, but I'd like
something that can keep me warm on a good long hike, but I
don't want to mess with down or anything of that nature
because that's overkill for Missouri.

Adam Hartfield wrote:

>>Why did you have the coat in the first place to be ditched in the car?
>>
>
> The car was cold - it'd been sitting in 20-degree weather overnight.
>
>
>>Wasn't it just as close from your apartment to your car as from your car
>>to the mall?
>>
>
> No, I was able to park much closer to my apartment.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com
>
>


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At 08:42 AM 12/31/2002 -0600, rita wrote:
>        I am in desperate need of a winter coat.  I haven't had one
>for two years.  I'm thinking of buying the Field Coat from
>Land's End.  If I buy it from Amazon, I'll get another $25
>to spend on books, which is tempting.  I've never seen the
>Field Coat in person, though, and I'm not sure it is very
>warm.  Not that it gets very cold around here, but I'd like
>something that can keep me warm on a good long hike, but I
>don't want to mess with down or anything of that nature
>because that's overkill for Missouri.

I'm not familiar with the LE Field Coat, but it sounds like you might want
to look at "layered" coats, i.e., a wind-and-water resistant shell with a
removable light fleece liner.

cwv

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>        The first tin ceiling I remember noticing is at a restaurant
>in Youngstown.  Uncle Leo used to take us there all the time
>-- it was his favorite place, and was at the edge of a very
>dicey section of town (the "old neighborhood" where they all
>grew up).  It is painted a very nice shade of pale green.  I
>don't ever recall seeing a tin ceiling growing up in New
>England; maybe I just never looked up.


The first time I can recall noticing one was a couple of years ago at a
restaurant on Wooster Street in New Haven. I think I might have noticed it
because it wasn't painted.

Now I see them all the time, painted and not. I love them and any place
that has them. Even if the food/drink isn't that great I like the feel of
the place just because of the ceiling.

lisa

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>Not that it gets very cold around here, but I'd like
>something that can keep me warm on a good long hike, but I
>don't want to mess with down or anything of that nature
>because that's overkill for Missouri.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Thinsulate is the thing one wants rather than bulky down.  I wear a wool
coat with thinsulate lining when I'll be doing something inactive
outside.  But I've found one doesn't want anything very warm for hiking.  I
prefer a fleece pullover with a polyester and nylon shell over it to break
the wind.


    --bonniev

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At 07:37 AM 12/29/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>=
>= All I remember is Simon's, which is the bar we're going to next year,
>= and Kwak.
>
>The last time I was in Beligum with some wordslers, the guys at
>the next table were drinking a big Kwak, in a big Kwak glass.
>Now, 90% of drinking Kwak is the caché surrounding the glass, but
>these were the first of this type I'd seen, and they were
>marvelous.  I'll have a look later and see if there's a photo to
>be scanned in.

is this is, http://www.belgianbeers.co.uk/item389.htm ?

lisa

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steph said:
> =
> = Hey, Ligniere phoned me. I was shocked at how clear he sounded. I
> = mean, it was just like he was in the same room. Those transatlantic
> = phone calls are sumpthin' else.
> =
> = Karen
>
> Nana ask of my whereabouts almost every time I call her for just
> this reason.  She is sure I'm playing a trick and am just around
> the corner.

I can understand this, actually. I had to stop myself from asking
"Where are you?"

> The geek website over the cables is :
> http://cryptome.org/cable-eyeball.htm

Thanks.

Karen

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bonniev wrote:

>> I took Ana and Vinnie to Columbia Bottoms, which
>> is a wildlife area at the confluence of the Mississippi and
>> Missouri Rivers.  When Karo I explored it this past spring,
>> it was almost completely undeveloped.
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> Sounds like a nice outing.  Bald eagles are indeed impressive.   Have you
> heard anything about how this year's German exchange student is doing in
> her new home?
>


        Ana doesn't think anymore of the eagles than she does the
robins returning in the spring... they've become common this
time of year.  I think we lost our neighborhood owl to west
nile disease, though.

        Lisa is doing ok in her new home.  Toni still can't stand
her, but I guess the host sister is just like her (a
cheerleader), so the family thinks she is normal.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Two sad stories forwarded in separate messages on another list:
>
> Husband arrested at Portland, Oregon airport for questioning security
> screener's examination of his pregnant wife's breasts:
> http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/monahan1.html


        This guy is a moron.

        I had my tummy examined a couple of times while flying when I
was pregnant with Ana -- in 1995.

        I think it is really sad that this man is so hateful he's
going to project that experience on his son (who probably
would have been born c-section regardless -- crying while
pregnant doesn't make babies flip GOD KNOWS).




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Ann Borkin said:
>
>>On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Rita Chapman said:
>>>
>>>>You crack me *up*, man.  Thanks :).
>>>>
>>>Explain, please.
>>>
>>I think they're flirting again.
>>
>
> Oh.
>
> Hey, Ligniere phoned me. I was shocked at how clear he sounded. I
> mean, it was just like he was in the same room. Those transatlantic
> phone calls are sumpthin' else.


        Oh, yes, Karolin calls me from Germany about once a month and
we chat for about an hour -- those calls sound better than
when my neighbor across the street calls.  FWIW, when Tomoko
calls it sounds crystal clear, as well.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Rita Chapman said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Ann Borkin said:
> >
> >>On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Rita Chapman said:
> >>>
> >>>>You crack me *up*, man.  Thanks :).
> >>>>
> >>>Explain, please.
> >>>
> >>I think they're flirting again.
> >>
> >
> > Oh.
> >
> > Hey, Ligniere phoned me. I was shocked at how clear he sounded. I
> > mean, it was just like he was in the same room. Those transatlantic
> > phone calls are sumpthin' else.
>
>
>         Oh, yes, Karolin calls me from Germany about once a month and
> we chat for about an hour -- those calls sound better than
> when my neighbor across the street calls.  FWIW, when Tomoko
> calls it sounds crystal clear, as well.

Obviously, I am out of the loop.

Karen

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My zipper broke on the El, so there I was, trying to get my coat
apart. Luckily, it wasn't very cold. I am not looking forward to
replacing the zipper.

Karen

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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Marie Ascher
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>
>Unless the Eagles that showed up on Sunday appear again. An all-green
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>see. This year?
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>Marie
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With three people at work including my boss from Pittsburgh, I would love to
see a Steelers and Eagles matchup. I love the Eagles and I am Jets fan this
week.



alec

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Rita Chapman said:
> Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> > Two sad stories forwarded in separate messages on another list:
> >
> > Husband arrested at Portland, Oregon airport for questioning security
> > screener's examination of his pregnant wife's breasts:
> > http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/monahan1.html
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>
>         This guy is a moron.

I don't know. I got wanded this time, without having my carryons
searched, and I didn't understand the procedure. There were several
parts of the wanding, and I kept picking up my ticket because I
thought we were done, and the wander spoke very sharply to me. I could
see that if I were a more threatening person, they could have
responded more aggressively, and I could have been arrested.

Karen

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>I'm back - briefly - I go to Atlanta Thursday morning (LSA).
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Wow!


alec

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highest single word score, 41040 for vailed.

v - gold
a - green
i - plain
l - green
e - green
d - gold

lisa

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lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> highest single word score, 41040 for vailed.
>
What does vailed mean?

alyce

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> lisa alfieri wrote:
> >
> > highest single word score, 41040 for vailed.
> >
> What does vailed mean?

The Game seems to accept pretty much any combination of letters.
Actually, though, I'm pretty sure I've seen the word "vailed" -- in old
stuff, I think -- but I don't remember what it means (if I ever knew).

Speaking of The Game, I take back what I said about how it would never
end if you didn't hit the x.  I started playing it this morning and
burned up -- it didn't seem to like words like uuuiu. :-(  And speaking
of words, my status was deemed Lexographer (I was somewhere around
630,000 points, I think).  Is that a real word?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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lisa alfieri said:
> highest single word score, 41040 for vailed.

What does it mean?

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> of words, my status was deemed Lexographer (I was somewhere around
> 630,000 points, I think).  Is that a real word?

Hmm.  I just googled for 'lexographer' and found that it apparently the
same thing as a lexicographer.  Now I'll stry 'vailed'.  Ok -- it means
lowered something or doffed one's hat.

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At 11:34 AM 12/31/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
> >
> > highest single word score, 41040 for vailed.
> >
>What does vailed mean?
>
>alyce

I haven't a clue.. all I know is it meant 41,040 points for me!

lisa

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Natalie Maynor said:
> The Game seems to accept pretty much any combination of letters.

Not.

Karen

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On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 08:42:57AM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
=         I am in desperate need of a winter coat.  I haven't had one
= for two years.  I'm thinking of buying the Field Coat from
= Land's End.  If I buy it from Amazon, I'll get another $25
= to spend on books, which is tempting.  I've never seen the
= Field Coat in person, though, and I'm not sure it is very
= warm.  Not that it gets very cold around here, but I'd like

I have one of these.  It's not very warm.  It's about two years
old now, and I seem to wear it mostly in the fall.  When it gets
down to freezing it's not enough unless it's got enough layers
under it.  But then again, I don't wear it when I'm really
walking about, just mostly to the car for work in the fall and
spring.

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steph said:
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 08:42:57AM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> =         I am in desperate need of a winter coat.  I haven't had one
> = for two years.  I'm thinking of buying the Field Coat from
> = Land's End.  If I buy it from Amazon, I'll get another $25
> = to spend on books, which is tempting.  I've never seen the
> = Field Coat in person, though, and I'm not sure it is very
> = warm.  Not that it gets very cold around here, but I'd like
>
> I have one of these.  It's not very warm.  It's about two years
> old now, and I seem to wear it mostly in the fall.  When it gets
> down to freezing it's not enough unless it's got enough layers
> under it.  But then again, I don't wear it when I'm really
> walking about, just mostly to the car for work in the fall and
> spring.

Sorry, I just thought it was time to stop reading about my
virginity...

Karen

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On 31 Dec 2002 at 9:01, Rita Chapman wrote:

> I promise to throw myself at him should I ever visit Hawaii.

Eat your heart out, T-bone.


      mem

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > The Game seems to accept pretty much any combination of letters.
>
> Not.

That was intended as an exaggeration, as I'm sure most normal people
recognized.  But it really is amazing how many things The Game will
accept, as contrasted with Scrabble, for example.  Even playing it
rapidly and carelessly, it takes forever and a day to run out of plays.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 11:35 PM 12/29/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>It's probably been answered by now, but that's a peace lily. I have one in
>my living room; it doesn't bloom very much since it gets no direct sunlight.
>Other than that it's doing swell.
>
>--Adam

I have one too. It was given to me by and ex-girlfriend. It has far
outlasted the relationship. At one point I was tempted to let it die 'cause
I was so upset with her.

My experience is, it blooms every couple of years. When it does it's
beautiful. When it doesn't, it's hearty enough to withstand my forgetfulness.

lisa

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I can't remember whether we've discussed before the three large windows
in this room, with the pleasant view of the backyard and with the old
and barely working miniblinds that I need to replace.  I keep trying to
decide what to replace them with.  Wmart doesn't seem to have
old-fashioned fat blinds, just miniblinds.  And the whole blinds matter
gives me pause since I don't think I would succeed in hanging them.  I
remember buying some miniblinds for my previous house and finally giving
them to the Salvation Army because doing anything else with them was way
beyond my abilities.

What are some other possible solutions?  I know how to hang shades.
Have done that many times.  But the ones at Wmart are very ugly.  And I
would need something at the top -- valances or something.  (Probably
that would look better with the miniblinds also, of course.  I've
thought about putting up a long rod with fabric draped on it, like in my
den -- where it already was -- I didn't engineer it.)

The room is pretty private -- will get back to its very private state if
the pompass grass I planted to replace the rotten fence hurries up and
gets big.  But having the windows covered helps with utility bills.

Any suggestions?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Do you have heated seats? I love those.

No, my Taurus doesn't have those. I'd like a car with heated seats (and
heated mirrors) at some point. 4-wheel disc brakes, preferably with ABS, are
also on the wish list.

Y'all know I could talk about cars for hours; I'll shaddup now.

--Adam

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> No. How much is your normal electric bill?

Well, it varies. During the summer it's usually around $50, and that
includes sporadic use of air conditioning. It just rankles me that heating
such an eensy apartment can be so expensive.

Everything about this apartment is really starting to annoy me, so I've
taken the first step toward a future mortgage application, which is opening
a savings account. When I get back to work on Thursday I'm going to fill out
the form for a deduction from my pay which will go automatically into the
said account.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Adam Hartfield said:
> > Do you have heated seats? I love those.
>
> No, my Taurus doesn't have those. I'd like a car with heated seats (and
> heated mirrors) at some point. 4-wheel disc brakes, preferably with ABS, are
> also on the wish list.

I never heard of heated mirrors, but I could go for that. I hate that
feeling of looking in the side mirror and only seeing slop. The heated
seats are nice, though. They really help on the days I don't want to
wear a coat in the car.

> Y'all know I could talk about cars for hours; I'll shaddup now.

I can't, so I think we're done now.:)

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Any suggestions?

Pay someone to install blinds.

Karen

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Adam Hartfield said:
> Well, it varies. During the summer it's usually around $50, and that
> includes sporadic use of air conditioning. It just rankles me that heating
> such an eensy apartment can be so expensive.

Yes.

My house baseline is around $75, which seems high to me, but I can't
figure out how to cut it. I'm replacing all the (zillions of)
lightbulbs with compact fluorescents as they burn out.

> Everything about this apartment is really starting to annoy me, so I've
> taken the first step toward a future mortgage application, which is opening
> a savings account. When I get back to work on Thursday I'm going to fill out
> the form for a deduction from my pay which will go automatically into the
> said account.

YAY! You won't regret it.

I don't think I had a savings account when I bought my house. I
had money market accounts and a high-interest-bearing checking
account.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > The Game seems to accept pretty much any combination of letters.
> >
> > Not.
>
> That was intended as an exaggeration, as I'm sure most normal people
> recognized.

Ah.

> But it really is amazing how many things The Game will
> accept, as contrasted with Scrabble, for example.  Even playing it
> rapidly and carelessly, it takes forever and a day to run out of plays.

I still manage.

Karen

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>> highest single word score, 41040 for vailed.
>
>What does it mean?
>
>Karen

Anyone with a working internet connection and a working browser can go to
<http://www.m-w.com>.

I know IMFTATL, but there are some things that are just basic.

Ken Miller
Partridge School of Gentle Arts

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On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 07:20:03AM -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 31 Dec 2002 at 9:01, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> > I promise to throw myself at him should I ever visit Hawaii.
>
> Eat your heart out, T-bone.

Players forget by the next day

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I forgot to say that I read an article about unemployment benefits in
the newspaper yesterday that clarified things.

I was right that the recent expiration of benefits meant that people
who still had time left on the orginal 13 week extension had that
stop. But I also read that when extending that eligibility comes up
for debate in January that there are many, including Hillary, who want
to provide another 13 weeks of federal extension to unemployment
benefits. So that means that people who are becoming unemployed now
will have a full year of benefits available to them.

Karen

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On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 10:14:00AM -0800, Bookrat wrote:
> >> highest single word score, 41040 for vailed.
> >
> >What does it mean?
>
> Anyone with a working internet connection and a working browser can go to
> <http://www.m-w.com>.
>
> I know IMFTATL, but there are some things that are just basic.
>
> Ken Miller
> Partridge School of Gentle Arts

m-w.com has begun to suck--slow response and sometimes no response.

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Karen Kay wrote:

>Pay someone to install blinds.

I'll second that. There is an independent blinds company in Knoxville -
they custom fit blinds and install them. They have done my windows for
years.

Bethany

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Bookrat said:
> >> highest single word score, 41040 for vailed.
> >
> >What does it mean?
> >
> >Karen
>
> Anyone with a working internet connection and a working browser can go to
> <http://www.m-w.com>.
>
> I know IMFTATL, but there are some things that are just basic.
>
> Ken Miller
> Partridge School of Gentle Arts

That wasn't very gentle.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > rapidly and carelessly, it takes forever and a day to run out of plays.
>
> I still manage.

Me too.  I think I just mentioned about crashing and burning this
morning.  I'm sure it would happen more often if I tried playing it
longer instead of x'ing out.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Pay someone to install blinds.

Where does one find blind-installers?  What would you look for in the
yellow pages?

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Where does one find blind-installers?  What would you look for in the
>yellow pages?

Blinds, Vertical Blinds, Windows, Window Treatments, Window Blinds, etc.

Bethany

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>

>I was right that the recent expiration of benefits meant that people
>who still had time left on the orginal 13 week extension had that
>stop. But I also read that when extending that eligibility comes up
>for debate in January that there are many, including Hillary, who want
>to provide another 13 weeks of federal extension to unemployment
>benefits. So that means that people who are becoming unemployed now
>will have a full year of benefits available to them.

But how does it affect you? Will you get unemployment benefits
next year (if necessary)?

-rashmi

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Karen Kay wrote:

> steph said:
>
>>On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 08:42:57AM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>=         I am in desperate need of a winter coat.  I haven't had one
>>= for two years.  I'm thinking of buying the Field Coat from
>>= Land's End.  If I buy it from Amazon, I'll get another $25
>>= to spend on books, which is tempting.  I've never seen the
>>= Field Coat in person, though, and I'm not sure it is very
>>= warm.  Not that it gets very cold around here, but I'd like
>>
>>I have one of these.  It's not very warm.  It's about two years
>>old now, and I seem to wear it mostly in the fall.  When it gets
>>down to freezing it's not enough unless it's got enough layers
>>under it.  But then again, I don't wear it when I'm really
>>walking about, just mostly to the car for work in the fall and
>>spring.
>>
>
> Sorry, I just thought it was time to stop reading about my
> virginity...
>


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Adam:

>Well, it varies. During the summer it's usually around $50, and that
>includes sporadic use of air conditioning. It just rankles me that heating
>such an eensy apartment can be so expensive.

I'm still trying to get a fix on my utility costs. I hate overheating
and tend to keep my place on the cool side. It's the summer humidity
and a/c bills that usually kill me.

>Everything about this apartment is really starting to annoy me, so I've
>taken the first step toward a future mortgage application, which is opening
>a savings account.

:-) That's what propelled me to move - getting sick of my apartment.
I'm still thrilled at not having to use the laundromat and no more
scraping - garages r00l.

-rashmi



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Rita:

>        Oh, yes, Karolin calls me from Germany about once a month and
>we chat for about an hour -- those calls sound better than
>when my neighbor across the street calls.  FWIW, when Tomoko
>calls it sounds crystal clear, as well.

Calling India is still iffy. Sometimes I get a crystal clear
line, other times it sounds faint, far-off with the annoying
satellite pause. It's amazing that after all these years I still
don't have a good system for calling Bangalore. There are no
reliable phone-card vendors around here and I still get ripped
off every now and then. It's very annoying.

-rashmi


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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        I am in desperate need of a winter coat.  I haven't had one
> for two years.  I'm thinking of buying the Field Coat from

I'd go to the local thrift stores first.

Bethany

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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:14:09 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Then they came for...
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
>
>>Peter Kaminski wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Two sad stories forwarded in separate messages on another list:
>>>
>>>Husband arrested at Portland, Oregon airport for questioning security
>>>screener's examination of his pregnant wife's breasts:
>>>http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/monahan1.html
>>>
>>
>>        This guy is a moron.
>>
>
> I don't know. I got wanded this time, without having my carryons
> searched, and I didn't understand the procedure. There were several
> parts of the wanding, and I kept picking up my ticket because I
> thought we were done, and the wander spoke very sharply to me. I could
> see that if I were a more threatening person, they could have
> responded more aggressively, and I could have been arrested.


        Well, in the beginning of the article he goes on about how
cranky and smart-assed he was being with the security guys,
then at the end he claims all he did was sigh at them.  He
needs to make up his mind.  I think he was being a jerk from
the get-go and was probably mouthing off the entire time,
and when he got up in the guard's face and screamed at him,
it was the last straw.

        And I wonder about the wisdom or sensitivity (my wife was
crying and a normal person gets upset!) of telling the
entire world about your wife's swollen breasts after she's
just been traumatized so badly about having them touched by
a female security person that her baby flipped in her womb.




--
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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> At 08:42 AM 12/31/2002 -0600, rita wrote:
>
>>        I am in desperate need of a winter coat.  I haven't had one
>> for two years.  I'm thinking of buying the Field Coat from
>> Land's End.  If I buy it from Amazon, I'll get another $25
>> to spend on books, which is tempting.  I've never seen the
>> Field Coat in person, though, and I'm not sure it is very
>> warm.  Not that it gets very cold around here, but I'd like
>> something that can keep me warm on a good long hike, but I
>> don't want to mess with down or anything of that nature
>> because that's overkill for Missouri.
>
>
> I'm not familiar with the LE Field Coat, but it sounds like you might want
> to look at "layered" coats, i.e., a wind-and-water resistant shell with a
> removable light fleece liner.


        That version is a little bit more than I want to spend.



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On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 10:19:38AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Anyone with a working internet connection and a working browser can go to
> > <http://www.m-w.com>.
> >
> > I know IMFTATL, but there are some things that are just basic.
> >
> > Ken Miller
> > Partridge School of Gentle Arts
>
> That wasn't very gentle.

Ha ha, "gentle arts" are generally the most supercilious and
least gentle. GwTP

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On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 07:27:30PM +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Calling India is still iffy. Sometimes I get a crystal clear
> line, other times it sounds faint, far-off with the annoying
> satellite pause. It's amazing that after all these years I still
> don't have a good system for calling Bangalore. There are no
> reliable phone-card vendors around here and I still get ripped
> off every now and then. It's very annoying.

I realized a few years ago that it involved keeping a round-the-
clock vigil for "new deals", switching carriers at the right time,
etc etc and I gave up on it. Now that I go to e.g. a restaurant
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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>

>I realized a few years ago that it involved keeping a round-the-
>clock vigil for "new deals", switching carriers at the right time,
>etc etc and I gave up on it. Now that I go to e.g. a restaurant
>where they know me, I am going to try the cards they sell.

I was hoping to steal your system. I've never been able to keep
up with the latest deals either and had the same carrier for
years until I realized I was paying thro' the nose. For the
last 6-9 months I've been buying phone cards but they're not
readily available here and when I find them they're not very
reliable. I hate it. It shouldn't be so difficult to make a
stupid phone call.

Maybe Pete has a solution...

-rashmi


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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>       I am in desperate need of a winter coat.  I haven't had one
>>for two years.  I'm thinking of buying the Field Coat from
>>
>
> I'd go to the local thrift stores first.


        No way.



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On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 02:15:50PM -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >        I am in desperate need of a winter coat.  I haven't had one
> > for two years.  I'm thinking of buying the Field Coat from
>
> I'd go to the local thrift stores first.

I have a hooded jacket called ... let me see, "Dash Classics",
which I bought 8 or 9 years ago at Marshall's. I think the price
was $35, and Marshall's still has prices like this. This one
needs a bit of patching and a couple of buttons now, but it
has been great for all but the coldest days in Chicago. In
fact a lot of (shivering) people have told me that it looks
very warm--and, well, that's because they don't go to thrift
stores or Marshall's.

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On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 01:14:09PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >>>http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/monahan1.html
>
>      Well, in the beginning of the article he goes on about how
> cranky and smart-assed he was being with the security guys,
> then at the end he claims all he did was sigh at them.  He
> needs to make up his mind.  I think he was being a jerk from
> the get-go and was probably mouthing off the entire time,
> and when he got up in the guard's face and screamed at him,
> it was the last straw.

One thing doesn't add up--how did he and his wife both
get searched?

>    And I wonder about the wisdom or sensitivity (my wife
> was crying and a normal person gets upset!) of telling the
> entire world about your wife's swollen breasts after she's
> just been traumatized so badly about having them touched by
> a female security person that her baby flipped in her womb.

They are trying to live the life of a sitcom couple in
love.

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 >that there are many, including Hillary, who want
>to provide another 13 weeks of federal extension to unemployment
>benefits. So that means that people who are becoming unemployed now
>will have a full year of benefits available to them.
>Karen

Would that give you 13 more weeks?  Is Texas one of the states that is
getting more?  I read something about 40 of the 50 states not actually
having a very high unemployment rate.  Maine even did well in sales and
stuff this past year.  We avoided the recession in some regards.


    --bonniev

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>        And I wonder about the wisdom or sensitivity (my wife was
>crying and a normal person gets upset!) of telling the
>entire world about your wife's swollen breasts after she's
>just been traumatized so badly about having them touched by
>a female security person that her baby flipped in her womb.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

The baby flipped when she saw her husband taken off in handcuffs.  I think
there was probably fault on all sides.  But it's a sad case when he then
vows to hate the government for the rest of this life and to make sure his
offspring will also hate.


    --bonniev

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>last 6-9 months I've been buying phone cards but they're not
>readily available here and when I find them they're not very
>reliable. I hate it. It shouldn't be so difficult to make a
>stupid phone call.

Get a cell phone w/ld roaming. When I got my new one a few months ago, I
gave up ld sevice at home. I have not made a ld call from my home phone
since.

Bethany

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Rita Chapman wrote:

>> I'd go to the local thrift stores first.
>
>        No way.

Why in the world not? OUr local Junior League keeps ours well supplied.

Bethany

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>        That version is a little bit more than I want to spend.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

I say find any decent coat for a price you are willing to spend and then
pay attention to how you layer under it when you go out for a walk.

I wish I wasn't even tempted to join my friend April on her hike up
Cadillac for sunrise tomorrow morning.  It's going to be a sheet of ice
with winds howling at 10 to 20mph.  It will be a cold, dark three hour hike
up to the top.   But part of me still wants to do it.


    --bonniev

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>It's amazing that after all these years I still
>don't have a good system for calling Bangalore. There are no
>reliable phone-card vendors around here and I still get ripped
>off every now and then. It's very annoying.
>-rashmi

Did the Sam's Club card not work for that?   We will be going to Sam's next
Wednesday if you want another one.

    --bonniev

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>>I'd go to the local thrift stores first.
>
>        No way.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Why not?  I've seen some really nice clothes in second hand stores.


    --bonniev

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>I'd go to the local thrift stores first.
>>>
>>       No way.
>>
>
> Why in the world not? OUr local Junior League keeps ours well supplied.
>


        Because they were owned and worn and heaven knows what by a
stranger.  Eww.  Yuck.  My skin is crawling just thinking
about it.  I am extremely thankful that I am rich enough
that I don't have to do thrift shopping.  It <bothers> me.




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bonniev wrote:

>> Not that it gets very cold around here, but I'd like
>> something that can keep me warm on a good long hike, but I
>> don't want to mess with down or anything of that nature
>> because that's overkill for Missouri.
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> Thinsulate is the thing one wants rather than bulky down.  I wear a wool
> coat with thinsulate lining when I'll be doing something inactive
> outside.  But I've found one doesn't want anything very warm for hiking.  I
> prefer a fleece pullover with a polyester and nylon shell over it to break
> the wind.


        I got some genuine polartec for Christmas, and it is very
nice.  I like it better than thinsulate I think.  Yesterday,
Ana and I hiked in t-shirts, but you're right -- I generally
don't want anything too warm when I'm out walking unless the
wind is up.




--
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bonniev:

>>It's amazing that after all these years I still
>>don't have a good system for calling Bangalore. There are no
>>reliable phone-card vendors around here and I still get ripped
>>off every now and then. It's very annoying.
>>-rashmi
>
>Did the Sam's Club card not work for that?   We will be going to Sam's next
>Wednesday if you want another one.

The Sam's Club card worked (works) great for l-d calls within
the US. I use it all the time and love it. But it's expensive
to use the card to call India. You need a whole nother system.

Part of my problem is that I've lost contact with the expat
community. They usually know the best way to call the home country.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         Because they were owned and worn and heaven knows what by a
> stranger.  Eww.  Yuck.  My skin is crawling just thinking
> about it.

I share your distaste for wearing another's clothes. Otoh, I have given
some very nice things to thrift shops and I am a very nice person. And I
always launder or clean them first.

alyce

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>I wish I wasn't even tempted to join my friend April on her hike up
>Cadillac for sunrise tomorrow morning.  It's going to be a sheet of ice
>with winds howling at 10 to 20mph.  It will be a cold, dark three hour hike
>up to the top.   But part of me still wants to do it.

What time do you have to leave to make it up by sunrise?

Wish I could join you. Sounds great 'cepfer the getting up at
dawn bit.

-rashmi

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bonniev wrote:

>>        And I wonder about the wisdom or sensitivity (my wife was
>> crying and a normal person gets upset!) of telling the
>> entire world about your wife's swollen breasts after she's
>> just been traumatized so badly about having them touched by
>> a female security person that her baby flipped in her womb.
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> The baby flipped when she saw her husband taken off in handcuffs.  I think
> there was probably fault on all sides.  But it's a sad case when he then
> vows to hate the government for the rest of this life and to make sure his
> offspring will also hate.
>


        Yes, well, that's why we will always have war and why
children will always suffer and die because of it.




--
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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> One thing doesn't add up--how did he and his wife both
> get searched?

Well, Doug learned that if you look eccentric, you get searched.
Yesterday, on two different flights, he was the only one taken off
separately and made to take off his belt and shoes. Of course he has
this eccentric beard, eccentric pony tail, eccentric cap (I don't know
what it's called--it's from New Zealand, and it is not a beret--but it
is eccentric by US standards). And probably his Chicago Blackhawks
jacket is the red flag that makes him appear to be a terrorist.

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Someone wrote:

> > Anyone with a working internet connection and a working browser can go to
> > <http://www.m-w.com>.

Yes, but I am sick and don't have the strength.
So I will never know about vailed. Too bad.

alyce

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On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 03:27:13PM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >         Because they were owned and worn and heaven knows what by a
> > stranger.  Eww.  Yuck.  My skin is crawling just thinking
> > about it.
>
> I share your distaste for wearing another's clothes. Otoh, I have given
> some very nice things to thrift shops and I am a very nice person. And I
> always launder or clean them first.

I repeat the effort of thrift-store donors--I wash the clothes
before wearing them. Actually I am so fastidious I do it to
new clothes too ... I go "eww, yuck" when I imagine the people
who might have tried a jacket on.

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On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 08:19:27PM +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Part of my problem is that I've lost contact with the expat
> community. They usually know the best way to call the home country.

That's the reason I've "lost contact"--they are the type who
know things like the best deal on calling home.

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On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 03:32:14PM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > One thing doesn't add up--how did he and his wife both
> > get searched?
>
> Well, Doug learned that if you look eccentric, you get searched.
> Yesterday, on two different flights, he was the only one taken off
> separately and made to take off his belt and shoes. Of course he has
> this eccentric beard, eccentric pony tail, eccentric cap (I don't know
> what it's called--it's from New Zealand, and it is not a beret--but it
> is eccentric by US standards). And probably his Chicago Blackhawks
> jacket is the red flag that makes him appear to be a terrorist.

Looking eccentric is very suspicious indeed--I have always gotten
searched except in Chicago (where perhaps I look black enough). At
a recent meeting of the reconstituted FATASS society it turned out
that both other members (one half-japanese, the other with long
hair) had this experience (minutes of the drunk meeting available
at <http://www.samant.com/FATASS/020021221>). On the other hand
you will always see a few thoroughly absurd 10-gallon Texans and
their cameltoe wives in every airport, but let me know if you have
ever seen any searched. It's a great way to escape security, now
that I think of it ...

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >Where does one find blind-installers?  What would you look for in the
> >yellow pages?
>
> Blinds, Vertical Blinds, Windows, Window Treatments, Window Blinds, etc.

Thanks.  I found one place in Columbus under "Blinds" and two under
"Window Treatments."  (Not for a total of three.  One was a duplicate.)
The only thing under "Windows" was about buying windows, not about
<window treatments>.  Nothing under the other categories.  The next time
it fits into my life to go to Columbus, I might check the situation out.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        Because they were owned and worn and heaven knows what by a
>>stranger.  Eww.  Yuck.  My skin is crawling just thinking
>>about it.
>>
>
> I share your distaste for wearing another's clothes. Otoh, I have given
> some very nice things to thrift shops and I am a very nice person. And I
> always launder or clean them first.


        Yes, but you *never know*. FWIW, I will wear stuff given to
me by people I know -- my dad is always giving me
sweatshirts and stuff like that he's tired of.  But I barely
tolerate using plates and silverware in a restaurant --
someday I'll probably go weird about that, too.




--
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >Where does one find blind-installers?  What would you look for in the
> >yellow pages?
>
> Blinds, Vertical Blinds, Windows, Window Treatments, Window Blinds, etc.

PS:  They didn't say anything about installing, but I'm guessing that
sellers also are installers.  I bet there's a big surcharge for coming
to Starkville, though.

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Happy New Year everybody in here but I'm outa here

Two happy events of this last day of the year:

1.  Bonus will allow me to buy expensive glasses
2.  FINALLY a bus driver noticed and challenged my senior status!  "You
look pretty young"  he leered.  Well not leered but scrutinized.

Hoo hah
Ann

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
>>>Where does one find blind-installers?  What would you look for in the
>>>yellow pages?
>>>
>>Blinds, Vertical Blinds, Windows, Window Treatments, Window Blinds, etc.
>>
>
> Thanks.  I found one place in Columbus under "Blinds" and two under
> "Window Treatments."  (Not for a total of three.  One was a duplicate.)
> The only thing under "Windows" was about buying windows, not about
> <window treatments>.  Nothing under the other categories.  The next time
> it fits into my life to go to Columbus, I might check the situation out.


        I think Sears will do it for you.  Or they used to.
Specialty stores are harder to come by (there aren't any up
here north of the city, but there are plenty in the more
affluent suburbs).  If you have a Home Depot/Lowe's or
something of that nature near you, a lot of times they have
lists of contractors that do various things.  An interior
decorator would do it, also.


        My big picture windows really need drapes, but

I can't be bothered to deal with it.  I'm really tired and
unmotivated these days.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> I have a hooded jacket called ... let me see, "Dash Classics",
> which I bought 8 or 9 years ago at Marshall's. I think the price
> was $35, and Marshall's still has prices like this. This one
> needs a bit of patching and a couple of buttons now, but it
> has been great for all but the coldest days in Chicago. In
> fact a lot of (shivering) people have told me that it looks
> very warm--and, well, that's because they don't go to thrift
> stores or Marshall's.

My dept head still regularly wears the brown leather jacket he found in
a dumpster outside of the grocery store he was working in when in
graduate school at the U of Chicago.  He's been here for over
twenty-five years, so it has obviously lasted well.  It's the
bomber-jacket type -- is that the right term?

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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steph wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 08:42:57AM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> =         I am in desperate need of a winter coat.  I haven't had one
> = for two years.  I'm thinking of buying the Field Coat from
> = Land's End.  If I buy it from Amazon, I'll get another $25
> = to spend on books, which is tempting.  I've never seen the
> = Field Coat in person, though, and I'm not sure it is very
> = warm.  Not that it gets very cold around here, but I'd like
>
> I have one of these.  It's not very warm.  It's about two years
> old now, and I seem to wear it mostly in the fall.  When it gets
> down to freezing it's not enough unless it's got enough layers
> under it.  But then again, I don't wear it when I'm really
> walking about, just mostly to the car for work in the fall and
> spring.


        Is it a good coat for in the car?  I think the average temp
around here in winter is around 35 - 45, so freezing isn't
that much of an issue.  That's why I have been coatless for
two years -- it doesn't stay cold long enough to motivate me
to go out and buy one.






--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Because they were owned and worn and heaven knows what by a
> stranger.  Eww.  Yuck.  My skin is crawling just thinking
> about it.  I am extremely thankful that I am rich enough
> that I don't have to do thrift shopping.  It <bothers> me.

I don't mind at all doing thrift-shop shopping for some kinds of things,
but I prefer not to for clothes.  There's something about used clothes,
especially shoes, that turns me off big-time.  I'd rather buy new
clothes on sale at Walmart than <nicer> used clothes.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Well, Doug learned that if you look eccentric, you get searched.
> Yesterday, on two different flights, he was the only one taken off
> separately and made to take off his belt and shoes. Of course he has
> this eccentric beard, eccentric pony tail, eccentric cap (I don't know
> what it's called--it's from New Zealand, and it is not a beret--but it
> is eccentric by US standards). And probably his Chicago Blackhawks
> jacket is the red flag that makes him appear to be a terrorist.

I bet you miss him.  How is your health?  And what's the weather doing?

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>>I wish I wasn't even tempted to join my friend April on her hike up
>>Cadillac for sunrise tomorrow morning.  It's going to be a sheet of ice
>>with winds howling at 10 to 20mph.  It will be a cold, dark three hour hike
>>up to the top.   But part of me still wants to do it.
>
>What time do you have to leave to make it up by sunrise?
>
>Wish I could join you. Sounds great 'cepfer the getting up at
>dawn bit.       -rashmi

April and the guy she is going with plan to leave at 4:30 a.m.   I'm
welcome to join them if I change my mind about it being a dangerous and
exhausting thing to do.  If you got on the road right this minute you could
join us/them !


    --bonniev

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Happy NY to you also!

Have I mentioned that it is my year that's coming up -- though I guess
not until a bit later?  The Year of the Ram.

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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>         I am in desperate need of a winter coat.  I haven't had one
>>  for two years.  I'm thinking of buying the Field Coat from
>
>I'd go to the local thrift stores first.

<nod> I just bought Miles a leather motorcycle jacket in pristine
condition for $60 in a thrift store.

Janet

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>Tushar Samant wrote:
>
>>  I have a hooded jacket called ... let me see, "Dash Classics",
>>  which I bought 8 or 9 years ago at Marshall's. I think the price
>>  was $35, and Marshall's still has prices like this. This one
>>  needs a bit of patching and a couple of buttons now, but it
>>  has been great for all but the coldest days in Chicago. In
>>  fact a lot of (shivering) people have told me that it looks
>>  very warm--and, well, that's because they don't go to thrift
>>  stores or Marshall's.
>
>My dept head still regularly wears the brown leather jacket he found in
>a dumpster outside of the grocery store he was working in when in
>graduate school at the U of Chicago.  He's been here for over
>twenty-five years, so it has obviously lasted well.  It's the
>bomber-jacket type -- is that the right term?

When Cheryl and her then-husband Robin were rehabbing their
Victorian, they found a small niche that had been sealed off with a
pile of trash for heaven knows how long. When they cleared the stuff
away and reached (with some trepidation) inside, they found two
leather jackets, in nearly perfect condition, one in each of their
sizes. Cheryl still wears hers.

Janet

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I think Sears will do it for you.  Or they used to.

I hate doing business with Sears.  You look at the catalogue and choose
whatever at whatever price, then find that it's X amount more for it to
be shipped here from Memphis, then X amount more if they have to
deliver, then X amount more if they bring it inside your house, etc.
etc. etc.  (Not that I couldn't manage to pick up blinds, of course, but
I don't know about the installing.)

> Specialty stores are harder to come by (there aren't any up
> here north of the city, but there are plenty in the more
> affluent suburbs).  If you have a Home Depot/Lowe's or
> something of that nature near you, a lot of times they have
> lists of contractors that do various things.  An interior
> decorator would do it, also.

Somehow my house and my style make me not want to get involved with an
interior decorator.  I would feel that he or she would be offended at
slumming.  There's a Lowe's in Columbus, but I don't know that they
would know anything about Starkville installers.  I could inquire.

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>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>          Because they were owned and worn and heaven knows what by a
>>  stranger.  Eww.  Yuck.  My skin is crawling just thinking
>>  about it.  I am extremely thankful that I am rich enough
>>  that I don't have to do thrift shopping.  It <bothers> me.
>
>I don't mind at all doing thrift-shop shopping for some kinds of things,
>but I prefer not to for clothes.  There's something about used clothes,
>especially shoes, that turns me off big-time.  I'd rather buy new
>clothes on sale at Walmart than <nicer> used clothes.

My winter coat this year is a number I bought on Ebay year before
last for a New York trip -- gray wool lined with red wool, hooded,
very nice. At the time I bought it, it was too small, so I stuck it
in the back of the closet intending to give it to someone who might
like it. It turned up during the move and I found that it fits me
perfectly now. It's been a godsend during these storms.

Janet

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> alyce cresap wrote:
>
>
>>Well, Doug learned that if you look eccentric, you get searched.
>>Yesterday, on two different flights, he was the only one taken off
>>separately and made to take off his belt and shoes. Of course he has
>>this eccentric beard, eccentric pony tail, eccentric cap (I don't know
>>what it's called--it's from New Zealand, and it is not a beret--but it
>>is eccentric by US standards). And probably his Chicago Blackhawks
>>jacket is the red flag that makes him appear to be a terrorist.
>>
>
> I bet you miss him.  How is your health?  And what's the weather doing?


        He does sound strange looking.  But I've seen plenty of
<regular> looking people searched and stuff, too.  I'm
searched a lot, and I'm a <pillar of society> these days.  I
don't like all this security stuff much, but there's no
sense in being nasty to the poor slobs doing the searches.
That's not the proper venue.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        I think Sears will do it for you.  Or they used to.
>>
>
> I hate doing business with Sears.  You look at the catalogue and choose
> whatever at whatever price, then find that it's X amount more for it to
> be shipped here from Memphis, then X amount more if they have to
> deliver, then X amount more if they bring it inside your house, etc.
> etc. etc.  (Not that I couldn't manage to pick up blinds, of course, but
> I don't know about the installing.)


        I hate doing business with Sears, too, but it's the most
common store I can think of that might be near you.



>>Specialty stores are harder to come by (there aren't any up
>>here north of the city, but there are plenty in the more
>>affluent suburbs).  If you have a Home Depot/Lowe's or
>>something of that nature near you, a lot of times they have
>>lists of contractors that do various things.  An interior
>>decorator would do it, also.
>>
>
> Somehow my house and my style make me not want to get involved with an
> interior decorator.  I would feel that he or she would be offended at
> slumming.  There's a Lowe's in Columbus, but I don't know that they
> would know anything about Starkville installers.  I could inquire.


        My step-MIL tells me that she has used one for itty bitty
jobs that she just couldn't figure out, and her house isn't
very fancy.  I have a rich poet friend who had her whole
million dollar condo done by a decorator, too, so my guess
is they'll do a large spectrum of stuff.  If I ever do my
picture window drapes, I'll have decorator figure it out for
me.  I like looking at aesthetically pleasing things; I'm
just not talented in creating visual type things -- my brain
doesn't work that way.

        You might ask your lunch group if they know about anyone --
does MSU have a fine arts department?  I bet somebody there
might do stuff like that.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Because they were owned and worn and heaven knows what by a
>>stranger.  Eww.  Yuck.  My skin is crawling just thinking
>>about it.  I am extremely thankful that I am rich enough
>>that I don't have to do thrift shopping.  It <bothers> me.
>>
>
> I don't mind at all doing thrift-shop shopping for some kinds of things,
> but I prefer not to for clothes.  There's something about used clothes,
> especially shoes, that turns me off big-time.  I'd rather buy new
> clothes on sale at Walmart than <nicer> used clothes.



        I don't mind for things like furniture -- just nothing I'm
going to eat off or wear.





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Tushar Samant wrote:
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>
> Looking eccentric is very suspicious indeed--I have always gotten
> searched except in Chicago

One of Doug's searches was in Chicago, prior to his trip to Peoria.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
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> PS:  They didn't say anything about installing, but I'm guessing that
> sellers also are installers.  I bet there's a big surcharge for coming
> to Starkville, though.

Whatever they charge, it will beat doing it yourself. Blinds are very
tricky.

alyce

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On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:32:53 -0600, Amy Burns Short
<amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

>>Jack and Jorma are wonderful musicians.  I've seen Hot Tuna a couple of
>times over the past few years.
>
>>neal
>
>Ah. Then you've also likely seen my former classmate/longtime bud Byron
>House on bass.
>
>AS

Not likely.  Hot Tuna is a duo, Kaukonen and Casady.  Why would you need
(or want) another bassist when Jack's there?

Tell you the truth, I've never heard of Byron House.  Though I have
apparently unheedingly heard a little bit of his work -- of the 78 listings
under his name at B&N.com, I'd listened to exactly two (Will the Circle Be
Unbroken Vol.3, Philadelphia Folk Festival 40th Anniversary).

Interestingly, Amazon draws a blank on his name.  I thought maybe B&N
specialized in studio sidemen, but they list only five items for Hal
Blaine, three for Charlie McCoy, three for Al Kooper.  David Lindley
(everybody's session guitarist) gets only two, but some of his compatriots
in Jackson Browne's albums of the 70s come out with huge lists -- 232 for
Russ Kunkel, 289 for Leland Sklar, 143 for Wilton Felder.  Very, very
strange.

neal

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Rashmi Murthy writes,

>Maybe Pete has a solution...

Buy 'em online -- nowadays you get the numbers right away via email or over
the web.  I've used speedypin.com, and they've been reasonable for calls to
Europe; haven't tried India or Asia.

Another possible approach: I recently replaced our regular home phone line
with Vonage <http://www.vonage.com/>, a VOIP phone service that works over
a cable or DSL connection.  It doesn't involve a computer or weird
phone/headset on your end, just your regular phone.  Your home phone(s)
plug into a small box, which in turn plugs into your Internet
router/firewall, and everything works essentially the same as before (no
911 service, and 11-digit dialing even for local calls are the biggest
differences).

Usually people switch for the US pricing, which runs from $20 for 500
minutes local/long distance + $0.039/min after that, to $40 for unlimited
local/long distance.  (Remember this bill can replace both your long
distance and local phone company bills.)  But they've got great
international rates, too.

Their Banglore rate is only okay, $0.24/min, vs. a low of $0.17 via
speedypin (although Vonage wouldn't have any extra weekly or per-call fees).

I you sign up, make sure to get a referral from someone; it gets $40 off
the bill of both the referrer and referree.

Pete

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I bet you miss him.

You bet I do. Life is happier in his presence. He was such a help to me,
did myriad things to make my life easier--computer shortcuts and
cleanup, fixing the doorbell, carrying heavy birdseed so I am supplied
for a few weeks, gluing a broken drawer, cleaning the dehumidifier
filter, taking my laundry to the dryer in the basement (I can only dry
clothes if someone takes them down and up for me), put the storm windows
in the doors, so now I won't freeze when I let SPike out, and more. All
little things, but so important really. But beyond the fact that he does
things, he is delightful company and I love him.
Jeff may come at the end of January. That will be good too.
He also is good company and I love him as well. He will do tasks, too,
but different types.

> How is your health?

I finished the loathesome levaquil or whatever it is on Friday. Then
that afternoon and Saturday I started feeling better. Then SUnday
afternoon I started to get short of breath and yesterday morning I was
extremely breathing-challenged. I called the pulmonologist, but she is
off for the week, so I called my regular doctor who prescribed prednison
(which I never have had, although I have a steroid inhaler thingie). I
have taken that yesterday and today and am using my nebulizer. I seem to
go about three hours at a time with OK breathing, and then I get gaspy.
I am eating, eating, to provide fuel. Neighbor brought great thick
potato soup yesterday. So I plug along. I don't feel great, I am very
fatigued. So tired, in fact, that I fell asleep before the end of Monk
last night and it was the vacation episode that I had not seen. Now, are
you sorry you asked this question?

>  And what's the weather doing?

Nothing much. Sleet last night, I guess. But mild (50) today. Snow
predicted later in week.

P.S. FOrgive the lack of semicolons in the first paragraph. Too much
trouble.

alyce


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>        My step-MIL tells me that she has used one for itty bitty
>jobs that she just couldn't figure out,
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

What's a step-MIL ?   Would that be your husband's step-mother?   I guess
I'm one.


    --bonniev

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>         He does sound strange looking.

Actually, if I may say it, he (and Jeff, too) are rather handsome. The
pony tail and beard and cap suit him--and don't forget he is in the
theatre, so is entitled to eccentricities.

alyce

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>Whatever they charge, it will beat doing it yourself. Blinds are very
>tricky.      --alyce

I disagree.  The mini-blinds they sell at WalMart are no harder to install
than a shade would be.  You screw in a holder on each side of the window
and pop the blind into the holders.  Of course, it helps a lot to have
standard-sized windows, which we have.  I have six mini-blinds in my living
room.  I have pleated shades on eight other windows.  I installed all of
them myself.


    --bonniev

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
   I am in desperate need of a winter coat.  I haven't had one
> > = for two years.

I can't imagine getting a new coat after two years only. DO they wear
out? My "good" coat--camel's hair--is now 14 years old, and my LL Bean
winter jacket is 7 years old, and I don't expect either to run out of
steam very soon. They both look good as new. I just sent another "good"
coat--green wool--to the thrift shop last month because I figured I
never would wear it. I have had it since approx. 1965 or so. Classic
style, still perfectly new looking. I hope someone gets good wear from
it if she is not too picky to wear it.

alyce

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>Yes, but I am sick and don't have the strength.
>So I will never know about vailed. Too bad.
>alyce


v. Archaic vailed, vail·ing, vails
v. tr.
To lower (a banner, for example).
To doff (one's hat) as a token of respect or submission.

v. intr.
To descend; lower.
To doff one's hat.




    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Whatever they charge, it will beat doing it yourself. Blinds are very
> >tricky.      --alyce
>
> I disagree.  The mini-blinds they sell at WalMart are no harder to install
> than a shade would be.  You screw in a holder on each side of the window
> and pop the blind into the holders.  Of course, it helps a lot to have
> standard-sized windows, which we have.  I have six mini-blinds in my living
> room.  I have pleated shades on eight other windows.  I installed all of
> them myself.

You are a clever woman, Bonnie Mae.

alyce

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Yes, but I am sick and don't have the strength.
> >So I will never know about vailed. Too bad.
> >alyce
>
> v. Archaic vailed, vail·ing, vails
> v. tr.
> To lower (a banner, for example).
> To doff (one's hat) as a token of respect or submission.
>
> v. intr.
> To descend; lower.
> To doff one's hat.

Thanks, Bonnie. New to me. The only Vail I know is in Colorado, winter
home of the RRB&SIL.

alyce

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After an interesting and rather hectic day yesterday, topped off with
dinner at a new (for us) restuarant*** which has things like lamb and
artichoke stew (with feta and kalamata olives), beet, gorgonzola and walnut
salad, and baked cod, today has been very lethargic---partly due to the
cold rain that has been falling.  We never did get the snow/sleet/freezing
rain (aw, shucks) that some in the interior probably have enjoyed.

Lisa and Dan, out in Poulsbo, are going to a Sons of Norway New Year's
celebration, complete with, as Lisa explained it, "some kind of beef
dinner, drinks, and dancing."  Shades of Garrison Keilor.  I will be
interested to hear her reaction.

I'm cooking a fairly basic dinner centered around pork chops.  Bonnie is
still debating about trekking up Cadillac.  As for me, if I awake early
enough and the
sky looks clear, maybe I'll load the camera stuff and drive down the shore
road to see sunrise.  On the other hand, maybe I won't.  In any event, may
2003 be better.

cwv

***this restuarant, in Ellsworth, features tapas.  It should be possible,
in the bleak midwinter, to make a lunch of oil-cured olives, good bread,
and wine.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I hate doing business with Sears, too, but it's the most
> common store I can think of that might be near you.

We have a Sears, but it's mainly just a catalogue store.  They have a
few appliances sitting around, although I think they may be just demos.
The normal routine is to go up to the counter and study the catalogue
and submit an order and then wait for it to arrive from Memphis.

> picture window drapes, I'll have decorator figure it out for
> me.  I like looking at aesthetically pleasing things; I'm
> just not talented in creating visual type things -- my brain
> doesn't work that way.

I also like looking at aesthetically pleasing things, but what I find
aesthetically pleasing is not what I think of as
interior-decorator-created designs.  I realize that they, at least if
they're any good, are supposed to work with the tastes of the client, of
course.  Years ago when we moved into some new offices in my department,
a friend of mine hired an interior decorator to <do> hers.  Being sort
of Bonniemaeish in the sense of saying things some people wouldn't say
(which I don't necessarily consider negative, let me add), she told me
that she had shown the interior decorator my office and that she (the
interior decorator) had shaken her head.  I found that funny in many
ways, one of which being that I loved the way my office looked -- it was
much more pleasing to my eyes than was my colleague's office that was
arranged by the interior decorator.

>         You might ask your lunch group if they know about anyone --
> does MSU have a fine arts department?  I bet somebody there
> might do stuff like that.

I'm not sure whether our Art Dept is into that kind of thing.  I do
think there may be a major in interior decorating in another
department.  I have a very vague memory of knowing a student who was
majoring in it.  I can't imagine which dept if not Art, but I really
don't think it was Art.  Our Art Dept is into studio art (?? -- is that
a term -- painting/sculpturing) and computer graphic art.  Speaking of
our Art Dept, I've sometimes wondered whether some of the Bible Beltish
alums or others realize that people get paid by the Art Dept to pose
nude in front of classes.  For anybody with any knowledge of art, that
should be a no-brainer -- as in of course there are such classes with
models.  But I'm thinking of maybe Mr. Ag Major of '32 out running his
farm in Saltillo.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Whatever they charge, it will beat doing it yourself. Blinds are very
> tricky.

Yes.  I know I'm incapable of doing blinds myself.  I was trying to
decide whether to do <paid blinds> or something I could do myself.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> I you sign up, make sure to get a referral from someone; it gets $40 off
> the bill of both the referrer and referree.

Now that is what I call a very veiled and polite hint. ;-)

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alyce cresap wrote:
> Now, are
> you sorry you asked this question?

No.  I asked it because I wanted a real answer.  I'd rather the real
answer have been that suddenly everything was absolutely perfect and
that you were jogging up and down the basement stairs and moving
mountains.  But I would most definitely NOT want that answer if it was a
fake answer.  I wanted a true and detailed answer.

> >  And what's the weather doing?
>
> Nothing much. Sleet last night, I guess. But mild (50) today. Snow
> predicted later in week.

And suddenly in the midst of my reading about your weather, Thor has
arrived and is growling mightily.  That's bad wording, considering that
I once had a wonderful dog named Thor.  All I meant was that the rain is
pouring and the thunder crashing.

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On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 03:47:44PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>    He does sound strange looking.  But I've seen plenty of
> <regular> looking people searched and stuff, too.  I'm

Yes, all the time (mostly looking like tired accountants
off to a wedding...)

> searched a lot, and I'm a <pillar of society> these days.
> I don't like all this security stuff much, but there's no
> sense in being nasty to the poor slobs doing the searches.

All have been polite, friendly, and even sort of apologetic.

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On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 01:23:48PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Happy New Year everybody in here but I'm outa here
>
> Two happy events of this last day of the year:
>
> 1.  Bonus will allow me to buy expensive glasses
> 2.  FINALLY a bus driver noticed and challenged my senior status!  "You
> look pretty young"  he leered.  Well not leered but scrutinized.
>
> Hoo hah
> Ann

Ha ha ha ha, cool!

Those better be some DAMN expensive glasses, with a scanned
photograph as proof.

And if you want leering, just say the word ...

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Whatever they charge, it will beat doing it yourself. Blinds are very
> >tricky.      --alyce
>
> I disagree.  The mini-blinds they sell at WalMart are no harder to install
> than a shade would be.

Ha!  I have installed a zillion shades with perhaps minor cussing but
with success.  I never managed to install the Wmart mini-blinds I
bought.

>  You screw in a holder on each side of the window
> and pop the blind into the holders.  Of course, it helps a lot to have
> standard-sized windows, which we have.

Part of what makes installing shades easy is that the plastic rods are
segmented so that you break them off to accommodate the size of your
window, and you peel the shades to fit.

--
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alyce cresap wrote:
> > v. Archaic vailed, vail·ing, vails
> > v. tr.
> > To lower (a banner, for example).
> > To doff (one's hat) as a token of respect or submission.
> >
> > v. intr.
> > To descend; lower.
> > To doff one's hat.
>
> Thanks, Bonnie. New to me.

Chopped liver I am.

> The only Vail I know is in Colorado, winter
> home of the RRB&SIL.

That was the first hit when I googled for "vail."  It's only their
part-time home, btw.  Everybody needs a 6-million dollar <vacation
home>, n'est-ce pas.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

>   We never did get the snow/sleet/freezing
> rain (aw, shucks) that some in the interior probably have enjoyed.

My friend in WH said a few days ago that they had had power outages on
xmas and that another storm was expected for ny's.  Is that the storm
that didn't come?

>   In any event, may
> 2003 be better.

Let us hear it for The Year of the Ram!

> ***this restuarant, in Ellsworth, features tapas.  It should be possible,
> in the bleak midwinter, to make a lunch of oil-cured olives, good bread,
> and wine.

In the little bit of traveling I've done in Spain, except for when I was
visiting my uncle and had full-fledged, middle-of-the-night dinners, my
<dinner> was almost always tapas.

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I don't mind at all doing thrift-shop shopping for some kinds of things,
>but I prefer not to for clothes.  There's something about used clothes,
>especially shoes, that turns me off big-time.  I'd rather buy new
>clothes on sale at Walmart than <nicer> used clothes.

Never buy previously worn shoes. Almost all shows adapt to the contour of
the wearer immediately.

But clothes - hey, what do you think all those assembly line employees do
for fun while they are working???

Bethany

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Janet Hardy wrote:

>>I'd go to the local thrift stores first.
>
><nod> I just bought Miles a leather motorcycle jacket in pristine
>condition for $60 in a thrift store.

Cool. (I have purchased brand-new silk blouses in thrift stores - all tags
intact.)

Bethany

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> >   We never did get the snow/sleet/freezing
> > rain (aw, shucks) that some in the interior probably have enjoyed.
>
>My friend in WH said a few days ago that they had had power outages on
>xmas and that another storm was expected for ny's.  Is that the storm
>that didn't come?     -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Oh, the storm came.  They are cancelling New Year's Eve events in Bangor as
I type.  Ice and stuff.  But it is warm enough here on the coast that we
have had only rain.  Perhaps it was ice on the top of Cadillac,
however.  Don't know about Winter Harbor.


    --bonniev

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>    I am in desperate need of a winter coat.  I haven't had one
>
>>>= for two years.
>>>
>
> I can't imagine getting a new coat after two years only.


        Even if you haven't had one for two years?  I'm not replacing
an existing coat -- I have done without for two years.  I
try to get two years out of Ana's coats, but I tend to go
much longer.  She picked out a lime green Mudd brand one
this week.

DO they wear
> out? My "good" coat--camel's hair--is now 14 years old, and my LL Bean
> winter jacket is 7 years old, and I don't expect either to run out of
> steam very soon. They both look good as new. I just sent another "good"
> coat--green wool--to the thrift shop last month because I figured I
> never would wear it. I have had it since approx. 1965 or so. Classic
> style, still perfectly new looking. I hope someone gets good wear from
> it if she is not too picky to wear it.


        I had a wool coat that my mom bought me for Christmas about
10 or so years ago.  The buttons had come off and been
resown enough times that the fabric was worn out and the
buttons couldn't be repaired anymore.  I classified that as
worn out and got rid of it a couple years ago, but never
replaced it.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> Never buy previously worn shoes. Almost all shows adapt to the contour of
> the wearer immediately.

It would be unlikely that I would find used shoes even if I didn't mind
buying used shoes.  I'm very <picky> in my shoe-shopping.  Have I
mentioned that I'm not sure about the Haflingers I bought?  My previous
two pairs of Haflingers were exquisitely comfortable, the leather pair I
abandoned in Japan, which became balcony shoes later I was told, and the
fabric ones that didn't last as long.  But these latest leather ones I'm
not so sure about yet.  They don't feel as comfortable as my
Birkenstocks.

> But clothes - hey, what do you think all those assembly line employees do
> for fun while they are working???

Blow snot on them?  Jerk off on them?  Like Tushar, I wash most new
clothes before wearing them.  But not all.  I would of course first wash
anything that was going to be <intimate> with my body -- underwear,
socks, nightgowns, stuff like that.  Other clothes I sometimes don't.
Depends on my gut feeling.  Dry-clean-only things, which I don't like to
acquire but do have a few of, I go on and wear.  Also I go on and wear
certain washables.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Cool. (I have purchased brand-new silk blouses in thrift stores - all tags
> intact.)

So they leave tags intact?  I had wondered about that when giving some
of my mother's stuff to the Salvation Army back a long time ago -- when
it became clear that she was never again going to wear anything other
than nightgowns and bedjackets.  Some of the clothes in her closet were
expensive gifts from my RRB&SIL, with tags still on them (not price tags
-- tags indicating their newness).  I was thinking that it would be good
if such tags stayed on them, but I didn't inquire of the SA people.

--
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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:03:16 -0500, bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> wrote:
> >that there are many, including Hillary, who want
>>to provide another 13 weeks of federal extension to unemployment
>>benefits. So that means that people who are becoming unemployed now
>>will have a full year of benefits available to them.
>>Karen
>
>Would that give you 13 more weeks?

Yes.

>Is Texas one of the states that is
>getting more?

Huh? This is a federal extension. Nothing to do with states.

>I read something about 40 of the 50 states not actually
>having a very high unemployment rate.

Texas has a 6% unemployment rate, which I think is slightly better than the
national average.

Karen

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bonniev wrote:

> Oh, the storm came.  They are cancelling New Year's Eve events in Bangor as

I am so very happy not to be going to a <New Year's Eve event>.  This is
not unusual for me.  It's been a good while since I went to a NY's Eve
party.  But I am especially happy tonight as I sit here listening to the
pelting rain.  It's not that I am on the don't-invite list, btw.  There
really isn't much NY's Eve partying among people I know in Starkville.
Never has been, although I have been to a couple of such parties.  Lots
of people are out of town at this time of year (as I have been on many
NY's Eves, especially in relatively recent years when my mother and I
would talk about whether we'd be able to stay awake until 11:00 to watch
Times Square on tv, which we usually didn't).

I do have some good NY's Eve memories, though, from way, way back.  I
had a great NY's Eve party in about the tenth grade.  My friend Amanda
spent the night, and I still remember her looking out the window the
next morning and saying that my parents were out there cleaning up the
fireworks debris from the street.  One especially great memory is the
year I got back to Melbourne (FL) on Dec. 31, after spending the
holidays in Jackson, and went to a wonderful party at somebody's house,
where the police kept knocking on the door to tell us to hold it down.
I remember that we watched the clock after midnight and called various
people as it hit midnight farther west, ending with Charlie, our friend
who had moved to Mountain View, California, to make titty-pink
lightbulbs.  That was 3 a.m. for us.  Ah youth.  I also have a great
memory of a NY's Eve in London.  I think that must have been the
welcoming of '79.  Somewhere I have a picture that would document it.
And I remember one strange NY's Eve in Starkville when four of us
discovered we were all back in town and decided to get together at my
house that night (two houses ago), where we got drunk and played
Canasta, of all the weird things, and then went wandering out into the
town and ended up eating blackeyed peas a little after midnight in an
apartment not far from where I later lived.

Why am I writing this stuff??  It just started popping out.  I know you
are all just fascinated beyond word by my exciting life.  I just
remembered the dancing-with-the-broom-in-front-of-the-fireplace NY's
Eve.  Won't go into that one now.

--
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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:14:17 -0500, bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> wrote:
>>>I'd go to the local thrift stores first.
>>
>>        No way.
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>Why not?  I've seen some really nice clothes in second hand stores.

I've bought clothes in 2nd hand stores--but no coats. Nothing with pockets...

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Pay someone to install blinds.
>
> Where does one find blind-installers?  What would you look for in the
> yellow pages?

What I would look for is probably not what you would look for, since I
live in a city. I'd ask my lunch crowd what they would look for, if I
had one. This must be a fairly common occurrence among house owners in
Starkville.

Karen

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:22:15 -0600, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
>PS:  They didn't say anything about installing, but I'm guessing that
>sellers also are installers.  I bet there's a big surcharge for coming
>to Starkville, though.

Isn't there a Lowe's in Columbus? You might try there, too.

Karen

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:23:21 -0500, alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> wrote:
ny and I love him as well. He will do tasks, too,
>I finished the loathesome levaquil or whatever it is on Friday. Then
>that afternoon and Saturday I started feeling better. Then SUnday
>afternoon I started to get short of breath and yesterday morning I was
>extremely breathing-challenged. I called the pulmonologist, but she is
>off for the week, so I called my regular doctor who prescribed prednison
>(which I never have had, although I have a steroid inhaler thingie).

Jeeze, you're getting all the good drugs.:( I hate Levaquin more than
prednisone, but prednisone used to top my list of horrible drugs.

>I am eating, eating, to provide fuel.

Prednisone makes me very hungry--it also makes some people retain fluid. So
you should definitely gain weight.

Karen

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:31:19 -0500, alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> wrote:
>I can't imagine getting a new coat after two years only. DO they wear
>out?

Yes. They rip, or fray, or the material changes in an unpleasant way.

Karen

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:35:00 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander <cwv@PANAX.COM> wrote:
>***this restuarant, in Ellsworth, features tapas.  It should be possible,
>in the bleak midwinter, to make a lunch of oil-cured olives, good bread,
>and wine.

You and Ligniere!

Karen

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> >Is Texas one of the states that isgetting more?
>
>Huh? This is a federal extension. Nothing to do with states.
>Karen

The article that I read said it varied from state to state even though it
was in fact a federal program.  It mentioned "those states" that were
especially hit hard by the recession without actually naming which states.


    --bonniev

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> >I can't imagine getting a new coat after two years only. DO they wear
> >out?
>
>Yes. They rip, or fray, or the material changes in an unpleasant way.
>Karen

Or moths munch on them.


    --bonniev

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In a message dated 12/31/2002 3:26:13 PM Central Standard Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<
        I think Sears will do it for you.  Or they used to.
>>

Not any more; at least, not through the stores.  The stores
got out of the window-treatment business months ago.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Cool. (I have purchased brand-new silk blouses in thrift stores - all tags
>> intact.)
>
>So they leave tags intact?  I had wondered about that when giving some

At least one of ours does.

Bethany

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At 07:38 PM 12/31/2002 -0500, karen wrote:
>On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:35:00 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander <cwv@PANAX.COM>
>wrote:
> >***this restuarant, in Ellsworth, features tapas.  It should be possible,
> >in the bleak midwinter, to make a lunch of oil-cured olives, good bread,
> >and wine.
>
>You and Ligniere!

Perhaps someday I will meet him over a plate of olives.  I'm not at all
sure why I seem to be attracted to the Mediterranean way of life and
cooking.  Certainly, my genetic and cultural background (as far as I know)
of Anglo-Saxon-Norman, i.e, Great Britain, would not suggest that.  Then
again, most of us probably have roots in the Mediterranean---either north
or south shore---and I'm simply a deeper throwback.

cwv

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:07:55 -0600, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
>I am so very happy not to be going to a <New Year's Eve event>.  This is
>not unusual for me.  It's been a good while since I went to a NY's Eve
>party.

Me, too. I'm very picky about who I'm willing to spend that much time with.
There's one party I wish I could be at tonight, but I can't afford the plane
trip.

Karen

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At 07:58 PM 12/31/2002 -0500, karen wrote:
>On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:07:55 -0600, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
> >I am so very happy not to be going to a <New Year's Eve event>.  This is
> >not unusual for me.  It's been a good while since I went to a NY's Eve
> >party.
>
>Me, too. I'm very picky about who I'm willing to spend that much time with.
>There's one party I wish I could be at tonight, but I can't afford the plane
>trip.

Over the many, many New Year's Eves that I have experienced---whether more
or less privately or in some sort of organized party---I can't identify any
one or a group as being especially memorable.  Perhaps I don't comprehend
the significance of the event.

cwv

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>On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>I don't mind at all doing thrift-shop shopping for some kinds of things,
>>but I prefer not to for clothes.  There's something about used clothes,
>>especially shoes, that turns me off big-time.  I'd rather buy new
>>clothes on sale at Walmart than <nicer> used clothes.
>
>Never buy previously worn shoes. Almost all shows adapt to the contour of
>the wearer immediately.

My second-best pair of cowboy boots were bought used from eBay. I
don't think the previous owner wore them much, though.

Janet

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>bonniev wrote:
>
>>  Oh, the storm came.  They are cancelling New Year's Eve events in Bangor as
>
>I am so very happy not to be going to a <New Year's Eve event>.  This is
>not unusual for me.  It's been a good while since I went to a NY's Eve
>party.  But I am especially happy tonight as I sit here listening to the
>pelting rain.  It's not that I am on the don't-invite list, btw.  There
>really isn't much NY's Eve partying among people I know in Starkville.

Hey, you could have come here. The elevator even started working
again, just in the nick of time.

Janet

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:41:48 -0500, bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> wrote:
>> >Is Texas one of the states that isgetting more?
>>
>>Huh? This is a federal extension. Nothing to do with states.
>>Karen
>
>The article that I read said it varied from state to state even though it
>was in fact a federal program.  It mentioned "those states" that were
>especially hit hard by the recession without actually naming which states.

Ah.

I read up on this briefly. A friend in CA got a 2nd extension--but that's
because her benefits ran out during the two months that CA's unemployment
rate was in the top, uh, 2% or 4% of the US. Her husband wasn't eligible for
that extension. She's the only person I know who benefited. Hillary's
proposed 2nd extension would be more general.

I touched base with Daphene today, and she told me that indeed she knows
nothing, and she called them and no one is there, so evidently they lied
when they said they'd be in the office. Sigh.

Karen

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:41:48 -0500, bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> wrote:
>The article that I read said it varied from state to state even though it
>was in fact a federal program.  It mentioned "those states" that were
>especially hit hard by the recession without actually naming which states.

Let me clarify further:

There's the 26 weeks that everyone gets.

Then, Bush passed a 13 week extension that anyone could get if they had
exhausted their 26 weeks.

Then, if you exhausted the 26 weeks *AND* the 13 weeks, and if you lived in
a state that had a high unemployment rate, you could POSSIBLY get a 2nd
extension. That eligibility is determined first by the state's unemployment
rate, then by your own personal eligibility.

So if my friend is still unemployed next year when the new extension passes,
she would have had 26 weeks + 13 weeks + 13 weeks state-based extension + 13
weeks Hillary's extension.

That's 39+26=65 weeks of unemployment.

This is depressing.

Karen

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bonniev wrote:

>>        My step-MIL tells me that she has used one for itty bitty
>> jobs that she just couldn't figure out,
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> What's a step-MIL ?   Would that be your husband's step-mother?   I guess
> I'm one.


        Yes.




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alyce cresap wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>
>>        He does sound strange looking.
>>
>
> Actually, if I may say it, he (and Jeff, too) are rather handsome. The
> pony tail and beard and cap suit him--and don't forget he is in the
> theatre, so is entitled to eccentricities.


        Of course :).



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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:50:13 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander <cwv@PANAX.COM> wrote:
>Perhaps someday I will meet him over a plate of olives.

Maybe...

>I'm not at all
>sure why I seem to be attracted to the Mediterranean way of life and
>cooking.  Certainly, my genetic and cultural background (as far as I know)
>of Anglo-Saxon-Norman, i.e, Great Britain, would not suggest that.  Then
>again, most of us probably have roots in the Mediterranean---either north
>or south shore---and I'm simply a deeper throwback.

It's not his native culture, nor mine, but we seem to be very happy eating
in that space.

I don't remember if I told this story, and maybe this is mean, I don't know.
But I'd talked to my sister about fresh mozzarella and tomato 'salad'. I
made this a lot during the summer with tomatoes and greens from my garden
and Costco marinated fresh mozzarella. She had eaten this for the first time
in Germany, at the home of her former exchange student, and absolutely loved
it. Fast forward to my recent visit. She showed me a recipe for
tomato-basil-mozzarella salad. I said something like "Well, you don't really
need a recipe, you just buy enough tomatoes for the mozzarella you want to
eat", and she said that she's not good at estimating. Uh, okay. I mean, it's
not like no one is going to eat the leftovers!

Now, I would say (and this may be the mean part) that my sister is not a
cook, though she provides her family with 3 (quite good) meals/day.

Karen

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At 08:21 PM 12/31/2002 -0500, karen wrote:

>I don't remember if I told this story, and maybe this is mean, I don't know.
>But I'd talked to my sister about fresh mozzarella and tomato 'salad'.

Well, anybody who needs a recipe for what amounts to a salad "alla Cabreze"
probably isn't a 'natural' cook; however, some slight application of
charity, Christian or otherwise, might be in order...

cwv

Fresh mozzarella, basil, tomatoes---the colors of the Italian national flag

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:30:29 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander <cwv@PANAX.COM> wrote:
>Well, anybody who needs a recipe for what amounts to a salad "alla Cabreze"

Thank you; I knew there was a name.

>probably isn't a 'natural' cook; however, some slight application of
>charity, Christian or otherwise, might be in order...

Well, I didn't intend my comment to be mean. And I totally give her credit
for knowing what she needs. If I'd known that, I would have provided her
with one. (She doesn't look for recipes on the Internet, either.)

>Fresh mozzarella, basil, tomatoes---the colors of the Italian national flag

Coincidence or plan?:)

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>
> Chopped liver I am.

I am so sorry. I am not doing mail in an organized and proper way, but
scooting through, going back, picking up, laying it down. I get
confused.

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Prednisone makes me very hungry--it also makes some people retain fluid. So
> you should definitely gain weight.

I need to gain weight. But I have the prednisone for 9 days only, two of
which are gone. It has not yet made me hungry. I am eating because I am
forcing myself to do it. Still I have trouble getting down more than
1000 calories, no matter what I do. Here's today:
Cream cheese/2 slices white bread for breakfast-160 cal. I nnormally
don't eat solid breakfast but have to have food in stomach to take
prednisone. Normally I have:
Ensure Plus --350 cal.

Lunch:
Meals on Wheels--spaghetti and some sort of chicken in tomato sauce
--estimate 300 cal.

Dinner:
2 hot dogs, one in bun with pat of butter -- 300 calories
chocolate bar in process --200-300 depending

This is the most calories I have had in a single day, though, in many
days, and I am truly stuffed.

alyce

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> (with feta and kalamata olives),

I heard on the news yesterday that Greece has won a suit (worldwide)
that entitles only Greeks to label cheese as feta. Everyone else has to
say goat cheese on theirs.

alyce

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 21:21:11 -0500, alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> wrote:
>I heard on the news yesterday that Greece has won a suit (worldwide)
>that entitles only Greeks to label cheese as feta. Everyone else has to
>say goat cheese on theirs.

Or chevre, I guess. Dang, I love French feta.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Isn't there a Lowe's in Columbus? You might try there, too.

Yes, I plan to.  Too bad my RRB&SIL lost that gift card they were going
to give me for xmas.  I'm guessing that it might have been for Lowe's,
although I'm not positive of that.

And this reminds me:  I got a xmas present today!  My niece, who
sometimes gives xmas presents and sometimes doesn't, sent me the Tom
Brokaw autobiography.  Although I'm not sure when I'm going to get
around to reading it since I have a huge backlog, I am appreciative of
the fact that it's a book I might want to read.  She has given me some
pretty weird books in the past.  I also like the inscription.  It's to
both Mama and me, obviously written early -- she didn't get around to
mailing it until later.  It says "To Grandma and Natalie."

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:31:19 -0500, alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> wrote:
> >I can't imagine getting a new coat after two years only. DO they wear
> >out?
>
> Yes. They rip, or fray, or the material changes in an unpleasant way.

Maybe it's because I avoid wearing coats, but I can't imagine a coat's
ripping or fraying or having unpleasant material changes in two years --
or even ten years.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Me, too. I'm very picky about who I'm willing to spend that much time with.

I find this somehow fascinating.

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Tushar Samant said:
> And if you want leering, just say the word ...

Is this offer open to anyone?

Karen

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> Over the many, many New Year's Eves that I have experienced---whether more
> or less privately or in some sort of organized party---I can't identify any
> one or a group as being especially memorable.  Perhaps I don't comprehend
> the significance of the event.

I don't know that I find the event of the New Year all that significant,
but I find it easy to remember lots of NY's Eves because it's an easy
time to remember somehow.  I could have gone on and on with my
already-too-long mail about NY's Eves of times past.  I have vivid
memories of many NY's Eves.  I think the first midnight that I have a
clear memory of was from when I was about eight and I made my parents
promise to wake me up at midnight.  They did, and I went out on the
front porch and threw a firecracker.  But I was very sleepy.

I guess I must see some significance to a New Year since I can't imagine
not eating black-eyed peas.  One year when I was driving the 16-hr drive
back to Florida on NY's Day I remember stopping at a convenience store
and buying a bag of dried black-eyed peas and eating one of them in my
car.  (It doesn't take 16 hrs to drive from Jackson to Florida.  Just to
where in Florida I was living, back in the days before I-10.)

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Janet Hardy wrote:

> Hey, you could have come here. The elevator even started working
> again, just in the nick of time.

I want to come to one of your xmas day parties.  Or do you sometimes
have NY's day parties?  Then again, I can sometimes surprise myself and
stay up super late.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:31:19 -0500, alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> wrote:
> > >I can't imagine getting a new coat after two years only. DO they wear
> > >out?
> >
> > Yes. They rip, or fray, or the material changes in an unpleasant way.
>
> Maybe it's because I avoid wearing coats, but I can't imagine a coat's
> ripping or fraying or having unpleasant material changes in two years --
> or even ten years.

I think it's because you don't wear coats enough. In the Frozen North
you live in your winter coat for maybe 6 months of the year. I bought
a jacket in CA to wear to Oregon, and it's lasted, uh.... maybe 8 or 9
years. It's way too big for me now and it's starting to fray and get
dirty so it can't get clean. (I wear it much more here than I did in
CA.) So I'll probably buy another one next year or the year after.

Karen

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Rashmi Murthy said:
> It's the summer humidity
> and a/c bills that usually kill me.

There are things you can do. I can't believe what a difference
cleaning my outside A/C unit made. I also have solar screens, lots of
insulation....

> I'm still thrilled at not having to use the laundromat and no more
> scraping - garages r00l.

Unless you have a boat blocking access.:(

I bet that less than 30% of homeowners in Austin have access to their
garages, though. Either they've been turned into another room, or they
are filled with junk.

Karen

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Bethany K. Dumas said:
> On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >        I am in desperate need of a winter coat.  I haven't had one
> > for two years.  I'm thinking of buying the Field Coat from
>
> I'd go to the local thrift stores first.

I wouldn't stick my hands in those pockets. Ick!

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Me, too. I'm very picky about who I'm willing to spend that much time with.
>
> I find this somehow fascinating.

Why?

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Now, I would say (and this may be the mean part) that my sister is not a
> cook, though she provides her family with 3 (quite good) meals/day.

I'm confused about what you think may be "mean" here.  Am I correct in
assuming that she does not cook the meals she provides her family?  If
she still manages to provide three good meals a day, why is it <mean> to
say that she doesn't cook them?  Not everybody shares your fetish for
cooking.
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
>>Isn't there a Lowe's in Columbus? You might try there, too.
>>
>
> Yes, I plan to.  Too bad my RRB&SIL lost that gift card they were going
> to give me for xmas.  I'm guessing that it might have been for Lowe's,
> although I'm not positive of that.
>
> And this reminds me:  I got a xmas present today!  My niece, who
> sometimes gives xmas presents and sometimes doesn't, sent me the Tom
> Brokaw autobiography.  Although I'm not sure when I'm going to get
> around to reading it since I have a huge backlog, I am appreciative of
> the fact that it's a book I might want to read.  She has given me some
> pretty weird books in the past.  I also like the inscription.  It's to
> both Mama and me, obviously written early -- she didn't get around to
> mailing it until later.  It says "To Grandma and Natalie."


        I think it is exceedingly hard to buy books for other people
-- harder than buying clothes.  There is hope for her.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Well, I didn't intend my comment to be mean. And I totally give her credit
> for knowing what she needs. If I'd known that, I would have provided her
> with one. (She doesn't look for recipes on the Internet, either.)

I find this hilarious.  I gather now that you didn't mean that she
didn't cook for her family, but only that she wasn't quite up to your
standards of culinary expertise.  What strikes me as funny is that you
somehow think that people who are obsessed with food and cooking are
somehow <better> than people who aren't -- i.e., that it is <mean> to
suggest that somebody isn't.  Not everybody has the same interests in
life.  I'm a National Waterski Association "Expert" -- a la a badge and
all that.  But I don't think that it would be <mean> for me to say that
somebody else isn't.  Somebody else might not want to be.

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alyce cresap wrote:
> > Chopped liver I am.
>
> I am so sorry. I am not doing mail in an organized and proper way, but
> scooting through, going back, picking up, laying it down. I get
> confused.

You are forgiven!

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Karen Kay wrote:


> Now, I would say (and this may be the mean part) that my sister is not a
> cook, though she provides her family with 3 (quite good) meals/day.


        Nobody would ever call me a cook, and I don't think it is
mean.  I don't improvise, but I do modify recipes a lot.




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>This is the most calories I have had in a single day, though, in many
>days, and I am truly stuffed.
>alyce

It seems like eating a large amount of food at one sitting is what is
difficult for you.   You might think about becoming a nibbler.   If you ate
a handful of nuts every hour in between meals, that would add lots of
calories without giving you the stuffed feeling.


    --bonniev

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>
>>I don't mind at all doing thrift-shop shopping for some kinds of things,
>>but I prefer not to for clothes.  There's something about used clothes,
>>especially shoes, that turns me off big-time.  I'd rather buy new
>>clothes on sale at Walmart than <nicer> used clothes.
>>
>
> Never buy previously worn shoes. Almost all shows adapt to the contour of
> the wearer immediately.
>
> But clothes - hey, what do you think all those assembly line employees do
> for fun while they are working???


        Have you ever done factory work, Bethany?


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Rashmi Murthy said:
> Maybe Pete has a solution...

I use USADatanet for calls I know that are going to be long. (It's 10
cents/minute, max of $1.49/call.) For shorter calls, I use BigZoo,
which is 2.9 cents/minute. I think they handle international calls as
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Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > > Me, too. I'm very picky about who I'm willing to spend that much time with.
> >
> > I find this somehow fascinating.
>
> Why?

I've never thought about who I'm willing to spend time with.  I guess
I'm not picky in that respect.  That thought might arise if I found
myself in a situation of spending time with really obnoxious people or
druggies when I'm not one or some other odd situation, but I've never
encountered those situations.  Also, I'm not sure what "that much time"
means.  I thought we were talking about parties, not moving in with
somebody full time.

--
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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        Have you ever done factory work, Bethany?

No - not yet, anyway - but I live across the street from the only garment
factory in Knoxville.

But I have worked in packing houses in N. California - do they count?

Bethany

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Janet Hardy said:
> >bonniev wrote:
> >>  Oh, the storm came.  They are cancelling New Year's Eve events in Bangor as
> >
> >I am so very happy not to be going to a <New Year's Eve event>.  This is
> >not unusual for me.  It's been a good while since I went to a NY's Eve
> >party.  But I am especially happy tonight as I sit here listening to the
> >pelting rain.  It's not that I am on the don't-invite list, btw.  There
> >really isn't much NY's Eve partying among people I know in Starkville.
>
> Hey, you could have come here. The elevator even started working
> again, just in the nick of time.

Oops, make that two parties I would have liked to go to...

Karen

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alyce cresap wrote:

> forcing myself to do it. Still I have trouble getting down more than
> 1000 calories, no matter what I do. Here's today:

Can you force some between-meal snacks in?  Supposedly (as in <they>
say) it's better  to eat six small meals a day instead of three larger
ones.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> I also like looking at aesthetically pleasing things, but what I find
> aesthetically pleasing is not what I think of as
> interior-decorator-created designs.  I realize that they, at least if
> they're any good, are supposed to work with the tastes of the client, of
> course.


        Well, I'd want one because I have no idea what would go well
in the front room.  The colors are green and a nice burgundy
red, but I think if I did drapes in either of those it would
be overpowering -- and drapes come in so many different
styles, that a decorator might know something that would
look subtle enough for my tastes -- I don't like a lot or
ornamentation (ruffles, poofs, etc.).


Years ago when we moved into some new offices in my department,
> a friend of mine hired an interior decorator to <do> hers.  Being sort
> of Bonniemaeish in the sense of saying things some people wouldn't say
> (which I don't necessarily consider negative, let me add), she told me
> that she had shown the interior decorator my office and that she (the
> interior decorator) had shaken her head.  I found that funny in many
> ways, one of which being that I loved the way my office looked -- it was
> much more pleasing to my eyes than was my colleague's office that was
> arranged by the interior decorator.


        When I worked at that last law firm, an interior decorator
was in the midst of arranging the office, including my work
space.  I thought it was all sort of hideous except for the
nice built-in cherry bookcases in the owner's office (he
filled them with decorator books -- classics in uniform
leather binding -- they weren't meant to be touched, but I
often snatched something to read during lunch -- after all,
I was the only one in the office who could read the volumes
that were in Greek -- good heavens that man was
pretentious).  The decorator stuck fake greenery on top of
my desk.  It was good for hiding stuff, but it looked awful.



>>        You might ask your lunch group if they know about anyone --
>>does MSU have a fine arts department?  I bet somebody there
>>might do stuff like that.
>>
>
> I'm not sure whether our Art Dept is into that kind of thing.  I do
> think there may be a major in interior decorating in another
> department.  I have a very vague memory of knowing a student who was
> majoring in it.  I can't imagine which dept if not Art, but I really
> don't think it was Art.  Our Art Dept is into studio art (?? -- is that
> a term -- painting/sculpturing) and computer graphic art.  Speaking of
> our Art Dept, I've sometimes wondered whether some of the Bible Beltish
> alums or others realize that people get paid by the Art Dept to pose
> nude in front of classes.  For anybody with any knowledge of art, that
> should be a no-brainer -- as in of course there are such classes with
> models.  But I'm thinking of maybe Mr. Ag Major of '32 out running his
> farm in Saltillo.


        I've always been surprised by what art majors can do -- in
Ohio we knew a guy who taught computer graphics who was
fantastic with woodwork -- he did a stunning job on his
house (he also did matting/framing for extra cash -- he did
some framing for us in exchange for some junk we gave him
for a big sculpture he was working on).  Usually you find
out about that sort of thing by word of mouth.  I guess if
you have an artistic eye and skilled hands, you can do lots
of things, not just painting or sculpture.


        When Ana took pottery last year at the Community College,

the hallway in the art building was lined with charcoal
nudes of lots of interesting bodies.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Tushar Samant said:
> One thing doesn't add up--how did he and his wife both
> get searched?

I do find this the weirdest things.

Karen

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Rashmi Murthy said:
> From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>
> >I was right that the recent expiration of benefits meant that people
> >who still had time left on the orginal 13 week extension had that
> >stop. But I also read that when extending that eligibility comes up
> >for debate in January that there are many, including Hillary, who want
> >to provide another 13 weeks of federal extension to unemployment
> >benefits. So that means that people who are becoming unemployed now
> >will have a full year of benefits available to them.
>
> But how does it affect you? Will you get unemployment benefits
> next year (if necessary)?

If they provide another 13 week extension, I'm there.

I hope it's not necessary, but I'm clean out of pyschic abilities.

Karen

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Daphene just called--no news about that job, and we can't tell how
they are going to jump.:(

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
>         Well, in the beginning of the article he goes on about how
> cranky and smart-assed he was being with the security guys,
> then at the end he claims all he did was sigh at them.  He
> needs to make up his mind.  I think he was being a jerk from
> the get-go and was probably mouthing off the entire time,
> and when he got up in the guard's face and screamed at him,
> it was the last straw.

All I'm saying is that it's amazingly easy to be perceived this way. I
was perceived as being uncooperative because I didn't understand how
the wanding was to be done. If I had a crying, pregnant wife with me,
I could easily understand screaming at them after my own confusing
wanding. Really.

>         And I wonder about the wisdom or sensitivity (my wife was
> crying and a normal person gets upset!) of telling the
> entire world about your wife's swollen breasts after she's
> just been traumatized so badly about having them touched by
> a female security person that her baby flipped in her womb.

To be fair, it's not clear to me that he was blaming the baby flipping
on the touching of her breasts, but on his arrest and subsequent legal
stuff.

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > steph said:
> >
> >>On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 08:42:57AM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >>=         I am in desperate need of a winter coat.  I haven't had one
> >>= for two years.  I'm thinking of buying the Field Coat from
> >>= Land's End.  If I buy it from Amazon, I'll get another $25
> >>= to spend on books, which is tempting.  I've never seen the
> >>= Field Coat in person, though, and I'm not sure it is very
> >>= warm.  Not that it gets very cold around here, but I'd like
> >>
> >>I have one of these.  It's not very warm.  It's about two years
> >>old now, and I seem to wear it mostly in the fall.  When it gets
> >>down to freezing it's not enough unless it's got enough layers
> >>under it.  But then again, I don't wear it when I'm really
> >>walking about, just mostly to the car for work in the fall and
> >>spring.
> >>
> >
> > Sorry, I just thought it was time to stop reading about my
> > virginity...
> >
>
>
>         That's what you get for posting drunk.

Huh? I wasn't drunk at that point. I was just filled with goodwill.

Tushar has made my list of "people I want near me if I'm stranded on a
desert island", especially if that desert island is a large city. If
you know what I mean.

Karen

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>       Have you ever done factory work, Bethany?
>>
>
> No - not yet, anyway - but I live across the street from the only garment
> factory in Knoxville.
>
> But I have worked in packing houses in N. California - do they count?


        Did you have a lot of time to defile the merchandise?  I'm
just curious.  I've never really had a job where there was a
lot of time for screwing around like that.  Maybe
occasionally, but not on a regular basis.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Rita Chapman said:
>         I don't mind for things like furniture -- just nothing I'm
> going to eat off or wear.

I think I care somewhat about previously owned silverware, but not
dishes.

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
>         Nobody would ever call me a cook, and I don't think it is
> mean.  I don't improvise, but I do modify recipes a lot.

She said she has trouble estimating--this seems to be a <theme> for
her, and one that I didn't explore further. She said she has cheat
sheets in the ambulance for this reason.

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> nice built-in cherry bookcases in the owner's office (he
> filled them with decorator books -- classics in uniform
> leather binding -- they weren't meant to be touched, but I
> often snatched something to read during lunch -- after all,

I was noticing something in the funeral home last week that I really
liked.  There were bookcases with beautiful old and real books -- as in
they were clearly used (by whom I don't know).  Nothing fakey-looking
about them.  This funeral home is <Old Jackson>.  There are zillions of
other funeral homes in Jackson now, but Old Jackson people would never
consider using any of them.  Gosh, that sounds snobby.  Maybe it is.  It
wasn't really meant that way.  But then why is <old> snobby?  It isn't
really.  It's more about tradition, going back a long way, things like
that.  The bishop who did the service said that it was the first time in
a long time he had done one in "this old part" of the cemetery -- that
he didn't know that there were any spaces left in the old part.  But
yes.  Mine is there also, although I plan for it to be ashes only.

I'm sitting here pondering my attitudes toward Old Jackson in relation
to my scorn of things like the DAR and Colonial Dames, both of which I'm
eligible for but both of which I find silly.  My attitude has always
been who cares whether your ancesters were here at X time.  So why did I
like the thought that my parents (and grandparents and
great-grandparents) are in the old part of Cedar Lawn?  I'll have to
ponder this.
--
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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > Me, too. I'm very picky about who I'm willing to spend that much time with.
> > >
> > > I find this somehow fascinating.
> >
> > Why?
>
> I've never thought about who I'm willing to spend time with.  I guess
> I'm not picky in that respect.

Maybe you have been lucky. Although, in small towns, you're sort of
stuck with who is there.

My feeling is that there are a lot of boring people in the world and a
lot of interesting ones, and I'd much rather spend my time with the
interesting ones.

> encountered those situations.  Also, I'm not sure what "that much time"
> means.  I thought we were talking about parties, not moving in with
> somebody full time.

No, but you can't exactly leave a New Year's Eve party early...

Karen

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bonniev wrote:

> a handful of nuts every hour in between meals, that would add lots of
> calories without giving you the stuffed feeling.

Yes.  If nuts aren't appealing, something else.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I think I care somewhat about previously owned silverware, but not
> dishes.

Interesting.  I would think the opposite, though I don't have any real
objection to either.  I guess the difference is that matching/adding old
silver seems more <normal> somehow -- like you discover at an auction or
flea market or wherever some inexpensive additions in your silver
pattern.  I guess that happens with china also, of course.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Now, I would say (and this may be the mean part) that my sister is not a
> > cook, though she provides her family with 3 (quite good) meals/day.
>
> I'm confused about what you think may be "mean" here.

It may be mean to say of someone 'she's not a cook'. You seem to think
it's snide. I don't mean it in a mean or snide way.

> Am I correct in
> assuming that she does not cook the meals she provides her family?

No.

> Not everybody shares your fetish for cooking.

I thought we did this before? I do not have a fetish for cooking. I
like good food, and the most affordable way to get that is to make it
myself. When I start working, baby, watch out!!!

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Well, I didn't intend my comment to be mean. And I totally give her credit
> > for knowing what she needs. If I'd known that, I would have provided her
> > with one. (She doesn't look for recipes on the Internet, either.)
>
> I find this hilarious.  I gather now that you didn't mean that she
> didn't cook for her family, but only that she wasn't quite up to your
> standards of culinary expertise.

Not at all. You have such weird ideas about me, Natalie! It's not a
matter of expertise, but I suppose of confidence. Or of understanding
food and how it <works> together. I don't have very much expertise in
many ways. (Or I wouldn't be sporting a new scar.)

> What strikes me as funny is that you
> somehow think that people who are obsessed with food and cooking are
> somehow <better> than people who aren't

Again, you are projecting. Or perhaps making this up out of whole
cloth. I don't know, but I find it extremely unpleasant.

> -- i.e., that it is <mean> to
> suggest that somebody isn't.

I didn't say that it was mean. I said that I didn't intend my comment
to be mean.

> Not everybody has the same interests in
> life.  I'm a National Waterski Association "Expert" -- a la a badge and
> all that.  But I don't think that it would be <mean> for me to say that
> somebody else isn't.  Somebody else might not want to be.

I don't understand this, but please don't bother explaining.

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
>         I think it is exceedingly hard to buy books for other people
> -- harder than buying clothes.

Yep.

Karen

